The Glenn Beck Program - Ep 173 ｜ America Is More Divided Than Ever. That's GOOD! ｜ Michael Malice ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

00:00:00.000 internet slang has a habit of becoming political a great example is red pill as in my buddy watched

00:00:06.960 ron paul's compilation on youtube and now he's red pelt it's a reference to the matrix you know

00:00:13.300 the scene morpheus offers neo a blue pill and a red pill pick one if neo you know picks the blue

00:00:18.160 pill he goes back into the fake world never finds the truth but if he takes the red pill he jumps

00:00:23.220 into reality and he sees how far the rabbit hole actually goes the red pill is the tougher option

00:00:31.020 but it's the one that leads to freedom perfect metaphor for what many of us go through politically

00:00:36.300 be easier to believe the media and hollywood and academia and the world economic forum and just go

00:00:42.740 along it'd be a lot easier if you were on that side of things but if you want true freedom and truth

00:00:49.940 you got to take the red pill which means rejecting the bogus narratives that you're force-fed by the

00:00:55.280 elites and that may even violate the things that you believe and you'd be like oh crap now i really i

00:01:01.660 got to change that too it means we're all capable of independent thought and willing to be provocative

00:01:08.900 to step out of line well here's where it gets tricky once you take the red pill there are two

00:01:15.120 directions you can go from there you can take the black pill or the white pill the black pill is

00:01:22.180 bitterness it means the world is ruined there's no point in saving it you know everything is just

00:01:27.840 miserable it's nihilism hopelessness destruction and doom and quite honestly a lot of people have taken

00:01:34.640 the black pill some would include anarchy on that list but today's guest is an anarchist don't worry

00:01:42.520 he's not the antifa kind um he's the keep the state away from my freedom and my business capitalism

00:01:50.980 kind he also has a very very dark sense of humor and a habit of saying and doing unexpected things

00:01:56.800 so it makes sense that he would be a black pill guy but he's not he chose the white pill he chooses hope

00:02:05.240 he hates cynicism and over the last few years he's seen more and more of people taking the black pill

00:02:11.340 and he credits his efforts and we're going to talk about today actually from an experience that he

00:02:17.160 had here at the blaze um he felt there were people that he met that had taken the black pill the white

00:02:25.620 pill is his book a tale of good and evil it documents the rise and the fall of the soviet union with the

00:02:32.860 heroes and villains that made it happen he told me he was inspired it inspired to write it because of his

00:02:39.780 visit here and he needed to make sure everybody could have the white pill it is a fascinating book 0.87

00:02:46.760 available uh online but also audio please welcome its author and my friend michael malice

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00:04:07.840 so michael uh i don't read books about pills okay and uh and then these three are these four hot

00:04:28.980 babes i mean sure margaret thatcher she's quite a babe uh but so what's your fmk with them my fmk

00:04:38.460 i don't know what that is i'm too old oh i can't really say it out loud it's it's do you know what

00:04:43.280 that do you not know what that that's a game you play you give people three choices and you do fmk

00:04:47.320 no fmk mary kill yeah okay all right yeah okay uh mary

00:04:55.800 well not really maybe margaret thatcher maybe margaret thatcher anyway um explain for people

00:05:04.240 who don't know what a white pill is there's the red pill which is wake up from matrix right yes blue

00:05:10.020 pill go back to sleep and you'll forget all of this the black pill is oh my god we're all doomed

00:05:17.180 yes the white pill is the white pill is hope now there's way too much black pill at this network

00:05:24.140 and in conservatism in general well i i mean i'm serious because this book was partly inspired by the

00:05:32.080 blaze i was here last time i was on your podcast and when i first started writing this book it was very

00:05:38.060 different because it was about the thought of albert camus who's a philosopher who's an enormous

00:05:42.460 influence on me and i was going off to see stew and i think he was in the middle of stabbing someone

00:05:47.400 or something as he's wont to do i don't remember at the time blood everywhere everywhere and they were

00:05:53.660 going on about how you know biden's a communist or something like that and i was thinking myself

00:05:57.420 do you guys know and america's going to hell in handbasket which i don't disagree with per se

00:06:03.720 but what i had an issue with was this idea of do you guys know how bad it can get right before like

00:06:10.900 when you say it's a wrap and then i thought to myself you know i don't know how bad things can

00:06:15.900 get like how bad can societies get well just let me just make one more point and the other issue i had

00:06:21.540 is and i remember thinking this very specifically in this studio the cold war was the primary

00:06:29.380 foreign policy issue for decades in this country for decades it like literally not i don't even

00:06:34.540 know a number two the middle is probably number two but everything was filtered through the view

00:06:38.020 of america versus the soviet union every president presidential race senate races this was the big

00:06:43.340 and in my childhood it was known as evil versus good yeah it wasn't ambiguous and this was one in

00:06:50.380 part due to the actions of president reagan and prime minister margaret thatcher and the pope and the

00:06:55.720 pope who's in who's features in that book in my book that book my book and conservatives don't talk

00:07:02.460 about it and i'm sitting there i'm thinking like we talk about the civil war we talk about world war ii

00:07:08.540 this was in our lifetime you can't expect the new york times to tell the story why aren't you guys

00:07:14.300 telling the story every five minutes and then one day a couple months later i'm like hey jackass that's 0.75

00:07:20.400 how i refer myself you tell stories why don't you tell that story so that was part of the story

00:07:25.460 this was my message to conservatives about like guys this was your big accomplishment so take your

00:07:31.700 bows so here's the thing that i i think because i i saw your interview with uh dave rubin and you said

00:07:37.520 you know conservatives don't get it and blah blah and i think there's a i'd like to get your perspective

00:07:42.080 on this because i think there's a couple of things um first of all um the left has whitewashed

00:07:49.660 communism like crazy like crazy we know everything about hitler and what he did in the ovens and all

00:07:57.480 of it but nobody's really on the left nobody's ever really taken and looked a deep dive like your book

00:08:06.260 does deep dive into communism i have the black book of communism right okay that you want to know what

00:08:13.220 communism read that one okay read yours okay most people when you say well he's a nazi somebody will

00:08:20.360 say no he's not i know i know i know i know we're not there but this is the kind of philosophy when they

00:08:27.960 say you're a communist i don't think nobody ever says well he's not really a communist because

00:08:36.540 communism is in this book and the black book of communism but it's where it starts it's where it

00:08:43.480 starts and i have felt um i know the white pill in your book i know i know the sentiment and

00:08:56.500 and i know it's true here's the thing that i think concerns a lot of people at least me

00:09:04.540 i'm a jew in 1939 and you come to me and say by 1947 israel's re-established okay israel is back

00:09:18.840 and i look at you and go okay that's good but how do i get from 1939 sure to even 1945

00:09:28.180 you know what i mean and and your book really talks about this this was a long struggle because

00:09:37.100 they dismantled it all the way down to the children oh yeah you know and really did unspeakable things

00:09:45.400 to children so i want to get to the white pill but keep in mind as you're telling these stories

00:09:52.360 i'm trying to find the white pill that doesn't take a generation okay well here it is you're not

00:10:01.520 a jew in 1939 germany you're in america and you i get your analogy but the point being that there's a

00:10:09.880 such a profound difference you're not even a canadian i mean i'm quite serious though if you want to

00:10:16.560 compare like as a starting point even living in canada in 2023 isn't analogous to being a jewish

00:10:24.760 person in 1939 so right okay let me say i i think we are in the 30s i don't think we're at 1939

00:10:33.260 okay they're always building gas chambers nobody's seriously talking about exterminating and there's no

00:10:39.360 there's no uh serious force out there for that but we are on the road to either the darkest stuff of

00:10:47.700 communism the darkest stuff of fascism when when you have people saying the model is china and you have

00:10:56.020 ai being introduced and they've already perfected that's the dream of stalin and and uh and hitler 0.96

00:11:03.780 when you have those directions i'm looking at how do we stop from going there you're not saying that

00:11:12.620 we're just never going to go there i don't think we're ever going to go there as americans i i do

00:11:17.500 not think we're ever going to end because we're going to do something yeah hold on just a couple

00:11:21.100 things first of all i do not at all at think i agree with ronald reagan who i quote in this book

00:11:27.220 in 1964 when he gave his speech endorsing uh senator goldwater for the presidency and point of choosing

00:11:32.780 huge landslide and he said if we lose freedom here there's nowhere else to go correct this is

00:11:38.640 the last stand on earth and that's one of the chapter names is the last stand so i am not at

00:11:43.020 all saying that uh if if we lose freedom here well we can go to canada that's i'm not saying that at

00:11:49.440 all yeah my point being something that why we're not in the 1930s is there's a gif online which shows

00:11:56.100 state by state gun rights and it went from various states in the 80s not that long ago

00:12:02.380 uh met including the south where you weren't allowed to get a gun and now constitutional carry

00:12:07.560 is the law in i think a majority of the states so that is one enormous major difference agree that

00:12:14.340 will stop us from becoming nazi germany or communist chart china here's another big difference and this

00:12:20.620 is something i think maybe you and i disagree with america is more divided than ever that's good

00:12:26.300 you can't have a dictatorship unless everyone's united in fact having cultural homogeneity and

00:12:33.220 having everyone thinking with one thought is the goal of every totalitarian dictator as i know very

00:12:39.580 well hold on with my work on north korea and the fact that school choice is state by state now

00:12:46.400 becoming the law of the land signs these are but it's not just a sign how do you persuade a population

00:12:55.160 to all have one worldview when they're learning different things in different schools this is

00:13:00.720 why there's such a panic about not about having school choice because if you're not controlling all

00:13:06.640 the different minds in a generation the jig is up correct so i i but the other thing i would disagree

00:13:13.040 with you about is we've been on this path toward dictatorship since 1912 and it happened in

00:13:21.020 the 30s fdr was effectively a dictator he was setting prices he was saying whether you can fire people

00:13:28.660 uh he was putting people in internment camps right so and we survived that and in fact it's almost

00:13:34.860 some of his atrocities are almost like a historical asterisk so i think that perspective i'm not at all

00:13:41.020 at all i mean the first two-thirds of this book is about how evil things can get so i'm not saying

00:13:48.800 people are basically nice i'm not saying that the people in power don't want the worst things

00:13:53.860 imaginable the point being they don't always get what they want so i agree with you i want to know

00:14:02.720 from you what makes what is the difference between you in uh today as opposed to somebody in 1933

00:14:16.440 that was saying it's one third of the people they're losing they're losing power they're

00:14:22.960 actually losing seats they're never i mean evil has a way of you know working around and it wasn't

00:14:33.720 until wait do you mean 1933 america or 1933 germany germany okay it they didn't have the heart and mind

00:14:40.040 of people until 33 34 then he starts chugging you know what i mean sure and and then by 1939 it's

00:14:48.520 it's it's gone right but you're not saying that there's no reason to sit up and pay attention

00:14:57.760 because these things just couldn't never happen what i'm saying is hitler wasn't a god right these

00:15:06.560 people who are malevolent who are again the subject of the book the people who built the

00:15:11.300 soviet union they were not all-knowing they were all powerful in a certain context but what they

00:15:16.720 pulled off in the 30s in my view they couldn't pull off today for several reasons the first reason

00:15:22.880 in my view is how easy it is to share information if i am building a country based on complete lies

00:15:31.180 in fact north korea which is my bailiwick there's there's a song they sing that says the whole world

00:15:36.680 envies us and they're of the belief that people in other countries are living in total crime ridden

00:15:43.420 lands and they're all starving and it's a disaster and as soon as they leave it's like wait a minute i've

00:15:48.300 been lied to you can do that in a small physical nation where you have complete control over all methods

00:15:55.340 of communication but even that has now changed because thanks to things like dvds and word of

00:16:02.200 mouth with people smuggling from china the north koreans understand that they're not doing so hot

00:16:06.980 and they've had to change the propaganda accordingly and now they say okay we're poor but we're maintaining

00:16:12.360 our racial humanity and racial purity right but that is an exam and north korea is of course the

00:16:19.080 extreme the point is there are so many lies that have been put forward by the corporate press

00:16:26.000 and government officials in this country over the decades but we can freely sit and discuss them and

00:16:32.180 in fact even right now on twitter someone puts out one of their crap and immediately under it they will

00:16:39.420 have a label that says this is misinformation this is taking things out of context so the fact that i know

00:16:46.900 that there's freedom of speech is in certain contexts under attack in this country but the fact that

00:16:52.460 there's an increasing number of americans who understand that news organizations are corporations

00:16:59.980 with an agenda and that agenda is often malevolent that is having that skepticism towards those who

00:17:06.060 would command public opinion yes is in of itself an enormous um preventative toward the worst things

00:17:13.900 possible happening if we had the press that we had even in the 1960s and the and it was all centered

00:17:21.120 with a group of people right we wouldn't have this chance i've been shocked at uh esg and how the world

00:17:30.240 economic forum has really had to respond you know i write a book nobody really knows what it is

00:17:38.500 russell brand gets on he's talking about it yep and all of a sudden it's a movement and it moved the

00:17:46.260 titans the banks and everybody no i'm not saying that it's it's a one fight but it does make your point

00:17:54.640 that if you if you wake up to the situation and you move together you can change everything and and

00:18:03.940 the other point i made on ruben is this country was founded by a group of white trash who had no shoes 1.00

00:18:09.740 who constantly had to retreat under general washington against the greatest empire on earth

00:18:15.000 where everyone's dressed in red coats in their finery and they were picking them off one at a time

00:18:19.520 and we won yeah so americans heritage is victory over impossible odds and i have to tell you one of the

00:18:26.880 other points of the book is i i i find it unconscionable that people would look at the

00:18:32.880 biden administration and the people behind biden of course and think well it's a wrap there's no way

00:18:38.400 we can beat these people kamala harris is an unstoppable foe to you that's psychotic to me 1.00

00:18:42.680 all right so let's go into the history of the soviet can i just say one more thing to build your point

00:18:51.880 one of the things i talk about a lot in this book is how malevolent the reporters have been

00:18:57.000 for a century there is this complete uh lie we are told in high school which is there was yellow 0.79

00:19:05.360 journalism william randolph hearst they got it since the spanish-american war record scratch then the

00:19:11.320 journalists are objective and good and now they can be trusted that it was a continuous line from

00:19:17.200 william randolph hearst till today and one of the things i talk about in the book is how in the 1930s

00:19:21.540 as stalin was starving the ukrainians millions of people were starved in extremely cruel ways

00:19:27.480 they came to people's houses and they came back at night because if you are you weren't showing

00:19:33.180 hunger on your face your body would betray you they knew you were hoarding food and they would

00:19:37.860 ransack you ransack your house and they put you on the street naked because now because you had food

00:19:42.820 you're a rich person you're a kulak and this was a near genocide and then oh i think it it was 0.96

00:19:49.680 attempted genocide well it's successful the new york times covered it and said there is no famine 0.93

00:19:55.500 nor is there likely to be walter duranti got a pulitzer not for this but for his reporting with

00:19:59.680 stalin so and they also obscure the holocaust there's a whole book about that called buried by

00:20:04.040 the times this is i i mean conservatives really have this this drives me crazy and i'm not saying you

00:20:09.520 but this idea that like when i was a kid reporters were honest no when you were a kid you were naive yes

00:20:15.640 and you know and you didn't have access to the information right i mean matt drudge changed a lot

00:20:22.340 of that that blue dress that would have been we would have still thought today that was a smear against 0.92

00:20:28.480 him and it would have been conspiracy it was the access to go outside of journalism and say no look

00:20:37.600 here's this we've changed those journalists good intentioned ill intentioned a lot of it ill

00:20:47.080 intentioned it was a club and nobody could break that club you couldn't have used to have to

00:20:53.140 mimeograph things and you see people come out and they're like you want to know the truth

00:20:58.460 and you're not taking it from them you and i are old enough to remember that before drudge broke the

00:21:05.200 monica lewinski story the narrative which was universal across corporate media was that this

00:21:10.820 21 year old girl was stalking the president that was the word they used that she's a crazy stalker 1.00

00:21:16.580 how someone can stalk a president who's 21 who has secrets but you laugh no i know i know smart

00:21:23.480 respectable people said this with a straight face and we're supposed to feel bad for bill clinton the

00:21:28.740 victim yes because he had this kid who was stalking him and she's a crazy person and but for that dress 0.70

00:21:35.000 that would have been the narrative to today and you're right they did obscure it and drudge is

00:21:39.720 the one who broke it and drudge was just one now everyone with a social media account can be that

00:21:45.300 look at what the fbi has done with hunter biden yes i mean and all of the stuff about china it event the

00:21:53.880 truth this is a white pill the truth eventually comes out the truth and right or light will always win

00:22:04.440 always in the end is just the time horizon but the time horizon i think now thanks to technology is

00:22:11.240 much faster that's good so because for example when you were and i were kids our lifetime if there

00:22:17.600 was some obscure book that we wanted good luck finding it right you have to check used bookstores

00:22:22.500 you know you have to find for catalogs now if you go to archive.org every book that was published before

00:22:28.420 i think 1940 is there for free at the speed of light at your your your desktop so you could find

00:22:34.220 any kind of information so even that just in terms of technically being able to find information

00:22:39.440 that's been taken away one of the things i i learned when i was writing this book is boris yeltsin who

00:22:44.820 became uh head of uh russia after the soviet union fell apart he's high up you know he was a big shot in

00:22:51.000 the ussr he came here to houston to visit nasa and while he was there he went on a trip to just let

00:22:58.800 me check out a supermarket and i'm sure you probably remember this story maybe they could throw up a

00:23:02.240 photo and he's walking around the supermarket and it's not like this is a supermarket for earls and

00:23:07.500 dukes you know with monocles it's just like school teachers and guys it was uh i think it was a it's a 0.77

00:23:14.340 ralph's now okay and he's looking around and he's like i've never seen like onions this big and on his

00:23:21.340 way back to russia he stopped he had a layover he was going to miami first he's on the plane and his

00:23:26.740 head is in his hands and he says they had to lie to us because if people knew how much food there was

00:23:34.740 over there they wouldn't put up with it but that realization that it's not that people are misinformed

00:23:41.360 or it's a spin or it's a bias that there is systemic deceit is something that yeltsin saw for

00:23:48.140 himself in the 90s but now i think increasing numbers of people understand it completely that

00:23:54.300 all corporate media is peddled by a narrative and an agenda and my quote that i always say is

00:24:00.400 the battle is won when the average american regards a corporate journalist exactly as they regard a

00:24:05.860 tobacco executive they are selling a product they have a job to do and a lot of people are very smart

00:24:11.060 and well-dressed but they're still providing poison see i was very disappointed when michael told me

00:24:18.860 that his book the white pill was not about pharmaceuticals i i that's what that's the american

00:24:26.080 society of health care pharmacists um is a group that tracks the production of medications around the

00:24:33.380 world and they have declared that there is a shortage of antibiotics specifically one you've probably never

00:24:39.920 heard of amoxicillin kind of an important uh kind of an important drug really um you know all kinds of

00:24:48.500 infections are fought with it um the fact that you can go into some pharmacies now here in america and

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00:25:50.520 this time it's a global movement i mean russia was a global movement um uh and so was fascism but um

00:25:57.660 it's the same kind of evil that permeates so can we let's go in and let's talk about one of the

00:26:03.780 biggest victims that we really don't ever hear about um the children oh yeah that was very hard

00:26:11.500 for me to read writing this book so like i i co-authored several books with celebrities right

00:26:15.720 and when i write those books you try to get into that person's shoes as much as possible so i'm writing

00:26:19.860 this i try to get into the mindset of the people who are the characters in the book so the things that

00:26:25.800 the thing is eat uh people what americans don't appreciate is how um clever evil is people in

00:26:32.620 this country think evil is like dominant buffoonish they think it's like hogan's heroes and it's like

00:26:37.420 god god willing that would be the extent of nazis these buffoons yeah and i mean i just have to know

00:26:43.700 the nazi uniform was designed by hugo boss yeah it wasn't a scary uniform it was a snappy number yeah yeah

00:26:50.860 and one of the things that that lenin and stalin wanted to do is they wanted to have everything for

00:26:58.300 the public good well what you and i like and everyone listening to this likes is civil society

00:27:02.340 which means families looking out for each other neighbors looking out for each other having these

00:27:06.340 thriving communities which exist independently of the state well that's bourgeois that's exactly 0.93

00:27:11.000 the bourgeoisie and that's what the soviet unions were against so for him any kind of bond between two

00:27:16.820 people is the beginning of a conspiracy and a threat to his power so they were told kids were

00:27:21.280 told the story of public morozov who's this little boy a myth that they made up right he existed but

00:27:26.020 you know the story's a myth and the dad was like hoarding grain or keeping grain and dad's a kulak 0.58

00:27:30.480 public turns him in to the cops and is killed by his dad and this was the lesson kids were taught in

00:27:36.560 school you should be like this kid so even if it costs your life if you see your parents doing

00:27:41.980 something wrong you make sure to call the cops on them so from the beginning they're turning

00:27:46.740 children against their parents but even worse uh you and i like to think maybe maybe you do i maybe i

00:27:52.480 don't that we're kind of tough people and people listening to this i'm sure a lot of ex-military are

00:27:56.220 very tough people listening to the show let's see how tough you are when they bring you into

00:28:01.240 interrogation because stalin lowered the death penalty i think to age 12 or 14 and this is a big

00:28:06.480 international uproar why are you doing this because when people were brought in to be interrogated

00:28:10.900 that law was on the interrogator's desk so you see how tough you are when you see that your kid's

00:28:17.260 death warrant is sitting there in front of you he had jews confessing to working with hitler he had 0.65

00:28:23.820 people confessing to working for countries that didn't even exist because if the child was lying

00:28:28.160 then the child's no meaning because if i have your kid's death sentence right here so if you don't

00:28:33.060 cooperate we're getting a kid okay and you could be as tough as you want they knew that they would take

00:28:39.000 those kids and here's what here's how how the ripple effect so glenn gets arrested goes to jail

00:28:45.240 your wife is now arrested because being married to an enemy of the people is a crime right so she 1.00

00:28:50.320 should have turned you in or she should have known overnight your kids are all orphans but now no one

00:28:55.380 wants to talk to these kids because why are you fraternizing with these children who are children of

00:29:01.920 enemies of the people so these kids were completely helpless they were criminals without being charged

00:29:07.320 criminal right but they're also pariahs this happened to goruchov when he was a kid he said

00:29:10.720 his house became like a plague house no one wanted to come near him and there was much hand wringing

00:29:15.140 in the kremlin at the time because why what are we gonna do about these kids who are killing themselves

00:29:19.940 because logically they had no life to look forward to it's just horrific and but there wasn't a thing

00:29:25.140 like maybe we went too far it's like this is making us look bad right so the book starts with

00:29:30.700 ayn rand testifying in front of the house on american activities community she's like 1.00

00:29:33.760 talking to like a republican congressman pennsylvania she's like you don't understand 0.64

00:29:38.160 as an american what it's like to live in a country where human life means nothing less than nothing and

00:29:44.480 you know it so this separation of and also these kids were then encouraged to get in school and to

00:29:52.040 denounce their own families and sometimes the parents would encourage them to do it it's like

00:29:56.300 look save yourself so to have this kind of again when we think of evil or dictators they think you know

00:30:02.400 glenn's locked in a room he's beaten you know they break his thumbs fingernail you know put stuff

00:30:06.240 under his nails they torture physically no no no it's about turning families against one another

00:30:12.180 publicly they would torture priests and get them to denounce god from the pulpit to traumatize

00:30:19.280 the congregants this was a big victory for them because that's how much they hated religion because

00:30:24.720 again that was a threat to the state so michael again i'm not saying we're there nobody's doing this

00:30:30.720 to children but isn't this the beginning oh there's some things being done to children in this country

00:30:35.200 yeah this is the beginning they're turning they are intentionally stated goal turn and tear the family

00:30:42.520 apart and and turn the kids against the parents and i mean we're in the beginning stages of that

00:30:50.560 are you certain they're going to get their way no certain no great that's my point the point the white 0.99

00:30:57.920 pill is not optimism the white pill is hope it is the recognition that those who we are against are

00:31:04.060 defeatable they are not particularly impressive and they have lost on a small scale and a large scale

00:31:11.060 many times in the past and as long as there is hope it is our duty in my view as especially as americans

00:31:18.240 to make sure that these people don't get their way why should they always get their way i want to get my way

00:31:23.920 right i'm trying to i'm sorry to keep pushing you on this but i please i uh i think you can be

00:31:36.300 perceived by some this is some lawyer language let's look at how no okay okay because i i wrestle with

00:31:43.280 this okay i wrestle with this too at times but not like i've heard other people wrestle that you are

00:31:50.380 just like uh you've you've taken a whole bottle of white pills and you're just like high on it's all

00:31:58.640 gonna work out it's like it's like i'm not i'm hopeful not optimistic it's not the same it's not all

00:32:03.480 gonna just gonna work out the point is you have to acknowledge what we're facing so let me ask you

00:32:09.760 i may have the same attitude with some people coming back at me because my faith is so strong

00:32:19.520 in god i have no idea how it's going to end up okay i just know he wins in the end yeah good wins

00:32:26.140 in the end and if i'm here for it great if i'm not okay but i'll do everything i can to lead do the

00:32:34.140 next right thing and i'll say that to people i'll say you know we know god is we know and they

00:32:41.800 interpret that as yeah yeah i got it i got it yeah jesus saves but what are we going to do and i'm like

00:32:49.280 well you got to have that first you have to have faith you're saying you got to have hope it's

00:32:55.280 they're intertwined okay but you still have to do the things to stand guard to warn and to thwart

00:33:03.840 right yeah yeah well and i think i understand and that's a big part of this book is to show

00:33:09.500 it's just to tell and i'm sorry to use this word but i think americans are naive about you know when

00:33:13.980 you were saying hot bottles of white pills that i get it as an anarchist i get accused oh you think

00:33:18.520 human beings are basically good read this book because it's not it's not about human beings are

00:33:24.700 basically good at all it's just about how when you have a nation where there's no law or rights

00:33:29.420 of any kind as rand put it the levels of depravity that they reach are things that if you and i sat

00:33:36.220 down and tried to figure out ways to torture people we wouldn't be that creative because our

00:33:40.540 minds don't work in these directions and in fact when you had the secret police there was an enormous

00:33:45.320 evolutionary pressure on them to become more sadistic because here's the thing a lot of times

00:33:50.300 these guys who were torturing people who were uh prisoners they knew they were innocent they just had

00:33:56.020 to get to that confession so they had to get increasing and if they don't get the confession

00:34:00.440 oh you're being soft on the other people now they're next on the line right so there was this

00:34:04.500 insane pressure from every direction and they got very very creative but the point is over time they

00:34:12.140 lost their power they and then they lost everything entirely in fact during the 80s and you and i both

00:34:18.640 remember the 80s very well we were of the belief and we were told this constantly by people like henry

00:34:23.860 kissinger that the soviet union is not going anywhere we tried the korean war that was a draw

00:34:29.580 we tried the vietnam war we got our asses handed to us you have to be realistic and realistic means

00:34:36.840 there's going to be two superpowers forever that's why chekov is on star trek because even in whatever

00:34:41.880 year that takes place it's going to be the americans and the russians and you're naive if you think this

00:34:47.340 is going to go away and ronald reagan before he was the president sat down with one of his aides and he says

00:34:53.400 you know you want to hear my strategy for the cold war it's simple but some people might say

00:34:57.720 simplistic here's what it is we win they lose and he was regarded as a lunatic including by many in

00:35:05.360 the republican party he was told and all the press was saying this as well if you are this aggressive

00:35:11.600 with them you're pushing us closer toward nuclear war they have between us we have mutual destruction 0.74

00:35:18.140 and we can destroy all life on earth and as a result of his actions the threat of nuclear war 0.51

00:35:23.900 receded enormously uh and both the u.s and the ussr and later russia de-escalated their nuclear

00:35:30.880 tensions to a great degree but i think his strategy i mean you know we win they lose also was

00:35:38.860 i'm just going to call evil by its name that's evil that's why it's going to lose because that's evil

00:35:45.420 good wins so he had and that's one of the things that they had a problem with don't don't don't

00:35:50.920 right don't say that about them don't say that about but i remember growing up we thought all

00:35:56.140 russians were bad soon as that wall came down we realized oh my gosh there's millions of people 1.00

00:36:02.020 that were slaves to this that didn't want to blow us up right you know what i mean it was the leadership

00:36:09.520 that wanted to blow and i think that's what reagan knew and that's one thing i one thing i really don't

00:36:16.640 like when people and me i've done this for years um but in self-examination when you say the democrats

00:36:25.380 or the republicans that's kind of like saying the soviets want to kill us and you just assume that

00:36:32.560 everybody in that but they didn't they didn't it was leadership that knew what was going on

00:36:39.120 you know what i mean and you have to be able to separate who's what and what real motivations are

00:36:46.900 you know there's a lot of this debate over the centuries over what beauty means the meaning of

00:36:51.420 beauty right so we can say like you know a horse running through a meadow is beautiful a model is

00:36:57.260 certainly beautiful but also like a mom who's a mess doing the dishes with her kid that's also very

00:37:01.500 beautiful because it's pure right to me one of the most beautiful things on earth and this happened

00:37:07.980 throughout the book is when men who have great power choose to do the right thing even at cost

00:37:14.900 themselves and choose the course of peace and this there's this this when i learned this when writing

00:37:20.180 the book it just blew my mind reagan was brought down uh to the bunker to go through a simulated nuclear

00:37:28.160 attack from the soviet union and he's sitting there and they're telling him we've got all these

00:37:33.020 nukes you know flying at you and he's like wait wait so if i retaliate like in minutes let's suppose

00:37:39.480 20 minutes i don't know how long it was because these missiles are going very fast 18 minutes okay 18

00:37:43.500 minutes i'm killing like 30 million like some huge number of people and they're like yeah and he's like

00:37:48.760 this is your solution your solution to us getting nuked is for me personally to kill like orders of 0.65

00:37:55.980 magnitude more than hitler in in under half an hour and he's like okay this is i'm going to put a stop

00:38:01.060 to this and his aides believed and i think they're right that he wouldn't have done he wouldn't have

00:38:05.180 retaliated unbeknownst to him unbeknownst to him gorbachev got taken down to a bunker and walked

00:38:13.200 through the simulation and he said explicitly reagan kept his cards to his chest i'm not pressing this

00:38:18.540 button even in simulation we're not retaliating so now both of these guys are going to reykjavik

00:38:23.060 and this is a great moment in conservative history reagan and reykjavik both of them have all these

00:38:27.760 missiles pointing at each other right both have to believe that if you cross me i'm gonna fire and both

00:38:33.000 of them are like you know what i'm a dove you can nuke me we're not going to do anything about it

00:38:37.900 and because reagan was regarded as or portrayed as this crazy cowboy that allowed him to be to the

00:38:47.900 left of the hippies because he came to reykjavik he's like let's try to eliminate all nuclear weapons

00:38:53.060 and thatcher was like she was blowing a gasket because she goes you can't uninvent nukes and she 0.99

00:38:59.140 says how do we know gorbachev won't cheat i would cheat you know she kind of dropped the mask a little

00:39:03.100 bit but that kind of exchange is such an important moment in terms of moving peace worldwide forward and

00:39:11.680 yet that's something else that's not discussed we we build so many monuments to world war ii correctly

00:39:17.940 because so many people lost their lives you know courageously but to win a war peacefully to me is also

00:39:25.940 a moment of enormous glory and should be discussed frequently and again this is in our lifetime this

00:39:33.420 isn't you know normandy in in the 30s in the whatever the landing was 41 this is the 80s

00:39:39.280 so let me go back to the book would stalin have killed 30 million people oh yes yeah that's how he 0.85

00:39:50.800 killed i mean i mean with one oh yeah is that a good question um there was this um roy medvedev was a

00:39:59.040 soviet historian and he went through all the people that stalin killed and eugene genovese later looked at

00:40:07.420 his work and was like was roy medvedev drinking because according to him stalin killed more 0.82

00:40:13.600 communists than the fascists the capitalists the imperialists combined and he goes communism yeah

00:40:19.520 and he goes wait a minute he did the math he goes you don't have to be good at math to do this kind

00:40:23.420 of math and it was orders of magnitude so the number of people that he killed of his own what he would

00:40:29.100 do and again you know you know we discuss how people are naive about the nature of evil he would

00:40:33.500 give his henchmen lists right and he'd be like saint petersburg ten thousand moscow five thousand

00:40:39.860 lvov five thousand they had to find five thousand people and arrest so he would just give them a

00:40:46.440 number a quota and then and then baria who is his last of his torturers last of the secret police

00:40:52.360 is very famous for his quote show me the man i'll find you the crime they knew they had to create

00:40:58.580 x amount of criminals to please stalin and they were very good at their job 0.84

00:41:02.620 back to michael here in just a minute uh first you know it's bad enough when you get something like

00:41:08.220 your credit card stolen um imagine what you'd have to go through if your home title was stolen

00:41:14.880 here's uh an actual audio of a guy who used to do that steal people's home titles listen nobody thinks

00:41:23.680 that i can take their house and borrow against the house oh no i have title insurance for that

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00:41:33.800 he's calling you after i've stolen the title barred against it or sold the property or done whatever

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00:42:22.580 tell me things that i mean because you were born in the soviet union yeah so tell me the things that

00:42:29.940 when you did your research on the darker side that you didn't know and because i know

00:42:38.760 when you wrote this there were several times that you just wrote it through tears because there's

00:42:45.440 also the happy stuff that's like when they're but the one that really got me recently is in prague

00:42:50.540 there's something called the museum of communism and what's really great about this museum of

00:42:53.860 communism is it's not written in scholarly tones like the captions are things like you know you know

00:42:59.260 how on cigarette packets it says like this will hurt your lifespan yeah that's what it was like living in a

00:43:03.940 communist country so i i sent my protege trey to to there because he was in prague he took photos all

00:43:09.220 the captions for me and then it really hit me like a gut punch that we call totalitarianism there was

00:43:16.920 nowhere and this was my family experience you know i left when i was two but there was nowhere for them

00:43:21.740 to go correct all of your books are through this lens all of your music is through this lens everything

00:43:29.380 on tv is through this lens you have to worry who you're talking to if they turn on you and i grew

00:43:35.940 up with this kind of this little filter wondering like if i say the wrong thing the wrong person

00:43:39.900 what's going to happen i i kind of grew out of that but we don't know what that's like because let's

00:43:45.460 suppose we're just hold on hold on beginning hold on to feel let's suppose someone hates trump like

00:43:50.020 they really hate trump it's really easy for you to get away from trump go watch sports yeah go read

00:43:55.340 anna green gables go watch different strokes reruns there's a million they didn't have that

00:44:00.400 it's everything and everywhere from the time you're born until the time you escape the opposite way

00:44:05.660 you are trying to get out of a society with crt and wokeness sure i mean it's almost everywhere it's

00:44:14.980 not almost everywhere because i can sit here and watch the blaze 24 7 right my point is what everywhere

00:44:20.620 glenn we it's not in the restaurants it's not at red lobster it's not it's in it's they're trying i

00:44:27.700 i'm not denying that that's their goal okay but the point that we exist and that there's places to go

00:44:34.540 to escape it there's a big difference between being homeless and having a crappy apartment right it's like

00:44:40.580 night and day oh yeah so we can't wrap our heads around what it's like we're literally everything

00:44:47.840 we do is through the filter of politics and i'm not trying to compare the two i'm trying to i'm

00:44:55.120 trying to find out if you believe that these are the seeds oh yes i oh yes yeah of course the seeds

00:45:01.480 again i'm not saying yeah yeah yeah we're up against pure evil we are pure evil is not going to get its

00:45:08.620 way okay if i have anything to do about it and i think i do as an american i love your attitude but

00:45:13.920 it's true these people are not impressive how can you look at john fetterman and be like well

00:45:20.340 that's a wrap he can raise my kids however he wants like what are you talking about

00:45:23.840 right tell me about tell me about um uh henry wallace oh god i love that story

00:45:35.500 so henry wallace was uh um so but people in may not realize this and you're a history buff i'm a history buff

00:45:43.520 fdr's first vice president uh cactus jack garner who was i believe speaker of the house he's from

00:45:48.500 texas he was a conservative and he didn't he and fdr butted heads he was really against the court

00:45:54.280 packing scheme that fdr tried to pull and he threw in his hat for the 1940 presidential race because it

00:46:01.940 wasn't clear that fdr was going to seek a third term an unprecedented third term well he wasn't going

00:46:06.180 to be on the ticket so henry wallace uh so fdr pulls henry wallace uh base so setting secretary

00:46:11.300 agriculture out of obscurity wallace had been and so that's something people don't realize is that

00:46:16.540 the democrat the parties did not align ideologically like they do now you had very conservative pro

00:46:23.780 business democrats and hardcore leftist and then you know very liberal republicans the teddy

00:46:28.140 rosewood republicans the lafoyette republicans and also very conservative republicans so it's it was

00:46:32.360 you had this kind of ideological balance on tickets henry uh in 1940 fdr for the first time as the

00:46:39.400 nominee decides to pick his own vice president because it historically had been the convention

00:46:43.700 picks the vp and you have these kind of weird mixed matches um like you know ward harding was

00:46:48.480 basically a debauched you know uh drunkard and calvin coolidge who's as kind of prim and proper as

00:46:54.600 you get things like this or mckinley and teddy roosevelt's another great example of this so he

00:46:58.860 picks this henry wallace guy this guy was like kind of this new age freak he had these letters to i

00:47:03.980 forget the guy's name some theosophist they were these dear guru letters and he he got went to

00:47:11.640 the ussr they took him to a gulag and the prisoners literally put on a song and dance for him of course

00:47:21.980 everyone who spoke english was vanished the prisoners were happy because while he was there they were sat

00:47:28.860 in a room and watched movies all day because he wasn't allowed to see any of them and the russians

00:47:34.000 took him around and the thing is because he had a great background in agriculture they like took him

00:47:38.740 to a pig farm well the people running the farm were apparatchiks they didn't know anything about pig

00:47:42.500 farming so he's asked them questions about like pig husbandry and they're like oh but the translators

00:47:47.300 like covered for them and he writes back and he talks about this is like the wild west he says there's

00:47:52.860 no two countries more alike than the us and the ussr and there's so many people moving to siberia

00:48:00.260 it's just you laugh but this was the vice this would be the former vice president and this is what a lot

00:48:07.000 of people believed at the time they didn't have alternative access to information the new york

00:48:11.180 times would be telling them things like this and they're like look at this population it grew so much

00:48:15.540 and they're these gold mines and it's just wonderful and it was all a lie it was a concentration camp a 0.51

00:48:21.860 labor camp and there were prisoners who were at that camp when eleanor lipper is one of them

00:48:27.360 she later escaped because she was a foreign national and she's like i was on the other side 0.99

00:48:31.800 of that fence this was not some nice thing and we were treated you know the atrocities are in the

00:48:38.340 book and they're horrible and fdr they the head of the dnc kicks henry wallace off the ticket there

00:48:45.460 was a lot of pressure truman is the nominee of vice president nominee in 1944 fdr dies i think like

00:48:51.260 100 days into his fourth term and the head of the democratic committee said i wanted to say on

00:48:56.740 my tombstone i kept henry wallace from being president and it didn't say that it just has his

00:49:01.900 dates but the point is we were this close to having a president who was taking direct orders or close to

00:49:09.960 it from stalin this isn't some theoretical i like communism this is someone who thinks one of the

00:49:16.620 worst butchers in history was a good guy and someone we should work well with you also and i love you

00:49:24.660 for this thank you for this uh woodrow wilson i mean you point out that guy i mean he's he really

00:49:32.420 thought we are brothers we that their revolution is our revolution i mean we it's blue skies there's no

00:49:39.380 two countries that should be more bigger friends but here's here's another kind of white pill moment

00:49:45.680 because in 1916 when woodrow wilson was campaigning for re-election and he wanted the first democrat to

00:49:52.600 be re-elected since the civil war he won it by i think like 3 000 votes in california it was that that

00:49:57.660 close and his campaign was he kept us out of war right a few months later we're part of the great war

00:50:04.820 and fighting the draft became a felony eugene v debs who had been the socialist candidate was

00:50:11.160 imprisoned and it took and even after the war ended he was still imprisoned and it took president

00:50:16.340 harding to commute or pardon his sentence to get him out of jail point being being against the great

00:50:21.220 war went from being a winning campaign strategy to being a felony in the matter of months i don't think

00:50:28.860 nowadays there would be the capacity to have this nationwide draft and let's suppose they wanted

00:50:37.140 to make it a felony to oppose the draft thanks to the internet anyone on earth could have this

00:50:43.200 information or hide their ip and be like this guy's a tyrant this is ridiculous you can't silence the

00:50:48.240 entire earth no matter how much they would want to do it let me talk a little bit um about oh i when i was

00:50:57.080 at um i was in warsaw oh yeah and i i met with the chief rabbi oh wow and i jesus wow that's gotta be

00:51:09.940 intense it was and i but it was white pill uh i had just gone from auschwitz i had seen and i'd walked

00:51:18.720 the ghettos and everything else all over poland i was doing a documentary and i met with him and i said

00:51:26.640 and i was just broken inside you have you've been there i don't know i don't know i couldn't handle

00:51:32.540 it oh my gosh it you know what my understanding is the most disturbing part is like there's like

00:51:36.820 grass and like birds chirping like like that kind of irony is just like this it just looks like there's

00:51:41.520 inside the wall right behind the wall where they were executing people and that building was where

00:51:48.580 the windows were open and uh and mangala was doing experiments on live people awake you know

00:51:56.920 during during surgery right at the bottom of that building about eight feet in is a pool where all of

00:52:05.460 the guards would just take their girlfriends and they would just swim in the pool and it's mind do you

00:52:09.660 know what mangala did um if you read the book his biography of mangala he was trying to inject dye into

00:52:15.740 people's eyes to turn the blue which contradicts i would think the racial purity because if you're

00:52:20.920 faking it you want the real blue not the dye right and one of his assistants came into his office once

00:52:26.520 and he had the eyes cut they're irises and he had them pinned on the wall like butterflies and she said

00:52:32.200 i thought i had died and gone to hell so again when i we talk about the nature of evil um and people

00:52:37.340 being naive we can wrap our heads around like medical experiments on people like that little detail about

00:52:43.160 like slicing eyes and having him hang on your wall and just looking at it like like nothing happened

00:52:47.620 that is something i think few people can wrap their heads around you want to talk about white pill you

00:52:53.220 want to talk about why i do have hope is i know that there are millions of americans that want to do the

00:53:01.720 right thing and are doing the right thing right now um there are so many people just in this audience

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00:54:41.700 or you can go online at preborn.com slash glenn so i had just gone there and uh so i go and meet with

00:54:53.240 him and the first thing i say to him and it wasn't a question it was it wasn't something i had planned

00:55:01.400 it just came spilling out and i said i've i just spent some time with you know one of the righteous

00:55:09.700 among the nations and there was i can't remember what it is 3 000 5 000 righteous of the nations in

00:55:16.460 poland people that were not jewish but trying to do everything they could to save jewish people

00:55:21.540 and that was a country of millions yeah and uh i said how come there were so few and he looked at me

00:55:32.540 and he just looked at me shocked and he said so few yeah yeah he said it's a miracle there were that

00:55:43.620 many and he you know explained how difficult it was death death instant for you your family everything

00:55:52.680 yeah torture horrible um and it really spun me around because you do understand it's not like

00:56:03.500 anything we've ever experienced in america there's nothing like that in our experience yeah um and what i

00:56:11.880 like about your book is you do hit those people who stood and and those are my favorite kinds of

00:56:22.120 stories the people who have everything to lose i i think i'm going to be able to tell this story now

00:56:27.720 without crying this is the first time because i've told this several times that i think you get through

00:56:31.720 it there was something called the senior citizens tunnel which uh andrew heaton who used to work at the

00:56:36.220 blaze told me about and there were a bunch of uh senior citizens on the far side of the berlin wall

00:56:42.320 they were in east berlin they wanted to get to west berlin inside a chicken coop they dug this tunnel

00:56:47.600 to west berlin because as soon as you step foot in west berlin as a german person you have citizenship

00:56:51.560 there and they dug it six feet tall and they asked i'm getting through the story they asked the guy

00:56:57.520 why did you build this tunnel so it's so tall and he goes we're my wife's not crawling to freedom 0.66

00:57:02.320 i'm done crawling and the fact that it must take in like who knows how much extra time but stories

00:57:07.520 like this about the human defiance um is just another form to me of enormous enormous beauty

00:57:14.840 there's another story which i just love of heinz meixner he was a guy who was commuting between east

00:57:20.080 and west germany as some foreign nationals could do at the time east and west berlin excuse me and he

00:57:24.120 fell in love with a girl from east berlin and he's like i gotta get her out of here so he goes to

00:57:28.600 checkpoint charlie and they have that thing that allows cars to get through and he measures how

00:57:32.680 tall it is and he gets a british car i think it was an astrid martin and he takes up the windshield

00:57:37.480 and he takes some air out of the tires puts her in the back seat well i gotta get her mom too right 1.00

00:57:42.200 so mother-in-law to be is in the trunk put bricks around her in case they start firing he takes a

00:57:48.300 checkpoint charlie they're about to wave him on to the next uh guard and he just floors it and goes

00:57:55.700 under the gate and drives to freedom in fact there's a photo of them which maybe we can show

00:58:00.600 of what the orientation was like but and some here's the great thing someone else did it again

00:58:06.660 later with the same car but stories like this like i love this girl i'm gonna do something about this

00:58:13.120 and that he did could you imagine sitting him down and being like look she's in east berlin there's

00:58:20.320 lots of girls in west berlin you're putting your life at risk but right again when i talk about hope 0.70

00:58:25.900 and and the fact that these people can be beaten it's moments like this if they had their way

00:58:31.960 she'd be vanished mother-in-law be vanished too and he would never be allowed to step foot in east

00:58:37.220 berlin ever again but that's not what happened so there are so many cases many such cases to quote

00:58:43.200 the former president where people of their own volition like you saw in poland were like i'm gonna do

00:58:49.540 something about this and i have to tell you i think that spirit is more pervasive in america

00:58:56.160 than in any other country on earth this idea of like it's on my shoulders to do right i the one thing

00:59:03.080 that i think you and i will both agree on is um we have started to see more and more of that

00:59:12.420 but we haven't even scratched the surface of that oh i agree things became truly oppressive i mean

00:59:19.540 where everybody was clear oh my what is happening everyone will never be clear

00:59:24.660 no no no yeah you're right you're right but i mean a lot of people okay okay you would have that

00:59:32.740 american there is something about us in our dna that i hope is still there i think it is

00:59:40.160 um that we are you know i think churchill referenced this it takes us a while but once

00:59:50.500 we wake up we change the world we can change the world because we have that in our dna that it is

00:59:58.040 the one individual it's not the state or the king or anything else it's the individual goes screw it

01:00:05.960 yeah i'm going yeah i i one of the other things i fight against on like social media is a lot of

01:00:11.740 people have this idea of like oh we're never gonna have majority the majority is always gonna be sheep

01:00:15.780 i'm like you don't need a majority or even a large percent right if let's suppose five percent five

01:00:21.100 percent of people in this country went communist let's just look at from the other like five percent

01:00:25.620 this country became violently armed communists it would be a night it would be the purge

01:00:31.120 one out of 20 with weapons and messing things it would make what happened in 2022 look like an

01:00:36.920 absolute joke right so it takes a very small percentage of the population who to be radicalized

01:00:44.180 to that point and that's not what i'm advocating for but the point being you never need a majority

01:00:48.320 if you have a hardcore minority they become ungovernable and then all sorts of things got on the table

01:00:54.640 the the revolutionary war was less than 20 percent of the american population in its corner right and

01:01:01.800 even them many of them were just vaguely in the corner they're not doing anything about it they're

01:01:05.360 like i support you correct i'm just gonna like your tweets but if i'm asked i don't know yeah i don't

01:01:10.920 know you at all um can you talk about upton sinclair a bit oh god i uh good happily yes okay so

01:01:19.000 uh i'm sick of only people or predominantly people on the right getting canceled so this was my chance

01:01:25.720 to cancel upton sinclair and i had the receipts there was this book i found called terror in russia

01:01:30.800 question mark and it was debate between upton sinclair and eugene lyons who was a communist reporter

01:01:36.220 who later turned hardcore anti-communist and upton sinclair is still read widely read in high schools

01:01:43.040 his book the jungle he is a he's known as a hero against yellow journalism he is the guy yeah right

01:01:51.820 he right mr honesty like integrity because of his book the jungle we have the fda to this day

01:01:58.180 and people are of the belief that if it wasn't for the fda all your food be poisoned and if you go to

01:02:02.900 a bar you're gonna be served strychnine correct i would have for whatever reason i don't know why

01:02:06.680 this would be advantageous to the bartender but whatever um he was a hardcore progressive

01:02:12.980 he was not a communist by his own words he was the democratic party nominee for governor of

01:02:18.940 california 1934 and he had a plan called epic end poverty in california and his idea was take all these

01:02:25.500 vacant lots and have everyone guaranteed a job and the reporters asked understandably this is the

01:02:32.240 we're at the height of the depression if you have california guaranteeing jobs won't everyone come here

01:02:39.360 and he basically had some glib answer about like well we have to worry about them somewhere

01:02:43.480 he was this close to becoming the nominee and he he lost the election and because of losing the election

01:02:49.660 he said some of his supporters killed themselves who knows if that's true point being he became a big

01:02:55.320 apologist for stalin and he first of all he said with the holodom or the starvation the ukrainians he

01:03:01.320 goes oh you say it's five million i think the number's closer to one million and it's like based on what

01:03:06.160 right because one sounds better than five but then he goes yeah but you have to look at it this way

01:03:10.820 at least they solve the problem of famine forever which is not true but for him when i found this book

01:03:17.080 and he's in black and white being like yeah we starve millions of people but look at the long term it's

01:03:22.440 just like holy crap and then when eugene lions a lot of people that still kind of think that way

01:03:28.660 and when eugene lions told him he's pretty close to hitler style uh um uh upton sinclair is like okay

01:03:38.020 when stalin and hitler stop having their animosity then i'll admit that stalin has sold out the

01:03:45.460 workers the next year was the molotov ripentrop pact when stalin and hitler had their non-aggression 0.56

01:03:51.680 pact and upton sinclair never did admit that stalin had in fact sold out the workers and the hand

01:03:58.120 waving of this this was the thing that disturbed me the most it wasn't necessarily what was done in

01:04:05.500 the soviet union as much as how many american influencers and they harvard yale princeton the

01:04:13.340 new yorker the new york times the atlantic the nation were just telling americans you're stupid

01:04:19.640 they have freedom of speech they can read any book they want from aristotle to lenin

01:04:25.500 um they don't have racism there you're just backwards you just have anti-communist prejudices 0.89

01:04:31.820 and they put this in writing they were singing lillian hellman ernest hemingway so to see how

01:04:37.300 they were browbeating the people in this country to talk about and it wasn't at all in the context of

01:04:44.300 look it's world war ii we're up against hitler england's by herself we got to take any allies allies

01:04:50.020 we get like i that wasn't the argument the argument was we should be closer to his approach of

01:04:55.980 government because they're the future and they figured it out so to have those receipts in writing

01:05:01.040 which i discovered during my research was something i was uh stunned and glad to kind of

01:05:06.740 bring back and it's amazing to me how he george bernard shaw who basically kind of came up with

01:05:14.120 the gas chamber um how they're just revered still today yeah and and given a pass and we're told

01:05:23.420 that america is horrible by the same people who are giving a pass to well you you're not giving you're

01:05:29.780 not giving a pass for a mean tweet right but you are given a pass for literally saying this genocide

01:05:35.200 was worth it that's to me is completely crazy so thankfully i hope people will uh take away from

01:05:41.980 this book uh um undying hatred for upton sinclair so i want to i want to talk about one last thing

01:05:48.420 sure um your model of optimism comes from a guy you mentioned early on camus camu camu yeah okay

01:06:04.100 never heard of him don't know who he is stranger you never heard the stranger no okay he wasn't he

01:06:09.440 won nobel prize for literature i'm sorry okay no he's he's a major when did he live uh he died i

01:06:14.140 think in 40 he died in a car accident i think in 1943 okay yeah tell me about him and tell me oh no

01:06:18.900 it's after 43 i'm sorry because he was part of the french resistance so tell me about him and tell me

01:06:23.560 what what anchors you what what has he given you that anchors you into in in white pill uh so

01:06:34.380 camu was i mean this book was started as analysis of his thought he he was an absurdist he's often

01:06:40.860 called um he's often aligned with sartre which they were opposing angles in terms of politics he was

01:06:47.420 very big on the he has a quote which is ascribed to him which i don't think he ever actually said by

01:06:53.340 howard zinn where he says it is the job of thinking people not to be on the side of the executioners

01:06:57.640 and he his book the plague which was a metaphor for the knox occupation is you know and was kind

01:07:06.000 of popular during covid for i guess people thought there would be some parallels there he would and he

01:07:10.440 had a very famous essay called reflections on the guillotine where he's against the death penalty

01:07:14.200 his point being as cruel as it is to kill someone he's not dismissing that at all it's not any less

01:07:21.160 cruel to have someone locked in a room for 20 years and threatening with death at the end of that so

01:07:25.480 we're better than that but he is very much a philosopher of conscience he was part of the

01:07:30.480 resistance in um occupied france and i don't i don't have the i don't want to mangle his quote

01:07:35.640 that i have the quote to introduce if you can get the exact quote i have nobody realizes uh that some

01:07:41.540 people expend tremendous oh no that's that's no no that's not the that's actually he never actually

01:07:45.780 said that i think that's the one there's a lot of here's the thing with camu because i had to learn

01:07:49.860 this there's a lot of camu quotes on the internet that he never actually said and i think that one

01:07:55.460 you said about the expanding normal but do not wait for the last judgment it takes place every

01:08:00.300 day there is always philosophy for the lack of courage what does that one mean there's always a

01:08:06.780 philosophy for someone will always find an excuse for you to do the wrong thing right so this is the

01:08:12.020 quote that introduced the book and i'll sum up in seconds all i maintain is that on this earth

01:08:16.620 there are plagues and there are victims and it's up to us so far as possible not to join forces with the

01:08:22.720 plagues meaning evil is real evil exists but it's not a hard choice fight evil and the way i could

01:08:30.320 sum up camu's philosophy i wrote a book called the myth of sisyphus and his conclusions that sisyphus

01:08:34.660 who's pushing the rock up a hill for eternity is happy this is how with some of camu's philosophy

01:08:38.640 imagine if you walk into some kind of wilderness right there's a river in a mountainside and there's

01:08:44.240 an easel there right so because mu felt that life was inherently meaningless but he regarded this as

01:08:49.780 not a bad thing you see this easel and i know you're a painter there's two kinds of approaches

01:08:54.080 why is there this easel in the middle of the wilderness this is a waste and this is stupid or 0.63

01:08:58.040 what a great opportunity i can paint that mountain i could paint that river i could paint myself i could

01:09:04.640 paint something abstract i could paint something concrete i could do anything i want with this great

01:09:08.640 opportunity and that's his view in my interpretation of life we are giving something that in his view is

01:09:16.180 inherently meaningless but that means we can imbue meaning to it and it is incumbent upon us for that

01:09:23.480 meaning to be full of he has this quote about man should live to the point of tears that you should

01:09:29.360 live with integrity and intensity and he very much spoke to those people in poland who were like this is my

01:09:37.600 chance to when i meet my maker he was an atheist but the metaphor stands when i'm on my deathbed can i look

01:09:45.200 back and be like you know what nine out of ten i left the world a better place than i found it and

01:09:51.520 this is one of the reasons i wrote this book it's it's like i'm from this country it is unconscionable

01:09:58.700 to me that all these lives all these decades of of misery is just going to be forgotten and i'm like

01:10:05.520 you know what i'm going to do something about it and so i did

01:10:08.060 as i get older i've been thinking this a lot lately if i had to live my life all over again

01:10:16.700 the only thing i would change

01:10:19.780 there'd be two things

01:10:22.580 i would stop being so worried about outcomes can i can i interrupt you because my friend jackie

01:10:31.980 was just talking to someone who's 90 and she goes what would you tell yourself she goes i'd stop

01:10:35.120 worrying so much yeah that there's this rabbinical quote where it says imagine you go back 10 years

01:10:39.960 in time right and you see yourself 10 years ago and you see you tell yourself some of the bad things

01:10:45.080 will happen but you're here yeah like stop freaking out so you could tell yourself that now imagine

01:10:49.140 yourself 10 years from now going back in time and you'll sit yourself down be like there'll be bad

01:10:53.260 stuff you can handle this yeah um yeah so stop worrying so much um and and the other one kind of

01:11:02.140 stems from that but i would just have risked more i would have just i would have just said

01:11:08.240 you're gonna jump out of an airplane yeah what the hell look at the world you know you just there's so

01:11:15.480 many opportunities that because of time because of you know what you're working on what you're

01:11:21.440 thinking what you're afraid of you just don't do and those things that you don't do could have

01:11:29.940 unlocked so many other doors that would have led to a much richer experience if you just

01:11:37.080 if you live life without fear can i ask you another one yeah i would tell myself and i wonder if you

01:11:44.100 agree to be hard on yourself but be kind to yourself yes yes because yeah you don't be lazy you're gonna

01:11:51.880 make excuses but at the same time you're gonna screw up yeah and when you make those amends or you

01:11:57.040 you don't go back and fix it to the best of your ability it's it's okay you're a person that's why

01:12:01.840 alcoholism helped me so yeah yeah you know the 12 step is all 12 steps is all about that yeah you suck 0.85

01:12:09.780 you suck a lot sometimes that's okay who doesn't let's fix what we can and leave the rest and throw it 0.90

01:12:18.200 out and so you start giving yourself a break really early in life and i think we so many of us do this

01:12:27.240 you don't have to be an alcoholic to to to start thinking this way that you are not more than a

01:12:35.440 collection of your mistakes but and your mistakes are so meaningless if you apply the lessons you learn

01:12:42.860 from them that's great also every single person listening to this has it in their power to make

01:12:48.260 the world a marginally better place yes you can go talk to an elderly person who's lonely you can

01:12:54.940 foster an animal you can mentor some kids there's so many opportunities to just make the world a

01:13:00.920 better place and you're not going to like some of them and that's okay but you are going to find

01:13:04.080 some that you do like you can just say how are you yeah yeah and mean it yeah yeah and mean it

01:13:11.280 well i couldn't because i mean i'm not a nice person but some people a blaze audience member

01:13:17.720 certainly could yes michael i love you i love you too glenn thank you so much

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The Glenn Beck Program - February 18, 2023

Ep 173 ｜ America Is More Divided Than Ever. That's GOOD! ｜ Michael Malice ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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