The Glenn Beck Program - October 08, 2022


Ep 157 ｜ How the Elites Hypnotized America into COVID Compliance ｜ Mattias Desmet ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast


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Matthias Desmene is a Belgian clinical psychologist with a background in statistics and a love for statistics. He s also the author of The Psychology of Totalitarianism, a book that explains why totalitarianism is on the rise.

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00:00:00.000 Totalitarianism is not a thing of the past. It is alive and well. Individual responsibility is dying and our love for our fellow man is dying. Herd mentality is helping to kill it.
00:00:15.940 If you look at things like Antifa as individuals, they're total cowards. But when they don masks and march together, they see themselves as heroes. Group bonding literally boost oxytocin levels higher than the boost caused by alcohol or even cocaine.
00:00:33.640 Today's guest is fascinating, and I urge you to read his book. He is a Belgian clinical psychologist with a background in statistics, the kind of Belgian Gen X Jordan Peterson, if you will.
00:00:48.680 I discovered the book recently. It's the psychology of totalitarianism. It is eye opening. You ever wondered how what was happening in Germany happened? How you convince all those people of madness? It's happening again.
00:01:06.440 Totalitarianism is on the rise, and that is different than authoritarianism. He explains it with a theory that he calls mass formation. The idea came to him during the COVID-19 lockdowns.
00:01:19.020 He watched governments and news outlets pushing bad information in order to justify a dystopian new world, and he watched as people believed it.
00:01:28.880 Then in December 2021, a guy named Dr. Robert Malone went on Joe Rogan's podcast and mentioned a theory called, you guessed it, mass formation.
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00:01:52.660 The theory of mass formation. Oh, it's just a conspiracy theory.
00:01:57.800 I want you to listen and see if this sounds like logic or a conspiracy theory.
00:02:06.160 It's really kind of funny. The witch hunt didn't eradicate the theory of mass formation.
00:02:14.040 Instead, the hysteria shown by the media and big tech actually proves that mass formation is a very real threat.
00:02:26.000 You will understand your world and what you have to do probably better than anything I have heard yet.
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00:06:12.500 Matthias, how are you, sir?
00:06:14.660 Hi.
00:06:15.440 I have been waiting for this interview for weeks.
00:06:18.600 I think you have a theory that is one of the most important things to be discussed in the world today.
00:06:27.560 Because I think it's happening all over the world, or at least in the West.
00:06:31.200 Can you explain quickly what that theory is?
00:06:38.600 I will try to.
00:06:39.720 I explain it in detail in my book, The Psychology of Totalitarianism.
00:06:42.600 But, well, you know, when the corona crisis started, so I'm a clinical psychologist, a professor in clinical psychology, but I also have a master in statistics.
00:06:54.560 And when the corona crisis started, I started to study the statistics a little bit and the mathematical models that were used.
00:06:59.980 And then I noticed immediately that the models seemed to dramatically overrate the dangerlessness of the virus and that they also didn't take into account the extreme amounts of collateral damage that emerged as a consequence of the measures.
00:07:18.380 And, like, after a few months, by the end of May 2020, I had the impression that it was proven beyond doubt that the initial models and statistics overrated dramatically the dangerlessness of the virus.
00:07:32.660 So, at that moment, the mathematical models of Imperial College, for instance, had predicted that by the end of May 2020, about 80,000 people would die in a small country such as Sweden if the country didn't go into lockdown.
00:07:46.260 And the country didn't go into lockdown and only 6,000 people died in Sweden.
00:07:50.980 So, and that was the moment when I started to think about something else.
00:07:54.820 How is it possible that an entire population fails to see that the narrative they believe in is utterly absurd and blatantly wrong?
00:08:06.900 And it reminded me of the theories on mass formation.
00:08:10.320 The mass formation is a specific kind of group formation, which has very specific effects at the level of individual mental functioning.
00:08:19.740 For instance, it tends to make individuals completely blind for everything that goes against what the group believe in, even if what the group believes in is radically absurd and blatantly wrong.
00:08:29.760 Right.
00:08:30.060 And, yes, and second, also characteristic.
00:08:34.080 Hang on just a second.
00:08:34.900 Is this, because one of my favorite books is The Extraordinary Popular Delusions, you know, The Madness of Crowds.
00:08:44.140 I think it was written in, I don't even know, long, long, long, long time ago.
00:08:48.440 And is this the same thing?
00:08:52.960 Yes, it's related to this.
00:08:54.740 Yes, that book also is all about mass formation, yes.
00:08:59.540 Yes, it is.
00:09:00.820 So, it has several, mass formation has several specific effects at the level of individual mental functioning.
00:09:06.260 It, for instance, also makes people willing to radically self-sacrifice.
00:09:09.820 Very strange.
00:09:10.600 It is as if people lose every awareness of their individual personal interests.
00:09:16.740 And, thirdly, also important is that mass formation makes individuals radically intolerant for dissonant voices, for people who do not go along with the masses, to the extent that, after a while, people in mass formation start to believe that it is their ethical duty to stigmatize, exclude, and, in the end, eliminate everyone who doesn't go along with the masses.
00:09:36.940 This is what we saw before, you know, we've seen this in the 1930s and 40s in Germany, and I've always wondered, how do you get really brilliant people to go down this road where they are exterminating people and they think that it's the right thing? 0.76
00:09:58.480 Something that it would not have been natural or normal to think just 10 years prior to that.
00:10:06.900 How did you do that?
00:10:08.140 And I'm looking at today's society and I'm thinking, this is how you do it.
00:10:13.600 And I don't know if, you know, in reading your book, it's not a conspiracy theory.
00:10:21.620 It's not being pushed, but there are players that are, that add to this, right?
00:10:30.480 Yeah, of course.
00:10:31.200 You have to distinguish between, on the one hand, the elite and the masses themselves.
00:10:36.680 You know, the phenomenon of mass formation has existed as long as mankind exists.
00:10:42.840 But for one reason or another, it became increasingly strong throughout the last few centuries.
00:10:47.160 And that has everything to do with the emergence of the so-called mechanist view on man in the world.
00:10:53.800 The what?
00:10:54.640 View on man.
00:10:55.860 The mechanist view on man in the world.
00:10:57.580 So, the belief that the entire universe is a kind of a material system which can be perfectly rationally understood, controlled, and manipulated.
00:11:06.240 This view on man in the world, on the one hand, created a new elite.
00:11:10.520 A new elite, which started, which tried to understand psychological processes that are going on in society, in which tries to control and manipulate these processes through indoctrination and propaganda.
00:11:23.940 So, that's one important evolution throughout the last few centuries.
00:11:27.600 The elite changed.
00:11:29.060 It's no longer an elite that uses power in an overt way.
00:11:33.340 It's an elite that uses it in a hidden way through indoctrination and propaganda.
00:11:36.420 And the second extremely important thing is that this mechanist view on man in the world, through industrialization, mechanization, and technology use, disconnected people from their natural and social environment, put them in a lonely state, confronted them with experiences of lack of meaning making, and in the end, confronted them with so-called free-floating anxiety, frustration, and aggression.
00:12:02.600 So, throughout the last few hundred centuries, this increased more and more and more.
00:12:06.620 And when these conditions are met, when people feel lonely, disconnected, struggle with lack of meaning making, and at free-floating anxiety, frustration, and aggression, that means a kind of anxiety, frustration, and aggression, which they cannot connect to a mental representation.
00:12:21.480 So, anxiety, frustration, and aggression, in which people don't know what they feel anxious, frustrated, and aggressive for.
00:12:26.740 Under these conditions, something very specific might happen.
00:12:32.600 When, under these conditions, a narrative is distributed through the mass media, indicating an object of anxiety, and a strategy to deal with that object of anxiety, all this free-floating anxiety might connect to the object of anxiety.
00:12:45.720 And there might be a huge willingness in the population to participate in the strategy, to deal with the object of anxiety, simply because it gives people the feeling that they are in control of their anxiety.
00:12:58.220 When you're anxious, and you don't know what you feel anxious for, you feel completely out of control.
00:13:03.040 But if you start to believe that your anxiety is caused by something, no matter whether it is true or not, and that there is a strategy to deal with that something, then you have an experience of control.
00:13:13.420 You feel in control again.
00:13:14.500 And also, you have an object to direct all your frustration and aggression on.
00:13:19.080 So, that's the first psychological advantage, the first step of mass formation, where the first psychological advantage of mass formation.
00:13:25.520 And in a second step, something even more important happens.
00:13:30.740 Because so many people participate in a strategy, for instance, the lockdowns, but it could also be the concentration camps or the crusades or the witches.
00:13:39.100 Because so many people participate in the strategy to deal with the object of anxiety.
00:13:44.200 They have the feeling to fight a collective heroic battle with the object of anxiety.
00:13:49.180 And they feel connected again.
00:13:51.520 The loneliness disappears.
00:13:52.880 And they have a feeling of a new sense-making again.
00:13:56.440 You could say, of course, what's the problem?
00:13:59.420 People felt lonely.
00:14:00.740 And now, they feel connected again.
00:14:02.880 They were confronted by the lack of meaning-making.
00:14:05.280 And now, they have the feeling that their life makes sense again.
00:14:09.620 And they felt out of control about their anxiety.
00:14:13.520 And now, they feel in control again.
00:14:14.980 So, what's the problem?
00:14:15.640 Well, there is a problem.
00:14:16.300 First, there always has to be a scapegoat at whom all this frustration and aggression can be directed.
00:14:20.820 And also, even more important.
00:14:22.880 This new social bond, this new connectedness, is not a social bond between individuals.
00:14:28.640 It's always a social bond between the individual, between each individual separately and the collective.
00:14:35.580 Meaning that in a mass, the famous citizenship, the famous solidarity that is so typical for mass formation, is never a solidarity between individuals.
00:14:44.240 It's always a solidarity between the individual and the collective.
00:14:48.000 Meaning that, and it is even the case, that the longer the mass formation exists, lasts.
00:14:53.720 The more all solidarity and love is sucked away from the bonds between the individuals and injected in the bond between the individual and the collective.
00:15:02.220 And that makes that, in the end, solidarity with the collective is much bigger than a solidarity with other individuals, leading to the famous paranoid state in totalitarian systems.
00:15:13.040 Where every individual is willing to snitch on every other individual, to report every other individual to the state, if they have the feeling that this other individual doesn't show enough solidarity to the collective.
00:15:27.280 In the end, this leads, typically, I've been talking with this woman, Shoray Fishtali, who lived in Iran during the revolution there, which was a huge scale process of mass formation.
00:15:37.560 And she told me how she has seen how a mother reported her son to the state.
00:15:42.540 And how this mother hung the noose around his neck when he was on the scaffold.
00:15:46.520 And when he was hung, she claimed to be a heroine for doing what she did.
00:15:49.960 That is a dramatic end stage of mass formation.
00:15:54.220 That's what we have to avoid, that it goes to this end stage.
00:15:57.820 We are seeing things, however, being pushed in that direction.
00:16:04.540 We have leadership here in the United States that is pushing and saying, if you voted this way, you are the problem.
00:16:13.920 I mean, it is I'm I'm a self-educated guy on World War Two and, you know, the Holocaust. 0.77
00:16:23.940 But it is very much the same kind of words that came from Goebbels and and the party back then.
00:16:32.340 You you identify a group and then you isolate them and you pour everything into that.
00:16:38.960 And it is something we haven't seen here in America for a very long time.
00:16:47.480 Yes, indeed.
00:16:48.400 Well, it's it's a real, you know, there is a lot of massification in society that are the is the pre stage of mass formation.
00:16:57.160 But the real mass formation is rather rare.
00:16:59.100 A large scale mass formation is the first time that you are confronted with a worldwide mass formation, by the way.
00:17:04.520 This is.
00:17:05.020 And the real mass formation is rather rare.
00:17:07.040 Yes.
00:17:07.260 So it's a mass formation is actually is actually a kind of mass hypnosis.
00:17:11.280 It's exactly the same.
00:17:12.480 The mechanism is exactly the same.
00:17:15.700 In hypnosis, all the attention of someone is sucked away from the environment and focused on one small aspect of reality.
00:17:23.000 And consequently, the rest of reality seems to disappear.
00:17:26.000 And this is an extremely strong mechanism.
00:17:28.680 When someone is under hypnosis, you can perfectly perform a surgical operation on that person.
00:17:33.360 You won't notice it.
00:17:34.180 And so that that's just an illustration of the strength of the mechanism of this focusing of attention, which also happens in in in a mass formation.
00:17:49.200 And that's the reason why people are not aware anymore that they lose everything, that they lose their health, their wealth, the future of their children and so on and so on.
00:17:57.000 And as soon as you understand that the mechanism of mass formation is identical to the mechanism of hypnosis.
00:18:04.060 You also understand that mass formation is something that is provoked by the voice, the voice of a leader.
00:18:09.920 And that's why totalitarian leaders, whom system is always based on mass formation in contrast with classical dictatorships, which is not based on mass formation.
00:18:17.920 That's the reason why totalitarian leaders intuitively use their voice, they constantly use indoctrination propaganda rather than terror.
00:18:27.620 They also use terror when the first place they use indoctrination propaganda, because in that way, they keep the population in the state that is necessary to continue the totalitarian state, to continue the totalitarian state.
00:18:41.580 So as soon as you understand that, you also understand that the most important method, weapon we have against mass formation is our own voice, the dissonant voice.
00:18:54.460 We have to continue to speak out.
00:18:56.740 We have to continue to speak out because history, you can understand that in a psychological, technical way.
00:19:02.500 But history has also shown us that it is exactly at the moment the dissonant voice stops to speak out in public space that the totalitarian system goes completely crazy and starts to destroy everyone that doesn't go along with them.
00:19:17.120 This is what Stolznytsin taught us in his last essay to the Russian people.
00:19:22.120 They lose all their power once you simply refuse to buy into the lie.
00:19:28.120 But how do you get there?
00:19:31.140 Because there are so many people that are buying into the lie.
00:19:37.480 Yes, yes.
00:19:41.440 That's the problem.
00:19:42.760 So, you know, first, you have to understand, well, Gustave Le Bon mentioned already in the 19th century, he's a famous psychologist who wrote a lot about masses.
00:19:51.320 And he mentioned already in the 19th century that if a mass emerges in a society, there always is a group that doesn't fall prey to the mass formation.
00:20:02.040 This group typically tries to wake up the other people.
00:20:04.720 Why are they not prey?
00:20:09.140 Why are they not prey to this hypnosis?
00:20:12.060 It's very hard to say.
00:20:13.520 There is always a group that doesn't fall prey to it.
00:20:15.560 And this group is always extremely heterogeneous.
00:20:17.540 It's that has been remarked time and time again.
00:20:20.600 It's probably some people who, for one reason or another, are not very or prefer to stick to what they consider something true and sincere rather than to take the easy way and go along with the group they belong to in their thinking and in their mental functioning.
00:20:38.360 I had a woman who saved a bunch of Jews in the Holocaust.
00:20:43.980 She lived in Poland and she told me once that that the people who did that, they weren't they weren't heroes.
00:20:51.240 They didn't have to be a superhero.
00:20:52.800 They just remembered what was true and what was right.
00:20:56.940 And they just said it and did it.
00:20:59.240 And I didn't understand that really until now.
00:21:02.940 Then it's you don't have to be courageous.
00:21:07.860 You just somehow or another haven't forgotten what you've always known to be true.
00:21:13.580 Yes, indeed.
00:21:15.520 Yeah.
00:21:16.500 You have to sometimes it takes some courage to speak out.
00:21:19.560 We all have to continue to do so because it's dramatic when we stop to do so.
00:21:23.700 Like that happened in 1930 in the Soviet Union and around 1935 in Nazi Germany.
00:21:28.480 Then the opposition stopped to speak out and within a few months to one year, the system went crazy and started the destruction campaigns.
00:21:36.960 So it's just because at that moment, the hypnotic state or the mass formation becomes complete.
00:21:42.440 And everyone who doesn't go along with it is considered to be someone who should be destroyed.
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00:24:47.880 You know, I've, I've read your book and I just, I just think it's brilliant.
00:24:52.480 Um, but I, I'm not sure, you know, I know everybody's pegging you as, uh, uh, I think a puppet of the right, which I've read your book.
00:25:02.420 I don't know if you're right or left.
00:25:05.000 Um, I don't know if I agree with everything, uh, that you write, but, uh, it should be decided.
00:25:11.740 Discussed.
00:25:12.760 I, I, I take it that you are warning against, uh, authoritarianism, um, because that is the final stage of this.
00:25:23.100 History shows that to be true. 0.99
00:25:25.140 What is the, first of all, what is the difference between totalitarianism and authoritarianism?
00:25:31.420 Well, totalitarianism, I think authoritarianism, of course, it depends from author to author.
00:25:37.320 Some people define it in this way, other people in another way.
00:25:39.600 But for me, it is clear that authoritarianism is something that is related to, uh, classical dictatorships.
00:25:45.920 It just means someone who in one way or another succeeds in imposing his will, his social contract, you need a letter to society.
00:25:53.340 But totalitarianism is something completely different.
00:25:56.360 Totalitarianism is a specific state system which is based on mass formation and mass formation.
00:26:01.180 Because a totalitarian state starts always with the emergence of a mass.
00:26:05.400 A mass which can be artificially created by certain leaders who use indoctrination and propaganda to use the mass formation.
00:26:12.280 Or a mass which can, in the first, initially, uh, emerge in a spontaneous way.
00:26:16.960 And only after a while, uh, be influenced by indoctrination and propaganda.
00:26:22.320 So, like in the Soviet Union, the mass formation was artificially created from the beginning.
00:26:27.340 In Nazi Germany, the mass formation first emerged more or less spontaneously.
00:26:31.500 And then certain leaders of the masses started to use indoctrination and propaganda to manipulate the masses and to use them to seize power of society.
00:26:39.620 And that is exactly what the core and essence of totalitarianism is.
00:26:46.340 Okay.
00:26:46.720 So, do you believe that that is the road we are on now?
00:26:51.000 Because I, I, I, I don't think that this has been, um, orchestrated as a grand plan from the very beginning.
00:27:00.200 Um, you know, I, I, I got into trouble that people called me a conspiracy theorist, which they're now calling you.
00:27:06.240 Conspiracy theorist, um, because I said, you know, back in, uh, 2005, that you're going to have socialists, um, uh, anarchists and Islamists working together to overthrow the West.
00:27:22.000 And I was very careful to say, not that they're calling each other or having star chamber meetings, but there comes a time when everyone sees, oh my gosh, it's going this way.
00:27:34.360 And I see what they're doing and that helps my cause.
00:27:37.740 So I'm doing that too.
00:27:39.740 And that's not a conspiracy theory.
00:27:43.040 A conspiracy is a, a star chamber.
00:27:47.660 Correct.
00:27:48.400 And that's not this.
00:27:50.400 You know, I think it's an emergent phenomenon.
00:27:53.060 There are many factors that, uh, reinforce each other that, that, that, that, that lead to us to the emergence of a certain phenomenon.
00:28:01.260 Of course, there is always a certain conspiracy dimension, I think, and it can be quite important.
00:28:06.060 And there is, and there is always a set of institutions who push their ideologies.
00:28:10.640 That's what institutions do.
00:28:11.960 Right.
00:28:12.120 We have indeed these people who have this idea that we need a great reset.
00:28:16.860 We have these people who believe that society should be changed.
00:28:19.440 And that's, I think, very, very real.
00:28:21.860 We have this transhumanist ideal, uh, certain institutions who believe that the entire society should be reshaped according to a transhumanist ideal.
00:28:30.320 That's also very typical for totalitarianism.
00:28:32.780 It always tries to create a completely new society, an artificial society, which will be a paradise for the human being.
00:28:39.520 Once, uh, it is full-fledged, but which in the end always turns out to be a hell.
00:28:45.240 So, there is an elite, an elite who pushes a certain ideology, but it would be a fatal mistake to reduce everything to that elite.
00:28:52.800 To believe that, as Solzhenitsyn said, uh, he said, it would be easy to believe that the dividing line between good and evil runs through, between, between human beings.
00:29:03.080 And that there is a small group with pure evil and all the rest that is good.
00:29:06.320 But he said, we all know that the dividing line between good and evil runs through every human being's heart.
00:29:12.840 You can say that the elite is the elite because the population made them the elite.
00:29:18.500 Right.
00:29:18.960 Because the population was sensitive for their discourse.
00:29:22.360 So, let me, and that's.
00:29:23.620 Go ahead, go ahead, finish.
00:29:24.720 I said, that's the, the, the risk of too extreme conspiracy thinking that we start to believe that all evil is situated in the elite and that the only solution is an insurrection or a violent revolution against the elite in order, in order to destroy the elite.
00:29:42.920 And that always leads to exactly the opposite.
00:29:45.760 So, I've talked to people all over the world and, um, I think the average person feels the same way.
00:29:53.280 And I've looked at this as a good thing, um, because I think all of our leadership, they have, you know, with the banks and the governments and, uh, world economic forum and all of them, they're all pushing for bigger.
00:30:11.700 Statist kind of, uh, uh, of goals, uh, where the elites do take control of everything because they just think they know better.
00:30:20.640 And I'm talking to people around the world and they all say, it's not our, it's not our left or right.
00:30:28.200 That is the problem that we are arguing over here in America.
00:30:31.620 It's not the Republicans and the Democrats.
00:30:34.260 It's the people being separated from the decisions by the elites.
00:30:40.600 And they're not just, it's global.
00:30:44.820 Is that, do you believe that to be true, healthy, detrimental?
00:30:49.380 What is that?
00:30:51.260 Well, um, you know, I think that's something very important to understand about the elite is that the elite is usually hypnotized as well.
00:31:02.460 That's something crucial.
00:31:03.400 I think that, um, the elite is hypnotized, not by the narratives they use, but by their ideology.
00:31:11.480 So they fanatically and blindly believe in their ideology.
00:31:15.520 That's very strange.
00:31:16.520 They blindly believe that transhumanism is the only solution to the problems we are seeing.
00:31:21.740 That transhumanism will bring the human being in a godlike state and in a kind of paradise.
00:31:26.120 In the end, they believe so.
00:31:27.520 And of course, they believe that the first who will arrive in this godlike state and is a godlike state will be themselves.
00:31:33.860 But, uh, they, they do believe in their own ideology so fanatically that they believe it is justified to cheat and manipulate everyone and everything in order to convince them to go along with their plans.
00:31:45.880 So I think this is something crucial to understand that if you understand that, you also understand that the dissonant voice does not only have an impact on the population, but also on the leaders.
00:31:55.440 And that we have to continue to speak to the leaders or to speak out in public space, because also they are influenced.
00:32:06.500 Um, so like the farmers, um, you know, over in, uh, uh, the Netherlands that are, are protesting or the Brexit people that were protesting.
00:32:21.600 Um, they're not necessarily calling for revolution.
00:32:26.320 They're calling for common sense in many, in many ways.
00:32:32.160 Um, at least the farmers are for sure calling for common sense.
00:32:36.340 Um, and the governments and the media done everything they can to make these people either invisible or into lunatics.
00:32:45.540 Um, absolutely, absolutely.
00:32:49.760 And that's also, strangely enough, what the masses really start to believe of these people who do not agree with them, that they must be lunatics.
00:32:56.840 Masses are so absorbed by this, their own absurd logic, which is very hard to contradict because their, their, their, uh, focus of attention is so much narrowed down to a small aspect of reality that they don't see the things anymore.
00:33:13.640 Or that go against their own absurd logic.
00:33:15.900 So, but they are so convinced that they are the only ones who thinks logically that they believe that the other people who do not go along with them must be completely stupid.
00:33:23.720 Have you, have you thought of first cause?
00:33:26.780 What started this ball rolling this time?
00:33:29.640 I mean, it, was it natural?
00:33:31.860 Was it, is it the media?
00:33:33.620 Is it politics debt?
00:33:35.240 What, what started this ball?
00:33:37.300 And when do you think people knowingly started to jump onto the wagon?
00:33:43.920 If you think anybody did?
00:33:46.340 Well, it's, it's simple.
00:33:47.900 I think it's the, the, the, the global institutions who have these ideological plans, who, who, who for a long time already wanted to replace, uh, democracy by a technocratic system where experts, uh, make the decisions also at the level of private life.
00:34:02.440 Uh, and then there is a, on the other hand, there is a population who starts to become more and more sensitive for the, for propaganda and indoctrination because they feel disconnected, lack of meaning making and so on.
00:34:12.500 Uh, and then, uh, uh, suddenly, uh, these, this propaganda that is distributed or these propaganda, it's just these institutions who push their ideological convictions through the mass media and all kinds of ways, suddenly start to, start to have this enormous effect of a mass formation.
00:34:33.640 And, and, and, and, and then, uh, uh, we are in the beginning.
00:34:37.900 Once that happened, happens, we have the basic mechanism of a totalitarian state.
00:34:42.580 We have this diabolic pact between the elite and the masses.
00:34:46.380 That's what Hannah Arendt said.
00:34:47.880 Totalitarianism, that's extremely interesting.
00:34:50.100 There's always a diabolic pact between the masses and the leaders.
00:34:52.480 That's what I explained in my book.
00:34:53.720 Right.
00:34:54.280 So my book is all about, and once that emerges, you have an extremely destructive system, like a classical dictatorship can control public space and the political.
00:35:03.620 But a totalitarian state can also control private space.
00:35:08.020 Yes.
00:35:08.220 Simply because they have a huge secret police at their disposal.
00:35:12.520 This part of the population.
00:35:14.000 Right.
00:35:14.440 Which is, which fanatically believes, which is in the mass formation and fanatically believes in the state narrative and which is willing to report everyone to the state, even their own family members, if they do not go along.
00:35:26.300 So how far away are we from that?
00:35:30.040 Do you believe?
00:35:30.820 Of people snitching on each other.
00:35:34.260 Well, we are not there yet.
00:35:36.400 And maybe we will never get there yet.
00:35:37.940 But it will get a little bit worse, I think, in the years to come.
00:35:40.460 But we just have to remind that no matter what happens, we have to continue to speak out, to stay true to the principles of humanity.
00:35:50.900 Because, you know, well, that's another story.
00:35:55.220 But the root cause of all these problems is this mechanist, rationalist view on man in the world.
00:35:59.260 A lack of empathy.
00:36:00.040 A lack of empathy, of course.
00:36:02.980 In a rationalist view on man in the world, everything is reduced to rational understanding.
00:36:07.580 And in this way, that's what I explained in the first five chapters of my book.
00:36:11.120 Automatically, when you try to reduce everything around you, the entire mystery of life, to the categories of your own logical, rational thinking, you isolate yourself from the mystery of life.
00:36:23.520 And you do not resonate anymore.
00:36:25.420 You have no empathic connection anymore with the world around you.
00:36:28.560 And that's exactly the problem.
00:36:32.320 When you have no empathic connection anymore with the world around you, you also lose touch with the eternal principles of humanity.
00:36:40.880 And that's the reason why, in the end, there is a cold, rational ideology which seizes control of society in every totalitarianism and which pushes relentlessly a certain logic which is always absurd and, in the end, completely irrational, which pushes that logic relentlessly and which dehumanizes society completely.
00:37:05.380 And the people who do not go along with that system, who refuse to go along, have to do exactly the opposite.
00:37:10.880 They have to stay true to the principles of humanity.
00:37:13.240 In the first place, the ethical duty to articulate the words that seem sincere and honest to you in public space.
00:37:20.500 They have to stay true to these principles of humanity no matter what happens and no matter what they lose.
00:37:27.080 No matter what we lose, we must be sure that we don't lose the only thing that is really important and that is our humanity.
00:37:34.000 So, let me wrap up here with this.
00:37:37.920 That, I believe, is why Gandhi worked, Martin Luther King worked, Jesus worked, because they connected with humanity.
00:37:47.680 However, Bonhoeffer, in his writings, he kept saying, I have to talk to Mr. Gandhi.
00:37:52.840 I'm doing something wrong.
00:37:54.340 No, it was happening at the same time.
00:37:56.200 But the UK had not closed that heart yet, where the Germans had already, the Christians, the Judeo-Christian values had been shut up. 0.98
00:38:08.020 And it was it was a different world.
00:38:12.440 Yes.
00:38:13.000 So, if we have to, if we have to, is it too late?
00:38:19.360 And when you get to the point to where you have to make a decision of sacrificing yourself, you know, for what you believe in or go to jail or whatever it is.
00:38:31.000 Why didn't why didn't that work in Europe in the 1930s?
00:38:37.020 Well, that's a good question, but it seems that in Europe and the Soviet Union, the resistance decided to stop to speak out in public space because they thought that they were dealing with a classical dictatorship.
00:38:53.560 And in a classical dictatorship, it sometimes makes sense to stop to speak out in public space, but not in a totalitarian state.
00:38:59.800 Because a totalitarian state is based on mass formation, and the mass formation will become increasingly, will become stronger and stronger.
00:39:07.100 So, even more dangerous.
00:39:11.460 So, that's the post-telementary principle.
00:39:13.280 And it doesn't mean that this will, that we will not, that we might not lose something.
00:39:19.800 If we continue to speak out, we might lose a lot, but the better you understand the mechanism, the more you see that we have no other option.
00:39:25.300 If you stop to speak out, even if you conform to the totalitarian system, you might be destroyed by it.
00:39:31.060 There is a very good chance a totalitarian state, in the end, always becomes a monster that devours its own children.
00:39:37.240 That's what Hannah Arendt said, and it is like that.
00:39:39.500 The masses, in the end, always devour their own children.
00:39:42.240 And so, the better you understand it, the more you see, even from a purely strategical point of view, that we have no other option.
00:39:50.160 And if you consider it from an ethical point of view, we definitely have no other option.
00:39:53.940 And if we choose to stick to the ethical principles of humanity, then everything will start to make sense.
00:40:02.320 Then we will see that what happens now is a process in which something new is born.
00:40:10.800 Because that's what happens typically in totalitarian states.
00:40:14.400 The people who do not go along with them, for instance, in the concentration camps, as it was described by people as Viktor Frankl and Solzhenitsyn, there was always a small minority.
00:40:23.500 The most prisoners started to behave in a completely beast-like manner.
00:40:26.340 But there was always a small minority who refused to do so, and who started to realize the extreme importance of ethical principles for a human being, and who became more and more loyal to these principles while they were in this pool of darkness.
00:40:43.580 And these people went in a very fast way to a process of mental and spiritual evolution, to the extent that Solzhenitsyn describes certain people.
00:40:52.320 For instance, Ivanovich Grigoryev, I think, I referred to him in the last part of my book, the last chapter of my book, was a sickly person when he entered the gulags.
00:41:01.240 And while most people died in a few months in the gulags, he survived.
00:41:05.260 And Solzhenitsyn said it was because he refused to do anything unethical.
00:41:10.180 If the guards commanded him to do something unethical, he refused to do so, no matter what the punishment was.
00:41:14.900 And if other prisoners stole his food and his clothes, he didn't steal food or clothes back.
00:41:20.460 He preferred to go outside working in temperatures of minus 40 degrees Celsius, clothing only in a bag or something, rather than stealing clothes himself.
00:41:32.500 And he said, Solzhenitsyn said, I've seen how this person became stronger and stronger and stronger, both at the mental and the physical level.
00:41:39.840 And so that's what you have to realize.
00:41:44.780 If we make the right choice, if we decide to go through this with our ethical principles, then we will, in one way or another, receive a certain strength for it in return.
00:42:02.040 A strength which is more important than everything you might lose.
00:42:04.960 So we don't have to focus too much on trying to predict what will happen and what we have to do.
00:42:11.060 We have to focus on one thing, on our ethical principles, and to make sure that we stay true to them throughout this process.
00:42:18.400 That's the most important thing, I believe.
00:42:20.700 I have to tell you, if this makes you a dangerous radical, we are in real trouble.
00:42:29.520 Because I haven't heard anything that a real servant of God would have said.
00:42:36.620 You know what I mean?
00:42:37.360 You're not preaching, you're preaching common sense and common decency to one another.
00:42:42.740 And the machine is trying to devour you right now.
00:42:47.580 And I will keep you in my prayers.
00:42:49.960 And if there's any way we can ever help you, sir, you let us know.
00:42:55.060 I have such respect for people who are taking a courageous stand right now.
00:43:01.340 Because it will cost you your career.
00:43:03.460 It will cost you.
00:43:04.820 The price is very, very high.
00:43:06.640 It's not the ultimate price yet, but if you're right and we don't stop this, it will be in the end.
00:43:16.040 And you will be right.
00:43:17.120 So we know what we have to do.
00:43:20.180 If you want to read an answer to all the criticism in the media directed at me,
00:43:29.740 then you can read my last sub-stack that I posted.
00:43:32.680 Yes, a seven-page sub-stack when I address all the criticism.
00:43:38.620 So if people are interested, they can read it there.
00:43:42.400 May I just say before you log out, sincerely, for my family and for so many millions of Americans that listen to me all the time,
00:43:56.380 sincerely thank you.
00:43:57.860 So it is a godsend.
00:44:06.080 And it's helping people understand what's happening right now.
00:44:12.900 So thank you, sincerely.
00:44:14.540 Thank you.
00:44:15.400 Thank you very much.
00:44:16.760 Thank you very much for your kind words and also for continuing to speak out yourself as well.
00:44:23.120 We will all continue in a quiet way.
00:44:26.240 And in the end, we can be sure that after a dark night, there will be a new morning.
00:44:32.580 I remember 25, 30 years ago reading Immanuel Kant's quote where he said,
00:44:37.720 There are many things I believe that I shall never say, but I shall never say the things that I do not believe.
00:44:42.260 And I remember thinking at that time, I don't even understand that world.
00:44:49.000 I don't even understand that.
00:44:50.160 What is life like?
00:44:51.560 And we're here.
00:44:52.780 We're here.
00:44:54.300 And it's amazing.
00:44:56.960 God bless you.
00:44:57.740 Thank you.
00:44:58.340 Anything we can do to help.
00:44:59.740 God bless.
00:45:00.660 Thank you very much.
00:45:01.480 You bet.
00:45:01.700 Bye-bye.
00:45:02.060 Bye-bye.
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