The Glenn Beck Program - Ep 159 ｜ Hey, GOP： It's Time to Become 'RADICALS' ｜ Rachel Bovard ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

00:00:00.000 What does it mean to be a conservative now?

00:00:01.920 What is the purpose of a conservative?

00:00:05.240 It is to conserve, to rescue those things worth rescuing, to save the things that we love and let go of the things that don't work.

00:00:15.560 Our task is to stand in front of the leftist and institutionalist steamroller and protect what we can and save what we must.

00:00:26.460 Every single day, a conservative will take a beating from the fashionable snobs on the left.

00:00:33.300 They're cozy in their lawlessness.

00:00:35.360 They subject us to a level of harassment and mockery that they couldn't even imagine, let alone withstand.

00:00:41.700 To them, so many people in America are dumb, useless, bigoted, any other number of ridiculous accusations.

00:00:49.580 And it doesn't have to be just it could be somebody on the left that disagrees with them.

00:00:53.840 They're dumb and ridiculous and racist.

00:00:55.960 What they don't realize is that without something that I think is at the center of conservatism, they should be at least, individuals and individual rights, civilization collapses.

00:01:10.560 What then would they do if you won the zero sum game with nobody left to destroy?

00:01:16.720 Today's guest is one of the brave souls that is standing in front of that tank.

00:01:23.040 After she spoke at the National Conservative Conference last fall, Jacobin magazine said, who is this woman and what the hell is going on here? 0.81

00:01:33.360 They went on to say that she uses, quote, the language of war and enmity and victory at all costs and subordinating means to ends. 0.72

00:01:42.040 Wow, she sounds dangerous. 0.98

00:01:45.700 She sounds kind of like the left in some ways, the way you described her.

00:01:49.840 Well, she has plenty of credentials that make her a threat to the left. 1.00

00:01:54.780 And a lot of people will misunderstand her.

00:01:58.000 But she is clear.

00:02:00.080 She has had directorial jobs in the House and the Senate.

00:02:03.800 She's worked with Senator Rand Paul, Pat Toomey, Mike Lee.

00:02:08.000 OK, she certainly currently serves as the senior director of policy at the Conservative Partnership Institute and co-authored the book Conservative Knowing What to Keep with Senator Jim DeMint.

00:02:21.480 She is she is a senior tech columnist also for the Federalist.

00:02:27.140 She has her thumb on the monster known as big tech.

00:02:29.420 We talk about it in today's podcast.

00:02:30.940 She just wrote an incredible article that caught everybody's intention and mine.

00:02:37.380 This is why I wanted to get her on the 1980s called.

00:02:41.040 They want their foreign policy back and Republicans finally to wake up.

00:02:44.160 That's what it's called.

00:02:45.000 It is scathing.

00:02:46.640 It has some backbone, which is exactly what we need right now.

00:02:51.620 Please welcome today's guest, Rachel Bovard.

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00:04:25.240 Hello, Rachel.

00:04:26.760 Hey, how are you?

00:04:28.140 Have we ever met before?

00:04:29.300 I can't believe we haven't met.

00:04:30.540 We've met one time, but it was like three or four years ago at this point when DeMint and I were in your studio.

00:04:37.980 Oh, okay.

00:04:38.560 Yeah.

00:04:38.860 All right.

00:04:39.220 Yeah.

00:04:39.800 It was a while ago.

00:04:40.640 Because you've worked with everybody.

00:04:42.740 You worked with Jim DeMint.

00:04:44.380 You worked with Mike Lee.

00:04:48.160 I think Rand Paul as well.

00:04:50.120 I mean, you're heavy hitter.

00:04:52.740 Heavy hitters.

00:04:53.700 Oh, thanks.

00:04:54.200 Yeah.

00:04:54.840 So you wrote a article the other day, the 80s called They Want Their Foreign Policy Backer, Republicans Finally to Wake Up.

00:05:02.260 And I read that and I thought to myself, I think I completely agree with you, but there is so much swirling around that is vying for attention for the conservatives that I'm cautious.

00:05:20.120 I want to always talk to people before I go, you know what?

00:05:23.700 I think this is a really good idea.

00:05:26.820 So you said that, you know, you weren't even born when Reagan was in office and, you know, we got to get over Reagan.

00:05:36.920 Explain what you're talking about in your article.

00:05:42.760 So I think it's fair to say there's so much going on.

00:05:45.380 And I want to point out.

00:05:46.200 So that column was an adaptation of a speech for which I only had 10 minutes.

00:05:50.340 So there is so much more that I could have said there.

00:05:53.700 But I think, you know, in this sort of new right project that I'm working on, it's this idea not that Reagan was bad, right, or Reagan wasn't a good president.

00:06:03.400 It's just that Reagan is not eternal and he's not immortal.

00:06:07.340 And the conditions under which he was successful are not our conditions now.

00:06:12.180 And I think this is especially true, you know, even today, looking at why Liz Truss failed is sort of case in point, right?

00:06:19.640 She was trying to make economic policy for a type of economy that existed 40 years ago. 0.99

00:06:24.660 And the global order right now is being reshaped.

00:06:28.400 Right.

00:06:28.860 Neoliberalism is over.

00:06:29.940 OK, so.

00:06:30.480 So how do we make policy for that?

00:06:32.100 Right.

00:06:32.440 And so, Reagan, I completely agree that conservatives kind of live in the past.

00:06:40.580 And then by definition, you kind of do that.

00:06:44.380 But they live in the past.

00:06:45.800 There isn't any really new idea.

00:06:48.580 And quite honestly, the only part of going backward in time that I want is our history, good, bad and ugly, because we can learn from it.

00:06:58.180 Our Constitution, Declaration of Independence and Bill of Rights, everything else, we've screwed it up.

00:07:06.140 And I want a new vision.

00:07:09.020 But Reagan, the reason why Reagan, because I lived through it, that he was popular was not because he defeated things or turned the economy around.

00:07:21.220 Because he could connect with the principles and ideals of America.

00:07:28.420 Are those still relevant?

00:07:31.740 That's the great question, because right now we're living in a country, I think, where we don't even agree on the foundational things.

00:07:38.180 No, we don't.

00:07:38.780 Right.

00:07:38.960 We don't agree on sex.

00:07:40.400 We don't agree on basic foundational questions of whether a girl is a boy or, you know, religion and its role in shaping the country, traditional values.

00:07:51.340 All these things are up for just debate and dispute in a way that they weren't.

00:07:54.660 I think it's even deeper than that.

00:07:56.800 We don't agree on the Bill of Rights anymore.

00:07:59.960 Good portion doesn't even know it. 0.90

00:08:01.820 Yeah.

00:08:02.380 And and then the there's probably half the country that does know it.

00:08:06.820 And they're like, yeah, yeah.

00:08:07.740 I mean, we love the Constitution, but we got things to do.

00:08:11.040 I don't know if we're even a constitutional republic today.

00:08:15.960 Well, it's interesting, this question of that particular question.

00:08:20.200 I touched on a little bit in that piece, but my friend Russ Vogt has written a column for the American Mind saying we are actually post-constitutional.

00:08:28.200 Yeah, I think you looked how the left operates.

00:08:30.520 Yeah. And so how does the right respond to that?

00:08:33.020 And his vision is that you actually embrace radical constitutionalism, like you double down on what the Constitution really means.

00:08:41.240 But that requires us to upend, you know, bad precedent that we beholden ourselves to.

00:08:46.440 Yeah. Right.

00:08:47.080 And I think he calls it like, you know, bad, bad precedent and bad statesmen have led us into this place where, you know, he's talking about how his group looked at how do you constitutionally declare an invasion?

00:08:59.760 These states at the border.

00:09:01.100 How do you declare an invasion?

00:09:02.400 He's like, that's in the Constitution.

00:09:03.520 You can make a constitutional argument that the state has a responsibility to do that.

00:09:06.940 He's like, but you would be shocked the amount of conservative lawyers that push back against that because, oh, the precedent doesn't let us go there.

00:09:13.280 And he's like, no, no, no, I have to tell you, the stakes are this high precedent is not how you judge what's constitutional.

00:09:21.880 That'll just dogpile bad rulings after bad rulings. 1.00

00:09:24.940 Because the problem is, when you're doing that, you're saying all these, you know, conservative lawyers.

00:09:36.120 Look, this, this, we're living in an age of radicalism.

00:09:40.180 It is all radical.

00:09:42.200 If you want to restore the Bill of Rights as our centerpiece, it's going to take radicals because it's gone.

00:09:52.140 So you're, you, you are really fighting for a new system of government that people haven't seen in a hundred years because that hasn't been followed.

00:10:03.080 And then it's just been trashed in the last 10.

00:10:07.280 So if we can agree on the principles of Declaration of Independence, Bill of Rights, the Constitution will allow us to rebuild it.

00:10:16.960 But I don't know if you'll never get Mitch McConnell, you'll never get Mitt Romney, you'll never get these Republicans.

00:10:24.940 It's going to take it.

00:10:26.980 I think it's going to take people who either think very young along with the very young or it's just going to take the very young because these people think like it's 1950.

00:10:38.620 That's, and I think that is sort of the paradox the conservative movement is living in to some extent because as conservatives or conservatism broadly, right, we're not radicals by definition.

00:10:50.160 Right.

00:10:50.300 But we're living in a moment where we are forced to be radicals, to return to or to uncover, you know, Kirk said, you know, find the old values and old virtues and bring them back into the light.

00:11:03.180 That's where I think we're living.

00:11:04.300 And that requires a certain amount of radicalism from the movement.

00:11:06.860 Because to your point, and I think this is true of all the political right in Washington, they just don't understand this.

00:11:13.080 They do not understand the stakes of the moment we're living in.

00:11:15.860 They do not understand this is a fight for the soul of America, that if we don't get this right, America is not going to be America anymore.

00:11:22.380 It's going to be some sort of, you know, technologically.

00:11:26.060 Rachel, how do they not know that?

00:11:28.680 How do they not know that?

00:11:30.400 I think it's a willful denial to some extent.

00:11:33.960 They've been enriching themselves on the back of the old system for so long that it's self-preservation.

00:11:41.300 Acknowledging that it needs to change is cutting their own legs out and admitting that they have been part of the problem.

00:11:47.200 And they just are unable to do it and unwilling to do it.

00:11:51.520 That's why they need to go.

00:11:53.300 It is.

00:11:55.060 I just always assume, and I'm glad you said they were enriching themselves.

00:12:00.400 I look at the things that they should do if they win the Senate and the House, and I'm not sure they'll do it because it will come back on them as well.

00:12:11.740 I mean, it's it's not everybody, but a lot of them are in on the game and they just want to take it at a slower pace than the left.

00:12:21.300 Well, take, you know, just as a small example, you know, how entangled we are with China, how entangled our economy is, is what prevents us from taking this threat seriously. 0.85

00:12:33.840 And I see it as a as a global order changing threat.

00:12:38.240 We cannot and we are functionally incapable of addressing that as a legislature because so many of these guys and women, right, are tied into making so much money from that system. 1.00

00:12:50.140 And that's why Wall Street's entangled.

00:12:52.740 That's why the hedge funds are are so tied into it.

00:12:56.200 It's why the technology firms want to be over there.

00:12:58.140 We can't take on China because everyone's making too much money from China.

00:13:00.800 And that's that's a huge insurmountable problem right now, unless we dump over the leadership.

00:13:05.600 You can't even talk about it.

00:13:07.400 I mean, we just sold the port of Miami to China.

00:13:13.040 It just happened this week.

00:13:15.200 Nobody's talking about that.

00:13:16.680 And it's honestly it's been the trend of financialization, I think, which has been the focus of, you know, many Republican and Democratic leaders for the last 30 years.

00:13:28.280 Just this high finance, you know, production that doesn't actually make anything for the economy, but it makes a lot of people rich.

00:13:35.980 And it's that global financialization that we need to pull back, I think, and really take a critical look at.

00:13:41.460 And we are unable, again, to do that because too many people are making money from it.

00:13:44.880 So I do think it's going to take a new generation of leaders that aren't connected to that old system and are willing to kind of call it out and call it for what it is and change it.

00:13:53.900 But that's got to happen fast because we don't have a lot of time.

00:13:56.160 So many people think like Rachel, think like I do and know that we have quite a task on our hands and everybody is going to be needed on the field.

00:14:13.000 Everybody needs to be.

00:14:14.000 You can't sit in the stands and go, well, I'm just going to see which one's going to.

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00:14:58.860 So I think that there is, you know, these countries, England, they're fighting with austerity.

00:15:04.900 And I think there's a portion of America, and they are either the classical liberal that believes in, you know, rights, and has seen that we've just been a, we've become France in the 1700s and makeup and just talking nonsense at, you know, parties in Versailles.

00:15:31.940 We're ugly.

00:15:32.920 We've become ugly.

00:15:34.840 Those people and conservatives would just like to reset to a normal, reasonable lifestyle where you can get rich or not, but that's not what society is all about.

00:15:49.480 And I think the left is destroying us trying to get there while they're taking all of the money.

00:15:59.360 Um, and, and I think if we were asked to, and we had a real plan that would say, look, we have got to reset all of this and it's going to mean we all, you know, take it on the chin for a while.

00:16:15.140 I think we would do that if we knew that there was no way out of this financial disaster.

00:16:21.140 But they're not including us in any of this and they're denying it most times.

00:16:27.700 I think that's the really frustrating point about this moment is that we all see what's happening, right?

00:16:36.400 I think any reasonable person living in America today understands, you know, the attacks and the assaults that the country is under and the sort of economic precipice that we're living in.

00:16:46.880 Well, at the same time, right, you can't, the price of your child's innocence is being corrupted in their public school.

00:16:53.500 Conservatives are being debanked by major institutions.

00:16:56.660 You know, they're being cut off from the avenues to capitalism, to public life for, you know, saying the wrong thing on Twitter.

00:17:02.800 I mean, this isn't hyperbole or exaggeration.

00:17:04.980 This is actually what's happening.

00:17:06.860 And yet they are told by their representatives where, again, the great American experiment was that our self-government would reflect our concerns.

00:17:14.680 Our self-government would act on our behalf.

00:17:17.220 And yet they are being told by those people that your concerns are stupid.

00:17:22.680 That isn't really happening.

00:17:24.560 We don't have time to do that right now.

00:17:27.000 Maybe we'll get to it, you know, and we will take incremental steps to address this problem.

00:17:32.100 And it's infuriating, you know, and I think why you see people so, you know, the left talks about, you know, how angry the right is and how radical they are.

00:17:40.800 Well, they're angry because of this.

00:17:42.340 They're angry because where is their outlet?

00:17:44.620 Self-government is supposed to be responsive and it's supposed to be their outlet.

00:17:48.400 Self-government is what prevents violence in the streets, right?

00:17:51.840 It's the cathartic element of American government.

00:17:55.020 And yet it's not functioning.

00:17:56.380 And so I do think we are getting to a dangerous point that if you don't have that catharsis, if you don't see yourself reflected in your own representative government, what are you to do as an individual person?

00:18:08.200 I think this election is absolutely critical, but I'm not sure.

00:18:13.160 And I've said this to people.

00:18:14.720 I've said, you've got to go out and vote.

00:18:16.840 You've got to go out and vote.

00:18:18.320 And I think people get that message.

00:18:21.200 But so many say, I have zero faith the Republicans will do anything.

00:18:26.600 I just want to stop the madness.

00:18:29.300 But they're not going to fix it.

00:18:31.660 And I think that's probably true.

00:18:34.260 And that makes me tell my friends in Washington, pitchforks and torches will come for you because the status quo is not good enough.

00:18:48.760 You have to stop it and reverse it.

00:18:52.060 So how do we do that?

00:18:53.280 What is to start with this?

00:18:54.880 Define the new right. 0.71

00:18:56.120 So the new right is, I would say, still a nascent and ascendant movement among, I think, younger conservatives that our established sort of policymaking on the right has failed.

00:19:13.140 Now, I say in that speech, I think new right isn't necessarily a great moniker because there's been a number of new rights.

00:19:19.500 And in reality, a lot of the policies and ways of thinking the quote unquote new right pushes now is simply the conservatism of, you know, Robert Taft or Calvin Coolidge or sort of a historical reemergence of that way of thought.

00:19:33.360 So it's not new in that sense.

00:19:34.880 It's old.

00:19:35.920 But, you know, I think it's it's, again, a recognition that, you know, from where I sit, conservatism as a set of philosophies is dynamic.

00:19:45.660 Right. And it's it's resurgent always because it's flexible enough to meet the moment.

00:19:50.600 And I think what's what I have looked at in Washington is a conservative movement that's become fat and lazy and attached to dogma.

00:19:57.720 And they've they've disrespected conservatism by pushing it into the set of policy prescriptions that have become so rigid and ossified that any movement away from it is like, well, you're not a conservative.

00:20:10.060 When in reality, conservatism is supposed to conserve the things that we care about, which is nation, family, community, human dignity.

00:20:18.040 And by definition, when you attach yourself to those ideals, the policies are always going to look a little bit different because the threats are different.

00:20:25.680 Right. And the moment that we are living in right now, I would say.

00:20:29.100 And again, I'm not 40, but I'm like mid 30s.

00:20:32.600 So it's the from in my lifetime, I would say it is the highest stakes moment for these set of ideals that I have ever seen.

00:20:43.060 Oh, I will. They are under attack in ways I've never witnessed.

00:20:46.520 I was born in the 60s, so I've seen a lot.

00:20:50.340 And I've I mean, I really thought we were going to be vaporized in my teens.

00:20:54.640 I remember waiting because a decision was being made at the White House.

00:21:01.080 I remember that.

00:21:02.640 But I felt secure that even if that happened, those ideals would be preserved and we would move on.

00:21:11.980 This now, I think our stuff could be preserved.

00:21:16.140 But all of our ideals are meaning gone because they're they are.

00:21:23.060 They have destroyed our history.

00:21:26.200 They've destroyed our traditions.

00:21:28.580 I go to I go to a Fourth of July now.

00:21:31.320 That used to be so moving for me.

00:21:34.000 I almost hate Fourth of July now because it seems empty and it's just it's just it's it's meaningless now.

00:21:45.980 You see the flag.

00:21:47.500 I've never had a flag on my set from the beginning because I saw after 9-11, everybody saying you're not an American.

00:21:54.640 If you have if you don't have a flag on your lapel and I thought this is nuts.

00:21:59.040 That thing, that flag is going to be something that turns into something that it's not.

00:22:05.920 You know what I mean?

00:22:06.860 All of our traditions, everything has been destroyed and nobody is talking about how do we pick it up except.

00:22:17.880 The 1950s way, the Mitch McConnell way.

00:22:24.660 Well, this is where I think the new right distinguishes itself in some ways, is that it acknowledges everything that you're saying.

00:22:31.260 Right. It acknowledges that our way of life is being destroyed or has been destroyed by, I would say, like an over reliance on the market as the end in and of itself instead of a means to an end.

00:22:45.680 You know, a over focus on religious liberty as opposed to religiosity going away in American society.

00:22:53.860 Right. They go hand in hand, but we've overemphasized one to the exclusion of the other.

00:22:59.080 We've abandoned the institutions.

00:23:02.400 We've ceded them to the left.

00:23:04.040 And I think we the fatal conceit there was that, oh, well, the market will correct for the left's long march through the institutions.

00:23:10.800 And that has failed. That is a broken way of thinking.

00:23:14.060 And it has led us to this moment where conservatives and conservatism is almost a dissident culture at this point.

00:23:19.940 And so what the new right says is if we accept that premise that we are a dissident culture, we are by definition, we have to be a little bit more radical in our approach.

00:23:28.200 I'd say a lot more radical, frankly.

00:23:29.480 And when we get power, when we are given power through our self-government, we have to use it to actively defend the things that we care about.

00:23:39.540 So hang on, hang on, because this is where this is why I wanted to talk to you, because this is where it gets dicey.

00:23:47.900 We cannot become everything we despise.

00:23:51.840 And there are a lot of people on the right that, A, are angry and like, oh, you're going to do that to us?

00:23:58.640 Well, I'll show you what that feels like.

00:24:00.640 We are at a place in our society.

00:24:02.640 I talked about this in 2006 with a pendulum.

00:24:07.240 It's swinging that pendulum.

00:24:08.900 We're good in the center.

00:24:09.880 But as it swings one way or the other, left or right, it gets further and further apart until somebody grabs it and says there's too much chaos, there's too much division, and the people cry out for somebody to come down.

00:24:27.600 And quite honestly, after this administration, if the Republicans win, after this administration, if they don't do things, people are going to cry out for somebody to make it stop.

00:24:42.940 So please tell me how, what you mean by if you win, you get power.

00:24:49.980 What does that mean?

00:24:52.240 So this is, I think, the foundational question for the new right.

00:24:56.020 I think you're absolutely right to hone in on it.

00:24:57.940 And as a sort of a nascent movement, I think the new right has to iterate very clearly on what it means here, because it can't be, as you suggest, you know, this.

00:25:07.860 And there are some people on the new right that will say this, like that we are now the administrative state, right?

00:25:12.200 That we now tell you how to live your life.

00:25:13.980 And I just don't think that's.

00:25:15.560 That's not America.

00:25:17.140 It's not America. 0.65

00:25:18.460 But I also think it's not, as a practical matter, possible, right?

00:25:22.520 Even if the, even if, let's just say conservatives take all three branches of government, the administrative state is still run by Democrats.

00:25:29.500 Like, however you parse it, they are still in charge of the administrative state.

00:25:32.480 So as a practical matter, I don't think that works.

00:25:34.600 What I have always said is that if the new right obtains power, it has to be a twofold approach of, one, obtaining power, but then using that power to, one, protect the things that we care about, which is necessarily requiring a defunding of things, a decentralization of things, and a divestment of things.

00:25:57.680 And what I mean by that is, I want to break the elite power centers so that no elite can use them, right?

00:26:05.700 Our new, from where I sit, and there's many views on this in the new right, because again, it's a very nascent sort of movement at this time and fluid.

00:26:13.300 But from where I sit, we have to break the concentrations of power that exist within the government and within the private sector so that no one can sort of control those anymore.

00:26:22.900 And for me, state power, state power is using the government to create a space in which free people can flourish.

00:26:31.900 That's an inherently Lockean idea, and a lot of new right people hate Locke, but I think it's foundational to how our country works and the people that, you know, how we all live together.

00:26:42.040 But that requires using the government in a way that, historically, the right hasn't been popular on the right.

00:26:50.540 And what I mean is, I'm for strong antitrust enforcement.

00:26:53.520 I think we've been way too lax on how our megacorporations have consolidated.

00:26:59.200 You know, when people want to defend these companies as American companies, they're not.

00:27:02.500 They're multinationals that are interested in one thing, and that is their own self-interest.

00:27:07.520 Yeah, tell me the NBA is an American company.

00:27:12.600 Bullcrap.

00:27:13.300 Right.

00:27:14.160 But the same with, you know, tech companies, the same with half of our major banks and institutions.

00:27:21.380 So, you know, there's a lot of people on the right that say, well, we, you know, we don't want antitrust enforcement.

00:27:25.360 I do.

00:27:26.000 I think that's law enforcement for the market.

00:27:27.760 I think we need to be much more critical of how private power is amassed.

00:27:32.300 If you're a fan of getting high quality meat, it might be time for you to stop shopping at the store.

00:27:41.120 Did you know that they can put labels on meat that says product of America, but it's actually been shipped in from China?

00:27:48.640 It's kind of scary.

00:27:50.020 But store bought meats get recalled pretty frequently.

00:27:54.240 Just recently, about 44 tons of store meat was recalled for Listeria.

00:27:59.200 Product of America.

00:28:00.560 When you buy meat, fish, chicken, you need to know that it is the best.

00:28:09.960 You need to know that it's coming here.

00:28:11.920 It hadn't been shipped halfway across the earth.

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00:28:17.720 I've been telling you about them for a while now on the program.

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00:29:03.060 Well, here's the one thing that people always say.

00:29:06.140 Oh, the founding fathers, they didn't see a time when we went to space.

00:29:09.620 No, they didn't have to.

00:29:10.800 They had certain principles that work anywhere in the universe for any problem.

00:29:17.860 The one thing that I don't think that they really addressed or thought about was that they never thought a corporation could be more powerful than a government and that it could just rule the world.

00:29:37.120 And there's no restrictions on these corporations.

00:29:41.100 I don't care.

00:29:42.500 You as a grocery store, you don't want to serve anybody named Glenn.

00:29:47.100 Fine, whatever.

00:29:47.880 I'll go to another grocery store.

00:29:49.580 But when that grocery store owns all of the grocery stores or a large part of them and influences everyone else.

00:29:58.160 Because no, and especially if it's taking any money from the federal government, then that's the government funding my rights being taken away.

00:30:08.660 This is exactly.

00:30:09.760 Yeah, this is the issue.

00:30:11.200 And a lot of times I'll debate this issue with progressives who are like, well, you just then why can you?

00:30:17.020 Jack Phillips should bake the cake, right?

00:30:18.700 Bake the cake, bigot.

00:30:19.480 How is this any different?

00:30:20.520 And because of what you just laid out, it's fundamentally different.

00:30:23.340 The issue is one of scale.

00:30:25.400 Right.

00:30:26.580 There's a million other cake bakers.

00:30:28.900 There's one massive tech platform.

00:30:31.880 There's three mega banks.

00:30:33.300 Yes.

00:30:33.580 Right.

00:30:34.300 When they start cutting you off, you lose access to public life.

00:30:37.620 Correct.

00:30:38.160 And we've allowed that to happen.

00:30:39.400 That has been a function of policy choices.

00:30:41.480 Right.

00:30:41.720 Not the market somehow.

00:30:42.960 Well, the government, you know, the public-private partnership of ESG and all of that stuff.

00:30:48.500 This, they have built a digital ghetto.

00:30:53.960 I said this a few years ago and I got my head handed to me, but it's true. 1.00

00:30:59.700 You, in the, in, you know, with Hitler, he had to round the Jews up and then put them in a place and then build walls around that place. 0.73

00:31:09.520 So, they couldn't do anything with the outside world, but you go ahead and have your little life here.

00:31:14.700 Well, that's what's happening with people who, I don't care what side you're on, if you disagree with the state and the power, then you're in a digital ghetto.

00:31:26.780 I'm not doing anything to you.

00:31:28.660 You can still drive around.

00:31:30.200 Really?

00:31:31.380 Can I have a bank?

00:31:32.880 Can I have a credit card?

00:31:34.320 Can I have social media?

00:31:35.900 Can I speak anywhere?

00:31:38.020 Can I have a job if I don't get vaccinated?

00:31:41.420 You've put us in a ghetto.

00:31:45.180 No, I think that's exactly right.

00:31:46.780 And when I started writing on some of these issues a couple of years ago, I used to get in these debates with libertarians who, I was writing specifically about the tech platforms.

00:31:54.500 Sort of foreshadowing what I thought was going to happen, which is that, you know, these are market access points.

00:32:01.700 And when you start ideologically weaponizing them, you cut people off from the market, the downstream effects are going to be very dangerous.

00:32:07.580 And they would say to me, well, Facebook can't put you in jail.

00:32:10.200 The government is still a bigger threat to your liberty.

00:32:12.260 The government is, can be a threat to your liberty.

00:32:14.120 But as you point out, like we're living in a digital economy, a digital technocracy in many cases, and the ability to cut you off from all the avenues of making money in this country to being successful, to maintaining a job, to having any kind of social capital at all.

00:32:30.300 It's all completely in private hands.

00:32:32.540 And it's increasingly weaponized.

00:32:34.040 And I deal a lot with people, too, who say, well, you know, if, as we saw recently, J.P. Morgan is unbanking Sam Brownback's Committee for Religious Liberty, he should just find another bank and we should just build a different bank for conservatives.

00:32:49.220 And it's like, OK, there is, you know, the alternative economy movement, I think, yes, has some merit, but two things.

00:32:57.400 One, it cannot be scaled up at all quickly enough, I think, to meet the kind of crisis that we're in.

00:33:02.920 But second, every input in that system is also weaponized, right?

00:33:08.460 You saw this with Parler, for instance.

00:33:11.000 Remember Parler, the alternative Twitter?

00:33:12.860 Right.

00:33:13.400 It was doing really, really well when it got kneecapped out of existence.

00:33:17.820 And what happened?

00:33:18.580 It wasn't just that they lost access to the app stores, although I would argue that was a huge blow because those are the only two market access points if you are a social media app.

00:33:27.220 If you're not in those app stores, you functionally don't exist.

00:33:29.520 But it was their web hosting service that they got kicked off of, their email provider dropped them, their lawyers stopped working with them.

00:33:38.780 How are you going to build an alternative system when everything you need to make the market work for you is you're cut off from it?

00:33:45.460 And that is what I think there's no wider acknowledgement of that phenomenon on the right, the established right.

00:33:51.600 Right.

00:33:51.740 They're still acting like we live in a country where we all agree on the foundational things, like the market can solve these problems.

00:33:57.200 No, you can't when the market is weaponized this way.

00:33:59.560 Yeah, I agree with you.

00:34:00.960 I actually agree with the alternative market theory, but I also am smart enough to know, I mean, that's why I built the blaze.

00:34:10.700 It was an alternative to the media.

00:34:13.100 And at the time, the Internet was still the Wild West.

00:34:17.500 OK, and fine.

00:34:19.340 They at that time, you can't be on these platforms.

00:34:23.020 You can't say these things on the mainstream media.

00:34:25.000 OK, I'll come over here.

00:34:27.120 Well, great.

00:34:27.780 Build your own thing then.

00:34:28.980 Not thinking that we would.

00:34:30.560 We did.

00:34:31.900 Everybody's now.

00:34:32.980 And but now that you're effective, now they want to kick you off this and say, well, just you can't use this.

00:34:39.820 Build another one.

00:34:41.400 You can't build all the infrastructure.

00:34:44.680 You could in 40 years, but you can't build the separate infrastructure.

00:34:50.400 And and all of it.

00:34:53.040 And this is, in my opinion, from the World Economic Forum and the.

00:34:57.220 And the corruption there, it's all connected.

00:35:01.220 So now here's the question.

00:35:02.540 Every law, the way we work now, you know, there are bills this big and nobody reads them except the attorneys.

00:35:14.100 Nobody really writes them except the people that usually are the on the receiving end of it.

00:35:21.040 They're the ones we're trying to regulate.

00:35:22.980 Well, I don't really know how to regulate.

00:35:25.040 This is why we only have three car companies up until Tesla in America, because FDR went to the big three and say, said, what do we need to do?

00:35:35.140 Well, they regulated everybody out of business.

00:35:38.440 Who's going to write the tech legislation?

00:35:43.320 Who knows it well enough?

00:35:45.680 And how do you contain it?

00:35:48.280 This is a very, I think, pressing question.

00:35:55.800 And I don't have any faith in our legislators to be able to do it, to be totally honest, because in so many ways, you know, we've technology has outpaced us.

00:36:05.140 Right. And I think for the last 20 years, the debate in Washington and I think even across the country was tech exceptionalism.

00:36:11.800 Right. That the tech is just going to push us forward and do great things and we're never going to have to worry about it.

00:36:16.400 And isn't it great that you can do all these things?

00:36:18.540 And yeah, your data is everywhere, but that will never come back to bite us ever.

00:36:21.820 You know, they can have it.

00:36:22.560 They're good. They're good companies.

00:36:24.600 They're never going to misuse it.

00:36:26.020 And now we're living in a digital economy that has been completely restructured.

00:36:30.580 The Internet is not the Internet of the 90s.

00:36:33.960 Right. It's not the Internet I came up in, which was like chat rooms and, you know, just an open forum.

00:36:40.140 It is a balkanized, commercially driven system that's commoditized by people.

00:36:46.740 Right. We are the commodity and we still make policy like it's the Internet of the 1990s.

00:36:53.280 And so this is why, you know, down the road, we do need to kind of get control of these companies and what they do with with us and to us.

00:37:01.640 I think that involves, frankly, much more stringent regulations on what can be targeted at kids.

00:37:10.760 I think it involves massive legislation on privacy and, you know, how they keep your data and what they do with it.

00:37:17.420 But I think those are 10 or 15 years down the road.

00:37:19.440 We don't have the technical technical expertise.

00:37:21.960 What I focused on in the short term is decentralizing the heck out of these companies.

00:37:26.080 Because for me, a lot of the speech concerns, a lot of the privacy concerns, it's all downstream of market power.

00:37:32.480 Right. Right.

00:37:33.460 Google is so powerful because it controls the flow of information for 90 percent of the world.

00:37:39.980 Right. What Google chooses to suppress or amplify literally shifts opinion around the world.

00:37:45.320 No company should have that much authority.

00:37:47.260 And I care far less what Google does if it's only doing it for 20 percent of the world and not 90.

00:37:52.920 Can you imagine any company having 90 percent of the control of water?

00:37:59.480 Can you imagine that?

00:38:00.740 We'd all go crazy.

00:38:03.020 They have 90 percent of the world's information, ingoing and outgoing.

00:38:10.160 That's that's right up there with water.

00:38:12.660 But we don't see it that way.

00:38:15.700 No, we don't.

00:38:16.380 And we and we should because that changes how people take in information, speak to one another.

00:38:22.900 Because remember, Google owns YouTube as well, which is this that Google is the number one search engine in the world.

00:38:28.340 Do you know what the second biggest search engine in the world is?

00:38:30.940 YouTube, also owned by Google.

00:38:32.860 Right.

00:38:33.020 So they control, you know, the massive information economy, which involves how we think, how we express ourselves, how we vote, you know, all these things.

00:38:41.580 So to think that somehow, you know, this is just the information ecosystem and there are a thousand flowers blooming is a joke.

00:38:48.800 I mean, people say, oh, well, use DuckDuckGo.

00:38:51.660 The fact that DuckDuckGo or Bing exists says nothing to me about the reach of Google's power.

00:38:57.420 They exist.

00:38:58.200 And that's it.

00:38:59.080 Right.

00:38:59.220 If just two percent of America is using DuckDuckGo, it doesn't matter because 90 percent of America is using Google.

00:39:05.240 So I think you have to break the concentration here.

00:39:09.040 And that's the only thing I'm confident right now that Washington can do in the short term.

00:39:12.900 Because frankly, there's no expertise.

00:39:15.080 You've watched enough.

00:39:16.120 There's so much more than that.

00:39:17.000 You know, you've watched enough movies to know.

00:39:21.160 I mean, I love people like that, you know, that's what happens in the movies.

00:39:25.340 Yeah.

00:39:25.620 And this is probably worse.

00:39:27.180 And what do you think?

00:39:28.520 I mean, movies sell people because they recognize some truth in it occasionally.

00:39:35.280 Yeah.

00:39:35.760 This is what happens in the movies.

00:39:37.320 And what happens in the movies is anybody who tries to break up that amount of power and money will be destroyed.

00:39:47.000 Are you telling me that that Skynet was just foreshadowing?

00:39:51.200 Yeah.

00:39:52.120 Seeing that China there, they actually named their monitoring service Skynet. 0.95

00:39:57.300 Let me ask you, did the.

00:39:59.900 The leftists after Reagan, they realized they didn't have the corporate boardrooms and you can't win without the corporate boardrooms.

00:40:09.900 So they spent 20 years getting into the corporate boardrooms and we see the effects.

00:40:15.700 However, people think this is a Marxist, communist movement.

00:40:24.000 I think those, I think, I think those people are just the useful idiots.

00:40:30.560 Did the left win or did the worst part of corporatism win?

00:40:37.420 The, it's almost like they came in to infect and they just taught how, wait a minute, if we destroy this, we can get all the money by using these kinds of ideas and we'll be, we'll be the evil corporation in the end, you know, all for the good of people.

00:40:59.340 So who won here?

00:41:01.960 Who's using who?

00:41:04.220 So this is a very interesting question and I'm curious what you think about, let me lay this out and see what you think.

00:41:10.440 So I think the sequencing here is important because I think what you just laid out is kind of what happened.

00:41:17.320 And you see this, it's very hilarious to me.

00:41:19.360 Like companies, it's so much signaling, right?

00:41:22.000 Companies like Apple are like, throw up this huge Black Lives Matter banner on, you know, their homepage.

00:41:28.580 And they're, meanwhile, they're like using Chinese slaves. 0.99

00:41:30.980 Like it's just, it's just, it's like so much signaling, right?

00:41:34.160 Like Amazon is like, oh, here are these, you know, 15 movies for Black History Month, you know, don't talk about the fact that we make our warehouse workers, you know, pee in bottles and they die on the floor, right?

00:41:46.000 So there's like definitely a component of that.

00:41:49.060 But the other side of it is, and this is where I'm interested in what you think.

00:41:54.660 I think that the leadership of a lot of these corporations, to your point, they're not ideological.

00:42:00.500 They're just sheep, right?

00:42:02.660 And so they've been led down this line and that's what they'll do.

00:42:05.180 But, and I think they're largely Gen X sort of boomer generations.

00:42:08.980 But what concerns me the most is that you have this mid-level management that is completely ideological and woke and, you know, coming out of the universities on a, just willing to wield power against everyone in really tyrannical ways.

00:42:29.200 And they are ascending to leadership of these companies.

00:42:32.320 And in many ways, the leadership that exists is terrified of them.

00:42:35.720 You know, look no further than the New York Times and what happened to James Bennett and the furor that that newsroom has been in.

00:42:42.040 That's exactly what happened.

00:42:42.840 It was the mid-level, you know, woke tyrants overthrowing their elders.

00:42:48.960 And so my fear is that unless you have the current leadership that sort of Gen X boomer level have enough courage to tamp that down, and I'm not sure they do, we will actually see tyrants ascend to these boardrooms. 0.88

00:43:02.640 And it won't be the, you know, I'm painting BLM in my cheek while I, you know, exploit my workers. 0.90

00:43:08.760 It will be an actual weaponization of the corporate sector that we have never seen.

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00:44:59.420 I think you're accurate on that.

00:45:02.420 I think that's absolutely right.

00:45:04.380 And I think, you know, you've read The Fourth Turning, I'm sure.

00:45:07.920 The Fourth Turning talks about the Gen X. 0.93

00:45:11.760 I'm the last year of Gen X.

00:45:13.600 And I just kind of feel like it's my job to go, hey, the next one's coming up.

00:45:20.560 Can you just, like, chill?

00:45:22.040 Just chill a little bit.

00:45:24.280 You know what I mean?

00:45:25.020 I don't want to take, they took all the stuff, they screwed it all up.

00:45:29.240 I'm just here going, you've got to stop taking stuff, and you've got to stop wanting to kill people for taking stuff.

00:45:36.020 You know?

00:45:36.280 This is the Gen X moment.

00:45:39.200 We need Gen X to rise up. 0.95

00:45:40.800 We do.

00:45:42.200 We do.

00:45:43.040 I just don't know if they'll do it, but we do.

00:45:46.880 We need to.

00:45:47.640 Look, the people your age, the damn hippies have been a pain in my ass ever since I was a kid.

00:45:58.580 They came in, they were all about them, me, me, me, me, me, and they did whatever the hell they wanted, and everybody left in their wreckage behind.

00:46:11.260 Then they got to power.

00:46:12.760 They became the person that they said they hated the most.

00:46:17.100 They took it all.

00:46:19.420 They won't leave.

00:46:20.660 They're so arrogant.

00:46:22.500 They won't leave.

00:46:25.180 The 90 years old, and they're still up there, I'll tell you what we're going to do.

00:46:30.000 What?

00:46:30.740 Everything you've done has left wreckage behind you.

00:46:34.960 So your generation is a little pissed off if you even know what they took.

00:46:43.040 You'll never know what America really was like because they destroyed it probably, you know, right after you were born is when this stuff really started to kick in.

00:46:56.520 So you're pissed off.

00:46:58.120 You're not going to get anything because those people who are almost dead took and destroyed everything, and now you're turning against me and clumping me with them.

00:47:10.140 And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no, stop, stop.

00:47:17.260 Let's just have a discussion.

00:47:20.520 This doesn't work anymore.

00:47:24.360 This is the moment that Ronald Reagan said would come.

00:47:28.640 If you keep going down this road, you're going to enter a time where there are no good options.

00:47:38.100 None of them are good because you've burnt every bridge.

00:47:42.760 Well, here we are.

00:47:44.700 Now, how do we hold ourselves together?

00:47:48.280 How do we live?

00:47:50.000 I hear this all the time.

00:47:51.460 I can live with people.

00:47:55.440 All I need.

00:47:56.420 Can you give me give me eight of the Bill of Rights?

00:48:00.380 Give me eight.

00:48:01.260 OK, then we can argue about guns and I don't know, quartering soldiers in your house.

00:48:06.380 But can you give me eight of those?

00:48:09.980 If you can.

00:48:11.600 OK, I can live next door to you.

00:48:13.680 But if you can't give me the Bill of Rights, I don't know how to be in a country and run a country that is diametrically opposed to itself.

00:48:27.740 Yeah.

00:48:28.400 How do we fix that?

00:48:29.500 How do we get there?

00:48:31.140 This is the great existential question of the age, because, you know, this is the situation where how do you have a self-government with people who literally don't agree on foundational on the foundational aspects of what it's like to live together?

00:48:46.320 And the new right, I think, is trying to answer that question by saying we have to upend the left's march to the institutions.

00:48:55.640 We have to decentralize all the power centers that have existed that allow one side of the ledger to tyrannize the other, because that is what what is happening right now.

00:49:04.580 So this is really this is what's happening at the EU right now.

00:49:08.640 They've cobbled these countries.

00:49:10.780 Well, we used to be like independent countries.

00:49:13.460 Believe me, when I moved in Texas in 1982, it was a different country.

00:49:19.520 OK, but we used to have pride in those individual countries, just like Europe did.

00:49:27.000 And they're sick and tired of being told you're not special and you'll do what Germany says.

00:49:32.120 And Greece, you'll have all that stuff paid for by whatever.

00:49:37.320 It's not that they hate the other countries.

00:49:40.300 They just want to be themselves.

00:49:42.140 So are we seeing the dismantling of all of that at the same time we're seeing new framework that's even worse being built?

00:49:53.280 Well, this is why I think the old solutions of, you know, that the old right says, well, just let federalism work.

00:50:01.960 Just let the market work.

00:50:03.420 In theory, those things work when you don't have the other side trying to bludgeon you out of existence.

00:50:09.500 Like they don't want to your point.

00:50:11.160 They don't want states to assert their own identities.

00:50:13.760 They don't want red states to be allowed to make decisions. 0.99

00:50:18.400 You know, I read this great piece a couple of years ago that talked about this phenomenon where, you know, it talks about how the left pushes you to the margins and then demonizes that spaces, that space on the margins.

00:50:30.940 Right. They're never going to leave you alone.

00:50:33.560 They're never going to stop coming for you.

00:50:35.660 And that's why I think it's if we want to get back to this radical federalism, which I think in the end is what's going to save us.

00:50:41.260 If we want to get back to this radical constitutionalism, which we absolutely need, we need a right that is willing to go in and defend us.

00:50:50.420 Right. And use the government to dismantle the administrative state, to dismantle this massive, you know, corporate friendly tax code that has amassed so much power into these institutions that hate us and that have sold the American way of life out to China.

00:51:05.440 We need to create a policy that supports communities so we can once again say local government can solve problems because our communities have been decimated.

00:51:14.440 And yet we sit here and say, oh, the community, your neighbor should look out for neighbors.

00:51:18.280 Your neighbor strung out on opioids and lost its job because it got shipped to China.

00:51:22.380 Right. We have to have a policy that is defensive and offensive to push forward the way the things that make life meaningful and sustainable in the United States.

00:51:35.440 And right now we don't have that. The right over the last 30 years has allowed our public policy to decimate the things that we care about.

00:51:42.680 We need a public policy that protects those things. And that's going to mean renegotiating trade agreements.

00:51:49.180 I have not I don't want to hear about multilateral trade anymore. I just want to hear about bilateral trade.

00:51:53.420 You know, like, frankly, I don't want I want to hear more about rebuilding our manufacturing capacity, not through, you know, some sort of big statist, you know, chips management from Washington.

00:52:08.980 Right. But a tax code that actually supports and encourages and incentivizes companies to to stay here.

00:52:15.960 I want to see an immigration system that protects American workers, because so much of what we're seeing, again, has been policy choices that we made.

00:52:24.580 It's not just the market and the invisible hand. No, no, no. We pushed ourselves down this road.

00:52:29.320 Right. We have to haul ourselves back again, not to sort of dictate how people live from Washington, but to create the space and the conditions for families to flourish.

00:52:39.540 So middle class workers to do well. You're seeing you're seeing somebody create that space.

00:52:46.840 And that's Ron DeSantis. I mean, he is I mean, I'm really I'm kind of a disgruntled Texan because Florida is not supposed to lead the way.

00:52:59.320 They got the mouse house. That's enough. That's all they get. We're supposed to.

00:53:03.100 You have FOMO. You have FOMO about Florida.

00:53:05.100 Yes, I do. And but if more governors would deal with things the way he is, that's why I support the I think the last line of defense is our is our attorney generals and our sheriffs.

00:53:24.220 The sheriff is supposed to be notified before the FBI can come in and kick down your door with a team.

00:53:31.780 You know what I mean? What are you doing? Operating it back off.

00:53:34.360 The the banks are being investigated, not by a single person on Capitol Hill.

00:53:41.940 But just this week, 19 attorney generals are calling all those banks and saying, what are you doing here with ESG?

00:53:50.840 I mean, so can can the states do it if we shore up our states?

00:53:57.000 Yeah, I think this has to be a multi-pronged project.

00:54:03.460 You know, I want to get back. And this is what I mean where I say radical federalism.

00:54:07.880 Right. But I think it's naive to also think you can just simply do that.

00:54:12.320 What Ron DeSantis is doing in a red state and the government, the federal government is not going to aggress against it.

00:54:17.220 They will. Right. So this is what I mean.

00:54:20.020 They don't want to let you exist. And I think we have to, you know, our federal legislator legislatures have to get control of that.

00:54:27.280 And, you know, you look at the Department of Justice right now.

00:54:30.140 Dobbs was overturned. Pro-lifers, you know, won a victory.

00:54:33.880 And the Department of Justice responds by beginning to arrest pro-life protesters for singing hymns outside an abortion clinic.

00:54:42.900 So, you know, but I so we have a two a multi-pronged approach, I think, that we have to engage in.

00:54:48.920 And I would actually add to your list, in addition to sheriffs and attorneys general, I would add state treasurers, I think, have a big role to play.

00:54:57.380 Yes. And if you if you watch Riley Moore, who's a state treasurer of West Virginia, he's great, has been really creative and inventive and pushing back against ESG, forcing companies out of his state for trying to put the coal companies out of business.

00:55:11.660 You know, I think there's a whole number of weapons and tools that state treasurers have available.

00:55:16.380 So the one thing that they have, they will have just a whole bunch of new troops all the time because they control the education system.

00:55:28.880 I think the Department of Education needs to be abolished.

00:55:35.980 And these these teachers unions are the root of of of real evil as well.

00:55:43.580 How can what do we have to do to be able to have fresh troops on the horizon?

00:55:55.140 Well, I think this goes back to when we were talking about the corporate boardroom and sort of my thesis on the woke millennial middle management takeover that I think is really going to threaten to tyrannize the corporate sector and like even new ways.

00:56:11.840 That is the pipeline from the university system.

00:56:15.820 Right. And all of these things that the right has ignored on the institutional side, the cultural institutions, the educational institutions, we have to be prepared to deal with that.

00:56:24.360 And this goes back to my idea of why the new right has to divest and decentralize and defund.

00:56:29.280 And we need to start the university system is a big part of that.

00:56:33.360 Right. We have to they benefit in myriad ways from our federal policy.

00:56:39.120 Oh, yeah. And our tax code.

00:56:40.620 Oh, yeah.

00:56:40.960 Like that, that that that has to be yanked out from under them because they have become far too powerful and they're pumping out.

00:56:48.500 You know, it's there was always this joke a couple of years ago, right, where it was like, oh, the gender studies majors.

00:56:54.780 Ha ha. Wait until they're going to have to get a real job and then it'll disabuse them of all their crazy ideas. 1.00

00:56:59.640 Well, you know what? That gender studies major is running your H.R. department now. 1.00

00:57:02.800 Right. So we have to pay attention to this pipeline.

00:57:07.220 And I frankly, I'm very comfortable with our federal policy addressing it the way I just described.

00:57:12.320 Yeah. Which is yanking the benefits that they have from the tax code and removing this ideological terror from the heights of our society, because this is where we train our elites. 0.96

00:57:21.780 Right. I loved, by the way, Jim Ho, a federal judge on the Fifth Circuit, who said, I'm not going to hire Yale law school clerks anymore because these people are crazy.

00:57:31.620 These people are we need more of that. Yeah, we do. Right.

00:57:35.460 In addition to, you know, cutting them off from the federal benefits, which I think would go a long way in cracking the hold they have on free thinkers running our country.

00:57:45.340 Rachel. Who are you meeting with?

00:57:50.900 Who is there? Please tell me there is a group of people like you that are meeting and pushing this policy.

00:58:04.100 I mean, I can't take the right and their think tanks anymore.

00:58:08.480 I don't care what you think. What are you doing?

00:58:12.400 What are you doing?

00:58:14.000 Is is there anything like that that is really working and pushing forward this kind of questioning at this point?

00:58:24.920 Yeah, it's it's been it's yes, I will say there there is a small bedraggled, scrappy group of people trying to come up with what this looks like in policy and pushing it forward as an actual policy agenda.

00:58:38.520 Because the last like two or three years, this sort of new right national conservatism movement has been intellectual.

00:58:45.540 Right. It's been an intellectual ferment, I think, among the conservative right.

00:58:49.420 But the problem is, OK, you know, we've won the argument now, I would say, you know, in many ways.

00:58:56.680 What how do you what do you do now? How do you actually enact policy?

00:59:00.640 And so that's the sort of next bleeding edge of this movement.

00:59:03.880 And there's a number of us really iterating on this question.

00:59:07.280 You know, I don't always agree with some of the solutions that people come up with.

00:59:10.140 I think there's a danger. There's a danger, I think, for the new right to simply be sort of warmed over leftism.

00:59:16.640 You know, that there's a danger, I think, also on the other the flip side of that, there's a danger for the new right to simply be captured by to be sloganeering and simply be neoliberalism under the guise of MAGA or whatever.

00:59:30.180 Right.

00:59:30.240 So there really needs to be a focus on, you know, creatively addressing this moment while maintaining the sort of freedom and sort of, again, radical constitutionalism that I think has to define it.

00:59:47.380 So I think the challenge is twofold. You have to come up with a policy agenda, but then you have to actually have leaders with the cojones to actually do it.

00:59:54.920 And that's always a challenge, too.

00:59:56.160 So I've never offered this to anybody ever before, but if you can get that scrappy ragtag team together, I would like to have you over at my house for dinner. 1.00

01:00:08.120 I'd love to host a dinner just to be a fly on the wall to listen to this conversation.

01:00:14.660 I think it is vital, vital that we are having these conversations and thinking for the very first time in my life.

01:00:24.720 I mean, I was a I was a Reagan guy, you know, big government, peace through strength, all that.

01:00:30.700 Get the hell out of all of these things.

01:00:34.180 Stop telling the rest of the world what to do.

01:00:38.980 Enough, enough, enough, and there are a lot of conservatives that are no longer they used to be, but they've seen the results of it.

01:00:51.820 How many times do we have to learn this lesson?

01:00:54.480 It doesn't work.

01:00:55.640 And there's a laundry list of those things.

01:00:57.820 And somebody who begins to articulate those things, it will catch on quickly.

01:01:05.420 So anything I can do to help you and others, please let me know.

01:01:12.380 That's so gracious and amazing.

01:01:14.340 And we will take you up on it.

01:01:15.740 OK, good.

01:01:16.940 I hope you talk again.

01:01:17.980 We're not very.

01:01:19.080 Yeah, I would love to.

01:01:19.980 I would love to.

01:01:20.560 We all we need friends in this moment.

01:01:22.600 We do.

01:01:22.920 More than ever.

01:01:23.220 And they will prove to be strange bedfellows a lot of times.

01:01:27.760 But as long as they as long as they're not advocating violence or revenge, they're a friend of mine.

01:01:37.800 They're a friend of mine.

01:01:38.700 Hear, hear.

01:01:39.260 Thank you.

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The Glenn Beck Program - October 22, 2022

Ep 159 ｜ Hey, GOP： It's Time to Become 'RADICALS' ｜ Rachel Bovard ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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