The Glenn Beck Program - Ep 150 ｜ Ron DeSantis vs. Everyone： The Governor Who BROKE the Media ｜ Ron DeSantis ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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00:03:49.680 Governor, how are you, sir? I'm doing good. How are you doing? It's great. Thank you for being

00:03:54.800 a part of the podcast. I appreciate it. I'm happy to do it. I've been watching you now. I'm sitting

00:04:00.120 here in Texas, and I've been watching you for a while, and my only complaint is that you're in

00:04:05.860 Florida and not Texas. Governor Abbott is, I think he's doing a fine job, but you seem to be leading the

00:04:13.560 way. You're at the, I think, I expressed it earlier this week as you are hitting all of the right things,

00:04:23.920 and you're doing it at the right speed. And it's a little breathtaking if you're on the left, because

00:04:29.260 I don't think I've ever seen anyone correct course as fast as you are. Can you keep that up?

00:04:36.720 Glenn, when you get elected, as I did, I actually sat at the desk I'm sitting at right now, my first

00:04:44.680 day as governor, and I looked around the desk and I said, you know, I don't know what SOB is going to

00:04:50.480 succeed me in this office, but they're not going to have any meat left on the bone. I'm just going to

00:04:54.420 take it off. I've been given an opportunity to lead. I've been given an opportunity to use the

00:04:59.260 authority vested in me under the Florida Constitution. And if I see ways to make a difference, I'm not going

00:05:04.940 to sit here and take 20 polls. In fact, I haven't taken a poll since I've been governor. I'm going

00:05:10.120 to know what I believe and have faith that if I lead the way and show a strong vision, implement that

00:05:16.720 vision and we get good results and the people of Florida are going to have my back. And that's

00:05:20.280 exactly what's happened. So as a casual observer, how much of what you do is through executive order

00:05:28.320 and how much is through legislature? We do a lot through the legislature. We've had,

00:05:34.440 I've now had four legislative sessions under our belt. There's been no governor in the history

00:05:39.720 of Florida that's been able to work with the legislature to generate as much as we've been

00:05:45.180 able to do. Now, during COVID, a lot of what I was doing was executive orders to rein in local 0.99

00:05:51.200 governments, for example, provide protection for people to work and businesses to be open.

00:05:56.680 We did use an emergency order to make sure kids were in school in summer of 2020. And we were creative

00:06:02.320 about how we use those authorities. And it obviously worked out very well for us. But if you look at

00:06:06.900 most of the stuff that we've done, take critical race theory, for example, yes, through our board of

00:06:11.980 education at the state, we did ban it through effectively an executive function. However,

00:06:18.600 in order to really make that effective, you need to codify that in the legislature and you need the

00:06:23.700 legislature to provide parents with the recourse to make sure those standards are followed. So we did

00:06:28.720 a Stop Woke Act, we called it. It's Stop Wrongs Against Our Kids and Employees Act that provides 0.94

00:06:34.740 protections for parents in K-12, also for employees, because the corporations are trying to shove the CRT

00:06:42.120 down their throats, too, to be able to vindicate their rights. And so if a school district departs from our

00:06:48.220 state standards, parents can now go in and sue the school district to be able to enforce compliance. And so you

00:06:54.680 can't do it all just through executive action. You need the legislature to do it. And so we've been

00:06:59.860 able to do really, really big reforms. Now, there are certain things that I do that are not legislative

00:07:04.740 in nature that are in the state constitution. So, for example, my first week in office, it was almost

00:07:10.240 a year after the Parkland massacre at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School. And I became friends with a lot

00:07:16.740 of the victims' parents over the course of that year. And the thing that they were so frustrated

00:07:21.120 about is no one had been held accountable. They passed the buck on this guy. Everyone knew when

00:07:25.620 the shooting happened exactly who it was, exactly. They were not surprised, but yet no one was held

00:07:30.440 accountable. So I removed the sheriff of Broward County that first week. And that was the first

00:07:35.660 time they had had any accountability. But I have authority under Florida's constitution to suspend

00:07:41.640 these elected officials at the county level. They are not subject to impeachment under our constitution.

00:07:46.940 The governor serves as kind of the way to ensure that they're following their duties.

00:07:53.660 And if I suspend you, yeah, you have the right to contest that in front of the Senate in Florida.

00:07:58.340 But if the Senate agrees with me, then you are gone. And that's exactly what happened

00:08:02.080 with the sheriff of Broward. And then, of course, more recently, we just did the thing with the

00:08:06.180 Tampa prosecutor for similar reasons, that he was not following his duty. Now, he's going to have an

00:08:11.480 opportunity to contest that in front of the Florida Senate. But if the Florida Senate agrees with me,

00:08:16.400 then he's going to continue to be out of office. Well, I will tell you that it was interesting to me.

00:08:20.760 I think it was. Oh, I don't remember who wrote it. It was somebody on the left. And they wrote that

00:08:27.940 you are an absolute dictator for doing that because you just want him to enforce the I think they even

00:08:39.260 use the word dictates or policies that you choose. And that's not what he was doing.

00:08:46.760 Right. No. And he had. And what happened was I had my legal office here undertake a review of all

00:08:53.840 of our state attorneys. We've got 20. Most places call them district attorneys in Florida. They're

00:08:58.140 considered state attorneys. And I said, you see this pathogen across the country of these prosecutors

00:09:04.300 nullifying the law. And as bad as the defund the police movement's been, Glenn, I think these

00:09:09.900 prosecutors have been equally, if not more detrimental to the society. Because when these

00:09:15.920 prosecutors get in, the community becomes hollowed out with crime. That's what's happening in Los

00:09:20.980 Angeles. That's what happened in San Francisco. So they did a review over many, many months. And it

00:09:25.720 all came back to this guy in Tampa. Law enforcement hated the guy. But he had signed multiple letters

00:09:32.920 saying he was not going to enforce certain laws. And then he had policies in his own office that were

00:09:39.420 called presumptive non-prosecution. Well, Glenn, when the legislature passes a law, they're presuming

00:09:46.000 that you're following it, not presuming that you're not following it. So he basically says, well,

00:09:50.840 I'm not going to enforce the law. Maybe in a special circumstance I will, but otherwise I'm just going

00:09:55.700 to take a pass. So for all those reasons, he was not satisfying his duty under the Florida

00:10:01.460 Constitution. So we acted pursuant to an express provision of the Constitution. He now has the

00:10:07.400 ability to contest that in front of the Florida Senate. But Glenn, put yourself in his shoes.

00:10:12.200 Would you want to be arguing in front of a legislative body that whatever they enact into

00:10:16.920 law is not binding on you, that you're a law to yourself? I don't think he's going to get a very

00:10:21.840 favorable reception from there, but he has every right to do it. See, this is the problem. And I'd love

00:10:27.580 for you to spend just a minute talking about the importance of this. We pass laws. That's different

00:10:34.580 than edicts. I even think it's different than what the administration is doing through all of the

00:10:40.900 departments. We pass laws, and that's what our elected officials are for. And then no one is held

00:10:48.960 to any kind of standard. No one is held and has to pay for their crimes at the highest of levels.

00:10:56.800 And you're getting this attitude from the general public. The bad ones are just saying,

00:11:03.000 I'm just going to do whatever I want. The good ones are becoming extraordinarily disillusioned,

00:11:08.120 and they feel under attack at the same time from the government and the crimes in the community.

00:11:15.380 So I think what we've seen is when the progressives talk about, you know, they want to,

00:11:22.280 quote, protect democracy, they don't have any allegiance to any particular institution or the

00:11:27.160 rule of law. What they have allegiance to is leftist ideology. So if any institution in society

00:11:32.320 is advancing leftist ideology, then that's what democracy means. But if an elected official like

00:11:37.800 me is standing up against that, then all of a sudden they consider that a threat to democracy. So it's

00:11:42.840 totally results oriented. They don't care about the rule of law for itself. And so you end up with

00:11:48.660 situations where prosecutors are nullifying laws. You end up in situations in Washington, D.C., Glenn,

00:11:54.440 right now, if you are in that jury box and you are somebody that is opposed to the swamp, they are

00:12:00.180 going to tie you up and they are going to nail you to that wall. But if you're somebody that's part of

00:12:04.420 that swamp, it doesn't matter if you're if they have you dead to rights, they're going to let you walk,

00:12:09.000 just like they let that Russia collusion hoax or walk a couple of months ago. So the standards of

00:12:15.320 justice are different. And basically, I think it's driven by a progressive impulse that the ends

00:12:20.260 justify the means. We are, you know, George Washington said what makes us different is we

00:12:25.120 are a nation of laws and not of men. We are truly a nation of men now, where just depends on whose side

00:12:32.220 you're on and who's in charge. We can't just like the executive orders. We can't we can't do things

00:12:39.700 through fiat because the country keeps swinging so far back and forth. We we have to stop and and start

00:12:48.140 to follow our Constitution and the actual laws. How long can this last before this pendulum just snaps?

00:12:58.220 Well, I think the good thing is, is at the local level, you are seeing a reaction against these prosecutors

00:13:05.860 basically putting themselves above the law. I mean, imagine someone got recalled in San Francisco. I know I

00:13:12.560 thought that was possible. Although I will note, Glenn, if you look at that vote on that recall, the wealthy,

00:13:18.940 mostly white people voted to keep him in power. Right. Because they don't bear the brunt of his bad policies.

00:13:25.200 It's all about woke virtue signaling to them. But you get down on the working class levels in San

00:13:31.320 Francisco. They all voted to kick this guy out because they were having to pay the price for it.

00:13:36.320 So I think the vast, vast majority of the public recognizes that rogue prosecutors are a threat to

00:13:43.720 public safety and ultimately a threat to individual freedom. Now, on the federal level, I think what you've

00:13:49.700 had developed, and you know this better than anyone, many, many decades, you have an administrative

00:13:54.400 state that stands as a fourth branch of government. And the problem, I think, for Republicans is, is that

00:14:00.520 when Democrats win, the bureaucracy tends to want to do what the Democrats want to do anyways.

00:14:06.220 Well, when Republicans win, it's like the Democrats still control the machinery of government. I mean,

00:14:11.140 we saw it with Donald Trump, where they weaponized some of these agencies to try to kneecap his presidency.

00:14:17.620 But we've also seen them in prior years frustrate basic conservative policy. And so I think that

00:14:23.800 bureaucracy, how much it's grown, the power, the lack of accountability. And, you know, Congress is

00:14:29.700 to blame for a lot of this because they've advocated their responsibility. They have the power of the

00:14:35.240 person. They will not use it. IRS agents, they're going to do give me a break. You could defund that

00:14:41.080 crap easy if the Republicans take control. Do you think they will? I wouldn't bet on them actually doing 0.99

00:14:46.760 that. So you have the tools under the Constitution. It's just, you know, politicians

00:14:52.880 would rather they don't want to make waves. They don't want to get into a confrontation where they

00:14:58.380 could potentially lose an election. And so that's why they don't use the tools that they have. But

00:15:02.920 the founders were smart. The body closest to the people, the House of Representatives controls the

00:15:08.420 purse strings. And we can come and have a red wave and we can send people there on that mission.

00:15:13.880 And the question is, are they going to actually heed that? Or are they going to try to get this

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00:16:48.640 that are maybe running for governor, running for Congress, Senate. Talk to those people because you,

00:16:57.500 I don't know what it is, and I want to get into this a little later. You have the courage,

00:17:03.340 and courage is a muscle. And if, unless you exercise it, it gets weaker and weaker. And I'm

00:17:09.540 guessing that your courage is getting stronger and stronger as you exercise. Talk to the people

00:17:15.260 who are going in. What makes, what makes you different than, than the regular run of the mill

00:17:24.540 GOP that we can't trust? What is it that they need to have? Well, look, I think, I think two things

00:17:31.300 in respect to governors, because the governor really is different than somebody going up into

00:17:36.040 the Congress. And the governor, you got to be a leader. If you're not going to lead, you're just

00:17:39.840 not going to be effective. So what I did when I got elected, I had my transition team give me

00:17:44.760 just a notebook filled with all the powers that the governor has constitutionally, statutorily,

00:17:51.620 customary powers that governors have wielded, what your relationship to local government is,

00:17:56.200 such as suspending these elected officials. So I had an agenda. I had a lot of things I wanted to do,

00:18:01.600 but I also recognize this is a constitutional system with checks and balances. You better have

00:18:05.920 a strategy for how you're going to be able to navigate those different pressure points and make

00:18:10.740 sure you're using the leverage that you have. So I would just tell people, be very, very conscientious

00:18:16.240 of what you can do on your own, what you need legislative buy-in for, because when you are saying you're

00:18:21.960 going to do things and then you fall on your face, the voters get frustrated with that. And I think

00:18:27.100 with me, I deliver on what I said, and it's not because I'm the only one willing to do it. I think

00:18:32.280 part of it is I have a strategy about how to get it done. Now, in terms of the courage thing, what I

00:18:37.940 will tell folks is, so the great example for me is the summer of 2020 with COVID. You know, we get a

00:18:43.360 COVID wave in Florida. They're telling me to shut down the state. We had our schools going to reopen.

00:18:49.700 And everyone's saying it's a disaster. They were accusing me of wanting to kill all these kids. 0.55

00:18:53.980 I was getting hammered day in and day out. I knew what the right thing to do was. And I just made the 0.94

00:18:59.340 decision that whatever, however the political chips fall, I am totally fine with that. I would rather

00:19:05.940 have stood up for the jobs and education of the people I represent than try to salvage my own hide or

00:19:12.300 my own job. And at that point, no one knew politically how it would turn out for me. But I think what's

00:19:17.640 happened is when people see you're willing to stand up for them when it's not easy,

00:19:22.660 man, they will have your back. They'll come out in droves to support you. So in the moment,

00:19:27.720 sometimes it feels like, you know, the world's coming down on you. You're getting hit from the

00:19:31.540 left and the press and everything. But in reality, there are so many people who are just good,

00:19:36.460 God-fearing, hardworking people who are watching that and they're seeing you. And if they see you

00:19:41.840 stand and take the arrows for them, man, they're going to be with you for good.

00:19:45.780 Yeah, I think that's the secret of Donald Trump as well. He just continued to take the arrows and

00:19:52.300 he was, you know, doing it for the American people, as he says. Let me switch subjects to one of my

00:20:00.320 favorite subjects, ESG and the Great Reset. I'd like you to define, if you can, fascism because

00:20:11.280 you're called a fascist all the time. And I don't think the press knows what a fascist is

00:20:17.360 because ESG and the Great Reset, that is the definition without the concentration camps of fascism.

00:20:26.900 Well, the melding of corporate power and government power has traditionally been what

00:20:34.360 fascism has been defined as. And I think the problem with ESG is they're trying to do a lot

00:20:41.060 through the economy, which I disagree with, but what they cannot get through, through the ballot box.

00:20:46.760 And so in some respects, it's government subcontracting out the ruling class ideology

00:20:51.940 to titans of industry. And so you have these massive corporations essentially exercising public

00:20:58.520 power. I mean, Glenn, if you have the top Wall Street banks that collude to say, we're not going

00:21:03.340 to finance a gun manufacturer, we're not going to finance a company involved in border security,

00:21:07.980 they have enough power where they're effectively altering the policy of the country. And that is

00:21:13.340 not a healthy thing. That is changing policy outside the normal constitutional process.

00:21:18.300 And so I think it's healthier for a society to have businesses focusing on doing their core missions,

00:21:24.620 but not leveraging their economic power to try to advance a partisan political agenda.

00:21:31.960 So have you, has your treasurer divested from places like BlackRock? How are you fighting it in

00:21:37.400 Florida? So we got all our proxy rights back. So when I became governor, BlackRock was voting Florida's

00:21:45.480 proxy rights. So we have all our proxy rights back. The next board of administration meeting-

00:21:50.240 Hang on, explain that for the average person so they know how powerful that is and what that means.

00:21:56.060 So when you own stock, you have the ability to vote as shareholders. Now an individual,

00:22:02.380 even people that are very wealthy, likely aren't going to own enough to make a huge difference,

00:22:06.160 but a state of Florida with almost a $200 billion pension, you know, that's some significant voting

00:22:11.080 rights. And then if you pull those with other red states, you're talking about really making an

00:22:15.420 impact. The default was these asset managers were just voting those shares. So they were voting those

00:22:20.560 accordance to their political preferences. So we took those back. We do not allow them to vote our

00:22:26.340 shares. We're going to be implementing a rule on August 23rd with our state board of administration,

00:22:31.720 which is saying you're not allowed to do ESG. That's going to set us up in the next legislative

00:22:37.860 session to codify that in statute. And so it's going to make a big splash because we're a big

00:22:43.200 pension system. And some of these businesses are going to have to choose between going down the ESG

00:22:49.260 rabbit hole or being able to be invested with the state of Florida. And I think what you're going to

00:22:54.360 see is a lot of other states also get on this bandwagon. What I'd like to see is them all do

00:23:00.980 statutory changes that puts the wall up against ESG. But then us vote our shares together,

00:23:06.520 because if we pulled our voting rights together, we would be able to counteract what California and

00:23:11.840 New York and a lot of these other a lot of these other pension plans are doing.

00:23:16.500 Talk to me about the S and the G. I see some states going after the E to protect energy,

00:23:22.780 but I am continually frustrated by the states not taking a stand on the S and the G, which is going

00:23:30.240 to affect not only the companies, but the individuals as well. You can be a parent outspoken,

00:23:36.320 and you'll get a low S score and it will hurt you.

00:23:42.760 Yeah, look, I think, I mean, just think about what they've done with S and G and major high

00:23:48.060 profile things in the United States in the last couple of years. The Georgia voting law,

00:23:52.320 you had all these major corporations in Georgia come out and compare voter ID to the second coming

00:23:58.900 of Jim Crow, where people were denied the right to vote at all based on their skin color.

00:24:03.300 And you'd have Delta, Coke, they're all issuing these statements. And then what ended up happening?

00:24:08.460 They just had their primary in May, made a massive increase in voter turnout. Give me a break.

00:24:14.880 And of course, when Disney brought us on the parents' rights and education bill, this is their social

00:24:20.740 agenda that they're trying to basically impose on society. So they opposed our law, which was trying

00:24:27.700 to keep out sexuality and gender ideology from elementary school and making sure that parents

00:24:34.700 were informed about what was going on with their student. For example, Glenn, there were some

00:24:38.720 schools in Florida that they were changing, quote unquote, the gender of a student without the

00:24:44.380 parent even knowing about it. First of all, they shouldn't be doing that anyways. But to do that

00:24:47.860 behind the parents' back, that's not what we believe is a fact. But Disney thought that that was bad

00:24:52.940 legislation. So they came out. And here's the thing, from the shareholder perspective, if you look from

00:24:58.540 the time Disney came out against this to now, they've lost massive market cap way above and beyond what

00:25:04.800 the market has gone down as a whole. So they've gone even more. And I think they alienated a lot of

00:25:10.180 folks. And so it raises the issue of, OK, ESG is not good for our economy. It's not good to have major

00:25:18.320 economic power trying to impose these basically leftist agendas. But just from a fiduciary duty

00:25:24.580 perspective, a CEO getting involved in this stuff is not following the best interests of the

00:25:30.680 shareholders. So there's a lot of people that have Disney stock and their pension plans and 401k who

00:25:36.200 were hurt by what Disney did to oppose our parents' rights law. And you are an attorney that went to

00:25:42.600 Yale and Harvard, a good attorney. You were a JAG officer. It strikes me, being a nobody, not knowing

00:25:50.000 the law, that there is a class action lawsuit waiting to happen at some point.

00:25:56.000 I think that's going to happen. I think that's inevitable because I think that you can't define,

00:26:01.260 and that's actually one of the things that we're doing, Glenn, in Florida, is we're defining

00:26:05.480 fiduciary duty in a way that excludes this stuff to say, well, you know, if we do ESG 100 years from

00:26:12.080 now, it's going to be better. No, no, no, no, no. It's what is doing the best for the shareholder.

00:26:16.640 And so making sure that that fiduciary duty definition is what the traditional definition

00:26:22.280 was is really important. And as long as that definition is upheld, then they clearly are

00:26:27.900 violating their fiduciary duty because they're going off on all these tangents. And oh, by the way,

00:26:32.580 these ESG dominated funds have performed poorly. They perform worse than funds that are not doing that.

00:26:39.340 BlackRock came out today and said, expect bad returns for the next 10 years. No, thank you.

00:26:45.180 No, thank you. Let me let me stay on this for just a second. There was a study, in fact,

00:26:53.740 a couple of studies that came out of Europe that I saw just last week, maybe a couple of weeks ago

00:26:58.780 from England, the National Institute of Health. You also have Sweden and Finland. And there was

00:27:07.520 another country that have done studies now on the effects of changing children's gender. And they

00:27:14.760 have now outlawed it and said only in the most extreme cases can anything be done because they're

00:27:23.640 finding all kinds of evidence that it is, it's a society is changing and it is now a popular thing

00:27:32.440 and it is affecting mainly girls. We are seeing an attack on our children and especially on our

00:27:42.100 girls. You just banned this kind of gender treatment. And again, you're called, you're called 1.00

00:27:49.880 a monster for it. Why did you, why did you ban this? Well, I think it's interesting, Glenn,

00:27:56.220 if you look over the last couple of years with COVID as well, these European countries, you know,

00:28:00.940 they're basically secular, more liberal democracies than we are. But yet the medical profession has

00:28:07.560 not been kind of taken over by ideology and partisanship the way it has in the United States.

00:28:13.480 So if you looked at Sweden and some of these countries, how they handled COVID, it was evidence

00:28:17.520 based. And you see the same thing with this. They did go down the road of trying to do, and they'll

00:28:23.360 call it gender affirming care, but you're giving people, very young kids, puberty blockers,

00:28:28.400 you're doing sex change operations that are irreversible on them. And what they found was

00:28:33.520 like, this was very, very damaging. Over 80% of the dysphoria that young people have resolves itself

00:28:40.960 by the time they get older. Why would you disfigure these kids knowing the harm that that could do in

00:28:47.260 the future? And so the science on this is incredibly weak to justify being able to do it. And yet we have

00:28:55.420 people testifying at our board of medicine hearing who went through these procedures and regret it

00:29:02.040 and talk about how damaging it's been. And so our view is in the state of Florida, if you're 14 years

00:29:07.980 old, you cannot go and get a tattoo in the state of Florida. Why should you be able to go in the left

00:29:15.180 wants you to be able to do this without parent permission? Why would you be able to go take your

00:29:20.260 perhaps have someone take your private parts away? It just doesn't make sense. And it's not

00:29:25.300 justified by the science. And so we put a lot of science in showed what the studies showed. And

00:29:31.480 particularly in Europe, they're following the science in the United States, it's being driven

00:29:36.820 by ideology. So here we are putting our foot down. I think woke medicine is a huge threat to to to our

00:29:44.060 social well being, because people are not going to trust these people going forward. You go back even

00:29:49.180 five years ago, someone had an MD by their name, I instinctively gave them respect. I'm like, man,

00:29:55.740 you graduate from medical school. Now a lot of the medical education is going woke. Ideology

00:30:00.860 is really dominating. We saw it all throughout COVID. And you see it in this issue. And it's really,

00:30:06.180 really damaging a lot of people. And I've said, we think they may be able to anyways, but we're going

00:30:10.520 to make sure in our law that people that have undergone this, if they get older, and they have big time

00:30:15.360 problems, they should be able to sue these physicians for damages, because these physicians

00:30:20.120 are not upholding the Hippocratic Oath.

00:30:21.920 Man, I read testimonials from people every day, every day, been reading them for the last two

00:30:28.820 years, I've never received so many letters, and testimonials from anything I've ever advertised.

00:30:35.100 And I think that's because when you have pain, like I had pain, and you have gotten to the place

00:30:40.660 where you just don't have any hope anymore. You're like, nothing's going to happen. Nothing's going to

00:30:44.280 work. This is it. This is the rest of my life. When somebody says, try this. And it's simple,

00:30:52.000 like Relief Factor. The first thing is, it's not going to work, because I've tried everything else

00:30:56.340 that is so simple, it's not going to work. My wife made me try Relief Factor for three weeks.

00:31:02.480 And I was stubborn and really said, well, maybe working a little bit. But after I stopped taking it,

00:31:08.680 three weeks after the three week quick start, because I thought, well, let's see if it's really

00:31:12.620 working. My pain came back full force. And it's remarkable. It's changed my life. That's why

00:31:18.780 people write those testimonials and tell me what their experience was. Because it's life changing,

00:31:23.500 you get your you get your life back. I want you to go to relieffactor.com. That's relieffactor.com.

00:31:29.000 Try the quick starts 1995 70% of the people who try it go on to order more. It's relieffactor.com.

00:31:35.960 The thing that is puzzling to me, and maybe it's just they win either way. They are doing so much

00:31:45.300 damage to these institutions. As you said, medicine has really no credibility. Pharmaceutical

00:31:53.100 companies no longer have any credibility. The government, the courts, everything has lost its

00:31:59.500 credibility. That's one of the things that they are looking for. They want that trust in this system

00:32:06.720 to be destroyed. So we have to build something new. Is it their is it their arrogance that is driving

00:32:15.580 this? Is it they they they just are hell bent on destroying it? Or do they know something we don't

00:32:23.320 know? Because they're not acting like rational human beings at all on any of this? Well, I think

00:32:29.320 it's two things. I mean, I think there's a lot of people that are very militant. And I think that

00:32:32.760 they view our society as being basically illegitimate in many respects. That's why you see things like the

00:32:39.800 1619 project trying to say that the American Revolution was fought to preserve slavery. I mean,

00:32:45.160 that's just factually false. Correct. We know the pamphlets, what they wrote. We know why they did it.

00:32:50.040 But they're doing that to try to say, you know what, this country right from the very beginning

00:32:55.380 was bad. And I think they want that with all these institutions now to do it. So I do think that

00:33:01.640 there's that impulse. But I think there's a lot of these people involved in these fields that just

00:33:06.180 don't have the courage to step up and say this is wrong. Because if you speak out, man, they will

00:33:11.640 bring down a ton of bricks on you. And we saw that with COVID, where a lot of these physicians would

00:33:16.920 privately tell me, yeah, you're right about the lockdowns not working. You're right about kids

00:33:22.000 needing to be in school. You're right about the masks not working. You're right about the vaxes,

00:33:26.360 all this. But they wouldn't say it publicly because they would face a lot of professional harm. And so

00:33:31.780 they've created, I think it's a minority of people, but it almost goes unquestioned and unchallenged 0.81

00:33:38.000 because the people that are willing to stick their neck out, man, they get hit and they get hit hard.

00:33:42.860 And if you think about some of the people during COVID who are willing to speak out, people like

00:33:46.400 Jay Bhattacharya from Stanford, Martin Kaldor from Harvard, Sinatra Gupta from Oxford, they were right

00:33:52.720 on all these things. But man, they took a lot of fire in the process. So what is it going to take

00:33:58.760 to get the average? Because once the average person, Stolos Nietzsche said in his letter to the Russians,

00:34:06.420 all we have to do is stop giving it power. All we have to do is say no. But that's really hard to

00:34:15.340 do. Not as hard as it was for them, but it is hard to do. What is it going to take to flip the direction?

00:34:25.840 Or has it already been flipped? I think it's really changing. I mean, just think about the media

00:34:31.900 media and how conservatives now approach the media. If I'm not getting attacked by corporate media,

00:34:38.260 then I don't think I'm doing my job right. I don't think I'm doing my job right. They expect me to get

00:34:44.640 smeared by CNN and NBC. And if that's not happening, then they wonder. And if all of a sudden CNN started

00:34:51.580 to say good things about me, a lot of our voters would be like, man, what are you doing that I don't

00:34:56.360 know about this? I don't I don't know why they're saying that for you. So the corporate press

00:35:00.100 basically over half the country doesn't believe a word they say anymore. And so their power to

00:35:05.860 shape the narrative is much diminished from even just a few years ago. And I think you're going to

00:35:11.280 see that as well with how Americans respond to the medical establishment in the future. They're

00:35:16.500 watching this stuff in terms of a sex change operation on a 12 year old. They know instinctively

00:35:22.140 that that is wrong. Same thing with how they view teacher unions. You know, teachers unions for a long

00:35:28.080 time in this country got enormous respect from the public, even a lot of Republican voters because

00:35:33.360 they were representing teachers gave them the benefit of the doubt. Well, now they've seen they tried to

00:35:37.700 lock the kids out of school indefinitely. They see different types of ideology they're trying to do.

00:35:43.160 And so they don't trust anymore. And the parents now want more of an involvement. So I think it's been

00:35:47.500 a massive overreach on part of the woke left. I think people are reacting. I don't think it happened

00:35:53.000 just overnight. But I definitely think we're on a pathway where a strong majority of the public

00:35:58.720 is basically telling these people, who the hell do you think you are?

00:36:02.420 Well, the other side of that is we just passed a climate bill and a inflation reduction bill

00:36:08.580 that is neither of those things. The most disturbing thing is the 87,000 CIA agents. It's not CIA. I'm

00:36:18.620 sorry, IRS agents. The numbers are staggering. We don't have that many billionaires to sift through

00:36:26.520 their garbage to find out if they're cheating on taxes. I believe this is first in line, I think, 0.56

00:36:33.060 are going to be our farmers. But the average person will get it to it. It goes to, you know,

00:36:40.160 in seven years, you'll own nothing and you'll be happy. We are intentionally being impoverished.

00:36:46.020 And there was actually an amendment when they were debating this in the Senate to say,

00:36:51.160 OK, you can't use any of these IRS agents if someone makes below 400,000 and every Democrat

00:36:56.440 voted that down. And the reason is simple, because that's where they're going to be focusing most of

00:37:01.000 the fire. Billionaires hire people. They hire high-priced lawyers and accountants. What they're

00:37:07.420 doing is they're using the loopholes that Congress has put in there over the years to the best of their

00:37:12.940 benefit. So going after, quote, the billionaires, they're going to have a fleet of lawyers and

00:37:17.520 accountants that are going to be able to defend them. They're going to go after the mom and pop.

00:37:21.540 They're going to go after the small business person, the independent contractor, the Uber driver.

00:37:26.400 And they are going to focus on basically parts of the country that don't support what the regime is

00:37:31.900 trying to do. So I think it's so outrageous, Glenn, that I do think it's going to backfire big time

00:37:37.400 on them politically. The Republican Congress, if we do get House and Senate, which we do,

00:37:42.540 they must defund all of those IRS agents. That is a total travesty.

00:37:47.740 I wonder if we have the backbone in the Republican Party, but I certainly hope so. I mean, I was at CPAC

00:37:56.020 last weekend, and the biggest applause line that I saw in Donald Trump's speech was abolish

00:38:03.860 the Department of Ed. And I think there's a lot of these agencies. I mean, we have to clean out

00:38:11.240 the FBI. I don't know how you we don't need a great reset, but we do need do need to reboot the

00:38:18.320 system and restore its original factory settings. And think about where we are with some of this.

00:38:25.060 I mean, you know, 10 years ago, if you had asked me about Department of Education, EPA, IRS,

00:38:29.460 I would add a negative view. But if you had asked me about DOD or FBI or some of those,

00:38:35.160 I would, because, you know, I was in the military. I've worked with some of these people. I would

00:38:38.640 have said, no, those are good. I can't think of an agency that is performing in, you know,

00:38:45.780 to the benefit of the American people. DOD. I take my son to watch Top Gun Maverick, right?

00:38:51.240 And you're proud of seeing the pilots and all that. Then in real life, what's the Navy doing?

00:38:56.380 They're focusing on pronouns and all these other things. This woke garbage while China's laughing 1.00

00:39:01.780 at us. The FBI, what they're targeting parents going to school board meetings, doing basically 0.99

00:39:07.820 hoax investigations, whether it's the Russia hoax or whether it's the Michigan kidnapping hoax.

00:39:13.940 This is an agency that's totally lost its way. And then, of course, NIH, CDC, FDA, you telling me

00:39:21.620 they need to be fumigated as much as anybody after how they perform over COVID. And so I think that

00:39:27.700 this bureaucracy is in such need of a total overhaul. You need to fumigate. And we could do it

00:39:34.800 with Republican majorities, at least start and get a lot done. But it's going to be tough. The swamp's

00:39:41.020 going to fight back against them. And the question is, do they have the courage to stand there and stand

00:39:45.220 for us? Because I can tell you, I do not feel as an American represented by this bureaucracy.

00:39:51.680 I feel that this bureaucracy is working against me.

00:39:54.360 Oh, in many levels. This bureaucracy is beginning to scare me. The power that they are

00:40:01.520 gathering. And it's clear they are. I mean, if you just look at the map of where audits are already

00:40:10.580 happening, a lot of them are happening in Florida. A lot of them are happening. Most of them are

00:40:15.260 happening in red states. They're not happening in New York. Well, that's where a lot of those 0.69

00:40:19.020 billionaires, well, at least used to live. No, I think you're right. I mean, I think and that's

00:40:25.340 the thing. It's when Reagan was what came on the scene, it was just, you know, the government was

00:40:29.460 clunky. It was too big. It was holding us back. But I think the difference between Reagan's time when

00:40:35.140 when he said government is the problem versus now is just the government. These agencies have been

00:40:39.520 weaponized to to go after people who dissent from the narrative and who dissent from the regime.

00:40:45.140 And that makes them much, much more of a threat to freedom than in Reagan's day.

00:40:49.400 And I think we have a fourth branch of government now. I think we have the intelligence agencies.

00:40:55.820 I think the intelligence agencies are working against they're working for themselves. It feels like

00:41:02.600 and against the American people. Do you agree with that?

00:41:06.160 They have no accountability. And as somebody who was in Congress during the Russia collusion hoax,

00:41:12.380 you know, a lot of those elements were fueling a completely false narrative that basically upended

00:41:19.280 our politics and in many ways kneecap the Trump administration. And that was all based on a lie.

00:41:25.940 And it was a lie that was mobilized because they didn't like who won the 2016 election. And so

00:41:30.900 we, the American people are supposed to govern, not some unelected bureaucracy that is operating

00:41:37.760 in secret. But I do think that the way they work with the media to do these narratives based on

00:41:44.260 classified information has been very destructive to our politics, particularly over the last five

00:41:49.960 or six years.

00:41:50.580 Okay. We've been celebrating now Roe versus Wade, that it has been overturned with great joy for a

00:41:57.400 while. It is still remarkable that after 63 million babies that we have finally stopped it, but it's not

00:42:08.160 stopped, you know, nationwide by any stretch. And it's really never going to stop until we change

00:42:13.440 people's hearts. The way to change people's hearts, especially moms, when they come in, they get an 1.00

00:42:18.940 ultrasound. This is why the state of New York is against our pre-born centers because they,

00:42:26.080 they, A, don't call the baby a fetus. Look it up. What's the Latin definition? But they also give

00:42:34.660 an ultrasound. 80% chance the mom says, oh, wait a minute, that is a child. I can't, no, I won't. I want

00:42:42.820 to keep my child. We have been working with pre-born centers now all across the country to try to

00:42:48.920 save 50,000 babies by the end of the year and you can help. But now we're doing double time because

00:42:56.500 they have to, they have to outfit these pre-born centers with safety protocols because they're

00:43:02.760 coming under attack. I can't imagine the fear you might have if you were working at one of these

00:43:09.320 centers. Please help us save babies and keep pre-born centers safe so they can continue their

00:43:15.860 life-saving work. Donate whatever you can. A buck helps. A thousand bucks helps as well.

00:43:22.000 Whatever you can do. Donate dial, donate at a pound two 50 and say the keyword baby. That's pound

00:43:29.860 two 50 keyword baby or go to pre-born.com slash Glenn. That's pre-born.com slash Glenn.

00:43:37.220 I read a article in Vanity Fair this morning that was hysterical about your new civics where they say 0.97

00:43:45.460 that Thomas Jefferson absolutely raped his slaves. That's not true. Even the, even the best work on 0.96

00:43:52.900 this says maybe with Sally Hemings, maybe, but very doubtful. They tried to say that you're dismissing

00:44:01.380 slavery by pointing out that we were a small member. There was slavery that was happening in

00:44:08.620 the Western hemisphere that was far worse. Brazil, far worse than the United States. That doesn't

00:44:14.340 lessen it, does it? No, not at all. It's basically it's accurate history, Glenn. I mean, the fact of

00:44:20.560 the matter is, and this is what Abraham Lincoln thought. This is what Frederick Douglass thought when

00:44:24.780 they were having these debates around the time of the civil war. They said, Hey, this had been something

00:44:29.060 that had been in the colonies for 150 years. The founders laid down principles that were the first

00:44:34.660 principles to ever call slavery into question. The, that was the ammunition that abolitionists

00:44:39.840 later used that Martin Luther King invoked when he was on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial in the

00:44:44.800 sixties. And so the country was founded, uh, for this birth of freedom and they created a constitution,

00:44:50.980 which they honestly believed would set slavery, uh, to, to basically fade away. Now that didn't end up

00:44:57.680 happening, we fought a great civil war over it, but I think the left tries to portray American history

00:45:02.740 as it being founded because of slavery and that this was something that, you know, the founders

00:45:07.940 were really holding up about what their, the country was about. Actually, a lot of them were embarrassed

00:45:12.380 that this was something that was there. Even people like Washington who owned slaves, freed slaves.

00:45:17.800 Jefferson would always, you know, he agonized about slavery and I know he participated in it, 1.00

00:45:22.260 but he recognized that it was wrong. So intellectually you had very few of the revolutionary

00:45:26.980 generation make a compelling positive case for slavery. What these people though are doing on 0.91

00:45:32.560 the left, they're basically taking the position Stephen Douglas took when he debated Lincoln in 1858.

00:45:38.960 I mean, Douglas was saying, Hey, no, the slavery, uh, the constitution is about slavery. He supported 0.91

00:45:43.660 the Dred Scott decision. Lincoln was on the other side of that. He said, this was a country conceived in

00:45:48.780 liberty. It doesn't happen overnight. This is a fight that you have to keep fighting. Uh, but that's what

00:45:54.260 he believes. So we're teaching the accurate history and we're basically teaching it from the perspective

00:45:59.600 of a Lincoln or a Frederick Douglas rather than a Stephen Douglas. Um, people ask me all the time.

00:46:06.560 They ask me and I, I barely know you. Um, but, uh, they'll come up to me and say, what, what, what is it

00:46:12.920 do you think, uh, drives him? And I've said, well, I think one of his biggest assets is his wife, uh,

00:46:20.720 and, um, and her philosophy. She knows freedom very, very well, by the way, how is she?

00:46:28.460 She's, she's doing really, really well. So thanks for asking.

00:46:31.180 You bet. Please say hello to her. Um, what is it that drives you? What is it that,

00:46:35.680 because when we first saw you come into Congress and maybe it was just the time you just didn't

00:46:42.640 have the, you know, COVID you, you, the window of time, it's your window of time. Now, what is it

00:46:50.260 that drives you? Where was your turning point? Well, look, I think in elected office, I mean,

00:46:55.840 as Congress, you're one of four 35. And so I think I had a lot of great ideas. I just didn't have the

00:47:00.380 capacity to implement those ideas at the time as governor, the buck stops with you. And I think

00:47:05.660 people either are grabbing some leaders gravitate towards that. They want to be making these

00:47:10.680 decisions. Some people don't like that. And they'd rather be one of four 35 where the spotlight isn't

00:47:16.300 on them. But, you know, from a very young age, growing up playing baseball and eventually going

00:47:20.620 into the Navy and doing all this stuff. What I always just understood is there's a lot in life you

00:47:25.480 can't control. The one thing I can control is when I wake up in the morning and I look in the mirror,

00:47:30.400 am I getting all out of the talent that God gave me or not? Am I working hard to reach my full

00:47:37.160 potential or not? And so when you're playing sports, you're making sure that you're practicing,

00:47:41.920 doing what you need to do to improve there. As a governor, I look in the mirror and say,

00:47:46.820 what else could I be doing, you know, to, to, to make life better for the people that I represent?

00:47:51.640 So one of the reasons we're on offense on a lot of this stuff is because I just have that sense of

00:47:56.380 urgency of wanting to be able to use my time to get things done. And I will say when my wife was

00:48:02.780 diagnosed with breast cancer last year, it does put some things into perspective because you're

00:48:07.820 just going on, you know, we're, you know, relatively, I'm still the youngest governor in

00:48:11.340 the country. Our kids are now five, four, and two. Wow. We haven't had a family that young in the

00:48:16.320 governor's mansion since the 1800s in Florida. So you kind of just do that. And then to see something

00:48:20.960 like that happen. And you're like, wow, you know, you never know what tomorrow will bring.

00:48:25.720 And every day is a gift and do whatever you can in the here and now, and just make the most of the

00:48:32.000 opportunity. And so I do think people look, even a lot of my critics will acknowledge that I have

00:48:38.480 energy. Hamilton said energy and the executive is the leading characteristic of good governor.

00:48:43.220 You know, we are an energetic executive and we're out there making things happen. And obviously the

00:48:49.000 state has responded very positively and we've done, done really well under my tenure and we're

00:48:53.700 going to just keep going. Last question for you. Cause I want to keep you on time on your busy day.

00:48:59.040 Everybody has tried to pit you against Donald Trump. Everybody is speculating whether you would

00:49:04.100 run. I'm not going to ask you that question. The worst, here's the question. The worst thing that

00:49:08.340 could happen to the right and the constitution, the constitutional Republicans is for there to be a

00:49:18.760 scene where you two were eating one another. Um, and, and Donald Trump is very good at, uh, isolating

00:49:28.420 his, uh, his opposition. How's your relationship with him? And is it, is it possible? Are you guys

00:49:40.180 working together? And I'm not talking about an election, but do you have a good working relationship

00:49:45.500 with him? Look, I think a lot of that is, I mean, first of all, when he was president, uh, he, he was

00:49:51.140 great for Florida, very accessible, really helped us with a lot of things that I can tell you having

00:49:56.100 Biden for a year and a half has been a disaster for Florida and he tries to do whatever he can to

00:50:01.580 throw sand in the gears here. But I think a lot of that's just the media. I think the media, they know

00:50:06.520 the Democrats are going to have a rough 22. And so they want to try to figure out ways to try to trip

00:50:11.980 the Republicans up. And so just because I've become well known now as governor, they think that

00:50:17.500 they're trying to do that. So what I'm doing is just focusing on, on beating the left. And we're

00:50:22.740 excited about the opportunities in Florida. You know, I'm not only doing my election, which is very

00:50:26.960 important. Uh, I'm helping our legislative candidates. We may have a super majority in the Florida

00:50:32.140 legislature veto proof after this election. And I've also endorsed now 30 school board candidates.

00:50:38.460 A lot of people used to forget about these races and they're nonpartisan races, but the union will

00:50:44.020 support usually a liberal activist. We have to have candidates that represent our values. And so

00:50:49.060 we've not only endorsed, you know, we've put in, we've put in a lot of money to help them get across

00:50:54.160 the finish line. And so I think we got to understand, like people can try to do this or that, but at the

00:50:59.100 end of the day, to me, you know, the threats to our freedom are coming from the left. There's of course

00:51:04.840 establishment Republicans. There's other stuff that we can talk about within our own tent. But I think

00:51:09.960 the focus now really needs to be, uh, beating back the left. We've done that more than anybody has. I

00:51:15.500 think in the country, in the state of Florida, that's one of the reasons why people are flocking

00:51:18.820 here. Um, in record numbers, because they realize in some of these other states that have gone woke,

00:51:23.540 something's wrong. Something's wrong when criminals are allowed to run wild in the streets.

00:51:28.080 Something's wrong when our kids are subjected to indoctrination. Something's wrong, uh, when

00:51:33.600 hardworking people are locked down and not allowed to earn a living. And so we've really been, I think,

00:51:37.900 the refuge, uh, from a lot of that, but it's, um, you know, it has nothing to do with any of these other

00:51:43.040 things that talk about, I know people love to just gossip and talk, but I can tell you, like focusing on

00:51:49.620 these future things when we have so much on our plate now, that's just never the way I think. And so that's

00:51:54.840 just not the road I go down. Governor DeSantis, I have to say, um, that you have given me and,

00:52:00.480 and I would imagine millions of Americans hope you, um, we are in a, we're at the crossroads

00:52:06.480 of our country. Um, we can very well lose it at this point. Um, we're not going to win it through

00:52:12.260 fighting, arguing, calling each other names. We're going to, we're going to save it by having, uh,

00:52:18.980 uh, intelligent people who are not afraid to speak the truth. And you

00:52:24.660 have done that very effectively without getting, um, greasy or dirty. And I'm one American that

00:52:32.180 would like to sincerely thank you for the way you are running Florida and the hope that you are

00:52:37.620 giving all of us that, yeah, decent people still exist and we can really actually find people to

00:52:44.660 run, to run things in our interest. So thank you. Thanks Glenn. It's an honor to be with you.

00:52:50.180 You bet.

00:52:54.660 Just a reminder, I'd love you to rate and subscribe to the podcast and pass this on to a friend so it

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The Glenn Beck Program - August 13, 2022

Ep 150 ｜ Ron DeSantis vs. Everyone： The Governor Who BROKE the Media ｜ Ron DeSantis ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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