The Glenn Beck Program - April 24, 2021


Ep 105 ｜ Is 2022 Our Last Chance to Save America？ ｜ Victor Davis Hanson ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast


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00:00:00.000 you could accuse america's founding fathers of a lot of things and the left goes out of its way to
00:00:04.640 try but one thing you cannot accuse the founders of is a failure to know history and think deeply
00:00:13.040 that is the exact opposite approach to our current woke authoritarian cancel culture it's all about
00:00:19.200 the future not about the past and let's not even take the time to think deeply on these things and
00:00:24.800 question what it all means the founders knew that ideas making arguments working through issues
00:00:31.600 were vital building blocks for our nation the woke culture and other uh and other things like it
00:00:40.160 is more fundamentalist than most hardcore bible thumpers uh it's their way or the highway it is
00:00:48.000 their salvation or no salvation and it seeks to silence every idea that questions the power
00:00:55.200 especially any suggestion that america has any redeeming qualities i want you to hear a guy
00:01:01.680 today who has had a long successful career in the academic world um and yet he is always standing for
00:01:08.640 truth in defense of truth common sense free markets uh and actual history he's one of america's best
00:01:14.880 historians you may be familiar with him already but if you're not he is a historian and a farmer
00:01:22.320 that you need to know i bring that up because we well just listen to the podcast he's a senior fellow
00:01:30.720 at stanford university's hoover institution he's an american military historian regular communist communist
00:01:38.000 columnist for the national review he has written or edited 24 books including the upcoming title
00:01:44.480 the dying citizen how progressive elites tribalism and globalism are destroying the idea of america
00:01:52.080 which will be released next fall in october in these unreasonable times he is a refreshing voice of reason
00:01:59.680 today victor davis hansen
00:02:15.280 so victor i was at a friend's house over the weekend and condi rice was there and is she as as you would
00:02:22.480 know she is uh what is she the head of the hoover now i don't know what the title is exactly yes uh
00:02:28.720 director of the institution yeah right and you know obviously as a senior fellow you work with her
00:02:34.640 she had the best happy face on i have seen i mean it was a group of people that were a little depressed
00:02:42.880 on the direction of the country and you know she addressed those problems but she said we can make it
00:02:49.360 etc etc um i'd like to hear from you as a historian i mean you have studied ancient warfare modern warfare
00:02:59.120 you are one of america's leading historians where do you see us in the cycle uh and although it you know
00:03:08.400 past results don't uh don't guarantee future results but where are we and what are we headed towards
00:03:15.200 can you compare it to any other time you know adam smith when he was asked that question said there's
00:03:20.320 a lot of ruin in a nation and what he meant by that was you can go a long way by eating your seed
00:03:27.360 corn without replenishing it and so we're very rich we had a wonderful inheritance this country
00:03:33.200 but what i'm worried about is there's seven or eight criteria throughout history that you as you
00:03:37.680 mentioned history that make a nation succeed or fail and we were good at all of them but i'm not sure
00:03:44.640 we're as good as we we were in the past i'm not so sure as good words can you can you go through
00:03:51.760 some of those what what are we losing well the first is you have to have a constitutional system that's
00:03:59.120 constant and you don't do things when you're in power like trying to get rid of a 150 year old
00:04:09.440 nine person supreme court a 232 year old electoral college a 60 year old 50 state union
00:04:17.040 uh you don't try to subvert the constitution with a national voting federal uh comprehensive state
00:04:26.240 uh that overruns the state statutes and uh you don't you know we have 60 we've had 60 years as i said
00:04:33.840 earlier of 50 states so what we're trying to do is change the constitution because the power that's
00:04:40.000 in party doesn't feel it has a 51 residence on its main signature issues and it's you know the last
00:04:47.280 election it was 70 or 80 000 votes aggregate from losing the presidency the house and the senate so
00:04:54.080 that's dangerous we don't currencies are very important you can see in ancient cultures when you start to
00:04:59.600 see how thin the veneer of silver is over bronze but when you're printing six trillion dollars and
00:05:06.480 we're getting up to a 30 trillion dollar debt we have a generation that's never heard of the word
00:05:11.280 stagflation or inflation yeah and prices have gone up two percent this month cars houses gas everything's
00:05:18.000 sky high that's worrisome because they don't seem to be aware of it what's going on we have let's just
00:05:25.280 talk about monetary here for for just a second we are changing absolutely everything um i mean we have
00:05:34.800 added states but the states that are being added now are just to give one party control it's almost
00:05:41.760 like the missouri compromise days where it's it's about a political agenda and adding states for a
00:05:48.480 political agenda um not because it enriches the country or or anything else when we are looking
00:05:55.760 at printing it's almost as i mean because it is it's historic um uh it's a historic fact that when you
00:06:07.200 debase your money the way we are debasing our money it's always going to end the same way so are we looking
00:06:14.880 at a group of of politicians that really know what they're doing and are intentionally trying to
00:06:23.840 destroy the country i don't know the answer to that because i don't know who's actually in control of
00:06:32.400 the policy i think people in the fed feel that we've been to that a let's face it it's a zero interest
00:06:41.440 interest policy because the one or two percent we're paying out on t-bills doesn't catch up with
00:06:48.800 inflation and they feel that in some way that redistributes capital so that people have a couple
00:06:54.160 works their entire life they have a hundred thousand dollars in the bank they get nothing for it whereas a
00:06:59.680 young young couple goes out and buys a home at two percent or you know a mega truck at seventy
00:07:05.600 thousand dollars at zero interest that's a transfer of real wealth and they like that
00:07:10.240 but there's others that are more radical and feel that you know that money is just a construct and
00:07:15.760 so if you get up to 110 percent of gdp of annual gdp and debt it's no problem and the more you do it
00:07:21.440 the more you do it it it it's going to redistribute wealth they're actively in favor of that and what's
00:07:28.560 weird is that because of the pin-up demand we're all locked down for a year and then the trump deregulation
00:07:34.080 and tax reform and all this oil and gas that we've produced we've got we're kind of running
00:07:40.640 on a flywheel we're still we we didn't need these stimuli is what i'm trying to struggle to say we
00:07:47.120 didn't need another four trillion because this thing is going to boom this economy but i think
00:07:52.560 we're going to at the end of the year early next year we're going to start to see what you and i
00:07:56.880 remember in our generation i'm a little older than you but 70s style you know six percent seven
00:08:03.440 percent inflation and then it can go higher and then it requires a fed to intervene with high
00:08:08.960 interest if that uh you know if that uh if the velocity of money starts moving if we do have a boom
00:08:18.320 then we will have inflation and you know i talked to art laffer years ago and i said art what you know
00:08:24.960 you were there in the uh 80s and you had to bring it back from the brink then and this is man we
00:08:32.240 probably had printed two trillion dollars and i said what is it going to take he said i can't imagine
00:08:38.000 the interest rate that it would have to be yeah well you know you can see there's not the demand i went
00:08:44.800 to i had a 16 year old pickup and i went out to a rural pickup dealer and they were selling five and
00:08:51.040 six and i bought a moderate moderate price to 60 000 today for pickup and i was the only one that
00:08:58.320 bought the moderate one all of these people were in line to buy the huge one 70 000 and i asked him
00:09:05.280 how they had the money he said most of them aren't working they have zero interest incentives gasoline
00:09:11.680 has gone up right down the corner a dollar ten cents in the last 90 days and houses in fresno county
00:09:19.200 believe it or not is the highest uh appreciating market in the united states right now 21 percent
00:09:25.280 in prices in the last six months so this and these not these are big item purchases so they're not in
00:09:31.200 the consumer price that you know food and stuff which already went up two percent almost last month
00:09:37.120 so it's it we're in an inflationary cycle and of course because we're paying the the national debt
00:09:43.760 nearly 30 trillion in cheap money at zero interest we we can't raise interest rates because if we do we
00:09:50.160 get up to 25 percent of the budget and debt screwed so how do we um tell me historically what happens
00:09:59.360 to a society when the when the average person it pays the real high cost because it will be the average
00:10:09.360 worker that because of inflation could lose according to i think it was bloomberg uh up to 48 percent or 48
00:10:19.440 cents on every dollar in the next five years if you're holding it in a savings account how does the
00:10:26.480 average person uh react when they've played by the rules and the rich are getting richer the the um poor
00:10:35.680 are getting uh help from the government and the ones in the middle are the ones called the problem
00:10:42.800 well you can see what's going to happen when if we get an eight or nine percent inflation or even six
00:10:47.280 or seven and these banks are on 30-year loans at two percent they're going to want to foreclose
00:10:53.360 and if a guy loses his job and even can't make that two percent loan which is because the principle
00:10:58.960 gets bigger and bigger as the interest gets lower and lower because everybody says you know it's all
00:11:03.280 about monthly payments i can buy a million more house but they're all overextended now and if the
00:11:10.000 banks don't want to be in that situation if we get an inflation so they're going to be very tough on a
00:11:14.720 missed payment so yeah we could have a really something like 2008 but what it's even more importantly
00:11:22.160 there's force multipliers and these these are cultural force multipliers getting back to your
00:11:27.520 original question and by that i mean to look at all of our institutions up the first and fifth
00:11:35.200 amendment do not exist on a university campus where i work i can't say something freely without
00:11:41.040 consequences a student who's accused of a particular crime cannot find due process if you the legal system
00:11:50.080 is asymmetrical if you go out with a thousand people and break quarantine and you're celebrating the la
00:11:55.360 lakers in la or blm then you're going to be waived and medical professionals will say as they did
00:12:01.120 that's necessary for your mental health to break the quarantine if you and i go into a church service
00:12:08.320 we could be fine if we don't have a mask if somebody is shot in the capitol who is a military veteran for
00:12:15.520 what could have been a felony breaking into the capitol and the officer shoots an unarmed woman we're not
00:12:21.440 going to hear about who the officer is we're only only going to hear how horrible this woman was
00:12:26.720 but if we have the same situation where the races are reversed it's going to be a national so the media
00:12:33.440 is fused with the progressive revolutionary movement and they pick and select these stories
00:12:39.200 i could go on but you get the picture that silicon valley facebook hollywood entertainment
00:12:45.440 traditional network media the foundations so all of the levers of influence wall street the corporate
00:12:52.400 boardroom coca-cola disney they all have either for careerist reasons or selfish reasons or for
00:13:00.160 ideological reasons they want to change the united states into something i guess it would be kind of
00:13:08.080 jacobin radical 51 percent vote on everything any given day and that would be a good interpretation
00:13:14.080 they want to get rid of a constitutional checks and balances republic so but when you have this
00:13:20.640 um has any nation recovered from that kind of of situation and if so how did they recover
00:13:31.840 how do you disenfranchise the center of the country have the elites um get stronger and more powerful
00:13:40.240 the poor or the disenfranchised uh if you're in a certain class you know held up if you're not in
00:13:47.040 a certain class and you're disfranchised it doesn't it doesn't matter the entire world seemed to be moving
00:13:53.440 towards uh brexit philosophy of i don't trust the elites i want the power closer to me um that's why
00:14:02.960 donald trump was elected that's why bolsonaro was uh elected they just didn't trust anything and it
00:14:09.440 seems as though the elites are closing ranks and pushing everything to an even bigger scale
00:14:17.280 how do you survive that has anyone survived well yeah they have i mean britain was as you remember
00:14:24.560 in the 70s was they were on a three-day work week they didn't they had blackouts and then margaret
00:14:29.040 thatcher came in and they said you can't do what you're going to do and she did and ronald wagen came
00:14:34.240 in and everybody said he's crazy there's paul volcker's got a 12 the first thing that happened
00:14:39.600 was the air traffic traffic controllers and he said they work for the government they're not supposed
00:14:44.240 to strike i just fired them all and they said you can't do that no one's ever done that and that was
00:14:49.200 the end of it and so you have figures like that that can or cannot come the jacobins took over the
00:14:55.360 french revolution and everybody thought robespierre would behead his way into perpetual power and
00:15:00.240 suddenly one day the thermadors came in and said you know what that's enough of that and he got it got
00:15:05.520 in line but what we're having now is the majority of the people if you look at every one of these
00:15:10.720 issues it's in the news open borders uh voter id more energy they're against their polling contrary to
00:15:19.920 what the biden administration wants but the biden administration relies on social media media as i said
00:15:28.080 professional sports entertainment figures corporate boardrooms uh universities k through 12 they have
00:15:35.040 a minority of support but they have a vast majority of capital that's new actually it's very rare when
00:15:41.040 you have a society where the wealthy and the establishment for whatever reason have become
00:15:46.960 proverbially woke so right now we're in a war we we know that we had a fair and free election on national
00:15:53.840 plebiscite most of these issues would lose but they want in this brief moment and this is what's
00:16:00.560 really scary because this is a bolshevik jacobin moment in a brief moment even though they don't
00:16:05.440 have white support even though there's no mandate like obama even obama obama had a mandate in 2009 with
00:16:11.600 a huge senate and house leader fdr but he doesn't even have that they just want to seize power change the
00:16:18.560 rules and then perpetuate or institutionalize their power and so it's very important that they're stopped
00:16:26.800 okay so let me ask you then this question really politically incorrect question but one i hear from
00:16:35.280 people all the time and i don't know the answer to it i'm just i am i'm averse to more chaos but people
00:16:45.760 will say okay you have people who are trying to change the constitution who are sworn to protect
00:16:52.080 it they're trying to change the very fabric of the country they are not in line with the people
00:16:58.400 and our rights that the government is supposed to protect uh are being violated and those who are
00:17:06.560 protecting it are the biggest violators of it so what do the citizens do what what what should we do
00:17:15.600 and what should we not do yeah well citizens in a constitutional republic have two choices cultural
00:17:26.320 social and political so if you're on the conservative side you've got to appeal to as many people as
00:17:35.200 possible and say 2022 is going to be your last chance you're not just have to win the house you have to
00:17:41.120 win it by a big margin and you have to take back the senate you've got to do that and that'll give you
00:17:46.720 two years of oxygen until you win the next uh race and you've got to get a candidate whether it's trump
00:17:55.040 or somebody like trump with that agenda that can get everybody back in and they have to have a 51 majority
00:18:02.960 republicans haven't won a 51 majority of the popular vote since 1988 and george w george hw bush won but
00:18:11.440 then culturally or socially you know conservatives are traditional people they worry about their
00:18:16.560 religion their community their family their business and they don't cancel people out they don't boycott
00:18:23.040 they don't embargo the left does that they always do that but they're going to have to step up
00:18:28.880 and i i i've used the term they have to live in a monastery of the mind where they just say you
00:18:35.120 know what i'm not going to make a big stuff deal about it but i'll organize locally but i'm not going
00:18:40.560 to do certain things so i decided maybe five years ago i would never again in my life watch an nba game
00:18:48.640 i think i made that decision now about major league baseball i don't even turn it off i go in a room and
00:18:53.040 it's on i turn it off i don't want to be preached to i have a granddaughter i didn't really
00:18:58.400 want her to watch the super bowl and that type of halftime entertainment i just quit not that i'd
00:19:04.400 like coca-cola but i'll never drink a coke again if i have a choice between flying delta i will not
00:19:09.680 fly delta if i can so these are minor little things but if it won't matter five million or ten million
00:19:17.120 do that but if you get a national movement where people say you know what the nba because of what we
00:19:23.760 have done is broke now and they're going to be overly pro chinese because that's the only revenue
00:19:28.480 they're going to have five billion market in china that's going to really expose a lot of this stuff
00:19:33.600 that they're doing and that applies to all of and then we have to have alternate institutions
00:19:38.880 parlay parlay parlay which everyone once proposed was destroyed by amazon and google and facebook and
00:19:47.520 twitter but we need it it will come back and we need these alternate institutions and then i think
00:19:53.520 when they see that that they're losing half their market or more they'll start to respond but we're
00:19:59.680 not doing that so but it is almost impossible i mean libertarians and generally uh small you know
00:20:08.720 government people they don't like doing things as a group you know it's herding cats um and we've never
00:20:16.160 done boycotts and i've never been for them until i really uh really studied martin luther king uh in a
00:20:25.280 different way not just academically but really trying to understand how it worked why it worked what the
00:20:33.200 failures were etc and he was right he said without a soundtrack so without the cultural presence and without
00:20:41.440 a uh an arm uh that is is uh punishing uh with boycotts uh and the love element where you are
00:20:52.640 seen always being good and decent so good and decent people want to join you it wouldn't succeed well we don't
00:21:01.600 have a cultural impact uh we certainly don't uh boycott anybody and i don't think especially boycotts if we don't
00:21:11.280 boycott i don't think it works because they're not afraid they know we don't do anything they're not
00:21:17.760 afraid they control the language too everybody's got to change the language what they're doing is jim crow
00:21:25.120 in reverse so when they i'll give an example if they predicate farm aid and they say a five billion
00:21:31.440 dollar farm aid is not going to be given anybody who's a wife or the ivy league this year say princeton
00:21:38.160 let's send 13 percent of their uh admissions are white males when it should be according to
00:21:44.880 proportional representation forget merit or whatever about 27 when they're not doing that
00:21:50.560 or if oakland uh parcels out subsidies for the poor except for white people when there are more
00:21:58.720 poor white people numerically than almost any group and when the wealthiest group in the united states per
00:22:04.080 capita by far are asian americans in a supposedly racist society twenty thousand dollars more than
00:22:09.680 per capita income what i'm getting at is that conservatives have to say that's racist i'm not
00:22:16.720 racist you're racist and i'm not and then when they go biden's when uh o biden said i'm calling him
00:22:23.200 o biden obama biden say but when he says we're going to outlaw the use of illegal alien and assimilation
00:22:30.160 we have to say if you're not going to assimilate you're going to turn into a balkan rwanda arras war
00:22:37.440 of everybody against everybody hobbesian war and so we've got to use the language back and there's
00:22:43.120 nothing wrong with the illegal alien alien just a latin word that means not of this place not born in this
00:22:48.560 country not a citizen and illegal means they're here unlawfully it doesn't mean undocumented doesn't mean
00:22:56.800 it's illegal it means that somebody did have all of his documents but if somehow they vanished in
00:23:03.280 thin air when he crossed the border and so they use the language very effectively and they're whether
00:23:11.840 it's micro when they use things like systematic or systemic racism and microaggression what they're
00:23:17.920 basically saying is we can't find demonstrable racism so we're going to redefine an aggression as a
00:23:24.320 micro it's subtle it exists only to people with proper antenna and if it's systemic it doesn't
00:23:30.320 mean it's overt just everywhere so if it's everywhere it's really nowhere and i think we we've got to
00:23:36.800 attack the way they use language and do it constantly and say you're the racist you're the
00:23:41.360 racist i know that we had a couple of scholars scott atlas and my colleague neil ferguson that were
00:23:47.840 brought up by the stanford faculty senate and they made these charges that we were too political or
00:23:53.840 ideological and one of them said you know you're racist the whole boilerplate and you're not doing
00:23:59.280 scholarly work and the only way to reply to them was to say wait a minute you have founded a campus
00:24:06.560 affiliate to antifa wait a minute you have posted anti-semitic literature wait a minute you haven't
00:24:13.200 written a book in in you know about nine years we've written 15 books in the time you wrote so you have to
00:24:22.320 hammer back and say if you really want to do this you're going to lose we didn't start it but we will
00:24:28.640 finish it and then they drop the charges but if we had just said i'm so sorry what could i do is there
00:24:34.800 a re-education program i can go and can i be back in the good places of the university but you have to
00:24:40.480 have i hate to say it you have to be polite but you have to have contempt for what they're doing and if
00:24:46.000 you don't have contempt for what they're doing then they're going to uh they want to find people
00:24:52.800 to apologize and then they say look at this person he confessed and we want to go to the next and the
00:24:58.400 next and once one person doesn't confess and reverses it it's kind of like the emperor has no clothes
00:25:04.640 you talked about you talked about this in uh one of your latest articles hang on just a second it was uh
00:25:11.520 new rules that are changing america and uh you were talking about how really mccarthyism is coming
00:25:20.560 rule number eight mccarthyism is good um that's the kind of thing that is happening once you give in
00:25:27.440 then they want names and then they'll go after somebody else and they want names and before you
00:25:32.640 know it you've sold out everything and remember the the people who and the difference there is i mean
00:25:41.360 at the very beginning there were communists it wasn't like the say them witch trial where there were
00:25:45.600 witches there were communists but it got after the original people like alger here were exposed they
00:25:51.520 went after i mean they went after orson wells and all these other people who were kind of naive in
00:25:57.280 their thirties but very patriotic they tried to destroy them and when enough people said no more
00:26:04.000 then mccarthy just kind of employed it imploded roy cone imploded that was the end of it and all of a
00:26:09.520 sudden we never really had a mccarthy period they said what was that all about just like me too
00:26:15.200 me too started out very well uh and well-intentioned because of the monstrosities of harvey weinstein and
00:26:21.760 that hollywood mostly left wing and lee but then it did something that was very dangerous they went
00:26:28.080 after brett kavanaugh and they created a new women believe must be believed meaning the accusation was
00:26:34.240 tantamount to the conviction and that started to work uh weaken it and then finally joe biden was
00:26:40.240 caught up in the web of me too with the tara reid allegations which by the way had some contemporary
00:26:46.640 communications that sort of corroborate it in a way that was never true of brett trump
00:26:51.600 and that ended it because they thought wow you we took out al frank in the u.s center now we're
00:26:57.840 going to take out the only guy who could might be this can't this can't go on and they sort of
00:27:03.280 cannibalize themselves and you're starting to see a little bit of that with this movement when they go
00:27:08.480 after some new york times op-ed writers or i think bill maher and they always do that there's you wake up
00:27:15.360 one morning and yesterday you were the revolutionary today you're the moderate and tomorrow you're dubbed
00:27:23.040 the sellout because there's no end to it until it flows so did you see the um op-ed piece from uh the
00:27:29.520 head of planned parenthood in the new york times yes yeah i think that's an example of that they weren't
00:27:35.120 saying oh we are racist whatever they said yeah okay so we accept that we don't have anything to do
00:27:40.880 with that but um we're going to clean out our own house and these these uh feminists radical marxist
00:27:49.600 feminists who won't go the next step and say a man can be a woman and a woman can be a man we're coming
00:27:58.080 after you i mean i i thought i took that op-ed not as a surrender but as a declaration of war on
00:28:06.400 more internal enemies did you read it that way yeah i did i i think that's why i mentioned earlier i
00:28:13.520 had that in mind in part when i said if we can get national republican leaders who can say look
00:28:20.480 we don't we never we're conservatives and traditionalists and you may not agree with this
00:28:24.800 if you're a swing voter or a democrat or a classic liberal whatever term you want to call yourself
00:28:29.360 but even you or especially you can't countenance this stuff and you know what's going on and we're
00:28:36.160 welcoming you in a coalition to stop it because this is beyond politics they were trying to destroy
00:28:42.240 statuary they were renaming names it's like the chinese culture level if you wake up well i woke up
00:28:47.920 i mean not woke up but i went one day to my office and there was punipio sarah boulevard
00:28:52.800 below the huber huber tower tower next next time i came over i said where's the sign they said oh
00:28:59.440 it's not named that anymore he whipped people in the 18th century i said he was one of the most heroic
00:29:04.560 catholic priests there was he walked in great pain he founded the missions he tried to bring agriculture
00:29:11.360 to this spanish call no matter and so when you get or the wilson center i'm not a big fan of woodwell
00:29:18.240 wilson but they just changed the wilson center princeton and so the asymmetrical application
00:29:24.720 of the law is very scary that we nobody's been indicted for the greatest material and human damage
00:29:31.760 and riots over 90 days we still don't didn't get very many indictments because the law is now saying
00:29:37.440 to all of us there is no such thing as the law there's certain types of laws and certain types of
00:29:42.480 victims and for certain type of victimizers and will adjudicate which is is and who faces and does
00:29:48.800 not face consequences but the moderate can't be for that they have they we have to get them on our side
00:29:55.200 as well so they won't be able to operate as they as they are now so so help me out because i think um
00:30:04.480 i was not a supporter of donald trump the when he first ran not at all not even close
00:30:09.360 however when i watched him i would have been a hypocrite um and just one of these never trumpers
00:30:19.280 if he would have if he would have done the things i thought he was going to do in office um i would
00:30:27.280 have stood against him but he actually did some amazing things i didn't like the way he spoke i didn't
00:30:34.560 like you know the twitter stuff whatever but that style the substance of him he was pretty good he
00:30:42.080 was pretty good in fact did things that i never thought any american president would do i.e uh israel
00:30:48.720 um but if in the end he was completely destroyed by a cabal of the elites those who just don't care
00:30:58.640 about what a president says because they're going their direction and they've been in the state
00:31:03.120 department or wherever for for however you have intel also i think completely corrupt now
00:31:10.320 if donald trump who doesn't care about any of that stuff in fact thrives on that stuff if he can't do it
00:31:19.040 who can don't you're absolutely right about donald trump i think my only criticism of him is he because
00:31:29.440 he was not a politician he was a little bit unaware of the power that the people had that were trying
00:31:37.200 to destroy him he felt i think so too by by sheer force of energy character he could tweet tweet tweet
00:31:44.560 and override them and he had no idea i'll give you one example the country's in flames that saint john
00:31:52.480 episcopal church is burning they're threatening to go onto the white house grounds he just says
00:31:58.960 i think we might have to get federal troops in washington immediately all of these retired
00:32:04.480 generals come out of the woodwork and they say you know what this is what a tyrant does and he
00:32:09.600 he has to back down joe biden says hey the four four former chiefs of staff of the joint chiefs are
00:32:16.400 going to walk him out of the white house and i'm thinking wait a minute the code of military justice
00:32:21.600 says that even retired officers are not supposed to disparage the commander-in-chief nobody cared okay
00:32:27.680 and he didn't have any idea that some of these people he'd appointed a high office now what do we have
00:32:34.560 we have riots and we have burning and we have everywhere does any of those generals say we need
00:32:42.160 to mobilize the federal troops some of them do but more importantly look at washington it's under bob
00:32:50.240 wire did any of them come out and say wait a minute you you weaponized the capital we haven't seen that
00:32:56.480 since jubile early marched on at the confederate war in 1864 and they didn't say a word but my point is
00:33:02.160 is he had no idea that the military was woke that the cia was woke the fbi was woke the media was
00:33:09.920 93 negative coverage according to the liberal shorenstein center he he had no idea that the oscars
00:33:16.320 the emmys the nfl golf everything was woke and so he he was sort of a tragic figure he was fighting a 360
00:33:26.640 degree fight and to get through to his supporters he got tougher and tougher and tougher and tougher and that fed
00:33:33.040 their narrative narrative and then he sort of you know i think i had written a couple of columns when
00:33:41.840 people asked well when was the election lost i thought the election was lost for trump in march
00:33:46.400 when they changed all of these states when i read in march and april they changed the state
00:33:51.280 voting laws yep to allow longer periods and no signature very kit verification or address i thought
00:33:57.680 wow and then when i heard mark zuckerberg was going to give 500 million dollars and others were going to
00:34:04.000 try to match him for pre-selected precincts to basically take over from the government their
00:34:09.440 responsibilities and and go out and get ballots and drop boxes i said how can anybody
00:34:16.080 fight that it's it's just impossible i think so if he had have just said
00:34:21.520 i was done a grave injustice structurally i had they changed the system against me i'm going
00:34:27.360 to go down to georgia i accept that i can't change it given the tools i have i'm going to go
00:34:32.400 down to georgia tell independence this is your future if you don't vote the right way and my
00:34:38.160 and my base i agree will count and then it's barnstorm the country right now no protest at the
00:34:44.480 he would be an andrew jacksonian figure right now he would say you know what i'm coming back in
00:34:50.080 righteous indignation and hurt and but you know humans are humans i think at some point i would get
00:34:56.960 up my say could i take what donald trump's taking this morning when the answer was unity i wouldn't be
00:35:01.280 able to do it yeah i i agree with you i was there at the white house when uh when he lost the uh uh last
00:35:09.040 supreme court uh a challenge you know right before christmas and it did not go it did not go well and
00:35:16.640 i i i was with my daughter and i said think of the the anger that you would have the righteous anger
00:35:26.160 you know you've been smeared lied about you know people in power and the media have just done a grave
00:35:35.040 injustice and yet you still had belief there's only so much a man can take before you know he's he's he
00:35:42.880 snaps and i think i would have snapped a lot longer or a lot um earlier than he did you know i don't he
00:35:51.680 was completely alone i i can tell you that i talked to an administration official uh about two weeks
00:36:00.880 before the inauguration i said you know what's happening now and he said what and i said the
00:36:08.640 biden vaccination in two weeks that will have saved him the country from the fact that trump never
00:36:16.000 had of course one million were getting vaccinated today and joe biden claimed that nobody had ever
00:36:20.160 been vaccinated and then i said the trump quarantine and lockdown will be liberated eventually
00:36:26.720 by the biden recovery and the biden boom and you've got to understand this is what it's going
00:36:33.360 to be like because he said to me well at least they'll know who did the vaccination and they'll
00:36:38.720 know that tax reform and deregulation and energy development and closing the border sparked this
00:36:44.640 fundamental economic foundation foundational change and they'll perpetuate i said no they'll take credit
00:36:52.000 for it as long as it's good and then when they screw it up they will blame you for it but you're
00:36:57.600 not going to get any credit whatsoever and i i remember telling the official you remember the end
00:37:02.720 of shane where shane you know kills all the bad guys and the cattle barons are gone in this valley and
00:37:08.320 he's wounded and he rides off that's sort of donald trump's fate he had certain skills that were necessary
00:37:14.080 to shake the system up but once he shook it up and it started to work even people who brought him in
00:37:18.880 thought wow i didn't sign up for that tweet about fauci couldn't throw a baseball very well or
00:37:25.200 something like that i can't be part of i can't be part of that thank you donald trump for stopping
00:37:30.560 illegal immigration thank you for re-formulating the entire middle east thank you for getting tough
00:37:36.400 with china thank you for making the nato countries step up thank you for changing the tax laws so people
00:37:43.040 would have a chance to invest and be prosperous and we have energy but those tweets man did
00:37:48.720 you really have to get all that change by tweeting and that's what happened so does he should he run
00:37:55.040 again um would he win with the way things are going to be and the the way it ended in the first term
00:38:06.160 you know that that's a question that requires that we fill in the blanks is what you really mean glenn is
00:38:12.880 is if ron de santis or or mike pompeo or nicky or any of these other people if we put them in that
00:38:20.640 place would they be able to have the resonant resonance uh that trump did with the air in other
00:38:27.360 words what they lacked in dynamism or sheer animal energy and bluntness and cutting through the swamp lingo
00:38:36.320 would that be uh more than compensated is they wouldn't get in gratuitous dead-end fights with
00:38:42.240 people i don't have that answer i do have the answer that if there is a candidate who feels that
00:38:48.800 they are going to run on a george w bush mit romney john mccain platform they're dead whether we like it
00:38:56.960 or not donald trump said this is a workers party we're not going to look at race we're going to look at
00:39:02.000 class we're going to try to unify people of different races by class concerns we're for the worker
00:39:07.280 we want you know we're not going to just dwell on capital gains tax cuts or cutting social security
00:39:13.120 maybe we should but we're not going to dwell on it and we're going to be tough on trade and
00:39:18.320 asymmetrical commercial practices by our enemies and allies and we're going to make sure the border is
00:39:25.760 only there it's only crossed legally and in americratic and measured fashion all of those
00:39:31.840 issues are going to be there and donald that was his great contribution i don't know whether he's
00:39:36.240 going to be the senior statesman or that he's going to come back if he comes back uh i don't know if he
00:39:43.040 can win 50 of the popular vote i think he can probably win the electoral vote and i don't know what
00:39:48.480 will happen if we repeat what we're doing but he would have he would be shot at metaphorically
00:39:55.120 360 degrees but i don't know if another candidate yet we don't we haven't seen enough of him has his
00:40:01.440 skills and as an outsider uh when nikki haley sort of thought well i'm going to finesse this or square
00:40:10.160 this circle i'm going to say that i'm for the trump agenda but i'm going to attack trump his mechanisms
00:40:17.040 or his modularities that didn't work i mean everybody said be quiet and then she kind of almost
00:40:23.440 to seek of squeak of sequentially had to go back and and try to get in his good graces so that paradigm
00:40:29.760 does not does not work anybody who's going to run it that's not going to work yeah and that is um
00:40:36.080 if he does run uh you know you'll split the party so badly i mean the the problem in america is we've
00:40:43.840 just become tribes and you are either 100 in that tribe or you're out and you're an enemy and that is
00:40:52.080 very harmful it's it's happening across the spectrum and uh you know we need a we need a unifying
00:41:02.240 uh uh moment uh where we don't look at the personalities we look at the qualifications
00:41:10.320 and the uh and the plan and come together and whatever our best shot is that's our best shot
00:41:18.080 uh but if we i agree if we tear it apart uh and lose we're done the reason the reason that all of
00:41:27.120 the media and people are looking at ronda santus is that he's kind of got the left can't go after him
00:41:34.880 because he doesn't have their credentials he's got all of their credentials educational etc he's run a
00:41:40.240 state and his theories at least that he would have no greater fatalities or case rates in california
00:41:48.800 but he wouldn't destroy the economy in the way california had that kind of has been uh substantiated
00:41:55.440 by events and i don't know i don't know anything about him but i'm not taking him as an endorsement
00:42:01.040 of him i'm just saying somebody who's actually run something and the left has trouble to attack him
00:42:07.360 because he's very very tough but he doesn't seek these sort of gratuitous encounters with
00:42:13.920 and he's got all the the things that they think they think not necessarily us but they think are
00:42:19.760 important but not yale hard all that stuff so that's why they're out to destroy him right now they they
00:42:25.520 fear him because people are moving to florida it's it's a successful state and he's got these skills
00:42:31.520 but you know he could end up to be a candidate like scott walker scott walker was the same way he was
00:42:36.240 top he had all the skills he ran a good state he looked like the ideal candidate but when he got
00:42:40.880 on the campaign trail he found it very different different than we thought that he would uh when
00:42:48.720 we first got on the uh we first got on uh skype together uh we heard a tractor go by and you said
00:42:54.800 you were on a farm and you used a word uh they're disking today and i thought i love a man who knows what
00:43:02.080 disking is in real life um yeah i i am uh a rancher a farmer kind of you know what i mean kind of like uh
00:43:12.960 jay leno is a you know is a mechanic a little bit yeah a lot of help um but the more i spend
00:43:22.080 in the soil the more i spend in as a farmer or in nature the more everything becomes self-evident
00:43:33.200 the more the universal way the that the nature's god works it all just answers itself and the community
00:43:43.680 helps each other because you can't be a jerk in a farming community because if you fail nobody's
00:43:51.760 going to be there to help you and you know you're there helping people because you actually care about
00:43:56.880 them but also because you know it's going to be your turn at some point and i i think we as a nation
00:44:04.800 have have lost something that was vital to our early success and that is this um soil rooted
00:44:18.240 common sense and decency does that make sense to you yeah it is that's one of my biggest worries
00:44:24.080 because when you read the federalist papers or look at the structure of the constitution or even you look
00:44:29.840 at more of the radical founders like jefferson who said this stuff won't work when people are piled up
00:44:35.040 in cities like europe we didn't even have a word for peasant in our vocabulary it was the homestead act
00:44:41.200 we our whole purpose was to have independent autonomous freeholding small agrarians and we've
00:44:47.840 lost so we still have that independent person the business person the independent trucker uh anybody who
00:44:54.080 doesn't depend on anybody other than himself is they're not the majority but they're very
00:44:59.680 necessary minority because they're sort of pragmatic and they're an atoll in the the flood and we need
00:45:07.360 more and more of them and yet we're being corporatorized social media it's making this uniform urban
00:45:15.120 type of population that wants something from somebody or is always victimized or always feels that
00:45:20.880 somebody is owed him or the farmer one of the things i realized farming is
00:45:26.160 uh you keep a tragic view i had a five acre we had about 200 acres and i farmed with my brother and
00:45:34.800 my cousin i thought well we did everything right with the santa rosa crop this year we thinned it right
00:45:40.800 we borrowed the money to spray to fertilize to prune i pruned the orchard you know 700 trees my brother
00:45:47.920 and i pruned them ourselves and i thought and then the fruit was beautiful and then 24 hours before
00:45:56.240 i looked at the orchard i said this is going to get uh this is going to make a profit of four thousand
00:46:01.920 dollars and eight we're going to clear twenty thousand dollars and it rained never rains in late
00:46:07.760 june and then it hailed and in five minutes it scarred and ruined the entire crop and we said
00:46:14.480 wait a minute we should have known that we should have done we should have had a boom that broke
00:46:19.200 up the hail or a mechanic there was nothing it was tragic and then once the farmer feels that way he
00:46:24.720 said there's nobody to blame stuff happens and i've got to find a way to survive that and so what i always
00:46:31.760 did after that was i said i'm going to lose this 10 acres or this crop on 30 acres i'm going to have a bad
00:46:39.360 year but i'm going to find a way to survive it and that makes you completely independent
00:46:45.920 best thing that ever happened and grateful and grateful and grateful and i really one of the
00:46:52.960 things we've lost is all reverence for our ancestors in this country and i live in this house that was
00:46:58.960 built by my great great grandmother and i look at my grandfather who was born here in 1890 and i didn't
00:47:05.760 appreciate him when i was a teenager and i thought wow he's always saying slow down be careful but how
00:47:12.400 he supported five people from 1910 till when he 66 years one of whom had polio my aunt who was bedridden
00:47:22.240 her entire life two other daughters and he never went broke but i mean my whole garage when i took it
00:47:30.640 over it was full of twine that had been reused wire that had been reused uh vineyard steaks that had been
00:47:36.960 used for the house everything yeah was not to go in depth and those values are were the best thing that
00:47:44.320 ever happened to me very briefly was i was 25 i had a phd in classics from stanford and there were no jobs
00:47:50.640 so i came home for a summer thinking maybe i don't want to go back east for a part-time job and my grandmother
00:47:57.600 said she was 90 and my parents said you've got to help us the house is full and the next thing i knew
00:48:04.880 i was doing it for five years and then i went to cal state fresno which was kind of a working class and
00:48:09.920 taught for 20 years but my point is that that five years saved me because i was becoming something
00:48:16.640 that i wasn't i was in a different world where their values were so crazy but when i came home i remember
00:48:22.160 my first thing my dad said to me well how'd it go up there and he was a learned person he had
00:48:27.440 he was a college administrator but he was a farmer too and i said it went pretty well he said what did
00:48:32.320 you what did you have to do for your phd and i said i i can write not just read but write in latin greek
00:48:37.600 and he said oh you can can you wire the 220 shed down there and i said no he said what the hell was
00:48:45.520 that what was the five years for if you can't do that and i got really angry at this time i had a
00:48:50.640 smart aleck brother who was very educated very smart guy and he turned to me and he said uh you remind me of
00:48:56.800 dr uh johnson's dog you know a dog that can dance on two legs is impressive but we want to know what
00:49:02.800 the purpose is that's what a lot of our educated people are they they have all of these esoteric
00:49:09.280 skills and law and all this and phds but they have no practical as you say knowledge that's grounded and
00:49:16.880 audited by physicality i was uh i was i had uh dinner with um the president of uh i think it was
00:49:28.400 rwanda a couple of years ago and um a few of the people that were brought over for this this um this
00:49:35.760 talk and they they were students in the united states uh and they had been part of the recovery of
00:49:42.080 of rwanda and every single one of the students when they got up to speak they said uh i'm taking
00:49:49.360 you know water for water water purification i'm taking farm management i'm taking infrastructure
00:49:56.560 building and the last one said i'm taking feminist holocaust studies and i i listened i leaned over to my
00:50:06.320 wife and i said she's staying the rest are going home and then by the end of her talk she was saying
00:50:12.240 and i'm staying here in the united states yada yada because everybody else was taking something of
00:50:17.520 value that could actually change people's lives and uh she had bought into the the western uh
00:50:27.360 you know uh excuse the expression mental masturbation i think yeah i had a guy i know what you're talking
00:50:33.920 about i had a guy i won't mention any things about him because i like him but he's an academic he he
00:50:38.640 drove all the way down here to talk to me and he said how can you live here and i said to him
00:50:43.200 where do you get your water in the bay area he said well i don't know it's in lakes i said where
00:50:48.800 is the water in lakes well it must come out of the ground i said no it comes 400 miles in the california
00:50:53.760 water project or from hitchhetchy you only have 17 and he said well where do you get yours i said i pump
00:50:58.800 my own water i know where the pump is i know how deep the well is i said where does your sewage go
00:51:04.160 and he said i don't know i guess i said it's treated and then it's dumped in san francisco bay
00:51:08.800 i can tell you where the sewage goes here and he said well who's responsible if i said i don't get
00:51:13.440 the pump working or the septic and uh sewer system working i'm in big trouble same thing with the power
00:51:20.400 same thing with everything and yet we have so many people that are dependent on muscular people
00:51:27.920 that was what was weird about the deplorables and trump that this billionaire from manhattan who must
00:51:32.720 have known something about his empire that he had guys that laid cement that he liked or wired
00:51:39.280 he would have been in the most unlikely person to say to the united states you wiped out the entire
00:51:45.040 interior without soaring sourcing and offshoring and moving factories and we're not going to do any
00:51:50.640 and these guys are valuable because when you look at those rallies they were saying basically
00:51:56.240 why don't we outsource uh academics or why don't we outsource insurance executives or why don't we
00:52:03.840 outsource lawyers why did you do it to lay the work we had cheap energy we had good infrastructure we
00:52:09.840 had good talent and you took our jobs because you wanted what to make a great deal of money in china so
00:52:16.640 that was what's really important about that mega agenda it was really a appeal to people who use
00:52:23.840 their hands and their muscles that they're not just simply irrelevant anymore that when we get up every
00:52:29.440 day people the first thing we have to do is eat the second thing we have to do is have fuel for heat or
00:52:35.920 transportation and the third thing we have to be is safe and all of those three demands have to be met
00:52:43.680 by people who use their muscles whether police or farmers or energy workers or frackers they're not
00:52:51.280 people that do what i do type and i you know that's you can get you can live one more day without a
00:52:58.640 column from victor hansen you cannot live without food or fuel or a policeman i you know that is the
00:53:08.240 i think that's the best thing i've heard in an interview that i've done in many many months
00:53:13.120 uh it's that understanding i think that we are missing in the country thank you so much for your work
00:53:19.440 on the 1776 project which we didn't get into uh i'm looking forward to your new book that is coming
00:53:25.120 out uh in october just yes thanks for your your your steady uh historic look at where we are uh at any
00:53:36.160 given time yeah i appreciate it thank you okay thank you for having me glenn
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