The Glenn Beck Program - Ep 161 ｜ How Christianity Was INFILTRATED by Woke Politics ｜ Voddie Baucham ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

00:00:00.000 well their hatred is nothing new the elites have always hated despised really christianity

00:00:07.600 all through the gospels jesus jesus narrowly escapes being lynched as the pharisees the elites 1.00

00:00:15.320 chased him he told them he didn't come to call the righteous he came to call the sinners the

00:00:21.200 blind the disabled the poor the possessed now anyone who actually hates christianity

00:00:26.620 actually really i think hates them as well the blind the disabled the poor and the oppressed 0.99

00:00:31.360 um they seem to enslave them give them anyway if you want proof look at how they attack anyone who 0.94

00:00:41.340 disagrees with the elites chance of black lives matter well that evaporates once a black person 1.00

00:00:47.860 tells the world that they're a republican right believe all women unless they're conservative 1.00

00:00:54.180 everything they claim everything they say oh we believe in this so much is a distraction

00:01:01.920 so that you won't notice what they're really up to but as paul writes in romans profess a professing to 0.96

00:01:07.940 be wise they became fools doesn't it seem like our experts are foolish right now today's guest knows 0.91

00:01:14.580 what they're really up to he's a former pastor pastor he is a author a professor and current dean 0.98

00:01:20.540 of theology at african christian university in zambia i've been waiting to meet this guy for a couple of

00:01:27.540 years now he happens to be in the states for a few days and he stopped in he's a spiritual man

00:01:33.820 a community leader an academic a bible expert and a man who strives to preserve the unity of the spirit

00:01:41.420 through the bond of peace although he carries a pretty big stick as well he's written books and

00:01:50.400 articles detailing the complicated realities of a world that is increasingly dangerous for christians 0.72

00:01:55.940 today on the glenn beck podcast i am excited to introduce you to dr votie bachman jr before we get

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00:03:13.280 i find myself um thinking thoughts i've never thought before yeah um and wondering

00:03:35.720 where are we in time where where are we as a people as a nation yeah you know i i tell you one

00:03:47.920 thing we're in trouble i got that i know that i know that we're in trouble i know that um there are

00:03:56.240 things happening in the midst of our society that you know if you look at romans chapter one

00:04:02.900 or if you look at history these are the kind of things that happen um toward the end of a of a

00:04:11.420 society's um lifespan if you will and uh i i think unless things change um dramatically

00:04:19.900 that what we're going to see is going to be catastrophic um i mean i i think on the other

00:04:27.140 hand that there are some unique aspects of american culture that uh that kind of give us

00:04:35.940 a reprieve i think you know our federalist system the fact that there are 50 states yeah the fact

00:04:41.360 and i think covid showed us that right there wasn't there wasn't one response to covid in america

00:04:46.660 right yeah not everybody had the same experience i think um you know we we we see an end to roe v

00:04:53.160 wade and now what happens things go to the states and these different states look very different in

00:04:59.540 their response so i think because of that you know but that doesn't give us a rip i i i'm

00:05:06.100 i will be really truly heartened um that it's not a delay tactic some things like that nice delays

00:05:16.760 yeah um buy us more time yeah but until we i mean i hate to sound like a preacher but until we

00:05:23.880 recognize crap we have gone way astray way astray i can't hear sheep there's no sheep for miles around 0.69

00:05:36.520 we've really gone astray yeah yeah and we then ask for forgiveness yeah he his protection 0.97

00:05:46.720 is it has to come off of us yeah looking at the things that are happening in our society but glenn

00:05:52.980 i would say it already has i would say that's why we're seeing what we're seeing yeah but i don't

00:05:58.640 think this is judgment i'm not sure if he's fully withdrawn yeah we're not we're at the beginning i

00:06:03.620 think yeah this is we're at the beginning of that yeah this is we this is judgment we're experiencing

00:06:08.020 judgment and when you experience judgment you're right the response is to repent and uh you know

00:06:15.600 i'm afraid that that we're not seeing much of that we're not seeing any humility we're not seeing

00:06:21.900 humility we're not seeing repentance we're not seeing brokenness um we will yeah i think of yoda

00:06:28.280 you will um i was well let me let me let me go here

00:06:39.700 i feel like we're battling evil we are not i keep saying on the air it's not republicans versus democrats

00:06:50.560 it's not it is elites versus the people but it's not really even that it is evil against good

00:06:58.260 can you give can you flesh that out yeah i mean i think the the apostle paul in second

00:07:04.000 corinthians chapter 10 he says though we walk in the flesh we are not waging war according to the

00:07:09.720 flesh and i think it's important for us to keep that in mind that that we are battling um what he

00:07:17.640 talks about in ephesians chapter 2 is the prince of the power of the air right that spirit that is now

00:07:22.100 at work in the sons of disobedience this is a spiritual battle it's always been a spiritual

00:07:28.900 battle and i and i think that that we're seeing that more clearly you know go back to roe v wade i

00:07:36.040 talked about you know that earlier what's interesting about that is you know all of a sudden when that

00:07:44.180 happened the gloves came off oh yeah you know and people were just essentially saying i can't believe

00:07:53.640 we're not going to be allowed to kill babies anymore i know you know i know i mean no i think it's been

00:07:59.160 in some ways it's been a real blessing you know if donald trump would have won again i don't know if all of

00:08:06.020 this would have been fully seen you know what i mean but now that things uh now the things are

00:08:13.640 progressing as quickly as they are you're hearing things like yeah we should let the baby die if we

00:08:19.940 wanted to abort yeah then if he's born alive then he should die crazy things that we all knew that men

00:08:28.300 can have a baby yeah that we know these things aren't true that pedophilia is somehow okay because

00:08:36.720 we're minor attracted persons right yeah i mean and i i feel like saying look we all knew we all knew

00:08:46.240 10 years ago that stuff's crazy if i would have said it that you're going to be arguing for it

00:08:53.740 you would have called me insane and now you're arguing i didn't change what happened to you yeah

00:09:01.900 yeah and and i think it's happening in many areas across the board and unfortunately what happens is

00:09:12.920 we get numb to it you know it's kind of like the the frog in the kettle right yeah we get numb to it

00:09:19.820 right and for example we're not talking about same-sex marriage anymore right but i mean we

00:09:25.900 we were right but now you know because of all of these other things i said down the road i said on

00:09:32.900 the air when we were debating sex same-sex marriage to me as a more of a rights person i don't what do

00:09:41.600 you do in your life is your do not force my church to do what you want and i won't force your church to

00:09:47.840 do what you want you know i mean or what i want um uh but i said this opens up the door you can't say

00:09:57.100 man and a woman and then not say man woman woman or woman woman woman right you you everything is

00:10:03.920 going to change and you will see pedophilia will start to be normalized and they said how dare you

00:10:10.140 ever say that right right that no and then we say no that's not what we're arguing yes yes that's you

00:10:17.700 know that that whole slippery slope argument that's not what we're arguing for we're just arguing for

00:10:22.580 this not that but the implications are clear and there was a case in new york recently um where i i think

00:10:30.320 there were there was a polyamorous triad three guys right three guys polyamorous triad yeah you know

00:10:36.100 the case and and the judge is essentially pointing to the dissent in obergefeld and saying the dissent

00:10:44.400 is right right when you get rid of the male female requirement the numerosity requirement makes no 1.00

00:10:50.660 sense yep so essentially they're saying that slippery slope that you were arguing that we said was an

00:11:01.100 overreaction yeah it wasn't really an overreaction exactly right now and for a long time in this

00:11:07.100 movement people have been trying to get rid of age of consent laws so we get rid of age of consent laws

00:11:15.300 we get rid of the numerosity requirement and all of a sudden um marriage means absolutely nothing

00:11:23.560 and the foundation of civilization right um is gone yeah i mean you know when you look at

00:11:35.280 there's a lot of things you can look at and say nah that's evil i can see how you get there or

00:11:42.960 you know maybe not or whatever but the things that are happening with children that is the one thing

00:11:49.440 you know christ wasn't really a fire and brimstone kind of guy but it went when he came to harming his

00:11:57.680 little ones better to have a millstone tied around your neck and be thrown into the deepest part of the

00:12:03.040 sea right so how is it so many people are just duped well but listen okay we talk about the the whole

00:12:14.480 idea of the millstone but don't forget sodom and gomorrah right so we we've done this before we've come

00:12:23.360 up to an issue that from a biblical perspective and from an historical perspective was something that

00:12:30.620 was absolutely unthinkable right and and and we cross that line and now you know as we sit here

00:12:39.660 we're having a conversation about another line that we think should never even be approached let alone

00:12:47.720 crossed but what history tells us is it's only a matter of time before we get to that one

00:12:54.860 is it

00:12:58.780 is it exciting to live at this time or is it what is it

00:13:06.000 my father died and i thought you know he he was too young to serve in world war ii yeah um he tried

00:13:14.020 to join the marines in korea but he had flat feet so he couldn't go um you know civil rights thing but

00:13:21.040 he lived up in seattle and yeah you know uh he really didn't have any time where he was pushed up

00:13:28.160 against the wall by society or anything you know and i don't know if you can ever really truly be who

00:13:35.960 you are meant to be until there's a force that is pushing against you yeah so is it a good thing to

00:13:44.900 live you know it is um first of all you know if we believe in in a sovereign god and if we believe

00:13:53.260 um in its providence then we're living exactly when and where we're supposed to be living so that's

00:13:59.500 number one and secondly i i agree with you it's it's not until um we face face pressure and opposition

00:14:08.080 that we actually see what we really believe and what we're really made of and so you know these are

00:14:18.140 frightening times terrifying um but at the same time um they ought to be hope-filled times

00:14:25.760 um for those who live with that kind of hope i can't remember his name do you remember the guy

00:14:30.980 he went blind he was a minister he was in one of the concentration camps and uh he was a pastor and he

00:14:39.040 was he was happy and everybody in his barracks was happy and so they said you gotta you gotta beat him

00:14:45.480 down and they put him underneath the barracks they didn't feed him he went blind but he was still

00:14:50.980 singing in the end singing until they shot him in the head finally same thing with bonhoeffer he thanked

00:14:57.280 his executioner boy i really want to get there i don't know how to get there how do you get there

00:15:05.320 you know only by god's grace i don't i don't think that's something that that any of us um is necessarily

00:15:13.240 prepared for until the time comes you know and um you know we of course we we hope and pray that that

00:15:22.680 the time doesn't come but um god gives us grace for whatever he calls us to i was reading in the new

00:15:33.740 york times this week that uh partial birth abortion doesn't exist 1.00

00:15:40.040 yeah it's apparently just a republican talking point who knew huh really

00:15:48.380 and saying that an abortion where they cut the baby's limbs off and stuff that's just a pejorative

00:15:57.460 oh i thought it was a baby that you were cutting out look

00:16:02.900 life is life

00:16:07.960 and um i i don't want to i mean unless it's a bug i i really don't want to take life

00:16:16.980 i don't especially human life kind of important thing good safety tip

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00:17:48.520 i was at a restaurant um the other night and somebody came in and just gave me the dirtiest look

00:17:56.740 and i'm like okay and then uh i looked around the restaurant and i saw all these young people all

00:18:06.400 these people just out doing their thing don't know how many of them even really know what's going on

00:18:12.820 yeah and i began to think how quickly they could be turned because there's not going to be anybody on

00:18:20.740 the sidelines you can't sit on the sidelines now can you no neutrality is not an option yeah so you have

00:18:28.160 the uh burden of ezekiel on your shoulders how do you wake people how do you how do we wake people up

00:18:40.420 boy um you know ultimately that's not something that we can even do um all we can do is be faithful

00:18:49.520 and all we can do is continue to beat the drum right um all we can do is continue to warn people

00:18:57.640 um all we can do is you know continue to try to be the watchman on the wall i read something that you

00:19:04.060 wrote and it was about not using the name you know not not associate not associating your good works

00:19:10.920 with the name um and uh i thought of unfortunately me a lot of times i i try to look for language that

00:19:21.280 is uniting um and that a lot it has become sin don't say that word sacrifice don't say that word

00:19:31.460 judgment don't say i mean you really you're out as somebody who believes in god you're out of language

00:19:38.340 how important it is is it to use the language what how you but here's what's interesting glenn

00:19:46.720 we we feel like that or we've felt like that but now all of a sudden the other side

00:19:55.640 has absolutely no problem using that language they have no i mean you know gavin newsom

00:20:02.800 puts bible verses on billboards advertising for people to come to california to slaughter their

00:20:11.300 babies right when when when um you know madam vice president wanted to encourage everybody to to 0.99

00:20:18.820 to get the jab um she she no problem quoting scripture in order to do that right the president 0.99

00:20:27.640 has no problem quoting scripture and the press doesn't run around with their hair on fire

00:20:32.420 if you do it on the left because i think they don't i think they think that's just pandering

00:20:36.920 they really do they think well you're just saying that they don't believe it yeah right if somebody

00:20:43.020 believes what they're actually then it's a problem now all of a sudden they run around with their hair

00:20:46.740 on fire so um you know i i think it i think it's important for us to be open and honest about

00:20:54.480 what we believe and where we're coming from and unashamed about what we believe and where we're

00:20:59.120 coming from you know um especially when and i'm i'm you know all this this talk about you know christian

00:21:07.760 nationalism you know um this have you ever heard a preacher preach any of that nonsense well actually i

00:21:16.520 have have you unfortunately you know i have but is it is it prominent but but no no but there

00:21:23.800 but there there are people who do that there are people on the fringes who do that but you know the

00:21:30.320 the the problem with people who are running away from it is that what these people are running away

00:21:37.400 from is our foundations right they're they're trying to act like america has always been this secular

00:21:47.240 republic that never acknowledged god never not right and and the danger in that is we are the freest

00:21:56.680 most prosperous most most tolerant right yeah that's that's who we've been since our our founding

00:22:05.580 because of the foundations upon which we're built right this is the place where you know um jews and and

00:22:17.160 and catholic mormon even i mean everybody right this is the place where people can have that kind of

00:22:25.680 liberty now you and i know who's been to other parts of the world that like that does not exist

00:22:32.960 where does it exist in the christian west that's where it exists and so the great irony is that when

00:22:41.120 we run away from that um we're running away from the very thing that has given us the freedoms that we

00:22:48.200 enjoy so let me ask you is um christianity seems to be diminishing quickly in the west yeah um the numbers

00:22:59.940 are are quickly diminishing um and i in some ways i i wonder how much our churches are responsible

00:23:11.400 some have made it so easy to be a christian that you don't really have to question anything except

00:23:19.060 other people you know what i mean yeah um or they've made it about money and success and um it's not about

00:23:27.300 principles and i don't see i mean i don't like when preachers get into politics but i'm not talking

00:23:35.960 about politics we are so far beyond politics we are in basic bedrock principles yeah and they're afraid

00:23:44.240 to do it yeah well this is where i go back to the unique nature of the american landscape and the fact

00:23:57.640 of the matter is um most of the things that go by the name church um are are not right right um but

00:24:09.940 but there's a remnant and unfortunately most of those people who are being faithful and who are being

00:24:18.260 consistent um are tucked away in places where you don't necessarily know their name and uh as a result

00:24:26.680 of that it it sort of looks like everybody's you know yeah yeah yeah sold the farm and everybody's

00:24:34.640 you know gone astray um doesn't that happen awakenings don't happen in the church usually

00:24:43.360 they hand they they happen outside of the church or at least the big power structure of the church do

00:24:49.920 they not they start with individuals yeah yeah yeah i see what you're saying yeah outside the power

00:24:54.120 structure and start with individuals and start and and really you know kind of go go you know beyond

00:24:59.360 the walls yeah um sort of by by definition right um yeah absolutely and uh yeah the interesting thing

00:25:08.540 though is like like right now we need awakening inside as much as if not more than outside you know over

00:25:19.600 these last couple of years it's been shocking um to see the number of people who have been willing

00:25:26.460 to embrace ideologies that are not just unbiblical but anti-biblical yeah you know that's

00:25:34.840 it's changed it it used to be you used to be able to say well i can see if you're really misguided

00:25:41.880 how you think that way now it's like no this you're not this is anti-christ stuff not the anti-christ but

00:25:50.380 this is anti-christ this is opposite of what the bible would would teach is so it's not like we've

00:25:57.160 decayed and are kind of sloppy on it no no no we've decayed to a point to where there's a side standing up

00:26:04.120 going all of that is evil good is evil and evil is good yeah and i think part of that is because

00:26:12.020 we were kind of lulled into it i mean think think about movies and television and the portrayal of

00:26:20.700 christianity right if there's a positive portrayal of christianity in the movies or on television

00:26:27.980 it's either somebody who's a political leftist right it's it's the minister or the priest who's

00:26:38.600 out there fighting for social justice or it's the person who's running a soup kitchen right um you know

00:26:48.140 or it's the person who's you know running an orphanage or it's the only positive pictures

00:26:54.320 of christianity are those pictures that are social gospel pictures right and if anybody is

00:27:03.960 you know in any way you know conservative or anything else then those are the images of christianity

00:27:11.720 that are basically the christian taliban you know if you will and i think in many instances

00:27:19.300 christians um christians decided no you know we want to be thought well of so we emphasized you know

00:27:28.900 those social issues and social aspects but christ would have us do those things so shouldn't those

00:27:36.120 two sides be the same coin yeah but if you do those without the gospel yeah okay okay yeah yeah right

00:27:46.420 that's my point okay yeah is that those are the only things okay that we're seeing sure and we see

00:27:54.260 those things because of you know the sort of universal brotherhood of man sort of ideas right

00:28:00.880 nothing connected to christ and the gospel right nothing connected to this idea of sin and redemption

00:28:10.640 nothing creating you know nothing that that gets you to you know here's our biblical worldview and this

00:28:17.240 is our response because of our our biblical worldview just this sort of there's the universal brotherhood

00:28:23.900 of man there's a group of people out there who are good people and they're good people because they do

00:28:29.660 these sorts of social things correct right and the christians who join the ranks of these good people

00:28:37.380 and do these good social things are good people not because they're christians but in spite of the fact

00:28:43.440 that they are christians because they've joined this group over here that does these good things

00:28:49.300 and and i think what has happened is there are a lot of people who sort of bought into that

00:28:53.640 yeah and and that's the face that they that they want to show because the new christ is one of just 0.77

00:29:00.580 do good things listen just be good the 11th commandment is thou shalt be nice and we don't believe the

00:29:06.400 other 10 you know it is yeah it is um talk to me a little bit about the you you talked a little

00:29:14.720 bit about the church you're a southern baptist you were you almost became the head of the southern

00:29:21.280 baptist no not quite but you were i don't think that the votes were pretty close and i i don't that's not

00:29:29.540 to disparage the other man or anything but um what what happened what why were you standing up and

00:29:37.700 yeah there's a couple of things that happened there and first i was asked to uh allow my name to be put

00:29:46.000 forward as president uh the southern maps convention and even before i had um processed that

00:29:56.000 you know agreed to it or whatever um the news kind of leaked so the you know left wing progressives

00:30:05.760 within and without this other maps convention just went on the attack i bet they and it it was it was

00:30:12.440 brutal i mean it really was attacks on me attacks on my family attacks it just it was bad and i hadn't

00:30:18.740 even you know i i my hat wasn't in the ring but just because it was rumored um and then what happened

00:30:26.840 is some of the powers that be you know went you know deep into the to the books and the bylaws and

00:30:33.060 you know they said well technically you know because this guy lives outside the country and because he's

00:30:37.620 a member of a church that's outside the country technically um he's not eligible to he's not eligible to

00:30:43.480 even put his hat in the ring and so i thought i thought your hat was in the ring no so what happened

00:30:48.120 was um you know a group of the brethren who had asked me to put my hat in the ring and we basically

00:30:55.140 said okay fine you can't do that but there's another position right um president of the sbc pastors

00:31:01.740 conference which again there's a whole nother story about you know why that would have been

00:31:06.840 significant and so myself and another brother tom askell tom askell accepted the nomination

00:31:13.380 as president of the convention i accepted the nomination as president of the pastors conference

00:31:17.560 really to sort of you know run you know with him um of course we were in anaheim and a little inside

00:31:26.200 baseball here the further the convention meeting is away from the south um the more to the left

00:31:33.780 yeah of course you know tends to be of course so you know we we didn't have much of a shot

00:31:38.660 going to anaheim but um both of us um were willing to do that because we feel like it was

00:31:48.340 it's almost like a last ditch effort um it it's almost like this thing doesn't turn around

00:31:55.260 um kind of like what we were saying about you know america if this thing doesn't turn around

00:32:00.160 um we're in trouble um so we both um a lot a lot ourselves to um to be subjected to that

00:32:07.780 wow you know for for those for those purposes and neither one of us um ended up um so winning

00:32:15.060 those races what it's because your denomination is not alone uh it is infiltrated somebody asked me

00:32:24.800 today how did it even get into the churches liberation theology i'm guessing is that how

00:32:31.580 at first how did how did this perverse anti-christian kind of message or anti-christ sort of message

00:32:40.740 get in i think a number of things and you're talking about do you like the whole social justice

00:32:44.900 all this other stuff yeah i think for many social for many southern baptists let me say two things

00:32:52.160 number one the overwhelming majority of southern baptist churches are not there they're they're

00:33:00.400 just not um so i think so what's crazy is our government is there yeah the vast majority of

00:33:10.800 americans yes are not there yeah but that disconnect between the two yes yes is dangerous it's absolutely

00:33:18.400 dangerous um but i think what what led people to even um entertain this is the subtlety right

00:33:30.640 social justice i mean if you don't if you don't know what that means and you're christian you're like

00:33:38.080 well yeah right anti-racism of course right um you know and so i i can't tell you how many people

00:33:51.160 i've had social justice yeah i've had so many conversations with that and say yeah the label

00:33:56.100 sounds good just like the inflation reduction act sounds good that's not what it is really good

00:34:02.640 yeah yeah yeah inflation reduction act well what does it do um not that yeah it causes more inflation

00:34:10.100 yeah so i i think for a lot of people right um again when you're talking about people who love the lord

00:34:23.740 and who love their fellow man right and they see people in pain right and and and and despair and

00:34:33.900 anguish and people are saying you know there's this injustice out there and we need to be about

00:34:40.440 social justice and racial justice and anti-racism and i think there is a tendency for folks to say

00:34:48.120 yes well yes you know um and and it's not only until later um i was talking to somebody i guess the

00:34:56.520 day before yesterday who was uh in denton and the college student and they were out and you know there

00:35:06.900 was a black lives matter march and so i think he was with his sister or somebody and you know people

00:35:14.080 were like you know black lives matter and they're marching and this and the other and his sister's

00:35:19.800 like you want to join them and he goes yeah i think we should you know and he said they marched for a

00:35:26.940 little while and all of a sudden they realized you know what this might not be what we this might not be

00:35:32.840 what we thought it was right yeah and i think that there are a lot of people who on a you know broader

00:35:40.280 scale had that experience and i i think they began to use the terminology they began to perhaps even

00:35:48.880 you know try to get involved and then slowly but surely the masks came off and they realized that this

00:35:57.120 this is not what we thought it was and i think even more significantly than that the premise

00:36:03.840 was wrong um so people always for me when people start talking about you know racial justice and

00:36:13.560 this justice i i say okay let's back up and tell me how you're defining injustice right and then when

00:36:23.300 they say well we're defining injustice as you know disparate outcomes right we're not saying that

00:36:30.580 there's you know nobody's saying hey there's a lunch counter over there that's saying that people

00:36:36.620 who look like this or belong that they can't come to the lunch counter right because you and i both know

00:36:41.860 if that's the case then we posse up and we go we go we go right go with you they're not saying that

00:36:47.120 they're saying no no no no no there there there's these disparate outcomes right and these outcomes

00:36:53.740 only exist because of the racism that's baked into the system and so we've got to go and deconstruct

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00:39:01.540 most of these marxist things um are really the same aren't they they're just they're all about 1.00

00:39:12.860 tear you apart from your family tear you apart from your own self-worth yeah um tear you apart from

00:39:23.460 uh any kind of religious belief that teaches you that you are unique and special and you know that

00:39:31.920 winning isn't that's not justice justice isn't found in in that stuff um aren't they all pretty much

00:39:41.100 based on just the destruction of the individual at the end of the day they're based on power

00:39:49.940 right and it's ironic because you know what they do is they set up this paradigm and this paradigm

00:39:58.720 says you know everything is about power dynamics and there are these people who have power and they

00:40:05.860 set up the system in order to maintain that power and they oppress people you know who don't have power

00:40:11.860 um and then of course therefore tear them down and give us power correct right because we'll because

00:40:18.860 we'll handle it the right right right we we won't we won't be like them and so essentially it's all

00:40:24.600 about power so you talked about for example you know the the family um and the church and why are the

00:40:33.820 family and the church for example enemies to the marxist because challenge of power yes yes if you 0.99

00:40:43.640 have a family that is raising you in the nurture and admonition of the lord right ephesians 6 4 if you

00:40:52.600 have a church that is proclaiming you know law and gospel and pointing you to faith in christ and

00:41:02.160 developing you know biblical worldview if these things are happening in your life then marxism is not

00:41:09.580 going to be able to get its hooks in you like it can if we can divorce you from your family

00:41:15.640 and divorce you from your your church it's a cult that's exactly what a cult does yes yes yes absolutely

00:41:23.860 and so that's why because it's all about power and it's all about removing those things that that are

00:41:30.280 a threat to that power i think it's important to um which again black lives remember black lives matter

00:41:37.260 on their website before yeah yeah they changed it right destruction of the nuclear family yes i know

00:41:43.060 yes i know so but it's power it's their power yes by disempowering you yes or anyone else that they

00:41:51.520 don't select yes it it takes i mean the world economic forum has been talking about esg and all of this

00:42:01.080 crap and their their goal they say is by 2030 you will own nothing and you'll be happy yeah a i don't 0.60

00:42:10.320 think so yeah um but i do think they could get us to a place to where we own nothing yeah but it has to 0.99

00:42:16.520 be destroy it that you have you can't take that you don't have to destroy it you you just have to 0.50

00:42:24.540 basically um you know take it give it to the state yeah yeah yeah you have to take it or destroy it

00:42:32.980 you know you destroy the individual's ability to maintain or have or any of that i think i said in

00:42:40.320 some of our discussions before that i'm telling people that you know the the three most important

00:42:46.000 books right now are the bible 1984 and animal farm it's crazy we're seeing it you know we're watching

00:42:58.020 it right now we're we're watching the rules on the wall will be changed you know from from from day to

00:43:04.360 day you know um and and and again we're we're watching those people who on the one hand talk about

00:43:12.280 despising um you know power and power dynamics but i do everything that they can to accumulate power

00:43:20.480 for themselves talk to me a little bit about um well first of all the southern baptists do they

00:43:25.780 believe in do you believe in um the rapture well some southern baptists do some southern baptists don't

00:43:35.100 there's 47 000 southern baptist churches and um you know when you start talking about eschatology

00:43:42.260 right and and and in times there's different groups and different camps yeah um and so that's

00:43:48.760 not an area uh where southern baptists um rule one way or another yeah yeah yeah it's yeah i so want

00:43:57.040 this to be true because i have a lot of southern baptist friends and they're like yeah christ is coming

00:44:01.620 and i'm like oh i hope you're true i i hope that he takes me too you know um but i i uh i worry about

00:44:11.720 some of my friends because people have i mean i personally think we're living in the latter days

00:44:16.480 but they've been thinking about that the apostles thought that yeah yeah and if you don't do the

00:44:21.840 things you're supposed to if you're just like the boss is gonna come pick me up before it happens

00:44:25.840 if the bus doesn't show up yeah you're in trouble you're in trouble yeah so um talk to me a little bit

00:44:34.520 about i just i keep coming back to this with you i feel like uh teach us how to prepare how to be

00:44:45.960 obedient what the important obedience and endurance i said to my kids when they were young

00:44:51.560 that's what life is really all about obedience and endurance and they were like dad you make it

00:44:57.500 sound like life's a drag and i'm like if you have those two things down it's not right if you don't

00:45:03.760 recognize that right it's gonna be a hell show right yeah you know i was talking about um second

00:45:09.460 corinthians 10 earlier and you know you continue on in that that that first paragraph there in that

00:45:17.000 chapter you get to this two-pronged approach right and it's you know we destroy every argument and

00:45:26.440 lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of christ and we take every thought captive to obey

00:45:32.720 christ that's what we have to do that's how we prepare and i like to talk about those in reverse

00:45:38.760 number one take every thought captive to obey christ and one of the major explain one of the major

00:45:44.960 problems that we have is that people have not taken every thought captive in other words they have

00:45:52.000 this kind of bifurcated view of life and they say over here yeah is god and over here is jesus and

00:46:01.420 over here is salvation and over here is church right and here's what that spiritual part of my life

00:46:06.400 and then over here is politics and economics and you know all these other things and so we're not

00:46:16.060 bringing this under this umbrella and so we don't have a full-orbed biblical theological understanding

00:46:25.500 of civics for example so i know you're i know you're a history guy right so if we look you know

00:46:33.800 pietism you know takes hold pietism is the idea that basically um you know we're just here to be

00:46:41.860 religious people in church not involved in that secular world or you know whatever right 0.99

00:46:47.420 liberalism let's say you know again we're back 1920s 30s you know liberalism takes hold

00:46:57.980 and the fundamentalists respond j gresham machin and so on and so forth now now fundamentalism is a you

00:47:06.280 know it's a pejorative right but when i say fundamentalism i mean those people who said no

00:47:11.620 to the liberals no we believe in the fundamentals you're denying the virgin birth right you're

00:47:17.820 denying the resurrection you're denying the supernatural so the fundamentalists say no no

00:47:22.180 no we believe in those fundamentals of the faith we move forward you know in history and all of a

00:47:30.180 sudden we get this kind of the sort of religious right movement right now the religious right movement

00:47:36.020 movement um was a powerful movement but it was based on their ability to get people organized and

00:47:44.520 motivated and and and out you know to vote and whatnot but it was a mile wide and half an inch deep

00:47:53.140 the theological foundations weren't there it was just activism for activism's sake it was things are bad

00:48:04.240 we'll give you a voter guide go vote for the guys that we tell you to vote for and then we'll turn this

00:48:11.400 thing around because we voted for the right guys and that's not the answer we have to take every thought

00:48:20.040 captive to obey christ i don't just need to know who to vote for i need to know why i'm voting amen right

00:48:28.380 yes i i don't i don't just i need i don't just need to know i like this policy i don't like that policy

00:48:34.440 what's wrong with this policy like like fundamentally what's wrong with this policy

00:48:41.040 see so i need to all of christ for all of life take every thought captive to obey christ

00:48:47.080 and destroy every argument and lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of god

00:48:54.380 that's the two-pronged war that we fight number one having this you know full orbed well-developed

00:49:03.400 biblical worldview and then number two with that being able to say um no that's problematic because

00:49:13.780 no he's problematic because right it's not enough to just say you know no we're you know going to vote

00:49:23.180 against this that or the other you know we're going to be pro-life why are you going to be pro-life

00:49:27.460 from a biblical theological perspective why are you going to be pro-life talk to me about being

00:49:35.060 created in the image of god and having inherent dignity worth and value right talk to me about

00:49:40.320 the sanctity of human life because of the incarnation of jesus christ who doesn't just come into the

00:49:47.300 world as a full-grown man in order to redeem and ransom humanity he comes as an embryo right

00:49:55.660 thereby sanctifying human life from its very origins and beginnings all the way through to its natural

00:50:06.480 end right so that's the kind of thing i'm talking about we've got to be able to think through these

00:50:11.820 things biblically so that nobody just can can come and you know just drag us by the nose right and for

00:50:20.140 us to be carried away by every wind of doctrine so it's a long way around to answering your no no

00:50:27.280 it's a good answer yeah so take me to and i don't know if you can off the top of your head but take

00:50:33.640 me to you said economics need to be brought under yeah talk to me about our economics what we're doing

00:50:40.640 right now how how is god in that yeah in what we're doing right now or what we should be doing

00:50:49.500 yeah yeah yeah why is this wrong what we're doing right yeah and partly because it's theft

00:50:57.400 right i mean that's that's the main reason that it's wrong is because we're actually taking from

00:51:04.020 people render unto caesar's what do you mean in order in order to in order to give to other people

00:51:10.580 right wait isn't that render unto caesar's um sort of right um but but what are we rendering unto caesar

00:51:18.200 for well why does caesar exist what is caesar's purpose right under when jesus time though caesar was

00:51:29.520 you know what he was not a good no no absolutely but we have to understand what the purpose of

00:51:34.760 government is yes right to protect rights yeah absolutely and to you know encourage what is good

00:51:42.560 and to punish what is evil right um that's that's government's purpose um it's not government's purpose

00:51:52.140 for example to be in the business of praising children it's not government's purpose um you know

00:52:00.160 to be in the business even of taking care of the poor that that's not their sphere right and it's our

00:52:07.300 sphere and the churches it absolutely is so from that standpoint you know abraham kuyper um you had

00:52:16.000 you know the this big idea of sphere sovereignty right god gives us these institutions he gives us the

00:52:21.620 family he gives us the state and he gives us the church these three different spheres right and

00:52:27.560 these three different spheres um have certain responsibilities and they have sovereignty in those

00:52:34.080 you know particular spheres and what we have is we've got these jurisdictional usurpations of

00:52:42.020 sphere sovereignty like the government basically you know usurping the sphere sovereignty of the home of

00:52:50.780 the family so again but just particularly back to economics um the idea of personal property

00:52:59.460 the idea of personal responsibility the idea of you know how is personal property tying to the lord

00:53:08.160 saving yeah well i mean we're told for example in the bible that we shouldn't move you know the you know

00:53:15.560 ancient uh landmarks um you know we're we're the idea of people's property being their own in the new

00:53:23.760 testament you know ananias and sapphire everybody talks about you know ananias and sapphire because

00:53:29.220 you know god judges them because they withheld you know part of the money that they got you know from

00:53:36.140 the sale of their their home the problem wasn't that they you know didn't give that up right

00:53:45.080 peter says you know what before you sold that that was yours but then you sold it and you said that

00:53:55.220 you were gonna give it right right that's where the judgment came but before you sold that

00:54:01.320 that was yours it didn't belong to someone else it belonged to you right um i mean you know the

00:54:11.540 respect for the respect for personal property the stewardship of personal property um you know

00:54:18.020 the parable of the talents you know i mean all of these things um are clearly outlined in the

00:54:26.660 scriptures if we are willing to study to show ourselves approved if we're willing to you know

00:54:32.340 tease these things out and not only that but we also see um the the things that are wrong when

00:54:42.600 government for example begins to usurp the sphere of the family um you know families by the way were

00:54:51.780 meant to be places of um you know not just consumption places of production right um so anyway let me um

00:55:03.260 let me build on that a bit with with this question um

00:55:08.460 how do you how do you balance just recently with now the military

00:55:21.660 military is now flying military members out of state to be able to get abortions so not only is the

00:55:28.380 government paying for the abortion with my money yeah but they're also paying for the flight and they're

00:55:34.960 encouraging all of these things i stand firmly against um and they become abusive really abusive

00:55:45.840 to things that i hold sacred not that i like not that but sacred

00:55:51.120 how do you how do you square that circle with you know obeying your governments yeah

00:55:59.760 here's what's interesting um we're

00:56:03.760 we're not necessarily called to obey our government in everything nobody can command what god forbids

00:56:14.160 and nobody can forbid what god commands okay covid regulations notwithstanding that that was

00:56:21.500 inappropriate the government does not have the right to tell the church that she can't meet for

00:56:25.380 example and i think we have for example in in in acts chapter four we have an example of this when

00:56:33.560 you know peter and and john are told not to you know preach or teach anymore in the name of jesus

00:56:41.800 and their response is right whether it is right to obey you rather than god you be the judge but we

00:56:47.560 cannot stop speaking about what we heard um when the apostle paul is in the in jail in philippi

00:56:54.920 he's been jailed there and eventually they find out that he's a roman citizen

00:56:59.720 and you know okay you go no i'm not going you bring the magistrate here right he jailed me illegitimately

00:57:09.480 right um so as christians um our position is not that the state just you know has the right to do

00:57:21.800 whatever the state wants to do as christians on the one hand no one has the right to command what god

00:57:28.380 forbids or forbid what god commands right um and out of deference to the state we're willing to accept

00:57:34.220 whatever punishment we have to accept when we say no right but on the other hand as citizens

00:57:40.860 we have rights and here's the other thing as americans we're in a very unique position

00:57:48.860 and again all of christ for all of life right

00:57:53.420 most americans look at like romans 13 you know um i think that you're alluding to

00:58:02.480 and they say well you know according to romans 13 you know we have to submit to them guess what

00:58:09.300 as an american do you know what my governing authority is it's not an individual it's god

00:58:15.840 god is ultimately my governing authority but as an american citizen my governing authority is the

00:58:23.260 constitution yes correct that's my governing authority and everybody is held to that governing

00:58:31.480 authority so one of the problems that we have is we don't know what it says so when this person

00:58:39.680 says something that's completely out of line with that well we go oh i guess i'm supposed to do it

00:58:46.440 no what you might ought to do is confront that based on the fact that they are not obeying

00:58:56.360 what we're all you know agreed to obey which is our constitution we are a we're a constitutional republic

00:59:06.640 right there's people going to jail now you said you have to take you know responsibility and they

00:59:13.500 are taking responsibility but they're being unjustly i believe unjustly held 11 years in prison is

00:59:19.500 insanity um it's a misdemeanor if that if that um for what are you for for the abortion the face act

00:59:28.480 have you no no no no oh you haven't heard this no so you know i live in africa yeah i know you live in

00:59:34.260 africa um so the fbi has rounded up 12 11 or 12 people now um one of them is like an 84 year old

00:59:43.300 grandmother who was praying at the entrance of an abortion clinic at the time the abortion clinic

00:59:50.700 came and told them they had to go uh some of them some of them were um hit with a misdemeanor for

01:00:00.800 trespassing i think um and it was over two years ago the doj has started opening up cases now of

01:00:10.220 those misdemeanors that were just misdemeanor and dismissed and they are now charging them with a face

01:00:18.240 act which is blocking the entrance and they are facing 11 years wow our government is completely

01:00:30.000 out of control wow wow wow wow well you know we have a recourse right we have a recourse you know

01:00:39.900 right so at the ballot box right so what so what i have a recourse at the ballot box what i want to ask

01:00:46.540 the jury box i want to ask you because that's my response yeah um but where do you think where do

01:00:54.680 you think the lord stands on difference between protecting yourself and going out and uh creating

01:01:02.620 violence or looking for violence to correct it where do you think the lord is on peace and

01:01:10.540 advancing yeah advancing well we don't look for violence i mean vengeance is mine saith the lord

01:01:16.120 i will repay right so i mean that's a that's a that's a pretty clear line there but at the same

01:01:22.840 time um you know defending our own lives uh that's different you know that's that's if they come for me

01:01:30.380 and they're trying to take my life or take my children's lives i don't have an obligation to let

01:01:35.300 you kill me yes yes yes yes um uh let's let's change the subject to um the culture a bit it is

01:01:47.120 almost impossible to um ride the culture right now i i saw some things on um on twitter yesterday

01:02:00.280 that are happening in our inner cities where 0.97

01:02:05.020 this crowd was just beating this guy down black on black beating him down just kicking him in the head 0.73

01:02:15.000 vicious his his girlfriend wife i don't know came and um actually put her body over his head because 1.00

01:02:24.020 they were kicking him in the head he just lifted up and slapped her out slapped her out knocked her out 0.82

01:02:31.260 i see a video of these guys on stage doing vile vile things on stage um and then the next video

01:02:44.020 related to that was these kids this tall doing that and actually having adults around encouraging it

01:02:52.580 what the hell's happened where how how do we where is anyone stopping this yeah this this is this is

01:03:04.720 that that romans 1 you know this is that that second timothy 3 this is that devolution of of culture

01:03:13.320 and it's incredibly sad um to watch but it seems like it'd be discouraging to watch but it's so

01:03:23.300 discouraging yeah kanye has stood up against this and was brutalized yeah for it yeah um you know and

01:03:31.340 i don't yeah yeah i don't know about i really honestly don't know about kanye where he's at but

01:03:37.420 i mean he at least was speaking out against it yeah and but you know here's the deal that comes from

01:03:45.840 somewhere right um that that comes from brokenness that and it comes from a broken worldview it comes

01:03:56.160 from um a devaluation of humanity um not to mention our fallenness in sin right

01:04:06.440 so you know man is fallen and and sinful that's the problem internally and then the culture is

01:04:15.280 broken and fallen and sinful and that's the problem externally and then what we don't have is we don't

01:04:22.760 have you know the state again that sphere doing and being what it's supposed to do and be right

01:04:30.660 encourage that which is good and punish that which is evil instead they're encouraging that which is

01:04:40.480 evil and often punishing that which is good so that that causes this to mushroom right um and then of

01:04:48.260 course if from the individual perspective we're not coming at that with law and gospel if we're not

01:04:57.100 coming at that with the law that points us to our need for christ and if we're not coming at that with

01:05:02.580 the gospel right that shows how what we need is repentance and faith but instead church just becomes

01:05:11.500 like we talked about earlier just this sort of social institution right um you know or some other

01:05:19.140 perversion you know of this gospel i mean where else are we going to go but see more of this is um

01:05:28.680 how is satan real yes so describe what is the prince of the power of the air who's now at work in the

01:05:40.000 sons of disobedience yeah there there is a there is a real devil there is real evil but you know in

01:05:45.240 in ephesians chapter two those first you know three verses we see this triad right we do see

01:05:58.000 satan we do see the devil um and he is real um he is a fallen angel he is the prince of the power of

01:06:05.760 the air he is at work in the sons of disobedience uh and so father of all lies father of all chaos

01:06:12.720 absolutely absolutely we do see that but we also see the world right this this world this world

01:06:19.800 system that we live in okay that teaches us what to think why to think when to think okay how to think

01:06:27.220 um it teaches us you know what to desire when to desire so we see the world and they also see the flesh

01:06:33.700 we are fallen in adam and we inherit um a sin nature from adam because of our fallen adam now you put

01:06:46.280 these together it's the world the flesh and the devil and that's what gets you this chaos that we find

01:06:55.620 ourselves in and again when we're encouraging that and when we're calling good evil and evil good

01:07:04.100 um we're just we're pouring we're pouring gasoline on that fire

01:07:07.880 the people who are um i think there's a small number of people who know they're doing the bidding of

01:07:20.920 evil um and i don't even know who they are don't i you know but i think there are those who know

01:07:28.640 exactly what they're doing yeah um but most part the others are not

01:07:36.180 is that uh is that why we're supposed to love our enemy

01:07:45.640 because they're by the grace of god go i there's i was just talking to somebody who who wrote um

01:07:53.400 the book uh the oh i can't remember but it's on uh it's on fascism and what we're going through

01:08:04.040 right now and he said there's this not to get into the gnostic kind of belief but there's this

01:08:09.740 there's a percentage of people who when this stuff happens they just and he said i don't know why

01:08:15.520 but they just don't go there they just don't they see the world differently than the 70 percent

01:08:21.540 you know what i mean and they're from the beginning going what are you guys doing

01:08:25.300 um and i don't believe that we were born just knowing i don't believe any of that um

01:08:32.120 but but there's a difference between the leadership and those who have just fallen slowly and don't even

01:08:42.420 know isn't there yeah there absolutely is and most people fall into that category of follower you

01:08:50.720 know and who've you know fallen slowly and don't really know um but but back to your your question

01:08:58.360 about you know loving our enemies that you're right i mean there were for the grace of god go i

01:09:06.600 but also these are people who are made in the image of god there are there are brothers and

01:09:11.440 sisters and he wants all of his kids back these are people who are made in the image of god

01:09:15.060 um and and our our desire my desire for that individual is for them to come to repentance and

01:09:27.240 faith my desire is for their sin to be nailed to the tree my desire is for christ to have the

01:09:35.060 fullness of the reward for which he died that's my desire um now if it were not for

01:09:43.560 the fact that i know that god is going to set everything right then you know i would feel like

01:09:53.220 i had to write every wrong and i would feel like i had to exact vengeance correct i don't

01:09:58.720 right whatever those wrongs are they're either going to be punished um upon that person if they

01:10:06.260 don't come to repentance and faith or nailed to the cross right but in either way it is not incumbent

01:10:14.900 upon me to bring about that judgment and the other thing is again back to what you said there but for

01:10:21.320 the grace of god you know my sin was nailed to the tree yeah okay i i placed my faith in the finished

01:10:28.900 work of christ so i'm not who i am um because i figured it out i'm not who i am because i'm inherently

01:10:37.060 better than anyone um you know i i am who i am and i stand where i stand because of god's grace to me

01:10:45.820 through the person and work of christ so that that that takes away boasting as paul would say in

01:10:52.400 romans right there's no room for boasting right yeah uh you're going back to africa tonight tonight

01:10:59.260 yeah yeah why i mean i used to think you know go to australia go to new zealand now i think no

01:11:09.360 there's really no place there's no place but what do you what do you why africa why the pole um you

01:11:17.460 know i i'm in zambia down in south central africa and um really i i went there to to help start uh

01:11:25.480 the university to help start the african christian university and it it was a fit you know it was a fit

01:11:33.440 my gifts talents abilities and desires um were were just a fit for this need and for this unique

01:11:42.060 opportunity and it is a very unique opportunity in a country about the size of texas um with you know

01:11:50.460 about half the population um it's a constitutionally christian republic um there's receptivity there you

01:12:00.360 know to to the gospel and and there's just there's there's an opportunity um to do something with

01:12:07.200 with lasting impact and you know and so we're there i'm just i i ask you this um because i know why

01:12:16.840 you're there but um you know people who will listen to you and hear you i know that you're like

01:12:22.620 come back to america you're a voice we really need does that ever pull at you no really no

01:12:29.460 it doesn't it really doesn't i think for a couple of reasons one you know i have opportunities to i

01:12:35.920 come back three or four times a year and i'm here for about you know 10 or 12 days during different

01:12:41.240 speaking tours and i get to see and be around um and have relationships with with folks who get it and

01:12:52.620 who are doing incredible work right you what did what did you what did you feel from africa that when

01:12:59.920 you arrived you didn't have locked in do have you learned anything about where we are or what's

01:13:06.540 happening that you couldn't feel or see from across the water i think the speed with which

01:13:16.280 it's happening i come back about once a quarter and it's crazy you know when i see certain things

01:13:25.900 out i was watching um i was watching something the other day i was probably like a football game or

01:13:31.220 something i don't get to watch football games you know so when i'm here you know i go to a restaurant

01:13:36.240 with people and you know how they have the games and i'm the guy who's yeah i just don't get to see

01:13:42.160 them anymore you know i've got 11 days and i saw a commercial i think it was a commercial for

01:13:49.380 you know some kind of pharmaceuticals or something maybe an age drug or something and it was just

01:13:56.500 open blatant um you know just in your face and and i was i'm sitting there you know my jaw

01:14:09.380 practically on the ground yeah and i'm going wait what what what am what am i seeing right now and

01:14:17.120 people around me are going oh yeah you know so i think for me you know being away and then coming

01:14:22.880 back it's good it just really does you know the other thing is um because we moved in 2015

01:14:30.340 so we were there at the end of the obama administration and you know i'm a i'm a news

01:14:40.160 guy you know and talk radio news whatever and i you know i stay up on what's happening and and you

01:14:47.120 know think about things i try to think about things and uh you know and i go over there and i'm listening

01:14:54.840 to you know bbc africa and to their reporting on the obama administration and on america and it's

01:15:03.620 and i'm going what are they talking about like like where where are they getting this from

01:15:12.780 you know and so and then of course you know trump wins and you know talk about people running around

01:15:20.940 with their hair on fire right oh yeah um and so it's just really interesting to be in another

01:15:27.420 country and listen to the way that people um perceive what's what's going on in america and then the the

01:15:38.060 third thing is being in a in a developing country um i have so come to appreciate what we have in america

01:15:50.920 things that people take for granted right such as infrastructure um but not just infrastructure

01:16:00.360 just the cultural differences for example you come to a four-way stop at most places in the united

01:16:10.960 states and people will stop and take turns

01:16:15.340 they don't do that really it's the wild west man wow you know you come to you know you come to it

01:16:25.980 because you know we got your traffic lights but they don't ever work and you know you you come to a

01:16:31.820 stop and you just gotta you gotta you know you just gotta be really careful i have a lot of faith

01:16:37.080 man you know but but that's a cultural thing yeah you know um and and it's those kind of things i've

01:16:45.460 i've just come to you know to appreciate and and also i've come to see what the deterioration

01:16:56.820 you know and the degradation of those things um look like over time um and then on the other side you

01:17:04.560 know i'm in a country um where you know there's certain laws you know in terms of morality and

01:17:11.420 things like that um are more like what we used to have you know here in the united states so

01:17:18.140 yeah i i just i don't know i i see things from a different perspective um you know we've been there

01:17:24.320 for seven years now um and it's just been very interesting to see um the changes um and and and

01:17:32.500 just to become more and more aware of of what it means to be an american i tell people all the time

01:17:39.240 if i've learned anything about living in africa it's that i'm not an african

01:17:43.240 it is great it is great to see you and we've known each other now for two or three years and

01:17:54.040 have never had a chance to sit down face to face it's it's an honor to be your friend yeah it really

01:17:59.420 is and i appreciate i appreciate you know our our discussions whether that happen in front of a

01:18:04.260 camera or behind a camera you know and i'm grateful god bless you thank you that's your brother

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The Glenn Beck Program - October 29, 2022

Ep 161 ｜ How Christianity Was INFILTRATED by Woke Politics ｜ Voddie Baucham ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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