Ep 110 ｜ The Trans Activism That Will End Your Parental Rights ｜ Abigail Shrier ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast
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Summary
Abigail Schreier is an investigative journalist for the Wall Street Journal and she has focused on the transgender craze in her book, "Irreversible Damage: The Transgender Craze seducing our daughters." In a move that surprised everyone, The Economist awarded it Book of the Year. Before 2012, there was no scientific literature on girls ages 11 to 21 ever having developed gender dysphoria at all. Now there are over 300 such cases.
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Over the past few years, the standard for controversy has dropped quite a bit.
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For example, only a few years ago, the phrase only women can give birth wouldn't be controversial at
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all. Now, saying that can get you banished from social media. In reality, it's all a distraction.
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They don't want us to see what they're actually doing. We're not supposed to notice that until
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about five years ago, only about 0.01% of the population identified as transgendered.
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Before 2012, there was no scientific literature on girls ages 11 to 21 ever having developed
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gender dysphoria at all. Now, prepubescent girls account for the majority of cases. What's
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happened? In 2007, there was only one gender clinic in America. Today, there are over 300.
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This should be concerning because something is changing. But the left's response to our
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concerns is to blame us for the problems that I believe they are causing. Discourse is not
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a part of their tactic. They'll hurl some insults, call you a transphobe, and then they're backed
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up by the mob, a mob that includes Twitter, the mainstream media, Hollywood, Silicon Valley,
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and now the federal government, right up to the office of the President of the United States.
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I want to introduce you to somebody very controversial. She's an investigative journalist for the Wall
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Street Journal, and she has focused on the transgender craze in her book Irreversible Damage,
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the transgender craze seducing our daughters. In a move that surprised everyone, The Economist
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awarded it Book of the Year. I can't recommend it highly enough. Irreversible damage. Every parent,
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every grandparent, especially if you have daughters or granddaughters, you have to read this book
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because something is changing in the world. And its author, because she's speaking the truth,
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the facts, she has become one of the most controversial media figures of our time.
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Target stopped selling it on its online stores. They've done that two times. This story just broke
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today. Bookseller group apologizes to LGBTQIA+. Apologies are not enough. We've begun addressing this
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today. Are committed and engaging in a critical dialogue needed to inform concrete steps to address
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the harm we have caused. Why? Because they were selling a book? Her episode on the Joe Rogan experience
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was one of the episodes that Spotify employees demanded to have removed from the platform when
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she was on Jordan Peterson's podcast. Peterson, who's been on this show before, he has been completely
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surrounded by controversy for the last four years. He said he was afraid that she was too controversial
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for him to associate with. He said he had, quote, trepidation about even conducting the interview.
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Wow. Well, that's exactly the kind of discussion that I think we all need to have. Look, if you're offended
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by something, get over it. Listen to people who have a different point of view and find out where
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we can connect or where we're wrong. What you're about to hear is the kind of conversation I had in
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mind when I created the Glenn Beck podcast. So today, please welcome Abigail Schreier.
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Abigail, what does it feel like to be you today?
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I bet it has. You are not somebody. I mean, this, you know, I got into this business. I knew exactly what
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I was headed in for. Did you have any idea what you were in for when you started looking into this?
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No. You know, the world, the world has changed a lot. I think very quickly, the change has accelerated.
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Certainly America has changed a lot. And I think that sort of the woke takeover has really accelerated
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in the last few years. So it was possible to start writing a book thinking, OK, there are going to be
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some activists who freak out. But this is still America. They're still going to sell my book at
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Target. They're still going to, you know, abide their commitments to provide books that people
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want to read. And I sort of, you know, found a very different, you know, one year later, it's a
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very different America. So I don't know if you saw what happened today. The
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HSS has come out and said they've got to stop disinformation. Now they're using COVID, but they're
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talking about any kind of medical advice that goes against, you know, common practice and common
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knowledge that it needs to be suppressed and people need to be called out for it. That is that's not going
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to stay just with COVID. And that to me is extraordinarily disturbing, even if it was only
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about COVID. Yes. I mean, look, my book's about a medical scandal, which is the total lack of
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oversight and of, you know, teenage girls getting access to hormones and surgeries with completely
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inappropriate lack of any kind of therapeutic or medical oversight. And frankly, lack of under,
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you know, forthrightness on the part of the medical community about, you know, how dangerous some of
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these drugs are, how risky they are. You know, and all I'm, you know, pushing for is greater discussion
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and more transparency. But I just want to make clear, you are not against trans people. If you're an adult
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and you want to do whatever you want to do, that's what you do. Right. Not only am I not against trans
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people. I mean, I have not really care for a lot of trans people. I know, you know, very much now,
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you know, I'm, I'm close to, but, but not only that, I would say that I'm not even against medical
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transition. So, um, I, I don't personally have any issues with adults transitioning. And in fact,
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I've known enough transgender adults that I can say, I honestly believe some of them have been
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greatly helped by it. Um, what my concern is just that you see a rash of teenage girls
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who decide with their girlfriends that they're trans. It does not look like traditional gender
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dysphoria. And rather than doing any kind of differential diagnosis to make sure that these
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girls are getting proper treatment, the medical community, which is now activist guided is now
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rubber stamping transitions for teenage girls. It's really frightening. And I, I was not aware,
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um, at how few, um, uh, gender dysphoria, uh, cases were happening with, with girls, um, until your
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book. I mean, you would think that it's everywhere now and that's new. Can you explain that?
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Yes. So we've, we've seen this a number of times. There've been some wonderful books written about
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this actually. Uh, um, Daniel, I think it Lee Kravitz, um, wrote a wonderful book about this
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and, and about, about contagions, pure contagions. So, so we've seen suicide do this where people
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find out about it. And then there's a young teenagers who are in real mental distress, decide
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that that's, that's the best option for them. So it's like a copycat in a way. It does. We,
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anorexia and bulimia has always spread among teenage girls this way. And now we're, they look to the
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culture to understand why they feel so bad inside. I mean, they have real anxiety and depression
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and, and the, the, um, explanation that the culture, social media influencers, their, their
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teachers, um, they're certainly their therapists and social workers at school. Can't wait to give
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them is I know what your problem is. You're probably trans. So this, when you've brought up
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anorexia and bulimia, that was the culture saying, well, because you're fat, because you're
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not pretty enough, you're whatever now, um, uh, now as we, I think, begin to correct that
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we're doing something much, much worse and telling our young girls, you're confused.
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You should, you should have gender, uh, transition, right?
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That's exactly right. I mean, they're, they're getting it from not only peers and teachers
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at school, but on online influencers. Remember they spend most of their time online. Now they
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spend a great deal of time, um, and much less time with each other and online. There's so many
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influencers who have these very well-produced videos, you know, Tik TOK, Instagram, YouTube,
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and who can't wait to tell them that they've never felt better since they went on T
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testosterone. And, um, you know, if you don't feel comfortable in your body, if you feel awkward
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in your body, if you don't feel perfectly feminine, you're probably supposed to be a boy.
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I mean, but don't a lot of girls, you were a tomboy growing up, right? So don't, I mean,
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I've, I've known a lot of tomboys that, you know, were, you know, are, are, didn't need to transition
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grew out of that. Um, or even if they didn't, they still are not transgender. I mean, right.
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Because we left them alone. We left girls alone. We didn't carve up girlhood the way we do today.
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Now we examine it. The, uh, in school from kindergarten on, they're taught only they know
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their true gender identity and look at the characteristics of boys. And this might mean
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that you're somewhere on the spectrum between, you know, perfectly female and, you know, gen,
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you know, non-binary and one of these other, you know, there are so many at this point, exotic
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gender identities to choose from. And so girls are really being coached all over. And then the moment
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they identify the, you know, girls who are in pain, who are awkward, who are struggling to fit in
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are celebrated. So it's a situation where, um, sorry, it's a situation where, you know, it's,
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it's like they, they, they, they think this might be the explanation. And then they moment they commit
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to it, they get more love than they've ever gotten from their peers. And is it happening
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at the same rate with boys? Um, you know, it isn't, I mean, well, two things. One, the, the reason that
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we, one of the reasons we know that this is a social contagion and it really does look like a social
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contagion is because girls have never historically experienced this gender dysphoria in any significant
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numbers. And especially when people did experience it, they always had a childhood history. These
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are girls with no childhood history and it's suddenly occurring to them in friend groups
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in adolescence. So wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. What do you mean? What do you mean a history?
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You know, go ahead. Gender dysphoria typically began in early childhood, ages two to four. It was,
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began with little children to, um, little kids saying, no, mommy, I'm not a boy. I'm a girl.
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It was always overwhelmingly male. Most boys would outgrow this. Many would become gay adults and some
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percentage of them would go on to become what we used to say, call transsexuals. And it did afflict
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women, but a vanishingly small number, 0.003%. So you're talking about one in 30,000 women, very,
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very small numbers. Um, today, teenage girls who have no childhood history are the leading demographic
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of those claiming to have gender dysphoria. This is out of nowhere. It's across the West.
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There's been an explosion. Um, the UK gender clinic says it's never seen anything like this.
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And, and we're seeing this in America as well, between 2016 and 2017, the number of gender surgeries
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for, um, you know, on natal, on biological females, I think it quadrupled. So you're looking at
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very high numbers. Yeah. What did you find from, I mean, I really thought that we had learned the
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lesson in the progressive genetic craze or eugenic craze that, uh, doctors slow down, slow down. Um,
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but it, it is, it, it, I don't know what, what happened to these doctors? How come there aren't
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doctors that are saying, well, let's slow down here. Cause this is a massive, massive change to
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somebody. So the doctors, believe it or not, mostly agree with me. And they're mostly, I mean,
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I interviewed a lot of doctors. That's how I was able to write the book and mostly think this is way
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too fast with too little oversight and too risky and intervention without, you know, the problem is
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the activists got into the accrediting organizations and made affirmative care, meaning agreeing with the
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patient self-diagnosis that became the medical standard. So they have to, their job is now to
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agree with the patient. And then 20 States in America passed, uh, conversion therapy bands and
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they, you know, they snuck in gender identity language so that the conversion therapy bands,
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you can lose your license for, for so-called conversion therapy. If you try to get a young
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person comfortable in their, in their gender, in their, in their biological sex, which is the way we
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have always treated gender dysphoria. Now the best practitioners are very afraid that if they speak
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up, they'll lose their licenses. Well, somebody has got to do something because you can't fight this
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clinics are popping up. We have 300 clinics now in America. So are these doctors that are at these
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clinics? Are these ones who are all on board and they believe it? No. Um, first of all,
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at these clinics, very often, they never see a doctor. Teenage girls will go in. They leave that
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day with a course of testosterone without even a therapist. No, no, no psychological nothing.
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No. And in fact, um, um, you know, it depends on the age of medical consent varies by state.
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15 year olds in Oregon can not only get testosterone, they could have their breasts removed without
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parental permission. So you're, you're, you're talking about a real abdication by the medical
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community. And unfortunately, a lot of the best doctors have quietly shifted their practices. So they
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don't have to deal with this by not seeing these patients, um, because they don't, they don't want to
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lose their licenses and they're horrified by what's going on. Gosh, where does this end? I mean,
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I know I'm skipping ahead here, but where does this end? I think it ends in the courts.
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Um, but you know, I, I hope, you know, there was a real awakening in the UK because a young woman
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sued the cure a bell, sued the gender clinic in the, in the UK and said, look, I was, I was 15
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years old when I started this. Nobody, you know, questioned me that I had gender dysphoria. I had a
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lot of problems and this isn't right. And now I'm, you know, worried I'm sterile and I have no breasts.
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I mean, this is, and, and so the UK has very much awakened to this, you know, they've, they've
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stopped, um, the gender treatments for minors, the, the earlier protocols they had for, for puberty
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blockers. They've, they've arrested them in, in Sweden because of concerns that these were far
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riskier and far less, um, um, helpful than they had earlier thought for some reason, you know,
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they had become convinced that this was the cure for suicide when there really wasn't good data to
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show that. Um, and, um, so every, everywhere else seems to be waking up to this, the U S which is in
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the grips of woke madness where you can never question anything. The activists tell us, um,
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we're, we're, we're going to have a much longer haul. How, how do we, how are we perceived around
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the rest of the world in the medical community? I mean, yeah, I, I, I it's, it's worth, it's a good
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question because, you know, I, I have to say that, you know, journalists in the UK say to me all the
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time, what is going on over there? Because they cannot believe that you can't even that the mainstream,
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you know, non won't even carry a review of my book. Um, the, the mainstream newspaper,
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the legacy media in the, in the U S, um, in the UK, this is all mainstream. So I've been,
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you know, I was a book of the year and by the economist and the times of London, they are
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actually willing to have open dialogue and their doctors are really speaking out. And we do have a
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good group of doctors that has started to speak out the society for evidence-based medicine,
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but it's, it's really just getting going and, and doctors are still very afraid in,
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in America to lose their jobs. I I'm, I'm so afraid. I mean, um, uh, what's his name?
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President Eisenhower talked about this very thing in, uh, his farewell address. He wasn't just talking
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about the military industrial complex. He talked about the scientific and educational complex that if
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you get money and politics involved, it's going to spiral out of control. And, uh, I mean, I don't,
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I don't even know how we got here on this, you know, we've, we've said for a long time, well,
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that's a slippery slope and that's not a slippery, how did we get here?
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Yes, it's, it's going to get a lot worse. So, so obviously there's been something of an
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institutional takeover, you know, a lot of the institutions that were supposed to, including the
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medical accrediting organizations that were supposed to protect patients, but we have a big
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problem in the U S and it's only getting worse. And the reason is, is, you know, a lot of good
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doctors have debunked the activists, um, research, which is really, really shoddy research. But right
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now in America, all the funding is for activists to do their research. So they're pumping out this
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research that is, it takes, you know, it's getting debunked, but it takes some time. Meanwhile,
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they are trying to make the case, even in some medical journals, that parents custody should be
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taken away. They should care. Parents should lose their kids. If they don't immediately affirm
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a young teen who says they're transgender, if they don't immediately put them on a track to
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transitions and, and surge, you know, hormones and surgeries, this is the stuff that's appearing
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in our medical journals. It is a nonstop trans activism celebration zone. Um, so, so we're in for,
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for a really rough road, uh, continued rough road ahead. I think in this country,
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you wrote a story for the city journal, um, about, uh, Pakistani immigrant named Ahmed. Can you,
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can you tell that story? Sure. So I was called, um, this was a parent who reached out to me in October
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of last year, uh, 2020. And he, he said, um, that, um, he had dropped his suicidal, um, child off at,
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it was a son off at children's hospital in Seattle. And he was a teenager and, um, and he was, he
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couldn't be there with his son because his son was, you know, because it was during COVID, but the
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doctors, he started getting notes from the hospital. He checked his son in and the boy was autistic.
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He had a lot of problems, you know, had gotten very depressed during COVID and that he started
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getting notes from the hospital. You know, we'd like to talk to you about your daughter. And in the
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state of Washington, where he called me for the age at which mental health, gender affirming mental
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health therapy, um, which can include, you know, you know, encouraging progress to hormones and
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surgeries, um, that, that, um, that can begin at 13. So this boy who was in, who had admitted to
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their care, the man called me in a panic realizing he might not get his son back if he didn't go along
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with this. Um, and, and then, you know, I, I, I talked to more and more parents. Yeah. I listened
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to his story. I tried to help him. And then I talked to more and more parents in these states.
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And there are a lot of them now gender, you know, gender affirming care or mental health care is
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available to very young teens. Parents can't even know about it. Doctors aren't even allowed to tell the
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parents about it and insurers can't notify parents. So the, the, they're really shifting power
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from, um, from parents to young teens who are often under the influence of activists.
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So what is, what, what is the goal of the activist? Cause I, I, you know, I have a lot of gay friends,
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I have gay employees. We've worked together for 20 years. We're great friends, no problems.
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And they will say to me, I'm not part of that. You know, they, they believed in gay marriage,
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everything else, but they, they were, they're like, okay, okay, wait, what's happening. It's gone
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over a cliff. Who are these people that are the activists? So, so I'll, I'll go even further than
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when you said, not only is this not about gay people, it's not even about trans people because
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transgender people. And I know a lot of them at this point are lovely. They're wonderful Americans.
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They are living good, healthy lives. Um, the activists, the woke activists are, are whether
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you're talking about black lives matter or critical race theory or gender ideology. They are very often
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the exact same group. They are, you know, completely committed to recruiting revolutionaries. They are
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completely committed to disrupting nuclear, you know, the American family attacking, you know,
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attacking the nuclear family. And, um, they, they want to sow chaos and they're really effective at
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doing it. It is remarkable to me. Cause I, I look at, um, CRT and I, I just can't think of anything,
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any way to describe that other than evil, because it only sows chaos. It tells people you can't do it
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because these people who are irredeemable, there is no forgiveness. These people are in your way.
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So get them. I think that's pretty darn evil. And it feels like that's what is happening to us,
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that there's this, there's this force of people out there who are just living for destruction
00:25:25.700
of everything that we know historically is good. That's right. Um, you know, critical race theory
00:25:33.900
teaches children to hate each other and hate themselves. And gender ideology tells young people
00:25:38.880
to hate their own bodies. It tells them that there's something wrong with them. If they don't
00:25:42.660
feel perfectly feminine or perfectly comfortable at 13 in a very fast changing body. Um, it is an
00:25:49.460
incredibly destructive ideology and it's being promulgated in many, many public school systems
00:25:56.420
across the country. And it's even worse than that. They often hide it in the curriculum. So in
00:26:01.300
California, they don't put it in the sex ed curriculum. And it's not just California. I was recently told
00:26:06.060
another public school system did this as well. They don't put it in the, in the, in the sex ed
00:26:10.520
curriculum because the parents can opt out of that. They stick it in the anti-bullying curriculum.
00:26:16.140
So parents didn't even know it was being taught.
00:26:18.320
Um, let's talk about the ones that are most effective. Let's talk about the children and,
00:26:27.680
uh, the parents. If you're a parent, I mean, I don't know about you, but I've been sideswiped
00:26:34.240
so many times by my children. You're like, wait, what, what is that? You didn't even know.
00:26:40.520
Um, what are the early signs for parents? And talk to me about the, the, the girls.
00:26:48.860
Right. So this goes along with certainly anxiety and depression, which we've seen a lot of in these
00:26:54.360
teenage girls. Uh, these are the highest rates of that ever recorded. And, um, and it goes along
00:27:00.640
with having trouble fitting in socially, which, which afflicts a virtual, virtually every teenage girl
00:27:05.420
girl. And the early signs is they start, first of all, spending a lot of time on social media
00:27:10.360
because a lot of times they'll get it within social media and their friends, their group of
00:27:14.640
friends will often come out as trans together. That's one of the, you know, most obvious signs
00:27:19.900
of pure contagion. And so they'll start saying first, they usually come out as I'm not, I'm not
00:27:25.560
straight mom. I'm pansexual. Keep in mind, these are girls who often have had zero sexual experience.
00:27:30.640
They've never even held a boy or girl's hand. So these, these girls aren't spending much time
00:27:35.260
with their peers in person. They're spending a lot of times online and they reach for these
00:27:39.220
exotic gender and sexual identities that give them cover in a, in a really scary.
00:27:45.020
So what, what is it that they are? I mean, I knew how I felt about girls and I'm sure gay
00:27:52.060
men knew exactly how they felt about boys. You, um, you, you just feel differently. So what
00:27:59.480
is the, what, what is it that they're feeling that may say that makes them say I'm pansexual?
00:28:06.440
So it's a little different for, for these girls. First of all, they have spent far less time with
00:28:12.080
each other. Boys and girls were left alone, um, especially into adolescence much more than these
00:28:18.560
kids are today. So they're very immature. And I mean that in a sort of romantic sexual development
00:28:24.760
sense, they don't know what they want. They've never spent enough time in person to get exposed.
00:28:29.980
They're exposed to so much horrific stuff so early. That's right. And they're also exposed to
00:28:36.260
online porn. That's right. So, so what does that do to them? Let me just, my, my son, I remember
00:28:44.240
the first time he saw porn because it devastated him. He was probably nine and stumbled onto something
00:28:53.720
on the internet and it was, he was, I mean, he was shook for a long time. It was something
00:28:59.480
not, you know, not normal. Um, and, uh, and I just remember him for a long time being shook by that.
00:29:09.020
So that's exactly right. Yeah. So these girls are seeing really horrific porn. They're seeing choking
00:29:14.740
and at a very young ages, like you said, you're with your son at nine, very young ages, you know,
00:29:19.600
nine, 10, 11, they're seeing this and it terrifies them. Meanwhile, they don't have time alone with
00:29:24.680
their girlfriends. They don't have time alone with boys. They're, they're all there with mom
00:29:28.280
or on the internet all the time. So their own real, you know, romantic and sexual development
00:29:34.160
is very arrested and they just know it's not great to be a white girl today. So they can choose,
00:29:40.720
they try to choose one of these other identities that might get them a little more, um, you know,
00:29:45.540
celebration. Wow. Wow. I never even thought of that. The pressure just to not be in a special
00:29:54.660
category. Yeah. So what do, what do parents do? Well, there are a few things you can do and it
00:30:04.560
really depends on the age, you know, the earlier, the better, but one of the big things is social
00:30:09.640
media. I mean, my own view is we have to get young teens off it completely. They should absolutely
00:30:16.240
not be allowed to have teenage kids. I do not. Okay. I do. I mean, that's, uh, it's not impossible.
00:30:24.320
I just don't know how to do it. Well, let me just say this. You're talking about a straight line
00:30:31.480
between social media and cutting self-harm, depression, anxiety. I mean, all kinds of
00:30:38.360
psychological misery. So, so let's just say the risks are so severe. It's just a no brainer to me.
00:30:45.080
I kind of don't care what you have to do. My, you know, my kids are not yet in their teen years,
00:30:50.620
but you know, when, when they are, we will get them a flip phone. They're just not going to have
00:30:56.020
a phone with them. They're not a smartphone. Um, now, obviously if you're talking about an 18 year
00:31:02.200
old, you know, the older they get, it's harder, but, but certainly 13, 14, do not introduce it.
00:31:08.360
Second of all, absolutely oppose gender ideology in the school. Okay. There's no reason we can't
00:31:15.620
show compassion for trans identified kids without, um, indoctrinating an entire population in gender
00:31:22.140
confusion. So what does that mean? What are we, what are you standing up against? Find out if gender
00:31:29.560
ideology is taught in your school. The answer, it probably is. Okay. Find out if your kids are
00:31:34.840
hearing about exotic identities at school and go in and tell, and don't stand for it. Tell them you
00:31:39.940
don't want that being taught to your kids. You, you really, they, they should not be indoctrinated
00:31:45.100
in the idea that there might be something fundamentally wrong with their bodies, especially
00:31:49.960
for teenagers who are concerned that there is, that they are ugly, that there is something wrong with
00:31:54.860
them. And frankly, most of these kids had never had the thought until they were introduced to it
00:31:59.600
by social media. It is, um, to be a parent is overwhelming. I have kids that are in their thirties
00:32:09.440
and I have kids that are now just getting, you know, uh, to the end of high school and the world
00:32:17.080
was scary enough when I was raising, you know, the 30 year olds, uh, young now it is just, it's
00:32:27.640
everything. It is everything that is coming at the kids. There is no, you know, people say all the
00:32:34.900
time I, well, I grew up and I knew about that and I'm fine. Well, yeah, because the water you were
00:32:42.200
floating in was generally good. And then there'd be a piece of garbage or sewage that would come by
00:32:49.360
every once in a while, we're now floating in sewage. And if you're lucky, something good will
00:32:55.960
pass by. That's right. That's exactly right. And parents need to know about that. I mean,
00:33:02.360
you know, it, you know, the, the parent, the teachers I interviewed in the public school system
00:33:07.080
in California for my book, um, told me that parent rights end at the school door. When,
00:33:13.240
when you drop your kids off, I'm sorry, basically your rights are over. And that is the act. That
00:33:19.140
is the attitude of, unfortunately, a lot of social worker activists, um, and a lot of teachers and,
00:33:25.440
and, and therapists, their attitude is, I know, you know, I am, I may only see you for 45 minutes,
00:33:30.920
you know, one 45 minute session, but you and I know that you're really this new identity and let
00:33:36.920
me affirm you and further confuse you. How fast do you think it's coming to where we could lose our
00:33:43.100
kids to, to the state where we don't, where you don't behave right? Um, you've lost your kids.
00:33:51.900
That's already happening. I mean, as I wrote in, in, in, uh, the city journal piece,
00:33:56.140
parents custody is being threatened, um, and, and, and social workers and, and, and, um, therapists
00:34:03.580
and doctors are literally, um, going along with this idea that if you don't affirm your kid,
00:34:09.460
you are committing an act of abuse and you are now an abusive parent. Um, and the child should be taken
00:34:15.640
from you. We're, we're seeing this being reported. And, um, you know, I happen to know certain ongoing
00:34:21.200
cases, um, where parents can't yet come forward, but this is very much the issue. There, there doesn't
00:34:28.100
seem to be, um, any safe place to run, you know, in, in America, we, for people who still, I think,
00:34:39.580
have common sense, um, there doesn't seem to be a safe place where you can go and go, Oh, thank
00:34:48.020
goodness. There is no place. So here's what I'll say. There's no safe place, but there is safe
00:34:54.680
people. If we can realize that this is not a red blue issue. Okay. This is not, Oh, it's those crazy
00:35:02.120
blue States. This is everywhere. And if we come together, I truly believe this. If we can come
00:35:07.560
together with Americans of all political stripes, parents, and there are across most of the parents
00:35:13.700
who reach out to me who are horrified or liberal conservatives and liberals really need to come
00:35:19.040
together on this and oppose the woke indoctrination of their children and the corruption of their kids
00:35:24.980
with gender ideology. So, so how do we do it? Because I know conservatives and I don't care
00:35:32.020
what anybody calls me. And I think there's a lot of people in the audience that feel the same way.
00:35:36.340
Oh, you've called me everything under the sun already. What, how much worse could it get?
00:35:40.180
But there's a lot of people that we know the minute we say something like you, you're a transphobic,
00:35:48.660
you're, you know, a Puritan, whatever it is. So how do we approach this? How do we bridge the gap
00:35:56.120
with people that we don't necessarily always agree with? Well, you know, my, my advice is to just speak
00:36:03.000
clearly and, you know, without being, you know, you know, offensive on purpose, but I don't mean,
00:36:10.700
I don't mean go around offending people, but to speak clearly about your concerns. It's something
00:36:14.780
I've, I've tried to do. And, and, and, and, you know, I, I certainly, you know, do not, you know,
00:36:21.620
countenance bigotry, but this isn't about bigotry. This is about the harm to young girls and young
00:36:27.280
people and no adequate oversight oversight. This is about common sense. And if you just keep it in
00:36:32.860
those terms, which really, really is where it belongs, I think, I think we could win on this.
00:36:38.820
So I'm afraid that so many things are like, um, uh, are like CRT where you can stand up against it
00:36:48.060
and you think you won, but you haven't, it's just morphed. Um, they will come out and tell you,
00:36:54.100
and then they realize, Oh crap, uh, not everybody likes this. And so then they'll,
00:37:00.640
they'll fight it for a while. Then they'll start to claim, which they are on CRT.
00:37:04.520
That's not even taught. That's not even taught. It's nowhere. And as you say, it's in the curriculum.
00:37:09.140
It's just not where you think it is. Right. So there may be no hope for the public school system.
00:37:15.040
Let me just say that outright. I don't know that there's any hope there.
00:37:17.880
Um, wait, wait, that's a big statement. Wow. I, but, but we're, I mean, just to be honest,
00:37:25.240
it's so thoroughly infiltrated. You have teachers at behaving like activists across the country
00:37:30.580
who have no interest in actually teaching. They believe their job is to remake your child.
00:37:36.280
Uh, we're seeing so much evidence of that. I think it's fair to say that it may be
00:37:40.940
too deeply rooted in the ideology being taught in public school. I'm not sure. I mean,
00:37:46.600
I, I, I'm not sure that the public school system is redeemable at this point. I just,
00:37:51.060
I don't know. I think it's an open question. Um, I wonder, I wonder how much of our society is
00:37:56.540
redeem. I mean, it feels like we, you know, I hate to use this phrase cause it's, it's, uh,
00:38:00.700
something that is actually not good, but it feels like we do need a reset. I mean, uh, except
00:38:06.800
on, on, on values. And I think we're getting a reset right now that is taking us into very dark,
00:38:13.840
dark, dark places that, you know, if we don't come together and say, I'm out, I'm out of that.
00:38:22.960
It's going to get right. I go ahead. I think, I think we, we could have a reset and lost parts
00:38:28.360
of the country. I'm not sure the public, I think the public school system is going to lag behind,
00:38:32.380
um, and, and continue with this ideology for quite some time. Um, but I do think that parents
00:38:39.580
are waking up every day across the political spectrum to what's being, you know, done to
00:38:45.360
their children, how their minds are being warped. But that will be, if we give up on the public
00:38:49.960
school, that will leave trapped a lot of people in the public school. And then we are balkanized.
00:38:57.040
Then, then we, I mean, I'm already having a hard time saying, wait a minute, you believe
00:39:02.520
you really believe there's 99 genders. Where, where did that come from? I'm already having
00:39:08.600
a hard time understanding the other side and the other side is having a hard time understanding
00:39:13.740
me. We pull our kids out of the public school. Um, what happens to the rest of America that
00:39:24.520
can't pull their kid out of public school? Well, if enough of us pull our kids out of public
00:39:30.940
school, I think they'll feel the pressure of to compete with the schools that are actually
00:39:36.360
attracting better families and better students. They're going to say, wow, this, all of this
00:39:41.520
wokeness didn't do us very much good. I think they did. They just did this in Missouri. And,
00:39:47.000
uh, I was just had to laugh at the teachers union. They said, you know, they don't care about
00:39:52.960
your kids at all. They just want to make money. These private, um, uh, institutions where
00:39:58.780
there's no accountability. And I'm like, where's the accountability in a public school right
00:40:03.000
now? Where is the public accountability? Um, um, let's change and talk a little bit about
00:40:15.420
the freedom of speech aspect. Sure. Um, I just did a show last night about COVID and I talked about
00:40:26.100
the different theories on lab or if it was natural and we don't have an answer yet, but we have,
00:40:34.920
we have people trying to tell us now that you can't even ask the question. Can you, can you talk a
00:40:44.640
little bit about censorship and, and why it is so important to have a diverse set of views,
00:40:53.960
especially on something like this? Well, the, you know, obviously there, you know,
00:41:01.020
there, we're never going to be able to get transgender people proper care, and we're never
00:41:06.740
going to get, be able to get our teenage girls proper care unless we can openly discuss risks.
00:41:11.600
And right now we can't, okay. If we can, if we can't openly discuss medical protocols,
00:41:16.100
they will never improve. So whenever, so when, when are we going to see the results
00:41:22.340
of these girls that are having, having the surgery and getting the hormones now,
00:41:28.820
when do we start to see the backlash of that? Well, we're already seeing, if you go on YouTube,
00:41:34.920
thousands of young women coming forward and saying, you know, this gender was not my problem.
00:41:41.280
I regret what was done to me. I can't believe there was inadequate oversight for this. What,
00:41:46.520
you know, why did, why did everyone push me to this? We're, we're, we're seeing that already.
00:41:52.040
I would just say that, you know, people have this misguided idea that they, that the threats
00:41:56.400
to free speech can only come from the government. And I think we thought that for a long time,
00:42:02.080
because we couldn't imagine corporations that were vastly more powerful than the government,
00:42:07.480
but that's what we have now. Yeah. I think the, the, the corporations I've always been,
00:42:13.860
I've always hated those. They're like, uh, you know, I work for the corporation and you're watching
00:42:18.440
the movie and you're like, Oh geez. And the government's turned into a corporation. I've
00:42:22.340
always hated that, but it's right. It's what has happened to us. I mean,
00:42:28.220
it's crazy because liberals were the ones who kept saying that they put it in all the movies
00:42:34.480
and everything else. They kept saying that. And now they're the ones standing behind the
00:42:38.640
corporations and the people that are on my side of the aisle who have always been for the freedom of,
00:42:45.900
you know, the entrepreneur and the business. We're now going, wait, it's turned into exactly
00:42:52.320
the dystopian future you warned us about. How come you can't see that?
00:42:57.820
To be honest though, I think a lot of conservatives are afraid to go after the,
00:43:03.200
these big tech corporations, frankly, they say, Oh, um, you know, you know, maybe Amazon or,
00:43:10.220
you know, any of these huge, you know, multinationals is entitled to, you know,
00:43:14.620
carry whatever it wants and we can never have anything to say to it. You know, if you have Twitter
00:43:18.840
wants to kick off the president, maybe Twitter's entitled to do that. You know, I believe in free
00:43:23.880
markets, uh, what they don't, I think what they fail to grasp is that when you have, you know,
00:43:29.760
booksellers that were, that control the vast majority of books in this country. And in fact,
00:43:35.980
the, the, you know, it has the impact has a profound impact on whether books will ever get
00:43:41.100
published. Um, they're no longer just a local bookshop and they no longer should be able to just
00:43:47.260
delete a book. So what's going to happen with you now, where are you headed? What do you,
00:43:52.840
I mean, what is in store for you? Well, I'm, I'm hoping to return to write another book about this
00:43:59.360
generation because I'm in Gen Z those born 1995 and after are very, you know, they're in a lot of
00:44:05.440
pain. They're in a lot of distress and, um, they're really interesting to me. So I, you know, my,
00:44:10.600
my plan is to write another book about them. I will tell you, I don't think, I mean,
00:44:15.100
I think this is the greatest experiment, you know, on, on humans that has ever been conducted.
00:44:22.860
Uh, we are introducing them to technology that none of us have any idea what the long-term effects
00:44:28.960
are going to be. We're getting an idea now, um, with COVID we're just putting our kids away.
00:44:35.960
We're seeing the suicide rates and the drug, uh, use, uh, go through the, uh, go through the roof.
00:44:41.760
I can't imagine growing up in today's society, how that would affect me 25 years down the road.
00:44:54.960
Yeah. If, if, if we don't really stay, start taking some serious action, I think, um, I, uh,
00:45:02.440
these kids are in, in bad shape. They're in big trouble. And, and, and some of that action does have
00:45:07.940
to be parents putting limits on things like smartphones and yeah, I think you're, I mean,
00:45:15.920
you know, about the algorithm that Google worked on a year ago, and I think Facebook just implemented
00:45:22.100
it to where they are looking at your text, your tweets, everything else to see what you believe.
00:45:29.620
And if you believe something that is not in line with the woke community, you're going to start
00:45:36.000
getting propaganda. They're going to start filling your newsfeed. Yes. And that's the next thing I was
00:45:43.060
going to say, which is that frankly, we're all quite addicted to this stuff. You know, I include myself
00:45:48.760
in that. And a lot of this technology is turning out to be quite dangerous for us in a, in a whole bunch
00:45:54.520
of ways, including the division it's created, um, among us. So, so we really are going to have to
00:46:00.700
push back on, you know, the way tech has been, has been really pushing us around for far too long.
00:46:07.900
I, um, I don't know if you're religious at all, but I, I, uh, I think of the tower of Babel story
00:46:14.000
a lot, um, because it's not a tale of people going bad. It's a tale of the people at the very top going
00:46:23.400
bad and making everybody the same, making them into bricks. You know, you got to toe the line.
00:46:28.920
You got to be exactly like that. And we can do anything. If every, if we look at all of the
00:46:33.740
society and everybody's a brick, um, and it was, and God came down and confused their language. And
00:46:40.240
I thought, you know, the problem here is, is our language is ones and zeros and it would be helpful
00:46:47.400
if it was confused, you know, and I've never, ever felt that way about technology, but I, it is starting
00:46:53.320
to be a little overwhelming, um, in its size and scope and power. I mean, I think at the very least
00:47:03.840
that we, you know, there are many things that the government should push back on, but one of them
00:47:08.360
is if these carriers are carrying private messages between people, they have begun to, as you just
00:47:14.640
said, um, you know, edit our, and sensor our private meta messages. They really, if, if they are acting
00:47:22.160
like the phone company, they shouldn't be listening to our calls. Exactly. Right. Abigail, thank you so
00:47:27.560
much. We'll keep you in our prayers and, uh, thank you for having the, uh, the brains to navigate
00:47:33.700
through and the cojones to actually continue standing and saying, I'm going to keep going.
00:47:39.960
Good for you. Thank you so much. Thank you. You bet. Thanks.
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