The Glenn Beck Program - Ep 116 ｜ Why Vets DEFIED the Taliban in INSANE Rescue Mission ｜ Tim Kennedy ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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00:00:22.460 In the beginning, there was nothing, and then God created Chuck Norris.

00:00:31.460 And Chuck Norris, roundhouse, kicked nothing and told it, get a job.

00:00:38.280 That joke applies to today's guest as well.

00:00:41.820 This guy is a real-life Captain America.

00:00:45.440 He's a former UFC fighter, third-degree black belt, prolific entrepreneur.

00:00:50.780 He is a cultural commentator, History Channel host, stunt coordinator, self-described gun enthusiast.

00:01:01.120 He makes most of us as guys look bad, and I don't like it.

00:01:06.540 He's the kind of guy who could fight against a grizzly bear and probably would and then win.

00:01:12.780 And then they'd probably cut it up and sear it over a fire that he made himself, chopping down the logs with his bare hands.

00:01:24.340 One of his hobbies is exterminating feral hogs from a helicopter.

00:01:29.460 I know that might sound weird, unless you live in the South or in Texas.

00:01:33.600 It is a great sport.

00:01:35.000 He recently opened a K-12 Acton Academy, full-blown pirate ship, cannons, all of it.

00:01:44.060 Most of us run from gunfire.

00:01:46.600 He doesn't.

00:01:48.220 After his career as an MMA fighter, he enlisted in the Army Special Forces, where he served as a sniper.

00:01:54.480 He deployed several times during Operation Iraqi Freedom, Operation Enduring Freedom.

00:01:59.000 His military uniform has five rows of awards, including a bronze star.

00:02:04.860 He was a ranger.

00:02:06.520 Those are just some of the accomplishments, you know, in his 17-year military history.

00:02:13.360 Even in his post-military career, he's a certified Chuck Norris.

00:02:18.920 He just got back from Afghanistan, where he aided non-governmental organizations in rescuing Americans.

00:02:25.140 In a recent interview, he said it was a landscape and a battlefield that was something I had never experienced before.

00:02:33.560 It was absolute mayhem.

00:02:35.900 He's the perfect example of what Americans can become.

00:02:40.360 He is one of the more optimistic guys I have talked to in a long time.

00:02:44.860 So, next time a frail, self-proclaimed communist brags about the coming revolution, find comfort in the fact that he and Americans like him will be the first ones to defend freedom.

00:02:59.300 Today, we have Tim Kennedy.

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00:04:39.960 I want to start with a tweet that you gave, because this is, I remember when we went into

00:04:46.260 Afghanistan, no, Iraq, I had worked with a Vietnam vet when I was young, and he was really proud of his service,

00:05:01.140 and he was very good at what, he was an elite, an elite troop.

00:05:07.780 And he was very proud at what he did, and he was good at what he did.

00:05:12.720 And he came home, and he said, the first thing somebody said when he was applying for a job, he said,

00:05:19.340 they said, what have you been doing lately?

00:05:20.460 He said, I've been in Vietnam.

00:05:21.880 And they said, oh, I'm sorry for that.

00:05:23.680 And he said, I'm not.

00:05:24.640 And he spiraled out of control.

00:05:28.800 And I remember feeling, I don't ever want to be a part of a generation that treats our service personnel like this.

00:05:38.260 If we're going to go in, let's support them.

00:05:41.440 And I think we've done a better job, but now with Afghanistan, you just tweeted something.

00:05:49.700 We had to do an emergency mission for a veteran who attempted suicide because he didn't get his interpreter out.

00:05:56.620 We, the country, has betrayed so many people.

00:06:02.160 How can the average citizen, what do we do when we know a service personnel that was over there and going through trouble,

00:06:09.280 but we can't, we're not going through what they're going through.

00:06:12.900 What do we do?

00:06:15.180 Yeah, first be available.

00:06:17.200 You know, that's a, it's a hard thing to, in an era of social media and, you know, distance contact.

00:06:28.300 And, you know, right now we're doing an over Skype interview.

00:06:33.160 You know, it's hard to actually connect to people and give them the recognition, appreciation, and value that they deserve for some of the things that they've done.

00:06:45.260 And the things that they've done feel really weird right now.

00:06:49.000 You know, the Afghan OEF war veterans, you know, was their sacrifice, was the suffering, the blood, the pain, the violence, was that for no reason at all?

00:07:01.000 Well, of course there was a reason for it and there was value to it and there, and all of their sacrifice had meaning.

00:07:05.980 But right now it's just in this really weird position.

00:07:08.440 So what do we do?

00:07:09.920 You have to be available.

00:07:11.260 You know, you have to be there.

00:07:12.640 You have to be reaching out.

00:07:13.720 You have to be connecting.

00:07:14.480 You have to be hanging out, personal contact, you know, all the regular coping mechanisms that humans need, not distance, to be able to let them talk and let them express.

00:07:25.900 You know, maybe they don't need to talk.

00:07:26.920 Maybe they just need to be there and know that they're valued for, not for what they did, but just for who they are.

00:07:33.860 And then everything else is the healing will be a byproduct of time and I think realization of all of the good that we did.

00:07:42.680 So does it sound, does it sound, excuse me, I'm coming, I'm going to come at you from a couple of different angles on, you're a man's man. 0.61

00:07:51.300 I am, I mean, I'm a wuss.

00:07:54.700 I like Broadway shows.

00:07:56.680 I mean, I'm, you know, I've never fought in my life.

00:07:59.440 I think in third grade I had a fight.

00:08:01.460 So, excuse me, I barely have a man card, but I still have it.

00:08:07.240 But, so let me ask, does it seem, because I've been really trying to get my hands and arms around what's happening in Afghanistan and what has it been worth, but there were 20 years where girls and women were taught, you can't, this is who you should be. 0.84

00:08:26.820 This is who you can be and that may be lost now, but I don't think that's, I think that's a seed that was planted deeply.

00:08:38.340 Is that enough for all of this?

00:08:41.140 I mean, freedom is, once that seed's planted, you know, in 1775, you know, as the British were colonizing us and, you know, overreaching in every single regard, a little bit of a taste of freedom where people learned that they could do their own thing and live the life that they wanted to, that women could go to school, that women could be teachers, that women could be engineers.

00:09:08.280 You know, like, I am, I'm a feminist, you know, I love everything about the new kind of progressive women movements.

00:09:18.680 My wife is a brilliant MBA, finance and economics major and seen Afghanistan 15 years ago and then seen Afghanistan three years ago where there were women shop owners, there were women teachers. 1.00

00:09:33.160 You know, you know, when I went there, there were guys writing down with scooters and throw it, throwing acid on little girls trying to walk to school.

00:09:41.160 Now there were schools completely dedicated to young girls learning to read and to write, you know, like walking through our humanitarian camp.

00:09:51.300 Most women spoke multiple languages.

00:09:53.300 Now that didn't happen 15 years ago.

00:09:55.840 That wasn't even an option.

00:09:56.940 So those, those are contagious freedoms, a contagious thing.

00:10:01.220 And, um, so is it enough?

00:10:04.260 I I've been using this metaphor of a doctor, a doctor that had a patient and that patient had cancer.

00:10:11.280 And, uh, for 20 years, that patient was treated by this doctor and the doctor kept cancer at bay through a variety of methods.

00:10:19.460 And over 20 years, you know, in his old age, the, the patient finally dies, but that didn't mean that that doctor didn't do a lot of good in that time.

00:10:28.780 And while that pipe, that patient may have transpired, may have passed all of the positive things that happened from that person still being alive for 20 years.

00:10:37.900 And that's how I'm viewing this Afghanistan situation where yes, 20 years later, this war might have been lost, but we did a lot of good.

00:10:45.780 And more importantly, the good that was done, it's a ripple effect, a butterfly effect.

00:10:50.060 I know girls learned how to read. 1.00

00:10:51.920 I know plenty of are now pilots and engineers and shop owners and entrepreneurs and, um, translators.

00:10:58.840 So like, you know, you, you can't stop that train once it starts going. 0.97

00:11:02.320 I don't care if you're the Taliban and you're a bunch of gangster thugs. 0.97

00:11:05.260 Once that train starts going, you know, it's a hard thing to stop. 0.98

00:11:09.720 Yeah.

00:11:10.380 Um, I, cause I do think you're right on this.

00:11:12.340 I think this is a really exciting time.

00:11:15.240 I feel horrible for the girls who never knew it any other way.

00:11:20.640 Yeah.

00:11:20.820 Their moms may have, but they didn't.

00:11:23.360 And now they're, you know, 17 years old and you're like, wait a minute, what, what's, what's happening.

00:11:28.140 Um, it's one thing to read about it, hear about it from the past and then experience it.

00:11:33.540 Um, and, uh, my heart goes out to, uh, my heart goes out to them.

00:11:38.080 Um, let's stay on Afghanistan for a little while before we move into some other things.

00:11:43.840 Um, the, um, you're, you're involved with Chad, uh, Robichaux, uh, and Mighty Oaks and the

00:11:52.480 save our, our coalition or save our allies coalition.

00:11:56.200 You guys have been in rescuing people.

00:11:59.040 I know we've talked before and you said, I'm just, I was just an armchair guy, you know,

00:12:03.560 um, but you are deeply involved in this.

00:12:06.680 Can you tell me a little bit of what you guys are doing?

00:12:09.960 Yeah.

00:12:10.640 Um, so save our allies coalition was put up between two different nonprofits, the Mighty

00:12:14.880 Oaks foundation and, um, the independence fund.

00:12:17.960 And I had been struggling with going to Afghanistan since, you know, the, the writing was on the

00:12:24.040 wall.

00:12:24.360 The moment that president Biden announced that we're going to be moving out myself and

00:12:28.280 all of my colleagues knew what was going to happen.

00:12:29.920 It was going to happen very quickly.

00:12:30.940 So we are already looking at ways of getting back into the country.

00:12:34.780 And, um, it wasn't until Sarah Verado and Chad Robichaux, two people that I, that I respect

00:12:40.860 highly coming from two great organizations.

00:12:43.280 They both called me within 24 hours and said, Hey, we have these, a few hundred orphan girls

00:12:48.660 and, um, Chad, my, my translator is stuck there.

00:12:52.200 He's going to be executed. 0.94

00:12:53.460 And all of these orphan girls are going to be, uh, executed. 0.99

00:12:58.240 I mean, that might be the best thing that would happen to them.

00:13:00.940 Can you come and help us?

00:13:02.400 So for the first time, there was a reason there's a purpose.

00:13:05.540 And, uh, it wasn't like, let's go be rad, do commando stuff.

00:13:09.900 Here is your mission.

00:13:11.000 Here's the end state.

00:13:11.880 Here's the support.

00:13:12.840 This is what we want you to do.

00:13:14.240 So I became part of a four man task force that went onto the ground to Kabul.

00:13:17.800 We had two separate elements, one in, uh, Washington DC and one Ford in the UAE.

00:13:23.620 That was going to be our host and partner nation to help people get it, to help us get people

00:13:28.380 out.

00:13:28.620 Um, we had a very complex team coming from the most elite special operations units on

00:13:35.220 the planet.

00:13:35.720 The four of us that were on the ground.

00:13:37.500 Um, I, I, this was not the Tim show.

00:13:39.700 I was working for Sean Gabler.

00:13:42.580 He was our team leader on the ground and he just exhibited extraordinary professionalism.

00:13:47.880 He is a master of his craft.

00:13:49.400 He has been doing a personnel recovery his entire life.

00:13:53.160 He came from special operations.

00:13:54.860 There was another SF guy.

00:13:56.420 Uh, there were two other SF guys that comprised of the four man team.

00:13:59.220 Um, so the 12 guys that were in UAE, they were receiving intelligence from DC to put together

00:14:08.540 our target, target packages of who we're going to go and recover.

00:14:11.360 Uh, and then we had a very complex bona fides vetting process to confirm that we're getting

00:14:15.880 the right people.

00:14:16.580 And then ultimately it was getting air, getting ramps, finding the people, smuggling them through

00:14:22.580 the Taliban and American lines, and then putting them on our planes and some of your planes and, 0.74

00:14:28.720 uh, getting them out.

00:14:29.740 Can you tell me a little bit, uh, can you, can you tell me a little bit about, uh, cause

00:14:36.240 I've heard this from a couple of people about the sewage tunnels.

00:14:40.740 Um, can you, can you talk about that?

00:14:44.220 The rat, what do you call it?

00:14:45.460 The rat hole escape or something like that?

00:14:49.740 A rat line, a rat line is it's a term that's been around for a long time.

00:14:53.420 The Nazis, yeah.

00:14:54.360 Nazis used rat lines to smuggle out guys.

00:14:56.800 Um, you know, the Russians and Americans are coming in. 0.94

00:14:58.720 There are rat lines by the Vietnamese, by the Viet Cong, you know, a rat line is just a 0.91

00:15:04.140 line that goes behind enemy lines, whether it's a supply line or an evacuation line.

00:15:09.160 In our case, it was a human evacuation line.

00:15:12.580 Um, we had rat lines all over the whole entire base of the airport in Kabul and, um, the, the

00:15:20.840 one at Abbey gate, which is what you're referring to.

00:15:22.940 There was a culvert that was just adjacent to the main gate.

00:15:25.820 Um, it was for the culvert.

00:15:28.540 If you think of like a canal in California, like the California, it was just a big cement

00:15:33.920 drainage ditch.

00:15:35.240 And, uh, sometimes it was sewage.

00:15:37.020 Sometimes it was water, uh, during, um, I, I've been there during the spring and the

00:15:43.500 snow melt, all the water from the snow melt would be running through this culvert.

00:15:46.920 But what it did was it circumvented one of the gates, the Abbey gate, and we raised the

00:15:52.280 concertina wire and propped it up on plywood.

00:15:54.940 So you could go through this culvert drain and not get stuck in the concertina wire.

00:15:58.740 So we were able to smuggle in hundreds of people in a really short amount of time as

00:16:03.360 they could just walk up this, um, cement culvert.

00:16:07.860 And, uh, obviously the Taliban learned that this was one of our rat lines.

00:16:12.320 And that was one of, that was the place that they bombed.

00:16:14.540 It was one of many places that they attacked, but it was the place that ultimately they,

00:16:18.500 uh, they went and blew up and killed those heroic Marines.

00:16:22.800 How is the, um, I mean, I have to, I have to say that the military is unbelievable.

00:16:29.160 It is so important that we have a military that is run by civilians, but man, when you have 0.57

00:16:35.420 a military run by civilians, it can go this bad because they don't have a, they don't know 0.99

00:16:40.580 their ass from their elbow. 0.91

00:16:42.260 Um, uh, and if they don't let the military do their job, um, and clearly define what that 0.99

00:16:50.420 job is, we run into these kinds of problems.

00:16:54.000 But I will tell you, I'm impressed that these were all lawful orders.

00:17:00.760 They were awful, but they were lawful and nobody, I mean, I got to believe that those

00:17:07.620 Marines and everybody else on the ground were just dying inside because they knew they could 0.68

00:17:12.260 help.

00:17:12.620 They knew they did.

00:17:13.520 It didn't have to be this way.

00:17:14.800 And yet they didn't, they stood the line, which is remarkable.

00:17:21.160 Yeah.

00:17:21.840 Um, the Marines that were at the Abbey gate when the bomb went off, uh, they, there, there

00:17:25.600 was very, very good intelligence that there was a bomb coming and it was coming to that

00:17:30.720 place.

00:17:31.220 Right.

00:17:31.700 So you were talking about heroes.

00:17:33.160 Not only were they in Kabul in Afghanistan during the withdrawal, which is extraordinary.

00:17:37.300 Think about being in Saigon, Saigon in 1975.

00:17:39.720 The fact that they were on the ground is beyond heroic and you know, I can get goosebumps just

00:17:46.080 thinking about it.

00:17:46.720 This isn't running towards the sound of gunfire because you know, the evil's there.

00:17:49.620 You're going to a spot where, you know, a bomb is coming and you're waiting.

00:17:53.480 You don't know what that's going to look like.

00:17:54.680 It might be surrounded by a hundred women and children, but you are going to be the one thing 1.00

00:17:59.020 that stops evil, you know, health, fury, chaos, anarchy, pain, and suffering.

00:18:03.740 You're the stop gap between that and everything else behind you, which is people on planes

00:18:09.040 trying to fight for their lives with absolute despair.

00:18:11.820 And that's what those Marines did that day.

00:18:13.680 You know, the level of heroism, when you think about those, those young, they're, they're

00:18:18.000 babies.

00:18:18.920 Like there's a picture of that beautiful young woman holding that Afghan child.

00:18:23.700 You know, she died in that gate that day and about the Testament to who those people 0.97

00:18:28.440 were, who those Marines were and the sacrifice that they made.

00:18:30.800 They knew a bomb was coming and they were there.

00:18:34.660 The, the Taliban, they, they, the white houses said that this was ISIS, but please describe

00:18:42.420 the, I mean, I think we, we set people up, we put them in a kill box, you know, surrounded 0.87

00:18:48.840 by bad guys.

00:18:50.520 But there were three checkpoints that the Taliban had, and it was an extraordinarily large suicide

00:18:56.820 vest.

00:18:57.920 Did they somehow just miss that?

00:19:01.760 Do you, do you know what I'm talking about?

00:19:03.900 Yeah.

00:19:04.420 So you, you can't make a distinction between ISIS-K and Taliban.

00:19:06.960 These are the same organizations.

00:19:08.180 But the white house does.

00:19:09.600 The white house does.

00:19:11.160 I mean, I, I, I obviously, um, I was there as a volunteer for a nonprofit.

00:19:15.400 So my capacity in Kabul, this last time I was a hundred percent, just a volunteer working

00:19:19.760 for them, but I'm still in the, um, and so what the white house says and does when I'm

00:19:25.980 in official capacity, like I, I'm going to toe the line, but, uh, in, in real intelligence,

00:19:31.480 ISIS-K and Taliban, they're this, they're feathers, different feathers from the same 1.00

00:19:36.160 bird.

00:19:36.460 It's the same creature.

00:19:37.240 It's the same animal.

00:19:38.120 It's, it's the radical wing of the same movement.

00:19:40.520 And if you look at the people that are running ISIS-K, it's the exact same people that were, 0.78

00:19:44.880 um, leaders of the Taliban just a year or two ago.

00:19:48.340 So, um, it's not like these are different people that have changed or morphed their ideas.

00:19:53.020 Somehow the Taliban is now a political organization.

00:19:55.540 No, they're, they're just putting a face on to try and receive some support and funds to,

00:20:00.120 you know, to get lists about who are they're allowed to go and kill.

00:20:02.360 And then they can blame it on, on ISIS-K. 0.56

00:20:04.380 But to be super, super clear, ISIS-K and Taliban are the exact same organization.

00:20:09.260 So to think that the Taliban stopped an ISIS-K bomber, um, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's 0.95

00:20:18.340 insulting to the lives of the, of the, the service members that died that way.

00:20:23.120 Um, ISIS-K and Taliban sent in a bomber.

00:20:26.540 They blew up the Abbey Gate, killed a bunch of Marines.

00:20:29.900 That, that, that's what happened.

00:20:31.620 Was there any reason to leave all of this stuff behind the 33 Blackhawks?

00:20:39.400 The, I mean, I know I live in a cartoon world, but there should be a self-destruct button on

00:20:44.800 some of these things, or we should have bombed them.

00:20:47.020 If we knew we were going to leave them or that, that, that the Afghan army stopped using

00:20:53.760 them and ran away.

00:20:54.860 I don't know why we didn't destroy them.

00:20:57.280 We destroyed the vast majority of them.

00:21:01.340 You know, everybody's toting this $85 billion of military equipment that was left behind.

00:21:05.740 Um, we laid out, we, um, the military that was on the ground, not me, the, our American

00:21:11.740 counterparts laid out arms on the ground and they rolled them over with dozers.

00:21:16.340 Um, you know, they, they, they put water and sugar inside of gas tanks.

00:21:20.720 They, you know, they put C4 on important mechanisms inside of helicopters.

00:21:26.160 So none of those aircraft that were left in Kabul are, are, are going to function.

00:21:31.680 Um, I, I thought it was hilarious.

00:21:33.620 I saw an article this morning how the Taliban was infuriated that most of the aircraft left

00:21:40.300 at Kabul airport were not functional and that those were actually long to the Afghan people

00:21:46.280 and that they're, that they're furious that those things weren't left in functioning order.

00:21:50.480 And I, I, I got a kick out of that.

00:21:52.120 Um, there is a great debate that, uh, this is expected at the end of war.

00:21:59.520 This is the way you end wars.

00:22:02.020 Uh, I can't think of any other war that America has fought, even Vietnam that has ended this

00:22:09.560 way.

00:22:09.920 Is there any, as just looking at pure history, is there anything to compare to this?

00:22:15.760 Um, no, um, I mean, I, I've been in working in special operations for 17 years.

00:22:22.660 I've never seen anything like this in my life and, um, you know, I've worked for the history

00:22:27.180 channel.

00:22:27.800 I, I am a studier of history because I believe it's, it, it predicts what's going to happen

00:22:33.140 in the future.

00:22:33.840 So I, I love history in that regard.

00:22:36.700 And, um, this is unprecedented, but the way that we withdrew from Afghanistan was unique.

00:22:44.140 Um, we have not previously done anything like this in our country's history.

00:22:49.440 And, um, and I, I think it will be a great learning lesson moving forward about how not

00:22:54.940 to do things.

00:22:56.120 Um, but, uh, you know, this is, this is not how wars are won, how they're fought or how

00:23:01.620 they end.

00:23:02.240 This is, this was hard.

00:23:04.260 So there was a, um, there was a, a story that came out today that the white house is

00:23:10.680 considering another withdrawal in, uh, Iraq.

00:23:17.120 And normally I would, you know, I, I'm, I, I don't want to be fighting wars all over the

00:23:22.840 world, but I don't mind leaving forces around to stop bad guys from doing bad things.

00:23:27.820 Um, but I just don't want to be the world's policeman.

00:23:30.800 Um, but it scares the hell out of me knowing that the people that are currently in the

00:23:36.800 administration were the ones that dropped a pallet full of cash onto the Iranian air

00:23:42.060 tarmac.

00:23:43.360 Um, we have Afghanistan.

00:23:46.040 If, if we leave Iraq, isn't that a clear path from China all the way to the Mediterranean 0.88

00:23:55.460 and a really easy caliphate to be produced there?

00:24:02.940 Yeah.

00:24:03.700 Um, 1945 was a really long time ago.

00:24:08.260 Uh, we're still in Germany and we're still in Japan.

00:24:11.020 We have a larger presence in both of those countries than we do in Iraq or Afghanistan during

00:24:15.880 our time of global war on terror.

00:24:17.740 I don't know where the messaging got crossed, where our troops being in those countries for

00:24:27.700 a prolonged period of time was perceived as a bad thing.

00:24:31.620 Should we be over there fighting a war?

00:24:33.280 No.

00:24:33.900 You know, was I anxious to leave Afghanistan?

00:24:36.300 Yes.

00:24:37.160 Um, do, are we needed in a large presence in Iraq?

00:24:41.080 Probably not.

00:24:42.020 But on like a national strategic level, um, having bases, forward operating bases that,

00:24:48.660 that give us a foothold and are able to prevent our enemies and China and Russia are our enemies

00:24:53.980 right now.

00:24:54.480 And that we are in a degree of warfare with both of them, having Iraq and Afghanistan and 1.00

00:25:00.800 having a footprint in both of those is, is a priceless value.

00:25:06.060 Absolutely crucial.

00:25:06.980 So, um, I am, I am not in the Pentagon.

00:25:09.800 I, I do not dictate strategic policy, but, um, I, I definitely don't want China or Russia 0.98

00:25:17.440 to have a direct shot to the Mediterranean through, um, you know, Albania, Romania, all

00:25:23.640 the way down into Greece, uh, just because we are going to cave to political talking points

00:25:29.140 of not wanting to be someplace.

00:25:31.760 Is anybody going to be held responsible for this in the Pentagon?

00:25:34.420 I mean, is it, uh, I mean, it seems like in today's world, no one ever pays a price.

00:25:40.920 No one ever pays a price.

00:25:41.980 And so when you do that, that's like the bailouts from the banks.

00:25:44.740 Well, they learned, oh, there's no cost to my, my mistakes.

00:25:49.400 Um, is anybody going to pay a price?

00:25:51.340 Is anybody's feet going to be held to the fire on this?

00:25:55.640 Well, let's not forget that we were a country of laws, but we're also a country where the

00:26:01.520 people have the power, um, there are 13 fathers and there's 13 mothers and, uh, there's 13

00:26:08.180 brothers and sisters and husbands and wives of those Marines that just died.

00:26:12.860 Um, you want to talk about compelling, powerful voice, those voices right now, demanding answers

00:26:17.940 about why their children died in Afghanistan.

00:26:21.700 Um, you know, that that's the power of the people.

00:26:24.160 We, we have the power to talk to our representatives.

00:26:28.000 Like we are their constituents, they are representatives of us.

00:26:32.060 So you can pick up the phone and you can call them and say, I demand answers of what this,

00:26:35.680 what this is and what this was.

00:26:37.280 And, um, only through the proper legal channels do I think that the consequences for that,

00:26:46.160 but the pressure has to be put on.

00:26:47.600 Um, I'm, I'm, we, you know, you, as you know, we save our close, our, our allies and

00:26:54.440 that coalition.

00:26:54.980 Uh, we don't have time right now to focus on anything else besides saving lives.

00:26:58.840 I'm not looking to go and save some cat dogs.

00:27:01.120 We're trying to save people right now and, um, and prevent further loss of life.

00:27:05.980 So here's why I asked that question.

00:27:07.140 And I think it's why you just said in every legal way, um, I, I'm with you.

00:27:12.340 I, I am very afraid, you know, this, this country, um, the left has tried to paint everybody

00:27:19.540 who disagrees with them as a radical extremist to terrorist even.

00:27:22.860 Um, and you know, there are, if, if there isn't pressure relieved in some way or another,

00:27:31.580 somebody's going to do some on all sides, it doesn't matter. 1.00

00:27:35.820 Somebody's going to do something stupid. 0.99

00:27:38.160 And if that happens, we, we could transform into a very different country. 0.98

00:27:44.960 And so I guess what I'm kind of asking you, and, and, and it's also goes back in some ways

00:27:51.660 to the first question I asked you, what can we do?

00:27:55.060 Because we don't want there's, we are split. 0.57

00:28:00.720 We're split as a nation right now.

00:28:03.120 And we have to find that bridge back to each other.

00:28:08.240 So how, how do we do it?

00:28:11.300 Afghanistan's not that bridge, you know, that they're, that, um, women in Afghanistan are 1.00

00:28:17.320 not going to be able to have jobs.

00:28:19.060 Women in Afghanistan are not going to be able to learn. 1.00

00:28:21.900 Little girls are not going to be able to go to school. 1.00

00:28:24.920 I think that is our bridge.

00:28:26.680 I think that's a great bridge.

00:28:28.300 Yeah.

00:28:29.100 Yeah.

00:28:29.820 Like, um, if there's somebody on the far left, okay.

00:28:32.220 Hey, do you want girls to be able to go to school? 1.00

00:28:34.340 Cool.

00:28:34.780 We agree on that.

00:28:35.700 Me, do you think that, that our Marines should be dying over there as they're sacrificing

00:28:40.240 their lives, trying to get the women that learned how to read and went to school and 0.96

00:28:44.260 became entrepreneurs out of that country.

00:28:46.260 So they're not murdered by the Taliban.

00:28:47.980 Fantastic.

00:28:48.820 Yeah.

00:28:49.060 Another thing that we agree on.

00:28:50.620 Cool.

00:28:51.180 Now, what should we do moving forward?

00:28:53.340 Do you think that people should be held accountable and responsible for what happened over there?

00:28:57.900 Fantastic.

00:28:58.480 Yeah.

00:28:58.620 Again, another thing that we agree on.

00:28:59.940 Now let's come together and try and find solutions to prevent this from ever happening

00:29:04.640 again and make sure that people that made it happen are held accountable for the bad

00:29:08.300 decisions that they made.

00:29:10.060 What do you think of the, uh, Marine Colonel that, uh, that, uh, resigned his commission,

00:29:17.600 uh, because he just was asking for accountability.

00:29:21.560 Yeah.

00:29:23.920 Um, wearing the uniform is a great responsibility.

00:29:26.540 And with that responsibility, uh, comes some restrictions and limitations, you know,

00:29:32.040 as, as you, you've asked some questions that I have skirted, um, that's the, the response.

00:29:39.640 We, we have a bigger responsibility and that's having the flag on our shoulder.

00:29:42.980 And, um, you know, we have a chain of command and there's, there are clear communication pathways

00:29:48.280 that are vertical and how we for our chain of command.

00:29:51.500 Um, so if I have a grievance about something, I can be a whistleblower.

00:29:54.680 I have that authority to be able to say, there's a problem here.

00:29:57.720 Let me go through the whistleblower process, or let me go through my chain of command and

00:30:02.400 try and fix it.

00:30:03.100 Um, I have a huge social media presence, you know, like I could say things on there that

00:30:08.540 could flip some of these issues on their ear.

00:30:12.680 I stay positive.

00:30:13.800 I, I stay purposed to try to make positive change.

00:30:20.000 Um, and, and also not get fired, you know, a really gentle line.

00:30:27.320 I have to walk all the time.

00:30:28.900 And, uh, you know, sometimes I misstep slightly and I get corrected and I get a great

00:30:33.080 people that, that helped me with that.

00:30:35.100 Um, but, uh, man, it's, it is really hard to wear the uniform, the first amendment and

00:30:40.740 the uniform.

00:30:41.600 Uh, it's, it's ironic that we swore.

00:30:44.100 Yeah.

00:30:44.620 I mean, they'd have to, but we swore to protect the constitution to include the first amendment,

00:30:49.020 but how our right to express, uh,

00:30:52.360 So was his problem, was his problem that he didn't resign first because he said, I I've

00:30:59.540 seen others do it the other way where they did it within the system.

00:31:03.180 And he said, it never affects change.

00:31:07.300 He's right.

00:31:08.120 It's, it's a really, the military is a big bureaucratic process.

00:31:12.380 And like the Titanic, you would have had to turn that helm miles and miles back, not to

00:31:18.200 hit that, that iceberg.

00:31:20.860 Um, it's, it's the same in that regard where it feels like changes aren't made, but changes

00:31:28.820 can be made within the system.

00:31:30.740 Um, I've personally seen great changes happen.

00:31:33.900 You know, we, we, we, we've struggled with, um, sexual harassment within military for a

00:31:40.380 really long time.

00:31:41.520 And, you know, just in my military career, seeing going from don't ask, don't tell to,

00:31:47.260 um, like, let's not even pretend it exists to, okay, now everybody's welcome to, we're

00:31:53.300 an inclusive military to now directly talking about how to prevent sexual harassment in

00:31:58.620 any way, shape and form.

00:31:59.820 Um, these, these are really great changes that happened just in the time that I have

00:32:03.980 been in the military.

00:32:05.320 Um, you know, where you think, see things like the young woman that was killed in Fort

00:32:09.980 hood, um, that had a long, that had years of sexual assault in her military career. 1.00

00:32:15.840 Like how, how do we prevent those things?

00:32:17.440 Well, we're seeing good things happen within the chain of command and through the legal process.

00:32:23.340 Um, that doesn't mean that you can't, we're also a, a people of rebels.

00:32:29.620 Right.

00:32:30.040 Like you're a rebel, I'm a rebel.

00:32:31.780 My, uh, and I think we have a great heritage of being rebels.

00:32:35.140 And if there were a cause, I joke sometimes with my command that don't put me on a hill

00:32:41.100 that is worth dying on, um, because I'll die on that hill.

00:32:46.060 You know, like I will happily flush my career in the toilet if it's the right problem and I

00:32:50.640 can't fix it through the normal channels, but I still have faith in the system.

00:32:54.100 Um, and I, I work for some really incredible people that I have a lot of faith in.

00:32:57.840 How can this, their army and military be such a behemoth and bureaucratic nightmare?

00:33:04.200 And yet it seems to be the only thing really that works well.

00:33:10.100 Is it the, is it the people down at the bottom?

00:33:13.700 Is it, yeah, that they just have a different attitude.

00:33:17.780 They believe in something.

00:33:20.040 Yeah, that's, it's really intuitive and perceptive of you to it.

00:33:23.400 The belief is the big part, right?

00:33:25.220 That there was a belief in a young boy or a young girl that walked into recruiter's office

00:33:30.280 and said, I want to do this.

00:33:33.640 I'm like this, all volunteer military, every, every one of those Marines that died on that

00:33:38.080 wall at the Abbey gate, they volunteered to be there.

00:33:41.400 And, and that, that, that thing that compels somebody to service is a very powerful thing.

00:33:47.080 That's, that is first a characteristic in a person.

00:33:50.680 Now we have millions of those people that we kind of shape and create into, and we, we morph

00:33:56.920 them into what we need them to be in the military, which is people that can contribute with a

00:34:01.500 servant's heart and to lead and to, and to believe that in the greater good and knowing

00:34:06.920 that their sacrifices has, that's a powerful thing.

00:34:10.260 Can that, because I think that, you know, there is something about the people that serve,

00:34:18.500 they, and not, this is not universally true, just like not every cop is bad or every cop

00:34:23.520 is good.

00:34:23.960 We have bad eggs and, and, and everything.

00:34:26.040 Um, but generally speaking, it seems as though they are, they believe in something honorable

00:34:37.680 and they believe the mission is honorable.

00:34:41.560 And, you know, the few, the proud, the Marines, those kinds of things that we were raised in

00:34:47.620 and steeped in helps select those people that you're not going in for, you know, adventure

00:34:56.460 and glory.

00:34:57.220 You're going there, uh, to do something noble.

00:35:01.340 And now that may be just an idealistic look at things, but I think that's the way a lot

00:35:06.940 of people in the military feel or have felt when they got into it.

00:35:11.960 Can that, when they got, when they got to, when they got it, yeah, that goes away.

00:35:18.440 No, no.

00:35:19.440 I mean, um, it's always there, you know, like there, even now I'm two years away from retirement

00:35:24.780 and there's like a string in my heart that's, um, that will always compel me into that service.

00:35:30.080 You know, like I don't need the military, you know, like I'm a successful entrepreneur

00:35:34.200 with seven businesses, but man, you're going to have to fight.

00:35:37.720 You're going to have to kick me out.

00:35:38.780 Cause I, I can't leave this amazing organization and all of the good that they do all over the world.

00:35:45.040 Um, okay.

00:35:46.120 So let me, let me pivot here on, you are a very successful guy.

00:35:52.200 You are one of those people that people like me hate.

00:35:55.380 You make us look bad. 0.95

00:35:56.640 Um, you know, cause I look, I look at, I'm like, I am such a slug.

00:36:00.400 I am such a slug, seven successful businesses, uh, obviously very successful military career.

00:36:08.880 Um, you're in MMA, which I want to get into.

00:36:12.260 What is it, uh, what is it, what is this?

00:36:18.280 I think it's something uniquely American, but what is it in you that is driving you that drives you like this?

00:36:26.920 Um, so in the center, my, my, uh, my executive, I actually just got worked working out with Justin,

00:36:34.720 my CEO of and CEO of a couple of our businesses.

00:36:37.340 And we're talking about has anything shifted about what our purpose is.

00:36:43.040 So we have this Venn diagram in, in our office and in the center of it is my purpose for being on earth.

00:36:49.620 It's the reason that God made me, which is, and, um, to preserve and protect human life and to expand freedom.

00:36:56.480 Wow.

00:36:56.880 And, uh, and I think you're a hundred percent spot on when you said it's, it's uniquely American.

00:37:01.820 And that is a very American thing to preserve and protect human life and to expand freedom.

00:37:06.620 And, um, I know that, that I love Jesus.

00:37:11.420 And I, and when, when, when he made me, I'm not a special mold.

00:37:14.800 There are millions of other people that have that exact same mold that have those exact same

00:37:18.500 is into the core of who they are.

00:37:20.360 That is the reason that they're here.

00:37:22.260 And, um, and it's the same for me.

00:37:24.580 So everything that I do, whether it's my businesses or fighting or going, hopping as a volunteer

00:37:31.440 for a nonprofit on an airplane into Kabul in the middle of the night, 36 hours after

00:37:35.760 I get the call, it still has to connect to the sole reason in the center of that Venn

00:37:40.580 diagram of why I'm on this planet, the purpose of my, of me being here.

00:37:45.140 And, um, and if it connects, then I do it.

00:37:47.600 If it doesn't, then I don't.

00:37:48.640 And then the next question is, how can I, if that's my mission, how can I expand that

00:37:56.740 mission?

00:37:57.380 You know, like if I'm going on a TV show or if I'm going to get on this podcast with

00:38:00.600 you, um, I think you and I both agree that us talking about these things expands that

00:38:05.380 mission.

00:38:05.680 You have a massive audience.

00:38:06.640 You have, you, you have donated and I don't know if I'll just go and throw you under the

00:38:11.880 bus here.

00:38:12.360 Thank you for your generosity.

00:38:13.760 And you have saved countless lives.

00:38:15.800 The planes that you sent in and the financial support that you sent to, to save our allies

00:38:20.520 coalition.

00:38:21.120 I can send you pictures today, Glenn, of babies that were born in the humanitarian center that

00:38:25.680 would not have been alive.

00:38:26.640 Had you not helped.

00:38:27.900 Would you please send those to me?

00:38:29.920 I want to share those with the audience.

00:38:32.240 Please send those to me.

00:38:34.700 It's a brand new baby that was born today in our humanitarian center.

00:38:38.620 And his dad was a translator and he would have been murdered in Afghanistan five days ago. 1.00

00:38:43.960 Had we not got him out.

00:38:44.980 Wow.

00:38:45.980 Amazing.

00:38:46.640 Know that.

00:38:48.080 So, so that to answer your wrong way, that's the reason why.

00:38:51.280 Okay.

00:38:52.080 So now, and I'm sorry, I, I grew up in, you know, the Muhammad Ali era, uh, you know,

00:39:00.340 George Foreman and, and boxing, which my mother used to say, it's such a brutal sport.

00:39:07.320 I never thought so.

00:39:08.500 I thought it was great.

00:39:09.320 Now, MMA, while it's not the most brutal of sports, how does that, what was it, rescue

00:39:19.540 lives and expand freedom?

00:39:22.560 I mean, where is that?

00:39:26.240 Yeah.

00:39:26.880 Um, the skills of being like a special forces guy and being a fighter, I argue that you could

00:39:34.320 walk into a lot of special forces ODAs and randomly grab a guy off the A team and throw

00:39:40.280 him in the octagon and he would fight at a very, very high level.

00:39:43.220 Um, so, and vice versa, a lot of fighters have a lot of great characteristics that would

00:39:49.340 make them a value on a SF ODA.

00:39:51.360 Um, so that overlap of those kinds of connected bubbles made it, I'm fighting while I'm in

00:39:58.520 special forces.

00:39:59.560 So I'm training.

00:40:00.920 And then you might have the greatest product in the world.

00:40:04.640 You might have the greatest idea in the world, but ultimately you still have to get it out

00:40:07.860 to the masses.

00:40:09.140 And, uh, and fighting was a means to the end in that regard where, you know, an opportunity

00:40:15.500 to get in front of millions of people and to, to spread the gospel of, of my ideas, which

00:40:22.340 I don't own, right?

00:40:23.220 Freedom is not a Tim Kennedy.

00:40:24.660 Yeah.

00:40:25.340 Yeah.

00:40:25.640 But it put it in my face, you know, that I could, that I could talk about these ideas.

00:40:30.320 And you thought, um, having people kick you in the face was the, was the, would give me

00:40:38.940 that opportunity.

00:40:39.860 Uh, unfortunately I was a two time runner up.

00:40:42.120 I fought for the world title twice.

00:40:43.420 And I'm at two time, uh, all right.

00:40:47.760 Can I, let me just explore this with you just for a second more, um, on two things.

00:40:53.220 And they both happen to revolve around women.

00:40:56.640 Uh, I know so many guys that feel this way and, but we're all wusses.

00:41:01.860 We're all couch potatoes.

00:41:03.500 Um, just can't stand watching women just beating each other up. 1.00

00:41:08.980 Can you help me with that one?

00:41:11.740 Yeah.

00:41:12.220 I, uh, I know it's sexist, I guess, I guess it's sexist to say, I just, I don't, I, I see

00:41:18.960 a guy hit a woman.

00:41:20.500 It's bad.

00:41:21.360 It's less bad when a woman is hitting a woman, but to see them just kick the snot out of each 1.00

00:41:27.000 other.

00:41:27.480 Let me, let me say this.

00:41:28.280 Do you watch Yellowstone?

00:41:30.560 I do.

00:41:31.480 Okay.

00:41:31.700 Well, I've seen a couple of, I don't watch, I don't have TV.

00:41:34.800 I was on a flight.

00:41:35.860 So I, so there, there's a, there's one of my favorite episodes and this sounds horrible 0.99

00:41:40.240 is, uh, Beth is the woman and she's just, I mean, she will kick your ass six ways to 1.00

00:41:47.680 Sunday. 0.99

00:41:48.120 Don't get just, nobody messes with her.

00:41:50.380 She's a girl.

00:41:51.660 She's one of the greatest characters I think ever on television. 0.80

00:41:54.820 And there's this scene where she is brutally raped.

00:41:58.740 And I have to tell you, I've never seen, I know, listen, I know this sounds bad, but

00:42:03.680 I've never said I've seen a scene like that.

00:42:07.120 I've always skipped past it or turn away from it because it's always awful.

00:42:10.600 But this one, she's fighting back and she's like, really, that's the best you have.

00:42:15.940 And there is something about that, that my wife even said, I love her.

00:42:20.800 I love her.

00:42:23.680 Yeah.

00:42:24.160 But, um, the women in the octagon, um, they, they're most extraordinary athletes.

00:42:29.100 Uh, they, they have a true fighter spirit and, um, I, I've, I've been fortunate to,

00:42:34.500 uh, watch women's MMA go from, you know, kind of this taboo thing to they're the main 1.00

00:42:42.280 event.

00:42:43.060 Um, I think the women fighter are better than a lot. 1.00

00:42:45.940 A lot of the men fighters and the current women champions are, I would say pound for pound

00:42:50.600 in the running.

00:42:52.060 If you take gender out of it entirely, the, some of the women champions are just extraordinary

00:42:57.700 athletes.

00:42:58.480 And I don't know the difference between a woman marathoner to a man marathoner to a woman 0.99

00:43:03.060 fighter, to a man fighter, you know, like it's all the same to me.

00:43:05.860 It's like, if, if my daughter is going to be a president or if she wants to go fight, fly

00:43:10.020 a plane, or she wants to go be a professional fighter, uh, ultimately it's her. 0.81

00:43:14.560 Yeah.

00:43:15.040 Whatever she wants.

00:43:15.940 Okay.

00:43:16.400 So there is one thing that I have, uh, told both my son and my daughter.

00:43:21.080 You're not going to get your driver's license.

00:43:24.360 You're done.

00:43:25.540 I'm not even going to hear it unless you know how to defend yourself.

00:43:29.560 And so my son is getting his black belt.

00:43:32.760 Um, and my daughter hasn't really started and she's 15.

00:43:38.120 And I say, you have to, you have to know how to defend yourself.

00:43:43.280 What is the, she's, she's like, I, dad, I don't want to do all the, what is the best

00:43:49.100 thing that I could have her learn?

00:43:52.540 Um, send her to me. 0.99

00:43:53.780 Oh, I will.

00:43:59.340 Don't, don't think I won't.

00:44:01.560 All right.

00:44:02.640 Uh, one of the, one of my companies is sheepdog response and we're a defensive tactics, self

00:44:06.680 defense company.

00:44:07.860 And, um, in a three day course, obviously you don't learn how to defend and protect yourself

00:44:13.300 in three days.

00:44:14.000 But what you learn is you get, you get on a path of all that you learn what you need

00:44:18.580 to learn.

00:44:19.420 Um, you learn the basics of fighting.

00:44:21.260 You learn the basics of shooting.

00:44:22.500 You learn the basics of situational awareness.

00:44:24.540 You're like your daughter and I probably have a lot of different, uh, characteristics, right?

00:44:29.120 I'm a 220 pound, it's scarred up ogre and she's young, pretty and small arena. 1.00

00:44:35.160 Um, I don't walk out of a Walmart and worry if somebody is going to rape me. 0.70

00:44:40.360 Um, like I, I stepped out and I'm like, man, I wish somebody would try.

00:44:46.620 Um, so we have to have different tools and those tools, our minds have to work differently.

00:44:51.820 Um, you have, those are practice rehearsed tools that take a lot of time to develop situational

00:44:58.100 awareness.

00:44:58.680 Where do I park?

00:44:59.900 Like, how do I have my keys?

00:45:01.360 Am I using life?

00:45:02.660 Am I notifying my dad when I get out of the car?

00:45:05.460 Um, you know, does he let me, does he know that I'm walking out to the parking lot right

00:45:09.440 now?

00:45:09.540 There's a lot of different things that we can do in the 21st century that take, um, safety

00:45:13.860 to a new level, but, um, have to do them.

00:45:16.920 Like they are practice rehearsed things that, that are a skill and they're a perishable skill.

00:45:21.780 So I believe in the basics of fighting.

00:45:23.440 I believe in the basics of shooting and I believe in the basics of situational awareness for

00:45:27.200 both men and women.

00:45:28.420 And, um, and we have courses that built around that, but seriously, send her to me for, for 0.86

00:45:33.280 a weekend and we'll send.

00:45:34.600 Oh, I will.

00:45:35.780 I will.

00:45:36.420 Um, I I'll tell you, I've had, um, I've had protection now for gosh, 15 years.

00:45:42.720 Um, and my detail has gone from six people to two people at different times.

00:45:48.180 Um, and there is, you know, it's perishable skill.

00:45:52.160 I didn't realize how perishable any kind of situational awareness really is when you are constantly

00:46:03.060 shepherd, you know, somebody is a shepherd and they're moving you and they're looking

00:46:08.180 for things.

00:46:08.660 You're just allowed to think, have the conversations that you want.

00:46:12.220 You're not thinking about anything.

00:46:13.920 The first time that I said, guys, I don't, I don't need you this weekend.

00:46:18.420 We're fine.

00:46:19.120 See ya.

00:46:19.480 I went to the mall and I almost had like a panic attack because it all, I, I was doing

00:46:26.520 what everybody does every day, but it was gone.

00:46:29.760 And I don't think people understand how perishable that is and how built in that is with all

00:46:36.720 of us.

00:46:37.900 Yeah.

00:46:38.520 Um, I explained, you know, like your brain's a supercomputer and you have a certain amount

00:46:42.840 of bandwidth and the more efficient, more effective you are at that, the more that you're

00:46:48.700 allowed, the more able you are to process information and the more you're able to see.

00:46:53.800 Um, the first time a bomb ever went off on a door and I went into a shoot house to execute 0.69

00:46:59.460 a hostage rescue exercise.

00:47:01.440 I remember it felt as looking through a straw.

00:47:04.300 Like I was literally like trying to see what was happening in this house, looking through

00:47:08.360 a straw.

00:47:08.920 And then by the 200 or 400 thousandth time that I did it, I could see everything.

00:47:13.820 I could see the guys, the instructors on the catwalks.

00:47:16.140 I could hear the guy breathing next to me.

00:47:18.080 I could hear his finger move the selector from safe to fire.

00:47:21.480 I could hear and see everything.

00:47:23.100 It's the same with situational awareness, right?

00:47:25.320 The first time that like I went into a foreign country in a non-permissive environment and

00:47:29.960 I, I was just like so focused on, Oh my God, that has a guy, that guy's a target.

00:47:33.760 No, wait, or is that a Muslim?

00:47:35.540 Like, I don't even know.

00:47:36.340 Like I couldn't even process what was happening around me.

00:47:38.520 But then by like the 15th time, you know, I could see everything.

00:47:43.520 I could smell, Oh man, I'm in, there's a great restaurant next door to here.

00:47:49.000 Uh, but you're, you're a hundred percent right.

00:47:50.800 That is, it is a practiced, rehearsed, perishable thing that you have to do diligently and often

00:47:55.680 for it to stay acute and sharp.

00:47:57.080 Do you know Jocko?

00:47:59.800 I do.

00:48:01.600 Can I tell you something?

00:48:02.640 I should probably shouldn't say this on a podcast, but I feel like we're just having

00:48:05.880 a conversation.

00:48:06.820 He was on a podcast of mine.

00:48:08.400 That guy is humorless.

00:48:10.180 Like no sense of humor at all.

00:48:13.020 I tried to, I tried, you know, joke with him and say, and like, like I thought he was going

00:48:20.000 to kill me. 0.80

00:48:20.880 I thought he was going to kill me in. 1.00

00:48:23.540 He's a facade. 0.71

00:48:25.720 It's a facade.

00:48:26.800 Is it?

00:48:27.380 Cause he, well, he, in three hours here, he never broke it.

00:48:31.960 I mean, he never broke it.

00:48:34.000 I, I have a, I have one of the guys on my team is, uh, uh, former Royal Navy, uh, commander

00:48:40.900 or not Navy, uh, Royal Marine commander from Scotland.

00:48:44.200 And that guy is just, yeah, he's a good, he's a good guy.

00:48:48.920 Um, and, uh, and I said to him, I'm always tease.

00:48:52.540 I always do this to people.

00:48:54.760 I'll always come up to them and say, like, if you were here, I'd say, I got to tell you, 1.00

00:48:59.360 Tim, I don't think this, but Craig over there said, he just could kick your ass. 1.00

00:49:05.500 I always do that. 1.00

00:49:07.420 That's hilarious.

00:49:08.860 Jocko.

00:49:09.520 I said that.

00:49:10.860 And he went, I don't think he could.

00:49:16.860 So let me ask you a fight between you and Jocko.

00:49:20.640 Who's going to win?

00:49:22.620 Uh, I would, I would, I would mop the, the, the whole entire mat bald head.

00:49:29.360 Um, he better say, he better say the same thing about you mopping him. 0.96

00:49:36.700 He better say that he could mop the mat with my face.

00:49:39.300 Oh, I can guarantee you.

00:49:40.420 He would, uh, I can guarantee it.

00:49:42.800 Um, let me, um, let me go to, uh, the, um, sheepdog mentality.

00:49:50.640 I love this mentality.

00:49:52.880 And I, I think again, this is uniquely American.

00:49:57.540 Explain what the mentality is.

00:50:03.320 And then if you would go back to uniquely American, why is this here?

00:50:10.880 And without being a slam on other nations, why do you say it's not elsewhere?

00:50:16.480 So Colonel Grossman coined the term sheepdog in the metaphor that we use.

00:50:22.840 Um, uh, it's, I'll just give you this brief analogy.

00:50:25.500 So everybody's on the same talking points.

00:50:28.220 Um, you have the sheep, which are just regular people living their lives. 0.52

00:50:32.960 They're eating grass or making little sheep, right?

00:50:34.960 They're just kind of living and there's nothing wrong with being a sheep.

00:50:37.300 The vast majority of people are sheep and God bless them because sheep are amazing.

00:50:41.080 I like, I like wool.

00:50:42.860 Um, sheep tastes delicious.

00:50:46.720 Just that's everybody.

00:50:48.320 Then you have the wolf and, um, that's a natural predator that looks for the weakest of the herd

00:50:53.700 to, to, to feed itself for the sole purpose of its own, for its own self worth.

00:51:01.220 Sometimes it kills us for, for fun.

00:51:03.640 Sometimes it's kills for just its own nourishment, but the wolf is exclusively a predatory thing

00:51:09.020 that only worries about itself.

00:51:10.740 And then there's the sheepdog.

00:51:12.220 The sheepdog genetically is, is a descendant of the wolf.

00:51:16.960 It has a ton of similarities, right?

00:51:18.640 It has canines.

00:51:19.520 It eats meat.

00:51:20.840 Um, it knows how to move like a predator.

00:51:22.700 It knows how to stalk.

00:51:24.140 Um, it knows how to fight.

00:51:25.300 It knows that it's going to tap the neck and speak fully and knows all of these things.

00:51:29.300 The only thing that makes it different than the wolf is that it likes the sheep.

00:51:34.120 It values the sheep and it, there's something in it that makes it want to protect the

00:51:38.880 sheep and they'll, they'll even at their own, at the expense of their own life, they'll

00:51:43.820 do anything to protect the sheep.

00:51:45.460 So that's, that's this idea.

00:51:47.120 And I know that there's a lot of people that have that thing in them.

00:51:50.100 They don't know why they can't let, you know, I don't, I think I was 16 years old

00:51:56.020 and I was walking down San Luis Obispo and, um, a guy hit a girl in front of me.

00:52:01.840 I'm just, just smashed her in the face, waiting for an elevator to go up into a parking

00:52:06.000 garage, downtown San Luis Obispo. 0.70

00:52:08.120 I didn't wait.

00:52:08.960 I was just in stride.

00:52:09.920 I was just walking and I cracked this dude in the face, put him on the ground, got on

00:52:13.880 top of him.

00:52:14.460 And I hit him probably 10 or 15 times till the elevator door opened.

00:52:17.900 Then I stood up, got in, took my bloody hand, pressed number three, got in my car and drove

00:52:21.680 home.

00:52:21.940 And my dad was super pissed at me because I came home with bloody hands.

00:52:26.020 But, um, did you just say I came home bloody again?

00:52:30.220 Yeah.

00:52:30.900 Okay.

00:52:31.380 Yeah.

00:52:31.600 All right.

00:52:31.840 Um, again, another difference between you and me, uh, I don't, I don't think you could

00:52:38.400 stand there and you, you, you might've done something different, right?

00:52:41.300 You'd be like, excuse me, sir.

00:52:42.340 Like, that's not like picking up a phone.

00:52:44.300 Correct.

00:52:44.660 You're doing something because you can't let something bad like that happen.

00:52:48.520 There was no reason for us in 1942 to be sitting here and be like, all right, I'm just 0.97

00:52:55.900 going to be okay with them gassing and burning all those Jews. 1.00

00:52:58.960 It's fine. 1.00

00:52:59.600 I don't need to worry.

00:53:01.160 There's not, there's not a single American that would stand there and say that that type

00:53:05.060 of genocide is allowed and okay, right?

00:53:07.600 The Holocaust is starting. 0.92

00:53:08.760 We're like, get on the boats, get on the boats, boats, boys.

00:53:11.340 We're going overseas and we're fighting fascism.

00:53:13.380 You know, fast forward to a variety of wars where the impetus was, we have to go over there

00:53:20.280 because the wrong that is happening cannot be allowed.

00:53:23.760 It cannot exist on this planet.

00:53:25.400 If we're the same species, there's no way that I'm going to let that happen.

00:53:28.380 Okay.

00:53:28.460 So that is something.

00:53:29.600 Go ahead.

00:53:29.940 Deep inside of us.

00:53:30.940 Okay.

00:53:31.140 So tell me because I don't know if that's waning or if it's exactly the same.

00:53:39.160 We have China.

00:53:41.080 We're buying iPhones that were made by slaves. 0.91

00:53:46.480 I had a Chinese, a Chinese dissident.

00:53:50.480 She escaped.

00:53:51.600 She was over at a friend of my, a friend of mine's house.

00:53:54.360 Uh, he was a pastor.

00:53:55.820 Uh, he was around Christmas and she had escaped a few months before he had gotten her out of

00:54:00.680 China and they were taking all the stuff out of a box for Christmas.

00:54:04.180 And she was handed the, the big ball of Christmas lights.

00:54:07.300 I don't know why they gave her the worst job, but he's like, just untangle these.

00:54:11.440 He looks over in about 10 minutes and she is crying.

00:54:14.200 She's weeping over these lights.

00:54:16.140 And she said, these are the lights that I made.

00:54:20.980 These were, I was making these when I was a slave because I believed in Christ.

00:54:26.240 We're buying our stuff from the, we know that the concentration camps are over there.

00:54:32.100 And yet there's something in us that's outraged.

00:54:35.340 And yet, uh, you're, you say we, a lot, um, I'm, I'm, I'm going to push back a little

00:54:44.920 bit.

00:54:45.300 I've never seen a movement of buy American made as strong as right now.

00:54:50.780 So of the seven that I own, I'm trying to shift all manufacturing to the United States.

00:54:56.600 Jocko Willink himself, you know, cause we're going to bring them up again.

00:54:58.860 You know, he, they said that never again would soft goods be manufactured in the United States.

00:55:04.160 Well, let me introduce you to Jocko Willink in origin, right?

00:55:06.840 Where he's like, no, I have a huge factory.

00:55:08.660 I'm going to make geese.

00:55:09.320 I'm going to make jeans.

00:55:10.000 I'm gonna make shirts.

00:55:10.660 I'm gonna make like jackets like that.

00:55:13.860 There's something happening there where Americans, I hope are realizing that that phone in their

00:55:19.120 hand, or they want to spend $5 left less on Amazon and buy China made cool.

00:55:24.800 You're, you are running those slight camps.

00:55:26.460 You are also contributing to what will be a war in our future with a foreign nation that 1.00

00:55:32.220 does not say share our same values or, or you can go ahead and start right now by an American

00:55:38.280 made making in America, figure out a way to do everything in America.

00:55:42.640 So dime D I M E diplomatic information, military and economic.

00:55:46.640 They're the four ways that we can wage war.

00:55:48.700 And we are currently at war and three of them with China and Russia.

00:55:51.800 We're not overtly at military war with them.

00:55:54.540 We're at war via proxy, but diplomatically.

00:55:57.500 Absolutely.

00:55:58.340 Information.

00:55:59.000 Absolutely.

00:55:59.900 Military.

00:56:01.040 Kind of, maybe a little bit.

00:56:02.340 I saw some Russians in Afghanistan.

00:56:04.700 Let's try to get people out.

00:56:05.960 And then of course, economically, man, we are at war with them.

00:56:09.400 So you guys better figure it out and start buying American made or where it's going to

00:56:14.540 get way worse really fast.

00:56:16.280 I will tell you what, 15 years ago, I started making jeans when Levi's said, you know, they

00:56:25.740 want to be the, the official uniform of the revolution.

00:56:30.240 And I was like, Hmm, I love Levi's, but I'm not, I'm not for that.

00:56:35.660 Uh, and started making them at the, at the cone denim, uh, factory who they were really

00:56:41.940 expensive at the time, but things have changed and people have changed.

00:56:46.040 And I think COVID had something to do with it.

00:56:48.500 When we realized, wait a minute, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, we don't make our own medicine

00:56:52.140 here.

00:56:52.680 We don't make anything.

00:56:54.420 We are in a really precarious situation.

00:56:58.320 If they, if, I mean, I, I said to my wife yesterday, we ordered it.

00:57:03.240 We've been remodeling our house for a year.

00:57:06.480 And they keep telling me it'll be done in two weeks.

00:57:09.560 Uh, it was supposed to be done in four months.

00:57:11.380 But anyway, um, we just got news that the stove we ordered is now possibly another year

00:57:20.460 out that that'll make two.

00:57:22.380 Okay.

00:57:23.020 And I said, I think I know what it's like to live in a country.

00:57:27.280 That's not America that doesn't get service.

00:57:31.240 You know, you got to wait and wait and wait.

00:57:33.140 They don't have it on a shelf.

00:57:34.460 I've had so many of those experiences because nothing is made here. 0.53

00:57:38.660 And it kind of wakes you up going, we're really screwed. 0.98

00:57:41.620 We're screwed. 0.97

00:57:42.500 If we don't change this. 0.98

00:57:44.900 Yeah, I think we are though.

00:57:46.660 Um, I, I see a new wave of entrepreneurs that they're focused.

00:57:50.460 This is American made, American manufactured, American sourced, American materials.

00:57:55.380 Um, we're launching a suppressor company and, um, not only be looking at being American

00:58:02.800 made, American owned, American assembled, but all materials to be made from Texas.

00:58:09.600 Um, so like, yeah, I need a few of those.

00:58:13.960 I want a few of those.

00:58:15.980 Yeah.

00:58:16.460 And it's, it's, it's, it's, I think things, I don't know, maybe it's just the groups that

00:58:21.380 I'm traveling with, but, um, there's definitely energy around America made, you know, when

00:58:26.140 you're, when you're reading online that if you are vitamin D deficient, um, that you have

00:58:33.120 a higher risk of having something bad happen to you from COVID.

00:58:36.760 Uh, and then you can't get any water soluble vitamins because they're all from China and 1.00

00:58:43.520 you're like, Oh shoot.

00:58:44.940 Uh, what do I do?

00:58:46.260 Like that kind of wakes you up.

00:58:48.100 I can't get toilet paper.

00:58:50.720 What happened to, uh, I mean, I know you're, you're friends with Joe Rogan and I think he's

00:58:56.540 just getting, I think this is insane what's happening with COVID where he's like, Hey,

00:59:02.160 I took all these different things.

00:59:03.420 We should all go good.

00:59:05.340 I had COVID.

00:59:06.560 I had a bad case of it, but I think it would have been much worse if I hadn't have been

00:59:10.040 taking hydroxychloroquine.

00:59:12.440 Uh, and there was a few other things, uh, I can't remember what they were.

00:59:16.780 It's been about a year, but I took drugs that are, you know, that had been prescribed for

00:59:22.220 other things for a long time.

00:59:23.160 And it really helped.

00:59:25.120 Why is all of a sudden that so wrong to do and you get hammered like Joe is getting hammered

00:59:32.180 now?

00:59:33.720 I, it is a really, really dangerous precedence when we are making medicine politicized.

00:59:40.540 Yeah.

00:59:40.960 Um, I, I hope every doctor right now is freaking out over, um, I mean, the writings on the wall

00:59:52.060 that this, this is a slippery slope of setting a precedent of being able to limit people's

00:59:56.660 freedoms off of medical necessity and then telling doctors what they're allowed to do and

01:00:02.680 what they're allowed to do is being governed by not medicine and not science, but by political

01:00:09.620 agenda.

01:00:10.340 That's, that is, that's not okay.

01:00:13.400 Uh, if it's, if it's good for you and your doctors for it, go for it.

01:00:17.200 What is, um, what's your take on fat phobia?

01:00:22.100 Speaking of health, uh, the vast majority of everybody that died of COVID died from COVID

01:00:29.580 and they were obese.

01:00:31.920 Um, almost every single, the two leading causes of death in the United States are weight related

01:00:38.040 obesity specifically.

01:00:39.280 So, um, the cost of my healthcare as a young, healthy person with young, healthy children

01:00:45.880 and a young, healthy wife, I am paying an exorbitant amount for my healthcare because 0.75

01:00:51.220 of fat, unhealthy people. 0.98

01:00:53.720 Um, I, uh, I fat shaming. 0.83

01:00:56.020 I don't even know what that means.

01:00:56.920 Like this new trend of accepting anybody for their shape.

01:00:59.900 It's not okay.

01:01:00.920 Um, it's not healthy to be fat.

01:01:02.800 It's dangerous to be fat.

01:01:04.180 And you're doing, uh, if I, you know, I spend a lot of my time.

01:01:09.280 Nobody looks like Americans. 1.00

01:01:10.520 The moment I get on that plane and I, I fly, I land in Atlanta or I land in Miami or whatever

01:01:16.380 those international hubs are.

01:01:17.860 And I get off the plane and I look around, I'm like, uh, I'm back in America.

01:01:22.680 I hope that person's diabetes doesn't get on me.

01:01:25.180 Cause I don't want it, you know?

01:01:26.640 Yeah.

01:01:27.940 Um, I know it's not contagious.

01:01:31.640 What'd you say?

01:01:32.840 I'm just, I said, no, it's not contagious.

01:01:34.240 It was a joke.

01:01:34.740 I was just reeling from you.

01:01:38.440 I think you were talking directly to me about being fat and I was a little offended by it.

01:01:43.400 Um, uh, you were, what'd you say?

01:01:48.400 You look great. 1.00

01:01:50.480 You are a liar. 1.00

01:01:52.780 Um, let, let's, um, let's just end it here on, um, Texas. 1.00

01:02:00.640 You born here.

01:02:04.520 I got here as soon as I could.

01:02:06.680 I was born in central, central California.

01:02:10.820 Uh huh.

01:02:11.600 Wow.

01:02:12.860 Well, first let me explain what central California.

01:02:16.880 We're hang on.

01:02:18.240 I love this.

01:02:18.980 I talked to Californians all the time and they're like, I'm from California, but wait, let me

01:02:23.000 tell you, they immediately qualify.

01:02:25.700 It's a 45 minute near a stoplight.

01:02:29.800 And all I did growing up was fixing barbed wire and fighting with Mexicans best way to 1.00

01:02:34.040 plan a few.

01:02:35.240 Yeah.

01:02:35.440 You know, um, the, my, my family, they are militant conservatives because they're surrounded,

01:02:42.780 you know, San Francisco's three hours North LA or South, um, Sacramento's four hours Northeast.

01:02:48.480 And, um, every single one of these blue collar agricultural towns, you know, past Robles and

01:02:55.060 a Tascadero, you know, into Salinas and Bakersfield and Fresno.

01:02:59.300 They're very, very, um, conservative, but they're militant conservatives because they're

01:03:05.020 surrounded by these people that are governing them.

01:03:08.160 And, uh, so I enlisted out on nine 11 and, uh, I never went back to California after I left

01:03:14.100 the military and I can never go back.

01:03:15.880 So I came to Texas and Texas, all my kids are Texans and I'm a Texas, I'm a Texan, Glenn.

01:03:21.580 No, you're not.

01:03:22.320 My son, we adopted him here in the, from the Dallas area.

01:03:26.020 We were living in New York.

01:03:27.340 He was probably maybe four.

01:03:30.080 And we were talking about moving to Texas for, we had never talked about Texan attitude

01:03:35.660 or anything else.

01:03:36.340 And he's sitting at the dinner table and he said, you know, I will be the only natural

01:03:43.840 born Texan in this family.

01:03:46.020 And we're like, oh my gosh, it's in the blood.

01:03:48.440 There is, there is something about Texans.

01:03:52.420 Yeah, it's great.

01:03:53.580 It's great.

01:03:54.660 It is a, it's a, it's a pleasure to talk to you.

01:03:58.040 Um, and thank you for all of the good work that you do and the, just the good vibes that

01:04:03.620 you put out, um, and staying positive.

01:04:06.160 It's hard to be positive right now for a lot of people.

01:04:11.400 Yeah.

01:04:12.420 Yeah.

01:04:12.820 It's a choice to choose, choose to be positive.

01:04:15.700 Amen, brother.

01:04:16.740 Thank you.

01:04:17.180 And I am sending my daughter to you.

01:04:19.460 All right.

01:04:19.980 I'll take her.

01:04:20.500 She'll be better.

01:04:21.440 You got it.

01:04:22.180 Thank you.

01:04:22.740 God bless.

01:04:23.120 Just a reminder, I'd love you to rate and subscribe to the podcast and pass this on to a friend

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