The Glenn Beck Program - Ep 170 ｜ Why Oscar Winner Richard Dreyfuss Is Grateful Glenn 'Outed' Him ｜ Richard Dreyfuss

00:00:00.000 Today's guest has been a violent bank robber, a shark fighting marine biologist, a passionate

00:00:07.260 composer, an uptight psychiatrist, a notorious scam artist, a lovelorn detective, a wizard named

00:00:14.420 Oz, and a suicidal architect trapped on a sinking ocean liner. He has encountered aliens and faced

00:00:23.580 3D piranhas. He has held the office of Republican Senator, a general, White House chief of staff,

00:00:29.300 and a vice president who ran the show. All of these as characters, of course, but he brought

00:00:34.900 each of them to life. As a kid, my guest today wanted to be the greatest actor in the world,

00:00:41.200 and it became an obsession. He won an Oscar when he was 29 for The Goodbye Girl. At the time,

00:00:49.220 he was the youngest actor to win a title he held for 25 years until Adrian Brody snatched it. He's

00:00:57.040 worked with George Lucas, Steven Spielberg, Oliver Stone, you name it. He was in American

00:01:02.640 Graffiti. Along the way, he got into some high-profile feuds. Bill Murray threw a glass

00:01:09.760 ashtray at his face. But today, he is not here to talk about his Academy Award or his celebrity feuds,

00:01:16.800 although I do have to ask him a few questions, or his iconic roles in Mr. Holland's Opus and Jaws.

00:01:23.720 He was never a Hollywood insider. He's here to sound the alarm, to protect the Constitution,

00:01:29.960 to stir the healthy dissent, to protect the lone voice. He told me right before the podcast that

00:01:38.860 I was the one who outed him in Hollywood. When I apologized, I didn't realize that.

00:01:45.760 He said, no, no, no, this is one of the best things that's happened to me.

00:01:48.460 He is a man committed to nothing less than saving America. It has been his mission for the past few

00:01:56.740 decades, and it is the subject of his new book called One Thought Scares Me. He wants us all to

00:02:04.320 ask ourselves, when American fails, what then? Please welcome on today's podcast, Richard Dreyfuss.

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00:03:55.500 Welcome, Richard. How are you? Hiya. I just want to start with this because you probably haven't

00:04:12.540 seen this well. Usually we slate the show, but we should slate with Steven Spielberg's slate from

00:04:19.280 Jaws. I don't know if you remember that. Well, it was originally named Jews.

00:04:23.740 Was it? You know, we've spent just a few minutes backstage a few years ago. I don't even know how

00:04:33.940 long ago. 2016. And we've spent maybe a half an hour today before this. I don't know, but I think if we

00:04:47.220 lived next door to each other, we'd be friends. Absolutely. Absolutely. The idea that we wouldn't

00:04:57.120 be friends is such a contemporary nightmare of a country that it's not acceptable. But I don't mean

00:05:03.980 like friends out of respect. I think you, we may disagree and we'll find out on stuff. We may disagree

00:05:11.940 on a few things, but you're rooted in the truth. You're rooted in history. You're not, it's,

00:05:21.700 it's very popular now to just dismiss history or miscast it and not care because you want it to bend

00:05:31.900 your way. Uh, yeah, there are people who now think that opposing views are un-American. They don't know

00:05:43.980 that opposing views are entwined and threaded through the constitution, the bill of rights,

00:05:53.220 and what we show to the world we believe in. You know, there's a very simple thing and it's

00:06:03.540 these documents tell the world who we are and why we are to be. And we strive to be. And we say,

00:06:14.100 because they are works in progress, they tell us who we want to be when we grow up. Yes. Yeah. I mean,

00:06:25.940 uh, I've often said, but we, we dismiss the declaration and the constitution now so much

00:06:32.260 but I I'll lose my American, you know, ism or my love for America. If you can show me a country

00:06:42.880 whose mission statement is better than those truths that we hold self-evident that all men are

00:06:50.300 created equal and, you know, endowed by a creator that is, we're not even close to that. We never

00:06:56.160 have been close to it. There's been times where we get closer and then like with Martin Luther King

00:07:01.840 need to be reminded and we get a little closer again. But I fear that that now is being lost as

00:07:09.840 old dusty words that mean nothing. I certainly think that when we allow our kids to tell us what is

00:07:20.940 valuable and what is nurturing, we're going to the wrong people. What does that mean? It means

00:07:29.380 there's, there's a book called Five Minds for the Future and it's about the development of the human

00:07:37.280 brain and basically it says that there are a number of different kinds of brains that we can

00:07:45.040 shoot for but until you're in the fourth grade you cannot conceive of abstraction. So you can't

00:07:56.060 understand metaphor, simile like that. And yet it's, it's our obligation to get that young

00:08:05.900 an audience to fall in love with their country. And so we created Glory Tales and they are good for the

00:08:16.440 kindergarten, first, second and third grade. And in the fourth grade they are armed to the teeth

00:08:22.720 and they know that Nathan Hale is a stand-in for America. And that George Washington throwing

00:08:29.720 the thing across the river is a stand-in for America. So that when they start to learn the

00:08:36.840 details, they're already in love. Right. When you hear of educators saying, we're going to hold off on

00:08:47.860 all of that until the university level, then you know, not only did those educators last read

00:08:56.860 the Constitution when they were in the third grade or fourth grade, but no university level child

00:09:06.480 can understand the Constitution because they're built to be skeptical and cynical.

00:09:15.480 Right. And that means you can't tell them to love their country. Right. They will give you this.

00:09:21.880 Right. So you've got to get them in love with the enlightenment values that the Constitution has

00:09:30.540 and you've got to get them in love with defending those things. And they have been gone from the

00:09:38.480 curriculum for 50 years. That's the core problem. That's the problem. We're not even saying,

00:09:50.280 well, if you studied a little bit more, they have no idea about the Constitution.

00:09:54.980 They have no idea about the Bill of Rights. No. None. And they think that the Republican or

00:10:00.720 Democratic parties are on an equal level with the Constitution. And that is infantile and suicidal.

00:10:11.020 So you wrote the book, One Thought Scares Me. And that thought is,

00:10:18.080 we teach our children what we wish them to know. We don't teach them what we don't wish them to know.

00:10:29.960 What does that mean? It means that they've taken it out. They've taken civics out because we don't

00:10:37.460 want you to be a participating citizen. We don't want you to be the child of that revolution.

00:10:45.880 So, but if you look at, if you look at what's happening now, it seems like all they're doing

00:10:53.920 in school is training kids to be an activist. Oh, no, no. Activism terrifies these people. And I'll

00:11:03.220 tell you who they are, because there was a very real reason for it. I'm a baby boomer, right? And that

00:11:12.100 means that there was a generation above me, but not so above that they actually went to World War

00:11:18.320 II. And I call them the James Dean generation. Okay. Too, too young to help their dad in World War

00:11:29.260 II and too old to take acid with me. Okay. My mom was in that generation and it was a screwed up

00:11:38.260 generation going between the two. Yeah. There was good and bad. And we were proud of all of it as an

00:11:47.240 exercise in the Bill of Rights. And others hated every minute of it because they thought that they

00:11:54.700 had proven the defeat of participating citizenship. And 1968 was the year when you watched on television

00:12:08.260 the Democratic Convention, the Democratic Convention of 68, the mayor of Chicago yelling you on TV,

00:12:18.240 the Chicago cops beating kids who were wearing funny clothes. And everyone had forgotten all of their

00:12:30.860 drug taking just in time to declare war on us for our drug taking. And that happens to be an hysterical part

00:12:41.620 of this story. Washington, I was asked here by one of your staff, who was my favorite founder? And I

00:12:51.060 humped. I didn't give him a straight answer. And then I realized when you were showing me through the

00:12:57.260 museum, I have a very real answer for that. And it's George Washington. Because Washington was,

00:13:06.520 as an inarticulate writer, said the most profound things about us. And he said, the Constitution must

00:13:17.320 always be central. The factions must always be peripheral. And we live in the absolute

00:13:27.340 opposite, absurd opposition to that. And we've actually had it removed long enough so that we have no

00:13:38.580 muscle memory of it. So, I mean, we have destroyed our history. And may I say, yeah, it happened this

00:13:47.100 way. In 1971 and two and three, those those members of that generation were on school boards. That's the

00:13:56.580 way they first became adults. And they were on school boards. And the first thing they did was to kill

00:14:02.900 civics. Because they thought civics had caused the Democratic Convention of 68. And within 10 years,

00:14:13.420 civics was gone from every school district in the country. And I mean, the whole thing, the knowledge

00:14:21.140 of the birth tale of the country, the opposition to the way they did it in England, to the monarchy,

00:14:28.360 we fired a king for fraud. Wow. And the aristocracy. And we said, we will teach you that which you have

00:14:41.000 never been allowed to learn. And that's when they started to come. And we dealt only with the poor.

00:14:50.220 And we said, you learn these values. And you become American. There is no limit to what you will

00:14:58.740 achieve. Correct. And that was a thing they'd been wanting to hear for 5,000 years. Right. And we have

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00:16:31.260 and enter the discount code of GLEN50. Tell me, because you grew up in a great, crazy family.

00:16:40.780 Your grandmother fought on the campaign of Eugene Debs, if I'm not mistaken. Your father was in the

00:16:49.160 Battle of the Bulge. Your mother was a Vietnam protester. My great-grandaunt assassinated Czar

00:16:56.240 Alexander in 1881. Shut up. My grandaunt assassinated the Czar in 1881. She popped the Czar

00:17:10.780 Czar. Wow. Wow. So you have some rebellion in you. But there's a difference to me. There's a great

00:17:24.060 deal of difference between Martin Luther King did, which he was saying, remember who we're supposed

00:17:29.820 to be and who we're trying to be. And now it is so anti-American. What happened? When did that happen?

00:17:41.540 It happened because of the 60s. But wait, wait, wait. But if I'm not mistaken, your family, I mean,

00:17:50.100 socialism, communism, had to be a lot of people around you. But they loved America.

00:17:55.520 We loved America. I loved America. I was born as a red diaper baby. Right. I'm a communist son.

00:18:03.320 Right. I am a communist child. I was born on the left. And I learned where I differed and where I

00:18:13.240 didn't. Because these men who had fought in gangs in Brooklyn first, and then in the war against

00:18:22.560 Hitler, they knew, all of them, why they were fighting. And when they came back from World War II,

00:18:32.560 they were each given a gift, a gift of the GI Bill of Rights. And that meant a house, a college,

00:18:43.560 a university. It meant the ability to change your life for the better. And it was done because the

00:18:51.740 government recognized that these guys hadn't been kidding. This was a nightmare. My father's

00:19:00.240 unit, the usual turn is 21 days in combat. My father was 69 days behind the German lines. And

00:19:15.200 the government knew that they were asking this army of citizen soldiers to do the impossible.

00:19:23.700 And they did it. And when they came home, they came home to gratitude and love. And I have never known

00:19:35.040 a generation, never, that was so willing to weep at the national anthem at Yankee Stadium. And I would go

00:19:47.380 at every opportunity I had. And they would look down at me and my brother, and I'd be singing the words,

00:19:55.700 and they would cry. And one day, one of the guys, whose name was Tommy Grosso,

00:20:04.200 I was talking to him. And I said, I get it, I get it. Your totalitarian psychopath is better than his

00:20:14.720 totalitarian psychopath. And he started laughing so hard that his milk came up through his nose.

00:20:22.580 And if you could not find a generation that did not revere America, then those guys.

00:20:34.420 And then skipping a few generations, Robert Dole, a war hero, was brought back to the well of the Senate

00:20:43.340 Senate when they were going to re-up the GI Bill of Rights. And Santorum got up and made a lovely speech

00:20:55.060 about Robert Dole. And then he took down the GI Bill of Rights. He did not re-up it. He took it down

00:21:07.000 and humiliated Dole. And I watched this. I couldn't believe that an American political party would do

00:21:17.660 such a disgusting thing. But he had. And that's when I changed. I became enormously active.

00:21:35.040 And I think I've become active on an issue that is not partisan, that is for everyone, and that has

00:21:46.260 no enemies. To want to revive the study of civics, which means the study of the birth tale of America

00:21:56.100 and the birth tale of putting the Enlightenment values to work in our system. That is not a partisan issue.

00:22:08.080 And when I have been accused of that, I say, I am not a liberal.

00:22:17.060 I am a libo, conservo, rado, middle-of-the-rodo, just like most of you. You just haven't given it any

00:22:28.820 thought lately. And that's who I am. This is not to be discarded as a partisan issue.

00:22:38.900 Unfortunately, I think we have made, because of the lack of civics, we have made the flag our country.

00:22:51.520 And the images, and that means nothing. It means nothing. It is what those symbols stand for.

00:23:02.040 And now those symbols are rejected by one half of the country. But we're not talking, we're fighting

00:23:10.620 over that. And we're not talking about, but what do they represent? And I used to believe

00:23:17.900 that, I mean, I know our unum, e pluribus unum, came from the Bill of Rights, the Declaration of

00:23:27.900 Independence, who we want to be, not who we always are, who we want to be and strive to be.

00:23:32.620 Yeah. And then the Bill of Rights. I always thought those were sacred. And we can argue about

00:23:39.700 commas, we can argue about a lot of things. But those rights were sacred, sacred. And there's a

00:23:48.560 system to amend them. You know what I mean? Hey, nobody even knows them anymore.

00:23:55.120 That's right. We are violating all of them. And all of the chaos of the world is happening

00:24:01.320 because we no longer even know them. And those who do reject them or ignore them.

00:24:11.140 They've been the object of an argument for far longer than we know. Oliver Wendell Holmes said

00:24:21.180 no to Congress shall make no law. And he allowed crying fire in a crowded theater, etc. And John

00:24:36.740 Adams, on his last day in office, passed the Alien and Sedition Act.

00:24:43.820 I can't believe that somebody who was there at the beginning passed that. I mean, that's crazy.

00:24:50.560 And that craziness was you are not allowed to speak against the government, period. And this

00:25:00.560 by one of the founders, one of the writers of the damn thing. And when Eugene Debs, my grandmother

00:25:10.820 was a witness to the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire.

00:25:15.520 Wow.

00:25:16.560 And it was because of what she saw that day, 154 girls who hardly spoke English, jumping,

00:25:26.240 trying to fly out of the 19th story of the Triangle building.

00:25:32.620 If anybody remembers, the images from 9-11, very similar.

00:25:38.220 Yeah. Except there were bodies. Yeah.

00:25:42.040 And let's stop on that for a second. They were so destroyed on 9-11, there was no body.

00:25:49.940 But the ones that jumped out, there were a few that jumped to their death out the windows.

00:25:55.880 I don't know if you if you never saw that.

00:25:58.060 I saw them. I saw them jumping up. I didn't know that they were.

00:26:01.060 Yeah. But they didn't.

00:26:02.940 The thing was, 154 girls looking at the top, on the top of the building, like grand, fiery goddesses

00:26:15.440 because their hair and the sunlight created that image.

00:26:21.460 They stepped off into nothing, the first betrayal, and they fell at the feet of my 12-year-old grandmother

00:26:33.480 and 154 bodies.

00:26:37.880 Wow.

00:26:39.000 And she turned around and went to the Socialist Party headquarters and volunteered.

00:26:44.080 Ultimately, she became Eugene Debs' private secretary.

00:26:50.440 At the beginning, she was just a volunteer, and she heard Debs give a speech that said that

00:27:01.180 Woodrow Wilson should not be applauded because he had actually run on the platform,

00:27:09.260 I'll keep your children out of war.

00:27:11.060 And then the first thing he did was get us into it.

00:27:14.540 Oh, yeah.

00:27:15.060 And he was denied his vote and given, I think, a life in prison.

00:27:22.640 And what's his name?

00:27:25.560 Harding, who came after him.

00:27:28.000 Harding of the bad reputation.

00:27:32.120 He freed Eugene Debs, and he gave him back his vote.

00:27:36.380 Yeah.

00:27:36.620 So as far as I'm concerned, he's the best.

00:27:39.160 Yeah.

00:27:39.940 Wilson was the worst.

00:27:41.780 I think he is.

00:27:42.780 Yeah.

00:27:43.100 He was the worst.

00:27:44.080 And we're going through, I think, that time again.

00:27:48.160 I remember I first started really doing, I realized, I'm a recovering alcoholic.

00:27:54.920 Me too.

00:27:56.220 So when I'm 30.

00:27:57.520 40 years.

00:27:58.320 Good for you.

00:27:59.180 Good for you.

00:27:59.900 Yeah.

00:27:59.980 I'm 30 years old, and I realize I got to stop drinking.

00:28:04.820 And now I'm a dummy.

00:28:08.240 I'm a big, fat dummy that doesn't know anything.

00:28:10.880 So I really start to read.

00:28:12.620 And I start to read everybody who really disagrees.

00:28:14.940 I went to the bookstore or the library, and I'm like, this guy and this guy in the room would be crazy because they're so different.

00:28:23.760 And then just kind of went in and found the connections.

00:28:29.320 And I remember reading Immanuel Kant, and he said, there are many things that I believe that I shall never say, but I shall never say the things I do not believe.

00:28:40.140 And I thought, what kind of place, what must have that been like, where, as you say in your book, I had to whisper, you have to whisper your political views.

00:28:54.980 We're here.

00:28:56.320 Yeah.

00:28:56.820 We're here.

00:28:57.580 Yeah, that meant to those people who had been denied vividly any right to learn anything for 5,000 years, they heard this rumor on the wind that there was this place now across the Atlantic.

00:29:18.520 And they didn't move right away.

00:29:21.800 They waited almost 70 years.

00:29:23.760 But when they heard that the ones who had left earlier were now mayors and policemen, that's when they had to say, I will risk the lives of my children to get there.

00:29:42.120 Before that, the only ones who went were adventurers and torturers.

00:29:49.020 Correct.

00:29:49.380 And so these poor had to risk getting across the Atlantic, which by itself was the end of the world.

00:30:02.340 And you had to realize how hungry these people were for the right to learn how to write or read.

00:30:11.960 And when they got here, they were kept, basically, on their ships until a corrupt politician from Tammany walked up the gangplank and said,

00:30:28.920 My name is Jack O'Halloran, and I'm here to make you a Democrat.

00:30:35.060 And if you give me your vote, I'll give you a vote, a job, and a house.

00:30:45.420 And he did.

00:30:47.400 So they all became Democrats until Woodrow Wilson said that was illegal.

00:30:53.220 I think it was Roosevelt who did that, wasn't it?

00:30:55.460 No, no, no, no.

00:30:57.240 Actually, it was before Wilson, because there's a wonderful book called Plunkett of Tammany Hall.

00:31:06.560 And Plunkett used to have his shoes shined and spout to the newspapers.

00:31:13.080 And he said, if we are not allowed to do this thing, America will fall.

00:31:20.720 And everyone said he was crazy.

00:31:24.020 So they passed this law that said you could no longer nominate the patronage.

00:31:32.240 And then they said, and guess who was the next minority that came?

00:31:39.400 They were the blacks from the south.

00:31:41.900 And Tammany stood there and said, we can't help you.

00:31:49.960 We would be normally giving you a house and a job, and we can't.

00:31:56.260 It's illegal.

00:31:57.100 And that's why they stuck in Harlem for 80 years, and why it bred more racial injustice or racial silence.

00:32:11.460 And they never had a chance.

00:32:15.120 They never had a shot.

00:32:16.200 I want to make sure I understand.

00:32:17.340 You believe giving everybody a house and a job and everything else is good.

00:32:27.480 Well, in that system, yes.

00:32:30.260 Because that system was, when you first arrived in America, the first thing you tried to do was to take hold of a crime.

00:32:40.120 So the Jews took kosher food, the Italians had the mafia, the Irish had the five points, and each group first grabbed on to being a criminal class.

00:32:55.920 Their kids then went and took a city bureaucracy.

00:33:01.720 The Jews took accounting, the Italians took sanitation, and the cops were taken by the Irish.

00:33:09.260 And that's the way it lasted until 1950-ish, when all of a sudden, because of the change of progression, there were black cops in the car with the Irish and the Italian.

00:33:26.840 And, of course, they were treated like blacks were treated in those days.

00:33:30.720 And it got so bad that there was a meeting held in White Plains between all of the sergeants, Irish, Italian, Jewish, and black.

00:33:43.360 And they came to a piece, and the piece was, we'll stop calling you nigger if you let us share in your, what do they call it?

00:33:59.080 I'm losing my train.

00:34:01.800 The payoffs.

00:34:03.360 Each of them had a specific kind of cultural payoff.

00:34:08.340 The Jews took a solid percentage of any retail because of accounting, and the Irish took numbers, prostitution, like that.

00:34:23.380 And the Italians took their restaurant stuff.

00:34:28.720 And so there was enmity between these cultures.

00:34:35.440 And then they came to a piece because the black cop would go to his, you know, get his payoff, and his payoff was in drug money, which was 10 times what numbers and prostitution.

00:34:52.760 So while the Italian and Irish cop are counting out their usual $300, the black cop was counting out $1,500.

00:35:05.720 And they said, wait a minute, we want in on that.

00:35:11.200 And they got it for the piece, for the knowing I have a backup behind me because they weren't sure.

00:35:22.760 And that's how that happened.

00:35:24.460 And that's how drugs made it into the middle class because the New York Police Department let them.

00:35:33.260 And it came through the harbor, and it was dispersed.

00:35:39.040 So that culture opened up racial segregation and the drugs and everything else.

00:35:53.960 So what was interesting about it for me is my family is very political.

00:36:01.800 So my mother was, how do I say this?

00:36:11.380 She came up with the phrase, war is unhealthy for boys and girls and other living things, something.

00:36:18.520 That was a banner of the anti-war movement.

00:36:20.720 And women took over the jobs that their husbands left when they went to the draft or the war.

00:36:35.500 And they changed their names from Helen or Billy or Bobby Sue to, to, what are they, God, it's amazing how when you get older, you forget all the names.

00:36:56.340 I'm not your age, and I do that all the time.

00:36:59.320 Oh my God, it's awful.

00:37:00.580 But they became the workers, and they kept the country together.

00:37:08.680 They kept the corporations together.

00:37:11.180 They kept the army together because they made the weapons.

00:37:14.560 The Rosie the Riveter.

00:37:15.520 Rosie the Riveter.

00:37:16.420 Thank you so much.

00:37:17.560 Yeah.

00:37:17.680 And then the big lug came home, and she had more conflicting emotions about that because given the gift of a week in bed, hopefully, he then turned to her and said, thanks for keeping my job for me because I'm taking it back now.

00:37:42.380 And she lost more self-esteem at that moment than any other moment in history.

00:37:50.900 She was just summarily dismissed.

00:37:54.560 And she kept sane because of mother's little helper, and that was opium.

00:38:03.940 And that kept her going as long as she needed on the prairie and in the city.

00:38:13.920 You're telling almost the story of my mother in a way.

00:38:16.980 She was addicted to Valium, and it was because she could not settle in her mind her role.

00:38:26.400 She wasn't a hippie, so she wasn't burning bras, but she wasn't the World War II, you know, pre-World War II girl either.

00:38:34.780 So what am I?

00:38:36.440 So when she's lying next to her husband, she's actually feeling some of the strangest emotions that any human ever had.

00:38:46.300 She loved him.

00:38:47.860 She worshipped the fact that he got back.

00:38:50.380 And yet she wanted to take a frying pan and smash it over his head.

00:38:56.040 And that was Rosie the Riveter.

00:39:00.040 And we gave her, or she took, this mother's little helper, which from the prairie on, literally from the days of the immigrant wave, you know, populating the country.

00:39:14.960 These women, knowing they had to face another winter with six children and no husband, got loaded.

00:39:26.720 And they got loaded because they had to.

00:39:30.240 And then in the 50s, they, the way I say it in the book was, they put a little sparkle in the suburbs, you know.

00:39:43.420 They just had to because they were told to get out, but not told to go anywhere.

00:39:50.840 So they sat and did nothing.

00:39:55.660 And, and they forgot, by the way, that they were taking Librium and all that stuff just in time to be angry at their kids for taking acid and marijuana.

00:40:07.580 So it was a hand down.

00:40:10.100 It was a hand off.

00:40:12.040 And I wrote, I used to write cartoons.

00:40:15.480 And I wrote a cartoon.

00:40:17.360 Comic strips or cartoons?

00:40:19.520 Comic strips.

00:40:20.240 Okay, yeah.

00:40:21.200 I wrote one, which was, the boy sees the car with his father in it, weaving as it comes home.

00:40:29.140 And so, when he comes into the kitchen, he starts to kind of try to make him look better.

00:40:36.080 And the father, being a little loaded, pushes him away.

00:40:39.920 And they get into a fight.

00:40:43.020 A comic strip fight, you know, with the cloud of discord.

00:40:49.060 And...

00:40:50.240 They forget why they started this fight, but they're fighting.

00:40:54.460 That generation is fighting.

00:40:56.980 And they're fighting what?

00:40:59.220 Well, he's telling me what to do and how to dress and what to, how, how, and what's valuable.

00:41:05.520 They had to.

00:41:06.600 They fought in the same way that every antelope fought the older antelopes.

00:41:22.720 And we weren't smart enough to realize that's what was going on.

00:41:29.540 So, we thought it was a nightmare.

00:41:32.560 When it, in fact, it was just business as usual.

00:41:36.860 Right.

00:41:37.560 And all the times of tranquility, they were rare.

00:41:45.700 We think that they weren't, but they were rare.

00:41:50.260 Discord was the norm.

00:41:53.700 And when the fathers fought the sons, they thought they were fighting over drugs.

00:41:59.860 They thought they were, they thought they were fighting over, well, the way I like to put it, everyone remembers that James Dean died.

00:42:10.720 No one remembers the plot of Rebel Without a Cause.

00:42:17.340 And the plot of Rebel Without a Cause is the story I'm telling you now.

00:42:23.680 It is about, no one listens to me.

00:42:29.100 You're, you're, you're tearing me apart.

00:42:32.260 The father, who is now upset and worried about getting a raise, couldn't possibly be the guy with the hidden pictures from the war,

00:42:45.760 holding a bowie knife in his teeth and ears of Japanese people.

00:42:54.040 And they couldn't be the same one, but they were.

00:42:57.840 And so they were totally confused.

00:42:59.820 When Marlon Brando was asked in The Wild One, what are you rebelling against?

00:43:07.140 His answer was, what have you got?

00:43:11.540 And, and no one realized the profundity of all of this.

00:43:15.060 This, this was real.

00:43:16.680 They didn't know why, but they knew that they had to.

00:43:20.060 They had evolution behind them.

00:43:23.100 Millions of years of evolution was forcing this to be an issue.

00:43:27.260 And that's why, no matter how good the civics was, as taught in public schools,

00:43:37.460 the, the television, which was a new and magic technology, which when turned on, hypnotized you.

00:43:47.060 And advertising, advertising was relatively new in the, in that form.

00:43:54.940 They, they didn't need a nanny.

00:44:00.300 They were just plunked down in front of the television.

00:44:03.420 And then the television showed them the democratic convention of 1968, which blew civics out the window for everyone.

00:44:13.960 So that in 1972, knowing that they couldn't get rid of it, they moved it from history to social studies, up one flight and around the corner.

00:44:27.300 And social studies became this gentle panorama of life in the USA, not a bring, bringing these questions to bear on our lives, which is what we did.

00:44:43.460 That's why they call it a revolution.

00:44:46.400 Right.

00:44:46.520 And so if, let me say this, and I say this better than I ever do in the book, this was a revolution, and that meant we turned all the virtues and all the values on their head, all over the world.

00:45:04.160 They either accepted or rejected.

00:45:06.580 If you're going to run a counter revolution and take every one of those things out of the curriculum, it deserves the same noise, the same yelling and screaming and, and marches and parades that the original revolution had.

00:45:30.340 And it didn't, it didn't have anything but silence.

00:45:34.200 They took it out and didn't tell anyone.

00:45:39.100 So we ran right through the seventies and eighties.

00:45:42.660 And it wasn't until close to the turn of the century that anyone bothered to say, oh, we're not teaching civics anymore.

00:45:55.420 They still haven't.

00:45:57.060 I have read every book.

00:45:59.460 I have read every book about this subject that is written in English.

00:46:03.600 So let's, let's concentrate on that for a second.

00:46:07.460 What, tell me what civics is and, and how to put it in back in to our lives.

00:46:17.000 Civics is the general name for the tools that can make you expert in thinking.

00:46:27.600 They are how to think, not what to think, but how to think.

00:46:35.180 And they teach things like clarity of thought, clarity of expression, and history.

00:46:43.780 History, and history cannot possibly be one version.

00:46:49.200 Right.

00:46:49.340 There's always at least two.

00:46:51.180 Correct.

00:46:51.960 And I, if I fantasize myself as a high school teacher, I say to my history class, there's always two versions.

00:47:02.720 Always.

00:47:03.080 How many kids here in this room have the same politics as their parents?

00:47:10.440 Whatever number the hands show, I say, for the next semester, you take the opposite view on everything.

00:47:19.380 Everything, everything, everything, every test, every question, and I'll know if you tank and I will fail you out of this class.

00:47:30.240 So that they've got to be exposed to the opposite view.

00:47:35.400 Yeah.

00:47:36.580 And that is, that's why I started reading opposites and then moved in.

00:47:41.280 Yeah.

00:47:41.700 You, you, you're a paper tiger.

00:47:44.740 You know nothing if you don't know, I mean, my, my, my favorite teachers were the ones who you could never pin down.

00:47:53.660 You'd be like, wait a minute, halfway through the semester, you'd be like, he's switching sides.

00:48:00.900 I think, you know, you think he's one way and he goes the other way.

00:48:04.540 My favorite teacher.

00:48:05.600 And I, I, I, I, I so regret that my being 75 makes it impossible to believe that she's still alive.

00:48:17.480 Mrs. Palmer was my history teacher, sixth, seventh, and eighth grade.

00:48:24.340 Wow.

00:48:24.880 She was a diehard Republican.

00:48:27.780 My mother was a diehard socialist.

00:48:30.740 I asked her once, why were you a socialist and not a communist?

00:48:35.600 And she said, better donuts.

00:48:39.800 All right.

00:48:41.300 So I carried the water between Mrs. Palmer and my mother.

00:48:45.740 And I literally told my mom what she had said, what Mrs. Palmer had said.

00:48:50.420 And then I would tell Mrs. Palmer what my mom had said.

00:48:53.000 And I carried the water between these two.

00:48:55.960 And she was the best teacher I ever had because she made no bones about her being a Republican.

00:49:02.620 And she taught through that filter and defended it.

00:49:09.780 And you were totally allowed to disagree.

00:49:13.920 And she wanted, that's why she did it.

00:49:17.780 Right.

00:49:17.940 And I, my respect for her cannot possibly be illuminated.

00:49:25.140 I, I, I only wish that she was still alive.

00:49:28.820 Yeah.

00:49:29.520 And.

00:49:30.380 Those teachers change you.

00:49:31.900 Yeah.

00:49:32.420 They change you.

00:49:33.560 When they, when you are presented.

00:49:35.580 With things you've never thought about.

00:49:39.220 And you're encouraged.

00:49:40.980 I, I run from anyone who says, don't read this.

00:49:45.620 Don't watch this.

00:49:46.780 Don't.

00:49:47.300 Run.

00:49:48.620 Run.

00:49:49.520 And how about this?

00:49:50.540 My mom went to a very specific high school in Brooklyn.

00:49:56.000 And she was teacher's pet.

00:50:00.380 And one day the teacher told her.

00:50:04.100 She said, Jerry.

00:50:06.960 What's your, what's your last name?

00:50:10.420 And she said, Robbins.

00:50:14.380 What was it before it was Robbins?

00:50:18.700 Rabinowitz.

00:50:19.220 And she said, you're a Jew.

00:50:26.500 And she was anti-Jewish.

00:50:29.620 But she was still teacher's pet.

00:50:33.900 She still utterly respected my mom.

00:50:37.780 But she was an anti-Semite in the 30s.

00:50:42.120 Wow.

00:50:43.280 And you know, in the 30s, that's when the State Department was anti-Semitic.

00:50:48.220 Anti-Semitic and turned those children away.

00:50:51.640 And, and you had to respect the system that allowed the eccentricities of a teacher.

00:51:01.460 As long as they didn't try to make you into them.

00:51:07.520 And they didn't.

00:51:09.160 Yeah.

00:51:09.500 I once called Mrs. Wilcox, who was a teacher of mine in the seventh and eighth grades.

00:51:15.300 And I found her in San Diego, where I now live.

00:51:19.240 And I found her, because we used to make jokes that, that San Diego was where Republican history teachers go to retire.

00:51:28.360 But I found Mrs. Wilcox.

00:51:31.660 And before she could say anything, I said, Mrs. Wilcox, you won't remember me, but I was a student in your class at Horace Mann Grammar School in Beverly Hills.

00:51:41.340 And I want you to know that everything I have come to love in my life, I learned in your class.

00:51:48.960 And she said, thank you very much and hung up.

00:51:54.660 She went, thank you very much.

00:51:56.760 Click.

00:51:57.360 Wow.

00:51:59.060 She was the same person then as she was when I was a Harris student.

00:52:03.080 Wow.

00:52:03.240 In the same way it matters how you vote, it matters how you spend your money.

00:52:09.360 Vote with your wallet.

00:52:11.520 Every chance you can, you need to buy American.

00:52:15.540 And that's really hard because some things will be like, oh, assembled in America, made in America.

00:52:19.840 But like this pen, I doubt any of it was made in America.

00:52:24.000 But maybe one part is, look, we need to start making quality products again.

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00:53:33.200 You said to me before we went on the air that I outed you.

00:53:38.380 And, and I immediately responded, I'm sorry, I didn't know, I didn't, you know, and you

00:53:48.020 said, no, that was a good thing.

00:53:49.660 That was a good thing.

00:53:54.020 In what way?

00:53:56.420 And how can we get Hollywood or other people and people on, you know, the other side as well?

00:54:08.380 To stop with the tribalism.

00:54:14.220 Stop.

00:54:15.140 Both sides.

00:54:16.220 Stop it.

00:54:18.100 And start to be a little more brave to say, yeah, that's who I am.

00:54:23.840 Yeah.

00:54:26.220 Did you get pushback when I said?

00:54:28.440 Oh, my gosh.

00:54:29.360 I'm so sorry, Richard.

00:54:30.720 I'm so sorry.

00:54:31.240 It was great because now I had a, a kind of place in my universe.

00:54:38.080 I, I, I had been a liberal.

00:54:43.040 I had been a communist when I was younger.

00:54:46.800 And if you had asked me what communism was, I could not have told you.

00:54:50.780 As, as, as I think is true now.

00:54:53.440 Yeah.

00:54:54.140 We wouldn't know how to describe it.

00:54:56.920 Um, I, I knew that I was changing and I knew that I was changing for the better, the clearer,

00:55:09.620 the above, the nicer.

00:55:12.980 I knew that I could feel it.

00:55:16.480 And I, I, I began to see the phrases that indicated that that writer was a duck, was a duck, was a loser.

00:55:25.440 And I, I found them everywhere, um, on the left and on the right.

00:55:33.180 And it was easy for me to be anti-right because my whole community was anti-right.

00:55:39.860 But I began to move, really, until I became a celebrity and I joined, um, Common Cause.

00:55:49.140 Do you remember what Common Cause was?

00:55:51.280 It was an institution that was, uh, by John Gardner, who worked for both Republicans and Democrats.

00:56:02.500 And he wanted to create an institution for those people who were neither Republican or Democrat or both.

00:56:12.660 And could criticize both.

00:56:15.500 Yes.

00:56:15.640 So I joined that when I became famous and I went to Washington and immediately said, where are the Republicans?

00:56:27.260 And no, they didn't talk about that.

00:56:31.100 And what had happened was that it had become an adjunct to the Democratic Party.

00:56:36.040 Then I joined, I also joined the Constitution Center and I spent 10 years on the Constitution Center board saying, where is the honest history instead of the safe history?

00:56:51.440 And they were really the right-wing version of Common Cause.

00:57:01.040 And they finally found a way to kick me out.

00:57:06.380 And that's true.

00:57:08.180 I mean, that's what happened.

00:57:10.600 And I realized that I had no place there either, in Washington.

00:57:17.120 There was no place for, to be what I am now.

00:57:21.920 I am pre-partisan.

00:57:24.460 I worked at CNN.

00:57:26.440 Really found no home.

00:57:27.780 I worked at Fox.

00:57:28.760 Really found no home.

00:57:32.260 Yeah.

00:57:32.860 I've said to Fox people, you need me.

00:57:36.840 You need me because it's sounding like such a repeat.

00:57:42.940 Everyone is just repeating the same.

00:57:45.680 And what bothers me for real, and this is for real, they're not news organizations.

00:57:53.600 No, I know.

00:57:54.100 If they change the name of MSNBC and Fox to opinion channels, I would have no argument.

00:58:07.180 But to call them news is to mislead the country.

00:58:12.220 It's really interesting.

00:58:13.160 Because I think when I was at Fox, I made it really clear, I'm an opinion guy.

00:58:21.200 This is my opinion.

00:58:22.180 And, you know, there were a couple of times where I said, I'm not a journalist.

00:58:29.800 Journalists need to do their work.

00:58:32.500 I'm a commentator.

00:58:34.200 But that became so white hot ratings bonanza and everything else that I think a lot of people

00:58:42.960 in the media who were just used to reading the news thought, oh, no, excuse me, there's

00:58:50.900 a huge difference between what I do and what a journalist does.

00:58:56.380 And now they've just merged into one.

00:58:59.280 And there is no there's I don't think there's such a thing as a journalist.

00:59:03.140 I said to Megyn Kelly that when I watched the 2016 and 2020 presidential debates, I was watching

00:59:12.660 vaudeville.

00:59:14.580 I was not watching a debate that had anything to do with the presidency.

00:59:19.460 So much so that I expected in 2016 that the next one in 2020, they would be wearing red

00:59:28.460 noses and funny floppy feet.

00:59:31.160 And and and she basically agreed.

00:59:35.720 Yeah.

00:59:36.700 And it's not reality.

00:59:38.800 It's a game.

00:59:39.540 We are watching.

00:59:40.160 I've never felt in almost everything.

00:59:44.420 I've never felt all the world is but a stage as much as right now.

00:59:49.540 It feels like we are.

00:59:51.860 Everything is just a play.

00:59:54.040 That's not what's really going on.

00:59:55.960 What's really going on is behind the set.

00:59:59.440 We're being delivered this and arguing about this.

01:00:02.620 And that's not it.

01:00:03.860 But it's this stuff that we know is happening.

01:00:07.780 It's happening back here.

01:00:09.380 And nobody wants to recognize it.

01:00:11.900 How about the fact that we have not waged a legal war since Korea?

01:00:21.480 And I'm giving it to Korea because it was that phone call overnight that forced him into

01:00:27.220 action.

01:00:27.600 But, you know, the Congress has been completely left out of its power and they gave it away.

01:00:36.840 Yeah.

01:00:37.240 Well, gave it away.

01:00:38.400 Lyndon Johnson took it.

01:00:39.980 And that was the end.

01:00:41.560 Yeah.

01:00:42.000 And I'm sorry.

01:00:44.620 I I'm a constitutionalist.

01:00:46.980 Yeah.

01:00:47.340 And that means if you're going to go and give away your most precious resource, your children,

01:00:54.300 children, you've got to convince people who are against this war.

01:01:00.980 Yes.

01:01:01.860 And that doesn't mean, in my opinion, it doesn't mean that the president, because of the way

01:01:06.420 things are today, we could be dead in 12 minutes.

01:01:09.140 It doesn't mean the president doesn't have some leeway to take some action until Congress

01:01:14.820 can get their crap together.

01:01:16.360 But after 30 days, dude, you don't have that.

01:01:20.540 We're not we're not there.

01:01:21.880 Right.

01:01:22.120 Pull them back.

01:01:22.780 Right.

01:01:22.900 And when Bill Fulbright had had floor walked the the War War Powers Act from Johnson through

01:01:32.480 the Senate, because he had been told to do that and he had been told it was true when

01:01:38.680 he walked that through.

01:01:41.220 That's when he realized there had never been a Gulf of Tonkin incident, which he was basing

01:01:49.100 all of it on.

01:01:50.300 And he went to war against Johnson.

01:01:54.200 And that's why the war was papered over with investigation and committees and committees and committees

01:02:03.820 until the president of the United States and the defense secretary were hidden in the Oval

01:02:12.620 Office at two o'clock in the morning designing airstrikes.

01:02:16.820 They were so hugely fought and I felt so sorry for Lyndon Johnson because I knew Lyndon Johnson

01:02:29.960 wanted to compete with only one man and that was FDR because he to him FDR was the be all

01:02:38.540 and end all.

01:02:39.340 So he tried to wage a war and fight the war on poverty.

01:02:46.220 And sorry, Lyndon, there's not enough money in the printing press to do that.

01:02:53.680 And when he said that afternoon, I have been your president for the last five years, I burst

01:03:02.620 into tears and I had been fighting him in every Century City, Century Plaza Hotel, all

01:03:10.020 of the things that we did to stay out of that war.

01:03:15.960 And and I heard Eisenhower's speech.

01:03:19.900 I did not hear it then.

01:03:21.460 I heard it many.

01:03:22.520 The military industrial complex.

01:03:23.720 That is, if we would just read that speech, we misinterpreted military industrial complex.

01:03:31.400 It is and it goes into the education complex and the scientific community and that complex.

01:03:38.400 That is the merger between big money, big tech, big science, big war, whatever, all of that working

01:03:50.640 with the government and providing the answers that I don't think you can name an institution

01:03:57.680 in America that has not been thoroughly corrupted.

01:04:01.660 I don't think so either.

01:04:02.660 Education.

01:04:03.640 Yeah.

01:04:03.880 The courts, the media, these are all these are all now victims of money, of profit.

01:04:14.320 And when I and and greed and power, I mean, individuals who just want to do the money.

01:04:20.520 Yeah.

01:04:20.620 Yeah.

01:04:21.080 And so I live in San Diego.

01:04:23.660 Sorry.

01:04:25.140 And in San Diego, it's it's a doctor's town.

01:04:28.480 I mean, yikes.

01:04:29.600 There are more doctors in San Diego.

01:04:31.280 San Diego and someone was sick in my family and we went to a doctor and I noticed his business

01:04:39.540 card and it said on his card, concierge medicine.

01:04:46.100 And I said to the doctor, do you know what this says?

01:04:50.520 He says, what?

01:04:52.000 I said, it's been a plank of the Republican Party for 85 years.

01:04:57.580 That's all it is.

01:04:59.160 And what they did to achieve it, because it's on the card, pay more, get better service.

01:05:07.180 Now, that means that they took the obligations of a doctor, which are known to everyone, 24 hour

01:05:19.340 availability, hitching up bests and going in the middle of the night, all the things, and

01:05:28.060 drew a line and said, the rich get all of this that's on top and the poor get all of

01:05:37.060 this, which is not.

01:05:40.320 And I watched them mistreat my own mother-in-law who spoke no English when she tried to use the

01:05:51.960 bathroom in the doctor's private office, and a nurse in the office literally held her out

01:06:00.660 of the bathroom until my wife, and you don't screw around with my wife.

01:06:07.660 I know, I know.

01:06:08.940 Okay.

01:06:09.400 I know.

01:06:09.840 She, she eviscerated that nurse, and more power to her.

01:06:20.800 We have forgotten the politeness.

01:06:25.260 Yeah.

01:06:25.720 We, this is hard to say, but when hotel people get my wife and I in a hotel, they will be rude.

01:06:38.220 The normal thing is to be rude until they find out that the guy is a movie star, and then

01:06:45.040 they become obsequious.

01:06:47.740 And what you learn in school called civics is, among other things, civility, which cannot

01:06:59.820 be learned in any other way.

01:07:03.680 It's not handed down through the bloodline.

01:07:06.800 It is not just politeness.

01:07:10.700 It is the oxygen that Republican democracies require, or else they'll die.

01:07:18.220 And that's more than politeness.

01:07:21.560 And when you realize, we have now been raised without charm school, or civics, or civility,

01:07:30.560 for 50 years.

01:07:33.780 And that means that every person who works in a doctor's office, or in retail, or anywhere

01:07:40.300 else, has the right to mistreat you.

01:07:44.600 I remember, I remember, I'm old now.

01:07:48.940 I'm an old Jew.

01:07:50.980 And I remember what it was like when you dealt with Macy's.

01:08:00.740 They would say, we don't have it, but if you go down the block, you'll get it at that store.

01:08:11.240 They're not allowed to say that anymore.

01:08:14.540 They don't say that anymore.

01:08:16.640 If they don't have it, it doesn't exist.

01:08:19.740 It doesn't exist.

01:08:22.260 And how about, let's give immigrants who've just arrived within the last 80 hours a cab to

01:08:34.140 ride, to run.

01:08:36.340 He doesn't know what Madison Avenue is, much less where Central Park is.

01:08:40.880 And that's just nonsense.

01:08:45.380 That's crippling the country.

01:08:48.360 I have lived, since my graduation from high school, in a spiral of decay.

01:08:54.860 I have only known politics to become worse, and live off distraction and denial.

01:09:04.920 When first there was Willie Horton, then there was the flag amendment.

01:09:10.880 And each presidential election was decided on hot air.

01:09:20.480 That's since I graduated.

01:09:23.740 And no attempt has been made in any other way to teach civility and to teach kindness.

01:09:33.820 And I would say it's gasoline on the fire of social media.

01:09:38.860 Oh, yeah.

01:09:39.900 Yeah.

01:09:40.140 Yeah.

01:09:40.880 Because there's no payoff in teaching what the churches used to teach, and now are a joke.

01:09:49.020 All of them.

01:09:51.640 You said it earlier.

01:09:53.160 Every institution has either been corrupted or betrayed its position.

01:09:58.180 Yeah.

01:09:59.260 Final segment with Richard Drivis here in just a second.

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01:11:31.100 We are so over time.

01:11:32.780 Can I just tell you one thing?

01:11:36.380 There are only two performances that have ever stuck with me.

01:11:41.440 Um, that I actually wanted to watch the Oscars because it mattered to me.

01:11:51.120 And your performance in the Goodbye Girl, when you are drunk and you, I can play this role

01:12:02.880 and you start reciting Richard III, thank you for that.

01:12:10.000 It was one of the greatest performances.

01:12:13.500 Thank you.

01:12:14.520 Thank you.

01:12:17.040 I have to tell you that I'm an actor.

01:12:21.860 I'm walking up Broadway and a Serbian grandmother walks up to me and says,

01:12:29.040 Thank you.

01:12:33.760 That's the best thing I could possibly get.

01:12:37.860 And that means I was successful.

01:12:41.260 And I could talk for years and years about the nobility of acting.

01:12:50.840 And I'm not kidding.

01:12:54.140 That's why it bothered me so much that someone invented this feud thing about me and Robert Shaw

01:13:01.800 because I had so much respect for him.

01:13:07.740 And then I was on an Irish talk show not that long ago.

01:13:14.440 And I was introduced to his granddaughter.

01:13:17.440 And I lost it.

01:13:20.540 I burst into tears.

01:13:22.140 And then I told her she had never met him.

01:13:26.420 I told her story after story after story.

01:13:29.920 And then we were on the show.

01:13:32.640 Then the show was on.

01:13:34.180 And the host said,

01:13:38.600 I saw you crying backstage because you were talking to Robert Shaw's granddaughter.

01:13:44.920 What was that all about?

01:13:46.120 And I burst into tears again.

01:13:49.680 And I couldn't explain that he was a grand personality.

01:14:01.860 He was a great artist.

01:14:05.600 He was a writer and an actor.

01:14:10.040 And he deserved my devotion.

01:14:16.120 And one day he said,

01:14:19.140 I know,

01:14:20.660 I'll play,

01:14:21.660 I'll play Claudius to your Hamlet if you play the fool to my Lear.

01:14:29.360 And I said,

01:14:30.640 you got it,

01:14:32.180 but not for 10 years.

01:14:34.540 And he said,

01:14:35.300 why?

01:14:36.820 I said,

01:14:37.680 because you'll burn me off the stage.

01:14:40.000 That's why.

01:14:41.380 And that's what we were planning.

01:14:43.180 Well,

01:14:48.440 why does,

01:14:49.900 when I said that to you,

01:14:52.180 what is it?

01:14:54.360 Because I,

01:14:54.800 I understand the Shaw story,

01:14:56.580 but when I said that about the goodbye girl,

01:15:01.480 why does that impact you?

01:15:05.400 And I'm,

01:15:05.680 I'm asking for a selfish reason.

01:15:07.320 Cause I'm,

01:15:08.140 I'm 60 now.

01:15:09.200 I'm getting to the age where you kind of,

01:15:11.840 you know,

01:15:12.260 you look back at everything.

01:15:13.200 You're like,

01:15:13.500 what was really worth?

01:15:14.720 So I'm wondering what,

01:15:17.200 what was that?

01:15:20.440 The honest truth is,

01:15:23.600 I bet money against myself.

01:15:28.860 When people said I would be nominated for a film called the apprenticeship of Judy Kravitz.

01:15:35.400 And I knew I wouldn't be,

01:15:38.080 and I made money.

01:15:40.000 And then I was told I was nominated for the goodbye girl.

01:15:44.920 And I asked who else is nominated.

01:15:48.820 And when they said Richard Burton,

01:15:51.100 Marcello Mastriani,

01:15:52.800 who ever,

01:16:01.580 whoever,

01:16:02.240 yeah,

01:16:03.760 Woody Allen.

01:16:04.740 And I said,

01:16:06.400 I'm going to win.

01:16:08.360 Because I knew what their stories were and where they're,

01:16:12.580 they were perceived in the,

01:16:15.020 by the Academy.

01:16:16.300 And I won a fortune.

01:16:18.340 And the next year I won a lot of money,

01:16:21.520 really because I asked who won best actor last year.

01:16:27.240 And I was the answer.

01:16:29.840 No one got it.

01:16:32.500 That's what the Oscars are.

01:16:34.620 They're a fun night.

01:16:37.500 And that's all.

01:16:39.320 Yeah.

01:16:39.600 But the Oscar is,

01:16:40.900 it wasn't.

01:16:43.160 That's why I said there's only two performances.

01:16:45.360 One was Peter O'Toole in my favorite year speech he gave at the very end.

01:16:50.380 That is.

01:16:51.960 I just love it.

01:16:53.760 And it,

01:16:54.300 he,

01:16:54.740 it just comes alive.

01:16:56.480 I'm going to kill you right now.

01:16:57.740 Why?

01:16:58.600 Because when my series,

01:17:00.760 which was the education of Max Bickford,

01:17:03.420 the story of a professor,

01:17:05.660 and it was an adult story.

01:17:08.320 Every week was an adult story.

01:17:10.420 CVS called on the day and said,

01:17:14.600 we're not picking you up.

01:17:16.480 And I laughed.

01:17:17.340 I joked.

01:17:18.260 Because I thought they were kidding.

01:17:20.260 And then they made themselves clear.

01:17:22.800 And I said,

01:17:23.960 Peter O'Toole wants to play second fiddle

01:17:29.560 on every episode of the second year.

01:17:33.180 Wow.

01:17:33.460 And they said,

01:17:34.440 fuck Peter O'Toole.

01:17:36.020 Oh my gosh.

01:17:36.840 And I went nuts.

01:17:40.320 You know what it means to have Peter O'Toole.

01:17:45.660 I know what that means.

01:17:49.540 And they said,

01:17:51.100 Peter O'Toole.

01:17:52.840 And I just went nuts.

01:17:54.480 And I'm happy that the guy who made that decision

01:17:59.440 is out of CBS

01:18:01.520 because he's a sexual maniac.

01:18:05.360 I'm going to leave,

01:18:06.300 I'm going to let you say that

01:18:07.500 and I'll comment on that

01:18:08.600 because I don't know.

01:18:09.280 No names,

01:18:09.480 just say it.

01:18:10.600 Hello.

01:18:12.080 One last question.

01:18:17.460 I've done everything I can,

01:18:19.700 you know,

01:18:21.720 hoping and praying

01:18:23.180 and doing everything I can

01:18:25.560 that my daughter

01:18:26.520 just did not have the talent to act.

01:18:31.740 Unfortunately, she does.

01:18:34.120 But I do not,

01:18:35.500 I don't want her going there.

01:18:36.960 But I also,

01:18:37.660 my folks supported me in this

01:18:39.040 and there was no chance of this working.

01:18:42.580 What is the most important thing you've learned

01:18:45.780 that you wish you knew

01:18:48.060 at the beginning of your career?

01:18:53.060 I don't think anything could have been told to me

01:18:56.520 that would have persuaded me away from it.

01:19:00.620 No, I'm not saying persuade away.

01:19:02.400 I'm saying if she goes in,

01:19:05.800 which she plans on doing,

01:19:07.880 what is the advice that you would give

01:19:11.200 to anybody going in

01:19:13.260 that you wish you would have had?

01:19:15.180 If you want to be an actor in America,

01:19:18.640 you can fulfill that

01:19:20.400 up to the glagoons

01:19:22.280 in almost any city in America

01:19:26.400 because they have local

01:19:28.980 and they have regional

01:19:30.640 and they have Shakespeare.

01:19:32.200 But if you want to be a movie star,

01:19:35.020 then you have to go to L.A. or New York.

01:19:38.940 And those are rough,

01:19:42.600 rough towns.

01:19:43.720 And we don't live in L.A.

01:19:47.400 because in 204,

01:19:51.220 I retired

01:19:53.080 and went to Oxford for four years

01:19:57.500 to learn this subject of...

01:20:02.940 Civility.

01:20:04.620 Civility and civics

01:20:06.040 and the damage being done to my country.

01:20:08.960 And I gave up something I loved

01:20:15.180 and had loved since I was nine years old

01:20:18.340 only for something else I loved as much,

01:20:22.860 which was saving my country.

01:20:25.820 And I firmly believe

01:20:27.220 that if we don't revive the study of civics,

01:20:30.780 we will be dead before 2050.

01:20:33.920 We'll have the same name...

01:20:35.600 Long before.

01:20:36.140 And it'll be a nightmare.

01:20:40.460 So...

01:20:42.100 I had led

01:20:45.040 a blessed life.

01:20:48.660 And I gave it up

01:20:50.300 for a blessed life.

01:20:52.640 And I think...

01:20:55.920 I think that this book

01:20:58.100 is not perfect.

01:21:01.280 But boy, is it Richard.

01:21:04.560 And it infuriates me

01:21:07.980 that people don't

01:21:10.540 understand

01:21:12.480 what this place means.

01:21:15.540 what an advance

01:21:17.100 on human progress

01:21:18.460 this country

01:21:19.960 is all about.

01:21:21.720 And how quickly

01:21:23.160 we can

01:21:24.220 abandon it

01:21:25.500 without...

01:21:27.860 without a second thought.

01:21:30.700 I once said

01:21:31.920 that you...

01:21:33.280 we hold this pearl

01:21:34.760 in our hands

01:21:35.880 and then we think,

01:21:38.380 eh,

01:21:39.040 who cares?

01:21:39.760 And we toss it away

01:21:40.780 and it lands

01:21:42.300 at the top of the stairs

01:21:44.180 and we trip over it

01:21:45.940 and we fall down

01:21:47.300 through this

01:21:48.600 state

01:21:49.560 of constant

01:21:50.700 decay

01:21:51.360 until we reach

01:21:53.620 Donald Trump

01:21:55.040 and...

01:21:56.780 and the...

01:21:58.740 the cheapening

01:22:00.120 of every

01:22:01.560 great

01:22:02.340 thought

01:22:03.380 and every

01:22:04.760 great move

01:22:06.260 that we

01:22:07.740 gave to humanity.

01:22:09.200 and it just

01:22:11.780 kills me.

01:22:13.980 It's beyond

01:22:14.760 my ability

01:22:15.680 to comprehend

01:22:17.760 why

01:22:19.600 people

01:22:21.560 who are

01:22:22.200 in a position

01:22:23.400 to burnish

01:22:26.140 our reputation

01:22:27.700 make it filth,

01:22:32.240 choose

01:22:32.920 to make it filth.

01:22:34.320 I just don't

01:22:35.000 get it.

01:22:37.660 May I say

01:22:38.800 I don't

01:22:41.220 know

01:22:41.840 of

01:22:42.600 somebody

01:22:44.020 that

01:22:45.560 is as

01:22:46.580 accomplished

01:22:47.240 as you

01:22:48.340 who is

01:22:51.160 as different

01:22:51.960 as you

01:22:53.300 that I've

01:22:56.320 I...

01:22:57.740 I walk

01:22:58.760 away

01:22:59.160 with

01:22:59.580 profound

01:23:01.220 respect.

01:23:02.360 You are

01:23:02.980 a remarkable

01:23:04.720 remarkable

01:23:05.720 man.

01:23:06.180 thank you

01:23:07.780 for loving

01:23:08.240 your country

01:23:08.760 so much.

01:23:09.920 Thank you.

01:23:16.020 Just a reminder

01:23:17.040 I'd love you

01:23:18.460 to rate

01:23:18.960 and subscribe

01:23:19.520 to the podcast

01:23:20.420 and pass this

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01:23:21.740 so it can be

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The Glenn Beck Program - January 14, 2023

Ep 170 ｜ Why Oscar Winner Richard Dreyfuss Is Grateful Glenn 'Outed' Him ｜ Richard Dreyfuss ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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