The Glenn Beck Program - September 25, 2021


Ep 118 ｜ Fake Feminists Ignore Islam's Jihad Against Women ｜ Ayaan Hirsi Ali ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast


Episode Stats

Length

58 minutes

Words per Minute

139.17393

Word Count

8,151

Sentence Count

409

Misogynist Sentences

15

Hate Speech Sentences

26


Summary

Ayaan Hirsi Ali was born in Somalia, grew up in Saudi Arabia, and spent much of her childhood in exile in the Netherlands. She was a minister of parliament, a refugee, and a victim of sexual abuse at the hands of her own family. Her story is one of resilience, resilience, and resilience.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 It isn't very often I can say to you, I am going to sit down and talk with one of my
00:00:10.980 heroes, one of the world's heroes, somebody who I think is, should be listened to more.
00:00:22.440 I'm excited for you to take this journey with me.
00:00:25.780 Everybody, everybody goes through hardship in life.
00:00:28.860 Everybody.
00:00:30.000 Some suffer more than others and some suffer unimaginable pain, but it is it's what you
00:00:37.700 do with that that makes all the difference.
00:00:42.420 Today's guest fits into the last category of unbelievable hardship and pain.
00:00:48.440 Her life has been marked with pain that you and I can't understand.
00:00:53.740 Forced genital mutilation when she was five years old, she was promised to be a bride.
00:00:59.540 She escaped from her family.
00:01:02.560 I mean, it's her story is amazing.
00:01:05.600 But what she did with all of this is remarkable.
00:01:10.340 She has channeled it into political, social, cultural and academic change.
00:01:17.120 She committed the sin of criticizing Islam and defending women's rights and exposing the excesses of mass migration over in Europe.
00:01:29.680 When she was a minister of parliament, she was a refugee who got off an airplane, changed her clothes and didn't take the the next flight where she was going to be married off to some man.
00:01:43.980 She didn't know.
00:01:44.980 And then she found herself studying, learning the language and becoming a member of parliament.
00:01:50.300 It doesn't matter that she has direct experience with Islam.
00:01:55.480 It doesn't matter that she was born in Somalia, grew up in Saudi Arabia.
00:01:59.800 It doesn't seem to matter that she has firsthand experience and she's a refugee herself who believes in taking in refugees.
00:02:09.060 It doesn't matter that she's an experience.
00:02:11.980 She's experienced horrific sexual violence as a woman.
00:02:17.300 It doesn't matter that she was a member of Dutch parliament.
00:02:21.220 She's, I don't know, an infidel, a heretic, an enemy of Islam, an enemy of freedom, an enemy of mankind, an enemy of peace, love, joy, little puppy dogs and butterflies.
00:02:33.720 According to the left and its powerful institutions, she's a bigot, which is strange because she's literally a woman who has won a slew of prizes by liberal groups, including the Tolerance Prize and the Freedom Prize.
00:02:52.360 Well, she spent some time writing a new book called Prey, not with an A, with an E, P-R-E-Y, Immigration, Islam and the Erosion of Women's Rights.
00:03:02.180 It's a very timely book right now.
00:03:06.320 It reveals the threat that Islam poses to women's rights and liberal democracy.
00:03:11.640 And I think we have to start with a little bit of what's going on in Afghanistan.
00:03:17.920 Today, I am thrilled to say our guest, Ayaan Hirsi Ali.
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00:04:56.340 I don't know if you, if you know this, but you are one of my heroes.
00:05:05.240 Um, you are one of the most remarkable women living today, uh, for your, your bravery.
00:05:14.660 I mean, I, I, I remember you when I first interviewed you about 2006, I was at CNN and I think you may
00:05:25.500 have just been visiting America at the time.
00:05:28.720 Do I have that right?
00:05:30.720 I think you have that right.
00:05:32.100 Yes.
00:05:32.460 I think it was right about that time and you are still with CNN and Glenn, by the admiration
00:05:37.900 is mutual.
00:05:38.780 Thank you very much for having me.
00:05:40.300 Oh my gosh.
00:05:40.740 You bet.
00:05:41.500 Um, it is, um, it's an interesting time for you to be publishing this book called pray.
00:05:47.080 Uh, and that's not with an A that's with an E.
00:05:50.140 Um, and I, I want to start instead of in Afghanistan.
00:05:54.240 Um, I, I, I want to start with something because we're right now engaged in, um, trying
00:06:04.600 to save people in Afghanistan, women and children and, and Christians and homosexuals and everyone.
00:06:11.880 Um, and we can't seem to get any, uh, buddy from the national organization of women from
00:06:18.340 glad or anything.
00:06:19.380 They will talk about birthday cakes and wedding cakes all day long, but when it comes to actual
00:06:27.160 life and death, they don't seem to care.
00:06:30.140 It is unfortunate because I think some of these organizations of civil activism, um, have succumbed
00:06:40.500 to identity politics.
00:06:42.100 If glad understands, uh, what they see as the threat to homosexual life, to the LGBT community,
00:06:52.980 then they will tackle that.
00:06:56.800 But tackling homophobia, um, that is practiced and enshrined in law, Sharia law in Islam, they
00:07:06.820 won't touch that.
00:07:08.000 Uh, but I don't understand.
00:07:09.680 I really, and this is an honest question.
00:07:11.760 I really don't understand.
00:07:13.580 I can't assign anything but ill feelings to this.
00:07:18.040 I've met with glad, uh, in New York about five years ago when they were throwing homosexuals
00:07:24.620 off the rooftops in Iran.
00:07:26.780 And I said, look, we have so many things we disagree with, but we have got to set an example
00:07:31.940 that people who disagree with each other can stand together on basic life and death issues.
00:07:39.660 And yet I'm called a bigot.
00:07:42.380 They're the hero and they didn't do anything about it, nor would they stand with anyone
00:07:48.080 to do anything about it.
00:07:49.980 And I think that's how identity politics poisons everything.
00:07:55.620 You can't no longer in this country.
00:07:58.880 Uh, and it's not everyone.
00:08:00.460 It's just within those civil rights organizations, corporations, our news media, our politics,
00:08:07.200 the people in these leadership positions are so divided on everything that they can't agree
00:08:14.040 on minimal morality, life and death, as you say.
00:08:18.720 And if you are Glenn Beck, you are seen to be right wing.
00:08:22.640 You are labeled extreme right wing.
00:08:25.100 You are labeled a white supremacist.
00:08:28.800 And now that you've been put in this corner, it doesn't matter if you come out and say,
00:08:34.640 I'm actually doing what you guys say you stand for, trying to rescue women, trying to rescue
00:08:40.500 homosexuals, trying to show what it is to be a true American, that when, you know, the
00:08:46.360 call of help comes and the call of need comes, we respond and we should put our divisions
00:08:51.080 aside.
00:08:52.020 That's not a part of the identity politics narrative.
00:08:56.100 You never put those divisions aside.
00:08:58.160 That's why it's so poisonous.
00:08:59.460 You know, I feel bad for the soldiers over in Afghanistan because they feel like, you
00:09:06.300 know, was this for nothing?
00:09:07.640 And, and I've thought about this a lot and I don't think it was for nothing.
00:09:13.740 Just for this fact, for 20 years, girls who now are 20 grew up in a time where they saw
00:09:24.080 what life was supposed to be like and the potential and all of that, can you put yourself and
00:09:31.360 take Americans who have never experienced something like this?
00:09:35.160 Is it possible for you to put yourself in the role of one, a girl that would be living
00:09:41.220 in Afghanistan and what life was like in the last 20 years and what they're now facing,
00:09:47.240 what she might be thinking and what's coming her way?
00:09:49.980 Obviously, I don't come from Afghanistan.
00:09:54.320 I have not been to Afghanistan, but I do come from a culture with a similar, similar moral
00:10:01.740 framework.
00:10:02.940 And first of all, I have to contend with the fact that in November, sorry, in September
00:10:08.540 11 of 2001, America was attacked from Afghanistan.
00:10:13.740 And in response, if I was a young woman living in the country from which the attack came, I
00:10:21.960 would fear and dread that we would be completely destroyed.
00:10:26.000 That's not how America responded.
00:10:28.380 America obviously went after those who plotted the terrorist attacks, but then also came with
00:10:33.860 an agenda of what is it that we can do for the people of Afghanistan?
00:10:37.900 What is it that we can do for the women of Afghanistan?
00:10:40.140 And then that agenda, with a great deal of difficulty and adversity and obstacles, they
00:10:46.640 tried to implement that administration after administration.
00:10:50.420 And that, I think, is the story of America.
00:10:52.480 So for a young woman, whether she lives in Afghanistan or elsewhere, she is going to see this
00:10:58.160 truly as it is.
00:11:00.940 And if you're a young woman who benefited from American presence, you got the opportunity to
00:11:06.300 go to school, you got the opportunity to find a job, you got the opportunity to think of
00:11:10.900 yourself as a human being with individual opportunity.
00:11:15.280 That is the idea that America was trying to promote.
00:11:18.600 Did it completely succeed?
00:11:20.260 No.
00:11:20.620 But was life in Afghanistan better for women in 2021, before this crazy withdrawal, then
00:11:29.140 before 9-11-2001?
00:11:34.060 I would tell you, every Afghan woman who has benefited will say it was much better with
00:11:40.000 the Americans.
00:11:41.220 There are Afghan girls who are studying technology.
00:11:44.280 There are Afghan women who have become doctors and teachers and politicians.
00:11:48.160 And women who have, in Afghanistan and outside of Afghanistan, who identify as Afghans with
00:11:55.800 the help of the American government, American businesses, American citizens, who have realized
00:12:03.880 a life, you know, with that window of hope that they could actually be something and get
00:12:09.700 to something and see their society form.
00:12:12.200 And then, you know, at a very embryonic stage, an administration came along, very impatient
00:12:19.200 and very inept, and decided to withdraw in this fashion.
00:12:23.560 And that's horrifying, because I don't know how to explain that.
00:12:26.420 Is there, when you grew up in that situation, and, you know, you were mutilated when you were
00:12:34.620 five, you were promised to be a bride to somebody, and that was the culture.
00:12:38.600 Um, is there a difference between knowing internally, I don't want that, that doesn't feel right
00:12:46.920 to me, and, and knowing, um, because you've grown up in that society, and then having it
00:12:55.940 taken away and forced into you?
00:12:58.020 What, is there a difference between, between those two situations?
00:13:03.620 Do you understand what I'm saying?
00:13:04.820 I understand exactly what you're saying.
00:13:08.080 When you're in that situation, you're born into it, it's the culture, it's the tradition,
00:13:12.680 it's the religion, and it's enforced by everyone around you, or almost everyone around you,
00:13:17.560 you know that there is something different.
00:13:19.980 You know that you don't want this constant subjugation and humiliation, but you feel powerless.
00:13:27.320 And then, as in the case of Afghanistan, when a superpower comes along and promises something
00:13:33.880 different, then you have that little flame of hope, and you feel empowered, and then
00:13:41.380 you do your thing.
00:13:42.760 Now, there are always women and other victims within the old situation, or the situation that's
00:13:52.060 enforcing the subjugation of women, girls, children, homosexuals, Christians, you name it.
00:13:57.000 There are always people who think, well, this is the devil we know, and we've learned how
00:14:05.400 to cope, and we don't want things to change, who are just terrified of change.
00:14:09.600 And I think to a certain, up to a certain degree, today in Afghanistan, those people will say,
00:14:15.500 the devil of the Taliban, the one that we know, that has prevailed, I told you so.
00:14:21.080 Americans weren't going to stay.
00:14:22.640 That promise and all that was all fake.
00:14:25.960 So all the narratives that you've ever heard of America, that's now, you know, I don't know
00:14:32.360 how to push back against that, but that's right now what's being peddled, and not just in
00:14:36.960 Afghanistan.
00:14:38.480 That is so frightening.
00:14:39.620 I don't understand religion that can promise you a child bride, you know, basically pedophilia.
00:14:57.020 You know, you even have the Afghani Olympic soccer team has been promised.
00:15:04.500 Each one of those girls has been promised to one of the leaders of the Taliban.
00:15:12.140 I don't understand the thinking.
00:15:15.500 Is there, is it just, is it just man covering and going, no, God tells me I can do this, but
00:15:25.060 they, they know it's, you know, they know it's wrong, but they can do it, or do they actually
00:15:32.200 believe God says, oh no, I can rape this girl all I want and it's fine?
00:15:40.000 I think it's very difficult to get into people's minds and speculate, but knowing the religion,
00:15:47.340 because I grew up within that religion, there is no concept of a childhood beyond menstruation.
00:15:54.460 If, as soon as a girl menstruates, she is declared a woman.
00:15:59.340 As soon as a boy transitions into puberty, he's declared a man.
00:16:04.880 And then these roles are pretty much regulated through the creed of Sharia.
00:16:12.120 And yes, these people actually believe and practice that the right thing to do is, and
00:16:20.640 they see it as God's will, that the way to sustain an orderly and righteous society is
00:16:33.240 to marry the girls off as quickly as possible, so that they don't get a chance to commit
00:16:40.260 to the son of, the sins of fornication and adultery and, and, and those things are seen
00:16:46.200 as precursors to the breakdown of society.
00:16:50.100 And that's the thinking behind the pedophilia that is enshrined in law.
00:16:57.460 So in your book, I love, I love the fact that it is riddled with facts.
00:17:04.260 I mean, it is stats and facts all the way through it.
00:17:08.180 It's clearly not opinion.
00:17:10.500 And yet you are labeled a bigot.
00:17:15.160 And someplace I have one of the New York Times reviews.
00:17:20.700 Here it is.
00:17:21.760 It's a Hersey Alley though.
00:17:24.540 Who exactly does this?
00:17:26.280 She finds stories of individual Muslim immigrants who commit heinous crimes.
00:17:30.380 And by suggesting those stories are broadly representative, uses them to justify curtailing
00:17:36.380 the opportunities afforded to the whole group.
00:17:39.100 This is not, as she suggests, a feminism of standing up for the rights of women.
00:17:44.860 It is feminism of reaction.
00:17:47.600 And one that would undermine the very liberal values Hersey Alley begs feminists to protect.
00:17:54.740 How do you respond to that?
00:17:56.500 I think we've gotten to a point, you know, 2006, when you and I met, it was, okay, I'm
00:18:05.200 going to respond by trying to show the empirics, the data, the facts.
00:18:10.480 You know, I think her name is Filipovich or something like that.
00:18:13.860 I would say, Ms. Filipovich, don't look away from this.
00:18:16.540 This is really important.
00:18:17.700 Now it's, you know, you think someone is so steeped in that ideology of identity politics
00:18:25.640 and far left notions of social justice that you simply don't respond.
00:18:31.620 And that is, in fact, not good for our society because then we're no longer talking to each
00:18:37.100 other.
00:18:37.340 We're no longer trying to show one another what our perspectives are like.
00:18:42.080 And we're watching the same reality unfold.
00:18:45.040 People, young men, this is the story of the book, are coming from Muslim-majority countries
00:18:51.080 where their relationship and their attitude towards women is radically different from what
00:18:56.440 you find in Europe.
00:18:57.940 That's causing problems for women in Europe.
00:19:01.020 Immigrant women, working-class women, all women.
00:19:03.780 That's the new reality.
00:19:05.200 Let's talk about it.
00:19:06.200 But then you get something like this that is dismissive, it's insulting, it's intended
00:19:11.340 to confirm and affirm her own ideological narrative that she is committed to.
00:19:20.700 And she doesn't want to deal with the dissonance of calling herself a feminist on the one hand
00:19:26.280 and on the other hand, ignoring the story that Prey tells.
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00:20:51.280 So let's, let's get into pray here and let's, let's look at what's happened to Europe.
00:21:00.500 Describe what's, what's happening there and what life is like.
00:21:06.560 So life in Europe, I mean, I've only just come from Europe.
00:21:09.720 It's still, these are still wealthy, welfare nations.
00:21:15.320 Their governments are still intact.
00:21:17.040 They are incredibly stable, but they do face a challenge of what, just everything I describe
00:21:25.640 now, the stability, the governments that are intact, the welfare states, these are what
00:21:30.480 they call pull factors.
00:21:32.820 There are millions and millions of people in the world who don't have those things and
00:21:37.600 who want to come to Europe to take a part of that.
00:21:40.860 And yes, a great deal of it is opportunity and it is opportunity for a lot of the people
00:21:45.220 who come.
00:21:46.340 But there's a subset of people who do come from these broken down countries, many of them
00:21:52.040 men who do have attitudes to women that are very different from those in Europe and then
00:21:59.060 who engage in violent and demeaning behavior towards women.
00:22:02.880 And it's now becoming a big problem.
00:22:06.360 Countries like Austria, Denmark, Sweden, France, Great Britain, they're faced with this conundrum.
00:22:13.820 But we're also living in this philosophical age where only white heterosexual men are capable
00:22:20.820 of being held accountable for what they not only did wrong now, but what they did wrong
00:22:26.580 in the past.
00:22:27.220 But we're not holding anyone else accountable.
00:22:30.260 So if you're a man from Senegal or Eritrea or Afghanistan or Iraq or Kuwait and you engage
00:22:38.940 in violent behavior against women, it's something we're just going to try and hide away from.
00:22:45.080 We're not going to address it.
00:22:46.580 We can't talk about your religion in case you turn into a terrorist.
00:22:49.680 We can't talk about your culture in case you are accusers of colonialism.
00:22:53.440 We're not going to do any of that.
00:22:54.920 We're just going to pretend none of this is happening.
00:22:56.700 And it's it's so bad.
00:22:58.480 I was in Sweden a couple of years ago and it is a it is a separate society.
00:23:06.000 That doesn't mean everyone, but there is a separate and distinct society that does not
00:23:11.620 want to become Swedish and Swedes.
00:23:15.580 They're open to immigrants.
00:23:17.820 They're open to refugees.
00:23:19.800 They that's their culture.
00:23:22.560 And so they're they're really struggling because these people are coming in and they don't want
00:23:27.840 to be Swedes.
00:23:28.720 And in fact, they prey on the Swedes.
00:23:32.220 And these these women are being raped, killed.
00:23:38.280 And no one says anything about it.
00:23:40.540 And everyone knows what the problem is.
00:23:42.440 Well, people are saying things, but it's all, you know, they're grumbling.
00:23:48.900 They again, they are really trying to balance this attitude of wanting to be welcoming and
00:23:54.180 warm and sharing.
00:23:55.640 They understand the privileges that they have in Sweden and they want to share.
00:23:59.920 So the Swedish population is very open to immigrants, providing them with opportunities.
00:24:04.680 But the Swedish leadership, and when I talk about leadership, this is politics.
00:24:09.200 It's media, it's academia, they have created this sort of belt around what you can and can't
00:24:18.680 say, what you're allowed to experience and what you're not allowed to experience.
00:24:22.140 And right now, the prevailing notion is to come out against some of the behaviors, the
00:24:30.520 criminal behaviors, the rapes, the violence towards women, the robberies.
00:24:36.200 There's a lot of crime that goes on in Sweden, perpetrated by immigrants, and the local Swedes
00:24:42.900 no longer understand what's going on.
00:24:44.940 But their leadership is telling them, if you ask the question, if you say, why is this happening?
00:24:51.580 Why is it not being stopped?
00:24:53.320 That is the definition of xenophobia, racism, and rejectionism.
00:24:59.400 And that no society, no civilization survives that.
00:25:06.200 Well, so then, as I describe in the book, the leadership, not only in Sweden, but broadly
00:25:12.540 across Europe, all over will say, talking about these things will empower the genuine white
00:25:20.740 supremacists, the far right, the populists.
00:25:24.440 In effect, that's exactly what happens.
00:25:26.380 It's when you don't talk about it, that these fringe groups are, in fact, empowered and emboldened.
00:25:33.960 And so, the only groups in Europe who are addressing these issues in a very serious way are the groups
00:25:39.640 that the establishment leaders are telling us don't listen to.
00:25:43.300 Yeah.
00:25:44.140 They're back.
00:25:45.280 Let's just, and so then we're now in this cycle.
00:25:47.300 It was probably 2004 or 5, I went to Special Forces Command and I spent the day with them
00:25:58.780 and we talked about different things.
00:26:00.740 And I said, what is the thing that you're worried about?
00:26:03.740 And they said, the Bubba effect.
00:26:06.000 Now, I had never heard of that.
00:26:07.460 But that is the theory that, this is 2005, that at some point, the governments of the
00:26:14.800 world will have made so many mistakes and they will have made their own bed as the people
00:26:21.440 will see it.
00:26:22.660 And there's a terrorist attack.
00:26:24.980 And Bubba, who doesn't know a Muslim from a Sikh and a guy with a turban walks in after
00:26:32.860 this big attack and he shoots him.
00:26:35.920 And everybody knows it's wrong.
00:26:37.460 Everybody in the town knows it's wrong.
00:26:39.340 But the FBI comes in and they're saying, we're here for Bubba.
00:26:43.620 And the town rallies around Bubba and says, we'll take care of Bubba.
00:26:49.160 You are part of the problem.
00:26:51.900 Get out.
00:26:53.400 And that's what they were afraid of.
00:26:55.060 And I'm seeing that everywhere in the world.
00:26:58.200 And you're seeing these people who are part of this populist movement, which is both really
00:27:10.040 good and really dangerous at the same time.
00:27:13.780 And it is the elites that are pushing everybody kind of into that because they won't address
00:27:22.280 the problem and they won't say what everybody knows is true.
00:27:28.200 Right.
00:27:31.360 So this is when I came to the West.
00:27:34.380 And if you asked me in 2006, what do you think is the defining feature of Western societies?
00:27:43.140 And people would, some of them would say freedom because that's what they value the most.
00:27:46.900 Others will say democracy because that's what they value the most.
00:27:49.620 Capitalism and so on.
00:27:51.860 I would say the West had achieved a level of responsive government.
00:27:58.980 Governments and elites that respond to and do their best to listen to what it is that
00:28:05.340 the populations that they govern want.
00:28:07.780 Representative government.
00:28:09.740 That is what has, you know, all other societies would like to achieve something like that.
00:28:17.520 And somehow they haven't.
00:28:19.080 We've all seen this as a journey.
00:28:21.120 They call it the development.
00:28:22.340 There is the developed world, which is mostly the West, and the developing world, which would
00:28:26.580 like to achieve that.
00:28:28.000 What we are seeing now, this bubble effect that you're describing, is that the responsive
00:28:33.820 governments are becoming irresponsive.
00:28:36.880 Yes.
00:28:37.720 Irresponsive.
00:28:39.320 And I will not be surprised then if the populations of the West start to respond to problems like the
00:28:48.200 populations of everywhere else, factionalism, fragmentation, tribalism, religious fanaticism,
00:28:55.860 xenophobia, all of these things.
00:28:58.020 We're now seeing bits and pieces of that all simmering through the surface.
00:29:01.960 But that is, in the end, where you're going to drive these unrepresented populations to.
00:29:08.620 So how do we deal with this?
00:29:13.300 Because I saw Brexit, and I think I saw it different than so many of the elites and so
00:29:20.580 many of the commentators.
00:29:21.560 I saw Brexit as, look, I love Europe.
00:29:25.340 It's kind of, I live in Texas now, and Texans, you know, get a big name of, you know, well,
00:29:31.360 it ain't Texas.
00:29:32.380 But they don't follow it up with what Texans usually say.
00:29:35.900 It's not Texas, but I'm sure it's a great state.
00:29:38.780 It's got lovely things about it.
00:29:40.320 You know what I mean?
00:29:40.840 But it ain't Texas.
00:29:42.280 They don't hate something else.
00:29:44.880 The people at Brexit, they didn't hate Europe.
00:29:47.680 They wanted to be them, and they wanted to be proud of what they have.
00:29:54.220 And I don't know how, because you're going to have uber nationalists, you will have racism,
00:30:03.660 you will have bad, ill-intent people who will start saying things that are true and leaving
00:30:11.360 out the things that is their real intent, and you will have populations lost.
00:30:19.220 How do we navigate this area where we can speak the truth and yet warn people, don't fall
00:30:30.980 into the trap of who you might be standing next to, because they may not believe the same
00:30:35.820 things you do.
00:30:36.500 Well, I'm glad you brought up Brexit.
00:30:40.300 And remember, the slogan of Brexit in 2016 was, take back control.
00:30:47.880 The people in the UK who wanted Brexit and voted for Brexit felt that they had ceded control
00:30:57.440 to something, an entity, the EU, Brussels, some foreign place, technocrats, they had a list
00:31:05.940 of names of who could that be, but they had ceded control to institutions that they want
00:31:13.400 holding accountable or couldn't hold accountable.
00:31:16.080 And if you then take this to its logical conclusion, if many of these populations get to a point
00:31:25.160 where they think, I can't hold my local government or my provincial or regional government or my
00:31:32.820 national government accountable for any of this stuff that's happening to me, then I'm going
00:31:38.080 to take back control.
00:31:39.180 And really, for most of history, human beings, when they wanted to do that sort of thing,
00:31:46.360 they went back to their kinship, their families, their clans, their tribes.
00:31:50.560 And it's from there that the fragmentation, I think, will come.
00:31:54.240 It is, you are going to find people who are saying, our interests are no longer aligned,
00:31:59.220 because this thing that we call nation state, it doesn't represent me.
00:32:03.680 It represents you more than it represents me.
00:32:06.140 I live in California, and in California, our governor just survived a recall.
00:32:11.660 But if you listen to what the people are complaining about, the hopelessness, the drugs, the crime,
00:32:17.580 all of the things that he has ignored all of these years, and then the response of when
00:32:23.160 he survived the recall, he says, oh, but then the population really likes my policies.
00:32:28.820 That is turning a deaf ear to all of those people who wanted to recall him.
00:32:34.780 That's not a representative government.
00:32:37.200 That is the path to hell.
00:32:39.920 So in your book, you do talk about solutions, but you talk about bogus solutions as well.
00:32:46.220 How do we, I mean, I just don't see good things.
00:32:49.880 Because I'm a student of history, it usually doesn't end well when you get to this point.
00:32:56.640 And it's happening all over the world.
00:33:01.160 How do we, what are some solutions?
00:33:06.020 Bogus solutions are intended to make you feel good.
00:33:11.100 Maybe they make the people who come up with these bogus solutions feel good,
00:33:16.180 but they express contempt for the people whose problems these bogus solutions are intended to solve.
00:33:25.540 Take the examples of, so women are raped, they can't go to concerts in Europe,
00:33:31.680 and then they come up with wear this bracelet that says.
00:33:37.340 You're vaccinated.
00:33:40.000 Yeah, you're vaccinated.
00:33:42.500 But in this, in the case of violence against women,
00:33:46.320 telling women to wear certain bracelets or avoid certain places,
00:33:50.200 or it's not what you're looking for, right?
00:33:53.620 You, first of all, frighten the whole world into thinking about climate change,
00:34:00.740 accept the premise that climate change is real,
00:34:03.500 and then tell them don't eat meat,
00:34:05.820 or we're going to close your source of economic income,
00:34:10.140 then these are bogus solutions.
00:34:12.460 They don't resolve anything.
00:34:13.760 And they just have the function of the people who are already retreating from the public space,
00:34:20.180 they'll retreat more into their cocoons, the ones who,
00:34:24.640 I'll give you a good example.
00:34:25.940 We talk about gun control in the U.S. endlessly.
00:34:29.120 Ever since I came here, even before I came here,
00:34:31.060 this whole gun control debate never ends.
00:34:34.280 I love hearing that from somebody who just got into it 20 years ago.
00:34:39.840 It's so great to hear.
00:34:41.100 I think, oh gosh, there they go again.
00:34:45.320 But there are countries who have the kind of gun control
00:34:49.600 a radical Democrat can only fantasize about,
00:34:53.620 countries like Sweden.
00:34:54.980 But because the crime in Sweden has gone up,
00:34:58.480 and there's no rule of law,
00:35:00.700 law enforcement has been hamstrung and told,
00:35:03.320 no, you can't go after these criminals.
00:35:05.460 People in Sweden are buying more guns per capita than Americans are.
00:35:16.920 Wow.
00:35:18.580 That's crazy.
00:35:19.880 That is creepy.
00:35:21.220 That should tell every politician in Sweden and beyond,
00:35:24.560 that's not a good development.
00:35:26.840 And that's because if I pay my taxes,
00:35:30.120 the government protects me in exchange for that.
00:35:32.940 Remember the tasks of the government.
00:35:34.380 The government is not protecting me.
00:35:37.040 I'll protect my family.
00:35:38.560 Right.
00:35:38.740 So that's the kind of thinking that is behind all of this.
00:35:43.140 And if governments continue to ignore their populations,
00:35:45.880 then they're inviting this kind of behavior.
00:35:48.660 It is therefore superficial to talk about gun rules
00:35:52.800 and gun sizes and magazine sizes, etc.
00:35:55.540 The real question here is,
00:35:59.220 is the government delivering on the promise
00:36:04.760 and on the contract of the rule of law?
00:36:09.760 Correct.
00:36:10.260 Law enforcement.
00:36:11.600 Law and order.
00:36:12.800 And if the government doesn't deliver on that,
00:36:14.520 people will take the law into their hands.
00:36:16.420 That's taking of the law into your hands.
00:36:18.480 That's not a good thing.
00:36:19.780 No.
00:36:20.120 So, again, I go back to the solution.
00:36:23.360 How do you deprogram that?
00:36:25.080 How do you,
00:36:26.140 because I'm convinced the governments
00:36:28.540 either are so blind,
00:36:31.560 which I don't believe,
00:36:32.620 are so blind to this
00:36:34.080 that they're just going to keep going,
00:36:36.780 or they have a different outcome.
00:36:39.160 I mean, I really, truly believe
00:36:41.040 we are seeing a controlled collapse of the West,
00:36:44.860 in particular, America.
00:36:47.420 We are being dismantled from the inside.
00:36:51.720 So, you know, I'm just,
00:36:55.060 my fear here is,
00:36:57.140 is that people feel the problems.
00:37:00.200 They may not know exactly what it is,
00:37:03.280 but they know it's not good.
00:37:05.180 They know they're not being listened to.
00:37:06.820 They know their rights are being diminished
00:37:09.420 while other people get away with murder.
00:37:12.000 That's not a good recipe.
00:37:14.280 So, what,
00:37:15.560 is there a solution?
00:37:18.040 Is there a Martin Luther King kind of idea?
00:37:21.940 Is there anything that you've come across
00:37:24.040 that you went,
00:37:25.100 if people just can do this,
00:37:28.880 we can turn the corner?
00:37:30.940 I think if you say people can do only this,
00:37:37.320 then you get into the realm of populists
00:37:40.080 who spout all sorts of things
00:37:42.320 that people can do that don't work.
00:37:44.200 But in democratic, peaceful societies,
00:37:48.160 I think if populations become less complacent
00:37:51.720 and more involved,
00:37:53.540 if you start worrying about
00:37:54.880 what is it that my child is being taught at school,
00:37:58.340 you become active in the school boards.
00:38:00.360 Who puts these curriculums together?
00:38:02.760 How can I get involved?
00:38:04.200 From the bottom up,
00:38:06.280 more civil society,
00:38:08.480 more civil action
00:38:09.500 from the people whose lives are affected.
00:38:12.540 And then elect
00:38:13.600 actually really responsible
00:38:16.640 and responsive representatives
00:38:18.320 instead of saying,
00:38:20.300 okay, you know,
00:38:21.400 let these political parties
00:38:22.980 deal with it for us.
00:38:24.700 We're just going to pay our contributions
00:38:26.360 and we'll see where they come from.
00:38:27.920 I think that is what maybe,
00:38:31.980 and this is maybe an effect of affluence
00:38:35.140 and freedom.
00:38:36.540 I would rather use my children
00:38:38.640 and do what I please
00:38:40.320 and use my freedom
00:38:41.600 in a way that just gives me
00:38:43.060 and my community
00:38:44.000 pleasure
00:38:45.620 and the things that we like to do
00:38:47.300 than be involved in politics.
00:38:48.700 I don't think of politics
00:38:49.820 as a pleasurable activity.
00:38:52.960 But it's a necessary evil.
00:38:55.480 And so I would say to people,
00:38:57.220 get involved.
00:38:58.340 Get off your couch
00:38:59.300 and figure out
00:39:00.580 who are these people
00:39:01.400 who are running the show?
00:39:02.700 What are the institutions that they,
00:39:04.060 how much money do you pay
00:39:05.220 in taxes
00:39:06.160 at any given level?
00:39:07.640 And what do you want in return?
00:39:09.720 Who do you like to associate with?
00:39:12.200 And that kind of activism,
00:39:15.440 bottom up,
00:39:16.900 mother to mother,
00:39:18.520 you know,
00:39:18.760 neighbor to neighbor,
00:39:20.200 define who the people are,
00:39:22.100 who is the community
00:39:23.000 that you belong to
00:39:24.720 that is going to be
00:39:25.580 negatively affected
00:39:26.580 by all of these policies
00:39:28.120 that are being pushed down
00:39:30.080 our thoughts
00:39:30.600 and then act accordingly.
00:39:32.720 It's not pleasant,
00:39:33.900 but someone has to do the dishes.
00:39:36.820 Think of politics
00:39:37.880 as that kind of a chore.
00:39:40.200 It is.
00:39:41.040 It is.
00:39:42.200 You talk about
00:39:44.220 the loss of rights for women
00:39:46.060 and I want you to get into this a bit
00:39:48.540 because I hear from the left,
00:39:51.800 what rights have you lost?
00:39:53.500 I hear that all the time.
00:39:55.580 And I mean,
00:39:56.420 I can't give you an amendment
00:39:58.640 to the Constitution,
00:39:59.800 at least in the top 10,
00:40:00.900 that isn't being violated every day
00:40:03.780 by the federal government.
00:40:05.780 Talk about the loss of rights for women.
00:40:08.460 Well,
00:40:11.880 you don't know
00:40:13.100 that you lost something
00:40:16.420 until you don't have it anymore.
00:40:18.960 And so let's go back
00:40:20.160 to the time you and I met
00:40:21.480 when I was talking
00:40:22.300 to European women
00:40:23.360 about something
00:40:24.740 that most European women
00:40:26.320 back then
00:40:27.180 took for granted
00:40:28.300 and still in some spaces do,
00:40:30.520 which was walking around
00:40:32.100 in public.
00:40:33.020 Dressed as you please,
00:40:35.540 you can drive,
00:40:36.380 you can take the train,
00:40:37.880 that's the public transport,
00:40:39.320 whatever,
00:40:40.020 with no fear
00:40:41.080 of any kind of violence.
00:40:43.780 Now the situation
00:40:44.840 has changed
00:40:45.660 for many women,
00:40:47.480 mostly working class women,
00:40:48.800 because it's working class neighborhoods
00:40:50.500 that bear the burden
00:40:51.920 of the negative consequences
00:40:53.620 of globalism
00:40:54.660 and globalization
00:40:55.980 and immigration.
00:40:58.020 And now
00:40:58.680 some of these women
00:40:59.720 are really feeling
00:41:01.320 and seeing
00:41:02.160 what we've lost.
00:41:05.320 And then
00:41:06.120 they're also asking
00:41:07.140 because in Europe
00:41:07.980 it's you go to
00:41:09.700 the government
00:41:10.440 to help you
00:41:11.280 with your problems.
00:41:12.660 They're also
00:41:13.560 confronted with
00:41:15.040 governments
00:41:15.940 that are deaf
00:41:16.800 to their problems
00:41:18.900 and their wishes.
00:41:20.800 And so
00:41:21.300 you know,
00:41:22.960 we go back
00:41:23.940 to where we started
00:41:24.780 the conversation.
00:41:26.060 The federal government
00:41:27.280 is
00:41:28.800 violating
00:41:33.380 constitutions,
00:41:36.520 amendments
00:41:36.840 to the constitution,
00:41:38.060 laws,
00:41:39.140 either through neglect,
00:41:40.380 through ineptitude
00:41:41.320 and incompetence
00:41:42.340 or at times
00:41:44.480 also deliberately.
00:41:47.980 So what should
00:41:49.320 the people do
00:41:50.100 in response to that?
00:41:51.740 That's
00:41:52.100 the question
00:41:53.260 of our time.
00:41:54.480 And how can we
00:41:55.100 stay united
00:41:56.640 as a people?
00:41:58.600 Can I
00:42:00.400 ask you to bring
00:42:02.880 correct me
00:42:05.480 if I'm wrong
00:42:06.480 or
00:42:06.920 bring some
00:42:08.620 enlightenment
00:42:09.000 to this.
00:42:11.280 You know,
00:42:12.140 in
00:42:12.340 where you grew up
00:42:14.520 there was
00:42:15.780 genital mutilation
00:42:17.020 for
00:42:18.040 girls.
00:42:18.960 I think
00:42:22.660 we are
00:42:23.220 just
00:42:23.500 experiencing
00:42:24.220 that
00:42:24.840 in a
00:42:25.300 different
00:42:25.660 way
00:42:26.220 with
00:42:27.440 transgenderism
00:42:28.620 with the
00:42:29.680 youth.
00:42:30.140 I think
00:42:31.240 we are
00:42:31.900 we are
00:42:33.220 in some
00:42:33.740 ways
00:42:34.320 when we
00:42:35.600 inject
00:42:36.380 hormones
00:42:36.940 or stop
00:42:38.220 the
00:42:38.900 progression
00:42:39.820 a natural
00:42:41.040 progression
00:42:41.460 of a body
00:42:42.160 at
00:42:43.240 a young
00:42:44.560 person's age
00:42:45.560 and it
00:42:46.020 cannot be
00:42:46.700 reversed
00:42:47.260 isn't that
00:42:49.380 a form
00:42:49.920 of a
00:42:52.240 progressive
00:42:53.680 or a
00:42:54.360 just a
00:42:57.440 crazy
00:42:58.060 religion
00:42:58.800 that is
00:42:59.540 saying,
00:43:00.180 no,
00:43:00.400 you can
00:43:00.740 do this.
00:43:01.340 we should
00:43:01.920 do this.
00:43:03.540 So,
00:43:04.260 when I was
00:43:04.900 growing up
00:43:05.700 I lived
00:43:06.440 and I was
00:43:06.940 born in
00:43:07.420 Somalia
00:43:07.900 and female
00:43:08.960 genital mutilation
00:43:10.160 was
00:43:11.120 something
00:43:12.160 that was
00:43:13.740 like
00:43:14.320 celebrating
00:43:16.000 Christmas.
00:43:16.680 It was just
00:43:17.180 so commonplace.
00:43:19.760 Girls
00:43:20.160 who were
00:43:20.640 not
00:43:20.960 mutilated
00:43:21.660 were seen
00:43:22.360 as
00:43:23.000 filthy
00:43:24.120 or
00:43:25.060 children
00:43:25.860 of the
00:43:26.500 very poor
00:43:27.020 who couldn't
00:43:27.480 afford
00:43:27.840 to have
00:43:28.520 the procedure
00:43:29.060 done
00:43:29.360 and that
00:43:29.780 is in
00:43:30.120 so many
00:43:30.860 countries
00:43:31.360 the case.
00:43:32.840 And so
00:43:33.040 for female
00:43:33.840 genital mutilation
00:43:34.760 a tradition
00:43:35.960 that's
00:43:36.300 thousands
00:43:36.720 of years
00:43:37.200 old
00:43:37.560 the activism
00:43:38.920 is
00:43:39.460 how can
00:43:40.140 we stop
00:43:40.660 this?
00:43:41.320 How can
00:43:41.580 we make
00:43:42.600 adults,
00:43:43.580 grown-ups
00:43:43.960 who take
00:43:44.380 care of
00:43:44.680 these children
00:43:45.180 see
00:43:45.780 that this
00:43:47.120 practice
00:43:47.500 is wrong?
00:43:49.240 The
00:43:49.640 transgender
00:43:50.220 lobby
00:43:50.860 in the
00:43:51.980 West
00:43:52.360 and particularly
00:43:53.220 in America
00:43:54.340 is trying
00:43:56.240 to impose
00:43:58.220 something
00:43:59.220 that now
00:44:01.080 heavily
00:44:01.600 affects
00:44:02.120 gulls
00:44:02.720 more than
00:44:03.540 little
00:44:04.080 boys
00:44:04.620 trying to
00:44:05.860 impose
00:44:06.660 something
00:44:07.320 that didn't
00:44:08.160 exist
00:44:08.760 on everyone
00:44:09.940 else.
00:44:10.400 And it's
00:44:10.680 very important
00:44:11.540 in this
00:44:12.220 debate
00:44:12.600 to make
00:44:13.240 a distinction
00:44:13.880 between
00:44:14.780 people who
00:44:15.480 are transgender
00:44:16.480 who want
00:44:17.560 to have
00:44:18.060 these procedures
00:44:18.760 done.
00:44:20.120 They are
00:44:20.500 grown-ups
00:44:21.360 and we
00:44:22.500 should give
00:44:23.480 them every
00:44:24.560 liberty,
00:44:25.480 every respect
00:44:26.320 that we accord
00:44:27.160 everyone else
00:44:28.060 within our
00:44:28.560 society.
00:44:29.220 and then
00:44:30.040 these
00:44:30.400 transgender
00:44:31.040 activists
00:44:32.000 who are
00:44:33.040 preying on
00:44:33.900 children
00:44:34.300 and who
00:44:36.180 have
00:44:36.440 frightened
00:44:37.100 the health
00:44:37.920 care system
00:44:38.680 into saying
00:44:39.560 if a child
00:44:40.920 of 8 or
00:44:41.680 9 or
00:44:42.180 10 years
00:44:42.720 old
00:44:43.040 comes
00:44:43.880 and asks
00:44:45.300 for a
00:44:45.980 transition
00:44:46.460 from one
00:44:47.520 sex to
00:44:48.000 the other,
00:44:48.840 we should
00:44:49.360 give it
00:44:50.760 to that
00:44:51.380 child
00:44:51.760 without
00:44:52.520 consulting
00:44:53.060 with the
00:44:53.400 parents,
00:44:54.400 without
00:44:54.860 proper
00:44:55.660 mental health
00:44:56.560 care.
00:44:57.520 And I
00:44:57.740 think
00:44:57.980 that
00:44:58.500 actually
00:44:59.040 is so
00:45:00.260 wrong,
00:45:01.220 so dystopian,
00:45:02.640 it's very
00:45:03.300 hard for me
00:45:03.940 to understand.
00:45:04.940 People who
00:45:05.420 have looked
00:45:06.700 into this,
00:45:08.120 like Abigail
00:45:08.920 Schreier,
00:45:09.740 please read
00:45:10.300 her book,
00:45:10.740 I recommend
00:45:11.200 it to
00:45:11.540 everyone.
00:45:11.740 It's fantastic.
00:45:12.660 Who has
00:45:12.980 read into
00:45:14.300 what is going
00:45:15.100 on in
00:45:15.400 America.
00:45:16.320 It is
00:45:16.660 really amazing
00:45:17.500 to witness
00:45:18.120 this.
00:45:18.380 when I
00:45:19.640 finished
00:45:19.960 that book
00:45:20.420 horrified.
00:45:21.760 I thought
00:45:22.120 this is
00:45:22.500 really a
00:45:22.960 wake-up
00:45:23.320 call
00:45:23.780 for parents,
00:45:26.400 not just
00:45:26.980 for activists,
00:45:27.900 but for
00:45:28.220 parents.
00:45:29.260 And we
00:45:29.520 need a
00:45:30.320 counter-activism
00:45:31.380 against
00:45:32.220 these
00:45:32.760 really
00:45:33.440 radical
00:45:34.260 transgender
00:45:35.480 activists.
00:45:36.380 They pretend
00:45:37.240 to fight
00:45:37.920 for the
00:45:38.200 rights of
00:45:38.580 transgender
00:45:39.040 people,
00:45:39.740 but that
00:45:40.260 is not
00:45:40.860 their
00:45:41.280 agenda.
00:45:42.000 Their
00:45:42.140 agenda
00:45:42.460 is really
00:45:43.240 to destroy
00:45:44.060 our
00:45:44.400 children.
00:45:45.720 Is,
00:45:46.460 you know,
00:45:47.880 you have
00:45:48.440 studied
00:45:49.120 religion,
00:45:49.780 you've
00:45:49.960 looked at
00:45:50.580 it,
00:45:51.000 you've
00:45:51.800 been a
00:45:52.120 part of
00:45:52.440 it,
00:45:52.620 you've
00:45:52.860 been
00:45:53.060 outside
00:45:53.560 of
00:45:53.820 it.
00:45:56.320 Isn't
00:45:56.880 what
00:45:58.080 America
00:45:58.740 is going
00:45:59.380 through
00:45:59.740 from
00:46:00.280 many
00:46:00.980 on the
00:46:01.620 far
00:46:02.420 left,
00:46:03.980 isn't
00:46:04.340 this just
00:46:04.820 a religion?
00:46:05.940 I mean,
00:46:06.140 the facts
00:46:07.400 don't always,
00:46:09.260 I mean,
00:46:09.600 the facts
00:46:10.300 sometimes are
00:46:10.920 not there.
00:46:11.860 Sometimes
00:46:12.120 they say,
00:46:12.680 don't believe
00:46:13.160 that,
00:46:13.600 don't believe
00:46:13.960 what your
00:46:14.300 eyes are
00:46:14.800 telling you.
00:46:16.420 It's got
00:46:17.200 dogma,
00:46:17.720 doctrine,
00:46:18.460 and punishments
00:46:19.460 if you
00:46:20.280 stray from
00:46:22.020 that.
00:46:22.820 Isn't
00:46:23.100 this just
00:46:23.600 a really
00:46:24.560 dangerous
00:46:25.740 religion?
00:46:30.140 Wokism,
00:46:31.180 I don't
00:46:31.500 know,
00:46:32.080 they call
00:46:32.520 it critical
00:46:33.080 race theory,
00:46:34.040 critical
00:46:34.380 justice
00:46:34.880 theory.
00:46:35.900 We need
00:46:36.720 to find
00:46:37.060 a name
00:46:37.480 for it
00:46:37.820 that everybody
00:46:38.340 really
00:46:38.700 understands.
00:46:39.900 The
00:46:40.040 woke,
00:46:41.260 yes,
00:46:42.740 they do
00:46:43.600 have the
00:46:44.200 traits of
00:46:45.080 radical
00:46:46.700 religion,
00:46:47.400 fanatical
00:46:48.020 religion,
00:46:48.540 in fact.
00:46:49.720 And in
00:46:50.580 some ways
00:46:51.000 they're
00:46:51.240 quasi-religious,
00:46:52.360 but they
00:46:52.560 always invoke
00:46:53.400 science here
00:46:54.320 and sometimes
00:46:55.280 they'll present
00:46:55.940 you with
00:46:56.240 footnotes
00:46:56.900 and that
00:46:57.160 just makes
00:46:57.620 you go,
00:46:59.160 oh,
00:46:59.400 really.
00:46:59.860 but they
00:47:01.980 are,
00:47:02.940 as you
00:47:03.600 say,
00:47:04.460 yeah,
00:47:04.800 quasi-religious
00:47:05.820 and I
00:47:06.280 don't know
00:47:06.560 how many
00:47:07.080 of them
00:47:07.380 really
00:47:09.240 understand
00:47:09.920 exactly
00:47:10.440 what it
00:47:10.840 is that
00:47:11.960 they believe
00:47:12.840 in and
00:47:13.460 how many
00:47:13.980 useful
00:47:14.960 idiots,
00:47:16.400 but it
00:47:17.320 is a
00:47:17.760 phenomenon
00:47:18.180 and it
00:47:18.760 may have
00:47:19.240 to do
00:47:19.780 with the
00:47:20.500 breakdown
00:47:20.900 of the
00:47:21.900 meaning-making
00:47:22.520 institutions
00:47:23.220 of our
00:47:23.720 society,
00:47:24.660 the family,
00:47:25.460 the community,
00:47:26.480 the church,
00:47:27.300 faith
00:47:27.680 organizations,
00:47:28.700 all of
00:47:29.520 that are
00:47:30.700 going through
00:47:31.840 some form
00:47:32.440 of crisis
00:47:33.020 and people
00:47:34.000 are then
00:47:34.460 easily,
00:47:35.100 young people
00:47:35.620 especially,
00:47:36.220 young and
00:47:36.600 impressionable
00:47:37.140 people want
00:47:38.600 to belong
00:47:39.300 and here's
00:47:41.220 what's on
00:47:42.200 offer and
00:47:42.960 that's
00:47:43.540 really,
00:47:44.020 yeah.
00:47:45.040 I want to
00:47:45.820 talk to you
00:47:46.260 about
00:47:46.700 immigration
00:47:47.500 and
00:47:48.300 assimilation.
00:47:49.880 I am,
00:47:50.440 I'm so
00:47:51.440 sick of
00:47:52.080 being called
00:47:52.480 a xenophobe
00:47:53.620 because
00:47:55.000 somehow
00:47:57.540 another
00:47:58.280 I'm
00:47:58.700 against
00:47:59.300 illegal
00:47:59.980 immigration
00:48:00.620 or just
00:48:01.120 opening up
00:48:01.560 the doors
00:48:01.920 and saying
00:48:02.320 oh,
00:48:03.140 here's
00:48:03.820 somebody
00:48:04.100 with
00:48:04.360 five
00:48:04.960 child
00:48:05.440 brides
00:48:06.080 come on
00:48:06.540 in.
00:48:07.660 I have
00:48:08.020 no
00:48:08.300 problem.
00:48:08.880 I want
00:48:09.860 immigrants
00:48:10.840 to come
00:48:11.300 to the
00:48:11.560 United
00:48:11.780 States.
00:48:12.260 They
00:48:12.340 renew
00:48:12.780 us
00:48:13.020 because
00:48:13.160 we
00:48:13.320 get
00:48:13.520 sleepy
00:48:14.180 and
00:48:14.620 fat
00:48:15.100 and
00:48:15.340 lazy
00:48:15.700 and
00:48:16.700 immigrants
00:48:17.540 who
00:48:17.820 really
00:48:18.380 understand
00:48:19.260 what
00:48:20.620 America
00:48:21.180 has
00:48:21.680 or what
00:48:21.980 the
00:48:22.200 West
00:48:22.560 has.
00:48:23.280 I
00:48:23.800 want
00:48:24.280 them
00:48:24.540 here.
00:48:25.680 I
00:48:25.780 just
00:48:26.320 don't
00:48:27.160 and I
00:48:27.420 want
00:48:27.580 them
00:48:27.720 to bring
00:48:28.060 their
00:48:28.260 own
00:48:28.480 traits
00:48:28.880 and
00:48:29.040 their
00:48:29.220 personalities
00:48:29.820 and
00:48:30.100 everything
00:48:30.400 else
00:48:30.640 but
00:48:31.060 just
00:48:31.760 bring
00:48:32.120 it
00:48:32.340 and
00:48:32.780 assimilate
00:48:33.640 bring it
00:48:34.120 and
00:48:34.380 put it
00:48:35.140 into
00:48:35.480 our
00:48:35.740 soup
00:48:36.300 if you
00:48:36.780 will
00:48:37.060 is
00:48:39.260 talk
00:48:40.260 to me
00:48:40.620 about
00:48:41.060 immigration
00:48:42.260 and
00:48:42.760 assimilation.
00:48:45.180 So
00:48:45.700 assimilation
00:48:46.500 I think
00:48:46.880 the phrase
00:48:47.280 used to
00:48:47.680 be
00:48:47.940 the
00:48:48.280 melting
00:48:48.640 pot
00:48:49.200 and
00:48:49.520 that's
00:48:49.780 what
00:48:49.940 made
00:48:50.320 America
00:48:50.840 very
00:48:51.200 very
00:48:51.480 different
00:48:51.780 from
00:48:52.100 other
00:48:52.520 immigration
00:48:53.560 societies
00:48:54.200 and other
00:48:54.660 societies
00:48:55.160 that are
00:48:55.520 homogenous
00:48:56.000 and don't
00:48:56.460 really
00:48:56.840 have much
00:48:57.620 immigration.
00:48:59.600 But
00:48:59.880 I think
00:49:01.020 first of
00:49:01.600 all
00:49:01.840 what
00:49:02.400 everyone
00:49:02.880 tries to
00:49:03.740 make us
00:49:04.660 forget
00:49:05.080 is that
00:49:05.720 American
00:49:06.360 immigration
00:49:06.940 was always
00:49:07.740 selective
00:49:08.280 and the
00:49:10.300 selection
00:49:10.640 was yes
00:49:11.260 it was
00:49:11.700 based on
00:49:12.560 could you
00:49:13.120 become a
00:49:13.900 part of
00:49:14.360 that
00:49:14.560 melting
00:49:14.940 pot
00:49:15.340 eventually
00:49:16.000 or not.
00:49:18.680 And
00:49:19.040 what we're
00:49:19.460 being told
00:49:20.040 now
00:49:20.620 is that
00:49:21.820 the
00:49:22.340 melting
00:49:22.720 pot
00:49:23.120 is bad
00:49:23.820 the
00:49:24.080 structures
00:49:24.460 that
00:49:24.760 brought
00:49:25.260 about
00:49:25.640 this
00:49:26.000 melting
00:49:26.340 pot
00:49:26.840 are
00:49:28.040 systemically
00:49:29.240 racist
00:49:30.140 and so
00:49:31.380 we actually
00:49:32.040 have nothing
00:49:32.920 America
00:49:33.640 is not
00:49:34.320 exceptional
00:49:34.880 America
00:49:35.320 has nothing
00:49:36.120 to offer
00:49:36.820 the
00:49:37.200 immigrant
00:49:37.720 the
00:49:38.560 immigrant
00:49:39.040 has
00:49:40.180 something
00:49:40.780 to offer
00:49:41.540 America
00:49:42.000 and then
00:49:42.420 we're
00:49:42.780 distracted
00:49:43.340 with stories
00:49:44.140 of the
00:49:44.600 past
00:49:45.060 things that
00:49:46.080 Americans
00:49:46.700 did wrong
00:49:47.520 in the
00:49:47.900 past
00:49:48.260 but we're
00:49:48.960 not told
00:49:49.480 the whole
00:49:49.980 truth
00:49:50.460 yes
00:49:51.180 there was
00:49:51.660 slavery
00:49:52.380 in America
00:49:53.620 as there
00:49:54.140 was slavery
00:49:54.720 everywhere else
00:49:55.820 in the
00:49:56.100 world
00:49:56.500 but Americans
00:49:57.920 fought a
00:49:59.160 civil war
00:49:59.660 to end
00:50:00.100 it
00:50:00.380 Americans
00:50:01.640 had a
00:50:02.300 civil rights
00:50:02.880 movement
00:50:03.440 to end
00:50:04.420 Jim Crow
00:50:05.020 Americans
00:50:05.860 changed
00:50:07.060 their laws
00:50:08.120 and their
00:50:08.740 culture
00:50:09.200 and their
00:50:09.840 norms
00:50:10.340 based on
00:50:11.480 its
00:50:11.660 foundational
00:50:12.580 documents
00:50:13.380 that's the
00:50:14.240 bit
00:50:14.460 that we're
00:50:15.000 not told
00:50:15.520 so if
00:50:16.220 you want
00:50:16.680 to come
00:50:17.180 here
00:50:17.480 and you
00:50:18.340 know
00:50:18.880 anything
00:50:20.340 about
00:50:20.720 America
00:50:21.160 and what
00:50:21.540 you're
00:50:21.840 seeking
00:50:22.320 is what's
00:50:23.340 enshrined
00:50:24.040 in the
00:50:24.360 Bill of
00:50:24.620 Rights
00:50:24.860 and the
00:50:25.120 Constitution
00:50:25.720 then you
00:50:26.700 will hop
00:50:27.320 into that
00:50:27.860 melting pot
00:50:28.500 talk to
00:50:29.680 me about
00:50:30.220 even to
00:50:33.160 offer it
00:50:33.760 to them
00:50:34.240 is racist
00:50:35.220 and it's
00:50:35.640 criminal
00:50:35.960 you are
00:50:36.620 not a
00:50:36.940 criminal
00:50:37.240 Glenn
00:50:37.620 I know
00:50:38.340 you're
00:50:38.600 not
00:50:38.900 I know
00:50:39.460 you're
00:50:39.660 a
00:50:39.780 compassionate
00:50:40.300 man
00:50:40.800 I know
00:50:41.600 the fact
00:50:42.500 that you
00:50:42.860 are white
00:50:43.340 doesn't
00:50:44.000 make you
00:50:44.720 a white
00:50:45.200 supremacist
00:50:45.980 and what I
00:50:46.660 really love
00:50:47.280 about the
00:50:47.720 work you
00:50:48.100 do is
00:50:48.480 that you
00:50:48.820 push back
00:50:49.640 and you
00:50:50.620 don't stand
00:50:51.220 for that
00:50:51.660 and I
00:50:51.960 think that's
00:50:52.500 it for me
00:50:53.060 everybody
00:50:53.820 should stand
00:50:54.420 up to
00:50:54.720 these people
00:50:55.280 it's a
00:50:55.720 small
00:50:56.160 loud
00:50:57.720 minority
00:50:58.920 they have
00:50:59.700 to be
00:51:00.020 told
00:51:00.320 they've
00:51:00.740 really got
00:51:01.320 to be
00:51:01.620 put in
00:51:01.960 their
00:51:02.100 place
00:51:02.520 could you
00:51:05.260 talk to
00:51:05.660 me
00:51:05.960 you
00:51:07.580 you went
00:51:09.720 to
00:51:10.160 Europe
00:51:11.120 you became
00:51:13.160 a member
00:51:13.620 of
00:51:13.960 parliament
00:51:14.740 in Europe
00:51:16.300 you
00:51:16.860 married
00:51:19.440 an
00:51:19.720 Englishman
00:51:20.440 but you
00:51:22.040 he's very
00:51:24.740 tribal
00:51:25.340 about his
00:51:25.900 roots
00:51:26.240 he's a
00:51:26.780 Scotsman
00:51:27.380 I'm sorry
00:51:28.020 I work
00:51:28.760 with a
00:51:29.060 Scotsman
00:51:29.520 I'm sorry
00:51:30.140 I know
00:51:30.960 I know
00:51:31.700 the difference
00:51:32.140 I don't
00:51:32.400 want to
00:51:32.600 cause a
00:51:32.900 war here
00:51:33.280 but
00:51:35.780 and you
00:51:37.820 both live
00:51:38.700 now in
00:51:39.740 America
00:51:40.180 tell me
00:51:41.480 what you
00:51:42.180 thought of
00:51:43.080 America
00:51:43.580 from the
00:51:44.280 outside
00:51:44.780 and who
00:51:46.400 we are
00:51:47.040 now from
00:51:47.980 the inside
00:51:49.300 good and
00:51:49.900 bad
00:51:50.240 so from
00:51:52.620 the outside
00:51:53.200 before I
00:51:53.880 came to
00:51:54.340 America
00:51:54.800 I would
00:51:55.640 say when
00:51:56.000 I lived
00:51:56.560 in Africa
00:51:57.660 I was a
00:51:58.980 teenager
00:51:59.420 in Kenya
00:52:00.280 Nairobi
00:52:00.700 Kenya
00:52:01.080 and I
00:52:02.340 used to
00:52:02.760 be an
00:52:03.220 admirer of
00:52:04.040 America
00:52:04.500 because as
00:52:05.420 a child
00:52:05.900 living in
00:52:06.680 Somalia
00:52:07.200 we were
00:52:09.000 treated to
00:52:09.760 communism
00:52:10.460 remember the
00:52:11.480 world was
00:52:11.920 the Soviet
00:52:12.340 Union
00:52:12.760 and the
00:52:13.300 United
00:52:13.540 States
00:52:14.020 Somalia
00:52:16.300 under the
00:52:17.060 dictatorship
00:52:17.500 of
00:52:17.880 Mohammed
00:52:18.160 had
00:52:18.880 decided
00:52:19.400 to go
00:52:20.000 with
00:52:20.420 communism
00:52:21.220 and we
00:52:22.280 fled
00:52:22.640 communism
00:52:23.200 my father
00:52:23.780 fled
00:52:24.100 communism
00:52:24.600 and we
00:52:25.340 ended up
00:52:25.940 in Kenya
00:52:27.200 which was
00:52:27.780 closer
00:52:28.420 you would
00:52:29.760 call back
00:52:30.320 then maybe
00:52:30.900 under the
00:52:31.740 sphere
00:52:32.060 of America
00:52:33.340 and that
00:52:33.680 was much
00:52:34.100 better
00:52:34.360 and my
00:52:34.740 impression
00:52:35.260 my
00:52:35.800 prejudice
00:52:39.500 my image
00:52:40.240 of America
00:52:40.820 was it's
00:52:41.680 a great
00:52:42.000 country
00:52:42.440 it's a
00:52:43.040 great
00:52:43.200 place
00:52:43.820 I've
00:52:44.360 never
00:52:44.540 been
00:52:44.660 there
00:52:44.960 then I
00:52:45.800 came to
00:52:46.380 the Netherlands
00:52:46.860 and while I
00:52:47.600 lived there
00:52:48.220 especially when I
00:52:49.180 joined politics
00:52:50.220 the image of
00:52:51.420 America was
00:52:52.180 they're buffoons
00:52:53.040 they're fat
00:52:53.800 they carry
00:52:54.360 guns
00:52:54.740 they kill
00:52:55.200 people
00:52:55.520 they like
00:52:55.920 to invade
00:52:56.320 countries
00:52:56.880 and so on
00:52:57.940 and then I
00:52:58.840 came here
00:52:59.500 in 2002
00:53:00.880 was my
00:53:01.340 first time
00:53:01.960 and my
00:53:03.200 experience
00:53:03.620 was very
00:53:04.220 different
00:53:04.580 in fact I
00:53:05.120 always joke
00:53:05.700 I don't
00:53:06.360 think I've
00:53:06.740 ever seen
00:53:07.100 so many
00:53:07.480 thin people
00:53:08.180 in my
00:53:08.540 life
00:53:08.800 I was
00:53:09.120 in Santa
00:53:09.520 Monica
00:53:09.900 LA
00:53:10.340 yeah
00:53:11.540 well that's
00:53:11.980 different
00:53:12.280 come to
00:53:12.940 Texas
00:53:13.360 but anyway
00:53:16.400 so all
00:53:16.940 Americans
00:53:17.680 have been
00:53:18.940 welcoming
00:53:19.740 they have
00:53:20.580 opened their
00:53:21.320 homes and
00:53:22.080 their businesses
00:53:22.700 and their
00:53:23.200 pocketbooks
00:53:23.740 to me
00:53:24.660 and all
00:53:25.220 of these
00:53:25.520 people who
00:53:25.960 are trying
00:53:26.360 to come
00:53:26.820 here and
00:53:27.400 make a
00:53:28.140 better living
00:53:28.600 so my
00:53:29.280 image of
00:53:29.760 America now
00:53:30.380 is obviously
00:53:30.900 radically
00:53:31.720 different
00:53:32.200 from the
00:53:33.060 one that
00:53:33.640 I developed
00:53:34.200 in the
00:53:37.420 Netherlands
00:53:37.920 I love
00:53:39.080 America
00:53:39.520 I love
00:53:40.060 Americans
00:53:40.680 I'm just
00:53:41.680 like you
00:53:42.100 worried about
00:53:42.860 our politics
00:53:43.960 I'm worried
00:53:44.940 about our
00:53:45.520 universities
00:53:46.160 and what
00:53:46.580 goes on
00:53:47.040 there and
00:53:47.460 what our
00:53:47.860 kids are
00:53:48.260 taught
00:53:48.580 I'm worried
00:53:49.700 about our
00:53:50.400 education
00:53:51.000 system
00:53:51.640 I'm
00:53:52.760 especially
00:53:53.460 worried about
00:53:54.340 our media
00:53:55.180 and they
00:53:56.260 have taken
00:53:56.780 to
00:53:57.240 they've
00:53:58.400 abandoned
00:53:58.880 journalism
00:53:59.640 mostly
00:54:00.320 there are
00:54:00.860 still a few
00:54:01.380 left who
00:54:02.060 believe in
00:54:03.200 the institution
00:54:04.620 of journalism
00:54:05.320 but most of
00:54:05.940 it is
00:54:06.440 it's been
00:54:07.300 compromised
00:54:07.740 so I'm
00:54:08.600 alarmed about
00:54:09.320 that I
00:54:09.740 care about
00:54:10.540 what goes
00:54:11.080 on but
00:54:11.780 my image
00:54:12.540 of America
00:54:13.040 is one
00:54:13.640 that it's
00:54:14.300 still the
00:54:14.840 greatest nation
00:54:15.600 in the
00:54:15.900 world and
00:54:16.380 we can
00:54:16.700 rescue it
00:54:17.320 even with
00:54:18.180 all the
00:54:18.740 adversaries
00:54:19.400 that are
00:54:19.720 now surrounding
00:54:20.260 us
00:54:20.580 think about
00:54:21.260 the bigger
00:54:21.660 ones like
00:54:22.240 China
00:54:22.720 Putin
00:54:23.660 we've
00:54:25.760 just done
00:54:26.320 withdrawing
00:54:27.080 from
00:54:27.260 Afghanistan
00:54:27.740 the way
00:54:28.200 we did
00:54:28.600 that empowers
00:54:29.880 those
00:54:30.300 adversaries
00:54:30.900 and I
00:54:31.300 worry about
00:54:31.820 such things
00:54:32.380 but I
00:54:33.200 think America
00:54:33.680 is a great
00:54:34.280 country and
00:54:35.000 for people
00:54:35.420 to go
00:54:35.760 around saying
00:54:36.380 it's
00:54:36.680 systemically
00:54:37.240 racist
00:54:37.640 is just
00:54:38.300 BS
00:54:39.100 are we
00:54:40.480 ahead of
00:54:41.520 Europe or
00:54:42.260 behind Europe
00:54:43.200 in the
00:54:43.860 self-destruction
00:54:45.680 kind of
00:54:46.560 road
00:54:47.180 yeah
00:54:48.740 it really
00:54:50.620 depends on
00:54:51.760 you know
00:54:52.420 things can
00:54:53.560 change
00:54:54.160 very quickly
00:54:55.780 and I think
00:54:56.460 that in
00:54:56.900 America we
00:54:57.520 have enough
00:54:58.380 potential
00:54:59.280 enough potential
00:55:00.440 to do things
00:55:01.260 right to
00:55:02.140 correct course
00:55:03.320 in Europe
00:55:04.660 some countries
00:55:05.780 are doing
00:55:06.200 great things
00:55:06.820 I was in
00:55:07.880 Denmark
00:55:08.420 as you
00:55:10.140 read in
00:55:10.640 the book
00:55:11.000 reporting on
00:55:11.840 Austria
00:55:12.380 even now
00:55:14.760 the UK
00:55:15.240 post-Brexit
00:55:16.100 I think
00:55:16.700 they do
00:55:17.220 have a
00:55:17.620 fighting
00:55:17.900 chance
00:55:18.560 but some
00:55:19.720 countries
00:55:20.080 seem to
00:55:20.500 be too
00:55:20.900 far gone
00:55:21.680 in this
00:55:22.380 moral
00:55:23.440 relativism
00:55:24.240 not having
00:55:24.780 children
00:55:25.240 all of
00:55:27.080 these crazy
00:55:27.760 things
00:55:28.260 not really
00:55:29.180 having a
00:55:29.780 serious
00:55:30.060 discussion
00:55:30.580 about
00:55:31.020 immigration
00:55:31.740 and its
00:55:32.200 implications
00:55:32.740 for the
00:55:33.200 continent
00:55:33.540 so in
00:55:34.340 many ways
00:55:34.820 I would
00:55:35.060 say America
00:55:35.520 does have
00:55:36.060 a fighting
00:55:36.440 chance
00:55:36.880 still
00:55:37.360 but we
00:55:39.240 do have
00:55:39.900 to fight
00:55:40.320 though
00:55:40.580 we do
00:55:41.180 have to
00:55:41.580 stand up
00:55:42.120 against
00:55:42.520 these
00:55:42.780 people
00:55:43.160 the
00:55:43.520 difference
00:55:43.960 between
00:55:44.300 immigration
00:55:44.840 in Europe
00:55:45.380 and the
00:55:45.760 immigration
00:55:46.280 here in
00:55:46.820 America
00:55:47.200 we're both
00:55:47.860 having
00:55:48.240 immigration
00:55:49.100 problems
00:55:50.140 is there a
00:55:51.220 difference
00:55:51.520 yeah
00:55:51.920 what is it
00:55:52.760 oh yes
00:55:53.340 it goes back
00:55:55.140 to the
00:55:55.540 concept of
00:55:56.360 the melting
00:55:56.800 pot
00:55:57.120 America's
00:55:57.680 an idea
00:55:58.200 and people
00:55:58.620 want to
00:55:59.060 melt
00:55:59.360 into it
00:55:59.900 if they
00:56:00.260 understand
00:56:00.780 the value
00:56:01.300 of that
00:56:01.660 idea
00:56:02.000 Europe
00:56:02.820 and European
00:56:03.420 countries
00:56:03.820 are still
00:56:04.600 homogenous
00:56:05.320 nations
00:56:05.740 basically
00:56:06.160 they're a
00:56:06.520 bunch
00:56:06.700 of
00:56:06.860 tribes
00:56:07.340 and they
00:56:08.200 have
00:56:08.480 no
00:56:08.980 not a
00:56:10.060 proper
00:56:10.360 history
00:56:11.040 with
00:56:12.100 immigration
00:56:12.880 and the
00:56:13.240 only
00:56:13.500 immigration
00:56:14.020 that they've
00:56:14.480 been getting
00:56:14.900 since the
00:56:15.380 1990s
00:56:16.340 is not
00:56:17.280 really
00:56:17.780 selective
00:56:18.480 and it's
00:56:19.280 only if
00:56:19.660 there was
00:56:19.920 any kind
00:56:20.480 of selection
00:56:21.000 it was
00:56:21.380 selected
00:56:21.740 on who
00:56:22.800 is the
00:56:23.600 poorest
00:56:24.060 the neediest
00:56:25.120 and so
00:56:25.620 on and
00:56:26.020 then they
00:56:26.300 were put
00:56:26.980 on welfare
00:56:27.540 so the
00:56:28.420 immigrants
00:56:28.860 that they
00:56:29.480 have selected
00:56:30.520 are not
00:56:31.440 immigrants
00:56:31.840 that fuel
00:56:32.480 the economy
00:56:33.760 in the
00:56:34.200 way
00:56:34.560 that
00:56:35.300 America's
00:56:36.620 the
00:56:37.400 conversations
00:56:37.900 about
00:56:38.340 or debates
00:56:39.580 about
00:56:40.620 in America
00:56:41.920 about
00:56:42.260 immigration
00:56:42.760 are radically
00:56:43.520 different
00:56:44.100 and so
00:56:45.940 I still
00:56:46.400 think
00:56:46.740 even though
00:56:47.340 we are
00:56:48.160 seeing
00:56:48.520 now
00:56:48.860 the
00:56:49.440 border
00:56:49.900 all of
00:56:51.800 that
00:56:52.000 I know
00:56:53.120 that that
00:56:53.560 is really
00:56:54.320 really worrying
00:56:55.100 but it is
00:56:55.680 nowhere
00:56:56.160 the debates
00:56:56.940 we have
00:56:57.400 here are
00:56:57.860 nowhere
00:56:58.500 near as
00:56:59.240 bad as
00:56:59.740 in
00:57:00.040 Europe
00:57:00.820 if
00:57:02.840 there
00:57:03.160 was
00:57:03.600 I mean
00:57:06.680 I'm just
00:57:07.240 thinking
00:57:07.480 there are
00:57:07.780 very few
00:57:08.240 tables
00:57:08.840 that I
00:57:09.560 could sit
00:57:10.120 at
00:57:10.420 where I
00:57:11.640 would be
00:57:12.440 thrilled
00:57:13.080 not to
00:57:14.060 say anything
00:57:14.620 just to
00:57:15.240 listen to
00:57:15.920 the conversation
00:57:16.760 the dinner
00:57:17.960 table
00:57:18.440 between you
00:57:19.400 and your
00:57:19.860 husband
00:57:20.300 it must
00:57:21.960 be
00:57:22.300 fascinating
00:57:23.280 to listen
00:57:24.460 to you're
00:57:24.900 both
00:57:25.220 people I
00:57:26.700 have so much
00:57:27.540 respect for
00:57:28.220 your intellect
00:57:28.860 and your
00:57:29.520 courage to
00:57:30.640 say the
00:57:31.180 things that
00:57:31.820 you actually
00:57:32.520 mean and
00:57:33.060 not to
00:57:33.440 bow a
00:57:34.540 knee to
00:57:35.440 lies
00:57:36.540 I hate
00:57:38.420 to disillusion
00:57:39.140 you but
00:57:39.520 because we
00:57:40.100 also have
00:57:40.680 small children
00:57:41.400 we do a
00:57:41.880 lot of
00:57:42.180 toddler talk
00:57:42.900 at the
00:57:43.520 dinner table
00:57:44.100 I know
00:57:47.140 that I
00:57:47.860 know that
00:57:48.600 please talk
00:57:49.500 to me I
00:57:49.860 haven't talked
00:57:50.300 to an adult
00:57:50.900 in a long
00:57:51.440 time I
00:57:52.300 know that
00:57:52.740 feeling
00:57:53.200 I and
00:57:55.140 thank you
00:57:55.560 so much
00:57:56.280 for all
00:57:57.300 that you
00:57:57.600 do and
00:57:58.400 I hope
00:57:59.640 we can
00:57:59.880 talk again
00:58:00.440 God bless
00:58:01.160 wonderful
00:58:02.120 thank you
00:58:03.140 just a
00:58:08.820 reminder
00:58:09.200 I'd love
00:58:10.500 you to
00:58:10.760 rate and
00:58:11.320 subscribe to
00:58:11.940 the podcast
00:58:12.580 and pass
00:58:13.120 this on to
00:58:13.500 a friend
00:58:13.880 so it can
00:58:14.380 be discovered
00:58:14.820 by other
00:58:15.200 people
00:58:15.500 it's
00:58:18.420 what
00:58:18.820 do
00:58:30.940 you
00:58:31.320 you
00:58:33.360 you