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Sen. Mike Lee (R-Illinois) and Rep. Chris Stewart (D-VA) were both in a classified intelligence briefing yesterday in Washington, D.C., and they don t know what to make of it.
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welcome to the uh broadcast we have uh mike lee on and chris stewart on this hour they were both
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in an intelligence briefing yesterday um and i just think something is wrong myself um i have
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talked to mike this morning i haven't uh i haven't talked to uh chris but we'll get to that in a
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this is the glenn beck program hello america welcome to the glenn beck program yesterday there
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was a uh confidential top secret briefing in washington a few of my friends were in attendance
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none of them will tell me exactly what happened but they will tell you that they were confused
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and this should not happen in an intelligence briefing this this this is top secret in a skiff you walk in
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you're a senator you're a congressman and you're part of a very select group of people that are sitting
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there listening to the director of national intelligence giving you everything we know
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you should not walk out of that room confused unless our administration is confused
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my question is are they too many questions we are entering a very dangerous time senator mike lee joins us
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we go to senator mike lee hello senator how are you sir doing great thank you very much glenn um i want
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to give you a couple of uh uh headlines u.s intercepts four russian warplanes yesterday near alaska
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the next headline uh u.s warns it will defend the philippines after chinese laser was shot uh at their coast
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guard um uh let's see here uh norway wrote uh warns of growing importance of russian nuclear deterrent uh
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china's president z uh conveyed his support yesterday for iran during uh a visit from the first visit from
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the iranian uh prime minister uh we are we we are not in good shape do you and members of the
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intelligence uh committee have any idea what's going on well we know some things are going on we know
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certain things are happening but there's a whole lot we don't know and in particular there's a whole
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lot we don't know about the so-called objects brought down by fighter jets firing missiles over
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the weekend and that was the focus of yesterday's classified briefing okay so mike we we hear balloons
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we hear that they now the pentagon came out yesterday after your briefing and said well you know what it's
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nothing these are probably just commercial balloons but we have the canadians sending out the hazmat
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teams to look for this and we hear this morning that they are uaps which i guess could be balloons but
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usually those are you know uh something solid these were the size of of cars and they weren't balloons
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they were metal is that true yeah so first of all we don't really know what they are i i don't know
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how they claim now to know what their nature is whether they're commercial military or from some
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other origin because they haven't found them i i suspect at this point that they're theorizing on
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what it might be that was what was so frustrating yesterday is they held this classified briefing
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to tell us about what happened and they showed up and basically said we don't know what happened
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we had all hoped and expected based on public statements that they had covered what was left
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of these objects and that they were studying them they haven't found them at least as of yesterday when
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they briefed us they hadn't found them they don't really know what they are so wait did they show you
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video i don't know what you can and can't say no come on we launched missiles we know we have the
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video from the cockpits we know that we repeatedly asked them about that can you show us anything
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by way of photographic uh documentation of a video footage anything like that they said yeah we've
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got some it really isn't useful because the objects are so small so far away that the resolution
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doesn't really do anything for us then why would we shoot them down the picture it's an excellent
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question uh so we we shut them down not knowing what they were just based on their altitude we just
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knew that they were there but i i still can't fathom why it made sense to scramble fighter jets
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shoot missiles at them bring them down when we have no idea what they are okay so they're they're
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apparently not that concerned about it or else uh they'd be frantic and they're not that we found
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out last night that the united states government had been tracking that chinese balloon for over a week
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once it was launched from china we locked onto it and tracked it did they tell you that yesterday
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uh there are things in there that i probably shouldn't repeat from what i know but but it
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it's um it's safe to say that we did know before this thing hit the united states that it was in the air
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uh we were aware of it and uh we knew what was happening and so at that moment they really
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should have brought the thing down and at whatever moment they they realized um that it was coming on
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in the united states and that it had the ability to collect data uh they should have brought it down
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we kept hearing last week about the fact that well you know it wouldn't have been safe to bring it
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down over the united states nonsense bullcrap look even at 60 000 feet these things don't have a glide
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capacity they're balloons and so if you puncture the balloon it's going to head straight down now yes
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there's a debris field but there is a lot of space between alaska off the coast of alaska uh uh to be
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clear and the rest of the united states where there are miles and miles around where there are no people
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and uh that they should brought it down here's what i think what what i suspect is that these were
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makeup calls they were compensating this last weekend for what they didn't do the previous week
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which was take bold aggressive action only they took the bold aggressive action it seems
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on the wrong objects at the wrong time are we gonna know do you think we're ever gonna know this
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i certainly hope so it seems um almost unbelievable to me that we shut down three of these things over
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the weekend we didn't recover any of them and if there was no immediate threat as there apparently
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was an explanation we've heard is that it entered the space where aviation happens yeah okay fine
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uh that's understandable sometimes you need to bring things down but there was no immediate threat
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and that being the case why couldn't they use a different kind of aircraft right one that could
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observe it up close correct uh before shooting it down you can't really do that with a with a fighter
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jet traveling at speed of sound i you know i i got it i i mean it's like it is like our government is
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being run by you know mrs hoffelmeyer's fourth grade class it i mean and just the boys because
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the girls would be a little smarter the boys it's just like let's blow it up out of the sky this is
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crazy talk there is another uh possibility here that they are using this whatever it is that they are
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using this to get people off of the nordstream pipeline uh story from seymour hirsch
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and i don't know how much you can talk about it or or what uh what you uh know but mike i find this
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extraordinarily concerning because there's only a few countries that could do it none of them really
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had the incentive or they would have let us know if it was another country would you have gotten a
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briefing on that do you think if they would have told us uh it's it's hard to say i we we don't
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necessarily get those briefings just because they feel like it usually it's because a member is asking
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or because uh there's been national news about something and they decide they need to brief all
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members i'll tell you i haven't gotten a briefing on this i'm trying to get one um all this of course
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uh it goes back to this report published by uh journalist seymour hirsch last week um indicating
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that uh according to his story uh there were specialized u.s navy teams that planted explosives
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there and that the united states was responsible i don't know whether this is true i'm trying to
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ascertain whether it's true uh but i will say this um we need to approach a near-peer nuclear-armed
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geopolitical adversary with extreme caution and so i i would like to think that if we were going to
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do something like this there would be some sort of clear authorization from congress you see the
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chief executive the president of the united states commander-in-chief and all doesn't have the
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ability to take us to war i don't think it's a stretch to say that doing this not just to russia
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a nuclear-armed near-peer geopolitical adversary it's also an attack on france and on germany
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it affects a lot of europe i would like to think they'd get congressional authorization of some sort
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before doing that well he said that there was a way around that because obviously they should have
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done that if we were involved i i just don't believe that we that all of the allies with all
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of our technology and everything else we can't figure out okay it looks like it's probably these
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people um i personally because they're so zipped up about it it's got to come from the west and the
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only ones that can do it really are france or us or great britain and those guys wouldn't do it um
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uh but you know you look at you look at this mike and if even if that's not true can we find out if
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anything in that report is true far as that there is a secret to seal teams that can be
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trained off the books so congress doesn't know about it yeah look i think there there there are
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a lot of details uh at least enough details in the seymour hirsch piece that this should be fairly
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amenable to being proven or disproven uh because either certain things match up or they don't
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it may be easier to disprove than to prove but but i think that can get us a lot of the way there
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and yeah there are others who could have done it i mean in theory it could have been china perhaps
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china wanted to make sure that it had access to more of russia's natural gas and that it could get
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it at a lower price in theory it could have been china but and and there are a handful of others who
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it could have been but um this is worrisome to me glenn for the simple reason look i don't know
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seymour hirsch i'm not familiar with any of the facts alleged uh in his report but there are a couple
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things that worry me number one on february 9th 2022 president biden during a press conference
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said that if uh if russia attacks ukraine there will no longer be a nordstrom 2 the journalist who
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had asked him the question about what he meant was doing her job and followed up and said what do you
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mean by that uh that pipeline's under you know not under our control and he reassured her believe me we
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have the means to do it and you know it'll be done either it will not exist well what so when you
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couple that with the fact that in this country we have for a long time seen overreaches by the
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executive to the point where a lot of people just accept now that in the name of a clandestine
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operation the united states can effectively wage war without an act of congress authorizing it
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that really does concern me not that i am certain that we did this it is i'm certainly not it's not
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that i can verify the hirsch article because i can't but it's that it really troubles me that i
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can't immediately rule it out and you can't get a uh a briefing on it um all right hang on just a
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second mike because when we come back i want to ask you do we want to know stew and i were talking
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about this this morning and we were like you know the blue pill might be the one to take on this
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because uh this is a impeachable maybe worse uh it is it's an act of war um it's i don't know
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anybody that's going to fight against russia if they attack us because we we blew up the pipeline
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europe i mean the world will hate us uh and it means war so i don't know do we want to know
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and we'll come back uh with mike lee for that answer in a minute if pain is a part of your life
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difference 10 second station id all right mike lee do we want to know
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look i think the american people do deserve to be in charge of their government i agree with that
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is very much a mixed bag because as you uh alluded to before the break um the answer to this question
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if it turns out that the united states was responsible has very dire consequences and i don't
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i'm not even talking yet about what happens within our government what the consequences there might be
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uh but is this is this rise to does this rise to more than an impeachable offense
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quite possibly yes i i believe it does because if you go to such great lengths to engage in an attack a
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provocative offensive attack on a near-peer nuclear-armed geopolitical adversary and you do so
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uh in a manner that violates our constitution because that's as i see it anyway it seems to me like an
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act of war yeah last i checked it war can't be just declared just decided by a president and sure i
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know clandestine operations happen discrete military strikes are something different yeah than something
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provocative on this scale that inevitably lead to and in fact are war
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so if we would find out that this is even a real possibility um
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what happens what do we do how do we tell our allies how do we tell russia so we can kind of before we
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say it say i'm going to tell you something but you got to promise not to be mad uh i mean we've got to
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you know in that case yeah we have to promise that you're not going to launch a nuclear strike
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how do we tell them this i i don't know i don't know that's that's part of what makes this such a
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difficult thing but one thing i do know is that ignorance is never uh something that's going to put
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us in a position of strength no and i do think it's important that we get answers on this i i would
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like to know and and whether we end up finding out or not whether this thing is buried so far
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uh so deep by the military intelligence industrial complex in washington that we can't get to it
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whether we find out or not whether we did it or not i think it's very important for us to have this
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national conversation because for decades we've seen this gradual uh accretion of power within the
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executive branch when it comes to the war powers and increasingly glenn the way wars are fought these
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days you don't typically have soldiers lined up on a battlefield in in corresponding parallel columns
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no you've got um you've got stuff like this this is war in the 21st century and so we need to have a
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national conversation about the fact that today as at the time time of the founding uh we need
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our congress the people's representatives to make the decision about going to war and uh clandestine
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operations need to be reined in this something truly discreet this one wasn't mike lee um thank you
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so much for everything you're doing and uh we pray for you and uh we'll keep you in our prayers for
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your safety as you continue to go down this uh this road thank you hey thanks glenn take care
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bye-bye do you want to know it's like it's almost as if if we don't if it did happen and we don't
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expose it then we get what we deserve yeah i mean of course i want to know but there's there's that
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feeling of you know i mean of course you know russia knows if our media is starting to know then russia
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knows too the question is if it becomes public and it becomes obvious to everybody then russia
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has to respond to they have to to to you know to do something for their own people and that response
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even if it is you know maybe the people can temper our response to theirs all right you know what i
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mean like okay we deserve that the dark road it's a very dark road yeah very very the blue pill was
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the right one to take it i mean he was an idiot you just take the freaking blue pill and get along
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we have congressman chris stewart on uh with us now uh he is a military veteran and uh and also a
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member of the intel community and he is going to tell us what he can about the briefing that they had
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yesterday about these ufo balloons that no one has claimed so far yesterday all of a sudden
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on a dime the pentagon starts saying oh no these were probably balloons commercial and we just blew
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them up and no big deal what the hell is that wait you just spent days telling us these were
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possibly dangerous ufos chris stewart joins us now hello chris hey good morning glenn
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did you walk out with an understanding of what's going on no no one did and honestly you say uh i'm
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going to tell you what i can tell you and i can tell you everything it was an unclassified briefing
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and very very little information was shared i mean i i can't think of a recent example where
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so much has been said about so little and at the end of the day you kind of scratch your head and go
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oh these guys don't know what they are uh and honestly glenn i think i think they're happy for
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the diversion in fact i know that they are because instead of talking about the chinese spy balloon
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that they botched completely and the policy that should surround that we're speculating and talking
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about ufos and and weather balloons and and uh and again they're happy to have that conversation
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rather than the more significant one of previous week well i want to talk to you about two things from
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the previous week that i do believe this is working out well but i i just want to get to
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as much of the bottom of this as we can um we had uh crenshaw coming out yesterday and he said that
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um that these were uh uaps now uaps are usually what we used to call ufos they're not balloons
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and he said they were the size of an atv they were hard to detect um at least two of them were
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um did did you are these balloons or do we do we really not know what they are how are they
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describing these yeah they described them as uaps as well and by the way why did we change it from
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ufo why does it have to be complicated ufos worked fine and now we all struggle to go okay what what
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does uap mean but that's how they describe them i think they probably were balloon balloons and let
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me tell you why and again i don't know that but uh common sense kind of leads to that conclusion
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the fact they were so difficult to detect by radar would make sense and fall in line with them being
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balloons because balloons won't reflect for radar and for radar to work especially on a on a fighter
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aircraft it has to have there has to be motion there has to be speed in the in the target that
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that's actually what the radar is detecting and these balloons were so slow that that's often why
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they missed them or why they would have anomalies where they'd see them for a short time and then not
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see them again so over the last week or so they tuned some of the radars down and and by that they're
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able to pick up some of these slower flying objects which once again leads me to believe they were likely
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balloons and right you know but but that doesn't mean they weren't nefarious i think it's possible in
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fact my own conclusion from the entirety of what i know is they probably were once again smaller
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chinese spy balloons that these guys just decided to flood flood the zone if you will while we were
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kind of looking and and there's only one reason for doing that or at least one main political reason
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and that's really kind of to poke us in the eye and to say yeah you shot down this big one but we've
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got others and we're going to send them over there when we want to uh i i don't know that that's true
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no one knows if that's true or not but i don't think that's an unreasonable conclusion based on
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what we do know um so let's talk about what we um what they would like to us not to talk about and
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that is the incompetence we found out last night that the united states was monitoring that spy balloon
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uh up to a week before it entered our airspace we i guess locked onto it just after its launch
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so we knew what it was the entire time right that we knew what it was and we also knew where it was
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going you could those those winds aloft are very predictable they don't they don't vary much uh and
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you can track a route where that balloon is going to go we would have known within probably a few
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hundred miles and maybe within a few dozen miles where that balloon would end up and you know the
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interesting thing about this and and the thing that should concern us is two things number one they
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weren't going to tell the american people hey there's a very sophisticated chinese spy balloon
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loitering over malstrom air force base one of our missile fields and the second thing glenn they were
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still going to send anthony blinken to china they were not going to say anything and they were not going
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to protest they were still going to send him to china at a time when china had deliberately
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timed this balloon to be over our nation when he was going to be in china talk about a poke in the eye
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talk about a power play to say yeah we'll host your secretary but while we do look what we're
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going to put over some of your most sensitive military installations unbelievable i mean the
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administration didn't shoot it down before it entered over our mainland airspace i mean chris this
00:29:55.100
makes sense though if you're if you're testing what our president actually believes in you know he says
00:30:02.680
that the biggest geopolitical threat uh to the world is global warming so he's got he's got his guy going
00:30:09.840
over to talk about global warming and the chinese are like well does he really believe this the biggest
00:30:16.080
geopolitical threat because if he does he won't shoot it down and once he doesn't shoot it down
00:30:21.980
the chinese know everything they need to know that's exactly right glenn and the amazing thing is
00:30:27.540
they actually do believe that i mean they there's other examples of where their relationship with
00:30:34.760
china is such a priority not because of trade not because of threat towards taiwan not because of any
00:30:39.740
of the other concerns we have but because they want to bring china around and to our line of thinking
00:30:45.640
about climate change and they can't do that if that relationship is stressed so they actually
00:30:51.640
believe that the greatest threat facing humanity is climate change you know the fact that the earth may be
00:30:56.800
a fifth of a degree warmer in 100 years and in the meanwhile the short-term threats they'll
00:31:02.540
completely ignore and you said it was a test and the president failed that test he didn't do anything
00:31:08.640
to interfere with this surveillance are you are we seeing the beginning of an axis power with china
00:31:15.300
russia now iran yesterday zee president zee welcomed him into the international community of really dark
00:31:22.920
countries yeah i think not only are we seeing the beginning of it this is somewhere in the mid-phase
00:31:29.160
of that axis of power very clearly they're lying now we have one real advantage over russia and china
00:31:35.260
and iran and others and that is we can we can actually uh forge alliances we can forge partnerships
00:31:41.760
and it's done out of mutual benefit they can't they have to compel those alliances there's no one who
00:31:47.840
truly wants to be you know an ally of russia it's a transactional relationship but they have formed
00:31:54.600
that transactional relationship with each other because the enemy of my enemy is my friend and
00:31:59.740
they have the common enemy of that being the united states and western democracy is the thing they want
00:32:05.060
to destroy i was reading a story today about how china is they believe preparing for war preparing its
00:32:12.440
people for war um and that could be just taiwan but they don't have the capability to go into taiwan
00:32:19.580
right now do they probably not but uh but it's not years away it's not a decade away uh and it's hard
00:32:27.360
to know because they're actually very very good at deception and and misalignment you know it's hard
00:32:32.660
for us to know what their actual capabilities are because they can hide it pretty well but there is a gap
00:32:37.980
right now between their capabilities and at the same time taiwan is trying to increase its own
00:32:42.880
defense capabilities and when china begins to see that gap close taiwan's ability to defend themselves
00:32:49.220
begin to catch up with their capabilities that's the moment of danger that that's the thing that they
00:32:54.900
would take advantage of but there's more to that glenn and that is they surely look at the u.s
00:32:59.460
leadership and they go when is the right opportunity and under what leadership and what circumstances
00:33:05.400
politically in the united states do we want to make this move and very very clear to me that they
00:33:12.940
look at this president as someone who is weak and someone that they could uh that they could manage
00:33:18.500
and someone who is not going to be nearly as strong as any of the potential republican candidates who could
00:33:24.480
win in 2024 is this what we're facing right now this is a possible world war three possible knockout punch
00:33:34.400
i mean this is not anything that we've faced in our lifetime i mean you know maybe the the cuban
00:33:41.040
missile crisis but this is a big one isn't it yeah i think that's true and i mean neither one of us
00:33:47.400
want to be overly dramatic it doesn't it doesn't do any good to cry wolf and have it not be a wolf
00:33:52.300
have it be a puppy dog right but the signs on this are just so clear you have to be blind or willingly
00:33:59.000
unwilling to example or look at the examples and so i think we've probably seen it in our lifetime
00:34:05.600
going back to the 1980s uh detente with president reagan president gorbachev at the time and a couple
00:34:11.520
of others but it really is like that moment and i would say but probably even more dangerous than
00:34:19.440
that time was because russia actually wanted to have uh a bit of an understanding between
00:34:27.700
the u.s and russia and it doesn't appear that china does chris thank you so much i appreciate it
00:34:33.360
we'll talk again thank you sir you bet god bless um a recent memo that was leaked from the head of
00:34:41.380
u.s mobility command um had a startling statement in it the air force general said he believes we will
00:34:49.260
be at war with china in two years uh you know i think we've been at war with china for decades but
00:34:59.360
they're the only ones fighting it my hope is that this chinese spy balloon you know is finally waking
00:35:06.460
people up in washington and we are now looking at our situation and we'll have cool and calm and adult
00:35:15.780
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00:35:28.620
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00:35:38.360
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00:35:46.400
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00:35:53.720
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you know yesterday we talked to uh somebody that was on taggart road in ohio
00:38:19.240
um she was a dog trainer and still is but she had to move away because the train derailment
00:38:28.700
happened really close to her house and everybody left and she said you know we had a um they asked
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us to sign a release form so they could check the air and i have it and i'm going to tweet it out
00:38:42.340
later uh the rightful owner and occupant of this property uh hereby authorizes norfolk southern
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its affiliates subsidiaries parents contractors associated environmental professionals and
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assisting local state and federal agencies including but not limited to ctec llc and their
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personnel collectively the monitoring team to access the property for air monitoring and environmental
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sampling and you say i only want it outside of my house or inside of my house as well and you check
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one of those and then it says landowner agrees to identify release and hold harmless uh unified command
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from and against all and any legal claims including for personal injury or property damage arising for
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monitoring team's performance of air monitoring or environmental sampling at the property on the date of the
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signature below and you're supposed to sign that who would in their right mind sign that especially
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after what has just happened right yeah you know yeah seeing that the unified command seems to be the
00:39:52.620
collection of people up at the top including the railway and all of their affiliates right it's worded in
00:40:00.800
a way i mean i guess their their defense would probably be no we're just talking about the monitoring
00:40:04.700
right now like if we come in and we you know that's all we're not talking about the actual accident but
00:40:10.160
of course that's not what they would probably argue and so later on unified command is uh is an actual
00:40:16.980
term it's company but it's also a term and it means you know all the parties that come together and are
00:40:22.540
forming this command center for this incident yeah so which is it is it uh is it a term or is it
00:40:31.180
probably say you probably a good idea not to sign yeah documents they're presenting you certainly
00:40:35.480
without an attorney present that you trust yeah and by the way unified command does a lot of work
00:40:41.720
with the federal government they are they are the trusted source for the u.s government unified command
00:40:47.220
sounds like the type of organization that would be like the supposed good guys in a movie but then
00:40:53.680
turned out to be bad kind of like bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum hey unified command is here yeah
00:41:00.920
right we're just sampling the air that's the thing though you get the guys in the black masks that
00:41:09.780
breathe like that you can tell quickly they that should be something we should implement here yeah
00:41:13.440
you know have to wear a black mask like darth vader if you are part of that yeah if you're a bad guy
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wear a dark mask it makes it so much easier for us to understand and if you're a bad guy in the army
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you wear white hats wait there's some both sides covered that's why they were so confused
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peter zine uh the author of the end of the world is just the beginning hello peter how are you
00:46:12.280
you know i don't think i've ever been introduced as mr rainbows and sunshine
00:46:16.740
well you've never been on this show where uh we don't we don't tend to have an optimistic
00:46:23.700
optimistic uh look at what's coming our way um but uh i was listening to you i think it was on
00:46:29.900
the rogan show and i was listening to you and uh you actually made me feel better and i just like
00:46:39.000
you to i just like you to tell us your view of what's coming uh the end of globalization but also
00:46:46.120
the um uh the end of china because you say that's imminent well that's a whole whole batch of things
00:46:54.280
that bushes together into a small chunk but let me do my best so there's two things that have
00:46:59.120
dominated and created our world uh step one is in 1945 the americans found themselves facing down
00:47:07.220
stalin in europe like oh we do not want to tangle with this guy alone we need allies to stand between us
00:47:14.260
and the soviet forces but world war ii had been the most destructive conflict in human history
00:47:20.600
and the only allies were countries that had barely survived it so we needed to provide something
00:47:26.000
to induce them to not cut a separate deal with the soviets and we came up with globalization
00:47:31.100
before globalization everyone was kind of left to their own in terms of development and if you had
00:47:38.920
iron ore and coal and food and oil you could industrialize but if you didn't have all those
00:47:45.280
things you were probably a colony well with globalization you now only needed one and you could
00:47:50.480
trade for the others and so we all started to develop and industrialize and urbanize together
00:47:54.940
after 75 years that has brought us the global system we now know with global finance and global
00:48:02.020
energy and global supply chains and global infrastructure and global agriculture and so we have a
00:48:06.880
population of nine billion people a billion people excuse me living more wealthy than any other period in
00:48:12.760
human history correct with small countries and big countries all in the milieu together but as we've made that
00:48:18.880
transition we've changed the way we live pre-industrialization we all lived on subsistence farms but as these new
00:48:27.580
industrial jobs became available we took them and they were all in the cities well in the countryside kids are
00:48:34.260
free labor you have as many as you can and then maybe one more because that's how you know you've had
00:48:38.020
too many you move into town you live in a condo and kids are just sources of migraines so you have one or two
00:48:46.600
maybe maybe maybe three you play that forward for 75 years and it's not that we're running out of
00:48:53.680
children globally that happened 30 years ago it's that we're now running out of working-aged adults
00:48:59.700
also the americans created globalization as a security ploy cold war ended 30 years ago we're out of that
00:49:08.180
business so the the security underpinnings that allowed trade to happen are mostly gone and the
00:49:14.220
consumption that is done by young people is almost gone and this was always going to be the decade that
00:49:20.520
both of these trends broke at the same time now china specifically is the perfect manifestation
00:49:27.820
of what sort of glory demographic change and globalized security can bring to a country
00:49:36.040
because for the first time in their history they weren't prey to bond by the outsiders they were
00:49:40.700
able to consolidate internally and they were able to use their large population to create an economies
00:49:45.580
of scale to take advantage of the global environment that had never happened to them before
00:49:50.780
you fast forward that to today however and the americans have lost interest in maintaining the
00:49:57.280
trade we're turning a little bit more nationalist on the chinese specifically and their demographic
00:50:02.100
transition was the fastest in human history and according to the newest data we have not only did
00:50:09.660
they overcount their population by about 100 million people they now have more people in their 60s and
00:50:15.240
their 50s and their 40s and their 30s and their 20s and so we are looking at abject demographic
00:50:20.460
collapse in the chinese space this decade and that assumes that none of the chinese
00:50:28.000
dependencies on the american navy to import and export become a problem so we're really looking at a
00:50:35.120
simultaneous crisis here in china that is demographic that is political that is cultural that is
00:50:40.760
agricultural that is in trade that is in finance all at the same time and there is no way they walk away
00:50:47.740
from this so you believe that i mean what what is all the positioning now with the you know the balloons
00:50:55.540
and the tough talk what what's what's happening there with president z because on the surface he looks
00:51:01.960
you know rock solid in control um you know the i think you would say to the average person
00:51:08.740
you know who is the next leader of the world and they'd all say china but you're saying the opposite
00:51:14.040
yeah absolutely i mean we're going to think of china 20 years from now kind of like we think of
00:51:19.400
um the soviet union today you know it had a good run and then it just imploded uh let's see what's the
00:51:26.460
best way to put this uh chairman g ruling china is a difficult task there's a lot of different
00:51:32.400
geographies it doesn't hold together well yes china using air quotes here on china has existed in
00:51:38.840
some form for 3 000 years but it's only been unified in roughly the shape we recognize today
00:51:44.880
for a total of 300 of those years half of that's under the mongol occupation and the remainder most of
00:51:53.000
that is under the american-led globalized system where we basically said colonization is no longer
00:51:57.080
kosher excuse me get some water here anyway the only way that you can kind of rule the space
00:52:07.880
is to purge the system of competing political and economic influences right and g started that process
00:52:15.600
10 years ago and more or less completed the purge of the political system five years ago but then he
00:52:22.240
spent the last five years purging the bureaucracy of any potential power centers that could challenge
00:52:28.600
him and in doing so he's gotten rid of everyone in the country that is competent so now it is just
00:52:34.400
him and in many ways he's kind of become what donald trump always wanted to be he's got the adoration
00:52:42.140
from people below the zealot and he's got the voices in his head and that's how he rules and there's
00:52:47.580
absolutely nothing in between and that means we're seeing policy collapses across the entire system
00:52:53.660
and the balloon situation is a good example so under covid the chinese were carrying out this very
00:53:00.280
hateful foreign policy that they kind of called wolf warrior which is basically china is right you're
00:53:06.980
wrong you're stupid you're going to die and china is going to take over everything so when you hear
00:53:12.120
people saying that they think china is going to dominate that that's wolf warrior diplomacy kind of
00:53:16.180
working behind the scenes not a lot behind it but it you know it riles people up well it led to some
00:53:24.100
of the greatest foreign policy disasters in china's history so the biden administration has killed the
00:53:30.960
chinese semiconductor sector they are dependent upon the russians for energy but the russian energy
00:53:36.560
cannot be produced over the long term by the russians so they know there's an energy crisis in their
00:53:41.820
future they're experiencing an outbreak of something called african swine fever which is endangering their
00:53:47.640
food supplies their financial system is basically a really really badly run enron or subprime at scale
00:53:54.860
and so they see all of these pressures and she knows that the gig is almost up and so starting about
00:54:02.880
two to three months ago he started forcing the bureaucracy because he has to have one-on-one conversations
00:54:09.760
anymore you can't just say stuff and make it happen because all the competent people are gone
00:54:12.980
he started tilting things towards a more productive or at least less hostile direction
00:54:18.000
and as a result secretary blinken was about to go to china well when you don't have a functional
00:54:25.940
bureaucracy when you don't have functional communication within your own government all it
00:54:31.540
takes is one dude who thinks he's doing the great leader's will to throw things off and we now know
00:54:38.880
from our communications with the chinese that xi didn't know about the balloon and the foreign
00:54:45.100
ministry didn't know about the balloon and it looks like hardly anyone in the military knew about the
00:54:49.680
balloon that means it was just some dumbass in the intelligence services who thought that this is what
00:54:55.340
was necessary and so slapped it together and sent it off and it led to a complete diplomatic meltdown
00:55:02.160
with the united states you know and even if you're of the belief that biden is ultimately looking for a
00:55:08.260
way to live and let live with the chinese events like this at a minimum are going to push back the date
00:55:15.320
where we can even think about that for three to six months and to be perfectly blunt china doesn't have a lot
00:55:21.020
of time all right which leads me to uh another uh another question and let me get to that in 60 seconds
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okay so you say um that china doesn't have an awful lot of time uh doesn't have you know six months to
00:56:54.620
wait if your theory is correct what stops them from being even more dangerous right now
00:57:02.480
well one of the things to keep in mind well i think it's great to compare what's going on in
00:57:07.880
the russian space to what's going on in the chinese space so from the russian point of view their
00:57:12.500
population is dying out as well for a mix of reasons some of which overlap and they feel that
00:57:18.200
if they don't militarily act to get what they see as a more defensible perimeter now that they will not
00:57:24.820
have the military capacity to try it five ten years down the line and i'm in the right uh so there is
00:57:30.620
a scenario where if russia wins this war and a couple wars beyond it they actually are in a better
00:57:36.460
position strategically china doesn't have anything like that there is no country or series of countries
00:57:43.620
within reach that they could conquer there is no war they could launch that would help this is a
00:57:48.780
country that unlike russia is based on the import of raw materials and the export of finished goods
00:57:53.560
this is a country that imports almost all of the technology it needs and many of the intermediate parts
00:57:58.860
really really it's best to think of china not as a manufacturing center but as an assembly center
00:58:03.720
and i don't say that to denigrate them it's just it's a different sort of economic model and that
00:58:09.120
means you have to have different support structures internationally in order to make it work and for
00:58:13.140
china it's all about the movement and it's movement they can't control the u.s navy may only have
00:58:19.740
half as many ships as the chinese but our fleet is fully blue water only 10 percent of the chinese fleet
00:58:25.940
in combat operations could sail more than 400 miles from the coast that's not enough to support
00:58:32.480
a global mercantile empire we do that for them as part of globalization so even if they were to capture
00:58:41.020
taiwan without firing a shot it really wouldn't solve anything because they import 75 of their energy
00:58:48.080
and 80 percent of the materials that allow them to grow their own food so in any war scenario
00:58:55.020
you put a couple of destroyers in the indian ocean basin doesn't matter who you are and you've destroyed
00:59:01.460
the chinese system it'll die within 6 to 12 months and you'll trigger a famine that will ultimately kill
00:59:06.640
hundreds of millions of people that would be the end and the chinese know that now there that doesn't mean
00:59:14.260
it's risk-free that doesn't mean i'm belittling what you're suggesting here there is a chance that
00:59:18.900
it could happen even though i don't think it's a very high one if the chinese admit to themselves
00:59:26.340
that they're facing demographic economic agriculture and trade crisis all at once that will tear their
00:59:33.360
system down and i think they do realize that then there's something to be said for picking the time
00:59:39.700
in the place of a war even if you know you're going to lose because it lets you write the narrative
00:59:44.680
even if it's one of national failure and if you're facing a deindustrialization collapse that might
00:59:53.060
might allow the ccp to persist as a political ruler of the system into whatever's next and so if you can
01:00:01.540
guarantee your personal power for the low low cost of three to five hundred million dead chinese from
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famine that might be worth the cost so no mistake this is not a war of expansion so i kind of feel
01:00:16.760
like what everything you're saying about you know china could be said about us as well i i feel you know
01:00:22.960
you you talk about the deglobalization but that is the opposite of where you know build back better and
01:00:30.740
all of that stuff is going there are these globalists that are still trying to cobble into a even a bigger
01:00:38.180
system you know of the west against the east uh that i don't i mean they're not going down to the
01:00:46.280
little local communities and saying hey let's all make sure that we're solid uh as local communities
01:00:52.160
i'm really not worried about the united states so number one we have the best demography in the
01:00:58.440
advanced world and a better demography than most of the developing world at current rates of aging we
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will be younger on average than the mexicans the indians the indonesians and the brazilians at some
01:01:10.420
point in the early 2050s we became younger on average than the chinese over a decade ago in addition
01:01:18.040
the united states created global trade and one of the conditions in order to induce countries to
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join our security network was that we wouldn't take advantage of that so as a percent of gdp we are
01:01:30.580
the least involved with the major economies in the world and most of our economic integration is with
01:01:36.220
mexico and canada that's like almost half of our total so if you factor that out as a percent of gdp
01:01:42.620
our total exposure to the entire world is less than 10 percent of gdp and a big chunk of that has to do
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with the shale revolution and energy exports take that out you slim it down even more our weakness
01:01:54.160
in also we're the world's largest producer of oil and the world's largest producer and exporter of
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foodstuffs our biggest weakness is an electronics manufacturer and if china were to disappear tomorrow
01:02:05.340
yeah that's going to be a pain in the ass we're going to have to rebuild that from scratch we're
01:02:09.240
going to have to double the size of the industrial plant over the course of the next five years and
01:02:13.660
you think we have an inflation problem now just wait till we lose access to chinese goods and we
01:02:19.080
have to build out our own system but that will generate the fastest economic growth in the history
01:02:27.040
of our country and when it is done we will have more reliable partners closer to home with shorter
01:02:32.980
supply chains that use less energy and use workers that are local and sell to consumers that are local
01:02:40.060
this is a good story okay so and all we have to do is build up ourselves to make it happen all right
01:02:47.480
i've only got a couple of a couple of minutes left and i just want to make sure that i push back a bit
01:02:52.340
there are several critics of yours that say you know you've been saying this since 2005 that they
01:02:58.160
were going to collapse etc etc how would you answer that the hardest part of geopolitics especially
01:03:04.260
demography is timing yeah one of the problems with geography or the words one of the problems with
01:03:09.520
demography is this has never happened before we've never had global aging what i've described for china
01:03:15.460
is an extreme case but it's happening everywhere so n equals zero historically for points of comparison
01:03:22.120
right the reason why this is the decade that i think it's really going to go down is this is the
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decade where not just china but a lot of other countries literally age into mass retirement and this is
01:03:32.120
pretty much longer enough people under 30 to even theoretically repopulate this is pretty much
01:03:36.620
what happened to japan right i mean in the 80s everybody thought japan was going to take over the world
01:03:40.940
and then all of a sudden just japan just fell off the map absolutely part of that was a debt issue
01:03:47.020
which the chinese had actually a bigger debt issue part of it is demographic but the two big
01:03:52.320
differences between the japanese and the chinese japan saw this coming 30 years ago and took steps
01:03:59.000
to boost their birth rate and relocate industrial plant to better locations like the united states
01:04:04.580
they're as prepared as they can be right china's done none of that peter thank you so much for being
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we are talking to uh the geopolitical strategist he has uh worked with uh stratford
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etc he is uh he consults major companies and uh countries he's the author of a book the end of
01:06:12.780
the world is just the beginning his name is peter zein um and he says that china is uh a long-term
01:06:21.080
paper tiger that we don't have to worry about short-term correct me if i'm i get any of this
01:06:26.600
wrong here peter but short-term uh they could get ugly but long-term they're they're nothing to worry
01:06:34.260
about correct i'm far more concerned about the consequences of the chinese collapse than any
01:06:40.000
sort of war okay so let's just tie this into you know the global uh market and in the way globalization
01:06:49.800
has worked you change any of this stuff and you're in trouble yeah peter do you think and when you look
01:06:57.960
back at the globalization as an experiment if you would do you look at it as mostly a success mostly
01:07:03.900
a failure or can you not even really describe it with those terms i think from most points of view
01:07:09.580
it's been a success so from the american point of view it was a security program to prevent war in
01:07:15.320
europe and a nuclear exchange and in that it created the greatest alliance in history and that
01:07:20.740
is why even the germans today are you know shockingly with the program on the russians uh from an economic
01:07:29.280
point of view we expanded the population to eight billion people and it's the wealthiest the world has
01:07:34.040
ever been the safest the world has ever been the most healthy the world has ever been so i don't mean to
01:07:38.400
suggest it's all been good but it has been a really good run historically speaking and now it's just
01:07:44.480
not working because of the covid breakdown or it's just not useful anymore covid definitely sped up the
01:07:53.720
decline but from the american point of view you use the right word it's no longer useful we created
01:07:59.020
globalization in order to build an alliance to fight the soviets and the soviets are gone and even
01:08:04.360
with the russians kind of having this moment uh all of these security deals that the biden
01:08:10.040
administration is striking with everyone around the world are just that their security there's
01:08:14.420
no economic side to it we are not interested in the united states economic strictly strategically
01:08:20.400
or politically in a breton woods 2.0 it's just not happening uh but most importantly that demographic
01:08:26.940
aging that industrialization and urbanization created has now passed the point of no return so that
01:08:32.900
this specific economic model is on its last legs independent of what we might think politically
01:08:38.720
we're going to have to come up with something new and that means countries with better geographies and
01:08:43.960
better demographic structures are going to have their day and the united states is the very top of that
01:08:49.240
very short list all right so what how would you describe then the you know the great reset or the world
01:08:56.220
economic forum or the you know u.n agenda 2030 all of this stuff that is is forging even stronger
01:09:04.320
alliances with international banking and and everything else uh well let me give you three
01:09:11.660
things number one in the united states our political system is going through its once a generation
01:09:16.580
reshuffling where the factions that make up the parties move around and the business community was
01:09:22.260
kicked out of the republican coalition by donald trump so they are kind of in the wilderness
01:09:27.060
so any sort of international finance or business connections that we may have had at one point
01:09:32.480
are no longer within the political decision making apparatus so there is not really a lobbying group
01:09:39.300
within the united states for globalization in general uh second anything that involves the united
01:09:46.180
nations that is not the security council is incapable of pushing the agenda forward at all because it
01:09:53.480
doesn't have the political support of the countries that matter so i would put that to the side completely
01:09:58.100
and then third the world economic forum crowd i think it's most useful to think of klaus schwab
01:10:05.680
as a dj who throws a really big party once a year that everyone wants to go to and it's nothing more than that
01:10:14.900
yes they've got their seminars but mostly this is rich people doing the equivalent of body shots
01:10:19.720
oh peter i couldn't disagree with you more on on a lot of that but i'm sorry no policy is coming from
01:10:30.460
this and and the countries that have the ability to go at their own way places like the united states
01:10:36.160
or japan or france just don't swim in that pond so you're talking about well our president did use
01:10:43.340
don't actually have economic power the president did use and so did japan so did france so did uh
01:10:51.060
england they all use the world economic forum structure and even their slogan build back better
01:10:57.600
uh in 2020 and a lot of that stuff has has been passed and has passed through uh our financial sector
01:11:04.560
through esg but i don't want to get bogged down in into this we just disagree um peter um the the thing
01:11:12.540
that is going to what do we have to do to keep our communities uh going from the impact of all of
01:11:19.400
this that is something that requires policy shifts not at the global or even the national level but
01:11:25.760
mostly at the local and and for this the united states is really well set up uh one of the major
01:11:30.800
things about globalization was it created a economic and security structure globally that allowed countries
01:11:36.740
that historically speaking hadn't been able to play the game to play the game because no longer did they
01:11:42.240
have to worry about defending themselves or their trade routes and they could access a world full
01:11:47.160
of markets and resources uh as if they had won world war ii for most of the world it was great but if you
01:11:54.620
had a good geography to begin with that put you at a severe disadvantage because all of a sudden there
01:12:01.500
was all this indirectly subsidized competition that competition is now going away and a lot of the global
01:12:07.820
industrial build out that we have seen over the last 75 years which gave birth to some of the political
01:12:13.640
movements that you've just identified that is breaking down leaving it to the places that are
01:12:20.420
more functional geographically and demographically to do really well and so for the united states not
01:12:25.960
only is that most of our territory we are also a federalized system where the localities and the state
01:12:32.700
governments have just as much power as the federal government so state governments and localities
01:12:38.420
who are willing to put their eyes on the future are already taking steps to change the regulatory
01:12:43.940
structure to build out infrastructure to attract new residents and to get pieces of these industrial
01:12:49.620
supply chains that are looking for a new home and places like texas have been extraordinarily successful
01:12:57.620
in that but it's not like it's just listed listed limited to the balloon star state i would say
01:13:02.200
overall the american south have probably has the best set of policy for attracting some of this money
01:13:09.060
and getting scared investors whether it's from germany or crea or whatnot to set up assembly and
01:13:14.200
manufacturing plants across their territory uh even california is getting in on the act a little bit if
01:13:19.880
you can imagine it once you get out of the big coastal cities and kind of go into the next range
01:13:24.580
of cities that are like on the edge of the la basin you've got population centers that used to
01:13:30.500
be bedroom communities that are remaking themselves to participate in some of these systems particularly
01:13:36.140
in aerospace so this this isn't just a good story it's dozens of good stories embedded in the way
01:13:44.400
americans prefer to be governed and this is a the part that i really enjoyed hearing from you that
01:13:50.220
i mean i i think there is all over the world uh just like president zee people in power know that
01:13:58.320
that power is going to be challenged because everything that provided them power and money
01:14:03.000
and everything else is breaking apart and so they are tightening the screws as hard as hard as they can
01:14:10.180
on people to try to uh control them i think the people are waking up all around the world knowing
01:14:16.180
wait that none of the stuff that you're doing is making any kind of common sense we we need to
01:14:21.800
take care of ourselves here in our own communities our own farmers etc etc um and you know if if that
01:14:28.500
happens but then i think we make it and we make it in uh in with flying colors as america usually does
01:14:35.680
um how bad is the transition could the transition get here and when does that when does that when is the
01:14:43.880
average american understand that's all over globalization well i'd argue that the transition
01:14:51.500
started several years ago we had eight years of barack obama where we basically didn't have a
01:14:56.880
president and we had no foreign policy we had no economic policy and that sort of um abdication of
01:15:03.120
responsibility really accelerated the breakup of globalization because it does require a functioning
01:15:09.300
american system in order to keep all the pieces working then we had four years of donald trump and
01:15:15.100
to the degree that donald trump involved himself with governing it was usually take a to take a mallet
01:15:20.760
to things and he really didn't like globalization in the first place now we've got biden who is going
01:15:26.280
through trump's old tweets and turning them into formal policies and so it's crazy that biden and trump
01:15:33.020
are the two most similar presidents we've ever had on issues of international economic policy and we're
01:15:39.680
basically taking trump's instincts on things like china and trade and building them into the bureaucracy
01:15:46.440
so deeply that it doesn't matter who the next president is so if you are on the right i don't think you're
01:15:54.180
going to admit to yourself that this old system is broken and is not coming back until we get to the
01:15:58.340
next president if you're on the left i think there's an understanding that we have passed the rubicon
01:16:06.000
the only reason i say on the right it might take a little bit longer is no one wants to be perceived
01:16:10.180
as giving biden the credit for it even if it did start a president before him biden is the one
01:16:14.940
who's really nailing this down oh yeah yeah you you mean as as killing it it's a final nail in the
01:16:22.360
coffin yeah yeah basically donald trump provided the intellectual scaffolding to build the nails
01:16:28.140
and biden is the one using them yeah maybe for uh maybe for opposite reasons but uh the
01:16:36.280
globalization part is when we're talking about the breakdown of the global system i'm not sure the
01:16:41.120
rationale really matters yeah yeah i agree with you i agree i agree um peter thank you very much i
01:16:45.940
appreciate it god bless no problem uh the end of the world is just the beginning uh geopolitical
01:16:51.840
strategist peter uh zine now reason why i wanted to have mon is because i'm not afraid of other
01:16:57.660
people's opinions especially when they disagree with me i hope i'm wrong now he's not sunshine and
01:17:05.580
lollipops if you're just listening to him but if you compare him to what i say is coming you know
01:17:12.160
that's uh that's good you brought him on as the sunshine and lollipops guy and then he was talking
01:17:16.640
about three or four hundred million people starving to death in china well uh you went down a negative
01:17:22.980
road pretty quickly um but at least it's not we're not bombing each other for you know hundreds of
01:17:28.040
of uh thousands of dollars this is the biden approach like slightly better than the worst it's
01:17:31.760
ever been that's his campaign slogan yeah right and by the way it was also us when it was the worst
01:17:37.120
it's ever been but we're slightly better right now so elect me so here's so here's the thing uh i i
01:17:43.180
disagree with a lot of the stuff that he said um but i think you know he may have just blinders on
01:17:50.640
when it comes to why would z try to consolidate his power and get rid of everybody if i mean it's
01:17:58.720
going to happen to the whole world that's my case on the world economic forum and our individual
01:18:04.980
leaders of our individual western countries they know what's coming quick get the animals in the barn
01:18:12.700
and lock the door that's what i believe is is happening now when it comes to china i believe they are
01:18:20.560
we are in a war i mean the the um the head of the u.s mobility command came out uh he's an air force
01:18:27.780
general he said just last week we will be at war with china in just two years and i think even mr
01:18:34.440
sunshine lollipops kind of said that's a possibility because they become very very dangerous but we've been
01:18:40.000
at a war with them um we're just not fighting it they're the only ones i want to show you tonight
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01:18:53.640
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01:19:00.500
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01:19:07.580
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there's a few things that i'd like to piece together for you uh maybe we should all wake up
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and i think america is but we are headed towards real problems on the international front
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and boy is it a coincidence i i i don't know i i i've never seen anybody with this
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01:26:25.320
just replay this earlier this week it's only wednesday earlier this week they were like well we
01:26:32.200
can't rule out little green men can't do it like to like to but i watched morc from work that was a true
01:26:42.120
story and we're probably shooting down alien spacecraft and the aliens did travel probably close to light
01:26:50.840
speed highly advanced society and uh they decided to come down and introduce themselves in hot air
01:26:58.280
balloons please that was monday yesterday they said uh uh yeah we we we think those balloons are
01:27:09.960
probably uh they were private balloons uh not tied to any spying at all wait wait wait wait wait what
01:27:17.400
these balloons now have nothing to do with china they're not this is from the pentagon no foreign
01:27:24.440
intelligence what are we shooting down well they're probably private balloons and has anybody called
01:27:29.480
and said hey that was my balloon did anybody say that no but we definitely should we should definitely
01:27:37.560
say the glenberg program put up a balloon they shut it down now they owe us millions of dollars okay so uh
01:27:43.320
this is how you lose all credibility uh that uh chinese balloon just a weather balloon and uh we just
01:27:52.120
found out about it no you knew about it not since it penetrated the airspace in alaska like you told us
01:27:58.440
last week no no we now know you were monitoring it when it left china so not going to give you a pass on
01:28:08.520
that one so how many times have they lied to us on this story so what is it remember this story started
01:28:17.080
right after seymour hirsch said yeah i've got some pretty good evidence that uh it was the united states
01:28:25.320
this administration doing a covert op against the laws of the united states uh and they blew up the
01:28:34.440
pipeline you should just check that out oh look at the balloon balloon balloon balloon balloon and
01:28:40.200
we're all talking about balloons okay now i'd like to believe that you know they actually mean anything
01:28:50.040
that they say but they don't they don't why didn't you blow up the balloon let's just take that one
01:28:58.440
well because it's not a threat okay how do you know that whoa we just found out about no you didn't
01:29:07.880
well i mean we we we knew about it you know in alaska no no you knew about it before okay well yeah
01:29:15.560
but it's just a weather balloon how do you know that chinese told us that and you trust them well i'm
01:29:25.160
getting a lot of i mean i'm not getting a lot of money from them no what are you talking about and
01:29:29.400
we can't shoot it down over the united states because there's there's no place there's not one
01:29:34.600
inch of land between montana and south carolina that doesn't have people riddled all over it
01:29:43.960
uh yeah there's lots of land well okay how many times did they lie just about that one thing and the
01:29:52.440
press just reports it last night unfortunately there was another shooting this time at michigan
01:29:59.720
state university biden came out this is why we have to have strict gun control banning assault weapons
01:30:06.440
we don't even know what kind of gun it was maybe it was an assault weapon we don't know maybe it was a
01:30:13.320
john wilkes booth gun we don't know but here's something we do know that the press hasn't really been
01:30:21.480
up to reporting the guy who did the shooting he was arrested for uh not having a licensed gun
01:30:31.960
you know just a little while ago and uh the soros prosecutor decided i gotta do anything about it
01:30:40.120
let's release him oh so wait you have laws on the book but you won't enforce them okay all right it is
01:30:49.320
a fascinating part of the story that like gun laws the right wants gun laws too we want more we want
01:30:55.800
fewer laws before people commute commit crimes and more laws after they commit crimes right we want
01:31:02.120
them punished after they commit crimes the the left wants the opposite they want more laws and more
01:31:08.680
punishments before people commit crimes and then almost no punishments after okay which makes no
01:31:14.920
sense to me whatsoever okay so why would they do that because it's not about the children if it was
01:31:19.960
about the children you could have you'd be pushing for more laws before and more laws after and actually
01:31:26.200
going after the soros people who are letting all of these people go okay but they don't do that this is
01:31:32.680
not about guns this is about our country is is likely to collapse and they need to make sure they don't have
01:31:43.800
350 million guns in the hands of 250 million people that's what this is all about this is all about their power and let
01:31:55.960
me just make a case what was the balloon story about i don't think we can tell you yet we don't know but
01:32:04.040
it certainly wasn't about green aliens even though that's the step biden took on monday he started a ufo
01:32:14.200
commission something that congress did three years ago we don't need another commission we've already got
01:32:21.560
one well financed why would you do that because you really thought there were little green men that
01:32:27.080
were invading us in hot air balloons i mean there is more of a chance that that was the wizard returning to
01:32:34.600
the omaha state fair same reason same reason you're not hearing about this today jim biden negotiated a
01:32:48.840
deal with the saudis because of his relationship to joe biden he negotiated 140 million dollar deal
01:32:57.160
with the saudis no he's talking about that today hunter biden no i didn't see anything what are you
01:33:04.680
talking about of course not of course now there's what in fact today i'm going to get to this in a
01:33:12.520
minute the washington post is excusing people on the hunter biden laptop they know they got it wrong
01:33:23.080
all of these stories they have wrong all of them from the beginning and then they just keep moving
01:33:29.160
the goalposts until finally there's just nothing it's just a sieve and it's just leaking everywhere
01:33:35.240
and everybody knows okay well that's not true the fbi agents see if this is a stunning a stunning
01:33:43.240
uh uh revelation to you fbi agents misused fisa data to surveil a political party i wonder which party
01:33:56.200
it was equal can't it was a democrat and here's what they said look the fbi it gets very complex the
01:34:09.240
rules are often quote misunderstood those rules for pfizer just misunderstood it's not really hard
01:34:19.800
do you have evidence and strong suspicion of a crime being committed with a foreign entity
01:34:32.440
if the answer is yes okay show me the evidence that you have and i'll give you a fisa warrant there
01:34:40.200
that's it that's it that's how complex it is fbi also came out and they said uh okay
01:34:49.640
all right we've got we had to search a long long long time uh to find out all of those names
01:35:01.160
that were you know john does with jeffrey epstein and it's taken us a long time and we're still not done
01:35:09.240
with it but we're going to release it here probably this year probably this year what are you talking
01:35:17.480
about probably this year they haven't released any of the names now so you know these are just names
01:35:23.960
of people that worked with him okay had connection these are not the johns these are the people who
01:35:32.920
work with him we don't know who the johns even though they have the little black book we have no idea
01:35:39.800
whose name is on that why is that why don't we know the names of these very powerful people you know
01:35:51.160
when bill clinton gets onto a plane on the lolita express and goes to thailand with jeffrey epstein i'm
01:36:02.280
thinking maybe it wasn't for food i'm just do you like thai food love thai food let's just hop on the
01:36:11.160
jet and go have some don't think so but don't know and why don't we know we found out this week that one
01:36:20.120
of the hosts on msnbc did a critical look at hillary clinton when she was running she's now just come out
01:36:27.240
and said by the way i was told anything about hillary clinton had to come had to go all the way up to
01:36:34.360
the president of nbc to give approval for doing it why what kind of news organization does that
01:36:46.600
the train update we now know that officials buried the critical health risks
01:36:55.080
the residents returned home so we knew that it had vinyl chloride they were gonna burn that up
01:37:05.560
everybody should get out of here it's crazy then all right it's fine i'm gonna tell you from uh well
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i'll be in columbus but i'm gonna tell you that part of ohio man i would lick the grass it's so healthy
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there everybody goes back and then they say oh by the way there was a few more chemicals one of them
01:37:26.600
was one that was used in world war one as a there's a killing agent uh but don't worry about that they
01:37:33.640
told them after they went back in why why why isn't pete buddha judge being pilloried right now
01:37:44.680
what is the answer for this nobody in town is going to trust the epa no one's going to trust them no
01:37:53.960
one's going to trust anybody that says anything about the air quality and then what will the media
01:38:00.520
do these people they're just extremists that's like those people who live near farms they just don't
01:38:06.440
believe anything yeah why because you don't tell us the truth ever ever and then when it finally does
01:38:16.520
come out that oh that's the truth here's the washington post republicans in the house are
01:38:22.280
having an investigation in the collusion of the media the justice department and intelligence
01:38:26.280
officials as they censored the true story of the biden family corruption right before the 2020
01:38:31.880
election so now the washington post it just matter of factly says the true story of the biden corruption
01:38:38.600
really because you were part of the group of people that would make sure we couldn't say that without
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being banned uh now uh glenn kessler the designated fact checker at wapo claiming intelligence officials who
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lied about russian disinformation were very care careful in their wording of that letter
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huh so now the washington post is saying look what they said was it has all the earmarks
01:39:10.040
of russian disinformation they never said it was russian disinformation really now every one of
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these media sources took that letter and turned it into a straight out statement that's not what these
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they didn't say oh well actually you're going way too far here by saying it is russian disinformation
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we welcome to the program co-author steve dace co-author of the uh book the rise of the fourth reich
01:46:24.680
um now i want to get the whole name right the rise of the fourth reich confronting covid fascism
01:46:31.160
with a new nuremberg trial so this never happens again and in the press release it does say and i love
01:46:38.040
this i love steve i love this it says the title of the book and it says this book does not pull any
01:46:45.880
punches so you're not really the title says nuremberg trials but you're you're not gonna hold back you're
01:46:55.560
not holding back i find that surprising uh so uh so steve you uh you and uh daniel horowitz did an
01:47:04.920
awful lot of work uh on this and laid out the case um in a mock nuremberg kind of trial can you first just
01:47:13.480
tell people uh what the nuremberg laws are sure there was really two nuremberg sets of nuremberg
01:47:21.320
trials uh after world war ii glenn and the more famous one of course is um dealing with nazi officials
01:47:27.880
on the political and military end and their atrocities but there were a separate set of
01:47:31.640
trials that were held for what was categorized as kind of the biomedical fascist state the that
01:47:37.240
essentially the entire health care sector was given over to the state as a means of procuring
01:47:43.320
experiments and carrying them out on the people and out of those trials came what's known as the
01:47:48.600
nuremberg code uh and it's not really lengthy it's a pretty short read you'll google it anytime that
01:47:54.280
you want and what you'll get to find you'll read it in about 10 or 15 minutes what you'll find
01:47:59.000
is that basically every consonant vowel and syllable of the nuremberg code which was designed
01:48:04.920
to prevent something like what happened in germany in the 30s and 40s from ever happening again
01:48:10.040
it stood up for about 75 years and then every syllable consonant and vowel of that code glenn
01:48:16.120
was thrown out the window and trashed from march 16th of 2020 when the lockdowns began and really
01:48:22.200
even up until now um you know we have incredible data from the bureau of labor statistics about a
01:48:28.120
gigantic rise in disability claims uh beginning in 2021 uh starting in the fourth quarter you see that
01:48:35.160
this stat is pretty stable going back to 2008 and then all of a sudden the fourth quarter it goes off
01:48:39.640
the chain gee what happened at the fourth quarter of 2021 i mean it couldn't possibly be a jab mandate
01:48:45.640
to force you to take a jab in order to work and then a bunch of disabilities kicked in after that
01:48:50.520
couldn't possibly be that we have so much incredible data there was a michigan state study uh that came
01:48:56.280
out that found just through 2021 it estimated well over 200 uh thousand uh covet deaths uh in the
01:49:04.840
country from the jab covet deaths in america from the jab if you prorate that worldwide it's something
01:49:11.400
like seven and a half million deaths worldwide and so whether it is the jabs whether it's the virus
01:49:17.960
themselves with the gain of function research many of the same elements that pushed this uh toxic jab on
01:49:23.560
people um are the same ones that were involved in committing or creating this chimeric concoction
01:49:28.600
in wuhan and so they're kind of guilty and culpable on both ends of this spectrum uh and then the
01:49:34.600
lockdowns and the masks and everything else we get into all of this in the book and i think where
01:49:39.400
this book really it's you know with me and daniel you're gonna get a lot of data you're gonna get
01:49:43.080
a lot of policy specifics but where this book i think goes next level glenn is the is the meat of
01:49:48.920
it in the middle the personal testimonies whistleblowers from the department of defense
01:49:53.080
from the health care sector victims people whose children were uh were you know maimed injured by
01:49:59.320
the jab and can't get any relief people whose loved ones died in the hospital because they
01:50:03.320
wouldn't give them effective treatments they were essentially medically kidnapped those testimonies
01:50:08.280
in the middle if you think this title is too provocative and believe me we did not utilize it
01:50:13.400
lightly okay but if you think the nuremberg trials you didn't take nuremberg trials lightly huh
01:50:19.560
okay no of course not you you know me master of subtlety right but if you read uh and and listen
01:50:29.320
to these people and their suffering and the suffering that they witnessed inflicted on others you read
01:50:34.040
these testimonies you will see that we not only didn't oversell uh what has happened here if anything
01:50:40.680
we've undersold it okay so help me out because nuremberg trial the nuremberg uh rules are very
01:50:47.720
very clear as you said and washington post has come out and said this is not a violation of the
01:50:54.680
nuremberg code because these studies were done before they were released on the public how do you answer
01:51:02.760
that um you lost me at washington post yeah i know i know i know i know i know but but one of the one
01:51:10.200
of the really at the heart of the nuremberg code is the idea of informed consent the idea of
01:51:17.160
transparency the idea that you don't force people into a medical experiment we did that i'll give you
01:51:22.920
i'll prove it to you right here on august 6th of 2021 now admittedly glenn this occurred on cnn which
01:51:29.400
means a lot of people didn't see it okay so this is going to be news to people all right
01:51:34.200
unless you're seeing it now on august 6th of 2021 rochelle walensky went on with wolf blitzed
01:51:41.800
and admitted that with the advent of the delta variant the vaccines no longer stymie the transmission of
01:51:48.200
the backs of the of the of the virus they're no longer a traditional inoculation definitely definition
01:51:53.640
of a vaccine she went on to say that even the vaccinated now could get covet and then spread
01:51:59.160
the virus she said this on august 6th so right away whatever medical before we get to the
01:52:04.760
constitutional question whatever medical necessity emergency that would have you contemplate the
01:52:10.680
ethics of imposing this experimental substance on billions of people across the globe is already
01:52:16.680
out the window it won't even stop the spread of what we claim to be afraid of she admitted this
01:52:22.040
almost one month later to the very day she admitted that is when joe biden issued his
01:52:27.400
anti-constitutional detestable executive order on covet man on the covet jab which he said for the
01:52:33.800
entire year he had no power to do and then out of nowhere almost exactly one month later after his cdc
01:52:39.800
admitted the jab doesn't work that's when he actually said you can't go to work unless you take
01:52:46.040
the jab that is a clear violation of the nuremberg code and proves once again which isn't hard to do
01:52:53.560
that the washington post doesn't know what the sam hill they're talking about or they're just lying
01:52:57.320
so tell me do you do you draw any conclusions on what the motivation would be i think there's lots
01:53:06.360
of motivations and i think when you get into and we ask this question in this book a lot what's the
01:53:11.480
benign innocent explanation for these things we ask this question a lot we ask questions like how come
01:53:16.520
they never turn back because some people are going to say hey this thing is an emergency it got thrust on
01:53:21.400
us we got blindsided right fine how come they never voluntarily said oh we went too far with that
01:53:27.160
how come they're still in court trying to fight to put masks on people on planes okay they never
01:53:31.800
voluntarily pulled back every time they pulled back back when it's because the people either resisted to
01:53:37.000
the point it wasn't enforceable or the courts made them do it okay they never said oh you know what
01:53:42.600
guys we got that one wrong all right we had to sue to get pfizer's documentation they wanted those
01:53:47.400
hidden for over for about 75 years they they never showed any empathy any transparency or any
01:53:53.560
humility at all unless it was forced on them which shows you there aren't any benign and innocent
01:53:58.680
explanations and the and the best we could come up with and it won't necessarily give you the warm
01:54:03.320
fuzzy is that this is just good old-fashioned greed mind-numbing greed if that's the best we're hoping
01:54:10.040
for then all the other ones are a little bit you know further down the rabbit hole my friend so do you
01:54:14.760
have uh we're talking to steve dace he's blaze tv show uh host of the steve day show follows this
01:54:20.520
program every day on blaze tv he's uh also uh the co-writer the co-author of the rise of the fourth
01:54:26.600
reich um steve when you're um uh looking at all of this evidence is there any uh real tangible hope
01:54:38.120
that anybody's going to be held responsible i think the the biggest difficulty with this
01:54:46.280
is really not in the political system uh it's with the people and you know we did the uh the jab
01:54:51.720
special i hosted it with jason whitlock here earlier this month here on blaze tv and senator ron johnson
01:54:57.240
of wisconsin who has just been joan of arc level of hero on this and i asked him you know what's the
01:55:03.080
critical mass and and he said well you had a first nuremberg because ike threw open the camps and
01:55:07.560
forced the world to see what went on there and he brought it to a critical mass and and ron said you
01:55:12.360
know when you have less than 15 percent of american adults didn't take any of this gene juice a lot of
01:55:18.280
people are like man i don't want to believe i am a ticking time bomb i don't want to believe i'm the
01:55:21.800
next collapse suddenly i don't want to believe i'm the next died suddenly i mean we have one of our
01:55:26.040
colleagues here at blaze tv on his show saying he thinks he's vaccine injured okay we i don't want to be the
01:55:31.000
the next one who finds out a year later six months later that it's me and so let me just move on let's
01:55:35.400
pretend like this never happened and get on with real life i think that glenn there's so many people
01:55:40.440
that were betrayed into buying into this that i think it's the masses of the people that really
01:55:45.560
don't want to come to grips yet with the full scope of what happened here well the book went on sale
01:55:51.400
yesterday um grab your copy now this is one of those things that i would also urge you to get a paper
01:55:58.360
copy of uh things can be deleted online but i would have a paper copy of this order it wherever
01:56:04.360
you get your books the rise of the fourth reich uh by steve dace and uh and also um daniel horowitz
01:56:13.400
make sure you grab your copy now steve we'll look forward to hearing from you here in just a few
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this is the glenn back program nikki haley now is officially announcing her presidential bid
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um she's kicking off her her campaign rally uh now she's on all of the uh all of the news networks
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i you know i i like nikki haley i know a lot of people don't necessarily trust her because you
01:58:15.340
know the way it ended with with donald trump but i think she's solid i don't necessarily agree with
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everything that she says um but i do think she's solid and i really uh encourage you to understand
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that this program wants to be friends toward all enemy of none because this is in your hands and so
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we're going to interview all of them and we'll be fair with all of them we'll ask tough questions of
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all of them and be fair with all of them um point out they're good things um but this is a very
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important election i mean it it has the possibility of being our last yeah and i think nikki haley has
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a road that's not easy when it comes to winning the nomination though she also is a serious person
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and should be she's the type of person you'd expect to get into a race like this yeah had a good run as
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governor uh has some foreign policy experience she's kind of right in the pocket of what you'd
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someone you'd think would run i thought she was great in the united nations man she took i i remember
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my favorite u.n ambassador come on think of yours right now okay let's say it together gene kirkpatrick
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jerk gene kirkpatrick i was too late nobody has a favorite u.n ambassador i happen to gene kirkpatrick i
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love she was with reagan and she was tough as nails she didn't give any room uh and it's the same
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thing with nikki she did not give any room to anybody yeah at the u.n she did a great job i thought
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yeah so it'll be interesting to see you know she is gonna have to i mean look i think she's been
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campaigning for a while this is the start of her campaign in oh yeah in reality in yeah you know
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formal terms but i mean she's been working this for a while and and she's someone i think can be
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taken seriously we talked about this yesterday where you have a couple of people at the top
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and then you have a but you're gonna have probably a dozen other people vying to either be vice
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president or to try to catch lightning in a bottle and rise from that second from that fourth fifth sixth
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do you think up to that third tier type of person do you think there is anyone though that could beat
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either desantis or trump for that nomination oh it's going to be one of those two i'm convinced of
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it i mean it's unlikely first of all obviously desantis has to actually run which we do very
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much assume he is he's going to run he's going to run so taking that that formality out of the out
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of the picture i it would be surprising to me if this runs just like for example the bush mccain race
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where no one else makes any noise right like it would be surprising if we go through this entire
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year and no one has a big moment no one has a moment in the debates that gets people talking
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no one has that moment where they rise let's say into double digits right now it's nobody the only
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person who ever hits double digits in these polls other than the top two is occasionally mike pence will do
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it and i don't think anybody believes that's real no because pence is you know he he's no longer
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a friend of many hardcore trump supporters right which which if trump's in the race makes it impossible
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uh for him to to get up there i i would think i you know and he's also not electric you know i mean
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mike pence did some good things i think in office he's a good guy i generally like him but he's not the
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type of person who's going to take the the country by storm and i don't know of i mean you know first
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of all we know that donald trump will clean house we know that um but he's got to have an incredible
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team around him to be able to cut the right places the right time and and prioritize you're going to
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get rid of the deep state man it's going to take every bit of political capital that you have
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and you just gotta go for it um and i think desantis could do that wants to do that but again you're
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walking into a new job with new realities even donald trump said i had no idea how bad it was
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um and i don't know if anybody unless you experience it really understands but who is going to work with
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donald trump because i mean would nikki take a vice presidential role if she happened to be
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the big you know the big number two and it was donald trump or she was number three would he take her
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on i don't think he would i don't think donald trump would i mean i think it's honestly more likely to
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be a desantis that would take it yeah but nikki haley if she is you know gets to that point where
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she's vp she will be highly considered unless she just runs a terrible campaign which is possible
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trump doesn't trust anybody he shouldn't i don't trust anybody but i'd like to know who do you trust
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i'd like to see his team you know what i mean who do you trust who are you going to put into these
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big roles in your cabinet that's just gonna shut them down the glenn back program