The Glenn Beck Program - Ep 114 ｜ Why Tucker Carlson Hates 'Journalists' ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

00:00:00.440 30 years ago, the world was a much different place.

00:00:04.000 The Internet hadn't taken off, never mind the iPhone,

00:00:07.880 and the media actually used to practice something called journalism.

00:00:12.300 Now everything's stored online,

00:00:14.100 and privacy is quickly being replaced by a surveillance state,

00:00:17.960 and nobody seems to notice, or maybe it's we don't care.

00:00:21.840 Even worse, many in the media are happy to cheer it on,

00:00:25.400 as long as it helps them score political points.

00:00:28.440 Today's guest knows a good deal about these problems,

00:00:32.860 our privacy, and our media.

00:00:35.640 He's written stories for some of the biggest names in American journalism,

00:00:38.940 Esquire, Spectator, The New Republic, Politico, GQ, The New York Times.

00:00:44.480 However, today, it would take an absolute Moses-style miracle

00:00:50.280 for any of those organizations to ever print anything, any of his work again.

00:00:56.560 And that's because they've chosen political sides, whether they admit it or not.

00:01:02.200 As for privacy, between the government snooping on him and then social media,

00:01:07.440 he can't even go to a fly-fishing store in Montana without somebody heckling him.

00:01:12.220 Roving gangs have gathered at his house, knocked on his front door.

00:01:16.600 At one point, it got so bad that he had to leave Washington, D.C.,

00:01:19.500 where he had lived for years.

00:01:20.920 And to top it all off, our own government may be spying on him right now.

00:01:25.940 And I say may, giving them, oh my gosh, far too much credit.

00:01:30.640 He's been called every dirty name in the book.

00:01:32.660 And as we'll discuss today, the corporate media is still trying to destroy him.

00:01:36.920 Yet, he keeps on going.

00:01:38.880 He's got a new book out with Simon & Schuster, who hate him.

00:01:43.360 The book is called The Long Slide, 30 Years in American Journalism.

00:01:48.360 It's a reflection on his journalistic work over the last three decades,

00:01:51.920 but also a look at what the media used to allow, used to admire, used to encourage,

00:01:58.700 and how much things have truly changed.

00:02:01.880 Today, on the Glenn Beck Podcast, Tucker Carlson.

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00:03:31.600 Hey, Tucker.

00:03:33.040 Hey, Glenn Beck.

00:03:33.960 Thanks for having me.

00:03:35.220 You're welcome.

00:03:36.380 I'm sitting here looking at you in your cabin, and you have Roosevelt dead behind you.

00:03:42.680 In my office, I have Wilson dead.

00:03:48.960 Now, I have it as a celebratory item.

00:03:54.620 Why do you have Roosevelt dead on your wall?

00:03:57.740 Because my godfather ran a newspaper.

00:04:00.780 His family ran a newspaper in New York called the New York Journal of America, and one of the Hearst papers.

00:04:05.680 And that was hanging on the wall in the newsroom when they closed in the mid-60s.

00:04:10.140 And so we have a ton of those.

00:04:13.860 And I'm in Maine.

00:04:14.960 I'm at our house in Maine where we've been all of our lives, and it's just filled with junk the family has collected.

00:04:21.260 So I actually had that hanging in my bedroom as a child.

00:04:25.180 Did you really?

00:04:26.820 Yeah.

00:04:27.260 Yeah.

00:04:27.580 That's great.

00:04:28.160 Roosevelt.

00:04:28.600 My father hated Roosevelt.

00:04:30.420 I don't hate Roosevelt at all. 0.99

00:04:32.360 Woodrow Wilson was a loathsome person. 0.97

00:04:34.640 Oh, yeah. 0.99

00:04:34.980 He was bad.

00:04:35.700 He was bad.

00:04:36.400 I don't like Roosevelt.

00:04:39.020 I don't like some of the things he did, but Wilson is in a separate category.

00:04:43.240 Yeah, I totally agree.

00:04:44.580 Yeah.

00:04:44.880 I completely agree.

00:04:45.440 So you said your grandfather ran the paper for Hearst?

00:04:51.260 My godfather.

00:04:51.940 Your godfather.

00:04:52.700 Okay.

00:04:53.020 So you must, I mean, you grew up knowing with Hearst, you saw the manipulation of newspapers, etc.

00:05:04.420 You knew what it could be, at least, I'm assuming, with that kind of heritage.

00:05:08.120 Oh, yeah.

00:05:09.140 Oh, yeah.

00:05:09.520 My dad was a journalist.

00:05:11.000 My great-grandfather was the publisher of the Dallas Morning News.

00:05:14.680 Yeah.

00:05:15.020 I mean, I grew up around journalists my whole life.

00:05:17.740 I mean, that's the world I grew up in.

00:05:19.980 That's why I went into it.

00:05:21.520 So that's one of the reasons I hate them so much.

00:05:25.000 It's a personal offense.

00:05:27.160 It's just the worst people have gone into it. 1.00

00:05:29.460 Just the technocratic, dishonest, careerist, stupid cowards. 1.00

00:05:37.060 I mean, you're supposed to be brave. 1.00

00:05:39.200 That's the, you know, when I was a kid, my dad worked for ABC News, and he would have

00:05:42.800 his cameramen and the sound guy, and they were always over for dinner in the backyard,

00:05:46.900 smoking cigarettes, drinking wine, telling stories about, you know, women and places

00:05:51.780 they went and stories they did.

00:05:53.440 And like, this guy punched me in the face, and I hit him back.

00:05:55.640 I mean, they were just like, they covered riots.

00:05:57.500 They all covered the Watts riots in LA.

00:05:59.580 I mean, they were tough and cool.

00:06:01.980 They'd been places, done things. 0.95

00:06:03.540 These people are just like such wussbags. 0.97

00:06:06.340 I know. 1.00

00:06:06.740 I hate them.

00:06:07.540 I know.

00:06:07.920 When I first worked at CNN, I was interviewed by Paula Zahn, who, as I was doing the interview,

00:06:16.660 I'm watching her, and I'm realizing it's vacant.

00:06:19.380 She's not even thinking about it.

00:06:20.880 She's waiting for me to stop to ask the next question.

00:06:25.560 You know what I mean?

00:06:26.160 Exactly.

00:06:26.980 Just vacant.

00:06:27.860 And then I saw something worse.

00:06:29.680 I talked about, because it was a day that somebody had committed suicide, and they were

00:06:35.180 an alcoholic.

00:06:35.720 And I said, my mother was a drug addict, and she committed suicide.

00:06:38.500 And all of a sudden, she just zeroed in.

00:06:41.520 And I could feel from her, I wonder if I can make him cry about this.

00:06:45.600 And she made all of these questions that were just obviously trying to get me to cry.

00:06:52.740 And it was, I thought, this is despicable.

00:06:55.820 They're not really interested, and they're only interested in ratings.

00:07:00.100 But I don't think that's it anymore.

00:07:01.920 They're worse than that.

00:07:04.540 They're, well, they're, what they're, I mean, they're the Praetorian guard for the ruling

00:07:07.920 class.

00:07:08.300 They've inverted the most basic rule of journalism, which is hold the powerful accountable.

00:07:13.740 And now they're, you know, they're all working for some oligarch. 0.99

00:07:17.960 Steve Jobs' idiot widow owns the Atlantic. 0.99

00:07:20.940 Jeff Bezos owns the New York Times. 1.00

00:07:23.480 Now, watch the post.

00:07:24.140 You know, it's just like, rather, the Washington Post, the New York Times is essentially owned

00:07:31.160 by its subscribers who are, you know, like every non-profit executive on the Upper West

00:07:38.560 Side.

00:07:38.920 I mean, it's just, they're trying to protect what they feel is slipping away, which is

00:07:44.480 their control over the country.

00:07:46.120 And the thing they hate most, of course, is democracy.

00:07:48.280 I mean, the idea of voters, the white working class having power, like, completely freaks 1.00

00:07:55.580 them out.

00:07:56.300 I mean, completely.

00:07:57.980 And journalists ought to be calling that out.

00:08:00.540 They are the Woodrow Wilson dream that the elites will rule and everybody else is just

00:08:08.200 cattle.

00:08:08.640 And just go do what cattle do. 0.99

00:08:10.880 You know what I mean?

00:08:11.300 And we'll just keep you in little pens. 1.00

00:08:12.700 But they're not even good at it.

00:08:14.920 I mean, if they were good, if they were improving people's lives, if they were, I mean, during

00:08:20.140 the progressive, I mean, you always have a ruling class because people are hierarchical.

00:08:24.760 You know, dogs are hierarchical.

00:08:26.880 And during previous moments in American history, you had rich people running everything.

00:08:32.640 That was true during the progressive era.

00:08:33.980 Teddy Roosevelt was from, you know, my world.

00:08:36.380 I have a picture of him to my grandfather over my sink.

00:08:39.060 Like, you know, he was from a very specific he was from the ruling class and he spent

00:08:45.000 a lot of time thinking about, you know, how to how do we make people's lives better?

00:08:48.280 How do we make the streets cleaner?

00:08:49.480 The parks prettier?

00:08:51.060 How do we improve the schools?

00:08:52.600 How do we lower the crime rate?

00:08:54.180 How do we raise wages?

00:08:55.720 And that's what noblesse oblige is.

00:08:58.420 It's people who are privileged looking downward and saying to themselves, I have an obligation

00:09:03.200 to you.

00:09:04.040 And I would be happy to live under that system.

00:09:06.280 I don't mind being, you know, ordered around by people who are more impressive than I am

00:09:10.900 who have my welfare.

00:09:12.240 Do you know what I mean? 0.99

00:09:12.920 At heart, these people are just pure parasites just trying to take what they can from America 0.99

00:09:18.940 and go to St. Bart's. 1.00

00:09:20.040 It's like disgusting. 0.99

00:09:21.000 So I hate them. 0.98

00:09:22.180 That's one thing that, you know, I think you and I disagree on.

00:09:26.000 And I don't know how much we disagree on it.

00:09:29.280 I believe in the the pure freedom of the individual.

00:09:34.780 And you know what?

00:09:35.740 Yes.

00:09:36.440 You know, you don't I don't need to put a sign on the lawnmower.

00:09:39.820 Don't use on roof as a snowblower.

00:09:42.480 I think if if you fall off the roof and you're, you know, you know, just chipped by the lawnmower.

00:09:51.040 That's natural selection.

00:09:52.540 That's fine with me.

00:09:53.780 You know what I mean?

00:09:54.560 I agree.

00:09:55.060 But you just said a minute ago, you know, I don't mind being told, you know, what to

00:09:59.580 do by people who are more impressive.

00:10:01.400 What do you mean by that?

00:10:03.060 I mean, I don't have a problem with the idea of experts.

00:10:06.960 And I agree with you completely.

00:10:08.620 Let people do what they want to the extent that you can.

00:10:12.460 What I'm saying is I don't have a problem with the idea of the platonic ideal of expertise or rulers or of a ruling class.

00:10:21.800 I don't think, you know, we're all equal in ability.

00:10:25.520 I want a heart surgeon to do my cardiac.

00:10:28.260 Correct.

00:10:28.780 Yeah, I do.

00:10:29.740 Yeah.

00:10:29.940 So I don't have a problem with that.

00:10:31.340 I'm not I'm not like a classic populist at all.

00:10:35.540 I'm just incredibly angry at the dereliction of duty that I see among our ruling class.

00:10:42.880 Like they don't feel an obligation to the people beneath them.

00:10:46.360 And that enrages me.

00:10:47.860 They don't tip.

00:10:48.980 They don't love the people of the country.

00:10:51.120 They hate them.

00:10:52.020 And whenever you have I mean, this is like true for everything.

00:10:55.100 It's true for the military.

00:10:56.120 It's true for your family. 0.99

00:10:57.180 If you hated your children, they'd be like unbelievably screwed up. 0.99

00:11:01.200 They'd be in prison. 1.00

00:11:02.060 If you hated your troops, they'd all die.

00:11:04.000 Like you have to love the people you're in charge of.

00:11:07.160 And they don't.

00:11:08.040 And that that's like that's it right there for me.

00:11:10.560 Well, I mean, you know, if you listen to George Washington, that you're never going to get that love from people who are in power and governments not meant to love you.

00:11:18.300 But I agree that experts.

00:11:21.200 The problem is, is that these experts will say something.

00:11:25.280 Let's take covid.

00:11:26.980 They've been wrong and wrong and wrong and wrong over and over and over again.

00:11:29.880 And we know that Fauci is lying about his role in in the the the covid virus, or at least the virus that preceded it.

00:11:43.720 Right.

00:11:44.480 And and yet we are forced to listen to that expert.

00:11:49.100 We have other experts telling us that you have to listen to that expert.

00:11:52.600 Well, no, I I'm sorry, but I've got a gut on me, too, and I don't believe them.

00:11:58.540 I don't believe them.

00:11:59.200 Something's wrong.

00:12:01.140 I couldn't agree more.

00:12:02.980 At some point, though, when all the experts, all the people in charge turn out to be mediocre and clueless, then you have to ask yourself, is the system working?

00:12:12.560 So these are all products of the system.

00:12:14.960 Like Mark Milley is the chairman of the Joint Chiefs.

00:12:17.460 He's not impressive.

00:12:19.460 Anthony Fauci is the head, you know, covid responder in the country.

00:12:23.780 He's not impressive.

00:12:24.740 How do these people get to where they are?

00:12:26.420 So then you take three steps back and you think, well, because we have we have created this fake meritocracy with merit badges along the way to the top, none of which correspond to actual expertise.

00:12:39.680 Like Fauci is not the most impressive physician we could have running our response to covid.

00:12:45.780 Mark Milley is clearly not the person who should be running the United States military.

00:12:49.800 So, like, our system is broken.

00:12:52.380 We are not finding in a country of three hundred and forty million people the most qualified to do these jobs because we're using irrelevant criteria.

00:13:00.560 Affirmative action, diversity, equity is a huge is a huge part of it.

00:13:03.460 But it's not just that it's more than that.

00:13:05.080 It's Harvard, Princeton, Yale, Penn.

00:13:09.620 They are not finding the right people and teaching those people the right things.

00:13:15.620 I mean, that's our ruling class is created by higher education. 0.57

00:13:19.640 Those are, you know, our Sandhurst is Princeton.

00:13:22.700 And it's not doing a good job.

00:13:24.580 But don't you think that that comes from actually trying to teach the right things in their point of view instead of teaching people how to think?

00:13:34.840 It's not I don't want to be taught what to think.

00:13:37.800 You need to go to an institution of higher learning to show you how to think, how to be able to explore everything and get a balanced view.

00:13:47.740 That's not happening anymore in our universities.

00:13:50.680 Not at all.

00:13:51.940 And you ask why.

00:13:53.240 Look, people are like animals.

00:13:54.780 They respond to rewards.

00:13:56.220 If I do this, I get that.

00:13:58.460 And what are we incentivizing?

00:14:01.120 We're incentivizing conformity.

00:14:03.920 That's what Mark Milley and Anthony Fauci have in common.

00:14:07.120 They're conformists.

00:14:08.540 They check in every morning to find out what the party line is. 0.70

00:14:11.760 Oh, white rage is the problem.

00:14:13.100 OK, I'll say that in a congressional hearing. 0.84

00:14:14.840 Oh, wear two masks.

00:14:15.960 OK, that's today's line.

00:14:17.480 I'll say that out loud.

00:14:19.200 People who are independent minded, who are free thinkers, are being excluded from our system.

00:14:25.160 And you see it all around you.

00:14:26.380 I mean, I have dinner all the time with people who are really smart.

00:14:30.260 Some of them are, you know, kind of genius level people.

00:14:32.780 I mean, you've seen this in your own life.

00:14:34.580 And I'm not this is not flattery, but you're one of the people who will say something that like other people haven't thought of before.

00:14:40.380 And you're totally willing to go out on.

00:14:42.680 No, I'm not joking.

00:14:43.440 You're willing to go out on the line and be like, actually, I, you know, I think Obama's a racist and no one had said that before. 0.99

00:14:50.340 He is a racist. 0.98

00:14:51.320 You're absolutely right. 0.99

00:14:52.760 Most, including me.

00:14:53.900 I had not thought of that at the time.

00:14:55.420 You were totally right.

00:14:56.300 You had this weird flash of insight into the guy and you said it.

00:15:00.060 What was the first response of everyone at the top of American society?

00:15:04.280 Crush Glenn Beck. 0.93

00:15:05.040 He said something unapproved rather than saying, wait a second, that's kind of it is Obama racist. 0.77

00:15:10.500 We should think about this for a second.

00:15:11.900 That's a that's a weird insight.

00:15:13.200 I never thought of that before.

00:15:14.240 We should incentivize that kind of thinking, open minded thinking.

00:15:19.960 We should we should identify the people who are thinking for themselves, who are having really interesting and cool thoughts and reward them for it.

00:15:27.000 Instead, we destroy them for it.

00:15:29.840 What?

00:15:30.560 So you wind up with really mediocre people because people also think, you know, in 2008, I was or 2007.

00:15:36.880 I was talking about a crash that was coming in and it is because I looked at things not through the prism of being taught, but just common sense.

00:15:48.300 That doesn't work with that.

00:15:49.980 And you're relying on a system that I don't think is going to work.

00:15:52.780 So looked at it that way.

00:15:54.260 But I had one member of the media who I won't name here that is a is an individual that deals with money and deals with money issues.

00:16:05.380 And I brought this up and the person afterward argued and argued and argued.

00:16:10.520 And I respect for this individual.

00:16:12.300 And I finished the interview and he wouldn't even look at me.

00:16:15.620 He was so mad at me.

00:16:16.900 And I said, what do I have it?

00:16:20.760 If I have it wrong, but please tell me where I have it wrong.

00:16:23.680 He said, without looking at me, he said, you don't have it wrong.

00:16:28.340 You're just irresponsible.

00:16:30.060 We have a responsibility to not say those things.

00:16:35.480 And I was like, what kind of upside down world is that in journalism?

00:16:43.720 It's so that's such a great story.

00:16:46.200 I'm laughing because it's so perfect.

00:16:49.020 That is that crystallizes everything that's wrong.

00:16:52.360 It's not even a left right thing.

00:16:54.540 It's do we allow people to tell obvious truths? 0.87

00:16:59.860 And the first thing we do with those people is we call them crazy.

00:17:03.100 I have this new rule where whenever I hear someone denounced as crazy and I don't think anyone's been denounced as crazy as much as you have.

00:17:08.860 I pay special attention to what that person says. 0.98

00:17:12.540 And by the way, some of them are kind of crazy. 0.94

00:17:14.260 Yeah, totally fine. 0.83

00:17:15.560 Yeah.

00:17:15.820 I make a huge effort in our hiring. 0.96

00:17:19.340 I wanted at least one crazy person on staff.

00:17:21.960 I don't you know, he doesn't have to have access to firearms. 0.62

00:17:24.320 But that person needs to be in our orbit.

00:17:27.600 Yeah.

00:17:27.820 Because that person is much more likely than the rest of us who are fighting the herd instinct to see things really clearly.

00:17:35.780 He's going to be like, well, wait a second.

00:17:37.440 This doesn't you know, if my housekeeper is buying condos in Vegas on credit, maybe the housing market is too distorted. 1.00

00:17:45.040 Maybe this could wreck the U.S. economy.

00:17:46.660 Just like, you know, obvious things like that.

00:17:49.160 Right.

00:17:49.880 And nobody else is going to.

00:17:52.540 So it last thing I'll say.

00:17:54.300 But if you I was a Russian studies major, I'm interested in Soviet history.

00:17:59.420 One of the things the Soviets did under Stalin and continue to do all the way through, you know, all the way through till 1991 is they would forcibly incarcerate people in mental institutions.

00:18:10.740 And rather than just sending them to the gulag, but they would publicly denounce them as crazy.

00:18:15.580 Oh, I'm sorry. 0.99

00:18:16.840 Glenn Beck, you know, is mentally unstable. 0.96

00:18:19.260 So for his own good, we had to pump them full of Thorazine and stick them in a cell. 0.98

00:18:23.800 That was a way.

00:18:25.360 And they did it to people who were free thinkers.

00:18:29.100 I feel like I'm not saying anyone's getting thrown into the gulag, but that impulse is on display in our society.

00:18:36.220 Wow.

00:18:36.480 You said something unapproved. 1.00

00:18:38.500 You must be crazy. 0.99

00:18:39.800 Really? 1.00

00:18:40.040 Why don't you assess what I said?

00:18:41.620 Is it true?

00:18:42.540 Right.

00:18:42.940 We have to care about whether things are true or not.

00:18:45.160 That's that's the that's the acid test.

00:18:47.500 I can't believe we live in a world where I actually not only have to talk about body armor, but talk about the body armor that I bought for my kids and my grandkids.

00:18:58.640 My wife and I have had body armor for a while because my job kind of demanded it. 0.96

00:19:04.780 We're supposed to be worried about keeping food on the table and gas in the car in a 72 hour grab bag if we're really crazy.

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00:19:59.520 I just read on the air today, Alexander Solzhenitsyn's essay from 1974, I think, right before he was arrested and then exported.

00:20:12.420 And I don't know the last time you read that essay, but Tucker, you should read it.

00:20:16.860 It is like it was written today for the United States of America.

00:20:22.540 It's incredible about Reddit.

00:20:26.420 Yeah.

00:20:26.740 I mean, and the sad thing was, you know, he lived out his days in Vermont and he was weird.

00:20:34.400 I mean, of course, anyone that deep is going to be weird.

00:20:37.460 And the Russians are weird and dark anyway and kind of solitary. 1.00

00:20:41.100 Tolstoy was the same.

00:20:41.880 Dusty was the same.

00:20:42.680 And they're all kind of it's in the character.

00:20:44.000 But how could he have been living in Putney or wherever he was?

00:20:48.120 He was like driving distance from where I live.

00:20:52.200 Why wasn't he like a national hero?

00:20:54.380 Why didn't we you know, why wasn't he more famous?

00:20:58.260 He was kind of forgotten at the end.

00:21:00.240 And I really think looking back, the United States missed a huge opportunity with the fall of the Soviet Union to rethink what the country is about, to sort of rededicate ourselves to our most, you know, essential values.

00:21:15.960 And someone like Solzhenitsyn at that moment, because it's always when you win that you're at your most vulnerable.

00:21:24.460 You know, getting hit in the face actually tends to make you better.

00:21:28.260 The early church, Christian church, when it was persecuted, was at its sort of clearest and most faithful and probably closest to what it should have been.

00:21:40.300 And as it succeeded and took over Europe and became the largest landowner, of course, it became decadent and made a reformation as a result of that.

00:21:47.600 I do think it's when you win that you fall apart.

00:21:51.160 And winning the Cold War, in retrospect, may have been like the worst thing that ever happened to the United States.

00:21:57.480 I think so, too.

00:21:58.280 But that also goes to something that, you know, for conservatives, we never had to defend.

00:22:04.500 And we always just thought everybody was with us.

00:22:06.680 You know, we always thought that we all believe the same things about America.

00:22:10.500 We didn't.

00:22:11.460 And now I can tell you that most conservatives who are at all thinkers, we can run circles around the left because we're constantly thrown up against the wall and challenged.

00:22:25.140 Oh, yeah.

00:22:25.660 And, you know, you can't be called a racist fascist for very long before you go, well, what is it that I'm saying?

00:22:31.940 Is there something that I am saying or that I do believe that is that way?

00:22:35.620 And that's good and healthy.

00:22:38.340 I couldn't agree with you more.

00:22:40.500 The upside of this moment, which is, you know, obviously the darkest since the Civil War, I would say, I think it's pretty clearly is.

00:22:48.080 The upside of it is people are traipsing up to the mental attic and discarding things they don't need and really taking stock, taking inventory.

00:22:57.400 What do I believe?

00:22:58.240 Why do I believe it?

00:22:59.260 It's really made most people weaker, but a small number of people much stronger and more purposeful and sharper and more decent.

00:23:08.100 The number of conversations I've had about God recently.

00:23:10.840 I mean, it's a little bit, I mean, you're publicly identified as religious, but I mean, I'm an Episcopalian.

00:23:15.700 I live in a totally secular world.

00:23:17.980 I never talk to people about God at dinner.

00:23:20.460 You know, the last five dinners I've had in my barn, the conversation has gone toward God because people are really thinking about, you know, what comes after this.

00:23:29.740 And that's a great thing.

00:23:31.520 We should be thinking about that every day.

00:23:33.180 We all die.

00:23:34.060 Like, what happens then?

00:23:35.240 Right.

00:23:35.760 Why is this a national conversation?

00:23:37.900 Right.

00:23:38.260 Right.

00:23:38.780 And well, you know, it was during our founding.

00:23:41.720 It was.

00:23:42.560 That's what that's what kind of stuff that people talked about.

00:23:45.420 You know, Franklin swore off unserious people around 19 around 17, 74, 75, because he said the times don't call for bon vivance.

00:23:58.320 They it we have to have serious conversations.

00:24:01.780 And he kind of switched his path.

00:24:04.420 And I think America is doing that maybe perhaps without even recognizing it.

00:24:09.180 Yeah, I here's my fear, and I think this every single day, is that people are going to get really radical.

00:24:19.320 Democracy is the safety relief valve.

00:24:22.280 You know, don't storm the Bastille.

00:24:24.800 Don't burn the federal building.

00:24:26.880 You can vote and you can change this.

00:24:28.340 If you convince people that their votes don't matter, they have no recourse and they become radical.

00:24:34.540 If you tell people that everybody, you know, that racial identity is the most important thing about you, identity politics demand that all of us identify by race.

00:24:44.560 This is a majority white country.

00:24:46.380 You're going to get massive white identity politics.

00:24:48.940 I don't want to.

00:24:50.400 I really don't want to live in that country.

00:24:52.540 Well, I tell you, it's I don't think anything that honestly, I don't think even most Democrats want that.

00:25:00.380 And I'm not talking about party people.

00:25:01.940 I'm talking about the my neighbors who are Democrats.

00:25:05.020 Yes, I don't think they want that either.

00:25:07.040 But everything's been so politicized.

00:25:09.540 But you couldn't you can't tell me that this is designed to help our country.

00:25:14.520 There's no way because everything you talk to any psychologist, psychiatrist, anyone who studies humans and they all know you're pushing all of the buttons to make people swing out.

00:25:29.300 That's what they want, unfortunately.

00:25:30.860 It's totally true.

00:25:32.640 I mean, when you tell people, oh, by the way, you know, we're we're withdrawing from Afghanistan, but the war's not over.

00:25:38.400 The war is here and it's against white supremacy or people who don't want mandatory vaccination.

00:25:45.460 And DHS, by the way, is leading the charge to, you know, hunt down the fifth column within.

00:25:51.860 And you're now the Taliban. 0.85

00:25:55.000 And which they're saying out loud, you're the Taliban.

00:25:58.020 Really?

00:25:58.420 So what does that mean?

00:25:59.120 You're going to bomb my Tora Bora?

00:26:01.060 You know, you are going to create Tim McVeigh's like I'm the least paranoid person.

00:26:08.380 And I know I'm from Southern California.

00:26:10.160 I always think everyone likes me.

00:26:12.220 I think it's going to be great.

00:26:13.600 You know what I mean?

00:26:14.240 I just have that temperament.

00:26:15.620 It's inborn.

00:26:16.720 And I'm starting to feel a little bit paranoid.

00:26:18.880 I know they're reading my text, for example.

00:26:20.920 It's what's making me a little paranoid.

00:26:22.340 What if you're already paranoid and you didn't have, you know, a wife and four kids and four

00:26:27.840 dogs like I do?

00:26:28.820 And you weren't kind of vested in the society.

00:26:30.920 You had nothing to lose.

00:26:32.020 And you turn on the TV and Joy Ann Reed is calling you a white supremacist and calling

00:26:36.800 on DHS to hunt you down.

00:26:39.420 Why wouldn't that push you over the edge?

00:26:40.960 I'm serious.

00:26:41.700 Why wouldn't it?

00:26:42.860 It would.

00:26:43.280 And by the way, you can't get a job because of your skin color. 0.92

00:26:46.060 What?

00:26:46.740 Your kids can't get work because of the way they look.

00:26:49.260 You are making people really radical.

00:26:52.240 And at some point, some crazy person is going to do something awful that will be used as

00:26:56.300 a pretext to really clamp down.

00:26:58.300 I mean, you can see where this is going.

00:26:59.820 It's very obvious.

00:27:00.840 And I fear that.

00:27:02.340 I don't want that.

00:27:03.240 I don't want to.

00:27:03.820 I don't want open violence.

00:27:05.580 I know.

00:27:05.820 I fear that as well.

00:27:07.400 I've started talking again about Martin Luther King and his rules of nonviolence, you know,

00:27:14.400 just to make sure that we're doing everything we can to stop it.

00:27:18.400 But I mean, I'm a fiction writer.

00:27:20.500 So let me write some fiction on top of that.

00:27:23.540 Take that same person that you were talking about.

00:27:26.440 Now, take a government that is colluding with social media and a nefarious guy, again,

00:27:33.880 fiction writing, who wants somebody to do something.

00:27:38.460 All you have to do is change the algorithm to keep feeding him more and more.

00:27:43.840 And you can create your own killer.

00:27:47.380 It's that's totally right.

00:27:50.060 I mean, I've never believed in any conspiracy theory of any kind whatsoever.

00:27:56.760 And now everybody I know, left and right, looks first to some kind of plot behind everything.

00:28:05.640 Why do we pull out of Afghanistan this way?

00:28:07.980 Well, because clearly there are conspiracies.

00:28:10.600 And I don't mean like elaborate Illuminati type conspiracies.

00:28:14.100 But like Biden isn't capable of running the country.

00:28:17.700 Are you?

00:28:18.040 It's too cynical. 0.75

00:28:18.800 Like you, you push a senile guy on the country.

00:28:23.080 You change the way we vote.

00:28:25.760 You accelerate the craziness the second he wins.

00:28:30.140 I'm going to be the unity candidate.

00:28:31.700 The second he wins, they're like, no, they're intentionally dividing the country against itself.

00:28:37.160 People, this vaccine mandate stuff is there's no health justification for this.

00:28:42.520 It is dividing families and ending friendships.

00:28:46.180 It is clear, so obviously, an effort to divide people against each other.

00:28:51.700 So you look at this and you're like, what the hell is going on?

00:28:54.640 Why would the U.S. government want Americans to hate each other?

00:28:57.880 And it changes the way you think about everything.

00:29:00.560 You don't take anything at face value because you can't because they never stop lying.

00:29:04.980 Right.

00:29:05.200 So after a while, it changes the mindset of the entire population.

00:29:10.040 And there's no trust whatsoever.

00:29:12.200 Nobody trusts anybody anymore.

00:29:13.740 And there's just a really dark way of looking at the world.

00:29:17.060 That is the pre that is the kind of breeding ground of like actual civil.

00:29:22.040 Oh, so I mean, I really did my homework on civil war and revolutions.

00:29:28.420 And that is exactly how they start.

00:29:31.980 That's exactly how they start.

00:29:33.440 And what's really frightening for me on the right is if you look at Donald Trump, he was not a he was not the problem.

00:29:43.520 He was a symptom of the problem.

00:29:45.820 People, people could not take it anymore that they weren't being listened to, that the people would go in and not do what they say.

00:29:54.640 So he's destroyed and they become more radical.

00:29:59.620 The left becomes more radical.

00:30:02.340 That leaves people in a position of saying, well, if he couldn't get the job done, if he couldn't stop them, then we need somebody really tough to stop them.

00:30:12.760 And this just keeps jacked up over and over and over again until you have a country that none of us want to live in.

00:30:21.420 Well, and that's unfortunately it's happening.

00:30:24.080 I mean, you I don't think any of us understood the degree to which all of our systems were essentially voluntary.

00:30:29.780 So two weeks ago, the administration decides to re up the moratorium on rent collection, on eviction.

00:30:37.640 And they say you can't evict someone from your property because that person doesn't pay you.

00:30:41.960 So this is, you know, you're you're avoiding property rights.

00:30:45.060 What does the Supreme Court have to say about this?

00:30:46.640 The Supreme Court says, well, you can't do this.

00:30:48.600 The Congress has to vote on it.

00:30:49.980 You can't just do this by fiat.

00:30:51.660 It's not an executive.

00:30:53.200 You can't do it in an executive order.

00:30:54.540 It's a democracy.

00:30:55.200 Someone has to vote on it.

00:30:56.200 So Maxine Waters is asked and she's like, OK, the Supreme Court doesn't like it.

00:31:00.780 What are they going to do about it?

00:31:02.440 Nothing.

00:31:03.340 But to old judges, what they have guns.

00:31:05.300 I don't think so.

00:31:05.960 Just ignore them.

00:31:06.800 And the Biden administration did that and they got away with it because who's going to stop them?

00:31:11.060 Once people start thinking like that, you know, we're importing two million people from foreign countries.

00:31:16.320 We don't even know their identities, but we're just getting them in and flying into your neighborhood because we want to change the, you know, the electoral balance in the country.

00:31:22.260 They're doing that.

00:31:23.080 No one's stopping them.

00:31:23.880 So once people start to realize that, oh, wait, I don't need to obey.

00:31:28.420 Why am I paying my taxes?

00:31:29.800 Honestly, like, why am I participating in this?

00:31:32.300 There aren't enough cops to arrest me.

00:31:33.980 I can do.

00:31:34.600 I mean, you can see that anarchy is a lot closer than we think it is.

00:31:38.760 Once the veil drops and, you know, might makes right and the guy with the most power or the most ammunition gets to do exactly what he wants, then everybody feels that way.

00:31:48.800 And it's it's it's I don't know.

00:31:51.220 I think we're understating what they're destroying right now.

00:31:54.300 I really think it's going to be very hard to put civil society back together after the Biden administration.

00:32:00.900 Do you worry about your future?

00:32:05.740 Never, never.

00:32:07.200 I never even think that ever.

00:32:09.260 Now, you were you never about your job being able to do it.

00:32:12.840 Never.

00:32:13.500 I never think that.

00:32:15.220 No, because I'm 52.

00:32:17.580 My last child went to college yesterday.

00:32:20.440 I'm not rich.

00:32:21.540 I don't have a mortgage.

00:32:22.560 I paid off the mortgage.

00:32:23.560 I don't have any credit card debt.

00:32:24.880 So I'm not asking you what it knows me.

00:32:27.980 I'm the least ostentatious liver you've ever.

00:32:31.440 You know, I I fly southwest.

00:32:33.200 I just don't have a lot of economic needs.

00:32:35.780 Just I'm being as honest as I can be.

00:32:37.740 So I don't really care about that.

00:32:40.100 I love my job, but I can't control it.

00:32:42.920 I work for a family, the Murdoch family, that has been totally consistent and very serious about protecting free speech.

00:32:52.960 I have no idea if they agree with what I say.

00:32:55.120 I doubt it sometimes, but I don't know what I know is they're not going to be bullied into taking me off the air.

00:33:01.920 So I'm so grateful for that.

00:33:03.480 It's the thing that I'm most grateful for my professional life.

00:33:05.980 On the other hand, God knows where the world is going.

00:33:08.360 So I can't I can't worry about it.

00:33:10.220 I feel like I feel like at this point I fell into this job.

00:33:13.640 I didn't earn it.

00:33:14.780 Bill O'Reilly left.

00:33:15.880 I got the job.

00:33:17.440 And that was basically an accident or was through the kindness of Rupert Murdoch.

00:33:21.120 And I found myself in this position at a certain time of life where I can say what I really think is true.

00:33:27.340 And I plan to until they take me off the air.

00:33:29.780 And then, you know, God knows.

00:33:31.480 I really admire you, Tucker.

00:33:33.380 You know, you and I have not always agreed on things.

00:33:35.820 But I have to tell you, you are one of the only people in the media on, you know, traditional corporate media that is telling the truth.

00:33:47.260 It's so well researched, so well done.

00:33:50.920 And I know I've been in your position.

00:33:53.920 I know what it takes.

00:33:55.220 They don't pay people like us a lot of money because we're so talented.

00:33:59.260 It's because you give up an awful lot.

00:34:03.900 And in today's world, you I know what you're going through.

00:34:07.900 And I really admire you.

00:34:09.840 I think you're one of the bravest men in America today.

00:34:11.920 Well, luckily, it's not.

00:34:14.600 I mean, I happen to.

00:34:16.340 So I live in the woods, obviously, and I like that.

00:34:19.220 That's I love nature and I like living in the woods.

00:34:22.880 And so that kind of suits me.

00:34:24.900 I have.

00:34:25.460 I've always had a happy marriage.

00:34:26.800 I've been married 30 years last week.

00:34:29.200 And so I love my wife and my dogs and my kids.

00:34:33.300 I'm just kind of happy.

00:34:34.420 So I don't I just feel like it was a it was a it was an accident that I wound up here.

00:34:39.140 It doesn't bother me that the Atlantic magazine doesn't like me.

00:34:43.540 I don't read it.

00:34:44.300 I don't care what they think.

00:34:45.560 You know, I have so little respect for them that their opinions are irrelevant to me.

00:34:49.660 And as long as my wife and our producers and my friends and my children and my dogs still like me,

00:34:55.220 that I'm happy and I think they do with each passing day.

00:34:58.780 It's obvious that the party who usurped power is falling apart.

00:35:03.380 The problem is they're taking the entire country and world with them.

00:35:07.800 That's why I expect maybe possibly some shortages, you know, of a few things, maybe food.

00:35:15.360 I'm just saying mega drought.

00:35:17.400 It's a big threat and threat of more lockdowns, inflation, instability all around the world.

00:35:25.000 The food supply chain is very fragile always, but even more so now.

00:35:30.580 When that happens, it won't be long before food disappears from grocery stores.

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00:36:21.000 Let me go through a couple of things.

00:36:23.500 I want to understand your take on Afghanistan.

00:36:26.040 People are calling you a fascist, and you hate immigration, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:36:32.760 Are they really?

00:36:33.920 I'm not on Twitter, so I didn't know that.

00:36:35.780 We are.

00:36:37.960 I think we're on the same page, but I could be wrong, because it appears as though we're polar opposites.

00:36:44.780 I don't want a bunch of people.

00:36:47.240 I want people who want to be an American and know what that means.

00:36:54.760 I think the more the merrier of those people who are coming here because they don't have the ability to do what you can only do in America and wants to play by the constitutional rules.

00:37:08.040 We have most Americans don't want to do that now.

00:37:10.540 They can make us stronger.

00:37:12.420 But I don't want open borders.

00:37:14.000 And from Afghanistan, the way this is looking, we're just, who's on that plane?

00:37:19.580 I don't even know who's on that plane, and I don't think we know who's on that plane.

00:37:23.960 That's right.

00:37:24.560 Was that your point on Monday?

00:37:26.320 Of course.

00:37:28.480 It'll be my point tonight.

00:37:29.460 We're leading with it again.

00:37:30.580 I mean, I think of, look, if you're running America, you need to think of it like your house.

00:37:36.200 Okay?

00:37:36.440 You're always willing to have house guests and get them a drink and do what, you know, you want to be hospitable.

00:37:41.440 And, you know, that's the flavor of life.

00:37:45.180 Like having people, we have house guests constantly.

00:37:47.020 We never don't have house guests in my house.

00:37:48.760 So I'm all for that.

00:37:50.880 But you don't take anyone off the street like you really care because your kids live there, too.

00:37:56.840 You know what I mean?

00:37:57.820 Right, yeah.

00:37:58.220 So ultimately, their welfare is the most important thing.

00:38:02.200 So I'm not going to invite a child molester to my house because I have four children.

00:38:06.140 Right. 0.99

00:38:06.480 And so you need to approach this with maximum care as if you actually gave a crap about your house and the people who live there. 0.97

00:38:15.160 That's it. 0.94

00:38:15.680 And so I feel like right now in American history, you know, this country is too divided.

00:38:21.960 Our society is too volatile.

00:38:24.380 I feel like things are falling apart.

00:38:26.240 I don't think that's an overstatement.

00:38:27.920 I try not to say things that are, you know, inflammatory for their own sake.

00:38:31.420 I do feel like things are falling apart.

00:38:32.760 Look around.

00:38:33.800 And one of the reasons they are is because Americans haven't decided what unites us.

00:38:39.060 What all Americans have in common.

00:38:40.560 It's not a language.

00:38:41.580 It's not a religion.

00:38:42.280 It's not a skin color.

00:38:43.320 It's not a shared history.

00:38:44.360 Used our unum used to be the Bill of Rights and it's not anymore.

00:38:49.140 Right.

00:38:50.020 Exactly.

00:38:50.940 So until we can decide corporately together what it is that holds us together, we can't have a single more person.

00:38:59.880 Another person moves here.

00:39:01.140 I don't think I think we need to just like stop and say, OK, totally happy to have the best people in the world move here.

00:39:07.940 But we need to figure out what it is that unites us because countries don't hang together just because it's a physics principle.

00:39:15.820 I mean, centrifugal force is real and a continental country will spin apart into its component elements.

00:39:23.520 We have 50 states.

00:39:24.420 Why wouldn't they become countries?

00:39:25.520 Why wouldn't you have a series of wars?

00:39:28.140 I mean, you could see this really going wrong.

00:39:31.700 And so we need to decide on that.

00:39:34.620 And we need to.

00:39:35.180 That's a matter.

00:39:36.080 That's an urgent priority.

00:39:37.240 I think it's the urgent priority.

00:39:38.860 And endless waves of new people is a terrible idea.

00:39:43.920 And it's our fault.

00:39:45.040 It's not theirs. 0.96

00:39:45.760 OK, so I started.

00:39:47.840 We don't tell them people come to the country.

00:39:49.940 Ilhan Omar is rescued from a refugee camp in Kenya.

00:39:52.860 Yeah.

00:39:53.280 And she comes here and we don't convince her that this is a good country.

00:39:57.160 We tell her it's a terrible country.

00:39:58.600 Correct.

00:39:59.180 So it's our fault.

00:40:00.280 We're not good at assimilating immigrants anymore. 1.00

00:40:02.820 So in 2016, I started something called the Nazarene Fund that went for the persecuted Christians and Yazidis in Syria and Iraq and moving them mainly to Australia.

00:40:15.800 And they have Australia is really good at assimilation. 0.84

00:40:19.820 You have to speak the language, everything else.

00:40:22.200 But they've been really good.

00:40:24.640 This on Monday, I called the head of the fund and I said, how can we help?

00:40:31.220 I mean, because, you know, there are Christians there.

00:40:33.240 How do we help?

00:40:35.120 We I'm trying to raise 20 million dollars in the next two days to be able to get these people out.

00:40:44.760 We have three to five thousand Christians that are verifiable Christians because that was put on their paperwork, their paperwork.

00:40:53.440 If you know papers, please, our our sanctioned government somehow or another allowed that to happen beginning in 2009.

00:41:03.720 And so now these people are the ones who said openly in a very dangerous place.

00:41:10.240 I'm Christian.

00:41:11.200 So they're not coming to the United States, but they are going to a country that will accept Christians and people from Afghanistan.

00:41:22.060 Do you have a problem with that?

00:41:24.960 Well, I'm totally for that.

00:41:26.380 I mean, one of one of the reasons that I've always been willing to defend Assad, who clearly is a bad guy in a lot of ways, is that the Assad family created a refuge for Christians in Syria. 0.67

00:41:41.140 That's just true.

00:41:42.680 And Christians throughout that whole region.

00:41:44.920 I am Christian.

00:41:45.800 So I don't think it's weird for me to be interested in the plate of Christians around the world. 0.92

00:41:49.800 It's considered like immoral or something.

00:41:52.520 I don't I don't care.

00:41:53.660 But I'm I'm for helping the Christians because I am Christian and this is a majority Christian country.

00:42:00.720 It began that way.

00:42:02.360 It's part of who we are.

00:42:04.340 It triggers the hell out of when you say that.

00:42:06.540 But again, I don't care.

00:42:08.160 That's just true.

00:42:09.300 And so, yes, the Obama administration, by the way, excluded Christians.

00:42:14.060 I know that from Syria.

00:42:15.140 I know that on purpose.

00:42:16.560 I know nobody said anything about it.

00:42:18.680 And I mean, don't even get me going.

00:42:19.960 But like, where are our church leaders?

00:42:22.940 Where where are Christian ministers on this?

00:42:25.380 They said nothing.

00:42:27.220 And they should have to live with that, in my opinion.

00:42:29.540 But anyway, no, I'm look, I'm totally for that.

00:42:32.880 But I just my first concern is the United States.

00:42:36.300 And I mean, housing prices are so out of control.

00:42:40.480 I'm pretty affluent.

00:42:41.540 Our family's pretty affluent by, you know, national standards, I guess.

00:42:46.520 How are my kids going to buy a house?

00:42:48.640 And they have a lot of advantages, my kids.

00:42:50.900 If you're not my kid and you know, your dad is an HVAC guy, like you're not buying a house,

00:42:56.300 like period.

00:42:57.880 And so part of that is a numbers question.

00:43:00.800 A crowded country is more expensive.

00:43:03.580 And how you know, how many people can we take?

00:43:05.840 I don't know.

00:43:06.160 I think that's a completely no one else is asking that question.

00:43:08.560 So I am like, what's the ideal population?

00:43:11.080 Is it infinite?

00:43:12.820 We have three hundred and forty million probably higher than that, actually.

00:43:15.600 But I don't know, like in the next 10 years, how many people do we want?

00:43:19.040 Let's start there.

00:43:19.980 You know, I don't have a number.

00:43:22.520 I just have a quality that I'm looking for.

00:43:25.360 Somebody that believes that we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal,

00:43:29.600 endowed by their credit with certain inalienable rights.

00:43:31.400 And governments are instituted among men to protect those rights.

00:43:34.800 That's all I want.

00:43:36.360 That's all I want.

00:43:38.040 I love that.

00:43:39.060 Let me give you something from the Atlantic, because I know you're not reading it.

00:43:44.200 You are you're called a fascist because of the Hungarian prime minister.

00:43:51.560 The Atlantic writes under the new.

00:43:53.320 Now, this is they're describing Hungary.

00:43:55.820 OK, try to not think of the United States in this.

00:43:58.300 Under the new emergency legislation, his far right party can effectively govern unchallenged, bypass both parliament and existing laws.

00:44:09.500 It permits people to hand out jail terms for those deemed to be spreading misinformation, though.

00:44:15.800 Other countries have imposed their own emergency measures to combat the crisis.

00:44:19.320 Hungary's are by far the most far reaching and the most permanent, though. 0.61

00:44:23.940 The Hungarian government insists these measures will only last as long as the crisis does.

00:44:28.460 The duration is entirely up to the prime minister.

00:44:34.120 You have you have said Hungary is more free than than we are in many ways.

00:44:42.280 Much more, much more free.

00:44:44.520 And I look, I don't speak Hungarian, just to be clear.

00:44:48.220 And you can't understand the country adequately or really at all until you speak the language, period.

00:44:54.480 So and I've learned that from traveling around the world.

00:44:57.580 I've been to many, many countries.

00:44:59.480 And so I'm not here to defend the Hungarian government.

00:45:02.440 I can only tell you what I saw, which is you have a country in which the press is much more balanced than here.

00:45:09.520 The majority of the press in Hungary opposes the regime, opposes Viktor Orban's government.

00:45:13.680 The majority, but not 98 percent on one side, as you have here.

00:45:19.020 The opposition doesn't need armed bodyguards.

00:45:22.280 If you criticize the regime in this country with a big platform, and I don't need to tell you this, you need armed bodyguards, period.

00:45:29.620 So I'm trying to hurt you.

00:45:31.060 If you put a poster in your window in a store in downtown New York opposing, I don't know, mandatory vaccines or Black Lives Matter, they'll shut your store down. 0.62

00:45:42.100 They'll break your windows. That is not true in Budapest at all.

00:45:46.440 So on the most basic level, there is a lot more freedom there.

00:45:50.220 And by the way, if you want to know how the political system works, Viktor Orban is up in April.

00:45:56.500 He could very likely lose.

00:45:59.020 So no one has ever claimed that an election in Hungary was unfair.

00:46:03.640 I mean, there's far more evidence of voter fraud in the United States than there is in Hungary. 0.62

00:46:08.300 So I don't know what again, I'm I don't live there.

00:46:13.020 Yeah. And you're not on is not a it's it's fair to compare not without defending, isn't it?

00:46:19.100 Isn't it? Well, of course.

00:46:20.040 I mean, I don't work for Viktor Orban.

00:46:22.180 He's not a friend of mine.

00:46:23.200 I mean, whatever.

00:46:24.140 It's Hungary.

00:46:24.980 I'm American.

00:46:25.700 Right.

00:46:26.220 Unlike a lot of the people at the Atlantic, I don't have another passport.

00:46:30.060 I'm staying here.

00:46:31.320 I have nowhere to go.

00:46:32.680 I'm riding this puppy wherever it goes.

00:46:35.080 So I am as thoroughly American and as thoroughly stuck here as anyone has ever been.

00:46:41.820 I'm not leaving. 0.99

00:46:42.800 So don't give me that crap. 1.00

00:46:44.300 I mean, that's it's just so dumb. 0.99

00:46:46.340 What's interesting, though, is what a threat the reality of Hungary is. 1.00

00:46:51.240 I mean, I would just suggest to your audience go to Budapest for a week.

00:46:54.140 How many drug addicts do you see living on the sidewalk?

00:46:57.460 Do you feel like you're going to get stabbed riding the subway?

00:47:00.300 No.

00:47:00.940 Is there spray paint everywhere?

00:47:02.540 No.

00:47:02.860 Is there soul destroying modernist architecture just wrecking the landscape?

00:47:08.400 No.

00:47:09.180 It's like way nicer.

00:47:10.880 Are there all kinds of weird chemicals in the food that castrate men?

00:47:14.220 No.

00:47:15.260 Do you know what I mean?

00:47:16.180 So, like, why is that bad?

00:47:18.600 I'm not moving there.

00:47:19.680 I'm staying here. 0.99

00:47:20.960 But it's not necessary to have all that crap in your society. 0.99

00:47:25.440 This is a choice. 0.99

00:47:26.400 We don't need rapists wandering around pushing people in front of subway cars. 1.00

00:47:30.820 We don't have to live across from a homeless encampment where people are shooting heroin as your kids walk to school.

00:47:36.880 Like, we only have that because we allow it.

00:47:39.880 We don't have to.

00:47:41.160 Like, we don't have to have crime.

00:47:43.780 There's no crime on the scale that we have in Hungary.

00:47:46.640 And it's not about guns.

00:47:47.960 It's just like they don't put up with it.

00:47:49.360 Most societies don't, by the way.

00:47:51.320 So, why are we?

00:47:53.240 And that's just a really simple question.

00:47:55.380 Why are we putting up with this?

00:47:56.540 Because our leaders want it.

00:47:57.920 You know, that's the answer.

00:47:59.060 We wouldn't have it if they didn't want it.

00:48:00.680 Michael Chertoff said to me years and years ago, this is before social media and everything else.

00:48:09.440 We were talking about something on the air.

00:48:11.140 We got off the air and I said, let me email something to you.

00:48:14.300 And he went, he just smiled and shook his head.

00:48:16.140 He said, oh, I don't have email.

00:48:19.180 And I said, really?

00:48:22.700 And he said, no, if people knew about email and digital communication, I don't think anyone would have it.

00:48:32.520 Now, I don't think that's true.

00:48:34.820 I don't think I think we've come to a place to where we have convinced ourselves we cannot live or function without it.

00:48:43.780 And that leads us to all kinds.

00:48:46.240 I remember being on the air 25, 30 years ago saying, I'm not giving my I'm not giving the government my fingerprint.

00:48:53.300 Absolutely not.

00:48:54.580 We give it to Apple gladly.

00:48:57.620 We're we're we have retinal scans so we can get on the airplane faster.

00:49:02.680 It's insane what's happened.

00:49:05.340 You have been hit by the NSA and they've been they unmasked you.

00:49:10.680 We know this for sure.

00:49:12.100 They've admitted that they unmasked you, which is not an easy thing.

00:49:16.100 They would have to have all kinds of reasons for it.

00:49:18.860 Do you actually think, though, that you're going to find out what really happened?

00:49:22.780 Do you think that anything is going to stop?

00:49:26.300 Oh, of course not.

00:49:27.580 I mean, look, the only way it stops is if the media decide that, you know, we can't allow this.

00:49:35.220 I mean, there's a principle at stake that we must defend.

00:49:37.180 And of course, they're not in the business of defending principles.

00:49:40.060 They're in the business of destroying them and acting on behalf of the party in power, because that's where they think they're, you know, they're future lies.

00:49:48.340 That's their advantage.

00:49:49.340 So, no, I mean, of course not.

00:49:50.580 You'll never find out.

00:49:51.520 And I'm, you know, as a practical matter, I was annoyed because I was trying to get an interview with Putin, which I thought would be really interesting.

00:49:57.920 I'm not a Putin worker, but why wouldn't you want to interview Putin?

00:50:01.160 I'm a journalist.

00:50:02.240 And, you know, it completely spooked the Russians, so now I don't get my interview with Putin.

00:50:07.080 And, you know, they were going to use this.

00:50:09.080 I mean, they leaked it to news organizations that I was trying to set up this interview to make me seem like I was some Russian stooge or whatever. 0.99

00:50:16.240 It's just so dumb. 1.00

00:50:19.400 I mean, anybody who thinks that Russia is the primary threat to America is like an idiot, and I don't care what you think anyway. 1.00

00:50:25.580 If you think that's just too stupid for me, I can't deal with it. 1.00

00:50:28.140 Obviously, China is the primary threat. 1.00

00:50:29.600 But there's kind of no other way to look at it based on the evidence.

00:50:34.200 And, you know, but you have to ask yourself, why would, again, the U.S. government want to divide the population against itself, whip up hysteria, start witch hunts, hurt American citizens?

00:50:48.480 I mean, why aren't we turning that against our enemies?

00:50:50.840 Why are we doing it to our own people?

00:50:52.880 I'm a citizen.

00:50:53.620 I pay taxes.

00:50:54.400 It's like, you can't treat me like that, but they can and they will until people decide, no, we're not doing that anymore.

00:51:01.100 Let me let me end here with some questions of just about where we're headed now, what what we should be doing.

00:51:10.540 First of all, the Democrats are pushing everything they can to fix the election and change the way we vote.

00:51:19.500 If that happens, then it's it's over.

00:51:23.000 But if that doesn't happen, where should the Republicans be going?

00:51:30.480 I mean, you know, you have an interesting balance, and I think we have the same feeling.

00:51:37.000 Nationalism is not bad unless it's unless it is you will be an American and it becomes right.

00:51:46.520 Logistic populism isn't bad unless it's just out of control.

00:51:54.360 Those those two things are bad as long as they're balanced with principles that are, you know, our founding documents.

00:52:02.420 Right.

00:52:03.040 Where is the Republican going and what's the right balance and what should it be concentrating on?

00:52:08.280 I mean, I couldn't agree with you more.

00:52:11.720 Nationalism and populism are part of the mix.

00:52:14.980 I mean, I do think, like, as a foreign policy question, every decision ought to at a top line question ought to be, how does this serve the interest of the United States?

00:52:27.640 Now, we can debate what those are.

00:52:29.300 Yep.

00:52:29.580 Yep.

00:52:29.740 But that clearly has to be the guiding force behind everything that we do abroad.

00:52:36.020 Does this help us?

00:52:37.520 And we hope that it helps other people in the process because we're generous, open hearted people.

00:52:42.520 But it has to.

00:52:43.500 It's the U.S. government.

00:52:44.240 So the U.S. government has to act on behalf of the population of the United States.

00:52:48.440 Populism is an expression of frustration that reminds us that this is a republic.

00:52:53.580 It's a representative government.

00:52:56.580 Our representatives in Washington ought to be acting on our behalf.

00:52:59.580 And populism is like a wake up call.

00:53:01.280 When you ignore it, it gets much more intense, which is what they've done.

00:53:06.020 I think the Republican Party at this stage has a really clear mission, and that's to protect its people.

00:53:11.960 No one else is.

00:53:12.800 Every power center in the country is on one side.

00:53:17.720 You know, every big corporation, all education, K through, you know, doctorate, it's all on one side.

00:53:27.460 The church, this kills me to say it, but many churches are also on that side, the leadership.

00:53:33.120 And so really the only power available to people who dissent is probably 45 percent of the country is this party, the Republican Party.

00:53:43.080 That's it.

00:53:43.780 They are the last men standing.

00:53:46.580 They're the defenders.

00:53:47.700 They have to defend their people because their people have no other means of defense.

00:53:52.240 And if you abandon your people, then your people decide, well, no one's going to defend me.

00:53:57.160 I'm buying a gun.

00:53:58.040 I'm serious.

00:53:59.280 The people will get super radical if they feel cornered and they feel like, you know, I'm under attack and no one's come to save me.

00:54:06.200 Yep.

00:54:06.760 You know, God knows what I'll do at that point.

00:54:08.500 I'm not joking at all.

00:54:09.620 And I've told a million Republican office holders, the problem is that a lot of them are weak.

00:54:18.160 And you see this with men.

00:54:19.820 I got to say, I can't control myself.

00:54:21.360 I really make an effort to highlight brave people because I think this is a moment that demands bravery.

00:54:27.960 You know, people, the individual standing up in front of the tank in Tiananmen Square and saying, no, you're going to have to run me over.

00:54:33.460 Yep.

00:54:34.120 Probably 95 percent of the people we find and put on the air are women. 1.00

00:54:39.400 Had one last night, a nurse in North Carolina.

00:54:41.660 I'm sorry.

00:54:42.460 I'm totally for vaccines.

00:54:43.880 I'm not going to be forced to take one.

00:54:45.460 I'm resigning my job.

00:54:47.020 I'm putting everything on the line.

00:54:48.160 I had her on.

00:54:49.260 And I thought to myself, that's about the 20th woman in a row. 0.70

00:54:52.240 And I love them all.

00:54:53.240 And I they're heroes.

00:54:54.580 However, where are the men?

00:54:56.720 Where are the men?

00:54:58.700 Something has happened to American men.

00:55:00.700 We know sperm counts are the lowest ever recorded.

00:55:03.740 We know testosterone is the lowest ever recorded.

00:55:06.360 We know that it's falling.

00:55:07.800 What that has massive consequences.

00:55:10.420 What the hell?

00:55:11.280 NIH is funding precisely zero studies on this.

00:55:13.960 What?

00:55:14.740 We're not going to be able to continue the species, but that's not a subject of concern or interest to you.

00:55:19.520 What?

00:55:19.940 What the hell is going on?

00:55:21.100 But you see it in their behavior.

00:55:22.560 So someone like Ben Sasse, who I consider really smart and thoughtful and a decent person, I'm sure he's a good dad and whatever.

00:55:31.500 I think the same of Mitt Romney, actually.

00:55:33.960 Mitt Romney's kids seem to like him.

00:55:35.460 I disagree with Mitt Romney, but I think Mitt Romney is like not a bad guy at all.

00:55:39.660 I mean, if he was I'd let him babysit my children.

00:55:41.980 I'm being serious.

00:55:42.940 Yeah.

00:55:43.060 And there are a lot of them like this.

00:55:45.300 Roger Wicker of Mississippi, I think he's probably a good guy.

00:55:48.500 They're weak.

00:55:49.620 There's something in them that's weak.

00:55:51.280 And they've decided I'm not, you know, the other side is ascended.

00:55:55.160 The left is winning.

00:55:56.740 I'm not going to push any buttons that, you know, might infuriate them.

00:56:01.700 They're just they're not they're not lion hearted.

00:56:04.120 And this is a moment when you need people who aren't, you know, vicious, lashing out, crazy that I hate that.

00:56:10.160 But who are legitimately strong will say, here are my principles.

00:56:13.980 I will clearly articulate them for you.

00:56:16.060 And by the way, I'll die for them because that's what principles are.

00:56:18.640 You know, real principles, not BS.

00:56:20.500 You know, this is the tax rate I want.

00:56:21.720 But like people should be allowed to say what they really believe.

00:56:24.360 That's called freedom of speech is guaranteed in the First Amendment to the Bill of Rights.

00:56:27.800 That's a non-negotiable point, period.

00:56:30.320 Someone who will do that.

00:56:31.540 And they're like none of them.

00:56:33.100 The only ones who will do it are women. 1.00

00:56:35.360 And that has a lot of consequences. 0.98

00:56:38.160 For one thing, it drives the women crazy. 1.00

00:56:39.800 But a lot of really angry women right now, have you noticed? 1.00

00:56:42.880 And I think a lot of them are angry because their men are weak.

00:56:46.960 I do think that.

00:56:48.100 I mean, I don't think that.

00:56:49.020 I know that.

00:56:50.400 And I've been married to the same woman for 30 years. 0.94

00:56:53.000 And if you want to make her mad, you know, weak men.

00:56:55.680 This is true for a lot of I have three daughters.

00:56:57.540 I see this.

00:56:57.980 I see this all the time.

00:56:59.180 Weak men make them mad because it's it's wrong.

00:57:02.940 And this is like basic and human.

00:57:05.520 You know, all the true basic human things are the one of the things we're not allowed to talk about. 0.97

00:57:09.800 Yeah, I can like talk about our dumb theories.

00:57:12.580 But the way that people really are nature, nature itself is so offensive to our leaders because it challenges their totally unnatural program. 0.95

00:57:22.280 There's nothing less natural than neoliberalism.

00:57:24.540 It's an assault on nature.

00:57:25.760 It's a denial of nature.

00:57:26.740 But at its core, nature is about sex differences.

00:57:32.020 Men and women are different.

00:57:34.360 Does and stags are different.

00:57:36.980 Their difference is the central fact of the natural world.

00:57:41.980 And if something falls out of balance in that relationship between male and female, everything else is affected by it, everything.

00:57:53.020 And so at the core of the volatility and the craziness and the and the too rapid to digest change that's going on is this weird lack of balance between men and women.

00:58:04.880 And I think it's physiological.

00:58:06.020 I don't think this is not just a cultural phenomenon.

00:58:09.960 You know, the massive increase in trans identifying kids.

00:58:14.580 It's not just a result of propaganda from the schools.

00:58:18.320 That's part of it.

00:58:19.340 But it's it's bigger than that.

00:58:20.900 This has never happened in human history.

00:58:22.380 In all human history, this has never happened.

00:58:25.540 So that's a red flag right there.

00:58:26.900 What the hell is this?

00:58:27.740 Now, you could be totally for it or you can be totally opposed.

00:58:30.900 It doesn't even matter how you feel about it as a phenomenon.

00:58:34.080 It's worth studying what is going on.

00:58:37.140 And it's the one thing that nobody mentions.

00:58:40.480 And I just have noticed this.

00:58:42.380 I mean, just like empirically just around me.

00:58:44.460 And I'm hardly a genius and I'm not a scientist.

00:58:46.900 But this is so obvious.

00:58:48.500 You'd have to be a liar to ignore it.

00:58:51.200 And we should not ignore it.

00:58:53.620 What is your theory that that is causing it?

00:58:56.920 You know, I don't I don't even have an operative theory on it.

00:59:00.400 I mean, you know, everyone you ask who's thought about it says, well, I think there are plastics in the food.

00:59:04.360 Clearly, you know, and I have no idea.

00:59:06.560 I can't I don't have the tools to to assess that. 0.93

00:59:09.840 Clearly, our food is garbage.

00:59:11.280 I mean, there's no question about that. 0.99

00:59:12.980 No question.

00:59:14.020 Everyone's down on cigarette smoking.

00:59:15.800 Oh, cigarettes are so bad.

00:59:16.820 Really?

00:59:17.420 Are they worse than wheat thins?

00:59:18.760 I'm not sure they are.

00:59:20.040 Actually, processed food.

00:59:22.340 I mean, maybe they are.

00:59:23.320 Tell me how.

00:59:25.300 But processed food in this country.

00:59:28.040 And this is not true in all countries.

00:59:29.420 I'm just in Europe is very, very different.

00:59:32.420 Again, I don't have deep knowledge about this.

00:59:34.760 I'm just I'm just noticing what is very, very obvious.

00:59:38.340 There's something.

00:59:39.420 And there was just a remarkable book written about this by a former New York Times reporter who I interviewed.

00:59:43.820 He said, you know, our food is so engineered, just like everything else in our world.

00:59:47.320 Just like just like the iPhone.

00:59:49.360 It's engineered to hook you.

00:59:50.760 So is our food.

00:59:51.500 But over time, it has physiological effects.

00:59:54.820 I remember as a kid on hosting Crossfire in my 20s, defending GMOs and like, well, there's nothing wrong with GMOs.

01:00:01.000 I had no freaking idea what a GMO was.

01:00:02.820 But that was like a right wing position to defend GMOs.

01:00:05.580 Do I work for agribusiness now?

01:00:08.340 Why the hell was I doing that?

01:00:09.560 I have no idea.

01:00:10.300 Because I was a kid. 1.00

01:00:11.260 I was an idiot. 1.00

01:00:12.020 I was just a shill. 1.00

01:00:12.900 I was like a, you know, you could get me to say the things I thought I had to say.

01:00:17.400 Now that I'm older, I still don't know much about GMOs.

01:00:19.920 But I mean, why don't we talk about this?

01:00:22.380 You're engineering food because it's more efficient.

01:00:27.520 Are there physiological effects of that?

01:00:30.060 No human population in history has ever eaten this stuff.

01:00:33.780 Is it good for you?

01:00:35.060 I mean, why don't we have that conversation?

01:00:37.480 Like, so things like food, sex, water.

01:00:42.060 These are the basic things in life.

01:00:44.380 And when they change, everything else change.

01:00:47.540 I would add one.

01:00:48.100 Again, I'll just last thing I'll say.

01:00:49.280 Nobody talks about it.

01:00:50.360 I know.

01:00:50.700 We should talk about it.

01:00:51.320 I would add one thing to that list.

01:00:53.620 Communication.

01:00:55.160 Yes.

01:00:55.460 We don't.

01:00:56.120 We have done the biggest experiment on humankind and we have all just adopted it, except for

01:01:03.500 the kids of the people that run Silicon Valley.

01:01:07.240 Right. 0.64

01:01:08.160 And we're just these lab rats.

01:01:10.440 We have no idea.

01:01:12.300 I mean, I think that has done so much damage all around the world.

01:01:16.720 We look at the good things.

01:01:18.620 You know, it kills me.

01:01:19.400 The Taliban used Twitter to to organize, to go into different cities and take them over.

01:01:26.120 But Donald Trump can't.

01:01:27.980 You know, Twitter.

01:01:29.420 Twitter won't help the people in Cuba.

01:01:32.120 It's I mean, we're just being led around by a nose ring.

01:01:37.040 Tucker, it is.

01:01:37.660 We are.

01:01:38.160 It's great to talk to you.

01:01:39.120 Thank you so much.

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The Glenn Beck Program - August 21, 2021

Ep 114 ｜ Why Tucker Carlson Hates 'Journalists' ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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