The Glenn Beck Program - July 17, 2021


Ep 110 ｜ The Trans Activism That Will End Your Parental Rights ｜ Abigail Shrier ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast


Episode Stats

Length

48 minutes

Words per Minute

165.86179

Word Count

8,071

Sentence Count

510

Misogynist Sentences

10

Hate Speech Sentences

21


Summary


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Over the past few years, the standard for controversy has dropped quite a bit.
00:00:05.060 For example, only a few years ago, the phrase only women can give birth wouldn't be controversial at
00:00:10.340 all. Now, saying that can get you banished from social media. In reality, it's all a distraction.
00:00:18.040 They don't want us to see what they're actually doing. We're not supposed to notice that until
00:00:23.440 about five years ago, only about 0.01% of the population identified as transgendered.
00:00:31.440 Before 2012, there was no scientific literature on girls ages 11 to 21 ever having developed
00:00:39.400 gender dysphoria at all. Now, prepubescent girls account for the majority of cases. What's
00:00:47.300 happened? In 2007, there was only one gender clinic in America. Today, there are over 300.
00:00:55.240 This should be concerning because something is changing. But the left's response to our
00:01:00.820 concerns is to blame us for the problems that I believe they are causing. Discourse is not
00:01:07.220 a part of their tactic. They'll hurl some insults, call you a transphobe, and then they're backed
00:01:13.460 up by the mob, a mob that includes Twitter, the mainstream media, Hollywood, Silicon Valley,
00:01:18.720 and now the federal government, right up to the office of the President of the United States.
00:01:25.020 I want to introduce you to somebody very controversial. She's an investigative journalist for the Wall
00:01:30.380 Street Journal, and she has focused on the transgender craze in her book Irreversible Damage,
00:01:36.360 the transgender craze seducing our daughters. In a move that surprised everyone, The Economist
00:01:43.920 awarded it Book of the Year. I can't recommend it highly enough. Irreversible damage. Every parent,
00:01:53.200 every grandparent, especially if you have daughters or granddaughters, you have to read this book
00:01:59.780 because something is changing in the world. And its author, because she's speaking the truth,
00:02:06.640 the facts, she has become one of the most controversial media figures of our time.
00:02:12.200 Target stopped selling it on its online stores. They've done that two times. This story just broke
00:02:18.220 today. Bookseller group apologizes to LGBTQIA+. Apologies are not enough. We've begun addressing this
00:02:28.940 today. Are committed and engaging in a critical dialogue needed to inform concrete steps to address
00:02:34.380 the harm we have caused. Why? Because they were selling a book? Her episode on the Joe Rogan experience
00:02:43.820 was one of the episodes that Spotify employees demanded to have removed from the platform when
00:02:49.560 she was on Jordan Peterson's podcast. Peterson, who's been on this show before, he has been completely
00:02:55.040 surrounded by controversy for the last four years. He said he was afraid that she was too controversial
00:03:01.720 for him to associate with. He said he had, quote, trepidation about even conducting the interview.
00:03:09.280 Wow. Well, that's exactly the kind of discussion that I think we all need to have. Look, if you're offended
00:03:17.260 by something, get over it. Listen to people who have a different point of view and find out where
00:03:24.220 we can connect or where we're wrong. What you're about to hear is the kind of conversation I had in
00:03:30.300 mind when I created the Glenn Beck podcast. So today, please welcome Abigail Schreier.
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00:05:07.640 Abigail, what does it feel like to be you today?
00:05:28.560 Interesting year.
00:05:30.160 I bet it has. You are not somebody. I mean, this, you know, I got into this business. I knew exactly what
00:05:37.460 I was headed in for. Did you have any idea what you were in for when you started looking into this?
00:05:45.540 No. You know, the world, the world has changed a lot. I think very quickly, the change has accelerated.
00:05:52.320 Certainly America has changed a lot. And I think that sort of the woke takeover has really accelerated
00:05:58.200 in the last few years. So it was possible to start writing a book thinking, OK, there are going to be
00:06:03.600 some activists who freak out. But this is still America. They're still going to sell my book at
00:06:09.600 Target. They're still going to, you know, abide their commitments to provide books that people
00:06:14.540 want to read. And I sort of, you know, found a very different, you know, one year later, it's a
00:06:20.360 very different America. So I don't know if you saw what happened today. The
00:06:25.180 HSS has come out and said they've got to stop disinformation. Now they're using COVID, but they're
00:06:34.140 talking about any kind of medical advice that goes against, you know, common practice and common
00:06:42.660 knowledge that it needs to be suppressed and people need to be called out for it. That is that's not going
00:06:51.200 to stay just with COVID. And that to me is extraordinarily disturbing, even if it was only
00:06:57.020 about COVID. Yes. I mean, look, my book's about a medical scandal, which is the total lack of
00:07:04.320 oversight and of, you know, teenage girls getting access to hormones and surgeries with completely
00:07:11.740 inappropriate lack of any kind of therapeutic or medical oversight. And frankly, lack of under,
00:07:19.680 you know, forthrightness on the part of the medical community about, you know, how dangerous some of
00:07:24.820 these drugs are, how risky they are. You know, and all I'm, you know, pushing for is greater discussion
00:07:31.020 and more transparency. But I just want to make clear, you are not against trans people. If you're an adult
00:07:40.340 and you want to do whatever you want to do, that's what you do. Right. Not only am I not against trans
00:07:47.220 people. I mean, I have not really care for a lot of trans people. I know, you know, very much now,
00:07:52.980 you know, I'm, I'm close to, but, but not only that, I would say that I'm not even against medical
00:07:57.320 transition. So, um, I, I don't personally have any issues with adults transitioning. And in fact,
00:08:03.780 I've known enough transgender adults that I can say, I honestly believe some of them have been
00:08:08.000 greatly helped by it. Um, what my concern is just that you see a rash of teenage girls
00:08:14.280 who decide with their girlfriends that they're trans. It does not look like traditional gender
00:08:19.420 dysphoria. And rather than doing any kind of differential diagnosis to make sure that these
00:08:24.300 girls are getting proper treatment, the medical community, which is now activist guided is now
00:08:29.960 rubber stamping transitions for teenage girls. It's really frightening. And I, I was not aware,
00:08:35.040 um, at how few, um, uh, gender dysphoria, uh, cases were happening with, with girls, um, until your
00:08:47.660 book. I mean, you would think that it's everywhere now and that's new. Can you explain that?
00:08:55.660 Yes. So we've, we've seen this a number of times. There've been some wonderful books written about
00:09:00.020 this actually. Uh, um, Daniel, I think it Lee Kravitz, um, wrote a wonderful book about this
00:09:07.120 and, and about, about contagions, pure contagions. So, so we've seen suicide do this where people
00:09:13.640 find out about it. And then there's a young teenagers who are in real mental distress, decide
00:09:18.940 that that's, that's the best option for them. So it's like a copycat in a way. It does. We,
00:09:25.140 anorexia and bulimia has always spread among teenage girls this way. And now we're, they look to the
00:09:30.000 culture to understand why they feel so bad inside. I mean, they have real anxiety and depression
00:09:35.160 and, and the, the, um, explanation that the culture, social media influencers, their, their
00:09:41.160 teachers, um, they're certainly their therapists and social workers at school. Can't wait to give
00:09:46.400 them is I know what your problem is. You're probably trans. So this, when you've brought up
00:09:53.880 anorexia and bulimia, that was the culture saying, well, because you're fat, because you're
00:09:59.880 not pretty enough, you're whatever now, um, uh, now as we, I think, begin to correct that
00:10:09.340 we're doing something much, much worse and telling our young girls, you're confused.
00:10:16.720 You should, you should have gender, uh, transition, right?
00:10:23.560 That's exactly right. I mean, they're, they're getting it from not only peers and teachers
00:10:27.860 at school, but on online influencers. Remember they spend most of their time online. Now they
00:10:32.880 spend a great deal of time, um, and much less time with each other and online. There's so many
00:10:37.580 influencers who have these very well-produced videos, you know, Tik TOK, Instagram, YouTube,
00:10:42.520 and who can't wait to tell them that they've never felt better since they went on T
00:10:47.220 testosterone. And, um, you know, if you don't feel comfortable in your body, if you feel awkward
00:10:52.500 in your body, if you don't feel perfectly feminine, you're probably supposed to be a boy.
00:10:57.040 I mean, but don't a lot of girls, you were a tomboy growing up, right? So don't, I mean,
00:11:03.020 I've, I've known a lot of tomboys that, you know, were, you know, are, are, didn't need to transition
00:11:10.080 grew out of that. Um, or even if they didn't, they still are not transgender. I mean, right.
00:11:19.240 Because we left them alone. We left girls alone. We didn't carve up girlhood the way we do today.
00:11:23.980 Now we examine it. The, uh, in school from kindergarten on, they're taught only they know
00:11:28.720 their true gender identity and look at the characteristics of boys. And this might mean
00:11:33.280 that you're somewhere on the spectrum between, you know, perfectly female and, you know, gen,
00:11:40.180 you know, non-binary and one of these other, you know, there are so many at this point, exotic
00:11:44.340 gender identities to choose from. And so girls are really being coached all over. And then the moment
00:11:50.160 they identify the, you know, girls who are in pain, who are awkward, who are struggling to fit in
00:11:55.140 are celebrated. So it's a situation where, um, sorry, it's a situation where, you know, it's,
00:12:03.280 it's like they, they, they, they think this might be the explanation. And then they moment they commit
00:12:08.640 to it, they get more love than they've ever gotten from their peers. And is it happening
00:12:14.780 at the same rate with boys? Um, you know, it isn't, I mean, well, two things. One, the, the reason that
00:12:23.680 we, one of the reasons we know that this is a social contagion and it really does look like a social
00:12:28.720 contagion is because girls have never historically experienced this gender dysphoria in any significant
00:12:34.300 numbers. And especially when people did experience it, they always had a childhood history. These
00:12:39.440 are girls with no childhood history and it's suddenly occurring to them in friend groups
00:12:44.020 in adolescence. So wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. What do you mean? What do you mean a history?
00:12:48.300 You know, go ahead. Gender dysphoria typically began in early childhood, ages two to four. It was,
00:12:54.520 began with little children to, um, little kids saying, no, mommy, I'm not a boy. I'm a girl.
00:12:58.660 It was always overwhelmingly male. Most boys would outgrow this. Many would become gay adults and some
00:13:03.860 percentage of them would go on to become what we used to say, call transsexuals. And it did afflict
00:13:09.240 women, but a vanishingly small number, 0.003%. So you're talking about one in 30,000 women, very,
00:13:15.860 very small numbers. Um, today, teenage girls who have no childhood history are the leading demographic
00:13:23.680 of those claiming to have gender dysphoria. This is out of nowhere. It's across the West.
00:13:28.700 There's been an explosion. Um, the UK gender clinic says it's never seen anything like this.
00:13:33.680 And, and we're seeing this in America as well, between 2016 and 2017, the number of gender surgeries
00:13:39.760 for, um, you know, on natal, on biological females, I think it quadrupled. So you're looking at
00:13:46.260 very high numbers. Yeah. What did you find from, I mean, I really thought that we had learned the
00:13:56.380 lesson in the progressive genetic craze or eugenic craze that, uh, doctors slow down, slow down. Um,
00:14:07.080 but it, it is, it, it, I don't know what, what happened to these doctors? How come there aren't
00:14:12.920 doctors that are saying, well, let's slow down here. Cause this is a massive, massive change to
00:14:21.040 somebody. So the doctors, believe it or not, mostly agree with me. And they're mostly, I mean,
00:14:27.160 I interviewed a lot of doctors. That's how I was able to write the book and mostly think this is way
00:14:32.660 too fast with too little oversight and too risky and intervention without, you know, the problem is
00:14:39.880 the activists got into the accrediting organizations and made affirmative care, meaning agreeing with the
00:14:45.720 patient self-diagnosis that became the medical standard. So they have to, their job is now to
00:14:51.540 agree with the patient. And then 20 States in America passed, uh, conversion therapy bands and
00:14:58.600 they, you know, they snuck in gender identity language so that the conversion therapy bands,
00:15:03.660 you can lose your license for, for so-called conversion therapy. If you try to get a young
00:15:09.240 person comfortable in their, in their gender, in their, in their biological sex, which is the way we
00:15:14.340 have always treated gender dysphoria. Now the best practitioners are very afraid that if they speak
00:15:20.140 up, they'll lose their licenses. Well, somebody has got to do something because you can't fight this
00:15:26.160 out on, on your own. So I don't know about you, but, uh, there are times, well, all the time that
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00:16:50.480 clinics are popping up. We have 300 clinics now in America. So are these doctors that are at these
00:16:59.240 clinics? Are these ones who are all on board and they believe it? No. Um, first of all,
00:17:06.120 at these clinics, very often, they never see a doctor. Teenage girls will go in. They leave that
00:17:10.880 day with a course of testosterone without even a therapist. No, no, no psychological nothing.
00:17:17.420 No. And in fact, um, um, you know, it depends on the age of medical consent varies by state.
00:17:23.560 15 year olds in Oregon can not only get testosterone, they could have their breasts removed without
00:17:27.960 parental permission. So you're, you're, you're talking about a real abdication by the medical
00:17:33.920 community. And unfortunately, a lot of the best doctors have quietly shifted their practices. So they
00:17:40.280 don't have to deal with this by not seeing these patients, um, because they don't, they don't want to
00:17:45.580 lose their licenses and they're horrified by what's going on. Gosh, where does this end? I mean,
00:17:51.980 I know I'm skipping ahead here, but where does this end? I think it ends in the courts.
00:17:57.040 Um, but you know, I, I hope, you know, there was a real awakening in the UK because a young woman
00:18:03.500 sued the cure a bell, sued the gender clinic in the, in the UK and said, look, I was, I was 15
00:18:09.540 years old when I started this. Nobody, you know, questioned me that I had gender dysphoria. I had a
00:18:15.460 lot of problems and this isn't right. And now I'm, you know, worried I'm sterile and I have no breasts.
00:18:21.480 I mean, this is, and, and so the UK has very much awakened to this, you know, they've, they've
00:18:27.160 stopped, um, the gender treatments for minors, the, the earlier protocols they had for, for puberty
00:18:32.760 blockers. They've, they've arrested them in, in Sweden because of concerns that these were far
00:18:39.020 riskier and far less, um, um, helpful than they had earlier thought for some reason, you know,
00:18:46.080 they had become convinced that this was the cure for suicide when there really wasn't good data to
00:18:50.580 show that. Um, and, um, so every, everywhere else seems to be waking up to this, the U S which is in
00:18:57.160 the grips of woke madness where you can never question anything. The activists tell us, um,
00:19:03.280 we're, we're, we're going to have a much longer haul. How, how do we, how are we perceived around
00:19:07.860 the rest of the world in the medical community? I mean, yeah, I, I, I it's, it's worth, it's a good
00:19:15.400 question because, you know, I, I have to say that, you know, journalists in the UK say to me all the
00:19:20.900 time, what is going on over there? Because they cannot believe that you can't even that the mainstream,
00:19:26.940 you know, non won't even carry a review of my book. Um, the, the mainstream newspaper,
00:19:33.660 the legacy media in the, in the U S, um, in the UK, this is all mainstream. So I've been,
00:19:39.100 you know, I was a book of the year and by the economist and the times of London, they are
00:19:43.460 actually willing to have open dialogue and their doctors are really speaking out. And we do have a
00:19:49.600 good group of doctors that has started to speak out the society for evidence-based medicine,
00:19:54.020 but it's, it's really just getting going and, and doctors are still very afraid in,
00:19:58.820 in America to lose their jobs. I I'm, I'm so afraid. I mean, um, uh, what's his name?
00:20:05.120 President Eisenhower talked about this very thing in, uh, his farewell address. He wasn't just talking
00:20:11.700 about the military industrial complex. He talked about the scientific and educational complex that if
00:20:18.200 you get money and politics involved, it's going to spiral out of control. And, uh, I mean, I don't,
00:20:26.700 I don't even know how we got here on this, you know, we've, we've said for a long time, well,
00:20:32.440 that's a slippery slope and that's not a slippery, how did we get here?
00:20:37.520 Yes, it's, it's going to get a lot worse. So, so obviously there's been something of an
00:20:41.800 institutional takeover, you know, a lot of the institutions that were supposed to, including the
00:20:45.960 medical accrediting organizations that were supposed to protect patients, but we have a big
00:20:50.400 problem in the U S and it's only getting worse. And the reason is, is, you know, a lot of good
00:20:54.540 doctors have debunked the activists, um, research, which is really, really shoddy research. But right
00:21:01.340 now in America, all the funding is for activists to do their research. So they're pumping out this
00:21:06.800 research that is, it takes, you know, it's getting debunked, but it takes some time. Meanwhile,
00:21:12.880 they are trying to make the case, even in some medical journals, that parents custody should be
00:21:17.800 taken away. They should care. Parents should lose their kids. If they don't immediately affirm
00:21:21.820 a young teen who says they're transgender, if they don't immediately put them on a track to
00:21:27.040 transitions and, and surge, you know, hormones and surgeries, this is the stuff that's appearing
00:21:31.720 in our medical journals. It is a nonstop trans activism celebration zone. Um, so, so we're in for,
00:21:38.940 for a really rough road, uh, continued rough road ahead. I think in this country,
00:21:43.020 you wrote a story for the city journal, um, about, uh, Pakistani immigrant named Ahmed. Can you,
00:21:50.680 can you tell that story? Sure. So I was called, um, this was a parent who reached out to me in October
00:21:56.660 of last year, uh, 2020. And he, he said, um, that, um, he had dropped his suicidal, um, child off at,
00:22:07.840 it was a son off at children's hospital in Seattle. And he was a teenager and, um, and he was, he
00:22:15.880 couldn't be there with his son because his son was, you know, because it was during COVID, but the
00:22:21.040 doctors, he started getting notes from the hospital. He checked his son in and the boy was autistic.
00:22:26.240 He had a lot of problems, you know, had gotten very depressed during COVID and that he started
00:22:31.360 getting notes from the hospital. You know, we'd like to talk to you about your daughter. And in the
00:22:35.880 state of Washington, where he called me for the age at which mental health, gender affirming mental
00:22:40.900 health therapy, um, which can include, you know, you know, encouraging progress to hormones and
00:22:46.500 surgeries, um, that, that, um, that can begin at 13. So this boy who was in, who had admitted to
00:22:54.380 their care, the man called me in a panic realizing he might not get his son back if he didn't go along
00:22:59.420 with this. Um, and, and then, you know, I, I, I talked to more and more parents. Yeah. I listened
00:23:04.660 to his story. I tried to help him. And then I talked to more and more parents in these states.
00:23:09.200 And there are a lot of them now gender, you know, gender affirming care or mental health care is
00:23:13.480 available to very young teens. Parents can't even know about it. Doctors aren't even allowed to tell the
00:23:18.900 parents about it and insurers can't notify parents. So the, the, they're really shifting power
00:23:25.340 from, um, from parents to young teens who are often under the influence of activists.
00:23:31.620 So what is, what, what is the goal of the activist? Cause I, I, you know, I have a lot of gay friends,
00:23:39.500 I have gay employees. We've worked together for 20 years. We're great friends, no problems.
00:23:45.620 And they will say to me, I'm not part of that. You know, they, they believed in gay marriage,
00:23:53.660 everything else, but they, they were, they're like, okay, okay, wait, what's happening. It's gone
00:23:59.120 over a cliff. Who are these people that are the activists? So, so I'll, I'll go even further than
00:24:06.120 when you said, not only is this not about gay people, it's not even about trans people because
00:24:11.880 transgender people. And I know a lot of them at this point are lovely. They're wonderful Americans.
00:24:16.860 They are living good, healthy lives. Um, the activists, the woke activists are, are whether
00:24:23.740 you're talking about black lives matter or critical race theory or gender ideology. They are very often
00:24:28.920 the exact same group. They are, you know, completely committed to recruiting revolutionaries. They are
00:24:35.340 completely committed to disrupting nuclear, you know, the American family attacking, you know,
00:24:41.320 attacking the nuclear family. And, um, they, they want to sow chaos and they're really effective at
00:24:48.260 doing it. It is remarkable to me. Cause I, I look at, um, CRT and I, I just can't think of anything,
00:24:57.020 any way to describe that other than evil, because it only sows chaos. It tells people you can't do it
00:25:04.600 because these people who are irredeemable, there is no forgiveness. These people are in your way.
00:25:11.100 So get them. I think that's pretty darn evil. And it feels like that's what is happening to us,
00:25:19.600 that there's this, there's this force of people out there who are just living for destruction
00:25:25.700 of everything that we know historically is good. That's right. Um, you know, critical race theory
00:25:33.900 teaches children to hate each other and hate themselves. And gender ideology tells young people
00:25:38.880 to hate their own bodies. It tells them that there's something wrong with them. If they don't
00:25:42.660 feel perfectly feminine or perfectly comfortable at 13 in a very fast changing body. Um, it is an
00:25:49.460 incredibly destructive ideology and it's being promulgated in many, many public school systems
00:25:56.420 across the country. And it's even worse than that. They often hide it in the curriculum. So in
00:26:01.300 California, they don't put it in the sex ed curriculum. And it's not just California. I was recently told
00:26:06.060 another public school system did this as well. They don't put it in the, in the, in the sex ed
00:26:10.520 curriculum because the parents can opt out of that. They stick it in the anti-bullying curriculum.
00:26:16.140 So parents didn't even know it was being taught.
00:26:18.320 Um, let's talk about the ones that are most effective. Let's talk about the children and,
00:26:27.680 uh, the parents. If you're a parent, I mean, I don't know about you, but I've been sideswiped
00:26:34.240 so many times by my children. You're like, wait, what, what is that? You didn't even know.
00:26:40.520 Um, what are the early signs for parents? And talk to me about the, the, the girls.
00:26:48.860 Right. So this goes along with certainly anxiety and depression, which we've seen a lot of in these
00:26:54.360 teenage girls. Uh, these are the highest rates of that ever recorded. And, um, and it goes along
00:27:00.640 with having trouble fitting in socially, which, which afflicts a virtual, virtually every teenage girl
00:27:05.420 girl. And the early signs is they start, first of all, spending a lot of time on social media
00:27:10.360 because a lot of times they'll get it within social media and their friends, their group of
00:27:14.640 friends will often come out as trans together. That's one of the, you know, most obvious signs
00:27:19.900 of pure contagion. And so they'll start saying first, they usually come out as I'm not, I'm not
00:27:25.560 straight mom. I'm pansexual. Keep in mind, these are girls who often have had zero sexual experience.
00:27:30.640 They've never even held a boy or girl's hand. So these, these girls aren't spending much time
00:27:35.260 with their peers in person. They're spending a lot of times online and they reach for these
00:27:39.220 exotic gender and sexual identities that give them cover in a, in a really scary.
00:27:45.020 So what, what is it that they are? I mean, I knew how I felt about girls and I'm sure gay
00:27:52.060 men knew exactly how they felt about boys. You, um, you, you just feel differently. So what
00:27:59.480 is the, what, what is it that they're feeling that may say that makes them say I'm pansexual?
00:28:06.440 So it's a little different for, for these girls. First of all, they have spent far less time with
00:28:12.080 each other. Boys and girls were left alone, um, especially into adolescence much more than these
00:28:18.560 kids are today. So they're very immature. And I mean that in a sort of romantic sexual development
00:28:24.760 sense, they don't know what they want. They've never spent enough time in person to get exposed.
00:28:29.980 They're exposed to so much horrific stuff so early. That's right. And they're also exposed to
00:28:36.260 online porn. That's right. So, so what does that do to them? Let me just, my, my son, I remember
00:28:44.240 the first time he saw porn because it devastated him. He was probably nine and stumbled onto something
00:28:53.720 on the internet and it was, he was, I mean, he was shook for a long time. It was something
00:28:59.480 not, you know, not normal. Um, and, uh, and I just remember him for a long time being shook by that.
00:29:09.020 So that's exactly right. Yeah. So these girls are seeing really horrific porn. They're seeing choking
00:29:14.740 and at a very young ages, like you said, you're with your son at nine, very young ages, you know,
00:29:19.600 nine, 10, 11, they're seeing this and it terrifies them. Meanwhile, they don't have time alone with
00:29:24.680 their girlfriends. They don't have time alone with boys. They're, they're all there with mom
00:29:28.280 or on the internet all the time. So their own real, you know, romantic and sexual development
00:29:34.160 is very arrested and they just know it's not great to be a white girl today. So they can choose,
00:29:40.720 they try to choose one of these other identities that might get them a little more, um, you know,
00:29:45.540 celebration. Wow. Wow. I never even thought of that. The pressure just to not be in a special
00:29:54.660 category. Yeah. So what do, what do parents do? Well, there are a few things you can do and it
00:30:04.560 really depends on the age, you know, the earlier, the better, but one of the big things is social
00:30:09.640 media. I mean, my own view is we have to get young teens off it completely. They should absolutely
00:30:16.240 not be allowed to have teenage kids. I do not. Okay. I do. I mean, that's, uh, it's not impossible.
00:30:24.320 I just don't know how to do it. Well, let me just say this. You're talking about a straight line
00:30:31.480 between social media and cutting self-harm, depression, anxiety. I mean, all kinds of
00:30:38.360 psychological misery. So, so let's just say the risks are so severe. It's just a no brainer to me.
00:30:45.080 I kind of don't care what you have to do. My, you know, my kids are not yet in their teen years,
00:30:50.620 but you know, when, when they are, we will get them a flip phone. They're just not going to have
00:30:56.020 a phone with them. They're not a smartphone. Um, now, obviously if you're talking about an 18 year
00:31:02.200 old, you know, the older they get, it's harder, but, but certainly 13, 14, do not introduce it.
00:31:08.360 Second of all, absolutely oppose gender ideology in the school. Okay. There's no reason we can't
00:31:15.620 show compassion for trans identified kids without, um, indoctrinating an entire population in gender
00:31:22.140 confusion. So what does that mean? What are we, what are you standing up against? Find out if gender
00:31:29.560 ideology is taught in your school. The answer, it probably is. Okay. Find out if your kids are
00:31:34.840 hearing about exotic identities at school and go in and tell, and don't stand for it. Tell them you
00:31:39.940 don't want that being taught to your kids. You, you really, they, they should not be indoctrinated
00:31:45.100 in the idea that there might be something fundamentally wrong with their bodies, especially
00:31:49.960 for teenagers who are concerned that there is, that they are ugly, that there is something wrong with
00:31:54.860 them. And frankly, most of these kids had never had the thought until they were introduced to it
00:31:59.600 by social media. It is, um, to be a parent is overwhelming. I have kids that are in their thirties
00:32:09.440 and I have kids that are now just getting, you know, uh, to the end of high school and the world
00:32:17.080 was scary enough when I was raising, you know, the 30 year olds, uh, young now it is just, it's
00:32:27.640 everything. It is everything that is coming at the kids. There is no, you know, people say all the
00:32:34.900 time I, well, I grew up and I knew about that and I'm fine. Well, yeah, because the water you were
00:32:42.200 floating in was generally good. And then there'd be a piece of garbage or sewage that would come by
00:32:49.360 every once in a while, we're now floating in sewage. And if you're lucky, something good will
00:32:55.960 pass by. That's right. That's exactly right. And parents need to know about that. I mean,
00:33:02.360 you know, it, you know, the, the parent, the teachers I interviewed in the public school system
00:33:07.080 in California for my book, um, told me that parent rights end at the school door. When,
00:33:13.240 when you drop your kids off, I'm sorry, basically your rights are over. And that is the act. That
00:33:19.140 is the attitude of, unfortunately, a lot of social worker activists, um, and a lot of teachers and,
00:33:25.440 and, and therapists, their attitude is, I know, you know, I am, I may only see you for 45 minutes,
00:33:30.920 you know, one 45 minute session, but you and I know that you're really this new identity and let
00:33:36.920 me affirm you and further confuse you. How fast do you think it's coming to where we could lose our
00:33:43.100 kids to, to the state where we don't, where you don't behave right? Um, you've lost your kids.
00:33:51.900 That's already happening. I mean, as I wrote in, in, in, uh, the city journal piece,
00:33:56.140 parents custody is being threatened, um, and, and, and social workers and, and, and, um, therapists
00:34:03.580 and doctors are literally, um, going along with this idea that if you don't affirm your kid,
00:34:09.460 you are committing an act of abuse and you are now an abusive parent. Um, and the child should be taken
00:34:15.640 from you. We're, we're seeing this being reported. And, um, you know, I happen to know certain ongoing
00:34:21.200 cases, um, where parents can't yet come forward, but this is very much the issue. There, there doesn't
00:34:28.100 seem to be, um, any safe place to run, you know, in, in America, we, for people who still, I think,
00:34:39.580 have common sense, um, there doesn't seem to be a safe place where you can go and go, Oh, thank
00:34:48.020 goodness. There is no place. So here's what I'll say. There's no safe place, but there is safe
00:34:54.680 people. If we can realize that this is not a red blue issue. Okay. This is not, Oh, it's those crazy
00:35:02.120 blue States. This is everywhere. And if we come together, I truly believe this. If we can come
00:35:07.560 together with Americans of all political stripes, parents, and there are across most of the parents
00:35:13.700 who reach out to me who are horrified or liberal conservatives and liberals really need to come
00:35:19.040 together on this and oppose the woke indoctrination of their children and the corruption of their kids
00:35:24.980 with gender ideology. So, so how do we do it? Because I know conservatives and I don't care
00:35:32.020 what anybody calls me. And I think there's a lot of people in the audience that feel the same way.
00:35:36.340 Oh, you've called me everything under the sun already. What, how much worse could it get?
00:35:40.180 But there's a lot of people that we know the minute we say something like you, you're a transphobic,
00:35:48.660 you're, you know, a Puritan, whatever it is. So how do we approach this? How do we bridge the gap
00:35:56.120 with people that we don't necessarily always agree with? Well, you know, my, my advice is to just speak
00:36:03.000 clearly and, you know, without being, you know, you know, offensive on purpose, but I don't mean,
00:36:10.700 I don't mean go around offending people, but to speak clearly about your concerns. It's something
00:36:14.780 I've, I've tried to do. And, and, and, and, you know, I, I certainly, you know, do not, you know,
00:36:21.620 countenance bigotry, but this isn't about bigotry. This is about the harm to young girls and young
00:36:27.280 people and no adequate oversight oversight. This is about common sense. And if you just keep it in
00:36:32.860 those terms, which really, really is where it belongs, I think, I think we could win on this.
00:36:38.820 So I'm afraid that so many things are like, um, uh, are like CRT where you can stand up against it
00:36:48.060 and you think you won, but you haven't, it's just morphed. Um, they will come out and tell you,
00:36:54.100 and then they realize, Oh crap, uh, not everybody likes this. And so then they'll,
00:37:00.640 they'll fight it for a while. Then they'll start to claim, which they are on CRT.
00:37:04.520 That's not even taught. That's not even taught. It's nowhere. And as you say, it's in the curriculum.
00:37:09.140 It's just not where you think it is. Right. So there may be no hope for the public school system.
00:37:15.040 Let me just say that outright. I don't know that there's any hope there.
00:37:17.880 Um, wait, wait, that's a big statement. Wow. I, but, but we're, I mean, just to be honest,
00:37:25.240 it's so thoroughly infiltrated. You have teachers at behaving like activists across the country
00:37:30.580 who have no interest in actually teaching. They believe their job is to remake your child.
00:37:36.280 Uh, we're seeing so much evidence of that. I think it's fair to say that it may be
00:37:40.940 too deeply rooted in the ideology being taught in public school. I'm not sure. I mean,
00:37:46.600 I, I, I'm not sure that the public school system is redeemable at this point. I just,
00:37:51.060 I don't know. I think it's an open question. Um, I wonder, I wonder how much of our society is
00:37:56.540 redeem. I mean, it feels like we, you know, I hate to use this phrase cause it's, it's, uh,
00:38:00.700 something that is actually not good, but it feels like we do need a reset. I mean, uh, except
00:38:06.800 on, on, on values. And I think we're getting a reset right now that is taking us into very dark,
00:38:13.840 dark, dark places that, you know, if we don't come together and say, I'm out, I'm out of that.
00:38:22.960 It's going to get right. I go ahead. I think, I think we, we could have a reset and lost parts
00:38:28.360 of the country. I'm not sure the public, I think the public school system is going to lag behind,
00:38:32.380 um, and, and continue with this ideology for quite some time. Um, but I do think that parents
00:38:39.580 are waking up every day across the political spectrum to what's being, you know, done to
00:38:45.360 their children, how their minds are being warped. But that will be, if we give up on the public
00:38:49.960 school, that will leave trapped a lot of people in the public school. And then we are balkanized.
00:38:57.040 Then, then we, I mean, I'm already having a hard time saying, wait a minute, you believe
00:39:02.520 you really believe there's 99 genders. Where, where did that come from? I'm already having
00:39:08.600 a hard time understanding the other side and the other side is having a hard time understanding
00:39:13.740 me. We pull our kids out of the public school. Um, what happens to the rest of America that
00:39:24.520 can't pull their kid out of public school? Well, if enough of us pull our kids out of public
00:39:30.940 school, I think they'll feel the pressure of to compete with the schools that are actually
00:39:36.360 attracting better families and better students. They're going to say, wow, this, all of this
00:39:41.520 wokeness didn't do us very much good. I think they did. They just did this in Missouri. And,
00:39:47.000 uh, I was just had to laugh at the teachers union. They said, you know, they don't care about
00:39:52.960 your kids at all. They just want to make money. These private, um, uh, institutions where
00:39:58.780 there's no accountability. And I'm like, where's the accountability in a public school right
00:40:03.000 now? Where is the public accountability? Um, um, let's change and talk a little bit about
00:40:15.420 the freedom of speech aspect. Sure. Um, I just did a show last night about COVID and I talked about
00:40:26.100 the different theories on lab or if it was natural and we don't have an answer yet, but we have,
00:40:34.920 we have people trying to tell us now that you can't even ask the question. Can you, can you talk a
00:40:44.640 little bit about censorship and, and why it is so important to have a diverse set of views,
00:40:53.960 especially on something like this? Well, the, you know, obviously there, you know,
00:41:01.020 there, we're never going to be able to get transgender people proper care, and we're never
00:41:06.740 going to get, be able to get our teenage girls proper care unless we can openly discuss risks.
00:41:11.600 And right now we can't, okay. If we can, if we can't openly discuss medical protocols,
00:41:16.100 they will never improve. So whenever, so when, when are we going to see the results
00:41:22.340 of these girls that are having, having the surgery and getting the hormones now,
00:41:28.820 when do we start to see the backlash of that? Well, we're already seeing, if you go on YouTube,
00:41:34.920 thousands of young women coming forward and saying, you know, this gender was not my problem.
00:41:41.280 I regret what was done to me. I can't believe there was inadequate oversight for this. What,
00:41:46.520 you know, why did, why did everyone push me to this? We're, we're, we're seeing that already.
00:41:52.040 I would just say that, you know, people have this misguided idea that they, that the threats
00:41:56.400 to free speech can only come from the government. And I think we thought that for a long time,
00:42:02.080 because we couldn't imagine corporations that were vastly more powerful than the government,
00:42:07.480 but that's what we have now. Yeah. I think the, the, the corporations I've always been,
00:42:13.860 I've always hated those. They're like, uh, you know, I work for the corporation and you're watching
00:42:18.440 the movie and you're like, Oh geez. And the government's turned into a corporation. I've
00:42:22.340 always hated that, but it's right. It's what has happened to us. I mean,
00:42:28.220 it's crazy because liberals were the ones who kept saying that they put it in all the movies
00:42:34.480 and everything else. They kept saying that. And now they're the ones standing behind the
00:42:38.640 corporations and the people that are on my side of the aisle who have always been for the freedom of,
00:42:45.900 you know, the entrepreneur and the business. We're now going, wait, it's turned into exactly
00:42:52.320 the dystopian future you warned us about. How come you can't see that?
00:42:57.820 To be honest though, I think a lot of conservatives are afraid to go after the,
00:43:03.200 these big tech corporations, frankly, they say, Oh, um, you know, you know, maybe Amazon or,
00:43:10.220 you know, any of these huge, you know, multinationals is entitled to, you know,
00:43:14.620 carry whatever it wants and we can never have anything to say to it. You know, if you have Twitter
00:43:18.840 wants to kick off the president, maybe Twitter's entitled to do that. You know, I believe in free
00:43:23.880 markets, uh, what they don't, I think what they fail to grasp is that when you have, you know,
00:43:29.760 booksellers that were, that control the vast majority of books in this country. And in fact,
00:43:35.980 the, the, you know, it has the impact has a profound impact on whether books will ever get
00:43:41.100 published. Um, they're no longer just a local bookshop and they no longer should be able to just
00:43:47.260 delete a book. So what's going to happen with you now, where are you headed? What do you,
00:43:52.840 I mean, what is in store for you? Well, I'm, I'm hoping to return to write another book about this
00:43:59.360 generation because I'm in Gen Z those born 1995 and after are very, you know, they're in a lot of
00:44:05.440 pain. They're in a lot of distress and, um, they're really interesting to me. So I, you know, my,
00:44:10.600 my plan is to write another book about them. I will tell you, I don't think, I mean,
00:44:15.100 I think this is the greatest experiment, you know, on, on humans that has ever been conducted.
00:44:22.860 Uh, we are introducing them to technology that none of us have any idea what the long-term effects
00:44:28.960 are going to be. We're getting an idea now, um, with COVID we're just putting our kids away.
00:44:35.960 We're seeing the suicide rates and the drug, uh, use, uh, go through the, uh, go through the roof.
00:44:41.760 I can't imagine growing up in today's society, how that would affect me 25 years down the road.
00:44:54.960 Yeah. If, if, if we don't really stay, start taking some serious action, I think, um, I, uh,
00:45:02.440 these kids are in, in bad shape. They're in big trouble. And, and, and some of that action does have
00:45:07.940 to be parents putting limits on things like smartphones and yeah, I think you're, I mean,
00:45:15.920 you know, about the algorithm that Google worked on a year ago, and I think Facebook just implemented
00:45:22.100 it to where they are looking at your text, your tweets, everything else to see what you believe.
00:45:29.620 And if you believe something that is not in line with the woke community, you're going to start
00:45:36.000 getting propaganda. They're going to start filling your newsfeed. Yes. And that's the next thing I was
00:45:43.060 going to say, which is that frankly, we're all quite addicted to this stuff. You know, I include myself
00:45:48.760 in that. And a lot of this technology is turning out to be quite dangerous for us in a, in a whole bunch
00:45:54.520 of ways, including the division it's created, um, among us. So, so we really are going to have to
00:46:00.700 push back on, you know, the way tech has been, has been really pushing us around for far too long.
00:46:07.900 I, um, I don't know if you're religious at all, but I, I, uh, I think of the tower of Babel story
00:46:14.000 a lot, um, because it's not a tale of people going bad. It's a tale of the people at the very top going
00:46:23.400 bad and making everybody the same, making them into bricks. You know, you got to toe the line.
00:46:28.920 You got to be exactly like that. And we can do anything. If every, if we look at all of the
00:46:33.740 society and everybody's a brick, um, and it was, and God came down and confused their language. And
00:46:40.240 I thought, you know, the problem here is, is our language is ones and zeros and it would be helpful
00:46:47.400 if it was confused, you know, and I've never, ever felt that way about technology, but I, it is starting
00:46:53.320 to be a little overwhelming, um, in its size and scope and power. I mean, I think at the very least
00:47:03.840 that we, you know, there are many things that the government should push back on, but one of them
00:47:08.360 is if these carriers are carrying private messages between people, they have begun to, as you just
00:47:14.640 said, um, you know, edit our, and sensor our private meta messages. They really, if, if they are acting
00:47:22.160 like the phone company, they shouldn't be listening to our calls. Exactly. Right. Abigail, thank you so
00:47:27.560 much. We'll keep you in our prayers and, uh, thank you for having the, uh, the brains to navigate
00:47:33.700 through and the cojones to actually continue standing and saying, I'm going to keep going.
00:47:39.960 Good for you. Thank you so much. Thank you. You bet. Thanks.
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