The Glenn Beck Program - December 03, 2022


Ep 166 ｜ De-Transitioner Exposes Dark World of 'Gender-Affirming Care' ｜ Chloe Cole ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast


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Chloe Cole is a 16-year-old girl who identifies as transgender and wants to save other children around the world. She says her mission is to expose the darkness and lies of the transgender movement, and the lies that society spreads about it.

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00:00:00.000 There's been a dizzying spike in the number of children who identify as transgender or
00:00:06.280 non-binary. Five years ago, that number was 15,000 children between the ages of 6 and 17
00:00:12.900 were diagnosed with gender dysphoria. Last year, there were 42,000, and that's just the number of
00:00:20.940 kids who have been diagnosed. At every stage of the process, they have to be encouraged to
00:00:28.000 transition by adults in important positions, doctors, therapists, teachers, coaches, counselors,
00:00:34.540 all the way up to the president of the United States. And that's how bad things are. Our
00:00:40.580 president nominated a transgender activist to the Department of Health and entertained a TikTok
00:00:46.600 celebrity who plays a cartoonish stereotype of a woman. They're always recruiting new victims and
00:00:54.800 devoted to making it as easy as possible for minors to transition at whatever cost.
00:01:01.520 And by transition, I mean a name change or updated pronouns. This is a lot more than just that and
00:01:12.420 more than playing dress up. For the first time in human history, least recorded history, kids as
00:01:19.720 young as six are receiving puberty blockers, hormone treatments, even surgeries that include irreversible
00:01:27.860 mutilation of genital parts, hysterectomies, and mastectomies. All in the name of compassion. But I don't
00:01:37.540 think that that is compassion. Despite major censorship and progressive bullying around the issue,
00:01:44.400 transition regret is becoming more and more common. A growing number of people who have transitioned
00:01:50.760 have realized that trying to change their gender doesn't solve their emotional or mental problems
00:01:57.800 the way they thought it would. And as you will hear today, it can often make the problems much,
00:02:04.120 much worse. Our guest today, after getting her first iPhone and logging on to Instagram,
00:02:10.040 she says she became brainwashed by gender ideology at 11. At 13, she began medically transitioning to a
00:02:19.080 boy. At 15, she had a double mastectomy. At 18, she has had to grieve the fact that she'll never be
00:02:26.840 able to experience the sacred part of motherhood and even breastfeed her own child. But now she's on a
00:02:34.060 mission. And I'm telling you a very brave mission. Pray for this. Pray for this young woman. She is
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00:02:48.760 movement to save other children here in America and around the and around the world. Today, please
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00:04:24.920 Hi, Chloe.
00:04:38.440 Hi there.
00:04:39.000 How are you?
00:04:40.380 I'm good. How are you?
00:04:41.200 It's such a happy, happy face.
00:04:43.780 You're a brave woman. And thank you for coming in.
00:04:48.820 Thank you.
00:04:49.160 And I just want to explain, if you're watching, she's got a blanket because it's about 62 in here.
00:04:56.480 That's about what we keep the studio at 62. And so I hope you're comfortable.
00:05:03.800 I sure am.
00:05:04.540 I want to preface this with, this is a subject that you just can't have a frank conversation on.
00:05:15.680 And people on both sides are going to be, you know, pissy about whatever anybody says.
00:05:22.300 But we have to have this conversation. And as a dad, I tried to explain to my 16-year-old daughter
00:05:30.240 that compassion without truth and without full knowledge and expression is not compassion.
00:05:42.640 And there's a trend in our country and in our world where I don't care what the subject is.
00:05:53.560 You're either with the right people or you're out of society.
00:05:59.140 And it's extraordinarily dangerous. And you, unfortunately, have felt it firsthand.
00:06:04.980 Yeah.
00:06:05.120 So, talk to me. You're eight years old and you're a tomboy.
00:06:10.940 Yeah.
00:06:11.380 You have two sisters, two brothers.
00:06:13.240 Two sisters and two brothers, yeah. They're all older than me.
00:06:15.600 Right. And you didn't like dresses or, you know, frilly stuff, right?
00:06:20.320 I mean, I was kind of in between on those things. Like, I had influence from both sexes growing up because I had so many siblings.
00:06:27.940 I mean, I actually, when I was younger, I actually loved, like, wearing dresses and skirts and things like that and, like, playing with dolls.
00:06:35.040 And I also like playing, like, video games with my older brothers and, like, playing with their Legos and their toy guns.
00:06:40.880 I know a lot of girls that are tomboys. 1.00
00:06:45.060 Yeah.
00:06:45.500 And that doesn't make them in the wrong body. It just, it just, everybody's different. Everybody's different.
00:06:53.040 Interesting. So, did anybody think, did you think, eight years old, I'm in the wrong body?
00:07:00.740 Um, I mean, the idea never really came to me until I started using social media, actually.
00:07:07.300 I got my first phone when I was, when I was 11 and, you know, because I wanted to fit in with all my other friends who had phones at the time.
00:07:14.780 I made my, my, my first social media account on, on Instagram and Snapchat and on Instagram.
00:07:20.900 Um, I mean, I wasn't actually supposed to be using it so young because the minimum age is actually 13, but they don't really, they don't actually, they don't actually check that.
00:07:30.280 Yeah.
00:07:30.640 But, um, I saw a lot of things on there that I really shouldn't have at that age.
00:07:37.600 Um.
00:07:38.460 Like what?
00:07:39.280 I mean, the content from other women, um, other young women, a lot of it is like, um, they post themselves in like really like skimpy outfits or like really, really sexualized poses or they're, they're wearing like a bunch of makeup or they've got like, they've, they like edit or like filter their bodies or they even have like, like plastic surgery. 0.83
00:08:03.900 They're done on their faces or they're done on their faces or their bodies. 0.84
00:08:06.420 And I mean, aside from that, a lot of it was just like complaining about like, um, just how tough growing into a woman is, like how, how scary periods and the possibility of pregnancy and the pain of childbirth and then eventually going through menopause.
00:08:25.640 And I find that nobody, no girls or women really ever talked about like the great things about being a woman and the great things that come with all of those things.
00:08:40.960 And I find that this, not only was it like this on the internet, but even from like the, the girls and women that I grew up around me with were kind of like that as well.
00:08:51.600 Um, it's really interesting to me that, um, our society and we've been doing it for a long time, um, says that they're empowering women, but at the same time, they're not, they're empowering a specific type of woman, um, that will assume a stereotypical male role.
00:09:16.920 Um, and that doesn't make that bad, but it, it, it, our society is not celebrating the other side.
00:09:25.140 I, I've talked to moms all the time who say, I'm, you know, I'm just a mom.
00:09:29.600 What do you mean?
00:09:30.300 You're just a mom. 1.00
00:09:31.420 That's the hardest job out there.
00:09:35.200 I agree.
00:09:36.220 So that's what, in my generation, we had, um, people saying, I, you know, girls saying, how can I be happy with my body?
00:09:45.520 With all these magazines, but it's a hundred times worse now online and nobody seems to talk about it.
00:09:52.820 Yeah.
00:09:53.300 Um, I mean, not only did I have like a, I was kind of insecure about like my, like being, like being feminine a little bit.
00:10:03.080 Um, I mean, growing up, I mean, a lot of the content, the, the like comics and books and cartoons I would, I would read or watch as a kid were kind of, kind of like downplayed like the role of like the, the girls.
00:10:19.000 Like it was always like about the boys and the girls were always like getting in the way or they're like really stupid, not really, not really helping.
00:10:26.220 Um, but I also, because I was using social media so young and I was seeing like these very idealized images of women.
00:10:39.120 Um, I mean, as I was just a kid and I wasn't like, I was only a few years in a purity, I wasn't very devolved, but I also didn't understand that I wasn't really, most women aren't really supposed to look like that. 0.53
00:10:50.820 But I started developing some body image issues and, um, down the line, I was actually diagnosed with body dysmorphia well after I transitioned.
00:11:00.520 Okay.
00:11:01.340 So you go from not having any idea, none of these ideas really crossed your mind.
00:11:09.280 Yeah.
00:11:09.520 11, you get the phone.
00:11:12.120 Then when do you start to say, I'm in the wrong body?
00:11:16.840 How long after 11?
00:11:19.480 Um, so at around that time, I also started to get like a lot of LGBTQ content in my feed, especially like trans, like non-binary or, um, things like that.
00:11:32.940 Right.
00:11:33.380 And a lot of it was coming from other young women as well, like ages, maybe like 12 to early twenties.
00:11:40.780 And, um, you know, I was kind of a, I was kind of an awkward kid.
00:11:48.080 I, I'm actually on the spectrum.
00:11:49.580 So I've kind of struggled a little bit with socializing with, especially with other people,
00:11:53.980 my age and making, keeping friends.
00:11:56.080 And I found that as I got older, um, it got more difficult to make friends, especially with
00:12:00.680 other girls, my age.
00:12:02.120 And, um,
00:12:02.720 Girls are vicious. 1.00
00:12:03.920 Yeah.
00:12:04.480 They are vicious.
00:12:05.400 Um, but it just kind of struck me how, like, how happy these people outwardly seem to be
00:12:18.000 and how, when they came out to their families and their friends, they were...
00:12:23.500 Accepted.
00:12:24.940 Yeah.
00:12:26.280 So...
00:12:26.800 And I, that was something that, even if I didn't realize at the time, I wish that I had for
00:12:32.560 myself.
00:12:35.220 But you didn't find that?
00:12:39.260 Not really, no.
00:12:40.400 Okay.
00:12:40.700 So before we get there, let's, let's take it the next step.
00:12:45.860 Did you initiate this and say, I'm non-binary, I think I'm in the wrong body?
00:12:52.540 What happened?
00:12:54.040 What, who did you first tell and what happened?
00:12:57.060 Yeah, so, naturally after some time, after being exposed to stuff for, for a little bit,
00:13:03.760 I started to wonder, like, what am I?
00:13:07.380 Who am I attracted to?
00:13:08.320 What's, what's my sexuality?
00:13:09.780 What's my identity?
00:13:11.480 And I kind of, like, switched through, switched between labels, like, bisexual, pansexual, and
00:13:18.660 then went on.
00:13:19.200 It went on to a gender, bigender, non-binary. 0.82
00:13:23.920 And then eventually I settled on, maybe I'm just not a girl and I'm actually a boy.
00:13:30.660 And I started to cut my hair shorter.
00:13:34.160 I came out.
00:13:34.440 Do you think this would have happened without the media and the popularity of this?
00:13:41.660 No, not at all.
00:13:42.180 I wouldn't even known what it was.
00:13:43.600 Okay.
00:13:43.860 But I, I came out to my older sister and some closer family members and friends at school
00:13:51.320 first.
00:13:51.660 And then without my parents knowing, I started buying, like, clothes out of the boys section.
00:13:57.480 And then after a few months, I, I came out to them.
00:14:01.320 I wrote a letter because I was, I was afraid of having that conversation, starting that conversation
00:14:07.100 face to face.
00:14:07.860 And I wanted to allow them some time to think about it.
00:14:11.520 So I just left a letter on the dining room table.
00:14:14.200 It is, it's frightening to talk to your parents about, and I've, as a parent, have had conversations
00:14:21.740 like these.
00:14:23.100 And if you don't, and I don't know your situation with your parents, but if you don't have a conversation
00:14:28.880 where you, you don't have a relationship where you feel I can say anything and they'll
00:14:33.280 never stop loving me, it's tough because your age at that time, you don't really know that.
00:14:40.680 You don't know that.
00:14:42.880 What was your parents' reaction?
00:14:47.820 They were, they were a little shocked, actually.
00:14:49.800 They didn't, they didn't really expect this.
00:14:51.140 I mean, they knew I was like a bit of a tomboy, but they never really saw this coming.
00:14:54.960 And, you know, they were, they were normal people and they didn't really know what to
00:14:58.100 do about this.
00:14:58.740 They were like really experts on the subject.
00:15:02.680 And so they wanted to turn to the, the real experts or they thought, yeah, they, they saw
00:15:10.060 it as like a psychiatric issue, which they were right about that, but it wasn't treated
00:15:14.220 as such by my therapist or any physician who is involved in my transition.
00:15:18.680 More with Chloe in just a second.
00:15:20.580 When the alarm clock goes off in the morning and you open your eyes, is pain the first thing
00:15:25.360 you think about?
00:15:26.020 It used to be for me, how I'm going to face another day of this for years.
00:15:30.300 I suffered every day from just debilitating pain that really focused on my hands.
00:15:36.300 It was impossible really to do anything.
00:15:40.520 And I, I didn't think I would be able to even do this, pick up a pen, write a note, write
00:15:45.900 a letter or a paint a painting anymore.
00:15:49.340 All of those things were so important to me.
00:15:51.640 And I thought I lost them forever until I started taking relief factor.
00:15:54.580 And I will tell you, I didn't believe in it.
00:15:56.760 My wife made me take it.
00:15:58.340 I took it and I was actually surprised that it worked.
00:16:02.860 Uh, you know, it's all natural and blah, blah, blah.
00:16:06.120 Uh, I don't, you know, okay.
00:16:08.980 All right.
00:16:09.580 Medicine doctor.
00:16:10.960 It's not witchcraft.
00:16:12.280 It is science developed by doctors.
00:16:13.900 And it is, it is great work for me.
00:16:16.580 And about 70% of the people who try it go on to order more month after month.
00:16:21.020 So maybe this is for you to relieve factor.com call 800 for relief, 800, the number for relief.
00:16:28.160 It's relief factor.com.
00:16:30.000 Um, when you went to the doctor, I'm assuming that your mom and dad had the best intents
00:16:36.420 and just don't, they want you safe and they want you happy.
00:16:40.120 And they loved me and they wanted to figure out what was going on.
00:16:43.020 Correct.
00:16:43.320 Well, I felt this way and that was just never figured out.
00:16:47.740 Unfortunately, it just went straight to, oh yeah, she's a boy.
00:16:51.020 And behind my back, they actually told my parents that if I wasn't allowed to basically do what
00:16:56.300 I wanted in my transition, that I would be at risk of suicide.
00:17:00.300 Oh my gosh.
00:17:01.020 Yeah.
00:17:01.520 Had you said that to the doctors?
00:17:03.040 No, I didn't.
00:17:04.420 I wasn't suicidal.
00:17:05.720 No ideation, nothing, nothing.
00:17:07.240 I wasn't suicidal until I was a few years.
00:17:10.540 Yeah.
00:17:10.960 Yeah.
00:17:11.540 Into my medical transition.
00:17:12.920 Wow.
00:17:13.560 Okay.
00:17:14.160 So the doctors, they didn't probe on what is happening to you in your life.
00:17:22.480 They didn't talk to you about anything.
00:17:25.080 They just accepted that you should be a boy?
00:17:29.040 Yeah.
00:17:30.240 And there is very little psychological evaluation.
00:17:35.580 I did have some stuff going on at home and at school, but I mean, it was just never really
00:17:41.200 probed into.
00:17:42.060 It was never really considered as having any relation to my gender dysphoria.
00:17:46.740 I was diagnosed with gender dysphoria, I think by a, I don't think it was by the first therapist
00:17:51.500 I saw because he never really did anything actually.
00:17:54.200 But, um, I think it was, um, I think it was a gender specialist and, um, you know, all the research I did on transitioning before and like the, even like the, um, the medical professionals who I saw basically presented transition as the only means of treating dysphoria.
00:18:16.140 No alternatives were even brought up really.
00:18:19.160 It was basically just, so if you believe you're a boy, then you're actually the boy.
00:18:25.140 So I, I understand, and you can go into this or not, it's your choice, but some of the issues like at school were, you were, um, some boy, uh, was quite inappropriate with you.
00:18:45.280 And that, that made you so uncomfortable and you didn't want to be a girl.
00:18:51.820 Part of that was you didn't want to be a girl because of that.
00:18:54.340 Is that true?
00:18:55.180 Um, this actually happened while I was early in my medical transition, a little down the line before I started to, before I started.
00:19:02.940 But I mean, a lot of my, a lot of my girlfriends and, um, some of the women I knew growing up had like a history of like being victims of sexual assault or stalking or abuse or rape.
00:19:17.860 And like all these stories I would hear made me really afraid of eventually experiencing that for myself.
00:19:24.240 And from a young age, I had a really bad fear of like being assaulted or raped.
00:19:28.380 Oh my gosh.
00:19:30.440 And so when that happened, you started to bind your breasts. 1.00
00:19:34.360 Yeah.
00:19:34.620 Right.
00:19:35.040 And I was actually, it is a little unusual because at that point I was, um, I was several months on testosterone and blockers.
00:19:43.620 It's usually most trans identified women, um, will start binding long before they start, um, like the medical process. 0.94
00:19:52.920 But I mean, I wore kind of like loose shirts and I was at the time, maybe like a, like a B cup or so.
00:20:00.000 So I didn't think that like my chest was very noticeable.
00:20:02.460 But, um, that incident where he, the boy who was bullying me, groped me, um, made me very conscious of the appearance of my breasts.
00:20:14.300 And I wanted to hide them from the world forever.
00:20:17.140 Gosh.
00:20:18.540 And no doctor ever talked to you about that?
00:20:20.880 No, I actually never brought this up.
00:20:23.460 But did they give you the opportunity?
00:20:25.100 Did they ask probing questions that would have gotten you there?
00:20:28.040 Um, they probably have, but I never really, I never really spoke up about it because, um.
00:20:36.720 Shame.
00:20:37.760 Yeah, that, and I kind of just told myself, you know, I was, I was trying to become a boy and I was like, I just told myself to man up basically.
00:20:43.880 And I downplayed the incident in my head and I didn't really realize just how it affected me.
00:20:47.260 But also, I knew that at the time I wouldn't really be able to speak out about it because I, if I told my parents, then they would bring it up to the, to the school, the, the school office.
00:20:58.200 And I know the school would probably just give the kid a slap on the wrist and he would maybe be suspended for a few days and then come back and maybe do something worse to me.
00:21:05.420 Wow.
00:21:06.560 Holy cow. 0.89
00:21:07.460 Um, what a, I can't imagine growing up today.
00:21:12.260 Today, I mean, when I first saw, uh, Bruce Jenner, I mean, I grew up when he was an Olympian, when I saw him tell his story and before, was it before or right after he became Caitlin?
00:21:26.540 I thought, I can't, I, I feel so horrible that he spent his whole life feeling like that.
00:21:34.040 I don't want anybody to feel like that.
00:21:36.580 And it's a terrible feeling.
00:21:37.420 I still struggle with it to this day.
00:21:38.900 Man, it's, it's gotta be horrible, horrible.
00:21:42.920 And you want to be compassionate.
00:21:47.600 I mean, I don't, you know, Bruce Jenner, Caitlyn Jenner, whatever, whatever, it doesn't affect me.
00:21:54.100 Um, but I don't know what the compassionate thing is.
00:22:00.080 Um, but I, I think, and help me out on this.
00:22:04.720 I think until you've become an adult and you've settled, I don't think if I would have made decisions on anything, I, if I would have had a tattoo, I probably had a Popeye tattoo on my face today.
00:22:20.860 You know, you just don't make good decisions at that time.
00:22:25.260 What is the most compassionate thing to do?
00:22:29.400 I mean, it really, it really depends.
00:22:32.000 You have to wait until the individual is an adult and preferably a fully developed adult.
00:22:38.080 Um, but they, they'll, they'll say to you, well, you will, yeah, but there's no puberty blockers.
00:22:45.720 They can't, if they miss that window, then they miss it forever.
00:22:51.160 It's not true.
00:22:51.860 I mean, I know a lot of people who have transitioned well into their adulthood, like, uh, like Buck Angel and Sarah Higdon and a few others.
00:22:59.840 And they're pretty satisfied with their transitions.
00:23:04.280 There's, there shouldn't be a rush to make things, make kids do things at an age where they're known to make rash decisions.
00:23:14.320 So gender affirming care is what you received, right?
00:23:19.280 But it wasn't really affirming anything other than my delusion.
00:23:24.260 Explain that.
00:23:25.300 I mean, I genuinely believe that I was a boy, but that couldn't possibly be true because I was born, I was born female and sex is an immutable trait.
00:23:37.340 But they'll tell you that sex and gender are different.
00:23:43.700 That's, that's where the argument kind of falls apart.
00:23:47.040 But there's, there's a lot of places where it falls apart, actually.
00:23:50.880 Yeah.
00:23:52.240 Yeah.
00:23:52.880 It doesn't make sense.
00:23:54.220 Okay.
00:23:54.540 And they say like, there's, they say that gender is like, I mean, they say all sorts of things about it.
00:24:00.500 Like it's, uh, it's like in the brain and it's immutable, but also that it's like this detached entity from the body that somehow determines what you, who you are.
00:24:11.940 Kind of like a, like a soul almost.
00:24:14.480 Mm-hmm.
00:24:16.600 It just, it doesn't make sense.
00:24:18.260 Um, okay, so you had this gender affirming care. 1.00
00:24:25.080 You had parents who were lied to and were just, I mean, I honestly, I don't know what to do as a parent.
00:24:32.860 I don't want to do, all I want to know is, is my child happy and healthy and how can I help them navigate?
00:24:42.240 This is all new stuff to parents.
00:24:45.200 They have no idea.
00:24:46.980 So your parents are lied to on top of it.
00:24:50.700 Um, and so you start taking the, the blockers and everything.
00:24:56.800 What is that like to take the blockers and then to take testosterone?
00:25:00.760 Testosterone.
00:25:01.520 What happened?
00:25:02.160 What did that feel like to you?
00:25:03.480 Yeah.
00:25:03.780 So I'd say the, the amount of time between, um, getting like the dysphoria diagnosis and actually getting like the prescriptions and then starting on the blockers and the testosterone was really, it was only a matter of months.
00:25:19.760 It hadn't even been like a full year.
00:25:21.780 It was only a few months after that I started that I, that I talked to my gender specialist and I was like, I want to, I want to go the medical route.
00:25:30.060 I want to start taking testosterone and become more, yeah, more like my real self, this image of myself that I had in my head.
00:25:39.020 Um, the first endocrinologist I was referred to actually had, um, he said, no, he did not allow me to go on these treatments because he said that there would be concerns for my brain development because I was so young.
00:25:53.560 He doesn't, he didn't really know like how that might affect like my cognitive and emotional development going forward.
00:26:00.560 But I should have listened.
00:26:05.300 We should have listened.
00:26:05.960 But I mean, we heard this from nobody else.
00:26:10.400 He's very brave doctor.
00:26:12.240 He's probably been fired or had to resign by now for doing that.
00:26:16.140 Honestly, did you saw the doctor in California, right?
00:26:18.760 Yeah.
00:26:19.860 Guarantee he's, he's either, um, silenced himself or he is, uh, no longer working.
00:26:27.320 And it shouldn't be that way, but have you reached out to him?
00:26:31.660 I have not.
00:26:32.980 You should.
00:26:33.860 And just say, I've thought of it.
00:26:35.180 Yeah.
00:26:35.900 That would have been, especially if he's really struggling to know that somebody.
00:26:40.500 I mean, there's a lot of doctors in the situation who want to speak out, but they just can't.
00:26:46.260 They feel.
00:26:47.080 Oh yeah.
00:26:47.920 Stifled.
00:26:49.120 Oh, I know.
00:26:50.460 I know.
00:26:50.940 And I don't know if that's scarier or the doctors that truly believe this.
00:26:56.360 I'd say it's equally pretty scary.
00:27:01.680 Yeah.
00:27:01.840 But, um, it was very easy to just get referred to another endocrinologist who, after like two or three appointments gave me and my mom the consent forms and like the side effect forms to sign off on.
00:27:13.380 Um, and two months after that was when I think I was given my first blocker shot.
00:27:20.200 And then, and what, did you feel anything when that came in?
00:27:24.560 Did you, were any changes happening to you or is that just stopping progress?
00:27:30.040 Um, I mean, it stopped the natural development of the sex hormones in my body.
00:27:35.820 Right.
00:27:36.060 Um, that caused just a few side effects, um, which I was informed of.
00:27:41.600 Um, but you were fine.
00:27:45.040 Um, no, I'm not sure because, um, well, all is on it while I was on them alone without the testosterone because I had, you know, after all the sex hormones were like flushed out of my body, I just felt kind of depressed.
00:27:58.680 Right.
00:27:59.680 And so.
00:28:01.640 And nothing.
00:28:02.820 Yeah.
00:28:03.160 Yeah.
00:28:03.300 Yeah.
00:28:03.520 It was like, I was waking up basically waiting for the first testosterone shot every day.
00:28:08.760 But, um, after a while, because it basically puts the body into a state of artificial menopause.
00:28:16.760 I started experiencing hot flashes, which were really bad.
00:28:20.100 Like I couldn't wear like pants or warm clothes in the winter and they would make my whole body itchy.
00:28:25.020 And whenever, whenever they would come up, it was really hard to focus on.
00:28:29.300 And whatever.
00:28:30.080 Yeah.
00:28:30.240 Oh, my wife has gone through it and she, it was, it's hell.
00:28:35.100 It's hell.
00:28:35.840 No, 13 year olds should have to go through that.
00:28:37.240 No, no.
00:28:38.860 So then you get your first shot of testosterone.
00:28:41.740 What did that feel like to you?
00:28:43.860 It was, I mean, for lack of better words, it was euphoric.
00:28:49.160 I mean, I finally had like, I had my energy back and, you know, I started, it was like this big milestone for me.
00:28:58.880 And, you know, after, after some time, after maybe a week, I started noticing my voice was starting to drop.
00:29:04.500 And after a few weeks to a few months, my features started to get more, more squarish, more masculine.
00:29:13.460 And my hair started growing thicker and I started growing some muscle.
00:29:17.840 And I mean, I felt good about myself.
00:29:20.040 I felt like I looked good.
00:29:21.000 Did you feel differently or did you just see things differently?
00:29:26.000 When, I mean, I'm sorry, this is probably a stupid question, but I've never talked to anybody who's done that.
00:29:33.580 So do you, did you, when you got your energy back, was it a different kind of energy or did it feel like when you felt good as a girl?
00:29:42.960 I mean, it's kind of hard to gauge how much of it was just like a.
00:29:47.020 Actual and thinking.
00:29:48.400 Yeah.
00:29:48.940 Okay.
00:29:50.300 I would say it's probably a little bit of both.
00:29:52.000 I mean, testosterone has.
00:29:55.260 Maybe it's kind of an exaggeration to say it like this, but sort of like a stimulant effect.
00:29:58.480 I mean, it gives you more energy, more drive to do things.
00:30:02.060 You become a little more competitive.
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00:32:02.540 Okay, so you start getting that.
00:32:04.840 Then.
00:32:05.660 I was in eighth grade at the time.
00:32:06.620 I was, I was 13.
00:32:07.920 Eighth grade.
00:32:11.180 It was the second half of my eighth grade year.
00:32:13.300 Did you get the, this is what year?
00:32:16.360 2016?
00:32:17.720 2018.
00:32:18.240 2018.
00:32:19.920 2018.
00:32:21.000 Yes.
00:32:21.720 So this is not like the dark ages.
00:32:24.180 This is like now and at the height of everybody saying, oh, celebrate and accept.
00:32:30.320 Yeah.
00:32:30.920 Right.
00:32:31.640 Did you get that acceptance?
00:32:33.160 Um, I mean, I had some friends online who would like celebrate like every, basically every
00:32:43.160 big milestone in my transition in like, kind of, I guess you'd say like affirmed me, but
00:32:50.000 um, I mean, my family was accepting.
00:32:53.440 I wouldn't say that they celebrated my transition specifically, but, um.
00:32:57.020 They were loving.
00:32:58.080 Mm-hmm.
00:32:58.420 Mm-hmm.
00:33:00.780 Did you have, did, did you get that feeling when you thought, wow, these people are doing
00:33:06.680 this and they're popular and they're happy and they're happy and I want to do that, that
00:33:10.660 feeling that you had at 11.
00:33:12.020 I would say a little down, down the road.
00:33:14.620 Um, when I was in, when I was in eighth grade, I was, you know, I was, I was still in middle
00:33:19.180 school.
00:33:19.420 And so people, the people around me weren't really the nicest at school.
00:33:23.420 I don't think, I don't think girls until maybe, well, I don't know when, until at least, you 0.96
00:33:28.560 know, 18, I think they're vicious.
00:33:31.520 Oh yeah.
00:33:31.800 They are vicious.
00:33:32.720 Yeah.
00:33:33.140 Um, some girls didn't treat me very nicely when I was transitioning. 1.00
00:33:37.360 They would, um, they would ask some legitimate questions, but other times they would just like
00:33:41.760 harass me a little bit.
00:33:42.940 And, um, I mean, it kind of was like an outcast amongst my, my peers.
00:33:49.540 I bet.
00:33:50.200 Because you're a neither world.
00:33:52.520 Yeah.
00:33:54.500 So, and how did the boys react to you?
00:33:59.100 Um, it kind of depended.
00:34:00.300 Like most of them were like, what is going on?
00:34:04.980 Yeah.
00:34:05.680 Right.
00:34:06.160 But I, I made, I made some friends who were, who were boys and they're, they're fun to be
00:34:09.560 around.
00:34:09.900 And I made some pretty good friendships with them.
00:34:12.060 But, um, boys are pretty much dogs.
00:34:14.640 They're just like, whatever.
00:34:17.260 Yeah, exactly.
00:34:18.700 That's what I liked about them.
00:34:22.080 Um, by the time I got into high school, I was on testosterone for long enough that, um,
00:34:28.140 I mean, I passed as the opposite sex pretty well.
00:34:31.580 My voice was deep enough and I didn't really have to worry about anything other than like
00:34:35.320 getting like my, my files changed.
00:34:37.780 Um, but, um, throughout high school, nobody actually really knew that I was transgender
00:34:42.700 even.
00:34:44.420 Um, so you go to a bigger high school or a different high school.
00:34:48.700 Yeah.
00:34:49.040 Yeah.
00:34:49.340 Nobody, nobody knows your past.
00:34:51.120 So you're just accepted as a boy.
00:34:52.940 Yeah.
00:34:53.140 So, I mean, some people who I know I knew in like elementary and middle school knew, and
00:34:58.780 then I was outed behind my back a few times to like a small number of people, but nobody
00:35:02.920 could really guess that I was a girl.
00:35:05.340 I mean, I was just a short guy to them.
00:35:07.420 Right.
00:35:07.780 I'm not, I'm not that tall.
00:35:09.320 I'm like five foot three, five foot four.
00:35:11.600 But I mean, considering my age at the time, I was only like 15, 14, 15, 16.
00:35:17.520 So it was kind of just like, maybe he's like a late bloomer or something.
00:35:20.260 So are you still binding your breast at this point or what point do you decide to have
00:35:24.160 the mastectomy?
00:35:25.140 So, um, I'd say about halfway into my sophomore year was when I decided that I wanted to get
00:35:32.960 a mastectomy.
00:35:33.440 I was, I was 15 at the time and, um, by, by this point I had been binding for maybe
00:35:38.520 about like two, two and a half years.
00:35:40.960 And, you know, I was, I was really sick of it because binders are basically like these
00:35:46.020 compression devices that cover the torso and in the chest area, it was like a, there's
00:35:50.940 like a, like compression fabric to basically flatten the appearance of the breasts. 1.00
00:35:56.580 And some, some people get like really bad, like breasts, rib, back pain from it.
00:36:02.240 I never really, can I, can I tell you that I think this to me is akin in a child, it is
00:36:09.360 akin to when the Chinese used to bind women's feet. 0.99
00:36:13.980 I mean, this is, this is just not good.
00:36:18.140 It's not good.
00:36:19.220 Yeah, I, I never really experienced like pain, but I did have like discomfort from, from it
00:36:27.480 like basically sticking to me whenever I would like work out or like swim.
00:36:31.420 And I didn't realize this until after my breasts were gone, but they actually deformed my ribs
00:36:36.540 a little bit because they did.
00:36:38.080 Yeah.
00:36:38.560 Um, I think it's mostly because I was, I was still growing when I was using one.
00:36:42.940 Um, they basically pushed the breast into the rib cage and I wasn't like large chest or
00:36:49.260 anything.
00:36:49.480 I was, I was rather small and I had a, I had a very small build and it fit well and it's
00:36:55.820 still, it's still caused damage.
00:36:57.660 Is that going to affect any of your internal organs in the years to come?
00:37:01.940 It's, it's not too bad.
00:37:03.220 I don't think it's just a little, yeah.
00:37:04.460 But it is noticeable.
00:37:06.780 So when you went in for a double mastectomy, was there anyone who said, real problem, don't
00:37:19.960 do this?
00:37:22.340 No, there wasn't really like any psychological evaluation, which, um, before in the months
00:37:30.740 before I got my mastectomy, actually, I had like a, I had like a note from one of my doctors
00:37:36.600 to my school, basically saying that I would be taking leave because I was in a lot of distress.
00:37:42.400 Um, over the course of my transition, um, I actually developed more psychiatric issues
00:37:49.700 as time went on.
00:37:50.760 Um, you know, I was, I kind of thought that like, I was really a boy and by, by doing this,
00:37:58.660 I would become my, I would become at peace in myself.
00:38:02.520 I would, I would become whole.
00:38:06.000 Um, but it just, it just tore me apart more and more.
00:38:08.780 And, uh.
00:38:09.240 Okay.
00:38:09.500 So wait, wait, wait.
00:38:12.440 Was there a period of time where you thought this is going to be great and it is, I'm transitioning
00:38:19.240 now medically and it is good.
00:38:21.080 I was very sure until the end, until after my, my, my surgery.
00:38:25.180 And so when did the, the doubts start to come in just after the surgery?
00:38:30.640 Um, it's kind of complicated because I mean, right after the surgery, like the moment I
00:38:37.360 woke up to the moments, the first few days at home post-op, I was, I was pretty happy.
00:38:44.900 Um, I mean, I was.
00:38:46.300 Even though you were in pain, you were happy.
00:38:48.280 The pain wasn't too bad.
00:38:49.820 It was like a deep muscle soreness, but the pain from the, the pain medications, um, it
00:38:55.560 caused me like some really bad digestive issues and I, I had to go off of them within like
00:38:59.820 two days.
00:39:00.460 That was the most physically painful part about it.
00:39:03.420 But eventually reality kind of struck me.
00:39:05.580 Like I would, I wasn't allowed to like shower for a week basically just to protect like the,
00:39:11.620 yeah.
00:39:11.920 But after I was like allowed to and I started bathing and I had to like take care of my,
00:39:17.660 my dressings and these big wounds on my chest, it was like, I can barely look at myself.
00:39:25.900 Like the thoughts of maybe this wasn't the right thing, um, didn't start until like a
00:39:34.000 while after though, because I did start feeling some grief, but I couldn't really identify what
00:39:39.640 the feeling was because it was like, I was so invested in this.
00:39:43.460 I was maybe like three or four years into transitioning at this point and like everybody around me knew
00:39:50.280 me as Leo and, um, you know, I didn't even look like a girl at this point anymore.
00:39:56.920 And it was just hard to think that it was the wrong, the wrong thing.
00:40:02.840 You're too deep.
00:40:03.780 When people get deep into something, the hardest thing is to, to admit to yourself, oh, this,
00:40:12.140 this was wrong and change.
00:40:13.840 That's one of the reasons why I said you're so amazingly brave.
00:40:17.800 So amazingly brave.
00:40:18.700 Thank you.
00:40:19.720 Um, so you start to have these feelings of, oh, were you longing to be a girl?
00:40:30.960 Were you realizing that it's, this is a lie that, you know, I'm going to be happy being
00:40:37.580 this was a lie or what was it that you were feeling?
00:40:41.640 At first it was like, wow, I really miss like looking feminine, being pretty.
00:40:47.920 And, um, I would like secretly, I was so embarrassed about it.
00:40:52.440 I shouldn't have been because, you know, I was actually, I'm actually a girl and there's
00:40:56.960 like, there's nothing wrong with any of that.
00:40:58.780 But behind my parents' back, I basically bought like some makeup and like skirts and stuff.
00:41:06.380 And like, I would just like, kind of like stay in my room and just like play video games
00:41:09.940 while, while wearing this stuff and not really go out like that.
00:41:12.940 But I sort of, I started to withdraw a little bit from like the people around me and my surroundings.
00:41:21.520 I would just kind of just be, just stay in my room, like play video games all day and just draw and just be in my own world
00:41:28.780 because I didn't want to live in reality.
00:41:31.380 I didn't want to live in a reality where I looked like a boy and I, I felt stuck like that.
00:41:35.380 So, um, eventually my grade performance started to, started to drop.
00:41:40.680 Um, I mean, this is around the time that, uh, COVID restrictions started to come into place
00:41:45.960 and they started doing like the distance learning model.
00:41:48.860 And, um, so that, that, that made, that made it a lot harder for me.
00:41:54.420 And I was kind of, I was kind of just stuck in this headspace because I couldn't really like,
00:42:00.540 I couldn't really go out and like see my, my peers or anything.
00:42:06.200 So I was stuck on, yeah, I was stuck in my room, stuck in the internet all day.
00:42:10.360 And, um, eventually I stopped paying attention to my classes and, um, basically just withdrew from the world as a whole.
00:42:19.020 And my, my parents decided to take me out of school and put me into an online only program.
00:42:24.400 Um, um, and during the second, um, the second quarter of the online program, I was taking a psychology class
00:42:34.840 and there was like a, there were some, some chapters on like child development and, um, parenthood.
00:42:42.900 And, um, there was like a, like a lesson on how like breastfeeding and physical contact
00:42:56.000 plays a role in, um, in the bond between mother and child and then eventually goes on to affect
00:43:03.960 like child development, like psychological, emotional development, problem solving.
00:43:08.800 And I realized that like, I was told before my surgery that I would lose my ability to breastfeed,
00:43:16.760 but I didn't really think this was important because, you know, I, I saw myself as a man
00:43:21.140 and men don't do that. 0.98
00:43:22.820 And I could just, I could just use formula.
00:43:26.380 Yeah, exactly.
00:43:27.100 I didn't know what parenthood would look like for me because I wasn't thinking about that.
00:43:29.780 I was thinking about like getting my schoolwork done and fitting in, but.
00:43:33.840 But when that hits you, that I, I can't chestfeed, I can't breastfeed a child if I want to someday.
00:43:49.780 And I realized like, not only did I lose the ability to naturally feed my kid, but I also
00:43:57.400 could, it's so much more than just feeding them.
00:44:00.720 Like it plays a role in, in, it's an important part of, of the bond between a mother and her children.
00:44:08.640 And I didn't know this, but when I realized that I took this away from myself, I felt like a monster.
00:44:14.020 Like I, that was probably my worst.
00:44:20.580 I was probably at, at rock bottom at that point.
00:44:23.140 And, and I just spent a few weeks just at my absolute lowest.
00:44:29.700 And it wasn't until like, maybe like two weeks later after I finished that lesson that I was like,
00:44:37.020 this is all wrong.
00:44:39.340 And I regret every single step of this.
00:44:42.920 This shouldn't have happened.
00:44:44.120 And, and it's, it's, it's, it's just made everything worse.
00:44:50.140 And I feel like I'll never be able to go back.
00:44:53.260 And that is true in some ways.
00:44:55.680 I'll never be able to, to feed my children.
00:44:57.920 I don't know if I'll be able to safely carry a child to term because I was so young when I started
00:45:03.760 medicalization, but, um, that night when I made the realization, it was like, it was kind of like
00:45:15.880 coming out all over, all over again.
00:45:18.420 Um, but even, even scarier this time, cause like me and my parents and my family were so
00:45:26.220 invested in this and it was, it was all for nothing.
00:45:30.020 And I just felt like such a burden.
00:45:32.380 That must have torn you apart.
00:45:32.920 Yeah.
00:45:33.700 And I couldn't even bring myself to talk to my mom face to face about it.
00:45:38.500 So I, I, I texted her and I, I texted a friend about it and I, I called, I called him, but
00:45:44.420 it took a while for me to be able to have that conversation face to face.
00:45:49.420 And, you know, sometimes my mom would like check up on me, like asking me if I was okay
00:45:53.440 coming to my, my room to like bring me food and stuff.
00:45:57.020 But it, um, it took a while to really, I guess, get the ball rolling and figure out where to
00:46:07.120 go from there.
00:46:07.920 Um, I stopped taking testosterone almost immediately and, um, that impacted my health quite a bit
00:46:14.020 actually.
00:46:14.340 I, um, because of the deficit of sex hormones in my body, I got, I was like really, um, I
00:46:23.560 was having really bad, like mood swings and I was very prone to like emotional outbursts
00:46:27.000 and, um, I was not at my most stable.
00:46:30.480 I wasn't very nice and I did, I did lose a few friends, all of them actually, every friend
00:46:37.060 that I had at school and, um, I lost quite a few.
00:46:41.840 You know, you're, you know, all of this is okay, right?
00:46:46.200 You know that, you know that this is, this was not you being a monster.
00:46:54.400 This was not you, you know, this was you as a kid making decisions that honestly shouldn't
00:47:03.440 have been, in my opinion, shouldn't have been, um, made, shouldn't have been options for you,
00:47:10.120 but not to blame anybody else, but you know that anything that happened, you, you can release
00:47:17.180 that, you know, you know that, don't you?
00:47:19.620 Good.
00:47:19.860 Um, but it, it, I got very sickly afterward as well.
00:47:24.620 I dropped like 25 pounds within a matter of two months and I was prone to getting ill,
00:47:30.980 um, and, um, testosterone had some side effects for me.
00:47:39.160 Um, maybe after like a year to a year and a half, I started developing like some, some urinary
00:47:44.220 tract issues and by going off testosterone, it actually worsened for a little bit.
00:47:49.580 Um, and did you start taking hormones?
00:47:54.580 Um, no, I just stopped taking testosterone, stopped taking testosterone, basically had to
00:48:00.320 wait it out.
00:48:01.060 And, um, I did get my period about two months after the fact, which I think I'm, I'm very,
00:48:06.380 I'm very lucky for it because sometimes it never comes back.
00:48:09.580 Right.
00:48:09.940 Yeah.
00:48:10.520 They came very soon and, um, they've been very regular since, which is a miracle.
00:48:16.560 I think because when, when I started the, I was so young that they hadn't even regulated
00:48:21.780 yet.
00:48:22.060 I only had about like three to four per year.
00:48:24.600 Um, so I guess there must've been at least some development having gone on my body somehow.
00:48:31.940 Luckily.
00:48:32.220 There was a story this week, uh, that came from the Netherlands, the Dutch are, are buying 0.99
00:48:41.300 farmers out or just pulling their property away.
00:48:45.920 Um, because the farmers, um, aren't going to be able to grow anything or have branches anymore
00:48:54.260 because of the, uh, the nitrogen that is now being outlawed, you know, because of the world
00:49:01.320 economic forum and global warming, this is coming to America.
00:49:05.560 This is a very big deal that people just don't understand what's coming.
00:49:11.600 Good ranchers is there.
00:49:13.240 Um, I started looking for a company that would support ranches like mine.
00:49:18.360 I mean, I don't need it.
00:49:19.560 I luckily I, I don't depend on ranching as my business.
00:49:22.880 Um, however, there are people in my community ranchers who are barely holding on because they
00:49:30.560 just can't afford to stay open.
00:49:32.540 And if the government keeps twisting the knife, they're out.
00:49:35.520 And that means we won't have either farms.
00:49:38.720 They'll all be big industrial farms, or you will, uh, you'll have a rancher that just can't
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00:50:34.420 How's your friend network now?
00:50:36.920 Um, I mean, it's not exactly where I want it to be.
00:50:40.680 Um, some of my old friends really strongly disagree with, um, with what I'm doing now.
00:50:47.640 And, um, they haven't really been transitioned.
00:50:52.720 Yeah.
00:50:52.900 I have a friend who, um, is biologically female, right? 0.97
00:51:00.080 Like, like me, but I'm transitioning to like a male identity.
00:51:03.820 And so is it, is it because you've betrayed or you, what, what is the problem?
00:51:12.300 Yeah, um, I will, I had a few friends before who were transgender, both online and, excuse 1.00
00:51:19.340 me, in person, but, um, they, a lot of them, they cut ties with me or they started like,
00:51:26.820 um, like harassing me because, um, I mean, I think there's a lot of factors like jealousy
00:51:33.820 and fear of being wrong themselves.
00:51:36.620 Um, a lot of them say things like, you don't deserve parents who loved you enough to let
00:51:42.740 you, let you transition or you, you were 13, you weren't, you weren't a baby.
00:51:47.460 You knew exactly what you were doing to yourself.
00:51:49.480 My gosh.
00:51:50.320 Are these people your age or older?
00:51:53.540 Around my age, if not like a few years older.
00:51:55.740 They're, they're, I find that a lot of them are very, very stunted in, in a few ways.
00:52:04.380 And so they don't really understand just the, the weight of the, the situation, unfortunately.
00:52:10.820 And they're going, almost all of them are going through their own thing right now.
00:52:16.860 Like no, no mentally healthy person would be saying these things.
00:52:20.240 Because they're, they're afraid and they're, they're struggling themselves.
00:52:28.900 And seeing me going down, having been, having gone down this route, further down this route
00:52:34.340 than they have, being jealous of that, but also seeing that I was, after so much time and
00:52:40.440 effort, I was still wrong.
00:52:41.800 That's, I think that's, that's terrifying for them.
00:52:43.940 And so there's a lot of mixed emotions and they can't really, they can't really handle
00:52:48.740 it.
00:52:49.340 And they just.
00:52:50.920 But if it truly is about accepting people who, for who they are, you know, who I was when
00:52:57.140 I was 20 is not who I am today, you know, and we grow, we change, we're different, we learn.
00:53:05.320 Absolutely.
00:53:05.880 And nobody really talks about this, but the way you feel about transition will change over
00:53:10.540 the course of one year, two years, five years, a decade, several decades.
00:53:16.840 And there's kind of a honeymoon phase with each, with each, with each stage of, with each
00:53:22.960 part of the process.
00:53:25.840 And I didn't really know about this until I went through all of it.
00:53:29.420 And I'm just, I'm just trying to, to warn them now.
00:53:32.820 They're all, they're all adults and I can't really, their parents can't really do anything
00:53:36.420 about them transitioning, but I just, I'm worried for them and I don't want them to end
00:53:41.700 up the, the same way that I am now, or if not, if not worse.
00:53:46.740 What, what do you wish would have happened if you had to replay it and you'd be like,
00:53:55.540 this is what should have happened?
00:53:58.140 What, what should that have been?
00:53:59.860 I shouldn't have been allowed to medically transition at all.
00:54:03.780 Um, they, I wish there was a more thorough assessment and more trust between me and my
00:54:14.580 healthcare provider, because there are some things that I couldn't really trust the adults
00:54:19.160 with, unfortunately, like, like the groping incident.
00:54:25.820 How do you mean you couldn't trust an adult with that?
00:54:28.100 I just felt like, like speaking about it would just make the situation worse.
00:54:33.200 And maybe that was kind of on me, but I don't know.
00:54:39.580 Growing up, I just kind of had like a, sort of like a mistrust of the adults and even some
00:54:45.400 of the people around me.
00:54:47.580 So what is the compassionate thing to do?
00:54:54.040 13 year old, let's start with a doctor.
00:54:56.900 What is the compassionate thing to do?
00:54:59.380 Probe more and.
00:55:01.200 Yes.
00:55:01.420 Okay.
00:55:01.780 And bar them from any, any treatments.
00:55:05.520 Okay.
00:55:07.300 Apparently.
00:55:07.660 Until, until they're, until they're an adult and they're at a point in time when they're
00:55:12.200 in a mental state that, that is healthy and they're able to be informed and able to consent.
00:55:20.220 Right.
00:55:20.560 You don't have anything else and confuse it.
00:55:22.920 When you first go through puberty, it is confusing already.
00:55:30.040 What's the most compassionate thing a parent can do?
00:55:33.760 Because your folks sound compassionate.
00:55:38.240 What, what, what should I, if you were my daughter, what should I do to show support and compassion?
00:55:46.840 I mean, really the best thing to do is to show them love without affirming the delusion.
00:55:56.540 Tell them that they, they're not a boy and they never will be, but you accept them as they
00:56:02.040 are and there's nothing that they need to change about themselves.
00:56:04.660 Right.
00:56:04.760 But if you want to wear boy clothing, I don't care. 0.98
00:56:08.820 It's no problem.
00:56:09.820 Right.
00:56:10.820 But calling, you would have, when you were 15, if you were a friend of my daughter and
00:56:17.740 you came over to my house and they would have introduced you as Leo, I would have called
00:56:26.300 you Leo.
00:56:27.680 I mean, you wouldn't even have known.
00:56:28.840 But if I, but if I did, I still would go, Hey Leo, but I would tell my daughter, Leo
00:56:35.000 is, is not a boy, but unless I knew you will, I wouldn't say that to you, but I would tell
00:56:43.560 my daughter, she's a, she, okay.
00:56:47.860 Is that wrong to do that?
00:56:50.280 And not say, I don't judge Leo.
00:56:53.000 Leo, I, I'm happy for Leo if Leo is happy, but here's the truth.
00:56:59.220 That's, that's not compassionate in today's society.
00:57:02.340 That's wrong.
00:57:03.240 But there's, it's only the truth and there's nothing wrong with telling the truth.
00:57:09.180 Um, what do you say to people who say no pronouns, whatever you pick, I have to say that because 1.00
00:57:19.460 it's the only right thing to do.
00:57:23.000 Because I just want you to be happy.
00:57:25.980 Yeah.
00:57:26.260 It's, it's complicated.
00:57:27.880 I mean, that's really tough.
00:57:32.220 I, I refer to people by the name and the pronouns they, they want me to, but unless they go out
00:57:38.620 of their way to like disrespect me.
00:57:41.400 Right.
00:57:41.940 And like, for instance, I've never had a problem with Caitlyn Jenner.
00:57:45.800 Never.
00:57:46.640 Don't have a problem.
00:57:48.700 But that's an adult.
00:57:50.780 Exactly.
00:57:51.180 You know, when a child or, I'm sorry, I'm just getting to the point where 25 years old
00:57:57.680 is still a child to me.
00:57:58.980 But when somebody who hasn't really gone through life yet decides I'm Bambi, a deer, I have
00:58:11.480 a hard time.
00:58:12.100 But if you're 50 years old and you're, I'm no, I'm a furry animal.
00:58:15.820 Okay.
00:58:16.080 Whatever.
00:58:17.120 Whatever.
00:58:17.600 That makes you happy.
00:58:18.440 It's, it's interesting that we're allowing kids and young adults to make these decisions
00:58:26.700 that affect their overall health and their fertility when, I mean, a lot of people don't even know
00:58:33.300 that they want to have kids until they're well into their thirties or forties.
00:58:36.020 I would have, if 15 years old, if, if a vasectomy was a thing, so I never had kids, count me
00:58:43.640 in.
00:58:44.120 Yeah.
00:58:44.620 Um, I remember the endocrinologist, the one who affirmed me, um, asked me like, do you
00:58:50.900 know that this treatment may affect your, your fertility?
00:58:54.060 I was like, oh, I don't want to have kids because I was 13.
00:58:57.860 Um, yeah, right.
00:58:59.500 I don't know a kid that wants a kid.
00:59:03.620 Um, how's your safety?
00:59:10.120 Uh, I mean, it's, it's.
00:59:13.620 Don't, don't tell me anything that you shouldn't, I don't want to make it worse for you, but do
00:59:17.300 you fear for it at all?
00:59:20.540 A little bit.
00:59:21.300 Yes.
00:59:21.760 Um, I mean, I haven't been like recognized in public, but it might be getting to the
00:59:27.320 point where I have to worry about that.
00:59:29.400 I mean, I have, I have old friends in my area who strongly disagree with me and they're
00:59:36.780 not very friendly towards me.
00:59:41.620 And, and I mean, all over, all over the country, there's, there's people like that who, you
00:59:49.680 I mean, I get, I get really, really hateful, really violent threats sometimes.
00:59:54.840 I had somebody make two accounts on Twitter just to tell me that they were making like
01:00:00.340 a, like a sex doll out of me, basically out of my image.
01:00:05.480 Hmm.
01:00:08.160 And some people like threatened, threatened violence or like threatened to, to kill me or
01:00:12.260 assault me just, just for speaking out and giving my peace.
01:00:19.680 Um, can you define what a woman is? 0.96
01:00:23.420 Adult, human, female. 0.64
01:00:26.920 But what does that mean?
01:00:28.780 What does that mean?
01:00:31.060 Uh, well, adult just means fully developed physically, mentally, and human.
01:00:39.700 Um, um, homo sapiens.
01:00:45.820 I don't think I'll have to explain that, but, um, female just means that you produce or your 1.00
01:00:52.140 body is, um, centered around the production of the large gamete, the, the ova, the eggs.
01:00:58.980 It's, it's that simple.
01:01:00.840 And just because you can't produce it doesn't mean for reasons like menopause or being too
01:01:07.000 young or having some sort of condition doesn't make you, doesn't make you not female.
01:01:11.000 It's just, you're not able to.
01:01:13.480 Right.
01:01:14.740 Right.
01:01:15.020 Um, if you could go back and talk to your 11 year old self and, and really have her
01:01:28.360 listen, try to put yourself where you were, where you thought you knew, what would you
01:01:36.040 say to her?
01:01:37.300 That's a hard one.
01:01:40.400 I feel like I would have a lot to say, but I think the, one of the most, one of the important
01:01:45.840 things would be that, I mean, it's in such an image oriented society, it's kind of, and
01:01:56.100 especially with the advent of social media, it's really hard for young girls to really
01:02:00.780 recognize this.
01:02:01.540 But I mean, your worth is so much more than your looks.
01:02:07.300 Um, I would tell her to spend a little less time off the, off of the internet and social
01:02:18.880 media and go out a little bit more, maybe play a few sports to really focus on, on something
01:02:26.840 other than my body and the internet and, um, just to, it was really hard to make friends
01:02:40.100 at the school I was at, but I could have been a little closer with my family.
01:02:43.820 I feel like I would have been a lot happier if I was.
01:02:45.700 Talk to a parent.
01:02:52.700 Your daughter or your son comes home and says, I don't know what I am, but I think I'm in
01:02:58.860 the wrong body.
01:03:02.000 How do the parents deal with that?
01:03:03.700 I mean, I think the conversation should start with, um, trying to get to understand each
01:03:12.500 other and letting your child know that you love them, but that there's, there's absolutely
01:03:19.720 nothing wrong with them, that there's no such thing as being born in the wrong body and
01:03:24.320 that they're, they're fine just as they are.
01:03:26.540 But, but as a parent, it's really important to get down to the bottom of why, why they're
01:03:32.520 feeling such a way and where they got the idea from and basically going from there.
01:03:38.740 Chances are you might have to restrict their social media usage or take away their phones
01:03:43.440 entirely.
01:03:45.340 Boy, I tell you, in some states, California, you could be a gender denier and you'd have your
01:03:53.240 child taken from you.
01:03:54.280 Yeah, I, I actually know a few parents who have had their, who lost all custody of their
01:04:00.900 children because they won't affirm their kids.
01:04:04.140 Are they heroes or monsters?
01:04:06.820 They're absolutely heroes because they fight for their kids.
01:04:12.820 I have to tell you, I just love you so much.
01:04:16.180 You are, you came in and you smiled and you, there are times that I can see deep sadness
01:04:22.740 in you, but you are a delightful person.
01:04:28.060 You really are great.
01:04:29.260 Thank you.
01:04:29.920 Yeah.
01:04:30.200 Thank you.
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