The Glenn Beck Program - Ep 130 ｜ The Truth Behind the 5G Airline Hysteria ｜ Brendan Carr ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

00:00:00.000 Population control. Audibly transmitted viruses. Mind-altering radio frequencies. Wavelinks that microwave your brain. Invisible propaganda from blinking towers in the distance. Hundreds of birds that will die all at once. Cancer. Electromagnetic radiation. Bio-warfare. These are some of the craziest ideas. The science fiction nightmares, right?

00:00:28.080 They are also just some of the events that defined the 5G apocalypse, according to the conspiracy theories about 5G. I want you to know, I am skeptical of almost everything, especially a technology like 5G. And I don't want to make light of anyone's fears. I get it. The pace of our new world is daunting.

00:00:54.060 Many of those things were said about a field that I have been in my whole life, radio or television. Here's the thing. We now live in the era of velocity. Speed will determine absolutely everything.

00:01:10.060 And if we have learned anything in the last 30 years, it is that technology is a lot more complex than we are. But it is important to know the facts about technology so you're not bamboozled either in or out of something that will change life forever.

00:01:28.180 And what will change people's lives is 5G. The reality of 5G maybe is worse than all of that. I mean, we could find ourselves quickly under the thumb of a real dystopian autocracy.

00:01:45.240 Wars don't take place in fields anymore. Wars may not even involve people soon because of things like 5G. The clandestine combat of the Cold War is a relic. We still use humans, but that will change.

00:02:05.700 Because war takes place now through digital technology and the technologies in your life and mine. The nation that develops and dominates the latest technologies and the biggest pipeline of information, data and communications, that is the one that will win the war.

00:02:26.420 And at the moment, China is far more advanced than any of us realize. And right now, we are intentionally shooting ourselves in the foot. 0.82

00:02:38.820 As commissioner of the Federal Communications Commission, today's guest is one of the few people that can actually help us clear away the fiction to get to the truth.

00:02:50.240 Something is very wrong with what's being said about 5G.

00:02:56.420 Today, on the Glenn Beck Podcast, welcome, Commissioner Brendan Carr.

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00:05:28.940 Commissioner Carr, how are you, sir?

00:05:43.900 I'm doing great.

00:05:44.500 Good to see you again.

00:05:45.140 Yeah, good to see you.

00:05:45.880 Thank you for being on.

00:05:47.500 There's a story that I'm perplexed by, and it all revolves around 5G.

00:05:54.000 What the heck is happening with the rollout of 5G and the airports and the airlines and

00:06:01.040 all of that?

00:06:01.960 What is real here?

00:06:05.140 Yeah, well, look, I agree with you.

00:06:06.820 I'm very perplexed as well.

00:06:07.980 Let me take it from the start, which is this concern that's been raised that 5G is going

00:06:12.980 to cause harmful interference into the altimeters of airplanes.

00:06:18.440 This is simply incorrect.

00:06:19.880 The FCC addressed this issue over almost two years ago now.

00:06:24.500 We looked at the science.

00:06:25.800 We looked at the real world experience.

00:06:27.460 The fact that 5G is live over C-band in nearly 40 countries.

00:06:31.260 We put in a massive 200 megahertz guard band, which is a lot in spectrum sense.

00:06:36.360 And in fact, we've doubled that large guard band here.

00:06:39.320 And the wireless carriers are going to mimic the same spectral environment that exists today

00:06:43.600 in France.

00:06:44.820 So if the aviation industry believes the fear mongering that they're putting out there,

00:06:48.840 then they shouldn't be flying in and out of Charlottes to Gaul every single day.

00:06:52.220 So I think this has a lot more to do, unfortunately, with bureaucratic politics.

00:06:56.220 And frankly, this reflects a broader pattern within the Biden administration of just chaotic

00:07:01.380 decision making.

00:07:02.940 This was a decision that was teed up the way Congress intended it.

00:07:06.640 The FCC looks at it.

00:07:08.060 And this has gone off the rails pretty late in the process.

00:07:10.620 OK, so let's start with a basic understanding of 5G.

00:07:14.600 Let me tell you what I think it is, and then you tell me where I'm wrong or in hands.

00:07:20.620 From what I understand, if the internet today, if 4G were a garden hose and all of that information

00:07:29.520 coming through that garden hose, it's pretty packed tight.

00:07:33.620 5G is the size of the channel compared to the garden hose.

00:07:40.640 And it allows information beyond our wildest imagination to go back and forth.

00:07:47.760 It'll allow all of our refrigerator to talk to everything.

00:07:53.760 Everything will be connected.

00:07:56.000 Is that an accurate description?

00:07:57.820 That's almost right.

00:08:00.280 The only tweak I'd make to your analogy is the garden hose actually is staying the exact

00:08:04.400 same width.

00:08:05.300 It's just through technology, the bits, or in your analogy, the water is being packed immensely

00:08:11.280 more efficiently.

00:08:12.680 So through that same sized pipe, you're moving a tremendous amount of new data.

00:08:17.780 So you're essentially right in concept there.

00:08:20.020 OK.

00:08:20.660 And is that like a, I mean, I hate to go here because it's probably so ridiculous, but like

00:08:26.440 a zip file, it just compresses all of it, gets it through the pipe and then opens it back

00:08:31.660 up.

00:08:32.800 You got that.

00:08:33.600 You got that basically right.

00:08:34.680 Yep.

00:08:34.980 OK.

00:08:36.060 Here's the concern.

00:08:37.500 The concern is this will be, this will allow for dystopian kind of monitoring if it would

00:08:46.140 go wrong.

00:08:47.120 Correct?

00:08:48.940 China.

00:08:49.540 Well, to some extent, you're right.

00:08:50.720 You're right.

00:08:51.160 And that's why we have stepped up activity, particularly, you know, in the last administration

00:08:55.280 on entities like Huawei and ZTE.

00:08:57.520 Because look, to your point, when the internet was about sending email files back and forth

00:09:02.220 and looking at cat videos, that's one thing.

00:09:03.940 But now to your point that every single thing is getting onboarded onto the internet, not just

00:09:08.080 banking, financial information, to your point, security camera, everything is now connected

00:09:12.460 to the internet in this 5G world.

00:09:14.680 The concerns about national security and cybersecurity are heightened.

00:09:17.820 That's why we, during the last administration, essentially kicked Huawei out of our network,

00:09:21.860 kicked ZTE out.

00:09:22.780 We've prevented China Mobile from connecting to our network.

00:09:26.220 And I've raised a red flag about DJI, which is a Shenzhen-based drone manufacturer.

00:09:31.940 Big time.

00:09:32.060 So you're exactly right that the increased capacity, the increased functionality, increase

00:09:36.440 of things going on on the internet, underscored the need to be very vigilant about personal

00:09:41.720 security, cybersecurity, and national security as well.

00:09:44.720 So here's a concern of mine on China and what this argument is about.

00:09:52.780 It doesn't make logical sense.

00:09:54.940 As a guy who, I'm not a technology guy, but I am, you know, futurist wannabe.

00:10:01.380 I know enough to be dangerously wrong.

00:10:04.160 Okay. 0.98

00:10:05.720 And I know enough to say, this is bullcrap. 0.98

00:10:11.100 What they're talking about at the airport is bullcrap.

00:10:13.340 Now you put that into perspective, knowing that the United States has been behind the eight

00:10:20.860 ball with China and things like Huawei for a while.

00:10:26.400 And it is a race.

00:10:27.400 If Europe, if everybody else goes with Huawei, we can no longer trust any kind of network to

00:10:35.740 be able to share with our partners.

00:10:37.560 China will own all of the information that they want. 0.88

00:10:42.240 Is this obstacle at all in any way helping China get footholds either here or elsewhere

00:10:53.180 while we are damaging ourself?

00:10:56.640 I think you brought the exact right perspective.

00:11:00.120 So as a general matter, 5G from China's perspective is sort of the digital version of their belt 0.79

00:11:05.820 and road initiative, right?

00:11:06.840 So they're going into Africa. 0.65

00:11:08.300 They are building ports and airports and bridges.

00:11:11.880 And when, you know, that type of, you know, debt diplomacy doesn't work, they end up foreclosing

00:11:17.420 or at least threading to on those ports and bridges.

00:11:19.520 Well, now they're similarly going out into Africa and other parts of the world through Huawei,

00:11:23.580 through ZTE, building this digital infrastructure.

00:11:25.940 And now when you don't do what they want, rather than foreclosing on your fiscal port,

00:11:30.180 they got your data.

00:11:31.240 They got everything at that point.

00:11:32.360 So it's a big risk.

00:11:33.160 And so to your point, for the Biden administration to go out there and President Biden himself

00:11:37.020 addressed this yesterday in the press conference and was described by Politico as donning the

00:11:43.780 jersey for team delay when it came to 5G, this isn't a good sign for America's leadership.

00:11:49.580 When you go back before the Trump administration, 2015, 2016, we were losing to China on 5G.

00:11:55.620 They were outpacing us.

00:11:56.760 And we kicked it into gear the last three or four years.

00:11:59.300 I think it's one of the great legacies of the Trump administration.

00:12:02.460 We leapfrogged our global counterparts.

00:12:04.660 We freed up spectrum, including the C-band, which was vital to catch up to China. 0.98

00:12:08.580 And then at the last minute, we're putting the kibosh on it based on a misinformation campaign

00:12:13.980 that this is going to cause damage to all timers.

00:12:16.800 So, yeah, the winner here is, you know, China continuing to exert leadership in 5G and America

00:12:22.840 pumping the brakes on a vital sort of element of our economic leadership.

00:12:29.920 I just did a monologue today on radio that we're the United States of America.

00:12:38.880 And I'm so sick and tired of hearing about, you know, the breakdown in the global systems

00:12:47.840 and, you know, we can't get this.

00:12:50.640 Well, what are we doing to make our own medicine?

00:12:54.780 The one thing we should have learned in the last two weeks is we are far too dependent on

00:12:59.540 every other country.

00:13:01.580 We are the United States of America.

00:13:03.600 I don't like going into a grocery store and seeing shelves that would have been in Poland 1.00

00:13:09.120 in the 1980s.

00:13:10.880 I've only seen them in America two times during a winter storm for maybe a couple of days.

00:13:16.540 And now, and we're accepting this and it is time for America.

00:13:23.400 We are the ones who have always led the way into new ideas.

00:13:28.520 We now are being led into really dangerous territory by communist, fascistic, authoritarian

00:13:39.900 dictators who want our information.

00:13:45.100 What has to happen for us to clear the path to get government at least on the side of America

00:13:53.600 winning?

00:13:53.960 Yeah, this episode with CBAN is not very comforting because, again, Congress made the decision

00:14:01.360 that said, look, all you federal agencies feed into a process.

00:14:04.840 The FCC at the end of the day is going to call the balls in the strikes, our experts that

00:14:08.800 do this for a living.

00:14:09.760 And they did.

00:14:11.240 And, you know, moving forward with CBAN would have presented another opportunity for an infrastructure

00:14:15.680 build for America leadership.

00:14:18.120 And look, there were officials at the FAA and other agencies that sense weakness within

00:14:22.980 the Biden administration.

00:14:24.180 And instead of having leaders in the White House that stood up and said, look, Congress

00:14:27.600 said the FCC makes this call.

00:14:29.120 You guys had a fair and full airing of your views.

00:14:32.000 They decided against you.

00:14:33.320 Move on.

00:14:34.080 The White House said, you know, come in.

00:14:35.460 Let's talk about it.

00:14:36.160 Let's think about it.

00:14:36.960 And it showed weakness.

00:14:38.100 And they ended up having to cave when this big misinformation campaign came out.

00:14:41.820 But look, there's a lot of talk about infrastructure and 5G is infrastructure.

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00:17:01.480 How much is 5G going to change the average person's life or experience?

00:17:08.220 I mean, what is really going to be the thing that we look back in five years and go, I cannot

00:17:13.760 believe we lived at a time where it didn't have this.

00:17:16.980 What changes?

00:17:17.740 Yeah, it's a great question.

00:17:19.760 I think a lot of consumers feel a little maybe disappointed as to where 5G is today because

00:17:23.840 we've been talking about it for so long.

00:17:25.480 The way I describe it to people is think about your life when we transitioned from 3G to 4G,

00:17:30.420 right?

00:17:30.740 How did you get across town?

00:17:32.420 You had to hail a cab, you know, pay exorbitant rates.

00:17:35.640 Well, now as 4G came in, you've got Uber, Lyft right there on your phone.

00:17:40.320 Or think about how you did banking in the 3G world.

00:17:42.120 You had to go to a brick and mortar facility, you had to stand in one of those rope lines,

00:17:45.480 you had to use a pen that was always lashed to a table and out of ink.

00:17:49.080 Well, now we've got Square and other Venmo apps right on our phone.

00:17:52.820 So 3G to 4G address pain points in your life that you didn't recognize.

00:17:56.800 And that is what we are on the cusp of seeing with 5G.

00:17:58.960 It's not fully there yet because it just takes some time.

00:18:01.240 So 5G is going to take pain points in your life today and develop a solution that wouldn't

00:18:05.700 have been possible in a 4G world.

00:18:07.340 Maybe it's AR, VR.

00:18:08.900 Maybe it's connected cars.

00:18:11.640 Maybe it's telehealth applications.

00:18:13.740 So we're still on the front end of seeing that because we're just building this technology

00:18:17.540 out.

00:18:18.380 In the short term, it's more competition for in-home broadband.

00:18:21.460 Not as sexy as some of those other whiz-bang ideas, but 5G is being used today to give people

00:18:26.340 choice and competition for high-speed service in their home where maybe they felt like before

00:18:30.140 they only had one option for high-speed service.

00:18:32.680 So I'm still optimistic about it, but we've been talking about it for a while.

00:18:36.380 And I think that people are like, I'm ready to see something that's actually real and different

00:18:39.840 than a 4G.

00:18:40.560 And I hear that.

00:18:41.600 So 5G, correct me if I'm wrong, what we're introducing will reduce what's called latency

00:18:47.160 to the point we can't do telesurgery right now because it's a hundredth of a hundredth at

00:18:54.000 best.

00:18:54.380 It'll be a hundredth of a second behind.

00:18:56.940 Well, if you cut the wrong place, you can bleed out and you can't fix it.

00:19:03.860 In fact, you have to have real time, very low latency.

00:19:08.420 Is this 5G that they're rolling out give us that kind of reduction in latency where we'll

00:19:14.760 be able to see people in New York operating on somebody that has 5G in Africa?

00:19:22.280 Yeah, the responsiveness of the 5G network is so far beyond what we have with 4G that

00:19:28.880 it is exactly those types of applications and many others that, frankly, if I could

00:19:32.460 think about it, I'd probably get out of the government and invest in them at this stage,

00:19:35.980 but even I can't see what it is.

00:19:37.660 But connected cars, right?

00:19:38.900 If you take a millisecond difference in braking could be the difference between life and

00:19:44.200 death.

00:19:44.400 There's all kinds of applications that the lag and the lack of responsiveness of the 4G

00:19:49.240 internet has resulted in technologists saying, I've got this idea, but the network isn't

00:19:54.080 powerful enough to do it.

00:19:55.100 So now we are building the network out, except in the areas where the Biden administration

00:19:58.620 has held it up with C-Band.

00:20:00.560 And the technologists are ready to pour in and say, again, you're going to have a pain

00:20:03.960 point in your life that you don't know.

00:20:05.160 Take grocery shopping.

00:20:06.020 I hate going to the grocery store, but I like to eat, so I got to do it.

00:20:09.140 But maybe you have AR, VR, maybe you get AR, VR goggles with 5G and you're transported

00:20:14.520 to your own grocery store virtually and you know your own aisles, right?

00:20:18.080 I like to go down the aisles in a particular direction, helps me remember stuff.

00:20:21.780 And so that's an advance over going on to whatever grocery shopping apps there are right

00:20:26.620 now.

00:20:26.820 So there's things that, you know, again, are pain points we don't recognize.

00:20:30.420 Someone's going to solve it and they're going to solve it because of the speed, resilience

00:20:33.920 of the 5G network that we didn't have with 4G.

00:20:37.440 We're living in a time right now that, I mean, it must be in some ways thrilling to be an

00:20:44.000 FCC commissioner because you're seeing all of this.

00:20:47.680 You're there at the space that is like, okay, do we do this or we do not do this?

00:20:53.260 You know, I've done radio for 45 years.

00:20:57.940 For most of the time, it was the Communications Act of 1933.

00:21:01.680 So it wasn't very exciting.

00:21:03.000 Um, now, however, we are wrestling with things.

00:21:08.560 For instance, you just said AR or VR.

00:21:10.600 We're wrestling with things like the metaverse that I don't think people really truly understand.

00:21:16.160 That's ready player one.

00:21:18.640 And it will change us as people.

00:21:23.240 It will change relationships.

00:21:25.160 It will change how we view ourself.

00:21:28.260 Um, it changes fundamentally everything.

00:21:32.380 Do you spend much time or do you and your colleagues spend much time, even if you don't have to decide, thinking, gosh, which part of this is good and which part of this could destroy us?

00:21:46.580 Yeah, look, I flip back and forth through a couple of lenses when I do this job.

00:21:52.820 One, I say very grounded in where we are and where are we falling short today.

00:21:57.320 There's still too many parts of this country that have zero megabits per second when it comes to high speed service.

00:22:02.980 Yet there's parts of this country where we're making tremendous progress.

00:22:06.380 We're bridging the desert of Iowa.

00:22:07.560 We want to sing the praises of that work.

00:22:09.520 So you've got to balance in your mind the positives of where we are with where are we still falling short and then we can address it.

00:22:16.140 And to your point, to the future, what is the upside?

00:22:18.400 What is the good side?

00:22:19.180 What are all the great things that are going to happen from innovation?

00:22:21.720 And have in your back of the mind some of the downside.

00:22:24.340 In the main, we as regulators try to help create the platform.

00:22:27.880 And we don't try to then, you know, micromanage what's good or what's bad about it.

00:22:31.060 But we have to keep an eye on it.

00:22:32.220 And the most important thing to me is freedom, diversity of thinking, right?

00:22:38.600 This 19, well, I'll go back.

00:22:41.660 The very first op-ed in this country was launched on the pages, believe it or not, of the New York Times in 1970.

00:22:48.620 Why?

00:22:49.160 Because John Oaks, the then editor, said, diversity of opinion is the lifeblood of democracy.

00:22:53.560 The moment we insist that everyone think the same way we do, our democratic way of life is in danger.

00:22:58.460 That was a very progressive, left-wing view at the time.

00:23:01.480 And unfortunately, I think progressives have turned heel on that view.

00:23:04.640 So as we go into this future, sort of where we started from, there's a concentration of power in corporate hands.

00:23:11.240 And as a culture, we have to return to the embrace of diversity of views.

00:23:15.360 If Twitter gets into the financial services space and starts taking their block list and denying people financial services, that's not good.

00:23:22.260 If we see the metaverse developing the same way some of the Facebook censorship has, that's not good.

00:23:26.980 So I do think it is incumbent as a cultural matter that we stand back up for free speech and that for those in government like me to continue to work to try to get enough votes to say, look, we need some core political anti-discrimination rules out there.

00:23:39.900 More speech is better than less.

00:23:41.100 So that's one thing that does worry about me about the increased connectedness is the consolidation of that power in big tech.

00:23:48.320 You know, we're going to see the creep of censorship from Twitter, which is bad enough to have censorship.

00:23:52.900 But imagine getting financial services denied and everything else that's going to be connected in the future.

00:23:57.440 Right. And that is that is part of the Great Reset.

00:24:00.700 I don't know how much you're up on the Great Reset, but we're already seeing states take action against banks who are saying we're going to have a certain score ESG.

00:24:09.800 If you're not on the environmental bandwagon, you're going to be a risk to the bank.

00:24:12.940 So you won't get a loan.

00:24:14.380 Also, E is environmental.

00:24:16.480 S is social justice.

00:24:18.120 And G is governance.

00:24:19.700 Who do you have on your board of directors?

00:24:21.420 It's truly a frightening, frightening thing because it's an end run around Congress and our Constitution.

00:24:28.580 It is a public private partnership where you might like it today.

00:24:34.060 But if the other side gets in, that's a very dangerous weapon.

00:24:39.260 I mean, I went on today to Google and YouTube and I've posted hundreds of videos on the on the Great Reset.

00:24:49.960 If you go to YouTube and you type in Glenn Beck, Great Reset, my videos don't come up.

00:24:56.660 Now, how is that possible?

00:24:58.900 I'm very concerned about the the it's not just the tech companies.

00:25:05.820 It is they're in bed with many of the regulators or the or the government.

00:25:12.740 And that is extraordinarily dangerous.

00:25:16.260 And I don't see anyone, especially on the left, really taking this seriously.

00:25:23.340 Look, I think this was a blind spot for so many Republicans for so long.

00:25:29.080 Look, we we had this great moment where we sort of solidified a lot of the theoretical approaches of the conservative movement in the 70s and the 80s.

00:25:36.340 And the idea then was the greatest threat to individual liberty is government power.

00:25:41.620 And what has happened since then is the unprecedented rise of corporate power, in part, as we're talking about, because that power happens in the digital space.

00:25:50.000 When you have, you know, railroads and other sort of historic instances of monopoly gatekeeping power, it was a slow moving monopoly.

00:25:57.900 It took a while to build a railroad.

00:25:59.000 Well, now Facebook, Twitter, they go from nothing to having a network effect that impacts millions, if not billions of people.

00:26:05.940 And so Republican Party conservatives were very slow to see that.

00:26:10.500 The rise of corporate power and the threat that it poses to individual liberty, thankfully, that has changed and it's changing very fast.

00:26:18.220 If you look at where, you know, for instance, you know, the Republican leader, Kevin McCarthy, is with some of the ideas that he's putting out there and how we hold large corporations accountable.

00:26:27.240 I think that's a sign that Republicans have woken up and they say, yeah, the government, don't get us wrong, is still a threat to individual liberty.

00:26:33.500 But the consolidation of corporate power is equally a threat.

00:26:36.780 And to your point, when you blend the two together, when you've got the Biden White House saying, yeah, we've talked to large technology companies and told them the types of misinformation that we don't like to see on your website, that blending now of corporate power and government power together is incredibly dangerous.

00:26:53.000 And I do think we now have a set of Republican leaders and some Democrats push back on this as well.

00:26:59.720 Glenn Greenwald, not a conservative, has been very focused on the well.

00:27:03.880 This is a danger that Republicans were slow on.

00:27:06.940 But I think we're finally coming around to realizing we have to use government power to push back on the intrusion of the individual liberty that come from the abuse of corporate power.

00:27:16.480 So one of the things that I think is a is a huge win for the American people, and I don't know if it ever get traction, you know, we're entering a new space jobs.

00:27:27.360 Everything is going to change.

00:27:28.620 Forty percent of all jobs that exist today will be gone in 2030.

00:27:33.700 Replaced by what?

00:27:34.780 I don't know.

00:27:35.780 But that's why a lot of people are talking about UBI, et cetera, et cetera.

00:27:38.980 Because there's going to be a few that have great power that is harnessed by AI and especially quantum computing that the world won't have to do the things that we do.

00:27:52.560 Our life will be a lot easier, more complex in some ways.

00:27:55.660 Right now, when you look at the the power of these companies, they get their power from information.

00:28:09.040 We've given them all of our information and they use it in a myriad of ways.

00:28:15.260 And some people, they don't care.

00:28:17.200 But is is it possible to create a situation to where the the individual, their rights continue to how they live their life, what they think, what they do?

00:28:31.460 And they always own that information.

00:28:34.600 And if you want to make money, then you can sell it to the highest bidder if you want.

00:28:40.920 But you are the you retain the rights to all of your information.

00:28:46.080 And if you never want to share it, then you don't share it.

00:28:49.380 Isn't that a is that workable at all?

00:28:53.040 Should we be thinking that way?

00:28:55.500 I think you're right.

00:28:56.460 We are seeing some some pushes on a bipartisan basis in Congress to do exactly that.

00:29:00.740 And it's a mixed bag.

00:29:01.780 You know, the America is very diverse.

00:29:03.560 People are very diverse.

00:29:04.340 To your point, some people are aware of how much data they're getting taken from them by big tech.

00:29:09.160 Some people don't care and some people have no idea.

00:29:11.160 I think the vast majority don't know.

00:29:12.420 I mean, so, for instance, if you take Google, other smartphone manufacturers, you can have your phone off entirely, not connected to anything in that phone records and knows based on barometric pressure sensors in the phone, what floor you are in a house.

00:29:25.420 When did you open the door to a car and close the door to a car because of the change in barometric pressure?

00:29:30.720 It knows where you go and it sends all that data back.

00:29:33.560 So at some level, you could say people don't care.

00:29:36.300 At another level, you could say, well, people know and they don't care.

00:29:39.220 I honestly do not believe.

00:29:40.700 I think people would be blown away if they could look and see at all of their data that is getting collected on their phone, even when it's not even on.

00:29:48.400 Now, look, I don't think that means we smash our phones and become Luddites.

00:29:51.120 You know, I'm not someone that says, you know, this technology is all bad.

00:29:55.920 But to your point, let's empower people to make more informed choices.

00:30:00.200 And again, the data has a lot of value, not necessarily individual value.

00:30:04.540 It's the aggregate value.

00:30:05.660 But still, let's put some power back into the hands of everyday people here.

00:30:10.100 But it is aggregate power now.

00:30:12.280 You know, they always say we can't read metadata.

00:30:15.780 Well, that's not entirely true, and especially in the future, they know they already have more information on me and you and everybody else than we even know about ourselves.

00:30:27.180 They can predict exactly what we're going to do in many cases.

00:30:33.600 That's not only dangerous, but it is also extraordinarily valuable.

00:30:38.460 And it blurs the line of, well, was that my idea to go on that vacation or to go there or to eat this?

00:30:46.460 Or was I manipulated subtly in ways that I can't even know?

00:30:52.540 That's not only important to discuss and know, but it is also important to be able to control and say, no, you know what?

00:31:02.380 I don't want you in this part of my life and data.

00:31:05.860 None of that is shared.

00:31:08.460 Yeah, you're right.

00:31:10.000 Look, this is, again, conservatives, Republicans, we are hopefully no longer deferring entirely to whatever a big corporation wants.

00:31:17.800 We are for it.

00:31:19.120 And this is why, you know, we need not just Section 230 reform, not just what I would view as sort of political anti-discrimination requirements, but we need transparency.

00:31:28.020 And to your point, not transparency where they show you the ones and zeros of your algorithm.

00:31:31.580 There's a way they can just bury you with information that doesn't mean anything.

00:31:34.760 But we need transparency in a way that is understandable to people so that they can decide, to your point, yeah, this part of my life, I want cordoned off.

00:31:40.820 You know, I'm fine with data being, you know, taken and put to use over here.

00:31:44.680 But the lack of transparency about what is going on with your data is a real problem.

00:31:50.820 Is this something the FCC should be roping off and leading?

00:31:57.200 Yeah, I think there is a role for the FCC.

00:31:59.800 You know, when I was in the majority at the FCC in the last administration, I pushed pretty hard to try to get 230 reform.

00:32:05.700 The votes weren't there.

00:32:06.440 So there's a role for the FCC, no doubt.

00:32:08.460 There's a role for the Federal Trade Commission.

00:32:10.000 And there's a role for Congress.

00:32:11.200 That's why, you know, I really like the ideas that Republican Leader McCarthy has put out.

00:32:16.380 Catherine Morse Rogers, Republican Leader of the Energy and Commerce Committee, they have a big tech accountability platform.

00:32:21.500 There's some very, very good ideas there.

00:32:23.260 And I'd hope that maybe on a hopefully on a bipartisan basis, we can get together and pass them.

00:32:27.220 But, you know, we've moved from the stage of, you know, not thinking there's a problem, being blind to it, to thinking there's a problem.

00:32:32.460 And now we're actually at the stage where PEN is getting put together.

00:32:35.720 You know, smart legislation is getting put together.

00:32:37.760 And now we just got to get that across the finish line.

00:32:40.200 So let me switch to a subject that seems so old and antiquated, but it is near and dear to my heart.

00:32:46.320 I'm a radio broadcaster.

00:32:48.700 I always have been.

00:32:50.380 I always will.

00:32:51.740 And we've been talking about the end of, like, AM radio forever.

00:32:56.340 However, radio is performing.

00:32:58.840 It is absolutely the opposite of what's happening to television.

00:33:04.400 Television is going way down the tubes and people are finding it.

00:33:08.880 You would think when Apple is providing music and you can create your own station and everything else that that would hurt radio.

00:33:16.420 Radio is actually performing well.

00:33:19.600 However, I've built digital studios.

00:33:23.400 I mean, all kinds of technology.

00:33:27.460 Nothing is really changing in the radio industry.

00:33:31.020 And it kind of has this idea that it's dying.

00:33:33.700 The mom and pop local broadcaster, the local radio station that is controlled locally is vital to anything that this country might face in in case of trouble.

00:33:51.580 That it is locally operated and and run and that it has viable technology.

00:33:58.280 Is there anything on the horizon that is trying to shut down voices on radio to to lack the diversity that has a has an actual, you know, cash cow into it that can do it?

00:34:13.080 And is there any place that the FCC should look at and say, you know, broadcasters feel free to go here, invent, think about, open up, deregulate on any place?

00:34:24.460 You're right about a lot there.

00:34:27.000 I mean, first and foremost, there is a I think the old saying is there's no greater, more visual medium than radio.

00:34:34.700 It paints a picture in people's mind.

00:34:37.100 It is such a powerful medium, despite all the other whiz bang technologies that we have out there.

00:34:42.820 And you're right.

00:34:43.620 There is a lot of local radio broadcasters that are struggling right now.

00:34:47.240 I was in a small town in Wyoming, was in relatively big town.

00:34:51.420 There is a radio station that was thriving. They had local news, local reports, drove an hour away, another small town.

00:34:57.340 And there was a radio station that was effectively playing, you know, music off of a HP laptop that was, you know, pumped in from someplace like Chicago.

00:35:06.840 And the FCC had rules in place that said, you know, owner that owns that thriving radio station that wants to purchase that smaller radio station that's just pumping in canned music and actually bring in talent, live people to run that program.

00:35:20.060 And the FCC said, no, because we want a diversity of ownership.

00:35:23.400 And so, therefore, that HP laptop keeps spinning those tunes from Chicago.

00:35:27.860 You owner that lives in Wyoming that wants to open a second station and actually put real people there.

00:35:32.620 You can't do that because we want diversity of ownership.

00:35:35.980 And so there's some very backwards looking regulations there that I've advocated that we should get rid of.

00:35:40.640 It's controversial. It ends up not happening.

00:35:43.740 You know, we have rules on how much stations anybody can own.

00:35:47.280 Again, well-intentioned. We want diversity of views, but it ends up preventing investment.

00:35:52.400 The other point there is when you look at these wireless carriers, why do we have 5G?

00:35:56.420 It's because the government doesn't regulate that in the sense that we give you spectrum, put 4G on it, put 5G on it, whatever you need, and upgrade from 4G to 5G.

00:36:05.220 In broadcasting, we have a whole different approach that says if you want to go from one broadcast technology, you know, ATSC 2.0 to ATSC 3.0, whatever it is,

00:36:13.700 you've got to come to the FCC, you've got to ask permission, you've got to go through a rulemaking.

00:36:17.300 So people say, why aren't broadcasters innovating more?

00:36:19.780 Well, they've got to get a lot more government approvals than the sectors that aren't as heavily regulated and therefore that they are innovating.

00:36:28.220 And with respect to diversity, I am worried.

00:36:30.280 Look, there's been some pretty strong push at a Democrat, particularly in South Florida, that look at some successful Hispanic radio stations.

00:36:39.140 They filed petitions at the FCC asking us to, you know, deny license transfers, to open investigations.

00:36:45.160 And they've been pretty upfront about it and said, look, we don't like, you know, our electoral chances if the Spanish language speaking community gets to hear conservative radios.

00:36:55.680 So FCC shut it down.

00:36:56.380 I've been very vocal about that.

00:36:57.400 I said, look, the FCC is not an arm of the DNC.

00:37:00.460 It's not our business to police and shut down speech in that form.

00:37:04.560 And so, yeah, to your point, there's a lot we could do.

00:37:06.680 We could allow more investment in these struggling stations.

00:37:09.760 We could give more permissionless opportunities to upgrade and innovate technologies.

00:37:14.700 And we could make clear that, you know, we're not shutting down diversity of views.

00:37:18.960 So let's let's end there on on that question.

00:37:21.540 It's been a year since Rush Limbaugh died.

00:37:24.420 Many of us who are in talk radio owe our careers to him.

00:37:29.000 He is the he was the pioneer, but he was also the meat shield for a lot of us.

00:37:34.320 He took the hits and all the guns were aimed at him and he took the hits.

00:37:41.400 There is a movement now to go over to go after podcasting and also to go after talk radio.

00:37:49.940 Are you concerned about as I get ready to possibly sign another contract with radio is are you concerned about the security of radio and our voices?

00:38:06.220 I do think there's there's reason to be concerned.

00:38:10.980 I'm not in panic mode at this point just yet.

00:38:14.920 You know, we we we need to continue to allow these diverse voices to flourish and we need to continue to stay strong for, you know, this idea of promoting a diversity of view.

00:38:27.460 I'm certainly going to use my platform at the FCC to do that.

00:38:30.560 And I think that while we've got to stay vigilant, I'm pretty confident we're going to be continuing to see, you know, a flourishing of views here.

00:38:38.580 Good commissioner.

00:38:39.400 Thank you so much.

00:38:40.100 Any idea when we'll know about 5G?

00:38:43.560 Well, it's being launched right now and it's being launched outside of the C-band, which was just a small portion of the spectrum here.

00:38:49.140 So there's non C-band 5G that it's up and live as to when this portion of the 5G spectrum, the C-band will get back up and running.

00:38:56.220 You know, I just hope that we can get some adults back in the room at the White House and they can say, look, we're going to side with the science.

00:39:01.720 We're not going to side with the hysteria.

00:39:03.540 When that happens, then this C-band will get fully lit up again.

00:39:06.780 God bless.

00:39:07.180 Thank you very much, commissioner.

00:39:09.180 Thanks.

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The Glenn Beck Program - January 23, 2022

Ep 130 ｜ The Truth Behind the 5G Airline Hysteria ｜ Brendan Carr ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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