The Glenn Beck Program - Ep 137 ｜ The Doctor Who Nearly Got Joe Rogan Canceled ｜ Dr. Robert Malone

00:00:00.000 We're going to try to do something a little different today.

00:00:02.520 I want to open up the floor for the people who have been shut out of this incredibly important discussion.

00:00:07.980 You, the audience.

00:00:10.160 We're going to try to squeeze some calls in.

00:00:12.460 I've got tons of questions from social media.

00:00:15.020 I want you to be in the interview seat.

00:00:19.540 You can ask whatever you like.

00:00:20.740 All the medical questions that were considered too dangerous for most medical professionals to answer.

00:00:26.140 The questions that the media and big tech have done everything in their power to keep you from asking or hearing a different line of thought.

00:00:37.440 I thought long and hard about how to approach my discussion with today's guest, partly because he has been booted off most platforms, including Twitter.

00:00:47.320 As a result, people have a lot of questions for the man.

00:00:51.500 But how do we do that interview?

00:00:53.380 Also, partly, he's become incredibly controversial.

00:00:59.740 We have a lot of controversial guests on this project, but on this podcast.

00:01:05.320 But this one's exceptionally controversial.

00:01:08.920 You remember the manufactured outrage about Joe Rogan?

00:01:12.860 Well, the most recent outbreak of manufactured outrage about Joe Rogan was involving this guy.

00:01:20.380 When Neil Young threw a tantrum and gave an ultimatum to Spotify, take Joe Rogan off or you'll never be able to play one of my crappy songs again.

00:01:30.420 And then Joni Mitchell did it.

00:01:31.980 Oh, my gosh.

00:01:32.720 What would we do without those two?

00:01:35.340 Cause for the outrage centered on one particular episode of Joe Rogan's podcast, a three hour interview with today's guest, a highly distinguished virologist.

00:01:48.680 In the wake of his appearance, just about every mainstream media outlet ran a blustery fact check article about it.

00:01:56.480 PolitiFact, which is owned by the Poynter Institute.

00:01:59.480 Look that up, called him an anti-vaccine darling.

00:02:05.120 Really?

00:02:05.420 Because he got the vaccine.

00:02:07.480 The Guardian, Forbes, The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Atlantic all rushed to attack.

00:02:12.580 You know, all those trusted names in news.

00:02:16.060 That to me is like a badge of honor.

00:02:18.340 That's usually a good indication that the elites feel threatened.

00:02:22.100 So we should at least hear the guy out.

00:02:25.400 A letter signed by 270 doctors demanded Spotify remove the episode because it spreads misinformation about the science.

00:02:38.780 You know, there's one thing about trusting science, but what is trusting the science?

00:02:43.900 Turns out most of those 270 were not really doctors or virologists at all.

00:02:51.480 Let alone scientists of the caliber of today's guest.

00:02:55.720 That's not an understatement.

00:02:58.980 He is he's one of the big boys.

00:03:01.640 He was a fellow at Boston Children's Hospital, the chief architect of the mRNA vaccine technology.

00:03:09.320 Even now, his colleagues consider him brilliant.

00:03:13.220 I don't say it really out loud all the time.

00:03:15.680 When he was 28 years old, he invented the mRNA vaccine, an invention that has saved millions of lives and probably would have earned him a Nobel Prize if he would have just kept his mouth shut.

00:03:31.480 They have ways of making you not talk.

00:03:34.140 So why didn't he and the mRNA, the mRNA vaccine that we now have and everybody has had to take.

00:03:45.780 What do we know now, two years later, that maybe we should have known a little earlier?

00:03:52.420 Please welcome Dr. Robert Malone.

00:03:57.280 Since Roe versus Wade, over 63 million babies have been aborted in the U.S. alone.

00:04:06.500 Nearly one in four pregnancies.

00:04:08.300 In the midst of this evil tragedy, we can do something about it.

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00:04:43.920 What we have found is if a woman comes in, she's pregnant, and she actually hears the heartbeat, sees the baby on the ultrasound, she's 80% more likely to choose life for her baby.

00:04:57.060 That's why Planned Parenthood and all the people around Planned Parenthood just don't want,

00:05:01.160 No, you're going to, well, that's horrible.

00:05:03.800 You're going to force them to have an ultrasound?

00:05:05.840 No, just going to provide one for them if they'd like.

00:05:09.600 Preborn partners with the clinics in the highest abortion cities and the highest regions all across the country.

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00:05:28.180 Gee, I wonder which ones they are.

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00:06:26.380 Welcome.

00:06:27.260 Glad you're here.

00:06:28.220 Thanks, Glenn.

00:06:29.440 So, man, there are so many questions, and I have gotten so many people writing in their questions.

00:06:37.820 We have some people on the phone that also want to ask you some things.

00:06:40.900 But I want to start just on some basic stuff.

00:06:44.780 Explain, like a five-year-old, or not like a five-year-old, to a five-year-old mRNA technology.

00:06:54.320 So that's a great question because as we've been looking more into the kind of the tools of media manipulation that go back to Goebbels and LeVon,

00:07:05.660 and we put out a sub-stack about this, one of the key parameters is that when you have a complex idea or technology,

00:07:12.740 it has to be simplified down to the level that the masses can assimilate it.

00:07:17.160 That's a core thesis, a core parameter in propaganda, which is what we've all been subjected to.

00:07:23.660 And so the contrapositive, the anti-propaganda, is to help people to understand what it really is.

00:07:30.260 So let's dive into it a little bit.

00:07:32.600 This will take a moment.

00:07:33.620 I'll try not to make it too long.

00:07:35.900 So the core idea that goes back to my little brainstorm when I was about 28 at the Salk Institute in the late 1980s

00:07:45.720 was that gene therapy has all been built around the idea of permanent modification of the genetics of your cells.

00:07:54.560 And there's various splinter versions of that.

00:07:59.060 It's kind of a web of knowledge or ideas, you know, germline gene therapy versus somatic cell gene therapy, blah, blah, blah.

00:08:06.920 And the problem with any of those gene therapy ideas is that if you, no matter what you use, viruses, DNA, whatever,

00:08:16.280 is if you do this modification to somebody's body, it goes into a lot of different cells all over your body.

00:08:23.800 And unlike, like, if you were to implant something into someone, you can't go and cut it out because the cells are all over the place.

00:08:32.160 And they're relatively infrequent because the truth is that despite the whole transhumanism idea, gene therapy didn't work very good.

00:08:41.760 We still are a long way from having a good solution.

00:08:44.860 So the problem is that if these genetic information goes into your cells and it starts producing a protein,

00:08:52.420 and the protein is a problem, it causes toxicity in you for whatever reason, you can't go in and cut it out.

00:08:58.400 It's permanently in there.

00:09:00.000 And so the brainstorm was as, you know, things were progressing in a cascade of events that you could put this other nucleic acid molecule,

00:09:07.940 this other genetic information molecule, RNA, that is fairly short-lived.

00:09:14.060 It's normally, it does its business in your cell, then it gets cut up and recycled and used to make other RNA.

00:09:20.380 That's kind of how RNA works.

00:09:22.120 And it typically only lasts for, you know, minutes to a couple hours.

00:09:27.020 And so the idea was, okay, if we could slip this into your cells instead of DNA or instead of viruses,

00:09:32.640 it could produce the protein and then it would go away right away.

00:09:36.160 And so if there was a bad problem, you wouldn't redose.

00:09:40.720 And if it worked and it was producing a good effect, you could administer more like you do with any pharmaceuticals.

00:09:46.260 So that was the core idea of mRNA as a drug.

00:09:49.300 And then the question is, what are you going to do with it?

00:09:52.120 What's the initial entry-level application?

00:09:55.380 That application in my embodiment and my conception was for vaccines.

00:10:01.940 Vaccines require very little protein being made.

00:10:06.160 And so the core idea of the tech is you use this very labile, you know, easily readily degraded molecule.

00:10:14.800 You put it into cells and that was part of the magic that happened for me at the Salk Institute was how to do that.

00:10:22.320 And it doesn't stick around very long.

00:10:24.840 It produces the protein and you're done.

00:10:27.400 And so that was what was advanced initially at, you know, the first development was at Salk and then the reduction to practice was at a little company across the street called Vical that I joined after I left the Salk.

00:10:43.720 And we showed that in mice, you could inject RNA coding for the envelope glycoprotein that's kind of akin to the spike of the AIDS virus and produce an immune response in the mice.

00:10:58.980 And then that led to a huge focus on trying to develop an AIDS vaccine.

00:11:02.400 So that's the short version is that you have a molecule, it's easily degraded, you use, you coat it with a fat that makes it slip into cells.

00:11:13.440 I'm super simplifying this.

00:11:14.760 Yes, I know.

00:11:15.540 And I appreciate it.

00:11:18.580 But that's the truth.

00:11:20.380 That's all the truth.

00:11:21.320 And then it produces a protein.

00:11:24.040 And in the case of an immune response, it's a protein that would be part of a virus or a bacteria.

00:11:31.680 And it would make the cell look to your immune system like it's been infected by the virus, for instance, coronavirus in our case, without having the actual virus.

00:11:40.800 That was the idea.

00:11:42.620 Now, a lot of things have happened since then.

00:11:44.360 And one of the key things that happened was the discovery about a decade later of these two folks, Currico and Weissman, you know, they've been actively promoted for the Nobel Prize and blah, blah, blah.

00:11:54.700 And various people have claimed that they're the original inventors.

00:11:57.620 And what they did was they ran into the problem that I'd run into in my lab, which is these complexes generate a really robust immune response, an inflammatory response, a nonspecific inflammation.

00:12:11.420 And so they found that if they put this chemical in place of one of the four components of RNA, pseudouridine is what they put in.

00:12:21.420 If they put that into the molecule, it would suppress the immune response generated by this complex when you inject it into somebody.

00:12:29.760 Now, they thought that was a good thing.

00:12:31.700 Now, these days we see not so good.

00:12:33.880 And the other thing that the pseudouridine did is it kind of blew away the whole logic of short half-life.

00:12:41.340 Moderna has, and Pfizer have been saying, asserting that these molecules don't stick around very long.

00:12:48.720 But then there was a recent paper in Cell by a group from Stanford using biopsy of human lymph nodes, people's axillary lymph nodes that they had that were swollen.

00:12:59.540 And they biopsied those, and they looked for up to 60 days about whether or not the RNA was still there, whether or not we were still having spike protein being made.

00:13:08.280 And what they found was the RNA doesn't degrade.

00:13:10.820 It sticks around.

00:13:12.080 Uh-oh.

00:13:12.840 That makes the whole logic upside down.

00:13:16.100 It makes it more like super DNA.

00:13:19.420 DNA, single-stranded DNA, doesn't even stick around in the cell very long.

00:13:24.700 That's been the problem with antisense.

00:13:26.600 So what we now learn is that this modification that was supposed to make the whole thing work and be seminal has probably led to a situation in which this is very far from what I'd originally envisioned.

00:13:40.320 And it is producing, it's causing your body to get a nucleic acid, a kind of a synthetic version of a nucleic acid that sticks around for a really long time and continues to produce this protein.

00:13:53.620 Okay, so everything I learned about CRISPR, I learned from the last James Bond movie.

00:14:00.480 But CRISPR would have been the opposite, what you were trying to combat.

00:14:07.020 Because CRISPR, you change the DNA.

00:14:09.640 Precisely right.

00:14:10.400 Right?

00:14:10.760 And that state, you can't get it out.

00:14:12.440 Precisely right.

00:14:13.120 Okay.

00:14:13.280 And, but it's now more, this, the RNA, mRNA.

00:14:18.400 This is like you don't even need to use CRISPR.

00:14:20.200 Because the thing about RNA, this gets a little bit techie.

00:14:25.380 A cell has, you can think of a cell as having a bag within a bag.

00:14:30.380 The inside bag, the inner bag, akin to the yellow part of a fried egg, is where the DNA resides.

00:14:37.800 And it's protected by a envelope, a bag.

00:14:41.280 Okay.

00:14:41.900 And then there's the outer bag.

00:14:43.680 That's the cell membrane, cytoplasmic membrane.

00:14:46.420 RNA only has to get through one of those two.

00:14:48.940 It only has to get through the first one.

00:14:50.380 It does its business in the cytoplasm.

00:14:52.700 A DNA-based construct or Cas9 CRISPR solution or a virus, retrovirus or adenovirus, whatever, has to get all the way into the nucleus.

00:15:01.800 So, it's got to cross two membranes, and that makes it, those are both really important barriers for good reason.

00:15:08.760 Our cells kind of don't want to have parasitic DNA jumping into their genomes, right?

00:15:13.520 Right.

00:15:13.720 And so, we have a lot of evolved things that keep DNA and RNA out.

00:15:19.080 But what we've got now is kind of an odd hybrid with these vaccines.

00:15:26.460 And we've just, what's shocking to me is that the FDA didn't force the pharmaceutical companies to characterize these things.

00:15:35.560 They just said, hey, let's just jab everybody all over the world.

00:15:38.520 Why not?

00:15:38.900 What could possibly go wrong?

00:15:40.120 Correct.

00:15:40.440 And now, we've just learned about this fundamental thing that, you know, I've been whinging about the fact that we didn't have these data going back to that Brett Weinstein podcast that originally kind of set things going.

00:15:54.980 So, now we have this information.

00:15:56.960 And frankly, I'm way more worried about this than integration into parasites in cell culture, which is getting all the press right now.

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00:17:48.700 What does this mean?

00:17:51.600 Long-term consequences?

00:17:53.860 Do we have any idea what it means?

00:17:56.380 Well, we kind of do.

00:17:58.920 You know, I'm of the school that what people can do in the laboratory is nice and interesting and leads to papers.

00:18:07.860 But really what matters is what do you see in humans?

00:18:10.620 And that's why I love clinical research because you can dial the knobs on clinical research to get different kinds of responses.

00:18:20.460 But eventually the truth gets out.

00:18:22.300 And now we have this massive amount of data from all over the world that is coming back at us.

00:18:27.820 And most recently in the Pfizer, the latest Pfizer data drop with that three or six page or whatever it is, list of adverse events.

00:18:36.180 Okay.

00:18:36.520 So you ask, what does it mean?

00:18:38.820 And so we're all both aligned that we now know from the President's Day drop from the New York Times that the CDC has been withholding information from all of us, including physicians and health care providers and public health officers.

00:18:52.880 Have you seen anything like this?

00:18:54.180 No, this is shocking.

00:18:55.440 Right?

00:18:55.700 And it's shocking that, I mean, you are a world expert.

00:19:01.300 They say that you've blown your chance to get the Nobel Prize.

00:19:05.720 And I, by the way, on that topic, I don't think there's going to be a Nobel given out for RNA vaccines for some reason.

00:19:13.280 But you're a very well-respected voice.

00:19:17.540 You have played in the highest of circles.

00:19:20.480 And to shut you down, if you don't have a place at the table, there will be others that disagree with you.

00:19:28.160 But if you don't have a place at the table, who does?

00:19:32.800 So thanks for saying that.

00:19:33.880 And that's a point that I tried to make on Joe Rogan.

00:19:38.860 You know, if I'm not allowed to speak, then who is legitimately allowed?

00:19:45.720 I may be one of the only ones that really understands the technology at a deep level that doesn't have a financial conflict of interest.

00:19:55.340 But what this has revealed for all of us, and for you, you're a guy who's been, you know, outside of the mainstream narrative and poking holes at it for your entire career.

00:20:08.120 It's kind of like your brand, right?

00:20:11.240 Sad, but true.

00:20:13.400 But for me, I was, you know, merrily going along, doing my thing, trying to keep my head down so I didn't get shot in the world of D.C., working with the government, working with big pharma, working with small startup pharma, etc.

00:20:29.340 And just kind of doing my thing, consulting and advising people and often advising C-suite people and coaching.

00:20:37.920 And then this whole juggernaut has hit me.

00:20:41.660 And it has been a sharp shock for me to come to terms with what modern propaganda and media manipulation really means.

00:20:52.960 And what's fascinating here, Glenn, is that the docs that I travel with all the time, most of us were center-left, including myself.

00:21:06.560 Actually, a turning point was the series of radio interviews that you and I had back so long ago.

00:21:12.220 Really?

00:21:12.600 Yeah.

00:21:13.000 For me, that was a pivotal moment because I realized that the world was more complicated than I thought it was.

00:21:21.180 And that happened for a bunch of us.

00:21:23.180 Yeah.

00:21:23.580 I have one colleague who's now retired, who's a very senior doc, that said to me the other day, I can't read the New York Times anymore.

00:21:37.180 I don't know what to do.

00:21:39.120 I know.

00:21:40.160 It's like that.

00:21:41.280 Once you're red-pilled or clown-pilled or whatever, it's really for a while.

00:21:48.300 I mean, I worked at CNN, and I thought, this is crazy.

00:21:52.560 This is 2006.

00:21:53.620 This is crazy the way this works.

00:21:55.780 Then I thought, oh, Fox will be better.

00:21:57.780 I went over there, and I'm like, oh, my gosh, this is just as crazy.

00:22:01.340 And you realize nobody really is telling you the truth.

00:22:06.560 And it's not necessarily because they're at an evil plan or anything.

00:22:10.940 Most of the times, they're just disinterested, and they don't know how to do things that are complex, and don't know how to tell the story, and don't really care that much.

00:22:21.260 So they just kind of go along.

00:22:22.960 So that's the kind of banal evil version of what's going on.

00:22:29.240 Yes.

00:22:30.420 So you know, that was 2008.

00:22:33.160 That's not what's happening now.

00:22:34.460 Then there's those that were aware of Mockingbird back in the 60s and what that all meant with the infiltration of media by the CIA.

00:22:46.180 Yeah.

00:22:46.780 And that's well-documented.

00:22:48.140 That's not a conspiracy theory.

00:22:49.600 That's flat out.

00:22:50.540 They enacted legislation to stop it.

00:22:52.980 Exactly right.

00:22:53.460 And then we repealed that.

00:22:55.960 Yeah.

00:22:56.140 And the other thing that we did was this quid pro quo weaponization with the UK intelligence community so that we have this reciprocal relationship where they do the bidding against the American citizens, and we do the bidding against the British citizens.

00:23:11.480 It's, we got a problem.

00:23:14.800 A big problem.

00:23:15.780 A big problem.

00:23:16.320 And we're all being herded like sheep.

00:23:18.900 I don't know a better way to put it.

00:23:20.600 I mean, we were, we were talking before we started the podcast about Ukraine.

00:23:24.820 Something has felt wrong with that from the beginning, and it's clear what's going on.

00:23:31.960 This is great reset on one half of the world and nationalism on the other side.

00:23:39.800 I'm not going to play a part of that.

00:23:41.220 That's why that's, I think, I'm convinced that's why Donald Trump, they had to destroy him because he believed in America.

00:23:48.380 Oh, my, my point of view on Donald Trump has just flip-flopped.

00:23:53.960 That's crazy.

00:23:56.620 It's, it's, you red-pilled is the only metaphor that seems to work.

00:24:00.600 Thank God for the matrix and giving all of us a way to express a framework for, in words, language, right?

00:24:07.580 Language influences how we think.

00:24:09.280 It's, it's scary a little bit to me that sometimes people on the right are so desperate for anybody with credibility to go, hey, I see you guys.

00:24:21.680 You know what I mean?

00:24:22.340 That we just rush into a relationship and we, you know, we just, we can be friends.

00:24:28.400 We can talk.

00:24:29.480 We can learn about each other.

00:24:30.580 But that doesn't mean that you're for everything I'm for.

00:24:34.260 We've lost nuance.

00:24:37.000 We used to be able to be friends with everybody, but that didn't mean we agreed with everything they said.

00:24:42.940 You know what I mean?

00:24:44.080 Well, this is the richness of life.

00:24:46.440 Right.

00:24:46.900 Isn't it?

00:24:47.540 Yes.

00:24:48.240 But it's gone.

00:24:49.580 Is to have this complexity and granularity.

00:24:50.720 Yes.

00:24:51.020 But it's, it, I guess, because it's not useful for those that are wanting to control the information landscape.

00:24:59.980 Right.

00:25:00.100 And that's, that's really, for me, the big, the big reveal.

00:25:03.640 It, it started with awareness of the Trusted News Initiative.

00:25:08.300 And, and I'm, I'm flattered that the, what do they call it, wiki spooks, wiki spooks credit me, credits me with having open, blown open the story of the Trusted News Initiative.

00:25:22.460 I don't know that I really deserve that, but I'll take it.

00:25:24.780 But, but the T and I was, for me, the, the moment when I realized I was no longer in Kansas and, and that clearly there was a global manipulation of, and management of information that I was encountering.

00:25:42.400 And I was, and was encountering me.

00:25:46.340 Until, until it comes for you, you don't understand it.

00:25:50.560 Yeah.

00:25:50.780 But when it comes for you, all of a sudden you're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait, what?

00:25:54.800 Well, this is, this is the, I think the, the most amazing thing about the pushback on Joe Rogan.

00:26:01.140 Yeah.

00:26:01.340 Is, I think Joe and Spotify were not ready for, for that.

00:26:08.120 And I think it caught them unawares.

00:26:10.400 Yeah.

00:26:10.940 And they really mismanaged it.

00:26:13.560 And I think Joe is, you know, hurt his brand in a major way.

00:26:20.420 Yeah.

00:26:21.060 He's still got, he's still the top podcaster.

00:26:23.340 Yeah.

00:26:23.400 He's still, he's going to be fine.

00:26:24.840 As long as he doesn't look, you just have to, a friend told me one time, asked me, is a rattlesnake a bad pet?

00:26:32.560 No.

00:26:33.100 As long as you remember, always it's a rattlesnake, you know what I mean?

00:26:37.120 Don't treat it like a puppy dog.

00:26:38.660 Good metaphor.

00:26:39.500 Yeah.

00:26:40.000 Yeah.

00:26:41.240 Let me go back here on a couple of things.

00:26:43.380 First of all, you know, the, the things that we have seen that they have given to pilots, you know, the, you have to take it.

00:26:53.440 Well, wait a minute.

00:26:54.800 Is that going to affect my heart?

00:26:56.360 Cause I'm out.

00:26:57.500 If it does some of these side effects that Pfizer, I mean, you cannot watch, uh, uh, you know, a Viagra commercial without at least 20 seconds of get to a hospital.

00:27:09.820 If it doesn't stop, you know what I mean?

00:27:12.800 And they tell us all that you could go blind.

00:27:15.740 You might lose all your hair, but with this one, we weren't told anything, what the side effects are with this now staying in your system.

00:27:26.680 What do you fear could be coming for people like you who took the vaccine?

00:27:32.660 So, uh, my friend, Ryan Cole, who has been, uh, slandered at least as, or defamed at least as much as I have.

00:27:41.480 And, and by the way, for those of you out here, we both have retained the same attorney who is very aggressive about defamation.

00:27:47.920 So, uh, be on notice, uh, um, woke journalist advocates.

00:27:54.160 Um, but Ryan has been observing these unusual cancers.

00:27:59.100 And as we've been traveling, and I travel with him fairly frequently to speak in various audiences, Ryan is, Ryan Cole is a boarded pathologist.

00:28:08.400 He was trained by literally the premier skin pathologist in the world, in the history of pathology.

00:28:16.380 He is deeply credentialed and has been mercilessly attacked for speaking what he's observing clinically.

00:28:24.320 He's observing, and now we're hearing oncologists and, and, uh, uh, diagnosed, uh, cancer surgeons, um, uh, diagnostic radiologists, many others starting to chime in saying they're seeing the same thing.

00:28:40.320 He's seeing very unusual cancers in terms of their onset and their aggressiveness.

00:28:46.220 And, uh, but, uh, but he's been making these observations and speaking about them cautiously.

00:29:00.060 And what happens, people don't, don't recognize that pathologists are kind of the quality control for the whole medical system.

00:29:07.780 And we're trained in, in pattern recognition.

00:29:11.020 That's what we do.

00:29:11.900 That's, you know, why, why is Robert Malone out front saying, Hey guys, something here is not right.

00:29:17.060 Right.

00:29:17.180 Cause that's what my training is.

00:29:18.540 I taught pathology for over a decade.

00:29:20.280 And that's what we do is we do pattern recognition and signal detection.

00:29:24.860 It's why you probably see things, um, you know, like Ukraine.

00:29:29.600 That's why I, I'm, I'm a, I recognize patterns and, and I look that dot and that dot are in the wrong place.

00:29:37.420 You know, and that you can see what's, so, so that's, that's the cancer story is that there are things there that aren't adding up that look like signal.

00:29:47.880 And what, as we're traveling about, we're having other physicians in the allied disciplines like cancer surgery and oncology saying, yeah, actually, now that you brought it up, we're able to see this too.

00:30:01.780 And we're also concerned.

00:30:03.200 Okay.

00:30:03.340 So that's one thing in terms of the longterm.

00:30:05.420 Uh, there's this, uh, the word that's being bandied about is AIDS.

00:30:11.500 And if you unpack that, we're not talking about the AIDS virus being a part of the spike protein, which some people have talked about.

00:30:21.640 The issue there is that there seems to be a immunosuppressive syndrome that is associated with the vaccines.

00:30:30.400 And this immunosuppressive syndrome, uh, seems to be a function of the number of administrations that one receives.

00:30:39.720 And it seems to be more associated with the RNA vaccines.

00:30:44.680 And that fits, I mean, we're, we're seeing all these little bits of data that are kind of coming around.

00:30:51.000 And one of them is the data that have come from many national governments that seem to be aligned with the more jabs you get, the more likely you get infected with Omicron or have, or have COVID disease.

00:31:04.700 And those data are real.

00:31:06.700 They've been reproduced multiple times.

00:31:08.860 There was an Epic times article because Epic times is the only one that published any of this stuff anymore.

00:31:13.600 Right.

00:31:14.260 Um, uh, that, that covered this.

00:31:16.780 And, uh, so it's now in this, if you call Epic times, mainstream media, they're like number six in the world.

00:31:22.260 So I guess they are, um, uh, it's out there.

00:31:25.840 I've been talking about it for quite a while.

00:31:28.200 Uh, Ryan's been talking about it.

00:31:30.160 There's multiple mechanisms of immunosuppression associated with these.

00:31:35.420 And as I mentioned, the incorporation of the pseudouridine is fundamentally one of them.

00:31:39.660 So let me, let me ask you a question.

00:31:41.400 It seems to me that the reason why this, uh, has all happened is because the government was involved and the government is supposed to say, no, these are, this is the standard.

00:31:55.480 And you just hit that and let people decide and let the experts argue back and forth.

00:32:00.600 The government paid for all of the, a lot of this.

00:32:04.640 Um, they then picked the winners and the losers and then told the, uh, pharmaceutical companies, you can't get sued.

00:32:14.060 We're going to tell everybody.

00:32:15.300 And you don't have to release all of those warnings.

00:32:18.460 Isn't the problem?

00:32:19.520 The government that is, and I've seen a recent op-ed piece out, uh, really building on this theme that you're laying out here in this case.

00:32:28.160 And I think there's a, this, this logic has a lot of merit that, and it's, Peter McCullough was the first one that really spoke out about this kind of odd, um, insidious relationship that exists.

00:32:46.440 Technically the FDA, because this is an emergency use authorized product, technically the FDA acts as the sponsor.

00:32:54.860 That's regulatory legal language for the people responsible for the product.

00:33:00.060 So the FDA is both the regulatory authority overseeing it and they're acting as the sponsor, which normally would be a role held by the pharmaceutical industry.

00:33:10.060 And so in this, in the scope of the world I live in and in this kind of stuff and BARDA and all the big government contracts that I've been doing for like last 30 years.

00:33:20.520 Um, uh, what, what we've got is that functionally pharma for these products that we have here in the, in the U S because Tony has kept the other ones out.

00:33:35.080 Okay.

00:33:35.940 Um, there's like 10 of them that are licensed now at WHO and there's, there's old school vaccines that the rest of the world is using, but we can't use.

00:33:42.800 Um, and Novavax is kind of sort of like an old school vaccine and we're not going to have access to that, even though it's U S produced with Bill and Melinda Gates funding.

00:33:52.160 Okay.

00:33:52.460 So, so they've been kept out and pharma acts as the contractor to the government in the case of Moderna and Pfizer BioNTech and J and J.

00:34:03.840 So they're, they're government contractors and they have all of the rights and privileges of a government contractor.

00:34:10.500 And the government is really the one that can owns the program.

00:34:14.280 And the government is the one that acts as pharma, um, in this transaction, this regulatory transaction with the FDA.

00:34:24.680 And the government is the one that is overseeing the vaccine advocacy as well as the vaccine surveillance.

00:34:32.460 That's the job of the CDC, by the way, this sounds like something Al Capone would have designed really, uh, you couldn't, you, if, if the, I don't even want to go down that rabbit hole.

00:34:44.060 Uh, no, but I mean, it's, it's, you know, I've got one bookkeeper looking over the book, other bookkeeper.

00:34:49.640 So we have our books straight, but they both work for Al Capone.

00:34:53.420 I mean, it's a good metaphor.

00:34:54.920 Yeah.

00:34:55.420 Yeah.

00:34:55.600 It is a good metaphor.

00:34:56.680 Um, and, and what it's revealed is this deep underlying corruption that threads throughout our entire health and human services.

00:35:05.880 And then we have, as if that isn't enough, then we have these perverse subsidies that have been given to our entire pharmacy, our entire hospital system for, uh, administering remdesivir and, uh, putting people in the vent and calling people COVID.

00:35:22.680 When in fact they, they have some other diagnosis there, there, there's a fascinating analysis.

00:35:28.580 I saw recently looking at the great Britain data and cause that's starting to all crumble.

00:35:33.580 The, the narrative crumbling in Britain is occurring faster than it is here in the United States.

00:35:39.340 And, uh, it looks like the true COVID deaths, you know, attributable to this virus are extremely clustered in the elderly and high risk groups.

00:35:51.840 And just like has the data manipulation that's been going on here, the vast majority of the cases that have been attributed to COVID are actually people that would have died of other causes.

00:36:01.340 Right. I mean, we saw that you looked at the, the excess deaths, the excess death rate.

00:36:08.180 Um, and it showed that less people were dying, you know, from natural causes and, and, and they're saying, well, what's happening?

00:36:17.040 How come people aren't dying?

00:36:18.360 It's such a, because you're reclassifying them.

00:36:20.980 Just so.

00:36:21.820 Right.

00:36:22.360 Yeah.

00:36:23.000 The, the, the, where that breaks down a little bit in ed doubt, I think deserves a gold star for what he's done.

00:36:30.020 And this ex-BlackRock, uh, analyst who, by the way, we've been tight with, um, for a long time.

00:36:37.720 I kind of brought, helped Ed bring his message out to people.

00:36:42.360 He's the one that's been tracking and really amplifying all of these signals from the insurance industry.

00:36:48.480 And there is this odd, uh, surge in, I'm going to use techie talk, morbidity and mortality, death and sickness, uh, and disability.

00:36:58.960 In, uh, the actuarial tables of the insurance industry internationally, it seems to coincide with the onset of the mandated vaccine administration.

00:37:10.460 And the pushback is, well, that also coincides with the onset of Delta and Delta was more pathogenic.

00:37:16.860 So, that's got to sort itself out, but the insurance industry, they don't mess around with data.

00:37:23.520 This is their livelihood.

00:37:24.920 Unlike the CDC and, and the yellow card system in, in the UK, you can't, you can't spin, uh, actuarial data.

00:37:34.680 They know how to disambiguate spin.

00:37:37.080 Right.

00:37:37.600 That's what they do for a living.

00:37:39.060 Right.

00:37:39.320 Okay.

00:37:40.060 And the signal is coming out all over the place.

00:37:42.880 And then you're having these fascinating things like the guy who was kind of the whistleblower with the German insurance data, uh, getting fired just before he's supposed to be talking about what he's found.

00:37:53.080 I mean that the, the manipulation, media manipulation, information manipulation that has gone on here is profound.

00:38:01.060 Have you had your license threatened?

00:38:02.540 I have.

00:38:03.520 That's unbelievable.

00:38:04.120 The woman in, the woman who found Omicron in South, uh, in South America, or I mean, uh, South, uh, Africa.

00:38:11.480 Yep.

00:38:12.860 She, she's spoken about how she was pressured not to say anything.

00:38:17.640 I mean, it takes real bravery to stand up now.

00:38:21.660 I, I mean, I have, I have a very brave doctor who, you know, hydroxychloroquine, all of this stuff.

00:38:28.200 And he'll consult, but he's like, I can't, I can't write certain prescriptions because they will come down on us like a bag of bricks, you know?

00:38:39.400 And it's, I, I just, I've never seen anything.

00:38:42.260 No, there's never been anything like this.

00:38:44.300 Nothing.

00:38:44.700 This is, this is corporate, uh, control and management of, uh, the practice of healthcare.

00:38:51.160 So, um, let me, uh, let me flip it here.

00:38:55.520 How, how many people didn't have to, I've never seen it where people, uh, you know, you go to the hospital and you're really sick and they say, you know what?

00:39:07.140 Can't do anything right now.

00:39:08.360 Come back when you're really, really sick, when you can barely breathe, then maybe we can do something about it.

00:39:13.900 There's, I don't believe there's no treatment.

00:39:16.800 I've never heard of anything like that.

00:39:18.920 We don't say, ah, you're really, really sick.

00:39:21.820 It's leprosy.

00:39:22.680 Take a couple of aspirin.

00:39:24.260 And if your arm falls off, you come back.

00:39:26.460 I mean, it doesn't happen that way.

00:39:28.480 Yeah.

00:39:28.700 How many things that could have been used could have treated it early?

00:39:35.400 It's that first week.

00:39:36.840 If you can treat it, how many people didn't have to die, but because we stopped all other treatment, they did.

00:39:44.860 So that's, so as you know, Richard Urso, uh, Peter McCullough, um, Pierre Corey, uh, so many people have been at the forefront and even in a small way, myself and, and the crew that I've been working with, with defense hurt reduction agency, uh, have pioneered various early treatment options using repurpose drugs.

00:40:10.700 And, and even, you know, when I went to the Vatican and I met with, uh, Cardinal Turkson, he told me about a remedy that comes from, uh, uh, rural Africa that he believed was effective.

00:40:26.720 Uh, this was all set in confidence and I don't want to go deeper into that, but, but what I said to him was, yeah, pretty much any anti-inflammatory strategy applied early seems to be able to shut this thing down.

00:40:39.460 So, yes, the question about the, the more excess mortality, there are estimates that the excess mortality due to the suppression of early treatment is, um, in, you know, in the range, it is big numbers, uh, percentage.

00:40:59.940 Yeah, like, like, like something like 70% of the excess deaths, uh, could have been avoided with early treatment.

00:41:06.640 Oh my gosh.

00:41:07.440 Here's the rub is that, um, if we, we can't, the, the, the observation that the true deaths are overinflated and those calculations, uh, that lead to conclusions about hundreds of thousands to millions of deaths.

00:41:29.920 of excess deaths, um, can't live in the same space.

00:41:34.820 Uh, so, uh, I think that, that we have to dial back a little bit and say, well, now that we're starting to get to what the true death rate was, as opposed to the hyperinflated death rate, then we have to apply the 70% because that's about what it is.

00:41:53.180 About 70% of those deaths are probably avoidable, uh, with early intervention.

00:41:58.380 Um, it gets complicated trying to, trying to figure out, uh, who's on first, uh, because of all of the data manipulation and ambiguity that's been generated because basically the CDC hasn't done its job.

00:42:12.780 Uh, and so that's, I'm trying to, to, uh, skate around giving you a straight answer because all I, all that's important to me is we could have saved lives and I don't care what the number is.

00:42:27.100 I don't think we could ever really figure that out.

00:42:29.540 Yes.

00:42:30.060 Too messy.

00:42:30.300 But, um, we can say we shouldn't do this again.

00:42:34.980 You know, um, let me take a phone call from, uh, Dan.

00:42:38.900 He's in New York.

00:42:39.760 Hi, Dan.

00:42:41.540 Hi, Glenn.

00:42:42.160 How are you?

00:42:42.640 Very good.

00:42:44.080 Great.

00:42:44.540 Hey, Dr.

00:42:45.100 Mullen, thank you for everything you've done.

00:42:46.340 You've really helped everybody see through some of the fog here in the science.

00:42:49.880 Uh, my question is about the phase one trial of Moderna.

00:42:53.560 When the CEO came out on CNBC that morning, talked about dose dependent response.

00:42:58.200 Uh, it was eight out of eight patients showed neutralizing antibodies.

00:43:01.280 I think that was out of only out of only 45 patients.

00:43:04.240 And they said that antibodies were similar to or higher than those who recovered from COVID.

00:43:08.240 Now, what we know, looking back with the VAERS data and everything we've talked about with

00:43:12.840 leaky vaccine, was that really a great starting point to launch everything from and say, we've

00:43:18.100 got it.

00:43:19.000 You know, this is perfect.

00:43:20.240 We're going forward.

00:43:21.160 Even if they have the EAU, you know, most people probably don't know that most phase

00:43:24.280 one and phase two trials fail before they ever get to phase three and get approval.

00:43:28.540 But what are your thoughts of that phase one trial and how the CEO came out and just

00:43:31.360 said, this is awesome.

00:43:32.280 This is great.

00:43:32.880 And, you know, you're going to be, this is going to be the best vaccine ever.

00:43:37.660 Yes.

00:43:38.000 So normally if I was to do that, uh, I would be in trouble with the FDA if, if that was

00:43:44.580 my clinical trial.

00:43:45.660 My objection at the time when that was happening is that there was no clear indication that

00:43:53.460 antibody titer or neutralizing antibody levels were, we technically, the word we use is they

00:44:01.520 are not an established correlative protection.

00:44:04.100 So what he was, what he was speaking of was scientifically gibberish, uh, because he was asserting with

00:44:13.060 those statements that, uh, neutralizing antibodies were an indicator of protection and there, that

00:44:22.240 has not been verified in, we now know much more about that.

00:44:26.560 The neutralizing antibody assay that was being used there is really skewed and a lot of that

00:44:33.820 response that was being detected was actually what we call a recall immune response, uh, for

00:44:40.320 antibodies that were generated against prior circulating cold coronaviruses called beta

00:44:45.760 coronaviruses.

00:44:46.560 So that, that was a gross misrepresentation and interpretation of the data, but that was

00:44:54.100 just one of, of a huge bucket of, of misrep, data misrepresentations that have gone on all

00:45:01.440 the way through this.

00:45:02.140 I hope that answers your question.

00:45:03.640 Let me, let me ask you this.

00:45:05.700 Um, there was a story about, uh, was it Moderna, uh, just making a human error and, uh, gosh,

00:45:16.000 that, that sequence from a patented, Oh, that, yeah.

00:45:20.020 What is that story about?

00:45:21.640 Okay.

00:45:22.140 So, uh, and paradoxically the CEO of Moderna gave it legs when he gave his, I think it

00:45:28.560 was CNBC interview.

00:45:29.980 Yeah.

00:45:30.220 Uh, when I, when I saw that as somebody, I don't do the kind of nuanced data, um, sequence

00:45:37.660 analysis comparison stuff routinely, but I do it from time to time and it's readily done,

00:45:44.000 uh, using available tools that you can get, uh, online and, and look at the databases that,

00:45:51.740 uh, the national center for biocomputing information, biotechnology information has available.

00:45:56.860 Uh, and you can basically turn the knobs of those programs in terms of their sensitivity

00:46:03.620 for alignment and base pairing to get almost any answer you want.

00:46:08.660 So when I first heard that, when I first heard that, I thought, ah, this is somebody jumping,

00:46:14.860 you know, they, they've managed to get a lot of publicity for a pretty marginal, uh, finding

00:46:21.180 on a very short stretch of nucleic acid that, uh, shows significant alignment.

00:46:28.320 But, you know, if you chose a small enough section, you can get alignments between virtually

00:46:32.900 anything.

00:46:33.940 Okay.

00:46:34.560 And so, uh, and yeah, if you're on the calculations, it would be a highly statistically improbable

00:46:41.260 event that you would see this.

00:46:43.760 And, and so I thought, oh, this just, this isn't of all the things to get excited about.

00:46:48.760 This is not getting me excited.

00:46:50.700 Um, and, uh, as opposed to the cell paper that I talked about, about the long lived RNA,

00:46:55.460 which has been totally disregarded by the press.

00:46:58.040 Um, that seems like a pretty big deal.

00:47:00.620 Yeah.

00:47:00.720 But that, but that nobody's talks about it.

00:47:02.580 Yeah.

00:47:02.880 Um, uh, but, uh, and, and I've heard from docs that Moderna in, in Pfizer reps have told

00:47:09.340 them exactly the opposite, that these RNAs just stick around for a short period of time.

00:47:13.520 But in any case, on that particular topic of that sequence alignment, I thought it just

00:47:18.320 sounded like noise, uh, and, and highly improbable.

00:47:22.760 Uh, and then, in the interview on CNBC, where, where the CEO just did everything he could

00:47:30.480 to not answer the question, uh, who just, uh, raised my, uh, my concern levels quite a bit

00:47:38.760 more.

00:47:40.180 Here's, here's the thing about this that does matter.

00:47:44.400 If you cut through all that noise of who did what and when and how, uh, in, in just to,

00:47:52.820 for the record, after the project Veritas disclosures of the, uh, um, both the proposal

00:48:01.300 review and the proposal itself and associated documentation from DARPA having to do with the

00:48:07.340 EcoHealth Alliance bid that was submitted and then speaking directly to the EcoHealth Alliance

00:48:12.880 whistleblower that's, uh, and that was an interview on Trial Site News.

00:48:17.720 Um, uh, I'm convinced that this thing was engineered at the Wuhan lab.

00:48:22.400 I'm just there.

00:48:23.680 Okay.

00:48:23.880 That's me.

00:48:24.540 Is that new for you?

00:48:26.820 I've always been suspicious.

00:48:28.800 Right.

00:48:29.220 But, uh, there was some holes that I had to fill in that just didn't make sense.

00:48:33.160 Why would they be engineering this thing?

00:48:35.060 And the explanations that, oh, this is the, the people's Republic, uh, and the CCP just

00:48:41.440 doing their evil thing.

00:48:42.920 Um, that was just too simplistic, but now we have the reveal of, of the logic underneath

00:48:50.500 it, that they were trying to engineer a bat, uh, infectious virus for vaccine purposes that

00:48:56.720 they were going to blow into the caves of it is a year old enough.

00:49:00.640 You remember the name Rube Goldberg.

00:49:02.140 Many people that listen to this podcast won't refresh my memory.

00:49:06.140 Oh, this Rube Goldberg was an artist.

00:49:08.520 You remember that mousetrap when we were kids, the game mousetrap.

00:49:12.460 Okay.

00:49:12.700 Mousetrap basically was embodying the sketches that this, uh, satirist used to write.

00:49:19.080 Right.

00:49:19.320 Yeah.

00:49:19.520 Yeah.

00:49:19.620 Yeah.

00:49:19.760 Um, okay.

00:49:20.280 So, so this is totally an act in, in, in the character in the Rube Goldberg sketches

00:49:25.440 was a professor, was an academic.

00:49:28.120 That's what he was all.

00:49:29.260 It was all about spoofing academic culture and their tendency to over engineer everything.

00:49:35.620 And so that when I read this, I'm like, this is Rube Goldberg does, uh, biotechnology and

00:49:43.360 bio warfare.

00:49:44.100 Um, so that's, that was when I kind of tipped over and said, okay, now all the pieces fit

00:49:49.740 for me.

00:49:50.480 But in terms of what, what getting back to your point about this sequence that, uh, may

00:49:56.560 or may not have been, uh, patented by Moderna and may or may not be in the sequence of the

00:50:01.620 virus, uh, there are, I'm convinced that there are multiple sequence events in the spike protein

00:50:13.700 as expressed by the original SARS-CoV-2 virus, uh, that was put up as the Wuhan seafood market

00:50:22.920 virus.

00:50:23.400 Uh, and subsequently, which sequence was taken directly and used as the vaccine antigen?

00:50:32.020 Okay.

00:50:32.180 So this is what's key about this, that, that the, the geniuses at the vaccine research center

00:50:38.140 and at BioNTech grabbed those sequences.

00:50:42.040 They introduced the two proline mutations in the stem region to make it so that it would

00:50:47.860 be more immunogenic, but they left all the other engineered stuff that was in there because

00:50:52.280 they didn't really know it was engineered when people make the point like Steven Halffield,

00:50:57.240 my friend, and, you know, Peter Navarro loves to pound the table about this, that, um, if

00:51:03.220 the PRC had only come clean early on, we could have engineered a better vaccine.

00:51:08.960 Um, I think there's merit to that because these introduced sequences, which appear to include

00:51:17.300 a super antigen sequence, uh, and that's kind of important for some of the newest data that's

00:51:23.660 coming out.

00:51:24.260 That's, that's a inside baseball thing.

00:51:26.580 What's it mean?

00:51:27.800 Super antigens are short protein sequences, which can broadly activate either B or T cells,

00:51:35.580 which means, which means that they flip them on and they start doing their business without

00:51:41.440 having been well instructed in what they do.

00:51:44.460 So one of the things that we are observing now, so, and this gets back to the, uh, AIDS

00:51:52.460 diagnosis thing, um, is what's being observed is a lot of antibody based tests for, um, for, um,

00:52:01.660 infectious disease are giving false positives.

00:52:04.980 Okay.

00:52:05.600 Why does that happen?

00:52:07.000 Okay.

00:52:07.600 It happens because of non-specific activation of antibody production.

00:52:13.140 Okay.

00:52:13.480 And so that can raise the overall levels of antibodies against a bunch of different things.

00:52:17.800 This can happen with a lot of different inflammatory states, but super antigens are really good at

00:52:23.640 tweaking both B and T cells and they can lead to immune energy.

00:52:29.340 That's immunosuppression.

00:52:30.840 That's another word for immunosuppression.

00:52:32.380 And they can lead to non-specific activation of cells to produce antibodies and other things,

00:52:37.980 which seems to be consistent with this false positive signal that pathologists are picking

00:52:45.240 up now in a lot of the antibody diagnostic tests.

00:52:48.600 So Hatfield is the one that has made the case that there's this, uh, SEB antigen in engineered

00:52:56.340 into this thing.

00:52:57.600 And I can imagine that that would have been done because it's, it's not farfetched to think

00:53:03.760 that somebody engineering a virus to become more pathogenic would have included a super

00:53:09.880 antigen into the, uh, part of the virus that's displayed on its surface.

00:53:14.560 That's the way these kinds of folks that do gain a function research think I've worked with

00:53:19.020 that.

00:53:19.620 Okay.

00:53:19.900 So I don't think it's farfetched and, uh, then we have the furin cleavage side and these

00:53:25.600 other things.

00:53:26.060 But what, what is, um, fascinating to me in retrospect is that we just kind of blithely

00:53:33.200 took those sequences.

00:53:35.840 We introduced two proline mutations to make them more imogenic and that became the vaccine

00:53:41.300 that we injected into everybody.

00:53:42.920 And we didn't really do because the FDA didn't insist on it.

00:53:47.020 The rigorous, uh, right analysis in non-clinical studies of, you know, what's the effects, how

00:53:54.800 long, where is it expressed?

00:53:56.820 Uh, you know, um, how to, you know, where does this go when you inject it?

00:54:00.780 All that stuff was short circuited under operation warp speed.

00:54:05.040 And, um, now, you know, you can run, but you can't hide the data are coming out and they

00:54:12.200 are going to come out.

00:54:13.000 Uh, so, so that's in, in terms of this little point about a Moderna sequence that may be

00:54:20.960 existing within the spike protein coding sequence.

00:54:23.940 I think it's, I still am in the box that I don't see that this is directly clinically relevant,

00:54:32.040 but I think that, uh, we have multiple signs that what was injected into all of us that took

00:54:39.680 the jab is directly derived from an engineered sequence that was intended to produce a, a

00:54:48.900 more severe pathology in humans as a step towards, uh, engineering, a bat vaccine to make it so

00:54:57.600 the bats would not be able to evolve a virus that would be more pathogenic in humans.

00:55:01.680 Like I said, it's a Rube Goldberg.

00:55:02.920 It's all crazy.

00:55:04.780 So, so, um, help me out because you were friends with all these guys.

00:55:09.360 You knew all these guys, you have connections at the Wuhan lab, Tony Fauci.

00:55:14.120 I would say frenemies is a better way to put it.

00:55:17.180 I op, I've, I've lived in this operational space for a long time and, uh, I'm well familiar

00:55:24.660 with the practices that happen in this operational space.

00:55:28.060 It's, it's, I, my primary interactions with the NIAID now for, for decades has been, I,

00:55:35.920 once upon a time I received an NIAID training grant.

00:55:39.060 Okay.

00:55:39.540 For me training me, I never completed it.

00:55:42.420 I went to work for, uh, uniformed services, university of health sciences, and they screwed

00:55:47.400 up the contract.

00:55:48.500 So that's, that's the history.

00:55:50.200 I just want to be clear in disclosure to your audience.

00:55:52.560 Other than that, I really have not had any NIH contracts or grants.

00:55:58.520 What I have had is over $8 billion of awards or management of contracts that largely come

00:56:06.880 from either BARDA or the Department of Defense.

00:56:10.020 I've long worked very closely with the Department of Defense, going back to my very first contract

00:56:16.480 in 1991 to develop a DNA vaccine for AIDS with the U.S. Navy.

00:56:20.880 So I, you know, for me, the warfighter is my customer.

00:56:26.680 And, uh, in addition to the other, you know, things that I consult for, but in terms of government

00:56:32.560 work, I've long been very DOD centric.

00:56:36.520 One of the reasons is because I really like working with the DOD world because they, they

00:56:43.080 have to deliver products.

00:56:44.520 You know, they're not about publishing in the New England Journal or, you know, becoming

00:56:50.960 high profile academic thought leaders.

00:56:52.880 They're about getting the damn product into the soldier and helping the soldier and the

00:56:56.880 warfighter to do their business.

00:56:58.520 And so I just feel more comfortable with people that are more focused on making something work

00:57:05.260 as opposed to building their career.

00:57:07.640 It's funny because you make me think of the scene in, do you remember the first Ghostbusters?

00:57:11.760 Did you ever see Ghostbusters?

00:57:12.760 Yeah.

00:57:13.420 Uh, and when Dan Aykroyd looks at, uh, Bill Murray and Bill Murray says, this is great.

00:57:19.960 We'll go out, we'll start a business.

00:57:21.720 We will, we'll make a ton of cash.

00:57:23.640 And Dan Aykroyd looks at him and says, you've never been outside of the academic world.

00:57:28.160 In the real world, they expect results.

00:57:31.700 Just so, so, um, you know, the, the, the scary thing to me is we still don't have any

00:57:39.760 answers.

00:57:40.260 I don't know if we're ever going to get real answers.

00:57:42.520 I think, I think the Kennedy assassination is a metaphor.

00:57:45.520 Yeah.

00:57:46.220 Yeah.

00:57:47.100 Yeah.

00:57:48.180 Um, and, and yet with the Kennedy assassination, well, maybe, um, you know, we weren't just

00:57:56.320 continuing to kill presidents, uh, this time Fauci is still getting money for, um, a gain

00:58:03.360 of function.

00:58:04.280 Uh, we're still seemingly producing Wuhan lab.

00:58:07.460 So I've run this to ground.

00:58:09.280 Um, and partially, uh, I, I have a, there's a gentleman that I've been mentoring within

00:58:15.320 DITRA now for a couple of years.

00:58:17.360 Um, uh, and it's been my pleasure to do so.

00:58:20.720 And I warned him that he better make sure his fingerprints were nowhere near, uh,

00:58:26.320 all of this mess.

00:58:27.620 And then I was contacted by this whistleblower, uh, from eco health Alliance.

00:58:32.660 And he shared a bunch of grants and contract numbers, uh, that tied eco health together

00:58:38.700 with defense threat reduction agency.

00:58:40.840 Yeah.

00:58:41.440 And, uh, so on some money.

00:58:43.560 So I, I, I, I ran this to ground.

00:58:47.660 Um, and, uh, and I did activate my network within DOD to say, Hey guys, cause DITRA is

00:58:55.000 who I work for it.

00:58:55.700 There's different branches of DITRA.

00:58:57.560 Um, there's threat reduction group, et cetera.

00:58:59.960 And I work for chem bio mostly.

00:59:02.080 That's who I'm more aligned with.

00:59:03.340 Um, chem bio defense.

00:59:05.260 And, and so I use my network though, to run this to ground and, um, defense threat reduction

00:59:11.460 agency is still funding the Wuhan lab for sure in a significant way.

00:59:15.520 And the logic seems to be wrapped around the idea that was, uh, advanced during the fall

00:59:24.560 of the, uh, former Soviet union when there were all those loose nukes.

00:59:28.760 And this is what gave rise to DITRA.

00:59:30.760 This is kind of DITRA's big achievement in the world is they went around and bought up

00:59:34.120 those loose nukes and they started funneling money to Russian nuclear scientists.

00:59:38.120 So they wouldn't be, uh, you know, become Iranian nuclear scientists, right?

00:59:42.660 Basically that was the game.

00:59:45.060 Uh, and so they're still playing that game and they still believe that by funneling capital

00:59:50.420 to the Wuhan lab and their scientists, that's allowing them ostensibly the logic is, okay,

00:59:59.340 so, so this, we, this is where, you know, there's the storyline and then there's the, what

01:00:05.260 one might infer, uh, the storyline is that this allows them to de-incentivize these people

01:00:11.980 for going to go and make nasty stuff.

01:00:14.820 Right.

01:00:15.060 Um, I think, I think that it's far deeper than that.

01:00:19.680 Um, and we have to keep in mind that often in the scientific community, there, there is

01:00:29.080 a tendency to think of the Chinese scientist as not being an innovator, not being at the

01:00:35.860 forefront of their technology, not being sophisticated, but what in, in, you know, it's now out in the

01:00:43.360 press that we've trained the Wuhan lab over, over, you know, years.

01:00:48.340 Okay.

01:00:48.900 We've had teams going in from Galveston, from, from our, uh, BSL four containment and BSL three

01:00:54.760 containment laboratories, going in and training them.

01:00:57.480 Uh, and, uh, and we have had these prohibitions on certain types of gain of function research

01:01:05.600 and experimentation.

01:01:07.080 I think what we really have personally, my hypothesis is we've got a two way street there.

01:01:13.200 We're, we're gaining information by being able to have a footprint there in their laboratory

01:01:18.420 and not only just observe what they're doing from an intelligence standpoint, but learn from

01:01:24.020 what they're doing and what their findings are just the same as the game was played with

01:01:28.620 the, uh, you know, with, um, the, the German rocketeers.

01:01:33.380 Uh, and, and so I, this, we're, you know, what we're told is a very much a whitewash story.

01:01:43.200 Of what our relationship has been with that laboratory that I'm positive.

01:01:46.740 Do you know who, I think his name was Ken Alback?

01:01:49.960 Alback.

01:01:50.460 Of course I've met him.

01:01:51.380 Oh yeah.

01:01:51.840 Yeah.

01:01:52.120 Great guy.

01:01:52.540 Right.

01:01:53.100 My interesting character.

01:01:54.880 Yeah.

01:01:55.400 Yeah.

01:01:55.540 Yeah.

01:01:55.740 You should say it that way.

01:01:56.820 Uh, a, a, a great story.

01:01:59.980 Yeah.

01:02:00.260 A great, absolutely.

01:02:01.940 Great story.

01:02:02.220 And a great lesson to learn.

01:02:04.860 Um, he was the, he was the head for a while of the, of the biological weapons, uh, department

01:02:11.780 in the Soviet union and it, his story is crazy bad, crazy bad.

01:02:18.480 It scared the bejesus out of, uh, Oh, the defense rate reduction agency.

01:02:23.080 Yeah.

01:02:24.000 So, um, he said that he was glad when the Soviet union collapsed and he could get over here

01:02:30.840 because we were, this is what he told me.

01:02:33.020 Cause we were the good guys and we were looking for vaccines.

01:02:37.840 We were looking for a cure while they were looking for things that would just kill.

01:02:42.800 If it was a cure, there was a cure for it.

01:02:44.600 It was no good.

01:02:46.300 Okay.

01:02:46.800 So that is a, that is a very spun version of reality by Ken Alback.

01:02:52.360 Okay.

01:02:53.220 Uh, um, I gotta be careful here cause I have clearance.

01:02:58.740 Um, I think there's been a, a disclosure.

01:03:04.540 My understanding is this is now public domain.

01:03:07.260 Okay.

01:03:07.880 Okay.

01:03:08.080 So I'm operating in good faith.

01:03:09.640 I believe this is public domain.

01:03:11.200 Okay.

01:03:12.180 Um, the United States government invested, I'm told more in bio warfare than they invested

01:03:18.220 in, in thermonuclear weapon research.

01:03:21.180 Basically the entire infrastructure of modern biology as we know it, what I was trained in

01:03:26.860 comes out of a massive, massive investment in bio warfare.

01:03:31.560 And, and on our side, we identify, we developed a binary, highly lethal weapon that in, in my

01:03:40.120 world, the belief system is that this played a major role in the collapse of the former Soviet

01:03:45.360 Union and in the air, in the era of, uh, Reagan and the wall, because the problem that we faced

01:03:53.420 strategically was the tank commanders, a blitzkrieg, basically Russian blitzkrieg, uh, scenario.

01:04:02.720 Um, and remember in geopolitical, uh, affairs, this, this, you don't have to necessarily do

01:04:09.640 something.

01:04:10.340 You just have to have the big stick.

01:04:12.280 Yeah.

01:04:12.720 Right.

01:04:13.060 Okay.

01:04:13.560 And a little bit of a twitchy eye where the other side goes, he might just do it.

01:04:17.580 Yeah.

01:04:17.660 Just so.

01:04:18.240 And we're, we're facing that right now with the ramping up of the dialogue about

01:04:22.160 thermonuclear weapons again.

01:04:23.860 So the, this, the threat scenario was that the Soviet tank commanders could reach the

01:04:29.160 English channel before we could stop them.

01:04:32.340 And, uh, that was the mission was to figure out a solution to that.

01:04:36.880 And, uh, so we had the neutron, um, bomb kind of stuff.

01:04:41.800 A lot of that, what was developed, the tank commanders could still live long enough to get

01:04:47.720 to the channel.

01:04:48.200 Uh, so that wasn't good enough and we had to come up with something better.

01:04:53.220 And we came up with a binary weapon that I won't disclose because you can make it in

01:04:56.700 your garage now.

01:04:57.740 Oh, good.

01:04:58.020 You can order the parts off of eBay and make it in your garage.

01:05:00.660 Okay.

01:05:01.120 We came up with a binary weapon and we field tested it.

01:05:04.360 Um, and it was extremely lethal and extremely rapid onset.

01:05:10.000 Um, and we tried to develop vaccines against the components.

01:05:14.240 We still don't have those vaccines, unfortunately, um, and that was lethal enough that in, in

01:05:21.680 fast acting enough that it could neutralize the threat.

01:05:25.380 It did neutralize the threat of blitz.

01:05:27.700 And we told them that we had this.

01:05:30.060 Yeah.

01:05:30.660 And they knew that we had it.

01:05:33.000 This is one of these.

01:05:34.060 They knew that we knew that they knew that it goes around and around, but the bottom line

01:05:38.720 was we had it and the whole blitzkrieg, uh, strategy was no longer viable.

01:05:44.620 And that triggered, as I understand the thinking for the, you know, and of course people that

01:05:49.580 are in my world always want to make, everybody wants to make themselves the hero.

01:05:52.960 Uh, so, but that's that version of the story.

01:05:56.000 Uh, so this, this logic that Ken put out that we're the good guys and they're the bad guys.

01:06:01.660 Um, not so much.

01:06:02.840 I, I, I can't get behind that.

01:06:05.660 Um, we, um, there's, I've spoken about this before, so I'll say it again.

01:06:13.520 There's a huge hole in the biowarfare treaty.

01:06:17.320 Um, the biowarfare treaty is all about lethal agents.

01:06:21.740 And in my world, we know darn well that, that, um, non-lethal agents, what we, what's called

01:06:29.720 in my world, incapacitating agents are not covered in the biowarfare treaty.

01:06:34.020 Um, okay.

01:06:36.080 So that's, you know, we're, you got to understand the modern landscape of warfare and you probably

01:06:43.900 do.

01:06:44.480 I don't want to cast shade on you.

01:06:46.920 Um, so the modern landscape of warfare is all about SOCOM special ops and these small

01:06:53.180 strike forces and drones.

01:06:55.240 I mean, that's, that's the, it's all shifted now.

01:06:57.820 Um, and, uh, so in that battlefield arena, you have the need for, uh, special forces to

01:07:07.580 be able to go in, in, in a strike capacity over the short term and intervene in some environment,

01:07:14.480 uh, that may be contaminated with, uh, biologic agents.

01:07:18.620 It may be to, uh, neutralize a potential, uh, laboratory that might be engineering, uh,

01:07:25.880 biowarfare agents such as apparently existed along the Russian Ukrainian border.

01:07:30.000 Right.

01:07:30.100 Just to give one small example that's kind of topical.

01:07:33.280 Right.

01:07:33.360 Um, and so, uh, these, you know, it, in an environment in which the technology miss, you mentioned

01:07:41.300 Cas9, Cas, CRISPR, Cas9, the technology is so powerful that, uh, bad stuff can be engineered

01:07:48.480 and cooked in a garage using stuff you got off eBay.

01:07:51.340 Yeah.

01:07:51.740 Uh, um, then, then one needs to be able to have small forces go in and intervene in that environment

01:07:59.080 and you want to have them protected, uh, biologically.

01:08:02.180 And so you need to have some ability to produce a rapidly produce a vaccine or an antibody as

01:08:08.900 one of the preferred monoclonal antibodies, because, you know, from the point of view of

01:08:13.580 SOCOM, the ideal is an agent that you can give to the warfighter has, you know, like a month

01:08:21.040 or two activity.

01:08:22.160 They can go doing their business by the time they get back to wife, it's gone.

01:08:26.280 They actually don't like vaccines that much, um, because of all this long tail they have.

01:08:32.180 So that's, that's this, the, the, this Ken Allabeck kind of storyline.

01:08:38.700 We're good guys.

01:08:39.900 They're bad guys.

01:08:41.000 Yeah.

01:08:41.240 Uh, it's not, it's, they're all spooks.

01:08:44.480 Yes.

01:08:45.160 It's all spooky.

01:08:46.280 And this is all happening all the time on both sides.

01:08:49.160 Right.

01:08:49.380 That's the truth of it.

01:08:50.280 I've got to get to some of these questions.

01:08:51.860 We'll do a rapid, uh, answer question and answer thing here in a second.

01:08:55.000 But I want to ask you one last question about China.

01:08:58.220 Um, China is deeply, from what I understand, deeply involved in CRISPR for almost kind of

01:09:07.380 like spooky Marvel comics, super soldiers, people that can.

01:09:12.840 So to that point, we put out a sub stack.

01:09:15.780 There's a report from a joint report from the government of the UK and Germany about transhumanism.

01:09:22.620 And, uh, as you know, this is one of the agendas of the world economic forum.

01:09:25.880 That's not hidden.

01:09:26.600 It's not a conspiracy transhumanism.

01:09:28.840 And they talk about the RNA vaccines as an entry point, uh, kind of opening that space, uh, ethically

01:09:36.580 and otherwise.

01:09:37.380 So that's part of the push for why these particular products is it relates to that transhumanism

01:09:44.160 agenda and the explain for anybody who doesn't know transhumanism, explain it, break it down.

01:09:50.620 So transhumanism is the belief is, is the technology suite, I think is the best way to put it around

01:09:57.420 the idea of both mechanical and biological modification of humans for improved longevity

01:10:04.320 and performance, I think in general, and, and could be improved cognition also.

01:10:09.340 So doesn't this strike anyone as maybe territory we shouldn't go into?

01:10:15.380 So that's the fascinating thing about this government report from Germany and the UK that, like I

01:10:21.060 said, we covered in our sub stack, it's readily available in circulation.

01:10:24.740 And they say, basically, we have to do it because the other guy's doing it.

01:10:29.560 And they acknowledge that, um, there are ethical barriers that have to be breached.

01:10:36.240 And they basically say outright, we don't have any choice.

01:10:40.020 We have to do it because the other guys are doing it.

01:10:42.260 And of course, the other guys, um, uh, by inference is the people's Republic of China.

01:10:47.040 And I, for sure, the PRC has no barriers to doing anything.

01:10:52.200 None.

01:10:52.760 Um, and they're, they're in a total warfare environment.

01:10:56.940 Do I have, do I have it right to say we are now messing with things that Mengele and others

01:11:03.740 were trying to mess with?

01:11:05.560 They just didn't have the technology and they may have been quacks, but this, they're, we're

01:11:11.420 trying now to do the same thing with technology that may actually make it work.

01:11:17.980 Yeah.

01:11:18.600 So I'm a little, as somebody who's a 30 year veteran of the gene therapy business, I'm a

01:11:22.820 little skeptical about the making it work part.

01:11:25.220 Uh, yeah, that's a good news.

01:11:27.920 Um, but, uh, you know, mechanical augmentation for sure.

01:11:32.820 Uh, it, we can look forward to that and we can look forward to the, uh, robotic products

01:11:40.240 that have been developed with, uh, DARPA.

01:11:42.340 So I don't have a problem if you're talking about prosthetic arms and legs and things like

01:11:46.200 that, or, uh, no, we're talking about, um, battle suits in the way that we've seen play

01:11:51.740 out in, in science fiction with augmented performance and embedded in all kinds of embedded

01:11:58.220 transducers for, uh, you know, instead of this, it's, it's part of the, uh,

01:12:02.800 part of us.

01:12:03.260 Right.

01:12:03.640 And, and augmentation in, in cognitive brain performance and all kinds of things.

01:12:09.640 So that, that is where the world, it is no clear question.

01:12:17.120 World Economic Forum is all in on this.

01:12:19.120 That's the lovely thing about the World Economic Forum is they don't hide their stuff.

01:12:23.560 They just say it.

01:12:24.840 And then they leave the paper trail that shows they're doing it.

01:12:27.860 It's terrifying.

01:12:28.940 So, but, but you mentioned the People's Republic and, and that seems to be the logic that's

01:12:35.400 being floated right now is they're already doing it.

01:12:38.400 And if we don't want to be left behind, we have to do it too.

01:12:41.900 And, uh, the ethics, uh, be damned, uh, because it's a matter of national security.

01:12:47.540 That's what I read.

01:12:48.820 Well, I, I had dinner last night with a billionaire high tech guy who's on our side.

01:12:53.660 And, uh, I said, so when we're talking quantum computing or AI, how close are we?

01:13:03.200 How close do you think, you know, where, where are we with China?

01:13:06.380 And he said, you know, nobody can prove either way.

01:13:09.200 He said, but I think we're probably way behind.

01:13:11.440 Yeah.

01:13:11.780 With, with, uh, so quanting.

01:13:14.500 So one of the things that DARPA is worried about is the quantum communication.

01:13:18.600 So, uh, it's not just quantum computing.

01:13:20.780 What's quantum communication.

01:13:22.700 So this is the, the whole quantum logic has to do with spin and electrons and, and flipping

01:13:29.980 spin and, and the, uh, you know, kind of the uncertainty principle and, uh, um, Schrodinger's

01:13:39.060 cat, right.

01:13:40.340 Right.

01:13:41.160 It's all, it's all around, um, this odd phenomena where you have aligned electron spin at two

01:13:48.980 different locations and then this one can change and you have action at a distance where this

01:13:55.260 one can change.

01:13:56.080 Okay.

01:13:56.420 So what that means.

01:13:57.440 You can change.

01:13:58.380 I could be here.

01:13:59.440 You could be in New York.

01:14:01.140 Right.

01:14:01.720 Yeah.

01:14:01.940 You could, I mean, theoretically, more importantly, the satellite can be up there.

01:14:06.240 Okay.

01:14:06.720 And the information can be spun, right.

01:14:10.280 The, the bits really, which are encoded as these quantum events can, can change and suddenly

01:14:18.200 at a distance in a way that cannot be blocked.

01:14:21.720 Okay.

01:14:22.320 That's the thing is you can't interfere with quantum communication.

01:14:26.500 It tunnels right through anything.

01:14:28.800 And that for sure is being developed by people's Republic.

01:14:34.260 And we're, of course, we're running as fast as we can to do that too.

01:14:37.240 Give me a practical use.

01:14:39.600 Uh, military communications for sure.

01:14:42.280 It's, it, you know, this means unjammable, um, uh, encoded information that can be simultaneously

01:14:50.500 broadcast anywhere and you can't stop it.

01:14:54.840 So that, that with, with that kind of communication capability as that gets developed, that has

01:15:00.540 to do with everything, right.

01:15:02.900 Um, you know, in an environment in which warfare is about drones and robots, that's all about,

01:15:08.660 uh, signal management and, and, uh, the ability to, um, restrict the, you know, to restrict

01:15:18.200 the battlefield landscape means to restrict the communications landscape in the modern battlefield

01:15:23.520 environment.

01:15:24.140 Right.

01:15:24.500 And so that's the, the quantum communication has got, has got all of us a little bit spooked

01:15:30.820 and they're all over it.

01:15:31.960 Okay.

01:15:32.400 So let's, cause I got a bunch of questions.

01:15:34.020 Let's see if we can go rapid fire as much as we can.

01:15:37.520 Um, this is probably one of the bigger questions that we saw over and over and over again.

01:15:43.200 Um, uh, vaccine shredding.

01:15:46.420 What is it?

01:15:47.420 Conspiracy shredding, shedding, shedding, shedding.

01:15:49.900 Yeah.

01:15:50.360 Conspiracy theory or real.

01:15:52.280 So when this, so the.

01:15:54.500 So you love to tell stories.

01:15:56.620 I'm sorry.

01:15:57.020 I can't.

01:15:57.260 That's all right.

01:15:57.680 That's all right.

01:15:58.100 Um, I got called from the UK by a group of men, young men once about, uh, having sexual

01:16:05.580 intercourse with women that had been vaccinated and they were worried about the shedding story.

01:16:09.320 And back then I was like, guys, you got a bigger problem than to worry about this.

01:16:13.620 Okay.

01:16:14.420 Um, and you're in the spectrum of things to worry about.

01:16:16.800 And then what is, what is it?

01:16:19.980 It.

01:16:20.360 So the logic is the, the concern is that the spike antigen can be transmitted through body

01:16:27.600 fluids or through aerosols.

01:16:30.440 Okay.

01:16:31.080 Um, to third parties.

01:16:32.680 So the, the, you had this observation of women with their menstrual periods where they seem

01:16:38.940 to be being altered when some of them have received vaccination in a group, the synchronization

01:16:45.000 of menstruation in women is a fascinating thing and it absolutely happens.

01:16:47.840 Um, but, uh, so I, I was of the opinion that this was not likely to be clinically significant

01:16:57.700 and, uh, the logic was that some of this could be aerosolized by exosomes, which are absolutely

01:17:04.640 secreted in your lung.

01:17:05.700 Um, and so, so that was what people were talking about.

01:17:09.480 Um, there are these really odd observations of breastfeeding babies in adverse events.

01:17:16.500 Um, and so I thought all of this was just noise.

01:17:21.200 And then the cell paper came out showing this high level of spike protein expression.

01:17:26.880 And now I've had to revise my position.

01:17:30.060 So where I'm at right now is that it is technically possible and in a variety of body, body fluids

01:17:37.740 and we don't need to go down that list.

01:17:39.000 Yeah.

01:17:39.140 Yeah.

01:17:39.280 Um, uh, on a, on a G rated show, right?

01:17:42.940 Um, I think we got it, but, uh, yeah.

01:17:46.500 Um, the studies must be done now.

01:17:49.380 That's my opinion.

01:17:50.460 And, and they are, are technically possible to be done and it's on the, on this long list

01:17:56.500 of stuff that ought to be being done and isn't.

01:17:59.660 What is your, um, thought on, uh, pediatric vaccines?

01:18:04.720 Oh, well, uh, that's been a bedrock position of mine all the way along, which is no.

01:18:11.000 Yeah.

01:18:11.440 The risk benefit ratio is completely upside down, particularly for mandated, um, to the,

01:18:17.820 there, there is the possible exception of those children that are at very high risk

01:18:23.400 for death.

01:18:24.080 And they're basically as, as my friend Hatfield put it rather bluntly the other day, uh, these

01:18:29.860 are kids that are going to die anyhow.

01:18:31.660 Um, so, you know, advanced cancers, advanced cystic fibrosis, things like that.

01:18:37.200 So for the, for healthy children, there is no justification for these genetic vaccines

01:18:44.780 in that the, the, the logs on that fire are getting more and more and it's going higher

01:18:52.200 and higher.

01:18:53.100 Uh, and what does that mean?

01:18:55.000 Uh, it's, it's becoming, uh, the data supporting that position are becoming stronger almost by

01:19:03.760 the day is what I'm trying to say with that metaphor.

01:19:06.280 Uh, and, um, I am completely comfortable unequivocally saying no jabs for kids.

01:19:15.880 Uh, the myocarditis define kids up at least up to 18.

01:19:20.240 And it's really extends the myocarditis extends up to young adults.

01:19:24.040 They are not at significant risk for this virus.

01:19:27.360 And with Omicron, that makes it even more the case.

01:19:31.120 And I, I serve as the, so I'm not, this isn't a punch, but I serve as the chief medical officer

01:19:36.960 and regulatory officer for the unity project, which is exclusively focused on stopping the

01:19:42.440 mandates coming out of Gavin Newsom's California and now all across the country and the world.

01:19:47.620 That is a core position.

01:19:49.620 Um, the, um, why, why didn't we look at, um, natural immunity?

01:19:59.560 Why, why, why, why was that never?

01:20:01.440 So the problem with that, the way you phrase that question is I, I said it again and again,

01:20:06.260 I can't get into Tony Fauci's head and I don't want to try or Rochelle Walensky.

01:20:11.180 So the why questions of, of the bizarre decisions that our government has made.

01:20:16.420 Okay. So, so, so then let me, let me flip it.

01:20:20.200 Tell me the facts on over 140, over 140 public studies that demonstrate that natural immunity

01:20:27.600 is far superior to the vaccine induced immunity.

01:20:30.520 And it makes total sense as a vaccinologist and an immunologist because you're provoking

01:20:35.340 an immune response against all of the proteins, virtually the virus, as opposed to just the

01:20:39.460 spike protein. Um, that means that you're much less likely to allow the virus to evolve,

01:20:45.640 to escape that surveillance. And, uh, you know, uh, to pat myself on the back, uh, um, I, I really

01:20:55.060 stuck my neck out on Laura Ingraham right before Christmas. And I said, Omicron looks like it's going

01:21:00.000 to be a vaccine for all of us. And now we've got, uh, Dr. William Gates, uh, MD, PhD, uh, saying,

01:21:09.120 sadly, uh, yeah, Omicron is acting as a vaccine. Um, and just, just predicted. And, uh, it is,

01:21:18.600 let us hope that we're not going to have further escape mutant evolve. And, um, you know, people

01:21:26.040 are worried about an Omicron plus popping up that may be circulating in Asia.

01:21:31.320 It doesn't usually go that way, does it? It usually gets weaker. So that's the, um, with,

01:21:38.840 with natural immunity, the virus, a virus that is crossed over into a new species tends to evolve

01:21:46.380 to becoming less pathogenic. And there's, you know, fundamental evolutionary biology behind that.

01:21:52.220 The, the Gert van den Bosch's point is, uh, that there is this veterinary example of

01:21:59.340 Merrick's disease, which is a cancer in chickens that's virus caused that, uh, vaccination can

01:22:05.520 derive the development of more pathogenic, more infectious virus. And so it is in the world of,

01:22:12.180 of vaccinology. It's one of those things that we worry about. It could happen. And, um, it,

01:22:18.860 it Gert makes the point that, uh, and I think there's merit that, um, the jab, you know, this spike

01:22:27.660 mismatched spike vaccine, because it's designed for the original Wuhan strain, not for what's

01:22:33.300 circulating now. Right. It's like using an old influenza vaccine. Um, yet I just heard the

01:22:38.540 president just the other day talk about, you gotta get, and I, and I, I looked at my wife and I said,

01:22:44.020 why would you do that? That's, that was engineered for another. Oh, all I can say about Mr. Biden,

01:22:49.580 uh, you know, um, he's, let's say gently, he's not a biologist and he's, he, by the way, um, Francis

01:22:58.820 Collins, remember Francis left, uh, the NIH, he was appointed to be the president's advisor,

01:23:04.300 just like Tony is. So Tony and Francis Collins are still driving the bus. Um, and you know how it is

01:23:11.600 with the presidency. You're, you're in there and you're in a bubble and you don't know what's really

01:23:18.020 going on in the world. You only know what people tell you is going on in the world. So that's,

01:23:22.280 I, that's my only explanation for the, um,

01:23:28.160 misinformation and disinformation that I believe is coming out of the white house.

01:23:32.580 Maybe a little mal information once in a while. Um, uh, you say a third of the population is being

01:23:39.120 hypnotized. You want to explain that? So that's, uh, Matthias Desmet's mass formation hypothesis.

01:23:44.940 And I'd love to go into that. So I spent a week with Matthias in Andalusia, Spain,

01:23:49.680 and that documentary is about to come out. He is a brilliant academic, full stop. He's moved on

01:23:56.580 and, and he's working with a mathematician to build, uh, detailed mathematical models that,

01:24:03.460 that look at the mass formation process. And the, you'll recall that there was when I,

01:24:09.980 forgive the joke. So I said these three words on Rogan and Silicon Valley lost bladder control

01:24:18.080 universally all at the same time. Right. It was fascinating to watch how triggered they were.

01:24:24.100 Right. Because they're doing it because exactly. Yeah. Okay. And then as the tell was that the press

01:24:30.660 then cited AP and others, uh, they, they cited these often assistant professors or associate professors.

01:24:37.340 In other words, junior academics, Matthias is a full professor saying, Oh no, no, this is not a

01:24:42.240 legitimate academic. You know, these are not the droids you're looking for. Uh, and, and the one that

01:24:47.200 was quoted by the Associated Press has actually lectured on and written papers on nudging. Right.

01:24:54.980 Yeah. I mean, it's crazy. This, this has been happening forever. It was, uh, it was really kind of

01:25:02.960 institutionalized with, uh, what was his name? Bernays, uh, back around the Woodrow Wilson time

01:25:09.500 coming up with advertising, which he called at the time propaganda. And we've been doing behavioral

01:25:15.860 science ever since now. We just have all the data and the systems to do it. Yeah. And mass and big

01:25:23.700 data now. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I mean. Um, so dead on. So, uh, the, this is Matthias. So this book,

01:25:32.100 um, the psychological basis of totalitarianism, uh, is, is the volume and it's now on preprint,

01:25:40.100 uh, pre, you know, pre you could pre-purchase on Amazon. It's written in Dutch and it's now

01:25:45.520 being translated into English. Uh, so, uh, Matthias is insight that builds on, um, Hannah art and

01:25:54.000 Le Bon. And basically the truth that we put out a sub stack about this, about Le Bon and Goebbels.

01:26:00.260 Um, and, you know, Goebbels was a master of this. Oh yeah. And, and, uh, and I'm seeing his

01:26:07.940 kind of work everywhere. Yeah. Everywhere. I mean that, uh, we, we pulled up for our sub stack. We

01:26:15.860 pulled up, uh, uh, um, academic work on examining the propaganda techniques of Hitler and listed those.

01:26:23.840 And, you know, we don't have to go, is this, I'm not telling, I'm not saying that everybody's

01:26:27.500 a Nazi. No, everybody says I'm a Nazi. Yeah, I know. Strange, isn't it? But yeah, welcome to the

01:26:33.560 club. We call it projection. Um, uh, so, uh, but in any case, uh, Matthias's thesis is that,

01:26:40.960 um, about a third of the population, uh, typically when these events happen and they've happened

01:26:48.160 repeatedly over history that, uh, they've been accelerating in frequency and depth, uh, um,

01:26:56.380 with the advent of mass media, he believes firmly that what we're observing is a consequence of mass

01:27:03.840 media and information and messaging control. I agree. And, uh, we're seeing it with Ukraine.

01:27:09.560 You cannot get another side. And it's strange people you thought were reasonable all of a sudden

01:27:16.460 are staking out places where there is no nuance and we've got to do it this way.

01:27:22.400 Sean Hannity just, just went overboard. Right. And, and, um, yeah, so, so Tucker, uh, got caught

01:27:30.000 by being on the wrong side of the official narrative. And then, uh, recently he had to basically,

01:27:36.420 uh, um, he, he put out a broadcast in which he basically had to walk that back, um, uh,

01:27:46.460 or lose his career, uh, and, uh, fascinating. So, uh, Matthias's thesis is that about a third

01:27:54.880 of the population tends to fall into this, uh, a hypnosis event. Uh, he, he prefers using hypnosis

01:28:01.740 rather than psychosis. Uh, um, and, uh, and one of the core things that matters to folks

01:28:09.260 like you and me is that he believes that the only thing that will keep the society from

01:28:15.980 falling even deeper into this mass formation phenomena is for those dissidents that exist,

01:28:23.860 which is maybe another third, maybe it's 20% of the population that seem to be resistant to

01:28:29.820 those, to the hypnosis. We have a moral obligation to a calmly, um, non-violently

01:28:39.140 continue to offer truth. But what is it going to take to do wake up? Right. So you're right.

01:28:49.300 That is wake up is what happens apparently. Um, and, uh, and I've seen it happen as things get

01:28:55.740 worse. Some people are getting more entrenched, but others are like, wait a minute, wait a minute,

01:29:01.620 wait a minute. Okay. So this gets to the, like 40% that's in the middle that it's kind of wishy

01:29:06.700 washy. They haven't really been paying attention. They got to, you know, take care of their family

01:29:10.100 and just go along. Um, I think a great example of, of dissidents, um, helping, uh, would, uh,

01:29:21.820 alert that middle block to underlying truths is the Canadian truckers. I think the most important

01:29:31.340 thing that Canadian truckers did, uh, with their self-sacrifice and, you know, they sacrificed their

01:29:36.460 rigs. Truly. Those are not cheap toys. No. Uh, um, was they caused, um, this middle block,

01:29:45.280 at least in Canada to say, Oh, uh, there's something going on here that I didn't know

01:29:51.440 about and I need to pay attention to it and learn about it. But it requires Martin Luther King kind

01:29:58.860 of action. If you reinforce, if there would have been any violence, if they weren't good, kind people,

01:30:05.440 it would have worked the opposite way. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and they tried to provoke it. I do. I know.

01:30:10.700 That's, that's what the fear is right now is the truckers are hurtling towards the DC metro area

01:30:15.840 is we've, so I, I got a call the other day from, uh, secondhand from someone deep in state department

01:30:23.180 saying, uh, they're anticipating locking up. They have capacity now with the national guard coming in

01:30:29.420 to lock up 50,000 people and they are actively planning provocateur and false flag operations.

01:30:35.280 Um, whether that's true or not, uh, there is a long history of that kind of activity and, um,

01:30:44.120 that, that plays into media themes. And, and I hope that this is why I've been pushing this on

01:30:52.780 getter and other channels is don't go into DC. Don't be a fool. Yes. Like they said on star Wars,

01:30:59.700 it's a trap. Yes. Uh, and don't go there. Right. Uh, you know, and the truckers aren't going to go

01:31:05.260 into DC. I guarantee you that. Uh, and, um, I hope not. Well, that's, that's some, I think some are,

01:31:14.040 but I, I, I, I hear the same stories and that gets to a false flag and embedded. Yeah. Yeah.

01:31:21.600 It's complicated. Yeah. One last question. Um, are the, is the medical and science community?

01:31:32.620 Are they afraid? Hypnotized? Bought off? Bought off. Which is it a collection of all of them?

01:31:43.160 So you just said it. Okay. And, and that's, I, people have this tendency to be binary in their

01:31:49.720 thinking. It's either this or that. Okay. And they rarely say, Oh, it could be all of the above.

01:31:54.740 Yeah. And, and what has, uh, what I can say for, you know, I'm not like, once again,

01:32:01.720 I can't get into everybody's head. What's happened is, uh, really twisted. It's destroyed healthcare.

01:32:08.700 We've destroyed, you know, I was worried that we would destroy public confidence in the public

01:32:13.660 health system and the vaccine enterprise that we way past that. Oh, the next,

01:32:19.240 let's just say Ebola, you know, rears its ugly head in Cincinnati. You will want to see the actual

01:32:26.540 blood coming out of their eyes before you believe the people in. Oh, and you want to verify that it

01:32:32.280 wasn't actually shots taken. Yes. The West African outbreak that they've repurposed. Exactly. Right.

01:32:38.020 There's no credibility left. Yeah. So, so in clearly these perverse financial incentives have driven

01:32:45.460 the hospital systems throughout the United States to do stuff that is going to has, has destroyed

01:32:52.500 people's faith in hospitals. So bad. They've destroyed, uh, it, the, the faith in academic

01:32:58.820 medicine has shot, uh, the faith in health and human services. Here's, here's just to illustrate

01:33:05.140 this point a little bit. Um, I was in Portugal, uh, for, you know, horse shows cause that's what

01:33:13.060 we do. We breed this Portuguese horse, but I got picked up by the intellectual community or,

01:33:18.120 or kind of the, um, contrary intellectual community of Lisbon and brought to a couple of meetings while

01:33:24.260 I was there and to hardly go into the horse show. Um, and this is a bunch of Portuguese thought

01:33:29.300 leaders, judges, journalists, uh, academics, et cetera. And one of them, we did a round table Q and

01:33:35.920 a with a journalist, um, and, uh, head translator in my ear. Uh, and, and this older mother sitting

01:33:43.360 in the front row talks to me and she says, we have all believe we speaking as, as Portuguese and

01:33:50.000 Europeans have always believed that the U S FDA and CDC were, um, the world leaders and the arbiters of

01:33:59.440 truth. And in, you know, this, this was the group with integrity and we've now come to learn that they

01:34:06.400 are deeply corrupt. And that was the first time I had heard that use that term. And it hit me like a

01:34:13.560 brick. And yet we're, what other term do we have now? The drop of the New York times about the

01:34:19.980 CDC. I mean, it's, it's corruption. Okay. And what does that mean? Okay. We have two major economic

01:34:27.180 adversaries that want to own the pharmaceutical business, which is insanely productive and

01:34:32.280 lucrative. They're China and India. Okay. And we have now through our actions, talk about blowback.

01:34:39.360 We've destroyed the legitimacy of the American pharmaceutical industry worldwide and its integrity

01:34:46.700 and the view that, uh, our government were neutral arbiters of truth in this. And we just like

01:34:53.900 taken our, I, I can't see how this isn't going to happen. We've basically given our pharmaceutical

01:35:00.020 industry and our vaccines enterprise to India and China. Good heavens. The economic impact of this

01:35:07.580 stupidness is profound. The ability to remain a nation is profound. I mean, that that's the deep

01:35:17.520 thing that we're into right now is we're doing a deep dive of necessity. I mean, I've had to become

01:35:22.820 a journalist, which is like, yeah, I know it's weird. Um, uh, in, in, we're diving deep into, you know,

01:35:29.980 using the way back machine, we've got European collaborators documenting all these young leaders

01:35:34.860 and young influencers out of the world economic forum and where are they, you know, in all the

01:35:40.420 offices they've been put in. And Klaus says it. Yeah. He says he's proud Justin Trudeau. And we've got

01:35:48.380 people knee deep in, oh, we Gavin Newsom quote infiltrate. Yeah. Um, and when you look across the

01:35:55.480 spectrum of the folks that have been most authoritarian in, in implementing these mandates and everything

01:36:02.720 else, they, every single one of them seems to be WEF. Um, and so this is, this is, you know, another,

01:36:11.120 so I, I've come out now and said, number one, the, what was done by the CDC withholding epidemiologic

01:36:18.760 data and pushing out this information and acting as a propaganda arm, basically a political arm of

01:36:24.680 the white house. That is scientific fraud. It meets the criteria of scientific fraud. If I did that,

01:36:30.260 I would lose an academic position. I would be barred from ever getting a grant. My papers would have

01:36:35.340 to be pulled. It meets the criteria of academic fraud. Okay. Another big statement. We are becoming

01:36:42.340 a client state of the world economic forum. And as are most of the other Western democracies,

01:36:49.500 they are acting like client states. We have been infiltrated. And as you point out, Klaus is very proud

01:36:56.100 of it. Very proud. People think that, that people think this is a conspiracy. It's, it explains

01:37:02.640 everything and it's, and it is out documented out in the open. So that this gets, so for me,

01:37:11.140 for my journey over the last two years, which has just been like, Oh, the world is upside down.

01:37:15.680 Um, uh, but I have to follow the data and there's these big why and big how questions that I, I have

01:37:28.720 been wrestling with ever set spread pointed about on the dark horse podcast. And, and it's been a

01:37:35.100 gradual rolling reveal and people early on came to me and said, Oh, it was all about the world economic

01:37:40.720 form. The great reset. I was like, no, that is crazy talk. That is weird. Conspiracy, crazy stuff.

01:37:47.460 And yet over time, as I've looked at the information, I've looked at their communication,

01:37:52.440 I've looked at the practices, I've looked at the alignment across Australia, New Zealand,

01:37:58.160 Toronto, you know, uh, Canada, United States, uh, Macron in France. Um, it's the, the behaviors

01:38:06.240 are all consistent with statements that have come out of the W E F. Yeah. And, uh, I don't

01:38:13.100 see how you can, um, you know, the, the data are the data. Yeah. I know. And it seems to

01:38:22.020 be the only hypothesis that fits it. I know. I know. It's crazy. Thank you so much. Thank

01:38:27.820 you for taking a stand. Thanks for speaking out. Um, thanks for not being, I shouldn't say

01:38:34.280 this because I bet there's been times that you have, you know, been afraid for, you know,

01:38:39.020 your career and everything else. So I don't want to thank you for not being afraid. Thank

01:38:43.520 you for pushing past that and having the courage to stand up. Thanks. Um, and, and thank you

01:38:51.040 for your role in it too. I mean, you, those, that series of conversations we had was a turning

01:38:57.420 point for me. That's crazy. It was a moment where I was, was I kind of like the boogeyman

01:39:03.940 in the past to you? Like I would never, the Glenn Beck, he's crazy. So Glenn Beck in my

01:39:09.620 old world, um, was one notch above Alex Jones. Wow. Uh, and right in there with Steve Bannon,

01:39:18.540 who's like a best friend for me now. Right. We had go on the show all the time. Um, and,

01:39:23.380 uh, we had that conversation over, I've was a three broadcast or something. And, um, and

01:39:30.880 you, and you said at the end, I've really enjoyed this because we haven't, you've kept politics

01:39:37.840 out of it. And, and for some reason that triggered an awareness of our common ground.

01:39:48.100 That's what every, that's what people all over the world are looking for. That's what

01:39:53.200 they're saying to the elites. You're making everything about politics. You're telling us

01:39:57.360 that we're the problem. You guys have been running the joint. We're the problem. We're

01:40:01.680 the racist. We're this, we're that it's all coming from you. Just leave us alone. Just

01:40:08.840 leave us alone. Let us live our lives. Yeah. I mean, I have faith that our pharmaceutical

01:40:14.220 companies and their research labs can come up with all kinds of things. But when you

01:40:21.000 are saying, and you all, your doctor that you trusted your hospital, even the experts

01:40:27.320 who we've been holding up for a long time, if they're not saying what we're saying, shut

01:40:31.520 up and sit down. No, it's, it's not going to work. It's just not going to work.

01:40:37.440 No, but how do we get from here to there? And that's increasingly what I'm focused on is,

01:40:42.020 is how do we rebuild, you know, what is the public policy implications?

01:40:47.400 So my, my mother was a drug addict, alcoholic. She committed suicide when I was a teenager

01:40:53.920 and, um, I'm an alcoholic, uh, recovering. That's brave. Uh, and, uh, so you and Bobby

01:41:01.480 Kennedy have a common. So, uh, the, the thing, uh, is some people's bottom is death. They just

01:41:12.500 never reach their bottom. Um, thank God I wasn't one of them. I wonder if the United States of

01:41:18.620 America and the Western world is, um, if our bottom is too low to be able to recover. I hope

01:41:25.100 not, but you can't, you can't shake an alcoholic awake. You can't preach to them. They have to

01:41:31.760 decide. They have to feel the pain. I believe in. So, so here's, I, thanks for giving me an

01:41:38.920 opportunity to close on a positive note. Yeah. Um, so I, we spent this week in Andalusia shooting

01:41:45.600 this documentary, Spain. And what I came away from that with was the, you know, people said

01:41:53.540 to me directly, we believe in America. We believe in the American experiment. We need

01:42:00.540 America to lead. Okay. The world still believes in us. There is an American exceptionalism.

01:42:08.060 That's not just, um, jingoism. There is this constitution thing that these guys that lived

01:42:15.220 around where my farm is right now. And, you know, we're involved in being, you know, being

01:42:21.180 tied to the real world. There's this whole discussion thread that what we really have

01:42:28.060 is the tension between the laptop class and the people that live in the real world. And

01:42:33.000 I believe firmly that the people that live in the real world can save us, including pissed

01:42:40.300 off moms and African Americans. And it, it will be though. It will not come from an elite.

01:42:46.520 The, the solution will not come from a country. It is going to come from the populace. And, um,

01:42:52.380 and it's going to be, uh, I, the, we lost our unum and our unum, you know, e pluribus unum,

01:43:00.920 our unum is the bill of rights. And you want to talk about any issue that's happening today.

01:43:06.540 I can trace it right back to the violation of the bill of rights. And we, yeah, I think most of us

01:43:14.540 still agree on the bill of rights. If we can just, maybe not most California. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean,

01:43:21.700 there are those pockets that don't anymore, but that makes them the radical, not me. Yeah. That

01:43:26.780 makes you wanting to change things. Not me. I agree. So thank you, Doug. Yeah. My pleasure.

01:43:32.660 Appreciate it. Just a reminder, I'd love you to rate and subscribe to the podcast and pass this

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The Glenn Beck Program - March 12, 2022

Ep 137 ｜ The Doctor Who Nearly Got Joe Rogan Canceled ｜ Dr. Robert Malone ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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