In this episode of the Glenn Beck Podcast, host Glenn Beck sits down with writer and activist Michael Malice to discuss his new book, The Anarchist Handbook, and what it means to be an "anarchist."
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00:05:04.680I remember my friend Maddox had been on his show and they had clowned him pretty hard and Maddox tweeted at him and Penn just said, I don't remember this, but if I hurt your feelings, I sincerely apologize and I'm sorry if it brought you harm.
00:05:17.780And I'm sure he meant, and that's his personality.
00:05:20.400He was on Howard Stern like 20 years ago and Gary Delabatti said, you know, once you held me down, it tickled me and it really, you're a big guy.
00:05:32.140And I think when you, when people think of anarchists, and by the way, I just want to say, please, I don't want to go to prison because I interviewed you.
00:05:58.020I tell you, it wasn't, I was for peace.
00:06:03.800He was just saying violent, he was making me say violent stuff.
00:06:07.700He was threatening the vice president.
00:06:12.380Most people think of an anarchist and they think of the black flag and they think of the morons up in, well, I'm sorry if that offends you, but the morons up in Portland that are just setting things on fire.
00:06:39.660You don't hate an organization that keeps people from being able to say goodbye to their mom as she's dying in the hospital?
00:06:47.640You don't hate an organization that tells a little girl she can't have a lemonade stand because she doesn't have a license?
00:06:52.340You don't hate an organization that tells people they can't protect their families in their own home despite what it says in the Constitution?
00:07:59.840It's completely delusional and contradict history.
00:08:02.060The anarchist view is you do not speak for me, and everything else is application.
00:08:07.100The reason I put together the Anarchist Handbook as a collection of historical essays by various anarchists of the past is, as I say in the back cover, the black flag comes in many colors.
00:08:17.580So, anarchism has historically been a doctrine of revolutionary terror.
00:08:24.000An anarchist made Teddy Roosevelt president.
00:08:26.480In Russia, certainly anarchists were bomb throwers.
00:08:28.520In Britain, the word anarchist is synonymous with terrorist.
00:08:30.860There's that sex pistol song, Anarchy in the UK.
00:08:33.220They're referring to I Want to Destroy Pastors By is the lyric.
00:08:35.420But anarchism is also an ideology of peace.
00:08:39.240It is an ideology that says authority is not legitimate.
00:08:42.940That the idea that someone who wins a popularity contest is going to have any kind of say over my life is a joke.
00:08:50.380And the only reason we even consider this ludicrous philosophy of authority as legitimate is because we've been taught to the contrary in government schools since we were children.
00:09:03.740So anarchism just means not having a belief in the state and believing as well that a voluntary society, a peaceful society is the optimal one.
00:09:15.020But it's not utopian in the same way if I sat here and said to you, I'm going to cure cancer.
00:09:19.780We would both think that's a great goal.
00:09:21.820Doesn't mean there's not going to be murders.
00:09:23.660There's not going to be other diseases.
00:09:32.780So, well, first, he should cure incontinence.
00:09:35.020But it is basically the idea that authority is inherently illegitimate.
00:09:41.620And I do not understand how anyone, or I do understand, but I think it's unfortunate that people can look at the status quo and say this system is the best we can do.
00:09:50.260Well, I would kind of fall where Churchill was.
00:09:55.640It's the worst, but it's the best one we have right now.
00:10:01.040But Churchill got his ass handed to him by FDR and Truman and Stalin.
00:10:04.140And you saw what happened to Britain as a consequence of World War II.
00:10:33.940But the original idea of the Declaration of Independence, of we're going to build this, then the Constitution is how to, and that's been violated from the beginning.
00:10:54.620I mean, the thing I like about you is that you're a student of history, not like a lot of conservative pundits who just think Obama was the worst president we've ever had.
00:11:01.660This, by the way, this is how you know if a conservative is worth listening to.
00:11:04.900Ask them who's the worst president, Woodrow Wilson or Biden or Obama.
00:11:08.500If they waffle or if they hesitate, you know, there's not even a cool, thank you, goodbye, good luck.
00:11:15.220I love the fact that you ate Woodrow Wilson as much as I do.
00:12:09.660At the same time, we're told, well, we had something called the Article of Confederation, but it didn't work because people couldn't get together and do anything.
00:12:15.780The Aros Confederation worked exactly how the Constitution is claimed to have worked.
00:12:21.760And then the Constitution came in and strongly centralized power over what had gone before.
00:12:26.900And as the Anti-Federalists warned at the time, it was despite the talk of states' rights, they have created a leviathan and we're seeing it to this day.
00:12:34.440So what about the argument that they made at the time, the trade between the states, the currencies, et cetera, et cetera?
00:12:44.560Should we have been just—I mean, because really, the 13 colonies were more like Europe in 1960.
00:14:11.520Like, I'm going to get my tax cuts and you guys get your spending increases and we both go home and sell it to our voters and everyone wins.
00:14:19.260But the people who lose are the American people.
00:16:26.500I mean, their freedom of speech arguments under Adams, fantastic, fantastic, and should be read by everybody today.
00:16:35.000Yeah, but my rights are not up for discussion or for argument, let alone a vote.
00:16:38.600So the claim that Congress is in a position somehow to sit down and adjudicate whether it's acceptable for me to criticize them is obscene.
00:16:48.260No, no, but that's what they were saying.
00:17:19.840The problem is, and help me out with this, there's a lot of people, I mean, you know, if you don't look, anybody who says man is naturally good is somebody I could pretty much dismiss as an idiot.
00:18:13.540People, bad people, bad people, stir people up to get them into the tribal mindset, and then we go conquer that tribe and then take it over.
00:18:25.480That's a big concern, and this is a big issue why free speech is so important.
00:18:30.420And it's very easy, and has been for 200 years, if you have a kind of a cabal having control of the megaphone and the microphone to dictate what the conversation is and isn't, anything outside of that, this network couldn't have existed 20 years ago, right?
00:18:45.520Because you're going to have ABC, NBC, CBS.
00:18:48.320There were three different flavors of progressivism.
00:18:50.600You could go at home, turn on the evening news, feel like you're making a choice.
00:18:56.920I'm going to bungle the quote, but he says the way that they have control is having very intense debate within strictly limited parameters.
00:19:05.280So now, thanks to social media, thanks to the decentralization of microphones like these, anyone, including some random jerk from Texas like myself, who has an opinion, is now in a position to go toe-to-toe with one of the apparatchiks from the New York Times.
00:19:22.700And on the screen, we look equal, because I have a blue check, and now different people.
00:19:44.360So if you're presenting yourself as an organization, which is the newspaper of record, all we do is print facts.
00:19:51.560As soon as you're caught in one mistake, people are suspicious.
00:19:55.180But when it becomes a pattern, oh, you're manipulating me, you're lying to me, and once trust is lost, it's almost impossible to regain.
00:20:04.780And that is why these people are back on their heels.
00:20:07.460They don't know what to do about it, because for the first time in decades, they're being called on their dog crap, and they don't have the mechanism to resolve this.
00:20:16.360Because historically, what they're in position to do was ignore these people, be just crazy letters to the editor.
00:20:21.820I'm sure you get crazy letters all the time, and you can ignore them.
00:20:24.760But now, these people who are calling you out, you can't just dismiss them as crazy, because people who are open-minded are like, wait a minute.
00:20:32.360Maybe this guy's a jerk, but he's really pointing out a mistake you're making, or a best mistake.
00:20:37.620Like, why are you pretending this wasn't a—and we just saw this the other day with Joe Rogan when he had Sanjay Gupta on his show, the CNN's chief medical apparatchik, and called him on his crap.
00:20:47.220And the guy, you would think, if he had, like, Biden on or Kamala Harris, they'd be able to tap dance, because politicians are good at being called on their crap.
00:21:21.700But Dr. Gupta was terrible, because he goes to the CNN offices, talks to CNN people, goes home in his car, and never has to interact with the hoi polloi.
00:21:31.860But now, as corporate media's share of the market is shrinking, they can't make bestsellers within their ecosystem.
00:21:38.020They have to go out to the blogs, to the podcasts, to the internet, where all the energy and the intellectual momentum is.
00:21:45.000And that's when they're exposed, because they're not in their little fortress where they're immune from criticism.
00:21:49.840So here's where we have a real problem in the country, I think, is we have the politicians who know they're in trouble.
00:22:12.500And then you have social media and Google that temporarily need some things from the government, and the government knows, I'll give you these things if you help me control these people.
00:22:53.700The universities is where the toxic poison starts.
00:22:58.200I was thinking more of George Soros, but I thought, now you—
00:23:00.420No, it's the universities, because the universities train all those other outlets to be shock troops for the progressive militia.
00:23:06.640So, once people who are red-pilled and who are skeptical of this kind of overclass start turning their guns—I'm not speaking literally—on the universities, that's when the jig is up for them.
00:23:19.000And what's amazing is, as humorless, self-righteous, pompous, and obnoxious as corporate journalists are, they fare better in all these metrics than college professors.
00:23:29.040If you see how they speak on Twitter—Lawrence Tribe is a great example—you would think he's, I think, a dean or he's high up at Harvard Law.
00:23:37.420On paper, Harvard Law professor, we know this guy's going to be brilliant.
00:23:40.980I mean, no matter what his politics are, this guy's no dummy.
00:23:44.420But when you look how he tweets, it's like everyone's boomer grandma posting on Facebook.
00:23:53.380And when you see how these people are exposed, and you're a big fan of The Wizard of Oz, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain, once that curtain's pulled back, it's like, wait a minute, I'm deferring to this guy.
00:24:44.840Why am I wasting four years of my life throwing money down the drain when I can start a business online and I get my resume?
00:24:50.820So these are two paths that are being built right now to getting good resume and skills.
00:24:54.420But second, my daughter, who's this beautiful kid who loves me, we have fun at Thanksgiving, goes off to Columbia, comes home as a swamp walrus who's unrecognizable.
00:25:05.840And turning Americans against the university system, not against intelligence, not against education, specific against the university system, is really going to be the next step.
00:25:16.140And they're not going to see it coming, and it's going to be absolutely beautiful.
00:25:19.100One of the things I propose—just one quick thing quickly—is to seize all university endowments and distribute that money as reparations.
00:25:26.220Because that turns two big elements of the left against each other, and that is where the mayhem and where I kind of thrive.
00:25:32.160But wouldn't that, for an anarchist, wouldn't that be the worst thing to do to seize somebody's property?
00:26:47.580So, this—it's always better—Martin Luther King, who I—you know, I know boomers love him, so I kind of hesitant to quote him.
00:26:54.800But something that he did very effectively and why he won is that he forced racists to go face-to-face with the consequences of their racism.
00:27:03.640He said, look, you can hate black people.
00:27:05.780You could think we should be Jim Crow, all that, so on and so forth.
00:27:08.060Are you comfortable with men and women in suits who are standing there to be attacked by dogs and fire hoses and cops?
00:27:16.760Is this really what you're comfortable with?
00:27:18.340And there's many people who were still racist, who were still prejudiced, who were like, you know what?
00:27:30.560So it's—and using force is always more expensive.
00:27:35.340First of all, the people who are implementing the force are putting themselves in danger, which most people don't want to do.
00:27:39.740And second, people who are in the middle—and, you know, you and I are political animals, but we realize most people shouldn't or want to care about politics.
00:27:46.180They just want to live their lives, feed their families, go to their jobs.
00:27:48.520If they turn on the TV and they see authoritarian force, many of them will love it because, as Mencken said, the average man does not want to be free.
00:28:13.560He got the same exact number of seats as he did.
00:28:16.340I'm not saying this hope for Canada, by the way.
00:28:18.120What I'm saying is in America, where we actually have a semblance of freedom, people who do not have political persuasions see things like this and they recoil.
00:28:25.920So I would I would agree with you if we hadn't have just gone through and still going through two years of lockdown vaccine mandates that it's not even a law.
00:28:35.480It's not even it's not even a little note from the president.
00:28:39.220And you have people following the vaccine mandates.
00:28:42.840Oh, I'm not saying it's great that we have vaccine mandates.
00:28:46.300What I'm saying is it's always preferable when authoritarians have to show their hands and use force than when they use persuasion because it becomes costlier for them.
00:28:56.220And just like buying a car at a certain point, if things become too expensive, they stop doing it.
00:29:01.860When the cost of anything outweigh the benefits, you stop doing it.
00:29:05.240Prohibition. Prohibition is a great example.
00:29:07.380At a certain point, the violence, especially toward the violence toward police, became so expensive that the cops were like, we're not doing this anymore.
00:29:14.240I'm not getting shot because someone wants to have moonshine.
00:29:16.900And the law, the Constitution, there was that senator, I forget his name, who said it'll be easier for a hummingbird to fly to the moon with the Washington Monument tied to its tail than that prohibition will be repealed.
00:29:28.420And it was repealed within, what, 12 years because the costs became too expensive.
00:29:34.780And that is what's going to end up happening at a certain point.
00:29:37.960People are going to be like, we're not doing this.
00:33:23.740I mean, I think the only kind of president that would be worthy, would be able to change anything, would be the guy who, but he'd never be elected, would be the guy who says, see all these departments?
00:33:51.300And whoever owns a house in this area, you're going to have a hard time selling it, because I'm shutting it all down.
00:33:56.440Yeah, but your beloved constitution means he doesn't have the power to do that, because he's not going to be able to get it through Congress.
00:34:01.660No, he can shut down the administrations.
00:37:11.16030 years ago, you wouldn't see any of this.
00:37:13.72030 years ago, you and I, again, are both old enough to remember that if it wasn't for the Internet,
00:37:20.440people would say with a straight face that Monica Lewinsky was a stalker who is obsessed with the president.
00:37:26.500And these claims that he had an affair with someone who's his daughter's age, it's crazy, widely discredited Republican talk conspiracy theory.
00:37:35.340Until Drudge opened the door and changed the world.
00:40:46.060So the towns, when we were little, we all got together and said, let's hire this guy, and he'll be our security, and we'll all put in for it.
00:41:08.380The problem with the police is they take things that if I can't do it, they can't do it.
00:41:15.680No, the problem with the police is that they're a government monopoly.
00:41:18.160So the same reasons you're not for socialized medicine is why you should be against socialized private security or personal security.
00:41:24.420Whenever you have a government monopoly on any service, whether it's education, whether it's health care, whether it's security, you're going to have no accountability.
00:41:32.780You're going to have mass death, and you're going to have enormous inefficiencies and costs.
00:41:36.740And there are also going to be a huge incentive for that organization to make sure the problem perpetuates because that's where their budgets increase.
00:41:43.520So we saw in last year how the police stood down while buildings were being burned down and people were being killed, whereas when people tried to defend their property, those were the ones that the police arrested.
00:41:55.080They bent the knee to Black Lives Matter, and people who were back the blue were the ones who were locked in jail.
00:42:14.700However, in those 15, 20 years that I've had this, I have recognized that even the best security people will grow the threat, grow the business.
00:42:31.880So it still is exactly the same, even if it's owned by a private individual.
00:42:37.280It's not exactly the same because you're having very limited competition in this area.
00:42:41.240If you look at Uber, like we're at the point in the market where if I came to you 15 years ago and said, you know, we should have Uber, you'd be like, look, only the fat cats are going to have limousines.
00:43:14.520You know, I'm just saying to make it easy for people to get to where I am, baby steps, to have a, the police right now don't prevent crime.
00:43:22.420They just show up at your house after you've been burglarized and take a report.
00:43:25.320And there's not even, you know, it's funny when you watch sitcoms, right?
00:43:28.000On sitcoms, a character will be burglarized.
00:43:30.020The cops show up, they're like, we'll look around.
00:43:31.760Even in this imaginary world, there's not even any possibility you're going to get your stuff back.
00:43:35.940If security was private, right, completely privatized or much more market oriented, if you got robbed, that company who was responsible for security would pay you to get your stuff back.
00:43:47.280It's insane that this organization says, we're going to make sure that you're safe in your home.
00:43:52.500And then you're like, I got robbed and my kid got killed.
00:43:58.960There's no pretense that you're going to get what your tax money is paying for.
00:44:02.960So if you had it with a private system, if you had a competition within the security industry, just like with Uber, just like with health care, it would be a lot safer and there would be a lot more security.
00:44:15.660If you want to find a cop, it's like the Bengals song.
00:44:19.660If you want to find a cop, they're hanging out at the donut shop, go to the mall.
00:44:23.460The places where security is private are the safest places.
00:44:27.600If you go to a bar full of young men, full of testosterone and alcohol, it's going to be a lot safer than the subway, public parks and alleys, because those are the areas that the government has taken control of security.
00:44:40.740Whereas a building has a doorman, a hotel where everyone is a stranger, not local to area.
00:44:46.520They can commit a crime and get out of Dodge.
00:44:48.520It's still safer for you in a hotel room than it is for you to be in Central Park.
00:44:52.660I buy into all of this, but you're driving a car that is going in the exact opposite direction of where it seems the world is going.
00:45:15.080This is why we're going to win, because they keep doing the same thing.
00:45:19.740They do not have the ability or capacity to change gears because they also don't have the ability to recognize what the problem is.
00:45:29.980They're all talking in circles to each other, CNN, The New York Times, Harvard and D.C.
00:45:34.540So everything outside of this, they want to dismiss as either conspiracy theory, white supremacist, whatever word they want to use to kind of dismiss you and not hear it.
00:45:42.840But increasing number of people are seeking alternatives to what we've all been trained to believe since we're children.
00:45:49.640And at a certain point, it's going to be very, very expensive for them to keep the lid on that pot.
00:45:54.420And at a point after that, people are going to be like, why are we buying into this crap to begin with?
00:46:11.020It's every society is made up of intellectual elites.
00:46:15.560And I know the word elite has some kind of negative connotations.
00:46:18.080But I mean, people who are making talking politics, talking issues, and everyone else follows along because the average person does not have the interest or capacity to think through these things.
00:46:27.520Just like you and I don't understand weather, we're not meteorologists, we're going to listen to the weatherman, whatever.
00:46:32.980At a certain point, if you have enough public voices who are making things that make sense, that resonate with people, it gets harder and harder for the power elite to impose their will.
00:46:45.000Because Trump was elected just out of spite.
00:46:49.440People went to that voting booth and said, you all told me I effectively have to vote for this guy.
00:47:24.040If there's any organization that if vaccines are to fight COVID, as they say, the number one group that needs to be vaccinated would be postal workers.
00:47:33.620They're literally going to everyone's house.
00:49:02.840So, then how do you get the strange communist anarchists?
00:49:07.960Well, the original anarchists were communists.
00:49:10.720There's an essay in the anarchist handbook from 1867.
00:49:14.920So, exactly 50 years before the Soviet Union was formed, Mikhail Bakunin, who was Marx's big rival for international communism in the 1800s, correctly predicted and anticipated what the Soviet Union would look like.
00:49:27.320And his words resonate really strongly today because he talked about how we're going to have a reign of the scientific.
00:49:33.940And the people who have science on their side are going to be smart.
00:49:36.840And God help you if you're not one of these science people.
00:49:40.680And when you read it now, it's just chilling.
00:49:43.200So, they were wrong, in my opinion, because they thought, absent the state, everyone's going to get along.
00:50:19.360If I talk to my lawyer, my lawyer has authority over me.
00:50:21.620There's no reason there's going to be one person who is going to represent you in terms of tax policy, foreign affairs, you know, every issue under the sun.
00:50:32.700Nor is one person intelligent enough to really have a sophisticated approach on all these different issues.
00:50:37.200Nor, you know, conservatives for years have been given a choice between Coke and Pepsi.
00:50:42.840They're like diabetics being given a choice between Coke and Pepsi and wondering why their feet keep getting cut off.
00:50:47.760The answer is to reject this entire system because that's got us where it is today.
00:50:52.520And also, when you have respect for the people in Washington, when you think they're a lie, that they're in a position to make decisions for you in your life, that means sending your kids off to wars that didn't need to be fought and having them come home either in pieces or not at all.
00:51:08.560And that is what respect for government means.
00:51:30.200I mean, that's what I wanted in this podcast when I first started doing the podcast.
00:51:34.040I want to talk to people that push me into thinking, that are reasonable and, you know, have the same general worldview, but, you know, as far as peace.
00:53:04.480That's why he said, we have to now have a standing military.
00:53:09.220Well, all the things that he talked about, the influence of the universities, the influence of giant corporations that want war, etc., etc.
00:53:20.120The influence of politics and the Pentagon.
00:56:56.760And the Kurdish people were going to be exterminated.
00:56:59.620We heard nothing about it when that didn't happen.
00:57:01.880And it's amazing that all those people, those apparatchiks on those screens who are advocating for this, arguing for genocide, saying that genocide would happen, they had no consequences for their lies in demanding that American soldiers put themselves in danger for the sake of people who managed to do not well, but certainly weren't wiped off the face of the earth.
00:57:22.040Well, I will tell you, the Yazidis, many of the Yazidis and many of the Christians were moved by my organization.
00:57:37.640I'm sure you saw that video of that Yazidi woman who was on the floor, was at the Iraqi parliament, where she said, they're coming to us, they're killing us, they're murdering us, and everyone else stood up with solidarity and put their heads down.
00:57:48.600But no one, and they were the ones who were real danger, because they were people who have been around for thousands of years.
00:57:55.100Their religion's very old, historical, you know, a very unique philosophy.
00:57:59.200It would have been fair for all of these hacks to bring up the Yazidi people who were genuinely in danger, who were genuinely in danger of being wiped off the face of the earth because there's so few of them.
00:58:10.260But no, they're talking because they want war.