The Glenn Beck Program - Ep 121 ｜ 'Welcome to Anarchism, Glenn' ｜ Michael Malice ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

00:00:00.000 If the state didn't exist, would would it be necessary to create one?

00:00:06.920 Do we have to have one?

00:00:08.880 That's the important question at the center of anarchism.

00:00:12.740 A few years ago, the idea of anarchism was unthinkable.

00:00:18.220 It still is if you just think about the anarchists up in Portland.

00:00:24.160 But there's another side of that.

00:00:27.460 People are sick of the state.

00:00:29.180 Government overreach has gone way too far.

00:00:31.540 Individual liberties are being stolen right out in the open.

00:00:35.100 Just ask the Australians. 0.99

00:00:37.120 And we're pretty close to that.

00:00:38.920 The state is supposed to provide stability, or at least the illusion of stability.

00:00:44.520 Governments are instituted among men to protect those rights.

00:00:48.300 But that's not happening.

00:00:49.460 Hasn't been for a long time.

00:00:51.140 And everyone is catching on.

00:00:52.800 All over the world, people are rioting and protesting.

00:00:55.880 You never see it here because they want you as an American to feel like you're alone.

00:01:01.880 But this debate, this movement, is happening globally.

00:01:06.820 We're in the middle of a moral crisis.

00:01:09.520 And the premise of anarchism is that the state is an attack on morality.

00:01:15.420 Right or wrong, it is about standing up to corrupt power.

00:01:21.380 Today's guest describes himself as an anarchist.

00:01:24.700 I love him.

00:01:27.580 The libertarian right loves him.

00:01:31.300 Anarcho-capitalists especially love him.

00:01:33.980 A lot of people, including Joe Rogan.

00:01:36.680 So-called communists, not so much.

00:01:39.080 Not so much.

00:01:39.980 Mostly because he speaks out about the evils of communism.

00:01:43.740 Because he knows communism.

00:01:46.100 Unlike his Twitter communists, he escaped from the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic when he was a kid.

00:01:53.880 His third and latest book, The Anarchist Handbook, is a collection of some of the most important anarchist writings.

00:02:00.280 Today on the Glenn Beck Podcast, Michael Malice.

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00:03:52.700 Oh, this is going to be fun.

00:03:58.080 Yeah.

00:03:58.320 This is going to be fun.

00:03:59.480 I don't even know where to start now.

00:04:01.960 Rosemary's baby.

00:04:03.700 You're being blocked by Mia Farrow, which you, I mean, you have to have a lot of things you wear as a badge of honor.

00:04:11.440 Sure.

00:04:11.980 I was Brooklyn Spelling Bee champion in 1986.

00:04:15.020 No, come on. 0.85

00:04:16.020 I was.

00:04:16.400 I still have the jacket.

00:04:17.160 It fits now.

00:04:18.340 That was one of the first of my many badges of honor.

00:04:20.840 Yeah.

00:04:21.040 You are diminutive, if you will.

00:04:24.680 Yes.

00:04:24.940 I'm 4'11".

00:04:25.800 Are you?

00:04:26.820 No, you're not.

00:04:28.300 Don't ruin my space. 0.99

00:04:29.740 You're a troll. 0.99

00:04:30.120 I mean, the, I mean, the, you are. 1.00

00:04:32.940 Look at our mics.

00:04:33.700 I know.

00:04:34.000 And if you look at the picture on the screen, I look like an enormous giant.

00:04:38.640 Well, that's because you've been eating all that KFC, Mr. Sanders.

00:04:41.220 I have been.

00:04:42.060 I have been.

00:04:42.560 I've let myself go.

00:04:43.480 I'm thrilled to have you on because you, you know, I was, I'm, I'm good friends with Penn Jillette.

00:04:52.260 I would live in a country run by Penn Jillette or not run by Penn Jillette at any time.

00:04:58.820 I think he's a good moral man and he's an anarchist.

00:05:03.260 Yes.

00:05:03.600 And a man of peace.

00:05:04.680 I remember my friend Maddox had been on his show and they had clowned him pretty hard and Maddox tweeted at him and Penn just said, I don't remember this, but if I hurt your feelings, I sincerely apologize and I'm sorry if it brought you harm.

00:05:17.780 And I'm sure he meant, and that's his personality.

00:05:20.400 He was on Howard Stern like 20 years ago and Gary Delabatti said, you know, once you held me down, it tickled me and it really, you're a big guy.

00:05:26.300 It kind of bothered me.

00:05:27.660 And he goes, I'm very, like he was obviously hurt by it.

00:05:29.760 Oh no, yeah.

00:05:30.160 He's, he's a really decent man.

00:05:32.140 And I think when you, when people think of anarchists, and by the way, I just want to say, please, I don't want to go to prison because I interviewed you.

00:05:41.560 Do you know what I mean?

00:05:42.200 Because I think we're, we're close to that.

00:05:45.100 We're all just going to be rounded up and locked into prison.

00:05:48.040 So, well, I'd be working for those guards because I'm looking out for number one.

00:05:51.160 So I got to turn that diamond, turn you in, Glenn Beck.

00:05:54.860 I'm not going to hesitate.

00:05:56.580 It's not even going to be a question.

00:05:58.020 I tell you, it wasn't, I was for peace.

00:06:03.800 He was just saying violent, he was making me say violent stuff.

00:06:07.700 He was threatening the vice president. 1.00

00:06:12.380 Most people think of an anarchist and they think of the black flag and they think of the morons up in, well, I'm sorry if that offends you, but the morons up in Portland that are just setting things on fire. 1.00

00:06:23.200 You mean Mayor Wheeler? 1.00

00:06:24.660 Well, yes, yes.

00:06:26.700 And, and, you know, you look at, there seems to be a lot of hate and just destruction.

00:06:34.960 And I think that's great.

00:06:36.580 Well, no.

00:06:38.560 You don't hate the state?

00:06:39.660 You don't hate an organization that keeps people from being able to say goodbye to their mom as she's dying in the hospital?

00:06:47.640 You don't hate an organization that tells a little girl she can't have a lemonade stand because she doesn't have a license?

00:06:52.340 You don't hate an organization that tells people they can't protect their families in their own home despite what it says in the Constitution?

00:06:57.080 I do.

00:06:58.080 Okay, so I do as well.

00:07:00.720 I don't know if I would classify it as hate in this case because I don't think we should go out and firebomb things.

00:07:07.920 I just don't.

00:07:09.860 I think we are way off.

00:07:12.860 I don't think so either, just to be clear.

00:07:15.040 Except you've got TNT on your lapel.

00:07:17.080 Yeah, well, you've got a skull and crossbones on your shirt.

00:07:19.240 Well, I wore that for you.

00:07:20.580 I mean, I thought.

00:07:21.860 Tell that.

00:07:22.160 It's a secret society just for you.

00:07:23.800 When they round you up, that's not going to help you.

00:07:25.900 Oh, I wore it for you.

00:07:26.380 No, really.

00:07:27.320 You made me do it.

00:07:28.500 Nalus made me do it. 1.00

00:07:29.760 I know, I know the bushes.

00:07:31.660 I'm okay.

00:07:32.360 Hey, the things that we see on the streets of just burn it down, explain what an anarchist wants.

00:07:49.700 Explain what the utopian view.

00:07:53.040 The utopian view is that the Constitution is going to restrain government, despite 200 years of evidence to the contrary.

00:07:58.900 That's the utopian view.

00:07:59.840 It's completely delusional and contradict history.

00:08:02.060 The anarchist view is you do not speak for me, and everything else is application.

00:08:07.100 The reason I put together the Anarchist Handbook as a collection of historical essays by various anarchists of the past is, as I say in the back cover, the black flag comes in many colors.

00:08:17.580 So, anarchism has historically been a doctrine of revolutionary terror.

00:08:24.000 An anarchist made Teddy Roosevelt president.

00:08:26.480 In Russia, certainly anarchists were bomb throwers.

00:08:28.520 In Britain, the word anarchist is synonymous with terrorist. 0.92

00:08:30.860 There's that sex pistol song, Anarchy in the UK.

00:08:33.220 They're referring to I Want to Destroy Pastors By is the lyric. 0.79

00:08:35.420 But anarchism is also an ideology of peace.

00:08:39.240 It is an ideology that says authority is not legitimate.

00:08:42.940 That the idea that someone who wins a popularity contest is going to have any kind of say over my life is a joke.

00:08:50.380 And the only reason we even consider this ludicrous philosophy of authority as legitimate is because we've been taught to the contrary in government schools since we were children.

00:09:00.640 So far, I agree.

00:09:02.760 So far, I agree.

00:09:03.740 So anarchism just means not having a belief in the state and believing as well that a voluntary society, a peaceful society is the optimal one.

00:09:15.020 But it's not utopian in the same way if I sat here and said to you, I'm going to cure cancer.

00:09:19.780 We would both think that's a great goal.

00:09:21.820 Doesn't mean there's not going to be murders.

00:09:23.660 There's not going to be other diseases.

00:09:25.100 There's not going to be problems.

00:09:26.160 There's not going to be hurricanes.

00:09:26.880 And by the way, Joe Biden has already made the promise that he's going to cure cancer.

00:09:31.740 Yeah.

00:09:31.980 Yeah.

00:09:32.140 Right.

00:09:32.480 Right.

00:09:32.780 So, well, first, he should cure incontinence.

00:09:35.020 But it is basically the idea that authority is inherently illegitimate.

00:09:41.620 And I do not understand how anyone, or I do understand, but I think it's unfortunate that people can look at the status quo and say this system is the best we can do.

00:09:50.260 Well, I would kind of fall where Churchill was.

00:09:55.640 It's the worst, but it's the best one we have right now. 0.98

00:10:01.040 But Churchill got his ass handed to him by FDR and Truman and Stalin.

00:10:04.140 And you saw what happened to Britain as a consequence of World War II. 0.98

00:10:06.640 It was completely marginalized.

00:10:07.900 And then he got voted out in favor of Clement Attlee, who introduced the welfare state.

00:10:11.380 So maybe Churchill wasn't as smart as historically we think.

00:10:14.460 Well, I mean, as people, you know, the idea, I think, would you say the founders were anarchists?

00:10:22.940 No.

00:10:23.660 They were not.

00:10:24.360 Of course not.

00:10:25.000 The founders were hardcore centralizers of government.

00:10:28.000 They increased the power of what became Washington to an enormous degree.

00:10:33.460 Correct.

00:10:33.940 But the original idea of the Declaration of Independence, of we're going to build this, then the Constitution is how to, and that's been violated from the beginning.

00:10:45.820 I mean, it just.

00:10:46.480 No, the Articles of Confederation were how to.

00:10:48.280 The Constitution was a centralization and an illegal one.

00:10:53.240 This is, go.

00:10:54.620 I mean, the thing I like about you is that you're a student of history, not like a lot of conservative pundits who just think Obama was the worst president we've ever had.

00:11:01.660 This, by the way, this is how you know if a conservative is worth listening to.

00:11:04.900 Ask them who's the worst president, Woodrow Wilson or Biden or Obama.

00:11:08.500 If they waffle or if they hesitate, you know, there's not even a cool, thank you, goodbye, good luck.

00:11:15.220 I love the fact that you ate Woodrow Wilson as much as I do.

00:11:18.040 It's not even a question.

00:11:18.920 There's no one even close to him.

00:11:20.640 FDR was at least, tried to fix America.

00:11:23.600 He was not an ideologue in the same way that Wilson was.

00:11:28.360 Wilson is why we're in the situation we're in today.

00:11:30.900 This is, Wilson was why the Soviet Union was in the situation we're in today.

00:11:33.840 Wilson is why Germany was in the situation we're in today with Hitler.

00:11:36.920 Like, all of it.

00:11:37.960 And Wilson was kind of Rousseau made incarnate.

00:11:40.580 He was really, you know, he regarded himself as a messianic figure.

00:11:44.920 You know, he said he was here to save the soul of the earth.

00:11:47.940 And that is Antichrist, basically.

00:11:49.880 I'm not a religious person incarnate.

00:11:51.840 But that's a big separate issue.

00:11:53.820 We're taught in schools two very contradictory things, right?

00:11:57.000 We're taught that the Constitution was this great idea that is a result of checks and balances.

00:12:02.820 It was almost impossible for the federal government to do anything unless everyone sat down and agreed with each other, right?

00:12:08.120 This is the story we're told.

00:12:09.660 At the same time, we're told, well, we had something called the Article of Confederation, but it didn't work because people couldn't get together and do anything.

00:12:15.780 The Aros Confederation worked exactly how the Constitution is claimed to have worked.

00:12:21.760 And then the Constitution came in and strongly centralized power over what had gone before.

00:12:26.900 And as the Anti-Federalists warned at the time, it was despite the talk of states' rights, they have created a leviathan and we're seeing it to this day.

00:12:34.440 So what about the argument that they made at the time, the trade between the states, the currencies, et cetera, et cetera?

00:12:44.560 Should we have been just—I mean, because really, the 13 colonies were more like Europe in 1960.

00:12:54.080 Or Central America today, in a sense.

00:12:55.700 They were kind of poor.

00:12:56.900 They really were mostly—North was more mercantile.

00:13:00.500 South was farmers.

00:13:01.580 I'm not going to say—it's easy to have hindsight.

00:13:03.980 Yeah.

00:13:04.480 2020.

00:13:04.980 But we have 200 years of data.

00:13:07.180 And, you know, one of the essays in the Anarchist Hamburg is by Lysander Spooner.

00:13:11.140 And that one quote he has, the one that everyone likes, which is,

00:13:13.900 the Constitution is either authorized, such as government, as we have had, or have been powerless to prevent it.

00:13:18.620 In either case, it's unfit to exist.

00:13:20.060 So what do you replace it with?

00:13:22.080 Freedom.

00:13:23.100 You replace it with a voluntary society.

00:13:25.800 The idea that, you know, people who go to—no Republican—people sit and think the choice is a Republican or Democrat.

00:13:33.980 And at the same time, every conservative understands that Mitch McConnell does not care about you.

00:13:39.700 No.

00:13:39.720 That Mitch McConnell is and will always be far closer to Nancy Pelosi than to the people of Kentucky.

00:13:45.820 Yes.

00:13:46.020 And that's whoever is the majority or minority leader.

00:13:48.960 George Carlin has that line, it's a big club and you ain't in it.

00:13:52.380 And this has been going on for a very long time.

00:13:55.060 Even when conservatives talk about how great it was when Reagan sat down with Tip O'Neill, they still exploded the budget at the time.

00:14:03.020 I mean, Reagan was a great president, especially in international affairs.

00:14:05.960 But in terms of spending, this was the big kind of deal with the devil.

00:14:10.700 Lead forward, yeah.

00:14:11.200 Right.

00:14:11.520 Like, I'm going to get my tax cuts and you guys get your spending increases and we both go home and sell it to our voters and everyone wins.

00:14:19.260 But the people who lose are the American people.

00:14:21.040 And we also saw it under Trump.

00:14:22.520 What he had, like $7 trillion to the national debt.

00:14:26.060 It's a quarter of the national debt.

00:14:27.800 And now the Democrats are correctly throwing in the Republicans' faces.

00:14:31.060 They're saying, you're going to be fiscal conservatives now.

00:14:33.420 Where were you when you guys had the congressional majority?

00:14:35.960 There was not even an attempt.

00:14:37.500 No one is even talking about cutting one cent from Obama's budget.

00:14:42.000 If President Trump said, we're going to go back to the budget from before Obama was in president, 2008, he would have no votes.

00:14:50.800 And that is how Washington works and will always work.

00:14:54.240 It always increases.

00:14:55.640 One hand washes another and never decreases.

00:14:57.760 So, a big aspect of anarchism is very strong decentralization.

00:15:03.840 Then it becomes, wait a minute, we can't do that because China is going to invade. 0.70

00:15:08.080 China has invaded Canada. 0.56

00:15:09.580 China has invaded Britain. 0.99

00:15:11.160 This Chinese boogeyman, and I'm not saying the Chinese, they're a very evil country. 1.00

00:15:15.140 They definitely have world designs. 0.99

00:15:17.100 That's not even a question.

00:15:17.980 But to say that we have to live our lives to do the opposite of whatever China wants is, in effect, to let them lead us. 0.90

00:15:26.280 And I do not want to be led by the Chinese or by the Washingtonians. 1.00

00:15:29.960 Okay.

00:15:30.120 So, with George Washington's farewell address.

00:15:33.880 Sure.

00:15:34.120 If we would have done those things, we would be in a lot better shape today.

00:15:39.420 Sure.

00:15:40.340 Wait, so it went off the rail in the 1700s.

00:15:42.660 You're admitting this.

00:15:43.240 No, I am.

00:15:44.560 Yeah, yeah.

00:15:44.580 No, no, no.

00:15:45.220 I think by 1830, America was gone.

00:15:50.080 Completely gone by what they would have thought was America.

00:15:53.580 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:15:54.640 And we were, I mean, people forget, free speech was a felony under Adams.

00:15:59.260 Oh, I know.

00:15:59.700 The ink on the Constitution wasn't even dramatic.

00:16:01.560 However, they reversed it, and their conversation about free speech is fantastic today.

00:16:09.280 They came back, and the arguments were, wait, even if it's a lie about the government, they have a right to say it and print it.

00:16:19.960 Because we can't tell them what, no, that's not true.

00:16:24.960 We can't be in that position.

00:16:26.500 I mean, their freedom of speech arguments under Adams, fantastic, fantastic, and should be read by everybody today.

00:16:35.000 Yeah, but my rights are not up for discussion or for argument, let alone a vote.

00:16:38.600 So the claim that Congress is in a position somehow to sit down and adjudicate whether it's acceptable for me to criticize them is obscene.

00:16:48.260 No, no, but that's what they were saying.

00:16:49.820 That's what that was.

00:16:50.520 They were in that position to have that discussion.

00:16:52.680 I don't want those men to sit there and feel that it's up to them to discuss whether I have rights or whether I don't have rights.

00:17:00.040 They do not have that right.

00:17:01.540 I agree with you.

00:17:02.780 I agree with you.

00:17:03.520 I agree with the idea that we're all endowed with rights, and there's not a limited number of rights.

00:17:15.300 Right.

00:17:15.720 It's an endless number of rights.

00:17:17.540 Correct.

00:17:18.080 I agree with that. 1.00

00:17:19.840 The problem is, and help me out with this, there's a lot of people, I mean, you know, if you don't look, anybody who says man is naturally good is somebody I could pretty much dismiss as an idiot. 0.99

00:17:42.180 Correct. 0.99

00:17:42.640 Okay?

00:17:43.320 Our nature, we're animals.

00:17:45.340 That's exactly right.

00:17:46.360 They're not naturally good, naturally.

00:17:47.640 Human beings are basically animals.

00:17:49.380 Animals are often kind, and animals are often cruel.

00:17:51.820 Correct.

00:17:52.620 And so, what are you going to do to restrain the animals when they get any kind of power at all?

00:18:01.240 Well, you have to make sure they don't get power.

00:18:03.000 Now, how do you do that?

00:18:04.000 You do that by having things decentralized.

00:18:07.720 You do that by not electing demagogues and not having paths for demagogues to...

00:18:12.360 That's not what people do.

00:18:13.540 People, bad people, bad people, stir people up to get them into the tribal mindset, and then we go conquer that tribe and then take it over.

00:18:24.540 You know what I mean?

00:18:25.480 That's a big concern, and this is a big issue why free speech is so important.

00:18:30.420 And it's very easy, and has been for 200 years, if you have a kind of a cabal having control of the megaphone and the microphone to dictate what the conversation is and isn't, anything outside of that, this network couldn't have existed 20 years ago, right?

00:18:45.520 Because you're going to have ABC, NBC, CBS.

00:18:48.320 There were three different flavors of progressivism.

00:18:50.600 You could go at home, turn on the evening news, feel like you're making a choice.

00:18:54.240 Noam Chomsky was also an anarchist.

00:18:55.600 He's a hardcore left anarchist.

00:18:56.920 I'm going to bungle the quote, but he says the way that they have control is having very intense debate within strictly limited parameters.

00:19:05.280 So now, thanks to social media, thanks to the decentralization of microphones like these, anyone, including some random jerk from Texas like myself, who has an opinion, is now in a position to go toe-to-toe with one of the apparatchiks from the New York Times.

00:19:22.700 And on the screen, we look equal, because I have a blue check, and now different people.

00:19:27.340 And here's the thing.

00:19:28.240 This is why we have people who are on the side of liberty have a big advantage.

00:19:31.780 There's an enormous asymmetry between truth and lies.

00:19:35.460 If I'm your good friend, which I am, and I tell you a thousand truths, and I tell you one lie, it's not like I give you a thousand.

00:19:42.620 The trust is lost.

00:19:44.360 So if you're presenting yourself as an organization, which is the newspaper of record, all we do is print facts.

00:19:51.560 As soon as you're caught in one mistake, people are suspicious.

00:19:55.180 But when it becomes a pattern, oh, you're manipulating me, you're lying to me, and once trust is lost, it's almost impossible to regain.

00:20:04.780 And that is why these people are back on their heels. 0.96

00:20:07.460 They don't know what to do about it, because for the first time in decades, they're being called on their dog crap, and they don't have the mechanism to resolve this. 0.98

00:20:16.360 Because historically, what they're in position to do was ignore these people, be just crazy letters to the editor. 0.98

00:20:21.820 I'm sure you get crazy letters all the time, and you can ignore them.

00:20:23.960 That's fine.

00:20:24.760 But now, these people who are calling you out, you can't just dismiss them as crazy, because people who are open-minded are like, wait a minute.

00:20:31.680 He has a point. 0.99

00:20:32.360 Maybe this guy's a jerk, but he's really pointing out a mistake you're making, or a best mistake. 1.00

00:20:37.620 Like, why are you pretending this wasn't a—and we just saw this the other day with Joe Rogan when he had Sanjay Gupta on his show, the CNN's chief medical apparatchik, and called him on his crap. 1.00

00:20:47.220 And the guy, you would think, if he had, like, Biden on or Kamala Harris, they'd be able to tap dance, because politicians are good at being called on their crap. 0.99

00:20:55.340 Joe doesn't. 0.99

00:20:55.840 Joe's really great at it.

00:20:57.120 He does not get enough credit of how fast he had been historically on his feet.

00:21:00.380 I remember there was one video when he—it's called a gaffe.

00:21:04.040 He had someone there, he goes, why don't you stand up and let everyone give you—so everyone can see you.

00:21:09.980 And the guy had been in a wheelchair, and Biden immediately pivots, and he goes, oh, how silly of me.

00:21:15.620 You know what?

00:21:16.040 We're all going to stand for you.

00:21:17.860 And he got the whole audience, and that's how quickly he caught himself.

00:21:20.680 He was very good at that.

00:21:21.700 But Dr. Gupta was terrible, because he goes to the CNN offices, talks to CNN people, goes home in his car, and never has to interact with the hoi polloi.

00:21:31.860 But now, as corporate media's share of the market is shrinking, they can't make bestsellers within their ecosystem.

00:21:38.020 They have to go out to the blogs, to the podcasts, to the internet, where all the energy and the intellectual momentum is.

00:21:45.000 And that's when they're exposed, because they're not in their little fortress where they're immune from criticism.

00:21:49.840 So here's where we have a real problem in the country, I think, is we have the politicians who know they're in trouble.

00:21:58.340 Yes.

00:21:58.900 They just know they're in trouble.

00:22:00.760 Then you have the media who knows they're in trouble.

00:22:04.120 To some extent.

00:22:04.940 Some are very delusional, I think.

00:22:06.320 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:22:06.940 But anybody who has open eyes can see on the horizon.

00:22:10.960 It's not going to end well for us.

00:22:12.500 And then you have social media and Google that temporarily need some things from the government, and the government knows, I'll give you these things if you help me control these people.

00:22:27.760 And they're all colluding together.

00:22:29.760 And it is a—and they're doing it with big banking now because of cryptocurrency.

00:22:34.620 We are in the—we're in a fight of the titans.

00:22:39.780 You missed the source of the poison.

00:22:41.800 Who are you missing in that picture?

00:22:43.400 Where does the poison start?

00:22:47.740 Who are the big villains here that you left out?

00:22:51.440 The universities.

00:22:52.780 Oh, yeah, okay, the universities.

00:22:53.700 The universities is where the toxic poison starts.

00:22:58.200 I was thinking more of George Soros, but I thought, now you—

00:23:00.420 No, it's the universities, because the universities train all those other outlets to be shock troops for the progressive militia.

00:23:06.640 So, once people who are red-pilled and who are skeptical of this kind of overclass start turning their guns—I'm not speaking literally—on the universities, that's when the jig is up for them.

00:23:19.000 And what's amazing is, as humorless, self-righteous, pompous, and obnoxious as corporate journalists are, they fare better in all these metrics than college professors.

00:23:29.040 If you see how they speak on Twitter—Lawrence Tribe is a great example—you would think he's, I think, a dean or he's high up at Harvard Law.

00:23:37.420 On paper, Harvard Law professor, we know this guy's going to be brilliant.

00:23:40.980 I mean, no matter what his politics are, this guy's no dummy.

00:23:44.420 But when you look how he tweets, it's like everyone's boomer grandma posting on Facebook.

00:23:49.560 There's no sophistication there.

00:23:51.680 There's just pure emotionalism.

00:23:53.380 And when you see how these people are exposed, and you're a big fan of The Wizard of Oz, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain, once that curtain's pulled back, it's like, wait a minute, I'm deferring to this guy. 0.99

00:24:04.060 He's a buffoon.

00:24:04.980 He might be very bright in terms of the law, but in terms of this political analysis, there's no one home. 0.94

00:24:10.720 And that is why I'm so hopeful and optimistic about the future of this country.

00:24:14.220 Because in the 50s, when you went to high school, going to university was the—

00:24:20.700 You're 3'6", aren't you?

00:24:23.560 I'm sure he's doing high strength.

00:24:25.300 This table is either getting bigger or you're getting smaller.

00:24:29.140 But going to college was the GI Bill.

00:24:32.520 This was a big accomplishment for so many Americans.

00:24:35.100 My son went to college.

00:24:36.360 My daughter went to college first in our family.

00:24:38.380 This was a big step up for many Americans.

00:24:40.160 Now, people are realizing, wait a minute.

00:24:43.440 First of all, there's alternatives.

00:24:44.840 Why am I wasting four years of my life throwing money down the drain when I can start a business online and I get my resume?

00:24:50.820 So these are two paths that are being built right now to getting good resume and skills.

00:24:54.420 But second, my daughter, who's this beautiful kid who loves me, we have fun at Thanksgiving, goes off to Columbia, comes home as a swamp walrus who's unrecognizable.

00:25:03.920 Why am I doing this to my family?

00:25:05.840 And turning Americans against the university system, not against intelligence, not against education, specific against the university system, is really going to be the next step.

00:25:16.140 And they're not going to see it coming, and it's going to be absolutely beautiful.

00:25:19.100 One of the things I propose—just one quick thing quickly—is to seize all university endowments and distribute that money as reparations.

00:25:26.220 Because that turns two big elements of the left against each other, and that is where the mayhem and where I kind of thrive.

00:25:32.160 But wouldn't that, for an anarchist, wouldn't that be the worst thing to do to seize somebody's property?

00:25:42.260 Yeah, I'll bite that bullet. 0.99

00:25:46.460 Okay. 1.00

00:25:47.540 All right.

00:25:48.520 And you're dead serious.

00:25:49.720 Oh, yeah.

00:25:50.260 Yeah.

00:25:53.620 All right.

00:25:54.540 All right.

00:25:55.740 All right.

00:25:56.460 So, how is it going to happen with the universities?

00:26:00.900 You say they're not going to see it coming.

00:26:03.060 I'm not suggesting—do you see this?

00:26:06.620 Because I think we're running out of time.

00:26:08.120 I think a giant cage is being made for America and the world. 0.77

00:26:11.600 The cage has been there for a long time.

00:26:13.180 Yeah, I agree with that.

00:26:14.280 So, it's not being made.

00:26:15.120 It had been made.

00:26:15.920 You're seeing it now.

00:26:16.660 Yeah, but you're—I think you are seeing—you remember the Johnny Cash song, One Piece at a Time?

00:26:21.840 Sure.

00:26:22.120 Okay.

00:26:22.860 I think that's—it's been happening for a hundred years.

00:26:26.240 Correct.

00:26:26.580 It's been a hundred years.

00:26:27.860 And—but now they're just throwing in the final pieces here.

00:26:32.120 You know, the financial stuff.

00:26:33.660 The Great Reset stuff is terrifying.

00:26:35.780 Terrifying.

00:26:36.620 And it's going to take an event or the economy tanking, which is on the horizon.

00:26:42.280 Something's going to happen, and it's lockdown.

00:26:45.460 We had lockdown, and we survived it.

00:26:47.100 Don't you get it?

00:26:47.580 So, this—it's always better—Martin Luther King, who I—you know, I know boomers love him, so I kind of hesitant to quote him.

00:26:54.800 But something that he did very effectively and why he won is that he forced racists to go face-to-face with the consequences of their racism. 0.87

00:27:03.640 He said, look, you can hate black people.

00:27:05.780 You could think we should be Jim Crow, all that, so on and so forth. 0.98

00:27:08.060 Are you comfortable with men and women in suits who are standing there to be attacked by dogs and fire hoses and cops?

00:27:16.760 Is this really what you're comfortable with?

00:27:18.340 And there's many people who were still racist, who were still prejudiced, who were like, you know what?

00:27:22.260 That's too much.

00:27:22.980 I'm not for this.

00:27:23.940 Dondi and Martin Luther King had that.

00:27:25.200 And they were like, I can be prejudiced and think the races are separate, but this is not what I'm for.

00:27:30.400 Correct.

00:27:30.560 So it's—and using force is always more expensive.

00:27:35.340 First of all, the people who are implementing the force are putting themselves in danger, which most people don't want to do.

00:27:39.740 And second, people who are in the middle—and, you know, you and I are political animals, but we realize most people shouldn't or want to care about politics.

00:27:46.180 They just want to live their lives, feed their families, go to their jobs.

00:27:48.520 If they turn on the TV and they see authoritarian force, many of them will love it because, as Mencken said, the average man does not want to be free.

00:27:55.420 He simply wants to be safe.

00:27:56.480 But many of them are like, wait a minute, you don't have to be Republican, Democrat, liberal, whatever.

00:28:01.480 In Canada, as I'm sure you've covered on the show, they were arresting pastors for having a church service.

00:28:06.200 You do not have to be a Christian to turn the TV on and be like, wait a minute, how did we get to this point?

00:28:11.700 Justin Trudeau won a re-election.

00:28:13.560 He got the same exact number of seats as he did.

00:28:16.340 I'm not saying this hope for Canada, by the way.

00:28:18.120 What I'm saying is in America, where we actually have a semblance of freedom, people who do not have political persuasions see things like this and they recoil.

00:28:25.920 So I would I would agree with you if we hadn't have just gone through and still going through two years of lockdown vaccine mandates that it's not even a law.

00:28:35.480 It's not even it's not even a little note from the president.

00:28:39.220 And you have people following the vaccine mandates.

00:28:42.840 Oh, I'm not saying it's great that we have vaccine mandates.

00:28:46.300 What I'm saying is it's always preferable when authoritarians have to show their hands and use force than when they use persuasion because it becomes costlier for them.

00:28:56.220 And just like buying a car at a certain point, if things become too expensive, they stop doing it.

00:29:01.860 When the cost of anything outweigh the benefits, you stop doing it.

00:29:05.240 Prohibition. Prohibition is a great example. 0.96

00:29:07.380 At a certain point, the violence, especially toward the violence toward police, became so expensive that the cops were like, we're not doing this anymore.

00:29:14.240 I'm not getting shot because someone wants to have moonshine.

00:29:16.900 And the law, the Constitution, there was that senator, I forget his name, who said it'll be easier for a hummingbird to fly to the moon with the Washington Monument tied to its tail than that prohibition will be repealed.

00:29:28.420 And it was repealed within, what, 12 years because the costs became too expensive.

00:29:34.780 And that is what's going to end up happening at a certain point.

00:29:37.960 People are going to be like, we're not doing this.

00:29:40.120 And it's just going to ratchet up.

00:29:41.740 And I think so does it concern you, though?

00:29:44.000 So, I mean, because I agree with you, but we're living now in a different world.

00:29:48.220 We're living in a world where AI is playing a bigger role.

00:29:54.040 Surveillance is off the charts.

00:29:56.580 I mean, you know, you turn this country dark, which I think we're there.

00:30:03.660 I mean, Afghanistan showed me we are not the country I always hoped that we were. 1.00

00:30:08.500 You turn this country loose to, you know, people who just want power.

00:30:16.840 We're going to make the Nazis look like rookies. 0.95

00:30:19.080 But we've had, I mean, we've had this for 100 years.

00:30:21.500 Which president didn't just want power?

00:30:23.480 I mean, do you really think FDR, like we said earlier, maybe Warren Harding didn't?

00:30:28.960 I don't think Calvin Coolidge did.

00:30:31.320 Well, he fell into the White House by accident, basically, because he was, you know, this lucky guy.

00:30:35.280 But he was great.

00:30:35.980 But especially Congress people, they certainly want power.

00:30:39.040 Washington has always wanted more and more power.

00:30:41.780 They'll say something to the contrary to your face.

00:30:44.620 But the problem is, and help me, because, you know, you could talk me into being an anarchist.

00:30:52.100 If it's like Penn Jillette, I could go there.

00:30:54.340 So, but I, you know, the problem has been they defanged the Senate from being a protector of the states.

00:31:11.800 Right.

00:31:12.980 Woodrow Wilson changed everything.

00:31:15.700 Taxes, the way we consume news.

00:31:19.440 Absolutely everything.

00:31:20.340 And so they, there's no, and right now, there's no balance of government.

00:31:27.340 They, so, what, who foresaw a branch saying, oh, I don't want my power.

00:31:34.600 I just want to sit here.

00:31:35.600 You go do all of that.

00:31:37.400 The idea was that these three branches were supposed to protect their turf.

00:31:43.200 Congress just gave it up.

00:31:44.620 Just gave it up.

00:31:45.520 And, and really, so is the Supreme Court.

00:31:48.820 I mean, so.

00:31:51.280 I'm not, I understand the question.

00:31:53.120 You're not going to find solace through Washington.

00:31:55.340 Like, you're certainly, as an anarchist, I'm not going to say Washington's going to have the answers.

00:31:58.580 And conservatives recently realized, if you're fighting the battle of Washington, you're fighting in the fourth quarter.

00:32:03.480 Because by the time it gets to, Washington's the implementation.

00:32:05.980 I know.

00:32:06.220 The ideas start at the universities.

00:32:08.160 They're promulgated through government schools and public school teachers, as well as through the entertainment system.

00:32:13.020 So by the time people are making a decision in the ballot box, it's already, it's a better done deal.

00:32:17.720 So we've been saying.

00:32:18.160 Can I just say one thing?

00:32:19.120 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:32:19.220 You bring up Penn Jillette.

00:32:20.320 But your conservatives are engaged in falling for misdirection.

00:32:24.720 Because you think the battle is between Pelosi and McConnell.

00:32:27.060 I don't.

00:32:27.600 No, I'm just saying they often do.

00:32:28.820 They think, well, we've got to get the Republicans in.

00:32:30.420 As long as we get a Republican Congress and president, we're going to win.

00:32:33.340 And then when they have that, they're like, well, what happened?

00:32:35.580 What happened?

00:32:36.060 Nothing.

00:32:36.740 At best, the Republicans are just to slow the destruction down.

00:32:41.640 They're a speed bump at best.

00:32:43.480 You know my quote, conservatism is progressivism driving the speed limit.

00:32:46.720 So the Democrats are going to, this is how it happens.

00:32:49.460 It's happening right now.

00:32:50.460 The Democrats say we're going to add $3.5 trillion.

00:32:54.740 And then the conservatives say, let's make it $1 trillion.

00:32:58.140 Oh, how embarrassing.

00:33:00.620 I only got to spend $1 trillion.

00:33:02.420 You got, you conservatives.

00:33:04.180 And they're like, yeah, that would be great.

00:33:05.780 I mean, you're laughing, but that's the farce.

00:33:07.700 No, I know it is.

00:33:08.560 I know it is.

00:33:09.200 There's not been one department that the conservatives have even tried to repeal.

00:33:14.720 You would think at least they would do it just to get their base excited.

00:33:17.960 Like, oh, we're going to repeal Department of Energy.

00:33:19.940 Like, come on, vote for us.

00:33:20.960 Give us donor money.

00:33:21.920 They don't even, it's not even a pretense.

00:33:23.440 No, I know.

00:33:23.740 I mean, I think the only kind of president that would be worthy, would be able to change anything, would be the guy who, but he'd never be elected, would be the guy who says, see all these departments?

00:33:38.660 I closed them all.

00:33:40.740 See the rents for all the property in Washington, D.C.?

00:33:45.320 You should sell now, because when I get in, that's all going away.

00:33:50.060 All of that's going away.

00:33:51.300 And whoever owns a house in this area, you're going to have a hard time selling it, because I'm shutting it all down.

00:33:56.440 Yeah, but your beloved constitution means he doesn't have the power to do that, because he's not going to be able to get it through Congress.

00:34:01.660 No, he can shut down the administrations.

00:34:05.520 That's the administrative state.

00:34:07.120 Sure, but I mean, they're going to be able to over, they're going to have the super majorities to override him.

00:34:12.340 The budgets are going to be, the money's still going to be spent.

00:34:14.840 They're going to impeach him and get him out of there.

00:34:16.600 What I said to you is, it would never happen.

00:34:20.560 No, but even if it did happen, he still wouldn't be able to implement what you asked for.

00:34:23.700 Even if he got voted in and he said all those things, how is he going to get it through the system?

00:34:29.900 He would have to be, unlike when Donald Trump was in, it was amazing, how much he exposed.

00:34:36.720 He was just like a walking hand grenade.

00:34:38.560 Yeah, it's great.

00:34:39.160 You know what I mean?

00:34:39.700 Oh, I loved it.

00:34:40.220 It was great.

00:34:41.100 It was great.

00:34:42.260 He'd throw a hand grenade into a room and a wall would come down and everybody would be arguing about that.

00:34:47.860 And you'd be like, wait, wait, what's in that other room where we didn't know the wall was coming down?

00:34:53.160 I mean, he exposed a lot.

00:34:55.760 He forced them to go off script and start doing improv.

00:34:59.700 Because you never knew what was going to come out of his mouth next.

00:35:03.540 The Republicans, oh, Nancy Pelosi, blah, blah, blah.

00:35:06.660 Mitch McConnell goes in front of the camera and says with a straight face, or Kevin McCarthy, send me money. 0.57

00:35:13.100 I'm going to fight those evil Democrats.

00:35:14.780 And people send them money.

00:35:15.500 Give us votes.

00:35:16.060 Sure.

00:35:16.580 And Pelosi and AOC and Chuck Schumer say, send us money.

00:35:20.860 We're going to fight those evil Republicans.

00:35:22.120 And they do that, and they fight, and nothing really happens as a consequence.

00:35:25.480 And that's the script.

00:35:26.360 It's like wrestling, right?

00:35:27.220 It's a pantomime.

00:35:28.180 Then Trump comes in.

00:35:29.140 You don't know what this loon's going to say next.

00:35:30.980 And now they're like, wait, they're looking at each other.

00:35:33.020 They're like, what are we supposed to do?

00:35:34.360 And that's why both of them were against him.

00:35:36.660 Yes.

00:35:37.140 He went in alone.

00:35:39.520 And you can't do it alone.

00:35:41.040 One guy can't do it.

00:35:41.980 And the president shouldn't.

00:35:43.020 I mean, the crazy thing is, is so many people were afraid of Barack Obama when he was in office because of the things he was doing.

00:35:50.960 And then the other half, when the next president comes in, the other half is afraid of what Donald Trump is going to do.

00:35:56.760 That's a sign this is broken because no president should be able to affect you like that.

00:36:02.260 No president, no one person should be able to have that.

00:36:04.840 But it's not broken.

00:36:04.940 That's the way the system is supposed to work by design.

00:36:07.060 It's supposed to work for the sake of the politicians.

00:36:08.880 So how do you OK, so let's just talk about and can I just say one more thing?

00:36:12.680 Because this thing is key, because it's not just about spending money.

00:36:15.780 You know, if we waste money, like worse things have happened.

00:36:18.460 Let's just talk about the depravity of the ruling class. 0.75

00:36:21.620 Amy Rohrbach got caught on a hot mic talking about how she had all the goods and Jeffrey Epstein.

00:36:26.480 Right. And ABC News was exposed.

00:36:29.420 The only person who suffered consequences that they were covering up for this, like the child trafficker was someone who was later at CBS,

00:36:36.740 who they thought accessed the file and they fought CBS fired the former ABC employee, apparently incorrectly.

00:36:43.280 Kevin McCarthy, I think he was either a House Majority Leader or House Minority Leader at the time,

00:36:47.980 fired off an angry letter demanding ABC say, wait a minute, you guys had the goods on this child predator and you sat on this.

00:36:56.040 You never called the authority. Answer me.

00:36:58.100 Have you heard anything about that since?

00:36:59.420 No, it's all for show.

00:37:01.040 They don't care about the most depraved behaviors of people who are powerful.

00:37:07.820 We're seeing that now in love.

00:37:09.760 But now we're seeing it.

00:37:11.160 30 years ago, you wouldn't see any of this.

00:37:13.720 30 years ago, you and I, again, are both old enough to remember that if it wasn't for the Internet,

00:37:20.440 people would say with a straight face that Monica Lewinsky was a stalker who is obsessed with the president. 1.00

00:37:26.500 And these claims that he had an affair with someone who's his daughter's age, it's crazy, widely discredited Republican talk conspiracy theory.

00:37:35.340 Until Drudge opened the door and changed the world.

00:37:40.000 Right.

00:37:40.520 So this is why I'm so hopeful, because now it's harder and harder for them to hide their depravity and malfeasance.

00:37:48.080 Except it doesn't seem to matter to a lot of people.

00:37:52.740 It doesn't.

00:37:53.280 It's never a numbers game.

00:37:54.180 I'm not a Democrat, meaning I'm not an advocate of democracy.

00:37:57.900 The majority cannot reason.

00:37:59.060 They're going to go with the winners, whoever the winners are.

00:38:02.760 Look at Nazi Germany.

00:38:04.600 I know.

00:38:05.240 I know.

00:38:06.040 I know.

00:38:06.520 But, you know, Gandhi, Martin Luther King, they were appealing to the Judeo-Christian Western civilization ethic.

00:38:17.940 Sure.

00:38:18.220 You know what I mean?

00:38:18.680 And Bonhoeffer did the same thing, but it was dead in the Germans already. 0.97

00:38:25.020 That was closed.

00:38:26.260 They had no Judeo-Christian ethic anymore by the time Bonhoeffer and Hitler were there. 0.87

00:38:32.020 And we're headed that direction.

00:38:33.760 I mean, I saw something terrifying last night, the new robotic dog, you know, automatic sniper rifle.

00:38:44.460 It's like we are not the people that should have anything like that.

00:38:49.020 We are headed towards real trouble.

00:38:50.800 That ethic has to be there.

00:38:55.220 How do you...

00:38:56.560 How are you going to enforce lockdowns if everyone has a robotic dog?

00:39:00.440 No, I mean the Pentagon with a robotic dog.

00:39:01.900 Yeah, what I'm saying is at a certain point, this technology becomes democratized and popular accessible.

00:39:07.140 I mean, the fact that America...

00:39:08.520 Australia...

00:39:09.200 I was on Elijah's show a couple of weeks ago.

00:39:11.720 So, Australia has settled, in my view, and I think the view of pretty much everyone listening to this show, the gun control issue forever.

00:39:18.740 Because the answer to gun control isn't the NRA.

00:39:21.180 It isn't arguing about gun control.

00:39:22.500 It's gun proliferation.

00:39:24.800 Because once there's a certain amount of guns in the population, you're not getting them back.

00:39:28.740 And everyone who's trying to enforce those laws realize, wait a minute.

00:39:31.640 If I go knock on those doors, the odds are pretty high that I'm going to have this AR point in my face.

00:39:36.580 So, I really better be careful of what I do.

00:39:38.280 So, the best way to fight law imposement isn't through discussion.

00:39:43.620 It's by making it...

00:39:44.960 Are you sure you want to do this? 1.00

00:39:46.340 Because it's not going to be easy for you to pull your crap. 0.99

00:39:48.720 And that's what America has demonstrated historically and what we're demonstrating now. 0.99

00:39:52.340 I mean, how many guns do we have in this country?

00:39:53.940 It's wonderful.

00:39:54.540 The more the merrier.

00:39:55.320 And I think some smart Republican is going to pass a law, like we had before in the colonial period,

00:40:01.400 to have gun ownership be a mandate using the same kind of principles as Obamacare.

00:40:05.520 If you don't own a gun, you can pay a fine.

00:40:07.540 But everyone in this state or country, or sorry, county, has to be armed.

00:40:12.400 Okay, so wait a minute.

00:40:13.600 Wait a minute.

00:40:13.980 As an anarchist, I don't believe, and I know how you feel about the police, and I want to get into that.

00:40:19.860 Sure.

00:40:20.940 You sure you want to get into that?

00:40:22.460 Yeah, I do.

00:40:23.040 I do.

00:40:23.680 Sure.

00:40:23.840 Because I look at the police as both good and bad.

00:40:27.460 However, the police should not.

00:40:31.700 Look, the reason why we have police is because I can't do my job and watch my house and make sure somebody is doing it.

00:40:39.500 I need somebody.

00:40:41.480 And it could be private.

00:40:42.540 No, no, no.

00:40:42.840 It could be private.

00:40:43.540 Security.

00:40:43.920 You need security.

00:40:44.420 I need security.

00:40:45.000 100%.

00:40:45.240 Everyone needs security.

00:40:46.060 So the towns, when we were little, we all got together and said, let's hire this guy, and he'll be our security, and we'll all put in for it.

00:40:53.320 Sure.

00:40:53.420 But I can't give him a right to do things that I can't do.

00:40:59.480 I can have a citizen's arrest.

00:41:01.440 I can hold them until we all get together and say, let's have a fair trial for this guy.

00:41:06.940 I have those rights.

00:41:08.380 The problem with the police is they take things that if I can't do it, they can't do it.

00:41:15.680 No, the problem with the police is that they're a government monopoly.

00:41:18.160 So the same reasons you're not for socialized medicine is why you should be against socialized private security or personal security.

00:41:24.420 Whenever you have a government monopoly on any service, whether it's education, whether it's health care, whether it's security, you're going to have no accountability.

00:41:32.780 You're going to have mass death, and you're going to have enormous inefficiencies and costs.

00:41:36.740 And there are also going to be a huge incentive for that organization to make sure the problem perpetuates because that's where their budgets increase.

00:41:43.520 So we saw in last year how the police stood down while buildings were being burned down and people were being killed, whereas when people tried to defend their property, those were the ones that the police arrested.

00:41:55.080 They bent the knee to Black Lives Matter, and people who were back the blue were the ones who were locked in jail. 0.54

00:41:59.740 Okay, but wait.

00:42:01.360 I'm a guy who has had private security for 15 years.

00:42:04.800 No one likes a show-off.

00:42:05.740 It has cost me an arm and a leg to keep my family safe.

00:42:12.460 Sure.

00:42:12.860 And I've had to do it.

00:42:13.960 Sure.

00:42:14.700 However, in those 15, 20 years that I've had this, I have recognized that even the best security people will grow the threat, grow the business.

00:42:30.360 You know, it's a private thing.

00:42:31.880 So it still is exactly the same, even if it's owned by a private individual.

00:42:37.280 It's not exactly the same because you're having very limited competition in this area.

00:42:41.240 If you look at Uber, like we're at the point in the market where if I came to you 15 years ago and said, you know, we should have Uber, you'd be like, look, only the fat cats are going to have limousines.

00:42:52.080 What about the regular people?

00:42:53.020 It's too expensive.

00:42:53.880 Correct.

00:42:54.020 If you make it easier for someone to become a security guard, someone, let's suppose someone's ex-military, right?

00:43:00.140 Someone who is trained or has to pass some licensing.

00:43:03.540 I'm not, I'm an anarchist, but still there's ways to kind of make it not.

00:43:06.820 So you're an anarchist, but you, there, there is some.

00:43:10.800 No, I'm just, oh no, you can have private licensing.

00:43:12.540 That's an easy one, right?

00:43:13.340 It's just like you have kosher food.

00:43:14.520 You know, I'm just saying to make it easy for people to get to where I am, baby steps, to have a, the police right now don't prevent crime.

00:43:22.420 They just show up at your house after you've been burglarized and take a report.

00:43:25.320 And there's not even, you know, it's funny when you watch sitcoms, right?

00:43:28.000 On sitcoms, a character will be burglarized.

00:43:30.020 The cops show up, they're like, we'll look around.

00:43:31.760 Even in this imaginary world, there's not even any possibility you're going to get your stuff back.

00:43:35.940 If security was private, right, completely privatized or much more market oriented, if you got robbed, that company who was responsible for security would pay you to get your stuff back.

00:43:47.280 It's insane that this organization says, we're going to make sure that you're safe in your home.

00:43:52.500 And then you're like, I got robbed and my kid got killed. 1.00

00:43:55.060 Like, man, it sucks to be you. 1.00

00:43:56.860 Well, good luck with that. 0.99

00:43:57.700 There's no accountability.

00:43:58.960 There's no pretense that you're going to get what your tax money is paying for.

00:44:02.960 So if you had it with a private system, if you had a competition within the security industry, just like with Uber, just like with health care, it would be a lot safer and there would be a lot more security.

00:44:15.660 If you want to find a cop, it's like the Bengals song.

00:44:19.660 If you want to find a cop, they're hanging out at the donut shop, go to the mall.

00:44:23.460 The places where security is private are the safest places.

00:44:27.600 If you go to a bar full of young men, full of testosterone and alcohol, it's going to be a lot safer than the subway, public parks and alleys, because those are the areas that the government has taken control of security.

00:44:40.740 Whereas a building has a doorman, a hotel where everyone is a stranger, not local to area.

00:44:46.520 They can commit a crime and get out of Dodge.

00:44:48.520 It's still safer for you in a hotel room than it is for you to be in Central Park.

00:44:52.660 I buy into all of this, but you're driving a car that is going in the exact opposite direction of where it seems the world is going.

00:45:07.420 Correct.

00:45:08.000 The world is going to bigger and bigger.

00:45:09.740 It's all going to fail.

00:45:11.080 They keep doing the same thing and just making it bigger.

00:45:13.760 Right.

00:45:14.420 Right.

00:45:15.080 This is why we're going to win, because they keep doing the same thing.

00:45:19.740 They do not have the ability or capacity to change gears because they also don't have the ability to recognize what the problem is.

00:45:29.980 They're all talking in circles to each other, CNN, The New York Times, Harvard and D.C.

00:45:34.540 So everything outside of this, they want to dismiss as either conspiracy theory, white supremacist, whatever word they want to use to kind of dismiss you and not hear it.

00:45:42.840 But increasing number of people are seeking alternatives to what we've all been trained to believe since we're children.

00:45:49.640 And at a certain point, it's going to be very, very expensive for them to keep the lid on that pot. 0.97

00:45:54.420 And at a point after that, people are going to be like, why are we buying into this crap to begin with? 0.99

00:45:58.680 This is America. 0.98

00:46:00.040 Revolution is our heritage.

00:46:01.280 I used to believe that.

00:46:06.180 I don't know if I believe that anymore.

00:46:07.960 But it's not a numbers game, Glenn.

00:46:11.020 It's every society is made up of intellectual elites.

00:46:15.560 And I know the word elite has some kind of negative connotations.

00:46:18.080 But I mean, people who are making talking politics, talking issues, and everyone else follows along because the average person does not have the interest or capacity to think through these things.

00:46:27.520 Just like you and I don't understand weather, we're not meteorologists, we're going to listen to the weatherman, whatever.

00:46:32.980 At a certain point, if you have enough public voices who are making things that make sense, that resonate with people, it gets harder and harder for the power elite to impose their will.

00:46:45.000 Because Trump was elected just out of spite.

00:46:49.440 People went to that voting booth and said, you all told me I effectively have to vote for this guy.

00:46:55.400 I'm morally depraved if I don't.

00:46:57.160 You know what? 1.00

00:46:58.180 Screw you. 1.00

00:46:59.080 I'm an American. 0.99

00:46:59.920 I'm going to do the opposite.

00:47:01.420 And I think we had a big fallback with the lockdowns for sure. 0.96

00:47:05.500 But there's plenty of people, and those are the ones who matter, who are going to make things harder and harder for this crap to.

00:47:12.880 And also, here's the other thing to be implemented. 0.77

00:47:15.740 Conservatives need to understand that it's not only the right where you need to look for sources for pushback.

00:47:21.520 Like unions have the postal office.

00:47:24.040 If there's any organization that if vaccines are to fight COVID, as they say, the number one group that needs to be vaccinated would be postal workers.

00:47:33.620 They're literally going to everyone's house.

00:47:35.920 Everyone.

00:47:36.700 So if they have a disease, everyone's going to get it.

00:47:39.020 You would think the one most important group to be healthy would be them.

00:47:42.260 But there's an exemption for them in Biden's law.

00:47:45.720 Right now, we saw airline pilots are fighting back.

00:47:49.340 We're seeing cops in Chicago.

00:47:50.580 I'm sure you heard that story.

00:47:51.760 They told Lori Lightfoot, we're not doing this.

00:47:54.260 So it's not always who you would think would be the allies who are going to be the organic allies when fighting authoritarianism.

00:48:01.180 Oh, I think we're in the – at least I am.

00:48:05.880 I'm in bed with the strangest bedfellows.

00:48:08.400 I mean, it's like, really?

00:48:10.400 I didn't think that – I mean, we're supposed to hate each other.

00:48:13.760 Right.

00:48:14.080 That's what they want.

00:48:14.760 Right, and I don't.

00:48:16.500 Or I could hate you on certain issues.

00:48:18.240 Sure, sure, sure.

00:48:18.720 And this one, no.

00:48:19.520 Yeah, but it's – again, I come back to the Bill of Rights.

00:48:25.260 If you can give me the Bill of Rights – do you agree on that?

00:48:28.600 Just give me 10 of the Bill of Rights.

00:48:30.540 Just the Bill of Rights.

00:48:31.460 Just second.

00:48:33.120 What?

00:48:33.620 It's the second one.

00:48:34.440 I just need 2A.

00:48:35.980 Right, but just do you believe in these things?

00:48:40.480 If you do, I'm in.

00:48:42.640 I'm in.

00:48:43.280 I could live next to anybody.

00:48:45.420 Just don't try to tell others what to do.

00:48:50.360 Well, you could try to tell them.

00:48:51.980 That's persuasion.

00:48:52.700 Tell me what you want.

00:48:53.540 Don't force them to do it.

00:48:55.660 Well, that's the anarchist principle.

00:48:56.960 So, welcome to anarchism, Glenn.

00:48:58.540 No, seriously.

00:48:59.360 That's all it is.

00:48:59.920 It's like, do not force me to do what you want.

00:49:01.820 You have to persuade me.

00:49:02.840 So, then how do you get the strange communist anarchists?

00:49:07.960 Well, the original anarchists were communists.

00:49:10.720 There's an essay in the anarchist handbook from 1867.

00:49:14.920 So, exactly 50 years before the Soviet Union was formed, Mikhail Bakunin, who was Marx's big rival for international communism in the 1800s, correctly predicted and anticipated what the Soviet Union would look like.

00:49:27.320 And his words resonate really strongly today because he talked about how we're going to have a reign of the scientific.

00:49:33.940 And the people who have science on their side are going to be smart.

00:49:36.840 And God help you if you're not one of these science people.

00:49:40.680 And when you read it now, it's just chilling.

00:49:43.200 So, they were wrong, in my opinion, because they thought, absent the state, everyone's going to get along.

00:49:49.000 There's not really going to be crime.

00:49:50.200 There's going to be this kind of working together.

00:49:52.040 That's not true at all in terms of their economic analysis.

00:49:55.480 Wait, wait, wait.

00:49:56.500 But that's where we were about when I was talking about, you know, natural man.

00:50:02.140 You know, they're animals.

00:50:03.620 And so, somebody is going to take it upon themselves to rule.

00:50:09.300 But that's the thing.

00:50:10.220 Like, when I go to the doctor's office, we're not equals.

00:50:13.020 I listen to my doctor.

00:50:14.120 If I want, I get a second opinion.

00:50:16.040 Here, we're not equals.

00:50:17.320 This is your house.

00:50:18.240 I'm deferring to you.

00:50:19.360 If I talk to my lawyer, my lawyer has authority over me.

00:50:21.620 There's no reason there's going to be one person who is going to represent you in terms of tax policy, foreign affairs, you know, every issue under the sun.

00:50:31.680 That makes no sense.

00:50:32.700 Nor is one person intelligent enough to really have a sophisticated approach on all these different issues.

00:50:37.200 Nor, you know, conservatives for years have been given a choice between Coke and Pepsi.

00:50:42.840 They're like diabetics being given a choice between Coke and Pepsi and wondering why their feet keep getting cut off.

00:50:47.760 The answer is to reject this entire system because that's got us where it is today.

00:50:52.520 And also, when you have respect for the people in Washington, when you think they're a lie, that they're in a position to make decisions for you in your life, that means sending your kids off to wars that didn't need to be fought and having them come home either in pieces or not at all.

00:51:08.560 And that is what respect for government means.

00:51:10.960 It means war. 0.96

00:51:11.980 It means death.

00:51:12.840 It means strife.

00:51:13.600 The alternative to that is freedom and peace.

00:51:16.200 And that is why you resonate so much with Penn Jillette's perspective.

00:51:21.680 How does it work?

00:51:24.160 You said...

00:51:24.720 I love...

00:51:25.400 I might give you a headache.

00:51:26.540 No, I just...

00:51:27.600 I mean, you're pushing me.

00:51:28.920 And that's good.

00:51:29.580 I like that.

00:51:30.200 I mean, that's what I wanted in this podcast when I first started doing the podcast.

00:51:34.040 I want to talk to people that push me into thinking, that are reasonable and, you know, have the same general worldview, but, you know, as far as peace.

00:51:48.040 Yeah.

00:51:48.500 So let me go to peace.

00:51:49.780 Yeah.

00:51:51.280 You just told me that China is a massive threat.

00:51:56.100 Sure.

00:51:56.380 So how does a group of anarchists, somebody who doesn't believe in military...

00:52:04.680 I believe in...

00:52:05.520 I mean, the Second Amendment was talked about a well-regulated militia.

00:52:10.420 What did that mean?

00:52:11.240 It didn't mean...

00:52:11.860 It meant everyone has arms and knows how to use them.

00:52:13.800 Okay.

00:52:14.040 So the difference is...

00:52:16.280 And I'm just playing devil's advocate because I want to understand.

00:52:19.540 The difference is, is that the Eisenhower farewell speech...

00:52:25.840 Right.

00:52:26.380 We blew that one.

00:52:27.560 Sure.

00:52:27.800 You know, we didn't listen to his warnings on that.

00:52:31.000 And he said, look, this is extraordinarily dangerous.

00:52:35.020 And he knew what he was talking about.

00:52:36.140 Yeah, he did.

00:52:36.580 This isn't a dilettante.

00:52:37.340 He was the leader.

00:52:37.980 No, he was the leader of it.

00:52:39.240 He was...

00:52:39.960 That's probably the last real honest speech I've heard from a president because he had nothing to gain on it.

00:52:47.840 And he said, don't let this happen unless you're vigilant.

00:52:52.060 Well, we weren't.

00:52:52.820 But his point was, we're doing it because now things are over in 10 minutes.

00:52:58.880 Okay.

00:52:59.140 We can destroy the earth in 10 minutes.

00:53:01.820 Right.

00:53:02.020 So how does...

00:53:04.480 That's why he said, we have to now have a standing military.

00:53:09.220 Well, all the things that he talked about, the influence of the universities, the influence of giant corporations that want war, etc., etc.

00:53:20.120 The influence of politics and the Pentagon.

00:53:23.300 Sure.

00:53:23.500 They all happen.

00:53:24.200 And the CIA.

00:53:24.960 And the CIA.

00:53:26.140 Don't even get me started on the CIA.

00:53:27.720 And now apparently the post office and the Capitol Police are informants.

00:53:33.840 And your neighbor.

00:53:35.040 Yeah.

00:53:35.300 So how do you respond to a threat like China? 0.95

00:53:47.180 I mean, who would run the nukes?

00:53:50.780 First of all, that's a good question.

00:53:52.540 This was a big issue during the 80s, right?

00:53:54.960 Reagan...

00:53:55.440 I talk about this in my forthcoming book.

00:53:57.600 Reagan and Gorbachev, I don't know if you knew this, both independently were taken down to the bunker and ran through the simulation.

00:54:05.340 About if there was a nuclear attack.

00:54:07.280 Both were...

00:54:08.000 They could have just watched war games.

00:54:09.340 Well, they both refused.

00:54:11.500 Reagan, his aide, said, I don't think he would have pressed the button.

00:54:15.420 He was committed to, if they nuke us, we're not retaliating.

00:54:19.280 I'm not going to have...

00:54:19.740 It's like a trolley problem. 0.96

00:54:20.740 I'm not going to kill millions of Russians, even if the Russian government kills us.

00:54:23.460 And Gorbachev refused to press the button, even in simulation.

00:54:26.540 He said, I'm not reciprocating.

00:54:28.320 And neither of them knew this.

00:54:29.680 So when they were having this negotiation, Reykjavik, they were playing...

00:54:33.140 They both had their poker faces on.

00:54:34.960 As if they were two hawks.

00:54:36.340 They were the two biggest doves.

00:54:37.880 And Thatcher was apoplectic. 0.99

00:54:39.900 Because Reagan, at some point, said, hey, how about we both eliminate all nukes?

00:54:43.260 And she's like, you can't uninvent something.

00:54:46.100 And this is when Thatcher's mask drops. 0.99

00:54:48.360 She goes, how do you know Gorbachev wouldn't cheat?

00:54:50.680 She goes, I would cheat.

00:54:51.940 So this is a great 80s moment where you had these three figures kind of parallel to the

00:54:56.960 40s when you had Churchill, FDR, then Truman, and Stalin.

00:55:00.740 But these were far better people than those three.

00:55:03.340 So what do you do about the nukes?

00:55:04.820 That's the same thing that happened at the end of the Soviet Union, right?

00:55:07.340 You have to kind of lock them down.

00:55:09.360 If we're at the point where the only issue is like working out the nukes, I'm sure we

00:55:14.580 could figure that out when the time comes.

00:55:16.400 It's going to be a tricky issue.

00:55:17.320 There's no question.

00:55:18.240 But...

00:55:18.500 But it would...

00:55:18.900 No, no, no.

00:55:19.300 But it would require...

00:55:20.700 See, the thing is, is we're talking about America.

00:55:23.040 Sure.

00:55:23.420 Okay.

00:55:24.500 And America has this thing that we're going to heal the world and the temperature thermometers

00:55:30.320 are going to go down because...

00:55:31.600 That's the Wilson model, yeah.

00:55:32.740 Right.

00:55:34.420 No.

00:55:35.540 Correct.

00:55:35.840 That's what always causes our trouble is when we say we're going to do something and get

00:55:41.240 the rest of the world to do it.

00:55:43.520 So China's not going to do that.

00:55:45.600 They're not going to heal the world and make the temperature go down by getting rid of coal

00:55:49.220 plants.

00:55:49.760 Not going to happen.

00:55:50.280 Not a possibility.

00:55:51.100 Not a possibility.

00:55:52.700 Not a possibility that they won't take their aggressive stance.

00:55:57.140 Taiwan, bye-bye.

00:55:59.940 They're going to.

00:56:01.100 That's who they are.

00:56:02.640 Okay.

00:56:03.320 So we can't just say, well, who controls the nukes?

00:56:07.420 Well, we'll have to negotiate that.

00:56:08.920 You can't negotiate with Iran. 1.00

00:56:10.860 You can't negotiate with China on that. 0.94

00:56:14.060 I mean, we have been negotiating a bit with Iran.

00:56:16.340 I mean, we didn't do it successfully.

00:56:18.020 Barack Obama paid them a lot of money.

00:56:20.360 Donald Trump, in effect, did a negotiation because he killed.

00:56:22.760 Remember that we have quickly to forget when Trump killed that big Iranian general who

00:56:27.880 was like the George Washington to the Middle East.

00:56:29.680 Oh, my God.

00:56:30.260 They're going to retaliate terrorism.

00:56:31.540 I could do that.

00:56:32.180 Then crickets.

00:56:32.620 Absolutely nothing happened as a consequence.

00:56:35.140 Nuclear issues and international affairs are going to be complicated under any system.

00:56:39.060 My big concern is to decrease America's bases all over the world to eliminate the idea that

00:56:45.760 if there's a problem anywhere, we need boots on the ground there.

00:56:48.360 We were told by the corporate press that if we didn't have boots on the ground in Syria, this is going to be another holocaust.

00:56:55.440 This is what they invoked.

00:56:56.760 And the Kurdish people were going to be exterminated.

00:56:59.620 We heard nothing about it when that didn't happen.

00:57:01.880 And it's amazing that all those people, those apparatchiks on those screens who are advocating for this, arguing for genocide, saying that genocide would happen, they had no consequences for their lies in demanding that American soldiers put themselves in danger for the sake of people who managed to do not well, but certainly weren't wiped off the face of the earth.

00:57:22.040 Well, I will tell you, the Yazidis, many of the Yazidis and many of the Christians were moved by my organization.

00:57:30.240 Good.

00:57:30.460 We did it privately.

00:57:32.120 I mean, they were in danger, but I agree with you.

00:57:34.840 But they weren't talking about the Yazidis.

00:57:36.560 We were.

00:57:37.640 I'm sure you saw that video of that Yazidi woman who was on the floor, was at the Iraqi parliament, where she said, they're coming to us, they're killing us, they're murdering us, and everyone else stood up with solidarity and put their heads down.

00:57:46.980 And it was very disturbing to see.

00:57:48.600 But no one, and they were the ones who were real danger, because they were people who have been around for thousands of years.

00:57:55.100 Their religion's very old, historical, you know, a very unique philosophy.

00:57:59.200 It would have been fair for all of these hacks to bring up the Yazidi people who were genuinely in danger, who were genuinely in danger of being wiped off the face of the earth because there's so few of them.

00:58:10.260 But no, they're talking because they want war.

00:58:12.780 They want blood.

00:58:13.920 They get their, if it doesn't, if it bleeds, it leads.

00:58:16.800 They get their headlines.

00:58:17.660 The military people get their paychecks.

00:58:20.120 And Liz Cheney gets another house. 0.99

00:58:21.820 I mean, how many, I have a hashtag on Twitter, hashtag limbs for Liz, because she wants, I want veterans to mail her their limbs.

00:58:31.500 Because how many, how many corpses does this vampire need to fuel her ego and her paycheck? 1.00

00:58:38.640 It's absolutely disgusting, this woman. 1.00

00:58:41.180 Oh, how do you, why do you even like me? 1.00

00:58:47.200 I mean, you are so extreme at times.

00:58:50.700 Extreme just means consistent.

00:58:52.100 You're not called extreme?

00:58:53.480 Yeah, I am.

00:58:54.180 You're called extreme more than me.

00:58:55.820 Yeah.

00:58:57.000 Because you, I don't know.

00:58:58.420 You're likable, I guess.

00:58:59.620 I don't know.

00:59:00.180 Well, that makes one of us.

00:59:00.840 I always thought I...

00:59:01.740 I never said I liked you.

00:59:04.920 I just liked the platform.

00:59:05.860 All right.

00:59:06.180 Okay.

00:59:06.540 All right.

00:59:06.860 That's fair.

00:59:07.500 That's fair.

00:59:07.780 Oh, yeah.

00:59:08.020 I'm burning every picture today.

00:59:09.440 So, this is done.

00:59:10.800 After this, we're going to have the round table with Sarah.

00:59:13.060 She's great.

00:59:13.540 Great hair and shoulders.

00:59:14.240 We have a good reputation.

00:59:15.280 That ends today.

00:59:16.040 That ends.

00:59:16.400 Stu, he's in his office watching cartoons with a sippy cup.

00:59:19.300 He doesn't know what's going on.

00:59:19.940 That's going to be over.

00:59:20.620 It's over.

00:59:20.900 And when I get on the plane, I'm going to be on the no-fly list.

00:59:23.500 So, it's going to be a busy day for me.

00:59:24.960 It's just every bridge burned.

00:59:26.900 Just, it's done.

00:59:28.160 Can we talk about being an extremist?

00:59:30.100 Because, you know...

00:59:33.100 You know who hate extremists?

00:59:35.340 William F. Buckley.

00:59:36.860 It was his job to make sure there were no extremists in conservatism.

00:59:42.040 And the National Review, my favorite paleontology magazine, still has as their slogan, standing

00:59:47.340 a thwart history yelling stop.

00:59:49.340 Well, Bill, some of us actually want to stop it instead of just standing there shaking our

00:59:54.020 fist impotently while our freedoms are being destroyed and America is being ruined.

00:59:58.480 He is the great villain of conservatism.

01:00:00.600 Although, he did a lot of good things, too.

01:00:03.340 What does America mean to you?

01:00:06.860 When you said America is being ruined, you sound like...

01:00:11.020 I mean, it's hard because you're all nuance.

01:00:13.840 I mean, you come out and you are very strong on things.

01:00:17.340 But there's a lot of...

01:00:19.340 There's a lot to be filled in that people can't fill in by themselves because they've never

01:00:23.960 heard this kind of thinking before.

01:00:25.640 You know what I mean?

01:00:25.940 Yeah.

01:00:26.400 Well, that's one of the reasons I put together the book.

01:00:28.900 I was born in the Soviet Union.

01:00:30.680 I know.

01:00:31.020 And one of the lines I always say is, I hate the government because I love my country.

01:00:35.320 I love what America means.

01:00:38.200 America is this ideal.

01:00:41.420 You know, it's that...

01:00:42.200 Reagan talked about this in his speech in 64 about that, you know, and later, that shining...

01:00:47.320 If we lose freedom here, it's done.

01:00:50.000 There's nowhere else to go.

01:00:51.580 We are that shining city on a hill, sitting on a hill.

01:00:54.120 We are that beacon of hope for the rest of the world.

01:00:56.420 We are the ones who show that a free people can be peaceful and make it happen.

01:01:00.440 But it is because of those documents that...

01:01:04.640 I think it's despite those documents.

01:01:06.260 We had this spirit before those documents.

01:01:07.800 You think that before 1789...

01:01:10.300 No, no, no.

01:01:10.340 The pilgrims had it when they came over here.

01:01:14.300 They started to have it.

01:01:15.420 It was a different heart of cooperation.

01:01:20.440 I mean, the pilgrims came.

01:01:21.560 They didn't take the land from the natives.

01:01:23.380 They bought that land.

01:01:25.080 They had the longest running peace treaty with the Native Americans.

01:01:30.440 I mean, and it kept...

01:01:33.500 It grew into something, but it was a very spiritual thing...

01:01:37.200 Sure.

01:01:37.760 ...that it grew out of.

01:01:41.120 And then it became, you know, not divine providence, but manifest destiny.

01:01:48.700 Sure.

01:01:49.120 And that's the switch that flipped.

01:01:51.920 But there's also...

01:01:52.780 You have to appreciate the...

01:01:54.220 And I hate this expression.

01:01:55.980 I can't think of...

01:01:56.520 There's no nice one for it. 1.00

01:01:58.000 Like the white trash. 1.00

01:01:58.980 The Boston riots weren't made by, like, you know, people who would go to Harvard or like 1.00

01:02:03.240 people who go to Congress. 0.98

01:02:04.220 These were like lower class people, uneducated, who were like, screw you. 1.00

01:02:08.940 You're coming from the king? 0.99

01:02:10.720 I don't care.

01:02:11.480 I want to live my life.

01:02:12.540 I want to...

01:02:13.140 I'm not bothering anyone.

01:02:14.880 You know, in Philadelphia, when it was a colony, they tarred and feathered the king's

01:02:21.980 emissaries who wanted to raise taxes.

01:02:23.980 They're like, go on your boat.

01:02:26.220 Get the F back to England.

01:02:27.220 We're not talking to you.

01:02:28.220 And they didn't know what to do about it because the people were just living in a quasi-anarchist

01:02:32.420 way.

01:02:32.680 They were getting along.

01:02:33.440 They were farming.

01:02:34.080 They trade with each other.

01:02:35.240 No one had a problem.

01:02:36.320 So that spirit of America is something I very much find.

01:02:41.160 It certainly was in the Trump phenomenon when you had people who are mocked, you know,

01:02:45.600 by the...

01:02:45.960 They're uneducated. 1.00

01:02:46.980 They're trash. 1.00

01:02:47.740 They're this. 1.00

01:02:48.260 Those people are the real Americans far more than this European hoity-toity attitude

01:02:53.340 that you're being promulgated through our university system.

01:02:57.260 A hundred percent agree.

01:02:59.420 However, those same people that fought the revolution, that were farmers, had been betrayed

01:03:06.420 by Congress.

01:03:07.440 Yes.

01:03:07.780 Not paid.

01:03:08.200 You know, all of it.

01:03:10.740 Shoeless. 0.99

01:03:11.640 Shoeless. 0.99

01:03:13.320 Washington was the key to holding those guys together.

01:03:19.140 So there is some spirit.

01:03:21.160 That, to me, is the American spirit.

01:03:23.400 A hundred percent.

01:03:23.880 Is that moderating force that's personal.

01:03:30.460 There was no...

01:03:31.520 He didn't come down with an iron fist.

01:03:33.900 He had earned the respect and could just look at people and say, that's not who we are.

01:03:40.820 You know what I mean?

01:03:41.280 Yeah.

01:03:42.620 That's gone.

01:03:43.700 That's gone.

01:03:44.240 But that, to me, is the American spirit of enough people standing up and saying, shame

01:03:53.920 on you.

01:03:55.020 Yeah.

01:03:55.360 Shame on you.

01:03:55.960 Yeah.

01:03:56.320 I agree with you.

01:03:57.460 But that's dead.

01:03:58.480 So how do we get...

01:03:59.320 It's not dead.

01:03:59.680 It's on life support.

01:04:00.720 It's not dead.

01:04:01.420 If we're still talking, it's not dead.

01:04:03.940 And I think we have to be very specific here.

01:04:06.540 Just because they've been at this for a long time.

01:04:09.360 It's not that they're winning.

01:04:10.860 It's that they have the momentum.

01:04:12.120 Again, this has been built since Wilson and even a little bit before.

01:04:16.180 Richard Eli, who was Woodrow Wilson's professor, started the American Economics Association

01:04:21.380 in order to promulgate socialism through the universities.

01:04:24.180 This has been going on for a very, very long time.

01:04:27.060 And now, finally, the population has the tools to make a more level playing field.

01:04:33.520 And they can't win on a level playing field because they do not have truth and facts on

01:04:39.440 their side, which is why there's such a need for them to have a monopoly on the conversation

01:04:44.600 and why they were having a meltdown for 20 years when Fox, just Fox, was creating...

01:04:52.160 As if Fox is some kind of radical jihadi organization, even the existence of Fox was a threat to the

01:04:57.520 hegemony.

01:04:57.960 And now, Fox is like the moderate compared to so many other organizations.

01:05:02.380 Well, they say, I had to get off Fox.

01:05:04.440 I had to get off Fox.

01:05:05.680 Hey, Glenn Beck's got to go, got to go, got to go, got to go.

01:05:08.700 Okay.

01:05:09.180 So I went.

01:05:09.800 Yeah.

01:05:10.080 And I started this.

01:05:11.520 And now, look at how many things.

01:05:14.280 And now they've got to shut this down.

01:05:16.020 Right.

01:05:16.280 Now they have to shut down anybody who is doing this because it worked.

01:05:22.460 But they didn't, every week on, that was pretty ominous.

01:05:27.000 No, sorry.

01:05:28.300 I'm coming towards you.

01:05:29.500 Every week on Twitter, you see that, and I know Twitter is not real life, but you see

01:05:33.560 the trending hashtag, fire Tucker Carlson.

01:05:36.300 And it's like, if you fire him, you're still not going to watch Fox.

01:05:39.040 Why would they like listen to you?

01:05:40.760 What power do you have?

01:05:42.060 So, but this is the thing.

01:05:43.860 Like you, this network could not have existed 20 years ago.

01:05:48.900 Uh, even technologically, even if you weren't a political network, the fact that if you

01:05:52.860 were just talking about pets to have mics, to have your own studio, to have an audience,

01:05:56.800 to have the, the, the economics, to have the ads of the subscribers to pay for everything,

01:06:00.520 it wouldn't have worked as things go on and it becomes cheaper and cheaper to make your

01:06:04.880 own production.

01:06:05.560 Now anyone can do in their own house.

01:06:07.300 It becomes harder and harder to have monopoly on the microphone.

01:06:10.820 Tell me about it.

01:06:11.700 I'm the guy who bought a 50 year old movie studio.

01:06:14.180 Yeah.

01:06:14.700 But 10, 12, 11 years ago.

01:06:16.920 So, uh, I don't need this.

01:06:20.480 But this is what brought down the Soviet union because at a certain point, that cynicism 0.99

01:06:24.800 where people are looking at each other and be like, you don't believe this crap, do you? 0.99

01:06:27.580 No, of course not. 1.00

01:06:28.420 Like, look at, you know what it is?

01:06:29.800 Here's another way that this is going to, how many videos have you seen on, on social

01:06:34.840 media of some corporate journalist or some politician put the mask on when the cameras

01:06:41.280 are on and then they take it off as soon.

01:06:42.840 So when you see that you don't have to have any view on, uh, um, vaccines or masks or

01:06:48.600 COVID, all you have to do is look at it and be like, I don't know what's the situation

01:06:52.500 on, but this person is clearly playing for the cameras and it takes that little to get

01:06:57.980 people to have that much contempt for the people who deserve all of our contempt and

01:07:02.280 much worse.

01:07:02.740 So you're a, you're a, do you sound like a real optimist?

01:07:07.800 I am so certain that we're going to win.

01:07:11.060 It's not even funny because look, but look who we're up against.

01:07:14.640 These aren't impressive people.

01:07:16.240 How can you look at AOC and think that she's an insurmountable foe?

01:07:20.780 How can you look at Don Lemon and say, you know what?

01:07:24.460 I can't win against this guy.

01:07:25.860 He's just too smart and powerful.

01:07:27.320 It's, it's so bizarre because for years, Republicans just have it in their idea and

01:07:33.320 correctly that they're the punching bag in Washington because Democrats at Congress are

01:07:37.000 40 years straight. 0.87

01:07:38.080 Their job was to kind of complain, but then just shut up and go home.

01:07:41.660 They had no real power and they kind of have this battered wife syndrome. 1.00

01:07:46.020 And then when Trump came along, they're like, wait a minute, if we can get this loon into

01:07:50.420 the White House, who's a complete, who has no political experience, no one is going to know

01:07:54.900 what he's going to do, if we have that ability, here's something else.

01:07:58.760 That did change everything.

01:08:00.220 Yeah.

01:08:00.580 But if I said to you in 2000, in everyone listening to this in 2014, which of these two

01:08:06.740 things is more likely?

01:08:08.220 Texas will declare secession from America or Donald Trump becomes elected president.

01:08:13.400 Every single person would say Texas and they would have been right to do. 0.93

01:08:16.260 I mean, this is ridiculous. 0.65

01:08:17.120 It's not happening. 0.91

01:08:17.940 And this did happen.

01:08:19.160 So if that's possible, then to say, and there's a great deal of ruin in the nation.

01:08:26.000 I forgot who that quote was, but look how bad Sweden got. 0.71

01:08:29.140 Look how bad many England, Britain.

01:08:31.480 I can't wait for you to read my next book because that is about this point.

01:08:35.320 Look at Britain in the 70s.

01:08:36.760 They didn't have electricity.

01:08:38.260 Horrible.

01:08:38.540 Yeah.

01:08:39.140 And now look at them.

01:08:40.000 It's not good, but it's certainly not done.

01:08:42.440 But there was still a leader.

01:08:44.480 You know, the Americans were there in some degree, still freedom exists.

01:08:51.800 And an engine was there.

01:08:53.360 Sure.

01:08:53.700 If our engine goes down, I mean.

01:08:56.420 That's a big if.

01:08:57.800 Yeah, I know that.

01:08:58.920 But, you know, you're not you're not funding any kind of fossil fuels anymore.

01:09:04.840 All that funding is going away.

01:09:06.800 We are not going for our own natural resources.

01:09:09.500 All the cars that will be coming out beginning 2025, they'll all be at least hybrid.

01:09:17.180 By 2030, the entire fleet of everything except for possibly Bugatti, they haven't said yet, will be electric.

01:09:25.420 Where are you plugging all those in?

01:09:27.860 You know, while reducing coal plants, not funding new fossil fuels.

01:09:35.020 Wind power is going to do that.

01:09:37.500 I mean, if this engine stops and there's no innovation that's coming from here, where is it coming from?

01:09:46.900 Well, I've only been living in Texas since August and I still don't know how to drive.

01:09:51.340 So a lot of this is going to be lost on me.

01:09:53.100 Let me be honest.

01:09:54.740 I have been living here.

01:09:57.020 I've been born a Texan, but I was living in New York all my life.

01:09:59.680 In terms of what you're talking about, you're already I agree that if the bad guys win, the bad guys win and it's over.

01:10:08.740 What I'm saying is there is you're not going to win.

01:10:11.320 There's a lot of time between now and 2030.

01:10:13.720 I don't know about the specific about energy stuff, but in terms of pushback.

01:10:18.580 And I think and what I've seen is people are more radicalized than ever.

01:10:23.320 They have more contempt for the elites than ever.

01:10:25.880 Correctly.

01:10:26.600 They have more.

01:10:27.180 There was that poll from Gallup where it showed trust in corporate media is an all time historic low.

01:10:33.100 How do you undo that?

01:10:34.420 You know, if someone cheats on you or they're beating their spouse, you can't unring that bell.

01:10:39.180 But you were from you were from the Soviet.

01:10:41.660 I know you're only two, but I know we're almost out of time.

01:10:45.720 I haven't gotten to any of the stuff I want to talk to you about.

01:10:48.520 So will you come back in the first place?

01:10:50.760 I didn't burn the bridge.

01:10:51.780 You didn't burn the bridge.

01:10:52.620 Dang it.

01:10:54.820 I owe someone 50 bucks.

01:10:56.620 I mean, people didn't believe people didn't believe Pravda. 0.99

01:11:00.700 They didn't believe all that crap in the Soviet Union. 0.98

01:11:02.860 Right. 1.00

01:11:03.360 Right.

01:11:03.620 And what happened?

01:11:04.920 Well, eventually, 70 years later, it fell apart.

01:11:07.940 There's that quote from Hemingway.

01:11:10.620 How did you go bankrupt?

01:11:11.600 Two ways, gradually, and then suddenly.

01:11:13.820 So these things happen much.

01:11:15.280 Look at the Arab Spring.

01:11:16.700 Look at the Berlin Wall.

01:11:17.740 I can't.

01:11:18.200 Look at the Berlin Wall.

01:11:19.760 My friend was conceived under communist Czechoslovakia.

01:11:24.560 It never entered his mom's head that he'd be free, but he was born in a free Czechoslovakia.

01:11:29.180 So I think this is America. 0.69

01:11:32.060 We are so good.

01:11:33.940 Look how quickly we went from malaise to Reagan.

01:11:36.620 It was overnight.

01:11:38.060 So we don't know who that leader is.

01:11:40.280 I can tell you it's not going to be Ron DeSantis.

01:11:42.360 I promise you he's not going to save this country, whoever people are thinking of.

01:11:45.400 But the leadership does not have to come from politics.

01:11:48.200 It comes on a local basis.

01:11:50.260 It comes from anyone who has the capacity, thanks to the internet, to become that figure

01:11:55.300 who polarizes and radicalizes people and reminds them that you are Americans, and being

01:12:01.340 American means you do not bend the knee to Washington, except George Washington.

01:12:06.120 You can come back now.

01:12:12.080 Thank you so much.

01:12:13.120 Thank you.

01:12:13.500 Thank you so much, Glenn.

01:12:14.340 Just a reminder, I'd love you to rate and subscribe to the podcast and pass this on to a friend

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The Glenn Beck Program - October 16, 2021

Ep 121 ｜ 'Welcome to Anarchism, Glenn' ｜ Michael Malice ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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