The Glenn Beck Program - 'Contradictions and Chaos'

00:00:00.000 The Blaze Radio Network, on demand, Glenn Beck.

00:00:13.020 This was the sound last night about 3 a.m. Eastern Time.

00:00:17.500 That is the sound of hostages being released.

00:00:22.640 I think the award for the most busy and important job in the world today goes to Mike Pompeo.

00:00:28.260 He has been the Secretary of State for 14 days.

00:00:33.300 And yet he's manning the post of America's top diplomat at a time when war is very real, a very real possibility in multiple places.

00:00:42.260 In Asia, he has already traveled to North Korea not once, but twice.

00:00:46.940 And nobody even knew about it.

00:00:49.060 If my math is correct, let's see.

00:00:53.900 That's two more times than anybody from the previous two administrations.

00:00:58.600 Traveled over there.

00:00:59.900 In more than 16 years.

00:01:03.080 Now the fruits of these labors in the last year or two with President Trump have been huge.

00:01:09.780 President Trump may be the first U.S. sitting president to sit down with a North Korean leader.

00:01:16.300 Is that good?

00:01:17.040 Is that bad?

00:01:17.760 We don't know.

00:01:18.420 So far, it has been good.

00:01:22.540 Pompeo returned from North Korea just last night.

00:01:25.040 At this time, he arrived with three American citizens that have been held captive for years in a North Korean labor camp.

00:01:32.820 The last time the United States negotiated the release of U.S. captives, it involved the Obama administration, Iran, and a bribe of over $400 million in cash.

00:01:43.500 Newsflash to the dictators of the world.

00:01:45.940 We don't do business that way anymore.

00:01:47.740 Now back to Pompeo for a second.

00:01:52.660 While the potential conflict in Asia seems to be going well, there's a second conflict.

00:01:58.020 This one in the Middle East.

00:01:59.980 It's beginning to heat up.

00:02:01.660 Last night was an example of it.

00:02:04.840 As Pompeo was arriving in the United States last night, Iran was doing something they've never done before.

00:02:11.200 Listen.

00:02:21.480 You're listening to the sound of Iranian rockets taking off from Syria on their way to northern Israel.

00:02:27.980 Last night, the Iranian Quds Force launched their first attack ever on Israel from inside Syria.

00:02:36.220 The Iron Dome surface-to-air defense system was very busy, engaging up to 20 missiles at a time.

00:02:42.820 The IDF has been anticipating this attack and immediately launched a counterattack.

00:02:48.020 There was an all-out strike on every Iranian Quds Force location inside of Syria.

00:02:53.920 Up to 50 Iranian targets were struck.

00:02:58.500 This is not the end of this conflict.

00:03:01.100 You can bank on the fact that this is merely the opening salvo from both sides.

00:03:06.220 The next war in the Middle East will be Israel and Iran.

00:03:11.660 The question is, did it officially begin last night?

00:03:16.580 So, to Mike Pompeo, probably the busiest and most important man in the world right now, good luck.

00:03:26.140 We're praying for your success.

00:03:28.480 And no pressure anything, but the fate of the world may rest in your hands.

00:03:36.220 You know, is there any truth anymore?

00:03:53.360 Do we even recognize that there is truth?

00:03:56.520 I mean, there's a lot of truth that we can argue about.

00:04:01.460 You know, is there a God?

00:04:02.860 Well, I believe there is, but it is my belief.

00:04:06.280 You can't prove it.

00:04:07.100 Is there not a God?

00:04:08.120 You can't prove it.

00:04:11.680 Well, we're, you know, we're living in a multiverse.

00:04:15.220 No, maybe not.

00:04:17.180 Prove it.

00:04:18.540 You can't.

00:04:19.240 So, there's some things that we can argue about, but we can never prove.

00:04:22.680 And we all have to stop pretending that we know the answer.

00:04:25.980 Because we don't.

00:04:27.080 We know the answer that we're comfortable with.

00:04:29.500 But there are some things that the truth matters.

00:04:38.560 And we are now living in a postmodern world that teaches us there is no truth.

00:04:44.540 There is no truth.

00:04:45.840 It's your truth.

00:04:47.200 You know, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

00:04:50.700 Well, I think Israel, Israel was wrong in this.

00:04:57.360 Well, no, we can take the facts of a situation.

00:05:03.240 And we can look at where is the poison coming from?

00:05:11.800 But nobody's going to give you an objective truth on that.

00:05:14.780 There's no right or wrong anymore.

00:05:16.460 In Ireland, they are now trying to ban abortions.

00:05:24.520 And so, what happens?

00:05:26.200 Well, YouTube has decided to ban all pro-life videos for this leading up to this vote in Ireland.

00:05:35.660 So, if you have a pro-choice point of view, it's too dangerous.

00:05:39.980 It's too dangerous.

00:05:41.160 It's not right.

00:05:42.940 It's against their policies now.

00:05:47.740 I'm sure they'll solve this until, you know, once the election is over.

00:05:51.560 In the meantime, on YouTube, there is a new channel that is showing parents talking to their children about gender.

00:06:01.920 Listen.

00:06:02.080 So, if a person with a wiener says, hey, I'm a girl, what is that person?

00:06:11.400 A girl.

00:06:13.040 A boy.

00:06:13.880 A female.

00:06:17.860 Behold, gender identity.

00:06:20.980 When you went to kindergarten, you went by she, her.

00:06:24.220 Yeah.

00:06:24.560 And you wore dresses.

00:06:25.920 And some people said...

00:06:27.880 They wanted me to be a different gender.

00:06:30.160 They didn't want you to be a girl.

00:06:31.540 I don't know.

00:06:33.000 People were being mean.

00:06:35.280 Now I'm dating.

00:06:36.460 Now you're a they-them.

00:06:37.900 People should call you your actual gender.

00:06:41.000 They-them, she-her, he-him, or none.

00:06:44.760 Myself, I identify as trans non-binary.

00:06:48.720 So, the surgery that I'm going to have, all of this is going to be gone.

00:06:55.400 How do you feel about that?

00:07:00.400 Still, I still have mixed feelings about that.

00:07:02.980 Still mixed feelings.

00:07:03.460 How many genders are there?

00:07:05.620 Infinity?

00:07:07.680 What?

00:07:08.020 Is this confusing?

00:07:10.420 Yes.

00:07:11.460 Very.

00:07:12.340 Mm-hmm.

00:07:13.620 Now there's infinity genders.

00:07:16.020 Infinity.

00:07:21.160 There's only, there's only your truth.

00:07:23.900 There is no truth.

00:07:25.020 X and Y chromosome.

00:07:26.080 Remember, a Chinese dress on a white girl in high school?

00:07:34.360 Or an Indian character on a cartoon show?

00:07:37.180 Or a Vietnamese sandwich at a college cafeteria?

00:07:40.600 A sombrero?

00:07:41.540 A headdress?

00:07:42.200 A kimono?

00:07:42.820 A poncho?

00:07:43.480 My culture is not your prom dress.

00:07:48.300 Does anybody notice that this is all becoming a laughingstock?

00:07:51.520 This is all?

00:07:52.120 This is going to be remembered in history as the moment the world went insane.

00:08:00.800 The hunt began with trace amounts of legitimacy, with outrage at understandably offensive things.

00:08:08.720 But then it just kind of spiraled into an ever-growing list of offensives.

00:08:13.480 So numerous were these offenses, and so minor that they had to create a term for them.

00:08:20.160 They called them micro-aggressions.

00:08:23.740 And now the entire world is a micro-aggression.

00:08:26.360 Doesn't matter.

00:08:27.200 You get up in the morning, you are performing a micro-aggression on somebody.

00:08:32.660 The Atlantic has just published a 1900-word examination of the concept of cultural appropriation,

00:08:40.120 which lies at the heart of all of these identity politics and the PC culture.

00:08:44.980 In other words, it is the ultimate micro-aggression.

00:08:49.580 One startling revelation, the Chinese dress that the woman wore as her prom dress,

00:08:55.760 in what has become a firestorm of political correctness,

00:08:59.220 that dress, in fact, was co-opted from European culture.

00:09:03.660 Yes, it was culturally appropriated.

00:09:09.800 The article is titled Every Culture Appropriates,

00:09:13.920 and it examines many examples of the so-called cultural appropriation throughout history.

00:09:19.320 The conclusion is potent.

00:09:21.660 Quoting,

00:09:22.020 The policemen of cultural appropriation don't think that way.

00:09:27.440 They have a morality tale to tell.

00:09:29.820 One Western victimization of non-Western peoples,

00:09:33.700 a victimization so extreme that it is triggered by a Westerns girl purchase of a Chinese dress

00:09:39.160 designed precisely so that Chinese girls could live more like Western girls.

00:09:45.880 But in order to tell the story,

00:09:48.660 the policemen of cultural appropriation must crush and deform much of the truth of cultural history,

00:09:54.340 and in the process, demean and make baby talk,

00:10:02.100 and make babies out of the people they supposedly champion.

00:10:09.080 Amid the cries of appropriation,

00:10:11.820 there is an utter brilliance at play.

00:10:15.880 At least there was.

00:10:18.740 By accusing people of using power to intimidate less powerful people,

00:10:23.660 they become empowered.

00:10:24.840 That is the idea, right?

00:10:26.960 And that's brilliant.

00:10:29.140 However,

00:10:30.140 it's beginning now to outfox the rule makers

00:10:33.260 because the web of violations and aggressions and offensives have grown so thick

00:10:38.840 and so many find that it has assumed the very people who contrived it in the first place,

00:10:44.740 the people who came up with it,

00:10:46.440 the people who were teaching it are now starting to fall into their own trap.

00:10:51.040 The culture police who have devoted their entire lives to exposing the injustices

00:10:56.720 have themselves become the insensitive and ignorant bullies that they supposedly pursued.

00:11:03.020 The behavior incredibly sharp and massively intelligent.

00:11:16.880 Their world, of course, finds its basis in theories.

00:11:21.880 A life of abstractions.

00:11:23.180 There is no black and white.

00:11:25.060 This is a revolution.

00:11:26.180 It's combative.

00:11:29.100 It's oozing with rancor.

00:11:34.160 And now those are the followers

00:11:36.000 who have just followed the lead of professors

00:11:39.860 who most often, especially in the humanities,

00:11:42.480 sell all of these ideas as facts.

00:11:45.820 But there are no facts.

00:11:48.100 What we have learned is there's tremendous power in accusations of racism and privilege.

00:11:53.140 And with these accusations, they become powerful.

00:11:57.780 And what makes the approach so effective,

00:12:00.520 so immune to any other argument,

00:12:04.220 is the philosophical basis of postmodernism, relativism.

00:12:10.200 When it's all fused together,

00:12:14.040 you have nothing but a group of ideas that disagree with themselves.

00:12:20.340 And if you argue those ideas that are in conflict with one another,

00:12:26.300 you would be laughed away if it wasn't for the foundational premise

00:12:30.740 that there is no objective truth, only your truth.

00:12:35.360 Saul Alinsky, he wrote on the subject of relativism,

00:12:41.820 he said,

00:12:43.120 I'm not concerned if this faith in people is regarded as a prime truth

00:12:46.980 and therefore a contradiction of what I've already written.

00:12:49.720 For life is a story of contradictions.

00:12:52.840 Yes, it is.

00:12:53.620 It is a story of contradictions, Mr. Alinsky.

00:12:56.100 But the world doesn't live in chaos,

00:13:01.900 and the world doesn't like chaos,

00:13:03.720 and people can't live in chaos.

00:13:06.800 Contradictions do exist, no doubt.

00:13:09.700 But they're like tangled wires.

00:13:13.500 And at some point, nothing works,

00:13:16.000 and you have to track that wire all the way back

00:13:18.460 to find out if it's even plugged in.

00:13:20.320 If you can untangle the wires,

00:13:24.620 people will untangle them

00:13:27.020 because it will make life easier,

00:13:32.200 safer, more understandable.

00:13:36.800 The left doesn't see it.

00:13:41.140 They have become the authority,

00:13:43.420 the power structure,

00:13:44.700 the bullies.

00:13:45.540 They've taken control.

00:13:47.560 To them, their voices deserve to be the loudest,

00:13:50.200 and no one with opinions contrary to theirs

00:13:52.500 deserves to be speaking at all.

00:13:56.800 Except there is a new politics that is forming.

00:14:00.860 The intellectual dark web.

00:14:03.660 The mass exodus of people from the left.

00:14:07.060 People who have always considered themselves liberal

00:14:09.380 but can no longer suffer through the hysteria of the left.

00:14:15.040 With their NPR tote bags all caked in soot

00:14:18.440 and their ball caps, you know,

00:14:20.460 logoed with the New Yorker.

00:14:22.900 They feel homeless and they feel bereft.

00:14:28.780 These expats need a place to go.

00:14:30.960 Well, give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses,

00:14:37.600 yearning to breathe free.

00:14:39.800 Yearning to breathe free.

00:14:43.840 Invite them in.

00:14:46.580 Their faces hang dark and disbelieving,

00:14:50.140 slack and expressionless.

00:14:51.960 Come in.

00:14:55.060 Come in.

00:14:57.560 Grab a seat.

00:15:00.940 You've got to be exhausted.

00:15:13.240 Let's...

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00:15:20.680 That's according to a new report.

00:15:22.340 A million children.

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00:15:29.660 Children are the most likely

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00:15:34.240 So a family friend comes in,

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00:15:36.440 and they're like,

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00:15:39.880 Can you imagine that?

00:15:40.980 What kind of dirt bag

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00:15:59.500 I think we need a new definition of friendship.

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00:16:52.920 Have you noticed

00:16:56.260 the lack of video,

00:17:02.800 I would say,

00:17:03.840 from the left

00:17:05.220 on the triumphant return

00:17:08.820 of these three American citizens?

00:17:11.460 That's a real stunner, Glenn.

00:17:13.240 I can't understand

00:17:14.040 why that would happen.

00:17:15.100 I know,

00:17:15.820 but this one is a pretty big,

00:17:17.800 I mean,

00:17:18.080 there's no partisan politics

00:17:19.900 in this one at all.

00:17:21.060 This is a great American story.

00:17:23.220 Because I'm,

00:17:23.720 you know,

00:17:24.120 as I said,

00:17:24.960 somewhat skeptical

00:17:26.280 of whether

00:17:27.640 in 10 years

00:17:29.060 we'll look back

00:17:29.920 at this North Korea thing

00:17:31.000 and be excited about it.

00:17:32.000 I don't know.

00:17:32.800 I mean,

00:17:33.000 I'm really hopeful

00:17:34.220 and we've come a long way.

00:17:36.060 But we won't know for 10 years.

00:17:36.920 We won't know.

00:17:37.540 We won't know

00:17:38.140 until Trump is long out of office

00:17:39.520 whether this actually works or not.

00:17:41.720 And so,

00:17:42.780 I'm a skeptic on that.

00:17:44.140 However,

00:17:45.220 whether you're a skeptic

00:17:45.940 on that or not,

00:17:47.620 these are three people

00:17:48.560 coming back.

00:17:49.080 In a way,

00:17:50.740 it's somewhat similar

00:17:52.460 to this,

00:17:53.120 you know,

00:17:53.640 but much better

00:17:54.680 than what happened

00:17:55.560 with Iran.

00:17:56.160 I mean,

00:17:56.800 we paid them a bunch of money

00:17:57.820 and they gave us their hostages.

00:17:59.340 While I thought

00:18:00.120 that was a terrible idea,

00:18:01.640 I'm still glad

00:18:02.620 our hostages are back.

00:18:03.660 Here,

00:18:04.340 this is real hope

00:18:05.840 and the hostages are back.

00:18:07.300 We haven't given up anything yet.

00:18:08.680 So,

00:18:09.120 this is considerably better.

00:18:10.440 Both scenarios,

00:18:11.400 though,

00:18:11.960 glad that they're back

00:18:13.380 on our soil.

00:18:13.960 But I'm just,

00:18:15.620 I mean,

00:18:16.500 it shows how deeply

00:18:18.540 disturbed

00:18:20.500 the people in the media

00:18:22.200 have become.

00:18:23.000 I will say,

00:18:23.540 I heard a very lengthy segment

00:18:25.760 on CNN

00:18:26.520 earlier today

00:18:27.760 in which they

00:18:29.020 were

00:18:29.640 pretty complimentary

00:18:31.460 about the way

00:18:32.480 it went down.

00:18:33.820 There has been some.

00:18:35.300 There has been some.

00:18:36.640 And,

00:18:36.860 you know,

00:18:37.160 with Trump,

00:18:37.920 I think that's as good

00:18:38.520 as you're ever going to get.

00:18:39.740 Yeah.

00:18:39.880 I mean,

00:18:40.020 you know,

00:18:40.620 honestly,

00:18:41.120 he could,

00:18:41.740 you know,

00:18:42.280 they hate him,

00:18:43.520 obviously.

00:18:43.960 And it's not universal.

00:18:45.460 I mean,

00:18:45.580 there are those exceptions.

00:18:46.680 And I have to tell you,

00:18:47.780 I wrote to our editor

00:18:49.660 this morning and said,

00:18:50.700 hello,

00:18:51.860 you know,

00:18:52.580 where's the video?

00:18:53.320 Where are the stories?

00:18:54.180 Because the stories

00:18:54.820 are remarkable.

00:18:55.840 These three men

00:18:56.520 are remarkable people.

00:18:59.320 And I haven't seen

00:19:00.320 enough of that yet.

00:19:01.400 Yeah,

00:19:01.520 they're really,

00:19:02.560 they're all three

00:19:03.340 devout Christians

00:19:04.680 who were in North Korea

00:19:07.440 trying to help people.

00:19:09.560 You know,

00:19:10.160 they were all three teachers.

00:19:11.280 They may have been

00:19:13.320 involved in,

00:19:14.440 you know,

00:19:14.940 underground activity

00:19:15.920 of trying to help

00:19:16.920 Christians in North Korea.

00:19:18.880 I don't personally

00:19:19.960 have a problem with that.

00:19:21.180 I mean,

00:19:21.300 I think that makes them heroic.

00:19:23.380 I don't think

00:19:24.480 that they were CIA spies,

00:19:26.440 but I also,

00:19:28.080 I'm not sure

00:19:29.000 that they weren't there,

00:19:30.100 you know,

00:19:31.540 undermining the,

00:19:32.920 the atheist aspect

00:19:35.740 of North Korea

00:19:37.580 by trying to help,

00:19:38.820 you know,

00:19:39.420 believers

00:19:39.720 and help people escape.

00:19:41.100 And I don't have a problem

00:19:42.160 with,

00:19:42.780 you want to escape

00:19:43.700 a,

00:19:44.040 a concentration camp

00:19:45.860 riddled

00:19:46.260 communist country.

00:19:48.140 I'm all for these guys.

00:19:49.540 I think they're heroes

00:19:50.460 and they're returning

00:19:51.780 and,

00:19:52.280 and,

00:19:52.700 uh,

00:19:53.040 we should recognize

00:19:54.980 the triumph here,

00:19:56.900 but also who these guys

00:19:58.840 really are.

00:20:03.560 Welcome home

00:20:04.620 to

00:20:06.060 three

00:20:07.320 Americans.

00:20:09.580 they're all,

00:20:12.040 they're all,

00:20:12.720 uh,

00:20:13.660 South Koreans

00:20:15.300 or Koreans

00:20:16.040 and,

00:20:16.780 uh,

00:20:17.080 and moved to the United States,

00:20:18.620 naturalized U.S. citizen.

00:20:20.440 The first one is

00:20:21.640 Kim Dong Chul.

00:20:23.360 He was,

00:20:24.220 uh,

00:20:24.460 taken by the North Korean police

00:20:26.220 on,

00:20:26.960 on,

00:20:27.820 uh,

00:20:28.120 October 2nd,

00:20:28.980 2015.

00:20:29.560 He was accused of spying.

00:20:31.640 He is a resident of Virginia

00:20:33.440 and we all know

00:20:34.420 that if you live in Virginia,

00:20:35.520 what else is in Virginia,

00:20:36.820 Stu?

00:20:37.000 Uh,

00:20:39.060 yeah.

00:20:39.540 The farm,

00:20:40.580 the farm,

00:20:41.620 the farm,

00:20:43.000 farm,

00:20:43.580 CIA.

00:20:44.860 CIA.

00:20:45.720 Yeah.

00:20:46.140 So if you're a resident

00:20:47.560 of Virginia,

00:20:48.460 you know what I'm saying?

00:20:49.780 Right.

00:20:50.380 So he,

00:20:50.960 thank you for asking me.

00:20:51.460 He became,

00:20:51.880 you're very good.

00:20:53.260 He became a,

00:20:54.200 an American citizen

00:20:54.980 in 1987.

00:20:56.560 He's lived with his wife,

00:20:58.080 uh,

00:20:58.580 in China since 2001.

00:21:00.440 He worked just across

00:21:02.240 the North Korean border,

00:21:03.400 uh,

00:21:04.320 in a special economic zone

00:21:06.060 where he ran a hotel service company.

00:21:08.180 He is also a pastor.

00:21:09.900 This is his biggest crime.

00:21:12.000 I'll bet you.

00:21:13.340 Very little was known

00:21:14.500 about his status

00:21:15.260 until a news crew

00:21:16.720 interviewed him

00:21:17.420 during their,

00:21:17.960 uh,

00:21:18.460 visit in January,

00:21:19.700 2016.

00:21:20.280 He told reporters

00:21:21.220 during a news conference

00:21:22.160 organized by,

00:21:23.780 uh,

00:21:24.240 Kim Jong Un

00:21:24.940 that he was a spy.

00:21:27.460 He apologized

00:21:28.460 for stealing military secrets

00:21:30.000 in confusion

00:21:30.680 with South Koreans

00:21:31.620 and called his own actions

00:21:33.880 unpardonable.

00:21:35.680 And you have to take

00:21:36.780 his word on that one.

00:21:37.740 Oh yeah,

00:21:38.220 he was,

00:21:38.720 he was in the hands

00:21:39.660 of the North Koreans.

00:21:40.860 Of course.

00:21:41.440 North Korea,

00:21:42.120 um,

00:21:42.820 accused him

00:21:43.540 of receiving a USB drive

00:21:45.220 in various papers

00:21:46.160 containing nuclear secrets

00:21:47.480 during a meeting

00:21:48.520 with a defector

00:21:49.720 of the regime.

00:21:50.880 One day after the trial,

00:21:52.500 he was sentenced

00:21:52.980 to 10 years

00:21:54.080 of,

00:21:54.620 of hard labor

00:21:55.780 for his supposed espionage.

00:21:58.060 The previous victims

00:21:59.500 of the regime

00:22:00.140 have explained

00:22:00.720 that they were also

00:22:01.380 forced to make

00:22:01.980 similar public declarations

00:22:03.320 of their guilt

00:22:03.840 after being tortured

00:22:05.160 despite being,

00:22:06.460 uh,

00:22:07.000 innocent.

00:22:07.800 So that's,

00:22:08.900 that's number one guy.

00:22:10.800 Number two

00:22:11.620 that came home yesterday

00:22:12.740 was Kim,

00:22:13.920 uh,

00:22:15.100 Hak Song,

00:22:16.220 otherwise known

00:22:16.900 as Jin,

00:22:18.500 I think it's Zhu Song.

00:22:20.180 He had been working

00:22:21.340 at the University

00:22:22.480 of Science

00:22:23.080 and Technology

00:22:23.940 in, uh,

00:22:25.100 Pyongyang.

00:22:25.780 How do you say

00:22:26.260 the Pyongyang?

00:22:27.120 Pyongyang?

00:22:27.640 Yeah, Pyongyang.

00:22:28.560 Pyongyang.

00:22:29.000 So it's Pyongyang.

00:22:30.260 Pyongyang.

00:22:30.860 Pyongyang.

00:22:31.540 Pyongyang.

00:22:32.040 Pyongyang.

00:22:32.580 Pyongyang.

00:22:33.220 Pyongyang.

00:22:34.220 Pyongyang.

00:22:34.500 I'm glad I live

00:22:35.240 in America.

00:22:36.040 Okay?

00:22:36.840 Wouldn't,

00:22:37.180 I wouldn't be able

00:22:37.880 to be Asian.

00:22:38.640 I can't,

00:22:39.100 I can't,

00:22:39.940 uh,

00:22:40.560 appropriate anybody's

00:22:41.820 culture

00:22:42.120 because I can't

00:22:42.840 speak it.

00:22:43.620 I can barely speak

00:22:44.600 this.

00:22:45.200 I can barely

00:22:45.740 speak English.

00:22:46.620 It's your only line

00:22:47.180 between a sumo wrestler.

00:22:48.980 Wait,

00:22:49.580 what?

00:22:51.820 So,

00:22:52.520 uh,

00:22:52.920 Pyongyang.

00:22:54.060 Pyongyang.

00:22:54.780 Pyongyang.

00:22:55.500 Pyongyang.

00:22:56.060 Pyongyang.

00:22:56.780 Pyongyang.

00:22:56.860 I don't know,

00:22:57.460 I can't hear the difference.

00:22:59.140 Really?

00:22:59.840 Yeah.

00:23:00.160 Anyway,

00:23:00.680 uh,

00:23:01.540 we're going to call it

00:23:03.340 pussed from here

00:23:04.180 because it's Pyongyang.

00:23:05.920 Pyongyang.

00:23:06.600 University of Science

00:23:07.860 and Technology.

00:23:08.960 P-U-S-T.

00:23:10.120 Anyway,

00:23:10.800 he was working for that

00:23:12.120 in Pyongyang.

00:23:13.300 He was undertaking

00:23:16.060 agricultural development

00:23:17.960 and working with

00:23:20.080 the school's farm.

00:23:21.280 So,

00:23:21.660 people from

00:23:22.460 Pyongyang

00:23:23.440 were,

00:23:23.800 were,

00:23:24.320 were trying to figure

00:23:25.340 out how to farm,

00:23:26.360 which would be a good

00:23:27.440 thing.

00:23:28.040 In Pyongyang.

00:23:28.800 Because there's no farm.

00:23:30.280 There's no,

00:23:30.740 there's no food.

00:23:31.400 Not a lot of food

00:23:31.960 going on there,

00:23:32.520 unfortunately.

00:23:33.480 So,

00:23:33.700 he was arrested

00:23:34.400 at a railway station

00:23:35.840 in,

00:23:36.340 um,

00:23:37.020 Pyongyang,

00:23:37.740 probably.

00:23:38.940 I'm just guessing

00:23:39.820 at this point,

00:23:40.440 but you look at me

00:23:41.120 and I think I should

00:23:41.720 probably say Pyongyang.

00:23:42.480 Yeah.

00:23:43.200 On suspected,

00:23:44.400 on suspicion of committing

00:23:45.800 Pyongyang?

00:23:47.560 No,

00:23:48.120 hostile acts

00:23:48.840 against the government.

00:23:51.220 He,

00:23:51.660 he,

00:23:52.220 he was boarding a train

00:23:53.900 headed for his,

00:23:54.960 uh,

00:23:55.200 home in Dangdong,

00:23:56.780 China.

00:23:58.320 Kim,

00:23:59.340 he's in his

00:23:59.960 mid-50s,

00:24:01.220 he was born in China,

00:24:02.200 educated at the

00:24:02.840 University of California.

00:24:04.720 Uh,

00:24:05.180 he returned to China

00:24:06.100 after 10 years of living

00:24:07.240 in the U.S.,

00:24:07.920 where he is a citizen.

00:24:09.720 Uh,

00:24:10.280 it was founded,

00:24:11.420 the university,

00:24:12.200 that he is,

00:24:13.060 uh,

00:24:13.320 work,

00:24:13.620 was working for,

00:24:14.300 founded by evangelical

00:24:15.360 Christians overseas

00:24:16.460 and opened in 2010.

00:24:18.300 They have a number

00:24:19.740 of American faculty members

00:24:21.100 or,

00:24:21.440 or did.

00:24:22.640 Pupils are generally

00:24:23.760 children from

00:24:24.860 the North's elite.

00:24:27.800 Not known

00:24:28.740 whether he was,

00:24:29.560 uh,

00:24:30.300 you know,

00:24:30.920 sentenced for his

00:24:31.980 supposed hostile acts.

00:24:33.340 We have no idea

00:24:34.240 why he was even

00:24:35.000 in prison.

00:24:36.360 Then there's

00:24:37.140 Kim Sang-duk,

00:24:38.260 Korean-American,

00:24:40.700 Kim Sang-duk,

00:24:41.560 known as

00:24:42.180 Tony Kim,

00:24:43.100 which I like

00:24:43.800 much better.

00:24:45.240 Uh,

00:24:45.640 you're going to go

00:24:46.600 with his

00:24:47.060 also known as

00:24:48.080 on this one?

00:24:48.420 I'm going to go

00:24:48.620 as Tony Kim.

00:24:50.140 Uh,

00:24:50.680 he was arrested,

00:24:51.800 uh,

00:24:52.820 at the main airport

00:24:54.120 in,

00:24:55.020 um,

00:24:56.360 Pyongyang.

00:24:57.300 Hey!

00:24:57.860 As he tried

00:24:59.440 to leave the country

00:25:00.620 after teaching

00:25:01.720 several weeks

00:25:02.780 as a guest lecturer

00:25:04.340 at Pust.

00:25:06.000 So he was at the

00:25:06.920 same university.

00:25:09.140 He's a former

00:25:10.480 professor of

00:25:11.360 University of Science

00:25:12.240 and Technology

00:25:12.840 in China,

00:25:13.720 which is close

00:25:14.580 to the Korean border.

00:25:16.020 Uh,

00:25:16.220 his,

00:25:16.560 uh,

00:25:16.780 website,

00:25:17.440 uh,

00:25:17.900 lists his specialties

00:25:19.000 as accounting

00:25:20.060 and I'm guessing

00:25:21.680 that you get

00:25:22.800 an accountant

00:25:23.340 and steal the

00:25:24.340 accounting secrets

00:25:25.220 of North Korea.

00:25:26.700 We got them.

00:25:27.860 A lot of zeros

00:25:28.640 to add up

00:25:29.180 over there.

00:25:29.600 Right.

00:25:30.380 Uh,

00:25:30.820 he graduated

00:25:31.300 from the

00:25:31.640 University of

00:25:32.100 California

00:25:32.520 Riverside

00:25:33.280 in 1990,

00:25:34.620 a master's

00:25:35.140 degree in

00:25:35.500 business

00:25:35.840 administration.

00:25:36.440 Again,

00:25:37.240 steal their

00:25:37.760 business and

00:25:38.420 accounting secrets

00:25:39.320 and we rule

00:25:40.620 the world.

00:25:41.820 Um,

00:25:42.380 he is in his

00:25:43.000 late 50s.

00:25:44.160 He was involved

00:25:44.780 in relief

00:25:45.280 activities for

00:25:45.980 children in

00:25:46.800 rural parts

00:25:47.500 of North Korea.

00:25:48.620 He is a,

00:25:50.240 according to

00:25:50.600 sources,

00:25:51.060 a religiously

00:25:51.960 devoted man.

00:25:52.800 So these are

00:25:53.260 all,

00:25:53.600 all three of

00:25:54.100 these guys

00:25:54.460 are evangelical

00:25:55.080 Christians

00:25:55.600 who seem

00:25:56.860 to be

00:25:57.180 motivated

00:25:57.640 to go

00:25:58.060 over there

00:25:58.540 to help

00:25:59.020 people.

00:26:00.320 He was

00:26:00.520 detained

00:26:00.920 with his

00:26:01.420 wife,

00:26:01.860 um,

00:26:02.680 at the

00:26:03.100 Sunan

00:26:03.460 International

00:26:04.060 Airport

00:26:04.600 2017

00:26:05.260 while waiting

00:26:05.900 for a

00:26:06.220 flight.

00:26:07.140 Police later

00:26:07.700 arrested Kim

00:26:08.480 but did not

00:26:09.160 explain why

00:26:10.000 his wife

00:26:10.780 was allowed

00:26:11.280 to leave

00:26:11.700 the country.

00:26:12.240 Pust said

00:26:13.960 the arrest

00:26:14.360 was not

00:26:14.740 related to

00:26:15.220 his work

00:26:15.520 at the

00:26:15.720 university

00:26:16.140 and his

00:26:16.440 Facebook

00:26:16.740 post Kim

00:26:17.500 Sung said

00:26:18.100 that his

00:26:18.340 family had

00:26:18.780 no contact

00:26:19.600 with him

00:26:19.920 since the

00:26:20.460 arrest and

00:26:21.820 he didn't

00:26:22.640 know until

00:26:23.020 last night

00:26:23.640 that he is

00:26:24.580 soon to

00:26:24.940 become a

00:26:25.340 grandfather.

00:26:26.560 Oh wow.

00:26:27.180 So these

00:26:28.540 are the three

00:26:29.000 Americans that

00:26:29.780 came home

00:26:30.380 yesterday.

00:26:31.240 And all

00:26:31.400 this happened

00:26:31.860 in or around

00:26:32.940 I don't

00:26:38.680 ever have

00:26:39.040 to go.

00:26:39.460 I don't

00:26:39.580 really care.

00:26:41.140 They,

00:26:41.380 uh,

00:26:41.640 I was listening

00:26:42.080 to some of

00:26:42.340 the journalists

00:26:42.760 who were

00:26:43.000 there and

00:26:44.140 they had to

00:26:44.500 just wait in

00:26:45.340 the lobby

00:26:46.140 of the hotel

00:26:46.960 because you

00:26:47.980 can't leave.

00:26:48.780 You can't

00:26:49.060 walk out of

00:26:49.440 the street

00:26:49.840 without,

00:26:50.400 uh,

00:26:50.700 without a

00:26:51.180 government,

00:26:51.620 you know,

00:26:52.280 uh,

00:26:52.860 chaperone.

00:26:53.680 So they sat

00:26:54.540 in the lobby

00:26:55.460 of the hotel

00:26:55.960 waiting for,

00:26:57.160 uh,

00:26:57.880 Pompeo to

00:26:58.600 go up and

00:26:59.140 do,

00:26:59.480 you know,

00:26:59.760 his,

00:27:00.040 his negotiation

00:27:00.880 and they would

00:27:01.360 come down

00:27:01.800 and,

00:27:02.160 uh,

00:27:02.800 they would

00:27:03.140 update the

00:27:03.760 journalists

00:27:04.180 as they

00:27:04.660 sat in

00:27:04.980 the lobby

00:27:05.300 and the

00:27:06.480 word is

00:27:07.060 that they

00:27:07.560 including

00:27:08.300 Pompeo,

00:27:09.020 no one

00:27:09.580 knew if

00:27:09.920 they were

00:27:10.120 taking them

00:27:10.540 out.

00:27:11.440 They didn't

00:27:11.980 know,

00:27:12.240 he didn't

00:27:12.580 know if

00:27:12.800 he was

00:27:12.980 meeting

00:27:13.320 Kim Jong-un

00:27:14.200 while he

00:27:15.180 was there

00:27:15.480 and he

00:27:15.760 did not

00:27:16.060 know for

00:27:16.440 sure that

00:27:16.780 they were

00:27:16.980 taking them

00:27:17.360 out.

00:27:17.980 Fingers

00:27:18.300 crossed,

00:27:18.780 but no,

00:27:19.220 no actual

00:27:20.300 knowledge that

00:27:21.020 they were

00:27:21.220 going to be

00:27:21.520 able to

00:27:21.720 remove the

00:27:22.060 prisoners

00:27:22.360 last night.

00:27:23.520 I mean,

00:27:23.740 it's been

00:27:24.000 rumored for

00:27:24.480 weeks,

00:27:24.860 but they did

00:27:26.020 not know for

00:27:26.680 sure that

00:27:27.020 they were going

00:27:27.300 to actually

00:27:27.700 get them

00:27:28.040 out of

00:27:28.260 there.

00:27:28.860 What is it

00:27:29.240 like to

00:27:29.900 live in a

00:27:30.620 state that

00:27:31.160 is that

00:27:31.640 clamped

00:27:32.120 down?

00:27:32.840 I mean,

00:27:33.060 I don't

00:27:33.320 ever want

00:27:33.820 to know.

00:27:35.280 I'm a little

00:27:36.080 freaked out that

00:27:36.840 we might be

00:27:37.380 going that

00:27:37.940 direction.

00:27:38.480 Yeah.

00:27:38.640 But what is

00:27:40.260 it like to

00:27:41.040 live in a

00:27:41.420 state like

00:27:41.780 that?

00:27:43.200 I can't

00:27:44.120 even imagine

00:27:44.640 it.

00:27:45.000 It's so much

00:27:45.700 that you take

00:27:46.120 for granted

00:27:46.540 is just

00:27:47.100 gone.

00:27:47.960 I mean,

00:27:48.180 you can't

00:27:48.580 walk outside

00:27:49.420 by yourself.

00:27:50.600 That's,

00:27:51.680 you know,

00:27:52.360 again,

00:27:52.740 it's typical

00:27:53.480 of Americans

00:27:54.740 and myself

00:27:55.760 to complain

00:27:56.680 about many

00:27:57.440 things that,

00:27:59.140 you know,

00:28:00.620 when you have

00:28:01.300 something that's

00:28:01.820 very, very

00:28:02.440 good,

00:28:03.120 which has been

00:28:03.740 the United

00:28:04.040 States for

00:28:04.660 its history,

00:28:05.500 when you see

00:28:06.440 flaws in that,

00:28:07.280 it's the only

00:28:07.600 thing you notice.

00:28:08.220 It's like a

00:28:08.740 pretty face

00:28:09.200 with a scar

00:28:10.000 on it,

00:28:10.520 right?

00:28:10.700 Like it's the

00:28:11.140 first thing

00:28:11.480 you might

00:28:11.740 notice.

00:28:12.540 That being

00:28:13.100 said,

00:28:13.680 it's a hell

00:28:14.440 of a lot

00:28:14.740 better than

00:28:15.300 what the heck

00:28:15.680 is going on

00:28:16.080 over there.

00:28:16.660 Well,

00:28:16.880 what's going

00:28:17.260 on over there

00:28:17.840 is,

00:28:18.320 you know,

00:28:18.680 for instance,

00:28:19.240 you have a

00:28:19.780 complaint,

00:28:20.360 you don't

00:28:20.820 make the

00:28:21.240 complaint,

00:28:21.820 you don't

00:28:22.260 question the

00:28:22.940 state ever.

00:28:24.660 And we

00:28:26.480 think that

00:28:27.220 we're so

00:28:27.620 very religiously

00:28:28.680 tolerant.

00:28:29.800 However,

00:28:30.280 there are

00:28:30.620 problems here

00:28:31.400 in the United

00:28:31.900 States.

00:28:32.520 If you are,

00:28:33.560 I mean,

00:28:33.820 to me,

00:28:34.920 what these guys

00:28:35.640 did is they

00:28:36.560 went over and

00:28:37.180 they were

00:28:38.220 Christians and

00:28:38.940 they were

00:28:39.160 helping people.

00:28:40.340 I'm guessing

00:28:40.780 that's why

00:28:41.360 they weren't

00:28:41.720 actually spying

00:28:42.420 on accounting

00:28:42.880 secrets.

00:28:43.500 They were not

00:28:43.820 spying on

00:28:44.380 accounting secrets.

00:28:45.240 I think they

00:28:45.680 were just

00:28:46.120 Christians helping

00:28:47.180 possibly

00:28:48.460 undercover

00:28:49.280 Christians.

00:28:50.320 And to be

00:28:50.600 clear,

00:28:50.980 when you do

00:28:51.700 something like

00:28:52.300 that,

00:28:53.100 you know

00:28:53.880 this is the

00:28:54.920 risk.

00:28:55.600 You know

00:28:56.420 that the

00:28:56.900 North Korean

00:28:57.500 regime may

00:28:58.040 put you in

00:28:58.480 prison forever

00:28:59.160 and you do

00:29:00.220 it because you

00:29:00.940 believe what

00:29:01.560 you're doing

00:29:01.980 is more

00:29:02.340 important than

00:29:02.920 what happens

00:29:03.340 to you.

00:29:03.900 And that's

00:29:04.220 why these

00:29:04.520 guys are

00:29:04.820 heroes.

00:29:05.540 There are

00:29:05.840 two stories.

00:29:06.800 One is on

00:29:07.520 the blaze

00:29:07.960 today and

00:29:09.440 the other

00:29:09.780 one is at

00:29:10.140 glenbeck.com.

00:29:11.300 Two stories,

00:29:12.120 same subject and

00:29:13.100 I think they're

00:29:13.500 the only ones

00:29:13.980 you're going to

00:29:14.280 find anywhere

00:29:15.240 about what's

00:29:16.320 happening here

00:29:17.460 in Dallas with

00:29:18.580 religious persecution.

00:29:19.580 persecution.

00:29:20.760 And you know

00:29:21.360 the Christians

00:29:21.920 have been

00:29:22.840 all up in

00:29:24.340 arms about

00:29:24.780 religious

00:29:25.180 persecution and

00:29:26.220 the ones who

00:29:26.760 are really

00:29:27.220 leading the

00:29:27.800 charge on

00:29:28.300 this this

00:29:28.640 time are

00:29:29.720 the Jews.

00:29:30.800 I mean it's

00:29:31.140 amazing what

00:29:31.860 the Jewish

00:29:32.180 people have

00:29:32.700 done in

00:29:34.880 Syria and

00:29:35.660 trying to

00:29:36.080 ring the

00:29:36.420 bell in

00:29:37.000 Syria.

00:29:38.300 I find it

00:29:39.280 remarkable.

00:29:40.600 This time

00:29:41.500 it's not

00:29:42.220 Christians that

00:29:42.860 are in

00:29:43.080 trouble,

00:29:43.500 it is Jews

00:29:45.620 that are in

00:29:46.260 trouble.

00:29:46.480 Here in

00:29:47.460 Dallas, in

00:29:50.320 the United

00:29:50.740 States, you

00:29:51.600 know we all

00:29:52.340 think that we

00:29:52.840 can all live

00:29:53.380 together and

00:29:53.900 live side by

00:29:54.480 side.

00:29:54.940 There is a

00:29:55.620 rabbi who

00:29:57.140 is not

00:30:00.320 allowed to

00:30:01.300 hold religious

00:30:02.060 services in

00:30:03.460 a place that

00:30:03.840 he's been

00:30:04.140 holding religious

00:30:04.760 services for

00:30:05.360 like I don't

00:30:06.180 know 10-15

00:30:06.980 years.

00:30:08.020 What's crazy

00:30:08.800 about this

00:30:09.240 story is at

00:30:10.620 first you kind

00:30:11.320 of go well

00:30:11.780 maybe there's

00:30:12.400 some religious

00:30:13.060 persecution.

00:30:14.180 I don't know.

00:30:15.160 I mean maybe

00:30:16.460 do they have

00:30:17.180 a point.

00:30:17.600 You know you

00:30:17.800 never want to

00:30:18.340 jump to hey

00:30:20.520 this is happening

00:30:21.420 because of what

00:30:22.220 that person

00:30:22.880 believes.

00:30:24.340 This is the

00:30:25.120 only thing that

00:30:25.920 you can come

00:30:26.480 up with because

00:30:27.240 the last hurdle

00:30:28.540 they've wanted to

00:30:29.620 have a synagogue

00:30:30.140 and the city

00:30:31.580 keeps rejecting

00:30:32.360 and rejecting

00:30:32.900 and rejecting

00:30:33.440 and rejecting

00:30:33.940 and keep adding

00:30:34.720 new things.

00:30:35.300 Oh you got to

00:30:35.600 do this.

00:30:35.980 Got to do

00:30:36.300 this.

00:30:36.580 Got to do

00:30:36.880 this.

00:30:37.160 Got to do

00:30:37.480 this.

00:30:37.820 Well they do

00:30:38.360 all of it and

00:30:39.700 then the city

00:30:40.140 says no you

00:30:40.800 got to do this

00:30:41.500 and they do

00:30:42.240 that.

00:30:42.580 No you got to

00:30:43.180 do this.

00:30:44.720 Well what the

00:30:45.120 hell's happening

00:30:45.720 here?

00:30:46.460 And the

00:30:47.000 latest rejection

00:30:47.840 the one that

00:30:48.280 caught my eye

00:30:49.060 was that they

00:30:50.620 needed a parking

00:30:51.880 variance for

00:30:53.900 Saturdays.

00:30:55.180 Oh okay well

00:31:00.820 um hmm why would

00:31:04.820 we need a parking

00:31:05.720 variance for

00:31:06.560 Saturdays because

00:31:07.960 Saturday is the

00:31:10.520 Sabbath and

00:31:11.760 anyone who is

00:31:12.640 coming to

00:31:13.720 synagogue is

00:31:14.920 walking because

00:31:16.680 no Orthodox Jew

00:31:18.100 can drive a car.

00:31:19.940 why do we

00:31:22.120 need a variance

00:31:23.180 I can't

00:31:23.980 operate until

00:31:24.960 you grant

00:31:27.000 me a variance

00:31:28.040 which you

00:31:28.440 won't grant

00:31:29.020 me for

00:31:29.660 parking which

00:31:30.380 we won't

00:31:30.900 use on

00:31:31.620 Saturday.

00:31:32.060 so one of

00:31:35.840 the real

00:31:36.600 strong

00:31:37.080 organizations that

00:31:38.180 stand up for

00:31:39.060 religious liberty

00:31:39.940 um we've had

00:31:41.180 him on the

00:31:41.460 show many many

00:31:42.160 times is

00:31:43.520 involved in

00:31:44.140 this fight and

00:31:44.760 we have the

00:31:45.200 rabbi coming

00:31:45.780 in and uh

00:31:47.200 he's going to

00:31:48.180 tell this story

00:31:48.860 there's something

00:31:49.800 really wrong here

00:31:50.980 with this and

00:31:53.300 if we believe in

00:31:54.600 religious liberty

00:31:55.360 we have to

00:31:56.660 uncover the

00:31:57.900 um the the

00:32:00.500 the wounds that

00:32:01.680 are currently

00:32:02.300 being inflicted

00:32:03.580 forget about the

00:32:04.320 past let's take

00:32:05.780 care of the

00:32:06.200 things that are

00:32:06.660 currently happening

00:32:08.080 and we'll bring

00:32:09.840 that story to you

00:32:10.480 you can read that

00:32:10.980 story at the

00:32:11.420 blaze.com or at

00:32:12.720 glenbeck.com uh

00:32:14.300 and uh we have

00:32:15.440 them coming in for

00:32:16.380 in just a minute

00:32:17.700 but I really think

00:32:19.040 that we need to

00:32:19.680 rally around you

00:32:21.540 know should you

00:32:21.960 find this story

00:32:22.600 valid I do um

00:32:24.380 but should you

00:32:25.460 find this story

00:32:26.300 valid I think we

00:32:27.100 really need to

00:32:28.000 rally around and

00:32:29.680 change this behavior

00:32:30.660 um there is an

00:32:32.100 opportunity for

00:32:33.240 christians and jews

00:32:34.260 to come together

00:32:34.840 unlike I've ever

00:32:35.980 seen unlike ever

00:32:37.760 before in history a

00:32:39.000 miracle is happening

00:32:40.040 let's make sure

00:32:41.400 that uh our

00:32:43.120 communities know

00:32:44.120 that we need to

00:32:46.000 trust each other

00:32:46.760 and we need to

00:32:47.620 stand hand in

00:32:48.440 hand with

00:32:49.120 judeo-christian

00:32:50.600 ethics we're in

00:32:52.380 this one together

00:32:53.340 okay so anybody

00:32:59.840 else last night

00:33:01.440 wake up in a

00:33:02.620 cold sweat and

00:33:03.280 go jeez yeah

00:33:04.480 sunday's mother's

00:33:05.660 day and I still

00:33:07.240 haven't done

00:33:07.680 anything uh you

00:33:10.460 we you you got to

00:33:11.980 get this done you

00:33:12.860 got to get this

00:33:13.360 done is it

00:33:14.020 thursday today

00:33:14.680 i think it's

00:33:16.340 thursday today

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00:34:32.080 today you know when

00:34:35.060 you hear this story

00:34:35.980 when you hear this

00:34:38.300 story that's happening

00:34:38.920 in dallas it's it's

00:34:39.960 it's really truly

00:34:41.280 unbelievable we'll

00:34:42.620 share it coming up

00:34:43.320 here in just a second

00:34:44.040 also be joined by

00:34:45.000 first liberty institute

00:34:46.100 these guys are they're

00:34:47.640 remarkable what they

00:34:48.580 do um okay stew

00:34:52.680 uh what else do we

00:34:55.940 have that we have to

00:34:56.760 we have to get to

00:34:57.860 today we have an

00:34:58.740 unbelievable third

00:35:00.080 hour uh have you

00:35:01.980 read this yet still

00:35:02.760 uh the world uh

00:35:05.540 without mind the

00:35:06.700 existential threat of

00:35:08.140 big tech uh dig big

00:35:09.420 tech i read a piece

00:35:11.280 uh by about this yes

00:35:13.220 i've not really good

00:35:15.020 yeah this this guy

00:35:16.660 scary he's really

00:35:18.220 frightening he's

00:35:19.220 talking about now

00:35:20.180 deep fakes and deep

00:35:22.040 fakes are something

00:35:22.640 that we've been

00:35:23.000 talking about for

00:35:23.540 maybe five years and

00:35:24.680 saying you know you're

00:35:25.300 not going to be able

00:35:25.800 to believe your eyes

00:35:26.740 um because it's

00:35:28.880 going to the ai will

00:35:30.840 be so good at

00:35:31.820 imitating you and

00:35:34.200 they'll be able to

00:35:34.960 make you do anything

00:35:37.040 you won't be able to

00:35:38.120 believe your ears you

00:35:38.840 won't believe be able

00:35:39.720 to believe your eyes

00:35:40.700 and he says fake

00:35:42.360 news just the

00:35:43.740 beginning in the

00:35:44.600 next five years you

00:35:46.240 won't believe anything

00:35:47.700 now what does that

00:35:49.740 mean what does that

00:35:52.620 mean to humanity

00:35:54.360 it's a deeper

00:35:56.320 conversation that we

00:35:57.440 must have we can

00:35:58.860 talk about all the

00:35:59.740 problems that are

00:36:00.220 happening now but the

00:36:01.400 problems just caused

00:36:03.160 by tech that are just

00:36:05.640 over the horizon are

00:36:07.900 crippling if we don't

00:36:09.720 deal with them now

00:36:10.440 it's true and and

00:36:12.900 uh this builds nicely

00:36:14.720 off of what we saw

00:36:15.760 from google yesterday

00:36:16.820 where they are now

00:36:19.260 you're the new google

00:36:20.040 assistant will make

00:36:20.800 phone calls to reserve

00:36:22.140 restaurants for you and

00:36:23.900 you can't tell the

00:36:24.560 difference you can't

00:36:25.200 tell the difference

00:36:25.480 you cannot tell the

00:36:26.240 difference between a

00:36:26.860 human and uh and the

00:36:28.480 google assistant and

00:36:29.660 it's great it's really

00:36:31.280 really great but with

00:36:32.940 that come heavy heavy

00:36:35.820 prices to pay in our

00:36:37.700 freedom and in our

00:36:39.420 privacy

00:36:40.020 glenn back so i want

00:36:44.320 you to imagine that

00:36:46.440 you're living in a in a

00:36:49.240 neighborhood and and you

00:36:51.060 walk to church uh every

00:36:53.200 you know every sunday and

00:36:54.840 and you've you've moved

00:36:56.760 there because the church

00:36:57.780 is great and and you want

00:36:59.820 to walk to church and then

00:37:02.560 somebody in the neighborhood

00:37:03.440 moves in after about a

00:37:05.660 decade and doesn't like

00:37:07.940 that and wants to change

00:37:09.240 all the rules and wants

00:37:10.500 your church to shut down

00:37:11.860 and starts using all of

00:37:13.460 these um you know all of

00:37:16.060 these little petty things

00:37:18.020 to irritate to frustrate and

00:37:21.440 to get you to move

00:37:22.740 after a while you might just

00:37:26.260 say you know what let's just

00:37:27.300 go especially if your church

00:37:29.640 was in a house and it wasn't

00:37:31.460 a big you know edifice that

00:37:33.000 cost you a lot of money to

00:37:34.000 build but now let me let me

00:37:37.940 change one variable you

00:37:40.640 belong to a church that

00:37:42.060 requires you to walk on

00:37:45.140 sundays so you can't live

00:37:48.100 very far from the church and

00:37:50.460 you and all of your other

00:37:51.800 congregants you moved into

00:37:54.100 that neighborhood because the

00:37:56.100 church was there so you paid

00:37:58.500 the price you may have passed

00:37:59.920 on a house that you really

00:38:00.860 wanted someplace else but you

00:38:02.560 couldn't have it because you

00:38:03.440 couldn't walk to church so

00:38:05.100 now all of you if the church

00:38:08.500 goes out you all have to move

00:38:11.020 you all have to change

00:38:12.260 schools with your kids you have

00:38:14.580 to change your entire life just

00:38:17.220 because one guy says I don't

00:38:20.080 want you in my neighborhood

00:38:21.340 now how would you feel if the

00:38:27.900 thing he was complaining about

00:38:29.620 was you didn't have a parking

00:38:33.440 variance for your Sabbath

00:38:36.240 remember no one in the

00:38:40.160 congregation can drive so there

00:38:42.200 are no cars being parked on the

00:38:44.820 Sabbath would you begin to say I

00:38:49.320 think something's wrong here that

00:38:52.960 is the story that is happening

00:38:54.540 here in Dallas as I understand it

00:38:57.200 and it's not a church it's a it's a

00:39:01.520 synagogue it's a it's a Jewish

00:39:03.660 place of of worship and the people

00:39:07.440 had been been going to synagogue on

00:39:10.680 Saturday it's never caused a

00:39:13.200 problem until one guy moved in and

00:39:16.100 now they're on the ropes we have

00:39:18.980 Jeremy we have Jeremy Dice he is the

00:39:21.220 deputy general counsel of First

00:39:23.180 Liberty Institute Chelsea Yeoman she

00:39:25.440 is counsel on this particular case

00:39:27.600 and Rabbi Yaakov Rich who is the

00:39:31.100 rabbi of the congregation and now a

00:39:33.460 client unfortunately of First

00:39:35.500 Liberty Institute do I have the

00:39:37.480 general story right is that kind of

00:39:40.000 what's happening here that's

00:39:41.240 exactly what's happening our clients

00:39:43.640 are so tenacious and they have been

00:39:45.960 dealing with obstacle after obstacle

00:39:47.900 now for the last few years at the

00:39:50.460 hands of these neighbors that you

00:39:52.600 mentioned and at the hands of an HOA

00:39:54.540 they're now in their third lawsuit

00:39:57.000 and all they want to do is live out

00:39:59.380 faithfully be able to walk on the

00:40:01.220 Sabbath to their to their small

00:40:02.820 synagogue that meets in a small home

00:40:04.620 in their neighborhood which is totally

00:40:07.180 fine with with with all zoning in

00:40:11.060 Texas I mean right you can have a

00:40:13.000 church or a synagogue or anything in

00:40:14.320 your house and that's that's right

00:40:15.480 it's actually illegal for a city to

00:40:17.340 say a church can't meet in a zone in

00:40:19.420 Texas I mean think about it our

00:40:21.220 churches could be excluded from any

00:40:23.880 jurisdiction if zoning laws were

00:40:25.580 enforced in this way right and there

00:40:27.740 is no problem with this I want you to

00:40:31.040 take me down the road and maybe

00:40:32.540 rabbi I don't know who would be best

00:40:34.500 to tell this story but you were fine

00:40:37.520 and the HOA was fine until this guy

00:40:40.900 moves into the neighborhood long after

00:40:43.320 you guys have been there and he

00:40:45.060 complains to the HOA and the HOA says

00:40:48.440 we have no problem and then he starts a

00:40:50.240 campaign to smear the HOA and get

00:40:53.640 people to move away some of them get

00:40:55.920 some of them so crazy that they just

00:40:58.200 had to move away and others he he put

00:41:01.700 people on the HOA specifically it seems

00:41:05.500 to come after you guys correct

00:41:07.280 eventually he became the president of

00:41:10.480 the HOA it was a it was a personal

00:41:12.640 lawsuit from him and he joined the HOA

00:41:15.480 became the president got board members

00:41:17.520 to join people to join the board

00:41:19.520 pardon me and it became a lawsuit from

00:41:21.640 the HOA against the synagogue and we

00:41:24.100 were very isolated because we are

00:41:25.740 members of the HOA in that community and

00:41:29.440 the HOA was coming after us but the HOA

00:41:32.880 before you hadn't changed anything

00:41:34.600 before he got there nothing the HOA was

00:41:36.880 fine in fact the head of the HOA said

00:41:39.460 to him when he first complained she said

00:41:40.780 no you don't understand no this is fine

00:41:42.500 this is all fine let's just learn to

00:41:44.500 live together yeah let's let's be

00:41:46.740 neighborly let's be neighbors and we're

00:41:49.800 walking to the synagogue and it's

00:41:51.660 actually quite nice and once the lawsuit

00:41:54.420 came tremendous anxiety on the part of

00:41:58.180 the membership of the synagogue we're

00:42:00.100 talking about 25 families maximum it's

00:42:02.260 all the people who live within walking

00:42:04.040 distance and everybody's nervous we have

00:42:05.980 to sell our house we have to go look

00:42:08.760 somewhere like you explained so

00:42:10.380 beautifully and eloquently at the

00:42:11.600 beginning you're literally going to have

00:42:13.720 to disrupt your entire life life yeah

00:42:15.920 and if I'm not mistaken I mean first of

00:42:19.260 all when he moved in he claims this is

00:42:23.080 hurting his his resale value of his

00:42:25.760 house right but is his house up for sale

00:42:28.880 and did it was his house property was it

00:42:32.140 affected in home prices when he bought

00:42:34.620 it because you guys have been doing it for

00:42:36.820 10 years before I think that's the

00:42:39.020 excuse that every HOA complainant usually

00:42:40.940 has this is going to hurt my my my home

00:42:42.840 values this is the perfect confluence of

00:42:45.120 government bureaucracy overrun everybody's

00:42:47.520 favorite neighbor that HOA and the the

00:42:50.460 rights of religious liberty here and the

00:42:51.780 free exercise of that on certain property

00:42:54.280 and as Chelsea pointed out they have a

00:42:57.240 right to be able to be there as a matter

00:42:59.120 of right under the city ordinance here what

00:43:00.860 we're quibbling over right now after many

00:43:03.800 rounds of discussions with the city of

00:43:05.260 Dallas is over six parking spaces for

00:43:08.200 goodness sake for a for a congregation

00:43:10.380 that doesn't drive on the Sabbath you

00:43:13.060 would think that that would be a simple

00:43:14.260 solution here to allow people to go

00:43:16.100 there but you know I think underlying all

00:43:18.660 this is exactly what you pointed out there

00:43:20.280 is a a desire to push back on this

00:43:23.380 specific group of religious exercise as I

00:43:26.700 don't know if it was mentioned earlier but

00:43:28.080 remember Rabbi Rich had his car vandalized

00:43:30.820 with the spray painting of a swastika on it I

00:43:33.260 didn't know that they've had to they've had

00:43:34.800 to get a grant from the federal government

00:43:36.600 to maintain better security at their

00:43:39.440 place of worship because of the threats

00:43:41.600 that have come in here but that's exactly

00:43:43.480 what happens when we don't allow people to

00:43:46.180 have the freedom to peacefully exercise

00:43:48.020 their religious beliefs and that's why

00:43:49.840 First Liberty has been involved in this

00:43:51.060 case from the beginning I'm sorry Rabbi

00:43:54.400 that somebody did that to you and I'm

00:43:56.980 sorry for all of your congregants that no

00:44:01.400 longer feel that they are safe in their

00:44:03.400 own neighborhood yeah pretty disconcerting

00:44:05.480 and we had the mezuzah which is the

00:44:07.620 parchment that we put on the doorway

00:44:09.040 ripped off and it was thrown about 20

00:44:12.500 feet in front of the door on the sidewalk

00:44:14.160 in front so I mean these things happened

00:44:16.680 all around the same time when the lawsuit

00:44:18.180 was coming and it it was very very

00:44:21.340 difficult as a rabbi of a congregation

00:44:22.880 people were the fear and the anxiety and

00:44:27.160 the isolation was such tremendous

00:44:29.400 difficult thing to deal with so what is

00:44:34.100 the solution here I mean are we down to

00:44:36.600 because this the HOA keeps saying if I'm

00:44:39.820 not mistaken you got to do this and then

00:44:41.420 you do it then you got to do this then

00:44:43.040 you do it you got to do this then you do

00:44:44.660 it and there's this a never-ending laundry

00:44:48.040 list is that accurate that's accurate we

00:44:50.840 actually won the lawsuit against the HOA and

00:44:53.500 then they punted the ball to the city of

00:44:55.100 Dallas and so that's where we are now in

00:44:56.940 a separate lawsuit with the city of Dallas

00:44:58.900 who as you mentioned just continued to

00:45:00.960 issue this laundry list item after item

00:45:03.140 after item for the congregation to do and

00:45:05.860 because because my clients want to be good

00:45:07.980 neighbors and they want to resolve this

00:45:09.960 amicably they've met every single requirement

00:45:12.820 on that list over years now they have done

00:45:15.640 every single thing the city required and

00:45:17.760 ironically the last thing the city asked

00:45:19.800 of them was to get a parking variance and

00:45:22.060 so even though as we mentioned they they walk

00:45:24.040 on the Sabbath it's an equivalent of six

00:45:26.840 spots that they're looking for we still

00:45:29.600 went we still applied at the city's request

00:45:31.740 to get the variance and we're ultimately

00:45:33.440 denied so that's where first wait so the

00:45:36.160 city says you have to get one and then the

00:45:38.700 city won't give them one that's right

00:45:40.340 that's right okay it's it's bureaucracy at

00:45:43.300 its best but and why won't they give you

00:45:45.980 the variance well they really just listened

00:45:49.700 to the HOA the HOA showed up they took off

00:45:51.920 work four days to come to all of these

00:45:53.820 hearings to testify person after person

00:45:56.100 against our congregation and say we like

00:45:58.740 religious liberty but we don't want a

00:46:00.320 synagogue here and I think that's the

00:46:02.240 message we want every every listener and

00:46:04.360 every viewer to understand is really your

00:46:07.100 Bible study could be next your church

00:46:08.900 could be next if a neighborhood decides

00:46:10.880 that they just like religious liberty but

00:46:12.700 not really your religious liberty I think

00:46:17.820 it's if I may I think it is worse for Jews

00:46:24.640 than my Bible study because I can choose

00:46:28.160 to have my Bible study at somebody else's

00:46:30.160 house okay so it's a lot easier but

00:46:33.680 rabbi if I'm not mistaken is sorry for

00:46:36.920 butchering this but there has to be for you

00:46:40.920 to actually have a congregation don't you

00:46:43.760 have to have I don't remember what it's

00:46:45.220 called a wire that runs around an a roof

00:46:47.880 okay right yes so you've had that for how

00:46:51.340 long well we've had that for it's been in

00:46:54.200 the neighborhood around 20 years it was

00:46:56.120 created originally by a different

00:46:58.120 congregation so but we need that in order

00:47:01.060 just to carry just to mothers to go with

00:47:03.520 strollers with their children to the

00:47:05.420 synagogue okay this is part of this is

00:47:07.340 part of you know the Torah and it is it's

00:47:10.820 the boundaries of the synagogue that's

00:47:12.960 correct and and so that just that alone

00:47:16.380 the maintenance on that is every week is

00:47:19.460 it not correct so there's no way that

00:47:21.700 this this this is not like hey I just

00:47:24.140 started a Bible study this has been

00:47:26.640 something that everyone is aware of if

00:47:30.200 you live in a Jewish community you know

00:47:32.940 you live in a Jewish community most

00:47:34.960 likely because you see a lot of people

00:47:38.240 walking on Friday nights and Saturdays

00:47:40.560 yeah and don't forget the inequality

00:47:41.800 that's going on here if outside of the

00:47:44.660 city of Dallas just this doesn't make as

00:47:46.180 much sense but if you drive through

00:47:47.580 Dallas it seems like everybody parks out

00:47:49.820 front of their house nobody uses their

00:47:51.140 driveway or their garage in the city of

00:47:52.700 Dallas they park outside their house so

00:47:55.080 really wouldn't know if this is a game

00:47:57.480 night that's taking place or is this

00:47:59.720 just you know the Oprah book of the month

00:48:01.460 the club that happens to be meeting this

00:48:02.960 week it really is no different than all

00:48:05.420 of those things but because these

00:48:07.560 individuals are are are somewhat

00:48:11.000 visually obviously going to a place of

00:48:13.040 worship here they've been specifically

00:48:15.360 targeted here right and that that's

00:48:17.640 where the clear discrimination has come

00:48:19.040 out here they're not targeting the

00:48:20.520 Oprah book of the month club they're

00:48:22.220 targeting people who are are walking to

00:48:24.500 go and have their prayers I will tell you

00:48:28.060 there is a Jewish community here that

00:48:32.480 is right by our my faith's temple we

00:48:36.020 have a temple and they're they're very

00:48:38.220 to us they're very sacred that I mean

00:48:40.500 that we sift the dirt like 10 feet from

00:48:43.740 the topsoil to take out any

00:48:45.800 imperfections in the make sure no there's

00:48:47.680 no bottle caps and we take it seriously

00:48:50.440 and it's sacred ground when my faith

00:48:55.280 found out that there was a synagogue on

00:48:59.280 the other side which they knew but they

00:49:01.480 had never heard that they that that the

00:49:05.200 community the religious community says

00:49:07.240 there's a Mormon tax because on one

00:49:10.240 side of the temple the houses are cheaper

00:49:12.220 than the other side because it takes the

00:49:14.940 property is so huge that it takes I think

00:49:17.820 it's an extra three-quarters of a mile

00:49:19.360 walk so people want to live on the other

00:49:21.580 side my faith is putting a gate which I

00:49:27.020 have never ever seen I think it's the

00:49:29.440 first time in our history that we're

00:49:31.780 putting a gate on our fence so the

00:49:35.160 religious people the religious community

00:49:39.940 can walk across our property to get and

00:49:45.180 not be and not have to worry about well I

00:49:48.940 have to pay more to live on this side

00:49:51.200 because of this property blocking the

00:49:53.280 way credible I want you to know that

00:49:56.020 there are there are millions of Christians

00:49:59.800 who are not like this neighbor and this

00:50:02.880 HOA and we are not living in the 1930s and

00:50:06.980 the 1940s anymore and there are millions of

00:50:10.780 Christians of of all kinds of faith that

00:50:13.800 feel that way what's happening here is

00:50:16.760 wrong what is happening here is sheer

00:50:21.280 bigotry it is clear sheer bigotry so

00:50:25.120 how can we help well I like to say this

00:50:27.360 is the only case we have going on and

00:50:29.120 this is the only situation but we

00:50:30.880 represent other synagogues throughout

00:50:32.380 the country we represent other churches

00:50:34.060 and other religious bodies throughout the

00:50:35.640 country all over the United States that

00:50:37.920 are fearing the same issue here in fact

00:50:39.300 we were looking into a situation right

00:50:41.100 now where they describe themselves as an

00:50:42.700 underground synagogue for fear of the

00:50:44.680 local community arising against them on

00:50:46.280 these issues but I would encourage folks

00:50:48.760 to go to firstliberty.org let us figure

00:50:51.300 out how we can help you if you've got a

00:50:52.740 situation if it's your Bible study if

00:50:54.820 it's your Sabbath worship whatever it

00:50:56.260 might be you're having an issue with

00:50:58.120 religious land use let us work with you

00:51:00.460 let us evaluate that situation for those

00:51:02.720 of you that aren't facing that issue I

00:51:04.720 want you to understand we provide legal

00:51:06.460 services to Rabbi Rich and others pro

00:51:08.720 bono it's for free he'll never get a bill

00:51:11.500 from us and the good news is we usually

00:51:14.720 win our cases at first liberty so if if

00:51:17.520 you're able to if you need help go to

00:51:19.180 firstliberty.org let us help you out but

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00:51:23.180 help us provide these legal services go

00:51:25.500 to firstliberty.org and invest in these

00:51:27.280 types of issues how how what's the next

00:51:30.340 turn in this case well we filed our appeal

00:51:33.400 of the city's denial and we're really

00:51:36.100 really just hoping for as I mentioned an

00:51:38.080 amicable resolution that allows our

00:51:39.920 congregants to pray where they they live

00:51:42.360 and to live where they pray that's what

00:51:44.440 we want to happen you're not alone

00:51:47.800 you're not alone Rabbi and it won't

00:51:51.680 stand it won't stand God is a God of

00:51:55.680 miracles and it won't stand thank you

00:51:58.400 thank you for your support and for

00:52:00.940 getting our message out we appreciate

00:52:02.720 anything we can do you let us know and

00:52:05.140 anything we can do first liberty you let

00:52:07.180 us know and please keep us up to date on

00:52:10.200 this story will do thank you thank you

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00:53:52.060 Glenn back I mean what's truly remarkable

00:53:55.720 about that story is this congregation

00:53:58.680 this is not like a new neighborhood this

00:54:01.340 is a this is a neighborhood that has had a

00:54:03.260 congregation of Jewish people for 20 years

00:54:06.700 the the I'm sorry I don't remember what

00:54:09.340 it's called again he just said what was it

00:54:10.860 the aerial it's an aerial wire that goes

00:54:13.360 around right I had never heard of that

00:54:15.680 before I pride myself in having almost no

00:54:18.280 cultural knowledge whatsoever a roof is

00:54:21.460 that a RUV maybe and it's a it's a wire that

00:54:26.000 goes all the way around the the district if

00:54:29.480 you will of the synagogue okay and so you

00:54:32.060 have to stay within that wire it's how

00:54:34.360 many steps you can take you know it's all

00:54:35.960 Torah stuff all Old Testament and so it it

00:54:39.700 is a defining wire and it also has other

00:54:44.220 things to it I don't know please forgive me

00:54:48.560 if you're Jewish but it but it's really

00:54:52.400 important in fact the rabbi has to walk it

00:54:54.620 every week like Thursday and if it is broken

00:54:58.400 the city at least in New York the city had to

00:55:00.740 come up and repair it so they would walk

00:55:03.400 every Thursday and it has to be repaired

00:55:06.960 before the Sabbath so it's a really big

00:55:09.940 deal right that's not something like hey

00:55:12.600 we're just moving in and just gonna have a

00:55:14.300 Bible study no no this is completely

00:55:16.960 different this is completely different I

00:55:19.300 don't know why the Bible study person keeps

00:55:20.660 sounding so crazy when you imitate him but

00:55:22.880 why does he sound like I don't know I don't

00:55:28.740 know but I mean it's just because it's

00:55:30.540 because it's just anybody could do that

00:55:32.460 anybody you know what I mean and and you

00:55:34.020 can move it if you need to right I mean if

00:55:35.800 I was having a Bible study and we could go

00:55:37.400 over to Pat's house or we go over to your

00:55:39.020 house and we can drive that's not the same

00:55:42.040 with a Torah study another question that

00:55:44.060 popped into my head as we're listening to

00:55:45.660 this is why on earth would you want to live

00:55:47.720 in a community if you felt this way about

00:55:49.740 the people in it you move into a Jewish

00:55:52.100 community and you just harass them for

00:55:54.240 for years like what what is that let me

00:55:57.060 ask you what's easier for that one guy to

00:55:59.620 move or for 25 families to move yeah and

00:56:02.720 why did he move there in the first place

00:56:05.920 I don't know this has been there for a

00:56:07.340 long time why move into that community

00:56:09.620 probably because he didn't know how would

00:56:12.080 you not know you've got a wire a ground

00:56:14.500 in no you don't really notice those things

00:56:16.720 unless you know you don't notice I mean

00:56:18.680 it's a big deal seems incredibly

00:56:21.120 unlikely you didn't look at the house on

00:56:23.240 a Friday and Saturday and saw a bunch of

00:56:25.060 Orthodox the real estate agent doesn't

00:56:26.640 know about that I mean what are the odds

00:56:28.200 of it I mean it's yeah like I don't know

00:56:30.580 it seems like it's just a harassment

00:56:31.960 issue it is a harassment and it seems like

00:56:34.540 an anti-semitic harassment and it's got to

00:56:37.240 stop

00:56:37.640 so I don't know about anybody else but I

00:56:41.740 had a hard time with the confirmation

00:56:43.260 hearings didn't even watch them

00:56:45.020 yesterday honestly we are we are really

00:56:48.340 becoming like I don't care anymore

00:56:50.300 this one is this one's really important

00:56:54.060 first of all Haspel is being confirmed now

00:56:58.460 for the director role of the CIA let me

00:57:03.520 tell you something looks can be deceiving

00:57:07.520 what do I mean she's the director of the CIA

00:57:12.660 she looks like I don't know everybody's mom

00:57:15.280 or grandma she totally reminds me of my

00:57:17.100 grandmother my mom's mom I mean she's just

00:57:19.540 like oh come on I just made you a pie and

00:57:22.580 I'm also the director of the CIA

00:57:24.200 looks are deceiving here a little bit and

00:57:30.140 quite honestly if she's ever done any

00:57:32.160 operations on her if she was ever an agent

00:57:34.440 that says to me that everything you've ever

00:57:38.300 heard that like the Tom Cruise of the world

00:57:40.800 you know never are hired by the CIA

00:57:43.960 everyone always says no the CIA you'll

00:57:46.220 never see them that they're they're so

00:57:48.320 plain Jane and normal that they just

00:57:51.400 blend in you would never hire a really

00:57:53.580 good-looking CIA agent well and she was

00:57:56.560 at least not that she's not a you know

00:57:58.700 what I mean not a not a model we knew

00:58:01.260 what you meant there a critique of

00:58:03.640 someone's appearance because she was

00:58:05.180 white no it's uh because she was the

00:58:07.940 talk was that she was this subject or at

00:58:10.940 least a partial inspiration for zero

00:58:12.640 dark 30 you remember that movie that

00:58:14.600 came out a few years ago which was an

00:58:16.500 awesome movie awesome but it was just

00:58:19.080 wasn't a Jessica Chastain and that which

00:58:21.180 I don't remember I don't think I saw

00:58:22.640 that one so good I mean it's such a good

00:58:25.640 movie but it shows it was what it was

00:58:28.120 the movie that a lot of people were

00:58:29.140 talking about at the time because it

00:58:30.100 showed how much information they

00:58:31.800 actually got out of the interrogations

00:58:34.840 and how effective they were which you

00:58:37.140 know is true you know a lot of people

00:58:39.720 like to say it's not I understand

00:58:41.380 there's people you know like John

00:58:42.340 McCain for example who's in the middle

00:58:44.180 you know he's in the middle of a real

00:58:45.400 struggle and he comes out and he's

00:58:47.200 still talking about how he you know

00:58:48.860 he's against torture and all those

00:58:50.460 things and it's I understand it and he

00:58:52.700 is a real point of evidence to have a

00:58:56.480 real strong opinion point right of

00:58:58.260 reference to have an incredibly strong

00:59:00.260 opinion and no one would hold you know

00:59:01.980 would hold back but you know the truth

00:59:05.000 is that it you know whether it's right

00:59:07.060 or wrong it does work and in this

00:59:09.700 particular circumstance it wasn't

00:59:11.560 torture in my opinion so but the movie

00:59:15.760 is fantastic I don't know that Jessica

00:59:17.440 Chastain and Gina has will really have

00:59:19.880 that much in common in several ways right

00:59:22.880 what I would say okay age for example

00:59:25.560 right they don't seem to be she does not

00:59:27.700 seem to be so you're an ageist okay I am

00:59:29.760 and we understand okay so here she is

00:59:31.820 now she's she is being questioned by

00:59:34.280 the people who were let's be honest

00:59:37.600 fine about all of this right after 9-11

00:59:41.040 yep and I remember saying to the CIA on

00:59:44.440 the air if you're a CIA person if you're

00:59:46.880 a military person you're asked to do this

00:59:48.660 make sure that the Senate and Congress

00:59:52.160 are on record because they're going to

00:59:55.560 turn around and blame you and that's

00:59:57.920 exactly what they've done okay so here

01:00:01.240 she is correcting Feinstein in his memoir

01:00:05.380 former CIA consul general John Rizzo

01:00:08.860 described how in 2005 Jose Rodriguez was

01:00:13.840 promoted to be deputy CIA director for

01:00:16.980 operations and installed as his chief of

01:00:20.220 staff an officer from the counterterrorist

01:00:23.160 center who had previously run the

01:00:26.260 interrogation program is that you

01:00:29.780 senator I'm so pleased you asked me that

01:00:33.820 question yes or no will do that no and

01:00:40.440 and for the record if you if you have

01:00:42.980 your staff check mr. Rizzo has issued a

01:00:45.560 correction it is it is true that it is

01:00:49.600 hard for in a secret understanding that

01:00:52.140 is not accurate recently confirmed that

01:00:54.580 it was you know he issued a correction

01:00:57.380 hmm and she does seem to be right on

01:01:01.260 that by the way there was a correction

01:01:02.780 issued many news sources there's been a

01:01:05.060 couple that have tried to hang by the

01:01:06.420 reporting against all evidence but it

01:01:10.820 does appear that she did not oversee

01:01:12.700 uh that those events I'm just having a

01:01:17.080 hard time seeing her you know be like

01:01:20.440 hmm you know what I'm busy I'm busy

01:01:24.620 right now I'm getting the kids off to

01:01:26.260 school and stuff but rip his fingernails

01:01:28.300 out I'm having there are biscuits in the

01:01:30.980 oven yeah and when we're done with that

01:01:32.480 we'll do the waterboarding I mean I'm

01:01:34.700 just having a hard time seeing her that

01:01:36.280 way but maybe that's just me but again I

01:01:38.180 you know a lot of this comes down to a

01:01:41.080 moment in time right and you know at the

01:01:43.720 time something that we do in training

01:01:45.900 for our military would never have been

01:01:49.100 considered torture when it comes to a

01:01:52.080 terrorist right around September 11th no

01:01:54.240 and again we do it to our own troops so

01:01:58.160 if we do it to our own troops why isn't

01:02:01.380 anybody up in arms that we that our

01:02:03.580 military is torturing our own military

01:02:06.120 you ever heard someone on the left come

01:02:08.160 out and say we need to stop this on our

01:02:09.500 troops never never never I'm never I'm

01:02:11.480 literally never heard it once I'm sure

01:02:13.000 somebody's done it at some point but I

01:02:15.000 mean I I've never heard lengthy pleas

01:02:18.840 about how important it is that we stop

01:02:21.080 waterboarding our troops during training

01:02:22.740 if it's torture of course you would want

01:02:26.160 that to stop immediately yep but it's

01:02:29.100 because they know it's not right they

01:02:31.280 know it's incredibly unpleasant they know

01:02:33.740 that it's incredibly effective they know

01:02:37.060 that they can win political points by

01:02:39.360 calling it torture those are the three

01:02:40.700 things they know so here here she is

01:02:43.640 answering a question taking Rhode Island

01:02:46.820 Democrat Senator Jack Reed to task

01:02:51.300 listen to this you have an operations

01:02:52.820 officer who is captured he's being

01:02:54.740 waterboarded I've asked you very simply

01:02:56.940 would you determine that to be immoral and

01:03:00.320 something that should never be done

01:03:02.340 condoned in any way shape or form your

01:03:05.320 response seems to be that civilized

01:03:08.840 nations don't do it but uncivilized

01:03:10.820 nations do it or uncivilized groups do it

01:03:13.620 the United States does a civilized nation a

01:03:16.140 civilized nation was doing it until it was

01:03:18.520 outlawed by this Congress senator I would

01:03:22.500 never obviously support inhumane treatment

01:03:26.760 of any CIA officers we've lost CIA officers

01:03:30.240 over the years to terrorists I just gave an

01:03:32.500 example

01:03:33.060 Khalid Sheikh Mohammed personally killed a

01:03:36.480 Wall Street Journal correspondent and

01:03:38.800 filmed that I don't think there's any

01:03:40.540 comparison between CIA officers serving

01:03:43.820 their country adhering to US law and

01:03:46.440 terrorists who by their very definition

01:03:48.460 are not following anybody's law but to the

01:03:51.820 people in Congress not so much even though

01:03:54.480 we told you this was going to happen and

01:03:58.720 we warned the CIA operatives they're a

01:04:01.080 weasel the minute they change their mind

01:04:03.200 the minute you've done I mean I mean how

01:04:05.060 many episodes of Jack Bauer do you need

01:04:06.680 to watch before you figure out that the

01:04:08.620 weasels in Washington are going to pin it

01:04:10.180 on you you know I mean it happens in every

01:04:13.220 single movie they they get what they want

01:04:17.220 and then they pin everything they told you

01:04:20.240 to do on you when the real culprit is a

01:04:23.400 Nazi businessman who's manipulating innocent

01:04:26.540 Muslims into terrorism for oil for oil

01:04:28.920 she's yeah let me let me give one more

01:04:32.600 now here's a CNN contributor his name is

01:04:35.280 Phil Mudd he was with the CIA don't

01:04:39.060 usually agree with Phil Mudd but I do this

01:04:42.300 time listen to this I was among the CIA

01:04:45.060 officers 15 years ago who spoke with the

01:04:48.320 Congress in detail about the techniques we

01:04:50.540 used they told us this was not tortured

01:04:53.000 that it complied with the Constitution and

01:04:55.060 it complied with US law you can vote

01:04:57.280 against Gina Haspel but don't give me the

01:04:59.200 collective amnesia about how it's on CIA I

01:05:01.900 want to talk to the senators who told us

01:05:03.880 that they represented American values

01:05:06.100 and conveniently in 2002 and 2003 this

01:05:09.400 represented American values now that we

01:05:11.580 don't face the same threat and that we

01:05:13.060 have different senators it's okay to

01:05:14.820 attack one of my former colleagues I am

01:05:16.900 pissed off this is collective amnesia we

01:05:19.840 didn't do it America did it get over it

01:05:22.840 totally right you gonna be a CIA agent if

01:05:28.540 you think that the government can turn on

01:05:30.800 you and say wait a minute what you did

01:05:33.380 which was law and which was fine at the

01:05:35.020 time we're now gonna destroy you no way

01:05:38.260 it's the only positive about not having

01:05:40.780 term limits is that many of these senators

01:05:43.220 were in I mean they were actually did

01:05:45.560 meetings on the civil war the Gulf War

01:05:49.680 yeah and and the in the war in Iraq and

01:05:52.220 and because of that you know people like

01:05:54.820 Feinstein were around for those briefings

01:05:56.580 they were there they knew these things

01:05:58.780 happened and they're just lying to you

01:06:00.040 now when Feinstein says she remembers the

01:06:01.820 Cold War she's most likely talking about

01:06:03.860 the Revolutionary War when they had to

01:06:05.380 burn firewood so cold cold war I just

01:06:09.460 remember it being very cold crossing that

01:06:12.100 river in the winter are you kidding me I

01:06:14.880 said I'm not getting into the boat all

01:06:18.280 right let me tell you about a gold line

01:06:20.900 the volatility in the world can you think

01:06:26.040 of a time Stu that is more I mean up in

01:06:30.000 the air right now where you'd really

01:06:31.680 don't know what's gonna happen tomorrow

01:06:33.440 as far as the globe yeah I mean geez the

01:06:36.720 Middle East is and and the good thing is

01:06:38.800 there is maybe it comes out okay on the

01:06:41.200 other end we really don't know we have

01:06:43.980 no idea that's why we're sending people

01:06:45.800 into the Middle East for our reporters

01:06:47.480 please pray for them you guys be there

01:06:50.920 just look for things falling on you if

01:06:53.740 there's something that looks very bright

01:06:55.480 and it's coming towards you go the other

01:06:57.280 direction right who look at the pretty

01:07:00.400 falling star run anyway things are you

01:07:05.200 know all up in the air yesterday it

01:07:07.620 could be the beginning of a war between

01:07:09.320 Israel and Iran and that is the next war

01:07:13.220 whether it started or that last night or

01:07:15.400 not I don't know next week my gosh we're

01:07:18.900 opening the embassy there in Jerusalem

01:07:21.580 what it what what could happen there how

01:07:25.680 about North Korea

01:07:26.600 even if things stay stable and the economy

01:07:31.460 continues to grow inflation is going to

01:07:33.980 grow as well because we're starting to

01:07:36.240 spend the money and that's when inflation

01:07:39.180 happens and so our interest rates like

01:07:41.320 Venezuela announced Friday 40% interest

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01:07:56.060 in kind of thing gold is a hedge so when

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01:08:02.080 that's the way it works something that's

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01:08:45.640 sarah can we play um the the google announcement

01:08:53.420 yesterday or day before yesterday uh where

01:08:56.560 they they talked about the new google

01:08:58.720 assistant and how good it's going to be uh

01:09:02.500 and and i want to play the one if we can uh

01:09:05.000 with the chinese restaurant i mean here's you

01:09:07.720 know what it's like talking to siri it's it's

01:09:10.000 you know it's like talking to a computer you you

01:09:12.700 they understand half of what you're saying

01:09:15.640 um but technology has grown a great deal and

01:09:21.740 we are helping it with google home and and

01:09:24.220 all of these things it's learning how to

01:09:26.340 communicate listen to how now the new google

01:09:29.780 assistant can navigate language so well it's

01:09:33.340 calling this chinese restaurant trying to

01:09:35.440 make uh an appointment or a or a reservation

01:09:39.200 for for four people a week from wednesday and the the one trying to get the

01:09:47.500 reservation is the computer the guy the guy is the computer

01:09:51.500 let's say you want to call a restaurant but maybe it's a small restaurant which is

01:09:55.660 not easily available to book online the call actually goes a bit

01:09:59.900 differently than expected so take a listen

01:10:02.800 for seven people um it's for four people for people when

01:10:19.320 um next wednesday at six pm oh actually we leave here for like

01:10:27.460 after like five people for four people you can come

01:10:31.140 how long is the wait usually to uh be seated

01:10:35.120 for when tomorrow or weekday or

01:10:39.080 for next wednesday uh the seven

01:10:42.360 oh no it's not too busy you you can count for four people okay

01:10:47.320 oh i got you thanks

01:10:50.460 unbelievable

01:10:53.080 it's like improv-ing unbelievable so this is all good

01:10:58.520 they also announced that soon google's going to be able to write emails

01:11:02.100 for you in your voice i mean imagine the scandals you'll have you know

01:11:08.200 because like the anthony weiner excuse when he was starting texting you know

01:11:11.680 pictures to nine-year-olds uh was like oh i got hacked that's kind of a

01:11:15.980 standard excuse now of course hacking is real and sometimes you could

01:11:19.840 theoretically be hacked but it's usually just an excuse

01:11:22.520 the same thing is going to apply here oh google wrote that even i didn't even

01:11:25.680 write it do you remember eight months ago

01:11:27.880 um i had william hurtling on he's an author

01:11:31.040 i read about five of his books all in like a week

01:11:34.120 a week and a half yeah um i think it was the avogadro

01:11:37.520 corp uh was the name of his book that

01:11:41.200 it's start it's the first in the series and it starts

01:11:44.920 with ai writing email

01:11:48.480 email and what links it will go to to to accomplish its goals which are your

01:11:55.720 goals or in his case the inventor's goal

01:11:58.540 um it has access to everything for it to

01:12:03.420 learn and write in your voice and know what

01:12:08.420 is what you want it has to read everything it has to read all of your email

01:12:13.460 has to listen to your conversations has to uh read your facebook your

01:12:18.280 interactions with people on facebook i mean it is you want to talk about no

01:12:24.480 privacy this would be it we say well i don't

01:12:28.940 want google is google reading my email

01:12:30.800 now they're going to openly admit it when they say oh by the way they can write

01:12:38.480 emails for you but it's got to read all of your email it's reading it it's

01:12:43.220 understanding it it's understanding the person on the

01:12:46.560 other end it's all connected i mean it is a brave new world that is

01:12:52.060 coming our way we have franklin foyer on um he is a guy who wrote a really

01:12:58.620 pretty bone-chilling article about deep fakes and how you're not going to have

01:13:04.060 real privacy and you're not really going to be able to believe your eyes

01:13:08.240 at all on anything very very soon name of his book is world without mind the

01:13:14.460 existential threat to big tech he joins us to talk about this next

01:13:19.780 in the high-tech world of espionage sometimes the best way to steal

01:13:25.580 information may still be the old school spycraft like you know talking to humans

01:13:30.520 and writing things down on paper of course it's also the old school way of

01:13:35.220 getting caught and that is exactly what happened to

01:13:37.620 former cia agent jerry chung shin lee hadn't been easy to catch him he's a 53

01:13:43.380 year old guy he was naturalized u.s citizen joined the cia in 1994 he left in

01:13:48.460 2007 and his main job for the cia was recruiting

01:13:52.120 clandestine human intelligence sources from his base in hong kong now lee is

01:13:57.540 suspected of giving the chinese information that caused the death or

01:14:00.920 imprisonment of 20 american agents in china starting in 2010 the cia began to

01:14:08.080 notice that all of our agents started to just disappear in china the cia

01:14:13.080 suspected that there was a traitor and so they asked the fbi to investigate

01:14:17.520 two years later the fbi suspected lee so they lured him with a phony job offer

01:14:23.140 to get him to fly to the u.s from his home in hong kong during the trip they

01:14:28.480 searched his hotel rooms in hawaii and virginia and they found two notebooks

01:14:32.880 containing handwritten lists of names and phone numbers of the covert cia agents

01:14:37.880 and informants in china the notebooks also had notes from asset meetings

01:14:42.440 meeting locations and locations of covert facilities in china so they went to

01:14:49.100 work and they built their case took several years the fbi finally got their

01:14:53.620 chance to arrest lee in january when he took a commercial flight from hong kong

01:14:57.980 to new york city and yesterday a federal grand jury charged him with

01:15:02.460 illegally possessing classified information prosecutors say chinese agents

01:15:07.520 offered lee a gift of a hundred thousand dollars in exchange for his

01:15:11.960 cooperation and a promise that they would take care of him for life

01:15:15.520 all they wanted were the names of people that worked for the cia imagine

01:15:22.380 giving up 20 lives for a hundred thousand dollars

01:15:27.060 prosecutors say lee prepared written reports for the chinese deposited hundreds of

01:15:32.820 thousands of dollars in cash in his personal accounts and lied to the fbi about

01:15:37.400 his activities overseas this is a devastating betrayal for our cia and our

01:15:44.160 intelligence agencies foremost because of the executed agents but also because

01:15:49.520 the massive amounts of time it takes to groom new sources and informants this is

01:15:53.640 not something that the united states is going to recover from quickly if it is

01:15:59.120 confirmed that lee's information was the cause of the death and imprisonment of 20

01:16:03.400 agents in china it will be the worst intelligence brief uh breach since um robert hansen do you

01:16:10.320 remember him he was caught passing secrets to russia in the 1990s and you remember what a big deal

01:16:15.720 that was now has anybody even heard of this guy so far lee has only been charged with possessing

01:16:24.240 classified information but he still could get life if he's convicted here's what you need to know

01:16:30.180 today make no mistake about it we are deep into some sort of a new war and perhaps it's a cold war

01:16:38.060 with china but this time china has eclipsed russia as our chief rival in that cold war

01:16:46.380 it's thursday may 10th you're listening to the glenbeck program

01:16:54.840 so on this program we've been talking about technology uh quite a bit over the last few

01:17:01.900 years the good things and the bad things the good things that are coming our way the profound

01:17:07.260 opportunities that are coming our way because of technology the problems that that technology

01:17:12.800 may cause for instance you know jobs we're looking at the job numbers upside down people who are

01:17:20.680 working on ai and robotics are looking at how can we have 100 unemployment so everybody can enjoy their

01:17:27.880 lives well with that comes some ethical questions and some philosophical questions and and the question

01:17:33.900 of how do we navigate that transition there's also privacy concerns and concerns about what's real

01:17:40.980 and what's not way beyond fake news there's a new book out um called world without mind it was

01:17:49.100 written by franklin uh foyer and he wrote an article that caught my eye a few weeks ago in the atlantic

01:17:55.240 the era of fake news begins and we wanted to have a conversation with him uh franklin welcome to the program

01:18:01.300 thank you so much so franklin we talked about deep fakes um i think before anybody and at least our

01:18:08.240 audience had really even heard of them and at the time i remember talking to people even on my own

01:18:14.140 staff that said glenn this is so far away and it's really not you know i kept saying to them i think in

01:18:19.940 the you know 2018 2020 definitely 2024 this is going to be a very big problem it's happening now and it's

01:18:30.120 just happening in the dark corners of the internet and um largely in the field of pornography where

01:18:36.860 so much of the internet actually begins before it migrates to the mainstream and it's this it's

01:18:42.820 this phenomenon where the average person now has access to technology that allows them to take a head

01:18:51.440 a picture of someone's face and very seamlessly uh transpose it to a body and so you're creating these

01:18:59.980 uh manipulated images which to the naked eye are very hard to detect as fakes and so we just know

01:19:08.840 that um that a technology like this is not going to stay bottled up it's going to be exploited by bad

01:19:15.720 people for bad ends and the fact that it's so democratized and so accessible to every every creep

01:19:24.620 everybody who's got an ex who's out for revenge um to co-workers i mean it really is a dystopian world

01:19:33.180 which we stand on the cusp of so you know you can't put the genie back in the bottle and i and

01:19:40.900 and i am i am really truly excited about the world of tomorrow but i am i'm split franklin between

01:19:49.340 if we don't do it right if we are not paying attention every step of the way and we don't

01:19:55.380 have some sort of of uh uh i don't know self-control yeah which we don't display in anything that we do

01:20:06.040 we could become slaves to this really quickly well i mean i think every everyone experiences that sense

01:20:15.760 of both possibility and enslavement when it comes to that device that we're all attached to now which

01:20:22.100 is our phone that we're we're addicted to our phones we're constantly manipulated by our phones

01:20:28.780 which uh are being used by corporations and by media to try to commandeer our attention on you know

01:20:38.440 an hourly basis we're always being dinged and pinged um and yet um we know that our phones

01:20:45.460 offer us uh great possibilities that make our lives better more efficient in all sorts of ways

01:20:50.420 and you raise this question of moderation and i do think that that kind of gets to the core

01:20:56.340 challenge to each and every one of us which is that when it comes to things like food and drink

01:21:01.940 which are also addictive right like if you stuck a bag of uh doritos in front of uh most human beings

01:21:09.620 they'd be tempted to polish it off or um uh and yet we still manage to teach our kids how to practice

01:21:17.320 moderation when it comes to those effective things we know how to enjoy food without

01:21:22.900 but we've yeah but we've had millions of years to come to that and we've had a shortage of food

01:21:30.820 this is for instance the google assistant that was announced earlier this week

01:21:34.880 that is going to be just that is revolutionary in good um in so many ways but if you look at what

01:21:42.340 they're talking about on on being able to have it now write all of your emails well the logical thing

01:21:47.780 is we're right now saying i don't want google reading my mail well google's going to be reading

01:21:53.460 your mail and your facebook and it's reading it now sorry yeah but but it's going to read your

01:21:59.660 facebook it's going to read everything about your friends how you communicate it's going to learn

01:22:04.580 how to speak like you and write like you and interact with your friends that that now you're in a

01:22:11.980 completely different world yeah no i think that that is true and so um you know and i think what

01:22:19.960 you're saying is that we're actually in this world now and and there's a way in which we can't stop it

01:22:26.340 that a lot of these things that we worry about as distant possibilities are actually happening

01:22:31.000 today that google's machines are reading your email now and they're using it to serve ads up to you

01:22:37.120 um that this complete dossier about you this very intimate portrait of the inside of your head

01:22:43.920 has actually already been compiled by facebook by google i mean people people are just uh very blase

01:22:51.600 about data but data is really an x-ray of your soul that these these companies have amassed these

01:22:57.960 portraits where they they know everything that you've read everything that you've bought it's

01:23:02.020 integrated with data from the outside world from the physical world about your shopping you know the cvs

01:23:07.900 loyalty cards and it's a very very powerful uh thing this portrait it can be manipulated really easily

01:23:14.880 and in fact it is manipulated by the likes of facebook where facebook is facebook knows the things that

01:23:22.380 gives you pleasure they know the things that cause you an anxiety and you know what your news feed

01:23:28.980 is shaped so that the things that you were reading are given a hierarchy by facebook based on those

01:23:36.560 pleasure points and those anxieties because facebook wants to keep you engaged on their site for as long

01:23:42.640 as possible and so that's a you know those technologies and that that that portrait of the inside of your head

01:23:50.060 that comes from data is just it leaves us tremendously vulnerable you brought something up in your book

01:23:57.540 that um was a new way of looking at this uh at least for me i've never heard anybody else express it

01:24:03.600 um this way um and and you know nothing is for free when google says i here's here's this it's free

01:24:14.080 there's this free product it's not free uh in fact it's not a product you are and the way these companies

01:24:24.220 are now viewing us as a product the information is really important can you go into the productization of

01:24:35.900 people right so it's your attention which uh you you're handing over to these companies it's your

01:24:45.560 personal information which you inadvertently hand over to these companies they then get

01:24:51.440 marketed to advertisers and um you know everyone says well you know what it's this great deal you get

01:24:59.300 google's email for free and sure you're surrendering surrendering your privacy um in order to get that

01:25:05.560 that that awesome service but that's a price that you seem to be willing to pay um but this question

01:25:12.780 of consent how much do we really understand about what we hand over to these companies when we click

01:25:19.240 accept on those terms of service agreements those terms of service agreements are legalistic and

01:25:26.320 they're long and i haven't met a single person who's ever read one of those we just we just click

01:25:32.480 accept because we we we we we treat these companies as if they're acting in good faith um we feel like

01:25:41.240 we have to accept their services because um you you need to be on facebook in order to be a citizen of

01:25:48.400 the world um sometimes your employer tells you you have to be on facebook in order to um be engaged in

01:25:56.140 in business um and so i think that we just need to i mean part of it is our it yeah it is on us it is

01:26:03.060 our own fault for not taking uh not taking the threats to our own privacy seriously and it's on us

01:26:10.440 for not thinking through these things in a more um in a more in a more rigorous sort of way but on the

01:26:17.680 other hand we're just left kind of unprotected and vulnerable and these companies actually behave so

01:26:23.200 much worse than we think that they do um i mean all these companies are selling data to outside

01:26:30.140 vendors they're giving access to our data to outside vendors and once it leaves the control of

01:26:35.920 facebook who knows where it ends up and who knows who's exploiting it and and when you talk about

01:26:43.160 exploitation of this i want to take you to another place we can take a quick break and then come back

01:26:49.340 and i want i want franklin to describe the exploitation that is on the horizon on how easily

01:26:57.640 you can be manipulated uh and and especially with things like virtual reality you're not going to

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01:28:26.840 or preparewithglenn.com franklin for he is the um he's a correspondent with the atlantic and author

01:28:34.780 of a book called world without mind uh he wrote an article called the era of fake news begins uh and

01:28:42.060 you know we're complaining back and forth about you know uh the right is saying fake news the left is

01:28:48.800 saying fake news we're worried about algorithms etc etc but we're about to enter a very different world

01:28:54.960 um and can we talk a little bit about uh first let's explain what a deep fake is and and how that could

01:29:03.800 be used to manipulate and then i really want to go into virtual reality because that can change

01:29:09.600 everything if we're being manipulated right right and so a deep fake is um it is a technology that uses

01:29:18.840 machine learning which is a form of artificial intelligence in order to stitch together an image

01:29:25.600 so for instance it's possible to create an image of uh barack obama talking where uh you're taking a

01:29:35.600 catalog of of of of picture of images of barack obama's face you're able to then manipulate into

01:29:44.800 a video where his lips are moving as if barack obama is uh is is actually talking um yet it's really just a

01:29:54.400 computer that's manipulating those images of his lips talking and then um and then there's the

01:30:00.000 possibility that we can that that a voice can be manipulated by artificial intelligence to then

01:30:05.820 say whatever we program it to say and in fact i recommend there's a pretty hilarious um public

01:30:13.040 service announcement uh that's done by jordan peele the comedian where he does this with barack obama where

01:30:19.220 he he he he barack obama looks like he's delivering a sermon about the dangers of deep fakes and and in

01:30:27.000 the middle of this uh video clip they then cut to the comedian jordan peele and we see that he's actually

01:30:34.400 impersonating obama and that obama isn't saying the things that we think that he's saying it's being said

01:30:39.900 by this kind of uh puppeteer um who's uh using obama as a ventriloquist and the dangers of that should be

01:30:48.140 obvious right right well and once you get the voice right which just voice uh duplication the the the

01:30:56.140 the ground that has been covered and how good it is from you know two years ago to today is remarkable

01:31:03.400 we're not far away from being able to recreate people's voices but when you watch that video the only

01:31:09.360 thing that's off is the voice once you get the voice you wouldn't you would swear that that was barack

01:31:16.140 obama right exactly and in the nature of our machines is that the more data we feed to them

01:31:23.560 the better that they get correct they're constantly teaching themselves to improve and so um just given

01:31:31.160 the data that that we're it is good back to the conversation before the break when we give these

01:31:36.640 companies um our data every time we click on facebook every time we click on google every time you um

01:31:44.480 you do all these little things on the internet you're actually supplying the data that makes

01:31:48.760 these machines better that makes it possible to get to this kind of new dystopian age that we're

01:31:55.860 talking about how far away do you think we are from this new dystopian age well i think we're in

01:32:02.320 we're kind of in it now we're just in the earliest days and it's just hard to see a lot of the

01:32:09.900 consequences when it comes to something like deep fakes and the and rampant manipulation of video i

01:32:15.640 think we're still maybe you know two or three years away from it becoming something that populates

01:32:21.840 people's social media feeds and actually has real impacts and yeah in our politics and in our social

01:32:28.020 lives um but you know the question the question that everybody always is asking is you know have we

01:32:36.860 already left the age where private is privacy over is there any is there any chance that we can

01:32:43.780 salvage this distinction between a public life and a private life um can we can we can we take a break

01:32:51.040 here let's take a break here and when we come back i want you to explain that i also want to go into

01:32:56.880 virtual reality a little bit on what is private anymore will you have privacy anymore we'll wrap up our

01:33:06.060 conversation uh with franklin for world without mind is the name of his book coming up it's that

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01:34:11.920 the era of fake news franklin for he is a uh he's a writer has a book out called the world without

01:34:21.260 mind the existential threat of big tech uh and uh he is also a correspondent for the atlantic where he

01:34:29.400 wrote that article the era of fake news begins um we're just talking about we left the conversation

01:34:35.180 with with privacy and and franklin people will say well i'm not doing anything wrong so i don't mind if

01:34:41.380 they have it um however everything is starting to be connected and there is no end or beginning of your

01:34:51.320 private life and your public life and we are seeing not some dystopian movie but we're actually seeing

01:35:00.240 a government implement all of these dystopian ideas in china yes yes yes and that's i mean there are two

01:35:09.600 things that really concern me the first is that um that over time when we feel like somebody's always

01:35:17.200 looking over our shoulder will cease to be pre-thinking independent people that in order to

01:35:24.100 formulate an opinion in order to arrive at your own view of the world um you need to be guided by

01:35:30.680 your conscience and in order to do that you need to be able to turn over ideas in your head so if i'm

01:35:37.820 going to explore an idea i may go read people who i really disagree with in order to figure it out i need

01:35:44.140 to try on things i need to i need to engage i may engage with some odious people in in the course of

01:35:50.500 formulating my opinion i shouldn't be i shouldn't have to worry about that but we've already i mean

01:35:56.200 without technology we have already passed that i mean that's kind of this you know intellectual dark

01:36:02.340 web thing that is so appealing to me is i i we have to hear ideas we have ideas are not dangerous

01:36:11.960 you know they they can be if they're implemented but we need to hear all viewpoints and be allowed

01:36:19.240 to say wait a minute i think that's a crazy idea we have to have that yeah well and it's i mean but

01:36:27.040 but we're really not in an especially bad place yet relative to where we could be so right now you can

01:36:34.280 still if you want to if you want to find somebody's book you can find it on amazon you're not going to

01:36:38.740 lose your job you don't at least i don't think you should fear losing your job because you go buy

01:36:43.720 a book on amazon or you go to check out a piece on google or you listen to somebody's youtube channel

01:36:48.820 but you can easily imagine that once that information becomes kind of more transparently

01:36:54.160 available to everyone then you actually will that chilling effect will will take place and you will be

01:37:01.040 scared to do something like that and one of the things that i mean the the the atlantic is the place

01:37:06.660 that fired uh kevin uh williams uh i mean it was williamson i mean that was pretty chilling he had

01:37:13.660 an idea and said something and it was you know to to put a thought out there and it was i you know not

01:37:19.460 a thought i agree with but he lost his job it was publicly available and it was it's more complicated

01:37:26.280 than just uh it's an idea it had to do with the way that it was it was expressed in communications

01:37:33.680 between the editor and writer which is a question where there's trust involved and so that's that's a

01:37:39.140 it's a different a different question um but but you're right i mean we're not that far off yeah

01:37:45.880 from this universe and in the china example you just gave at the beginning i find especially chilling

01:37:52.360 very much this question of like this question of how do we deal with these companies how do we deal

01:37:56.760 with this data the idea that ultimately we could end up having a relationship brokered between big

01:38:04.080 companies and the government which is what what happened plenty of times in our past history like

01:38:09.320 at&t yep was a monopoly that basically cut a deal with the government and uh you know zuckerberg was

01:38:16.200 asked by uh one of the senators um you know you're a monopoly uh maybe we should just regulate you

01:38:23.020 and he said you know what the internet needs to be regulated and it was lindsey graham and lindsey

01:38:28.000 graham said well can you submit can you submit a set of regulations that might work to us so we can

01:38:33.000 consider them and just this idea that you could have this uh brokered relationship between these

01:38:39.820 companies that control so much data that have so much manipulative power and the government is

01:38:44.380 something that i think that we actually need to be fearful of in the long run and so my my approach

01:38:50.660 and i think this is an interesting place where um we're seeing ideology fracture and strange

01:38:56.120 bedfellows start to come up is that we're starting to talk about monopoly again in this country that

01:39:02.660 you know liberals typically uh fear private power conservatives typically fear public power

01:39:10.140 um but we're in this realm where you know our founders were worried about dangerous concentrations

01:39:15.740 of power in all forms and they were especially concerned about dangerous concentrations of power

01:39:21.960 when it came to areas of communication so um and it yeah go ahead and finish up well i just wanted

01:39:30.060 to say one thing which is that you know at the beginning you made the point which i agree with which

01:39:35.900 is that you know this technology is both empowering and it's dangerous uh but i want you know there's

01:39:42.840 something you know technology is something that's defined us as a human species our ability to affect

01:39:48.380 the environment is something that kind of rises above all the other species on this planet

01:39:53.620 and we've always used tools and technology and they've automated hammers automate part of uh what we do with

01:40:01.600 our with our bodies factories automated upper body strength but these machines are different because

01:40:07.420 they're intellectual technologies they automate mental functions and we're merging with them as a species

01:40:13.820 that you know man and machine is are becoming one sergey brin who's the co-founder of google

01:40:19.580 talks about the day when google will be implanted in your brain and i don't think that that's necessarily

01:40:25.800 such a distant fantasy no i think it's what it's what stephen hawking referred to uh as the end of

01:40:32.580 homo sapiens as we know it by 2050 he just means that we are going to integrate with technology

01:40:38.300 franklin i've got to go but i i'd love to have you back to finish this conversation uh another time

01:40:43.840 world without mind the name of the book extensional threat of big tech thank you so much franklin i

01:40:49.700 appreciate it thank you so much you bet you know one of the things that we you know i disagree with

01:40:58.980 on the on the atlantic uh point with with kevin williamson um but we are getting closer and closer

01:41:06.080 to the the government taking control of everything look at what president uh trump is talking about

01:41:15.620 now i mean he's got a it just has a really great thing he just did with south korea and on the heels

01:41:21.540 of that we're talking about uh you know picking and choosing which reporters are going to be able

01:41:29.040 to ask questions of the president that's extraordinarily dangerous welcome back to the

01:41:33.180 program pat gray thank you yeah he he uh tweeted out fake news is working overtime just reported that

01:41:39.100 despite the tremendous success we're having with the economy and all things else 91 of network news

01:41:45.400 about me is negative fake why do we work so hard in working with the media when it is corrupt

01:41:51.460 take away credentials uh no no no and and by the way negative doesn't necessarily mean fake

01:42:00.040 uh it right no so that's not necessarily the same thing and i mean he is right about the coverage

01:42:07.800 though because the uh media research center just did a study of abc cbs and uh nbc and the evening

01:42:15.760 news nine out of ten things that weren't uh neutral were negative so about 91 which is incredible and

01:42:24.060 unfair it is incredible you know i mean like we've had such we've had a few good things today obviously

01:42:29.020 the north korea thing also five of the top isis leaders have been captured today another really good

01:42:36.260 thing i mean the split should certainly not be 91 now you know you can't fill a room of reporters

01:42:42.980 that are all trump supporters and get your news either no we didn't like it when they they filled

01:42:49.240 a room full of obama supporters because not because they were doing anything funky just because everybody

01:42:56.700 except the fox news guy and jake tapper were in the bag you know what i mean hey how are you enchanted

01:43:03.320 we can't have that the press must be adversarial to power it has to be and when even matt drudge

01:43:12.020 is worried about it i mean matt drudge is there anybody who's been more supportive of donald trump

01:43:17.260 steve bannon drudge maybe not even i mean apparently yeah you're right i mean trump never fired drudge

01:43:24.440 right but drudge said anyone um he said i fear in the future uh the result of trump's crusade on fake

01:43:32.320 news will be licensing of all reporters dem's already float floated this in the senate pre-trump

01:43:37.380 the mop up on this issue is going to be excruciating and he also brought up what trump might start now

01:43:44.060 his successor could finish oh yeah in a really bad way oh yeah and we remember i talked a million times yes

01:43:51.660 yes i talked to i talked to ted koppel before trump was in and he said you know we need to have

01:43:57.400 license and i said no we don't no no we don't he said we can't just have anybody yes we can right yes

01:44:03.520 we can it requires us as citizens to do our homework that's the thing nobody wants to do any work well

01:44:09.660 well then fine you're going to become a prisoner because somebody is going to go down this road and

01:44:16.660 we must be the side that says no i disagree with them i think they're dishonest but we're not we are

01:44:25.800 not going to violate the first amendment and the free press you you have a right you know this this all

01:44:33.040 came from uh uh from pamphleteers you know at the time you didn't have radio you didn't have television

01:44:41.080 you didn't have talk shows you had people who were given speeches and they'd write those speeches down and

01:44:46.220 then they'd sell them on the street and well they weren't licensed that wasn't journalism that's

01:44:51.880 not in the paper no because those were the guys telling the truth and that's why that is part of

01:44:58.060 they were the blog sites of the revolutionary war and they're the ones who changed it you cannot

01:45:05.580 start to license people to express a point of view or report news and on the other side because

01:45:12.220 democrats are trying to uh do a preemptive strike on the other side they're trying to make laws that

01:45:17.440 define the profession of journalism that's also dangerous yes you're gonna screw this thing

01:45:21.140 completely up we already have everything we need in the first amendment congress shall make no law

01:45:27.040 abridging the freedom of speech or the press that's it period there you go you're already covered

01:45:34.340 completely and we should look at that the same way even with the press even when they're annoying

01:45:38.060 the same way we look at gun rights i mean no law right there is not you cannot abridge you you

01:45:44.640 can't you can't do anything that would limit these uh limit the access especially with the government

01:45:50.280 now you know like you mentioned the atlantic with with our guests and it's true like what i look at

01:45:55.260 that is no that's a completely different thing right it's distasteful what they did with kevin

01:45:58.720 different thing yeah no that wasn't that wasn't the same at all well yeah well yeah actually there's a

01:46:03.960 lot of different things to do it it wasn't well it's not the same as what we're talking about here

01:46:07.640 though no the atlantic can make what i view as a really a really bad decision if they want to

01:46:12.600 they're a private business government this is the government doing it and there is that line that's

01:46:16.240 a big one i mean you can't do those things i mean there's someone who was suing donald trump

01:46:20.400 for uh blocking them on twitter and the obviously it's ridiculous right but i mean in reality if the

01:46:28.520 president united states is making statements should not every citizen have access to those statements

01:46:34.720 right i mean i think you can make a real argument that you really probably can't block people on

01:46:39.520 twitter at least from the official accounts maybe he can from his private accounts but from official

01:46:43.600 government accounts you probably can't you can't um and that's because it's the same way we argue

01:46:48.700 with guns when people like well they just took it away in a situation that was it was it was really

01:46:52.360 obvious they shouldn't have had a gun no no that's not the way it works no even if you think it's

01:46:55.920 obvious you gotta have a real legal basis for those things yeah and we've completely lost sight of that

01:47:01.080 we really have and we have to be first second third fourth well all the way all of them

01:47:07.040 absolutists we have to be absolutists on all the the bill of rights and the amendments and on all

01:47:12.780 these issues that's what we need to refer to because that's where we have uh that's our that's

01:47:18.740 our guiding light yeah it's a u.s constitution and it's the guiding light it's the only thing that

01:47:23.060 will save us yeah is the constitution in the end if we don't stand firmly on that and tell

01:47:28.920 everybody who says yeah but no i i know i'm with you i'm frustrated but there is no but here

01:47:35.080 shall not be abridged period end of story good to have you back pat one quick follow-up question

01:47:45.260 from twitter uh is pat still alive this must be like game seven of a seven game series he lives

01:47:51.340 or dies on today's pat's unleash is that true yes today the day yes today we find out it could be

01:47:58.000 monday or it could be monday it could or tomorrow or tomorrow or tomorrow it could be today wow

01:48:05.060 friday or this coming wow thank you for telling me yeah this late in the game that it's not friday

01:48:11.080 you're welcome because it means god thank you for that the only way to be really certain is to never

01:48:16.660 miss a moment of pat gray thank you that's exactly right because i'm not going to heal over at any

01:48:21.840 moment it die yeah anytime die at any time all right pat uh do some jumping jacks or whatever

01:48:27.960 it is it makes you a little more vulnerable a little more on the edge good to have you back

01:48:32.640 all right let me tell you about uh 1-800 flowers what are you getting your mom

01:48:37.280 1-800 flowers assuming i remember as soon as we go to the next commercial to call

01:48:43.180 i've got my mother-in-law coming in to stay with stay with us this weekend too well you know the

01:48:48.100 other thing about that is this is a little tip for you you call 1-800 flowers you get a nice

01:48:53.160 bouquet sent to the house but you get two cards you get one you put your wife's on there and then you

01:48:59.680 just swap it out because your your mother-in-law's going to be there anyway and you when you say oh look

01:49:03.840 these flowers and whenever they're in the room you just swap the card i got a better idea i get 24

01:49:08.040 multi-colored roses okay so that's two dozen i just split them in two vases and i don't have to

01:49:15.900 switch the cards i'm like hey look at you guys huh yeah you're worthy you both get a dozen roses

01:49:21.620 yeah the other part about this is don't talk about it on national radio before you do it

01:49:27.020 that's the only other the only other thing you don't want to do that probably is where you should

01:49:31.860 have started okay yeah okay all right 24 multi-colored roses plus a free glass vase starting at 29.99

01:49:37.680 it ends today mother's day is sunday today's the last day you can get that deal 24 multicolored

01:49:47.400 roses 29.99 it's 1-800flowers.com click on the radio icon enter the promo code beck it's 1-800flowers.com

01:49:55.900 promo code beck offer ends today welcome to the program we have a lot to talk about uh on tomorrow's

01:50:03.440 show tomorrow is friday i'm gonna tell you about the uh cat that will that walked 12 miles to come

01:50:09.820 home to his family the family had given it away to another family 12 miles away but the cat missed

01:50:17.460 the family so much it walked 12 miles back home may i uh ask a question did the other family just

01:50:25.500 bring the cat back and put it in the front yard no it actually did walk 12 miles to get back home

01:50:29.960 did someone have a camera on the cat how do we know i don't know how do we know the cat i don't

01:50:34.620 know but apparently you could be a member of the family because the family uh saw the cat and they

01:50:38.700 were like oh how sweet brought it to the vet and had it euthanized oh my god yeah yeah they really

01:50:45.080 didn't want the cat you know the cat's not a good judge of character wow okay god glenn back mercury

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The Glenn Beck Program - May 10, 2018

'Contradictions and Chaos' - 5⧸10⧸18

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