The Glenn Beck Program - Ep 148 ｜ 'The Justice System IS Rigged Against Republicans' ｜ Guest： Bill Barr

00:00:00.000 Only two people in American history have ever served as attorney general two times.

00:00:05.260 One of them is joining me in the studio. Born and raised in New York, today's guest always

00:00:10.680 dreamt about being in the intelligence community. He joined the CIA, I think in 1971. He was

00:00:16.180 attending law school. After he graduated, he focused on constitutional law and then

00:00:21.200 joined the Department of Justice. While he never saw himself becoming attorney general,

00:00:26.460 it kind of seemed like it was destined that he would. Starting off in the Reagan administration,

00:00:32.620 he quickly rose to prominence until President George H.W. Bush made him the nation's top law

00:00:38.700 enforcement officer for the very first time. His second term under a second president came

00:00:44.940 with Donald Trump. I'm going to ask him, I don't think he ever really wanted the job.

00:00:53.200 In the two final years of Trump's presidency, there was a constant stream of unjust and

00:01:01.000 often unconstitutional attacks against the president, and that brought him out of retirement

00:01:06.920 to make sure that Donald Trump got a fair shake. He was forced to deal with an impeachment,

00:01:12.940 a summer of racial turmoil, and on top of that, a global pandemic. While he was sometimes critical

00:01:19.740 of Trump and his actions, he also has defended him, and his book defends him quite a bit.

00:01:26.940 He defended him against the harshest of critics, which was practically everyone in corporate media.

00:01:33.420 And now, it looks like his final legacy, Special Counsel John Durham's investigation into the Trump-Russia

00:01:40.480 probe and Hillary Clinton is hitting some pay dirt. Through it all, today's guest believes that he has

00:01:48.520 always stood for what was right, his principles. He always tried to do the next right thing,

00:01:56.360 even in the face of massive opposition, no matter where it came from. He wrote it all down in a new

00:02:02.740 book. It is called One Damn Thing After Another, Memoirs of an Attorney General. Today, on the Glenn Beck

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00:03:45.980 Bill, I think this is the best title of any book that could be written today. Because that's,

00:04:04.380 I think every American gets up every day and goes, what the hell is this now? It's one thing after

00:04:12.040 another. And you were at the center of the storm. And well, I'll get into how you handled things a

00:04:24.740 little later on. But did you even want this job? No, I mean, I was very happy edging into retirement.

00:04:34.240 Yeah. I was on some really good boards and doing some consulting with clients I liked. And I was

00:04:39.980 starting to enjoy my grandchildren. I'd promised my wife, you know, that at some point we'd be able

00:04:45.140 to slow down. And so the last thing I wanted to do was go back into the government. Certainly not a

00:04:49.680 job I had already had before. So why did you? Because I thought we were heading into a constitutional

00:04:54.640 crisis. I think whatever you think of Trump, the fact is that the whole Russiagate thing was a grave

00:05:01.080 injustice. It was a, it appears to be a dirty political trick that was used first to hobble them

00:05:08.180 and then potentially to drive them from office. And may I ask, and I don't, I hate the word treason

00:05:19.000 because it's the only thing in the constitution and it has a punishment tied to it, but is it at

00:05:24.520 least seditious to do something like this? I believe it is seditious. Yes. And, and you know,

00:05:31.840 whether that can be proved in court as a crime is it is one issue, but I think people are now coming

00:05:37.660 to see what actually happened. Uh, people have to remember there's a difference between the

00:05:42.280 standard you use in a criminal case, which is the highest possible standard and the standard of

00:05:48.200 evidence that most people use in their daily life to make a judgment, which is much lower than that.

00:05:53.580 That's why I hate to use the word because to me it's treason what the way this happened,

00:05:58.740 but there's a very, it's a very different standard than the one everybody always just throws out.

00:06:03.560 It was a gross injustice. It was, it was, and it, and it hurt the United States in many ways,

00:06:10.220 including what we're seeing in Ukraine these days, you know, it, it, it distorted our foreign

00:06:15.080 policy and so forth. But I felt that the president was not getting his due as president. Uh, he was

00:06:22.420 entitled having won the election to implement his administration and they were, and you know,

00:06:28.400 they had him on the ropes and, uh, a lot of people, the regular bar, the, the lions of the

00:06:35.040 bar and so forth were not stepping forward. And I tried to advance some other people to be attorney

00:06:40.640 general. Uh, but none of Washington tried that too, but none were getting traction. And the question

00:06:46.860 ultimately became the president wants to talk to you. Are you willing to talk to him? And I wasn't

00:06:51.080 going to do that unless I was willing to accept it if he offered it. And so I, what'd your wife say?

00:06:56.420 Well, my wife was initially reluctant, but I think, um, cause I'd promised her, you know,

00:07:02.240 so they would, but I think it was the treatment of, um, of, uh, Brett Kavanaugh, uh, up on the

00:07:10.900 Supreme court who she knew, uh, we, we knew him since he was a young newly minted lawyer. And to watch

00:07:17.580 that savagery really appalled her. And she said, you know, someone has to do something about these

00:07:23.320 people. And, uh, so she agreed that if the president offered, I would accept it. So, um,

00:07:30.860 and, and, and this is going to sound like a backhanded compliment and I don't mean it this

00:07:34.740 way. Um, you've been an attorney general twice now. Um, one of the very few, two, maybe two of you.

00:07:41.980 Um, and you were, you started with Reagan, you went into George HW Bush. Um, you were there for

00:07:53.140 really important stuff. Um, but you, and please understand, listen to the whole thing. You weren't

00:08:01.540 a standout then. And that's because everybody was kind of solid. You know what I mean? You were a

00:08:10.340 standout because nobody was solid. You know, a lot of us would listen and go, okay, what are you saying?

00:08:19.580 Um, and that's troubling, very troubling. Cause it's, I think it's even worse now.

00:08:28.120 Yeah. Well, yes, I think, I think it's harder and harder to get good people to go into government.

00:08:34.040 Uh, the costs are very high. The sacrifices are very high. The, the, what you have to put up with.

00:08:41.920 Um, so, but I felt the reasons for me not taking the job all had to do with my personal comfort.

00:08:50.500 The reasons for me taking the job had to do with making sure that President Trump was treated fairly

00:08:56.500 and had his due as president. And, um, I've talked to President Trump about this. I said,

00:09:02.300 did you have any idea? And he said, no, I had no idea. I'd be fighting for my life every day from

00:09:09.600 all angles. Did you feel that was the case too? That, I mean, cause you have always been respected,

00:09:17.000 but you came under attack from everybody. So I ignored the, the attacks. I told my team when I

00:09:23.680 went in there that we were going to be under savage attack. I knew what I was getting into.

00:09:28.280 Uh, I wasn't going in to be Trump's best buddy. I was going in to run the department of justice and

00:09:33.520 help try to write the ship. Uh, but I also knew the left would hate me. Uh, and, uh, I wasn't

00:09:42.060 disappointed. And, and I just told my team, look, if some people get absorbed as how they're treated in

00:09:49.080 the press and I said, ignore it, just ignore it. And I did, I tried. You, you talk in the book about

00:09:55.420 the Rodney King riots. Can you take it, take me through the difference between the Rodney King

00:10:03.440 riots and 2020 BLM riots and how they were handled and what, what was different?

00:10:10.720 Well, the Rodney King riots as bad as they were, people forget that there, there was not widespread

00:10:19.060 rioting, uh, after, uh, the beating of Rodney King, people allowed the process to, to move forward

00:10:27.860 and the police were tried by the state, but then they were acquitted. And it was only after the

00:10:34.620 acquittal that the rioting started. Whereas, you know, with George Floyd, it started instantaneously.

00:10:43.580 There was no chance. The system was not given a chance to respond.

00:10:47.880 And it, but even when it, even when it wasn't, I mean, just the, the system of public opinion,

00:10:53.040 we, I think most Americans were lockstep. That was wrong. That was absolutely wrong. And yet that

00:11:00.800 didn't seem to matter. Well, I think after, you know, I think some of the initial reaction,

00:11:06.060 uh, was spontaneous, but I think after a couple of days, there was a deliberate effort to ratchet

00:11:14.440 this up. And I believe that the reason it was ratcheted up, uh, and the reason all these agent

00:11:21.040 provocateurs got involved and the violence started around the country had less and less to do with

00:11:27.080 civil rights, uh, and more to do with the posture of the democratic party going into the election.

00:11:32.840 I think they were feeling desperate because, uh, Trump had closed some of the gap on African

00:11:38.720 American voters and, and, uh, they decided to turn up, uh, the race card. And, and unfortunately this

00:11:47.900 event, which as you say, everyone was horrified by, uh, gave them, uh, you know, the cover to do that

00:11:55.300 essentially. And then we, and then we had the response or what seemed to be a lack of response.

00:12:04.120 Um, and I'm putting myself in your shoes and the president's shoes. You're in a lose lose.

00:12:11.560 What were the conversations like on, on how to ratchet those riots and Portland, how to get that

00:12:19.580 under control? Well, Portland is really a special case in Seattle too. I would put them in a category

00:12:24.880 by themselves. But, uh, so, you know, a lot of people don't realize that the federal government

00:12:29.700 doesn't have the resources to deal with civil unrest unless we use the army and bring in the

00:12:35.960 regular military, which we were reluctant to do. I was involved in the last two incidents of that,

00:12:40.980 including the Rodney King matter in Louisiana, where we brought in Marines, but, uh, we don't have

00:12:48.040 hundreds of marshals we can deploy. And that's a good thing. Yeah. So when I came into office,

00:12:53.420 actually, uh, I expected there would be some civil unrest and I went to Congress and I asked for 300

00:12:58.880 more marshals. So I would have a pool of trained people that could be used, but, uh, I didn't get

00:13:06.540 them, but, uh, the name they're being funded now, probably to chase after parents. Right. But, um,

00:13:16.060 uh, so I didn't, I didn't get those resources and, and the name of the game I think was to push the

00:13:22.260 states and the local government to do their job. If the federal government comes in and bails them

00:13:26.960 out, then they're just going to sit by the sideline, but they have, you know, they have the

00:13:31.800 police forces, they have the local, uh, system, the prison system and so forth. So they're best

00:13:37.840 situated to deal with it. And so our strategy was to push them to do it and call out the national

00:13:43.180 guard if necessary. And some did governor camp did a good job in, in Georgia. He called out the

00:13:48.940 national guard and some, and some of the other governors did too. But at the end of the day,

00:13:54.280 uh, what I felt was the, the violence was ebbing except in the Pacific Northwest.

00:14:01.060 And the question is, should we do anything further there? We were protecting the courthouse

00:14:06.880 in Portland and we felt secure. We, we could protect the courthouse with the marshals, which

00:14:11.940 we had there, but, and we were trying to pinpoint and arrest the, the key troublemakers. And we

00:14:18.240 arrested the arsonists and many of the interstate people who were involved in, they were charged

00:14:23.720 and prosecuted federally. You just didn't read about it very much. But, um, the president and I

00:14:30.940 did have a difference of opinion. He wanted, uh, you know, he was talking to people on the phone

00:14:34.960 all the time and they were telling him, you know, you look weak and terrible. You should sort of go

00:14:38.280 out and crush what's happening in Portland. And I said, let's, you know, step back from this.

00:14:43.380 What, what is the army going to do when they get there? Right. If we detain people, we're gonna have

00:14:48.140 to bring them before judges. The judges out there are not going to hold these people who will be

00:14:52.540 impotent. And instead of them throwing bricks at us marshals, they'll be throwing bricks at the 82nd

00:14:57.580 airport. And it will just show that we're, you know, we really don't have the power unless we

00:15:01.980 really use extraordinary military powers, which will then cause an eruption around the country.

00:15:08.080 The mayors and the governors in those other cities will sit back and say, you broke it,

00:15:12.480 you fix it. And we'll be deploying every division we have to, to pacify the country in an election year.

00:15:19.580 That that's crazy. You know, it, that's why I started with, you were in Iraq in a hard place. I'm a,

00:15:26.400 I'm a small federal government guy. Um, I want the state to retain its, its rights. Um, and that's

00:15:34.340 really one of the reasons why it's so disturbing what happened on January 6th on multiple levels,

00:15:42.380 both sides. Yes. Tell me about your January 6th experience. Well, I wasn't there. I had resigned

00:15:47.740 on December 14th, which was the day the electoral college met. And I felt we were, you know, that was

00:15:54.980 definitive and I didn't see the election outcome was going to change. So I tendered my resignation

00:16:00.060 and I was out by Christmas. And then I just saw what was happening on the Hill. And I immediately

00:16:04.760 issued a statement, old habits die hard. I called up my former press secretary and said, put out a

00:16:10.800 statement. So, uh, because I was, uh, revolted at that. I think we all were. Yeah. The violence,

00:16:16.540 especially the attacks on the police officers and so forth. And, uh, I was very upset with the

00:16:24.720 president because whether, I don't think he legally, from what I saw, he didn't legally incite it in the

00:16:30.500 legal sense of the word, but he was responsible for essentially, uh, sending, uh, a large demonstration

00:16:38.200 that had a clear mob element in it. They came just the way Antifa sometimes comes, you know,

00:16:43.660 armed for combat and ready to go. And I think it's okay for people to demonstrate people have

00:16:50.620 first amendment rights, but for one branch of government to sick a mob on another branch of

00:16:56.200 government to, to intimidate them, uh, and giving them the idea that something they can do up there

00:17:01.880 can change what the vice president's going to do. I thought it was wrong. And for the same reason,

00:17:06.700 I think what's happening with the Supreme court is wrong. It's the same principle, uh, for, for

00:17:12.300 Congress or, uh, you know, the Democrats to be weak on the subject of whether, um, uh, demonstration

00:17:18.980 should be permitted in front, in front of the houses of justice. It's the same principle involved,

00:17:24.000 which is you don't, one branch of government shouldn't be using a mob to intimidate another

00:17:29.220 branch of government. However, when you look at it and I mean, I was upset with Donald Trump on

00:17:36.000 January 6th, what are you doing? Why aren't you on television right now? You know, not a little,

00:17:41.320 right. Not a little phone thing, but, and saying this is wrong. This is not who we are. Um,

00:17:47.960 and then we have the aftermath of it where don't let a serious crisis go to waste. Right. I can't even

00:17:55.860 get answers on what's really happening with some of these people who are still waiting for their time

00:18:03.780 in court have been held. What's happening with this? Well, you know, I do think that, as you say,

00:18:12.180 they don't let a crisis go to waste. So they have given this, they're out there. The, the, the left

00:18:18.880 is treating this as one of the greatest assaults on American liberty in our history. It was not an

00:18:23.800 insurrection. It was a riot, uh, that got out of control. Uh, and if people had a plan of, of

00:18:31.680 stopping the count, they've been indicted for seditious conspiracy and we'll see if the government

00:18:36.820 can win its case. I, from what I saw, uh, there were a few hundred people who, you know, clearly

00:18:44.640 knew they shouldn't be breaking into the Capitol. We're using force to get in and they should be

00:18:48.900 prosecuted. But there were a lot of people who were let in from what their perspective,

00:18:53.860 the guards are saying, welcome to your house and opening the way for them. And they were

00:18:57.640 looking around and taking pictures and so forth. And there was, there, there clearly should be some

00:19:03.740 discrimination between those who were really using violence and broke in and those who were sort of

00:19:08.780 found themselves in the Capitol. I, I think this administration has, uh, I mean, this is one of

00:19:15.760 the biggest operations by the department of justice and its history. They're, you know, going out and

00:19:20.580 hiring 200 more, uh, prosecutors to prosecute these misdemeanors and so forth. And, uh, I think it's,

00:19:28.320 it's a political drama that's being played out here by, by the administration.

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00:19:51.740 and that is something that I didn't think I was going to be able to do ever again. Cause my,

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00:20:18.380 I don't, and I sure there are, I don't know a time in my lifetime, at least where we've had

00:20:26.480 literal political prisoners. I mean, again, if you went in and you were broken, you were breaking stuff,

00:20:34.360 whatever. But if you walked in and you weren't doing any of that, you were just walking through

00:20:39.980 the Capitol. You weren't part of that. Yeah. And you have spent really any time in jail for a

00:20:46.960 misdemeanor. You are a political prisoner, aren't you? Uh, I think it's fair to say that. And I think

00:20:54.600 that there are cases that have come to my attention that I find chilling. And I think think a couple of

00:21:01.820 things are very disturbing to me. One, some of these individuals have a hard time finding lawyers to

00:21:06.580 defend them. Correct. Now, when I was coming up as a young lawyer, the, the, the bar used to glory in

00:21:12.100 the fact that everyone is entitled to a defense. Sean Adams. Right. And, uh, you were considered a

00:21:19.140 great lawyer if you took on an unpopular defendant, uh, and, and defended him against a baying mob.

00:21:25.560 Right. But, uh, now it's political correctness and lawyers will not come and defend these people.

00:21:31.520 I have one of the, I had one of the best law firms on the first amendment. I've worked with them for

00:21:37.880 20 years during the Trump administration because they were getting heat from Google and others.

00:21:45.360 They dropped us. Right. I'm like, and I brought up Sean Adams. Where, what is this? What do you mean

00:21:51.340 you're going to drop us because of heat from them? Tell them to go pound sand. Do you believe in it or

00:21:56.500 not? Right. Courage is in rare supply in, in many professions, including the law. The other thing

00:22:02.280 that I find disturbing is the conduct of some of the judges, uh, who, who, you know, are treating

00:22:08.940 some of these defendants in a more draconian fashion than they would a pedophile or a rapist and,

00:22:16.360 uh, and holding them. I think some of these cases don't seem justified.

00:22:21.100 I know a federal judge who said, then a lot of the stuff that comes before me now is like,

00:22:26.280 they're making it up. The judges are like, you know what, this feels right. And it has no basis

00:22:31.000 in, in law. Right. How do, how do we, how do we correct that? How do we,

00:22:38.320 do we get back to where America can trust its institutions? Uh, I think eventually we can,

00:22:45.260 but when people say to me, for example, you know, how do we clean up the FBI? How do we do this?

00:22:51.100 And I do think the FBI needs, you know, serious reform, but I say just the FBI, it's not just

00:22:57.400 the FBI. It's all our institutions. It's our institutions in government. It's professional

00:23:01.940 institutions. It's science, it's medicine, all of it. And what is happening? And I think what's

00:23:07.660 happening basically is that, uh, this is not politics and usual as usual in our country. I think

00:23:14.440 during the Obama administration, something very fundamental happened, which is that the left

00:23:19.600 went outside the tent. They are, they are now no longer sort of playing on the right left political

00:23:28.160 spectrum. That's part of liberal democracy. They're not under the limb, uh, liberal democratic

00:23:34.020 tent. They are now on the outside and they're following much more of the French revolution tradition

00:23:40.200 of tearing down and destroying existing society, institutions, conventions, values, because they

00:23:49.160 are going to lead mankind on this march, uh, to a perfect secular future. That gives them this

00:23:57.100 religious fervor because they don't believe in transcendental end. They, you know, what,

00:24:02.020 you know, heaven will be achieved here on earth. It gives them a, uh, uh, you know, a totalitarian

00:24:08.680 temper because somebody who opposes them is no longer just wrong. They're evil. They're standing

00:24:15.360 between mankind's salvation and, you know, uh, uh, they're standing in opposition to mankind's

00:24:23.000 salvation. And so this gives them a totalitarian state of mind. And it means the means justify the

00:24:29.640 ends. And this is creep. This is the ultimate, uh, ultimately what's attacking all our institutions

00:24:37.500 because an institution by definition has a certain end. It has a certain truth. It's supposed

00:24:43.600 to uphold in science. You know, what is, what, what is the scientific evidence? Where does that

00:24:48.440 point? Uh, in law, it is, what is the law? Right. And when one of these progressives comes

00:24:56.760 in their ultimate political end trumps, if I can use the expression, the institutional

00:25:04.580 end, they sacrifice the institutional, uh, objective for their political, they substitute

00:25:12.120 their political objective. That's why it's all corrupted. The media was of course, the first

00:25:17.220 institution to be, to be corrupted, uh, and probably the most fateful in terms of the direction

00:25:23.680 of the country. Because, you know, once I saw the word narrative starting being used regularly,

00:25:28.700 I said, we're in for trouble because the whole implication of this word narrative is that there

00:25:34.700 is no objective truth. It's just everyone's perception and my perception and my story that

00:25:40.120 I want to tell is as good as your story that you want to tell. And there's no way to differentiate

00:25:44.620 except sheer power. Right. And, and so journalists are no longer interested in the truth. They have a

00:25:52.440 narrative and the narrative is sort of prefabricated in the case of, uh, the political differences in our

00:25:59.020 country. And, and no matter what you say or do, they're going to come in with their narrative. That's a

00:26:03.960 corruption of, of the press. And I think the press, I mean, I've done this for 45 years. So this, the press

00:26:12.240 is, um, has been, had their own agenda and they would come in and do a story generally, um, they

00:26:21.420 would, they might have a, an answer that they were going for before they asked the question. Um, but

00:26:28.620 it wasn't something to be proud of and it, uh, and it was something that everyone would deny. Right. Now

00:26:35.900 it's, this is the way. Yeah, that's right. So let's go back to all of the institutions. Um,

00:26:46.240 let's just, uh, I'm going to be real honest with you. I was really upset at the end of the election

00:26:52.960 period with you, not for things that other people are upset with you. And I have to apologize because

00:27:00.360 I think it's turning out the way you probably foresaw you left. And I thought, where the hell

00:27:08.200 is the Durham report? Why? What? Cause it's clear. I mean, I've done my own research. It's clear just

00:27:15.960 what happened with the impeachment, let alone the, the Russia stuff. Um, it's clear there are dirty

00:27:25.500 people. And I thought, what did you do? Why would you leave and leave that out there? Tell me what

00:27:33.000 your thought process was on that. Did that bother you at all? I know you write about it in the book

00:27:38.040 that. No. So I, I thought the president was going to lose. I, starting in April of 2020, I went in and

00:27:44.340 talked to the president. I told him I thought he was going to lose the election. That must've made him

00:27:48.640 happy. Uh, well, he didn't listen to me. He knew better. But, uh, so I thought that I would appoint

00:27:56.420 Durham as a special counsel, but I would do it secretly before the election. Uh, and after the

00:28:03.620 election, the fact that I appointed him before the election would look more and be more of a

00:28:09.800 bona fide move. In other words, I wasn't going to wait to see who won. I was going to appoint him as

00:28:14.180 special counsel. And that gave him protection. And my judgment was, I was highly confident he

00:28:21.000 would remain in office and they wouldn't touch him. Why? They break all other rules. Because I

00:28:27.380 think, uh, because they, because this administration had no real interest in protecting either Hillary

00:28:35.100 Clinton or, or Comey. And at the end of the day, uh, for them to lose the Capitol and cause the,

00:28:42.560 you know, appear to be covering something up that would then never get resolved. I didn't think was

00:28:47.340 in their interest. And I think institutionally that would have destroyed the new AG if he had tried

00:28:53.620 that. So, and he, he would have known that he, he had come from the department. So I was confident

00:29:00.020 they would keep him. I was also confident they would keep Weiss up in Delaware, but I didn't appoint him

00:29:05.240 as a special counsel. Um, but there are something, you know, I, I know a lot of my own side, so to

00:29:11.780 speak, has, has been, uh, attacking me on the Durham thing. And I'll just point out a few things that I

00:29:19.040 think it's important for people to understand. Uh, I felt from day one that the real issue that had to

00:29:24.680 be explored wasn't collusion, which I was skeptical of, but how it got started, how the collusion

00:29:30.640 narrative got started. And so once I had dealt with Mueller, uh, and that was put to bed, uh,

00:29:39.100 I immediately appointed Durham to look into that. And I knew he was tenacious and, uh, was extremely

00:29:46.180 honorable and would follow the truth wherever it led. And, but people don't understand though,

00:29:52.860 is that when he was, when he came on board at the beginning of the summer of 2020,

00:29:59.540 the IG had not finished his investigation of crossfire hurricanes. So none of the stuff about

00:30:05.400 the FBI was yet available. And it made no sense for him to start investigating that. He wanted to

00:30:10.260 wait for the data dump, which is the right thing to do from the IG. So he was out looking at some other

00:30:16.960 tangential things of different theories, like British intelligence, Australian intelligence,

00:30:22.740 Italian, you know, see some CIA stuff. People forget that, uh, the IG first said, well, be ready in

00:30:30.160 June. Wasn't ready in June, ready in July, not ready. It was not provided until December, the end of

00:30:36.520 2019. That's when all that stuff got to Durham. And then what happens three months later, COVID shuts

00:30:46.360 down all grand juries in the country, no grand juries. So if you don't have a grand jury,

00:30:52.000 you can, or you don't have the, let me put it this way. I'm not going to say whether he had a grand

00:30:55.860 jury or not, but what I'm going to say is if you don't have the threat of a grand jury, no one will

00:31:00.020 come in and talk to you. You'll say, the usual thing is please come in for a voluntary interview.

00:31:05.400 And people come in because they know if they don't, they're subpoenaed. But if there is no grand

00:31:09.840 jury, they say, no, I'm not coming in. There's nothing you can do. And people don't understand that

00:31:15.480 that state of affairs lasted until the month before the election. So his hands were very

00:31:21.860 much tied as to how far he could push things and how much pressure he could bring on people

00:31:26.520 through most of 2020. So that's the story as to why Durham takes time. But I think there's

00:31:37.100 something very important in our whole system that people are ignoring. And that is, I alluded to it

00:31:42.480 earlier, the difference between the standard of proof and the method of the criminal justice

00:31:46.940 system and what people, how people actually make up their minds about things. And I think

00:31:52.960 politically we're always, we're, we, since Watergate, the impulse of both sides is to try

00:31:57.820 to get things investigated as a crime. So that will then expose the person as a criminal.

00:32:03.860 Correct. Correct.

00:32:04.740 But what they forget is number one, you're going into a secret system that you will not find

00:32:10.020 out what's going on. Number two, it takes a long time. And number three, the standard of proof is

00:32:18.340 the highest you can have. And instead of where I feel what's more important is telling the American

00:32:25.720 people the story. If the facts about, for example, Hunter Biden had gotten out in public,

00:32:32.500 putting aside whether he was criminally liable, people would have immediately seen what's what.

00:32:37.940 They can understand what's going on. It was a scuzzy, you know, shameful behavior. And, but instead

00:32:45.140 of focusing on telling the story and getting the story out and letting the American people reach a

00:32:50.120 judgment about the moral quality of the people involved, the whole game becomes, was this a crime

00:32:55.700 and what will happen in the criminal justice process, which is not really fit? You see what I'm

00:33:01.760 saying? Yeah, I do. Here's the question that I had for you because I was pretty sure, but I'm no expert

00:33:12.080 obviously, didn't have any inside information, but it sure seemed like it was legit, especially when

00:33:19.500 the New York Post comes out with it. Of course.

00:33:22.560 Um, how come, I mean, we were allowing people to not have any evidence, you know, former FBI and

00:33:32.880 intelligence people, this is Russian, you know? Sure. And you knew that it was actually real and it

00:33:39.620 was happening. How come you didn't come out and say this is under investigation or we've had this?

00:33:46.520 Well, well first, you know, the department doesn't come out and say we're investigating somebody. Uh,

00:33:53.720 and, but does it, does, would it make, which would have done, okay, go ahead. Okay. But,

00:33:59.080 but, uh, right after that letter came out from the intelligence experts, the DNI,

00:34:07.000 the head of national intelligence came out and said, there's no indication of Russian disinformation.

00:34:11.960 And the FBI, which works for me, sent a letter up to the Hill saying the same thing. It's to a

00:34:18.200 committee saying there's no indication of disinformation. So that happened right after

00:34:24.240 that letter came out. So we, it wasn't picked up, you know, one reported it. Uh, you know,

00:34:30.080 the president's cheerleaders out there didn't call attention to it. Uh, you know, that's why I say

00:34:37.660 that, you know, uh, the party, the Republicans should have focused more on telling the story

00:34:44.140 rather than the machinations of, you know, getting this into the department of justice,

00:34:48.380 because as Biden, Hunter Biden himself has acknowledged, he was under investigation.

00:34:53.820 I, but I could not come out and say, and that's, and, and we wouldn't want to, I just want to say,

00:34:59.180 you know, uh, Glenn, that we don't want a country where when someone's under investigation,

00:35:03.940 hadn't, nothing's been established yet. The department of justice can affect an election

00:35:08.540 and do stuff by just saying they're under investigation.

00:35:11.860 The line used to be on these television commercials for, I don't know, sure, whatever it

00:35:16.740 was, don't ever let them see a sweat because it was covering everything up. I think sweat blocks

00:35:24.820 slogan should be don't sweat because you don't, I mean, it is crazy. I don't know where you live,

00:35:33.480 but I live on the surface of the sun for about nine months out of the year here in Texas.

00:35:39.880 And even when I don't, uh, I'm a human sweater. Okay. Um, I am a professional grade a sweater. And,

00:35:49.560 uh, uh, that's why my studios are kept at about 62 degrees. Then I discovered sweat block and I'm not

00:35:57.700 kidding. The, the, um, antiperspirant deodorant stick best I've ever had. Um, however, the wipes,

00:36:05.440 as soon as it became hell here in Texas, I use the wipes wipes. You put them on one time and like

00:36:14.800 six days later, you're still not, you're not sweating. You don't have no antiperspirant. You

00:36:20.020 have no, um, stink to you. It is the best. Absolutely. You have to try it, especially if

00:36:28.920 you live someplace where you sweat an awful lot. Cause, uh, I live there sweat block.com get

00:36:36.600 their stick, but I'm telling you the, the wipes are unlike anything I've ever tried sweat block.com

00:36:43.680 promo code Beck. I guess a frustration here, and you must know this. The frustration is,

00:36:52.260 is nobody ever seems to go to jail except the little guys. Right. You know, the Durham, my guess

00:36:59.740 is, um, that he's going to have enough goods to go all the way up, whether she's convicted or not.

00:37:08.200 I don't know, but it will end up being the little guys, the suspects that get into trouble,

00:37:15.440 not the ones who were directing it. It happens over and over and over again. And it leads us,

00:37:24.140 well, especially with her, our, uh, new agey, it leads us to think the whole system is absolutely

00:37:31.900 rigged against us. Well, first there are, I do think there is a degree to which the system

00:37:38.320 had a double standard and still has a double standard and is rigged against Republicans.

00:37:43.260 No, but I, I wanted to, if Donald Trump, I said this on the air, if Donald Trump did any of these

00:37:48.260 things, and quite honestly, at the beginning, I thought he probably, probably a pretty good shot

00:37:52.400 of it. Um, I wanted him to go to jail. I don't want my side to get special treatment. I just want

00:37:59.340 the truth. Right. And I think, and I think, uh, there are parts of the department of justice that

00:38:06.520 I think, uh, have a double standard and they will pursue Republicans. How much of that is that way?

00:38:14.580 I mean, I don't trust the FBI. I've never been that way. I don't trust them. I don't trust anybody

00:38:21.620 at the national level. Well, I, I don't, I didn't trust Comey and his crowd that were running the

00:38:27.500 FBI. And I do think the FBI, you know, has some issues that have to be addressed, but I don't

00:38:32.640 think it's a, you know, I don't think it's thoroughly corrupt across the board, uh, by any means local

00:38:39.000 guys are, I think pretty much solid, you know, uh, good, good agents that do their job, but like

00:38:47.040 all our institutions, there's some generational change going on and the people coming in, uh,

00:38:52.900 you know, don't have the same values as a lot of the mainstays. But, um, so one, I, I'm not going

00:39:00.060 to say there's no double standard. I think there were a case just for an example. Well, I was attorney

00:39:05.120 general, no case that was embarrassing to the Democrats was leaked. Okay. Right. However,

00:39:12.220 cases that hurt Republicans were leaked and that's being done by the, you know, the career people

00:39:18.820 who were partisan people, some of them probably, you know, I'm, I think of a very sharp minority,

00:39:26.780 but still they're there and there is a double standard. Um, but I also think that people have

00:39:34.620 to understand the, one of the reasons no one ever goes to jail is because, I mean, I was

00:39:42.100 a, I would, uh, if, if I had no problem indicting anyone, we could prove a case against. And that's

00:39:48.400 the standard the department uses. Do we have evidence sufficient to prove beyond a reasonable

00:39:52.860 doubt? It's wrong for the, for the department to say, well, we're just going to throw the mud up

00:39:58.100 against the wall and see if the jury will do it. We have to ask ourselves, would a fair jury,

00:40:02.800 a reasonable, unbiased, fair jury have enough evidence to find this beyond a reasonable doubt?

00:40:08.100 If we think the answer is yes, then the case should be brought. And, um, that's sometimes

00:40:14.000 very hard to get because there's a gap between what you and I know to be, or pretty sure what

00:40:18.940 the facts are and what you could actually prove in court. Correct. And, and people have this way of

00:40:23.340 saying, we all know what happened. Come on. Why, why can't this person go to jail? Right. Well,

00:40:28.360 you know, John Durham is a prosecutor. This is his bread and butter. Correct. Uh, and you know,

00:40:34.420 if he can prove a case, I have faith with Durham. Yeah. I actually have faith. Um, there hasn't been

00:40:41.920 any leaks. Right. You know, I know he knows he's up against everyone on the planet. Right. He's,

00:40:48.380 he's, he's not a stupid man. Um, my faith when you left was there's no protection for this guy and

00:40:59.060 they're going to derail him. You happen to be right. And I was wrong, but the problem is, is there are

00:41:06.700 good people, uh, but they're going to get derailed by the bad guys. Yeah. I don't, I don't think he's

00:41:14.460 going to get derailed. Good. And, and, uh, do you think, and I, and I think that, uh, if there's a

00:41:21.560 case to be made, he'll make it. And no, there's another thing that people have to understand.

00:41:28.460 And this is something I tried to explain to the president.

00:41:33.140 Usually in the law, there are two things you require. You require a bad act, actus reis and

00:41:38.580 a bad state of mind. And the act that you usually require is something that inherently looks bad,

00:41:44.820 like burning documents or telling someone not to tell the truth. Those are acts that cry out that

00:41:51.820 there's bad intent. Right. And, and show the person probably was acting badly, but we're in this new

00:41:57.980 phase where, where prosecutors like to go after acts that are not bad acts. They are things that

00:42:03.820 someone has the discretion to do. And then their whole claim is you had the right to do it. It was

00:42:10.080 within your discretion, but you did it with a bad state of mind. And one of the reasons I could,

00:42:16.700 I could take all this obstruction nonsense that Mueller was trotting out his 10 episodes and,

00:42:22.880 and, and say that there was nothing there was because many of them fell into that category.

00:42:30.080 And I say, you know, if, if there's no bad act, then you need a real hardcore smoking gun on bad

00:42:36.520 intent. We're not going to, you know, there's no crap shoot where you get in and try to do,

00:42:40.980 you know, show the jury, well, you know, this guy probably had bad intent. You need to have the

00:42:45.980 ironclad case of bad intent in those circles. Otherwise you're going to chill everybody in

00:42:51.420 government who were making these kinds of decisions. That is the same principle. It seems to

00:42:58.280 me that when you're dealing with the FBI, which is they'll be saying, uh, I really thought there was

00:43:05.960 a threat to the country. I was serving the country. I was doing the best I could. Now there's a lot of

00:43:11.040 circumstantial evidence that raises questions in our minds about that. Right. But remember,

00:43:17.300 we have to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt that they had bad intent and that's hard to do.

00:43:23.220 And I know people don't like that answer, but you know, if we're going to have a fair criminal

00:43:28.760 justice system, uh, you know, that has to be the answer. Right. Um, the FISA courts. Yeah.

00:43:38.820 So, you know, generally, uh, I generally support FISA, uh, cause you know, FISA is directed at agents of

00:43:49.140 foreign powers in the United States. That's where the, the, uh, uh, main focus of it is, but there is a,

00:43:58.300 an area where it has been abused. But when you have the FBI changing documents and lying to the FISA

00:44:08.280 court, I don't know why the FISA court didn't say. It's a good question. And, you know, that quest that

00:44:15.960 again puts their credibility at stake because if they're not, I mean, somebody hurts my credibility

00:44:25.080 and I'm trusting them and they're lying to me. It's on me to say, excuse me, here's, you know,

00:44:34.160 here's what we're going to do now. Right. And I don't think they did. No. And look what happened.

00:44:39.740 The judge basically gave the guy a slap on the wrist. Nothing. So for, for, for falsifying a

00:44:45.900 document to spy on an American citizen. Correct. Right. And that shows, you know, to me, that's

00:44:51.220 part of the problem that you and I have talked about, which is the, the, the politicization of

00:44:56.120 the system. But, um, what normally when you're using, let me identify where I think the, the area

00:45:04.220 of potential abuses, it's not as much as people think, but most of the time FISA is used where it's

00:45:11.880 not just you think the guy is an agent of a foreign power, but you have reason to believe

00:45:15.840 they're engaged in things like terrorism or espionage and something bad that they're not

00:45:22.040 supposed to be doing. But there's a narrow category of cases, which essentially say, we think he's

00:45:28.640 of an agent of a foreign power and that's all he is. He's just an agent of a foreign power. You know,

00:45:35.080 he's acting on behalf of another country. And in that area, there's a potential for abuse.

00:45:42.700 Uh, and that's essentially where they were going with, with, uh, Carter page. And, uh, you know,

00:45:50.480 I do think we've done everything administratively when we were there to tighten up, but you know,

00:45:56.820 there have, there has, there should be some reform in that area to protect against abuses.

00:46:01.360 Um, have you seen the last episode of Ozark yet? No, I haven't. Um, you should watch it because

00:46:12.400 it's, it's interesting, uh, the way they, the FBI is, uh, using a cartel and, um, with what's

00:46:22.140 happening down on the border. We, we, we have emboldened these cartels and every single bad

00:46:32.160 guy on earth. Come on in. Absolutely. It is a disc. Well, as president Trump would say,

00:46:39.100 it's a disgrace, right? But, uh, I have a chapter in my book about the cartels, but, and, and it is

00:46:44.520 connected to illegal immigration, obviously, but this is a huge problem for the United States.

00:46:50.960 And I'm surprised that more people are not up in arms about it. It's hard. It's, it's fentanyl

00:46:58.580 deaths. Yes. Um, it is human trafficking. It's, it's everything. It's everything. It's everything.

00:47:05.280 Terrorism, our sovereignty. And it's global. You know, once, once you say the door is open,

00:47:11.100 which we are saying, then it's not just the central Americans. It's not the Mexicans. It's

00:47:16.800 not just the South Americans. It's from all over the world. You have Haitians now going to Mexico so

00:47:21.620 they can come up and people from Iranians and Russians, Russians and everybody. And, uh, so this

00:47:29.420 is now the way of coming into the United States completely illegally and unmonitored, but this is

00:47:34.700 connected to the cartels. We have a, I think Mexico is essentially a failed narco state. Uh, they have

00:47:44.060 not recently been helpful on the drug war. Uh, the fact is that they're essentially sharing sovereignty

00:47:50.420 with the cartels. The cartels can go toe to toe against the Mexican military. Uh, and I felt at the

00:47:58.660 time that, uh, the government would reach a modus vivendi with the cartels. We'll leave you alone.

00:48:04.500 You stick it to the Yankees. Just stop killing as many people in Mexico. Of course, they have

00:48:09.340 continued to kill a lot of people in Mexico, but they have so much money. They can corrupt

00:48:13.920 anybody down there. And if they can't corrupt them, they kill judges and they kill their families and so

00:48:21.600 forth. So it's a completely dysfunctional system. And we cannot afford to have a narco state on our border

00:48:28.300 pumping poison up into the United States, engage in human trafficking. You know, they get a lot of

00:48:34.420 revenue from human trafficking. It's a disgrace that, you know, they're living off people like this

00:48:39.960 and they control the border. I mean, on their side of the border, they have these, uh, plaza gangs that

00:48:46.000 control different sectors and so forth. They're returning control of the border over to them. Um, and,

00:48:52.300 uh, you know, is there an answer? An easy answer. We can secure our border. Trump demonstrated we can

00:49:00.220 secure our border. It just takes will. And, uh, I, I just don't see why the American people tolerate

00:49:08.240 what's going on down there.

00:49:10.420 I, I don't know if people really, I, I don't think anybody's strongly making the case on how it's going to

00:49:18.700 affect them. Right. You know, well, more and more people are going to get killed by these, you know,

00:49:26.500 uh, some of the, the murderers and criminals that come across the gang members, the MS 13 and 18th

00:49:35.080 street gang members. Uh, and as you say, you know, fentanyl isn't drug overdose. It's poison.

00:49:41.900 The people are being poisoned, literally poisoned to death. They don't know. They don't know what's in

00:49:46.960 what they're taking. They don't know how much fentanyl is in there and very tiny amount of

00:49:51.200 fentanyl kills. And so they're playing roulette, Russian roulette with the American people.

00:49:56.440 So I don't remember what it was. Uh, maybe it was the federal government against Arizona. Um, but

00:50:06.020 it was the ruling that said that Arizona can't do anything on their own borders. And that is

00:50:12.620 constitutionally the government's job. But I was talking to Ken Paxton today, the attorney general

00:50:19.720 of Texas. And I said, Ken, it's not a suicide pact. If they're not doing their job, isn't there

00:50:29.000 something that can be done? The can't, why can't Texas, if the federal government is just,

00:50:37.260 it's open season and we know what's coming in. Um, why can't, how, how would you solve this? If

00:50:46.380 I think the Supreme court decision in Arizona was wrong. And, and I think that he said, yeah. And I,

00:50:52.120 and I think that if, uh, the state officials are acting consistent with federal law, which they

00:50:59.100 obviously want to, uh, they should, you know, that there's no conflict and it should be permitted.

00:51:04.460 Uh, so should they just do it? I think they should. I think people should be looking for

00:51:09.380 test cases to take back up to the Supreme court. What would a test case be? Well, we're,

00:51:15.980 we're, they're using, uh, state authorities to, uh, in a way that's consistent with federal law. Yeah.

00:51:23.060 Um, it, you said recently that you're going to testify for January 6th.

00:51:34.460 No, I, so they asked me if I'd interview with them. What's the difference? Well, I got testimony

00:51:40.980 is public testimony and they haven't gotten to that stage with me. Uh, and I'm hoping they

00:51:46.380 don't, I don't want to testify in public. The, um, let's, I was there at the white house the day,

00:51:56.900 uh, Trump found out his last, you know, hearing was, was thrown out. This is right before Christmas

00:52:06.660 and I knew it was over and there is, there is no way in the constitution, um, to correct this. And I,

00:52:19.340 I, I had many of the attorneys on and I kept saying to saying to them, if you have this produce this,

00:52:28.800 you get a lot of heat on the election because you went to Donald Trump and you talk about it in the,

00:52:37.200 you talk about it. I think it's in the prologue that, um, you know, he, he was very angry with you.

00:52:43.860 Um, can you tell that story? Well, sure. Uh, you know, they came right out of the, well, first,

00:52:50.060 the only jurisdiction that the federal government has over these elections is fraud, which means

00:52:56.020 people are, uh, there's some scheme whereby people who are not qualified to vote are voting

00:53:02.960 and people who are qualified to vote, their votes are being excluded, something in that area.

00:53:08.220 But otherwise these are state elections under state law enforced by the state. Right. And we want to

00:53:15.260 keep it that way. And, uh, so the only area that the federal government is, whereas there's evidence

00:53:21.100 of fraud and you go and investigate it. And by the way, that's a long process. Yeah. There's no way to

00:53:26.920 get it done in the time. Right. So yeah. In, in, in 2020, we were indicting cases from the 2018 elections

00:53:34.100 of fraud. So it's not a tool whereby you can come in and reverse the election. You, you build a criminal

00:53:39.900 case against the person committing the fraud. So right out of the box, uh, Giuliani and, you know,

00:53:46.240 and all those people and the president started talking about fraud, fraud, but the things they

00:53:51.280 were actually pointing to were not, they had some claims about fraud, but most of the stuff that

00:53:56.600 actually, uh, was being surfaced in court were violations of rules, not fraud. Like, you know,

00:54:02.580 you were harvesting ballots against the rules or you excluded Republican observers or you

00:54:08.200 that has, that has nothing to do with the federal government. Right. That you have to go. And I

00:54:12.680 kept on explaining the president, you have to go and litigate that in the courts and, and it's your

00:54:17.120 campaign and the Republican party. That's a party to that. It's not the federal government. It's not

00:54:22.000 the department of justice. The justice department didn't go down and Gore v. Bush in Florida and take

00:54:27.260 over things that was all done through private litigation. So the department of justice has a

00:54:32.820 limited role. And I tried to, as it should be, I think as it should be, but the stuff they were

00:54:38.860 citing as fraud was absolute BS. Uh, and I think you said, uh, they were shoveling a pile of something

00:54:48.940 and they kept on doing it. And, you know, just as recently as this past January, when the president

00:54:55.520 walked off the set of NPR, that is president Trump walked off the set of NPR, when he was sort of

00:55:01.000 challenged, like, what's your evidence of fraud? And he cited, and one would think that after all

00:55:04.720 this time, he'd come up with a good shot. Right. He said, well, more people voted in Philadelphia than

00:55:09.760 there are voters. Not true by a, you know, just simply not true. The turnout in, in, in Philadelphia

00:55:18.400 was a little bit below average for the turnout statewide. Uh, there were not more people who

00:55:24.740 voted in Philadelphia than there are voters. And, uh, the voting in big cities like Philadelphia

00:55:30.980 were pretty standard for elections. There was no, some big upsurge in votes. In fact, the big upsurge

00:55:37.180 was in the, was in the rural areas and in, and in the suburbs, not in the big cities. But anyway,

00:55:43.680 uh, the stuff they were pointing to as fraud had no basis. It was all nonsense. The idea that a truck

00:55:49.600 driver brought a hundred thousand plus ballots down, complete nonsense. And you investigate, I

00:55:55.920 mean, we investigated, you write in the book that he was actually surprised that you knew the details

00:56:02.060 of all of them. And yeah. And I knew a lot more details than I was sharing with him, but they were

00:56:07.340 all nonsense. And I told, explain that it was nonsense. And especially in the machines, I said, you know,

00:56:13.480 you only have six weeks, you know, you don't get a do over in a president, presidential election.

00:56:18.880 Judges can say, okay, well, let's hold the election again. It's in the constitution. This

00:56:22.900 thing's decided by the electoral college on a date certain. You only have five or six weeks of,

00:56:28.840 and you spent five weeks on this dominion machine nonsense, which was crazy. It was crazy. They had

00:56:34.660 nothing on that. And, and, uh, uh, you know, that's, that's, do you still think, have you seen

00:56:43.480 2000 meals? I haven't seen it, but I, I don't think that that is a sound argument that they're

00:56:49.800 making for, well, for two reasons. First, I think it exact, it, I, there's no doubt in my mind. And I

00:56:56.660 say in my book, I think that, you know, they were probably cutting corners on harvesting and there was

00:57:01.200 more harvesting than is permitted. But, uh, I don't think it's anywhere near, uh, the scale that

00:57:08.560 they're suggesting. So, so hang on just a second. Cause I want to, I want to make sure we're on

00:57:14.580 solid ground here while we're talking about this. I am not one of these guys that there's no

00:57:24.160 overturning the election, right? It's over no matter if you found that it was completely fraudulent.

00:57:30.920 It's still the process. There's no constitutional reversal. Right. I don't care about the, I mean,

00:57:40.120 I do, but I don't care about the election past as much as I care about election future. I just want

00:57:48.300 an open and fair hearing. I don't know who would hold it. Cause there's nobody, I think we could get

00:57:54.840 everybody to trust anymore, but I just want to have the facts up and I don't care if it's a hundred

00:58:01.820 votes or 10 million votes, those 10 votes, let's know it and make sure that never happens again.

00:58:10.640 I couldn't agree more. And I, and I keep on saying there are two separate questions.

00:58:14.140 One quest set of questions is if you dilute the safeguards to the integrity of an election,

00:58:19.940 then whether or not there's fraud, people are not going to have confidence in the outcome. And

00:58:23.840 that's what we're seeing today. Correct. And in a closely divided country, where the only thing we

00:58:28.260 have really going for us is peaceful transfer of power, we have to maintain the utmost confidence in

00:58:34.580 election outcomes. And we can't be monkeying around with protections, whether or not you can prove

00:58:39.200 fraud. Okay. So that's one set of questions. The only way to protect

00:58:43.700 elections is to have in place on election day, the safeguards that you need, because coming in later

00:58:50.200 to unscramble the egg is almost a mission impossible. And, and, but the second set of

00:58:55.640 questions is, was there fraud? And that should be answered. And by the way, I am all for post hoc,

00:59:04.000 you know, I mean, uh, after the fact reviews, audits, anything, anything that will push toward

00:59:12.120 integrity. Now it just so happens that I think the methodology used in the meals thing is, is not,

00:59:19.120 is not, uh, adequate in the sense that if you take 2 million cell phone and you impose it on any city

00:59:27.700 and you say, uh, every time it passes within a hundred feet of this receptacle, we're going to treat

00:59:35.240 that as engaging with the receptacle, uh, uh, and, and how many, you will have several hundred,

00:59:41.840 just statistically people who regularly do that, you know, repair men and other, you know, people

00:59:48.200 running routes and so forth and so on. And, and so it's just not, it doesn't prove that these were,

00:59:56.700 uh, people who were, who were harvesting. Now I held my fire, the video of the cell phone

01:00:03.400 information. I held my fire on this until, cause I assumed they'd be coming out with a lot of

01:00:09.340 photographic evidence and that would be proof. That would be strong evidence to me if they found

01:00:14.520 the same guy visiting these boxes on a regular basis, throwing in multiple ballots, but they

01:00:20.080 didn't come up with that. Well, they did there a few, but handful. Yeah. So I think there was,

01:00:24.480 I think, yeah, okay. Maybe there was some, uh, harvesting on a, on a relatively small scale,

01:00:30.860 but here's the other thing, which goes back to the basic point we were talking about earlier.

01:00:35.700 Even if you can show harvesting, it doesn't mean you get to throw out all the votes. You still have

01:00:40.580 to show the votes were illegal. Correct. And so, uh, I'm for, I'm for, I'm for all analysis.

01:00:48.340 I'm for blockchain myself. I don't know why, I don't know why we have to stand in line. We have

01:00:53.000 blockchain. Okay. Put it in. Um, uh, when you're, when you're, um, looking at the, um, uh, the

01:01:03.320 elections coming, I think I'm hoping that this one was so screwed up because of all of, I told the

01:01:14.200 president's people months before he, he, this is going to cause a problem. And he would talk about

01:01:20.660 it. Go litigate right now. You know, they changed the rules, um, all the way up. Once the vote happens,

01:01:29.680 you can't do anything about that, but they changed the rules. Those rules changed back now.

01:01:36.280 No, there's still fights going on in the States over a lot of those rules. And by the way,

01:01:40.220 I was one of the most outspoken before the election about those rule changes and universal

01:01:46.040 mail-in ballots and so forth. It's craziness. Uh, but the president was warned about, I just want

01:01:52.060 to, you know, in, during 2020, people went in and warned the president. Uh, they warned him about the

01:01:58.000 need to build up a legal, uh, SWAT team to go around and deal with all of this. One person went

01:02:03.380 and said, Mr. President, you have to set up an escrow of 20 to $30 million, bring in a big national

01:02:08.140 firm the way you did in 2016 when he had Jones day involved and be fighting specifically in Georgia

01:02:15.060 and Pennsylvania on these rule changes and so forth. He ignored it. He just blew it off.

01:02:20.580 And the reason he would have to put the money in escrow because no lawyers will work for him

01:02:24.820 because he doesn't pay his lawyers. So he, he ignored that, you know, his, his campaign almost,

01:02:30.120 I mean, they ran out of money in October and it was pathetic. Uh, and, uh, they didn't have the

01:02:37.660 legal effort they should have had. The other thing he was warned about is he was going to lose the

01:02:42.440 suburbs. And one of the other reasons I'm comfortable that fraud was not the reason this

01:02:46.840 election was lost was because you actually look at the votes. He lost where people told him he was

01:02:52.720 going to lose. The changes were not in the big cities. He built up a strong head of steam in the

01:02:58.380 rural areas. God bless him. And he came very close to winning just by gearing up his base.

01:03:03.320 But when you look at the suburban votes, he ran behind where he should have been running, uh, and

01:03:08.240 compared to 2016, even in suburbs, he won. There was a defection of Republican voters. And here's

01:03:15.000 the bottom line. He was the weak Republican on the ticket in battleground states, the Republican

01:03:21.140 congressional delegations, the Republican state office holders and so forth ran stronger than he did.

01:03:26.800 Uh, he ran 70, you know, 75,000 Republicans went to the polls in Maricopa and Pima County,

01:03:32.780 uh, America, Maricopa and, and, and Pima County and in Arizona and didn't vote for him, voted straight

01:03:39.300 Republican and not for him. He lost the state by 10,000 votes. There's no mystery in my opinion,

01:03:44.020 as to why he lost. How do we come back together on this? Cause there are people right now, I know,

01:03:49.920 listen to this podcast, Maricopa County, they're like, you don't know what you're talking about.

01:03:54.060 Yeah. All the investigations up in Wisconsin, the sheriff that says, you know, look at, look at the

01:04:00.940 harvesting that was going on. Well, you know, I understand their frustration. Uh, but I also have

01:04:09.720 to say, uh, that they have an obligation really to learn the facts and not just, you know, accept what

01:04:15.540 they read on, on, you know, on social media and so forth. And as far as my own orientation on this,

01:04:22.480 no one could have wanted Trump to win more than me. Uh, and, and, and, you know, a lot of the people

01:04:27.560 who are, who'd like to take shots at me, they haven't put themselves on the line. They haven't

01:04:33.060 made any sacrifices to serve president Trump. Uh, and, uh, I, I was hoping very much that Trump would

01:04:42.640 win, but facts are facts. And I think we have to learn the lesson from the loss. He, he, in order to,

01:04:49.800 to play to his base, he sacrificed another Republican constituency. And that was completely

01:04:56.500 unnecessary. There's, they're, they're not, they're not inconsistent groups. Uh, it was not

01:05:02.500 necessary for him to alienate 10% of the sub Republican vote in the suburbs in order to get

01:05:09.160 his base out. And, uh, you know, from, I, I, I just think it was suicidal. Um, you, uh, you,

01:05:25.240 you, you said that, um, uh, Trump doesn't have the temperament to be president. Explain that.

01:05:34.360 I don't think he has the temperament to be president going forward. He did then. I think

01:05:39.740 he, he, his, to the extent he had bad traits, they actually worked for him in 2016.

01:05:46.280 Right. So that's what I was going to say, you know, and not only 2016, you know, I was not

01:05:51.400 a supporter of the president. Um, and, and then I saw, cause I see him as a human hand grenade.

01:05:57.600 He just goes in and just blows stuff up. He's a wrecking ball. Yeah. Yeah. Um, however,

01:06:02.160 when he would take down a wall, you'd be like, why did you, wait a minute, what's that behind

01:06:08.200 the wall? You know what I mean? I don't know. Of course he will tell me that, you know, no,

01:06:13.560 of course I knew. I, I don't know if he knew some of the stuff he was exposing or if he just

01:06:18.340 has a pretty good gut on it, guessing or surprised, but that wrecking ball, how important was that

01:06:28.700 to at least get us to understand the problem? I give him credit. Uh, I think 2016 was a watershed

01:06:38.260 had the Democrats won. I think our country could have been going off a cliff and we could never

01:06:42.860 have recovered from, from it. And he put on a full goal line stance, essentially stopped the march of

01:06:49.580 the progressives. And as you say, uh, you know, just completely disrupted their game. Uh, and I

01:06:56.560 think, uh, partly it was his direct style, uh, his unorthodox style, helped them break through the,

01:07:03.320 the, the hostility of the media and get his message out. Uh, he, he told it like it is, uh, the

01:07:10.260 American average American, the working class, the middle class were tired. You know, as I say,

01:07:16.840 you know, these cooing politicians who sort of went along with the, the democratic program and

01:07:22.140 never did anything about it. And they were sick and tired of that. And they wanted someone to talk

01:07:25.840 common sense and actually do what they say they're going to do. And I give him complete credit for

01:07:31.120 that. And he had the, it's funny, he's very thin skin, but he also has a certain thick skin and

01:07:36.040 yeah. And he had the, he was able to weather attacks that I don't think any other politician

01:07:42.120 could have weathered. And he kept on going like the ever ready bet, uh, bunny. And I give

01:07:46.720 him tremendous credit for stopping, uh, the destruction of the United States.

01:07:53.500 However, but now that I think we're seeing that at a, uh, a pace that is, uh, astounding

01:08:04.840 and breathtaking.

01:08:06.220 Yeah. But I think it's setting the stage for a comeback, not for him personally, because

01:08:11.620 I think there's a great opportunity here. I see this as setting the stage the way the

01:08:18.380 sixties and seventies set the stage for Reagan and the Democrats took a hard turn to the left.

01:08:25.260 Vietnam was a big part of that. They tried to patch up the differences in their party by

01:08:29.860 bringing in a cipher who could be all things to all people. Jimmy Carter, who was overwhelmed

01:08:35.400 by the problems, same things happening now. Um, and, uh, Biden is overwhelmed. And more importantly,

01:08:45.740 the left has really shown their true colors and you can get the most gain when you're in

01:08:53.260 reaction to that kind of excess. And so I think the American people are ready for a fundamental

01:08:58.860 change, but who, but, and this is what I say to all my Trump friends, uh, and I was never

01:09:05.400 and ever Trump or always, you know, I signed up, I signed up, but, uh, is that we need a

01:09:12.940 president to make America great again. We have to start asking ourselves, what will it take?

01:09:18.460 Frustration is not enough. Anger is not enough. You know, thrashing out is not enough. We have

01:09:24.100 to, we have to, we have to, we have to create, create fundamental changes going forward. And

01:09:30.320 that takes a decisive victory with a strong majority. And, and I'm looking for someone

01:09:36.380 like a Reagan who can win, you know, won 40 States. Then he won 49 States. Then Bush,

01:09:42.500 his vice president wins 40 States. You think, you think DeSantis could be that guy? Do you see

01:09:47.840 anybody on the horizon? Well, so my view is I'm for anybody who can pull this off because I think

01:09:54.080 Trump would be the worst choice. It would fritter away. I think a historic opportunity to unite

01:09:59.380 the party. He's not a uniter. He's causing civil wars in virtually every state he sticks his nose

01:10:04.520 into. And, uh, so we need someone to unite the party and put our best foot forward for a decisive

01:10:12.120 victory, a conservative who will fight now. So I'm not for anybody at this point, but I think

01:10:18.240 DeSantis, you know, has a lot going for him in the sense that he's a fighter. He clearly has,

01:10:23.380 uh, you know, has a clear path to, I mean, he has a clear agenda, right. You know, and a track

01:10:30.060 record, right. And, and, and he's a leader. Um, you know, one of the things that I compare him on,

01:10:35.880 on COVID to the president, you know, the president empowered Fauci and president wasn't really sure

01:10:41.580 how to handle COVID and he let Fauci sort of be the face of it. And he flip flopped a bit. You know,

01:10:47.160 the reason he started his fight with Kemp was because Kemp wanted to open up Georgia. People

01:10:51.300 forget that. And he attacked Kemp because Kemp wanted to open up early. But then I look at

01:10:58.260 DeSantis. DeSantis goes out and actually brings in a public health advisor who's really good.

01:11:04.240 And then he makes really hard decisions and sticks with them. Even when some of the data started coming

01:11:09.900 back and everyone went after him, he stuck to his guns and he has been proven right. That's

01:11:14.700 leadership. So I think DeSantis has a lot going for him, but you know, there are a number of other

01:11:19.740 good candidates too. The COVID stuff. Um, again, I don't feel like, I don't know, but there's a lot

01:11:32.100 of dirty stuff that was going on, especially over with Wuhan. There seems to be the same kind of stuff

01:11:38.420 going on over in Ukraine in some regard. Are we ever going to, is anybody ever going to really

01:11:46.180 look into this? And is anybody going to pay a price? I think the Republicans, if they gain

01:11:50.780 control of one of the houses, we'll look into it, uh, and, and have some effective investigations.

01:11:59.400 But until that happens, I don't know. Nothing right now is going to be looking. Can they do more

01:12:03.840 than just investigate? Can they, I mean, well, if they find something that's criminal, they can refer

01:12:08.820 it to the department of justice, but people should not forget the reason we don't control

01:12:13.940 one of the houses is because of our beloved president who, who I think sabotaged the, uh,

01:12:21.620 Georgia. Yeah. That was a huge mistake in, uh, in Georgia. Um, you talk in the book about,

01:12:29.800 uh, it's, it's, um, it's weird people who, uh, might get a bad name on, you know, I don't

01:12:41.920 like Trump. The honest ones will say, no, there there's no, there's some really good things.

01:12:48.980 I mean, um, when he was, uh, when we were coming down to the wire here, I'm thinking

01:12:57.480 the middle East piece, like I've, I never thought that would happen in my lifetime. I never thought

01:13:04.300 Jerusalem would ever be moved in my lifetime. Um, uh, the, the Supreme court and the court system,

01:13:13.340 I never would have expected that. I mean, you were there with Souter and Clarence Thomas,

01:13:19.760 you know how hard that is to pick, right? Absolutely. Um, and you talk about the new civil

01:13:27.300 rights movement. That is the religious aspect of Donald Trump, which I would have never expected.

01:13:36.920 He's not a religious guy, but he ends up being, well, so he certainly supported our efforts to

01:13:42.260 protect religious variety. And that was sort of in his, in his wheelhouse. Uh, so, you know,

01:13:48.340 in my resignation letter, I went through all the achievements because I think you'll agree.

01:13:53.460 My book is pretty balanced. I give, I give Trump, I give Trump a lot of credit in there. And I went

01:13:58.980 through all our, his accomplishments, including the ones you mentioned, rebuilding our military

01:14:04.520 and so forth. And he, when he read it, went, wow, this is, this is really good. And I, and I thought

01:14:09.880 to myself, yeah, why you should have been just hammering on this stuff, uh, in the last couple

01:14:14.840 of months of the election, but, um, no. So I, I think that, uh, people who just dismiss Trump out

01:14:23.880 of hand are wrong. Uh, well, I'd like you to talk about the religious aspect. What is Roe versus Wade?

01:14:33.320 We probably are more free religiously. Maybe if a few more of these, uh, uh, uh, decisions

01:14:41.160 come back this summer, then we've been in my lifetime. I mean, we have really shored up

01:14:49.280 religious freedom in many ways. Have we not? Yes, we have. But on the other hand, it's probably

01:14:54.700 never been under as much attack to require the shoring up. Uh, the, the left has become

01:15:00.480 virgulently anti-religious more so than in the past. Even though I make the case they

01:15:04.960 are. That's a religion. Yeah, absolutely. It is a religion, uh, pursued with all the

01:15:10.760 fervor. Yeah. But, uh, the thing that I have a whole chapter on, on religious liberty and,

01:15:17.320 and really education, because I think that's where the rubber meets the road. For the first

01:15:22.640 time in our history, uh, you know, I basically say that, that, uh, for most of public education,

01:15:29.500 most of the time, it was actually consistent with Christianity, Judeo-Christian tradition. It

01:15:34.560 wasn't inconsistent with it. And in fact, they used to read the Bible and so forth. Then in the

01:15:41.460 sixties, they tried to secularize public education by stripping away Christianity, right? Left a

01:15:49.820 vacuum, but they know it leaves a vacuum because you can't tell people there's, you know, they

01:15:55.060 morally have to do something unless you explain why do you have to do it? You know, only my father

01:16:00.240 could tell me do it because I say so, right? But, but so what we've now starting with in the Obama

01:16:06.580 administration, what education, public education has become is secularization by addition. They're

01:16:14.000 putting in their alternative orthodoxy and ideology as a substitute for the historical metaphysical

01:16:21.200 basis of Western civilization, which has been the Judeo-Christian tradition. And that's where all

01:16:26.760 this, uh, CRT and transgenderism and all this nonsense is coming in because they are affirmatively

01:16:35.440 indoctrinating. And I think we've reached a point where public education, the only way you can

01:16:41.760 constitutionally have mandatory education, uh, and the only free option being, um, the only publicly paid

01:16:50.700 for option being state schools is a school choice because if it's a state school, they're going to

01:16:57.020 be indoctrinating. And it's in a way that's inconsistent with traditional religion. Uh, you know,

01:17:02.840 you tell somebody, Hey, there are more than one gender and you get to choose what you are and no

01:17:07.520 one can say anything different about it. That's contrary to Christian teaching. And if they're

01:17:13.340 indoctrinating kids that way, and they're requiring them to go to school and the only way you can get out

01:17:18.120 is to pay private school tuition. That's unconstitutional in my opinion. So I think

01:17:23.740 the faster we move to school choice, the better. I'm a little disappointed in Republican governors

01:17:28.100 because it's time to strike with that iron because, uh, COVID exposed, uh, the public school

01:17:36.440 bureaucracy and what they're all about. Teachers unions are extraordinarily powerful, right?

01:17:41.860 Yeah. Extraordinarily powerful. Right. But I think there's some, you know, vouchers would,

01:17:48.360 would be a tremendous boon to the United States. It would, it would just enrich our education.

01:17:54.140 You were with, um, the, uh, the CIA originally kind of wore you out. Um, but you say that China is our,

01:18:05.800 um, big threat. I mean, we are so far over. I wanted to talk to you about technology too,

01:18:10.160 because there's a great chapter in your book about technology, but, um, uh, something just

01:18:17.660 doesn't seem right with this whole Ukraine thing where we're sending, you know, $60 billion over to

01:18:28.840 one of the most corrupt countries in the world. Um, I, I don't know how many accountants we have on

01:18:35.220 that, but I hope a lot. Um, we are picking a fight with China. We're crippling our own food supplies.

01:18:44.080 We're crippling our own energy supplies, uh, in the UN and, and, uh, world economic forum came out

01:18:52.960 yesterday in Davos and said that, uh, if the Russians don't allow grain to go through the Southern port,

01:19:03.400 it's an act of war. Well, I'm worried about, you know, the conflict in Ukraine getting out of

01:19:11.600 control and sucking us into an actual shooting war with Russia. I don't think that's necessary.

01:19:17.320 And I think, do you think that's becoming more and more probable? I think the risks are going up.

01:19:23.540 Yeah. And partly because I think Putin doesn't have an end game and I think he's probably going to be

01:19:27.400 on the way out given. And that's what the president said was there is no off ramp for right. You can't

01:19:34.040 do that. Otherwise you don't understand reconciliation. You become Woodrow Wilson in

01:19:39.100 world war one. I have been upset about the fact that we've been making public a lot of our aid and

01:19:45.100 what we're doing at every moment, instead of doing things quietly through appropriate

01:19:49.880 clandestine channels, the way countries usually do this kind of thing. And then also,

01:19:54.480 you know, to start war crime trials and all that kind of thing. And, you know, we're making it

01:20:01.860 impossible to, to end this thing short of bringing down Putin. Correct. But I, I, you know, so I,

01:20:10.360 I think one of the things about Russiagate was it prevented the Trump administration from engaged in

01:20:17.140 normal diplomacy with Russia. Normally what would have happened during that four years would have been

01:20:22.940 some effort to reach a modus vivendi with Russia and, and, and, and answer the question, which is

01:20:29.720 what is Russia's role in the world in a, in a role, uh, with respect to the Western Alliance? Uh, you

01:20:36.220 know, are they, you know, a little puppy dog that falls behind us or do we recognize some of their

01:20:41.320 interests and so forth? And I'm not saying there would have been an easy solution, but we never even

01:20:45.300 got to explore that. And then I, as I say in my book, once they elected Biden, once the American people

01:20:50.780 elected Biden, I just thought, I thought that, uh, Putin was going to act because he saw weakness

01:20:56.300 and, uh, he would take what he wanted. Now it hasn't turned out for him. Uh, but I've, I've felt

01:21:03.560 for a long time that Russia is a secondary problem mainly because they have nuclear weapons, but NATO

01:21:09.860 is strong and can protect Europe. Uh, the problem is China because of their technological and ultimately

01:21:17.860 their military power, but they're stealing our technology and our future. And Americans have

01:21:22.100 gotten sort of fat, dumb, and happy because we've been the world technology, technological leader.

01:21:27.360 And that's what brings our prosperity. And that brings our defense and our security.

01:21:31.500 And since the late 1800s, we've been number, we've been the top dog. The Chinese are very close

01:21:38.080 to overtaking us. And part of that is their stealing of our technology and their ability.

01:21:43.340 A lot of that. However, they, it used to be that they had no ideas, so they would just

01:21:49.320 steal it and reproduce and no new, but now that's changing. Now they are starting to have

01:21:56.900 intellectual muscle as well.

01:21:59.120 Right. But, you know, they got where they are largely because they used us as a slingshot.

01:22:04.780 Yeah. Uh, but, uh, we can't let that happen and, uh, it's going to take strong leadership

01:22:14.300 in the United States to deal with it. How do we get around Taiwan? If we go to war in Ukraine,

01:22:22.060 I got to believe that Taiwan is gone. The minute we started looking at COVID, Hong Kong was gone.

01:22:30.060 Uh, and they were very, um, clear in the last week about how they feel about Taiwan.

01:22:40.280 Right. I personally don't think, you know, if they believe the United States, uh, would support

01:22:46.060 Taiwan in the same way we're supporting Ukraine and the, and the other Western allies, uh, would

01:22:51.400 support Taiwan. I don't think they're going to do it anytime soon myself. I think it's a big

01:22:56.540 challenge for them. And I think, you know, they don't have the landing craft to do it for a few

01:23:01.720 years. Right. They don't have the naval strength to pull it off right now. And also I think they

01:23:06.020 have to, after Ukraine, they have to really question how effective their military is. I mean,

01:23:10.600 no, no one would have predicted how weak the Russian military is turning out to be. Uh, and the American

01:23:17.340 military, we have, you know, even though it's becoming more and more politically correct and

01:23:22.040 it needs to be reformed. Uh, it's still a very effective military with a lot of experience.

01:23:28.400 Um, so, uh, I think, uh, it's, it's going to take good state craft and, and, uh, strong foreign

01:23:38.920 policy to navigate the, the shoals over the next few years. I'm worried because of this administration.

01:23:44.640 I don't think they're very adept. Um, but you know, the Chinese, uh, you know, our allies

01:23:53.320 like the Australians and so forth, they're very concerned about Chinese expansion. They're,

01:23:58.100 they're, they're behaving far more aggressively than I ever thought they would.

01:24:01.520 If the United States falls, say goodbye to New Zealand and Australia quickly.

01:24:06.920 Right. And they've been trying, the Chinese are trying to get, uh, military or naval seaports

01:24:11.880 on the, uh, on the, uh, Western shore of South America, uh, in El Salvador and other places.

01:24:19.560 They're, they're all over South America. And if they establish a pan Pacific Navy, that cuts

01:24:26.440 off New Zealand and Australia. That's what they're worried about. So this could be a replay

01:24:31.860 of the 1930s. But again, the Chinese are not 10 feet tall. They have their own problems too.

01:24:37.140 I mean, part of what you were talking about Glenn is the, you know, the more they have, uh, innovation

01:24:43.600 and, and, uh, you know, uh, uh, middle class, uh, upper middle class in the technology field

01:24:50.740 and so forth, the more political rights they tend to claim and the less satisfied they are

01:24:56.360 with the rule of the communist party. And so that's why you see she really cracking down

01:25:02.300 and really putting his control and the control of the party ahead of anything else. It's because

01:25:07.640 they're worried about, uh, you know, that, that freedom going too far.

01:25:12.940 You optimistic about things in general, the country, the, the world.

01:25:20.900 I wouldn't say I'm optimistic, but I'm not unduly pessimistic. I think, uh, you know, Christianity,

01:25:27.920 I think naturally has to have a healthy dose of pessimism looking at human nature, right? I mean,

01:25:34.400 we don't believe that, uh, yeah, heaven on earth, right? No, that's why we have a heaven.

01:25:41.360 But, uh, I, I, I'm optimistic because, uh, I think the left has always will overplay their hand,

01:25:49.520 show their true nature, which they are now the American people, the average wisdom of the American

01:25:55.940 people will recoil at that. I think it'll lay the groundwork for, uh, for, uh, a Reagan-ish,

01:26:04.260 a Reagan-ish sort of risk, a rest, a period of restoration. And we have a lot of problems to

01:26:10.860 solve. We have to have an educational system that actually does its job. Uh, and as we were talking,

01:26:17.300 there are a lot of our institutions are, are falling apart, but nothing creates the success like

01:26:25.160 a big political victory. I remember a few years before Reagan won, I thought the liberals were

01:26:31.480 going to run away with everything. And liberal became a dirty word after Ronald Reagan's victory.

01:26:39.240 Uh, I think we're living, you know, the early 1900s, we're living the Wilson years again.

01:26:45.480 Uh, Wilson scared people so to death by the end of it that, you know, FDR had to change liberal.

01:26:53.400 Right. Right.

01:26:54.760 Into meaning something entirely different. And you didn't hear the word progressive for

01:26:59.000 almost a hundred years. Right. And part of this is the battle of ideas and an open free marketplace

01:27:05.880 of ideas. And I remember in 1992, when I saw George H.W. Bush torn down, uh, by the media,

01:27:14.280 um, I remember saying to Boyden Gray, his counsel, look, until the Republicans just level the playing

01:27:19.800 field a little bit, uh, you know, we don't stand a chance against these headwinds. And, and that's why

01:27:26.760 we need as many voices as possible out there. So, I hope more people follow what you're doing and

01:27:34.600 builds up a, you know, a strong critical mass in the media. I think it's coming. Yeah.

01:27:39.000 I do think it's coming. Um, Bill, thank you so much. Thank you.

01:27:43.320 The name of the book is One Damn Thing After Another, Memoirs of an Attorney General by, uh,

01:27:48.600 William P. Barr. Thank you. Thanks Glenn. Great to be with you.

01:27:58.200 Just a reminder, I'd love you to rate and subscribe to the podcast and pass this on to a friend so it

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The Glenn Beck Program - May 28, 2022

Ep 148 ｜ 'The Justice System IS Rigged Against Republicans' ｜ Guest： Bill Barr ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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