The Glenn Beck Program - Ep 145 ｜ How to END Marxist Attempts to Destroy America ｜ Douglas Murray ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

00:00:00.000 The left wants us to believe that our free speech is violence, while their violence is

00:00:06.000 free speech.

00:00:06.940 In the words of John Cleese, if you can't control your own emotions, you're forced to

00:00:13.360 control other people's behavior.

00:00:16.000 That's why the touchiest, most oversensitive, easily upset must not set the standards for

00:00:22.480 the rest of us.

00:00:23.240 In the most recent example is, I think, the example of Elon Musk and the purchase of

00:00:30.980 Twitter.

00:00:31.800 They went crazy.

00:00:33.280 Last week, business as usual.

00:00:34.880 Kathy Griffin called Elon Musk a media-thirst white supremacist.

00:00:39.460 Joy Reid implied that Musk is nostalgic for apartheid.

00:00:44.920 A Twitter executive called him misogynistic.

00:00:47.280 One of the belligerent hosts at The View claimed Musk was only there to protect the free speech

00:00:55.120 of straight white men.

00:00:58.200 You know, an MSNBC host thinking if he brings and opens the platform up to other people,

00:01:09.780 you know, you're just going to be a white supremacist.

00:01:13.500 That's all that's going to happen.

00:01:14.860 It's just flooding through of white supremacists.

00:01:19.080 That is crazy talk.

00:01:22.100 Time magazine called free speech a tech bro obsession, which has become a paramount concern

00:01:29.020 of the techno moral universe, whatever the hell that is.

00:01:33.640 Today's guest is up to this challenge.

00:01:36.620 He's been publishing books since he was 19, serves as an associate editor at Spectator magazine,

00:01:43.140 and he has a new book out, The War on the West, How to Prevail in the Age of Unreason.

00:01:50.780 He describes the Western anti-Westernism that is assaulting the very foundations of our society

00:01:57.680 all throughout the West.

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00:02:07.820 Welcome today.

00:02:09.740 Douglas Murray.

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00:03:20.060 Douglas, welcome.

00:03:34.300 Glad you're here.

00:03:35.160 Great pleasure to be with you.

00:03:36.120 Actually in studio.

00:03:37.120 Thank you for flying across the ocean.

00:03:39.320 It's a great pleasure.

00:03:40.520 I'm thrilled to see you in person.

00:03:42.780 Last time I know we had to do this virtually.

00:03:44.600 Yeah.

00:03:45.240 Yeah.

00:03:45.420 Your book, The War on the West, it couldn't come at a better time.

00:03:51.940 And I think we're pretty much on the same page on what's happening.

00:03:57.120 Let me start with the news of the week, which is Roe versus Wade here in America.

00:04:03.600 Big.

00:04:05.160 This is a huge cultural shift.

00:04:08.240 Sure.

00:04:08.900 The Supreme Court is basically saying states have to decide.

00:04:12.800 We can't decide this.

00:04:13.840 It's not in the Constitution.

00:04:15.980 So legislatures get to decide.

00:04:18.660 People are making this into, you know, a war on women, et cetera. 1.00

00:04:23.400 I personally think just from the response, it was leaked, which has never happened before.

00:04:29.300 Unbelievable.

00:04:31.020 Kind of the tactic that the left likes to use.

00:04:34.100 And then these spontaneous groups started appearing, all shouting nothing about rights, women's rights, but pack the court, which is, you know, once that happens in a society, you know, you lose it. 0.98

00:04:51.640 And I think this is the beginning of a war on the streets with the left.

00:05:00.900 How do you read this?

00:05:02.420 Well, I hope not, obviously.

00:05:03.680 I mean, one of the things, the observations I'd make is that it does accentuate something which has been growing in America, in particular in recent years, which is a total divide over the nature of institutions.

00:05:16.860 I think this is deadly for a country, I have to say.

00:05:20.660 The point of institutions is that they are something that you agree upon, you know, that people agree on the results of elections, agree on Supreme Court decisions.

00:05:32.000 It might differ, but they recognize the authority of the Supreme Court.

00:05:37.800 There was a time you might say that about almost every institution in American public life as in any other Western country.

00:05:43.840 And now I just think that the almost nobody seems to have trust in the institutions and you can pick and choose on occasion.

00:05:53.620 But essentially, you know, there's just it's very hard to think of an institution in American public life, whoever, which everyone agrees upon.

00:06:02.840 Oh, I don't I don't think there is anymore.

00:06:04.820 I've seen a huge I mean, a huge change even in me.

00:06:07.340 I never thought I would question the Justice Department or the FBI.

00:06:11.560 I don't trust them at all.

00:06:13.340 That's a really interesting development that I see on the American right.

00:06:16.300 I mean, obviously, I was born in Britain and I live in America now.

00:06:19.320 But the in Britain, if you said, you know, you don't you don't have trust in, say, MI5, MI6, GCHQ, any of the departments of government, the courts, the election processes, parliament, etc.

00:06:34.100 If you went through all of that, then you would say, well, that that's not a conservative.

00:06:38.680 Right.

00:06:39.200 You know, a conservative must have faith in some of these institutions.

00:06:41.720 And I think actually the truth is, is that there is very good reason in America for people on the right as on the left to have be deeply suspicious of your institutions because they've politicized themselves, it seems to me, just one after another.

00:06:57.700 You know, the minute you have intelligence officials speaking out on political matters, bang, of course, you're going to lose trust.

00:07:05.540 That is the interesting thing about the Supreme Court decision, because it says it cannot make political decisions.

00:07:13.920 It's it's not a legislative body.

00:07:17.120 Right.

00:07:17.420 If it if it's not included in the Constitution, it can't talk about it.

00:07:22.340 So it goes back.

00:07:23.640 Don't you think there are other things that might unravel as a result of that?

00:07:26.960 Like?

00:07:28.020 Well, I mean, there are other decisions that the Supreme Court or the courts in this country have made that you might say would be in the hands of the people.

00:07:34.040 Yeah, I would say Obamacare.

00:07:35.980 It's one of them.

00:07:36.680 Right.

00:07:37.200 I mean, that's one of the things that strikes me is that actually, although everyone's going to obsess about the specific thing of Roe v. Wade, the fact that the court has said it's not in our jurisdiction.

00:07:48.560 So opens up a whole new.

00:07:50.440 So what the left is planning on doing, I guess, is to at least get rid of the filibuster to pass a a nationwide abortion policy, which the Supreme Court says can be done.

00:08:06.000 But it would fall into what's called the Commerce Clause, which if you know anything about that at all, that was an FDR switch.

00:08:17.000 Right.

00:08:17.480 You know, that took then put the federal government in all of our lives where it wasn't before that.

00:08:23.580 Right.

00:08:23.720 And there is speculation that a few of the justices would like a second bite at that apple.

00:08:30.420 We are we seemingly are reverting back to more of federalism, according to the court.

00:08:39.060 That is a good thing.

00:08:41.100 That's a healthy thing, I think.

00:08:42.720 But what about what about the way in which I mean, specific justices are now going to be?

00:08:46.980 I mean, I fear for some of the justices.

00:08:50.100 You mean safety?

00:08:50.800 I would.

00:08:51.780 Yeah.

00:08:51.960 Oh, yeah.

00:08:52.920 Yeah.

00:08:53.320 If they're not the most protected people in Washington, they should be.

00:08:57.800 I mean, several of them are going to be among the most hated people to significant chunk of the country.

00:09:08.940 It's funny because we've left this place to where you can respect Ginsburg.

00:09:16.580 You know, when Ginsburg died, I didn't agree with a thing she said.

00:09:20.160 Yeah.

00:09:20.600 But I thought it was a real loss for the country.

00:09:23.220 You know, I thought she was a great person.

00:09:26.940 I don't like her.

00:09:28.240 I didn't like her as a justice, but I didn't wish her ill or dead or anything like that.

00:09:33.460 We're not we're not traveling down that path now.

00:09:37.040 No, no, no.

00:09:38.480 I think I do think America is traveling down a very dangerous path now.

00:09:43.040 Oh, yeah.

00:09:43.540 Has been for some time.

00:09:44.600 But this this thing of not having anything you agree on.

00:09:49.060 I've commented on this on a number of occasions, but not having anything that you agree on is a big problem as a country.

00:09:56.140 Yeah.

00:09:56.320 We talked about that, but it's different.

00:09:58.680 We talked about that last time, two years ago.

00:10:01.140 I don't even know how long it was.

00:10:02.380 It's got so much worse.

00:10:03.720 So much worse.

00:10:04.540 I mean, I think that.

00:10:07.080 The abortion thing may actually be in the end, the thing that breaks us up. 0.88

00:10:15.300 You think the country could break?

00:10:16.660 Not because of abortion, per se, the way it is, but because I think you're going to see extremists on the left, you know, where they're they're talking about aborting babies 30 days after birth.

00:10:34.300 You know, they're already talking about that in California, that they're using tax dollars to fly people in for an abortion industry.

00:10:41.800 I think that's going to not sit well with a lot of people in in California and elsewhere.

00:10:48.620 And if they push for packing the Supreme Court, if they look like they're going to get away with that, if they look like they're going to get rid of the filibuster, I think the lines are drawn.

00:11:02.300 Might the country just sort of continue going the way it is where people move to the places where it's more in line with their values and you just see this red blue divide just I would hope, but I don't you think that's a positive?

00:11:19.180 Well, I mean, better than war.

00:11:21.020 Sure.

00:11:21.720 Better than war.

00:11:22.440 But it feels to me like the the few years before, I think, the Civil War, you know, Abraham Lincoln was said to, you know, he didn't care about the slaves.

00:11:34.780 He cared deeply about slavery.

00:11:36.600 I mean, you know, John Quincy Adams, you know, taught him how to destroy slavery when he was in Congress and John Quincy Adams had been fighting in his whole life.

00:11:49.260 Right.

00:11:49.400 So he cared.

00:11:50.860 But when he first took office in his first inaugural address, he said, I can't do anything.

00:11:56.640 The president doesn't have the power to do it.

00:11:59.580 But once the South went off the deep end, then that changed things.

00:12:06.460 And I don't know.

00:12:09.260 I just think there's a lot of people.

00:12:12.540 Right now on the right who are like, look, I don't want war.

00:12:16.840 I don't want fight with a name.

00:12:18.320 I just want I'm tired of this.

00:12:20.240 I just want this done.

00:12:22.160 But if the left continues the onslaught of.

00:12:28.920 Taking on our children and calling us terrorists, if we say back up from our children.

00:12:36.660 Yeah.

00:12:36.820 If you start destroying the institutions more than they already are and you just change all the rules.

00:12:43.360 I don't know.

00:12:44.040 People are going to sit around.

00:12:45.580 I wish there was a way to build them back up.

00:12:47.700 I mean, that would be the obvious conservative solution would be to try to build up the institutions again.

00:12:52.820 But I think it's very, very hard.

00:12:54.480 That's what the court did.

00:12:56.320 The court is correcting a mistake.

00:12:59.540 And they made a very I don't know if you read the case, but they made a very cogent argument.

00:13:05.680 Yeah.

00:13:06.000 That this is not about politics.

00:13:07.900 This isn't even about abortion.

00:13:09.860 This is about our role.

00:13:11.720 Yeah.

00:13:11.920 And we shouldn't be in politics.

00:13:14.740 Yeah.

00:13:14.960 Well, as I say, I'm just all I feel is, you know, strap yourself in.

00:13:20.000 This is going to be a hell of a ride.

00:13:21.580 Oh, yeah, it is.

00:13:22.580 I mean, we've been through very long years in the last few years.

00:13:26.840 And I think they're going to get longer and noisier for sure.

00:13:30.980 Well, so let's talk a little bit about the war, because I think there, you know, I've been trying to say to people lately, things have changed.

00:13:45.860 And you you're not at a shooting war, thank God, but we are at war for the survival of the West.

00:13:53.720 Yes, I think so.

00:13:55.220 I think very clearly and there's there's no greater demonstration of that than what I describe as the war on Western history.

00:14:04.820 You know, the countries, societies, cultures hold together around the stories that they tell.

00:14:14.000 And sometimes those stories are slightly exaggerated and sometimes they're not.

00:14:20.040 Often they're absolutely, you know, a fair representation of what has happened.

00:14:25.220 But you have to have a shared story.

00:14:27.900 You can't have totally different narratives about how you got to where you are.

00:14:34.160 And in America, even worse than any other country in the West.

00:14:37.740 And this is a solely Western problem.

00:14:39.660 And you don't see this anywhere else in the world.

00:14:41.220 In America in particular, there is a deep, deep war going on over the nature of your past.

00:14:46.480 And it's it's terrifying to watch, because if you don't agree on that, there's nothing left.

00:14:56.240 There's nothing left you can agree on at the moment.

00:14:58.000 You can't.

00:14:58.500 What are you going to rally around in 2022 if you don't agree on anything that happened right up till now?

00:15:03.040 And obviously, you know, we all saw this in recent years.

00:15:07.180 There was the summer of 2020 and the pulling down of statues.

00:15:12.160 But then the two things I noticed.

00:15:14.880 One was that that was just a sort of hardcore version of something that had already been happening.

00:15:20.500 The rewriting of American history for the 1619 project and other things that had been going on for quite a long time.

00:15:26.380 It suddenly sped up, suddenly went right to the heart of everything in America.

00:15:31.820 You know, people said, well, they're just coming for the southern generals.

00:15:36.780 And then then it was like the founding fathers in no time at all.

00:15:40.780 Then it was, you know, that CNN reporter said before the Mount Rushmore speech of Donald Trump said he's going to be standing.

00:15:51.120 The president's going to be standing in front of slave owners on stolen land. 0.68

00:15:56.380 You know, you think, wow, if you if you think that, you know, you're not.

00:16:00.220 What do you have?

00:16:01.340 What do you have?

00:16:02.500 And and by this stage, something else has happened, which is a preemptive cleansing of American history.

00:16:10.620 You know, this isn't just about mob sort of attacks on statues in weird, wacko places like Portland.

00:16:16.540 It's, you know, it's a statue of Thomas Jefferson being wheeled, pulled down, crated up and wheeled out the back door of the city state chamber in New York.

00:16:27.500 And one of the council members saying Thomas Jefferson doesn't represent our values.

00:16:33.600 And, you know, when you have a when you have the New York Council taking Thomas Jefferson down, you don't need the mob anymore that they're doing that for the mob.

00:16:46.900 And we've of course, we've seen that with statues of Abraham Lincoln.

00:16:49.320 We've seen statues of Lincoln pulled down by mobs in this country, but we've also seen them taken away by officials, by the local authorities in Boston, trying to get ahead of the mob or what exactly?

00:17:04.060 Agreeing on the new rewriting of Lincoln that the mob is doing?

00:17:09.060 See, I think this is the thing that conservatives have seen that have caused us not to believe anymore, because we thought our institutions were safe havens, were solid, but it's been eaten by termites.

00:17:27.040 There were no stopgates.

00:17:29.320 None.

00:17:29.780 No.

00:17:30.100 It's just it had already been rotted from the inside out.

00:17:33.500 Yeah, and what disturbs me about this as well is that, I mean, that could happen organically in a way, but this is pushed.

00:17:43.700 I mean, there is a deliberate push to change the American story.

00:17:48.560 You know, I was recently reading Paul Johnson's history of the American peoples, and I'm going to misquote this, but the opening line of this book was something like the history of the American people is the greatest story in human history.

00:18:03.500 Something like that.

00:18:04.760 Mm-hmm.

00:18:05.620 And this book was published in 2000.

00:18:09.500 I mean, I don't need to tell you what book, what mainstream book would start with that claim today.

00:18:17.520 None.

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00:19:50.000 The whole story of America has been rewritten from a story of heroism to one of sin.

00:19:57.060 From one of amazing accomplishment by extraordinary people to horrible things done by unforgivably bad people.

00:20:08.060 And that's how you get to the stage you're at at the moment where, I mean, why would you agree on anything

00:20:15.160 if a significant part of the country has been taught to believe that there's nothing good about the country?

00:20:22.140 So here's the part that bothers me.

00:20:28.060 I can have a conversation with anyone if you're honest about your search for truth.

00:20:35.380 Sure.

00:20:35.660 You know, if I'm not willing to change my mind, if you make a great case on something, then I'm not really being honest.

00:20:43.680 You know what I mean?

00:20:44.120 I cannot come up with a good reason for these things to be happening.

00:20:52.180 I can see people are being, you know, I don't even know, hypnotized, baptized, whatever it is, into this cult.

00:21:00.700 I can see that.

00:21:01.860 But the people who started it and the people who are really running it, they know exactly what they're doing.

00:21:07.680 I mean, I give an example in the War on the West of, look at the tactic that's been used on all of our heroes.

00:21:16.920 Whether it's the founding fathers of America, whether it's Winston Churchill in the UK, whether it's all the thinkers of the Enlightenment.

00:21:26.660 There's one tactic that's been used on all of them, which is you are guilty of living in history and not having the values that we have in 2022.

00:21:39.800 You know, as I like to say, you know, the shorthand for this is they're guilty of being dead white men. 0.74

00:21:46.520 The cardinal sins of not just being white and male, but also dead, it appears, because, of course, none of the critics think that's going to happen to them.

00:21:53.540 But this sort of derisive, these are just dead white men.

00:21:57.880 Well, they're dead white men who brought you everything you've got, so you could have a bit of damn gratitude to start with. 0.96

00:22:04.000 But put that aside for a moment.

00:22:05.960 All these figures have been attacked in exactly the same way.

00:22:09.800 Winston Churchill held Victorian attitudes about certain subjects.

00:22:13.820 Surprise, surprise.

00:22:14.960 He was born in Victorian England.

00:22:16.380 Right.

00:22:17.100 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:22:17.840 He maybe should have had progressive 2020s attitudes about a range of things and gay marriage.

00:22:24.380 But, you know, amazingly enough, he didn't.

00:22:28.220 So the same thing is done against Jefferson.

00:22:31.720 Same thing is done against Lincoln.

00:22:33.040 Same thing is done against all the philosophers of the Enlightenment, who every single one of them has now been torn down.

00:22:38.240 Actually, literally, in a number of their cases, Voltaire statues pulled down in Paris.

00:22:43.700 David Hume's name taken off the buildings named after him in Scotland.

00:22:46.860 These people who brought us the ideas of reason and rationalism now stand condemned all for the same things.

00:22:54.680 They lived at a time when slavery went on.

00:22:57.420 They lived at a time when colonialism went on.

00:23:00.780 And the best for the people who come after them is they said something racist once.

00:23:06.020 So these are these are the three tools used against everyone in our past.

00:23:12.380 And I say at one point in the war in the West, OK, let's look at who this is not done to.

00:23:19.400 Let's look at the figures that they skip over.

00:23:22.380 Yep.

00:23:22.620 So I had I had great joy in going through the private and public writings of Karl Marx.

00:23:32.880 Karl Marx, by the standards of today and by the standards of his own day, was unbelievably racist.

00:23:40.340 He repeatedly uses the N word in his private correspondence to Engels, usually hyphenated with Jew, because, of course, he's also very anti-Semitic.

00:23:47.700 He has horrible views on slavery, horrible views on colonialism by the standards that the left has applied to every single one of our heroes.

00:23:56.920 Karl Marx should be toast.

00:23:58.800 Correct.

00:23:59.460 Right.

00:23:59.660 Why not?

00:24:02.400 Why isn't he?

00:24:03.960 I do believe that one of the reasons is that this isn't the only explanation for what's going on, but it's one of them.

00:24:09.360 There are people who want to make sure that we are robbed of everything in our past except that strain so that they can say.

00:24:18.160 Here is Marxism.

00:24:20.540 That's what's left standing.

00:24:21.800 There is no other explanation as to why they have skipped over Karl Marx.

00:24:27.580 And since the War on the West came out and the serializations and things and a number of people wrote about this, they didn't know about Marxism.

00:24:35.120 I mean, one one one person wrote, say what Marx said and what Douglas says in his book, I can't repeat in this paper.

00:24:42.180 It's quite it's quite true.

00:24:43.760 It's horrible, horrible stuff.

00:24:45.060 But since that came out, some of the Marxists have come out and attacked me on this and they've said things like, well, there's two arguments they've been using.

00:24:53.340 One is that's unfair.

00:24:55.980 He was a man of his time.

00:25:00.200 Yeah.

00:25:01.000 Well, OK.

00:25:02.360 Oh, like everyone else.

00:25:04.100 Right.

00:25:04.580 Like Thomas Jefferson.

00:25:06.280 Like Winston Churchill.

00:25:07.080 Like Winston Churchill, man of his time.

00:25:08.940 The second thing they say is, well, we look to him for his views on economics, not for his personal views.

00:25:17.920 That's I mean, this is the excuse with Margaret Sanger.

00:25:21.440 Right.

00:25:22.220 You know, Margaret Sanger, a horrible racist. 1.00

00:25:24.980 Right.

00:25:25.440 But I mean, she was right about women and women's reproductive rights. 1.00

00:25:30.440 So it seems to me that a group of the people who are the anti-Westernists of our day, and I can't stress this enough, this is Western anti-Westernism.

00:25:39.520 You know, there's Middle Eastern anti-Westernism, there's Chinese anti-Westernism.

00:25:42.980 But the most crucial and serious one is Western anti-Westernism is, as you say, the termites eating out the whole structure around us.

00:25:50.160 And one of those strands is definitely people who want to say, at the end of all this, only one Australian thought left standing.

00:25:58.580 Some of the people I quote in the book, prominent figures actually say things like, the Enlightenment is the problem.

00:26:03.520 You know, reason is the problem.

00:26:06.480 Rationalism is the problem.

00:26:07.520 The same thing.

00:26:08.020 And again, this is not fringe stuff.

00:26:11.020 Randy Weingarten of the American Teaching Union, testing is the problem.

00:26:17.240 You know, it's gone all the way through.

00:26:19.180 Everything is a problem except for a few things that they want to leave standing.

00:26:25.160 And I think this has to be called out and identified because we are being fed a total crock on this, a total lie.

00:26:35.300 And they don't have the right to do this.

00:26:37.440 A crippling lie that, I mean, just the lie that you can't make it, that you shouldn't take risks, that everybody gets a trophy.

00:26:47.460 All of that stuff that started long ago, that's going to cripple the free market.

00:26:54.000 Oh, for sure.

00:26:54.880 No one will take risks.

00:26:56.600 Well, they don't mind that, by the way.

00:26:58.860 I should tell you, there's a bit in here I write about the 1619 Project's bit on capitalism.

00:27:05.460 Now, I don't know, there wasn't enough attention paid to this, but part of the critique of the 1619 Project was a critique of capitalism itself.

00:27:15.880 Now, again, what do you think the accusations that they make against capitalism are?

00:27:21.960 They are, unsurprisingly, that capitalism is derived from slavery, colonialism, and much more.

00:27:30.620 And the claim that they make is that, as a result, capitalism itself is, from its origins, a racist thing.

00:27:38.140 Okay.

00:27:38.240 So, this is what the 1619 Project's genius, a sociologist called Matthew Desmond, said.

00:27:47.040 The headline of his piece was,

00:27:48.620 In order to understand the brutality of American capitalism, you have to start on the plantation.

00:27:54.080 And his argument was that, for instance, everything like tracking, recording, and analyzing, precise quantification,

00:28:05.680 many of these techniques we now take for granted were developed by and for large plantations.

00:28:11.580 Okay.

00:28:11.760 He says, this is a 1619 Project, a Pulitzer Prize-winning project of the New York Times.

00:28:17.440 And he says that systems that were consisting of things that were tracked, recorded, and analyzed tie everyone sitting at their desk in modern America doing their work directly to the plantations.

00:28:31.360 And he says, at one point, that there's a direct line from the slaveholders' spreadsheets into Microsoft Excel.

00:28:38.400 Well, here's the thing.

00:28:39.820 Here's the thing.

00:28:40.820 First of all, the man is wildly ignorant.

00:28:43.040 The plantation system had nothing to do with capitalism.

00:28:47.440 The plantation system was a feudal system.

00:28:51.000 A child could tell this ignoramus this.

00:28:54.400 A child could look at these two systems and recognize there is no similarity.

00:28:59.160 So why do they do it?

00:29:01.020 Why is part of the hit job of the 1619 Project to commission a drive-by shooting by an ignoramus against Western capitalism,

00:29:09.440 intending to draw a line from the slave plantations to Western capitalism?

00:29:13.840 To destroy it.

00:29:14.580 Because they want to destroy Western capitalism, like everything else.

00:29:18.900 And, you know, the ill intent of these people can just never be, you know, stressed enough.

00:29:25.040 It's just underest.

00:29:25.760 You can never underestimate them.

00:29:28.120 They decide on their conclusions and then they work backwards.

00:29:31.360 This idiot, actually, at one point, the only source he can find is one scholar who wrote a book that says the opposite of what he says she says.

00:29:42.420 Okay, so my fear is that, like, most people don't have time for this crap.

00:29:51.160 Like, we're trying to get on with our lives.

00:29:54.080 People are trying to build their families.

00:29:55.520 They're trying to pay the mortgage.

00:29:57.640 They're trying to put food on the table and much more.

00:30:00.380 And when somebody comes at them, let alone, like, prominent figures and let alone prominent politicians who are meant to be safeguarding your legacy as a country,

00:30:09.680 when they come at you and say, you know, when you sit down and do your work, you're actually basically part of the same thing as the plantations.

00:30:19.360 I know most people don't know what to say.

00:30:23.740 I didn't know that.

00:30:25.620 It's likely to be or you turn off or something.

00:30:29.580 When somebody says, you know, Thomas Jefferson was just a slave owner, like, most people, like, I don't know.

00:30:36.000 I was told there was more to him than that.

00:30:38.660 But they'll turn off or they'll.

00:30:41.500 I don't need to tell you, Glenn.

00:30:42.840 People need to be armed to know how to fight back against this.

00:30:46.580 They need to know what the arguments are.

00:30:48.200 They need to know the specifics.

00:30:49.780 But more importantly, they need to see this underlying trend that is going on.

00:30:54.440 You know, no other culture is doing this to itself.

00:30:58.440 Nobody else.

00:30:59.200 You know, like every other culture on Earth wants to think well of itself.

00:31:04.640 And I believe that most people, most people in America do.

00:31:07.900 Most people in the West do.

00:31:09.140 But we've been kind of submerged under this just slurry that has come flooding across everything that we were told, that we knew and that we loved.

00:31:20.600 They've just polluted the whole darn thing.

00:31:22.720 And I think we have to be able to take it back.

00:31:25.940 We have to say, you won't do that to our heroes.

00:31:28.140 You know, it's a very common thing in cultural revolutions for this to happen.

00:31:32.600 When I was going around the States just before the election of 2020, I was visiting, I don't know, about 10 states or so.

00:31:38.040 I was in Portland after they'd torn all the stuff down there and saw the riots.

00:31:41.180 I saw what remained of the center of Seattle, which had been a beautiful city, I remember, only 15 years earlier when I was there.

00:31:48.980 When I saw these things, I thought, you know, there is a risk that the American public square is going to become completely empty.

00:31:58.380 You know, there's going to be no one left.

00:31:59.680 And I think that's roughly very nearly where we are.

00:32:03.080 But this is what cultural revolutionaries have done throughout history.

00:32:06.680 You know, from the ancient world onwards, you go into the temples of your enemies, you tear down their statues, you urinate on their altars, you destroy the whole sanctuary and say, your gods are dead.

00:32:24.060 We've got new ones for you.

00:32:26.340 That's what they're hoping to do to America and the wider West. 0.99

00:32:29.660 They're very well advanced on it.

00:32:31.620 And the and the glimmer of hope is that I believe that if the majority regain their voice, these people don't stand a chance.

00:32:42.800 I would agree with that.

00:32:44.660 I think that I think that Elon Musk was a really, really exciting moment.

00:32:52.620 You know, between him and DeSantis in Florida, these are guys that have grown their strength out of weakness.

00:33:04.860 Yes.

00:33:05.620 And they are there.

00:33:09.640 They're moving in ways.

00:33:11.680 And Musk is is interesting because he's not your typical conservative.

00:33:16.980 Yeah.

00:33:17.420 He's not a libertarian like Silicon Valley guy.

00:33:19.700 I mean, right now he's become like a leader of the far right.

00:33:22.440 I don't know.

00:33:23.160 MSNBC, by the way, yesterday did a hit job on him.

00:33:25.980 Oh, my gosh.

00:33:26.760 One of their idiot presenters said Elon Musk, not only is he going to unleash the far right, but they also described him as not especially intelligent.

00:33:35.460 I mean, have some darn humility.

00:33:38.360 You know?

00:33:39.020 Yeah.

00:33:39.440 I mean, you don't have to say you agree with the guy, but acknowledge that it's pretty impressive.

00:33:44.040 The the only thing that I see with this is.

00:33:50.340 Would you agree with me that we're dealing with people who will are the kind of if I can't have you, no one will.

00:33:56.600 They're the burn it down.

00:33:58.180 Oh, yeah.

00:33:58.580 Sure.

00:33:58.840 Yeah.

00:33:59.600 So they will do everything to destroy Elon Musk.

00:34:05.040 Oh, yeah.

00:34:05.500 Anyone.

00:34:06.320 I guarantee you, Trump doesn't run and DeSantis runs.

00:34:11.120 They will say DeSantis is far worse than Donald.

00:34:15.100 Yeah.

00:34:15.300 Yeah.

00:34:15.500 Yeah.

00:34:15.680 They're going to.

00:34:16.460 Yeah.

00:34:16.620 They have to.

00:34:17.400 They will use any tactic and they will destroy.

00:34:20.540 If Elon Musk and I think they know this, if Elon Musk stands and really kind of just laughs them off.

00:34:29.180 Yeah.

00:34:29.260 Yeah, it is.

00:34:30.880 Well, it is the beginning of the end.

00:34:33.060 I think we've seen a little bit of that, haven't we?

00:34:35.480 Because for the first time in the last year or so, people have started to survive the mob.

00:34:40.940 I mean, the most obvious example is Joe Rogan.

00:34:44.500 You might say Dave Chappelle as well.

00:34:46.220 It's interesting that comedians have been such a target, but of course they are because they say things that everyone wants to say.

00:34:50.980 Right.

00:34:51.440 But no, I think that there are people now who are surviving the takeout attempts.

00:35:00.160 And starting to wear it as a badge of honor.

00:35:02.600 Well, yeah.

00:35:03.260 And I was speaking actually to Joe Rogan about this the other day and he said it helped the people trying to take me down with CNN.

00:35:10.800 Yeah.

00:35:11.240 Because nobody trusts them.

00:35:13.100 And, but still my worry is that these sort of prominent figures, very successful figures, can survive it.

00:35:23.540 But the whole thing can't turn around until all of us can.

00:35:27.420 Until the bottom.

00:35:28.200 You know, the person doing a normal job is able to survive saying something that is true.

00:35:35.260 Until that's possible, you know, it's, it's, it's not enough, you know, it's not enough that I, I don't know, very successful authors like J.K. Rowling successfully survive the mob or the, you know, these figures I just mentioned do.

00:35:49.960 It's, it's got to go all the way down the economy.

00:35:52.400 It's got to be at every level.

00:35:53.860 It has to be the student that can say, sorry.

00:35:57.460 Yes.

00:35:57.820 Man is a man.

00:35:58.800 Yeah.

00:35:59.080 Woman's a woman. 1.00

00:35:59.980 Yeah.

00:36:00.540 You know what I mean?

00:36:01.100 I agree.

00:36:01.940 And I found that before, before the lockdowns and everything started in recent years, when I was doing public events with various other people and, and, and sometimes just going to things and watching, I would often ask the young people in the audiences who are not by any means conservative.

00:36:18.380 I'd ask them, you know, what brought you out this evening?

00:36:21.780 And there are always two answers or variants of two answers.

00:36:25.140 The first was, I want to, I'm fed up of just watching YouTube videos on my own sort of thing.

00:36:30.860 I want to be with people who are thinking about the same things, which is different from an ideological movement other than it's an ideological movement of people who are interested.

00:36:40.880 But the second thing you very often heard was, I want to be near people who are saying something I'd like to say at some point.

00:36:49.460 Now, this is very important for this country.

00:36:52.920 Wow.

00:36:53.760 It's very important for this country.

00:36:54.980 And I think we probably both know this in our personal lives.

00:36:57.340 If there's something that's on the sort of, you know, the edge of your brain, you're thinking, I know, I mean, I, I can see that's true, but I'm, um, I don't want to be the first one.

00:37:07.060 I don't want to be the first one.

00:37:08.500 And if somebody else jumps in with their boots, you know, into it, you immediately think, oh, okay, that's easier.

00:37:15.920 And sometimes, as you know, the disappointing thing is it's got to be you.

00:37:18.840 There's the first one to jump, but, but, but I, I think that we all know in our lives that that is actually the case.

00:37:30.200 Uh, that's why people, that's why people listen to the people who are attacked.

00:37:34.680 It's not just that they're attacked.

00:37:35.960 They're listening because the people who are being attacked are saying the things other people would like to say.

00:37:41.380 Yeah.

00:37:41.940 You know, um, whenever I refer to, you know, things like, uh, the, the Leah Thomas thing, I say, well, I mean, it's, it's possible you can be a guy and whenever you get in the water, you feel kind of feminine, like a mermaid of some kind.

00:37:58.620 I don't really, I'm not sure.

00:38:01.280 I'm not sure it holds you biologically or anything like that.

00:38:03.980 Um, and, um, and I know that whenever I say that, a number of people are going to think, I can, I can say something like that.

00:38:13.300 Yeah.

00:38:14.100 And, and it's the same with, with the arguments I make in this book.

00:38:17.760 I want people to realize that, for instance, it's perfectly permissible to defend your culture and your civilization and your country.

00:38:26.780 It's perfectly possible that when somebody comes at you saying you're totally rotten, there's nothing good that you've done.

00:38:32.900 You can say, hang on a minute.

00:38:35.800 Let me tell you some things.

00:38:37.680 I mean, you know, I mentioned in the book and the second, cause I, I, I, I jump over some of the really, you know, hot button ones that we've had in recent times, you know, the issues of slavery, colonialism and racism.

00:38:50.500 And, you know, one of the things I say is, you know, the remarkable thing about the West is not that we had slavery.

00:38:57.100 Every civilization in history has slavery.

00:38:59.640 They all did.

00:39:00.320 Um, the remarkable thing about the West is that we got rid of it.

00:39:05.200 You know, there are 40 million slaves in the world today estimated.

00:39:08.840 I've met some of my travels and.

00:39:11.820 I think there's 70 countries that don't have any anti-slavery laws.

00:39:16.140 It is unbelievable.

00:39:17.180 And across Africa and across the Middle East, and there are places like the Gulf States was basically slavery.

00:39:22.320 You know, I mean, you can't pretend the Filipino workers are anything but, but chattel really. 1.00

00:39:27.160 Yeah.

00:39:27.740 Their lives don't mean anything to the locals.

00:39:30.100 Um, so, so 40 million slaves in the world today is more slaves than there were in the 19th century.

00:39:35.620 Okay.

00:39:35.820 So clearly this is a problem.

00:39:38.600 Um, it's a thing that humans have done and civilizations have done.

00:39:42.320 Again, why would we be destroying ourselves in America over something we settled two centuries ago?

00:39:50.680 Right.

00:39:50.980 Why would we be tearing ourselves about this now, other than if we fall into the story first that it was only us?

00:40:01.160 And I don't think the one in a million Americans know, for instance, that some people say maybe up to 12 million slaves were taken across the Atlantic and the transatlantic slave trade.

00:40:10.320 18 million were taken east to the Arab countries from Africa in the same time.

00:40:15.680 Why don't we know about this?

00:40:16.700 Because they were castrated.

00:40:18.040 Right.

00:40:18.140 There were no more generations of them.

00:40:19.920 And when you go to the, uh, 12 million, America took two.

00:40:26.640 Right.

00:40:27.200 The rest went to South America.

00:40:29.340 Brazil had, had, it was still slave trading until the 1880s.

00:40:32.440 Yeah.

00:40:32.800 Uh, you know, the, the Royal Navy.

00:40:34.500 There was, the, the Native Americans had slaves again until 1873 or something like that.

00:40:42.440 And I mean, in this, we, we've got to start to work out this ledger accurately.

00:40:47.960 Right.

00:40:48.300 Um.

00:40:49.920 You know, does our civilization uniquely owe people for things that happened two centuries ago?

00:40:56.040 I'd say not.

00:40:56.840 I'd say not.

00:40:58.060 I'd say the debt is paid.

00:40:59.520 It's paid down.

00:41:00.460 It was paid in blood.

00:41:01.440 It was paid in blood.

00:41:02.820 In America, in Britain, the Royal Navy, after slavery was abolished in the United Kingdom, policed the high seas at significant costs of treasure and blood, boarding ships on their way to Brazil and storming the holds and freeing slaves.

00:41:16.440 This, this, this, this, you know, so when somebody comes at you and says, and says, as we have had in America in particular in recent years, you know, this is your original sin, for instance.

00:41:26.740 I want to say, okay, what's the original sin of the other countries? 1.00

00:41:31.120 What's their, what, they must have them.

00:41:33.060 Oh, is it just us?

00:41:33.940 It, I don't know how we can make this argument when so many of us have Apple products made in China.

00:41:43.360 I know.

00:41:43.700 Which is a horrific, horrific nation on human rights.

00:41:49.460 Sure.

00:41:49.800 I mean, you know, it's, it's one of the great rules I try to follow is something an editor once said to me.

00:41:57.600 Every peoples in history have done things that you look back on and you think, what the hell were they thinking?

00:42:02.340 Right.

00:42:02.760 You know, just to say.

00:42:03.480 Right.

00:42:04.040 Well, but some of them are still doing it.

00:42:07.380 Some of them are still doing it.

00:42:08.560 And here, but here's a, here's a sort of follow on thing is assume there are things we do in our own day, which our successes are going to see as being nuts.

00:42:16.780 Try to work out what they are now.

00:42:19.800 Don't just spend your time judging the 18th century or something.

00:42:23.500 Watch out what it is now.

00:42:24.380 I would have thought what you've just referred to as one of them.

00:42:26.740 I do too.

00:42:27.140 They will say, how in America in the 2020s did they become obsessed again about slavery 300 years earlier and rewrite their whole story?

00:42:38.560 And miss the fact that there were concentration camps in China going on in their own day, slavery going on around the world in their own day.

00:42:46.420 Why were they uninterested?

00:42:48.380 They are going to look at us.

00:42:49.960 Historians in a hundred years will look at us as insane.

00:42:54.500 Yes.

00:42:55.740 Just psychotic.

00:42:56.700 Yes.

00:42:57.140 Split personality people.

00:42:59.100 And, you know, and here's one reason why we have fallen.

00:43:03.340 And I have, I have a chapter in the book on what does it, I say, you know, one of the answers, one of the deep answers to this.

00:43:10.220 We have fallen into an era based in resentment, based in resentment, the deepest thing of the time, the left injected it.

00:43:18.820 I think parts of the right have now got it as well, but it is a world.

00:43:23.300 Explain that.

00:43:23.820 Explain that.

00:43:24.300 Because I think I agree with you because you can have a worldview based entirely on what you haven't got, what other people have got at your expense.

00:43:34.340 And by the way, this, this crosses all races, all cultures, all classes, all socioeconomic structures.

00:43:40.940 Because we all know people who don't have very much at all in terms of money, who are the most grateful and kind and, and, you know, charitable people you could come across.

00:43:54.020 And I'm sure we've all met people as well who seem very wealthy, who are just run through with bitterness and, and, and resentment, things that they, things that people did to them, things that, you know, they should have got and they didn't.

00:44:07.280 So this is nothing to do with, with, with, with caution.

00:44:10.060 It's a human instinct, resentment.

00:44:12.500 And the problem with resentment once it brews is that there is no end to it because you go searching for it.

00:44:19.960 You know, Nietzsche says at one point, there is a type of person who tears at wounds long since healed and then cries about the pain that they suffer.

00:44:31.580 Recognize the type?

00:44:32.600 Yeah.

00:44:33.460 Recognize the type all over America today.

00:44:35.520 I've been having this row in the last few days since, since the war in the West came out about the reparations thing.

00:44:41.060 A number of people who've been coming at me on social media, of course, I don't, I don't say coming, I don't care.

00:44:46.020 I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's interesting to me.

00:44:48.520 It doesn't bother me.

00:44:49.080 But people saying, you know, we're coming for our checks.

00:44:53.440 We're coming for the money because of what happened to us.

00:44:55.580 I said, who is us?

00:44:57.280 Who is us?

00:44:58.180 Um, you, you, you, you talk about people you never knew and you demand money on their behalf.

00:45:05.240 I want my stuff.

00:45:07.740 I want my stuff is the cry of resentful period, resentful people across history.

00:45:13.700 I'm owed stuff.

00:45:14.840 Now, the thing is, is that, and again, this is what Nietzsche says, is that these people have to have one answer that you can say back at them, which nobody wants to hear.

00:45:25.400 The answer you can say back at them is, there is a person who's kept you back.

00:45:30.680 There is a person who's destroyed your life.

00:45:33.040 You.

00:45:33.600 You.

00:45:34.780 You are the one.

00:45:36.360 The problem is that nobody wants to hear that.

00:45:38.140 That used to be the thing that brought people here.

00:45:41.960 You know, the rest of the world, you were kept down by guilds and everything else.

00:45:48.320 And you could come here and there wasn't streets paved with gold.

00:45:53.760 But if you had a dream, you could at least pursue it.

00:45:57.840 And this is, this is also why the American hero is being pulled down matter so much.

00:46:01.180 It's not just about the past.

00:46:02.180 It's about who we emulate.

00:46:04.540 You know, the one of the reasons why Americans emulated Abraham Lincoln was not just what he achieved as president.

00:46:11.920 It was how he got there.

00:46:13.700 Yes.

00:46:14.100 You know, he was born essentially in the Iron Age.

00:46:19.360 You know, he had nothing.

00:46:20.840 Nothing.

00:46:21.220 He probably had one year of formal education.

00:46:25.020 The rest, Abraham Lincoln taught himself.

00:46:27.420 He taught himself.

00:46:28.300 His mom and his father fought him on it the whole time.

00:46:31.420 Yeah.

00:46:32.060 It's, it is, it is, you know, the great American story in one person comes from nothing and gets to the highest place in the land.

00:46:41.260 And so this is why it also matters.

00:46:42.880 And is kind and charitable and healing.

00:46:47.680 Absolutely.

00:46:48.040 And in the end, he was, he was killed by Booth because Booth was crazy about, with malice toward none.

00:46:58.080 Yes.

00:46:58.260 Charity towards all.

00:46:59.040 Right.

00:46:59.260 No.

00:46:59.940 Yes.

00:47:00.200 You got to be mad and come down and get us because then we'll kick your butt again. 0.98

00:47:03.980 See, this is the thing.

00:47:04.640 He's not just a great president or something like that.

00:47:07.920 He's a great role model.

00:47:09.380 Yes.

00:47:09.660 And a kind of, and a kind of martyr of America.

00:47:11.700 That's why you can't take him out.

00:47:13.300 Otherwise you take out America. 0.73

00:47:14.780 Right.

00:47:14.880 That's what they know.

00:47:15.760 That's what the cultural revolutionaries know.

00:47:17.500 But my point is, is that, is that everybody in their life could have the opportunity to be resentful.

00:47:24.660 And America has always distinguished herself as a country by having the opposite attitude.

00:47:30.960 You know, as I say, I come from a country where the sort of class structure thing is less than it used to be, but it still exists.

00:47:36.440 And as you say, in Europe and other countries in the West, there is something which is uncommon compared to America, which is a sort of feeling of sometimes, you know, if that person has something, you know, they've got it through some ill means.

00:47:49.880 And America, and I, I sense it myself as a fairly recent arrival.

00:47:54.040 And I've always sensed this.

00:47:55.500 People see somebody with something good and they say, I'd love to have that.

00:47:58.780 Good on that guy.

00:47:59.880 In other words, that is the opposite of a resentful person or resentful nation.

00:48:04.600 And the, and the true deep opposite of resentment, as I say in one of the chapters in the war in the West is gratitude.

00:48:13.220 Now, gratitude.

00:48:14.100 That's what we're missing.

00:48:15.480 Gratitude is what it seems to be completely missing from our lives now.

00:48:19.160 You know, like I walk around the cities of America and I, I think this is amazing.

00:48:25.340 Like every building here is amazing, let alone the ones that go up and up and up.

00:48:30.840 Who came up with that?

00:48:33.340 You, you know, you, you can look at cities like that, or you can look at them with the scowl and the resentment.

00:48:40.860 And, well, that was probably built on the back of labor that wasn't given enough.

00:48:48.100 And, and you can, you know, you can do that on everything.

00:48:50.300 You can do it on absolutely everything.

00:48:52.120 Or you can say, you can say, how amazing that we have this.

00:48:57.800 And one of the things that has happened in American life in particular, in the West as a whole in recent years,

00:49:03.720 has been this total loss of a sense of proportion as to what we are now versus what the rest of the world is now.

00:49:12.900 Never mind what we've been in history, you know, what we are now.

00:49:17.500 Why is it that America is still the number one destination of choice for migrants across the world?

00:49:23.280 Why?

00:49:24.360 Now, if you ask the people of resentment who spent recent years tearing at America saying it's a racist country and so on.

00:49:31.220 I mean, you know, you didn't see Jews trying to break into Nazi Austria.

00:49:36.740 Nope.

00:49:37.060 You know, the footfall tells us something.

00:49:43.080 And the footfall, the other countries people want to come to, all of the data shows it.

00:49:46.540 After America, the other countries include Britain, include Canada.

00:49:50.540 They're the Western countries, the Western democracies.

00:49:53.180 So why is that the case?

00:49:56.420 And I would suggest that we should remind ourselves of a very simple truth.

00:50:02.140 They want to come here now because we have something good.

00:50:08.020 Here's the follow on.

00:50:09.920 If we have something good now, it must be because we've done something good in the past.

00:50:15.300 Correct.

00:50:16.120 Right.

00:50:16.520 It's not an accident.

00:50:18.720 I'm very fond of this quote of Branch Rickey, who said at one point, said, luck is the residue of design.

00:50:25.760 We're not just lucky in America.

00:50:29.120 The luck comes from what men and women have done before us.

00:50:33.280 And if they had made bad choices, maybe we'd be Venezuela.

00:50:39.820 Maybe we'd be Sudan. 0.99

00:50:42.780 There's a reason it's America.

00:50:45.240 There's a reason people want to come.

00:50:47.080 You go across the border to Baja, California, in Mexico.

00:50:52.860 The poverty and the lifestyle is unbelievable.

00:50:58.040 You're on the same coastline, the same land, everything.

00:51:02.300 The only difference is, is the belief of the people and the belief of the government.

00:51:08.200 Yeah.

00:51:08.420 That's the only thing that's different.

00:51:09.720 And we are seeing in America in particular an attempt to pull down all of the things that make that prosperity and the ladders possible.

00:51:20.580 You know, that's that's a it's a very important thing to people for people to realize that when we've seen the row about, for instance, CRT in American schools in the last couple of years.

00:51:29.540 I go into a bit of that.

00:51:30.880 But when we look at that, what does that result in in real terms?

00:51:36.540 That whole project results in a claim that, for instance, timeliness is a white quality, that accuracy in maths is a white quality, that showing your workings is a white quality, that scientific accuracy is a white quality and on and on.

00:51:54.400 And then the testing is a white thing.

00:51:56.060 Isn't this, though, what you would do if you were preparing people to be slaves?

00:52:01.460 Well, to be totally subjugated and demoralized, for sure.

00:52:04.840 For sure.

00:52:05.360 I mean, you know, you see it in the specifics.

00:52:08.000 Why?

00:52:08.440 Again, why would why would, apart from this insane war on whiteness, which has come up in recent years, which is just I might get onto it, but is the most insane tactical misstep that the radical left could have made, in my view.

00:52:22.380 That warring on white people and saying that white people specifically and uniquely across history have something to pay for is a big misstep.

00:52:31.880 Why?

00:52:33.120 Because white people are the majority.

00:52:36.140 Now, if I said white people are just speaking or have taken it in the head over and over and over. 0.50

00:52:44.260 For sure, for sure.

00:52:45.820 But again, when you, when, when, look, let me just finish one other point and come back to that.

00:52:51.460 When you see people, again, like American teaching union head saying that standardized testing is the problem, what are they doing other than removing the ladders that exist for people of all ethnic backgrounds to get up?

00:53:03.080 Correct.

00:53:03.120 They think that they're kind of leveling the board somehow.

00:53:06.240 They're not.

00:53:06.800 They're removing the ladders.

00:53:09.420 You know, what is your what is your best chance if you're a young black boy or girl in America hoping to get out of the situation you've been born into?

00:53:17.860 If you've been born into a deprived background, it is to work hard at school.

00:53:22.140 It is to pass your tests.

00:53:23.900 It's to get out.

00:53:25.620 If you claim the tests are the problem, get rid of them, you will just make sure everyone is stuck where they are.

00:53:33.100 It's an absolute disgrace.

00:53:34.460 And it happens on the specific levels as well of taking out, you know, the programs for students of, you know, of distinction that's happened in New York and elsewhere.

00:53:46.280 But just get back to this point about the war on whiteness.

00:53:49.820 The insane thing about this is, and it's mainly, I have to say, white people who are doing it. 0.69

00:53:54.300 I mean, it's like Robin DiAngelo, the biggest race huckster of our day, apart from Ibram X. 1.00

00:53:59.660 Kendi.

00:54:01.000 Robin DiAngelo, of course, herself is white.

00:54:03.020 And she says in her disgusting book, there's no good form of being white and you can't get out of it. 0.60

00:54:11.160 Now, I say, do that with any other group.

00:54:14.080 Say there's no good form of being black and you can never not be black if you're born black. 0.99

00:54:18.800 I mean, we just all just be just disgusting racism right there.

00:54:22.500 Well, it is with Robin DiAngelo.

00:54:24.540 She's a racist. 1.00

00:54:26.240 Ibram X.

00:54:27.000 Kendi says in his book, How to Be an Anti-Racist, which I say you should just lose the word anti and you've got the accurate title.

00:54:33.360 That book says the answer to past inequalities is present day inequalities.

00:54:37.860 The answer to past prejudice is present prejudice.

00:54:40.120 So here's the thing.

00:54:41.940 Imagine if we took any minority group in modern day America, any minority group, Asians, Hispanics, anyone or smaller groups and said, we've got a message for you.

00:54:54.220 We've got a set of books, a set of claims, all the major papers, the major networks and others are going to start making the following case against you.

00:55:04.180 They're going to say there's nothing good about you.

00:55:07.840 They're going to say you've never had anything good about you.

00:55:12.060 They're going to say you're born guilty.

00:55:14.660 They're going to say that you can't get out of your guilt.

00:55:17.200 You can never atone for it.

00:55:18.420 They're going to say that you have no ancestors to be respected, that they're going to say that you have no history.

00:55:25.680 This is what they're going to do.

00:55:26.960 And much, much more.

00:55:28.540 They're going to pathologize you.

00:55:29.700 They're going to say that you have rage.

00:55:31.940 They're going to say you have fragility.

00:55:34.100 They're going to taunt you for your tears.

00:55:36.800 Now, imagine any minority that you did that to.

00:55:41.340 Do you think you could persuade them?

00:55:43.140 Do you think they would say, we love the sound of that.

00:55:46.400 We're going to go for that.

00:55:47.400 Sure, whatever you want.

00:55:48.980 So, no, I don't think any minority group would go along for that. 1.00

00:55:54.840 But that is the ride that they are inviting the majority in America, Britain and the rest of the West to go along with.

00:56:02.300 But that would.

00:56:04.260 It's like an insane overreach.

00:56:05.680 Right.

00:56:05.980 But that would come also along with the white guilt.

00:56:10.540 Well, I do have a lot.

00:56:12.700 I mean, you know, the insidious thing is you've never you confess your privilege.

00:56:18.840 You've had no privilege because you're white. 0.98

00:56:23.200 These people.

00:56:26.380 Personally, I've had enough.

00:56:28.400 I've had enough.

00:56:29.380 Yeah, me too.

00:56:29.800 They can't guess my privilege and I owe them nothing for any privileges or downsides I've had in my life.

00:56:36.380 I don't owe them an explanation and I'm not going to give them one.

00:56:39.960 Most of my ancestors were far from privileged.

00:56:43.640 Very far from privileged.

00:56:45.260 Mine too.

00:56:45.920 Tilled small amounts of not very fertile land.

00:56:49.980 Just about made it through winters.

00:56:51.820 And in the 20th century were called on twice to give their lives for a far off war that they didn't know much about.

00:57:01.360 That was the story of most of our ancestors of people who were white.

00:57:06.280 They weren't privileged.

00:57:07.840 And we're not.

00:57:08.820 And so we've just got to say we're not having that.

00:57:12.100 When you try to pathologize us and say we suffer from white rage or white fragility or anything else, say absolutely not having it.

00:57:19.960 And there's a standoff that's now necessary, I'm afraid.

00:57:23.780 And it can be done politely, but it will have to be done along these lines.

00:57:28.420 You show no respect for me.

00:57:30.140 I'm showing no respect for you.

00:57:32.660 You don't respect anything about my past.

00:57:35.780 Why should I respect yours?

00:57:37.180 You don't respect my ancestors.

00:57:38.840 Why should I respect yours?

00:57:40.260 You don't respect my culture. 0.99

00:57:41.920 Why should I respect yours?

00:57:44.800 Doesn't that deepen the divide?

00:57:46.400 My suggestion is that a standoff like that could help solve it because it says, don't you make me lesser than.

00:57:58.280 I'm not going to make you lesser than.

00:58:01.060 You know, I don't think I'm better than anyone else because of the color of my skin.

00:58:04.780 It's a ridiculous idea.

00:58:06.100 I'm like, you'd have to be crazy to think that.

00:58:08.180 It's like saying I'm better than you because I'm a man.

00:58:10.320 I mean, I'm 5'10".

00:58:14.320 But somebody else isn't better than me because of their skin color either.

00:58:20.960 It's a totally unimportant thing.

00:58:24.040 But if it's unimportant, you cannot weaponize it against one group.

00:58:29.400 And I think that people have to be told to step back from this.

00:58:33.360 We have to make the race hucksters like D'Angelo and Kendi. 1.00

00:58:38.140 We have to make them be held to account for what they've done.

00:58:42.540 These people have re-racialized American society. 0.76

00:58:47.320 When they come along talking of reparations now for things done centuries ago,

00:58:53.180 they are dividing American society anew.

00:58:57.380 What do they think the reparations would look like in the 21st century?

00:59:00.660 I mean, how would you even, okay, I'm white, but my family didn't come over until 1880.

00:59:09.080 Right.

00:59:09.300 So do I have to pay the reparations?

00:59:12.200 And how do we work it out among people who are descended from slaves and slavers?

00:59:16.860 Yeah.

00:59:17.260 Don't let's forget that the people who were responsible for the origin of the slave trade

00:59:21.820 were black Africans selling their brothers and sisters. 1.00

00:59:24.240 As Voltaire says, the only thing worse than what the Europeans did to the Africans 1.00

00:59:27.460 was what the Africans did to their brother Africans. 0.91

00:59:29.820 So are we going to work out who's descended from who?

00:59:33.660 Are we going to set up a great big DNA database in a country that isn't wild about the idea

00:59:38.760 of even showing your basic voter ID when you go to the polls?

00:59:41.980 I don't know how that one's going to work.

00:59:44.300 So these people don't really mean it.

00:59:46.960 I don't think they really mean it.

00:59:49.260 I think they want to tear at wounds, reopen them and claim victimhood. 0.91

00:59:54.100 And we have to say, not that's an interesting discussion or I wonder how we could do that.

00:59:58.980 But no, no, we've paid.

01:00:02.160 We've paid.

01:00:02.840 It's settled.

01:00:03.900 Move on.

01:00:05.440 Somebody said to me today, if a car crashed into you and you could never get hold of your

01:00:14.340 insurance company or any others, anyone else's, you know, wouldn't you feel that you were

01:00:19.480 owed, I said, sure, if that happened to me, but if it happened to one of my ancestors centuries

01:00:25.320 ago, I'd kind of think, well, I'm going to get on with my life.

01:00:30.940 You know?

01:00:31.700 Yeah.

01:00:31.980 I think those are, that's one of those things that, um, what you just said, no, is one of

01:00:41.820 those things that you were talking about at the beginning that I thought, I can say

01:00:48.820 that I can say that.

01:00:51.000 Yeah.

01:00:51.420 Hearing you so clear on that, you know, I think there's a lot of people that don't, I

01:00:58.220 mean, we do a lot of heavy lifting.

01:01:00.060 You, you more probably than me, but we do a lot of mental, uh, heavy lifting.

01:01:05.700 I would say it's a pleasure.

01:01:07.120 Yeah.

01:01:07.560 Pardon me?

01:01:08.020 It's a pleasure.

01:01:08.720 Yeah.

01:01:09.140 But it's, it's, we are thinking of things because we have the time.

01:01:13.860 This is what we do that.

01:01:15.460 The average person doesn't.

01:01:16.980 That's right.

01:01:17.280 And I think the average person doesn't know exact, there's no model out there.

01:01:23.460 You know, the model was Donald Trump.

01:01:25.560 That wasn't necessarily a good model, you know?

01:01:28.560 Um, and, uh, there's no real, um, model of people getting along, people having friendly

01:01:38.220 discussions that disagree with each other and nobody that can just clearly stand up.

01:01:43.360 I mean, that's the thing I love.

01:01:44.700 Churchill is one of my favorite, one of my favorite people in history.

01:01:47.860 Um, and he just didn't seem to care.

01:01:53.440 He knew what was right for Europe and for England.

01:01:58.340 Uh, and he said it.

01:01:59.900 And, you know, if you read about Churchill from the Indian perspective, he's a monster. 1.00

01:02:06.420 Yeah.

01:02:06.720 And they accused him of things that he didn't do.

01:02:08.540 Yeah, but he also did some things that, you know, he wasn't proud of even at the end of

01:02:13.820 his life, but that makes him human.

01:02:16.120 Sure.

01:02:16.360 That makes him human in that age, you know?

01:02:19.040 And was he getting better or was he worse by the end of his life?

01:02:22.700 Yeah.

01:02:22.940 Um, but I, you know, there's people, people need more examples and to be able to see people

01:02:31.680 in their office, stand up and say, no, I'm not going, I'm not going to that.

01:02:37.800 I'm not going to the seminar where I have to confess my whiteness.

01:02:40.960 That's right.

01:02:41.400 Absolutely.

01:02:41.760 You can, you can say no, um, and should, um, do you know that great speech of Churchill's

01:02:47.760 on the death of Chamberlain?

01:02:49.840 I'm not sure.

01:02:50.680 Um, on the death of Neville Chamberlain, um, who was obviously his main adversary.

01:02:56.380 Um, Winston Churchill gave one of the greatest speeches ever given.

01:03:00.780 Um, it's 1940.

01:03:02.960 Chamberlain had obviously only very recently had to leave office and died very shortly

01:03:07.360 afterwards of cancer.

01:03:08.840 And Churchill gave the most remarkable speech.

01:03:11.580 I urge people to look it up.

01:03:13.080 He, and it's a very, very generous speech.

01:03:16.140 Like you say about Lincoln, an extraordinarily magnanimous man.

01:03:19.080 And he says, among other things, he says, what is, what was the mistake of Neville Chamberlain

01:03:23.700 to have fallen for the lies of a wicked man?

01:03:26.500 No, but he also says he has an extraordinary passage in the, and I'll try to do it off my

01:03:30.840 heart, but he says, um, he says, uh, um, he, he talks about history and how it will view

01:03:39.220 any man.

01:03:40.600 And he says at one point, uh, he says history with her flickering lamp stumbles along the

01:03:47.920 trails of the past and illuminates with pale echoes the former days.

01:03:53.400 He says, what is the worth of all this?

01:03:55.740 He says, the only guide to a man is his conscience.

01:03:58.600 The only shield to his memory is the rectitude and the sincerity of his actions.

01:04:06.020 And as he says, he says, we have to hold onto those things because our hopes, he says,

01:04:13.480 are so often marked in one phase, men seem to have been right. 0.96

01:04:18.120 And in another, they seem to have been wrong.

01:04:19.880 He says, but if you hold onto these things, he says, however the fates may play, you march

01:04:26.380 always in the ranks of honor.

01:04:30.160 Now that was one of the key insights that Churchill had was you will hold on to the rectitude and

01:04:39.360 the sincerity of your actions and the fates will play with you and they will knock you

01:04:43.020 and they will buff in you.

01:04:44.220 And sometimes the whole world will be against you, but hold onto them and you march your

01:04:49.860 always in the ranks of honor.

01:04:52.320 I talked to a guy who studied, he wrote the book, The Pendulum.

01:04:56.300 I don't know if you've ever read it, but it's the, the 80 year swing from me to we.

01:05:02.260 Oh yeah.

01:05:03.240 Yeah.

01:05:04.100 And he tracked it all the way back and it's fascinating.

01:05:08.280 And I called him up and he said, I've been waiting for you to call me.

01:05:12.020 And he said, I've been watching you for a while.

01:05:14.220 He said, you know, you're not going to win.

01:05:16.400 And I was like, what?

01:05:18.020 And he said, no, no.

01:05:20.060 He said, there's lots of people like you out there.

01:05:23.460 I think you're one of them that we are marching at a, at a time against the, the main feeling

01:05:35.080 and movement, uh, and it will be recognized later as the right thing.

01:05:42.380 But these people all throughout history that are, are marching, uh, to, to the drum of honor

01:05:52.140 and integrity.

01:05:53.060 Um, that's, um, that's, it's possible.

01:05:56.340 I mean, I never really think of winning or losing because I just think you do what you

01:06:00.380 think is right.

01:06:01.080 And yeah, you know, you know, it's just, well, maybe, maybe it'll come right in my own time.

01:06:07.320 Maybe it won't.

01:06:07.900 I don't, I mean, I hope, I know what I hope, but I don't rely on it.

01:06:11.460 And, um, and the, that friction of marching against the crowd is, I, my experience is

01:06:17.620 a perfectly pleasant one.

01:06:18.560 You know, I don't mind it.

01:06:20.140 I think it sharpens you.

01:06:21.120 Yeah.

01:06:21.700 Opposition in all things.

01:06:23.400 It's in.

01:06:23.880 Yes.

01:06:24.300 Who would want to be going along with lockstep with everything you were told?

01:06:27.700 And I hope that young people in particular watching realize this, that, that, that, you

01:06:32.280 know, they're being offered today a really banal list of things, you know, a really banal

01:06:39.240 list of things.

01:06:40.040 They're being told that, you know, the meaning of life is, is to be found in social activism

01:06:45.480 and, um, and seeking social justice and confessing their privilege.

01:06:51.020 And if they're white kind of shrinking themselves and kind of, you know, hoping they get through 1.00

01:06:56.820 life without anyone noticing and then dying and hoping that they didn't harm anyone.

01:07:02.240 Um, this is not a heroic narrative.

01:07:05.320 This is a slave narrative.

01:07:07.120 I mean, this is a, this is a subservient narrative and it's being, it's being offered to everybody

01:07:12.440 and it's being offered to the people who claim, who, who it said can then present themselves

01:07:17.840 as victims and the people who it's alleged to benefit from privilege.

01:07:21.300 They are all being invited to follow a slave narrative, a specifically subservient form

01:07:28.940 of life where you cringe your way through.

01:07:31.680 That's why they attack people like Elon Musk, by the way, because I think this is a guy who's

01:07:36.200 simultaneously trying to work out how we have cars without fossil fuels and is also trying

01:07:40.400 to work out how to get to Mars.

01:07:41.720 That sounds like a pretty, pretty full agenda.

01:07:43.960 They attack these people.

01:07:46.120 They don't want people who actually dream big.

01:07:48.020 They don't want people who do things big.

01:07:49.960 They don't want that.

01:07:50.600 They want the era to admire weak people.

01:07:54.120 Was it Hank or Harry Reardon?

01:07:57.300 Reardon Steele from Atlas Shrugged?

01:08:00.560 Did you?

01:08:00.740 Oh, yes, yes.

01:08:01.400 Go ahead.

01:08:01.680 Remember?

01:08:02.740 Yeah, I've been in a long time.

01:08:03.840 That's why I can't remember his name.

01:08:04.920 I think I have a right.

01:08:06.340 But that was his main crime.

01:08:08.160 Right.

01:08:08.640 You're doing it on your own.

01:08:10.160 You can't do it.

01:08:11.060 Right.

01:08:11.300 You cannot do it on your own and you can't do it for your purposes.

01:08:15.420 And we have to we have to remind particularly, as I say, particularly younger people that

01:08:20.380 this is a lie and that they are being offered a bad life.

01:08:24.040 And they I think they know it.

01:08:26.440 I'm sure.

01:08:27.180 I'm sure they can sense it, but they have to be reminded of it.

01:08:29.480 So what is a good life in this?

01:08:31.660 It is to dream bigger.

01:08:33.440 It is to think bigger.

01:08:34.740 It is not to be a slave with slave mentality and subservient mentality.

01:08:39.180 It is whatever your racial background to realize that if you're born in the West, you've been 0.78

01:08:44.340 given already the biggest head start you could have in life.

01:08:47.580 Don't throw it away.

01:08:49.440 Don't piss it away.

01:08:51.580 Make sure you make something of yourself.

01:08:54.560 You've been given the best opportunity you can be given from the start.

01:09:00.680 So don't waste it.

01:09:02.520 Do something amazing.

01:09:03.740 How are we perceived overseas?

01:09:12.320 Are we the disease?

01:09:14.200 Most people see it.

01:09:15.380 See America.

01:09:16.240 I mean, America used to be a net importer of bad ideas.

01:09:20.800 And now it's a net exporter.

01:09:23.320 See, countries like France, no less a figure than the French president, has said we cannot

01:09:28.120 allow this American cultural movement of, you know, all the BLM and CRT stuff.

01:09:33.840 But that's happening.

01:09:34.480 We can't allow it to come into France.

01:09:35.760 I've seen that happening over in England.

01:09:38.260 Oh, sure.

01:09:38.520 But it's not taking root.

01:09:39.740 Well, no, I describe in the war in the West, the way in which this is taking root in Britain,

01:09:44.660 that it's come from America.

01:09:46.140 You know, the BLM movement, when it kicked off in the U.S., immediately was replayed in the

01:09:50.620 U.K.

01:09:51.020 It doesn't fit.

01:09:52.580 I mean, among other things, as I point out at the time, we have unarmed police officers.

01:09:56.300 You know, we don't have even the specifics.

01:10:01.900 These very ugly attempts to sort of import it wholesale.

01:10:05.120 I think English-speaking countries are particularly vulnerable to the American political exports

01:10:10.160 and cultural exports.

01:10:11.640 Other countries realize they've got to cut themselves off from it.

01:10:14.740 And sadly, people in countries like Britain are also realizing that, that you can't import,

01:10:19.440 you mustn't import, you must keep this away. 1.00

01:10:21.580 You must keep the cultural revolution out of your country.

01:10:24.000 We'll see if that works.

01:10:25.020 As for the rest of the world, well, I mean, one of the chapters in the war in the West, 0.98

01:10:30.560 I give the example of what the rest of the world is doing whilst America is doing this.

01:10:34.820 We spoke a bit earlier about China.

01:10:36.280 But what a shot in our own feet we keep on doing.

01:10:41.480 You know, take those early moments of the Biden administration when Secretary Blinken meets

01:10:47.200 his opposite numbers and is berated by them for daring to question what the Chinese government

01:10:53.620 is doing.

01:10:54.740 And then look at that amazing cell phone of America, the United Nations in March of last

01:10:59.840 year.

01:11:00.760 The new ambassador, the American ambassador to the United Nations, Linda Thomas-Greenfield,

01:11:05.020 gives a speech on International Racism Awareness Day at the UN, which is one of those very productive

01:11:10.720 sessions.

01:11:11.220 Of course, racism was, I think, ended after that day.

01:11:15.500 And the American representative gives a speech saying that America is a racist society.

01:11:22.440 She identifies the killing of George Floyd.

01:11:26.260 She identifies the spa massacre that had nothing to do with race as another example of racism.

01:11:31.920 She says that America has had this from the foundations, that the foundations were founded in sin.

01:11:36.600 She does all of this and then remembers at the end of the speech to say, oh, and there's other forms

01:11:40.580 of racism in the world, like the treatment of Rohingya Muslims in Myanmar and also the Uyghurs

01:11:44.460 in China.

01:11:45.640 Who's the next person up at the UN but the Chinese ambassador who says, America has no right to lecture

01:11:55.420 the Chinese people.

01:11:57.380 And the representative says, the Chinese representative says, America has done something unique today.

01:12:03.680 Their representative has come to the United Nations and confessed their guilt.

01:12:08.900 So they have no right to tell the Chinese people anything. 0.99

01:12:13.020 That's how the rest of the world views America.

01:12:15.300 They view it as idiotic, self-punching, self-destructive, self-owning, self-destroying.

01:12:25.080 And this is convenient for some of the rest of the world, you know, it's very convenient for

01:12:31.740 our opponents, our competitors, that we would spend this period in history doing this.

01:12:40.040 Tell me, tell me about Russia and your view of, I mean, this just doesn't seem right.

01:12:49.020 It doesn't sit right with me.

01:12:50.360 This whole seems to me like we are pushing for war and I, I worry and I care for the Ukrainian

01:13:05.060 people, but I, I, and maybe I'm just like the people were in the 1930s with Hitler, you

01:13:15.020 know, let's, let's, let's hold on here.

01:13:16.940 I don't want him in there.

01:13:18.000 I don't want him crossing that border, but, but let's not get into a global war.

01:13:24.000 Let's also, I mean, I agree.

01:13:26.600 I mean, that, that's what has to be averted at all costs.

01:13:28.440 And there is obviously a very big policy divide in, in America at the moment about this of

01:13:32.780 people who see this as an opportunity to, to further weaken the Kremlin, which is in

01:13:38.740 general a desirable thing.

01:13:40.060 I think the weaker the Kremlin, the better.

01:13:41.440 Um, but on the other hand, careful what you wish for, uh, because we don't know what was

01:13:49.240 next.

01:13:49.660 We don't know what comes next.

01:13:50.840 The guy also has, we think cancer.

01:13:53.340 He's not long for the world.

01:13:54.760 You think it's, I mean, he looks ill.

01:13:57.480 Yeah, that's for sure.

01:13:58.340 And he's had, I think they said 56, what they think are radiation treatments.

01:14:06.000 And now he's going under the knife.

01:14:07.620 That was a strange wobble.

01:14:08.960 He did the other day somewhere.

01:14:10.140 I mean, yeah, he's certainly finding it harder to hide whatever it is he does have.

01:14:13.700 But, but, you know, it's, Russian history, even more than the history of most nations

01:14:20.640 is a reminder that everything can always be worse.

01:14:23.040 You know, what comes next isn't necessarily an improvement.

01:14:27.300 I mean, I, I don't know what would happen if, uh, if there was actually a power struggle

01:14:31.140 in Moscow, because you know, remember the Americans had a plan once of how to, if, if

01:14:36.320 there was a coup in Pakistan, how to get the nukes out.

01:14:39.000 Does anyone have a plan for how to secure the nuclear sites if Russia falls apart?

01:14:43.960 I don't know.

01:14:44.680 But one thing I would say though, is we do have to be very careful not to be distracted

01:14:48.660 from the much more important 21st century challenger, which is China.

01:14:53.440 There, I, I see no scenario in which the Russian economy overtakes the American economy in our

01:14:58.880 lifetimes.

01:14:59.500 It's like saying that the Greek economy might become the number one world economy.

01:15:03.600 Well, there is, of course, as you know, China, that's another story. 0.75

01:15:07.620 And I'm concerned that we would take our eye off the ball and get, we're at war on the

01:15:14.300 streets here.

01:15:15.060 Then at war in Europe with Russia, you know, Japan is about to collapse on itself economically.

01:15:24.540 What would stop China from just taking Taiwan?

01:15:28.060 And then it's over.

01:15:29.160 Then it's just, then they, they've got it all.

01:15:32.380 Well, this, you know, I'm sure, I'm sure you've thought like I have in recent years quite

01:15:36.820 often, like, is this the moment when people kind of realize what we have is quite good

01:15:42.320 here and change tack?

01:15:45.180 And I, I wondered that at the beginning of the, uh, coronavirus here, I sort of wondered

01:15:49.800 if we would, you know, sort of jog us.

01:15:51.760 I, I wondered that at the beginning of the, uh, Ukraine invasion.

01:15:55.300 But so maybe it's a forlorn hope, but maybe it isn't that, you know, the way I, I, I say

01:16:02.440 it to people is I say, uh, you know, if you, if you thought that you didn't like the period

01:16:06.080 of American hegemony, you know, wait till you get the Chinese one. 0.98

01:16:10.020 I mean, wait, wait till you see, you know, the footage from Shanghai of the residents screaming,

01:16:14.920 wait until you see that that would be your future for the rest of time.

01:16:18.180 Uh, um, if you're concerned about what I would describe as last stage human rights acquisitions,

01:16:26.320 like last, last, last bits of human rights acquisitions, not equal rights under the law

01:16:30.400 or anything like that, but like the last little bits of it.

01:16:33.340 If you think that those last bits not going precisely your way are the worst thing ever,

01:16:41.220 wait till the Chinese communist party has dominance.

01:16:43.540 Uh, they will be fascinated to hear your human rights complaints.

01:16:48.400 Really interested.

01:16:49.680 Yeah.

01:16:50.220 Yeah.

01:16:50.680 Yeah.

01:16:51.840 Um, it is a pleasure talking to you.

01:16:54.340 Well, likewise.

01:16:55.540 Thank you for your book.

01:16:57.520 Thank you for, um, standing at the gate and ringing the bell.

01:17:02.940 Well, as I say, it's, it's a pleasure, but I also think it's a duty.

01:17:09.440 Optimistic, pessimistic, neutral.

01:17:14.180 Uh, it depends what subject.

01:17:16.900 Survival of the Americas of America and survival of the West.

01:17:21.460 So, um, uh, long-term optimistic, short-term pessimistic, long-term optimistic, because as

01:17:27.160 I said, I don't believe you can end the end, subjugate a majority.

01:17:31.220 And the one thing I would add to that is let's not think that there's going to be any one

01:17:37.900 person who leads us out of this.

01:17:39.940 The job is up to us.

01:17:41.380 Every single one of us.

01:17:43.400 It's, you know, who is it that, you know, there are a lot of these academics, um, cooking

01:17:48.360 up this stupid CRT rubbish in recent years, coming up with this theory that, you know,

01:17:52.600 reminds me of the old joke about the French, you know, this works in practice, but can

01:17:56.020 we make it work in theory?

01:17:57.660 Um, the, they work at this theory and it's a intersectionality and it's such BS as anyone

01:18:04.620 who looks at notes, but they're working at this theory and then they like try to roll

01:18:08.940 it out on the American public and it's first meeting with the American public as a whole

01:18:15.560 parents.

01:18:16.920 It's a disaster, disaster.

01:18:20.120 Like you're telling my kid that because of their skin color, they're less than another

01:18:24.680 kid.

01:18:25.880 Well, that was working well as a theory when they were working away in Berkeley, but when

01:18:30.880 that theory met American moms, different stories. 0.98

01:18:34.760 So as I say, short term, there's going to be a lot of, a lot of trouble.

01:18:38.940 Long term, there's no way we can't win.

01:18:43.460 No way.

01:18:45.180 Gosh, from your mouth to God's ears.

01:18:46.920 Thank you.

01:18:47.460 Appreciate it.

01:18:47.980 Douglas.

01:18:48.420 It's a pleasure.

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The Glenn Beck Program - May 07, 2022

Ep 145 ｜ How to END Marxist Attempts to Destroy America ｜ Douglas Murray ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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