The Glenn Beck Program - Ep 129 ｜ ‘The Media Is an Assembly Line to Hell' ｜ Andrew Yang ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

00:00:00.000 What do you offer the world?

00:00:01.680 What do you want to leave behind?

00:00:04.780 These things are something that the questions that should be the questions that motivate political action.

00:00:14.100 But instead, political, the root word is politics.

00:00:19.480 And politics is decided by shady deals between elites.

00:00:23.220 And nobody really ever thinks, how do we want to leave this world?

00:00:30.000 And then honestly pursue that.

00:00:32.820 Today's guest is not that politician.

00:00:35.720 And that's what makes him an incredible politician, in my opinion.

00:00:39.360 He has years of experience inside the tech bubble, which we talk about in this podcast.

00:00:45.520 A little frightening, quite honestly.

00:00:47.760 It earned him a position of the presidential ambassadors for global entrepreneurship in the Obama White House.

00:00:56.760 Then he decided, hey, I know what I want to do.

00:00:59.480 I want to run as a Democrat in 2020.

00:01:02.700 His presidential bid is what made him a household name, but also dragged him through the mud.

00:01:10.300 Watching the Democratic nominee debates, it was obvious that he was probably at least a decade ahead of any other presidential candidate.

00:01:19.360 And nobody wanted to deal with what he was talking about.

00:01:21.880 I have for a very long time.

00:01:24.200 He is talking about and writing about issues that truly matter because they are issues that we're all going to face.

00:01:33.260 And people don't even know what they are, let alone, oh, that's never going to happen.

00:01:39.140 He's offering solutions for now in the age of automation.

00:01:45.640 He's also taking on capitalism and a way forward for the election.

00:01:53.860 He wants to usher in capitalism, but a new kind of capitalism.

00:01:57.520 He calls it human capitalism.

00:01:59.960 He also thinks everybody should get $1,000 every month.

00:02:02.860 These things I disagree with, but we have a fascinating conversation on.

00:02:09.020 I had to boil down his message.

00:02:10.740 It would be current system isn't working and things are about to get much, much worse.

00:02:17.300 So we need to innovate quickly.

00:02:20.080 The system is broken.

00:02:21.500 The path to improvement is left or right.

00:02:25.640 He says, no, it's not.

00:02:26.980 It's forward.

00:02:28.280 That's the name of his of his new book.

00:02:34.080 Political Party as well.

00:02:36.740 Founded by our guest.

00:02:38.200 He outlines all of it in his book and in this podcast.

00:02:41.140 Forward notes on the future of our democracy.

00:02:45.280 Please welcome Andrew Yang.

00:02:47.620 I want to talk to you about something uncomfortable, and it is abortion.

00:02:52.480 It is the leading cause of death in the U.S.

00:02:57.200 Isn't that crazy?

00:02:59.120 Since Roe versus Wade, over 62 million babies have been aborted in the U.S.

00:03:05.580 Nearly one in four pregnancies end in abortion.

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00:03:25.280 I can't sometimes forget what month we're in.

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00:03:28.800 Preborn is the direct competition to Planned Parenthood.

00:03:32.880 They're the largest provider of ultrasounds in the U.S.

00:03:36.580 And what they have found is by letting women who are thinking about having an abortion 0.92

00:03:41.680 see an ultrasound of their baby and hear the heartbeat,

00:03:45.100 it brings the chances that she's going to choose life for her baby up a staggering 80%. 0.89

00:03:52.100 Preborn.

00:03:53.720 They partner with the clinics in the highest abortion rate cities and regions.

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00:04:01.900 Over the past 15 years, they have counseled over 340,000 women giving the ultrasound.

00:04:10.800 That has saved 169,000 babies.

00:04:15.480 And over 51,000 women have surrendered their lives to Christ.

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00:04:54.640 Andrew, how are you, sir?

00:05:00.840 Hey, Glenn, how are you?

00:05:01.920 Very good.

00:05:02.840 It's good to have you.

00:05:04.900 I've been fascinated by you for a very long time.

00:05:08.800 And you'd never come on.

00:05:12.080 We've asked for two years.

00:05:14.020 You'd never come on.

00:05:15.420 And I think that was probably very smart.

00:05:17.800 If you were running as a Democrat, you wouldn't want me fawning on you.

00:05:20.780 But you're in now, and I think there's more in common than we have differences on.

00:05:34.260 We might disagree on some policies, but I really would like to pick your brain and go deep on some topics that are very concerning to me.

00:05:44.660 And they are to you as well.

00:05:47.780 And they're not the topics that politicians are talking about.

00:05:51.920 I would enjoy that.

00:05:53.420 And I suspect you're right.

00:05:54.780 Okay.

00:05:55.200 So first, let me just lay groundwork on one thing.

00:05:58.860 I can have a conversation.

00:06:01.240 And this is something we didn't have to used to say.

00:06:06.140 We never had to have some sort of a litmus test to talk to each other.

00:06:10.640 But if you're trying to throw out the Constitution or the Bill of Rights, I don't know where we connect.

00:06:20.120 You know what I mean?

00:06:21.100 So let me just ask you.

00:06:22.560 Do you agree with the Bill of Rights as written?

00:06:26.280 Yes.

00:06:27.120 Okay.

00:06:27.540 So there's no tinkering with the Bill of Rights.

00:06:30.020 You believe in freedom of speech and freedom of assembly and, you know, trial juries and search warrants and guns, all of that.

00:06:40.980 I believe in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

00:06:43.320 Okay.

00:06:44.860 Okay, good.

00:06:46.580 Because I don't think anybody is.

00:06:48.080 I think a lot of our problems stem from we don't care about the Bill of Rights anymore.

00:06:53.500 And our rights are being horribly, horribly violated or we're setting ourselves up for some sort of China system, it seems to me. 0.93

00:07:04.620 Let's start with just – go ahead.

00:07:07.180 Do you have a comment on that?

00:07:08.880 I don't know.

00:07:09.360 I mean, there are some very, very tough times ahead, which is what drove me to run for president in 2018.

00:07:20.700 And it drives me still.

00:07:23.620 I mean, anyone listening to this or watching you is probably on the same page where we don't think things are exactly heading towards a scenario we'd like to pass to our kids, truly.

00:07:36.580 And it's so irritating for me.

00:07:38.780 I mean, we sent somebody out to report on your campaign at the Blaze.

00:07:45.080 And the guy we sent out, he said, I watched a lot of the politicians.

00:07:49.500 He said, Andrew Yang is the most honest of all of the politicians.

00:07:55.760 He said, you would go out.

00:07:58.980 You would actually listen to what the other politicians would say.

00:08:02.440 You'd actually listen and not have a rote answer for people that were talking to you on the sidelines.

00:08:10.760 You're not a politician.

00:08:13.000 Do you consider yourself one?

00:08:14.520 If I am a politician, Glenn, I'm a very accidental one and possibly a poor one. 0.98

00:08:22.220 My wife comments on the fact that I'm a terrible liar.

00:08:26.220 But for me, I consider myself an entrepreneur and a problem solver.

00:08:32.720 And the problems just have gotten so serious that I at some point said, look, I want to contribute.

00:08:37.920 I want to help.

00:08:39.040 I'm not that interested in holding elected office.

00:08:41.760 I will confess that, too, that it's not like that if I could just finagle my way to some, you know, like like a appointed role or elected office, then, you know, like I don't care about most of those things.

00:08:58.260 You know, but I think that's what Americans are looking for.

00:09:01.940 Partly that was part of the charm of Donald Trump.

00:09:05.380 He didn't care about all of that.

00:09:09.080 He didn't he didn't grow up wanting to be president.

00:09:11.760 He didn't care what anybody thought of him.

00:09:13.560 And that's really refreshing in many ways. 0.99

00:09:18.020 So I think it's a point in your favor that you're you're a bad politician and a bad liar. 0.70

00:09:24.140 I'm at a point where and I think most people are the problems are getting so huge. 0.63

00:09:31.040 And I want to stop hearing from all of these.

00:09:34.640 I'm not an ageist by any stretch of the imagination.

00:09:37.900 I'm older than you are.

00:09:39.440 And I I'm tired of these 80 year olds who have absolutely no idea what tech even is, who are running this country like it's 1950.

00:09:52.360 The world is completely changing.

00:09:55.140 And I would honestly rather talk to you or Elon Musk about solving our problems than any politician in Washington, because they don't they have no vision over the horizon.

00:10:07.100 None.

00:10:07.380 Well, they're not rewarded for having that vision, Glenn.

00:10:10.760 One of the big themes of my book is that people are following their incentives.

00:10:15.980 And unfortunately, we're at a time in American life where if everyone does the reasonable thing according to their incentives, we are sunk.

00:10:23.120 Now, you'd imagine that our government leaders would have some rewards for trying to plan for the future and AI and compete against China and a bunch of other things.

00:10:32.420 But it turns out their job security and their rewards have nothing to do with whether they actually are planning for the future in that way.

00:10:39.920 They don't understand most of the issues because, as you say, many of them are in their 70s or even 80s.

00:10:45.480 And they might not have even answered their own email, much less reckoned with what's happening in the world, right in the world of technology.

00:10:56.080 It's not that I mean, you know, my my parents are old.

00:11:00.380 My wife's parents are older.

00:11:02.040 They use email.

00:11:03.380 They they are somewhat up to date.

00:11:06.020 You know, it's not like a 20 year old kid.

00:11:07.640 But these people have been isolated and have been there forever.

00:11:12.680 They they have no interest even in any of it.

00:11:16.580 Yeah.

00:11:16.760 A lot of them have been in office for 20 to 30 plus years.

00:11:20.980 And I do think that one of the frustrations a lot of Americans feel is that our system is not rejuvenating itself or renewing itself.

00:11:28.340 You know, like you have folks who have been around for a long time running the country into the ground and everyone's like, oh, this doesn't seem to be going well.

00:11:38.560 But the system can't challenge itself that the system is going to just keep grinding on.

00:11:45.260 It's one reason why I think many people did support Donald Trump is because he represented some something different change.

00:11:52.340 I think Donald Trump and Barack Obama were elected in many ways for the same reason.

00:11:58.340 They both campaigned basically on change.

00:12:02.260 One.

00:12:02.920 I think that was part of Bernie's appeal to Bernie also represented a sort of change.

00:12:06.700 Yeah.

00:12:08.460 So so let's talk about what's over the horizon.

00:12:13.620 I want to talk to you about tech.

00:12:15.380 I want to talk to you about cryptocurrency.

00:12:20.100 But what would you say the biggest problem is that we face today?

00:12:25.660 Where would you start?

00:12:26.800 Well, my book starts with polarization, which is that right now, the extreme points of view on both sides are whipsawing our politics and our media.

00:12:39.780 And there is a whole set of people who don't feel like they have a voice in our politics, by the way, because they don't.

00:12:47.200 You know, like they feel that way because it's it's kind of accurate and we're realistically careening towards some version of Civil War 2.0 more quickly and and powerfully than we are leading to some kind of national renewal or coming together.

00:13:07.880 I'd say that dysfunction is making it so that the other problems on the offing, like, for example, China's lapping us in AI or climate change changing our way of life.

00:13:21.520 Like our government isn't able to have any kind of coherent strategy around technology or other issues because the polarization and dysfunction are so baked in.

00:13:34.220 So what is the I mean, that's why I started with the bill of rights.

00:13:39.140 I mean, that's that's where government they're handcuffed. 1.00

00:13:43.200 And if they just actually did just follow those rules, a lot of our problems would go away.

00:13:49.960 A lot of our problems would go away because they're not they are not defending them, following them.

00:13:57.660 They're not promoting them.

00:13:59.340 And a lot of our our discontent is because the government is actually fostering this us against them.

00:14:10.000 And the media is following into that as well.

00:14:12.700 If you just looked at the freedom of speech and somebody was saying, look, everyone has a right, you're not going to like it, you're not going to like it.

00:14:22.160 But they have a right to say it.

00:14:24.060 They have a right to question these things.

00:14:26.060 Just that alone.

00:14:27.260 There's no leadership on that.

00:14:29.860 So how do we get there when, as you say, everybody's incentivized to divide?

00:14:36.340 Yes.

00:14:36.700 Yes. Well, I want to go back to first principles when you talk about the Constitution and the founding of the country.

00:14:44.120 You know, it was not in the Constitution, the Republican Party or the Democratic Party.

00:14:48.680 Right.

00:14:49.700 Like, you know, neither party existed.

00:14:54.000 George Washington warned against it.

00:14:58.260 Yes.

00:14:58.640 John Adams in 1780 wrote that two parties would be an evil upon the republic.

00:15:06.980 So what we think of as carved in stone with the duopoly is something that came into existence years and even decades later.

00:15:16.580 The Republican Party didn't even exist until the Civil War era.

00:15:20.840 Yeah.

00:15:21.280 Yeah.

00:15:21.540 1865.

00:15:23.040 Oh, I'm sorry.

00:15:23.820 1855.

00:15:24.780 Sorry.

00:15:25.060 Go ahead.

00:15:25.360 Yeah.

00:15:26.800 And then, yeah, it really came into its own in the 1860s.

00:15:30.240 So you're not entirely wrong.

00:15:32.440 And it started out as a northern anti-slavery party, like around the Civil War era.

00:15:39.140 The two parties were ideologically closer together until the 1960s when the civil rights movement started to change things.

00:15:49.220 But this duopoly we take for granted is very much a fabrication.

00:15:54.000 Like they came up with it at some point later.

00:15:58.460 And then when you talk about the politicization of our media, at this point, unfortunately, media organizations have made a choice and said, look, we're going to either cater to one side or the other because that's what the audience has now been trained to expect.

00:16:13.900 So our founders would be shocked and horrified if they were to just sort of wake up and look around and be like, wait, what's going on?

00:16:23.300 Like you have two parties?

00:16:25.060 I think around 1820, they would have they would have come back and said, so when did America end?

00:16:31.500 I mean, but we are way off the track.

00:16:34.120 They wouldn't they would not believe that this is run by the Constitution that they wrote.

00:16:40.300 There's there's no way they would believe that.

00:16:42.760 Yeah, we layered in all sorts of stuff.

00:16:46.860 A lot of the stuff is not serving us well at all.

00:16:50.600 And I know that a lot of people that may be watching or listening to this have a libertarian.

00:16:56.540 Impulses, if you are a libertarian in this country, you must feel completely left out and marginalized because, you know, even though that libertarians are clearly the closest thing we have to a third party in the U.S.

00:17:13.540 It's very difficult to so much as get on the ballot in a lot of races.

00:17:17.560 You get completely locked out in the media.

00:17:21.100 Like people are just brainwashed to think that you can only have an R or a D in office in the vast majority of the country.

00:17:28.400 And this is something I would love to see.

00:17:30.180 I would, too.

00:17:30.760 But I, you know, the problem with speaking just of libertarians, because I consider myself a libertarian, but I'm not pure enough for other libertarians.

00:17:41.840 And I never have understood that.

00:17:43.360 Wait a minute.

00:17:44.180 Libertarianism should be about the freedom to be you, you know, and we're going to disagree on things.

00:17:50.620 But that doesn't not make me a libertarian.

00:17:53.780 That makes me somebody who thinks differently than you.

00:17:56.900 And that's one of the reasons why I wanted to talk to you is because I really disagree with UBI, but I see exactly the same problems on the horizon that you do.

00:18:08.520 And I don't have a better answer.

00:18:10.760 So I want to hear I want to be able to talk to you about UBI as somebody who thinks it's a horrible idea.

00:18:20.340 But I also know what's on the other side.

00:18:23.560 Yeah.

00:18:24.060 What else could we do?

00:18:25.220 Can you explain the problem of why we would need a UBI?

00:18:30.720 I have a lot of friends who work in Silicon Valley, tech entrepreneurs, venture capitalists, and 95 percent of them are convinced that artificial intelligence is going to wipe out millions of jobs in industries around the country.

00:18:47.980 And an obvious one that most people will understand and have direct experience with, there are two million Americans who work in call centers right now, picking up the phone, customer service.

00:18:57.040 And Google's AI now can do that job better, maybe right now, as we're having this conversation.

00:19:07.280 And so if Google's AI ends up sweeping away hundreds of thousands of jobs, what do those families do?

00:19:15.660 The scenario I was warning about on the campaign trail was imagine autonomous cars and trucks where when you call Uber, just an Uber shows up.

00:19:28.680 And that is going to happen, that will happen.

00:19:32.700 Yeah, that that will happen to the extent that there are impediments in that direction.

00:19:37.560 And a lot of them are regulatory, you know, and one of the things that you're going to see, Glenn, is that certain industries, let's call them doctors, are going to lobby very actively saying, no, no, no.

00:19:49.920 Like, you can't have a lot of surgery.

00:19:51.620 Doctors were the ones who came out against anesthesia in the 1800s because they were not good.

00:19:59.960 If you were based, if you did surgery, the best doctors were the fastest doctors.

00:20:07.600 And so when anesthesia came, now you could finesse, well, those guys who were really fast were not necessarily the best.

00:20:14.700 And they campaigned against anesthesia.

00:20:17.960 That's the problem is, and that's where government always gets involved and says, well, now, wait a minute, we'll make the, no, let it change.

00:20:26.260 Let the process work its way through.

00:20:30.860 Stop protecting industries that are dying.

00:20:33.360 I bet you believe by 2030, maybe 2035, people will say, yeah, yeah, doc, but what did the machine say?

00:20:44.780 What did the computer say?

00:20:46.700 What did the AI say?

00:20:48.340 Because it will be better at diagnosis than the average really good doctor.

00:20:54.440 Right or wrong?

00:20:55.080 It is correct because the AI is going to be able to reference tens of thousands of cases, you know, like the latest scholarship.

00:21:04.400 I mean, there's no doctor that's going to be pouring through every last medical journal every night.

00:21:11.200 You know what I mean?

00:21:11.840 You're always coming up with new things.

00:21:14.380 So what the doctors do is they do something very important.

00:21:19.160 They pattern match.

00:21:22.560 You know, they base it on the hundreds or even thousands of cases that they've seen and say, okay, this reminds me of this.

00:21:30.220 This reminds me of that.

00:21:31.220 But an AI can reference different sets that are more geographically disparate.

00:21:39.900 They can hone in on the latest advances in a way that a human doctor can't.

00:21:46.520 They have no emotion.

00:21:47.760 You know, there's no bias.

00:21:48.800 They'll just look at it and be like, well, you know, these are just the facts.

00:21:52.960 So even now, a doctor should be consulting with an AI and getting confidence levels or probability levels, being like, okay, there's an 85% chance that, you know, you should be thinking it's this.

00:22:05.780 And the institutions right now are protecting doctors because the doctors are very, very powerful.

00:22:13.880 I mean, this is something that I would like to see change.

00:22:18.300 The other really unconscionable thing, Glenn, we have to know we've had a massive doctor shortage in this country for decades.

00:22:25.580 You know, you go to rural areas and you have to drive two hours to get to a doctor, a specialist.

00:22:30.940 You know why that is?

00:22:32.160 Because the AMA has been restricting supply of doctors.

00:22:35.300 You know, you think there's a shortage of humans that want to be doctors?

00:22:38.520 No.

00:22:39.160 Do you think there's a shortage of a need for doctors?

00:22:41.200 No.

00:22:42.160 So what it is is the medical lobby said, you know what, let's like cap the number of doctors.

00:22:47.800 Let's make sure you can't open new medical schools. 0.95

00:22:50.520 Like there's a lot of stuff going on that serves an industry well but doesn't necessarily serve the public.

00:22:57.300 So that's why we came here in the first place.

00:22:59.800 I mean, originally the pilgrims were because of church.

00:23:02.440 We don't want that church.

00:23:03.740 We want our own church.

00:23:05.300 We want to be left alone.

00:23:06.720 And when we had a new country, it was easy to get rid of all of that stuff but we didn't keep it.

00:23:15.580 So there's no place for us to go unless you're on Elon Musk's spaceship.

00:23:21.420 How do you reset this system to get rid of all of the cronyism without destroying it, without completely burning it down?

00:23:33.400 That is the question.

00:23:34.400 That is the question.

00:23:35.560 That is the project, Glenn.

00:23:37.360 And I have a plan.

00:23:39.600 I'm the man with a plan.

00:23:42.400 So right now there's a higher appetite for a third party or moving on from the duopoly than there has been ever, essentially.

00:23:53.680 Almost two-thirds of Americans say they want a choice aside from one of the two major parties.

00:24:02.600 Independents are the most numerous group in terms of self-identification relative to Republicans or Democrats.

00:24:08.980 This is particularly true, by the way, among young people.

00:24:11.020 Young people, like, are allergic to the two major parties. 1.00

00:24:15.160 I think the only difference between many young people and maybe people of my age, and there's fewer on my age, but there's still a lot.

00:24:26.780 The only real difference was we've seen the Libertarian Party and the Green Party and everybody else try it over and over and over and over again, and they never get traction.

00:24:37.740 And so, I mean, with youth comes a little more optimism.

00:24:40.720 What is going to set this movement apart from any of those other movements that marveled at 6% of the vote?

00:24:51.260 Yeah.

00:24:51.820 So the problem is very, very fundamental.

00:24:55.480 Check it out.

00:24:56.280 Is that if you run as a Republican or Democrat, then you have a lot of voters who are conditioned to vote for you.

00:25:06.220 You have media organizations that will support you and elevate you, and then you have a donor network that will enable you to run and compete.

00:25:15.740 If you try and run as a Libertarian or a Ford Party or anything else, then none of those things exist.

00:25:25.480 The votes, like the votes, the media, and the money are not in place to support you.

00:25:31.060 Also, by the way, the mechanics work against you because the two parties have made it very, very difficult even to get on the ballot as another party in a lot of districts.

00:25:42.000 So in that environment, then it's extraordinarily difficult to try and compete.

00:25:48.080 So how do we do it?

00:25:49.100 What is the plan?

00:25:50.260 The plan is to actually go and change the mechanics at the state levels so that different points of view can emerge and you have a chance to compete in a more genuine way.

00:26:01.640 It turns out because our founding fathers were not into political parties, nothing in the Constitution about it, all of the inventions and fabrications around the two parties are at the state level.

00:26:16.640 The states have set it up so that you have certain rules, and so you can change it at the state without an act of Congress.

00:26:24.320 Hang on.

00:26:24.920 You agree with that, right?

00:26:27.520 Elections held at the state level.

00:26:29.760 Federal government should not be doing it.

00:26:32.140 Yeah, I'm going to suggest in this case, this is our saving grace because the fact is, if you had to try and get something through the U.S. Congress, you know.

00:26:38.340 The reason why I ask that is because there's a push to federalize all that, which would be a nightmare.

00:26:45.240 You're right.

00:26:45.900 The system is broken, and it's broken in the state level, so that's every state needs to start.

00:26:52.000 Everybody who wants a free election should be standing up right now in their state and saying, get rid of all of that stuff.

00:26:59.900 Let these things run free and free.

00:27:02.600 Yes.

00:27:03.960 Yes.

00:27:05.720 Yes.

00:27:06.880 That's exactly right.

00:27:08.300 This is our hope, Glenn, that enough Americans stand up and go to their state legislators or in half of the states around the country.

00:27:18.280 You don't even need the state lawmakers to get on board.

00:27:22.580 You can have a ballot initiative.

00:27:24.100 You just get enough people in Alaska or Missouri or Massachusetts or wherever and just say, look, we'd like to change it so that anyone can run from any party in the election and may the best person win.

00:27:42.940 And we can vote for whomever we want.

00:27:45.580 There's no spoiler effect.

00:27:47.160 There's no like, oh, you made the bad people win.

00:27:50.300 You just set it off.

00:27:51.860 Set it up so it's an open, nonpartisan primary.

00:27:55.380 And then you have instant runoff so that people can vote for whomever they like.

00:27:59.580 And believe it or not, one state already made this change.

00:28:02.400 Alaska made this change last year.

00:28:04.100 Just a bunch of Alaskans got together and said, we're sick of the parties.

00:28:07.400 We're sick of a tiny minority controlling everything.

00:28:11.280 Let's make it so that it's a true democracy.

00:28:13.820 Like, you know, people from any point of view can run.

00:28:17.020 And so we can do what they did in Alaska and states around the country.

00:28:20.240 And that is our hope, Glenn.

00:28:21.660 If we get enough people, Americans, standing up and saying we're sick and tired of this mess, this dysfunction, we can flip this switch.

00:28:28.960 And then if you flip the switch in, let's call it, I don't know, six, eight states around the country, then a state like New York, where I live, is going to be shamed.

00:28:37.220 Where everyone's going to be like, wait a minute.

00:28:38.420 Like, why is it that other states have it so that you could vote for anyone of any party?

00:28:43.480 And here in New York, it's just like, you know, Democrat, Democrat, Democrat.

00:28:46.620 So this is our path out.

00:28:50.580 And I would love for us to get some real life examples of more states following Alaska's lead in 2022 so that then this wave can take place around the country and free us from the madness.

00:29:04.760 So that's the project of the forward party is to enable true lowercase d democracy in states around the country as quickly as we can.

00:29:14.560 Well, that would be good.

00:29:15.560 And I would support you.

00:29:17.040 And I, I mean, I campaign with you for that.

00:29:19.640 I mean, I think that's really that is the answer to most of our problems.

00:29:23.740 People have been cut out.

00:29:25.500 The decision is made, you know, long before people actually vote.

00:29:31.240 Not, I mean, they still have the right to vote for the individual, but I have a, I'm building a museum of American history and it includes all the good things and the bad things.

00:29:41.980 And one of them is a ballot from Alabama.

00:29:45.780 And the Democrats were trying to say, no, no, no, we're not racist.

00:29:51.200 We, blacks can vote, except they can't vote in the primary.

00:29:55.940 And so we have a ballot of the Alabama white primary.

00:29:59.900 So an African-American could not vote in the primary, but hey, vote for any white person you want after that. 0.61

00:30:09.440 I mean, that stuff has to stop.

00:30:12.800 Yeah, there's a famous quote from William Boss Tweed, who ran the New York political machine, where he said, you can do the electing as long as I get to do the nominating, which, by the way, is exactly what's happening in races around the country.

00:30:26.820 It's like, oh, you can show up to vote after we've made it so that, frankly, you know, you don't have a meaningful choice.

00:30:32.540 And a lot of Americans sense that that's what the game is.

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00:32:45.980 I don't think you're a Democrat, but you were a Democrat when the Democrats saw what happened with Ronald Reagan.

00:32:54.460 He was a complete outsider.

00:32:56.680 He comes in.

00:32:58.520 He wins in 1980.

00:33:00.060 The Democrats, the first thing they do is put in the, what do they call it, the super majority or the super delegate.

00:33:08.160 Where, wait, so the people can say one thing, but then this handful of picked by the party politicians can override that?

00:33:18.760 But, I mean, we've been going in that direction for a long time.

00:33:24.700 There is a very legitimate gripe in the Democratic Party where they, you know the DNC sandbag Bernie both times.

00:33:32.360 It's like that, like they really are not content to let the people actually choose someone.

00:33:38.340 It's like, well, you got to choose like the person we think is right.

00:33:41.280 How were you ever a Democrat?

00:33:43.020 How was I ever a Democrat?

00:33:44.600 I will say, Glenn, I've been an independent now for a couple of months and I really enjoyed the heck out of my independence.

00:33:51.040 I just want to believe in big government.

00:33:54.160 I don't believe in big government.

00:33:56.160 The Republicans are big government, but the Democrats are like Stalin-sized government, crazy-sized government.

00:34:06.040 So I'm a big fan of trying to solve problems in the best way possible.

00:34:10.620 It's one reason why I'm for something like universal basic income because I think that people are better situated to be able to make their own decisions.

00:34:18.340 And, you know, like if you have economic resources in their hands.

00:34:22.060 I do think there is an appropriate place for government on things that, frankly, you know, like no individual or even set of individuals can solve for.

00:34:30.100 Something like climate change, which I, by the way, think is a very big real problem.

00:34:34.340 But what I'd love to see is the government get out of our way for the things that it should be getting out of our way for and then do a better job on the things that it purports to be about.

00:34:46.680 Because right now, the frustration that I think a lot of Americans feel is that you have the government not doing the things it's supposed to do well and then sticking its nose into things that it also isn't able to.

00:34:59.180 Like the government's not good at a lot of things.

00:35:01.900 And we have to try and focus on its core competencies.

00:35:06.240 I guess I sound like a business guy when I talk like that, but that's pretty much what I am.

00:35:10.180 Let's go to climate change for a second.

00:35:12.040 I agree climate change is real.

00:35:13.400 I just don't buy any of these answers that we're getting.

00:35:18.300 You know, if you if you actually care about climate change, if you believe the carbon stuff, carbon capture is getting better and better.

00:35:29.980 Nuclear energy is your silver bullet.

00:35:33.960 You don't want any of that.

00:35:35.960 Now, the government, through the World Economic Forum and is starting to control the banks and public private partnerships.

00:35:45.440 And it's we have made so much progress in the United States.

00:35:50.720 And yes, we're not moving at lightning speed.

00:35:53.780 But I think that's because partly it's been so politicized that you've got the same groups going at it with each other.

00:36:01.580 The free market is the solution.

00:36:05.380 I agree on nuclear energy.

00:36:09.440 I agree on carbon capture.

00:36:11.320 I actually championed nuclear energy in the Democratic primary and got beaten up for it because I think that that is where the numbers lead you.

00:36:19.280 And it's a very it's it's it's the safest, safest form of energy ever created by man.

00:36:27.460 Yeah, it's a very safe, sustainable source of energy.

00:36:32.480 Right.

00:36:32.940 And so that that is the problem is that some of the stuff gets politicized where you can be like, oh, I'm for sustainability.

00:36:38.820 It's like, OK, good.

00:36:40.080 It's like I'm for nuclear.

00:36:40.960 It's like, well, no, it's the wrong form.

00:36:42.140 And you're like, well, like, why is that?

00:36:44.760 Right.

00:36:45.580 Right.

00:36:46.420 Exactly.

00:36:47.540 Right.

00:36:47.820 And then the objections tend to be a bit more image based and ideological than around anything that I saw data for.

00:36:59.420 You know, like when when you ask people those questions, sometimes you get arguments that weren't very convincing.

00:37:05.820 What are you specific?

00:37:06.940 Like like like no, like when I would say, hey, I'm for nuclear.

00:37:10.240 And then people like, oh, nuclear bad.

00:37:11.600 I beg, why do you think nuclear is bad?

00:37:12.920 And then they would provide arguments that I was like, well, that's not really a reason why nuclear is not even true at all.

00:37:21.020 Right.

00:37:21.540 Yeah.

00:37:22.180 Yeah.

00:37:23.220 Yeah.

00:37:23.800 So let me go back.

00:37:25.560 We were at UBI and we were talking about people losing their jobs and you were talking about Uber drivers.

00:37:31.740 I just heard the first song, I think, that the singer, the lyrics, the music and the singer, all A.I.

00:37:43.380 And I'm telling you, I couldn't.

00:37:45.640 How was it?

00:37:46.440 It was good.

00:37:48.100 It was good.

00:37:49.980 I mean, I could not believe.

00:37:51.960 And I've been watching, especially the vocal synthesization for a while.

00:37:57.120 You can't, it's not ready for prime time yet, but I'm telling you, it was amazing what I heard.

00:38:05.460 So what jobs are, I get $1,000 a month, but what am I doing?

00:38:11.420 What job will I do?

00:38:13.460 What job will not be taken over by A.I.?

00:38:16.620 In my ideal version of the world, Glenn, people are able to do things that give them purpose and structure and fulfillment,

00:38:23.900 even if it may not be necessarily, like, driving, you know, GDP or innovation.

00:38:32.540 And so an example I use in my book, The War on Normal People, is let's say that you had a town of 10,000 people.

00:38:38.800 Everyone was getting $1,000 a month so that you all of a sudden had another $10 million in buying power going through that town.

00:38:45.400 And then someone decided that they wanted to start a bakery.

00:38:48.540 Well, the bakery now makes a lot more sense because all the people in the town have a little bit extra money to spend.

00:38:53.900 And you also know if your bakery fails, then you're not going to die because you're going to be like,

00:38:57.940 oh, I can just, like, go home and at least survive and figure it out.

00:39:01.980 And so that town would have a bakery, I'm sure, but it would also have, you know, like a nonprofit,

00:39:10.840 a religious organization that gets more support, like maybe a mixed martial arts dojo.

00:39:16.000 Like, people would be doing things.

00:39:21.420 And then if you say, well, you know, that bakery or that mixed martial arts dojo doesn't matter in the scheme of trying to drive our GDP to the moon,

00:39:29.140 I'd be like, well, who cares?

00:39:30.480 You know, it's like you have people doing things that they'd find worthwhile and exciting.

00:39:36.580 And one example I'll use in real life, too, is that I spend some of my time in a college town.

00:39:44.680 And college towns look a certain way in part because there's just some, you know,

00:39:48.460 kids with money walking around who, like, want to get a beer on Friday night or whatnot, you know.

00:39:54.920 So I think that if you had UBI, you would actually have more towns resemble college towns because people would just have some more money in their pockets.

00:40:02.760 So don't disagree with that.

00:40:04.980 But let me take you to the opposite side.

00:40:08.720 You then have the very top controlling AI, controlling all of this stuff.

00:40:16.880 You know, you want to talk about the ability to influence people, get them to behave in any way you want.

00:40:26.660 You put it up in those into the Silicon Valley tech leadership and what's right on the horizon, what they're already doing in China.

00:40:36.240 You've got a very dangerous situation.

00:40:38.400 How do you not have those who are getting the thousand dollars and doing their little thing in their little town and that gap gulf between that and those who can really control the strings?

00:40:54.180 Oh, we need to tackle that problem, too, in a very, very serious way.

00:40:58.840 And one of the arguments I make in my book that's related to what you're describing with Facebook's ability to control our democracy and subvert free will on some level is that they sell our data for $200 billion a year, every year.

00:41:17.560 And we're becoming like rats in a maze.

00:41:21.640 That's wrong.

00:41:23.300 It should stop.

00:41:24.280 If we decide to have someone access our data for our own convenience, it should still be ours.

00:41:32.020 I can loan it to you.

00:41:35.000 And if you're going to or sell it to you, if you're going to make money off it, too, I should get a cut.

00:41:39.940 I should actually get more than a cut.

00:41:41.160 I should get most of it.

00:41:42.960 So this is a movement around data rights and data privacy and data autonomy that needs to get made yesterday,

00:41:51.920 where these social media companies right now are almost like governments unto themselves.

00:41:59.120 And they've been taking advantage of this massive, massive, frankly, like just failure on the part of our leaders to understand what the heck was going on.

00:42:12.740 They looked up and said, hey, you know, and there was a period, too.

00:42:15.640 I mean, people probably sense like I like technology.

00:42:18.380 I like progress.

00:42:19.200 But, man, if we completely let them eat democracy's lunch, shall we say, we're just like eating up everything.

00:42:30.220 And it's high time that the pendulum swings the other way.

00:42:34.100 And you look up and say, look, wait, what's going on?

00:42:35.900 You have like a trillion dollar franchise because of some rules that were written before your company even existed.

00:42:41.580 Like, does this make any sense?

00:42:42.880 So let me, two parts to this question.

00:42:45.440 One, horse is already out of the barn on that one.

00:42:48.960 Getting that back, the rights to my own intellectual data is, it seems obvious to me, but the horse is already out of the barn.

00:43:02.100 How are you going to do that?

00:43:03.300 Second part of that is when you're looking at, hang on now, I forgot the second part.

00:43:11.400 Answer the first part, and I'll remember the second part of the question.

00:43:14.400 Sure thing.

00:43:14.880 I'd love to tackle the first part.

00:43:16.120 All right, check it out.

00:43:17.540 So once again, the hope comes at the state level where if you want Congress to pass data rights legislation, well, first, I will suggest that there are good examples going on in the EU where the EU has been passing various rules saying, look, tech companies access your data.

00:43:36.220 They have to do X, Y and Z. There is now this thought that people are going to get paid for the use of their own data, which I would suggest would be very, very positive.

00:43:44.200 So it is possible, the EU is showing that.

00:43:47.840 Here in the U.S., Congress is, as you'd imagine, out to lunch.

00:43:51.980 And so one state has passed data rights legislation and created a consumer data protection agency and enabled individuals to have organizations bargain for their data rights collectively.

00:44:08.480 So you could have data unions, you could have, you know, like a representative come and say, OK, like if you're going to do this, then you have to pay our members this, this and that.

00:44:18.220 That state is California.

00:44:19.700 They passed data rights law last year.

00:44:23.480 And now they're putting the agency together.

00:44:26.700 And so the argument that I would make to people listening to this is like, why do Californians have more data protection rights than you do?

00:44:33.920 You know, like at the state level, they should just take if they want to just be lazy, which I have nothing against laziness.

00:44:40.480 I'm an entrepreneur and like entrepreneurs often just frankly take ideas from someplace else.

00:44:45.020 So, like, if you just take the California rule, Montana, and just be like, hey, why don't we just adopt this too, then, you know, you too can have more protection for your consumers.

00:44:59.640 Everyone in your state will be happy.

00:45:01.060 Like, is anyone in your state going to be unhappy that all of a sudden that they have more rights and protections to how their data gets used?

00:45:08.500 So hopefully we can make it so that that California rule is the like the start of a wave.

00:45:16.640 I was part of passing that California referendum.

00:45:20.600 It was a ballot initiative, essentially.

00:45:23.300 And then if enough states do it, then maybe Congress will get its act together.

00:45:26.380 How do you turn that congressional wave when you have Congress and the administration and everybody else not even giving you a right to what you inject into your own bloodstream?

00:45:41.600 I mean, we're losing the right not only of our mind and what we do, you know, in cyberspace.

00:45:50.160 We're losing the right to actually say, no, you're not putting that into my body.

00:45:55.160 Well, again, I don't think Congress is going to be the answer for a lot of these things.

00:46:01.380 I feel like the progress can be made at the state level where the incentives are different.

00:46:07.300 If enough Americans get together and say, look, like I want data protection.

00:46:14.040 I want this sort of ability to make certain kinds of choices.

00:46:18.740 I want to be able to choose a candidate from any party to support or just have an eye next to their name as an independent.

00:46:27.720 That's really the saving grace.

00:46:29.920 And one of the frustrations I think a lot of people share is that our politics have really become nationalized in a particular way.

00:46:36.300 Right. And I, as you can probably tell, like I'm I'm just trying to get stuff done.

00:46:42.040 I'm very practical. And so if you sense that it's not going to happen in D.C., then you have to try and make it happen at the state level.

00:46:49.500 Well, what California does is California's business. You don't like it. Move.

00:46:53.860 I know that's horrible, but I shouldn't. Texas should not be able to influence California.

00:46:59.220 A couple of problems with that on the state level, on the federal level is the change that the progressives made with the Senate. 0.96

00:47:07.240 But on the on the other level is at some point, I've always wanted to live in California, but it's run by crazy people.

00:47:19.660 And I know that that state is going to fail at some point if they stay on this same course.

00:47:26.480 It's unsustainable. I chose not to live there.

00:47:30.880 But when it fails, I'm going to be taxed to pay for it.

00:47:35.860 And as far as I'm concerned, Californians, you voted for it.

00:47:40.760 You wanted it. We should not have everybody else bail you out because of those bad decisions.

00:47:48.860 Nobody learns anything. Do you agree with that?

00:47:53.040 Because you can't you can't have the 10th Amendment right for the states if there's no penalty, if it doesn't work.

00:48:01.060 Well, I think that it's fair to to say, look, another state can make a decision and it shouldn't necessarily, you know, like have any repercussions like across the country.

00:48:14.880 I think that's very reasonable.

00:48:16.660 I do think that California right now is a net payer like that.

00:48:20.620 They have a massive economy.

00:48:23.340 I would recommend living there at some point.

00:48:25.100 And it's like a very pleasant place to live.

00:48:26.740 I mean, you know, you can have you'd have a I understand the the the concerns you might have.

00:48:34.560 And I've actually spoken on my podcast.

00:48:36.660 Some of them.

00:48:37.480 Yeah. My concern is Paramount as a business owner, taxes.

00:48:42.460 It's impossible.

00:48:44.920 I lived in New York City for a while.

00:48:47.340 Took me a year or a year and a half to build two studios up there.

00:48:51.600 I took the Paramount lot in Texas and changed it to a digital space in a week in Texas.

00:49:01.340 I didn't have to jump through all these kinds of hoops that they had me and jumping through in New York.

00:49:06.920 I mean, it's impossible to do business in some of these states.

00:49:10.900 Yeah, no, the red tape is out of control in certain parts of the country.

00:49:16.560 The concern that I articulated in my podcast not that long ago was around some of like the rising theft and crime rates in parts of the Bay Area where, you know, like I walked into a Walgreens and it got robbed in front of me.

00:49:36.000 And then a week later, Walgreens announced they were closing a number of Walgreens in the Bay Area.

00:49:43.540 You know, like some of these things are are having very, very negative impacts.

00:49:51.960 And then, you know, people are voting with their feet.

00:49:54.240 That's not a crime problem.

00:49:56.600 That's a policy problem.

00:49:58.220 That's a that's a problem with the politics, the policies that these people have put in.

00:50:04.900 It's not it's you don't have more criminals there than any other place.

00:50:09.560 It's you're just not enforcing the law.

00:50:13.700 You're saying you can steal up to this amount.

00:50:16.480 We won't call the police.

00:50:17.740 Well.

00:50:19.760 Yeah, as you can tell, I disagree with that approach.

00:50:22.280 And I agree with you that there is like a leadership issue.

00:50:27.620 Yeah.

00:50:28.400 Yeah.

00:50:28.620 Talk to me about the thing that really concerns me is the Fed.

00:50:37.080 If you read any of their either papers, the Treasury and the Fed, they're very much into a Fed coin, which completely defeats the idea and the real love for something like Bitcoin.

00:50:52.860 Bitcoin, they would control it.

00:50:55.940 They would print it.

00:50:58.080 It would be full faith and credit of the United States, which means nothing.

00:51:02.440 And I I have a hard time.

00:51:06.740 I own Bitcoin.

00:51:08.220 I believe in Bitcoin.

00:51:09.780 I want Bitcoin or others to to be able to work.

00:51:13.340 But that's an awful lot of power for the government to let go.

00:51:19.340 Do you see cryptocurrency actually surviving China, the United States and Europe coming up with their own coin to be able to control cash and control people?

00:51:33.000 I certainly hope so.

00:51:33.860 I'm a big proponent of cryptocurrencies generally, Bitcoin in particular.

00:51:41.780 And you're right that the incentive among certain government actors is going to be to try and kill it.

00:51:49.200 You know, there's been a clear tendency among certain Treasury officials to try and go in that direction.

00:51:55.760 And I I tweeted not that long ago that, look, if you have a trillion dollar industry that could define the future and create thousands of jobs, try not to screw it up like that.

00:52:09.840 That to me is fairly common sense.

00:52:12.260 I want the forward party to be an interface for the cryptocurrency community in D.C., because to your earlier point, a lot of folks in D.C. have no understanding or grasp at all on blockchain or the potential of this technology to help democracy function, help make it so that you don't have so much red tape.

00:52:38.040 You know, you can actually trust.

00:52:39.280 Imagine a world where you could vote for anyone you wanted from your smartphone and know that it was hacker proof and the rest of it.

00:52:45.960 I mean, like these things are things that are conceivably possible if we invest in these technologies instead of seeing them as some kind of.

00:52:57.400 Threat.

00:52:58.520 So the forward party hopefully will end up trying to bring some kind of sensible integration of Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies into the financial system.

00:53:07.360 I'm not someone who thinks that, you know, it's realistic to expect there to be no regulation or no taxation.

00:53:13.400 But you have to try and make it so that they're sensible and don't kill innovation and jobs and an immense amount of value creation that could be on the table.

00:53:26.040 Innovation.

00:53:27.000 We talked about global warming a little bit.

00:53:29.300 And I am I mean, I have a house completely off the grid and it's all clean energy.

00:53:37.100 I can afford it.

00:53:39.760 Clean energy at this point is unstable and very expensive to make it stable.

00:53:47.260 The idea that we are going to get rid of cars and be a green economy and shut down our coal plants and our nuclear plants by 2030 is insane.

00:54:04.400 Shouldn't we be looking for the things that actually work and then help foster those things without getting into the free market?

00:54:16.040 Just get those prices to get them to work, get the prices to go down, which is all through innovation and get the government out of it.

00:54:26.580 I don't see how we're going to have electric cars if we don't have coal plants in 2030.

00:54:34.140 I agree with you.

00:54:35.160 We should be trying to build on what works.

00:54:37.400 I did have the pleasure of sitting down with Elon Musk to talk about what the heck we should be doing in this space.

00:54:44.000 And he's a huge believer in solar, which makes sense.

00:54:49.240 And he explained the potential of solar energy to me.

00:54:54.300 And he kind of painted a picture more effectively.

00:54:59.120 But I'm with you that you should be making decisions based upon an effective transition and not for political purposes.

00:55:08.240 You can tell that there are some people who look at it and just say certain form of energy bad, certain form of energy good.

00:55:14.420 Let's get rid of the bad, especially when in many cases there are hundreds of thousands of Americans who are doing jobs in a particular area.

00:55:21.300 And anyone who thinks that we're going to magically be able to transition tens of thousands of people to some other role,

00:55:27.020 like hasn't actually spent any time in a freaking like, you know, coal town, manufacturing town, et cetera.

00:55:36.240 It's like it's like thinking, spending time thinking.

00:55:40.380 It's almost that bad.

00:55:41.980 You don't have to be in a coal town to get it.

00:55:44.100 You just have to think.

00:55:45.440 20 years ago, I said, we are going to approach a time that is going to be as dramatic, if not more so.

00:55:54.000 And I believe now more so than the entire industrial revolution.

00:55:58.380 But it's all going to happen in about a 10 year period.

00:56:01.720 And I think we're at the beginning of that period and people have no idea what's coming.

00:56:09.480 You can't make these kinds of changes to everything all at once and expect that everything's going to be fine.

00:56:17.900 I completely agree with you, Len.

00:56:19.740 And when you said before where you agreed with me on the diagnosis of the problem and then you weren't, you know, you were negative on UBI as a solution and you're still trying to work out what the solution is.

00:56:31.700 I've had versions of that conversation with hundreds, even thousands of people over the last number of years where they're like, OK, I get it.

00:56:38.180 I get that AI is going to start replacing not just call center workers or Uber drivers, but eventually bookkeepers, insurance agents, actuaries, you know, like doctors.

00:56:52.880 It'll keep on just eating through things.

00:56:56.300 And what the heck are we going to do?

00:56:59.460 And I'm saying we should begin the wholesale transition for society.

00:57:04.920 And also, by the way, be realistic about how lousy our government is trying to address these problems at scale and let people solve their own problems and say, look, we're going to take some of the incredible gains from AI and the rest of it and just distribute it to everyone in the form of like a thousand dollar dividend a month.

00:57:23.980 Now, there are people like you who look at it and say, OK, like I don't like that particular solution.

00:57:28.140 Go ahead.

00:57:28.400 I do like that solution because it's my data that they've been mining.

00:57:33.880 That's what Google was for.

00:57:35.920 Yes, that is exactly right.

00:57:38.000 So they've been mining.

00:57:39.260 They built a eye on all of us searching on Google and other and doing other things.

00:57:47.200 Absolutely.

00:57:48.020 That's my data.

00:57:48.960 You didn't pay me for it.

00:57:50.820 We should all own that.

00:57:52.660 I have no problem with that.

00:57:54.400 Yeah.

00:57:55.580 Oh, the data dividend.

00:57:57.120 That was my argument where I said, look, what is the oil of the 21st century?

00:58:00.900 It's our data.

00:58:02.140 And just like they have an oil dividend in Alaska, we should have a data dividend for everyone.

00:58:07.820 I even started something called the Data Dividend Project that's trying to make that happen in the near term.

00:58:14.140 But we should be doing that.

00:58:16.160 And that to me would be one way we can manage what's going to be a hellacious transition period.

00:58:21.340 I mean, this is one of the things I was arguing about in my last book is like, look, if you did everything right, this is going to be a very, very difficult time.

00:58:29.340 But we are doing very little right, which is going to take a very difficult time and make it potentially catastrophic.

00:58:36.000 So when you see what is, you know, I, you know, who Ray Kurzweil is, do you know him?

00:58:50.080 Yeah.

00:58:50.500 Okay.

00:58:51.160 I don't know Ray.

00:58:52.160 Oh, you don't.

00:58:52.780 I think he is.

00:58:54.360 I mean, I don't know him personally.

00:58:55.600 Yeah.

00:58:55.780 You know, I know his.

00:58:57.780 Yeah. 0.82

00:58:58.000 So I, I said to him at one point, you are the most fascinating and exhilarating mind I have been with at the same time, the spookiest damn mind I've been with because his, his logic is we just won't do that.

00:59:17.300 When you bring up anything that's could be a bad thing. 0.71

00:59:21.140 Well, we just won't do that.

00:59:23.340 That's like Google say, don't be evil.

00:59:25.580 Yeah, well, you kind of are.

00:59:30.420 And you look at what is on the horizon.

00:59:36.200 Do you believe in the singularity that we will actually hit the singularity or not?

00:59:44.720 I believe that there will be some artificial generalized intelligence coming down the pike that can do things better than we can.

00:59:53.800 So you believe in AGI, but not ASI?

00:59:59.600 Uh, that, that would be a fair characterization of where I am.

01:00:05.340 Yes.

01:00:05.920 Um, where, um, at least in the timeframe I'm imagining.

01:00:10.000 And I know as soon as you get an AI that can improve itself, then that improvement can take place in an eye blink.

01:00:16.220 Correct.

01:00:16.780 Yeah.

01:00:17.640 Yeah.

01:00:18.120 And then you, then you wind up in race singularity pretty quickly.

01:00:21.500 Um, but, uh, I'm less concerned about that, that version of like the super intelligence, uh, than I am of, uh, the steps on the path there, where I think that you can have something fall short of real, uh, general intelligence.

01:00:41.820 Um, that is still powerful enough to upend the labor market and the way of life for millions of people.

01:00:48.400 Uh, so that, that, that's where a lot of my attention is.

01:00:51.680 So then let's stay there.

01:00:53.120 Cause my point on, you know, with Ray is, oh, we just won't do that.

01:00:58.060 Well, China's doing it. 0.94

01:00:59.920 China doesn't even have, you know, has AI, not AGI.

01:01:03.520 And look at what China is doing. 1.00

01:01:06.060 And we are building the same kind of framework here.

01:01:10.180 And it's really disturbing just leaving it at AI, not AGI.

01:01:17.620 And it is, it is a powerful force that can enslave people.

01:01:26.660 Yep.

01:01:27.260 Uh, so I agree with you and I also agree with your critique of Ray's general optimism that there's, uh, there's a strain of techno utopianism that assumes, uh, the absence of ill intent that I, I find unrealistic.

01:01:43.940 I do too.

01:01:44.460 I mean, I've read a history book.

01:01:49.120 Expecting men to be saints is a really bad idea.

01:01:52.380 Uh, so you and I are aligned when it turns out, uh, on this set of issues where I look at and be like, guys, uh, this is going to be a fiasco, you know, like, uh, if we do get to that level of, of AI, it's going to probably be used for, um, something we're not excited about.

01:02:14.140 Like very, very quickly.

01:02:16.320 Uh, and the steps on the way there are, are each also going to be.

01:02:20.840 I'll tell you one thing too, Glenn, like I ran for president, um, and my concern level has gone up in the last two and a half years in part because of my interactions with the, with the news media where it turns out.

01:02:34.740 So I would talk regularly about the fact that, look, we've lost four manufacturing, 4 million manufacturing jobs over the last number of years in, by the way, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, uh, Iowa, the swing states that, um, uh, the Democrats need to win.

01:02:50.060 And then used to win Missouri, like, you know, used to be a swing state.

01:02:53.560 Um, uh, and, uh, a lot of those 4 million manufacturing jobs were lost due to automation.

01:03:00.560 Um, and I would have conversations with various media outlets about this.

01:03:04.720 And it was like, I was speaking out of language.

01:03:06.400 Like it didn't matter at all.

01:03:07.740 And there was part of me that would think to myself is like, Hey, would it matter if I said 8 million, 10 million?

01:03:14.600 Like, like, I can just like throw a number out there.

01:03:16.560 Like, like it, it, it seems immaterial, immaterial to you.

01:03:19.800 It is the scariest thing.

01:03:21.740 It's the scariest thing.

01:03:22.900 I used to give the media the benefit of the doubt about doubt.

01:03:25.480 And then I actually got into the inside, both of CNN and Fox.

01:03:30.680 It's scary as hell.

01:03:32.660 Scary as hell.

01:03:33.840 The lack of intellectual curiosity on some of the biggest people in media is staggering.

01:03:42.180 You could talk to them and it just, it's like, you're not even there anymore.

01:03:46.420 Are you, you're not even listening to me.

01:03:48.640 Are you, you're just waiting to ask the next question that maybe, maybe you wrote down,

01:03:55.800 but probably your producer wrote down.

01:03:59.060 It's become an assembly line.

01:04:01.180 Um, and it's become an assembly line to hell.

01:04:04.860 I mean, I shouldn't, you know, I mean, it's really that dark.

01:04:08.320 Um, and I had the experience over and over again, where I'd be like, Hey, guess what?

01:04:13.260 Like we did a number on these communities and we're almost certainly going to do the same

01:04:17.880 thing to a lot of other communities.

01:04:19.280 Like, what do you think?

01:04:21.180 And people would, you know, people would, um, have the expression you described where

01:04:27.220 it's like, this is interesting.

01:04:28.300 Let me get to the next question.

01:04:29.420 Um, and I connected with enough Americans where they started to hear what I was saying

01:04:35.400 and say, wait a minute.

01:04:36.240 Like, I think the Asian guy is onto something. 1.00

01:04:39.280 And oh, by the way, he doesn't seem, and oh, by the way, he doesn't seem like a politician.

01:04:44.020 And like, he seems to be saying these things because he believes them.

01:04:46.740 And I don't get the sense from him that he's, you know, like a, a malign narcissist.

01:04:51.240 Uh, and so, you know, that, that'll be, that's pretty much my campaign in a nutshell is like

01:04:56.840 I was trying to, uh, be what Joe Rogan called me like the Paul Revere of automation.

01:05:02.920 Mm-hmm.

01:05:04.060 You are, you are, uh, so I'm trying to imagine how those debates were so fresh.

01:05:18.320 Uh, I know I've been talking about, I've been beating a dead horse for a while on a few

01:05:23.100 things that are really quite frightening that nobody will pay attention to. 0.94

01:05:27.600 And, uh, and I know I stand in a room full of people and they're talking about garbage.

01:05:35.280 I have a really hard time.

01:05:36.820 Uh, Ben Franklin said, I think in 1774, I can't go to parties anymore.

01:05:42.600 I can't talk to people anymore.

01:05:44.740 The times are too important and I go to places and they're just talking about, you know, frivolous

01:05:52.440 stuff and it drives me out of my mind.

01:05:55.120 What was it like to be in the belly of that beast being the Paul Revere and having all these

01:06:03.080 people act like you were the crazy one?

01:06:06.940 Uh, the day-to-day Glenn, uh, was exciting because I found my message was connecting with

01:06:14.960 the American people and I would do events.

01:06:18.240 Um, when I wasn't in front of a TV camera, I would do a rally in Iowa or I do a rally,

01:06:24.220 um, in New Hampshire and hundreds of people would show up and I'd think like, oh, like this

01:06:29.940 is connecting, you know, we can do this, we can do this.

01:06:32.480 So to take the Paul Revere metaphor further, like I was on my horse and then you'd go in

01:06:37.900 and, and sure, I'd have media interviews where I was like, well, you know, like I hope that

01:06:42.120 reached somebody.

01:06:43.440 Um, but then I would talk to real life flesh and blood Americans, uh, in their hometowns.

01:06:50.760 Um, and I felt like it was working.

01:06:52.360 Um, and so when I would, uh, ride around, I mean, it wasn't a horse, it was like a rental

01:06:58.460 vehicle, but you know, I'd like to be dry or in Iowa, it was a bus.

01:07:02.780 It had horsepower.

01:07:04.660 Um, but I felt, uh, like I was almost channeling something else for those weeks and months, uh,

01:07:13.340 invigorated.

01:07:14.180 Um, and I, I tell people that it was only after, um, we failed to make a certain threshold

01:07:21.720 in Iowa, New Hampshire, that I feel like, um, you know, I went from being on horseback

01:07:26.480 to walking on the ground myself again.

01:07:30.720 And I was, I was joking that I felt like I was, um, like William Wallace and Braveheart

01:07:36.200 or something where I was like riding around on horseback and, um, and in slow motion, uh,

01:07:41.480 for a while there.

01:07:42.700 And then, uh, it was only after we didn't hit our goals that, uh, I was like on the ground

01:07:49.340 looking for my helmet.

01:07:55.480 Um, let me, uh, uh, let me, let me talk to you a little bit about, um, on your campaign,

01:08:07.020 riding the horse, feeling like you are making an impact.

01:08:11.720 You had the help of Dave Chappelle and you had some, the people who cut through, you know,

01:08:20.720 Joe Rogan, Chappelle, Chappelle actually campaigned with you and those people, they are attracting

01:08:29.240 your kind of person.

01:08:30.840 What happened?

01:08:33.060 Why, why, why no impact or very little impact?

01:08:39.740 A lot of it, Glenn, is that, uh, I was going in going through a democratic primary, um, where

01:08:47.180 if you look at the Joe Rogan audience, uh, it's enormous.

01:08:50.960 You look at the Dave Chappelle audience, it's enormous.

01:08:52.860 How many of those people were democratic caucus goers in Iowa, uh, or to, to a lesser extent,

01:09:02.800 uh, it's more inclusive, the second group, but democratic primary voters in New Hampshire.

01:09:06.840 Um, there was one poll I saw that was interesting.

01:09:09.860 It had me at something like 14% of support in the general population.

01:09:15.940 Um, I also was the candidate that people wanted to have a beer with the most.

01:09:24.640 I won the Iowa youth vote.

01:09:26.740 Um, I had various strains of support that unfortunately did not overlap that heavily with the democratic

01:09:33.020 primary electorate.

01:09:35.380 Right.

01:09:35.780 Um, which, which is one reason why I'm now so passionate and this is not self-serving.

01:09:40.020 It's just because, you know, I've been through this process now, um, that we need to open

01:09:43.880 it up.

01:09:44.760 We need to make it so that everyone can vote, uh, in these primaries, because if you just

01:09:50.040 subject it to folks who are traditional democratic voters, you're going to have a different, uh,

01:09:57.080 outcome.

01:09:57.860 But would you agree?

01:09:58.640 And I'm the math guy.

01:10:00.400 Would you agree?

01:10:01.260 I just want to point out that, that, that in, in Iowa, like the percentage of people that

01:10:07.140 actually voted in the caucus was something like 6%.

01:10:11.240 Um, and so, you know, like when I would walk around Iowa state, there'd be a lot of kids

01:10:17.460 who'd be excited about me, maybe because they saw the Joe Rogan podcast.

01:10:21.680 Um, I have a hunch that a lot of them didn't show up on caucus night because they might not

01:10:25.560 have been, uh, you know, traditional Democrats.

01:10:28.480 Right.

01:10:29.180 So, but do you think with forward being a third party, would you have restrictions on anyone?

01:10:37.200 So anyone could cross party lines and vote in your primary, or would you have to be somebody

01:10:43.420 that says, I, I want to vote in this primary, not, you know, not, not in the Democrat and

01:10:51.940 the Republican and forward.

01:10:55.480 Oh, thanks for the question, Glenn.

01:10:57.340 Um, the process that we're fighting for is a completely open primary where you can show

01:11:03.080 up and you can vote for whomever you want under the sun.

01:11:06.460 Um, and so it's not that there is, uh, same day.

01:11:10.740 It's like everyone just shows up and yeah.

01:11:13.420 Um, and, uh, and then in our ideal world, then like the top five candidates from any party

01:11:19.360 go through to an instant runoff.

01:11:21.700 And this is the system they've implemented in Alaska, though I think they had top four

01:11:25.500 instead of five.

01:11:27.020 Um, but we just don't believe in closed party primaries.

01:11:29.940 Like the last thing I want is for the forward party to have another closed party primary.

01:11:34.720 I want people to come in and just be able to vote for whoever they think is best, um, and

01:11:40.260 try and vote for the candidate and not the letter next to their name.

01:11:44.080 So really, you know, it's, it's messing, but really hard to do, Andrew.

01:11:49.300 And you know, this, I'm assuming it's one of the reasons why during the primary, you

01:11:54.420 didn't come on here is you wouldn't want to be associated with my point of view or have

01:12:00.880 my praise because you knew the left, the Uber, Uber left, or the media would take it and

01:12:07.060 just drag you through the mud.

01:12:08.980 But the interesting thing about, I started this podcast to, to have people that can agree

01:12:17.360 on a set of principles, the bill of rights, but now we might not agree on anything else,

01:12:22.740 but we can leave with respect for one each or one another and understand what the other

01:12:29.020 person is actually thinking.

01:12:30.520 That's not happening in America.

01:12:32.580 You, if you are a Republican, you are for big business, um, you know, no taxes for the

01:12:40.300 rich, you don't care about the poor and let's just have another war. 1.00

01:12:45.100 Well, I don't agree with any of those things, any of them.

01:12:49.440 And people put me in the category of Republican and that's not how I would describe a Republican

01:12:54.520 either.

01:12:55.160 So how do you do an open primary when it's, you know, nuclear energy, bad, solar, good.

01:13:06.340 Well, that, that is the key to this, uh, in, in these States, and I'm actually going to

01:13:12.160 have fun right now.

01:13:13.200 I just have the list of States.

01:13:14.440 I'm not going to do it entirely, but it's like Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Idaho,

01:13:19.220 that, uh, these are all States where if enough people got together and said, Hey, let's change

01:13:23.500 it to an open primary, then you can make it happen.

01:13:26.220 Uh, now is that easy?

01:13:27.440 No, it's hard, but I just want people listening to this to imagine a process where then you

01:13:32.480 can run from any party you, uh, and you can vote for whomever you want.

01:13:37.240 Do you think more people would care about politics?

01:13:39.340 The fact is right now, 83% of these races are safely democratic and safely Republican.

01:13:45.100 So, you know, your vote does not matter.

01:13:46.900 If you're a Republican, um, in lots of New York state, for example, like, you know, it doesn't

01:13:52.820 matter and so then when people try and convince you, it's like, Oh, like vote, it matters.

01:13:59.140 You're like, well, for some reason I get the sense that my votes, um, kind of irrelevant

01:14:03.320 and it is irrelevant in 83% of the country.

01:14:06.220 What you have to do is make it so that people are actually competing and contesting for our

01:14:11.660 support.

01:14:12.100 And it's not just, okay, I got appointed by the insiders of my party and I'm going to

01:14:17.380 have the money.

01:14:18.080 And so now everyone knows it's going to be me and there's like no suspense in the general

01:14:23.580 and like, it's, it's not a real democracy, Glenn, like right now we're, we have like a

01:14:29.000 simulated democracy when you start getting into the nuts and bolts of it.

01:14:33.620 Now that you've said it this way, I have to, uh, cause I've wanted to say something about

01:14:37.240 three times.

01:14:37.980 We're not a democracy.

01:14:38.940 We're a Republic.

01:14:40.360 Uh, and there, that is a huge important difference, uh, that I always made fun of people who used

01:14:46.400 to say that until recently.

01:14:47.840 Cause now I'm like, no, there is a really, there is a big difference, but you're right.

01:14:52.100 We are not, the people are not selecting their representative.

01:14:57.440 It's not, they're pre-selected in many, in many ways.

01:15:01.200 Yeah.

01:15:01.960 Um, yeah.

01:15:03.000 And that's one, that was one of the interesting ingredients about my run is that people knew

01:15:07.040 I was not selected.

01:15:08.460 Right.

01:15:09.380 Right.

01:15:09.740 But you've left one part out of this equation, um, even though we've talked about it, the

01:15:16.940 other part of the equation is not just opening it up so everyone can run and you could vote

01:15:22.040 for anyone. 0.99

01:15:24.260 This Republic, uh, can't be kept by an ignorant, especially a self-imposed ignorant group of people. 1.00

01:15:35.940 Um, we, our media is corrupt. 0.99

01:15:40.740 Our schools are corrupt and our intellectual, uh, curiosity on the average person also seems

01:15:50.540 to be going down.

01:15:51.900 They don't know even how to critically think.

01:15:56.280 So it doesn't that have to be part of the solution.

01:16:00.280 How do people get their message out in this transition?

01:16:05.180 Uh, I agree with your characterization of the problems.

01:16:09.560 Uh, I think we need to elevate independent voices, uh, that aren't of the corporate media.

01:16:15.440 And it's something that I would, I would love to help with.

01:16:18.100 Uh, when you talk about folks like Joe Rogan and Dave Chappelle, who helped me get my message

01:16:23.420 out, one of my beliefs now, Glenn, is that people don't trust institutions anymore, but

01:16:29.000 they do trust certain people.

01:16:30.140 Like a lot of people trust you.

01:16:31.600 A lot of people trust Dave, a lot of people trust Joe, you know, a lot of people trust

01:16:36.160 Barry Weiss.

01:16:36.880 I mean, whomever it is.

01:16:38.380 So, uh, if we were to elevate that type of voice, uh, I think that we would have a chance

01:16:47.160 to rebuild some degree of trust and, uh, cohesion, coherence, really coherence would be the right

01:16:54.980 word.

01:16:55.220 They're already, I mean, you know, my platform, we beat CNN almost every night, you know, if

01:17:05.960 there were actual ratings, I can see what's behind the paywall.

01:17:09.240 I can see their ratings.

01:17:10.760 We beat them almost every night.

01:17:13.000 It's the trust is already being built with those people.

01:17:16.280 It's the legitimizing because the mainstream media has spent so much time delegitimizing

01:17:23.680 somebody like Barry Weiss.

01:17:25.880 So that, that's what I'd love to help reverse.

01:17:28.720 Um, and I agree with you that by the numbers, you're right.

01:17:32.860 Like a lot of the people I just named have.

01:17:34.640 I mean, Joe Rogan is smashing, you know, audiences on network TV all the time.

01:17:40.160 Uh, and, and this is part of the distortion too, Lynn, where you have, uh, a mainstream

01:17:45.880 media narrative and then it plays into, um, the duopoly.

01:17:51.220 And then you have this undercurrent of all these people that are questioning it and trying

01:17:56.820 to figure out, okay, like how do we change things?

01:17:59.920 And the forward party is the way that we can make our politics actually mirror what the

01:18:05.760 people, uh, are seeing and what they want.

01:18:09.720 And right now that there is this disconnect that threatens to destroy us truly, where it's

01:18:13.840 like, Hey, there are a lot of you and you, you recognize that this is not true and you

01:18:18.320 recognize that the fix is in, but you don't have a choice.

01:18:21.960 Like we're going to try and make it so that you feel like, you know, you're going to have

01:18:26.360 to vote for, um, either A or B and I'm suggesting it's like, you know what, I think the American

01:18:31.600 people at this point, uh, one of the arguments I make too, Glenn, um, Ross Perot got 19.3%

01:18:37.140 of the vote in 1992 in a more trusting time.

01:18:40.920 I'm going to suggest, um, I, uh, an independent, I know who is considering running for president

01:18:47.420 in 2020.

01:18:48.240 He obviously didn't go through with it.

01:18:49.820 Um, but he pulled himself at 25%, um, this past cycle.

01:18:54.380 I think that if you had a credible independent running in 24, they start out at 20 to 25%.

01:19:00.780 Um, if the, you know, if the democratic and Republican field looks like, um, looks like

01:19:08.340 it did in 2020.

01:19:09.680 Um, so there's this, this continuing upswing in people that are questioning the mainstream

01:19:16.520 media narratives.

01:19:17.820 Uh, you can see it in your audiences.

01:19:19.580 You can see it in, you know, Joe's and Barry's and everyone else's.

01:19:22.580 And the question is, how does that start reflecting itself in our politics?

01:19:26.480 Well, I, I will tell you that it is, um, a terrifying time to be alive and a exhilarating

01:19:34.260 time to be alive.

01:19:35.960 And the only reason why it's terrifying is because I have no idea how it ends.

01:19:39.280 Um, are we, uh, are we in that 10 year period that I talked about with the industrial revolution?

01:19:46.120 And this, this, this, this revolution of all things, do you think we're in that period yet?

01:19:51.580 Yeah, yeah, we, we definitely are.

01:19:53.220 And the pandemic sped it up.

01:19:55.560 Um, one of the things that you saw very clearly is that a number of companies invested a lot

01:20:00.960 more in automation over the last 24 months.

01:20:03.220 When, when, when do the average, when does the average American really begin to feel it

01:20:09.660 and go, Oh, I know that I know what's going, I see it now.

01:20:16.060 The next several years, in my opinion, um, we actually are already feeling it in different

01:20:21.840 ways.

01:20:22.240 If you look at the labor force participation rate, it has been low and, uh, sputtering and

01:20:30.060 declining for a number of years now.

01:20:32.420 Uh, it's in the low sixties, uh, maybe even high fifties.

01:20:36.680 I I'd have to double check.

01:20:38.600 Um, but when I looked into it a couple of years ago, our peer countries were El Salvador and

01:20:45.060 the Ukraine in terms of the labor force participation rate.

01:20:49.140 Uh, and that's getting worse, not better.

01:20:51.140 We were down something like, uh, 4 million jobs.

01:20:55.600 The last I checked, um, and, uh, someone told me it was like the equivalent of the labor force

01:21:02.220 of Pennsylvania disappearing, um, from the workforce.

01:21:06.580 So it's here with us now, Glenn.

01:21:09.700 Uh, it's, um, spreading in different ways.

01:21:13.960 The thing I have to try and remind people is that it's not like you're going to go to

01:21:19.980 work one day and then there's going to be a robot sitting in your chair.

01:21:22.760 That's what happened.

01:21:23.440 Or even then you go to the mall and there's like a robot kiosk, though there is probably

01:21:27.340 a robot kiosk at this point.

01:21:29.200 Um, it, it, it, it, it, it's more likely that the mall just closed.

01:21:34.580 Um, and the robot was in the Amazon fulfillment center, you know, like across the state.

01:21:40.720 Correct.

01:21:42.120 Correct.

01:21:43.120 Um, you are fascinating.

01:21:44.700 I, I wish you the, uh, the best.

01:21:47.200 I hope you come on again.

01:21:48.620 You, uh, have a, I think you have an important voice and important role in our future.

01:21:54.660 And I wish more people would listen to you.

01:21:56.860 Grateful.

01:21:57.320 And I want to take you up on this offer to campaign at the state level.

01:22:00.460 I mean, like let's, let's freaking free our electorate.

01:22:04.140 Um, so I would love to team up with you.

01:22:06.120 I'm looking at these States right now, looking at places where maybe you and I could team

01:22:10.040 up, but, uh, but thank you.

01:22:11.800 I really enjoyed the conversation and I apologize that it's taken me so long to get here, um,

01:22:16.260 for what it's worth.

01:22:17.540 Uh, you know, that I, like, I actually had no, oh, I know that those decisions.

01:22:22.760 Oh no, I know that there's no, there is no hard feelings.

01:22:27.500 And every time I would ask, I'd say to our booker, can you just ask Andrew if he'd come

01:22:32.800 on again?

01:22:33.840 And she'd look at me and she'd say, they're going to say no again.

01:22:37.260 And I said, they should say no, but just in case one of them has a mental lapse, because

01:22:44.740 I just don't think it would have been to your advantage, uh, to be on during the primary.

01:22:50.060 So even your people, I give a pass to.

01:22:52.200 Well, thank you.

01:22:53.460 And yet another wonderful thing about not being a Democrat anymore, Glenn, I can talk

01:22:57.440 to whoever the heck I want.

01:22:59.180 And I got to say, uh, this is not the last time you and I sit down for sure.

01:23:02.820 Thank you so much.

01:23:03.220 Appreciate it.

01:23:09.200 Just a reminder, I'd love you to rate and subscribe to the podcast and pass this on to a friend

01:23:14.820 so it can be discovered by other people.

01:23:22.200 Bye-bye.

01:23:22.720 Bye-bye.

01:23:22.800 Bye-bye.

01:23:23.420 Bye-bye.

01:23:25.040 Bye-bye.

01:23:30.960 Bye-bye.

01:23:51.560 Bye-bye.

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The Glenn Beck Program - December 18, 2021

Ep 129 ｜ ‘The Media Is an Assembly Line to Hell' ｜ Andrew Yang ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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