The Glenn Beck Program - Ep 165 ｜ This Famous Musician Risked EVERYTHING to Fight the Woke Mob ｜ Winston Marshall ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

00:00:00.000 Today's guest has achieved the dreams of every musician.

00:00:04.800 He has won Grammys.

00:00:06.040 He shared the stage with Bob Dylan.

00:00:08.480 He's been on Saturday Night Live, played the White House for Obama.

00:00:12.340 He's worked with legendary producers, headlined major festivals, including both Bonnaroo and Austin City Limits two times.

00:00:20.880 His voice, his guitar, his banjo have created music that has debuted on the top of the Billboard 200.

00:00:30.000 I don't know how many times his songs have been played at weddings and dances and graduations and sporting events and funerals.

00:00:37.000 And he always thought his career would stay on course, that he and his bandmates would tour the world until they were like the Rolling Stones and they just dropped dead.

00:00:47.220 Then in 2021, 14 years after co-founding Mumford & Sons, he watched it all vanish like that.

00:00:56.380 Like so many disasters these days, it started with a tweet and it wasn't even an unusual tweet.

00:01:02.960 He had done tweets like this before it was a it was a book review, something that he had read.

00:01:11.140 It was a book recommendation.

00:01:13.180 Ironically, the book is unmasked by Andy Ngo, which details left wing extremism and how it has become mainstream.

00:01:20.980 Well, that didn't go well.

00:01:24.580 So today he's embracing the power of free speech with his new podcast, Marshall Matters on Spectator TV.

00:01:33.100 His guests have included Don McLean, Candace Owens, Jordan Peterson.

00:01:38.020 And like many of them, he was excommunicated from the Church of High Culture.

00:01:43.940 He's fine with that.

00:01:45.400 What good is membership if it demands self-betrayal?

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00:03:47.680 Welcome.

00:03:54.140 Glenn, thank you so much for having me.

00:03:55.540 It's great to have you here.

00:03:57.000 Great to have you here.

00:03:58.120 My pleasure is mine.

00:03:58.960 I remember when I got a very nice message of solidarity from you when I quit my band.

00:04:06.940 And I wasn't actually familiar with your work at the time.

00:04:10.920 You grab on YouTube, they'll educate you quickly.

00:04:13.480 But I was very grateful for the solidarity.

00:04:17.640 I thought it was very sweet of you.

00:04:18.720 Thank you.

00:04:19.620 I try to send something out to everybody who has been cancelled, no matter where they stand, left or right.

00:04:25.980 I find this, as a human being, and also as a dad and an artist somewhat, I find it really offensive what's going on.

00:04:41.680 This is not good.

00:04:44.120 Yeah, you're seeing this across the arts, really.

00:04:46.200 I mean, it's not just in your great country, but also in Britain that artists are getting cast aside for having the wrong opinions or being forced to quit.

00:04:58.460 That's quite a common thing.

00:05:00.180 For example, there's a woman called Rosie Kaye, who I recently interviewed, and she's a choreographer.

00:05:05.620 She had a dance company for 14, 15 years.

00:05:09.320 And because of her gender-critical opinions, she got ganged up on by the entire crew or the entire cast of dancers and was forced to resign.

00:05:17.820 And, you know, she'd put her life into this project.

00:05:22.900 It was her everything.

00:05:24.280 And for artists as well, most artists, they don't make that much money.

00:05:29.040 So you build these things up over a career, and then you have it taken, swiped away from you like that.

00:05:35.360 It's a very, very painful experience.

00:05:37.760 But, I mean, they eventually, it goes around, eventually.

00:05:43.420 I mean, I don't understand how artists in particular don't understand, and even homosexuals as well have been forced into the closet for so long, especially in Great Britain, how they don't understand. 0.96

00:06:00.820 Wait a minute, I shouldn't be doing the same thing that was happening to me, because eventually it just eats its own, doesn't it?

00:06:09.620 I mean, it just eventually consumes, you're never going to be politically correct enough for somebody.

00:06:15.880 Well, I don't fully understand it.

00:06:19.160 What do you mean that, in terms of trying to abide by?

00:06:23.120 By silencing others, especially when you have been silenced, okay?

00:06:27.860 By silencing others, you would think it would be very obvious.

00:06:32.520 That's a bad thing.

00:06:33.980 That's what we've been working on, civil rights.

00:06:37.240 That's what we've been trying to stop.

00:06:39.000 There's a serious free speech issue, and I don't mean necessarily legally, although in Britain, certainly there's been legal issues on free speech where people have been losing their jobs.

00:06:51.920 And police come to the door if you're...

00:06:54.980 That's also true.

00:06:55.840 There's police in Britain coming to the door if you tweet the wrong thing, if you have gender-critical opinions.

00:07:03.940 My gosh.

00:07:05.180 There's certainly examples of that.

00:07:08.320 But there's a culture of free speech that we've lost.

00:07:12.380 So it's not necessarily that we still have the First Amendment, or you have the First Amendment here in the States, but there's this idea, I think, back to when Neil Young said he'd remove himself from Spotify if Spotify didn't get rid of Joe Rogan.

00:07:27.360 Now, of course, I believe in freedom of association.

00:07:30.280 That's totally legitimate.

00:07:31.860 But it's the idea that people...

00:07:36.120 It's not the association.

00:07:37.460 It's the specific speech that people want removed.

00:07:41.220 And for that to come from artists whose very career, who's founded on the premise that one needs to express themselves, how can one express themselves in that climate?

00:07:54.540 How can one create art in that climate?

00:07:56.260 How can one create music, write lyrics, write great prose?

00:07:59.620 It's insanity.

00:08:00.440 And I've been very puzzled within the creative industries.

00:08:05.660 I'm not entirely sure whether there's a large group of homogenous thinkers where, let's say, this progressive thought has really taken hold, or whether a small minority of progressives have real power in self-censoring the masses.

00:08:26.700 It's not entirely clear to me what is going on.

00:08:30.080 There's evidence for both.

00:08:31.380 For example, when I quit, I had many...

00:08:33.880 I quit Mumford & Sons last year.

00:08:35.460 I had many artists messaging me saying they were self-censoring.

00:08:40.700 Hundreds, actually.

00:08:41.480 Maybe I've had thousands of messages from all walks of life and all professions.

00:08:45.880 But artists self-censoring, and it's shocking, and it doesn't mean to be enough.

00:08:50.940 Artists that we would know that would be surprising that they're self-censoring?

00:08:54.540 Absolutely.

00:08:54.940 And I'm not going to betray their...

00:08:56.140 No, I'm not saying.

00:08:56.980 I don't want to help anybody.

00:08:58.120 Because they speak in confidence.

00:08:58.560 But that also speaks for the climate.

00:09:01.320 That they don't...

00:09:02.240 I feel like I shouldn't say their names because I don't want to get them into trouble.

00:09:07.700 Right.

00:09:08.560 That's insane.

00:09:11.160 So, what was the tipping point for you?

00:09:13.900 First of all, you left Mumford & Sons.

00:09:17.220 Mumford's gone.

00:09:18.840 You've written most of the songs.

00:09:21.260 No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:09:22.320 No?

00:09:22.520 So, the band formed in 2007, and originally around Marcus the Singer.

00:09:32.320 He had a bunch of songs.

00:09:33.740 And then, as we grew, it turned out that we all contributed songs.

00:09:38.000 So, I certainly contributed decent songs.

00:09:41.460 And I'm actually now, back here in your great country, playing some of those songs.

00:09:46.600 And I've been playing concerts in California, New York, and Arizona, and playing some of the songs.

00:09:55.140 But the band, we all contributed songs.

00:09:59.480 It's kind of a Queen thing. 0.57

00:10:01.400 What do you mean?

00:10:02.780 Queen, they... 0.91

00:10:03.740 Oh, the band, yeah.

00:10:04.380 Yeah, they never put their name as the author.

00:10:06.880 They just made it.

00:10:07.400 It's true.

00:10:08.000 And we collaborated together, and those songs developed together.

00:10:11.380 And they were shaped live.

00:10:13.940 And they were shaped in this country.

00:10:14.940 We toured America relentlessly.

00:10:17.780 By the end of this trip, I'll have visited 48 states in this great country.

00:10:21.220 Wow.

00:10:21.560 I love this country.

00:10:22.820 What are you missing?

00:10:23.960 Hawaii and Alaska.

00:10:25.440 You've got to see Alaska, Hawaii.

00:10:28.700 Well, it's beautiful.

00:10:30.800 But, boy, that is a progressive city.

00:10:34.960 Really?

00:10:35.480 Oh, yeah.

00:10:36.120 Very progressive.

00:10:37.180 I was very shocked in California.

00:10:38.900 So, I did a show in Los Angeles, a show in San Francisco.

00:10:43.240 And I haven't been back for a while.

00:10:44.880 And every other store in both those cities has some sort of token marker to a progressive course.

00:10:52.700 Whether it's a rainbow flag or a trans flag or a BLM thing or some sort of virtue signaling to an identity group.

00:11:04.380 And it seemed to me, and actually in San Francisco as well, there's a huge mural to Greta Thunberg outside my hotel, like the sort of matron saint of eco-anxiety.

00:11:16.880 And it seems to me, it reminded me about in the scripture when the Jews marked their homes with the blood of the lamb so that the angel of death would pass over them when the plagues were for the firstborn.

00:11:31.300 And it's almost, and I'm sure this is true in Portland, Oregon, it's almost as if people are marking their property so it doesn't get vandalized.

00:11:40.480 Now, I don't want to be so rude about California and America because I absolutely love this country.

00:11:47.500 It's just, as an outsider coming in.

00:11:49.120 No, we've changed.

00:11:49.500 We've changed.

00:11:50.180 And you're spot on.

00:11:51.620 And even during some of the riots, you know, a lot of these were black-owned stores that they burned down.

00:11:57.220 Yeah.

00:11:57.360 And they would, you know, put the plywood on the windows and then spray paint.

00:12:02.480 We're black-owned.

00:12:04.260 Yeah.

00:12:04.480 Please don't burn down.

00:12:06.660 Eventually, they come and eat everybody.

00:12:08.780 What a great analogy of the lamb's blood.

00:12:11.900 Well, this is what's got me into trouble.

00:12:14.260 Originally, the reason I had to quit Mumford & Sons is because I tweeted about a book critical of far-left extremism in the United States by the author, the conservative author, Andy Ngo, journalist.

00:12:24.300 And he documents in that book that the 19 killed in the first 14 days of the BLM riots and the many black businesses ruined and destroyed in the ensuing riots.

00:12:38.660 And just to paint a picture of the climate in the music industry, in June 2020, in that heinous killing of George Floyd happened, the music industry en masse put up black squares and it became a picket line.

00:12:55.460 If you didn't put a black square up.

00:12:56.940 Oh, yeah.

00:12:57.640 If you didn't support Black Lives Matter.

00:12:59.080 The angel of death was visiting your home.

00:13:00.860 Absolutely.

00:13:01.440 Now, here's an example of it.

00:13:02.560 The band Hanson.

00:13:03.440 I don't know if you remember this band.

00:13:04.500 Oh, I do.

00:13:04.780 They're friends.

00:13:07.420 Oh, really?

00:13:07.860 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:13:08.260 They live up the street.

00:13:09.320 Oh, great.

00:13:09.700 Well, you should get them in to talk about this because apparently they didn't exist as a band, didn't put a black square up because they didn't exist.

00:13:19.800 Their fans got so angry at the fact that they had to reform in order to apologize to the mob.

00:13:28.220 And that shows how fervent the time was.

00:13:32.980 So it's mob rule.

00:13:35.140 It really is.

00:13:36.360 Yeah.

00:13:37.580 Mob.

00:13:38.620 Absolutely.

00:13:39.200 So so I got into trouble because I I was I was critical of that specific or the the excesses of it, because if look, of course, we care about black lives.

00:13:50.680 Of course, we want to see every American, every human lifted up.

00:13:54.820 And we want to we want to create a level playing field from which to start.

00:13:58.780 Correct.

00:13:59.440 And we also want cops like the guy who killed George Floyd, want them out.

00:14:05.500 Don't want any bad cops.

00:14:07.380 But they're not all bad.

00:14:09.260 Absolutely.

00:14:09.660 But the problem you get is people want to ignore the bad, the excesses of certain behavior if they believe it's a good cause, which means that bad things happen.

00:14:21.540 Yeah.

00:14:21.740 And that's a serious issue.

00:14:24.780 So now, since I've come out and been in sort of trouble, I feel like it's my duty a little bit to speak out on these issues where I think that there are excesses.

00:14:37.940 And having come from a liberal background, you know, my dad ran for the liberal Democrats in the U.K., I was brought up canvassing for liberals.

00:14:45.380 Hang on.

00:14:45.800 Let's what is a liberal over there?

00:14:48.800 Because the world misunderstands American liberals.

00:14:51.660 Sure.

00:14:51.880 And progressive is different than a liberal.

00:14:54.780 A liberal here should be a somebody who believes in the Bill of Rights and will fight for the rights of the average person.

00:15:03.900 A conservative is, over here, a person that wants the smallest amount of government so it can never get out of hand and do the things that it's doing right now.

00:15:16.720 Progressives are the same in both countries.

00:15:18.900 So is that a liberal to you?

00:15:21.320 So I would distinguish myself as being neither conservative or progressive, but rather a liberal in a classical liberal, British liberal tradition.

00:15:30.180 And I do believe that we need some government because I think that I don't believe in libertarianism.

00:15:37.920 I believe that unchecked and unregulated, the system isn't totally fair.

00:15:44.100 And then I guess there's a bunch of social issues that progressives have gone completely awry on.

00:15:50.660 For example, I wrote a piece on Barry Weiss's Substack and I quoted Martin Luther King and his, you know,

00:15:58.760 I have a dream speech where he said we should judge people by the content and the character and the color.

00:16:03.440 That's trouble.

00:16:03.940 And I was called racist for quoting him.

00:16:06.280 I know.

00:16:06.720 I mean, there's, is that, am I insane?

00:16:08.820 No, no, no, no, no.

00:16:10.000 I saw something the other day.

00:16:11.540 Somebody said, somebody posted a quote on, I don't know, Facebook or something.

00:16:15.560 I thought it was the best.

00:16:16.560 Am I actually a Nazi fascist or just a normal person 10 years ago?

00:16:25.400 You know what I mean?

00:16:26.620 Because everything that you thought and held dear, like Martin Luther King, now you say that.

00:16:33.280 And no, you're a racist.

00:16:35.120 If you're getting called racist for quoting Martin Luther King, I think we can see now what's going on. 0.99

00:16:41.680 Those terms have lost all meaning, fascist, Nazi, racist.

00:16:45.360 And it's really dangerous because once they don't have meaning, racism, fascism, it does exist.

00:16:53.740 Exactly.

00:16:54.400 And if you've made those terms, you know, it's a little boy who cried wolf.

00:16:58.580 If everybody's a racist, then how do we stop real racism?

00:17:02.980 Exactly.

00:17:03.660 How do we identify that?

00:17:04.860 But, and also, frankly, it's, it's a, it disrespects what happened before.

00:17:10.800 Yes.

00:17:11.020 My grandmother was a Holocaust survivor.

00:17:12.460 The idea that I'm called a Nazi now, given that 13 people in my family were obliterated by the Nazis in the camps and the death marches, is offensive to my family.

00:17:24.540 Although, it's so absurd that it's, it's almost beyond offense. 0.95

00:17:28.980 It's like, this is ridiculous. 0.96

00:17:30.200 Yeah. 0.87

00:17:30.620 But it, it, it kind of, it, it, it changes history.

00:17:35.140 It changes how we understand history.

00:17:36.460 So, those, the, the, the, the battle, the word battle, the semantic battles going on now are just very, uh.

00:17:44.520 Insane.

00:17:45.120 Insane.

00:17:45.600 I, I was just, I just had, uh, what was it last week?

00:17:48.580 I had Benjamin Netanyahu on, and he gave me the Defender of Israel award, um, years ago.

00:17:55.020 However, I'm still a Nazi.

00:17:58.020 And we were joking about it.

00:17:59.540 It's like, none of it makes sense anymore.

00:18:02.040 Let's look at what people are doing.

00:18:03.680 Content of their character.

00:18:06.040 I figure I'd have more credibility.

00:18:08.620 Well, maybe if I'm not talking like I'm a chimney sweep.

00:18:13.400 Doesn't work.

00:18:14.820 Man, I wish I had that accent.

00:18:16.480 You'd think I was smarter, honestly.

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00:19:43.660 So, let's finish up on the Mumford & Sons stuff.

00:19:49.380 Because you posted that and then you apologized.

00:19:53.820 Right.

00:19:54.200 So, the story specifically was that through the pandemic, I was posting books I was reading.

00:20:00.480 It was one of the themes of my social media.

00:20:01.880 I didn't have many followers on social media.

00:20:04.340 And I tweeted about books from Mal's Little Red Book to Tolstoy's War and Peace.

00:20:10.040 Whatever I was reading I found interesting.

00:20:12.220 And one of the books, as I said, was Andy Nosebook.

00:20:15.160 And somehow it just completely exploded in a sort of Twitter storm.

00:20:20.960 These things happen.

00:20:22.420 And they say Twitter isn't real life until it's real life.

00:20:25.900 And that's true because initially I was like, it's just a storm.

00:20:28.000 It will pass.

00:20:28.620 But then you get the phone calls.

00:20:30.640 Then you get your friends, people you work with calling you up.

00:20:34.480 Some of them are worried for you.

00:20:35.660 Some of them are worried about what's going on.

00:20:37.760 They don't understand what's going on.

00:20:39.720 And then you slowly see your life unraveling.

00:20:42.440 And fortunately now it's been 16, 18 months.

00:20:45.240 And I built a new life.

00:20:47.100 So, I feel stronger talking about it.

00:20:48.620 But for a long time it was very painful to talk about that time and the coming months.

00:20:53.920 And so, I issued an apology partly because when you're under attack.

00:20:59.280 Let's say if you're at a dinner table and you say something offensive, someone's offended by what you say.

00:21:04.600 You'd say, oh, I'm so sorry.

00:21:06.800 What do I not know?

00:21:08.040 Explain to me.

00:21:08.920 So, I was certainly open to not understanding the full picture.

00:21:13.680 And I wanted to protect my bandmates who were getting pulled under the bus with me.

00:21:20.640 So, I issued an apology.

00:21:23.240 And then in the coming months, gradually and gradually I looked deeper and deeper into the topic.

00:21:31.780 And I realized I hadn't been wrong.

00:21:34.100 I'd called the author brave.

00:21:35.760 Not only was he brave, but he'd been attacked by Antifa mobs in Oregon.

00:21:40.200 But he was then attacked again.

00:21:42.040 Video of that came out again in a hotel.

00:21:46.640 I find him incredibly brave.

00:21:49.320 Exactly.

00:21:50.420 Unquestionably brave.

00:21:52.040 And so, my conscience really started to bother me.

00:21:59.480 I was also frustrated that by, I felt like I was in some way excusing the behavior Antifa by apologizing for criticizing it.

00:22:09.760 Which then made me feel, well, then I'm as bad as the problem.

00:22:13.060 Because I'm sort of agreeing that it doesn't exist.

00:22:18.200 Which I found very frustrating.

00:22:19.160 Another point, by the way, I found it very frustrating that the left-wing media in this country and in my country don't even talk about it.

00:22:27.600 We can all see this footage.

00:22:29.000 We see it online.

00:22:30.700 They don't talk about it.

00:22:32.200 And that's part of my, I think, interest initially in tweeting about Andy's book.

00:22:36.740 Because I think people need to see what's going on.

00:22:39.820 And it's a blind spot there.

00:22:41.580 But anyway, I...

00:22:43.040 Wait, wait, wait.

00:22:43.640 When you say they don't talk about it, you mean the average person talks about it.

00:22:47.560 But in the media...

00:22:48.360 The average person doesn't talk about it.

00:22:50.600 CNN and MSNBC, all of this, if they don't cover it.

00:22:53.280 But Biden, in his presidential election, said it was just an idea.

00:22:57.260 It didn't exist.

00:22:58.500 I mean, did he not see the courthouse in Oregon being burnt down?

00:23:02.340 Yep.

00:23:02.700 Like night after night.

00:23:04.120 You know, all this outrage for the Capitol Hillstorming, rightly.

00:23:08.120 What about the outrage when federal buildings are being...

00:23:10.060 Amen.

00:23:10.240 Now, I know I'm British and it's going to jar with your American listeners to hear a Brit commenting on your politics.

00:23:18.240 But I care about America.

00:23:19.240 I love America.

00:23:20.500 And a successful, great America means a successful, great world, as far as I'm concerned.

00:23:25.360 So I hope you respect that.

00:23:26.560 No, no, no.

00:23:27.320 You're in safe territory here.

00:23:29.900 So then another thing was that there's this essay, and we spoke about this a little bit before speaking now,

00:23:36.480 by Alexander Solzhenitsyn, called Live Not By Lies.

00:23:40.140 And he wrote it, I think, 1973, 1974, when he was expelled from Moscow.

00:23:44.220 He didn't know he was being expelled.

00:23:46.920 He wrote it.

00:23:47.800 It's my understanding.

00:23:48.880 He wrote it thinking that this may be the last communication he's allowed to have.

00:23:55.120 And so he wrote it and released it.

00:23:57.900 And then I think it's the next day he was expelled.

00:24:02.460 Interesting.

00:24:03.080 Yeah.

00:24:03.320 So this essay, which I encourage listeners to read, is about five pages long, includes a paragraph where it says something along the lines of,

00:24:14.980 how dare you call yourself an artist if you are not prepared to live by the truth?

00:24:22.700 And that affected me.

00:24:24.560 And each time I read it, it hit harder and harder and harder.

00:24:26.780 And this apology that was out there that I'd issue, it felt like to me that that apology would detract from all I could create moving forward.

00:24:38.240 Because whatever song I write, whatever prose I write, how can I say that it's true if I have this apology hanging around my neck?

00:24:49.220 You are so rare.

00:24:49.500 You are so rare.

00:24:51.240 So eventually I decided the only way out of this was for me to quit.

00:24:59.000 Now, for context, the band had been told by several radio stations they wouldn't be played again.

00:25:04.720 I was due to play a DJ, a festival in the UK, and they dropped me.

00:25:08.900 There were repercussions, professional repercussions for my opinion.

00:25:12.380 And if I had been a sole actor, things would have been very different.

00:25:15.700 But I had a responsibility to them, and I didn't want them to be harmed for my opinion.

00:25:20.800 So I felt the best way forward, the only way forward really, was for me to quit.

00:25:27.280 And I explained so in a medium letter.

00:25:31.260 My objective was to clear my conscience.

00:25:35.220 I wasn't sleeping.

00:25:36.100 I lost a ton of weight.

00:25:37.060 I was losing my mind a little bit, and even making myself lose my mind.

00:25:43.420 I was like, am I crazy?

00:25:44.060 Everyone's telling me I'm crazy.

00:25:45.540 Then you start, you know.

00:25:46.580 I tell you, when you first go through this, I talk to people who say, oh, no, it doesn't bother me at all.

00:25:52.400 I don't think about it. 1.00

00:25:53.640 You're either a liar or you're really shallow. 0.98

00:25:56.520 Because in 2007, there's this Associated Press poll that comes out, most admired men in the world. 0.97

00:26:04.800 I was tied for third with the Pope and Nelson Mandela.

00:26:09.700 That's how sick America was, okay? 0.92

00:26:11.400 And I'm like, what?

00:26:13.080 I do the same show.

00:26:14.400 I was on CNN.

00:26:15.340 I do the same show over on Fox.

00:26:17.040 The next year, I'm one of the most hated men in America.

00:26:19.540 You want to talk about schizophrenia? 0.98

00:26:21.300 I go through this, and, you know, when you have a good majority of people saying, you're a racist, you're a bigot, you're a Nazi, you're this.

00:26:32.400 If you're a thinking, feeling human being, you take that at some point and go, I don't think I'm that.

00:26:42.200 How are they getting that?

00:26:43.620 What are they?

00:26:44.020 And you do an inventory of your life.

00:26:47.900 Yes, you do.

00:26:48.320 You know what I mean?

00:26:49.080 And that's one of the good things, I think, that comes out of this for the individual.

00:26:54.120 You come out stronger because you know who you are.

00:26:59.500 You most certainly do.

00:27:00.640 And actually, to be totally honest, I don't care that much, or perhaps at all, what random people on Twitter I don't know or may think.

00:27:08.820 But I do care about what the people around me and the people who I love and who say they love me care.

00:27:14.980 So when they're doing it, it's very painful.

00:27:17.580 So for me, that's what I think affected me.

00:27:25.840 But what kept me strong and what has given me sucker through all of this is my faith in God.

00:27:31.960 And that has been the foundation in my family.

00:27:37.280 I have a very tight-knit family.

00:27:39.320 I'm very close to my mom and dad.

00:27:40.920 So that's what gets you through those difficult times.

00:27:44.620 And had I not had God, had I not had Christ in my life, I'm not sure how I could have got through that period.

00:27:51.700 I don't want to take too much of a sidetrack on this, but this is the third time you've mentioned God, and then you mentioned Christ by name.

00:27:59.220 And it's my understanding that you have always said you're not a Christian, you're not religious, but you're spiritual, you're...

00:28:09.840 So I was raised by a Catholic mother and a Protestant father in a sort of ecumenical household.

00:28:17.860 I lost my faith aged 18, 19, and had my 20s, I would say, without faith, at points atheistic, at points agnostic.

00:28:29.240 When I was an atheist, I probably had too many morals for an atheist.

00:28:32.720 That's not a dig at atheists.

00:28:35.500 It's more that I do think we need a metaphysic in which to build an ethic and a moral.

00:28:42.040 Jordan Peterson talks about it, and I believe this.

00:28:44.300 I happen to believe it's all true, but even if it's not, it's made me a better person.

00:28:49.060 Your faith?

00:28:49.980 Yeah.

00:28:50.440 How so?

00:28:51.380 How so?

00:28:52.220 Yeah.

00:28:53.540 It gives me someone to answer to that's not human.

00:28:57.520 It gives me someone to model myself after.

00:29:01.740 I mean, you know, you look at God and you just think of him as a dad.

00:29:04.760 That's a pretty good model, you know, of, especially when you start to have children, you never stop loving your children.

00:29:14.660 No matter what they've done, you are always open to, come on back.

00:29:19.620 Come on back.

00:29:20.700 It's no big deal.

00:29:21.980 Did you know you screwed up?

00:29:25.300 Do you know what happened?

00:29:26.960 Come on in.

00:29:27.520 I'm not judging you.

00:29:28.640 I'm not.

00:29:29.040 I've been there.

00:29:29.660 And that's a really good model for, I think, for a parent and for a human being.

00:29:37.240 Yeah.

00:29:38.760 Okay.

00:29:39.400 So did you, did.

00:29:41.540 So just to finish that, I came back to my faith having gone through the experience of divorce.

00:29:48.340 And I would say that philosophically, I was at the church door beforehand.

00:29:53.100 Yeah.

00:29:53.320 And through people like Jordan Peterson, his, his biblical series is great, exceptional.

00:29:59.560 And it, it, it brought me back to scripture, but it was through the, the, the experience of suffering that I actually came back fully spiritually to Christ.

00:30:11.220 And, and thank God I did because the, the period, it wasn't long too, too long afterwards that I went through, I went through, and as I said, had it not been for him, I'm not sure I'd have fared so well.

00:30:22.560 Yeah.

00:30:23.360 I, I, I'll tell you, I just, again, off subject here.

00:30:27.100 Um, I just read second Chronicles this morning before I did my show and it was, uh, chapter 15 starting, I think at three.

00:30:37.480 And it, and it basically says, it describes today.

00:30:40.820 And it's like the people had lost the God, the true God.

00:30:44.860 They've lost the truth.

00:30:46.560 And, uh, nations were rising up against nations.

00:30:49.960 It was, it was frightening to be out on the street, very dangerous to be out.

00:30:55.440 Um, and then it said, uh, and then because of all this, they found the God of Israel again, you know, uh, still a lot of price to be paid.

00:31:07.080 But the, the message in it was, um, so don't give up.

00:31:11.680 Your work will benefit in the end.

00:31:16.060 Uh, and I thought that's, I think that's what's happening in the world.

00:31:19.820 We've just, we've made other things our God.

00:31:23.480 And when you make other things, your God, well, if it gives me great stuff and all I have to do is this, that's great.

00:31:31.560 Yeah.

00:31:32.060 You know, well, I've seen, I've seen, I've seen that not only in my own personal life.

00:31:36.280 Like I, there was a period I made work, my God.

00:31:38.580 And I was, I was quite literally addicted to touring and getting in the studio and working and working.

00:31:44.020 But then if you talk on mass and, and I just had Michael Schellenberger, uh, environmentalist, um, on my, on my show.

00:31:52.740 And he describes the environmentalist cause as a surrogate religion.

00:31:57.000 And it's very true because we have lost God and there are people don't have the belief like, uh, that we used to in the West.

00:32:05.500 And so they're replacing it with these, these other causes.

00:32:08.540 And like I described earlier, it's, it's, it's, it's biblical how people are putting tokens outside their, their shops.

00:32:15.140 And, and it's, it's biblical to put a mural of Greta Thunberg as if, you know, like she's the Virgin Mary or something, an innocent, an innocent girl.

00:32:24.940 There's all these weird equivalents, but it doesn't have the found push for abortion.

00:32:30.440 The way it's being done now, just this bloodlust almost is, uh, uh, is, is Moloch.

00:32:38.480 I mean, it is old Testament worship, just not done intentionally, but we are doing the same thing.

00:32:45.880 We are worshiping other gods, whether we know it or not.

00:32:49.160 When the alarm clock goes off in the morning and you open your eyes is pain.

00:32:53.500 The first thing you think about used to be for me, I would get up every day and I'd be like,

00:32:57.860 and all I would want to do is get back into bed.

00:33:01.040 And I would be like, I don't know how I'm going to get through the day, but I'll get through it and I'll come back and I'll sleep.

00:33:09.500 Um, it was a problem that I thought would never go away.

00:33:13.380 And it's a problem that I don't have anymore because I started taking relief factor and I got my life back.

00:33:18.960 I can paint, I can write, I can even think in the morning without, you know, the first thing, ow, I hurt.

00:33:25.160 Relief factor.

00:33:26.680 I want you to try it for three weeks.

00:33:28.200 Just go to relieffactor.com.

00:33:29.860 That's relieffactor.com.

00:33:31.960 Uh, order their trial pack, try it for three weeks.

00:33:34.600 See if it doesn't take away your pain.

00:33:36.240 That's relieffactor.com.

00:33:40.320 So let's go back to my friends.

00:33:43.660 Um, you've been friends with the band, with bandmates.

00:33:48.540 I mean, your bandmates were your friends, right?

00:33:51.340 Yeah.

00:33:52.940 I was surprised to see that at least it, it felt, it felt this way to me that, uh, they didn't rally around.

00:34:01.380 We, we, we know him.

00:34:03.560 Did they?

00:34:05.940 I wish them very well.

00:34:07.860 They're incredibly talented musicians and artists and songwriters.

00:34:12.340 And I have no doubt that they will have very important careers and, and they, I hope they continue to great, make, create great, uh, and, and I would hate for, uh, anything I do to impede that.

00:34:27.360 So, uh, you know, I really, I really wish them well.

00:34:29.520 Um, that is the nicest, most Christian thing I think you could say.

00:34:37.000 Um, so you leave and, uh, you know, the good thing is there's a lot of openings for banjo players.

00:34:47.360 You know, there's no job competition.

00:34:49.100 This is where I started with the banjo because in London, no one played it.

00:34:52.880 So I, if I got myself into a band, there'd be no one to take my place.

00:34:56.680 I didn't have to be good.

00:34:57.580 I was terrible at guitar.

00:34:59.580 And so I never got a gig.

00:35:01.660 Um, so yeah, no, you're not, you're not, you're not wrong.

00:35:04.920 Um, but, uh, yeah, I, as I said, I think earlier, I, I, I'm, this is my first time playing.

00:35:12.260 I'm, I'm doing, I'm playing songs that I've written over the years.

00:35:15.020 I'm, I, I, uh, I've brought a banjo.

00:35:17.900 I know you didn't bring yours from London.

00:35:19.400 Glenn, your, your colleague.

00:35:21.620 Yeah.

00:35:22.100 Brought a banjo made in China.

00:35:24.360 Now.

00:35:24.800 Well, he's fired.

00:35:27.580 It's listening to you right now.

00:35:32.560 Exactly.

00:35:33.620 Although in gold tone, I think it's a Florida base.

00:35:36.680 I used to play gold tones.

00:35:38.000 It's a Florida.

00:35:38.500 So they're designed in America.

00:35:40.400 Yeah.

00:35:40.920 But, uh, but manufactured in, in China.

00:35:43.940 Now we like the Chinese, but it's the CCP. 0.98

00:35:46.580 Yeah.

00:35:46.780 We have a problem.

00:35:47.400 So, uh, we want to make sure.

00:35:48.960 You know, have you ever thought they have this conversation with people all over the country?

00:35:53.280 You know, Glenn, I think if we just all got together in our town, we could probably fix

00:35:58.500 this in about 20 minutes.

00:36:00.140 Uh, it's just, the people are starting to wake up.

00:36:03.980 It's not the parties per se.

00:36:06.940 It's not the, the, um, it's not ethnic base.

00:36:12.180 It's nothing.

00:36:12.960 It's governments.

00:36:14.560 Absolutely.

00:36:15.340 They are the problem with the people and they just think that it's like we're on a,

00:36:21.440 in a stage play and we don't, we don't know we're in a play and they do, you know, it's,

00:36:26.800 it's really nuts.

00:36:27.920 It's not too hard to make the definition.

00:36:30.180 Actually, I work a lot with, with technically ethnically Chinese, but Hong Kong is in Britain.

00:36:35.000 I have a foundation, uh, an organization pairing.

00:36:37.820 Hong Kong is fleeing the CCP who are taking over Hong Kong and they're coming to Britain and

00:36:42.780 we're helping, helping them assimilate and integrate, uh, any British listeners.

00:36:46.760 We need volunteers.

00:36:47.700 So Hong Kong link up.

00:36:48.960 Let us know when we can help you.

00:36:50.740 Yeah.

00:36:51.040 Um, but, uh, yeah, the CCP are horrible. 0.85

00:36:55.480 Yeah.

00:36:55.940 And unfortunately I didn't understand when all my big, big business friends said to me 20

00:37:02.040 years ago, you know, China is the model.

00:37:04.600 I remember saying, that's not a very good model.

00:37:08.560 And they're like, well, it's works over there and it's really the model of the future.

00:37:12.780 Now we're seeing where it really is the model.

00:37:16.520 I mean, we are moving towards that kind of a state, which is terrifying.

00:37:21.620 Well, uh, what, what's particularly terrifying, I think something I can speak on specifically

00:37:27.960 to the, um, CCP it's, it's not only Hong Kong, but the Uyghurs. 0.87

00:37:33.140 So I've been trying to raise awareness for the Uyghurs and it's so difficult to do this

00:37:37.800 and I can't quite work out why, but there's between one and 3 million Uyghurs interned

00:37:42.880 in camps in, in Western China and Jingjiang.

00:37:45.660 No, no, China, the CCP says it's not true.

00:37:48.420 Those were just, we've seen the videos.

00:37:50.200 I know.

00:37:51.100 You're an apologist for the CCP now, Glenn.

00:37:53.200 What's going on?

00:37:53.900 This is quite a turn.

00:37:54.540 I love the video they just put out with some guy on the street and he's like, you know,

00:37:59.320 there's all these things that are being said about us and here in China.

00:38:02.180 No, look, here's a Uyghur man who's happy.

00:38:05.360 And you're like, I think I saw this movie done by Goebbels.

00:38:08.900 Yeah.

00:38:09.180 Quite, quite.

00:38:10.060 Yeah.

00:38:10.720 A town for the Jews.

00:38:12.240 Yeah.

00:38:12.400 And, and, and, and not only are the videos, but there was, we did the, we had a Uyghur

00:38:16.960 tribunal in, in the UK with testimonies of people who have fled and, and, and escaped.

00:38:21.820 And, and this is the sort of tyranny of the CCP.

00:38:25.740 And it's not just them.

00:38:26.640 It's the Tibetans, the Mongolians, the Hong Kong, Hong Kongers, Taiwan's next. 0.97

00:38:31.360 That's only a matter of time.

00:38:33.880 I'm, I'm very surprised by how little concern my generation and younger have for the CCP.

00:38:40.720 And I'm not entirely sure why that is.

00:38:43.020 I've been thinking about that.

00:38:44.160 Like what, why is it?

00:38:45.340 Well, part, partly I think because China is culturally so, so alien from us. 0.96

00:38:51.740 Like the language is impenetrable and impenetrable is wrong, but it's, it's, it's certainly very

00:38:59.080 difficult.

00:38:59.460 I've tried to learn it.

00:39:00.300 It's the hardest language I've ever tried to learn.

00:39:02.820 And a lot of their culture doesn't come over.

00:39:06.660 I mean, of course their food and, and, um, some of the religious stuff comes over, but

00:39:12.120 why is it that the, but people in Britain, for example, will march the streets when George

00:39:19.320 Floyd, 5,000 miles away gets brutally murdered.

00:39:22.820 But then I went on a Uyghur march in, in parliament square in Westminster, the same, uh, two months 1.00

00:39:30.360 later where 3 million Uyghurs are in, in, in, in these internment camps.

00:39:35.440 And there's 25 of us.

00:39:36.980 How is it that there's this attention given to American problems, but no attention.

00:39:43.480 This is the same problem.

00:39:45.720 Um, uh, gosh, what was the name in England?

00:39:49.180 I feel bad.

00:39:50.220 I, I, I can't remember it right now.

00:39:52.040 The guy who stopped slavery, William Wilberforce, Wilberforce, this is the same problem that Wilberforce

00:39:57.640 had, you know, how do I get people to pay attention and say this slavery is wrong?

00:40:02.860 The problem with it is, is so ugly.

00:40:05.760 No one wants to deal with it.

00:40:07.180 It's so ugly that no one thinks that they can actually affect it.

00:40:11.260 And you know, I'm getting my stuff cheaper.

00:40:14.780 So, I mean, it's this weird moral quagmire.

00:40:20.380 Wilberforce, if you bring that up.

00:40:21.940 So the people of Britain at the time went on a sugar strike where they refused to buy sugar

00:40:27.440 as a, to signal that they were disapproved on mass.

00:40:31.020 They did this to disapprove of the slave trade.

00:40:33.280 So he managed to get the, the, the attention of, of the masses on, on that deplorable, uh, trade.

00:40:43.600 What seems to be so impossible with not just the Uyghurs, but any of the behavior of, of, of the CCP 1.00

00:40:50.400 is to actually capture the imagination of the masses in the West.

00:40:54.180 It just, it just doesn't happen.

00:40:55.760 And I don't know if we need some kind of horrible footage, but we've got footage of the Uyghurs. 1.00

00:41:00.280 Oh no, it's bad.

00:41:00.860 So, and we've got footage of Hong Kong and we, and we know what's going on over there.

00:41:03.960 So why it's not, it's, it's still a bit of a mystery.

00:41:07.320 And perhaps that's because there's some sort of, go ahead.

00:41:10.420 There's some sort of, you know, when there's, when there's a social justice cause, one feels

00:41:14.420 like one has to go along with what's been presented unquestionably.

00:41:18.180 And so, because there's no one's really presenting the, the case for the Uyghurs or actually that's

00:41:23.580 not true.

00:41:23.980 I've been trying, but, uh, because it's not a popular movement, people aren't, you know,

00:41:28.740 correct going along with it.

00:41:30.440 I'm not, I'm not sure I know.

00:41:31.980 Yeah.

00:41:32.380 Um, I think we're at the beginning of this fight.

00:41:36.940 Remember, this is, I mean, I'm a, um, I've studied the Holocaust quite a bit and, um, it's

00:41:45.220 not much different than what Americans were doing in world war two.

00:41:49.220 You know, you'd have it.

00:41:50.920 I mean, you, you had the information.

00:41:53.100 We had it, went to our president, went to everybody.

00:41:55.280 It was in the papers.

00:41:56.220 New York Times just kept burying it and even Jews here, not all of them, but even a lot

00:42:02.420 of Jews here were like, let's not cause any problems.

00:42:05.740 We don't, you know, it was, it's a weird thing that, that humans do from time to time where

00:42:12.720 they can, they can look away, uh, from that, but there'll be one person over here that is,

00:42:20.620 you know, George Floyd.

00:42:21.340 So it's bad, but in comparison, we don't want to either of them, but this one is horrifying

00:42:29.780 because it's happening all the time, every day, 24 hours a day to millions of people.

00:42:35.420 And somehow or another, we can see this, but we can't see that.

00:42:38.620 Yeah.

00:42:39.320 Now we might, and there's, there's good reason to, to march at, uh, the injustices that, uh,

00:42:46.000 blacks are facing here and elsewhere.

00:42:47.440 And, and, uh, and George Floyd, it's not a criticism of that necessarily.

00:42:51.880 It's more a criticism of the lack of protest anyway.

00:42:55.880 So, yeah.

00:42:56.280 And it's, I think we're just at a better place now than, you know, in the 19th, it's not

00:43:02.560 the 1960s anymore.

00:43:04.120 There's that, that's a past generation.

00:43:07.040 And, uh, I think there's a lot of people who truly are colorblind.

00:43:13.200 They saw, they listened to Martin Luther King and they, they're, I'm with you.

00:43:17.600 I'm with you.

00:43:18.540 I don't, I don't want any of that to happen.

00:43:21.660 Um, and yet I think it's our politicians that are, and people who are craving power or money

00:43:27.740 or whatever that are separating us for the most part.

00:43:32.160 I noticed you put the banjo down, so you're not going to play the banjo.

00:43:34.640 Well, I didn't bring my finger picks, uh, but, uh, um, wow.

00:43:39.080 Uh, you know what?

00:43:40.580 Invite me back and, uh, I'll do a little show for you.

00:43:44.220 So, um, you just had somebody I have wanted to have on my show forever.

00:43:51.240 Uh-huh.

00:43:51.620 You just had him on your podcast, Don McLean.

00:43:55.240 Oh, yeah.

00:43:56.220 What a total legend.

00:43:58.720 Unbelievable.

00:43:59.680 Yeah.

00:43:59.860 Did you ask him about, um, uh, Bye Bye Miss American Pie?

00:44:04.740 What is that?

00:44:05.240 American Pie.

00:44:05.720 Yeah, American Pie.

00:44:06.280 Yeah, yeah.

00:44:06.720 So that song's now 50 years old.

00:44:08.820 I mean, it's, it's the, surely it's the number one song in the, in the American songbook.

00:44:14.820 Yeah.

00:44:15.180 And he, he actually, it was interesting.

00:44:17.760 He talked about it in, in, he likened, and I encourage people to listen to the episode,

00:44:23.300 but he likened to the cancel culture stuff.

00:44:26.460 He said, I was writing about this 50 years ago.

00:44:28.420 He was.

00:44:28.640 And, and it's, and the day the music died, and he's like, that's, this is, this is what's

00:44:33.060 happening for cancel culture.

00:44:34.160 And so he's, he's a very switched on, um, gentleman.

00:44:38.240 And, um, and you know, what a career he had.

00:44:40.840 And he was, when he started, he would do these tours up and down the Hudson River with, um,

00:44:46.120 with Bill Monroe.

00:44:47.540 Bill Monroe, famous communist and, and, but also great pioneer of the banjo for his sins.

00:44:53.180 He wrote this superb introduction.

00:44:55.080 I can't imagine a communist with a banjo.

00:44:57.780 It just doesn't seem.

00:44:58.800 Oh, there are lots.

00:44:59.440 There are lots.

00:45:01.020 Oh no, sorry.

00:45:01.920 It's not Bill Monroe.

00:45:02.700 I made a total mistake.

00:45:03.620 It's Pete Seeger.

00:45:04.520 Oh, okay.

00:45:04.980 Yeah.

00:45:05.200 Forgive me.

00:45:05.800 Yeah.

00:45:05.980 Yeah.

00:45:06.080 Yeah.

00:45:06.180 Pete Seeger.

00:45:06.720 Uh, not Bill Monroe.

00:45:07.640 Yeah.

00:45:07.840 Um, I don't know if, uh, politics, uh, Pete Seeger, um, uh, that's a terrible mistake to

00:45:14.400 make.

00:45:14.500 This land is your land.

00:45:15.480 Um, so, uh, they, and Seeger would do these tours with, with musicians and professors, intellectuals

00:45:24.100 and poets and bring, and bring these people together.

00:45:26.800 And Don McLean was about that.

00:45:28.000 And he was brought up in that, um, environment.

00:45:31.600 And back then it was them who were being made to shut up.

00:45:36.180 It was, it was the, the leftists who were told by, uh, majoritarians on the right.

00:45:42.300 And this goes on later as well in, into the eighties and nineties.

00:45:45.760 Uh, um, and was it Tip Gore, Al Gore's wife?

00:45:49.060 Yeah.

00:45:49.980 Yeah.

00:45:50.380 She was the one that wanted to, you know, shut up ice tea and, and, and, and, and it's 0.99

00:45:56.140 normally come or sorry, not normally in, in America.

00:46:00.040 It seems traditionally it's the, this moves against free speech have tended to come from

00:46:05.260 the right, but that's, I think completely changed now.

00:46:07.380 And it's, it's coming from the progressives, not the liberals.

00:46:10.460 Cause if you're a liberal, if you actually are a liberal, you believe in free speech.

00:46:14.540 Right.

00:46:14.700 Otherwise you're not a liberal.

00:46:15.660 I'm sorry to break it to you.

00:46:16.820 I consider myself a classic liberal, you know, just, can we just leave each other alone?

00:46:22.240 Just leave each other alone.

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00:47:42.140 So you started your podcast.

00:47:46.180 Yeah.

00:47:46.780 So I've been having a great time.

00:47:48.200 So it's called Marshall Matters with The Spectator.

00:47:50.860 And I should say my agenda in coming to your show is to plug my show.

00:47:56.360 Okay.

00:47:56.760 Just as, as, just, there's no secrets.

00:48:01.580 But I've been having a great time and exploring all the taboo topics that artists don't feel

00:48:07.200 like they can speak.

00:48:08.380 I just actually had a great Irish artist, I won't name, but text me saying, I'm so happy

00:48:15.320 you're talking publicly about this gender critical stuff because the trans stuff is one of those

00:48:19.900 issues.

00:48:20.180 And I understand it's the same here in America that you just cannot talk about it.

00:48:24.940 And, and JK Rowling's the famous example.

00:48:27.460 I think it's worse over there.

00:48:29.260 I mean, this is hard to say, but I mean, what they're doing to JK Rowling is insane.

00:48:35.000 Yeah.

00:48:35.740 Insane.

00:48:36.380 Yeah.

00:48:36.540 She gets, uh, death threats, uh, people not working for the actors.

00:48:40.620 What does the average person over there think about that?

00:48:43.320 Or are they afraid to say?

00:48:45.000 That's a good question.

00:48:46.140 You know, the, the leader of the opposition, Sir Keir Starmer, who's runs the labor party,

00:48:50.840 uh, which would, I guess it's not quite equivalent to the Democrats, probably a bit more left.

00:48:57.480 Um, well, I can't say that anymore.

00:48:59.340 It's changed now, but, um, he couldn't answer the question.

00:49:03.040 What is a woman? 1.00

00:49:04.360 And I think the, the average person probably sees that I'll take your, I'll take your party

00:49:09.320 and raise you a Supreme court justice that can't do it either over here.

00:49:12.900 Right.

00:49:13.300 Okay.

00:49:13.560 Wow.

00:49:13.820 Um, uh, well, I think when the, the average person sees that, I think they don't understand

00:49:20.240 the gender wars and that they don't care. 0.75

00:49:22.540 They've got real problems to deal with.

00:49:24.800 But when they see that, they think, is he in light?

00:49:26.980 Is he mad?

00:49:27.820 Why can't you answer that basic?

00:49:29.140 Why is that a basic question?

00:49:30.300 Right.

00:49:30.420 And then if, if you can't answer a basic question like that, how are we supposed to believe

00:49:34.680 you on anything else?

00:49:36.000 So I think, I think, I guess that's what most people think.

00:49:38.900 However, I think also now that women are being attacked in prisons, uh, rapes in this

00:49:48.480 country, uh, in New Jersey, it was, it was a Demi minor who raped and impregnated two women 0.57

00:49:54.400 in a female prison. 1.00

00:49:56.280 We have, uh, equivalent Karen White in, in, in Britain, but, uh, women's play, uh, spaces 0.99

00:50:03.500 are, uh, threatened.

00:50:05.000 Women are threatened. 0.87

00:50:05.940 We need to protect our women.

00:50:07.060 Uh, the, then there's what's happening to children, the puberty blockers in Britain.

00:50:13.300 That's been paid, uh, puberty blockers and irreversible surgery in Britain.

00:50:17.440 That's been paid for by the state.

00:50:19.560 Right.

00:50:19.860 Right.

00:50:20.060 That's not starting to do that now, but you guys are stopping it.

00:50:23.780 So yes, this is, what's been encouraging is that, that the Tavistock center, which, uh,

00:50:28.880 which was the center undertaking this, this behavior, this surgery has been told to close

00:50:34.660 by next year.

00:50:35.260 So that's a, uh, a small, a small victory.

00:50:38.640 Um, uh, and so I, I'm hopeful that we're going in, in the right way, but didn't the NIH

00:50:43.560 come out and say, there's no reason for this.

00:50:45.840 I mean, I thought they took a harder line on it and just shutting down that clinic.

00:50:49.360 Okay.

00:50:50.080 I thought they were safe.

00:50:50.900 What's the NIH?

00:50:51.620 Sorry.

00:50:51.880 Or the NHS.

00:50:53.280 Yeah.

00:50:53.920 Yeah.

00:50:55.180 I've, I've understood that it's, it's due to close.

00:50:58.560 It's been told to close.

00:50:59.740 Um, I think there are some people trying to defend it still, but, uh, I think it will,

00:51:03.920 it will, um, close.

00:51:06.140 Uh, so.

00:51:07.240 Not to stop.

00:51:07.820 But, but, but I think people, when they start seeing that, they see, they see their, their

00:51:12.860 wives and their children threatened this way.

00:51:15.240 Men stick up for it.

00:51:16.480 Women, it's a very misogynist, misogynistic movement. 1.00

00:51:19.540 Women are constantly being told to shut up. 1.00

00:51:21.220 Uh, Eventbrite, um, I just saw yesterday have de-platformed women again, defending women's 0.97

00:51:28.460 sports, some sort of their event ticketing organization.

00:51:32.340 And, um, and the other thing, uh, which I think affects people is, is the concept of

00:51:39.000 truth, particularly when in our schools, again, paid for by the state.

00:51:44.200 Children are being taught weird things about what, what is true and what is not true.

00:51:49.120 It's anti-science and it confuses children.

00:51:52.280 I've got two cousins who are teachers and they show me what they're, they're having to,

00:51:57.120 to teach their, um, students, their, uh, young students.

00:52:00.540 And it's, it's completely bananas and no wonder the kids are going to be confused.

00:52:05.380 And if that's the starting point, how's the rest of the education going to go?

00:52:08.180 So I think normal people, that's not hard to understand.

00:52:12.000 In fact, that's much easier to understand than the, the, the gender nonsense that we're 0.92

00:52:16.700 being fed.

00:52:17.280 Caitlyn Jenner understands that.

00:52:19.280 Mm.

00:52:19.620 You know?

00:52:20.080 Well, actually I met, uh, I actually didn't meet, but Buck Angel, who was a, uh, female 1.00

00:52:25.460 to male transsexual was at my show in Los Angeles.

00:52:29.800 And he has been very brave and standing up and saying, this is not okay to put children

00:52:36.920 through.

00:52:37.180 This is a serious procedure to go, to go through.

00:52:40.700 And I will not let, uh, anyone indoctrinate our children into this irreversible damage.

00:52:46.380 And there are, uh, transsexual, transgenders who are bravely standing up because it is,

00:52:53.600 it's, it's caught fire and it's, it's what Jung called a, a psychic endemic.

00:52:58.640 It, and it's, and it's very shocking.

00:53:00.700 And, and we've seen this at different periods.

00:53:03.100 The, uh, Helen Joyce describes it very well in her book, trans.

00:53:06.540 And she's another guest I've had on my show.

00:53:08.160 You should have her on, on this show.

00:53:09.480 Actually, she's superb. 0.96

00:53:10.640 I think she's written the definitive book on, on, on the topic, which she describes as well.

00:53:15.500 There was an endemic of, uh, anorexia in Hong Kong about, uh, 15 years ago.

00:53:21.000 And it's the same thing.

00:53:22.040 Once these kids get the idea, it just grows out unchecked and it's up to the adults to

00:53:27.500 say, no, stop and protect and protect the children.

00:53:31.080 So I, back to your original question, normal people care about children.

00:53:35.920 They care about women and they need to protect both of them.

00:53:38.180 I have to tell you, I think the leftist move with, with trans and mainly with trans, it

00:53:47.180 is, it is so anti-woman, so anti-woman and so insulting that you are just about your body

00:53:57.240 parts and that makes you a woman. 1.00

00:53:58.720 No, no, there, there's lots of differences between men and women and to tell women that

00:54:06.420 they have to identify him.

00:54:09.220 I mean, if that's, if it, look, we're friends, we're in the streets, whatever.

00:54:14.460 You're a friend of a friend, whatever.

00:54:16.420 And you come over and you're like, hi, I'm Judy.

00:54:19.180 Hey, Judy, how are you?

00:54:20.120 I'm not going to say, live your life.

00:54:21.900 Yeah.

00:54:22.120 Live your life.

00:54:22.800 Um, but when you, when you cross over and force people to say, Judy is the most beautiful

00:54:32.140 woman you've ever seen and she is a woman when, if I go to a hospital cause Judy's laying on 1.00

00:54:39.700 the ground and I call an ambulance and I'm a friend, I say to the doctor, by the way, biologically

00:54:48.140 a male, they have to know that stuff. 0.99

00:54:51.120 They have to know that stuff.

00:54:52.800 So why would I be lie?

00:54:54.820 Am I lying the rest of the time?

00:54:56.880 I can't, you can't, you can't do that.

00:54:59.680 You just can't do that.

00:55:01.440 And, and, and the, and the lie has gone too far and it needs to, and it's, but I, I, I

00:55:06.500 hope that it's been brought now.

00:55:09.020 It's more, it's coming to be checked, which is, which is a good thing.

00:55:13.840 Are you afraid?

00:55:14.780 I just read a, uh, a story.

00:55:17.280 Well, you know, you, you studied improv, didn't you?

00:55:20.900 You've done your research, Glenn.

00:55:22.320 Yeah.

00:55:22.800 I did a little bit of improv.

00:55:24.960 It didn't go very well.

00:55:25.620 It didn't go very well.

00:55:26.460 Cause I was like, this isn't a funny conversation and maybe it's me.

00:55:29.200 Uh, the, um, uh, I just read a story from Germany today.

00:55:38.480 What could possibly go wrong between inflation and the lack of fuel?

00:55:44.420 If it's a very cold, uh, winter, the Bundesbank is now, uh, billions of dollars they're sucking

00:55:52.400 in and they're holding onto because they're afraid of power outages, um, and shortages.

00:55:58.600 And people will start to go to the bank and say, Hey, I want my money out.

00:56:03.000 And there'll be a run on the bank.

00:56:04.380 Uh, and they said, uh, that they were looking for, uh, what was it?

00:56:09.620 Uh, they were preparing for something like spirited exchanges with the Germans. 0.85

00:56:16.460 And I'm like, I think you're thinking, I think you're thinking of riots, but that's okay.

00:56:20.900 Um, we are a financial or a cold winter away from real trouble with people who can't recognize

00:56:32.800 what a woman is. 1.00

00:56:35.520 How are we going to fare through that?

00:56:38.800 Yeah.

00:56:39.380 I mean, I've, I'm, I'm very anxious about this winter and, um, because England is really

00:56:45.680 affected by this, right?

00:56:47.740 England's very effective.

00:56:49.060 Not, not as much as Germany, but we've, we've cost a living crisis is absolutely insane.

00:56:54.840 And, um, there's other things.

00:56:58.480 And as we speak, it's cop 27s going on and there's a lot of bad ideas about how to do

00:57:05.460 with the environment, which again, make things expensive.

00:57:08.600 For example, in our country, we're very against natural gas and fracking, which would be a

00:57:14.500 cheaper solution to deal with, um, uh, some of our energy crisis, a crisis, a looming

00:57:21.280 crisis.

00:57:21.620 And we're going into Russia and Ukraine are going to war.

00:57:25.120 When do Russia lose wars when they're in the winter?

00:57:27.240 They don't.

00:57:28.480 This is, this is going to be a long one.

00:57:30.020 And, um, and Putin's been making more money selling less oil because of our policy, which

00:57:36.960 again, thank you for taking a share of that, even though you shouldn't because of our policy.

00:57:43.740 Yeah.

00:57:45.220 It's our policy.

00:57:46.640 Well, no, it's Britain's to the same. 0.86

00:57:48.380 We've been doing the sanctions and, and, um, and they've got foreign reserves.

00:57:54.260 They've, they, the Russia, they've got foreign reserves.

00:57:56.140 They're, they're, people are still, uh, buying all it's, it's, it's, it's completely worked

00:58:02.640 against our, our interests.

00:58:04.200 And it's the working people of Britain who are going to suffer the most.

00:58:09.040 All of them.

00:58:09.440 All over the world.

00:58:10.480 All over the world.

00:58:11.680 Yeah.

00:58:11.980 Exactly.

00:58:12.480 Yeah.

00:58:12.640 Um, can I go back to your family heritage in the Holocaust?

00:58:20.240 Of course.

00:58:20.560 Um, just to, first of all, which camp?

00:58:23.260 Um, a mixture.

00:58:25.420 Um, so the, the, the story, my, my grandma, they were from Transylvania and, uh, left quite

00:58:33.240 late because the Holocaust started in earnest late in Hungary.

00:58:37.640 But then it was very rapid in 43, it got in 44.

00:58:42.120 It got, it was awful.

00:58:43.760 Um, my grandmother and her brother and her parents fled.

00:58:48.900 Actually, this is incredible.

00:58:50.000 We have, I have her diaries describing the experience going through, uh, from Transylvania

00:58:56.300 through Munich.

00:58:57.840 They got fake papers.

00:58:59.160 They changed their name through Munich, eventually to France and then to Portugal.

00:59:03.720 Uh, and they, and they stayed out the rest of the war in Portugal.

00:59:06.720 And I have all of her, um, uh, uh, uh, and does she describe her feelings at the time

00:59:13.180 or is it just more of a, well, it's quite an interesting read because it's a bit like

00:59:16.760 Harper Lee or, um, To Kill a Mockingbird or, um, the J.D. Salinger book, uh, Catcher in

00:59:21.860 the Rye because you, you read it as the reader, you're, you're the adult, you are, you sort

00:59:27.200 of understand what the child doesn't see.

00:59:29.340 And so you're reading, she would have been 13, 12, 13, 14.

00:59:32.680 I can't remember exactly.

00:59:34.400 And so she doesn't fully grasp how huge what's going on around her.

00:59:39.540 You should publish this.

00:59:41.080 I would like to, I, I'm going to, um, try and translate it.

00:59:44.560 She was a brilliant woman and she spoke in seven languages.

00:59:46.560 She actually wrote them all in French.

00:59:47.680 So fortunately I can read it because I can't read Hungarian. 1.00

00:59:49.820 Um, but, um, so one incident, for example, is that it gets stopped at some border.

00:59:57.540 I think so maybe the Swiss border and she, and they, and she described seeing Nazi officers

01:00:02.760 on the platform and one of them slipping in the ice and the others pointing and laughing.

01:00:07.840 And it was just so curious to me that she would, she would think to jot that down in her, like

01:00:13.060 that was a thing.

01:00:13.960 And, and, uh, another thing that's actually the most moving thing about it is that she

01:00:18.920 got all her cousins to write goodbye notes.

01:00:22.800 Now at that time they didn't know they couldn't have known, well, they'd known they'd have

01:00:29.160 left.

01:00:30.820 They wouldn't have known what, what had happened.

01:00:32.500 And, um, so we've got all these goodbye notes and it's only been recent that my, my

01:00:39.300 dad for the family researched and find out where specifically everyone when, and it's

01:00:45.280 also more complicated than that.

01:00:46.640 So there's a superb play by Sir Tom Stoppard called Leopold's dad that I recommend because

01:00:52.580 it describes a Jewish family in Vienna, a family, uh, going through both wars over several

01:00:59.700 generations and the family, they're, they're Jewish, but they also, you know, it's a bris

01:01:05.740 and a baptism, it's Christmas and Hanukkah.

01:01:08.520 And it's, and it's, I never kind of understood that about my family because there was a Christian

01:01:12.720 influence and I, I didn't understand why.

01:01:15.500 And I think it's partly to do with, um, hiding it or wanting to be a part of, of a

01:01:22.480 high society or part of society, not even high society, society.

01:01:26.100 Um, and another thing that the play explores is, is false memories and, uh, repressed memories,

01:01:34.720 things hidden.

01:01:35.500 So my grandma wouldn't, would, she's passed now a few years, but she, she would always

01:01:42.360 deny being Jewish and despite, you know, the birth certificate, Israelite, you just, no,

01:01:48.900 no.

01:01:49.140 And, and, and it was a taboo.

01:01:50.300 We couldn't talk about it.

01:01:51.580 It was very traumatizing for her.

01:01:54.480 And, you know, there are even examples.

01:01:56.400 There was one survivor, um, uh, aunt TT who had, uh, I think she'd been in two camps, uh,

01:02:05.380 Auschwitz.

01:02:05.780 And then, uh, another one further North in the North, forgotten the name.

01:02:09.920 And, um, she had the, the, the tattoo and her, my mom asked her, well, how, what's, how

01:02:18.260 does she have the tattoo?

01:02:19.000 She was like, Oh no, she was married to a Jewish man.

01:02:21.500 Uh, so they, they, they come up with, they come up that she had come up with ways to make

01:02:27.760 her make sense of the trauma of it.

01:02:29.380 But how, how, how can one make sense of it when, when all of the cousins and uncles are,

01:02:35.080 are wiped out how to deal with that?

01:02:38.320 It's, it's, uh, one can't necessarily.

01:02:42.060 Do you think it's the other side of the coin that you're wrestling with, with China?

01:02:47.480 I mean, here you have a whole family and they're fine and their countrymen are fine.

01:02:57.660 And then quickly, all of a sudden, all their countrymen turn on them and they don't leave

01:03:04.440 because they don't think it could happen.

01:03:07.620 It's like, ah, it's not going to happen to us.

01:03:09.920 It's, we're, we're fine.

01:03:11.040 We know our neighbors.

01:03:12.280 Yeah.

01:03:12.480 Isn't it this, it's the same, just the other side of the same coin, isn't it?

01:03:17.320 That, that certainly was the case for my great grandfather.

01:03:19.820 He, he fought in the first war with the Hungarians.

01:03:22.600 And so the idea that they would then turn on him, how, how that must feel is, it's beggars belief.

01:03:31.500 If you, when you, when you commit your life, you risk your life for a people.

01:03:36.060 And then those same people turn against you.

01:03:38.560 And I think that's something that Jewish people have been, have been dealing with for millennia.

01:03:42.200 Um, yeah, yeah.

01:03:48.040 Um, what are your thoughts on Kanye?

01:03:49.880 Do you know Kanye?

01:03:50.940 I, I haven't met Kanye.

01:03:53.680 I, uh, well, I, I'm a, I love his music.

01:03:59.240 I think he is a musical genius.

01:04:01.740 And apparently that's a contentious thing to say.

01:04:03.520 I think it's, it didn't used to be.

01:04:05.420 It didn't used to be.

01:04:06.340 And then he started voting another way or talking about God and all of a sudden he's not a genius. 0.99

01:04:11.160 He's crazy. 0.73

01:04:12.340 He has said some amazing things.

01:04:15.960 Um, I, I, I, I love that he said, fear God and you shall fear nothing else.

01:04:21.140 I think that's superb.

01:04:22.160 I think it's absolutely true.

01:04:24.580 I, uh, have no qualms whatsoever in saying that his recent spat of comments and statements have, are absolutely anti-Semitic. 0.71

01:04:34.820 And, um, saying he'd go DEFCON 3 on, on Jewish people is, is horrible.

01:04:43.000 Um, and, uh, I, I, I find it strange that so, um, few people find that easy to condemn him.

01:04:51.760 Having said that, obviously he's lost now one and a half a billion worth of, uh, his business being dropped by Adidas and, and, and, um, the stuff.

01:05:00.720 So is that cancel culture or is that just?

01:05:02.540 Well, that's people of association.

01:05:04.820 Um, because that's, if that is cancel culture, then that's, that's a type I don't have.

01:05:12.160 Unless it's coordinated.

01:05:13.840 Well, look, to, to be anti, to say anti-Semitic things like that, that's not, that, that's not okay.

01:05:21.080 That is, that is hateful.

01:05:23.080 And that's different from defending women. 0.93

01:05:26.480 That's different from JK running who said nothing transphobic.

01:05:29.200 Like, she's been actually quite loving to, uh, people who, uh, transgender.

01:05:33.700 And, uh, that's very different to explicit anti-Semitic comments.

01:05:38.060 But don't you think, don't you think, I mean, I, I think one of the problems with the world

01:05:42.480 is, I don't know what it's like in England, but here in America, on every street, there

01:05:49.000 is some yokel that is like, that you tell your kids, yeah, I don't know.

01:05:53.680 You see him outside, stay away.

01:05:55.200 There's always somebody on the block who's like nuts one way or another.

01:05:59.420 And I like knowing who that is so I can avoid them.

01:06:04.020 You know what I mean?

01:06:04.780 But, uh, you know, now that person has found all of the other people like them on everybody

01:06:13.840 else's street and we're like, God, we've got to stop them.

01:06:17.520 They've always been here.

01:06:18.740 They've always been here.

01:06:20.480 We just need to know who they are and then move on.

01:06:24.480 Um, my, my problem is, cause you have a right to disassociate from me if you want.

01:06:31.760 It's when the pressure starts to come, uh, and you're not doing it cause you believe in

01:06:37.380 it.

01:06:37.520 You're doing it because, uh, we better, we better not, you know, we're going to lose

01:06:43.260 sales.

01:06:43.660 We're going to lose this.

01:06:44.460 And then it's coordinated.

01:06:47.280 The attack is coordinated.

01:06:50.220 What he said was, was bad.

01:06:52.240 Um, don't get me wrong, but, and I'm not sure which it is in this case.

01:06:59.100 Is it part of the attack that he's been under the whole time or is this real?

01:07:11.480 The only speech is what he's saying, what he really thinks is that?

01:07:14.100 No, no, no.

01:07:14.600 Um, first of all, let's, are you a free speech absolutist?

01:07:19.340 Well, I don't think you should lie in court, uh, and, uh, yeah, yeah, yes.

01:07:24.200 But other than that, I have a right to say horrible things.

01:07:28.040 Yeah.

01:07:28.580 Okay.

01:07:29.160 And you can just, you can just say, well, I'm not going to talk to him anymore.

01:07:33.600 I, I don't, I don't, I'm against inciting violence.

01:07:37.040 I do.

01:07:37.640 Agree.

01:07:38.180 Agree with that.

01:07:38.960 Agree with whatever the, uh, absolutist.

01:07:41.400 Yeah.

01:07:41.800 Free speech absolutist.

01:07:43.460 You, you, you don't incite violence, but you can hold the, the only speech worth protecting

01:07:49.520 is the stuff that all of us go, what the hell is wrong with him?

01:07:53.400 You know, you don't have to protect the speech that everybody is in agreement with, you know?

01:07:58.000 Um, and so I, I just have a, um, I'd just like to hear your philosophical view on you, you

01:08:10.120 have the right to, um, disassociate.

01:08:13.900 Yeah.

01:08:14.340 I think freedom of association is an important part of, of, of the, um, the puzzle.

01:08:19.520 And when it comes to artists, if I'm not going to, I'm still going to listen to Kanye West,

01:08:25.720 but there are artists, if I thought that by listening to them, they were getting my money

01:08:29.220 and that was helping them continue of nefarious behavior, I would draw the line right in there

01:08:33.420 as a person, as a, as a, as a person.

01:08:35.660 Um, I think on the, on the freedom of speech, uh, uh, this doesn't really apply to Kanye,

01:08:46.980 but what I've found is that usually if people want you to shut up, it's because you've got,

01:08:52.320 there's something about what you're saying is true because if it wasn't true, it wouldn't,

01:08:57.060 it wouldn't be a threat to them.

01:08:58.820 So I found that a lot of people want me to shut up.

01:09:03.160 And that's if, if it wasn't true that let's say on the hill I died on, which was Andy Ngo

01:09:10.160 and, and, and, and the BLM riots and, and the, the, the deaths going on.

01:09:15.160 And then the federal, uh, buildings being burned down, I wouldn't be a threat to them.

01:09:19.200 They wouldn't need to shut me up.

01:09:20.620 So actually to take that thinking a step further forward, if you, and by the way,

01:09:26.660 conservatives do this as well.

01:09:27.980 Everyone does this.

01:09:28.780 If you want someone to shut up, actually the best way to do it is to deal with what they're

01:09:32.280 saying, the part of which of what they're saying, which is true and actually confront

01:09:36.360 it head on instead of ignoring it.

01:09:38.660 If you ignore it, it just turns into a bigger issue and then more nefarious people, uh, people

01:09:44.260 with, uh, can, can, can take it on and do more damage with it.

01:09:49.220 You have to deal with the difficult stuff.

01:09:50.860 So that's not exactly an answer to your question, but I'm, I'm certainly a free speech absolutist,

01:09:56.840 but with free speech comes the responsibility to confront the difficult issues.

01:10:01.000 Yes, totally.

01:10:03.120 All of our rights have huge responsibilities and we've, we don't want, it doesn't seem

01:10:09.980 like we want those responsibilities anymore.

01:10:12.600 You know, we just, no, just tell me what to say.

01:10:15.320 Tell me where to work.

01:10:16.260 Tell me what to eat.

01:10:17.200 Tell me how my temperature should be in my house and I'm fine.

01:10:21.700 I'm guilty of that sometimes.

01:10:23.380 I think we all are.

01:10:24.520 I think we all are.

01:10:25.900 Um, you dated Katy Perry for a while.

01:10:28.700 No, no, no.

01:10:29.480 No, you didn't.

01:10:30.260 No.

01:10:31.800 Really?

01:10:33.120 Oh, I, I mean, I'm sure I have it in my research.

01:10:36.220 Uh, but I, I just wanted to know, cause I mean, if you were dating, it is, was it the

01:10:40.460 English accent?

01:10:41.980 I, I, I, I, um, met her.

01:10:44.200 She's a wonderful woman.

01:10:45.980 I'm sorry.

01:10:46.360 It was presented in what I read as you hooked up.

01:10:52.500 Glenn, let's not get into detail.

01:10:53.700 Okay.

01:10:54.140 All right.

01:10:55.000 Okay.

01:10:55.480 All right.

01:10:56.000 Okay.

01:10:56.280 But she's a very smart woman.

01:10:57.200 So is it the English accent or is it the banjo?

01:11:01.440 That, you know, she's thought, well, I got to hook up with you.

01:11:05.440 Cause Glenn, you should invite her onto the, onto the show. 0.79

01:11:08.080 I couldn't possibly speak for her.

01:11:09.040 No, they will.

01:11:10.260 I'd be surprised if she remembers me.

01:11:12.100 So, yeah.

01:11:12.460 Well, I was going to say, cause you're, you're, you were voted the six worst dressed man.

01:11:17.900 Oh, you've got some great facts.

01:11:19.340 Yeah.

01:11:19.620 Yeah.

01:11:19.920 Yeah.

01:11:20.080 Wonderful.

01:11:20.500 Yes.

01:11:20.680 I was six worst dressed man by GQ.

01:11:22.940 And, uh, I want to hear, I'm not quite sure.

01:11:24.740 I can't remember quite what year, but that was a, a very proud moment for me.

01:11:28.120 Uh, yeah.

01:11:29.280 Um, hopefully things have changed a little bit.

01:11:33.120 Yeah.

01:11:33.400 A little bit.

01:11:33.820 A little bit.

01:11:35.240 Um, so the podcast, what do you have coming up?

01:11:38.220 Who do you want? 0.96

01:11:39.120 Who is like, ah, I tell you what, I, I'm very, I'd love to get, um, uh, uh, what's his

01:11:45.560 Shane Gillis, right?

01:11:46.840 He's a American comedian.

01:11:48.580 And I just, I've loved this guy.

01:11:50.500 He's still in a new standup and, um, this is on YouTube and he's just making me, he's

01:11:56.680 got, uh, he also does a sketch show on, on, um, uh, on YouTube.

01:12:01.960 And he's got this one, he's got some very funny one about Trump doing speed dating.

01:12:07.280 He does a great Trump impersonation.

01:12:09.240 And he also does a great one about a car salesman whose surname is ISIS.

01:12:13.880 And, um, he's, he was actually cast in SNL and then the SNL sacked him before even really

01:12:20.720 got started, uh, because they dug up in his podcast, some things they deemed, uh, you

01:12:28.280 know, offended the progressive, uh, mind.

01:12:31.460 And, um, but I think he's one of the great comedians in America at the moment.

01:12:35.320 So I, I'd love to get, um, this guy.

01:12:37.700 And there's another woman, which again, I think you should get her, uh, uh, is Mazie 0.98

01:12:41.900 al-Inajad who is an Iranian dissident because what's going on in Iran.

01:12:46.120 If we talk, people care about free speech.

01:12:47.820 People care about women's rights. 0.97

01:12:50.320 Uh, let's look at Iran.

01:12:51.880 It's another place where nobody is paying attention.

01:12:54.200 And I mean, I saw the Iranian people out with rocks coming after the people with machine 1.00

01:13:00.160 guns and I know who's going to win there. 0.97

01:13:03.360 Um, at least in the short term, those, those people are brave, really brave and kids.

01:13:11.180 Um, are being really brave and not getting the attention they deserve.

01:13:15.360 Absolutely.

01:13:16.180 And, and, and women it's, it's to be a woman there and with, with the decades of suppression 0.70

01:13:22.120 and to stand up, to take off their, their, their burqas and, and, um, to, to stand up

01:13:28.020 to these tyrannical clerics.

01:13:30.280 Yeah.

01:13:30.780 And there's these countless videos.

01:13:32.100 It's just, it's so moving, but it's, it's, it's become bloody and, um, it's, it's, it's

01:13:39.580 very sad and, and one can only hope, uh, that, um, freedom comes to Iran.

01:13:45.160 I have something for you to do.

01:13:47.860 This is a rare, uh, opportunity.

01:13:53.460 Um, had these for a while.

01:13:55.400 I thought this would be a good time to break them out.

01:13:57.560 This is very exciting.

01:13:58.680 Okay.

01:13:59.500 Uh, these are from 1760.

01:14:05.660 Wow.

01:14:06.100 And they are toasting glasses for the coronation of King George III.

01:14:12.220 Your last king.

01:14:13.120 And I thought, since you have, I don't have any champagne or anything, but.

01:14:20.180 Oh my goodness.

01:14:20.980 I thought, uh, they haven't been used in, I don't know how long, but.

01:14:24.700 Thank you.

01:14:26.000 I thought we could toast your new king.

01:14:28.340 You gotta love him, right?

01:14:31.580 Uh.

01:14:34.160 I'm, I'm a monoconist.

01:14:34.760 I'm a monoconist.

01:14:35.520 I'm a toast to the last king of England.

01:14:37.700 We'll just toast to the last queen.

01:14:38.860 The last queen.

01:14:39.640 She was great.

01:14:40.500 Although, Glenn, we shouldn't toast when it's non-alcoholic.

01:14:42.680 But we can certainly raise our glasses.

01:14:45.180 See, you were, you were brought up in one of those fancy schools, weren't you?

01:14:48.040 We're just like, it's beer.

01:14:50.420 But that is, that's incredible.

01:14:52.580 Thank you.

01:14:53.100 What a treat.

01:14:53.860 So these were.

01:14:54.300 To the queen.

01:14:54.940 To the queen.

01:14:58.140 Wow.

01:14:58.540 These were sent over from the king to somebody here in America, um, in the founding era.

01:15:07.640 Somebody who was a very loyal British subject.

01:15:10.400 And so they could toast his coronation.

01:15:13.860 Wow.

01:15:14.420 And where did you find them?

01:15:16.540 Uh, some friends found them for me.

01:15:18.160 Yeah.

01:15:18.400 You've got a great collection.

01:15:19.840 Yeah.

01:15:20.240 It's pretty impressive.

01:15:21.520 Yeah.

01:15:21.820 It's pretty, it's eclectic.

01:15:23.940 Yeah.

01:15:24.280 Yeah.

01:15:24.800 And, uh, uh, I'm gonna, I'm gonna dig into your museum after, after this.

01:15:29.020 Cause, uh, I want to get a photograph of that Ben Hale costume.

01:15:32.400 Yeah.

01:15:33.220 And, you know, we've got a lot of stuff, uh, that shows how crappy the kings, uh, were over

01:15:37.960 in England.

01:15:39.360 And, uh.

01:15:39.600 Oh, we, we want to go there, do we?

01:15:40.940 I know you guys like to think it was your independence.

01:15:44.720 Right.

01:15:45.200 But actually it was us who were free from, liberated from the burden of the colonies across

01:15:50.860 the sea.

01:15:51.760 So, yeah, we celebrate still.

01:15:52.960 Well, one of these days, and perhaps with King Charles on the throne soon, you'll, you'll

01:15:58.120 recognize king thing.

01:15:59.460 Not a good idea.

01:16:00.840 Although.

01:16:00.920 You're so wrong, Glenn.

01:16:02.020 The problem you've got here in America is you don't have a king.

01:16:06.820 Cause everything's, everything's at the feet of your president.

01:16:10.360 Now the king stands above it all, represents the people.

01:16:13.680 Oh yeah, he does.

01:16:15.160 Yes, he does.

01:16:15.800 And he, and he's, he, he's linked to God.

01:16:17.980 And so whoever you elect, you're laughing at me, Glenn.

01:16:21.020 Oh no.

01:16:21.440 Whoever you elect.

01:16:21.820 I wish this was booze.

01:16:23.120 Has to, has to, has to explain himself.

01:16:25.420 Uh huh.

01:16:26.060 To the monarch.

01:16:27.280 But here, you just have Biden.

01:16:30.320 Who's he explaining himself to?

01:16:32.400 Running riot.

01:16:33.300 Uh, probably George Soros at this point.

01:16:35.460 Well.

01:16:35.920 World Economic Forum.

01:16:37.180 If he had to, if he had to explain himself to someone, he had to put himself below someone,

01:16:42.600 perhaps we might be in a better place.

01:16:44.600 See, we used to think, and we don't anymore, we used to think no king but God.

01:16:50.340 Yeah.

01:16:50.700 And that's, that's the problem.

01:16:53.040 Mm.

01:16:53.680 You just, you, you don't really have the God thing over in England.

01:16:59.400 And.

01:16:59.980 What do you mean we don't have the God thing?

01:17:01.820 Ah, you're pretty, you're pretty lost on God over there, aren't you?

01:17:05.060 I mean, I know you grew up.

01:17:06.400 Well, King Charles is the head of the, head of the church.

01:17:09.180 Yes, I know.

01:17:09.880 And I, very good.

01:17:11.540 Yeah.

01:17:11.760 Very good.

01:17:13.500 No, you're, you're right that we, we've lost.

01:17:16.040 You're not as bad as Europe. 0.57

01:17:18.680 I mean, Europe is. 0.99

01:17:20.200 Bunch of godless animals over there. 0.99

01:17:21.920 Well, Glenn. 0.80

01:17:22.520 I think we could talk about the Europeans, but instead, why don't we pray for them?

01:17:29.640 Yes.

01:17:30.240 Yes, we shall.

01:17:30.740 We'll pray for the Europeans that they find, they find God.

01:17:33.780 Thank you so much for coming on.

01:17:35.300 It's been a pleasure.

01:17:35.820 Thank you for having me.

01:17:36.420 God bless.

01:17:42.280 Just a reminder, I'd love you to rate and subscribe to the podcast and pass this on to a friend so it can be discovered by other people.

01:17:49.460 We'll see you next time.

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The Glenn Beck Program - November 19, 2022

Ep 165 ｜ This Famous Musician Risked EVERYTHING to Fight the Woke Mob ｜ Winston Marshall ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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