The Glenn Beck Program - Ep 144 ｜ Did Elon Musk Launch Us into a Post-Woke World？｜ Dave Rubin

00:00:00.000 The words freedom and friendship came from the same root word, and along the way they kind of veered apart, but they can't ever fully be separated.

00:00:08.800 Freedom, like friendship, requires moral devotion.

00:00:13.100 It's why Adam Smith put freedom at the very center of capitalism, a system that relies on exchange and cooperation while also fueling individualism.

00:00:22.320 It is the beauty of capitalism when it is unspoiled.

00:00:27.440 You get to be yourself, and you also get to be around other people who are being themselves.

00:00:34.500 But lately, all of our communities are being swarmed by what our next guest refers to as the collective.

00:00:42.300 You know the collective. You know it probably very well by now.

00:00:45.440 It's the brainless mob of leftists destroying everything in its path.

00:00:50.480 It ambushes our lives. It is the cancel culture.

00:00:54.760 Fake news, political correctness, immorality of every kind.

00:00:58.700 It's the indoctrination of our children.

00:01:01.580 They know better.

00:01:03.320 The war on the police, the tyranny of the state, the godlike power of big tech.

00:01:08.880 The collective is one enormous job of the hut made out of shrieking leftists.

00:01:15.600 Don't get me wrong. It could be the right doing it, but it's not.

00:01:20.420 The collective is coming from the left.

00:01:23.320 It gets people fired for its nonsense.

00:01:26.040 It destroys anything sacred.

00:01:27.960 It mocks faith. It ruins family, love.

00:01:30.820 It wants us to own nothing and promises that when we do, we will be happy.

00:01:35.420 It burns down our cities all in the name of peace.

00:01:38.840 We all remember the riots of 2020, and today's guest certainly does.

00:01:44.580 The collective is a cult full of the same people who are the same.

00:01:49.780 It has no soul, and it hates you that you do have a soul or that you are different.

00:01:56.820 It hates the individual.

00:01:58.700 It doesn't speak.

00:02:00.600 It erases.

00:02:01.920 Most of all, it's defined by its total lack of freedom.

00:02:05.580 Today's guest understands that if we want future generations to live free, we have to defend liberty right now.

00:02:13.200 He knows that freedom demands courage and rebellion.

00:02:16.740 He's done it his entire life.

00:02:18.840 It's what motivated him to write his latest book, Don't Burn This Country, Surviving and Thriving in Our Woke Dystopia.

00:02:27.820 His goal is, well, I would say it's simple, but no, it's not.

00:02:31.980 Save America, restore liberty, rescue individualism before the plague destroys everything.

00:02:39.420 What's the alternative?

00:02:42.060 He talks a lot about courage in his book, and he is one of the most courageous men I know.

00:02:52.340 Please welcome my good friend, Dave Rubin.

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00:05:04.420 Dave, as always, welcome.

00:05:14.040 Glenn, it is good to be with you, my friend.

00:05:16.480 Are we going to talk about all the stuff that we talk about off camera as well?

00:05:19.400 Yes, we are.

00:05:20.220 We're going to talk about everything.

00:05:22.300 You've got your book, Don't Burn This Country.

00:05:24.120 And I want to start with a story, and I have a reason.

00:05:27.740 It's not self-aggrandizing, I promise.

00:05:30.260 I want you to start with a story that you included in the book about this document.

00:05:36.420 I like where you're going.

00:05:37.300 I like when you bring props, my friend.

00:05:39.440 So that's Raoul Wallenberg, Schutz Pass.

00:05:42.320 And you talk about it in the book.

00:05:43.800 So I talked about it because of a conversation that we had about a year and a half ago in this very building where you told me the whole story about Raoul Wallenberg.

00:05:53.380 And the purpose of the book, really, and why I included the story, and we can dive into some of the details, is I want people to feel a little bravery again.

00:06:01.140 I want people to be ready to do something good before it's too late.

00:06:07.000 And I think if everyone looks back on these last two years, it's like, man, we let a lot of stuff go.

00:06:13.800 We just kind of, all of us, and I would include us, even the guys that talk about it for a living, and we're saying no mandates, and we could have done more.

00:06:20.860 You know, it's a little bit of, not just sound.

00:06:23.440 It is.

00:06:23.980 You got me, man.

00:06:24.580 I think about that all the time.

00:06:25.980 How many people could this ring have purchased?

00:06:29.300 That that, you know, I don't know how true, actually, I'm sure there was a little bit of a poetic license at the end of Schindler's List.

00:06:35.720 But you know he thought it.

00:06:37.300 But he had to have thought it, right?

00:06:38.540 Because as he was saving these people, he could have always, you know, think of how many families got broke up right before he could get the wife or the child or the husband or whatever it might be.

00:06:48.260 So I include the story because we all did it.

00:06:52.140 We all weren't ready.

00:06:53.480 We all weren't ready when something came to our door.

00:06:57.220 Hey, we're locking you down.

00:06:58.780 Hey, we're doing mask mandates.

00:07:00.320 Hey, we're firing people from their jobs.

00:07:02.020 We weren't ready to stand up, and it is not easy to stand up.

00:07:05.400 Raul Wallenberg, it was not easy to stand up.

00:07:08.740 And you have to be prepared for that.

00:07:11.180 In the same chapter, I talk about Rudy Giuliani a little bit.

00:07:13.720 And I was in New York during 9-11.

00:07:16.820 And Rudy, I mean, he saved the nation.

00:07:21.660 He really did.

00:07:22.500 If people remember, it's not that long ago.

00:07:24.520 You know, it seems like a long time ago.

00:07:25.720 It's not that long ago, 20, 21 years, basically, that the whole nation felt like it was falling apart.

00:07:32.600 There were those days where we were like, holy cow, is this country actually done?

00:07:35.980 We have no idea what's happening right now.

00:07:37.940 I never, until recently, never felt this country could be gone in a day.

00:07:45.460 And on September 11th through maybe the 15th or so, I wasn't sure we were going to make it.

00:07:52.540 Nobody knew.

00:07:53.240 Nobody knew.

00:07:53.780 And I can tell you, as someone that lived in New York City, and I had a lot of family in New York City,

00:07:56.860 I had friends staying in my apartments because they couldn't get to Long Island, couldn't get to the boroughs because everything was shut down.

00:08:02.460 But Rudy, and this is the same sort of idea, Rudy was ready to lead.

00:08:07.360 But it wasn't that he was ready to lead just like this, right?

00:08:10.720 He wasn't ready to lead, like, out of nowhere.

00:08:13.080 What did it come from?

00:08:13.980 It came from fighting the mob for years as attorney general.

00:08:16.780 It came from years' worth of stuff, years' worth of putting the work in to be ready for something that he wouldn't know that he needed to be ready for.

00:08:25.800 And I think that's what all of us have to kind of be doing right now because whatever just happened with COVID that we seem to be somewhat out of,

00:08:31.620 although I suspect not fully, and you've been writing a lot and talking a lot about some of the things that are coming down the pike,

00:08:38.720 if we think about it clearly, we'll be ready when the next crazy thing happens, when they tell us,

00:08:43.240 oh, no, you can't drive on Wednesdays and Thursdays because of climate change,

00:08:48.140 or you should put masks back on because of this or that.

00:08:51.920 We'll be ready, hopefully, to stand up a little bit more.

00:08:54.340 You know, one thing I can tell you is that in this last two weeks since the book came out and I went on tour

00:08:58.780 and I'm on planes every single day and I'm in all these different cities,

00:09:02.120 to suddenly go to airports where nobody's wearing a mask and people are smiling again

00:09:05.440 and people are talking to each other again and you talk to the guy,

00:09:08.660 whether it's for four hours on a flight or you just say hello.

00:09:11.040 I mean, literally just say hello when you sit down as opposed to just pretending it's not a human.

00:09:15.000 But we all let it happen and we can't let that happen again.

00:09:20.640 That's really, in some ways, even though I wrote the book a year and a half ago, that's really the message.

00:09:24.520 And I didn't know exactly how dire it was going to get, but that really is it.

00:09:27.940 So I'm really concerned because there's a couple of things that I think mentally we have to prepare for

00:09:34.620 because I think the odds are decent that they will come through.

00:09:42.100 Let me give you a couple of them.

00:09:43.640 And how do we prepare for them?

00:09:45.620 One, I'm sorry, but something seems very wrong with the Ukrainian war thing.

00:09:53.300 We keep upping.

00:09:54.880 It's like we're begging for a war with Russia.

00:09:57.160 And, you know, like I said, with the COVID virus back in 2020 and in January of 2020,

00:10:08.040 when they were still welding people in, I said, I think this is going to come, but it's not going to be 1919.

00:10:15.160 It's not going to be the bubonic plague.

00:10:17.180 It's not going to kill a third of us.

00:10:18.620 I don't think I said, but the ramifications of what we do and our economy are going to live on for a long time.

00:10:27.220 Fear that the same thing here.

00:10:29.600 I don't think we're going to nuclear war.

00:10:32.840 I can't believe people are actually talking about it, but we are probably going to get into war.

00:10:39.480 And the steps, the draconian things that this government can do to suppress, they'll say, we're only doing this on social media because of Russians.

00:10:50.760 We're only doing this because you're not supporting this particular program and we're at war.

00:10:56.980 Those things can come and be very draconian.

00:11:01.640 We should prepare for that.

00:11:03.460 Can come there here.

00:11:05.520 Yeah.

00:11:06.060 Can come there here.

00:11:07.460 Do you think that we are on the eve of a major war?

00:11:12.800 Well, it's interesting.

00:11:15.660 At some level, you could argue we're at war right now.

00:11:18.760 I mean, I know war has not been declared, but we also live in this very weird time where the Constitution is usually just pushed to the side where we go to wars.

00:11:27.420 Or remember, we had a kinetic military action in Libya because we didn't call it a war so that Congress wouldn't have to give it authorization.

00:11:34.340 So we do all these strange things.

00:11:35.640 So it's partly, you know, do we just get lost in the technical term of what does war mean?

00:11:39.980 What does any of this mean?

00:11:40.660 I mean, by any, I think, standard definition or obvious de facto definition of war, we're at war.

00:11:47.560 When you sanction the hell out of a country and then somehow, I mean, just going by what Joe Biden and the administration are saying, if in effect this is Putin's price hike at the pump, then you could argue that is an act of war.

00:11:58.580 Now, I don't think it's Putin's price hike, right?

00:12:00.000 I think this is the ineptitude of our own government.

00:12:02.620 But if, in essence, what the administration is saying is, oh, this country is able to radically affect our economy by, you know, turning down the oil, doing other financial measures.

00:12:15.080 Well, we're on top of that.

00:12:17.220 We're arming people, right?

00:12:18.520 We're sending them billions of dollars of assistance and military equipment.

00:12:23.000 Seven, then 13 billion and now 33 billion dollars.

00:12:27.520 Glenn, am I nuts or could we use some of that money here?

00:12:30.140 I know that's not how the whole system works.

00:12:31.760 I know that's not how the game works.

00:12:33.400 But do you think?

00:12:34.280 I know.

00:12:34.780 But but that, I think, is is sort of a more interesting part.

00:12:37.760 It's not necessarily whether we're at war or not, because we are in effect.

00:12:42.160 We are at war one way or another.

00:12:44.020 And, yes, is there always this idea out there, basically, like the guy's got nukes.

00:12:49.780 The guy has nukes.

00:12:50.820 You corner him and who the hell knows what's going to happen.

00:12:53.440 Right.

00:12:53.800 But what I'm more interested in is just sort of, and I think this is what you're getting to, this sort of like slow descent into endless craziness.

00:13:01.960 Like, look how quickly we moved from COVID to the State of the Union.

00:13:05.600 We're talking about war for the we're talking about war and not war for the first half hour.

00:13:10.180 No masks in the room.

00:13:11.380 The next day, Biden's outside with masks.

00:13:13.580 And it's like, if you stayed roughly sane in these last couple of years.

00:13:18.020 And by the way, my friend, you are on the short list of people that I know.

00:13:20.980 If you stay just ballpark sane, you don't have to be super sane.

00:13:23.540 But if you stayed roughly sane, if you didn't throw all your values out the window, if you weren't screaming that people had to be injected with things and demanding other people be fired and calling for war in a country that you had never heard of before.

00:13:35.300 And we could go on and on with a zillion examples, calling for people to be censored and all of this stuff.

00:13:39.400 If you didn't do all that, you're pretty much OK in my book right now.

00:13:43.540 And those are the people that I think we have to keep finding and talking to and giving a little of that bravery.

00:13:48.240 Yeah.

00:13:48.920 Because it really a little of this.

00:13:50.420 I don't know.

00:13:51.200 I mean, you know, we've talked about ESG and everything else is coming.

00:13:54.840 It is draconian.

00:13:56.740 The DHS, let's talk a little bit about the DHS.

00:14:00.220 What are they calling it?

00:14:01.000 The Misinformation Board?

00:14:02.900 Yeah.

00:14:03.140 I think it's disinformation.

00:14:05.200 Yes.

00:14:05.220 It's unclear to me what the difference between those two things are.

00:14:07.260 That is disinformation.

00:14:09.500 Incredible.

00:14:10.320 Yeah.

00:14:10.880 Incredible.

00:14:11.600 I mean, we are living in 1982.

00:14:15.960 Glenn, you're a man of history.

00:14:17.620 The First Amendment.

00:14:19.140 What is it again?

00:14:20.360 Speech, assembly, religion, petition.

00:14:23.760 And there's another one I can't remember.

00:14:26.320 You're pretty good.

00:14:26.700 Pretty good.

00:14:27.060 I'll take that.

00:14:28.320 The idea that the government literally in the last day from us recording this right now has put together this ministry of truth, in essence.

00:14:35.840 I mean, we are in 1984.

00:14:37.520 They have decided.

00:14:38.580 I mean, this is it's so close.

00:14:40.180 I mean, this is what they're doing with everything.

00:14:41.600 They get so close to breaking all the rules that it puts us in a position where it's hard to figure out what the rules are.

00:14:47.840 So for the last two years, how many times has Jen Psaki got up in those press conferences and said, yeah, we flag posts for Facebook.

00:14:55.480 Well, OK, so what does that mean?

00:14:56.620 Well, it doesn't I suppose that's not directly the government saying we're going to infringe on free speech, but it's pretty damn close.

00:15:04.040 What do they mean by flag?

00:15:05.720 Are they applying some sort of pressure to Facebook to the executives at Facebook when they get the call from the administration?

00:15:11.060 Do they just feel that they have to do things or maybe they're going to be punished in other ways?

00:15:14.660 Do you want to talk about a power dynamic got a call from the White House?

00:15:20.000 They'd like us to look into these people and say maybe they're not so great.

00:15:24.120 Do you think you might imagine if you imagine if the guys at the blaze got a call from the White House and they said, boy, you guys have been putting out some scary stuff and we're not telling you what to do.

00:15:33.580 But we are concerned about that.

00:15:34.980 And we just want to let you know about that.

00:15:36.180 Now, is that a veiled threat?

00:15:37.820 Is that a direct assault on free speech?

00:15:39.520 So the idea that they are now putting together and not only it's not just that they're putting it together.

00:15:43.920 Who's it's being backed by Hillary, right?

00:15:45.880 She's sending these tweets.

00:15:47.420 Obama's really into it.

00:15:48.440 The same people who've lied to us about everything.

00:15:51.180 Yeah.

00:15:51.420 Lied to us about COVID.

00:15:52.800 Lied to us about Brett Kavanaugh being a serial rapist.

00:15:55.380 Lied to us about Jesse Smollett.

00:15:57.320 Lied to us about very fine people on both sides.

00:15:59.640 Donald Trump lied to us about the Russia hoax.

00:16:02.820 Lied to us about Biden's laptop.

00:16:04.120 I mean, I'm going to run out of fingers here.

00:16:05.500 So they lie about everything.

00:16:07.220 And then a few of us are like, hey, guys, two years later, everything we keep saying turns out to be true.

00:16:13.920 Now we've got to watch out.

00:16:15.100 We've got to censor that.

00:16:15.920 That's why this Elon Musk thing is so interesting right now.

00:16:18.560 So tell me about that.

00:16:20.680 I mean, look, the world's richest man, a man who not only, you know, started SpaceX and Tesla, the guy shot a Tesla.

00:16:27.680 He took a car and shot it into space to put it in orbit just for fun.

00:16:32.320 I know.

00:16:32.840 And that sounds, I guess that sounds crazy or why is he doing these things?

00:16:36.080 But the point is, the guy is, he is the true innovator of our time.

00:16:39.100 Like nobody, he's the Tesla.

00:16:40.180 He's the Tesla of our time.

00:16:41.980 He is.

00:16:42.320 Right.

00:16:42.540 He's the Nikola Tesla of our time.

00:16:44.280 And he may be more of a business guy than the actual dreamer of the technical, you know.

00:16:53.200 Right.

00:16:53.440 So Tesla himself was the latter.

00:16:56.240 Correct.

00:16:56.420 So Tesla himself was the inventor.

00:16:57.960 His business is actually, although that had a lot to do with Edison also.

00:17:00.820 And I think, you know, there's, there's, there's two pop culture things I'd love to get your read on.

00:17:05.420 One is Elon Musk.

00:17:08.920 I don't even know where he stands politically.

00:17:11.020 I know we disagree.

00:17:12.180 I'm sure on a ton of things.

00:17:14.220 I'd vote for that guy in a heartbeat because he sees over the horizon on what can be.

00:17:21.820 Yes.

00:17:22.240 And he recognizes we're not living in 1973 anymore.

00:17:26.540 Okay.

00:17:26.860 Everything has changed.

00:17:28.640 Let's go this way.

00:17:29.660 And he seems unafraid.

00:17:31.900 That's what you need more than anything else.

00:17:33.580 Yeah.

00:17:33.700 And have we ever need, certainly in my lifetime, I don't remember ever needing it more.

00:17:37.220 The idea that there's someone out there going, guys, there's something over there.

00:17:40.940 Yeah.

00:17:41.080 There's something over there.

00:17:41.800 You don't have to stare down all the time.

00:17:43.760 Right.

00:17:44.040 And be beaten by this system that constantly wants you to bow to it.

00:17:48.760 Oh, there's a new horizon over there.

00:17:50.440 You know, a few weeks ago on my show, I think it was the day that he made that announcement.

00:17:54.200 I said, we are entering the post-woke world.

00:17:56.700 And I think it's starting to develop right now.

00:17:59.320 I think something is starting to shift.

00:18:00.940 And if you look at the reaction, you don't even have to look at what the guy is doing because we don't know what he's doing.

00:18:05.960 I mean, this is the funny part.

00:18:06.880 He hasn't done anything.

00:18:07.620 He hasn't done anything.

00:18:08.180 Except I'm going to say, I'm going to open it up for free speech.

00:18:10.860 Now, the problem with that, of course, is that the lefties think, at least the modern lefties, think that the neutrality of speech is violence.

00:18:20.640 Right.

00:18:20.800 So if you were to say they believe that unless you're actively policing speech enough to protect their supposed marginalized groups, that that in and of itself is an act of violence.

00:18:30.340 He's saying, hey, say what you want.

00:18:32.380 And by the way, he's not saying, first off, they haven't come up with the policies yet.

00:18:35.760 That's number one.

00:18:36.600 The deal is not even dried yet.

00:18:38.640 Right.

00:18:38.880 So he's got to figure out some of that stuff.

00:18:40.860 But in essence, all he's saying is, hey, let's all be here and let's let's have as much open discourse as we could.

00:18:47.640 That's what we all thought we had 20 years ago.

00:18:50.120 Yeah.

00:18:50.300 But he's saying legal, legal, free speech.

00:18:53.020 You can't say these people are on MSNBC and they're saying, you know, I getting rape threats and death.

00:18:59.600 That's illegal.

00:19:01.680 First, that's illegal.

00:19:02.800 I would welcome anyone watching this to take a look at Glenn Beck's mentions on Twitter or take a look at Dave Rubin's mentions on Twitter.

00:19:09.020 People say a lot of bad things, mean things to us all day long.

00:19:12.180 Guess what?

00:19:12.600 When they're when they're genuinely violent, usually it gets deleted by Twitter.

00:19:16.800 And once in a blue moon, I've had to report things that I thought were genuine, genuine threats.

00:19:22.000 But yes, you're allowed to say mean things and you're not going to believe this.

00:19:24.920 But not illegal things.

00:19:26.020 No, not not illegal things.

00:19:27.220 But do you know about the block button?

00:19:28.700 There's a button that you can press.

00:19:30.480 What?

00:19:30.900 And then other people can't see your stuff.

00:19:33.220 How self-unaware were they when they said, you know, Elon Musk, he could just he could just ban people and no one would even know.

00:19:42.080 Almost as if they've been doing this.

00:19:44.560 They self-diagnose all the time.

00:19:46.720 Is that the most extraordinary thing?

00:19:48.440 Extraordinary.

00:19:48.880 Like that they it's it's confession through projection.

00:19:52.180 Yeah, it is.

00:19:52.700 That's a great phrase that my friend Viva Fry came up with.

00:19:55.200 I think that they they constantly are telling you what they're doing and they're telling you that you're doing it.

00:20:02.100 You have to admire it.

00:20:03.720 I've been I've been saying this since the Tides Foundation.

00:20:07.520 I tried to get a bunch of conservatives to make a clean model of the Tides Foundation.

00:20:13.440 Yeah.

00:20:13.620 OK, fund all these groups.

00:20:15.180 Just do it cleanly.

00:20:16.200 OK, because I noticed every time they would say they're doing this, I'd go to the map of the Tides Foundation.

00:20:24.200 I go, oh, it's right there.

00:20:26.680 They they always project what they're doing right now.

00:20:32.440 Donald Trump, he's saying stolen election.

00:20:35.780 Do you think they're not going to be claiming that this fall?

00:20:39.960 Glenn, do you remember the four years that he was president?

00:20:42.620 I'm pretty sure I just read a few people were saying he was an illegitimate president.

00:20:46.720 I just read a poll that the majority of Democrats still believe Hillary Clinton won 2016 and don't get started with Al Gore.

00:20:57.340 So what can we do?

00:20:59.520 And that really is the purpose of the book.

00:21:01.200 What can we do?

00:21:01.840 I think, as Jordan Peterson would say, you have to give the devil his due.

00:21:05.420 These people have done a tremendous amount of damage to the country for all of our good efforts, for all of the people that have been fighting this, whether in their own personal life or at a professional level or as broadcasters or whatever.

00:21:17.600 They've done a tremendous amount of damage.

00:21:19.380 They've destroyed the institutions, educational institutions, political institutions, cultural institutions.

00:21:24.020 They infected these things like Disney.

00:21:26.180 They did that.

00:21:27.380 And we have to sit there and acknowledge that and go, man, that that is real.

00:21:31.620 And they did it and they did it on our watch and we didn't stop it.

00:21:35.060 We might have tried to stop it, but but we didn't.

00:21:37.640 So what can we do?

00:21:38.820 We have to separate from them.

00:21:40.060 And I really mean that now.

00:21:41.380 I mean, it's sort of geographically.

00:21:43.200 I mean, it I mean, it personally.

00:21:45.600 I mean, it philosophically.

00:21:47.280 They're not going to stop.

00:21:49.020 They may lose a little momentum right now.

00:21:50.860 It does feel like they're losing momentum, but they are not going to stop.

00:21:53.720 They are.

00:21:54.480 I am convinced they are.

00:21:55.960 If I can't have you, no one will.

00:21:57.560 Yeah.

00:21:58.580 The what do you mean by them?

00:22:01.560 Let's let's define them.

00:22:03.580 So I would say the woke set of people.

00:22:07.060 So what really is that?

00:22:08.720 So the people who have taken the time tested bad ideas of socialism.

00:22:12.560 So you've got sort of like like you have the economic version of it.

00:22:15.880 So you have like Elizabeth Warren and Bernie.

00:22:17.660 So, OK, the bad ideas of economic socialism that we know don't work,

00:22:21.940 that often cause all sorts of killing in all sorts of other places.

00:22:25.900 But they want to inject that here and it never really works.

00:22:28.360 OK, fine.

00:22:29.180 You have them.

00:22:30.000 And then what they did.

00:22:31.200 And this was this was the magic trick that the that the wokesters really pulled off.

00:22:36.060 Bernie started coming in with all the socialist ideas and started getting this sort of populist,

00:22:40.480 you know, rage behind him.

00:22:41.960 And some of it was warranted, by the way, because the system was so broke that populism made sense.

00:22:46.720 Right.

00:22:47.420 You may disagree with the economics.

00:22:48.860 So right.

00:22:49.320 So guys like us, we disagree with the economics.

00:22:50.860 But the sort of main message of something's really broke and we've got to sort of fix it.

00:22:55.900 That kind of makes sense.

00:22:56.700 So that was kind of moving along.

00:22:58.540 And then the wokesters, the people who took cultural socialism or cultural Marxism, the idea that equity comes before equality and that your skin color and your gender and your sexuality and your if you're able or unable, whatever they want to call it, that all of these things,

00:23:18.080 they combine that into something that was was a really sort of disgusting monster that then caused all of the cancel culture.

00:23:26.300 It infected all the institutions.

00:23:27.960 And I've long been arguing.

00:23:29.220 It's a very sad thing for me to be arguing.

00:23:31.200 But my first book, which was a defense of classical liberalism, which I still think is the right set of ideas in a sane world.

00:23:39.000 They they infected the liberals.

00:23:41.540 Liberals used to stand for free speech.

00:23:43.760 They do not anymore.

00:23:44.680 No, they use the tolerance, the soft underbelly of the liberals, which liberals put tolerance at the highest pinnacle.

00:23:52.460 Right.

00:23:53.040 And that's a problem because then, of course, as you know, you become tolerant of intolerance and they got in.

00:23:58.980 They infected all of these things and they're not going to stop.

00:24:01.920 So Disney, look, Disney lost forty one billion dollars in the last three weeks.

00:24:07.580 And why did it lose it?

00:24:09.460 Because they've been infected.

00:24:10.720 And then one man, Ron DeSantis, said no more.

00:24:13.140 Yeah. And that that I love the idea that one man, Elon Musk is one man.

00:24:19.160 Now, he may be an extraordinary person and he's the Tony Stark of our time.

00:24:21.920 And it's hard to imagine a guy sending Tesla's into space.

00:24:24.380 But he's one guy, one guy who could have done whatever he wanted.

00:24:27.120 If he wanted to put his family on a rocket tomorrow and disappear from Earth and all of our mortal problems gone, he could do it.

00:24:32.920 But instead, he got into the biggest fight possible.

00:24:35.100 The free speech fight. Elon Musk is one guy. Ron DeSantis is one guy.

00:24:39.860 Judge Mazzell, the thirty five year old female Trump appointed judge in Tampa who just said, nope, no more mask mandates.

00:24:46.340 And then what happens? Everybody rips him off.

00:24:49.140 Covid isn't going crazy for the last two weeks.

00:24:51.200 One woman. So we just need the individual to say no to the machine.

00:24:56.020 Well, it is starting to it is starting to happen.

00:24:59.300 You know, we've I've been saying, where is Churchill?

00:25:02.020 Where where where's an even an FDR that we imagine him to be?

00:25:07.000 You know, I mean, where are the great leaders?

00:25:09.700 And we're starting to see them appear.

00:25:12.260 And, you know, it's it may be part of that old expression that strong men make good times.

00:25:20.780 Good times make weak men. We've been bad times.

00:25:23.760 Yeah, we've been in bad times and it's these times that are now forging real men, real people of character, men or women, but real people of character and courage.

00:25:35.340 So I was at a event a couple of weeks ago, a PragerU event that Governor DeSantis spoke at.

00:25:40.620 And, you know, he goes up there and he just does his spiel.

00:25:43.000 And if you listen to it, it's just common sense. Right.

00:25:45.380 It's he's not saying anything extraordinary.

00:25:47.580 We're not going to let our kids be infected with racism in the name of non-racism.

00:25:51.820 We're not going to indoctrinate kids to think that they're the gender that they're not like basic stuff that we all knew five years ago.

00:25:58.500 And this guy that I sort of know came up to me after and he said, man, to just hear a little bit of honesty was so incredible.

00:26:07.160 And I think that's what we've all been starved from.

00:26:09.680 We've been we've been starved.

00:26:11.640 They have done our politicians and our and our media, our mainstream corporate press, whatever you want to call it.

00:26:17.520 And they've been in such dereliction of their duty.

00:26:20.940 Everything that they say, everything, when you and I wake up and we have to cover stories on our show, it's like, man, they lied about this.

00:26:28.240 They lied about this. They lied about this.

00:26:29.860 They lied about this. And then we have to spend so much time cleaning up lies that then by the time we clean it up, there's a new set of lies.

00:26:36.020 And I think that's what when I talk about a separation, what I mean is if you've already been fully brainwashed by MSNBC, if you've been fully brainwashed by The New York Times, it's not that we shouldn't try to rescue as many of those people as possible.

00:26:50.540 And I have great sympathy for them.

00:26:52.360 It's sad.

00:26:53.260 It's a horrible way to live.

00:26:54.180 It's a horrible way to live to be completely bamboozled, completely bamboozled because an entire system was set up to bamboozle you to ultimately take your stuff and make you again.

00:27:03.340 They diagnose that there is a system that is of oppression while they're building that system of oppression.

00:27:11.540 It's crazy.

00:27:12.620 You got to admire it.

00:27:13.420 It's a little right.

00:27:14.220 Do one of the things I talk about in the book is that in the original,

00:27:17.320 I think it was 1977 or 79 alien movie, the first alien movie, what does the doctor on the ship admire?

00:27:24.540 He admires the alien.

00:27:26.140 Now, why does he admire the alien?

00:27:27.900 Not because the alien is good.

00:27:29.480 He admires the alien because it is mercilessly doing what it set out to do.

00:27:33.720 It is killing everyone on that ship and it has no remorse and it has no morality and it's doing it.

00:27:39.160 And everyone on the ship is being killed.

00:27:41.240 And Ripley, Sigourney Weaver is like, what are you talking about?

00:27:43.860 But he's gone.

00:27:44.520 I admire it for the beauty of that.

00:27:48.180 And you shouldn't admire what it's doing.

00:27:50.040 And that's what I mean about the devil giving the devil his due with these people.

00:27:52.880 They've done a lot of that.

00:27:54.880 But now we can see it.

00:27:56.180 So it's like, you know what?

00:27:57.300 If you're watching this and your kid is 17 and he's a junior in high school,

00:28:01.540 maybe don't go $100,000 into debt so that he can get a degree in 18th century lesbian archery or something.

00:28:09.220 You know, like maybe don't do that.

00:28:11.160 And if you don't do that, you will actually start building a new world.

00:28:16.520 We have to let some of these things go.

00:28:18.300 And that's that's I think what the tension is right now.

00:28:20.900 The Internet changed things in such an incredible way that we cannot fathom.

00:28:24.740 We simply cannot fathom it.

00:28:26.480 So there's a tension between we're 20 years into, say, social media version of the Internet.

00:28:31.360 And all these tensions of new world and old world and the fact that our leaders, our political leaders, they're geriatric.

00:28:39.400 And these people are supposed to retire.

00:28:41.280 Nancy Pelosi should be a grandmother.

00:28:43.820 Joe Biden should be in a home.

00:28:45.500 But instead, they're still holding on.

00:28:47.720 And we need, say, a 43 year old guy from Florida who's just given us some common sense.

00:28:53.000 Yeah, it's amazing to me how old this Congress is.

00:28:56.840 And it is.

00:28:59.040 It again, it goes to the era, I think, that they were raised in that hippie generation of me, me, me.

00:29:06.220 It's all about me.

00:29:07.740 They cannot let go of power because it is all about them.

00:29:12.680 It's it's it's they have no faith in the next generation.

00:29:17.200 You know, by the time you get to be, you know, I'm 57, 58, you might get here.

00:29:24.480 You're starting to look at the next generation and going, that's great.

00:29:27.940 I want to help that.

00:29:28.900 I want to help these people, blah, blah, blah.

00:29:31.480 They're not doing that.

00:29:32.720 They're still iron fisting.

00:29:35.420 We're nothing's changed since 1960.

00:29:39.020 You know, get out of your house, get out of Washington and see the world.

00:29:44.440 It's dramatically.

00:29:45.400 What do you think sits behind that?

00:29:46.760 What do you think sits behind that?

00:29:47.820 Do you think that they're they actually think that they failed as a generation in a certain way that if they really were looking in the mirror, they might go, man, we we set up our kids to not know how to do any of this.

00:30:00.500 So so they feel this undue pressure that's on them.

00:30:03.100 Now, I don't think I don't think you don't think they're that.

00:30:05.200 No, they're self-aware.

00:30:06.200 No way.

00:30:07.140 No way.

00:30:07.620 Yeah.

00:30:07.800 So you think it's just this endless quest for power?

00:30:10.160 Someone like Pelosi, who is, you know, she's whatever she is.

00:30:12.840 She's 81 or something.

00:30:14.000 She's running for reelection again.

00:30:15.600 This woman who single handedly destroyed San Francisco, almost single handedly.

00:30:19.220 I'll give Gavin Newsom some credit.

00:30:20.540 You know, so they're sort of related.

00:30:21.980 Right.

00:30:22.140 So they're in tandem.

00:30:23.200 But, you know, she's running for reelection again.

00:30:26.700 Joe Biden.

00:30:27.240 We know everyone knows there is something wrong there.

00:30:31.020 Right.

00:30:31.460 I'm not a doctor.

00:30:32.440 I'm not Dr. Jill Biden.

00:30:33.980 But we all know there's something wrong.

00:30:36.020 We all you watch him wander around when he gets out of the helicopter and it looks like he's going to fall at any moment.

00:30:41.360 And then the hip goes and yada, yada, yada.

00:30:43.160 Of course, then we end up with Kamala and Pelosi.

00:30:45.780 So you got to be careful.

00:30:47.840 And either way, even if I disagreed with all of their policies, which at this point I do, he's still the pilot of the plane.

00:30:54.300 I still want the country to be in good shape.

00:30:56.040 I don't take any pleasure in this.

00:30:57.880 You know, we can we can make some silly jokes.

00:30:59.660 But the fact that they refuse to let go, they refuse, you know, our generation.

00:31:05.920 Right.

00:31:06.200 So you're sort of do you consider yourself at the sort of the top end of Gen X?

00:31:09.820 Right.

00:31:10.160 Yeah.

00:31:10.580 Right.

00:31:10.800 So you're sort of the last year of the boomer.

00:31:13.440 OK, so you're last year of boomer right into Gen X and I'm and I'm 45.

00:31:17.640 So I'm sort of square in the middle of Gen X.

00:31:19.580 So basically, between you at 57, 58 and then a little younger than me, say, 40, roughly 40, those are the people that should be in charge.

00:31:29.120 You have a little bit of knowledge.

00:31:30.680 You have your body is still working properly.

00:31:32.840 Your mind is still working properly.

00:31:34.800 You're still interested in new things, but you appreciate the old things.

00:31:38.020 Correct.

00:31:38.280 This is where we should be.

00:31:40.620 And none of us are running it.

00:31:43.580 Yeah.

00:31:43.900 Very few of us are running it.

00:31:45.580 The ones that are all in charge should have retired 20 years ago.

00:31:51.280 Yeah.

00:31:52.160 How are we in the most in the age of the biggest advances of all of human history?

00:32:01.260 We're going back to people who were born in 1938.

00:32:04.480 Well, let's go and give the people the good version of this, which is Elon Musk just got in the game.

00:32:10.600 He's somewhere in that age group.

00:32:12.340 Yeah.

00:32:12.520 Yeah.

00:32:12.660 Yeah.

00:32:12.800 Ron DeSantis in the game somewhere in that age group.

00:32:15.700 The judge, Judge Mazzell, who I just mentioned, 35.

00:32:18.540 I mean, she's even younger.

00:32:19.580 Yeah.

00:32:19.700 So there is something shifting.

00:32:21.880 The question is, how much damage can these people do as they let go of power?

00:32:27.060 And that gets to the disinformation thing that you're talking about.

00:32:28.860 Who's bringing this in?

00:32:30.140 It's Hillary.

00:32:31.560 So there's a couple of things here on this.

00:32:34.460 Let me finish the other example.

00:32:36.120 We had war.

00:32:36.660 The other example is when the Supreme Court comes back, if they come back with abortion, they come back the way I think they may come back.

00:32:46.040 Yeah.

00:32:46.220 The left is going to go insane and they will do everything they can to pack the court.

00:32:54.980 Follow that with an election.

00:32:57.360 If they don't win, they'll burn the country down.

00:33:02.340 You know, they will go insane.

00:33:06.060 How do we what do we do to prepare for these eventualities that they may not hopefully don't happen?

00:33:12.500 But.

00:33:13.540 Well, it's a great question.

00:33:14.600 I would say partly you should do what I did, which is make sure you live in a place that is somewhat aligned with your values.

00:33:22.480 Tell me the difference in that.

00:33:24.120 Oh, man.

00:33:24.600 I mean, I lived in Los Angeles, California, a place that at one time even Glenn Beck wanted to live because the weather is pretty great.

00:33:30.840 And there was something cool in Hollywood at one time before it went bananas.

00:33:34.820 You know, it's 75 and sunny every single day.

00:33:37.360 And that's that's pretty good.

00:33:38.780 That ain't nothing, you know.

00:33:39.820 So but over the eight years that I was there, first three years was fine.

00:33:44.580 And then it start, you know, then you'd see a little more homelessness, a little more drug use on the street, little more crime.

00:33:50.720 But then covid comes.

00:33:51.900 And next thing you know, there is rioting on the streets, broken windows everywhere.

00:33:56.640 Lockdown extraordinary, you know, just endless lockdowns.

00:33:59.320 It was it was lockdown after lockdown after lockdown coupled.

00:34:02.700 I mean, the one that really sort of set me off was the when the woman her name is Sheila Kuhl.

00:34:06.920 She's just a Los Angeles City Councilwoman when she was the deciding vote three to two to shut down outdoor dining in Los Angeles.

00:34:15.800 But she knew it wouldn't kick in for 24 hours.

00:34:18.480 So where did she go right after doing it?

00:34:20.980 She went to her favorite outdoor Italian restaurant in Santa Monica.

00:34:24.680 Actually, the very next day I attended a protest at her house.

00:34:28.120 I don't like the idea of protesting in people's houses.

00:34:30.020 That's where they happen to do it.

00:34:31.320 That's where I signed the recall for Gavin Newsom, which you had to do by hand.

00:34:35.520 You couldn't even do it online in the middle of a pandemic.

00:34:37.980 That's how they were really trying to make sure that you wouldn't that we wouldn't get this thing through.

00:34:42.020 You had to do it by hand.

00:34:43.120 And if your pen, if your pen touched either the line above or line below, that would automatically disqualify you.

00:34:49.640 I mean, they did everything possible to keep the machine going.

00:34:52.300 But what I realized in Los Angeles as riots were literally going by my house as I was being doxed and people were showing up at my house.

00:35:00.800 And I didn't have faith that the police were going to do anything.

00:35:03.140 And I got guns for the first time and all of these things.

00:35:05.480 I mean, my ideas got put to the test, right?

00:35:07.700 They really did.

00:35:08.660 And I'm very proud, actually, that I went where I was supposed to go.

00:35:13.600 I mean that physically, but I mean it mentally also that I went to the end of the road of the ideas.

00:35:18.220 And I tried to stay.

00:35:21.700 I said, I'll fight.

00:35:22.920 Our friend Larry Elder, I campaigned with him.

00:35:25.260 The recall obviously didn't go the right way.

00:35:27.120 Game changing.

00:35:28.180 You know, I'll tell you, a lot of people don't know about this.

00:35:30.280 You know who funded the most?

00:35:31.920 It's in the book.

00:35:32.760 Most of the ads against Larry Elder was Reed Hastings.

00:35:37.760 Reed Hastings, the CEO of Netflix.

00:35:40.240 So Netflix, another thing that's crumbling right now under its own woke nonsense.

00:35:43.780 Every time you turned on YouTube, if you lived in Cali, during the recall, it were the worst attacks on Larry.

00:35:52.820 White supremacist, all the usual nonsense.

00:35:56.520 One of the best human beings I've ever met.

00:35:58.560 I mean, you could only hope to be as good as this man.

00:36:03.320 But it was Netflix CEO Reed Hastings doing this.

00:36:07.600 And now Netflix is crumbling under wokeism, too.

00:36:09.920 So something is shifting.

00:36:11.660 But to fully answer your question, so then three months ago, I moved to Florida.

00:36:14.860 And man, the second the plane was landing, the second, and I was sitting in the cockpit.

00:36:19.040 I have a good friend who hooked us up so I wouldn't have to put my dog, you know, down below.

00:36:22.980 So we were on a private plane.

00:36:24.260 And I'm sitting in the cockpit.

00:36:25.540 And I kid you not, as that plane landed, I felt something lift off me.

00:36:29.880 I had been living.

00:36:30.740 That's amazing.

00:36:31.440 That's what people don't realize.

00:36:32.780 When you are living in a place that is really out of whack with your views.

00:36:36.160 When I'd walk into a supermarket and I would try not to wear a mask and I'd get yelled at.

00:36:41.360 And then I'd put it on and then I'd put it below my nose for a second.

00:36:43.880 I'd get yelled at again.

00:36:45.940 And it just never ended.

00:36:47.060 And people didn't want their dogs to say hi on the street.

00:36:49.220 I mean, it really was a mental condition.

00:36:51.720 I was always more worried about the mental virus than the actual virus.

00:36:54.940 I really was.

00:36:55.660 Especially after the two weeks.

00:36:57.240 I grant everybody a long leash on those first two weeks.

00:37:00.740 I'll even give you a month.

00:37:03.080 Six weeks.

00:37:03.900 I'll even give you that.

00:37:05.440 After that, there's a problem here.

00:37:07.960 Well, after that, then what do they keep saying?

00:37:09.420 They kept saying, well, welcome to the new normal.

00:37:11.020 And that's when I knew something really was afoot.

00:37:13.020 Because it's like, wait a minute.

00:37:13.840 You guys just conceded a whole bunch of stuff.

00:37:16.640 You just let go of a couple thousand years of churning through a lot of good ideas to the new normal.

00:37:22.420 And we'll sit alone in our room all day long and pretend that we're tolerant.

00:37:26.200 It was the new normal.

00:37:27.540 Then it became the great reset.

00:37:28.980 And then it was the new normal again.

00:37:30.900 There was a very short period.

00:37:32.300 And that's when I started getting on the great reset.

00:37:34.020 I'm like, wait a minute.

00:37:34.600 Why are they all saying the great reset?

00:37:36.120 Why is that happening?

00:37:37.740 Because we're never going to go back to what we think is normal at all.

00:37:41.900 Do you ever get tired of being ahead of the curve?

00:37:43.800 Yeah, I do, actually.

00:37:45.300 That's where I do a little bit.

00:37:46.120 You don't drink.

00:37:47.080 That's the thing.

00:37:47.620 You don't drink.

00:37:48.300 I wasted all those blackouts.

00:37:50.160 Don't do that.

00:37:50.760 The reason why I brought up courage at the very beginning is because I have so enjoyed our friendship and so enjoyed watching you.

00:38:06.540 At one point, some conservatives said to me, you can't do anything with Dave Rubin.

00:38:18.460 You can't.

00:38:18.860 This is like right after, you know, the first time I'm on your show.

00:38:22.620 And I'm like, Dave, we have a lot in common.

00:38:24.740 But we still didn't trust each other.

00:38:25.960 And they said, don't trust him.

00:38:32.020 You can't trust.

00:38:33.340 And I said, why do you say that?

00:38:36.780 He said, first of all, he's pro-choice.

00:38:40.920 And I said, uh-huh.

00:38:43.420 So was I for a long time.

00:38:46.440 And I said, you watch.

00:38:48.280 I said, he has the intellectual curiosity and courage to travel down that road all the way to the end.

00:38:58.220 And he's not going to be stopped by, I don't want to believe that.

00:39:02.880 I don't want it.

00:39:03.560 You know what I mean?

00:39:04.180 Yeah.

00:39:04.500 That takes tremendous courage.

00:39:07.100 Tell me about that journey that you have taken and the times.

00:39:11.960 Have you hit a time where you're like, oh, crap.

00:39:14.040 I don't want to be that guy.

00:39:15.260 I don't want to believe that.

00:39:16.460 I think everyone has that moment.

00:39:18.880 If you're going to be honest about the issues and if you're going to really, if you have some factory settings, right, if you have those factory settings of just sort of default leftism, which is what most people in America grow up with, culture just teaches you this sort of basic set of binaries that don't really make any sense.

00:39:35.460 Democrats are good.

00:39:36.400 Republicans are bad.

00:39:37.840 Lefties are for peace.

00:39:39.440 And, you know, people on the right care about war.

00:39:41.400 These people care about poor people.

00:39:42.760 These people care about money.

00:39:43.700 It's just a bunch of nonsense.

00:39:44.720 But the entire culture, our movies, our TV, all of the stuff teaches you that.

00:39:49.140 Now, I do think that's starting to shift because of all the reasons that we're talking about.

00:39:52.560 But if you're going to honestly go down the road, and I think the thing that put me on the map was I just was willing to do it.

00:39:58.220 I don't know where that comes from.

00:39:59.620 Right.

00:39:59.760 So I don't know fully where I was, why I was just willing to do it.

00:40:03.900 But I guess what it was, was.

00:40:05.760 Wait, can we stop there for a second?

00:40:07.080 Yeah.

00:40:07.400 That concerns me.

00:40:08.720 I was talking to a very well-known capitalist who is just a rule breaker, you know, a small version of Elon Musk.

00:40:18.220 And he said, Glenn, what have we been teaching people?

00:40:24.360 Everybody gets a trophy.

00:40:25.620 There's no losers.

00:40:26.560 There's no risk.

00:40:27.520 You could get hurt.

00:40:28.560 Don't worry.

00:40:29.140 I'll protect you.

00:40:30.100 He said, this generation is completely incompatible with a free market, with success.

00:40:37.860 With reality.

00:40:38.620 With reality.

00:40:39.160 It won't work because they won't, for you to say, you're a risk taker, for you to say, I got to rethink things.

00:40:50.280 That is, to me, that was one of the biggest risks I've ever taken because I'm afraid, what will I believe in the end?

00:40:58.680 What do I believe?

00:40:59.780 Is my life based on lies?

00:41:02.980 Where is it going to take me?

00:41:04.460 You know nothing when you start on the journey you were on.

00:41:07.520 Well, part of it was that I guess I just trusted my instinct.

00:41:11.220 A good buddy of mine, my best friend now in life, who's been acting as my tour manager on this tour, we met the first day of kindergarten.

00:41:20.180 And I remember meeting him in kindergarten class.

00:41:22.260 You've met him.

00:41:23.280 And my buddy John.

00:41:24.700 And he always said to me, Dave, you have to trust your gut until it goes so horrifically awry that you then can rethink things.

00:41:31.380 And I think that really got me when he said it to me at some point, probably drunk at 19 or something when he said it to me.

00:41:37.580 But it really stuck with me.

00:41:38.640 And so when that Larry Elder moment, when that famous moment when Larry Elder and I got into it about systemic racism and now it's been seen probably 100 million times and, you know, black conservative destroys libtard.

00:41:49.520 And they always put libtard in caps and it hurts, man.

00:41:52.700 It hurts.

00:41:53.100 But when that moment happened, when that moment happened and I didn't, I didn't edit it out.

00:41:58.320 Right.

00:41:58.520 I told my guys, we must leave it in.

00:42:00.320 We must.

00:42:00.800 That's something real happened.

00:42:02.260 All my entire staff at the time, because I was on a network.

00:42:04.560 It was before I was independent.

00:42:06.280 They said, no, we got to take that.

00:42:07.300 And I said, no, we have to.

00:42:08.140 I just, it just, something came out of me.

00:42:09.780 I just said, no, we got to do it.

00:42:11.020 Well, once that moment happened, that was the first part of getting over the hump.

00:42:14.660 But then what happened subsequently after?

00:42:16.980 Well, then I said, all right, I've talked to this Larry Elder guy.

00:42:19.220 I was told he was a bad dude.

00:42:20.480 Let me see if I can talk to some of these other supposedly bad dudes.

00:42:23.740 And I talked to Ben Shapiro and I talked to Dennis Prager and then I talked to Glenn Beck.

00:42:28.900 And then next thing I know, even though, I mean, the first time you came in, we debated

00:42:32.280 death penalty.

00:42:33.260 We debated abortion.

00:42:34.980 I'm sure a few other things.

00:42:37.100 I do think, and I'm happy to talk about anything, obviously with you, that our differences have

00:42:41.600 definitely narrowed for sure.

00:42:44.940 But what I realized was when you walked out of my house that day, not only you were a nice

00:42:49.220 guy, but it was like, you reveled in the idea that we could have some differences.

00:42:53.200 You loved it.

00:42:53.900 You absolutely loved it.

00:42:55.460 It sharpens the knife.

00:42:56.640 And that's the interesting one.

00:42:57.700 So in the first book, you know, most of my audience is conservative at this point.

00:43:02.460 That just is what it is.

00:43:04.540 I take a begrudging pro-choice stance because I believe that you have to have a few weeks.

00:43:10.520 I'm not denying that it's life.

00:43:11.820 So I'm not denying science.

00:43:13.120 Trust me.

00:43:13.500 I think we're the same.

00:43:14.380 No, I know we're the same place, which for you is, is, is harder even than me because

00:43:18.960 of, of some of the base of support.

00:43:20.700 But, but otherwise, what are we?

00:43:22.880 I know if we refuse to say what I get to a point, David, I think we've talked about this

00:43:26.440 on other issues.

00:43:27.120 I get to a point to where I don't know how to solve it.

00:43:32.920 Yeah.

00:43:33.220 You know what I mean?

00:43:33.620 I am not going to look at my daughter who has been violently raped and she just couldn't

00:43:40.980 bring herself to tell me about it for eight weeks and just hoping, because that's what

00:43:46.240 people do, hoping it will go away.

00:43:48.160 Yeah.

00:43:48.580 I, I will say to my daughter, honey, it's life.

00:43:53.660 The baby did not do that.

00:43:55.540 However, I am not going to condemn you because I'm not in that situation.

00:44:02.900 And I may pay for that at the golden gate.

00:44:05.300 He may say, you know what?

00:44:06.180 That was wrong.

00:44:07.260 But I don't know how to balance my compassion along with, you know, my conviction that it

00:44:17.200 is life.

00:44:18.360 And so you get to a point to where you're like, I, I, it's, it's as far as I can go to where

00:44:24.220 I can personally say, I would do this.

00:44:28.780 And I know I wouldn't condemn my daughter.

00:44:32.240 I wouldn't, I would advise, I would hope I'd hold her hand.

00:44:36.200 I'd be with her every step of the way.

00:44:38.520 I wouldn't probably go for the abortion, but I probably would think about it if she was

00:44:43.740 like horribly raped and horribly scarred.

00:44:46.720 I probably, I probably would.

00:44:48.640 So what you're doing right there is a very honest thing that we all do, except our politics

00:44:53.780 isn't very good at, which is you're, you're acknowledging that your heart and your head

00:44:57.920 meet somewhere.

00:44:59.380 Yeah.

00:44:59.700 And somewhere where they meet sometimes is a little closer to the heart.

00:45:03.340 You're thinking of your daughter.

00:45:04.780 Sometimes it's a little closer to the head where you're thinking, but this is still a

00:45:07.860 life.

00:45:08.120 And I believe it's a life.

00:45:09.540 And we don't have to go too far down the road of, of all of the things about abortion.

00:45:13.260 But I can tell you that, you know, as you know, we're, we're going through surrogacy

00:45:17.160 right now.

00:45:17.600 And when you do IVF, they take a sperm and they take an egg.

00:45:21.800 I know this is very controversial for the lefties because it involves science.

00:45:24.600 Well, man can, you know, lay eggs too.

00:45:29.540 But they put these things together.

00:45:31.760 Okay.

00:45:32.240 And then literally one day later, they can tell you if it's a male or female.

00:45:37.620 Now, how can you possibly tell me that it is not life if my doctor who I've ever

00:45:43.240 either, he's either a mad scientist and a complete psychopath, or he's actually a pretty

00:45:47.180 damn good fertility doctor.

00:45:48.240 We don't even have to do that for humans.

00:45:50.420 Yeah.

00:45:50.660 We talk about, is there life on Mars?

00:45:54.580 Yeah.

00:45:55.280 Okay.

00:45:55.720 We're talking microscopic life, but we call it life.

00:46:01.120 Anyway, you have, you've, I don't know how to phrase this because you were, I believe

00:46:10.080 you were an atheist.

00:46:10.940 Then you were agnostic.

00:46:12.200 Yeah.

00:46:12.400 Which I think is the best honest position, you know, you can never prove or whatever.

00:46:17.900 Yeah.

00:46:19.200 And now you've rediscovered your faith, but you've always been receptive to the rituals

00:46:26.800 of faith.

00:46:27.920 Right.

00:46:29.540 But do you actually now recognize God and the miracles of, you know, Moses and all that

00:46:36.680 stuff?

00:46:36.940 Or where are you on that?

00:46:37.980 I can tell you as we're doing this only about two weeks after Easter and Passover, I can

00:46:42.940 tell you that doing the Seder with my family, which Jews have been doing for thousands and

00:46:46.900 thousands of years.

00:46:47.660 And it had a little something to do with that last supper that, that Jesus guy was part

00:46:51.000 of, um, that I really felt something this year that I, that not that I hadn't felt before,

00:46:57.560 but something that felt much more meaningful to me, which was the truth I was getting from

00:47:01.740 the story.

00:47:02.360 The four questions, all of it, the truth I was getting from that, of what Exodus means of, of

00:47:10.180 freedom.

00:47:10.980 I mean, the Passover story is the ultimate story of freedom in essence.

00:47:13.680 It is fighting, fighting a tyrant, first anti-slavery message.

00:47:17.980 It is the, it is the story that if, if the left in America was honest about what they're,

00:47:24.860 what they really, if they're really about freedom, that's the story they should be telling,

00:47:28.140 but they hate that story because it's attached to religion.

00:47:30.000 Right.

00:47:30.320 And they think religious people are backwards and everything else.

00:47:32.480 But when the, when the Seder ended, I actually, I turned to my dad, I said, man, this had more

00:47:38.760 truth in it than anything we hear in a, in a modern context.

00:47:42.900 We are bludgeoned with nonsense.

00:47:44.460 We can do all of it.

00:47:45.420 The boys are girls.

00:47:46.180 The two plus two is five, all of the stuff.

00:47:47.980 We are bludgeoned with such irrelevant, confusing, intentionally conflating nonsense all the time

00:47:53.200 that those things, there's a reason I could do it from a Jewish perspective that there's

00:47:58.460 a reason that Jews are still here.

00:47:59.840 It doesn't make a lot of sense.

00:48:00.960 Actually, there's an awful lot of cultures that have been through far less that are all

00:48:05.240 gone somehow, despite pogroms and inquisitions and Holocausts that were only two generations

00:48:11.080 off of somehow there's still some Jews here and it had something to do with believing in

00:48:16.440 something and keeping those traditions alive and all of those things.

00:48:19.000 It also had something to do with universal truth that maybe you didn't even understand

00:48:23.620 at the time.

00:48:24.260 But it's there either way.

00:48:25.100 Washing that, yes.

00:48:25.820 Washing your hands.

00:48:26.900 Yes.

00:48:27.500 The reason why the Jews were some, in some places blamed for the plague is because they

00:48:31.860 weren't getting sick.

00:48:32.840 Yeah.

00:48:33.100 Because they were washing their hands out of respect for God.

00:48:37.020 You know what I mean?

00:48:37.720 God told us to do that.

00:48:39.380 Everybody else was not.

00:48:41.480 There are-

00:48:42.200 Not eating certain foods that got people sick.

00:48:44.060 Yeah, there are universal truths that are just true.

00:48:49.760 Can I give you one other line on the God thing that I think is very powerful?

00:48:52.920 Maybe you saw this, you know, obviously, as you know, I toured with Jordan Peterson and

00:48:56.840 he would often, people would always ask him, but do you really believe in God?

00:49:00.100 What do you really believe?

00:49:01.960 And Jordan's best answer on this, I think, is probably something that regardless of whether

00:49:06.820 you're a Mormon or a Jew or an evangelical Christian or something that we can all kind

00:49:11.040 of get on, which is he said that when he was in his early 20s, he started telling the

00:49:15.220 truth for truth's sake in that he believed that if he told the truth, not that necessarily

00:49:20.060 good things would happen, but it would be the best outcome no matter what, that automatically

00:49:24.900 by definition, by the very virtue of saying something true, it would have to be better

00:49:30.020 than saying something that was a lie.

00:49:31.440 So if you thought you could lie for a good reason, no, that ultimately truth for truth's

00:49:36.340 sake.

00:49:37.060 And then he said, and this is the part that brings it to faith.

00:49:39.280 He said, that's the ultimate act of faith because there's no reason, there's no logical

00:49:44.300 reason to say, oh, I believe in truth and I'm going to say the truth and thus that's going

00:49:49.660 to do something good.

00:49:51.060 So, so saying truth matters is an act of faith.

00:49:54.220 If you, if you actually act it out now, I'm not going to sit here and pretend that, that

00:49:57.440 I do that every second of the day, I try my damnedest and really do.

00:50:00.420 And I think I'm doing a better job of it now than I've ever done in my life.

00:50:03.640 But that notion, and then you can attach that to whatever your religious beliefs are, whatever

00:50:09.140 your religious stories are, whatever your traditional stories are and your family's

00:50:12.880 practices and things like that.

00:50:14.220 I think if you can do some version of putting those things together, you'll, you'll be to

00:50:19.500 get it back to where we started.

00:50:20.280 You'll be roughly sane.

00:50:21.360 Yeah.

00:50:22.560 Let me, let me take you to something.

00:50:25.640 I did a chalkboard the other day on the slippery slope of how we have quickly gotten here.

00:50:33.440 And I tried to explain this to my daughter when she was in college and she was being filled

00:50:39.920 by a university who was asking me to help them build a library.

00:50:43.340 Um, they were at the same time, they were holding rallies against me saying I was a bigot

00:50:48.880 and racist, but, um, uh, they, the idea of gay marriage, I've never been against.

00:50:57.740 Cause I just don't think the government has any place in it.

00:51:01.900 Okay.

00:51:02.620 I'm not going to tell you, you can't get married.

00:51:04.860 Don't tell my church that I have to marry.

00:51:07.540 And I'm not going to force you to marry a dude.

00:51:09.260 Right.

00:51:09.600 We're good.

00:51:10.060 We're good.

00:51:10.540 Um, and I said to my daughter, I said, I agree that gay people can be married, whatever

00:51:20.640 government is the issue there.

00:51:22.760 But everybody was making this about the government and, you know, uh, and, and then it was twisted

00:51:29.540 into not definitely not the government.

00:51:32.480 It's love.

00:51:33.860 Well, of course, love always wins.

00:51:35.840 Okay.

00:51:36.320 However, I told her at this, at the start, I said, honey, we're not talking about gay

00:51:41.720 people.

00:51:42.800 We're talking about organizations that are making money.

00:51:47.160 Yes.

00:51:47.600 And want power.

00:51:49.260 So it's not gay people.

00:51:51.200 And I said, you watch it.

00:51:53.780 This will erode all of these things.

00:51:56.720 Okay.

00:51:57.720 And so I just, just off the top of my head, we had gay marriage.

00:52:01.600 Then you had to, then you were sued if you didn't make a wedding cake, then you were sued

00:52:06.020 if you wouldn't take a picture.

00:52:08.100 Then we had the non-gender bathrooms in target.

00:52:12.160 And I remember having the argument going, really, how many people does this affect really?

00:52:17.040 And we were only talking about the bathrooms right then.

00:52:20.540 Um, then we, we, uh, had abortion gone from safe and rare to shout your abortion, post-birth

00:52:30.240 abortion, right?

00:52:31.160 Post-birth abortion.

00:52:32.240 Then I don't know anybody who doesn't have compassion for Caitlyn Jenner and anyone who's

00:52:39.000 living their life going through those things in their head.

00:52:41.660 Yeah.

00:52:42.180 Totally.

00:52:42.720 But we went from forget about passion.

00:52:45.740 She's beautiful, right?

00:52:47.360 Right.

00:52:47.800 She's beautiful, right?

00:52:49.000 The most beautiful woman you've ever seen, right?

00:52:51.640 Um, now to, there is no gender to teaching our children in kindergarten about transgender

00:53:02.640 when they don't even understand what any of it means.

00:53:07.980 All of it is just where I mean, I think this slippery slope thing, we can finally say, yes,

00:53:15.060 it's real.

00:53:15.520 It's real.

00:53:16.180 It's real.

00:53:17.380 And that gets back to what I said about the failure of liberalism, the tolerance of intolerance

00:53:23.380 that they used.

00:53:25.480 Let's put it this way.

00:53:26.420 Where did you want the slippery?

00:53:27.600 Where did you want this to end?

00:53:28.660 You wanted it to end.

00:53:29.700 I can't put words into your mouth, but I think I know you well enough.

00:53:31.620 Where do you want all this to end?

00:53:32.520 You want it to end with equality for everyone, right?

00:53:34.360 Yeah.

00:53:34.620 That's what you wanted.

00:53:35.620 And gays got there.

00:53:37.000 The second the Supreme Court dealt with the gay marriage thing, there were no laws in America

00:53:40.920 that stopped gay people from doing anything.

00:53:42.720 You could enter the exact same contract that a straight couple, a heterosexual couple could.

00:53:47.600 And then if there had been any ancillary things that were still around or maybe in some states

00:53:51.920 or whatever, then we should look at those things.

00:53:54.160 But in essence, there was nothing left.

00:53:56.020 But they couldn't leave well enough alone.

00:53:58.080 And you brought up that there's a machinery here.

00:54:00.160 There are organizations, the Human Rights Campaign and GLAAD and these things.

00:54:03.700 You know, Chris Rock did a joke in one of his specials from 20 years ago.

00:54:07.940 The cops need a certain amount of crime, meaning they need a certain amount of perceived hate

00:54:13.440 because I don't even think it's really hate.

00:54:15.080 I can tell you after touring for the last two weeks and sold out shows all over the country,

00:54:19.340 my audiences are conservative.

00:54:20.820 I'm being given baby gifts everywhere I go.

00:54:22.900 Ron DeSantis sent me two baby onesies after I met him.

00:54:26.380 I mean, this is the guy who's the poster child for homophobia in America right now.

00:54:29.880 Our friendship, like these things are not real.

00:54:32.200 And that's not to say that people aren't entitled to their own religious beliefs.

00:54:36.360 Of course they are.

00:54:37.160 And I believe in religious liberty and I would never force a church or a synagogue or a mosque

00:54:41.300 to have a gay wedding.

00:54:43.500 Although ironically, Ilhan Omar goes to a mosque where obviously they don't perform gay weddings,

00:54:48.420 but somehow that doesn't really get talked about for whatever reasons, right?

00:54:52.900 So, so you're right about the slippery slope because they couldn't leave well enough alone.

00:54:56.940 And this is the challenge of America right now.

00:54:59.240 Once you get to equality, they flipped it on us and they said equity.

00:55:03.360 And that's the problem.

00:55:04.820 So, so what, because I've been thinking about this a lot.

00:55:09.660 I have a lot of gay friends and none of them are freight train crazy, you know, on,

00:55:17.280 we got to teach your three-year-old that he might be a girl.

00:55:22.180 No, I don't know any gay person personally now.

00:55:26.300 I mean, you know, I'm not hanging out with people who are generally socially liberal.

00:55:30.960 So it's not a surprise.

00:55:32.280 But, but, but that's, but what your gay friends are exposed are expressing is what most people think.

00:55:40.320 Right.

00:55:40.920 So, so because I felt that was true, I think gay people, because I know a lot of gay people who were for gay marriage,

00:55:49.320 wanted that to go through, celebrated that, thought it was great.

00:55:52.360 But they were also like, can we calm down a bit?

00:55:54.920 Yeah.

00:55:55.100 You know, can we just calm down?

00:55:57.040 And now that it's, I mean, it's bat crap crazy what's going on now.

00:56:03.600 Yeah.

00:56:04.420 Where are the, the strong opinionated gays who are not necessarily conservative that will just stand up and go, can we stop?

00:56:21.340 They're there, but they're afraid.

00:56:26.300 And that is the virus that we've been confronted with, right?

00:56:29.700 The virus that has infected everything has been a virus of fear that good people just don't stand up and say the right thing.

00:56:35.020 If you were to go back to the Stonewall riots in the seventies, what were the people rioting about?

00:56:39.720 They weren't rioting so that they could teach gender identity to three-year-olds and five-year-olds in schools.

00:56:45.680 They were rioting because A, they, they wanted equality in terms of marriage,

00:56:49.180 but it was really because they wanted to be able to go to bars that weren't underground where the cops were going to come and arrest them for having consensual relationships with adults.

00:56:57.040 So if you were to say to the average, say 25 year old who was in West village, 1977 at the Stonewall riot, if they were being honest, Hey, what were you, what were you upset about then?

00:57:07.900 Well, we wanted equality.

00:57:08.920 That's what everyone would say.

00:57:10.080 Now, if you were to take that person and now they're, you know, 65 or something, I would hope that that's what they would be saying, but they're probably just not saying it that loudly.

00:57:18.000 But it's, it's this, I have no good answer for this.

00:57:21.040 It's a, it's a really, uh, it's a tough one because conversations, do you hear it among your gay friends that like, this is crazy that there's no such thing as a man or a woman.

00:57:31.780 That's crazy.

00:57:32.600 Of course.

00:57:33.320 Of course.

00:57:33.660 Because also, you know, the next part of this is that it's, it's actually, the trans thing is actually rabidly anti gay.

00:57:39.620 I think we might've discussed this once, but if you were to take a five-year-old boy and let's say he's a little more effeminate.

00:57:46.200 So instead of playing with GI Joe or transformers, which by the way, I played with and then I'm gay.

00:57:51.540 Okay.

00:57:51.900 It doesn't matter.

00:57:52.680 But, but so there are, you know, there's all sorts of people.

00:57:54.720 There are, there are heterosexual men who are more effeminate and more loving and whatever, but they happen to be straight.

00:57:59.820 And then there are gay guys who are out in the woods, wrestling bears.

00:58:03.900 I know guys.

00:58:04.640 I have friends that are like, come on, man.

00:58:06.420 Yeah.

00:58:06.640 Come on.

00:58:07.140 I mean, really?

00:58:08.260 You're not gay.

00:58:09.100 Cause they're very flamboyant.

00:58:11.600 No, they're not.

00:58:12.300 They're straight.

00:58:13.220 And that's, that's a beautiful thing.

00:58:14.840 Right.

00:58:15.020 You're not going to believe it, Glenn.

00:58:16.220 Humans are a really rich tapestry of all kinds of craziness.

00:58:20.340 It's nuts, right?

00:58:21.080 The human condition is really complex.

00:58:22.740 Yeah.

00:58:23.040 Shouldn't stereotype.

00:58:23.980 It's wild.

00:58:24.960 Yeah.

00:58:25.320 Crazy.

00:58:25.660 But, but really think about this.

00:58:26.900 So now you take a five-year-old, a five-year-old in 2022, and this five-year-old plays with Barbies and is a little more effeminate, whatever that means.

00:58:34.080 What would happen to that kid in school now we know, which is that the teacher most likely would encourage, or even the parent would encourage them to start talking about gender identity.

00:58:44.400 Oh, oh, you're a, well, you are a boy, but you, you feel like a girl, don't you?

00:58:48.000 And then blah, blah, blah.

00:58:49.440 We're two years down the road.

00:58:50.760 We're four years down the road.

00:58:52.080 And Abigail Schreier wrote an incredible book about this irreversible damage that then they are literally transitioning this boy into being a girl with puberty blockers and the rest of it.

00:59:03.360 And then ultimately it will lead to chemical castration and the whole thing.

00:59:06.280 And most likely what that boy was, was just going to grow up to be hopefully a functional gay man.

00:59:11.720 And that's it.

00:59:12.640 So it's actually anti-gay.

00:59:15.080 I mean, that's the thing.

00:59:16.160 It's also anti-women.

00:59:16.800 And it's anti-women because you've got Leah Thomas.

00:59:19.320 Yeah.

00:59:19.600 Who, by the way, has male genitalia still.

00:59:21.880 Yeah.

00:59:22.580 And have you seen the time-lapse?

00:59:23.940 I mean, people show you all sorts of videos with her.

00:59:25.960 There's an, did you see it?

00:59:27.240 There's a time-lapse where they show you the race.

00:59:29.280 So, you know, there's just a camera on the race.

00:59:31.140 And when you see the time-lapse, how he, she, whatever, is just blowing past all of those women.

00:59:37.600 You're like, you know, we all know it.

00:59:40.020 That's the thing.

00:59:40.760 We know it's not right.

00:59:41.820 You know, if this isn't about being transsexual or different, if this were reversed and girls said, and I'm sure there are, but I want to play football.

00:59:52.960 I wouldn't care at all if they wanted to play football.

00:59:57.960 What I would say is, can we protect her?

01:00:01.580 Right.

01:00:01.820 Because she's, I mean, she may be built differently, but probably not.

01:00:05.560 Those I see in high school with my son playing.

01:00:09.040 And I'm like, that guy is enormous.

01:00:11.020 He's going to kill you.

01:00:12.920 Broken arms, broken legs, broken ankles.

01:00:15.460 That was last season in my son's little school.

01:00:19.480 Do you know what I mean?

01:00:20.200 Right.

01:00:20.360 Girls are physically not as big as, as boys are.

01:00:28.060 It's just reality.

01:00:29.420 It's reality.

01:00:30.460 It has nothing to do with anything.

01:00:32.440 So why is it, why can't I say that to protect my daughter?

01:00:38.840 And why do I have to not protect my daughter there or protect my daughter over here?

01:00:45.720 She's worked her whole life.

01:00:46.940 She doesn't have a chance to win against this person.

01:00:51.260 Where does this all end?

01:00:52.360 You know where this ends?

01:00:53.200 This ends with a washed up.

01:00:55.200 I kid you not.

01:00:55.800 This is what's going to happen within two years.

01:00:57.820 There is going to be a washed up six foot seven NBA player who is a marginal two point a game scorer who barely got off the bench, who is going to say, I am a woman.

01:01:09.520 And you know what's going to happen?

01:01:10.820 He's going to play in the WNBA and he's going to score 45 points a game in 20 minutes, crush all the women.

01:01:17.520 And then the modern feminists will applaud as women are being dunked on by a very average athlete.

01:01:25.460 But again, when you go to the slippery slope thing, you just have to take it all to its logical conclusion.

01:01:29.400 That is the logical conclusion of this.

01:01:31.440 If you believe that your mental state, whatever you feel in your head overrides your biology, and that's not to deny, I can only imagine, because I can only imagine what that would be like to feel, to truly feel that you are in the wrong body.

01:01:48.260 I can't, I really genuinely can't imagine it, but that doesn't mean we should sacrifice everyone else in the name of whatever is going on with you.

01:01:57.760 But we've, unfortunately, with all the trophies and everything else, we've raised a generation of people that think the world has to bend to them as opposed to having to fit into a very complex world.

01:02:10.160 There was a story that came out about a sheriff in Florida.

01:02:14.580 I'm sure you saw it.

01:02:15.680 I'm trying to remember what city it's in, but there was a string of burglaries.

01:02:20.780 This guy, this burglar, has been knocking off houses for like 10 years, and they keep arresting him.

01:02:27.020 They lead him out, and he knocks off houses again.

01:02:30.460 Well, he, last few days, last week, was in a string of burglaries, and he hit like four or five houses.

01:02:39.160 One of the homeowners was home and shot him, but didn't kill him, but shot him, okay?

01:02:45.680 And the sheriff comes out, and they've arrested this kid.

01:02:51.980 He's 21.

01:02:53.220 He's got a crime record since he was 13.

01:02:55.260 And the sheriff said, look, we don't know which homeowner shot him, because I think that they think they did something wrong.

01:03:05.680 But in this county, the residual rate of a dead burglar is zero.

01:03:12.060 And I cheered for what he was saying.

01:03:15.220 He's like, you know what?

01:03:16.060 But if you don't mind, you did nothing wrong.

01:03:19.420 You know, you have all the right, if they're in your house, to shoot them.

01:03:23.080 And the only thing I would say is come to our shooting classes on Saturday, because you would have saved the taxpayers a lot of money on this guy.

01:03:32.340 And that's horrible to say.

01:03:35.260 However, this is the Yellowstone factor.

01:03:39.940 You watch Yellowstone?

01:03:40.920 I don't.

01:03:41.320 But I don't.

01:03:41.780 I know.

01:03:42.180 I know.

01:03:42.740 It's on the list.

01:03:43.360 It's on the list.

01:03:44.200 It's on the list.

01:03:44.740 So you watch Yellowstone, and these guys are killers.

01:03:49.220 The family, they're mobsters, okay?

01:03:52.400 However, it's all couched in common sense.

01:03:55.800 Yes.

01:03:56.100 You know the government's not going to do anything.

01:03:57.920 You know they're going to come in here and take our land.

01:04:00.460 You know what that's about.

01:04:02.340 You know what I mean?

01:04:02.900 Yeah.

01:04:03.180 And so America is coming to this place, and Hollywood knows it.

01:04:08.040 Yes.

01:04:08.300 America is in this place where we are not at the place where we are taking it into our own hands.

01:04:15.560 But we're at the place where we look at people and go, yeah, damn right.

01:04:21.000 Good for you.

01:04:22.000 Good for you.

01:04:23.180 I know a hell of a lot of Hollywood liberals who would not want me to say their name right now that bought guns in the last two years.

01:04:30.440 A whole bunch of people that I'll tell you after.

01:04:33.320 And that would shock you.

01:04:34.360 But it wouldn't shock you because you know that these, at the end of the day, people usually do what they're forced into doing.

01:04:41.100 If they can't get there on their own, at some point when the riots go and buy your fancy house in Beverly Hills, you might go, ah, you know, I keep calling the police and nobody's showing up or we've defunded the police or whatever else.

01:04:51.640 But, you know, the Yellowstone thing, although I didn't see it, I know a bit about the show.

01:04:55.200 And it sort of reminds me of The Sopranos in a sense because why do you love Tony Soprano and why do we love Mafia?

01:05:02.260 I mean, Goodfellas is probably my favorite movie of all time because, you know, all the movies, right?

01:05:06.160 Godfather.

01:05:06.940 Why do we love these characters?

01:05:08.180 They're doing horrible things.

01:05:09.840 Horrible things.

01:05:10.420 They're murdering all sorts of people.

01:05:12.080 They're selling drugs.

01:05:13.040 They're doing all sorts of illegal stuff.

01:05:15.400 But there is a code that they're living by.

01:05:17.400 Exactly right.

01:05:17.820 And that's a hell of a lot better than no code.

01:05:19.840 Did you see, did you see that Putin, I'm sorry.

01:05:23.040 No, there was several suicides of entire families.

01:05:27.040 Yes, yes, yes.

01:05:27.740 Quite rather extraordinary.

01:05:29.460 Right.

01:05:30.080 What a trend that is.

01:05:32.380 And I thought to myself, you know, this is a horrible thought.

01:05:36.000 But when did the mob kill children?

01:05:41.180 You know what I mean?

01:05:42.380 We like these people because leave the family out of it, man.

01:05:46.500 Leave the family.

01:05:47.160 This is business.

01:05:48.360 You know what I mean?

01:05:49.080 Well, look, there's a silver lining in what you're saying right there because now they're going after the kids.

01:05:53.340 Right.

01:05:53.560 So the left's going after the kids when they're literally, I mean, did you see the video just in the last day or two?

01:05:57.600 Joe Biden said, when your kids are at school, they're yours.

01:06:00.420 What do you say?

01:06:00.760 They're yours, meaning they're the teachers.

01:06:02.380 Yeah.

01:06:03.040 I'm not a parent yet, but I know that is not true.

01:06:05.120 No, it is not true.

01:06:05.500 And there is no way in high hell that I will ever send my child.

01:06:08.960 So that's where I think the overreach, look, the overreach led to Glenn Youngkin.

01:06:13.420 Glenn Youngkin was not supposed to win.

01:06:14.740 And it was only until two weeks before the election that he said no more CRT, no more of this BS abusing our kids in a national level.

01:06:22.860 I see that locally, but I see the Republicans doing nothing.

01:06:28.360 I mean, this is the greatest opportunity ever.

01:06:31.880 And they should be saying, man, we're going to we're going to dismantle the Department of Education.

01:06:37.320 We're going to do these investigations and actually someone will pay for it.

01:06:41.900 And one of those is what the hell happened during covid?

01:06:44.740 You know, they could really make some common ground that I think a lot of Americans would agree with.

01:06:52.040 So when you say they, I think the missing piece to the day, and I think we'll find out probably within the next three months, something like that, is there's no leader of the Republicans right now.

01:07:00.900 There's no true leader.

01:07:01.780 Is Trump still the leader or has the ship sailed on that and it's going to be DeSantis or or it's going to be something else?

01:07:07.860 So there's no fully formed message.

01:07:10.040 But you're right.

01:07:10.840 The contents of the message.

01:07:12.740 We need the messenger still.

01:07:13.960 But the contents of basic get the government off my back.

01:07:17.780 We're not going to go to lockdowns anymore.

01:07:19.320 If you want to wear a mask, wear a mask.

01:07:21.840 Vaccinations are not going to be mandated.

01:07:24.120 Get rid of CRT.

01:07:25.480 Get rid of the gender stuff.

01:07:27.100 That is completely the winning message.

01:07:29.120 And I think actually what we're seeing now to get back to some of the Elon Musk stuff with Twitter is as now suddenly guys like you and I, our followers are exploding.

01:07:37.880 Suddenly that's not, isn't that weird?

01:07:40.340 It's, boy, that's, that's awfully weird.

01:07:42.820 Suddenly this guy buys the company.

01:07:44.400 It's not even done yet.

01:07:45.340 And suddenly I gained a hundred thousand followers yesterday on Twitter.

01:07:48.260 You know what it is?

01:07:49.460 I really think, because if I were running a dirty company and I knew somebody was coming in and they'd expose me, I would say, you can't change it overnight.

01:08:02.220 But just slowly change it and let those people, and that's what's happening.

01:08:09.100 Hillary Clinton loses a hundred.

01:08:10.960 Dave Rubin gains a hundred.

01:08:13.620 What?

01:08:14.780 Glenn, when we find if, when and if, well, let's say it's when and I, or it's if, but I hopefully think it's when meaning very soon.

01:08:21.820 Um, when we find out what the level of manipulation is, if we fully get it, I think it's going to completely change the game.

01:08:31.840 I've always said, do you think that that will be able to be forensically found?

01:08:36.980 Well, that's the question.

01:08:38.000 And, and Elon's not stupid.

01:08:40.020 He ain't stupid.

01:08:41.520 And he knew what he was getting involved in here.

01:08:43.820 As I said, he could have sent his family to Mars and just checked out altogether, or he could have bought Bora Bora and put up a freaking wall around the ocean and said, that's it.

01:08:51.380 But he got into this fight.

01:08:53.020 So he had to have thought 10 steps ahead and he had to have had plenty of meetings with his top people.

01:08:58.740 Guys, once we do this, we're going to have access to all of the stuff.

01:09:03.060 Who, who, where are the emails related to the Hunter Biden laptop?

01:09:06.660 He killed that story.

01:09:07.840 Was it, did it come from Jack at the time?

01:09:10.220 Jack Dorsey.

01:09:10.500 Does he care that deeply about that?

01:09:12.340 Do you think?

01:09:13.700 Well, it's going to care about him, whether he cares about it, meaning he's in charge now.

01:09:18.020 He stepped in it.

01:09:19.320 Yeah.

01:09:19.500 So he, I don't think he stepped in just like, Oh, I'm for free speech.

01:09:22.340 Let me just have fun.

01:09:23.360 I think he stepped in knowing, man, the Pandora's box here.

01:09:27.500 This is a Pandora's box of Pandora, Pandora's boxes.

01:09:31.120 So it's like, not only do you have to grapple with the, Hey, Trump may want back on, although

01:09:35.300 he's saying that he doesn't right now, but the emails related to the Hunter thing, I think

01:09:39.920 there's some, there's some digital record in there.

01:09:42.960 Did the government or the administration or somebody say to them, kill this story.

01:09:47.200 And if they did, we got something major on our hands, although half the country won't

01:09:51.560 believe it.

01:09:52.040 So that's another problem.

01:09:52.920 So let me, let me ask you just two quick questions.

01:09:55.500 Um, the, um, on Elon Musk, he is deeply involved with NASA.

01:10:02.460 Yeah.

01:10:02.780 He is deeply involved in global trade, China, the United States, the government.

01:10:09.480 I mean, they can make his life hell and, uh, and I think they probably intend on it.

01:10:18.480 Does he, do you think he weathers that storm?

01:10:21.260 Do you think he, I mean, I think he does that he knows I've just pissed off every really powerful

01:10:29.180 person, company, and country in the world.

01:10:33.520 You know, they always say when you get F you money, everyone always says, if I had F you

01:10:36.800 money one day, I'd tell everybody what I think.

01:10:39.480 And I have found, I know there are a few exceptions to this.

01:10:42.660 I would say in my world, at least Peter Thiel, I would say is someone that really is still

01:10:46.840 fighting to the best of his ability against the system.

01:10:49.480 Right.

01:10:49.700 He's, he, he stepped down from Facebook to fund candidates.

01:10:53.400 The guy's got billions of millions of dollars, again, could do whatever he wants, does not

01:10:56.720 need to be in the fight, but he is standing up for what he believes in as an outsider.

01:11:00.940 Right.

01:11:01.760 Um, look, you going back, you, you've got an awful lot of money.

01:11:04.940 You don't, you don't have to do this.

01:11:06.320 This could be a retirement show if you want.

01:11:08.000 Right.

01:11:08.580 Uh, but you, you choose to fight.

01:11:11.260 There are certain people you're just wired to, I know you couldn't stop.

01:11:14.120 You know what I mean?

01:11:14.740 Even if it's the same thing with me, if someone literally handed me, here's a hundred million

01:11:18.260 bucks, Ruben, get going.

01:11:20.180 I know I could not stop.

01:11:22.000 I can take a week.

01:11:23.120 I can take a week in Hawaii.

01:11:24.260 That would be fine.

01:11:24.780 But I know I would be itching to get back.

01:11:27.100 I think that's what's in him.

01:11:28.560 So, but your question though, is what can the machine do?

01:11:31.200 Can they, can the SEC just endlessly get all of his other companies, Tesla and SpaceX to

01:11:37.940 be investigated to oblivion and then break him down that way?

01:11:41.600 Can they blackmail him?

01:11:43.580 Can they make up shit about him?

01:11:45.020 Can they, pardon my French, can they, I mean the litany of things, of course they can do

01:11:48.900 all of those things, but Cubans, we do things and we don't know what we survive.

01:11:55.700 We do things and we're not sure why we're doing it.

01:11:58.940 And then one day you're gone.

01:12:00.060 You disappear.

01:12:01.180 And, but hopefully the legacy, right?

01:12:04.320 Like it's the legacy.

01:12:05.560 You can kill a man, but not an idea.

01:12:07.040 So last question.

01:12:08.500 We, we talked about Trump.

01:12:10.700 Is Trump the future?

01:12:14.120 I can tell you from being on the road for the last little bit where I do a lot, where

01:12:17.960 I mess with the crowd and I ask them what they think about things and I kind of feel

01:12:21.240 them out.

01:12:21.500 Now I get my audience is somewhat self-selected, obviously.

01:12:23.800 I think there's a sense that it's time to move on from the Trump thing.

01:12:29.240 Not, not, not in a bad way, not in a bad way.

01:12:32.340 Like Trump deserves a hell of a lot of credit.

01:12:34.240 And I think that one day, perhaps if the world that we want to build comes to fruition, he

01:12:39.460 will get that credit.

01:12:40.760 You know, maybe the guy wants his name on a building or something.

01:12:42.920 Right.

01:12:43.060 I think he likes that.

01:12:44.840 No, that's not very, that would be shocking.

01:12:48.140 A golden calf, perhaps that says Trump on it.

01:12:51.020 Um, he, of course, but he does, he did the thing that we're talking about for this last

01:12:56.040 hour.

01:12:56.460 He was the model for the thing.

01:12:58.480 DeSantis doesn't show up and do the right thing.

01:13:00.480 If it isn't for Trump, those of us that are fighting to the best of our ability, a guy,

01:13:04.220 look, neither one of us voted for Trump the first time around.

01:13:06.360 And then we did.

01:13:07.000 I vaguely remember you with some Cheetos.

01:13:09.780 I mean, Oh yeah, I was a very angry, you know, that was very angry, right?

01:13:13.320 But he did, he did something very good, but I can liken this back to, uh, the Passover

01:13:18.140 story that we were talking about before.

01:13:19.360 What happens to Moses at the end?

01:13:21.300 He didn't get to the promised land.

01:13:22.980 And I think that Trump's story, maybe he had to do an awful lot of stuff, an awful lot

01:13:29.140 of stuff to get us to the promised land.

01:13:31.880 Meaning we're getting over the hump right now.

01:13:33.660 We're not there, but we're on the way there, but maybe he doesn't, if his promised land

01:13:39.120 is the presidency again, maybe he doesn't get that.

01:13:41.340 But what I would hope he could say, and this is, this is for Trump's heart to figure out,

01:13:46.720 could I run the rallies?

01:13:48.220 Could I fight the media?

01:13:49.860 Could I have all the fun and maybe get back on Twitter or do my thing with true social

01:13:53.360 and, and fight for all the ideas, but just not be the guy.

01:13:56.680 Could I be the bodyguard in essence?

01:13:58.560 Could I, could I let someone else?

01:14:00.180 And again, here's where I think it's DeSantis probably, but could I let someone else run through

01:14:03.400 the middle while I, can I be the, the linebacker, you know, and, and, and basically create the

01:14:08.780 room so the running back can go right through.

01:14:10.800 I will tell you that it will be hard for him to do that.

01:14:13.640 I think.

01:14:14.580 Um, but look how much it apparently bothered Obama being in the same room with Joe Biden

01:14:23.340 where Obama just took over and embarrassed.

01:14:27.480 Embarrassed.

01:14:28.200 But you know what I keep saying?

01:14:31.600 We're not fighting the best, right?

01:14:34.240 If the people we're up against right now are Joe Biden and Kamala Harris and Nancy Pelosi

01:14:39.100 and Jen Psaki, right.

01:14:39.880 There's a lot of machinery.

01:14:40.900 I get it.

01:14:41.260 The machinery is brilliant.

01:14:43.200 My friend with the blackboard with them at all times knows all about the machinery, but

01:14:47.100 just know the story, the story of one man versus the machine, David versus Goliath.

01:14:54.560 Why, why does it feel true to all of us?

01:14:58.040 Why do we think it's true?

01:14:59.200 Do you just think that no, the machine always wins.

01:15:02.120 Evil always wins.

01:15:04.020 I don't either.

01:15:04.740 So I guess we got to run with that.

01:15:08.060 I love talking to you.

01:15:08.860 I love you, man.

01:15:09.620 I love you too.

01:15:10.680 Name of the book is Don't Burn This Country, Surviving and Thriving in Our Woke Dystopia by

01:15:16.680 Dave Rubin.

01:15:17.480 Dave, thank you.

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The Glenn Beck Program - April 30, 2022

Ep 144 ｜ Did Elon Musk Launch Us into a Post-Woke World？｜ Dave Rubin ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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