The Glenn Beck Program - Ep 125 ｜ The Journalist Who Schooled Brian Stelter on Woke Media ｜ Batya Ungar-Sargon ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

00:00:00.000 Centuries from now, in books about American history, the biggest plot twist of our era will be that the heroes were actually the villains.

00:00:10.020 That isn't exactly unique to our era. 0.69

00:00:12.620 History is full of cowards disguised as saviors. 0.94

00:00:15.280 The difference is that our cowards have absolute power, but pretend not to have the power. 0.80

00:00:23.060 That's what happens when anti-establishment becomes the establishment.

00:00:27.320 What happens when the activists who want to tear down institutions become the head people of those institutions that they swore they wanted to destroy?

00:00:38.520 Heroism is an outcome of courage.

00:00:41.840 A coward can never be a hero.

00:00:44.760 Courage is a rare quality.

00:00:47.180 That's why you are a hero when you are found to have it.

00:00:51.060 But today's guest has it, as I think you will see.

00:00:55.320 She went on CNN and she called out the woke media to Brian Stelter's face.

00:01:00.420 Watch.

00:01:00.900 You refer to the woke media right up front.

00:01:03.120 So what is the who or what is the woke media?

00:01:06.200 I don't know.

00:01:06.900 You tell me, Brian, are we on woke media right now?

00:01:09.680 This is going to go down, I think, as one of the pivotal moments of journalism in 2021.

00:01:16.460 She is a Newsweek deputy opinion editor, and she has challenged the elitism of the left.

00:01:21.780 Remember, she was on the left.

00:01:24.600 Her book, Bad News, How Woke Media is Undermining Democracy, is on sale now.

00:01:30.560 And it is a rebuke of liberal elites who have taken control of our country.

00:01:35.280 But it's also a call for the media to pay attention to the real Americans, the working class Americans who have been abandoned.

00:01:43.240 Over the past decade, we have witnessed what today's guest has termed the Great Awokening.

00:01:50.340 Please welcome today's guest, Bhatia Ungar Sargon.

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00:03:41.620 Bhatia, hello, how are you?

00:03:44.160 Hi, how are you?

00:03:45.540 Very good.

00:03:46.600 You know, I've done radio for a very long time, and I think that's the biggest microphone I have ever seen.

00:03:52.380 I've ever seen.

00:03:54.620 But I digress.

00:03:57.640 Seeing you the other day on CNN was truly amazing.

00:04:07.040 Because as I was watching you in the clip that I saw, I thought, you're the ombudsman.

00:04:13.780 That's the role of the ombudsman.

00:04:16.880 And I don't even think he understood half of what you were saying.

00:04:22.520 And we live in this really weird world right now where we don't even speak the same language at times.

00:04:32.880 And I don't want you to, I'd like to invite you to also tell me or tell us what the right is doing wrong as well.

00:04:44.440 Because we're not innocent all the time either.

00:04:48.440 And so let's just have a conversation about the media in general.

00:04:52.540 But please don't.

00:04:54.560 Please feel free to come into my playground as well.

00:04:58.420 Because we all need to learn.

00:05:01.460 That's so kind of you and so reflects how I see you, which is as a man struggling to have the right fight.

00:05:12.220 So I'm so honored to be welcomed into this space in this way and really humbled by it.

00:05:18.620 Thank you.

00:05:19.320 Thank you.

00:05:19.780 I mean, that's the problem we have is, you know, we're not humble enough to say, am I being a part of the problem?

00:05:34.600 And if so, how can I change this?

00:05:38.360 You know, when they started going after Trump, I called Chuck Todd, I called all of them off the record.

00:05:48.220 And I said, please, please, you all have said, Glenn Beck's crazy man, please do not make the same mistakes that I made by being so strident and thinking you have all of the answers because you will screw it up and you will become everything you say I am.

00:06:10.700 They wanted nothing to do with any of that information.

00:06:14.440 And it really made me very sad because I could see what was coming our way.

00:06:21.220 Yeah.

00:06:22.220 Do you do you think that now you are taking that advice in how you deal with the current administration?

00:06:32.100 I want to preface that by saying I watched your show on January 6th and I found it not just compelling and moving,

00:06:44.620 but I found it to be a kind of spiritual experience in that you came out while the the riot was still ongoing with no knowledge of how probably your audience was thinking about it.

00:06:59.240 And you told them in no uncertain terms this was wrong.

00:07:02.700 Right.

00:07:02.880 This is not what it means to be a patriot.

00:07:04.680 This is not what it means to be a conservative.

00:07:06.460 And you showed real leadership there, you know, thank you.

00:07:10.420 And I really appreciated that.

00:07:12.480 But I'm wondering if you are you a different kind of media personality than you were, you know, during the Obama administration, let's say.

00:07:22.600 During the Obama administration, I I had two jobs.

00:07:27.240 One was personal and one was professional.

00:07:30.120 One, I worked for Rupert Murdoch, so I didn't pee on his couch, if you will.

00:07:37.520 And he hired me to get ratings.

00:07:41.300 That was good because I thought by by packet.

00:07:47.560 Nobody wants to hear an hour on Woodrow Wilson, but I could talk about Woodrow Wilson and the roots of modern progressivism if I made it entertaining.

00:07:57.380 So what I was a little shocked at that I have changed a bit is, you know, you don't get the benefit of the doubt that, you know, Jon Stewart or Stephen Colbert or anybody else gets when it's a joke.

00:08:16.920 And and and I was also shocked because I really thought there would be somebody in journalism that would go, man, I hate that guy because they were all watching me every day.

00:08:30.200 And and I thought somebody would go, I hate that guy. 0.99

00:08:33.920 He's a clown. 1.00

00:08:34.760 He's whatever. 1.00

00:08:36.500 But look at what he's lined out.

00:08:39.760 I mean, that can't be true.

00:08:42.260 Let's look into it.

00:08:43.420 And they never did.

00:08:45.020 Of course.

00:08:46.920 Yeah, I think the I mean, the reason I wrote this book was because I just got sick of the the sneering at the working class and the smearing of the working class of all races as racist.

00:09:03.580 And the contempt that you see from my side, the left, when it comes to the working class and to conservatives and to people who believe.

00:09:12.480 So I'm very much in line with that.

00:09:15.580 I think that that that humility that you're describing, that's that's lacking is so important.

00:09:21.400 And I really appreciate you bringing it up.

00:09:24.100 So let's talk about the.

00:09:27.940 The lack of humility or the group think that is going on, because it's confusing to me.

00:09:34.760 You know, it's like I watch Hollywood movies and it will be the exact opposite message.

00:09:41.680 You know, it'll be, you know, this is the bad guy, fascism, and they won't get it.

00:09:47.260 You know, you're like, yeah, that's what we're talking about.

00:09:49.120 But I look at the media and I think to myself, do they really think that they are are helping African-Americans by saying you're powerless without this government program?

00:10:10.220 Do they do they know they're no longer on the side of the working class?

00:10:14.720 Do they? It's such a great question.

00:10:18.300 You know, one of the germs of this book began back when I was woke.

00:10:23.440 So I had I like you, I've sort of shifted.

00:10:26.800 I've kept an open mind.

00:10:28.800 I've sort of reevaluated some of my opinions.

00:10:31.100 But so back when I was woke back in twenty eighteen, Yale came out with this study, Glenn,

00:10:36.100 and it and the study found that there was a difference in how white liberals and white conservatives talk to black and Latino Americans.

00:10:44.100 Do you know this study?

00:10:45.300 I do.

00:10:46.540 I do. 0.87

00:10:47.320 And they found that white liberals dumbed down their vocabulary when they're talking to blacks and Latinos in a way that white conservatives do not.

00:10:57.420 And I remember learning about this study and reading it and immediately recognizing everybody that I knew, my entire, you know, the whole class of liberal journalists that I existed in and thinking to myself, something is wrong.

00:11:14.840 Like, and we call them the racists, but we we see this, the color of someone's skin and change our language. 0.91

00:11:23.760 Right.

00:11:24.940 And I wish I could say to you it was instantaneous.

00:11:27.940 I was like, oh, wow, there's something wrong here.

00:11:30.180 It wasn't.

00:11:30.720 I remember thinking to myself, file this away for later, because this is an indictment of everything you believe.

00:11:38.740 And I'm not quite ready to deal with it yet.

00:11:41.180 And good for you.

00:11:42.160 No, not good.

00:11:44.560 No, no, no.

00:11:45.140 Good for you that you at least took too long.

00:11:47.660 No, most people don't even recognize that.

00:11:50.020 I just did a monologue on on the, you know, the truth will set you free.

00:11:55.700 But it's going to make you miserable at first, because you have to change if you recognize the truth and it's not in line with what you believe.

00:12:06.000 Most people just go, I'm not looking there.

00:12:08.600 But for somebody, even if you delayed for somebody who go, wow, wait a minute, that's that's a chink in the armor here that I have to examine. 1.00

00:12:18.600 That shows real bravery, real bravery.

00:12:23.140 Thank you.

00:12:23.920 I really don't think it did.

00:12:25.100 It was it really took much longer than it should have.

00:12:27.580 But to your question, do they realize that they're harming the working class, that they're abandoning the working class of all races?

00:12:33.460 Do they realize that this woke worldview is anathema to how black Americans see themselves, Latino Americans see themselves?

00:12:39.540 It's even worse than that.

00:12:40.980 And the argument I make in the book is that it's not just that they have abandoned the working class.

00:12:45.440 It's that they're actually lining their pockets with this.

00:12:48.660 And what I mean by that is you take something like immigration, you know,

00:12:52.100 it used to be a liberal point of view that mass immigration is bad because these people will take working class jobs.

00:12:59.640 Right. That was the Democrats position.

00:13:02.200 Right. It's like it's it's a very simple idea.

00:13:04.880 Right. If you have an open border, there's no way to set a wage floor. 0.67

00:13:08.920 Right. Which to lefties like me, that's, you know, it's very important that we have a wage floor for American citizens.

00:13:14.220 Right. Today on the left, it's considered racist to believe that we should be enforcing the border.

00:13:19.940 But it's, you know, who does that who at whose expense does that come and who does that benefit?

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00:15:02.860 I'm involved in moving, you know, endangered people from one country to another.

00:15:08.940 And we've, you know, Syria and Iraq and now in Afghanistan.

00:15:13.780 And one of the things that I have insisted on from my charity is we don't just dump people into a new place.

00:15:21.820 We help them learn the language.

00:15:24.620 We help them find a job.

00:15:26.940 You know, it does no one any good, especially those who are struggling.

00:15:33.220 It does no one any good to just say live in the shadows.

00:15:38.120 Don't learn the language.

00:15:39.900 Don't learn the culture.

00:15:41.780 That that's that's a death sentence.

00:15:45.240 Yeah, absolutely.

00:15:47.060 Absolutely.

00:15:47.780 So how do they miss that?

00:15:49.240 Well, so exactly.

00:15:51.260 So it's you know, I don't want to say that they're cynical, like that they're they're literally sitting there going, oh, we're going to use this moral panic around race at a time when America has never been less racist, when there's never been more unity around the importance of fighting racism.

00:16:07.500 Right.

00:16:07.880 We're going to use this to get power and to get money.

00:16:10.140 I don't think they're doing that.

00:16:11.040 I think they are really convinced they are really sort of hypnotized by this worldview.

00:16:14.640 But at the same time, it does benefit them economically in very real ways.

00:16:19.720 So to take immigration, for example, I mean, who benefits from mass immigration?

00:16:24.200 Affluent liberals where the wife and the husband both have very demanding jobs, where they need a lot of domestic labor.

00:16:29.620 Right. That's that's those are the people who are benefiting from this.

00:16:32.360 Right. People who want to go out to eat and don't want to pay five hundred dollars in New York City for a nice meal.

00:16:36.960 They are the people who are literally benefiting from this influx of immigrants, while it is poor Americans, working class Americans, black Americans who have seen who are who are bearing the burden, who are paying the cost for this. 1.00

00:16:48.520 Now, this is something that it's if you say this to a liberal, they cannot.

00:16:51.960 There's no it's not like they're sitting there that they know this.

00:16:54.760 Right. And they're doing it on purpose.

00:16:56.260 They really cannot comprehend it.

00:16:58.260 It's very hard to get.

00:16:59.520 So then how do you how do you open the door to that without being accusatory?

00:17:04.880 I think there are a lot of people on both sides that are misguided and they have such shields up because of the way society is.

00:17:15.640 But if you can just break through, I really, truly believe that most Democrats are not talking about people in Congress.

00:17:23.500 Most Democrats, most Republicans, most independents, they do want to do the right thing.

00:17:29.200 You know, you didn't have a problem with 15 days to flatten the curve.

00:17:32.500 Nobody wants to kill everybody and nobody wants to die.

00:17:35.840 You know, so how did it happen with you?

00:17:39.680 How did it start to open with you?

00:17:43.980 OK, so you'll like this story.

00:17:46.980 I had Trump derangement syndrome in the beginning when he was elected.

00:17:50.340 I felt I took it personally.

00:17:52.580 I felt how could you have done this to me?

00:17:54.800 Right.

00:17:55.020 I kind of had it, too.

00:17:56.860 I kind of had it, too.

00:17:58.100 Really?

00:17:58.680 Yeah.

00:17:58.960 Oh, yeah.

00:17:59.260 I was against Trump.

00:18:01.320 I wait.

00:18:02.120 So what how did you change?

00:18:03.500 How did you what changed your mind?

00:18:05.600 So I was on the air saying this is a nightmare.

00:18:08.680 This goes against everything that we stand for.

00:18:11.360 Yeah.

00:18:11.540 And and I said the day of the election, after it was announced that he won, I said he's I

00:18:19.920 said the same thing I said about Barack Obama.

00:18:22.640 He's all of our president now.

00:18:25.020 And if he does what I think he's going to do, I will tell you about it.

00:18:31.040 If he does the opposite of what I think he's going to do and he does good things, I will

00:18:37.620 judge him just like I did Obama on his actions, not his words.

00:18:43.100 So let's see.

00:18:44.820 And it took about a year, but he started doing things that no president would have done.

00:18:52.120 And they were good, positive things.

00:18:54.260 And you could say whatever you want about his rhetoric.

00:18:57.940 And I'd agree with you.

00:19:00.180 But when you look at the things he actually did, the unemployment number for minorities,

00:19:04.920 for women, for Hispanics, Israel, his relations on Israel, the peace in the Middle East.

00:19:12.960 How can you deny those things?

00:19:16.820 I mean, I'll take it even further.

00:19:18.740 Another, his economic policy was Bernie Sanders platform in 2015.

00:19:25.700 Wow.

00:19:26.900 Right.

00:19:27.540 Think about it.

00:19:28.200 Right.

00:19:28.400 In 2015, Bernie Sanders was talking about the importance of restricting immigration and

00:19:32.560 having a strong border because we had to protect working class jobs.

00:19:36.300 Bernie Sanders was talking about tariffs, talking about a trade war with China.

00:19:40.580 Bernie Sanders was talking about getting rid of NAFTA.

00:19:43.200 Right.

00:19:43.400 And Trump did all of those things.

00:19:45.760 I mean, as a lefty, I thought all that was great.

00:19:49.600 And I kept waiting for some liberal to agree with me, somebody to be like, oh, yeah, this

00:19:55.580 is the stuff that we wanted.

00:19:57.120 How awesome is this?

00:19:58.240 And look at the unemployment numbers.

00:19:59.540 It is so funny because I will say, yeah, because that's what that's what I was saying.

00:20:05.380 How does no one on the left?

00:20:07.300 Because he was doing some things like I'm against trade barriers.

00:20:10.840 I actually was for the one on China, but I'm against trade barriers.

00:20:15.800 And and I'm like, how is the left is getting a lot of the stuff that they like and they still

00:20:21.660 hate him?

00:20:22.680 I know it was really it was really funny.

00:20:24.920 I will say, though, the right also there was because, you know, they didn't like this

00:20:29.680 stuff, right, because they do believe in this, you know, free trade and trickle down stuff

00:20:34.020 that I'm not a fan of.

00:20:35.580 There was an I felt like there was a taboo on talking about Trump's economic policy on

00:20:39.360 both sides because the liberals had vowed to oppose everything.

00:20:42.880 So when he did things they liked, like the First Step Act, nobody could even talk about

00:20:46.700 it.

00:20:47.060 But the right couldn't talk about it either because they didn't like it either.

00:20:49.740 But they were he was on their team.

00:20:51.180 And so people you tell people about his economic agenda, nobody's heard of it.

00:20:55.260 Nobody knows, you know, nobody knows that the new NAFTA is the most pro labor trade deal

00:20:59.620 America has ever signed.

00:21:00.960 Yeah, seems like an important thing for people to know, you know, nobody knows it, right?

00:21:04.800 Right.

00:21:05.080 Nobody knows that he released 5000 black men from prison.

00:21:08.700 It's like you tell people that it's like there's it's been memory hold, you know, because

00:21:12.380 he's the wrong person.

00:21:13.600 It's it's insane.

00:21:15.200 I mean, I watched his his prison reform policy, which I was all for.

00:21:21.300 That's fantastic.

00:21:23.420 Fantastic.

00:21:25.060 And he you know, the thing that was was bad, I thought was.

00:21:31.760 There were so few honest people on either side that would go, you know what?

00:21:38.540 I don't like this, this and this.

00:21:41.060 But that was amazing.

00:21:44.000 That was amazing.

00:21:45.480 So you were telling me how this turned.

00:21:47.440 You were.

00:21:48.220 Oh, yeah.

00:21:49.120 Arrangement syndrome.

00:21:50.140 Yeah, I had the derangement syndrome.

00:21:51.640 And then one day my rabbi said to me, we were just talking about something on Shabbos,

00:21:57.140 like, you know, on the Sabbath.

00:21:58.680 And, you know, at some point Trump's name came up and he went, well, I love the guy.

00:22:02.120 And I was like, come again.

00:22:03.440 And he was like, I think he's great.

00:22:06.060 And you have to understand, my rabbi is one of these people who, you know, in the winter

00:22:09.240 when he walks down the street, if he sees a homeless person, he'll start taking his clothing

00:22:12.860 off and giving it to the homeless person.

00:22:14.580 Like, he's the best person I know on this planet.

00:22:17.820 And it's just the cognitive dissonance.

00:22:20.200 You know, the most amazing person I know not only voted for Trump, but loves the guy

00:22:24.440 and thinks he's doing a great job.

00:22:25.700 And it was like immediately that had an overnight effect on me where I suddenly was like, well,

00:22:30.820 he's not a racist.

00:22:31.620 So it can't be that every person who voted for him is racist.

00:22:35.120 And what I tell people from this experience, Glenn, is like, how do you change somebody's

00:22:39.840 mind?

00:22:40.300 Like, it's not going to be through information.

00:22:42.320 It's going to be through being like my rabbi, being somebody who is so virtuous that when somebody

00:22:48.420 meets you, if they don't agree with you, they're going to have to question themselves

00:22:52.280 because your virtue, your goodness, your humility, your generosity is incompatible with

00:22:59.480 being evil.

00:23:00.200 And that is how we stitch back together the fabric of American society.

00:23:04.820 That's it.

00:23:05.760 But this goes back to your thesis in your book.

00:23:11.660 And the problem with the media today is, you know, I've met a lot of people, a lot of people

00:23:20.860 who have said horrible, horrible things about me and then got to know me and has they've

00:23:30.140 turned out to be friends.

00:23:31.480 And I'm the same way we have been.

00:23:34.960 We allow the media to make everyone into a cartoon figure.

00:23:39.040 I am not, you know, in 2007, I was on the list of the most admired men in the world.

00:23:48.420 I believe it or not.

00:23:49.600 I was in between Nelson Mandela and the Pope.

00:23:53.120 And I said to my family, well, I'm not that guy. 0.97

00:24:04.900 That just shows you how screwed up America is. 0.90

00:24:07.500 But then I became really, really hated. 0.99

00:24:10.200 I'm not that guy either.

00:24:11.740 I'm not.

00:24:12.860 And we just we pick either sinner or saint, devil or angel.

00:24:21.580 And that's not who people are.

00:24:24.740 It's the American story.

00:24:28.260 Winston Churchill is one of my favorite guys.

00:24:30.920 But if you read about Winston Churchill from the West, he's fantastic.

00:24:35.400 Go read about him from anything written by an Indian in India. 0.96

00:24:42.120 He's a monster and deservedly so. 0.96

00:24:45.940 So which is he? 0.99

00:24:47.200 Is he good or bad or is he both?

00:24:50.200 And we have to look at people's trajectory because they change.

00:24:54.380 I think that the part of why conservative media and people like you are so hated by the left is because of your influence with the people that they have abandoned.

00:25:11.160 Like the left, the liberal media, I write about this at length in my book, the 20th century is the history of the liberal media abandoning the working class.

00:25:21.900 And it just, you know, it's a hockey stick.

00:25:23.400 It started small, you know, around the 70s.

00:25:25.600 It really started to escalate in the last 10 years with the great awokening and this whole woke revolution.

00:25:30.580 It really that's just that is just the last stage of journalists abandoning the working class.

00:25:35.120 They can't stand that someone like you, through respecting your audience and through speaking to them about the concerns of their life and not sneering at them and not talking down to them,

00:25:46.560 that you have created a rapport with the people that they believe should be disenfranchised, essentially.

00:25:52.900 And I'm not going to sugarcoat it, you know, like there really has been this.

00:25:57.360 The reaction to Trump was very much that these people don't deserve the right to their franchise.

00:26:03.040 They don't deserve the right to elect the people that we don't approve of.

00:26:06.600 And and as the liberal media's influence has gotten smaller and smaller, because now it's only about catering to this top 10 percent liberal elites.

00:26:14.940 Right. That's that's the the market right now.

00:26:17.360 I think there's a lot of resentment about the relationship you have with your audience.

00:26:23.280 But but they but it's so clear you cannot have a relationship unless it's an abusive relationship.

00:26:30.660 You don't have a relationship with somebody who you despise.

00:26:35.380 Totally. And they and they and they they know they despise the middle of America.

00:26:42.020 They know it. So how could they be jealous of a relationship when they don't want a relationship with that person?

00:26:50.180 You know?

00:26:52.240 Yeah, that's like it's a great question.

00:26:55.080 It's a great question.

00:26:56.060 I mean, I think if you look at the way religion and religious people are treated in the liberal media, it's it's just so clear, the contempt, you know, the way working class Americans are.

00:27:07.800 And it's at a time when and you might disagree with me about this as, you know, somebody who's more free market oriented.

00:27:12.900 But to me, it seems like we're living at a time where the economy is very, very good for people in knowledge industry jobs, people with elite educations.

00:27:22.700 You know, 20 years ago, if you were an intellectual, if you were a journalist, if you were worked in a college, you weren't that much richer than, you know, a cop.

00:27:30.340 You didn't make that much more money today.

00:27:32.260 You really do that.

00:27:33.420 You know, the left, the liberal intelligentsia is now in the top 10 percent that they're not the economy is really working for knowledge age jobs.

00:27:40.980 And it's really not working for the working class.

00:27:44.160 It's really not working for the middle class.

00:27:46.120 You see these deaths of despair that to me are just this perfect sign of what happens when you take five million good factory jobs, jobs that Americans of all races built their communities around and you ship them to China. 0.96

00:27:58.760 What you see is just suicide.

00:28:00.520 You see the suicide of this way of life.

00:28:03.020 And both sides have abandoned the working class.

00:28:05.580 In my view, both sides are catering to elites in a way that's that's really, really, really an abandonment of the people who need us the most.

00:28:13.400 And it's a threat to our democracy.

00:28:15.020 Well, I think that's true, especially when you look at who was it I heard talking about how they're now catering to these giant corporations because it's a lot easier to talk to five giant corporations and get them on your side than it is to talk to, you know, 12,000 small entrepreneurs.

00:28:40.860 And, you know, when you when you when you have to choose, I got to raise money, raise money over there instead of raising money over there.

00:28:49.660 And everything now is being catered to I mean, it's it's it's it's so weird how we have changed positions.

00:28:58.940 I've always, always looked at things like, you know, Blade Runner and, you know, I work for the corporation and I'm like, oh, please give it a rest.

00:29:08.800 But now it is clear, especially as we're going into the the metaverse, it is clear that corporations are running things.

00:29:21.140 And you've got the media, you know, the protectors of the average person being spokespeople for those giant corporations.

00:29:32.240 When did that happen?

00:29:35.700 It's just so it's not it's that it's on corporations, right, where, you know, covid was the covid economy was the biggest transfer of wealth in American history from the lower and middle classes up to these, you know, centralized economy.

00:29:50.540 Essentially, you see it with with big tech silencing conservatives, trying to drive them out of the public sphere and liberal journalists cheering this on.

00:30:00.300 You see it with free speech. Right. It used to be the right was the side of like blasphemy.

00:30:05.620 You go to jail for swearing. Right. And the left was the side of like, no, we have to have, you know, these liberal values.

00:30:11.720 And today it's totally the opposite. You see conservatives on the side of free speech and liberals on the side of silencing or look at science.

00:30:18.220 Right. Like liberals used to be like the people saying, oh, everything is relative.

00:30:22.900 Facts are not real. You know, science is a construct. It's created by people. Right.

00:30:28.540 And you used to have conservatives being like, no, no, like, let's look at facts. Facts exist. Right.

00:30:33.800 Today, there's been a total shift where the liberals are on the side of this, you know, state sponsored intrusion of, quote, unquote, the science into your life, even when it's not science.

00:30:43.900 Right. Even when it's just, you know, experimental stuff and you have the right being like, wait a minute, wait a minute.

00:30:49.300 You know, science, the scientific method is a process. Right. We have to wait and see, like, what's going on.

00:30:54.760 There's been a total, total reversal. And to me, it is all about class.

00:31:00.100 It is all about the fact that liberals have become extremely highly educated in a tiny number of very elite institutions.

00:31:08.740 And those people, the people who come out of those institutions have a lock on culture.

00:31:13.280 Like you were saying earlier, you know, you turn on any movie on Netflix, any TV show, and you know immediately which character is the evil Trump voter.

00:31:20.960 Yeah. You could tell immediately everything is sticking to me that this is the bad guy, you know, you know exactly like when and we all just accept this, you know, as like.

00:31:30.240 I was talking to a friend. I was talking to a friend the other day about this new show that I'm watching and I saw one episode and I was like, oh, that's funny.

00:31:41.040 And then I started to see where it was going. I'm like, oh, there's a lecture coming.

00:31:46.820 And it's a comedy. It's a mindless comedy. And I found out later, because I literally liked the premise of it.

00:31:53.680 I found out later it's a BBC show. So I've now watched three seasons of the BBC show because there's no booby trap.

00:32:02.320 It's just leave me alone. There's no booby trap in there that's political.

00:32:08.520 Totally. And I think, though, and the worst part about it is like liberals don't know.

00:32:16.440 They literally don't know that conservatives care about things like mass incarceration, police reform, you know, like they don't know.

00:32:25.260 They're just in total denial.

00:32:27.060 But that, again, is the media. I mean, you know, when when we are, you know, when when my audience raises 45 million,

00:32:38.520 million dollars to take at risk women and children and minor religious minorities, anyone who's marked for death and we move them out of the region and the media says nothing.

00:32:53.380 How do you expect the average Democrat to think anything other than conservatives are monsters that don't care?

00:33:01.800 It's it's it's it's so horrible. I mean, literally Republicans have overseen the most extensive criminal justice reforms over the last decade, often, you know, being blocked by liberals, by Democrats.

00:33:17.280 You know, someone like Chuck Schumer who blocks criminal justice reform.

00:33:20.740 But you look at Georgia, you look at Idaho, these states that are just overseeing mass prisoner releases because that is in line with their Christian values.

00:33:28.560 Right. And you can't hear about this anywhere. You can't. You just liberals are totally unaware of this.

00:33:34.460 And so when you ask, how do I? Yeah. Do you do you consider?

00:33:40.360 The average Democrat to be on board with this, because I really think you go into the center of the country.

00:33:49.260 And this divide does not it doesn't seem to exist as much.

00:33:55.780 Maybe it does. But when I go, I go up to Idaho.

00:33:58.760 I have a place in Idaho, a ranch, and I'm around people who are generally conservative.

00:34:04.660 But there are liberals there, too. But we we still know the difference between good and bad, good and evil.

00:34:11.680 You know, it's not it's not these cartoon characters.

00:34:15.800 It's they know my heart and I know their heart.

00:34:19.140 And when it comes to something bad happening, we're both there on the front lines trying to help.

00:34:25.500 So is that the truth or not?

00:34:28.140 I could not agree with you more. In fact, this book that I wrote was not the book that I initially wanted to write because I was doing a lot of reporting from the South during the Trump era.

00:34:37.800 And I was shocked by what I was finding. I mean, none of this would shock you.

00:34:43.520 But, you know, you're taught a certain thing about conservatives and you think it's true because everybody, you know, believes it.

00:34:49.860 And then you go into the South and you see that it's completely different.

00:34:53.980 I'll just give you one example.

00:34:55.960 I met these amazing pastors, Pastor Derek Hawken and Pastor Jay Stewart, the pastors of this church called The Refuge.

00:35:03.180 And The Refuge used to be two churches.

00:35:05.140 This is in Greensboro, North Carolina, the home of the civil rights movement.

00:35:08.820 This used to be two churches, a historically black church and a white megachurch.

00:35:13.400 And they decided to merge because they wanted to bring the kingdom of heaven onto earth.

00:35:18.940 And this was in 2016, right after Trump was elected.

00:35:21.980 And what the black pastor, Pastor Derek Hawkins told me was he said to me, you know, because, of course, his entire congregation voted for Hillary Clinton.

00:35:32.000 And, you know, we can be sure that at least 85 percent of the white, if not more of the white evangelical church had voted for Trump.

00:35:38.780 And what Pastor Derek said to me was, you know, I think if I allow an administration to come between me and a person of another race, that lacks maturity. 0.98

00:35:48.080 And, like, that was it.

00:35:50.940 And but that is that is such a that is to me, I was like, oh, that is so amazing.

00:35:54.620 But, you know, he's like, no, everybody I know thinks this, you know, the divisions that we think that, you know, that represent the entire nation.

00:36:01.860 They are a totally elite phenomenon.

00:36:05.580 They exist in the political class and in the chattering class. 0.93

00:36:08.360 Why?

00:36:08.820 Because they make money off of it and they get power off of it.

00:36:11.460 They get power from dividing us as Americans. 0.99

00:36:13.680 And, you know, if your listeners will take one thing away from this, it's something that I'm sure they already know, just like, you know, which is that so much more unites us than divides us.

00:36:22.100 And we cannot allow people to use our hearts as the place where they're making money by teaching us to hate our fellow Americans.

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00:38:02.720 So how do we get there, though?

00:38:07.420 I mean, you know, there are it is, you know, there's some great things that are going on in the country where people are being encouraged to reach out to people that they think they don't agree with.

00:38:21.920 But it's not mass, I think the things, you know, I think one of the benefit, I'm a praying man myself, and there was a time in like 2010 or 11, I was seeing all of this stuff coming, all the seeds being planted.

00:38:41.380 And I'm like, how, how, how, how, how do we fight this?

00:38:47.300 And I was overwhelmed with the feeling that these aren't your enemies.

00:38:51.940 They're his enemies, not mine, because the rights don't come from me.

00:38:56.040 They come from him.

00:38:57.040 And so don't worry about it.

00:38:59.020 And I felt there in their arrogance, they will fail.

00:39:02.440 And the arrogance that is happening right now, I think, is waking a lot of people up on the right, on the, sorry, on the left.

00:39:14.920 They're waking up, right?

00:39:17.180 Yeah, totally agree with you.

00:39:18.860 Yeah, yeah.

00:39:19.980 I think you're seeing a real shift.

00:39:22.620 Yeah.

00:39:22.800 And is it these, is it these pivot points like Afghanistan that we, that we all recognize that was dishonorable and we shouldn't act like that.

00:39:33.340 We shouldn't be that country.

00:39:35.040 And then they just keep spoon feeding this narrative that, oh, all wars end that way.

00:39:40.040 And this, this is right.

00:39:41.240 And there's only, you know, 150 people left that want to get out.

00:39:44.920 And you're like, what?

00:39:46.620 Is that what's happening?

00:39:47.900 Well, as a populist who very much approved of, you know, President Trump's decision to withdraw from Afghanistan, I'd probably fall on a different side of this than you do.

00:39:57.000 No, no, no.

00:39:57.280 I think it was very, very brave that.

00:39:59.460 No, no, no.

00:40:00.340 I want us out of Afghanistan, too. 1.00

00:40:03.440 I think we should have gotten out of there a long time ago.

00:40:06.840 Yeah.

00:40:07.300 Just not that way.

00:40:09.120 Yeah, it was, it was, it was bungled.

00:40:10.960 But it's funny because somebody who used to be an ambassador to Obama, he gave me a really interesting explanation for why it was so bungled.

00:40:19.740 What he said was, was that, you know, Biden brought in, he sort of brought the band back together.

00:40:25.400 You know, he staffed the State Department with all of the Obama people. 0.59

00:40:29.740 And all of those guys, they knew that Obama had said he would withdraw from Afghanistan.

00:40:33.860 And they managed to make that not happen.

00:40:35.660 And they knew that Trump said he would withdraw.

00:40:37.480 And, you know, people managed to convince him not to.

00:40:39.300 And they were very certain that they would be able to roll Biden over on this.

00:40:43.420 And that's why, you know, Biden thought they were sort of following his lead.

00:40:47.220 And they were certain that he was going to follow theirs.

00:40:48.980 And that, to me, was actually kind of, it was the best explanation so far that I've heard for why it was such a mess.

00:40:53.980 I agree with you.

00:40:54.720 It was a mess.

00:40:55.440 That's a good explanation.

00:40:56.240 I honestly do think that wokeness is the reason that a lot of liberals are waking up, you know, that just the insulting nature of it, the way that it fails to accurately capture the richness of opinion in the black community, the way that it's, you know, like you said, the contempt that this worldview shows for their fellow Americans who they know are no longer racist.

00:41:23.320 I think that people are just fed up with the attempt to re-racialize American society.

00:41:29.680 And we're ready for unity.

00:41:31.000 I mean, we're ready for unity.

00:41:34.700 But, boy, I mean, look at Virginia. 0.88

00:41:38.360 Look at Virginia. 0.99

00:41:39.100 Yeah.

00:41:39.700 They were all, all the media was on television while the lieutenant governor, the first black woman, is accepting and walking into the role. 1.00

00:41:51.800 They're all saying this was a racist thing.

00:41:54.960 It was all racist dog whistles.

00:41:56.760 And you're like, how can these people be racist when they just elected her and a Hispanic at another high?

00:42:03.980 It's not that.

00:42:06.460 It was so amazing.

00:42:07.900 You're like, I'm going to see the split screen of Lieutenant Governor Winsome Sears, a Jamaican immigrant, leading the crowd in chants.

00:42:16.860 USA, USA on one side of the screen.

00:42:20.000 The other, Joy Reid calling her a white, you know, this a victory for white supremacy. 1.00

00:42:24.260 Right.

00:42:25.440 It was the two Americas. 0.89

00:42:26.660 And, I mean, honestly, it's just that image of Winsome Sears.

00:42:30.800 It was really, I think, a lot of liberals.

00:42:33.880 That is what they want to believe America is.

00:42:36.480 And that is what they believe America is.

00:42:38.300 And that is what America is.

00:42:39.920 And the Joy Reid side is 6% of the people are in that group.

00:42:45.220 You know, we talk about it like that's all the Democrats.

00:42:47.740 It's really not.

00:42:48.480 It's a tiny, tiny minority that's drunk on its own, you know, success in this economy that rewards these elite educations.

00:42:56.780 I don't know why.

00:42:57.720 And that, you know, punishes people who are working class.

00:43:00.520 Again, I don't know why.

00:43:01.920 And, I mean, I guess I wrote a whole book about why, so I shouldn't say that.

00:43:05.840 But I have a I have a few congressmen and senators that I talk to a lot.

00:43:14.520 And they're not they're not necessarily the ones that people would think that I'm talking to.

00:43:19.440 And I have tried to convince them, guys, now is the time to do what happened in 1856.

00:43:27.860 And that is stand up and go, you know, I figured out that neither side actually cares about these problems.

00:43:38.800 That you're not serious about solving anything.

00:43:42.060 You're you're playing we're playing a giant game here and I'm not playing it.

00:43:48.420 And neither are my fellow Democrats and Republicans.

00:43:52.900 This guy is a Democrat.

00:43:54.840 This guy's a Republican.

00:43:56.280 That guy's a Democrat.

00:43:57.460 That person's an independent.

00:43:58.860 And we're done playing this game.

00:44:02.260 That needs to happen because the people, the good people in Washington are they're just boxed in.

00:44:11.460 They're they're they all want to quit because they're like that nothing's going to work.

00:44:15.180 I'm like, you've got to find somebody on the other side that you can grab onto that believes in common sense things.

00:44:23.400 We are so far away from talking policies.

00:44:29.900 Everything we're doing right now is a principle that is either being upheld or violated.

00:44:36.380 We are down to the Bill of Rights at this point.

00:44:40.380 How can we not join on that?

00:44:45.120 That's so interesting.

00:44:46.900 Say more about that.

00:44:49.320 You know, the banking thing where they wanted to, you know, the debate was six hundred dollars or ten thousand dollars.

00:44:56.200 Right.

00:44:56.700 Right.

00:44:57.160 That's a nonstarter, not because of any other reason.

00:45:00.380 Then it's a violation of the Fourth Amendment.

00:45:03.920 You can't do that.

00:45:06.200 Right.

00:45:07.180 The the the vaccine thing.

00:45:11.740 If you want that mandate, then it has to be done by individual states.

00:45:16.940 And you could do anything as a state.

00:45:19.860 Texas could say this and somebody else could say that because the states have the right to do it.

00:45:25.780 It constitutionally is against the law for the federal government to do that.

00:45:33.720 You know, and they and nobody seems to to care.

00:45:37.520 It's like we don't even believe in free speech anymore.

00:45:40.460 You know, when when you're being silenced, I'm a guy after 9-11, a conservative on talk radio and Bill Maher is fired from ABC.

00:45:53.660 I defend him.

00:45:55.920 I thought what he was fired for was horrendous.

00:45:59.440 But he what part of politically incorrect did you not understand, ABC?

00:46:04.680 You know, how'd you miss that?

00:46:08.220 It's in the name of the show.

00:46:13.840 Well, yeah, it's really it's it's so depressing.

00:46:16.980 You know, you know, I'll look at somebody like Senator Josh Hawley, for example.

00:46:21.500 Right. He's got this new bill that probably you think is terrible, but I think is fantastic.

00:46:26.520 You know, 50 percent of every product is going to be made in the United States.

00:46:30.500 You know, I think it's probably not constitutional, but I love it anyway.

00:46:33.560 I love that. Let's let's protect American jobs.

00:46:36.760 Right. So wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

00:46:38.820 Yeah. So I do have there.

00:46:41.120 And I would say we don't just do it if it's unconstitutional.

00:46:44.920 And I don't know about that.

00:46:47.140 However, I believe that our corporations are so out of control and they are in bed with the government.

00:46:57.040 So there's collusion going on there.

00:47:00.060 Crony capitalism.

00:47:01.060 That is not a free market.

00:47:03.100 It's got to stop.

00:47:04.620 But I also believe that we've gone so far off the beaten path.

00:47:09.520 We don't make our own medicine.

00:47:12.240 We don't make enough steel anymore.

00:47:14.980 And I'm not for government subsidies, but I am for there are some things in the national interest.

00:47:23.140 If China falls or we go to war with China, we're screwed.

00:47:28.340 Right.

00:47:29.440 Because they make everything we would use in the right, right, right.

00:47:34.700 Totally.

00:47:35.460 I feel like I watch the media and I'm like, can you guys talk about something important?

00:47:41.360 Can you talk about anything that truly matters?

00:47:45.940 No, totally.

00:47:46.840 Well, I'm so glad to hear you say that.

00:47:48.380 What I was going to say is you would think that there would be Democrats lining up to join hands with him and say,

00:47:54.820 I want to be the co-sponsor of this bill that's going to single handedly bring back manufacturing to America. 0.99

00:48:00.460 You know, nobody, nobody will join with him because of stupid things. 0.97

00:48:04.320 Like, you know, whatever, because he's on the wrong side. 0.99

00:48:07.680 But there are populists on the right.

00:48:10.420 You know, somebody like like Marco Rubio, for example.

00:48:13.340 Right.

00:48:13.660 Who's out there talking about common good capitalism.

00:48:16.260 How can we create a capitalism that works for the bottom, that works for the working class? 0.91

00:48:20.780 And there's the first thing you have to do is get government out of business.

00:48:28.400 Get them out of picking and choosing winners.

00:48:32.300 You know what I mean?

00:48:34.620 I mean, because, you know, this Facebook farce with them coming up and going, she, I found I'm a whistleblower and she, we should regulate.

00:48:45.940 Really?

00:48:46.740 You're a whistleblower?

00:48:48.040 Because that's exactly what Facebook wants.

00:48:50.760 They want the government regulation.

00:48:53.620 Oh, that's so true.

00:48:55.560 You'll see their ads and it's like Facebook calls for government regulation on Facebook.

00:49:00.440 And it's like, it's like the first thing.

00:49:01.860 I thought that was really funny, too.

00:49:03.340 She showed up and said, oh, Instagram is making young women feel bad about their bodies. 1.00

00:49:09.740 And, like, I hate to break it to them, but, you know, we all feel that way.

00:49:15.760 I'm sorry.

00:49:16.620 Like, you think that we grew up feeling great about ourselves?

00:49:19.400 Correct.

00:49:19.560 We didn't, you know?

00:49:20.440 Right.

00:49:21.300 Right.

00:49:21.620 So it's totally a moral panic.

00:49:23.560 And it's a moral panic that, exactly like you said, gives more power to the government and to, you know, the liberal control and centralized control over things like big tech.

00:49:34.420 Right.

00:49:34.620 I agree with you.

00:49:35.220 But I do think that the, I also agree with you that there's been just the decimation of small businesses in a way that's just horrific and the centralization of government.

00:49:45.000 But at the same time, I do think that the government, I do feel that the government, this is like my quasi-socialism coming out.

00:49:50.960 But, you know, I say I'm a socialist the way Donald Trump was.

00:49:54.120 Like, he felt like it was the government's job to protect working class jobs to the extent that we can.

00:49:59.200 And, you know, it was the government that sort of shipped those jobs overseas.

00:50:02.480 And I think we should, you know, government should be bringing them back.

00:50:05.840 Well, I will tell you the, if you read anything about the Great Reset, have you, are you up on that?

00:50:14.660 Oh, God.

00:50:15.620 Yeah.

00:50:16.180 Yeah.

00:50:16.440 I mean, what's, I don't know if you saw what happened this week, but the great, the great narrative or the new narrative just kicked off.

00:50:25.280 And if you just read their opening statements, it is the most arrogant elite.

00:50:33.280 We are going to change humanity.

00:50:37.000 Oh, God.

00:50:37.680 And if we could just tell the government all around the world, you know what, people, if you're going to even suggest that, you should be having open meetings everywhere because you're talking about controlling and changing humanity.

00:50:59.920 Well, I don't know.

00:51:00.500 I'm a member of the human race.

00:51:02.520 Change us to what?

00:51:04.100 How are you going to affect my life?

00:51:05.900 Can you tell me the details?

00:51:08.740 Yeah, it's so foreign to religious people like us because we believe that we were created perfectly and in God's image.

00:51:15.760 And the problem is that, you know, our government has not always treated all people equally.

00:51:21.400 But that is the standard we should be getting to is to having a government that reflects God's divine plan.

00:51:26.560 You know, God creating us all as equal and as, you know, each one of us, every single one of us, no matter who we are, as being, you know, exquisitely created in the divine image.

00:51:35.320 And equality before the law being a reflection of that, right?

00:51:38.760 So, yes, we're still struggling with that.

00:51:40.540 I believe we still need to pursue police reform, criminal justice reform.

00:51:43.880 Me too. I'm with you.

00:51:44.420 I know.

00:51:45.380 And you're with me.

00:51:46.220 We're trying to, you know, to match God's perfection.

00:51:50.400 Like humans don't actually, we are perfect already and we need to strive to fulfill that potential and to be perfect to each other.

00:51:57.740 But the idea that somehow we need a revolution to change the nature of humanity is just, it's so foreign to religious people, which is still the vast majority of Americans.

00:52:07.080 But we're yet we're being dictated to by these elites.

00:52:10.280 So I have you heard the new album from Phineas, Billy Eilish's brother.

00:52:19.580 It's it's really genius, really genius.

00:52:22.800 And he is he's got to be way left, way left because she's way left.

00:52:29.880 OK, but the family did something right with those two and they're brilliant.

00:52:38.180 And so I'm listening to it and I'm confused because I'm like, I'm on the side of those lyrics and I know he's a lefty.

00:52:47.640 So what am I missing?

00:52:49.800 And I wrote to my daughter.

00:52:51.580 She's in her 30s and I said she's been listening to it a lot, too.

00:52:54.600 We both love it.

00:52:55.240 And and I said, what do you think?

00:52:58.760 What is he saying here?

00:53:00.860 And she said, Dad, I think he's just recognizing his privilege.

00:53:06.960 And I said, not to be rude, but what the hell does that even mean?

00:53:12.220 And she said, you know, that we have things, you know, that we didn't earn.

00:53:17.360 And I said, OK, so let me just state it this way.

00:53:23.380 I'm a religious person.

00:53:24.660 I believe I didn't do anything to deserve my life.

00:53:28.940 I didn't do anything to deserve this planet.

00:53:32.800 The the things that I did.

00:53:34.380 I mean, at times I were I wasn't working against the universe.

00:53:39.420 And so it kind of helped me, you know, make some, you know, better choices.

00:53:46.140 But nothing I did.

00:53:47.920 And I am every day grateful to my God for giving me those things.

00:53:53.340 And if I am truly grateful, I understand.

00:53:58.620 That I had a very little role.

00:54:01.040 I know where it came from.

00:54:02.760 So I should serve that God.

00:54:04.960 And the best way to serve him is to help my other fellow human beings.

00:54:09.720 And I will confess my arrogance to my God, but not to a mob.

00:54:15.200 And it feels like there is this wokeness is a religion and you will kneel before it and you must confess.

00:54:25.800 Well, I only confess to my God.

00:54:28.040 I only confess to my God.

00:54:30.660 What is the difference between recognizing your privilege when I do do that every day?

00:54:39.540 Just not to the mob.

00:54:42.460 That's so interesting.

00:54:44.020 I push back when people say that wokeness is a religion because to me, when I think about my religion, it's so built on the concept of chuva, which is, you know, return, you know, making amends, forgiveness.

00:54:58.700 And I know that grace is a big component of Christianity and even Islam, like this idea that we are the point of religion is to have a standard that you're always falling short of.

00:55:08.460 Right.

00:55:08.640 And to always hold yourself to a higher standard than others.

00:55:11.220 Right.

00:55:11.560 To always feel grateful.

00:55:13.520 And I feel like the woke ideology is sort of the opposite of that.

00:55:17.440 Number one, you're never forgiven.

00:55:18.960 You're never given any grace.

00:55:20.700 You know, there's no way of.

00:55:22.040 So Christians would refer to that, though, as and say this carefully, because people think when you say it, they think something else that that is an antichrist teaching.

00:55:33.000 It's not it's not that they're the antichrist.

00:55:36.100 It's that that is against the teachings.

00:55:38.700 It's the opposite of Christ.

00:55:40.400 And it can still be a religion.

00:55:43.560 You know, does that make sense?

00:55:46.520 But I understand.

00:55:47.580 I think I understand what you're saying is you view religion as.

00:55:52.040 A good thing that makes you more humble, et cetera, et cetera.

00:55:55.600 And I agree with that.

00:55:57.120 But there is also something that uses the same.

00:56:02.220 I mean, you have to bow down.

00:56:03.960 There are high priests.

00:56:06.000 You have to accept the dogma exactly the same or you're out. 0.90

00:56:11.700 You're a heretic.

00:56:13.060 I mean, how else? 0.95

00:56:15.080 I mean, it's a bad religion. 0.99

00:56:16.180 I guess I would.

00:56:18.600 I would call that more political, like because it's about the use of power against people.

00:56:24.460 And to me, religion is about like there's no spirit to it.

00:56:27.560 There's no spirituality to it.

00:56:30.120 Can you have a religion without spirituality?

00:56:32.180 We're getting so like meta.

00:56:33.660 I know.

00:56:34.100 I'm sorry.

00:56:35.640 No, I love it.

00:56:36.620 I love it.

00:56:37.980 I think that it's, yeah, the arrogance and the, to me, the real problem is the abdication

00:56:47.500 of the belief that we are, the belief that Dr. King held, you know, that we were all created

00:56:52.600 exquisitely in God's image.

00:56:54.300 And it's, you know, America, America, you promised us that you were going to treat us

00:56:58.580 that way and you never did and you never have, and it's time to make good on that check.

00:57:02.540 You know, that's, that's my religion.

00:57:05.020 Right.

00:57:05.360 And that's, and I think that is, you know, the Declaration of Independence is our mission

00:57:11.480 statement and we have never accomplished it.

00:57:14.580 But I can't think of a higher mission than all men are created equal and endowed by their

00:57:20.080 creator with certain inalienable rights.

00:57:21.940 And governments are instituted among men to protect those rights.

00:57:25.700 I can't think I would stop being an American in a heartbeat the minute you give me a better

00:57:32.340 mission or we accomplish that mission, but we haven't even, we've had times when we come

00:57:38.200 close and then we fall short and then we come close, we fall short.

00:57:41.280 But right now we're saying throw that mission out and, and I guess be people who are looking

00:57:49.740 for revenge.

00:57:50.680 I mean, I think, right.

00:57:56.020 I mean, it's, it's a question of whether you think America is on this divine path to

00:58:00.420 being a place that grants all humans equality that we all admit is not yet there, but is

00:58:07.340 on the path towards that or if America is a fallen place whose DNA was in white supremacy

00:58:12.120 and racism and it is essentially irredeemable.

00:58:15.100 That's the real divide.

00:58:16.140 But honestly, like it's a divide between 94% of Americans who think the first thing and

00:58:21.180 the 6% of, you know, far left progressives who think the 16, 19 version of that.

00:58:26.480 I don't think the divide is between Republicans and Democrats.

00:58:29.380 It's between a super highly educated academic radical fringe that happens to have infiltrated

00:58:36.080 the mainstream liberal media from the New York times to CNN to the Washington post to NPR.

00:58:41.060 My God, NPR can't listen to it anymore.

00:58:42.900 Right.

00:58:43.560 That, that's sort of the, the, the narrative that I talk about in my book, bad news.

00:58:47.040 But I think that it's not, it's not 50, 50, it's 94% of us believe the first thing that

00:58:52.560 America is essentially on the path towards being fulfilling its promise because it is the greatest

00:58:58.340 nation on earth to ever exist.

00:59:00.620 And then the 6% of far left progressives who have that other view that it is irredeemable

00:59:06.100 and it is still a white supremacy.

00:59:07.760 By the way, only 6% of black Americans are in that 6%, right?

00:59:13.540 A new Pew study came out asking people all of these questions and it found that only 6%

00:59:18.740 of black Americans have the views that we, you know, that we consider woke, right?

00:59:24.420 So it's sort of these, this tiny elite 6% of Americans allegedly speaking as if they're

00:59:29.100 speaking on behalf of black Americans, appropriating the real pain of black Americans who have been 0.89

00:59:34.740 shunted over and over while black Americans themselves remain overwhelmingly patriotic.

00:59:40.660 I am convinced that alcoholics and minorities are going to be the ones to fix this country 1.00

00:59:50.160 because alcoholics, alcoholics will be like, I hit my bottom and I don't want to go any deeper

00:59:57.440 than this.

00:59:58.040 And there is a way to fix it.

00:59:59.560 And minorities are the only ones that can actually speak to the wokeness and go that, 1.00

01:00:06.760 that I'm sorry.

01:00:08.180 No, I, I know America did some bad things, but my neighbor didn't, my neighbor didn't,

01:00:16.780 and we're making progress.

01:00:18.640 And can we get back to making progress?

01:00:20.460 Cause this is stopping everyone from making progress.

01:00:25.120 Do you see that coming?

01:00:29.920 Do you, cause you're so optimistic.

01:00:31.420 Do you see changes like that coming?

01:00:34.900 Yeah.

01:00:35.000 Yeah.

01:00:35.680 Totally.

01:00:36.540 Totally.

01:00:37.180 Of course.

01:00:38.240 You're lying to me or you?

01:00:39.900 No, I'm serious.

01:00:41.260 No, I am a very like naturally optimistic person.

01:00:43.900 It's just how God made me.

01:00:45.100 But I do, I do.

01:00:46.340 I, I, you know, I, like you said, you started, I was on CNN talking about this stuff.

01:00:51.040 Who would have thought, you know, that CNN would want someone to be on there being like,

01:00:54.840 guys, you got too woke.

01:00:56.180 What's up with that?

01:00:57.160 You know, like who, CNN lost its working class audience in the last 10 years.

01:01:01.940 You know, something it was doing in the last 10 years, convinced people without a college

01:01:06.140 degree.

01:01:06.620 This is not the channel for us anymore.

01:01:08.380 Liberal people without a college degree, right?

01:01:10.480 The media knows this.

01:01:11.580 They know that they are just, just, they have lost that working class audience who now

01:01:15.860 goes in, you know, in all only, you know, had the conservative media has a lock on that

01:01:20.700 audience.

01:01:21.440 I'll give you another surprising statistic.

01:01:23.600 Okay.

01:01:24.040 Then in 2019, they asked black Americans, where do you get your news?

01:01:28.160 So 12% said the New York times.

01:01:31.840 How many do you think Fox news got?

01:01:34.780 36%.

01:01:35.260 Fox news is getting three times the black readership as the New York times, but the New York

01:01:41.560 times is drunk on the idea that somehow they are the virtuous anti-racist side and Fox

01:01:48.980 news is only for racist and whatever, you know, or like Donald Trump, right?

01:01:53.200 Who increased his, his standing among minorities to where he was, I think he got the most minorities

01:01:58.520 of any Republican, you know, in the, in the last hundred years, right?

01:02:02.620 Glenn Youngkin, Glenn Youngkin, who, who got 40 to 50% of Latinos ran alongside the first

01:02:09.940 black woman who will be Lieutenant governor in the state's history.

01:02:13.980 14% of black women.

01:02:15.920 Okay.

01:02:16.220 Which is, it's not a lot, but it's double what Trump got.

01:02:19.320 He, he flipped entire black districts, right? 0.99

01:02:22.100 This is a man who, who ran on, you know, the economy, who ran on schooling and the media's

01:02:27.540 response to that white supremacy wins again.

01:02:29.720 Right.

01:02:30.080 I mean, it's just not, you're going to sit here and call 50% of Latinos white supremacists.

01:02:34.580 Okay.

01:02:34.760 Put me with them.

01:02:35.600 You know, I'm not going to be on the side smearing my fellow Americans because they're worried

01:02:39.520 about inflation.

01:02:41.260 John F.

01:02:41.580 Kennedy said in 1961, an error, um, is not a mistake.

01:02:48.560 An error only becomes a mistake when you refuse to change it.

01:02:54.700 Uh, and, uh, the media just keeps doubling down.

01:03:01.600 Are they going to, is there a reawakening or are they just going to burn themselves to

01:03:06.540 the ground?

01:03:07.920 I think that there's a shift.

01:03:10.060 Um, I think people are realizing it's gone a little bit too far in the media.

01:03:15.280 I think so.

01:03:16.640 Yeah, I think so.

01:03:18.280 I'm sensing a little bit of a, a little bit of a shift.

01:03:21.240 Yeah.

01:03:21.760 I think that it's, it's just, I will tell you, I don't know if you saw that.

01:03:24.680 The New York times just made a video.

01:03:27.100 I watched it last night.

01:03:27.900 It's like 16 minutes long where they said, we're looking at the red States and the blue

01:03:32.640 States.

01:03:33.400 And if we say, did you see this?

01:03:35.980 I saw it.

01:03:36.860 Yeah.

01:03:37.300 It's crazy.

01:03:38.100 And they're like, yeah, if we believe these things, then the red States are doing it better 1.00

01:03:42.260 than we are.

01:03:43.580 Uh, and I, I could not believe that came from the New York times.

01:03:47.080 So what are some, what would you, what is your advice to people who want to shift to be a

01:03:55.040 uniter and not a divider?

01:03:56.420 Like what are some lessons you've learned or some things that you've changed in your approach

01:04:00.540 to this job that, you know, we can learn from?

01:04:03.020 Um, so the biggest thing that I, uh, learned was certainty is not a good thing.

01:04:14.020 And the only thing I am certain of is that I am not certain of anything is a new mantra

01:04:21.140 of mine.

01:04:22.700 Um, and the other is, uh, stop trying to win.

01:04:29.640 Stop trying to be proven right.

01:04:33.080 Okay.

01:04:33.720 Oh, wow.

01:04:34.400 Just, just, Oh, if, if I approach somebody and I think they're wrong, because this is what

01:04:43.180 happens to me all the time in an interview.

01:04:44.980 Um, they think I wrong and they will not change no matter what I say, they won't change.

01:04:53.420 I've been in front of audiences.

01:04:55.400 I did this in Los Angeles.

01:04:56.940 I was in, I was invited to speak in front of an audience that hated me.

01:05:02.160 Okay.

01:05:02.600 I knew it going at very liberal, uh, you know, Los Angeles audience and I knew they were going

01:05:09.880 to hate me.

01:05:10.320 And I started the, the, the speech out, how many in this room think they hate me?

01:05:17.600 Be honest, probably 95% of the room raised their hand.

01:05:22.340 It was amazing.

01:05:23.520 I said, I appreciate that.

01:05:26.060 I appreciate that.

01:05:27.280 Give me 40 minutes.

01:05:29.480 Open your mind for 40 minutes.

01:05:31.460 Okay.

01:05:32.180 And I just talked to them.

01:05:34.120 And then I said at the end, how many people still think they hate me?

01:05:39.080 And it was about 10% of the audience.

01:05:41.860 Uh, and it, it, it, it came from me just, me just saying, look, first we have to have

01:05:50.760 time to listen to each other and we have to have time.

01:05:54.720 I connect with you on these things and these things are big.

01:06:01.660 These things are not so big and we can disagree over here, but these things are huge.

01:06:08.680 After the speech, I had a woman come backstage and, uh, she said, um, my father was one of

01:06:16.320 the seven, uh, from the red scare.

01:06:19.600 And she's like, I consider my family liberal, but everyone else would say we're communists.

01:06:27.940 Okay.

01:06:28.420 She's like, I'm sure you would think we're Stalin.

01:06:32.440 She said, but listening to that, she said, being in the room, my first thought was my dad

01:06:39.480 is turning over in his grave that I'm sitting here listening to you.

01:06:43.140 She said, I will fight by, by your side.

01:06:47.040 She said, we agree on so much and none of it was about socialism.

01:06:52.900 None of it was about Marxism or free capitalist, you know, society.

01:06:56.640 It was about how can we help each other be better as people?

01:07:02.340 Because when we better ourselves and we listen to each other, we stop being so arrogant.

01:07:08.520 We can actually find solutions.

01:07:12.680 So what were in the two buckets?

01:07:14.780 What was in the bucket of this is what matters and what was in the bucket of this doesn't matter?

01:07:20.420 Um, I've got, I've been on a big kick of the bill of rights.

01:07:25.180 Uh, you know, if do, do, will you, will you agree with me on nine out of the 10 of the bill of rights?

01:07:35.740 Okay.

01:07:36.700 We can argue about one.

01:07:38.280 Give me even eight out of the 10, but those are the things that were our unum.

01:07:45.000 Okay.

01:07:45.680 E pluribus unum.

01:07:47.360 We didn't all come here because it was a great land or we could all get rich or whatever.

01:07:51.780 We came here because we felt we could be free, even if it was not totally free, even if it, you know, it failed.

01:08:01.640 But we believed that the average person had a shot and that came from a government.

01:08:09.920 Justice is blind.

01:08:12.700 Social justice is not real.

01:08:15.520 Social justice is blind and it has to treat everyone the same because as soon as that stops happening, now you've got all kinds of players and money and, you know, who's a favorite, all of that stuff that isn't good for the left and isn't good for the right.

01:08:35.560 That's why I don't like big regulation is always bad because you think your side is going to be in.

01:08:44.680 And so it's good for you.

01:08:46.100 Well, at some point the other side gets in.

01:08:49.200 It's bad.

01:08:51.720 Totally.

01:08:52.740 Yeah.

01:08:53.420 No, that makes perfect sense.

01:08:55.120 Yeah.

01:08:55.740 So is CNN going to invite you back?

01:08:57.880 Oh, wow.

01:09:00.160 I don't know.

01:09:01.700 Because you said to Brian Stelter, you said, it's brave of you to have me on.

01:09:06.580 And I thought, no, it's actually ignorant of him to have you on because I don't think he understood having you on a second time is brave.

01:09:20.860 What is I go where I'm invited.

01:09:22.840 But I have to tell you, it's a real honor to be here with you.

01:09:26.500 You know, I've obviously been watching you since you were at CNN.

01:09:30.020 But didn't you hate me?

01:09:31.840 I didn't.

01:09:32.720 I always loved your show.

01:09:34.580 I loved you on Fox.

01:09:35.600 I felt like you brought this sort of like, you know, when you go to the chalkboard, there's something about that that is very like, it's both like campy, but also like, it really invites the viewer in where they're at.

01:10:01.720 Yeah.

01:10:01.920 You know, like there's a, it's like this combination of sincerity and performance that is, I've always found it really compelling.

01:10:11.820 Wow.

01:10:12.220 Thank you.

01:10:12.980 You're like one of the only that was in the media that got that.

01:10:17.360 That's, wow.

01:10:18.700 Thank you.

01:10:19.000 No, I love it.

01:10:19.620 I think it's so great.

01:10:21.100 And I, you know, it's just so, there's so many levels at which it works.

01:10:26.360 And I've always just thought it was great.

01:10:28.020 Are you, are you in transition with friends and, and jobs and everything else?

01:10:35.220 Cause you, cause everybody I, everybody I meet that's on one side or the other and they're like, wait a minute.

01:10:43.880 Everything changes for them.

01:10:45.280 I lost a lot of friends, um, on the left.

01:10:50.500 Like you would think someone is your friend and then you would log into Twitter and there they were denouncing you to the, to the world, you know, like that, that happened when I first, oh God.

01:11:00.920 Yeah, it is.

01:11:02.660 It is.

01:11:04.180 And they would, but as my rabbi said, you know, Hashem never pretend, you know, he never promised.

01:11:08.460 It would be easy to tell the truth.

01:11:10.760 So I take a lot of comfort in that.

01:11:12.580 Um, but yeah, I think, um, I'm very lucky to work at Newsweek.

01:11:15.660 They, they, they really have taken a sort of anti-cancel culture position.

01:11:18.940 We run, I run people from across the political spectrum and, you know, I just take the, you know, there's a, there's a saying in the Talmud, take the truth where you can find it.

01:11:28.620 You know, and that's sort of, I think that's really important.

01:11:33.320 Yeah.

01:11:33.720 Yeah.

01:11:33.980 You do that too.

01:11:34.940 I see you doing that all the time.

01:11:37.660 Try.

01:11:39.080 We try.

01:11:40.620 It has been a real pleasure.

01:11:42.280 I hope we get a chance to meet, uh, sometime.

01:11:44.940 It is, it is very rare in, uh, in media or really almost anything today to talk to somebody who is willing to say, I've changed.

01:11:58.020 And I think we're dead if we don't change.

01:12:02.480 Totally.

01:12:03.380 We're, I mean, there's a difference between flip-flopping and changing and growing.

01:12:08.460 So thank you for that.

01:12:10.500 Thank you for that.

01:12:11.580 You, you really, you did it very publicly and I, I really admired that about you.

01:12:15.900 I don't know if you've read your book, but I think that's pretty public.

01:12:19.820 I think you've done it too.

01:12:21.300 God bless you.

01:12:25.200 Thank you so much.

01:12:27.000 Thank you so much, Glenn.

01:12:28.480 You bet.

01:12:28.760 Just a reminder, I'd love you to rate and subscribe to the podcast and pass this on to a friend so it can be discovered by other people.

01:12:41.480 Thank you.

01:12:54.340 We'll be right back.

The Glenn Beck Program - November 13, 2021

Ep 125 ｜ The Journalist Who Schooled Brian Stelter on Woke Media ｜ Batya Ungar-Sargon ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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