Ep 156 ｜ How to Laugh Through Depression & Homelessness ｜ Jamie Kilstein ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast
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1 hour and 20 minutes
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177.55495
Summary
Comedian Dave Chappelle joins Glenn Beck on the Glenn Beck Podcast to talk about his new life in Austin, Texas, and why he thinks we should stop talking about politics all the time. Plus, a surprise guest appearance from comedian Jamie Kilstein.
Transcript
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Politics really sucks, and it has been very complicated.
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A stumbling block for the guest today, beginning with the community of uber, uber progressive comedians and writers who kicked him out of their tribe.
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Conservatives have always been good to him, but he wants to move away from politics and focus on comedy.
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Mental health is a big thing for him, and he believes that his mental health and perhaps all of our mental health will be better if we just stop talking about politics all the time.
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Now he's taking a chance for a very fresh start, literally moving from Washington, D.C. to Austin, performing stand-up shows along the way.
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He has no job. He has no future. He could be living under a bridge.
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I don't think he's going to have to worry about that long.
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He has been very familiar with fresh starts and big breaks.
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His comedy career landed him spots on the Conan O'Brien Show, the Joe Rogan Experience, Burt Cast, ton of other major podcasts.
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He's performed at the Montreal Comedy Festival, the Sydney Comedy Festival, the Melbourne Comedy Festival.
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The legendary Robin Williams said that this guy you're going to meet here in a second is, quote, amazing, and I'll be spreading the word.
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We need more comedians kicking it hard the way he does every night, end quote.
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Wow. Does he does he have that framed on a wall somewhere?
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So the last time you were here was 2019, I think right before the pandemic.
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Um, and I think, you know, when I used to talk about it, it was in terms of my livelihood.
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So it was sort of, I spent years just asking, what am I going to do?
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And then I started asking kind of deeper questions.
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Um, like who am I as a man, which feels like probably a more important one that will lead
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And it's weird when you, cause I got to there when I was 30.
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Cause that, that question changes your entire life.
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Well, and especially we're sort of deceived into thinking that it, any of it is external
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and, uh, and including, and I'm sure people who listen to you go through it for me, it
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I feel like phase one was how am I going to survive?
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The next phase was, all right, well, I guess in order to figure that out, I need to figure
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And then where I'm at now is, oh, none of that matters at all.
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And it's all just how can you be a better person.
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And the more I follow that, the more just things kind of start falling into place.
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So, I mean, I was talking to my dad when I was driving here and I mean, I've been driving
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from New York for the last like week or two and stopping to do standup shows, but driving.
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And he goes, at some point I must've said something self-hating without even noticing it.
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Like, and I said something about being, you know, unemployed and homeless and I'll be
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I mean, him have a complicated relationship, but he stopped me and was really sweet.
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And he was like, this is the least I've been worried about you because you sound the happiest.
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Um, and I think that's because, you know, through all of the sort of rock bottoms and trying
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to define myself, it's like, oh, I actually have a purpose now.
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Um, but after we, after we met COVID was literally, I know it was really hard for people
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and I, I, I show so much sympathy, but for me, it was the week before.
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Before lockdown, my girlfriend left and my cat died and I was like, things can't get worse.
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I had no, uh, fake validation to fill the hole.
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And it was also the first guy who has, you know, you've been codependent and, and also
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Well, and this is where, this is where I sound.
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You have these choices when you are depressed or suicidal or have lost everything or go through
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I mean, the girl was very sweet, but like, I remember, I remember she would like, I would
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be crying, uh, um, and she would come up to me and be like, Hey, we're still going to
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Um, and, uh, and you know, you can frame things as if I framed things as low, look at this
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suicidal, Jamie, of course, I'm going to get dumped before COVID.
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Of course, the first time I'm ever single, literally the first time as an adult, I've
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ever been single because I have been codependent and have stayed in toxic relationships was during
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Um, woe is me, woe is me, but instead like right away, and if I didn't write away, I would
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have been in trouble, but right away I was just like, how can I, what am I supposed to
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And if let's take codependency, for example, right?
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For the first, I remember again, my dad, he was like, you know, I've been telling, cause
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I was so happy six months in and he goes, I've been telling you, I've been telling you all
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you got to do is be single and say no to girls and stuff like that.
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And I didn't have the heart to tell him that like, dad, it wasn't, it wasn't you.
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It was literally God, a global outbreak stopped me from being codependent.
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I probably would have, you know, I would, I would move in with girls like right when we
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met, like I was just, part of it's me being romantic.
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And I literally couldn't, I wasn't allowed to go outside.
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And, um, so what I did over quarantine was I started reading every day.
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I, I, I, I did psilocybin, which was also like, that was my sort of come to God moment.
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Um, and, and they're actually using it for a micro dosing too, for PTSD right now.
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They're using it clinically now, which is really cool.
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And they're using it for recovery, which is, I think goes against some stuff.
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But anyway, um, and, but, but I mean, man, if it gets people to stop drinking, if you can
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And, um, and I just literally had the year to figure out who I was and I, I'm not there
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yet, uh, at all, but it was, it was a really good starting point.
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Um, then I start doing standup and I go, a lot of the health went out the window because
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I started smoking cigarettes for the first time since like, I was like 16, Glenn, because
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And I said, like, I do jujitsu every day with UFC champions.
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Like I, I'm, I fight with professionals and I'm like smoking cigarettes at these shows.
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The first day I smoked a cigarette, I got so sick that I lied to the comics and I was like,
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And literally I smoked a one cigarette and I was like, oh, um, and I just felt horrible.
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And I left, but then I kept doing it because, you know, I think so much of addiction, um,
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maybe not even addiction, but just why we make these unhealthy choices.
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It's, oh, I didn't think I was, I mean, I'll just use high school language.
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Cause that's the only thing I can think of right now.
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I didn't think I was cool enough to fit in unless I was doing the things that everyone
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else is doing, which is totally antithetical to my onstage persona, to the advice I give,
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to what I would tell someone in jujitsu, to what I would tell someone in standup, to what
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Um, but it's hard and I go, well, this is what comics do.
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And so I would, I was drinking more than I was ever drinking and smoking.
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And, and then, you know, I started, um, being like, I guess I should talk about politics
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Cause I was really, I was trying not to, I was trying just to talk about mental health and
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I was trying to talk about just comedy and I was like, I can be political by making people
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And then when I was talking about politics, I was like, I don't know where I belong.
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You know, I felt too liberal for some conservative places.
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I felt too problematic for some liberal places.
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And it, it's so hard politically for people, for people listening to the show, for people
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who have listened to me before to, to figure out who they are.
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If both sides are telling them that they have to align 100% with them, or they're just kind
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And the left, I think does that more than the right.
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I mean, you saw the whole Trump, non Trump divide and it's so unhealthy.
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And I think to me, what really helped me more than anything was, you know how they say you
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Um, if you look at where I've lived, I went from Brooklyn to LA to Arizona to Texas to
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And I was like, so geographically, I definitely kind of proved that I like, I took the roadmap,
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Um, and you know, meeting nonpolitical people, people who me and you don't follow on Twitter,
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people who aren't on Twitter, people, regular people, regular people.
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Who, when you're like, Oh man, everyone's mad at Glenn Greenwald today.
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And, um, and, and I, I couldn't, I didn't know if they were conservative or liberal and
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some of my best friends were conservative and I've seen the way they take care of their
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And, you know, they gave me couches to sleep on when I had nothing.
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Whereas I remember a lot of my most 99% of my liberal friends bailed on me when there
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was trouble and I couldn't get them on MSNBC anymore.
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And that doesn't necessarily mean that suddenly I go, Oh, I guess I'm a conservative, but it
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makes you, it makes you go, well, if I respect them when we're training jujitsu together, which
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is like very, you're trusting someone with your life.
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Essentially, um, if I admire their, the way they, they, they, they are to their family,
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the kind of husband they are, the kind of father they are, um, wife, et cetera, then maybe
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I should actually ask them why they believe the things that I don't believe.
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And so I would be like, I just go up to one of my poor jujitsu friends and be like, can
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And they're like, and cause I was so curious cause I was like, I know you're a good person
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And half, most of the time they would give me their reasonings for, you know, whatever.
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And it doesn't necessarily mean you agree with it.
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You're like, Oh, and isn't that so much better?
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Like we fight every day on Twitter and we assume that the other side, I made a tweet
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today where I was like, Hey, just cause someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they're either
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a Nazi or a groomer or a Russian asset or, you know, whatever.
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They could just be like a dude who disagrees with you.
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And we get so worked up and those extremes are out there, but we get so worked up.
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Um, and when I try to tell people, when I go, Hey, look, I know people on the left who
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And I know people on the right who are really cool and they're still like, well, no, but
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it's different when it's blank, when it's left or when it's right.
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And I just want to be like, but don't you want to root for the world where the majority
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of people aren't Nazis or anti-fuck rumors or like, shouldn't we be pushing for that?
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And I think right now there are, and by the way, all the standup shows I've been doing
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I'm mainly doing shows in Texas and the audiences are always pretty split liberals and conservatives.
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And I remind them at the end of the show, I go, Hey, we all laughed at the P with the
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people laughing, which is one of the most intimate things ever.
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We're in a dark room laughing with people that I'm telling you disagree with you.
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And if we could almost town hall this, when the lights come up after experiencing that
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laughter together, we could probably find some gray area on these issues that supposedly we're
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That's why I think our American and really Western narrative has been destroyed because
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And then once you take that cornerstone out and you say, nope, that's not what, that's
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If we don't believe in that, then you don't know.
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It's all the founding ideas, but we have to discover them again for ourself.
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I mean, I have, I have a, uh, uh, unfortunately nefarious theory, but I was going to, I was
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going to say, I don't understand why nuance or moderation is the bad thing or the edgy
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Um, and it's because people profit off of divisiveness.
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It's because literally, and there are bad people on both sides that want that.
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And, and their whole, I mean, that's their whole marketing, their marketing budget goes
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And if you really care about these issues, I mean, that's the thing.
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If you really want, um, less abortions, if you really want a safer schools, then you want
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You don't just want to scream to the point where nothing is getting accomplished.
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You want, so the gun thing was a huge wake up call for me because I used to be very anti
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gun, um, which has all of your listeners probably can assume means that I've never shot a gun.
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But you also, you used to describe yourself as a male feminist and I've just read one of
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your tweets said that you were, you described yourself as a, uh, as a white woman with a gun.
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Well, I mean, and again, this was the label thing, right?
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I, I've never, um, I don't know if I've ever gone to a feminist March.
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If I've told you that I've seen the handmaid's tale, I'm lying to you because I'm nervous and
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Um, I, I think I bought a bell hooks book, but I didn't get it.
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I, I, someone got mad at me cause you're like, she's not, you don't capitalize her letters
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Um, I remember, but I got labeled a male feminist cause I was like, rapes bad and treat women
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And you know, there are certain things just like there are certain things that women don't
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There are certain things that guys will never understand about where I don't walk to my car
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late at night with the keys tucked between my knuckles.
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Um, and these are things that, you know, at the time I probably thought conservatives just
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But then suddenly I got labeled this male, the feminist, cause I would talk about issues
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And I think that this is a thing in our industry is once you get labeled something, you kind of
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just have to go to the edge or you feel like you do.
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So now suddenly any feminist issue that was brought to my podcast or to me, I was like,
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So I guess I believe that it would be the same if I was, you know, conservative, like I back
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I am much more of a second amendment guy than I ever thought I would be because I've met experts
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Um, I, I joke about this on stage because I'm like teachers, they can't afford bullets.
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Uh, they, they, they shouldn't have to be trained to be tactical.
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And then I do a whole thing with them eventually snapping and pulling a gun on the kids.
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Um, but the, you have to talk to people on the other, if I didn't talk to people who
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knew how to shoot firearms, I wouldn't know the things I now know because I would just
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be coming at that issue from an adversarial point of view.
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I have to tell you, I have become such a, uh, a sock snob.
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Um, cause it's what I packed in the suitcase on the way home.
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Uh, I was in Italy for a week with my wife and I only packed one pair of grip sick socks
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So Tim became a friend of mine in Austin and he's a special forces guy was a UFC fighter
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And one of the things he was saying in front of no cameras.
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So I hope it's okay that I say this, but he was telling me that he wants more women,
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gay people, Muslims, Jews, um, to train, to learn how to defend themselves.
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And I remember in that moment being like, Oh, even though, I mean, you go to his Instagram,
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you guys are one of the most conservative guys you'll ever see.
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And I was like, Oh, this guy actually wants to do more to empower and help the people that
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And that by the way, chances are a lot of my old liberal friends, if they saw a minority
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getting held up at knife point would maybe like post about it later or film it.
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But like Tim's running up there, like Tim would like get cut for it.
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And so when I had the chance to meet the sheepdog guys, I remember just being, and I was still
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It was, it was before Uvalde, but, and I remember just asking them, I go, wait, why doesn't anyone
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When they're interviewed on, they are interviewed on TV, but they have to just defend, don't
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Tim did a podcast about tactically what they would do.
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And so I asked these guys and, um, Jeff Gonzalez, who's, who's one of the guys and he's a big
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So what happens is when the left after a tragedy just goes, we're going to take everyone's
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guns, the NRA guys, and you know how media works.
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They have like, what, like two minutes or something to talk in sound bites.
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And they're, they have to just say, yeah, they're just, they're, they're, they're, they're on
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their heels instead of, Hey, you were in Iraq, you've defended politicians, you've done all
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this tactically, how should we set up these schools to be safer?
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And now that I have asked them, I go, Oh, okay.
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And I want, as by the way, they think that too, they were like, of course they want people
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to train, you know, it's so anyway, so I just, but I want to learn that.
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And this sounds silly, but I want to learn that if I didn't talk to them, you know, and
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I don't want to just preach to the choir, just real quick, I'll give another example
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Me as someone who I guess is still semi on the left, I've been calling myself a bleeding
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hard centrist, um, recently, um, but probably more liberal than a lot of your listeners,
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I guess what, I don't even know what that means anymore, but I, as someone who is considered
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liberal, am pretty appalled by the, the children at drag shows, by the idea of, um, kids getting
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sex changes, um, before they really know what's going on.
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When I think about me as a kid, I'm horrified if I made any permanent decision.
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I mean, God, me having a ponytail, I like burned those pictures and I was like, you know,
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Um, like that was pretty bad, but I can cut that off.
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Um, the, but then when I see, so I agree with that and I would get in a lot of trouble
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and I've tried to like, uh, sort of tweet about it, but it's not worth it.
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I've talked about it on my podcast cause I can be a little more nuanced.
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Um, I, I, I think that, and I think a lot of people on the left field that way.
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Like now what I'll see some conservatives do though, is then they go, therefore the quiet
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gay couple that's married in the suburbs there, they want to groom our kids.
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Um, to use these extreme examples that I'm with you on, um, as suddenly now we're going
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all the way back to pre same sex marriage and saying all gay people want to groom our kids.
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And the conservatives I know who have gay relatives or, you know, they know that as well.
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And, and again, it just comes down to, I have trans friends who are horrified by that stuff,
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who don't want, you know, uh, trans people competing in like MMA and et cetera, but we
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don't get to hear from these people because they're normal people and they're not, you
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What pieces have you put into place on who are you?
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Well, I think the first thing you have to do and that I did was you have to get healthy.
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I feel like every time I hear a good slogan, it comes from AA, but I never remember where
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people talk about a God-shaped hole in your heart.
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But we're always trying to fill this God-shaped hole, right?
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And for me, for a long time, it was with relationships.
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It was someone telling me I'm good because I didn't believe I was good.
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And the more I hang out with religious people and people were like, you know, God loves
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And I forget because again, you only see caricatures.
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I only thought of Christians as like, they're the ones that don't like gay people, right?
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Not all this like beautiful things that Jesus said.
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And, you know, I have addiction and I clearly have an addictive personality.
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But I, so I, and I felt stupid going to meetings.
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I think I went to one meeting cause I don't, my rock bottom stories happened like sober.
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But I noticed, I just didn't like that every time I did a show, I had to have a drink,
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I didn't like if I'm in a social situation, if I'm going to a bar, you know, my dream relationship
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But if a girl wanted to meet at a bar, I'd go, all right, well, I guess I have to drink
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so I don't seem weird to her instead of having the confidence to go, no, I don't want to
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Like, I don't even want to go on a date really with someone who wants to have a first date at
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a bar if that's not the kind of relationship I want.
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The meditation, making sure I'm working out every day, trying to like chill out with food.
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All of these things, they don't give you the answer, but it's sort of, it clears the
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Um, have you gotten to the place yet in your drive from New York to Texas?
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How much of it did you spend with no noise, no radio, no podcast, nothing?
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You said that because I've never talked to anyone about this yet, but I always thought
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walking through nature, you know, was one of the most meditative healing things you could
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do, which it is, but I always have music on or a podcast.
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And I went hiking and it was raining and I listened to music for the beginning and then
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And dude, I've, I've, I felt like I was like on psychedelics.
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Like there was a moment where I had to stop and I just got emotional.
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Um, not in a bad way, just in a, this is exactly where I'm supposed to be right now,
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And, uh, now that you said that, that is my sign because I'm looking for those.
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I feel like when you're aligned, whether you're spiritual or secular or whatever, I feel like
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when you're on the right path, you can kind of take inventory of these signs that are
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telling you like, keep going this way, keep going this way.
00:30:52.120
Um, there's also, it works in the other direction too.
00:30:57.720
You know, so we, whatever we're thinking or looking for whatever, whatever it will come
00:31:03.940
And we just don't necessarily notice or we dismiss the signs going the other way as a, well,
00:31:11.220
just this once or just that, and you go down that way.
00:31:14.680
And then when we go, when we get these signs going the other way, we dismiss them as coincidence.
00:31:25.500
And so now I'm going to, I'm going to make it a habit to, to do that more.
00:31:34.720
You know, when, when I, um, when I could drive a long distance in a car by myself,
00:31:40.920
no radio, no, nothing, no music, just alone with your thoughts.
00:31:47.860
Then I thought, because, because if you're like, I am like you beating yourself up and
00:31:53.880
thinking of things that you did and you've ever been so, I've been so embarrassed by myself
00:32:00.720
that you'll be all by yourself and to stop yourself from thinking something, you'll go
00:32:08.440
So the first book I read over a quarantine when I was like, okay, I don't know anything
00:32:16.040
And I was like, everyone talks about Tony Robbins.
00:32:18.460
I was like, so I went down this YouTube rabbit hole of him and I was like, this guy is huge
00:32:23.440
And I bought one of his books and he's talking about, you know, positive self-talk and kind
00:32:29.720
of what you were saying, what we were talking about with like looking for signs.
00:32:32.340
He, he said something like, you know, if I say, look for a blue Jeep or a blue car,
00:32:37.580
So if we can train ourself to sort of hone in on the vision of what we want, we'll start
00:32:45.700
And, uh, so I go, all right, I just got to think positive.
00:32:49.120
And this sounds like a bit Glenn and it's not, it's not funny enough to be a bit.
00:33:01.200
And so then I started getting mad at myself for not being able to think positive.
00:33:14.620
And I like, I remember I just like stormed outside and like went for a walk out in the
00:33:18.940
And that was sort of just like a private low moment.
00:33:22.680
It wasn't a biggie, but it was, it was definitely a things have to change.
00:33:32.420
I actually want to ask you a question when you're driving like that, are you trying to
00:33:36.400
treat it like a meditation in the sense that you're trying not to have thoughts or when
00:33:41.280
the thoughts come up, you don't judge them and you just let them be.
00:33:44.360
Are you trying to problem solve or are you just trying to like watch the road, watch the
00:33:51.660
It's just, I never could be alone with my thoughts cause it would, it would spiral into
00:33:57.480
what you just said, you know, you stupid idiot.
00:33:59.700
What are you, you know, or it would get so oppressive in there.
00:34:02.880
It's just so loud sometimes when you're not healthy.
00:34:08.560
First one out of every five pregnancies in this country are aborted adds up to 63 million
00:34:14.500
babies since the beginning of Roe versus Wade after Roe, uh, blue States are gearing up now
00:34:23.520
And it, I think it's going to get worse than it ever has.
00:34:27.400
This is where pre-born comes in there in direct competition with Planned Parenthood, the largest
00:34:36.220
And they're partnering with the Glenn Beck program to rescue 50,000 babies this year.
00:34:40.880
When an expecting mother comes in to see her child on an ultrasound, when she hears the
00:34:56.120
Pre-born provides maternity, baby clothes, diapers, car seats, counseling, so much more,
00:35:04.320
They not only want to save the baby, they also want to help the mother.
00:35:09.380
Pre-born, can you help us save 50,000 lives today?
00:35:14.240
Dial pound 250, say the keyword baby, or go to pre-born.com slash Glenn.
00:35:22.940
The last, um, relationship I had, it was this, this great girl on, um, in Austin and she are
00:35:34.080
like last email correspondence, which was pretty recently.
00:35:36.860
Um, she said something along the lines of, you know, thank you for, she, she, she said that
00:35:45.700
it was the safest she ever felt in a relationship.
00:35:49.080
And, and I've heard that before and, you know, it means so much to me.
00:35:56.500
And then I think about random trolls or whatever on Twitter who will say stuff about me that's
00:36:13.380
And that's, you know, that's been a lot of the suicide stuff where you just feel trapped
00:36:19.360
or helpless or, you know, when it really happens for me is when you go, I'm doing all the right
00:36:25.120
things like, and, and you still feel like you can't catch a break, you know?
00:36:31.560
Mm-hmm and, uh, and so being in the public, you know, I don't know how you've dealt with this or,
00:36:37.620
or whatever, but it's, it's crazy to me, you know, and in the last couple of months, it's for
00:36:43.500
finally the first time I've accepted that, like, I know I'm a good person.
00:36:46.580
I know I'm a good guy, blah, blah, blah, but it's, it's crazy in the world we live in that sometimes
00:36:51.120
even when you are by yourself with your thoughts, that's what made me think of this.
00:36:54.860
Um, you can let people who, oh yeah, literally they, they, they don't exist.
00:37:01.880
Uh, they don't even have a, they don't even have an avatar of their face.
00:37:04.900
They're just random people saying things to everybody on the internet.
00:37:11.020
Um, and letting that go, oh God, like there were years where I was like, I guess I'm a, I guess I'm a bad guy.
00:37:24.560
of course that happens and, uh, it's happened to me and happened to everybody that I know and people who I think are really, really good people as well.
00:37:33.300
Um, and I think where I've come to on this is, um, that if it, at some level, it doesn't bother you enough to go, well, gosh, am I that guy?
00:37:50.660
What have I said to make, and how are they interpreting it?
00:37:57.080
But it's like asking people who you disagree with.
00:38:01.620
I've tried to spend, I went through about a three year period of just saying, so wait a minute, half the country believes this about me.
00:38:11.420
So what is it I've done and how could I do it differently?
00:38:18.280
And it's, it's, it's really tough, but I will tell you, there's the problems that you struggle with where people are saying things because you deserve it.
00:38:31.380
And then there's this little magical period, at least for me, this little magical period where you, will you drop in?
00:38:43.620
And this magical period where you drop in and it's like you're brand new and you're, it's like, Oh my gosh, this is fantastic.
00:38:51.040
And so you're, you can put the mistakes of the past behind you, but if you hold on to that period, and I think this is coming in your life.
00:39:03.000
If you hold on to that period and you don't compromise, don't compromise yourself, your belief, don't smoke because everybody else is smoking smoke because you want to.
00:39:18.040
Um, and you refuse to compromise for any reason because your, your relationship with yourself or your relationship with God is more important.
00:39:30.580
The same crap comes back because now you're doing wrong, but now you're actually going against the grain of society of trying to do right.
00:39:44.200
And so people will start to attach themselves to you.
00:39:48.520
Well, you're only doing that because you want money.
00:39:50.660
You only doing that because you're trying to appease.
00:39:58.760
And I think that that's one of the most, I don't want to use the word evil.
00:40:05.280
But when people do that, I want to write about this.
00:40:09.000
Um, when they call you a grifter or they say you're just, you know, whatever this idea that the only reason somebody could try to change their mind or try to better themselves or try to is for a paycheck or as for, you know, even with the feminist stuff, you know, I am years ahead of that.
00:40:29.880
And when people go, you know, well, were you just doing it to like get girls?
00:40:33.260
I was like, no, I was doing it because I thought it was right.
00:40:35.960
And now I can go, oh, okay, well, this part was right.
00:40:43.680
And like, yeah, I probably should have worked on my marriage.
00:40:48.000
But this idea that the only reason that you could change your mind or become friends with conservatives or talk to liberals is because of, you know, a paycheck.
00:40:58.440
It's like when people, you tell someone, I mean, this has happened to me a lot recently where I tell people, you know, I want to eat healthy.
00:41:06.140
And they're like, oh, but don't you want to have fun?
00:41:07.560
Or you tell people you're going to quit drinking and they're, you know, they get mad at you.
00:41:11.800
And you're like, hey, man, what's going on with you where you're upset if I, I didn't say you don't have to drink.
00:41:22.860
Where people, and I think if everybody listening to this, which is a lot of people, if everyone could just ask themselves, how can I make myself better every day instead of attacking other people, attacking other people?
00:41:39.800
And what I've noticed is the more I try to better myself, whether it's spiritually, physically, mentally, politically, the more suddenly, and you probably noticed this too, your people start to find you.
00:41:53.020
Whether it's fans or just new friends, the beacon, it's the beacon.
00:41:57.660
And then you don't feel alone or crazy because I'll tell you, if you are listening to this and if you are struggling, you know, going on a diet, as simple as that sounds, you're going to feel alone.
00:42:22.300
I mean, especially in someone like, like for me, and you can choose the way you want to see it.
00:42:28.100
I can either go, oh God, I'm hated by the left and the right.
00:42:30.980
Or I can go, oh, I'm speaking for people who aren't represented.
00:42:39.700
That puts you into the category of Gandhi and Martin Luther King.
00:42:42.900
And I mean, you know, not necessarily that you're that guy.
00:42:46.260
That's my new quote is, Jamie is the new Martin Luther King from Glenn Beck.
00:42:53.140
Looks like I'm going to get hired somewhere, baby.
00:42:59.580
It's, it's, it's, it's so wild that this idea of trying to bring people together.
00:43:08.300
I never thought I would tell anybody, but I emailed myself before I came on the show because
00:43:12.940
whenever I would do other shows that are conservative or in the middle or whatever,
00:43:17.400
for me, for me, the only way someone can sell out is if they say something they don't
00:43:27.400
And I had an opportunity to do that and I didn't do it.
00:43:31.060
And I would have been very, I would have had a lot more money.
00:43:33.200
I would have, I would have also been able to bring a sweater for the taping.
00:43:40.520
But like, uh, I had those opportunities and, and so then there was a phase, you know,
00:43:48.080
when I came on this show and where I go, okay, well, when I'm on right wing shows,
00:43:52.500
I'll probably make fun of the parts of the left.
00:43:59.860
And I'll probably try to get at least some kind of liberal, like, Hey, don't, this is
00:44:06.740
So I'm like, um, that's pretty common sense that I'm sure all your listeners would agree
00:44:15.740
And now when I do comedy shows, the mission statement is be funny.
00:44:24.640
Whether I'm talking about politics, whether I'm talking about dating, make people laugh
00:44:29.780
And then when I do shows like this, what I emailed myself was, I was like, bring people
00:44:34.120
together and it's, I'm gonna get killed for saying this.
00:44:38.580
But when you said Martin Luther King, it's so funny you said that because I was in DC
00:44:44.900
and I went to the Lincoln Memorial for the first time.
00:44:52.460
And, uh, and I went to the Lincoln Memorial and I started reading the speeches and I'm like
00:45:02.020
I was like, why did it, why did it take me so long to come here?
00:45:05.820
And, and I go to leave and I call my brother, um, my, my, my awesome liberal brother who
00:45:13.220
Like sometimes when I go, Hey, I'm starting to feel this way.
00:45:17.820
I'm like, um, and he goes, Hey, not a lot of people know this.
00:45:22.840
Um, cause it's kind of dusted over, but on the top of the steps, the, the, the squares
00:45:27.760
marked off where Martin Luther King gave the, I have a dream speech.
00:45:36.540
And I ran back and, uh, like double jumped the steps and I find it.
00:45:43.400
And I stand there and I like, you know, it takes your breath away.
00:45:47.360
And then this little tour group comes up and the leader of the tour groups, this Latino
00:45:52.700
guy, and he's, you know, and there's like six people in his group and he starts giving
00:45:56.900
parts of the speech, you know, um, doing his tour guide thing, but it's still, it's, it's
00:46:00.660
cool, it's cool because I wouldn't have said anything.
00:46:03.720
And then this girl, uh, in the group, this younger girl points at the date and she goes,
00:46:11.300
Not even the tour guide realized that none of us realized it.
00:46:14.960
And so I get chills and, and I'm not even, I have ADD.
00:46:25.100
Um, and, and I, I have just, I've been thinking about him so much and, you know, I hear I conservatives
00:46:35.360
get demonized every time they quote the, I have a dream speech.
00:46:38.540
And even liberals do, you know, I think now Martin Luther King Jr. would probably be like
00:46:50.020
And so, um, but yeah, so when I emailed myself, I thought of him and I was like, why can't my
00:46:56.080
mission statement just be bring people together?
00:46:58.940
Why when I can't, I just, when I go on liberal shows, I can talk about all the great conservatives.
00:47:03.480
I know when I come on shows like this, I can say like, Hey, my friends aren't trying to
00:47:08.820
Uh, my liberal friends are like pretty cool and just want to do jujitsu and make art and,
00:47:12.600
you know, hang out too, whether they're gay or straight or black or white or whatever.
00:47:18.940
I mean, isn't that, I mean, that's what we should all be trying to do, but it's, it's so
00:47:25.200
hard because even when I make a tweet about bringing people together, the majority of people,
00:47:32.080
and I have a lot of conservative followers now, there's a, there's a lot of mega and
00:47:35.960
screen names and, um, and so many of them are saying, I agree, I agree.
00:47:40.900
And then there'll always be usually one from the left and one from the right who was like,
00:47:44.600
I just can't, if the other side wants to blah, blah, and then talking point, talking
00:47:48.660
And I feel for them and I feel sad for them and I don't yell at them and I always try to
00:47:52.320
write them back and go, Hey, no, this is, we need this.
00:48:00.160
Let me ask you a question because I hear this all the time too.
00:48:12.160
How do you, um, Martin Luther King did not compromise with what he felt was evil.
00:48:21.400
So if you actually feel like, uh, I don't know, teaching my kids about sex changes and
00:48:28.400
giving them hormone drugs and cutting me out of all that.
00:48:33.300
And if that's what you want to do, how do I compromise with you?
00:48:37.620
So it's, I never thought I would say this on any show and I'm not a scholar and I'm so
00:48:43.440
new to it and I wouldn't, but I think about, you know, God, I think about Jesus and I, I,
00:48:49.400
I try to, the first thing I always do is I try to, I try to feel compassion for everyone.
00:48:59.180
And so again, the idea of, you know, it's funny.
00:49:07.280
I get the most mad at people who, I don't get mad at the, the kid who got the sex change
00:49:19.860
I start to get, um, but the, the, the, the, the liberals who just kind of cheer it on because
00:49:25.220
they just go, well, this is the thing we're supposed to be cheering on this month.
00:49:31.280
And, and let me play the other side, conservatives that will not look at a person's, um, I don't
00:49:43.580
know, suffering is suffering and will not recognize that you don't have to have an answer for it.
00:49:52.060
You know, and you, all you have to do is recognize that that person for whatever reason is suffering
00:50:02.760
And, and what, what I try to do is, cause I've never thought about is I try to encourage honesty
00:50:11.800
So if we can do that, right, you don't, so with the trans issue, you don't have to be
00:50:19.620
either on one side, which says give kids sex changes, or then the other side is hate all
00:50:28.880
There's the middle ground where I'm in, which is just like gay people.
00:50:37.120
Like I'm, I'm, I'm not, I'm a straight cis dude, right?
00:50:43.020
Um, but I can also say, Hey, I disagree with the sex changes for kids.
00:50:48.900
And I think it's important for liberals who do disagree.
00:50:53.520
And I will get in trouble from the left for saying that, but then I could also get in trouble
00:50:57.280
from the right where it's like, what I want to say to the conservatives listening is if you
00:51:04.580
see a trans person walking down the street, that, that trans person could just be a person
00:51:12.460
And that just because they're trans doesn't mean they're even in favor of sex changes for
00:51:20.980
They're just trying to survive and, and are probably scared.
00:51:24.400
Like you remember after nine 11, how so many Muslims were just terrified and there were hate
00:51:29.920
crimes and, you know, and even I have Muslim friends who, when the anniversary comes, they
00:51:33.900
don't get to mourn, man, because they're just on edge.
00:51:38.920
And so I can imagine that right now, since the trans conversation, you know, it's not just
00:51:45.600
It's literally these people want to groom our kids that trans people who don't are probably
00:51:52.540
And just like liberals think that anyone who owns a gun doesn't care about school shootings
00:52:01.860
and they're, yo, they'll care more about, I've said stuff like this.
00:52:04.840
You care more about your toys to prove what a man you are than kids getting killed.
00:52:08.660
It's like, well, no, a lot of people own guns to actually protect people like us.
00:52:13.280
And a lot of trans people don't want to groom your kids.
00:52:16.560
And just like Republicans hate it when liberals, and I hate this too, say all conservatives
00:52:22.900
Well, if we don't like that, then we also shouldn't say that all LGBT people are groomers.
00:52:28.520
And then where it's our responsibility is when there are racists on the right, you guys call
00:52:34.800
When there are creepy people on the left, we call them out.
00:52:38.800
I mean, how cool would it be if our own sides could weed out?
00:52:53.280
I mean, you know, you know, the amount of cops that I've talked to because what's cool about
00:52:57.120
doing jujitsu is like, I have met a lot more military people, cops than I ever would.
00:53:01.380
And, you know, they were horrified at what happened to George Floyd.
00:53:05.180
They were horrified at what had the response to you.
00:53:07.700
I believe George Floyd that first day when that came out.
00:53:12.840
That was one of the most uniting days in American history.
00:53:22.040
And then 12 hours, 18 hours into it, it starts to spin.
00:53:26.460
And then you have sides going, well, no, wait a minute.
00:53:33.580
And then it was politicized and everything fell apart.
00:53:36.380
And again, just like I was talking about with 9-11, the fact that we don't even get to mourn,
00:53:41.720
that suddenly like we're not even thinking about that guy's family.
00:53:46.960
Or no, it's more like we got to check what side are my people on?
00:53:50.820
I guess I got to come up with my talking points for that side.
00:53:53.160
And it's just, you know, it just goes on and on.
00:53:55.740
And instead of stepping out and being willing to, and again, if you lead with compassion, that's it.
00:54:06.160
If you're one of the millions of Americans who suffer every day from pain, I want you to listen up.
00:54:10.260
There is hope, and it comes in the form of relief factor.
00:54:15.680
I've met people who were on the worst kind of pain drugs that you can imagine.
00:54:24.940
And they couldn't go without anything because they had so much pain.
00:54:31.120
This was developed by doctors to hit inflammation from four different directions.
00:54:36.200
And that is the cause of most of our pain and quite honestly, most of our problems.
00:54:40.840
I want you to go to relieffactor.com right now.
00:54:47.760
If it's not working for you within three weeks, probably not going to work for you.
00:54:50.720
70% of the people who try it go on to order more.
00:55:00.380
I just am not in the position yet to where I could be living under a bridge.
00:55:10.340
And, but we're in the same, we're in the same predicament.
00:55:30.280
I, I, I, they like me, at least I think one of the reasons they like me is I say what I mean.
00:55:38.880
And I mean, what I say, even if I disagree with you, you know what I mean?
00:55:47.280
Um, but to do that, it means I had a guy who wrote a book called the pendulum and, uh, and, uh, it's about how authoritarianism and the me and we and how it swings back and forth.
00:56:07.280
And I said, well, I was calling you for some hope and insight.
00:56:13.800
Cause you're out of step in these, in these, we swings.
00:56:18.380
That's when people who believe in the individual and believe in stop with the group.
00:56:33.860
I, you know, I, I think about that sometimes where I was like, well, people are going to, if I survive this, I know I'm on the right side right now because I'm not on the side.
00:56:51.920
A lot of people are getting disgusted, I think, by tribalism, but they're too scared to speak up.
00:57:04.220
People will whisper to me that they're a moderate.
00:57:09.980
They're like, Hey, and they'll like, look around and they're like, I think both sides are full of it.
00:57:13.480
And I'm like, buddy, we shouldn't have to whisper that.
00:57:17.880
But then the extremists on both sides are just screaming us down.
00:57:23.020
Shouldn't that tell you everything that you need to know when you feel you have to whisper it?
00:57:29.640
You know, and both sides are calling the other fascists.
00:57:38.980
And if you're whispering, that should tell you everything you need to know.
00:57:45.300
I'm part of building that authoritarian regime.
00:57:51.700
Well, and you know, I mean, I even think about that when I think about how to get my career on track.
00:57:58.860
And that's definitely where I feel the most like, okay, I'm doing something.
00:58:05.680
But, you know, even with like my podcast and stuff, I go, okay, well, if I truly think that this is the way a ton of people think, then obviously make a podcast about it.
00:58:15.080
But I've seen people, friends of mine, who, by the way, are much more successful than me.
00:58:20.300
Like, you end up, if I make a centrist podcast, now I'm still digging for articles to attack both sides.
00:58:31.000
I'm doing the centrist version of the same thing.
00:58:33.920
And so, so then you go, well, I guess I could just do a show about just like being a good person.
00:58:42.980
And, you know, a friend of mine said to me, he goes, why don't you just make comedy your tribe or comedy your language or comedy your political, you know, whatever.
00:58:53.500
And if everything's filtered through the lens of laughter, then it's, yeah, sometimes I'll make fun of the left, sometimes I'll make fun of the right.
00:58:59.720
But most of the time I'm trying to bring people together through that.
00:59:08.800
I mean, I also love Stuart Lee, who just got in trouble for criticizing him just as a comedian.
00:59:15.200
I mean, because he's, I heard him, I heard, did you watch his last?
00:59:23.480
But he says, he's talking about cancel culture.
00:59:26.400
And he said, you know, they're going back in time and finding things you said 10 years ago.
00:59:29.620
He said, one thing you're never going to find is, you know, a tweet from somebody who said, you know, no, I don't think that men can have babies.
00:59:44.120
And while you could look at all of this as divisive, there are certain things that are true that we all know are true.
00:59:58.820
And even Chappelle, you know, being known as like the number one transphobe, it's like his special.
01:00:06.240
When he told that beautiful story of his trans friend and it's like who died and people didn't even give that a chance because they just made their decision.
01:00:18.160
And when I was coming up, this is at the height of Chappelle's popularity.
01:00:21.320
He would come by the club I was working at every night in front of 30 people.
01:00:28.500
He was, you know, criticizing the war in Iraq and Bush and all this stuff.
01:00:34.900
And now I remember when his last special came out being like, is Ben Shapiro the only guy saying something positive about Dave Chappelle?
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But, you know, Chappelle is just he's going through the lens of comedy where he's like, all right, you guys are going to come after me.
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And, you know, that people forget that that's what comics are supposed to do.
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If you look at my comedy trajectory, man, it's like the worst model of good business, man.
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Criticize George Bush about the war in Iraq when everyone was very like pro war in Iraq.
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Then get on Conan, not invited back to Conan because I do a rant about drone strikes because if I'm anti-war under Bush, I got to be anti-war under Obama, even though I think that guy's cooler.
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It's the guess, the only guess, it's me and Kobe Bryant.
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And I do I do a rant, a anti-drone rant under Obama.
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Audience liked it, but got in a little bit of trouble.
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And then under Trump, when suddenly, oh, you can finally make political jokes.
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And I talked about relationships for the first time in my career.
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The political standup I'm doing in my act now is about the kind of both side stuff.
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That's why I get mad when people say, you know, people say a lot of untrue things about me.
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But when people say I did anything for profit, I was like, no, I did some stuff because I was an idiot.
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But if I had the I'm a smart guy when I put my mind to things, if I wanted to sell out, I could have sold out.
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But even after the whole feminism thing, if I wrote a book called From Feminist to Freedom Fighter, and it was like a picture of me with like a red pill and an American flag, I'd be a billionaire.
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I want to be nuanced, which is not as catchy of a title.
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So, and yeah, man, it's harder and it's a bummer.
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Are you trying to be nuanced or are you nuanced?
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Because that's a, because that is a huge, you know what I'm asking, right?
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There's a huge difference if I'm, if I'm trying to do something as opposed to that's who I am.
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Well, and by becoming more nuanced, I'm, I'm remembering times when I was forcing it.
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And a lot of that was when I was on the left where I would cover some story.
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And then afterwards I'd like ask someone, I'm like, Hey, are you sure?
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You know, um, this like seems a little, and they're like, ah, we got to, you know, I mean,
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I remember, I don't think I told this story last time, but I remember one time this kid
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wrote in, not kid, this man, he was like a father and he was really overweight.
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And he said, his doctor said, if he doesn't lose, you know, all this weight, he's going
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I, you know, I love my kids so much, blah, blah, blah.
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So I emailed him back and I sent him a bunch of recipes.
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Cause like I was, I've struggled with eating stuff, like binge eating stuff.
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Cause that's a girl thing, but like I've struggled with that.
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And, uh, I found him a jujitsu gym, uh, in Baltimore.
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And so he writes me back like six months, eight months later.
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And he goes, dude, you're not gonna believe this.
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My doctor said like, he's never seen such a quick recovery.
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Um, I'm entering my first white belt, uh, like jujitsu tournament.
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Cause at the time I'm just like miserable and super depressed.
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And I read it on the air feeling really good about myself.
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And the next day the show got like eight or 10 emails from people that said by reading
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his email, we were fat shaming them, which is insane.
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Like I didn't say if you're overweight, you're bad.
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Or I just, we read a Victoria story about someone who chose to get healthier.
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And that was the first time where I was like, am I a conservative?
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It was the first time that I saw that sort of like victim mentality hurt someone else
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where I'm like, you would rather this dude die.
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So have you ever thought that, um, you are a liberal, just not this liberal?
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And so many people who have been in your position, um, kind of went along with it for a while.
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And then you're like, wait a minute, but that's not a liberal position.
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And I mean, I think that if everybody, if you just look at very broad generalizations,
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if everyone listening to this could take the compassion and, and please, I'm not saying
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that either side doesn't have the other things, but the compassion that supposedly the liberals
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have the discipline that supposedly the conservatives have, right?
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If we just took these things that the other side is known for and then applied all of them.
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I mean, I remember, I used to think that whenever I'd hear someone talk about victimization
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or pull yourself up by your bootstraps, I would just be like, ugh, like that's, you know,
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that's so privileged or that's so this until I was suicidal.
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And I was like, I got to pull myself up by my bootstraps.
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Now with that said, I will say, I will give my little progressive, uh, disclaimer.
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Well, what I was going to say is a lot of times it was, it was politicians on either
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side who were, who were born into privilege, coasted through life, who were saying that
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to like, you know, the single mom of five, like pull yourself up by your bootstraps.
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It's like, all right, well you stole the boots.
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Here's what, here's what people, um, miss, um, when they think about a conservative is
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pull yourself up by the bootstraps means be personally responsible for the things that
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I would say that to Citibank and Bear Stearns and AIG and all these people who made all
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their own bed and then we fricking paid for it.
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Because if we could just listen to each other, I know, because we've, we've made it about
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things that we all know are no freedom of speech.
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I mean, what makes you different than the people who locked Galileo up?
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And the thing with canceling too is again, if you care about the issues that you say you
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care about, you need, you need a path for redemption.
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Don't you want people to learn instead of just now no one wants to talk about anything
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You know how many women have told me like, man, I miss guys being like, guys, everyone's
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And you know, for me, again, something I cared about when I was like, I guess I'm a liberal
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And now liberals, it's like, guys, if we're pro prison reform, if we're,
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we're pro using prison to rehabilitate instead of punish, you're the same person who wants
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a comedian to never work again because of a tweet or you want Chris Pratt to get fired
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from Guardians of the Galaxy because he believes in God.
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Um, it's so against what I thought liberalism was.
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So I think that I think what's happening in the country and nobody's really talking about
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it is, uh, you know, when September 11th happened, we all kind of woke up and then we all kind
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of got into a pocket and that was our first real bad good.
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Uh, and since that time, a lot of my friends have woken up and went, you know, this whole
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nation building thing, let's go to war and we're on the righteous side.
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And we, we woke up from that and, and the, the system is still kind of the Republican system
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But the conservatives that I know are, are really repelled by that.
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And we've learned so many things along the way that we're like, okay, I'm not that.
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And the same thing is happening with liberals is you believe in the bill of rights and now
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they're all being violated and the system is saying, no, no, no, you will go to war when
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we say you go to war and you will stifle speech when we say it.
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And the mass amount of people are just like, I, but that doesn't make sense.
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And by the way, it's, you know, the extremes on both sides, but I can speak for the left.
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You know, I mean, you know how many new conservatives I saw who weren't conservatives who went straight,
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like suddenly became like Trump dudes because liberals were the ones shutting down small
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businesses or jujitsu gyms during COVID or because of the, the sex change stuff with kids
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or because of stuff that like, yeah, we didn't know we're going to be issues under George
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And they're just like, or the free speech thing.
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The free speech thing is huge for people in my community where it's all these comedians
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I know who, when you talk to them, I mean, dude, you still talk to Rogan and you're like,
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And he is considered like an alt-right demigod.
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Uh, that's that, that again is the failure on the right where a, we're so desperate for
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But then the other thing is, is that's the refusal of the right to say, no, that they
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They're just saying, I, I'm not you guys, but I've always defend, I've always thought
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And you know, similar, but not is when I will go on this show when I, I don't even know if
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I had the guts to post the picture me and you took together when we took a picture together,
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I think I didn't realize how tall you were or how short I was when I was like, but we'll
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do it again and I will make a post, but I will get, if I go on this show, if I go on
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Tim Pool's show, if I go on Rogan's show, if I go on whoever, I will get people who unsubscribe
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from my Patreon and I'm, I'm, you know, more confident than I've ever been.
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But I, if I lose one listener, I actually know who that listener, like, I'm like, I, I need
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Um, and, uh, and, and, and, and, and I'll write, I'll write back to them sometimes where
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they, you know, they're like, if you're on that show, you're supporting whatever.
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And I have to go, you know, one, I mean, I stand by everything me and you have said during
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this conversation that if anyone said anything, I would be like, I challenge you to listen
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But also this is where I go, if you're not blindly just doing this because you, you think
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If you truly are liberal, wouldn't you want me to someone like me to talk in front of millions
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of people who may disagree with me about compassion or about, Hey, not all liberals are
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psychopaths or about, you know, all this stuff when conservatives want you to go on MSN
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NBC and say what you said about Bear Stearns, right?
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Wouldn't that actually, again, if you care about the issues, isn't that actually really
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good for not just humanity, but like, if you're being selfish and if you are being tribal, isn't
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Um, and I think people are just so brainwashed where it's like, no, there is no talking to
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There is no, and it's like, well, then we're screwed.
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Well, I have great hope that we're not this, you are, you've, you're great.
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I have found once you stop worrying about it, that's when it happens when you stop.
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Um, yeah, I mean, that's really, that's what these last couple of weeks have been.
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Um, and I don't know what it is because I don't have a gig lined up.
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I got a couple of standup dates here at jamiehilston.com slash tour.
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You, you, you have been offered jobs, um, recently that you won't, you won't do cause
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you're afraid you'll do more damage or be part of damage.
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Like I'll get these offers sometimes and they sound good, but anything where one, I don't
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And you don't want to be the, Hey, he used to be a liberal.
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Like, uh, like I want to be able to have conversations like this.
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Like these are the conversations that I want to have.
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I mean, if I had a dream podcast, it wouldn't even be labeled something political politics
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is always going to come up because I'm me and I care about people and you know, politics
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I think even if I did a strictly mental health podcast, politics would come up, but it would
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come up like this and it would come up in a, in, we're trying to find a middle ground.
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We're not trying to yell at each other or, you know, be the token liberal where I just
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go on and everything, you know, poor Sarah says, I just shouted her like the opposite where
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I'm like, I'm just a token liberal guy and I show up on the networks.
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Cause so you guys can fill your like, you know, hipster liberal quota or whatever.
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Um, be like, we got something from Austin and I'm like, hi everybody.
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Um, I used to have a vegan tattoo and I'm not even vegan.
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Um, and, uh, and so I didn't want to do any of that, but on both the left and the right,
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there is just dude, so many of these places, it's just divide, divide, divide, divide,
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And I would rather, I would rather go on the road and do standup, you know, where, I mean,
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look, man, it's, it's, it's, again, if I'm being super candid, it, it's hard for me to get gigs.
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Um, whether it's because I align with some conservatives now, whether it's because, you know, me having
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an affair was 10 years ago or eight years ago was, uh, called sexual misconduct, um, online,
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whether it's because I don't know how to make my Wikipedia look better, uh, I've like literally
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had to have conversations with like girlfriends, parents about it.
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Um, and there are people who say more hateful things than me.
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And this is where I can't let myself get bitter.
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Um, but they had a really big following and so clubs don't care, but I didn't have a following
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because I alienated people because I was such a hardcore lefty.
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And then when I had the affair and people were like, ha ha ha, it was sort of, well, one
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side disowned me and the other side like laughed at me.
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And so there wasn't, I wasn't famous enough to be able to get in trouble properly, you know, um,
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But man, if I could just do standup every night and just, it felt so good to do standup in Houston
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and Nashville and Chattanooga and be in front of, and dude, most of the people coming up to me after
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And I still have some liberalist jokes in there and, and they were just like, man, we just
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And you forget that that's a political statement, just doing comedy, you know, especially like
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I'm saying things that I'm not supposed to say on the left, but I'm also saying some views
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That's what you're, I know, that's what a comedian is supposed to do.
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And Carlin getting arrested with Lenny Bruce and, you know, Bill Hicks, all these guys that
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we looked up to, I mean, Richard Pryor literally talked about being abusive.
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Um, and it was just so real and so honest and so raw.
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I think that, you know, I never say good things about me.
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Um, but I also think, I think there is a place on a show for me.
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I think that someone talking about issues like this, um, is important.
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I think someone who can laugh with a liberal and conservative is important.
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That's not going to either try to push me to be something I'm not, or like I said, even
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that moderate world where it's like, all right, we're still digging for people to trash.
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Like that's kind of what everyone does every day.
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And to be honest, I'm the happiest when I don't read the news that day.
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I'm the happiest when I go for walks and I don't know what happened this week in the
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news, but me and you still had a good show, but I don't know what happened, but I can
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I didn't know what it, I didn't know what it, I was on vacation for 10 days, right?
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I didn't know it until about six hours ago and I was less happy, much less happy.
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