Ep 139 ｜ Is Ukraine a Convenient War for Democrats？ ｜ Kim Iversen ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast
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Summary
Kim Iverson is the co-host of The Hills Rising, a popular bipartisan show on the internet. She has devoted herself to rejecting the narratives and actually looking for truth. But she did something much worse. She questioned the motives of Klaus Schwab and the World Economic Forum after watching a segment I did with Tucker Carlson. While she called me a bit loony, she admitted there was something fishy about the global elite s ominous plan for a kind of new world order. Something that Joe Biden called for this week.
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So here's the thing about corporate media in 2022.
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You're fine as long as you stick to the script.
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But if you start to explore outside of that script, you're in for trouble, real trouble.
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And today's guest has learned that she's the co-host of the Hills Rising.
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It's a popular bipartisan show on the Internet.
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She has devoted herself to rejecting the narratives and actually looking for truth.
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She questioned the motives of Klaus Schwab and the World Economic Forum after watching a segment I did with Tucker Carlson.
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While she called me a bit loony, she admitted there's something fishy about the global elite's ominous plan for a kind of a new world order.
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And that new world order destroys free market capitalism and replaces it with something called stakeholder capitalism.
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Her opposition to the narrative is that the Great Reset is just a crazy Glenn Beck conspiracy theory.
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It didn't sit well with the people who script the narratives.
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Then she made things worse by forming a unique opinion about the covid vaccine.
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And as if that wasn't enough, she questioned the narrative about Russia and Ukraine in 2020.
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She's also had videos removed from Instagram and YouTube because she had the gall to question the covid narrative and air clips of Donald Trump.
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Now she says, I'm definitely not a progressive, but I don't know what I am.
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um and i want to get to your backstory a little later but right now let's just start with ukraine
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um if i can quote you uh you argued i don't have the exact quote here um that this this ukrainian
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war is a way for biden to distract from his dumpster fire of a presidency and that biden
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is mentally grooming us for war tell me about that well yeah i mean it kind of seems like um
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you know obviously we should not be going into a war with russia maybe there's people that actually
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think we should but to me it just seems like an obvious insanity right um but really with
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just this kind of we're now even hearing even lately they're going to use chemical weapons
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and so therefore we must what rush in and save them save the people um so we are we're of course
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no one's going to rush into war directly they always have to do a grooming process because
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people are very hesitant to go into a war so they have to set the stage and that takes time
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and that time is uh you start off with here's a brutal dictator and then it kind of morphs into now
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they're they're committing atrocities you know they've invaded and then of course now we hear
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genocide being thrown out that's another big word that people use in order to get
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the that that triggers an emotion that makes people want to go to war so can i because the
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one thing that i like to do is um engage in conversation where there's nuance but there
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is no nuance in america anymore it's either it's either ukraine is the greatest most pristine state
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ever they're all angels and putin is evil or putin is great and these guys are all nazis
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neither of those are true right we know who putin is can you how would you describe not talking about
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the war but how would you describe putin well he's obviously strong and he cares a lot about his
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people i know that people don't really like to hear good things about putin so i'm sure i'll be
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labeled a putin puppet but um the the bottom line is people in russia like him they like him a lot the
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vast majority of them actually do um but how would you looking at him and his history
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who is he i you know for me i don't i try not to make any judgments on leaders because i think once
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you make a judgment and it's negative it it uh is rhetoric for warfare so i try not to okay so so let
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me so let me ask you because i know you're very anti-war is that generally or because i'm with you
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on the same we're on the same page i'm not trying to get you here we're on the same page on the war
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i'm just trying to understand how you're getting there are you anti-war at any cost or just anti this
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war i'm not anti all wars okay some wars we would have to fight i mean i certainly i think we should
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defend our country if our country were at risk we just haven't really been that at risk i mean
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we're very isolated over here and we're we're seemingly fighting all kinds of wars that are
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ridiculous we shouldn't be we shouldn't be there and they're making us less safe actually in a lot
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of cases so uh no i i absolutely believe we should be fighting wars that would protect us if we have to
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defend ourselves also of course if there is a real true atrocity like the holocaust going on in germany
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again then yeah i do think that there would be some it amazes me we are quick to run to um to the
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help of ukraine uh and yet and and we use these moral uh reasons and yet we don't do anything about
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the genocide in china that we know about we know what's happening to the uyghurs nobody's talking
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about that nobody's rushing into war on that we've made a calculation no way to win that right i don't
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understand how you win a war against putin so but when you say putin you know you don't want to judge
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he's a killer right i mean yeah i'm sure yes absolutely he is a killer yes he's a killer right he's a killer
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um i think many leaders around the world are also killers so it's difficult to unfortunately and we
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shouldn't be killers people shouldn't be killers but we've got many in our american government who
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are also killers so i don't know you know him individually as a kgb agent i would assume he
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killed people um i but so you know so that would be of course my assumption that he personally did
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yeah and he's he's ordered the deaths of a lot of people um all right ukraine you've done a lot of
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work on ukraine yeah this another thing you can't be subtle on um ukraine is wildly corrupt uh the
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the bidens were there uh along with hillary clinton and george soros and everybody else and they just
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raped that country um and it's known for its corruption but we can't say that well i mean we
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can we just get it and i do i mean i mention it all the time that ukraine is a very corrupt country
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it's known as one of the most corrupt countries um their government you know in 2014 we kind of rushed
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in um staged a coup toppled the government and it was what we transferred them from one um one oligarch
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to another oligarch right run by russians or run by the west either way it's a corrupt country
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zelensky had i believe prior to this like a 22 approval rating i mean something extremely low the
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people do not trust their government in ukraine no reason to when they were talking about vaccine
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hesitancy right this is a big topic around the world for a while and they would point at ukraine
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and say why are they not getting the vaccine and then they would discover well it's because they
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don't trust their government so these are this is a group of people that are they've just been
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ping-ponged back and forth between different oligarchs they don't really have a true democracy
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it's a faux democracy um their government siphons away the money and puts it in their own piggy banks
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so they're not so of course when this war broke out when russia invaded there is a sort of rhetoric
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going on that oh these ukrainians are picking up arms they're fighting for their country not
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necessarily true they were conscripted back in they were trying to leave the country many of them
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many of them have fled the country as we've seen uh the numbers are if they're accurate enormous i
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don't know if we've seen that many flee a country during wartime to i think what is it they're saying
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a fifth or a fourth of the country has left i mean that's that's a lot of people however you will
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because in the all the wars that we've fought in the last 20 years i've said every time you'll know
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if there is going to be if this country is going to get freedom or not because they're you can't get
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we always keep coming to these countries and we're like we're gonna give them democracy and freedom
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please have we ever done that have we ever done that yeah i think we did in japan um and somewhat
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germany but our footprint is it remains there um but uh not lately and it's because i think you can't
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hand freedom you have to earn freedom and i've said in the last few wars look for the person that
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can be on the stamp if there's a person that does heroic things and is standing for their country if
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there's somebody that can be on the stamp of a new free country they're going to have freedom and you
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do have a lot of those people i think i you know i think it's really weird i'd love to hear your thought
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on this ukraine russia i think this is a very convenient war let's put it that way just a very
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convenient war for everybody involved except the people i think brexit the ukrainian people who are
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fighting for their country they're not necessarily fighting for what the government wants they're not
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fighting for a new world order they're not fighting they're just fighting leave me alone i just want
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my life same thing with brexit same thing with the yellow vests same thing with the people who protest
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in russia leave me alone same thing with the canadian truckers there is this sense in the world that we're
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getting screwed by the elites everybody's government is doing something and it's all corrupt and it's
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all interconnected it's all global and people are saying i don't want any of that do you agree with
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that yeah absolutely i mean people want to be left alone fundamentally people just don't want their
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government directing them telling them what to do especially when it's things against their wishes
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they don't want to have to fight for a corrupt government i do agree with you that there are
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many ukrainians who of course are fighting for their own independence of some sort but i think a lot of
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them don't even know what that even would be they don't have it they haven't had it how many how
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the last 10 years of the war in iraq and everything else i talked to soldiers and they were like i don't
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even know what i'm fighting for i mean that that is the sad truth in in world war ii we were pretty
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clear what we were fighting i don't know if anybody if if this thing goes awry if russia and ukraine if
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this thing spreads for any reason this is going to be the most avoidable war in my life because i don't
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know a single person outside of those getting bombed in ukraine that are saying yeah let's bring more in
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let's go yeah yeah i mean this was a i think i do think it's still very solvable it's only been
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going on for how many days now 20 something um so it certainly could be solved even now i think that
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well they get to the table and they could actually negotiate i mean putin hasn't actually changed his
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demands from the beginning of this he said there are certain things you must do in order for me to
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not take this step and for one russia's been saying this to us for 30 years longer than 30 years
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they've said don't put nato up to my doorstep that's what i'm asking for so that's one of the
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things they could have done early on the president could have just said there's no even discussions on
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nato fine they're not going to be in nato we're not even talking about nato yeah that could have
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been done yeah and ukraine put it in their constitution that they were going to be seeking
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to go towards nato so putin's demand is that they change their constitution to take that out
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and there have been a few other demands that are actually you know fairly reasonable we might not
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totally you might not totally agree with them might be a bit of a teeth pull but at the end of
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the day it's better than people being massacred and that's what's going on right now so i mean if
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you're going to take a pick between crimea just being declared russian or all of these people having
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to flee their home or being bombed and running from being shelled okay just say crimea belongs to
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russia it's not that difficult to actually do i think if they would have taken the crimea in this
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than the southeastern territories i think if he would have stopped there i think he could have
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gotten gotten it just leave it there you know occupy there and i think people would have said
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let's end this he went on for some reason um i don't know if he expected the ukrainians to fight back
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or if the russians are suddenly just that bad at war what happened well it's difficult to know
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because i think that right now the narratives that are coming out of both sides are impossible to
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believe so it's war everything's this is a war also of propaganda i'm not sure what to believe right
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now i don't know how poorly the russians are fighting i hear it but i also hear from the russian
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side that they're doing great and that the ukrainians are the ones that are that are uh you know that
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because they have civilian fighters and so it's i'm not sure what to believe i'm not what i do know
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coming from the russian side is they've never proclaimed that they were going to be taking
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ukraine so from their perspective of what they were what they're claiming the war is and what's going on
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it it does actually still correlate they've claimed that what they're there to do is to demilitarize
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ukraine to blow up weapons while we keep sending weapons in so they've got more to continue blowing up
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but they've never actually asserted that they were taking any of the ukrainian regions except
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donbass which is a larger region than what these what the the rebels had been um occupying for the
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last eight years they've controlled this region and the actual donbass region is about three times
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larger than the area including maripol so they have they've been attempting to take maripol so they've
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actually remained from the russian side of things from their narrative it is consistent with what
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they've claimed this entire time on the west the western side has said oh no uh their goal is to
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take ukraine so when you look at it from the west perspective they're failing because they're not
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taking ukraine so i don't know what to believe maybe it is i mean look i didn't think russia was
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even going to actually invade i didn't believe that and they did i have to tell you i think i think
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i i don't think he was planning on it either i think it was a bluff and trying to get some you know
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negotiating bluff and i think our president actually gave him permission to do it i think
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joe biden by saying he's going to do it he's going to do it look what he's going to do he's
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going to do it well if he just goes in and it's limited then we might not do anything about it but
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i'm telling you he's going to do it in fact he's going to do it on on wednesday about 4 30 in the
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afternoon i don't know the last time our intelligence was good calling anything correctly
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they almost called it to the hour on this i don't know but it just it doesn't seem like um
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this was the original plan i agree with you that this is a war of convenience for a lot of players
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involved except for the ukrainian people yes uh another player that i think this is very convenient
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for is china and i do think that russia and china actually uh they issued a statement february 4th so
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i actually think russia got more of permission from china oh yeah to go ahead and invade ukraine
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yeah um and it of course works on behalf of the west as well we had a failing economy
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our inflation's through the roof they're now trying to blame it on russia as if we're going to have
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amnesia about the last several months of inflation going from transitory to suddenly it's not quite
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transitory to suddenly we should have a new digital dollar right i mean wait we're two weeks into this
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and you sign a executive order that says we should study this we already know you've already studied
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it it's called the hamilton um but we should study this and then maybe within seven months we should
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have legislation on it why the big panic all of a sudden certainly not because of russia but they're
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getting a lot of the of the american people to believe that this is all putin's fault that our
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economy now collapsing is putin's fault um and which is very convenient very convenient so it's
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convenient for the west to be egging this war on the longer it goes we don't have to actually place
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blame for the economic problems where they actually belong which is probably uh in my opinion the lack
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of actually addressing the the collapse in 2008 and and thank you going into a different you know
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using new policies to try to correct it going in and as george bush said violating the free market
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to save the free market yeah we all knew that was a bad idea we all knew that was a bad idea and we
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sent a message to the world in 08 we're just going to print enough enough money we'll take care of
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ourselves good luck that's when if i had my money in dollars and i was a foreign country i would go
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wait i don't think this is going to work out real well for us by 2014 crimea russia they're starting
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to make a deal with china to get out of the dollar they've been collecting gold which i don't think
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i don't even think i don't even think anybody in the white house even would think about a gold chain
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you know around their neck nothing right um and they're positioned to destroy us they are and they're
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actively doing it and we're actively ignoring it so you know again just kind of blaming it on places
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where it doesn't need to be blamed and and what is actually happening and you're right i mean since
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2014 russia and china were trading mostly in dollars and then they moved away from that it went from 90
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something percent being traded in dollars to eight years later only 30 something percent being traded in
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dollars so they had planned this out they knew that this was the move they were going to make
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that they needed to to break up american hegemony to get away from the dollar being the world currency
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and they've actively done it now russia what have they said to europe you have to pay for gas and
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rubles and same with india says okay you know we'll we'll start trading in rubles and rupees uh
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that's what's going on with china as well so saudi arabia is thinking about selling it um you know then
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then the russians are openly courting mexico brazil argentina i mean there's a real coalition that could
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be formed um to get off of the dollar uh and that that would crush america but beyond that
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if this block if we go into a cold war i didn't need any stacking dolls the last cold war you know
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what i mean what are you buying vodka from russia there was nothing we wanted now uh yeah if you have
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saudi arabia you have the whole block from saudi arabia all the way to china we the prices of
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everything go through the roof yeah and they control us and the american lifestyle as we know it gone
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gone yeah unfortunately i don't i i that is what is happening and i don't know how we stop it i think
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unfortunately this is karma and it's just coming back uh all of the policies that we've implemented
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uh sanctioning countries harming countries one out of 10 countries one out of every 10 countries are
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being sanctioned by the united states of america and then prior to sanctions that was kind of the new
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war tool that had been implemented a couple of decades ago but uh prior to that it was coups
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color revolutions right we have toppled how many governments around the world
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and and while we're doing i mean america i mean we've always we've always had corruption i mean
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go andrew jackson what a nightmare he was uh so we've always had corruption and and duplicity um
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because it's a human trait but i think america has tried for good portion uh of our of our history
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tried to do the right thing or at least the people thought we were trying to do the right thing
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and it has been really ever since uh teddy roosevelt and the progressive era this idea of
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of spreading democracy and spreading all these things doesn't work and especially if we're saying
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we're spreading that and we won't torture but we'll fly you on a ghost plane to egypt my gosh
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the duplicity of course i would hate us if i was in that country and now we're like we don't torture
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we're the good guys and i know that my government is torturing people in the basement for america
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there's no way to survive that you don't stand for anything well and i think that's unfortunately
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what's happening to us is that we've made so many enemies around the world they pretended to be our
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friends they smiled to our faces because they had to because we forced them to and now they don't
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have to now they're saying that there is this new sort of uh group forming and they're all world order
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yep both sides are saying it yep and and they are forming and they're saying we're fed up with you
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guys you guys have abused your power you had great power and you abused it and that is that is what
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happened um i do believe i agree with you that the american people believed that we were doing the
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right thing by going around the world and even now i there's plenty of americans who believe we should
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be going to war with russia because we have to liberate the russian people liberate a russian people
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that don't need to be they don't want to be liberated they like their leadership they like the way their
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country's going for them their country has been going in the right direction they've actually
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increased their life their uh their standard of living has gone up so for them they're happy
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um could things be better yes do they not they definitely don't have things like freedom of
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speech but they're happy in the last two years i think we've learned an awful lot of things uh one
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you know when the wall fell they looked at our culture and thought i want some of that well
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they have all those stores they have mcdonald's they have all or they did yeah they had all of
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those things um there's not a big outcry for for that western culture because that western culture
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has become so corrosive i mean if i were watching this culture from any place in the world i would
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be like don't bring that crap here man don't bring that here i think the russians really i think russian
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people love americans and they love american culture um from the from the people that i've
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spoken to are russian and one of my good friends is russian um and lives there and they definitely
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love american culture american movies american things sure but when i've asked her how are things
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going right now with all of these luxury brands pulling out now mcdonald's pulling out and she says
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you know we were all depressed at first and we're all pretty sad and everybody's pretty nervous and
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that was kind of the sentiment along you know amongst the people that she was speaking to
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but she says but now we're kind of moving on and we're getting over it and we're realizing that
00:26:19.180
we're going to get other luxury goods so maybe they're not going to get western american uh or
00:26:23.740
european luxury goods like gucci and louis vuitton but they're going to get chinese luxury goods they're
00:26:29.680
going to start importing into the country and i know americans kind of have this idea of china as this
00:26:33.840
poor country um with crap goods right but no if you really look at china and especially their
00:26:40.540
billionaire class they have luxury goods and it's not all western luxury goods a lot of it is coming
00:26:46.120
in from singapore from they're they're making it themselves you know they've they've got nice things
00:26:52.500
and they're now they even even the west rolls royce bentley they will make cars just for the chinese
00:27:02.340
market that are above and beyond what the west gets you know they the some of these luxury brands go
00:27:09.500
over the top for the middle east and for china i mean the chinese are not what everybody well and
00:27:17.940
the way they did those deals you know with those companies as they would say you can bring your
00:27:21.740
company into the country but you have to we're going to partner you with a chinese company correct
00:27:26.100
and they're going to then manufacture a chinese version of your product so they know how to make all
00:27:30.640
that stuff now so um let's we've talked about the demise of how this benefits china russia and they
00:27:41.020
will cobble together let's make one quick stop on on something that i don't hear people talk about
00:27:48.720
if that becomes a cold war what what happens do we do we not get those products and what does that mean
00:28:01.200
to the west uh i mean hopefully we don't reel into a cold war i think that probably if i mean but i've
00:28:11.100
been wrong on a lot of this stuff as far as trying to predict what's going to happen but i because i you
00:28:16.680
know especially with the pandemic stuff i was so wrong on a lot of the predictions of what people
00:28:19.920
would end up doing because i thought people would just see common sense yeah and that they would
00:28:23.920
then follow common sense but that's not happening in a lot of cases so common sense would be that we
00:28:28.900
don't go into a cold war that we realize this is just bad for the america right for everybody for
00:28:33.960
the west for the american people in particular if the rest of the world turns their back on us
00:28:38.660
and uh because really the west is you know we've obviously become way more dependent on
00:28:44.440
a manufacturing uh class that has been rising out of asia and and that's and and i my prediction is
00:28:52.260
that china's been trying to move that into africa knowing that they're also going to transition out
00:28:56.340
of it so they're putting a lot of their investment into africa trying to build up africa so africa is
00:29:01.000
also very friendly towards the east and not towards the west um so if we were though in the worst
00:29:07.500
scenario to go into a cold war then it would be very very bad for the west i mean i don't we would
00:29:12.780
um uh we would have to try to reinvigorate some sort of manufacturing class here in the united states
00:29:18.580
and i don't know how we do that what does that take and cost and this is why i ask um because the
00:29:25.300
the next part of this is um russia china they expected this i think this is just a great excuse
00:29:32.760
for them to execute what they wanted to execute um and i don't know if it sped up their timetable or
00:29:38.920
not but it's a good it's real and they can use it okay the same thing with a great reset um we knew
00:29:48.080
our financial system was out of control we knew inflation was you cannot convince me that we can
00:29:56.700
print as much money as we have and no one said anything but oh it'll have a little inflation but it'll be
00:30:04.720
transitory no way they're not that stupid and if they are they should go away we'll put them on the
00:30:11.120
island of misfit toys because they are not smart enough to figure things out so i don't think anybody
00:30:16.100
believed that um probably starting 2010 uh somebody had to say this is not gonna work out
00:30:25.700
what are we going to do and that's where we get the great reset uh digital currency coming our way
00:30:33.280
we're taking advantage this is why i think we were speeding things up because we need cover you need
00:30:42.880
a reason war gives you a reason to change everything and nobody really cares in the end because you just
00:30:48.760
want the war to stop you just want some normalcy um and i think we sped it up for the great
00:30:55.440
reset very possible i mean i also think that the great reset isn't just about how the economy was
00:31:01.120
looking and maybe some of the the ways that they tried to fix what happened after 2008 um but also
00:31:07.760
just probably foresight knowing that there's going to be this what you know klaus schwab calls the the
00:31:13.560
fourth industrial the fourth revolution the fourth industrial revolution which is going towards
00:31:17.280
automation so i think they knew and a lot of people have known we're going towards that yeah yeah i
00:31:22.180
i i i see this as the governments run like it's 1950 um the banks are running like there's no tomorrow
00:31:32.300
um the only ones that really see tomorrow and the devastation that is coming just because of the
00:31:40.520
industrial revolution a hundred year period being squeezed into a 10-year period the upheaval
00:31:46.560
there and the media out they all need each other and so they're all kind of colluding with each
00:31:54.920
other one way or another because i'll watch your back now you watch my back later um i think that's
00:32:01.120
the that whole thing everyone knew they're going to come with pitchforks and torches for me
00:32:08.280
yeah and that's exactly what i think the great reset is really about
00:32:12.220
is um you know the more i've studied it and really klaus schwab and his teachings and books that
00:32:17.980
he's been putting out there for a while now because a lot of people say oh the great reset but that's
00:32:21.160
just the name of a conference that just happened in 2020 that's that's you know that's that's like
00:32:25.840
no okay they might have put a name on it in 2020 but they've been having these ideas and putting the
00:32:30.460
ideas out there for a long time uh and and putting them into the beginning stages back in the paris
00:32:37.540
treaty the peace or the uh the climate cords that's what that was really about was the financial side
00:32:44.320
of yeah bsg yeah so i i do think that they see automation coming and they are trying to figure out
00:32:52.220
a way to make it benefit a certain group of people over the rest and and also keep him in
00:33:01.080
on a short leash so they don't rise up right and and revolt we're really not i mean you know human
00:33:07.680
nature hasn't changed as much as we would love to think that we've evolved out of the time of
00:33:13.120
monarchies we really haven't no we've just we renamed them you know they went from monarchs to
00:33:18.760
presidents and uh and then now they're really ceos right and now it's that monetary the the money
00:33:26.820
class you've got jeff bezos running amazon and how much of the world could he possibly be running
00:33:31.820
right and and they're able to do that through these changes that they're making especially the
00:33:37.520
thing that really frightens me the most is the social credit system and that is what you know
00:33:42.600
they don't want to call it that whatever they want to call it it doesn't matter and that's the
00:33:45.920
thing people get so hung up on the terms and it's just the implementation we're already seeing it we
00:33:49.980
saw it with covid we saw it with the passports that you would have to show to show that you're a good
00:33:53.800
moral person we're seeing it with russia that is esg whichever one of those letters you want to use
00:34:04.240
that's when mcdonald's says we don't want to pull out we'll lose everything oh uh i guess we've
00:34:11.000
discovered we have a real reputational risk we're going to close all our restaurants that is all that
00:34:16.780
is the system of esg saying you will toe the line this hasn't happened before like this never
00:34:23.660
never and it wouldn't happen if there wasn't massive pressure right and that's what to me
00:34:30.140
is the most frightening going forward and that's what i would like to try to figure out how we
00:34:33.240
control is this you know how do we prevent this um sort of moral society that you have to live in
00:34:40.440
that is based on their morals that they want us to adhere to and they will then prevent us from
00:34:47.760
you know and it sounds crazy i know people think oh no that just sounds that's that's conspiratorial
00:34:52.280
it sounds like a conspiracy theory it's not a conspiracy theory they're already implementing
00:34:56.380
it's conspiracy fact it is unfortunately so we have to figure out a way to stop them from
00:35:02.760
preventing us from getting loans because we don't fit their their the scoring system the esg scoring
00:35:10.140
system uh or like in speaking of russia during the pandemic you know they did they implemented
00:35:16.600
a program where you had a qr code and if you were not working in an essential service they knew based
00:35:25.200
on your qr code and they wouldn't let you on the subway your qr code wouldn't work to go where you
00:35:30.400
wanted to go and so there's this future that people are worried about happening and hey you know at this
00:35:35.980
point i believe everything when it comes to this stuff i'm like okay anything that they say is going
00:35:40.200
to happen in the future it's probably going to happen because during the pandemic people were saying
00:35:43.760
they're going to implement mandates and i said there's no way we're americans there's no way
00:35:48.220
americans are going to give up their freedom people who say to me that'll never happen could i make you
00:35:53.460
a list of the things that you have said in the last 10 years would never happen that have happened
00:35:58.860
a game show host on nbc who was tweeting all kinds of crazy things was our president yeah was our
00:36:08.180
president now we have a guy who doesn't there there's the mental engagement for the president
00:36:15.840
of the united states is terrifying but more terrifying is him dying in office and having kamala harris
00:36:24.120
who's a moron tell me tell me what what's out of bounds now well and and then uh speaking of you
00:36:33.720
game show hosts and comedians you've got one running ukraine also i know situation so what's weird
00:36:38.960
is that was one of the oligarch the guy who financed him was one of the oligarchs that uh was a co-owner
00:36:48.980
of barisma the same company that joe biden's son would i mean this is i've never felt all the world is but
00:36:58.440
a stage until recently it is like we are just chess players and they are just they're just moving us
00:37:08.040
around the board and we think it's real we're watching a show that's the way it feels yeah yeah and
00:37:15.500
it's very frightening i mean we're we're moving into an era where they will judge us based on our
00:37:19.980
behaviors judge us based on what we purchase uh judge us based on how do you how do you get people
00:37:26.480
to believe that i mean there are i'm meeting with legislatures all over the country and some states
00:37:33.000
about 20 of them that are working on anti-esg legislation which i think is fantastic but
00:37:39.400
not only is the left against it and the big banks are coming out with lobbyists like crazy
00:37:47.080
but you have a lot of republicans who are like oh that's a free market you got to let companies do
00:37:53.180
what they're gonna do you know this is that's a conspiracy theory they'll never force companies
00:37:58.340
i just got a piece of audio and video from the new york times in 2017 of fink at uh blackrock
00:38:09.440
saying you know what you just have to coerce them you're just going to have to do it that's what we're
00:38:15.600
doing at blackrock you are going to do it and they say it's a conspiracy theory it would never happen
00:38:22.660
how do you convince people i mean just showing them time after time that these little things are
00:38:30.160
actually happening you know i mean i but i think that the mandates and the passports was step one
00:38:38.240
right people then started to say wait a minute i really didn't think we're going to do that a lot
00:38:41.980
of people when others were saying oh they're going to make passports they're going to do mandates it
00:38:45.320
was oh you're a conspiracy theorist why would you even think that you're crazy just get the jab
00:38:49.860
and then suddenly we saw that they actually did roll out these mandates and passports so i think
00:38:54.440
we can maybe point to that and say it's happened before and look at china they're implementing their
00:38:59.620
social credit system in certain regions of china testing it out to see how well it works
00:39:03.560
we do know that i mean we're seeing it all the time with companies it's who are they giving their
00:39:09.600
services to and if you don't like the person they're giving services to then the company itself
00:39:13.480
needs to be boycotted so the company then what do they do they drop those people even services like
00:39:18.520
paypal they're not allowing certain people to make transactions or go fund me with the trucker
00:39:23.080
convoy i mean that was ridiculous to drop a fundraiser and to say well we just don't agree with it
00:39:29.920
it's against our community guidelines or against our policies they went beyond that they said this
00:39:35.200
was violence i mean i saw the most incredible video from cnn i'm in an airport and i'm watching
00:39:41.200
it and the person on the street is standing there it's completely quiet there's no one on the streets
00:39:47.940
the trucks are there but the guys are inside it's cold and they actually said uh it might look very
00:39:56.520
peaceful here but i was expecting them to say but it's mostly violent the exact opposite i mean i was
00:40:05.180
watching cities burn down and they're like it may look like this but it's mostly peaceful
00:40:10.060
they said but it's very tense here and there's a lot of problems you're being asked to deny what you
00:40:18.400
see yeah yeah it's bizarre it's really bizarre really bizarre so um what you have been um
00:40:27.660
i mean you've been uh censored and you've you've been uh banned and i think the most recent one is the
00:40:37.420
most recent one the trump one or is the most recent one um ivermectin yeah it was ivermectin
00:40:45.180
ivermectin yeah well it was what so i do a show for the hill and the hill got censored for airing raw
00:40:51.820
footage from cpac and they did it two years in a row because it's a news organization and they feel like
00:40:56.840
cpac is newsworthy and there was no commentary whatsoever on the footage it was just raw footage
00:41:02.340
from cpac that got them warnings and then the show i wasn't actually on the on this particular segment
00:41:08.160
um but the they were actually discussing trump's comments about putin and airing a clip of him
00:41:15.780
talking to laura ingram and of course trump then has his knee-jerk reaction of the things he all
00:41:21.260
the claims he always makes and says it um just it just kind of comes out of his mouth like naturally
00:41:27.960
it's just right it's just it's just what he says and it had nothing to do with the conversation with
00:41:33.180
laura ingram and it had nothing to do with what then the show rising actually discussed afterwards
00:41:37.440
they were talking specifically about ukraine and putin but because those words came out of his mouth
00:41:41.500
you know when he talks about the election um and he just throws in one word and that's it
00:41:45.400
the the channel was then censored for and hindered from uploading for an entire week so because what
00:41:54.360
youtube claimed was that somebody basically needed to say right away that is false that's misinformation
00:42:00.280
somebody needed to put the disclaimer immediately from somebody else's words the former president of
00:42:07.280
the united states by the way but when when when did we i i just i do you ever feel like you're just
00:42:14.440
and you're like it is it just me i mean i've never i've done this for 45 years i've never seen
00:42:22.720
any of this right ever i had boundaries because i've always been on radio with the fcc this is worse
00:42:29.880
than the fcc oh no this is this is this is uh you know when um i'm a big fan of dietrich bonhoeffer
00:42:38.060
and dietrich bonhoeffer was giving a radio he did a radio show and he was doing a series on the
00:42:46.020
fuhrer principle and how that does not fit with our constitution the day he was doing the last
00:42:53.660
segment on the fuhrer principle when hitler was made the fuhrer guess whose broadcast was immediately
00:43:00.840
shut off at the same time just he's fuhrer off that's the kind of stuff that we're dealing with
00:43:07.580
here this is not a free society there's no diversity of anything but what do we do about
00:43:14.680
that so what's interesting is what you've mentioned is that you've got republicans
00:43:18.160
on their side of the aisle saying well it's a free market it's a free it's a private company
00:43:23.540
youtube can do whatever they want google can do whatever they want amazon can do whatever they want
00:43:27.940
right when they want to kick off parlor from their their services they're allowed to do that
00:43:32.040
they're they're a private company so the question is um you know obviously the left is ignoring it
00:43:37.800
and they're saying well good you should be censored you're not saying the right things anyway but then
00:43:41.920
on the right you're having people that say you know like rand paul i love the guy speaks up against
00:43:46.960
big tech censorship all the time but then when you ask them what do you want to do about it free market
00:43:51.140
it's not the free market that that's where everybody goes wrong the free market the government
00:43:57.080
is supposed to make sure everything is level they're only there as a judge that's it what's
00:44:05.240
your complaint they're doing what uh okay you're right stop it okay that's all they're supposed to do
00:44:12.700
now they are in a public private partnership so now that partnership is advantageous for them
00:44:21.200
to help and advantageous for the government to help them that's not the free market at all it get
00:44:29.920
the government out of everyone's business period then you'll have a free market you'll still have
00:44:37.860
i mean in this case we have you know the same kind of thing that was happening in the you know
00:44:44.500
1880s where you had this sudden growth of capitalism so you have the carnegie melons and
00:44:52.260
all of these all of these big industrialists that's what these guys are and it's just because
00:44:59.020
they cornered the market quickly right now how do you stop them from controlling the whole world
00:45:08.420
that's the problem and they're doing it because the government is in bed with them right and making
00:45:13.840
special exceptions for them yeah we have to get money out of the government for one i think it's
00:45:18.300
i think it's less the government involved in these companies it's more the companies involved in the
00:45:22.100
government the companies have been able to buy off the government so they're then controlling the
00:45:26.700
government i think it's a two-way i mean i just think it's the mutually beneficial for both right
00:45:31.520
but i do think that the companies are acting on behest of the government in some ways because the
00:45:35.400
government is saying to them censor or else right which to me is an absolute violation of the first
00:45:40.360
amendment i don't know why this isn't being taken up in courts that seems to me that if the government
00:45:44.580
is pressuring you to censor people that is government involvement and censoring so that would be a
00:45:51.460
violation of the first amendment i'm not understanding why that isn't being brought up
00:45:54.340
um but i you know i i do think that we need regulation so i don't think the government should totally
00:45:59.240
get out of everything no getting out of the business regulation is different look what's
00:46:07.280
happening what are you doing yeah what are you doing well they're dumping this into the river
00:46:11.720
no stop that you know what i mean but there's no this lobbyist system came in in world war one
00:46:20.480
with uh woodrow wilson yeah and it became a machine these lobbyists stop it stop it and it kills me
00:46:29.320
because the left used to be against all of this stuff the left the left so many things that the left
00:46:36.960
said was going to happen that i pooh-poohed i'm now like oh my gosh they were right but they're part of
00:46:44.240
it they're they're supporting it when you look at disney wasn't it wasn't it the left who said
00:46:52.380
corporations are not people and so should stay out of government yeah i don't know what's happened to
00:47:00.320
the left anymore i mean i come from the left right i've always been more of i've always been a leftist
00:47:04.220
and a liberal so a leftist or a liberal i don't yeah the language i don't know because i don't know
00:47:10.520
what anything means anymore they've changed the definitions on me so many times i have no idea what
00:47:14.620
i am am i a progressive anymore i don't know i mean i've always labeled myself as a progressive
00:47:18.600
since bernie sanders i was a sanders supporter but i don't now i feel like the progressives i don't
00:47:24.120
identify with almost anything they say anymore so i don't know because the progressives progressives
00:47:30.080
if you know the history progressives started as communists and they didn't want a revolution
00:47:36.760
but this is the this is before communism was really showed how evil it was they were fine
00:47:42.940
with communism or fascism because it was scientific it was all the great minds getting together and
00:47:48.180
doing it once it was shown for its results they should have got off that bandwagon but they moved
00:47:55.120
with woodward wilson to doing a lot of the stuff that they're doing now spying on people arresting
00:48:02.640
people stifling their freedom of speech and uh it scared people so much that progressives stopped for
00:48:11.340
10 years during the roaring 20s fdr relabeled progressive liberal liberal used to mean i am with
00:48:20.440
the bill of rights i believe in everyone's right to be free he took that seat away and so we only had
00:48:29.400
liberals or conservatives but the infection of progressivism started in the republican party
00:48:35.900
that's why we keep voting for these two clowns and we're like nothing changes you're doing the same
00:48:41.100
thing that guy was doing yeah because it's it's a different philosophy right what are you progressing
00:48:46.920
to not anything good well right now i agree i don't think that they're standing for things that i would
00:48:53.120
consider good in a lot of ways um and so i don't you know yeah with the labeling i don't even really
00:48:58.300
know anymore what i am i i now just say i'm an independent a free thinker i mean because i don't
00:49:03.740
fit into any category but i do think that we you know i'm not with the libertarian group of course that
00:49:10.180
doesn't want any government involvement or regulation at all i do think we need regulation i think it's
00:49:14.480
like a sports game you know what what good is a basketball game if there isn't some rule that the
00:49:19.200
players have to adhere to same with football right i like watching sports because there's an actual
00:49:23.420
game to be played and there's an actual you know set of rules that the players have to adhere to
00:49:28.020
so i i do think we need rules and regulations but then i i definitely want freedom and i think that
00:49:34.560
those rules and regulations should give us the ability to play the game of life as best as we
00:49:41.300
possibly can and compete with one another within bounds that are fair for everybody to agree with
00:49:48.240
the bill of rights yes have you read them lately no i have not read them lately read them read them
00:49:55.140
again okay and see because i think that's what separates we are on both sides i've had huge
00:50:02.840
conservatives say to me glenn we all love the constitution but there are things we have to do
00:50:08.000
no no no they're not not if they violate the bill of rights no we're not spying on people we're not
00:50:15.980
arresting people without charge we're not holding them no matter how bad they are we're not holding
00:50:21.720
them without a trial for a year you know we're violating everything all of the bill of rights that
00:50:29.680
used to be the thing we came together on and if we don't start looking at the principles that got us
00:50:39.080
here in a good way uh and thinking about reviving those we're not we're not going to have any
00:50:45.960
anything left because i think we are we're at a point where there's a generation that says
00:50:51.340
nothing about america is good yeah we are at that point unfortunately and they're you know i worry
00:50:57.900
about my future when i'm older and they're the ones actually running the government but i think a lot of
00:51:02.260
this a lot of the reason why we're marching in the direction that we are is because companies are
00:51:06.640
greedy fundamentally they're for the bottom line they're for profits and i think what what they saw
00:51:10.960
was that china wasn't letting them into their market if they weren't willing to censor we saw that
00:51:15.780
with facebook with google right they were told i think it was in 2013 you guys can't come in because
00:51:21.120
you're not willing to censor and they would say well uh what we can't censor because we're american and
00:51:25.820
we have american values and now what we're seeing is those companies say well maybe we can actually
00:51:32.160
fudge this a little bit in order to get into the china market so um i do think that a lot of this is
00:51:38.940
to we are sort of morphing into a more um into the china way of running their country and i think
00:51:47.360
except against china it's weird while being against china yeah so there's so there's a lot of uh demonizing
00:51:54.500
of china and and to me so when it comes to like the uyghurs for example i don't agree that there's
00:51:59.020
actually a genocide going on there yeah i don't agree with that i think that that's rhetoric that has
00:52:03.560
been amped up i do think that china was i don't think what they're doing is right i think it's
00:52:09.060
wrong i think it's against human rights i think it's a violation you are i don't go to genocide on
00:52:14.540
it though you know cultural no actual puzzlement boy you are hard to figure out but i do but that
00:52:22.020
being said i do are they in concentration camps uh they or re-education camps they were there was
00:52:27.780
there was a largely they've been shut down and ap actually did an entire expos they were they went to
00:52:32.040
the country they toured around and they found that most of them had already been shut down yeah i do
00:52:36.000
think what china was doing was um they were trying to eradicate a certain islamic ideology out of
00:52:42.860
their population that they largely allowed in and actually um they actually nurtured it to get it to
00:52:51.380
grow in order to counter the soviets it's kind of what we did in afghanistan with the muja hadim what
00:52:55.940
we've really we've asked saudi arabia to do a lot of this for us is to kind of spread this more
00:53:00.600
radical wahhabist uh ideology around china did the same thing they did it inside of their own
00:53:06.160
population and that and then the rooster came home to roost and it wasn't so good um when all these
00:53:10.560
fighters were leaving syria when they were leaving iraq they came home and a lot of that was to china
00:53:16.220
because they have a large muslim population there um and they didn't know what to do with the ideology
00:53:22.900
and these people coming back and they are chinese they have to come home they have to repatriate
00:53:27.820
so they did put them in camps what what i found offensive to it was that they were rounding up
00:53:34.940
families of people even those that did not go off to fight it's one thing to take the fighters and to
00:53:40.900
put them in jail for fighting in these foreign wars right on behalf of al-qaeda but it's another
00:53:46.840
thing to take their children to take their family members and to say because you're related to that
00:53:50.940
person you're now going to be put into this camp and we're going to de-radicalize you because we think
00:53:55.380
you might be radical um i am completely against that i you know i i i've been a part of a religion
00:54:02.020
that was demonized for a long time and people thought well if you you know i was mormon for
00:54:06.240
many years and so people would say um you know oh you're all crazy and you know so that um so i think
00:54:13.880
that's wrong to take a person and say just because of your belief system you must be a radical or strange
00:54:19.820
or weird in some way and we're going to lock you up the fact the fact of the matter is wahhabism does
00:54:24.220
lead to very extremist ideology and radical events right but most wahhabists are not violent
00:54:31.480
that's the that's the reality of it can it lead to this extremism yes but most are not so that is
00:54:37.680
what i with with china that is what i think they did wrong was that they they just accused anybody who
00:54:43.780
had this belief system and said that's it you believe in a religion we don't agree with that
00:54:47.960
religion that religion is now illegal you will now uh the symbols of your religion that you wear on
00:54:54.420
your body in some way will be removed from you you will not be allowed to have those i am against that
00:54:59.600
but i don't consider it a genocide i think that the word genocide is meant to get the american people
00:55:06.680
riled up to get us to want to go to war and i don't think when it comes to china the issue i don't
00:55:14.160
think we're going to solve the problem through warfare with them and instead i think we're taking
00:55:18.360
our eye off the ball and that it is not about that particular situation though of course we could
00:55:24.360
speak up against it it's really about their growing influence and their ability to control
00:55:30.720
our society and what we value as western freedoms and democracy that they don't value as much it's not
00:55:38.820
culturally it's different and i say that as somebody who's half asian half white i see i've grown up with
00:55:45.520
both sides very intimately one side is definitely stricter than the other yes yes and so that uh i you
00:55:54.540
know and i love my asian side of the family for sure but i prefer because i was raised in america
00:56:00.880
i prefer were you raised as a mormon because i'm thinking if you are asian strict asian and a mormon
00:56:08.480
you have to play the piano right you would think no i i converted to the mormon church yeah so my
00:56:14.700
dad's side of the family is catholic and my mom's side's buddhist and then of course you know i became
00:56:18.180
a mormon because that's what you do right when you're between two religions so um yeah i don't i
00:56:24.160
you know i i don't i i was raised here in the west i like my western freedoms can can you come back to
00:56:30.960
the can we just start go back to the beginning because you have a fascinating story from the beginning
00:56:36.260
your family is from vietnam yeah my mom is from vietnam okay so tell the story uh well my mom
00:56:43.240
is and her family are refugees from vietnam so they fled at the fall of saigon the last three days of
00:56:49.080
the war they were able to get out yeah and um so they did that what did what did you think when you
00:56:55.700
saw us evacuate in afghanistan uh i i was mortified by that evacuation i i'm as you know anti-war i
00:57:05.940
absolutely thought we never should have been in that war and we absolutely needed to get out
00:57:10.380
i felt not like that not like that that was my big beef with it was we made promises to people and
00:57:17.760
those people were left behind my family was one of those families made promises to during the war
00:57:23.040
in vietnam and they got my family out and many of my other many of my mom's uh friends also were
00:57:30.380
promised because many of them were married or uh two american contractors or service members or were
00:57:37.800
somehow working for the u.s contractors companies or the actual government and so promises were made to
00:57:45.040
the vietnamese people largely those promises were actually um upheld and they actually got many of the
00:57:51.020
people out so when i saw what happened in afghanistan and that so many families like mine were promised
00:57:57.740
things and then they were not able to get out that was to me crushing not able to get out is a kind way
00:58:04.460
of saying left left behind behind yeah like in a that is that is the most dishonorable thing i've seen
00:58:13.160
us do in my lifetime that was just for the whole world to see live that was just dishonor total dishonor
00:58:23.180
yeah and that was um you know of course it's going to be clumsy getting out of course like the fall of
00:58:29.860
saigon those last few days when my family was scrambling out um it was chaotic of course right but
00:58:36.000
they were it was chaotic because they were trying to get out the people that they had promised to get
00:58:39.720
out and they'd already actually started the evacuation process months prior to that point
00:58:43.460
it was just those last few days that it became more chaotic the problem with afghanistan is they
00:58:48.480
didn't even try to get anybody out prior to that point no and then suddenly there was this evac you
00:58:54.460
know this uh you know i don't even know what to call it it wasn't even a real evacuation they just
00:58:59.540
left everybody behind they worked against i mean we were over there um saving people and uh they
00:59:05.480
actually actively worked against us i mean we had a plane in the air at one point with 320 people
00:59:13.280
on it women and children the state department told the country we were landing in had full permission
00:59:19.680
everything we can't vouch for that plane turn it around i mean they worked against freeing people it was
00:59:27.280
very dishonorable anyway so your mom and dad meet and they met so uh i'm from boise idaho so my parents
00:59:37.440
met in boise my dad was actually a hippie and he had protested the war so my mom was a vietnamese
00:59:44.040
refugee and her family came over from vietnam um and then many of them actually went back to iran and
00:59:50.580
they actually were living in iran until the until the revolution in 1970 and my poor grandmother
00:59:56.360
my grandmother's actually northern vietnamese so she had to flee the north she fled the north to
01:00:01.560
the south had to flee the south she ended up settling in iran for a while and then had to flee
01:00:07.020
again at the revolution in iran and she's still alive to this day wow yeah is she here in america yep
01:00:12.920
she's in uh california yeah and she's gonna have to flee california maybe i don't know she's getting up
01:00:20.060
there in age she's 95 so you live in california i do i live in la yeah yeah why
01:00:26.300
i knew that was gonna be the next question yeah good question i don't know why i mean the weather
01:00:32.640
is great my family's there yeah it is it is the most beautiful state in the union it is it is
01:00:39.640
i grew up in the pacific northwest i've always wanted to live in california i can't i couldn't
01:00:45.800
do it i couldn't do it no matter how great the weather is it's become insane yeah it is insane
01:00:52.140
there there are parts of it that are less insane so you could live in like orange county and it's
01:00:56.160
not as insane as la la is particularly la and san francisco are particularly crazy yeah yeah but
01:01:02.380
a lot of the state is great um certainly the policies and there's a lot there are a lot of
01:01:08.360
issues with the state there's no doubt but it's hard to leave the weather and the food i know it's
01:01:14.140
difficult and our families are there so it's difficult for us to actually but we've taught we've
01:01:18.600
definitely been looking seriously about leaving maybe coming to dallas um this is a great place
01:01:25.940
yeah i lived in austin for a while before i moved to la a little too weird i went backwards right
01:01:31.300
everybody's leaving la to go to austin i went from austin to la but uh yeah i'm in la for now so
01:01:38.240
but my mom and her family settled in um at first in boise idaho that's where their sponsor was
01:01:44.200
so they were there and then that's when my dad and my mom met and got married and then you know i i
01:01:49.680
showed up at some point and uh they divorced i stayed in idaho with my dad and my mom and her
01:01:56.740
family left it was actually called this kind of great migration to a vietnamese it's actually a
01:02:02.640
documented event that sort of happened in the mid and late 80s where the vietnamese that were all around
01:02:08.660
the country from their various different sponsorships migrated south and so they were
01:02:13.900
stuck in the cold states like idaho or minnesota and a lot of them trekked down to houston texas or
01:02:19.980
to westminster california which is the largest vietnamese community phoenix arizona some in florida as
01:02:25.120
well trying to get to those warm climates so my family did that um and i went back and forth between
01:02:30.300
the two places visiting my parents when you're in california and compare living in california to
01:02:36.700
boise idaho red blue yeah very very different and during the pandemic i flew back and forth i'm
01:02:42.640
very close to my dad i talked to him every day and i would i go up to visit him all the time and i
01:02:47.320
know my my dad's side of the family is all still there and yeah it was just especially during the
01:02:52.360
pandemic i mean it was stark difference that's when you could really see it because california was you
01:02:57.920
couldn't even go outside without wearing a mask you weren't allowed on the beach it's crazy and then i
01:03:02.040
would go back to boise and there would be a concert that my dad would be jamming in and i i would go to
01:03:07.480
the concert maskless and hang out no big deal you said um that you have friends that have had real
01:03:15.280
problems with the vaccine yeah what i mean you can't say them because you'd be but you say them here
01:03:22.800
what um a severe inflammation so and neurological uh issues so i do have one close friend who
01:03:31.460
after receiving um the vaccine ended up slurring words needing to get a cat scan having severe muscle
01:03:40.940
pain um so it just seemed like it was inflammation throughout the uh musculoskeletal system as well
01:03:47.500
as a bit into the nervous system a lot of women reported menstrual cycle issues a lot of my friends
01:03:53.180
did and they uh a lot of them you know interestingly they would anecdotally tell the story without
01:03:58.640
realizing it was maybe connected to the vaccine so one of my cousins for example is oh my gosh it's
01:04:04.120
like the worst ever i don't even know what's going on i maybe it's menopause right they're always
01:04:07.860
making some sort of an excuse but then you're hearing this over and over from various different women
01:04:12.360
but certainly the uh muscle inflammation the inflammation is the biggest one that and then
01:04:19.500
there you know i i do know many people that took it didn't seem to have really very many side effects
01:04:27.120
you know it was just the regular maybe a day or two of chills or a fever but then others i do have
01:04:34.060
some that you know the problem is it's difficult to connect it because the doctors don't want to connect
01:04:39.280
it but and it might not be i mean there's a possibility that they're not connected but
01:04:43.500
there's also a strong possibility that they are connected considering they happened directly after
01:04:47.640
vaccination so we should at least be able to talk about it right yeah and to see how the rates if the
01:04:55.360
rates are much higher especially in certain age groups um or even genders but i do know some people
01:05:00.960
that have had heart palpitations and heart issues after the vaccine so how long ago was it that you
01:05:08.600
kind of woke up i mean i have to believe it's a little surreal for you to be like i'm sitting
01:05:16.520
across from glenn beck and he's loopy or whatever you used to think of me um and me still i don't mean
01:05:23.560
to um you know project uh on you but when did this turn happen um with you in particular no no with the whole
01:05:33.720
i'm a liberal progressive i'm i'm there too i don't know what i am but i'm not that
01:05:41.080
you know actually a lot of it was when i would listen to your radio show without realizing i was
01:05:46.380
listening to your radio show because i didn't recognize your voice because i wasn't a big
01:05:50.480
listener of your radio show before and in you know full disclosure that's fine um and so i would be
01:05:55.800
driving in my car and i would hear you talking and you'd make a lot of sense to me and this was
01:06:00.860
this was definitely during the trump era so you'd be saying things and i'd listen and i'd say yeah
01:06:06.140
yeah yeah and then all of a sudden i'd hear the glenn beck program no way what in the world just
01:06:11.360
happened to me no way that happened don't tell anyone and it happened several times i would just
01:06:21.180
be driving my car in la and you would be on i i don't remember which station it would be but i would
01:06:26.120
be listening um or at least i think it was in la it might have been while i was in idaho but
01:06:30.520
i would i would listen and this happened a number of times and then i called my dad at one point i
01:06:35.280
said dad you won't believe because my dad's a big old you know hippie progressive right i'm like i i
01:06:39.820
don't know why but i'm agreeing with glenn back lately i've listened to his program and i and i agree
01:06:44.240
with him i don't know what's going on is he becoming more reasonable or am i moving to the right and i don't
01:06:48.700
know which one it is i don't i don't think i think there's something weird happening i haven't changed
01:06:56.100
but i don't think people like you have changed either we're just seeing that we've been called
01:07:03.920
names or duped by the crazies on the very fringe yeah and we were made to feel like you're one of them
01:07:12.000
and i'm one of them but when we talk to each other we realize oh we have much more income i'm sure we
01:07:18.320
could find a lot of policies and everything else to argue about but when principles are online all of
01:07:24.800
a sudden we just lock in right it's the people who aren't talking about principles that you know are
01:07:32.160
still lost on both sides and i also think when it comes to uh left and right it's probably a lot of
01:07:38.360
the moral stuff you know people fight against the moral things quite a bit and so i think
01:07:42.300
um there are certain government policies based on morals that i do think still define the left and
01:07:50.360
the right but beyond that but even that's shifting and i think there's should government have a place
01:07:56.420
in morals though i don't believe so so i have a more libertarian viewpoint on that but um if you want
01:08:04.020
to regulate certain aspects of a person's life like for me i am pro-choice on everything so i
01:08:10.700
believe that that is a decision between me and my doctor and not my government or my boss for any of
01:08:16.200
my medical decisions and i think that's been interesting now with the pandemic you've got a lot
01:08:20.860
of people who um on either side of that on for women's uh health have been on either side of that and
01:08:29.560
then suddenly with the pandemic have had to kind of re-gear how they think you know whether they
01:08:34.720
then say no i do think you should allow the government to regulate you know people that
01:08:38.840
were always saying no no no no government regulation now are like oh absolutely we should mandate you
01:08:43.600
yeah you must do what i said how if you don't tie it to if you don't if you if you're not moored to
01:08:51.300
something steady solid you know a polar star of some sort people are switching sides left and right
01:09:00.220
yeah i mean it's like wait wasn't i supposed to be on the other side and you were supposed to be on
01:09:05.340
that side it is it's like the corporation thing i used to hate that flag with the little corporate
01:09:11.040
things up you know the logos for the stars have you ever seen that i used to hate that i'd be like
01:09:16.200
oh these hippies i would go to i would go to see things like uh you know any any dystopian and they
01:09:23.020
would say i work for the corporation i'd be like stop it but that's what's happening yeah it's weird
01:09:29.680
it's just we find ourselves there's like an alignment a realignment happening between uh people and i i do
01:09:37.060
find that i am agreeing more with people i didn't think i would agree with like yourself yeah and now i
01:09:42.260
think you're right if we sat down and really went point by point we would find that we probably agree
01:09:45.960
way more than we disagree and even the things we might disagree on it's a nuanced disagreement it's
01:09:52.100
just about implementation perhaps right yeah we're not neither side of the monsters you know i i i said
01:10:01.240
this years ago walking down the street as me um in some cities are you able to do that yeah see in some
01:10:10.720
cities no um some cities i can't even walk with my children um with me because the things that are
01:10:17.860
said and everything else in other cities i'm uh i'm a hero you know and i've said to my kids
01:10:26.100
dad's neither of those dad's neither of those it's a cartoon distortion of who we really are and if we can
01:10:35.960
see that with everyone this is there's when there is no nuance that leads to book burning stuff well
01:10:46.780
and that's where we're at in our political sphere unfortunately right now yeah where do you go next
01:10:53.000
what are you what what is i mean you have a very bright future thank you just gonna keep uh trucking
01:11:02.500
away hoping that i don't get canceled i mean we'll see where i go from here are you surprised
01:11:09.500
that you being a progressive have you know you probably saw cancel culture differently yeah you
01:11:16.960
did yeah yeah oh i what in what way that uh i mean i think and this is not a left or right thing
01:11:24.780
it's when things aren't happening to you you're like oh it's not a problem it's just happening to
01:11:30.740
those people no i mean in that way i was always very against cancel culture so i saw it differently
01:11:35.020
than other people on my side of the aisle is what i was referring to yeah i've always been against it
01:11:39.720
i always thought that this free speech i mean even if i think what you're saying is abhorrent i need to
01:11:44.520
be able to know that you even at least think it i would prefer to i prefer that personally i i'd rather
01:11:49.620
know my kids so i can say don't go play over at their house they're nazis you know what i mean i want
01:11:56.360
to know who people are absolutely i agree i want to know who hates me i want to know all the things
01:12:02.660
they think i want to know these things i don't there's no value in hiding it and then as you
01:12:09.000
mentioned you know what then your kids go to their house and play and the next thing you know they're
01:12:12.320
indoctrinated with some something that you didn't even know about right right um yeah so i'm very
01:12:17.160
against that cancel culture let me just ask you one last question a year from now and i know
01:12:23.520
this is ridiculous is the world at war yes what kind of war a either a cold war or hot war but a
01:12:34.440
global split in half yeah unfortunately we definitely i don't think that's going to be
01:12:38.440
solved in a year from now is has israel uh and iran are they actively engaged i don't think so okay
01:12:49.460
um the economy in america better worse much worse much worse much worse in a year in one year from
01:13:00.700
now yeah great reset implemented fully implemented uh or or not no not fully implemented and what is
01:13:10.900
fully intimate uh implemented mean to you uh that you own nothing and you will be happy okay
01:13:17.700
yeah well they say that'll be 2030 yeah um last last one digital programmable money a year from now
01:13:28.440
or the dollar that we have uh i i think they're going to try to implement it but i think that um
01:13:35.760
in some ways it's a good thing that our government's is slow so yeah i don't think they'll get it done in
01:13:41.980
a year i think they'll still be discussing it thank you so much thank you for having me back god bless
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