The Glenn Beck Program - Ep 17 ｜ Giancarlo Sopo

00:00:00.000 I feel a little I mean not just because of my size but I feel a little like Horton and I don't

00:00:21.120 know if you are a speck or a who you know Horton hears a who the story yeah yeah yeah so are

00:00:29.500 are you just an individual democrat that has common sense or do you represent are there a lot

00:00:42.000 of you are there more people like you yeah you know it's it's a it's so crazy um I measure my

00:00:51.180 political uh ideology every couple of months is to kind of see hey has have I changed on something

00:00:56.260 right and I have not changed and it's this is just who I've always been um and I I think there was a

00:01:03.640 point last year where I saw Dave Rubin's why I left the left video and I saw him point out a lot of

00:01:10.840 things that I wasn't really like like conscious of like the stuff that was going off on like going on

00:01:16.100 on college campuses like I had heard about that kind of stuff but I always thought those are like

00:01:20.100 isolated incidents it's like it's sort of like a distraction it's really not not happening and so

00:01:26.340 when I started like reading more about it and I started being becoming more like keenly aware of

00:01:31.220 everything that was going on I was like hey there's a lot of problem on my side too and you know I went

00:01:38.000 to a catholic school so I'd always remember you know the the verse in the bible about taking the the

00:01:42.860 log out of your own eye before you look at the speck and your brothers and I started thinking about

00:01:46.860 what are some things on on my side that we could also improve upon and it just really became

00:01:53.460 apparent to me that that there was a movement within the democratic party I don't know when it

00:01:58.520 happened um and I I don't want to say just like within the party as an institution just like in

00:02:03.100 general like on the left I don't know when it happened but where like we kind of went from like

00:02:09.260 championing like free speech on free speech on college campuses like places like Berkeley and like

00:02:14.840 those protests to just becoming like kind of like shouting that down and that's not who I am that's

00:02:22.320 not what I believe in my parents fled like a country where um that was like the norm and I'm not saying

00:02:29.340 that the U.S. is going to become like Cuba or anything like that but it just kind of seemed really weird

00:02:33.680 to me everything that was going on here um so I started speaking out

00:02:37.420 as you've started to speak out have you found more democrats like you yeah yeah uh I've had people

00:02:48.560 tweet at me but it's funny like most of the people who follow me when I just kind of like read their

00:02:53.360 profile they're conservatives yeah um that's kind of I was hoping that you weren't a spec but you were

00:03:01.380 a who and there was a whole little village there of a whole bunch of people like you there might be

00:03:06.260 there might be um so in 2008 I mean you're on the democratic what the democratic platform committee

00:03:15.640 so in 2008 I was working for a congressional campaign in Miami and I was I had or been organizing

00:03:22.300 before that uh Hispanics for Obama probably like one of the first people in the country to do that

00:03:27.420 like in early 2007 when nobody knew who this guy was and so I was named to the DNC's uh platform

00:03:35.200 drafting committee as the youth representative because I was like 23 24 years old at the time and

00:03:40.860 um I'm yeah it was it was like a really cool experience I I got to meet like people like

00:03:47.460 Jen Napolitano Susan Rice uh Deval Patrick the governor of Massachusetts and like serve on this

00:03:53.200 committee with them and it was a it was a fascinating experience for a 24 year old yeah you must have

00:03:59.300 hated me watching watching me because you must have hated me so so it's funny so it's funny you

00:04:06.740 mention that so uh I I clearly remember I had a uh back then I used to drive a white GMC Jimmy

00:04:14.440 from 1995 uh with like an old beat-up radio and I would only get uh AM so whenever whenever you

00:04:21.900 would come on I'd be like oh it's the crazy guy let me turn it off and it's strange is that we've

00:04:29.240 kind of become friends now yeah yeah this is someone I really have a lot of respect for likewise you

00:04:34.720 know because um it just it when you're able to put like political differences aside and just speak

00:04:42.540 to people you realize we have a lot more in common than what than what we disagree that sometimes these

00:04:48.780 these differences that we have in our culture are being peddled by interest groups and they're and

00:04:54.840 they're like manufactured almost like manufactured controversies some there's some differences are very

00:05:00.820 legitimate right like um I don't know for example how you feel about the nature of social programs

00:05:06.700 whether we should have them or anything like that I happen to think that they could do a lot of good

00:05:10.720 in society to help people um just because I'm seeing my mom as a social worker growing up and so forth

00:05:15.660 but I think like so a lot of these points there's a lot of there's a lot more common ground I think

00:05:22.100 than what people realize but because of the way the media is structured vis-a-vis the political parties

00:05:28.080 institutions and the people who fund them it's like they're constantly like tearing the country

00:05:32.220 apart and I think it's like very unhealthy and I think we've we've got to come to a point where

00:05:37.520 we yeah we're able to have these these disagreements but bring people together so uh let's take social

00:05:45.620 programs here for a second the problem is that a conservative is uh a a conservative will say about a

00:05:56.740 person that wants a bigger social platform through the government you're a socialist or you're a

00:06:02.220 communist yeah and the the democrat will say you hate children yeah and neither of those are true

00:06:09.280 right I mean one of the reasons why I joined the church that I did yeah is by their fruits you shall

00:06:15.920 know them uh it it is I think it's the second largest welfare organization in the world right

00:06:24.760 but they don't brag about it yeah and they don't but I believe that's the way it should be I give

00:06:30.780 freely give 10 percent yeah for those kinds of things tiding yeah right and so there's there's all

00:06:36.480 kinds of things we can do and government does play a role yeah but we're we're not only calling each

00:06:43.740 other names that are not true in many cases sometimes they are um but it's gotten so bad

00:06:51.060 we now we now won't even really truly give the other person the benefit of the doubt

00:06:59.880 to listen you're not a monster you know what I mean show me you're not a monster right right yeah so

00:07:07.280 it's funny so like it's funny you say because like last night um I I put something on my personal

00:07:13.420 facebook page like the one I just have like like people I know in real life um my people I know in real

00:07:19.680 life yeah I don't accept people anymore who I've never met because you never know um so I I published

00:07:26.020 something about Brett Kavanaugh I was like look I may or may not disagree with this man's judicial

00:07:30.620 philosophy you know you know what the problem is I haven't had a chance to even hear about his

00:07:34.040 judicial philosophy because we've been hearing about uh secret white power signs yeah and and then it

00:07:40.100 went from there to I forgot what was the next controversy and then now it's like all a sexual assault and

00:07:44.900 then like running a gang rape cartel and I'm like you know I was like I may or may not disagree with

00:07:51.160 this man's judicial philosophy and frankly I have to be candid about the things that I know the things

00:07:55.240 that I don't know I don't know enough about law to tell you whether I disagree with this man's

00:07:59.340 judicial philosophy I could say I disagree with him on these issues but in terms of his judicial

00:08:03.780 philosophy it's not what I do for a living you know I'm not a constitutional scholar so

00:08:08.160 but now we've gotten to the point where I have to like personally destroy people so I put up this

00:08:13.380 thing on my Facebook about hey um you know this this is where I'm at on this I think the charges

00:08:20.540 may or may not be true I didn't see them myself but I think the evidence isn't there and I had like

00:08:27.620 people who I know write to me like I like had like some exchanges with those people say I don't know

00:08:32.820 that we can be friends anymore and I was like for what you know like these are people who I've known

00:08:37.860 for years not like close friends or anything but just like acquaintances tell me like I don't think

00:08:42.420 we could like be friends anymore like you've changed I'm like I haven't changed I'm just

00:08:47.500 like I applied the same standard that I'm applying for Brett Kavanaugh I applied it to Roy Moore

00:08:53.260 and I go into like a different conclusion with him here I I can't conclude that the man did these

00:09:00.340 terrible things that he's accused of when I when I look at Brett Kavanaugh I don't think he was

00:09:04.700 Biff Tannen in high school I think he was George McFly okay you know maybe yes but I don't know

00:09:10.900 yeah I have no idea yeah

00:09:12.200 you were here in the studio when I had an interview with who I thought was the BBC yeah

00:09:29.400 because I said yes to the BBC yeah I would have never said yes to CNN International because I have

00:09:37.260 spent five years trying everything I know yeah to try to break through to people on the other side in

00:09:47.060 the media and say do not do this don't do this yeah look there's you're you're making things worse

00:09:56.800 yeah um and this interviewer said to me I want to read because you can judge people by what they read

00:10:04.500 what they write on Twitter and I'm thinking what have I written on Twitter recently she said this came

00:10:09.220 out from you just a few days ago and I'm paraphrasing it said I believe the American people are fair

00:10:16.900 yeah and they don't want to um condemn Brett Kavanaugh or Professor Ford because there's not enough

00:10:26.440 evidence and they just don't want to be put into that position and if the Democrats jam this down

00:10:35.620 people's throats there will be a backlash at the voting poll yeah she said to me so are you saying

00:10:44.120 Democrats aren't Americans I don't know how you could reach that conclusion based off what you what

00:10:50.140 you wrote I follow you on Twitter so I'm like yeah I I think there are people on both sides that I think

00:10:55.700 are trying to break through to the other side and there are these like these vested interests that are

00:10:59.940 preventing that from happening right so there are people who also have like other podcasts on on

00:11:05.380 like my side of the aisle who they would never allow you to go on on their show because if you go on

00:11:10.820 their show and you sound like a normal rational person that you are they can no longer turn around

00:11:15.780 and tell their their supporters oh this guy is a crazy conservative loon these people they want to

00:11:22.880 take away your rights and so forth right so there's all these vested interests and I think it happens on

00:11:28.020 both sides just to you know to be totally fair to prevent people from talking to one another because

00:11:33.640 we've created these echo chambers because there's there are powerful financial interests there but

00:11:39.360 they're you know they're just also you know that's how these people keep the game going and it's

00:11:44.720 extremely frustrating because you are siloing the country apart so like you know um and I I get this all

00:11:53.020 the time um when in 2016 when uh I had a job back then that required me to move to Virginia for a few

00:12:01.180 months for work I lived in a in a county that went 74 for Donald Trump my wife is very obviously not an

00:12:10.080 American just by looking at her and by talking to her she's biracial and when you speak to her at the

00:12:16.640 time she was just learning English and they could not have been nicer to us and this is like in rural

00:12:21.940 Virginia our our neighbors were Trump supporters they could not have been nicer to us they weren't

00:12:28.220 asking her weird questions about her immigration status or anything like that they thought that it

00:12:32.900 was cool that she was Cuban actually um they would ask us all sorts of like questions they wanted to

00:12:38.220 like try ethnic food and like we're not that different and we're in like uh there are these

00:12:44.340 caricatures that like people have like propped up right just like people in San Francisco may not be as

00:12:49.240 tolerant as we think they are right or they may not be as crazy as as as as as some people on the

00:12:56.140 right make them out to be the exception of the people who are pooping in the streets yes that's

00:12:59.680 that's kind of that's kind of weird pooperoni yeah like like uh my best friend from high school

00:13:03.980 lives in San Francisco normal guy yeah just you know like what's amazing is people are normal pretty

00:13:10.680 much anywhere yeah pretty much anywhere and and I I think you know I've been trying to find our unum

00:13:16.940 mm-hmm uh and our unum I think is the bill of rights that's what that's what brought us here we were

00:13:23.880 escaping someplace that was violating something in our bill of rights yeah and that's why people came

00:13:32.680 from all over the world and we don't know it so people can't defend them they don't know what they

00:13:39.040 even mean anymore and we've lost that and we're so we're talking about these little teeny things that

00:13:44.840 are so stupid they're so stupid yeah meanwhile these gigantic pillars are starting to crumble

00:13:52.760 and it's the pillars it's the bill of rights that we have to protect because that's what brought us

00:13:58.800 together yeah I can I can you can believe in anything and I'm going to be totally fine with you

00:14:05.880 if you're not trying to tell me how I have to live my life yeah you don't violate the bill of rights and

00:14:13.400 you'll stand for the bill of rights for the people that you don't like yeah we're good yeah and that's

00:14:20.100 where I've always been right that's what like those were the kinds of things that I would that I would

00:14:25.500 say around my house when I was like in my in like my my mid-20s and my family would think I was a

00:14:30.820 communist you know just for saying oh yeah I think yeah those those kids are perfectly fine to protest

00:14:36.780 the Iraq war you know and I think it's okay to question the Iraq war right you know so like I was

00:14:42.260 not very political in high school um and then when I turned 18 at the at the when I just to register to

00:14:49.800 get my driver's license I think it was like 17 or something like that and you had to start filling

00:14:53.660 out your voter registration form um they asked me what party you want to put down I said I don't know

00:14:59.440 my grandfather's a republican I was put down republican and that's you know and then but I've

00:15:04.360 never voted republican and then I switched like formally switched parties for like around 2004

00:15:08.980 for that election when I became like like politically conscious and I was like you know it's really weird

00:15:14.900 that these guys are questioning your patriotism just for opposing the Iraq war nothing more patriotic

00:15:20.760 than opposition to a government uh stance that I mean again one of the things we were founded on

00:15:28.120 yeah so then I so then I started then becoming much more active in politics and the things that

00:15:33.460 I've always stood for which is like uh tolerance and acceptance and listening to one another uh those

00:15:40.020 values are right now they're they are under assault uh people like to look at a lot at the right and I

00:15:46.780 think a lot of things that President Trump says are are terrible that I obviously disagree with because

00:15:50.860 but those those values are also coming under assault from the left and I have a serious problem with

00:15:57.660 that because nobody is talking about it the only people we're talking about are people like you

00:16:02.460 uh people like Ben Shapiro people like Dave Rubin and they're being you guys are being ostracized

00:16:08.700 just just like people like they're looking at you like you guys are crazy for even like mentioning this

00:16:13.000 stuff the the but I hate using the term mainstream media because it's it's it's it's almost like yeah I know

00:16:19.300 it's like it's like a conservative like buzzword but yeah sure like the mainstream media refuses to

00:16:24.040 talk about this stuff and it's extremely frustrating for someone like me because I think these are like

00:16:29.100 traditional liberal values and maybe like classical liberal they're classical liberal yeah uh they're

00:16:34.860 they're not like left-wing values or or even like right-wing just like you know it's like the

00:16:39.180 traditional classical liberal value to have tolerance and acceptance for other people and you can do

00:16:45.640 your thing I do my thing don't try to encroach on me and I'll leave you alone that is

00:16:48.860 stereotypical American used to be yeah stereotypical American classic liberal values

00:16:55.720 yeah and I grew up in a very traditional home uh my parents were like Reagan conservatives almost

00:17:02.740 not my mom's never been very political but growing up she had a picture of herself with

00:17:07.500 Ronald Reagan at an event in Miami and my dad who was a Bay of Pigs guy he was like you know he

00:17:14.780 he was he was he was with the cause what do you mean Bay of Pigs guy he was in the Bay of Pigs

00:17:18.840 my on which side on our side on the American side he went in because your grandparents were in Cuba so

00:17:28.400 yeah so um on my dad's side of the family uh my grandfather uh was a psychiatrist in the Cuban Navy

00:17:38.680 uh pre-Castro with Batista not a you know just a he's just a doctor right so they arrest everyone

00:17:46.820 who was in the Batista military right my grandfather was one of them and he dies in prison within three

00:17:53.020 months of like March 1959 right then my father gets arrested and gets released through some family

00:18:00.140 connection and then they all come to Miami and then about a year later they start organizing the

00:18:06.260 Bay of Pigs invasion and he goes into Cuba uh six weeks before the invasion to do intel for the cause

00:18:14.680 and set information back um obviously doesn't succeed he almost gets caught uh because he accidentally

00:18:23.060 ordered uh gasoline and you said the word dollars instead of pesos and then he sneaks into

00:18:30.120 I believe it was the Venezuelan embassy at the time which obviously you couldn't do now yeah but

00:18:35.040 he sneaks into the Venezuelan embassy as a delivery boy and he um and he's like there for like almost

00:18:41.360 like six months in the embassy then he gets taken out um so very traumatic and then my mom's side

00:18:47.540 almost like the opposite story my grandparents were living in the United States and then they moved

00:18:52.920 back to Cuba because my great-grandmother got really sick and my grandparents had to go take care of

00:18:59.580 and then after a few years that they were on the island uh and things started getting bad they

00:19:05.240 wanted to come back but by then it was impossible because my grandparents had American children and

00:19:10.380 the Cuban government under Castro was like not letting him leave the island and there were like

00:19:14.880 these long wait lists and so they ended up being stuck in the country for about like 20 years

00:19:18.640 so what did you know about Jay growing up what did they know about Jay and Castro and so it's funny

00:19:26.520 um Cuban-American kids uh who grew up in Miami uh were taught like three things uh Jesus Santa Claus

00:19:33.780 and Fidel Castro's a bad guy those are like the first three things you learn uh so yeah so that

00:19:40.320 that was always very present right like I you know it wouldn't it would never happen but like

00:19:46.600 no kid would ever go back into like his Cuban parents household with like a Chase shirt for

00:19:51.300 example it just like would never like your parents would disown your fire family what what what

00:19:57.440 explained who Che was for people who who are wearing Che shirts yeah sure so Che Guevara was an

00:20:07.740 Argentine I think it was like a medical medical school dropout uh who was a revolutionary who

00:20:14.560 met Fidel Castro at a party in Mexico and then those guys uh you know you know like formed like

00:20:22.680 a little group that went back to Cuba and invaded the island I don't know invasion because it's their

00:20:27.960 own company you know yeah yeah yeah so they go back to Cuba and they start the Cuban revolution

00:20:32.100 and his role in all of that uh once the revolution comes into power this is a guy who has like

00:20:37.640 uh no financial education whatsoever but he was like the head of banking for the country

00:20:42.480 and then uh but he was also like like the Castro's executioner so he was executing people at without

00:20:50.380 trial at at a prison uh called La Cabana and a horrible racist yeah he did homosexual killed

00:20:58.700 homosexual I mean he was just everything that anyone who is wearing a Che t-shirt thinks

00:21:06.720 therefore he's against yeah so I've I've heard stories from Cubans who live on the island of

00:21:13.660 of how like Che Guevara would you know went would go somewhere and then find like like round up

00:21:20.380 like men who we considered effeminate and tell them you guys either start acting like men or I'll execute

00:21:25.460 you so stuff like that was happening left and right um so that's those that's how my my family grew up so

00:21:31.960 like anything that smelled like communism my parents were like like adamantly against it particularly my

00:21:37.940 dad who is just like because of his his own father died as a political prisoner um they told

00:21:43.780 up to this day we have no idea how my grandfather died um he they just told my grandmother oh he committed

00:21:50.680 suicide you know which is like always what they would tell people so we're not really sure even how my

00:21:56.780 grandfather died I never met him obviously um and so with having that really present in my mind

00:22:02.500 and growing up in a community where you have so many Venezuelans so many Argentines so many

00:22:09.320 uh Nicaraguans um you're very conscious of what socialism is and what it's not and what these words

00:22:19.180 democratic socialism what that is and what it's not it's really hard it's Norway no it's not it's not

00:22:25.760 Norway it's just like Norway yeah right yeah I wish Venezuela was just like Norway um so

00:22:32.400 that coupled with all like this intolerance on college campuses like this embrace

00:22:37.700 of democratic socialism socialism and the fact that like Bernie Sanders is apparently now

00:22:43.420 the intellectual heavyweight of the democratic party I was like this is good this is insane this is not

00:22:49.440 this is not what I signed up for I signed up for you know hey we're like the tolerant people

00:22:54.420 who are okay with gay people getting married and who we are um you know we're forced social

00:23:00.340 programs help the poor that's the club that I joined now it's become like like a club for like

00:23:06.680 the professionally offended and the socialists and I'm you know that's I don't want anything to do

00:23:11.440 with that you know it was very interesting um I watched both conventions in 2016 with my wife who

00:23:18.100 is like fresh pair of eyes knows nothing about American politics she had only been in this country

00:23:23.280 for a few months and she saw the Republican convention and she was like wow this is really

00:23:28.240 bizarre you know this is really strange uh you know it's funny I've been told my entire life that

00:23:35.060 America's like this imperialist power and they're talking about the Republicans are talking about

00:23:39.520 like America's military has been depleted this is like I'm shocked and then she she looks saw the

00:23:45.860 democratic convention and she was like okay oh these people are yeah they're really nice but why do they

00:23:50.680 speak to Hispanics as though they're like victims or something and I was like I started thinking about

00:23:56.120 that I was like you know what you're right like I know I'm Hispanic um I'm like as American as you

00:24:02.280 are Glenn I guess I was born and raised here but I'm also fully fluent in Spanish I don't need someone

00:24:07.500 to speak to me like I'm a victim all the time I hate like um who was it Elizabeth Warren was giving a

00:24:14.360 speech about uh you know one of the dangers of having a conservative justice on the Supreme Court is that

00:24:19.640 he would as a conservative justice would hurt people of color okay first off I don't know what

00:24:24.620 color she's talking about I'm like pale almost as pale as you are okay if I go out in the sun I get

00:24:29.840 like bright pink um but okay fine you know and then she's you know she's and then I'm like thinking

00:24:36.760 well I might like I might have a judicial philosophical difference with this guy or some ideological difference

00:24:42.500 or political difference whatever right but I I don't feel I don't feel like a victim like what she's

00:24:47.920 implying with her comments is that like we're losers that we need people to take care of us like

00:24:53.240 like get extra care for us because we're we're like small and in danger or something and that's

00:24:59.240 not how I feel at all I feel like I live in the best country in the world that I could do anything

00:25:02.740 here there's nothing that like what my family went through in in Cuba and what like my friends

00:25:10.060 families go went through and in places that are not Cuba but even places like Brazil or whatever

00:25:14.620 we have Latinos have it here better than in any Latin American country in the world uh so I why

00:25:21.640 that's why we have a border problem yeah I mean we have a border problem because people want to come

00:25:27.720 here because I mean I I went down to for my 50th birthday my wife uh uh did a surprise party and I think

00:25:36.020 we were in Puerto Vallarta and we spent time you know um in with locals not in all of the crap

00:25:45.840 touristy places yeah yeah um and talking to people yeah there's no way they feel there's no way

00:25:56.920 to change their station you know they want something different from their for their children yeah but

00:26:04.280 they don't have the money or the ability to get their children out you know it it I I say this to

00:26:12.740 conservatives all the time if you were in the same situation if you were there you were your children had

00:26:22.300 no prospects you had drug lords all around that was the prevailing way to get out you know you as a

00:26:32.660 parent would look at the country up north that was saying you know we really don't take this seriously

00:26:39.380 yeah you know you cross the border it's no big deal of course you would come yeah of course of course you

00:26:45.720 would come yeah you would be crazy not to yeah that's like imagine like Disney World had like free

00:26:50.920 admission for a day everyone would just like go yeah everybody would go and you and how could you

00:26:55.840 blame them yeah it's free yeah and that's what that's what America is like so I was and I think

00:27:02.820 I think we you and I we we talked about this before but I was in Havana in March um to visit uh a friend

00:27:10.200 of mine was getting married and I stayed with my family who's like they live in the suburbs of the city

00:27:14.720 and we uh the fan the fan in my room broke in the middle of the night and so the next morning we

00:27:21.480 go to buy a fan Glenn it took us an hour to buy a fan right which half like half of that half that

00:27:27.960 hour was just like waiting in line and waiting for the lady to bring it out from the back of the store

00:27:34.440 because you obviously you just can't grab the one that's there on display and then the other half an

00:27:38.500 hour is dismantling the fan writing down the serial numbers and then filling out uh three forms for

00:27:44.420 acquisition of private property oh my gosh so people go through that so many times in in a day

00:27:51.040 that of course they're not going to worry about spreading democracy in Cuba because like they're

00:27:55.780 just worried about like the the day-to-days right like you know their quotidian problems that that

00:28:01.200 they all have so like multiply it by like 11 million people on that island now imagine that also like

00:28:06.420 in a place like Guatemala where you have gangs like threatening to kill your kid yeah so what what

00:28:12.600 people go through in Latin America is horrible and um what I tell my conservative friends all the time

00:28:18.180 is like hey these people like the like like Latin Americans they naturally share a lot of like

00:28:24.000 American values right religious people families at the center of everything um and they work hard

00:28:32.960 uh we should like welcome these people into our country and find it find a logical pathway forward

00:28:39.100 it is amen it is the Americans quite honestly like me that are so removed my family came back I I don't

00:28:48.960 even know when but I know that I had relatives in the civil war wow um so for generations we've been

00:28:56.200 here so I'm just like I don't know it's great here why do you fix every place else um and so we we don't

00:29:03.780 see it and it's it's it's stunning to me the three the last three people I've talked to on this podcast

00:29:10.060 um as we've recorded them all three I have found fascinating and inspiring and the last three have

00:29:19.460 been first generation Americans yeah because they see it differently they see don't squander what you

00:29:28.020 have this is great we got a good thing going on here we do yeah this is this is like a really

00:29:33.240 amazing place uh I don't know if you're keeping track like what's happening and in like Brazil with

00:29:37.820 their elections like so like their their conservative candidate just got stabbed into the chest a few

00:29:42.660 weeks ago uh the the Argentina's currency is another disaster again yeah Venezuela I can't

00:29:51.960 these and this is this is probably um not the way to go for a healing

00:30:01.220 but as we my charity is trying to get to Venezuela to help people to get in it's almost impossible

00:30:12.720 yeah okay it's just not happening yeah um as we're trying to do this I'm wondering where are all of the

00:30:21.480 Hollywood people where are all of the democratic socialists that told us this was going to be

00:30:26.940 fantastic yeah again socialism fails and may I ask you this sure did conservatives do we do ourselves

00:30:38.860 a disservice because we have conflated a welfare program and a safety net with socialism yeah for

00:30:50.200 sure um so I'll give you a I'll give you a perfect example is right now it's going on in the Florida

00:30:55.640 governor's race right uh I don't know how you feel about Andrew Gillum but he's the democratic nominee

00:31:00.300 for for governor of my state he's being called a socialist by his opponent's campaign which is

00:31:05.280 Ron Ron DeSantis Andrew Gillum is not a socialist Andrew Gillum is your garden variety liberal his big

00:31:11.980 socialist idea air quotes is that he wants to raise Florida does not have a state income tax just like

00:31:17.400 Texas we have a corporate tax that's like five like five percent or something he wants to raise the

00:31:23.020 seven percent to pay for higher salaries for teachers or something along those lines right

00:31:27.960 that's his big socialist proposal right that's that's not a socialist proposal right that's just

00:31:34.220 like he's like he wants to pay these people these government workers more and he has to raise these

00:31:38.940 revenues so I I think it's extremely counterproductive for and I wrote a story about this um I was like I

00:31:45.680 think it's extremely counterproductive for republicans and conservatives to call any any kind of tax

00:31:52.960 increase or any social program socialism because there are people within the ranks on the left who

00:31:59.500 want to push actual socialism and you're conflating uh just your garden variety liberals with those people

00:32:05.480 you're conflating a safety net yeah with socialism yeah explain what socialism is and why you're passionate

00:32:15.040 about it not only your background but your wife yeah so I've always understood socialism as being

00:32:20.560 the the acquisition of the means of production by the state control of the means of production

00:32:26.100 where uh and I can I can tell you how I've seen it play out right where people work for the state

00:32:33.340 uh or or where private property is not no longer private it's owned collectively or where companies

00:32:39.940 are turned essentially into like massive co-ops if you will right so it's like a hybrid if that

00:32:44.900 philosophers debate the definition of socialism all the time but essentially that's in the ballpark of

00:32:52.560 where it is would you say that public schools the way they are run where they are controlled by

00:32:59.820 the state um really owned by the state yeah that that is a socialist program or not a socialist program

00:33:07.940 well look it doesn't meet the strict definition of of some socialist characteristics sure but I think

00:33:15.540 most people would argue is say we cannot have a system we cannot have a society where some children

00:33:22.080 go without education because they can't they can't pay for it so we need to create this you know there

00:33:26.620 are some things that that the government has to do because the private sector can can either not do

00:33:31.740 them or it cannot do them as efficiently in terms of in terms of educating everyone everyone okay you

00:33:38.920 know so so if you want to have an entire uh like if you want to guarantee that every single kid in

00:33:43.780 this country goes to a school the government right the government can do that right so that's that would

00:33:50.720 be like the response to that right all right yeah all right so Venezuela yeah is socialist yeah

00:33:58.660 democratic socialism yeah that actually started in south america did it not isn't democratic socialism

00:34:06.300 so my understanding is that so democratic socialism is an offspring of uh like marxist theory that

00:34:14.860 evolved in germany in at the end of the 19th century right and then it throughout the early 20th

00:34:21.320 century and then halfway through the mid 20th century they realized that like this revolution of the

00:34:25.100 proletariat was not a good thing so they they wanted they wanted marxist socialist ideas and

00:34:32.040 it was like the ownership of the means of production but they but they wanted it done in a way that was

00:34:36.040 democratic if you will through it through the ballot box inserted which as opposed to like a rifle

00:34:41.040 democratic national socialism would be nazis they voted for adolf hitler and then and it was a

00:34:49.700 socialist state right um but it wasn't uh it wasn't the ownership of all businesses and all private

00:34:57.840 property and it wasn't international like like communist russia right is that the do i understand

00:35:04.960 this yeah that's my understanding as well so the the democratic socialists of latin america would be

00:35:12.160 someone like hugo chavez who's you know passed away in 2013 who is someone who said okay first off when

00:35:18.600 he ran for office he just ran as a normal progressive he actually there's a great interview with him

00:35:23.820 and jorge ramos where they ask him oh are you gonna nationalize anything nope are you gonna are you

00:35:29.520 gonna only be in office for five years in fact i'll leave sooner if you know um and then are you gonna

00:35:35.820 shut down any media stations no of course not once he's in office though he starts slowly but surely

00:35:41.700 nationalizing certain industries expropriating assets uh putting things under state control to make it

00:35:47.040 impossible for his opponents to organize against him right uh you can't run an ad on a on a certain tv

00:35:54.760 station because it's now been confiscated by the escape by the state right all the like all the

00:35:59.740 transportation workers are now like unionized like by through a public union that he controls

00:36:04.440 right so he started doing this like slowly but surely and it he consolidated his power and now you have

00:36:11.240 this disaster which venezuela is always going to have problems because it was a very oil dependent

00:36:17.740 economy it was not a diversified economy so venezuela was going to have a problem anyway like in the

00:36:22.760 2000s when like like early like 2010s yeah when oil crashed right but their centralized power and the

00:36:30.120 like the fact that everything was like so centrally planned like it made the country like unable to

00:36:37.040 react to that in a way that was like faster and more pragmatic and also the fact that chavez set

00:36:41.800 these absurd oil production quotas because he thought he could run the oil industry by himself

00:36:46.760 and he fired all of the workers for the state-owned um pdvsa which is the the state oil enterprise he

00:36:54.400 fired all these people replace them with his own goons basically to run an oil company and they ruined

00:37:00.100 the oil reserves of the country so yes venezuela is going to have financial problems yes sure but he

00:37:07.640 made it a lot worse people will say and again where is hollywood where is sean penn and and everybody

00:37:30.080 that went down and said oh look at hugo chavez they will always say they always do well yes it just

00:37:38.920 didn't work this time because this guy what went bad right right yeah they said the same thing about

00:37:45.300 castro and and stalin and lennon yeah yeah i mean so um there is like this tendency i think to confuse

00:37:54.920 uh intent right but with outcomes right where you judge people by what they say they want to do

00:38:02.720 instead of like the outcomes that they achieve and i and i think that's what that's like a logical

00:38:07.600 fallacy that's very prevalent on some circles on the left because somebody says oh i want to cure hunger

00:38:13.340 and i want to cure poverty or whatever there all the empirical evidence shows that there is no better

00:38:19.000 instrument for doing that than the free enterprise system than capitalism right yet they fall in

00:38:24.820 love with these uh socialist dictators because they speak about i don't know where that's like more

00:38:30.720 romantic and more emotions and i think i don't know how we connected from this to like brett kavanaugh but

00:38:36.380 but i think that's like part of what's happening now is that like where people are are being or care

00:38:41.580 more about their like their emotions than about just like facts emotions matter obviously but they should

00:38:47.260 be like informed by facts i might not like brett kavanaugh i might not like some of the things that he

00:38:54.400 says or or whatever but i have to guide myself based on the facts and i think that's there's a huge

00:39:00.520 problem with that now on the left which is weird because it's always like always characterize

00:39:04.200 themselves as oh we're like the enlightened party we're the we're the science driven uh people uh but

00:39:09.740 in in reality there is a huge gap developing right now on my side of the aisle and i'm trying to push

00:39:15.160 people to think rethink this a little bit more you know and i don't know how much success i'm having

00:39:20.440 but i'm trying to pull people toward a radical center when i first came across you you were i think

00:39:28.520 you wrote a op-ed or an essay right yeah um yeah for quillette which i think is great website yeah and

00:39:36.620 you wrote about no no democrats democratic socialism is not what you think it is it's not what they say it

00:39:46.880 is yeah tell me when you see when you see somebody like uh what's her name um ocasio ocasio yeah tes

00:39:59.380 people hear it's a great message it's a great message i just want people to be taken care of

00:40:08.820 we just want things to be more equal you know we just we want things to be more fair and we're going

00:40:16.280 to take care of people i cringe when i when i hear her yeah so what happened was that on the night of

00:40:23.320 her election i had already been having these debates with like my friends and like text message wars

00:40:27.800 for months and um probably alienated half of them uh so when when when she when she got elected or

00:40:36.120 she won the primary rather and i heard her oh i'm a democratic socialist and i was like and i like saw

00:40:41.680 the media coverage of of what this work meant i was like this is totally wrong it's it's not it's

00:40:48.400 not a misnomer this is just a complete fabrication they're ascribing a definition to this term uh that

00:40:54.460 is inconsistent with what it truly is and it's not just like well america you know like americans use

00:41:00.340 the word liberal in a different way than like they do in europe it wasn't that it's that she was

00:41:04.720 actually associated by the way that was the progressives that changed that yes okay i just

00:41:08.940 want to make sure we we're very well aware it was a democratic president that changed that so there was

00:41:15.020 um uh there was a piece run by the washington post uh by elizabeth brunick on this is what

00:41:22.000 democratic socialism is and she did like this whole video explainer for it and it it was essentially

00:41:28.180 yeah democratic socialism is canada the uk and norway and and and denmark or something

00:41:33.760 it's like this is not what this is so i really started doing some research into this group

00:41:37.480 the democratic socialists of america and what they believe in and i was like holy s word

00:41:43.640 you know like what this is this is like what my parents fled uh this is what people in latin america

00:41:52.000 fleed what's the difference between them and canada uh between the democratic socialists of america and

00:41:58.400 and the canadians want a free market system they just want some uh government health care along with

00:42:04.520 that but they like their their free market system and they have actually a certain level of

00:42:09.160 privatization in their health care sector right these people they want they like the scandinavian

00:42:14.940 social safety net programs but then they want to go much farther with regards to like the actual

00:42:19.160 economy that bagel shop down the street government owned or turned into a co-op right amazon broken up and

00:42:26.000 owned by the state uh general electric the same that's that's what these people think it's not

00:42:32.020 i'm not making this up look at their website look at their speeches that's what they believe it's an

00:42:36.720 end of capitalism right and and to their credit the their hardcore leaders of that organization

00:42:42.160 are very transparent about that the thing is that like they go to they say it in magazines like

00:42:47.060 jacobin and they go to other mag like outlets but this never gets reported in the media it's like

00:42:52.240 almost like oh we don't want people to find out that we have crazy people on our site they will say

00:42:55.940 because i ran into this with black lives matter yeah i'm dead set against black lives matter if you

00:43:03.580 read their manifesto okay if you go to their website and you see what they're actually for

00:43:11.180 no thank you okay however the people that are marching in the streets many of them have never been

00:43:21.120 to the website yeah they don't agree with all of that stuff yeah when we had a shooting of a police

00:43:26.280 officer here in dallas i had some of them come into the studio afterwards because when that shooting

00:43:32.980 happened we my crew was covering the march when the shots rang out people that were marching hid behind

00:43:43.000 a car with my crew wow and they were trapped together for about 30 minutes well you kind of scary

00:43:49.200 learn a little about something with each other you know what i mean yeah and so we had this opportunity

00:43:54.720 to say wait a minute you're not so you don't you don't want a separate state you don't want any of that

00:44:01.720 stuff no and they were just going because black lives matter was the only one that was listening and saying

00:44:13.620 hey there's a problem in the community yeah but their goals weren't the same so are democrats

00:44:19.220 kind of in that situation to where they're turning a blind eye to who's actually what the what the

00:44:27.100 leadership is actually wanting and they say ah well we don't want that this is good i think what

00:44:32.800 democrats see is that democratic socialism gets certain segments of the young like young voters excited

00:44:39.220 and they're like yeah we're gonna go along with that we'll just ride this wave that's crazy yeah

00:44:44.380 and it's i think it's absolutely insane because these people are like hardcore believers not i'm not

00:44:50.480 saying that every member of dsa uh is a is a leninist right or something like that you know but

00:44:55.840 but these people are if you look at the documents of the organization and the vision of america that

00:45:02.440 that they see yeah it's it's it's scary stuff so when i saw this i was like holy cow um people need

00:45:09.560 to know about this and at the time i had maybe like 400 twitter followers i was like nobody's gonna pay

00:45:14.080 any attention to what i'm saying um so i i started you know like talking to some friends about it kind

00:45:19.960 of bouncing some ideas off and i thought hey why don't i go speak to like some economists in in norway

00:45:26.000 um so i just started reaching out to different economists at like different different universities

00:45:31.680 and i encountered a um a consulting firm in oslo that that advises companies i was like who better

00:45:40.400 to ask than these guys so i emailed the managing partner and i said hey can i run a survey with all

00:45:47.680 of your economists and i'm going to ask him these questions and he was like you wrote back to like five

00:45:52.840 yeah sure no problem so i i ended up interviewing a dozen norwegian economists and i laid out to them

00:46:00.540 uh not my own words copy pasted it from a liberal website from vox i said this is what dsa believes

00:46:07.480 how does this jive with your country's economic system and also can you talk to me a little bit

00:46:13.920 about explain to me how norway norwegian economics works and 11 out of 12 of those people told me

00:46:20.220 this is far left and fringe in our country what these people are proposing for the united states

00:46:25.580 what the 12th say uh the 12th said these are some views are mainstream others are a little kooky

00:46:31.880 yeah okay yeah but 11 out of 12 but none of them said yeah this is what we have no no no i'm so

00:46:37.960 and then i asked him okay i gave him like different categories how would you describe

00:46:41.660 norway's economy um most most said it was a mixed economy right and then i asked him okay

00:46:47.540 pick between these two socialist or capitalist i think it was like also 11 out of 12 said yes

00:46:53.000 we're a capitalist we're a capitalist country norway's clearly a capitalist country they they

00:46:58.220 found oil off their shores i think like in 1969 or something and they've done very well for themselves

00:47:04.360 uh they set up a state enterprise to manage that oil sector but it's it's a capitalist country you can

00:47:10.740 start a business in oslo it's easy it's in if you go over to denmark it's probably easier to start

00:47:15.520 a business in copenhagen than in california just kind of put that in perspective the licensing

00:47:20.020 processes are are much simpler it's easier to trade within that region um so these are highly

00:47:28.480 advanced capitalist countries that yes uh every danish citizen from the time of birth to the time

00:47:33.920 they die they have government guaranteed health coverage that's you know americans can can debate

00:47:40.420 whether we want to go that direction or do we want to do something like the swiss do which is

00:47:44.620 i don't know if like how people realize this but the swiss have a hundred percent uh universal

00:47:51.020 health care everyone's covered and it's entirely private all through the private sector they have

00:47:56.700 some subsidies to help the poor and they have a couple of state hospitals but there's no government

00:48:01.680 insurance everything is done through private insurance companies why are we talking about that

00:48:06.380 and i asked like democrats this all time i was like hey what these guys have going on is pretty

00:48:11.660 amazing and it would not destabilize our economy and it would actually lower prices a little bit and it

00:48:17.780 would cover everyone why aren't we talking about why are we having these pie in the sky ideas to what

00:48:22.880 this would disrupt a six of our economy and nobody wants to talk about this stuff

00:48:27.220 are you familiar with what portugal is done with the drug war uh no i'm not i think i'm pretty sure

00:48:51.940 it's portugal drug war does the drug war work here i don't think so i don't think so at all i mean i

00:48:58.880 think it's yeah it's very clear i don't do drugs but yeah i know but it just doesn't work it doesn't

00:49:03.220 work it clearly doesn't work portugal got into such a bad place i think i think five percent of

00:49:12.500 the entire population was hooked on heroin wow okay i mean it was devastating and they realized

00:49:20.420 this clearly is not working so they what they did is they legalized all the drugs and then they took

00:49:28.900 i think it was about half of the money and just did aa programs yeah and then they did job training

00:49:37.860 programs and they have they have completely rid themselves of the drug population why aren't we

00:49:46.740 talking about these things why are we talking about i talked to larry sharp he's running he was candidate

00:49:53.840 for um new jersey uh new york libertarian yeah yeah governor he said our infrastructure's going he said

00:50:03.220 so why don't we have the george washington bridge in new york city and i'm the biggest fan of george

00:50:11.120 washington why isn't that the staples bridge yeah why don't we sell the naming rights to bridges because

00:50:18.240 you're on the air with traffic and you're hearing the staples bridge the staples bridge the staples

00:50:24.360 bridge who wouldn't want that for the traffic reports of course that would work why don't we

00:50:30.320 think out of the box yeah i don't know i i think there are like too many entrenched interests

00:50:35.140 and we get into like these stupid ideological fights instead of like almost like looking at like

00:50:39.680 common sense solutions right and i think both sides are sometimes just like very entrenched in

00:50:44.260 in in their like their own cookie cutter like approaches to things um so like i said like the

00:50:50.040 democrats obviously uh they're the party of government they're the party that wants the things that

00:50:54.480 government can can can work to people's benefits right but we also have to face the reality

00:50:59.080 in terms of like how our economy is structured and where we're at you know if we want to start all

00:51:03.100 over from scratch okay fine but it would be much easier for example to transition this our country's

00:51:09.680 healthcare system to what they have in switzerland than to what they have in the united kingdom it's

00:51:13.800 not even close the swiss system yeah the swiss system would just be like um you know it would

00:51:19.260 essentially be like obamacare 2.0 or something like that you know just like better smarter regulations

00:51:25.480 uh and then a more more generous subsidies for for the poor and perhaps less regulation on state to

00:51:31.980 state yeah exactly because in the bigger the pool the better it is why are they containing it to

00:51:38.720 states it's so stupid yeah so like you know i if you try to sign up right now for the obamacare

00:51:44.040 exchange for florida you can choose from like two health care companies or something like that

00:51:47.560 in switzerland you can choose from like many health care companies you have a lot of options

00:51:52.220 um and that helps bring costs down for for people so smarter regulations more in some places less

00:51:58.220 than others um but we're not thinking outside the box because we just want to have these stupid

00:52:03.080 debates and also i just think people need to like read more into like case studies in terms of like

00:52:07.920 things that work outside of this country but who's covering that i mean nobody wants to talk about

00:52:12.300 it i want to go back to the interview i had with cnn international you cannot have

00:52:17.780 a rational conversation on television you can't you can't have this conversation no on tv i could

00:52:26.340 cut they would have cut the mic ready yeah i mean it's just not yeah we're gonna do the weather now

00:52:31.020 yeah and it's and it's it's also because there's the conflict is what drives it i think people are done

00:52:39.260 with conflict i really do i think people the people i know are so tired of this there's i've often

00:52:47.540 thought have you ever been to israel uh i have not but i'm dying to go yeah it's an eye-opening

00:52:52.820 experience very small jerusalem very small especially old jerusalem and it's in quarters yep okay and i'm

00:53:01.960 walking down the the um street if you will you know it's it's an old street with the arches and

00:53:09.320 everything else so i'm walking down the street and it's dirty and it's dingy and it's dark and then i

00:53:16.180 pass an archway and i get about 20 feet in and it's clean and it's bright and i stop and i look behind

00:53:25.300 me through the archway they are not the same place one is slum one is nice and i said to the guy who

00:53:34.240 was walking with me i said what the hell happened here and he said this is the jewish quarter that's

00:53:40.600 the palestinian quarter later i go up on a hill and i'm looking desert green what's the difference

00:53:49.720 palestinian jewish now i'm sure there's multiple reasons but there is also a group of people telling

00:54:00.580 their people you can do anything do it this is your home yeah and another group of people telling

00:54:10.060 their group of people it's because of them you'll never have anything we're convinced

00:54:17.460 many times we'll have the same stuff but we're being convinced that we can't do it or we have to

00:54:26.520 get them before we do it we we gotta get gotta get this load off the top all these politicians that are

00:54:34.920 using us and and dividing us and just start living because i don't think that there is

00:54:42.300 with a with an exception of the radicals on all sides okay i don't think it's any different between

00:54:50.700 a jewish home and a palestinian home yeah both parents want their children to be safe they just

00:54:58.100 want to do their job they want to come home they want to have a brighter tomorrow yeah they're not

00:55:03.420 zealots that want to control everything they just want to be left alone let me raise my kids yeah

00:55:09.220 yeah yeah and and and i i think a lot of that stuff is is you know those you can learn a lot

00:55:14.620 of those lessons here as well uh because but there's one point actually where i actually have

00:55:21.180 a lot of agreement with my conservative friends is that i think the role of the federal government

00:55:26.140 has to reduce it's too important now it it's it's politics in dc shouldn't be this important

00:55:32.400 the way the way this the way this this country was designed my local mayor is supposed to be much

00:55:37.760 more important to me than than what's happening in washington school board yeah like and i think

00:55:43.620 we need to go back to this model which um the swiss actually use a very decentralized model because

00:55:51.080 you know like i cannot control what somebody in mississippi is doing right i shouldn't try to

00:55:55.600 control and that's like their community it's like their their area so as long as we have like look

00:56:01.300 uh through through federal intervention i think uh we were able to address uh you know a lot of

00:56:08.880 social injustices that were happening for for centuries right uh and and affirm that everyone in this

00:56:14.520 country is created equal entitled to like equal rights we've already done that we don't need to

00:56:20.380 relitigate that i think we need to move now more toward a phase in this country where washington

00:56:25.780 starts like taking a step back and where you let these things be settled in i'll never do it

00:56:30.840 yeah i'll never know do you know how the swiss um handle their immigration uh you know you tell me

00:56:37.660 i love this i think this is fantastic you don't go to you know the swiss office you move in okay you

00:56:47.480 you have to come in the right way you move in you you know find a place to live um you let the

00:56:55.200 government know where you're living then after i don't know how many years your neighbors have to

00:57:02.320 testify on your behalf that you would make a good addition to switzerland yeah so it encourages people

00:57:10.800 to get to know each other it encourages people to be friendly and instead of going to some office

00:57:17.920 that doesn't know you from adam yeah your neighbors know who you are yeah it's fantastic yeah and i think

00:57:26.000 we need to go more to like these local community models right the fact that everyone in this country

00:57:31.000 has spent like the last week and a half thinking that the world is going to end because or like half of

00:57:36.780 the country thought that brett kavanaugh was going to use that he was if he was going to get confirmed

00:57:40.820 the world the country was going to end and like it shouldn't matter that much well i i it's one of the

00:57:47.560 reasons why i spent five years trying to say especially the last three look uh i really thought barack

00:58:00.320 obama was going to be detrimental i think the legacy is of what we've all done during the obama years

00:58:09.360 is this okay so i think it was damaging but we made it yeah and the people that i know and even me

00:58:17.540 was like i don't know if we're gonna make it i don't know if we're gonna make it he scared the hell

00:58:21.840 out of me yeah okay same thing i mean the the march the women's march uh tea party now different

00:58:30.580 tactics sure but you have half the country rising up no president should have this much power no

00:58:38.720 president should ever scare us ever we should be able to go i don't care he's the president big deal

00:58:43.740 yeah my son said to me i don't remember what we were we were talking about something and i said you

00:58:50.840 know when we were a kid blah blah blah and he said the government let you do that that was terrifying

00:58:58.260 to me what do you mean the government let us do that i never would have thought that way when i was

00:59:03.920 a kid yeah government wouldn't have stopped you yeah it was so um i reread jfk's inaugural speech

00:59:11.720 recently where where he affirmed that the rights of man um do not come from the generosity of the state

00:59:18.440 from the hand of god i can you imagine i cannot imagine anybody from my party saying that nowadays

00:59:23.360 that sounds like the most republican thing that i could probably think that possibly think of

00:59:27.180 i don't think jfk would have been allowed in the democratic party now maybe not but but i mean we

00:59:33.180 we need to go back to and i don't even know about i don't even like using the word going back because

00:59:37.880 i'm not there there are a lot of things that were happening in the 50s and 60s horrible yeah they're

00:59:41.340 absolutely terrible forward yeah we need to move to a place where the we strip washington of a lot

00:59:48.920 of its power and i'd love to hear your thoughts do you think a lot of this growth in power in

00:59:53.480 washington is because of the procurement like the power of federal procurement and that's everyone's

00:59:58.360 like pumping money into campaigns because of that woodrow wilson during world war one we started to

01:00:04.420 have lobbyists yeah and they set up a lobbyist system for the war yeah for procurement procurements

01:00:11.100 after it was over they all went home yep then in the 1930s they were like wait a minute why did we leave

01:00:20.680 we could get money from the government and then just grew and grew and grew and grew it was so it was

01:00:28.000 so obscene to me in 2009 2010 when i went down to washington dc and the country had stopped but there

01:00:40.200 were cranes littering the sky of dc what are you what what do they create yeah what do they create what

01:00:50.440 value are they bringing that it's intrinsic value what it's just paper yeah and i think there's

01:01:00.200 people people are very cognizant of i think of like when like local government wastes because they'll

01:01:06.680 say oh why did you know why did they put up all these fancy palm trees i don't need this um but i

01:01:11.540 think they're far less aware of it of like what happens in dc it's like pretty crazy like like it's nuts

01:01:17.300 some of these contracts that go out for things where you think oh my god i didn't i didn't realize

01:01:22.720 that that this is happening i think everything should be like spacex for the federal government

01:01:27.680 there's an x price yeah it's an x price i'd love to move to a system where we strip and that's actually

01:01:34.420 a like a place where i think even some of the people who are are more on the progressive side of

01:01:40.080 the left uh that you can you can might find some common ground in terms like like common people

01:01:45.100 not i'm not talking about people in in office who benefit from the system yeah yeah they hate

01:01:49.360 their cronyism too so i think that is one of the the points where i think there has to be a strong

01:01:55.440 campaign to fight cronyism in washington because um i think conservatives uh and progressives are

01:02:02.860 concerned about inequality different ways one of the roots of inequality i'm absolutely convinced of

01:02:08.680 this is inequality created through cronyism and that's that that's like something where i think

01:02:14.420 there should be a lot of common ground and people should uh be able to to to find agreement and

01:02:19.900 move forward because we need to bring bring that power back to the people and keep it away from

01:02:25.380 washington these people can't can't do anything i mean that's what our founders created yeah you know

01:02:35.800 the one thing there was a letter between jefferson and adams they were going back and forth

01:02:40.420 and i don't remember which one said this is after they became friends they're old it's like 18 20 and

01:02:47.640 um one of them said um uh you know this is going to fail yeah and the other one said we didn't put

01:02:56.240 enough uh leviticus into it didn't put enough of the old rules into it and the other one said

01:03:05.000 um uh the voting we should have put stakes and the the idea now we're gerrymandering which is separating

01:03:15.740 us okay and what their idea was it's from the bible was everything is a square and you have let's say

01:03:26.200 300 people those 300 people vote for someone in those 300 people that's the representative

01:03:34.980 and it's not somebody who lives way across town it's those 300 people or whatever the number is

01:03:40.880 and as if when it gets to 400 you split it in half exactly in half in a square yep and if we would if we

01:03:50.480 would just do logical things like this but nobody will because they have way too much power and way

01:03:57.460 too much money to lose yeah and i think that's one of the things i wanted hope i wanted hope and change

01:04:03.020 yeah i wanted change i wanted transparency yeah we just never got it i want a draining of the swap

01:04:09.220 we're not getting it yeah yeah and i think that was like one of the uh greatest points of frustration

01:04:14.640 i think even with a lot of people uh on the left with the obama presidency which is that this this

01:04:19.720 transformation of government and the way government is supposed to work and make it more accountable to

01:04:23.980 the people that that never really came to fruition um i'm not saying it's barack obama's fault

01:04:28.440 i will tell you just be the system i talked to somebody who was in the obama administration

01:04:32.480 who shall remain nameless and said i was there at the beginning and uh he said you know we were a

01:04:41.440 different organization we knew how to win we didn't know how to govern yeah he said so when we came in

01:04:49.220 we had all of this change he said but we were surrounded by all of the clinton people yeah he

01:04:56.240 said everybody who had run these things before right we're now running this like podesta yeah right

01:05:02.420 and he said we just got more of the same right and he said you know two years into it it's kind of like

01:05:08.240 okay well i guess okay yeah well because a lot of also like the idealist staffers who went in right

01:05:15.340 after like two years like all right i'm you know when i when i started this i was like 26 now i'm 28

01:05:21.000 i want to get married or something i'm gonna go do something else right yeah but it was also

01:05:24.640 you know they they had i think i'd love to hear your thoughts on this i think one of the problems is um

01:05:33.500 uh term limits you know but i don't think term limits you can't we cannot focus on term limits just

01:05:43.420 for congress they focused on term limits for the president and didn't do congress you have to talk

01:05:51.140 about term limits for servants you know the the the state department you should time out yeah because

01:05:59.240 there are these groups of people that gain power so much power over i've been here for 30 years i don't

01:06:07.160 care who's in office well that's a problem i think so my only concern with that would be

01:06:12.660 uh a brain drain there's yeah and there's and there's a certain level of like institutional

01:06:17.480 knowledge that comes that builds up after a while staggers yeah i mean so yeah that i don't mean like

01:06:23.540 every four years i mean you have i don't know 12 years or six years or whatever it is and or it's

01:06:30.520 by age or something whatever yeah yeah and then the the second concern that i would have is because

01:06:35.980 you see this happening in florida where we do have um term limits in the state house and the state

01:06:40.660 legislature which is that it really builds up the institution that it builds up are the the lobbyists

01:06:47.440 then that becomes the most powerful institution now i guess you could make that same claim now that

01:06:53.200 you know that the same argument that look are the lobbyists not powerful in dc um so i guess there's

01:06:58.460 like there are pros and cons uh but conceptually i'm not uh i'm not opposed to it i'm i would like to

01:07:03.620 see how it works out so jeff flake the word is that he compromised now there's two ways to look

01:07:09.560 at him yeah he he said no i want to i i really think it's right to do you know to have an extra week

01:07:17.240 um and then vote yes for kavanaugh a week later or i'm leaving i i want to be a bipartisan lobbyist

01:07:29.460 so i will vote with the democrats for another week and then i will vote with the republicans okay i heard

01:07:38.020 that on one of the broadcasts that i mean that's so cynical might be true might not be true i don't

01:07:45.600 think anybody in washington if you serve you're done you're george washington set the example yeah you

01:07:52.700 do two terms and then you go home to farm yeah you don't you go back to your job you're not

01:07:59.160 you're not lobbying you're not doing any of that stuff get out of here yeah well it you become like

01:08:06.020 these swamp creatures yeah you do like stick like like stick around and you have the constant revolving

01:08:10.380 door and people who don't leave they they just they they never leave they're always there there's

01:08:14.780 always that new contract to get the you know like this new gig that you're gonna have like uh be

01:08:19.760 promoting so i i completely agree with you i i think that the way that that the parties are

01:08:24.440 structured i think that the way that these advocacy groups work now uh they're they're it's by design

01:08:32.560 by design they are they are created to push people to extremes fear and and anger are the things that

01:08:40.320 get people to move yeah yeah so um

01:08:45.960 can i go back to florida for sure

01:08:53.100 the candidate that just wants just a little more you told that story and then

01:09:04.100 you told the story of hugo chavez right and this is one problem that i think people have

01:09:13.260 on the right and the left okay on the right and the left um 70 percent of americans believe that

01:09:22.160 um abortion is should be rare and uh and safe safe rarely yeah yeah um so the 70 percent

01:09:34.100 of the american people say you know what after a certain very early time period no abortion

01:09:41.120 yeah um and and there are those me and i can't say i don't know where i don't know if it's i don't

01:09:49.880 know when yeah me either yeah so i struggle with that all the time yeah right yeah okay so but i'm i'm

01:09:55.640 more on the um none however i've asked myself could you say to your daughter after she's been raped yeah

01:10:05.500 no

01:10:06.920 no i couldn't i could say honey no matter how the child was created it's still a child but i i could

01:10:20.000 not see if my daughter was just tortured by it yeah i i how do you i mean you have to be

01:10:26.560 i don't know yes yes it's hard i don't know how i'd react in that situation the way that i've always

01:10:32.720 approached the abortion the the abortion issue is that i agree with you i think there's a point in

01:10:37.180 the pregnancy where i think everyone agrees that this is this is too much so there are there are

01:10:43.100 there's a problem where conservatives are viewed as if you put a conservative on the court

01:10:53.380 he's going to take away you know uh tampax oh yeah you know the it's just so extreme yeah and and

01:11:05.480 there are those nobody's gonna nobody's gonna take away you know birth control right right um

01:11:12.800 however there would be some that would say no i because it's life i think life is at the moment

01:11:19.580 of conception that's possible um on the other side you do have people peter singer is the most extreme

01:11:28.040 who had to apologize for putting a time limit on it but he believes you should be able to kill your

01:11:36.040 child up until two years old it's until the time right much okay yeah partial birth abortion that is

01:11:44.020 that is so extreme yeah most americans are out there we get there because there are people

01:11:53.180 we were like we were talking about the democratic socialists gun control yep they do want every gun

01:12:01.560 gone not all of them but i can no longer tell who's lying and who's not so i'm not going to give

01:12:08.540 you anything right that's unworkable right and and i think that's but i think that's a product of the

01:12:17.240 way that washington is designed right now because you have because of the interest groups they keep

01:12:21.760 pushing their respective allies and parties further and further to the extremes because they're just like

01:12:26.940 entrenched and nobody wants to uh lose this battle because then they know like they see they see

01:12:33.420 everything in terms of like incrementalism where um it's not just a background check now then this is

01:12:39.200 gonna like you know if they do the background check then they're gonna come away for that like come for

01:12:43.480 the handguns um i i don't know that i have an answer to that in terms of how to fix that i i saw um

01:12:49.800 michael porter have put from harvard business school put out this wonderful case study

01:12:54.200 on how to fix politics uh he had like some some great ideas i that i thought would be kind of

01:13:00.600 interesting he he found he analyzed the problem and he identified the problem i thought it was spot on

01:13:06.520 some of the solutions are kind of interesting which is like maybe have like these jungle primaries

01:13:10.340 throughout the country which may maybe help push people more toward the center i don't know if that

01:13:14.240 if that works um and and a series of of campaign finance reforms but is it a push to the center

01:13:21.940 or is it a push to see because i i don't like it if people say to me like they say to you you've

01:13:32.080 changed no i really i haven't i haven't changed one principle yeah not one i just refuse to go over

01:13:38.340 the cliff with the rest of humanity right um uh and people some people will say oh you're you're

01:13:46.480 running towards the center no i'm not i'm absolutely not the center used to be and this is where i am but

01:13:54.400 this is no longer our center yeah our center used to be the constitution and the bill of rights right

01:14:00.660 we wouldn't be having these problems with the supreme court they've been made political the

01:14:06.140 constitution is not political it's not the bill of rights is not political so if you have somebody

01:14:13.300 saying no i'm sorry this is what the law says period it's in violation of these rights sometimes

01:14:22.860 you have to rule for the freedom of speech with the nazi right sorry sometimes you know it goes the

01:14:30.120 other way it should be the court should be when we have to split the baby in half you know what i mean

01:14:38.380 when we have such a question we're like what i i don't know the supreme court should be the i don't

01:14:45.860 know the answer to this question yeah yeah we're not there yeah and one of the one of the most

01:14:51.120 frustrating things that i that i've seen on like on the left over these past like 30 40 years is that

01:14:56.400 uh i saw justice galia once give this talk where he said look if if a pro-life group came to me and

01:15:04.440 said on on a constitutional ground we need to ban abortions across all 50 states i would have to say

01:15:09.800 no there's nothing in the constitution that that addresses that and i'd have to say the same to a

01:15:15.060 liberal group if they wanted to on a constitutional basis have it on across all 50 states so the founders

01:15:22.540 left those types of questions up to the democratic process and they created a way for the constitution to

01:15:28.400 be amended what's incredibly frustrating is that nobody on my side is talking about this

01:15:33.040 why aren't if if you care so much about abortion rights why don't you work talk to your fellow

01:15:39.620 citizens convince them of your ideas and pass a constitutional amendment do you know that the

01:15:44.780 founders wrote about abortion i was not aware of that no this is this will blow your mind

01:15:49.080 because this is they were exactly where we are now where you and i are now

01:15:56.460 you can you kill the baby it's illegal after what they called the quickening which is once the baby

01:16:06.540 moves and the woman can feel the baby move then you know it's a baby and it's moving so no can't kill

01:16:16.280 it after that if you know something happens beforehand okay yeah that they discussed this

01:16:24.480 wow and they came to that that isn't that where we are where it's viable yeah yeah and and and i think

01:16:32.800 most people would able like like i'm catholic right i have certain views in terms like when life begins

01:16:37.840 right but i can't impose those views on other people that's that's kind of where i'm at where i'd say

01:16:42.180 you know within within within that first trimester period right with you know like i can't convince

01:16:48.340 someone um i'm not saying i believe this but i'm saying like you're very concerned like a very

01:16:53.340 conservative catholic i don't think can impose on somebody else hey you should not take that birth

01:16:57.080 control pill um right right like right um so i think we need to create these are the kinds of

01:17:03.280 things though that i think the founders left up to the democratic process right they so you know

01:17:07.260 that was not a federal discussion yeah that was a local discussion yeah that was

01:17:11.920 what are we doing in our low is this murder is this not murder you know what i mean and i'm not

01:17:16.660 saying they got it right yeah but they struggled with this exact same thing and they they came to

01:17:24.460 a place once you know it's a baby no yeah yeah and and i i think people of good conscience on both

01:17:31.220 sides can come to different conclusions on that and agree to disagree and you know and and battle out

01:17:37.520 but i think we need to return to a system where that is done through the democratic process

01:17:41.200 not where we try to get ultra creative with how we interpret the constitution if we need to amend

01:17:45.920 the constitution that's a separate discussion amen but we but we cannot pretend because then you start

01:17:51.080 getting into these situations which is what i've seen in latin america which is where i do most of my

01:17:55.580 work now where you see that the courts in latin america have incredibly creative interpretations

01:18:00.840 of the laws that are on the books and there is zero consistency and what that creates is unpredictability

01:18:07.080 because it's not just we're not just talking about then about political matters but we're talking

01:18:10.360 about unpredictability in terms like how are contracts enforced how are labor laws observed

01:18:14.840 one of the reasons why we're so successful yeah we're stable americans are the the in in in spanish

01:18:22.140 the the word for boring is aburrido right so americans are aburrido according to latin americans

01:18:28.980 because they see them as like very yeah like very simple and like like they're not that creative

01:18:33.740 with their laws right right and that's a great that's a great thing about this country yeah

01:18:37.900 we need to return to that um i look i'm not one of these guys who thinks that the u.s is going to be

01:18:43.100 like venezuela i don't think the u.s is going to be like venezuela i think that that's kind of crazy

01:18:46.520 to think that the u.s is going to end up like venezuela but i i can see us ending up you know

01:18:51.740 somewhere like between like argentina and brazil in terms of like unpredictability in our laws and

01:18:56.360 unpredictability in our markets and i think that would be disastrous for this country

01:19:01.020 that's a bob that's could i ask you a question you can't see us turn into venezuela well venezuelans

01:19:09.240 couldn't either and you know that yeah um um you don't see contention that we have now say give it

01:19:18.200 two years and we're at each other's throats and then the economy comes to a screeching halt and people

01:19:25.700 are out of work and it's trouble you can't see that i could see that happening and i can see like

01:19:32.580 a federal jobs program come like like like coming in and then even though the democratic socialists

01:19:39.460 are like a hot new thing yeah what i could so i could see that exact same situation and then some

01:19:45.420 kind of like massive federal jobs program and then those federal workers are becoming like political

01:19:51.840 pawns of whoever's like that president or who does this right which is exactly what happened in

01:19:57.660 buenos aires in argentina where the economy tanked the president of the country um uh christina krishner

01:20:05.780 uh she created all these federal jobs blew up the country's uh government payrolls and then she turned

01:20:14.500 these uh like government employees into political weapons to mobilize them constantly against her

01:20:21.040 her like her her opposition that's very dangerous i do not when i say i could see us kind of moving in

01:20:27.200 that direction that's what i mean i'm not talking about the crazy currency stuff but i could kind of

01:20:31.480 see us moving into that which is which then gets us to the crazy currency stuff i mean which might yeah

01:20:36.920 you did the numbers on democratic socialist proposals yeah they do not add up are they that's i'm putting

01:20:44.340 it like mild terribly yes yeah i mean it's to the in their own in their estimates it's what a 40

01:20:52.640 trillion dollar program yeah so you had a great guy on your show uh brian right now i don't know if

01:20:58.120 i'm pronouncing his last name correctly uh who he he crunched the numbers and they actually let him

01:21:02.540 publish it in box and he used that was amazing yeah he did not use any conservative or libertarian

01:21:08.140 estimates he used the left and left of center um estimates for how what these programs would cost

01:21:13.780 and even with those numbers and we've done like 40 trillion dollars over the next decade and that's

01:21:18.960 like a very charitable estimate for how much this stuff would cost because in reality it would cost

01:21:23.780 a lot more i i would like to huge asterisk on something that in terms like a view of mine that

01:21:29.620 has changed because now that i'm thinking about this it's on education on education i've become much

01:21:34.820 more conservative uh i struggled a lot with paying for school when i was younger

01:21:39.420 uh it took me forever ever to finish my undergrad because part because i was like easily distracted

01:21:45.560 also uh because i was working i was talented and i was making a little bit of money and i was like

01:21:50.380 you know i'll take my time with this um but look at how our university system is or is run it's insane

01:21:59.840 it's grotesque if you if if i right now walked into a bank and tried to get a hundred and twenty

01:22:05.340 thousand dollar loan for chevy impala they'd laugh at me they'd say would you crazy that car's not

01:22:09.460 worth that right but you could walk but you could doesn't matter whether you're majoring in nuclear

01:22:15.320 engineering or in non-binary butterfly studies or something you know whatever you'd get the same exact

01:22:23.000 loan it there it's it's not tied to the value of the degree so you create these perverse incentives

01:22:29.520 for the universities to keep pushing up their prices but what has created that it's it's so

01:22:35.320 it's a couple of things this crazy notion that everyone needs a college degree right which is

01:22:40.700 a social stigma that's really peddled a lot by politicians um guaranteed federal federal loans

01:22:47.900 i have to be completely honest as i think not everyone should go to college there should be

01:22:53.420 uh alternatives not every degree should take four years i work as a publicist i have to be totally

01:23:00.240 honest with you maybe the stuff that i learned my first year of college was useful because i took

01:23:05.220 a lot of like writing classes and i read a lot but i hadn't needed any of that stuff afterward right

01:23:10.860 so why did i need to pay for those three extra years what good like you know i could have learned

01:23:16.000 that stuff either through an online course for or paying like twenty dollars in skillshare

01:23:21.380 i have met i i personally believe in the apprentice program um but i have met more people that have

01:23:31.000 come out of media studies who are just unhirable you don't know what reality is it's nothing like what

01:23:38.240 you were just taught no thank you yeah um and and i've seen i've seen people come in with a degree

01:23:45.060 and i've seen people come in without a degree who are just doing it you know they just figured it out

01:23:50.420 i'd bet on these people every single time you spend a lot of time trying to undo some of the box

01:23:58.920 thinking that you've been yeah taught yeah and do you know why i got my degree so i had a lot of my

01:24:05.320 friends pushed me um and so that was i'm glad i did it right uh you know i i don't regret it but

01:24:13.020 when i was applying for jobs there was now like everything was automated and even for like just

01:24:19.180 a mid-level communications pr manager kind of job um you you could you now had to check off a box

01:24:25.420 that would you had to indicate whether you yes you did have a ba or no you didn't have a ba if you

01:24:30.980 didn't have a ba it would throw out your resume and when i realized that was happening i was like

01:24:34.880 all right i need to be able to check off this box that that i that i have a ba we are creating a

01:24:40.140 system in this country where people who didn't maybe for whatever reason they couldn't study

01:24:45.880 or they couldn't finish their education and we're telling them you guys are worthless

01:24:49.700 um for jobs that do not require if you look at the job itself like what people are doing

01:24:56.020 you don't need a ba to do most professions out there i will tell you that um i get hammered all

01:25:02.880 the time you never went to college well no i couldn't afford it i i did go to one semester

01:25:07.880 yeah you know and and it was a decent college it was yale yeah um but no don't have a degree

01:25:14.240 didn't study there were you partying with brett cavanaugh i can tell you um however when i went to

01:25:23.740 interview for private schools for my children yeah i went and i talked to all the history teachers

01:25:30.560 who are educated who have their certificates i will tell you that one out of eight

01:25:38.400 was was qualified sure the others i could i could i could just run circles around them they were

01:25:48.220 unbelievably unbelievably shallow in their knowledge why why does that certificate mean anything

01:25:57.500 why does it mean anything yeah and i think that's an uh that's an area of deep frustration

01:26:05.240 that i have with my own party because all we talk about is let's pump more money into education

01:26:09.620 i'm fine with you if you're talking about pumping more money into education is because like there are

01:26:14.160 schools that are collapsing or something okay fine yeah you can't have kids going to schools that are

01:26:17.380 collapsing right but if you make college free that's it's it's done you you would strip strip it out of

01:26:26.260 it's like intrinsic value right you you would artificially you would create an an artificial

01:26:31.000 valley for degrees that aren't worth it uh people like that's not a good route to go down i talked

01:26:37.500 to somebody the other day who said here's what should happen um we should uh you should graduate from

01:26:43.760 high school 16 yeah um and then you could take a year or two and do what you want and if you want to

01:26:51.380 go to school you go to school and um you're you go to college for what you want to do and maybe it's

01:26:58.940 two years yeah you know if you want to be a doctor it's four six or eight but yeah you know you're a

01:27:03.840 regular person one two years depends on what you do take the classes i'm okay with that yeah i i and i

01:27:13.160 why does every degree have to take four years i don't understand no what it seems to me like there

01:27:19.500 are some vested interests that are being propped up there um are you optimistic i i am naturally an

01:27:29.420 optimist i know i'm an optimistic catastrophist yeah i i'm naturally an optimist i i am deeply

01:27:36.420 concerned though about the tone in washington i don't see this getting better anytime soon what do

01:27:41.280 you see happening what what does 2020 look like in america if nothing changes so you you are going

01:27:50.480 to have the so somebody for example right like when people ask me who are the great democrats like who

01:27:56.180 are the democrats that you like when because i i punch left often i tell them yeah look i think a guy

01:28:01.540 like bill nelson my senator he's awesome right i like tim kate a lot decent man um but those guys would

01:28:09.040 never ever win a democratic primary now so it's it's it's a battle between the intersectional identity

01:28:16.060 politics and the socialist left and that's what's going to come and sometimes you have both those two

01:28:21.860 aren't necessarily mutually exclusive um that's not the democratic party though that's a different

01:28:26.880 that's a whole that's not what i signed up for yeah that's that's like a uh some kind of cult

01:28:32.300 did you see the heartland study that came out a democrat don't remember where a democrat um

01:28:52.500 that's a lot like you paid for an independent study of the heartland and then went to capitol hill and

01:29:00.740 said please please what are you doing look at this poll look at this research that we've done yeah

01:29:09.560 you are not the party of the heartland at all right and at some point the heartland democrat

01:29:19.140 wakes up and went and goes i'm not these people i am just not these people yeah the thing though is that

01:29:27.200 the those people i when you asked me i forgot what was the the term from the term from dr seuss if i

01:29:33.480 was this or that uh i know a lot of people among my friends who think that the democrats are going too

01:29:39.140 far to the left but they are terrified of the alternative because they see politics in binary terms

01:29:44.240 um so if there was this is my i know republicans in washington and i keep saying to them go find

01:29:56.700 yourself five democrats go find yourself five democrats and you five and those five you just

01:30:04.100 stand up in the congress or the well of the senate and you say exactly what was said in 1863

01:30:12.200 three you people are not serious either party yeah i'm done and walk out and hold a press conference

01:30:22.960 and say we are shedding our party because these people are not serious there's too many big problems

01:30:31.000 in the 18 1850s it was slavery yep and that is what created the republican party it was democrats

01:30:39.440 or wigs uh and uh and democrats that came together was it wigs i can't remember but it was the two of

01:30:48.180 them coming together saying this is disgusting you keep talking about changing slavery but you don't want

01:30:53.880 to yeah you're just living with it you're just kicking it down the road yeah well to take a page out of

01:30:59.300 your book people are addicted to outrage yeah that's that's that is there is literally i i'll sit down with

01:31:05.560 my friends and we'll talk yeah i i think it's true yeah these people are going too far to the left

01:31:10.240 but then they say yeah but look at trump look what trump is doing look at all this stuff so it becomes

01:31:15.560 a binary choice which i think our system in some ways by design so i have a friend of mine uh who is a

01:31:22.560 studied political science he's a he's a professor at the university of chicago who told me something i

01:31:27.160 thought was very interesting the other day i was like you know why can't michael bloomberg who's got all

01:31:31.700 his money just run as an independent candidate why does he have to run with the democrats and he says

01:31:36.120 because because the way our system is designed you're likely yeah you cannot it's by design you cannot

01:31:41.540 get a third party you're likelier to get four parties before you get three you're likelier to get like

01:31:46.600 a moderate republican and then a uh a more conservative you know and then the the same on the left um

01:31:53.480 i i don't know that people care about this stuff so like there are these groups like

01:31:58.700 no labels and third way and but they're the you know they're constantly owned by the extremes of

01:32:07.720 both sides they're constantly pointed out oh these are rhinos or these guys are corporatists uh they're

01:32:13.780 trying to play look look at someone like cory booker look at what's happened to cory booker over

01:32:17.580 these last few years i mean cory booker came into washington as like a guy who was like

01:32:21.880 for charter schools and he was like this like the the new face of like centrist democrats

01:32:27.680 and it's just an absolute joke like it's because you don't think he's spartacus i i don't know if

01:32:33.920 he's spartacus no yeah i mean like i i respect the senator uh i respect him as a person but like

01:32:40.020 his political transformation that's what i'm saying it was a joke like it's tough to take it to take the

01:32:44.440 stuff seriously uh and it's incredibly frustrating i'm just a regular guy i'm not i have a job i have a

01:32:51.580 wife that i go to every night i'm just a regular dude i have a salary just like most of your listeners

01:32:56.500 right like um as like someone who's just like an observer kind of watching this and who has like

01:33:01.200 worked in politics i cannot believe my eyes of what's going on and also as someone who's like

01:33:06.640 lived among republicans before because i've lived in i you know i've lived in rural virginia

01:33:13.200 i could i don't see the other side as like my enemy i just see him as people who like

01:33:17.940 you know disagree with me on a few issues but like hey we just still have a couple of beers or

01:33:22.880 whatever you know um and i like i find i find the situation in washington right now is so toxic

01:33:28.640 and people are are just disgusted by it but they don't realize that their own side is also a part of

01:33:35.460 the problem you know and that's why that's part of what i found so refreshing about your book

01:33:39.180 that you were able to talk about your role also a few years ago you said oh look i contributed to

01:33:44.800 this i helped create this culture right now we need to fix it and i think we need more people who

01:33:49.540 are willing to say that people have a lot to lose if you say that yeah well and that's the purse strings

01:33:57.680 right because had i there's no way i could have gotten away with saying this kind of stuff a few years

01:34:03.240 ago because i was doing consulting work here here and there and people it's like i yeah why would i

01:34:08.980 risk i have friends who think exactly the same way that i do but they work in government you know

01:34:14.560 i can't tell you how many people have come to me and said glenn i agree with you on this this and this

01:34:21.980 i'm not going to say that i mean i'm not crazy and that's oh okay government's gotten too big yeah

01:34:28.500 because it should not you should not be ever you should not be afraid that you're not going if you

01:34:33.740 say this you're not going to get this consulting contractor i mean i'm talking about like

01:34:36.760 like like it's like one thing like somebody tries to come here to work for you and i'm not gonna

01:34:41.860 hire this guy because he's an a-hole right but these these are people who are like it's like political

01:34:46.440 fear which is different right these are people who are afraid to express like and they're talking

01:34:51.300 about things that are true not personality difference it's just like hey um the gender pay gap

01:34:58.100 is not driven by sexism this is what it's driven by nobody is is willing to say that because they are

01:35:05.680 too afraid of what's going to happen they're not going to get hired they're not they're not going

01:35:10.000 to work on the next campaign i know a guy i'm not going to mention this this person's name who worked

01:35:16.160 in i'm not going to see him because it would be easier i think to like narrow down he worked in a

01:35:20.980 democratic president's white house uh you know he's worked at the highest levels of democratic campaigns

01:35:28.780 he cannot get hired now um because he's a white man because he went to go work somewhere and they

01:35:36.560 told him that he was not culturally compatible with the organization after a few weeks and i like

01:35:42.480 i'm latino i could play the brown card if i wanted to although i'm not brown i'm like really pale like

01:35:48.180 maybe whiter than you are okay can you stop saying that no it's me like i'm like really pale

01:35:53.380 like i i burn up you know i'm the marshmallow man so so like but my friend cannot get hired and

01:36:00.820 that's scary and this is someone who's like paid his dues and but he he can't get one of these jobs

01:36:06.640 in these organizations in dc because he doesn't fit like this new identity politics mold so um let's end

01:36:14.400 it here um in my book i talk about trying to find our unum i say it's the bill of rights but

01:36:20.280 if we could just start there yeah judge me by the content of my character not the color of my skin or

01:36:31.140 my sex or anything else just what have you done and what can you do and what's your character look

01:36:40.820 like would be a much better place i agree i agree

01:36:45.120 do

01:36:54.220 you

01:37:01.060 you

01:37:09.120 We'll be right back.

The Glenn Beck Program - December 29, 2018

Ep 17 ｜ Giancarlo Sopo ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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