The Glenn Beck Program - Ep 177 ｜ Why the 'Anti-Woke Crusader' Is Running for President ｜ Vivek Ramaswamy

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00:01:00.080 The first episode, my guest today in this series, just recently announced his candidacy and it

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00:03:17.900 Vivek, when did you first start thinking, maybe I should run for president?

00:03:22.940 I mean, in a serious way, December. It's actually pretty recent. It sort of hit me in early December.

00:03:30.500 There was something about the way I, I can't say exactly why, but I think it was because I,

00:03:35.440 the way I thought I saw the race shaping up, it worried me a little bit that it was going to become

00:03:40.200 this battle of biographies, right? I mean, that's at least, and that's at least the media coverage of

00:03:45.820 it, right? You got Trump over here. DeSantis says he's going to declare in June. It's going to be this

00:03:49.940 political brawl. And to me, that was a lost opportunity where this is a chance to define

00:03:56.200 a national identity. It's what I've been trying to do through a lot of my other work, you know,

00:03:59.480 taking on the ESG movement and otherwise. So, so it hit me in December, but I'm still running

00:04:03.540 strive at full tilt. You know, we, we hit some important milestones in November and December.

00:04:08.520 Then we got to Christmas break where that was the first time in a long time that my family and I

00:04:14.240 have together gotten to totally unplug. We actually took a trip to Mexico.

00:04:18.180 It was, it was divine family time together, but then, you know, you start to take a step back

00:04:25.180 and think about why you're doing what you're doing just every day. I mean, I don't mean

00:04:29.780 professionally, just why are we going through the motions, right? And this thing about our missing

00:04:36.520 national identity. I mean, it just nodded me, right? I mean, I think for me and for my wife too,

00:04:40.720 these are, it's deeply personal what this country allowed us to achieve. We've lived the full arc of

00:04:45.840 the American dream. We just had kids. That's, you know, three, one's three years old, one,

00:04:50.520 seven months old. That changes the way you view the world too. And I thought, look, as much as I was,

00:04:56.300 and in many ways I'm continuing to like you address the top down threats to liberty and prosperity,

00:05:02.700 this merger of state power and corporate power, that's far more powerful than big government alone.

00:05:09.280 Those are important forces to take on, but if we're being honest, they can only sell it if

00:05:16.380 somebody's buying it. Correct. Right. And so what is it about our culture? What is it about,

00:05:20.880 frankly, my generation? What is it about the next generation, my kids' generation that

00:05:24.680 makes us so hungry for this victimhood mentality, makes us so hungry for purpose?

00:05:30.480 Well, I think it's, I think it's the black hole in the vacuum actually. I mean, the way I look at

00:05:36.200 this, I don't mean to be, get philosophical right out of the bat here, but I just think we human

00:05:42.640 beings, we're like bats. We're lost in a cave, we're blind, and we figure out where we are in that cave by

00:05:50.420 sending out sonar signals. It's like echolocation. You figure out where you are when you're blind by

00:05:57.100 getting a signal back. So there's these pillars of truth in life. Okay. Family is something true.

00:06:02.840 It's, it's the unit that brought me into this world or raises me in it. Okay. My belief in God

00:06:08.040 is grounded in truth. That's something real. My, my status as a citizen of a nation, that's real.

00:06:14.860 My hard work, even the things I create through my hard work, that's real. I mean, whatever these

00:06:18.980 sources of identity are, we send out a signal and we get it back and say, okay, that's who I am in

00:06:22.760 relation to my nation. That's who I am in relation to my family. That's who I am.

00:06:27.100 In relation to God, in relation to what I work hard to create. Well, it turns out we live in a

00:06:32.160 moment where those things have all disappeared. Faith is on the decline. Patriotism is, is nearly

00:06:38.940 gone in this country. Family as an idea, as an institution is, is under assault. You have to be

00:06:44.160 defensive if you talk about family today, hard work. And we've created the conditions for, I think,

00:06:48.520 an epidemic of, of laziness and lethargy in our country. But the sources of identity that used to

00:06:53.940 fill our vacuum of purpose and meaning and identity, they're gone. So what do you have

00:07:00.480 left? You have a black hole, you have a vacuum. And then when you have a vacuum that runs that deep,

00:07:05.740 that is when poison begins to fill the void. And that's what lends the entire population to be

00:07:11.580 susceptible, to be vulnerable to cynical exploitation by the likes of those who, you know,

00:07:17.040 be it the ESG movement, be it DI, be it the rise of wokeism or transgenderism or gender ideology or

00:07:22.960 covidism or climatism, which seems to be the biggest one that's here to stay. They're preying

00:07:28.960 on that insecurity. They're preying on that black hole. And they're creating that black hole,

00:07:35.720 creating it and then preying on it, right? First is the assault. Yeah. And then you have the black hole

00:07:40.780 and you fill the vacuum with poison. And so to me, I was, I'm a little bit disappointed in our

00:07:48.280 movement in that we're not rising to the occasion to do any more than just stamping the poison out

00:07:54.620 to complain about it. We need to fill that void with something more rich and meaningful. I don't

00:07:59.280 know if I'm going to do it, but I'm going to give it a try. Right. And that's what I'm called to do.

00:08:01.900 Here's the, here's the problem with that. You know, great presidents, uh, Ronald Reagan,

00:08:08.980 this is who we are. Government is the problem. We are the solution. That's evil. We're good. Okay.

00:08:16.760 John F. Kennedy, we're going to go there and bring somebody back, send them there and bring them back.

00:08:24.260 Yep. Could not be done. We don't have anyone giving vision. Everybody, everybody's vision is

00:08:33.740 save it. Just save it. Just save it. You're not going anywhere. That's right. If you're just playing

00:08:38.840 defense all the time, it's, it's, it's, it's all defensive. And I think that's inherent. So there's

00:08:43.800 Reagan was an exception to this, but most of the great, whether or not you agree with their vision,

00:08:48.280 but most of the great visionaries as American presidents actually have not come from the

00:08:53.180 conservative camp. I mean, FDR had his new deal, right? JFK had his new frontier. Reagan was a

00:08:58.660 bit of an exception. It's what made him so special. He had an actual vision, but conservatives are about

00:09:02.220 either pointing out problems, which need to be pointed out. And I give Donald Trump a lot of

00:09:06.360 credit in 2015 and 2016 for what he did in this country, pointing out problems that no one else

00:09:12.020 was willing to point out. He blew walls up. He did. He revealed, I mean, the corruption that we

00:09:16.140 wouldn't have seen from China to the media, to the linkage between government and the private

00:09:19.780 sector, to the administrative bureaucracy. I mean, he's a hero for that, but it's

00:09:22.940 different than saying, okay, that's an actual vision. That's our promised land. That's where

00:09:28.000 we're going to go as a people. And for me, I mean, you probably saw it in the, you know,

00:09:32.620 where we framed this campaign. That's what I'm trying to do here. The new American dream,

00:09:36.280 what we call the new dream. FDR had his new deal. We have our new dream. It's an affirmative

00:09:40.500 vision of what America can be. And the good news is it's not as hard as you think, because a lot of

00:09:47.540 this just involves reviving the basic ideals that set this nation into motion 250 years ago. We don't

00:09:52.800 have to reinvent it. Correct. We just have to rediscover it. We have to reboot the system.

00:09:58.680 I've been saying a lot lately, unplug it and plug it back in. I like that a lot. Get back to factory

00:10:04.460 settings. I like that. Sometimes you don't know what's wrong with the computer. It's just the

00:10:07.540 thing isn't working. Just like turn it off, turn it back on. And, and we are so far away from factory

00:10:14.280 settings. Factory settings are 1776 settings. That's what we need in this country. Yeah,

00:10:19.900 it is. 1791. I love, I love that. This is a period in between, right? Yeah. The whole,

00:10:24.640 the whole period of it. Yeah. That whole era. The Declaration of Independence. All the way

00:10:27.880 through 1789. To the Bill of Rights. Yes, exactly. When you have the Bill of Rights and the Declaration

00:10:31.760 of Independence, you have everything you need. That's right. Everything you need. It's,

00:10:34.900 it's set it into motion. And I really like that. Factory settings. It is. That's what we need

00:10:39.580 to restore. And I think that some of, sometimes political partisanship, I mean, to tell you the

00:10:44.400 truth, I was not drawn to partisan politics, right? So, so when I stepped down from my, I

00:10:48.500 mean, who is, but you know, I stepped down from my biotech company. I knew I wanted to,

00:10:52.340 you know, participate in driving a change in this country. I actually thought about running

00:10:56.440 for U S Senate for all of like two weeks and then decided there was an open seat in Ohio.

00:11:01.360 I decided, no, no, no, we're going to do it. You know, write, write books, start a new company,

00:11:04.840 focus on learning from your lessons in the private sector to apply it through new entrepreneurial

00:11:08.540 adventure. But part of what I don't think of myself as entering even politics in this

00:11:12.880 presidential race, even though technically, I guess I am, but it's a technical matter.

00:11:16.880 I'm going to be on a ballot. But, but, but the thing is this, I think that a lot of Republicans

00:11:23.320 and Democrats too, I think are making this mistake to sort of frame the current moment through the

00:11:28.580 lens of partisan politics and then play a 50, 50 tug of war. There's 50% of the country on this side,

00:11:34.700 50% of this side. And you know, who wins by 51, 49 or whatever.

00:11:38.540 I think it basically misses the real political divide in this country. It's a seven. It's kind

00:11:45.540 of what you said. It's a 1776 moment where there's the basic ideals that set this nation into motion.

00:11:51.880 I don't care if you're Democrat or Republican or black or white or whatever, right? We can debate

00:11:56.420 corporate tax rates sometime. We can debate whether Ivermectin treats COVID. We'll have our space for

00:12:00.940 that, but those are details. Okay. On the basic rules of the road, free speech, open debate to settle

00:12:07.060 political questions. The idea that the people we elect, whoever thought ought to be the people

00:12:11.380 who actually run the government, right? Merit, excellence, basic ideas, self-governance over

00:12:16.000 this modern aristocracy. Are you on board with those basic ideals or not? And I think that there's a

00:12:22.060 lot of people whose answer to that question is that they're not, but it's only about 20% of the country.

00:12:26.800 But it is also, I bet you about 5% of that 20 don't know them. They don't know what they are.

00:12:34.680 They don't even know what they are. That's right. It doesn't even have to be 20%. It may even be

00:12:37.620 smaller. Yeah. It's been twisted and bent to mean something that it didn't mean. Especially if

00:12:42.960 they're under the age of 40. I think that's especially true, right? And so I just prefer

00:12:47.740 us looking at, let's just say the next 18 months, right? Let's not make this about Republicans

00:12:54.060 and Democrats because it would be missing the point. It is about whether you're pro-American

00:12:58.660 or dare I say it, anti-American. I mean, that's a word that you're not supposed to. I think there's

00:13:04.200 an anti-American strain in our country right now. Big time. But the good news is if we frame this

00:13:10.000 that way and make this race about the essence of what it means to be an American, what are the values

00:13:16.540 and commitments that define your citizenship and your allegiance and your commitments, your basic

00:13:22.120 values as an American. I think the next election can be a landslide. I think 2024 can be like

00:13:28.260 Reagan in 1980, can be like Reagan in 84. And I couldn't think of something more unifying for the

00:13:34.200 country than an actual tangible result like that to hang our hat on so that we can go back to debating

00:13:39.000 corporate tax rates, but do so under conditions of free speech. What does, see, that used to be the

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00:14:41.580 four relief relief factor.com. When I was growing up, my father and everybody else that I knew at the

00:14:49.420 time, they could talk to Democrats and Republicans and they'd have huge disagreements. Yeah. But those

00:14:55.560 were policies. That's right. They agreed on the principles. We don't agree on principles anymore

00:15:01.580 and nobody is talking about them. So let me go to the principles. What, what does it mean to be an

00:15:08.080 American? So I think I'm going to go in no particular order here, but I think among other

00:15:13.080 things, it means that you believe in the pursuit of excellence and merit. Okay. That you actually get

00:15:18.960 ahead in this country. As Martin Luther King said it, not in the color of your skin, but on the

00:15:23.280 content of your character and your contributions that your own hard work, commitment and dedication

00:15:28.460 get you ahead in this country means you believe in the rule of law. I mean, tangibly, what does that

00:15:33.160 mean today? It means that your first act of entering this country can't be a lawbreaking one. We can talk

00:15:36.460 about the policies that follow these principles, but back to the principles. It means you believe

00:15:40.420 in the rule of law, that we're a nation of laws, not of men. And then perhaps one of the biggest

00:15:45.300 ones of all is that we, the people decide how we settle our political differences. We, the people

00:15:52.080 decide how we're governed. Not somebody sitting in the back of a palace wall in old world Europe,

00:15:56.960 not somebody sitting in a back room of park Avenue today for better or worse. And this is a crucial

00:16:02.380 part of the American bargain. And I think we should be open about this sometimes for the better.

00:16:07.540 And even sometimes when we get it wrong, maybe for the worse, we, the people as citizens decide

00:16:13.000 how we move our political future forward, where everyone's voice and vote counts equally,

00:16:18.560 regardless of the number of green pieces of paper you control in the market, regardless of what your

00:16:23.260 genetically inherited attributes are, the citizens of this nation govern themselves. I think that's a big

00:16:28.120 part of what it means to be American. And I think there's one more piece to this, Glenn, which, which I

00:16:32.020 think we've missed in the last 10 years, which is just take those set of ideals. And I could enumerate

00:16:35.680 a few more and they're, they're all grounded in the founding of this country, but there's one more

00:16:38.840 piece of it that, that, that started at the founding, but it actually is everything that happened since

00:16:43.700 then, all the way through the cold war actually is that set of ideals, our conviction that those ideals

00:16:51.920 are exceptional, that those ideals make us exceptional, that those ideals are what American

00:16:57.380 exceptionalism is actually all about. It's not about the exceptionalism of the geographic space,

00:17:01.060 beautiful as our country is. So the exceptionalism of the ideas that set those,

00:17:05.320 set this entire nation into motion and just a conviction that we have a responsibility to

00:17:10.380 preserve them because the rest of the free world looks up to them as their example. That too

00:17:15.600 is actually part of what it really means to be American today, not just in 1776, because those guys

00:17:20.480 didn't know that that was going to be the case. They may have had some vision and hope for it,

00:17:24.640 but they set it into motion. But part of what it means to be American is to embrace that

00:17:28.140 with unapologetic pride and even responsibility to say that this isn't just about making America

00:17:33.840 itself. The world, the free world, the world, as we know, it depends on America being itself too.

00:17:40.480 And to me, that, that is this idea of American exceptionalism. That's what it means to be American

00:17:43.340 too. Let's talk about American exceptions a little bit. It has been denigrated by people who do not like

00:17:50.160 America or who have only focused on the bad things on the flip side. You have people who are raw,

00:17:56.860 raw America and it's red, white, and blue and Eagle. And there's an F 16. Okay. Um, and neither of

00:18:03.220 those are true. Um, and, and we have, we have so distorted, um, on both sides who we truly are. You know,

00:18:17.260 when I, uh, my favorite person in history is Churchill. Love him, love him. But you read about

00:18:23.460 him from Indian historians. He's a monster. He really can attest to that. He's a monster. So

00:18:31.680 which is he? He's both. And we're both. And we have to accept that we're both, you know,

00:18:42.000 half the country is losing the faith. I mean, I am so close, so close. I have days. I've never had

00:18:50.100 this before. I have days now where I am so ashamed of my country, not for the past, but for right now,

00:18:57.600 so ashamed of my country, I would renounce my citizenship. Oh, if there was a better place to

00:19:04.040 go, but there's not, there's not a process of elimination. It shouldn't be a basis for American

00:19:08.280 pride. Right. But I I'd go any place that said the bill of rights. I go to any place that had,

00:19:15.640 I don't think you can make a better mission statement. And that's what our declaration of

00:19:20.100 independence is. That second paragraph is our mission statement. That is it. Mission statements

00:19:24.840 are never fully accomplished because if they are, you need a new mission statement. You know,

00:19:30.580 this is what we're striving for. And we have to have forgiveness for the mistakes,

00:19:36.360 but we also have to learn from those mistakes. And there's zero learning curve. In fact, we're,

00:19:43.680 we are just going back into the darkest places we've ever been.

00:19:48.080 I think there's something really deep about what you said, right? I think that it's not just about

00:19:53.700 idolatry. American exceptional F-16s and eagles and red, white, and blue flags, right? That's just

00:19:59.660 idol worship. You have to understand what does that symbolize? And what it symbolizes has a fraught,

00:20:06.080 history beneath it. Why is it fraught though? Even our worst hypocrisies are only made possible

00:20:13.040 by the fact that we had a bill of rights at all, that we had a declaration of independence at all,

00:20:17.960 that we had ideals. I mean, go to communist China today, you say what you will about them.

00:20:23.060 You're never going to be able to call them a hypocrite because in order to be a hypocrite,

00:20:27.400 you have to have ideals. So in a certain sense, the failures that I think the modern left or

00:20:32.420 whatever obsesses over, it's proof of the fact that we have ideals that we measure ourselves

00:20:37.820 against. We are fallen human beings. We're human beings. We're not God. We're not gods roaming a

00:20:42.700 divine landscape. This is earth. We're human beings in the real world who fall short of the ideals we

00:20:48.280 set for ourselves. But that's what America is. It's not about perfection. Is it the pursuit of

00:20:53.320 perfection? The pursuit of liberty? The pursuit of happiness? The pursuit of justice?

00:20:57.740 America is, in many ways, it used the word striving. It's a word near and dear to my heart

00:21:02.620 too, but we choose that for a reason. America itself is about, it's not static.

00:21:08.020 It's about the pursuit. It's about the journey to where we will go and maybe the whole journey to

00:21:12.840 take that promised land analogy. Maybe we never get there because the whole promised land was the

00:21:18.940 pursuit of it itself. That is the American identity. And our commitment to that, that's part of what

00:21:24.300 American exceptionalism is about too, because no other nation in human history has its national

00:21:29.420 identity grounded in principles in the way that we do. And I think that that's a great invention such

00:21:34.800 that, you know what, you know, so I grew up in a Hindu tradition, right? So I was raised Hindu. I'm

00:21:39.600 Hindu today. There's this idea of, you know, the reincarnation of the actual soul. It's a metaphor,

00:21:47.060 really. People read these things very literally, but it's a metaphor for taking the essence of what is

00:21:52.160 true. You know, the flesh, the idol, whatever, that's artificial. Nations don't have to die the

00:21:59.180 way people do. They can be constantly reborn as something else. So if you took, if you told me

00:22:03.260 we were taking the constitution and the declaration of independence and the bill of rights and the

00:22:08.240 vision that set this nation to motion, and it was reborn in something else that you called,

00:22:13.340 you know, what you said on a bad day, a different country that you want to be a part of. Great.

00:22:16.920 That country is America. That's the way I look at it. This is just a hollowed out husk of itself.

00:22:21.120 But you know what? I don't think we're quite there. I actually think there's on a much more

00:22:25.440 practical level with that philosophical backdrop to one side. I think this is an assertion. I don't

00:22:31.460 have polling data to back this up. Only the fact that I've traveled a majority of states in this

00:22:34.720 country in the last couple of years. And I know my neighbors in central Ohio, where if you take a

00:22:38.940 cross section of it, that's a pretty good cross section of the country. Actually, I think that most

00:22:43.940 Americans believe in these basic ideals, the ones you and I just talked about from self-governance to

00:22:48.600 free speech to merit and so on. Most Americans, not all of them, most of them agree on these ideals.

00:22:55.180 And most of them, even further than that, I think deeply believe and think that their neighbors and

00:23:03.000 their colleagues are good and their classmates are good and believe these things to be true also.

00:23:09.020 But they can't be quite sure anymore because you're not allowed to talk about it in the open.

00:23:14.200 Correct. Right. So the first step for me is, and that's what creates this culture of fear.

00:23:19.000 Fear is infectious. I'm going to use an analogy from chemistry here. Okay. But fear is infectious

00:23:25.560 and it spreads automatically. But courage can be contagious too. It just requires a higher

00:23:32.340 activation energy. What does that mean? It requires a greater critical mass of people to

00:23:36.380 exhibit courage. But after you do that, it's a hair trigger away from an epidemic of courage too.

00:23:40.980 I think we can get there. One of the entire premises for, I mean, less this presidential

00:23:46.420 campaign, but that too, but what I've been doing over the last three years, a lot of what you do,

00:23:50.260 I think is in service of getting us over that activation energy, that hump, where once we get

00:23:56.700 there, we're a hair's trigger away from a national revival. Because the reality is, I think 80% of this

00:24:01.820 country agrees on those basic principles. There's been a perversion for all the reasons, you know,

00:24:06.480 you and I are familiar with where the 20% of the anti-American strain through both institutional

00:24:12.020 control, through the culture of the fear they've created, through the perception of a culture that's

00:24:16.760 projected onto places like social media that aren't at all actually reflecting the real culture that

00:24:21.820 they're supposed to depict. And the media. And the media itself. Those are artificial, right? Those are

00:24:26.240 just projections. But the underlying reality, if we're able to actually rediscover the underlying

00:24:32.040 reality, I think we discover that it's not as hard as we might think, actually. That's why I'm

00:24:36.440 optimistic. That's why federalism is so right. Because all of these problems are happening in

00:24:42.480 power centers. That's right. But I go to my town, I go, I live in a small town up in Idaho. There are

00:24:50.120 Democrats, Republicans, Independents, and we could all sit down if it was our town and we could fix it.

00:24:56.380 We could fix it. But this, what they've created is this idea that it's so huge, there's no way to get

00:25:06.380 around it. You will sit down and shut up and take it because we know what's best. And people have,

00:25:15.780 you know, the Tea Party, big movement, but people believe, they didn't know the deep state. We didn't

00:25:22.740 know the deep state yet. We didn't know really what we were up against. We thought we were up

00:25:27.660 against some bad Republicans, you know, and some bad Democrats. Not a permanent state that actually

00:25:33.740 governed the whole show. Not a permanent state. Right? It was the wrong debate to no one's fault

00:25:38.700 because there was a deeper underlying cancer. Correct. But, you know, now we know, right? Okay. So

00:25:44.520 how do you, how do you cut that out? So, so I'll tell you, I mean, this is part of what compels me to

00:25:53.620 run for the presidency. Okay. I don't think even the best intentioned, capable, unifying leader can

00:26:00.880 take on that permanent state while still leaving it intact. I think you need to be willing to take

00:26:06.820 steps and the exercise of executive power as laid out in article to the constitution to do what a

00:26:12.840 president is constitutionally empowered to do. You have to shut down the administrative state.

00:26:17.860 Not. Well, it's under his direction. He can do it. Exactly. So, so this is what a lot of people

00:26:22.100 miss. If you don't mind getting into the details. No, not at all. Because this, this is the how is

00:26:27.480 also. I said the what and the why. Well, the how kind of matters too. Right? So, so the reason Trump

00:26:33.240 wasn't able to do it. Okay. I know a lot of the policy people who have served in the administration,

00:26:37.560 they've taken, you know, I would say delicate views around issues like civil service protections,

00:26:43.100 right? So Congress has these civil service protections that say that you can't be fired

00:26:46.880 for most positions in the federal government. Now, towards the very end, the Trump administration

00:26:50.880 came around to the schedule F sort of, I don't know if you're familiar with some of this stuff,

00:26:54.200 but they said, okay, well, we can be really clever and maybe find more employees we could fire than we

00:26:58.320 otherwise could. But as I'm going to get to in a second, that's the wrong framework. Okay.

00:27:02.200 You have these under Nixon, we have these laws that I think actually created the managerial cancer

00:27:09.880 what are called impoundment prevention provision. So there's a 1974 anti impoundment act that was

00:27:15.660 passed. What does it say? If Congress allocates money for a specific agency, even if the president

00:27:20.940 who's running the executive branch knows that it ought not be spent there, that it's going to go

00:27:25.460 to waste, fraud, abuse, not advancing the interests of the American people, that he still has to spend it

00:27:30.420 there per this congressional law. Then you have public employee union protection. So there's a

00:27:34.480 whole, there's a whole pieces to this edifice where a lot of time Republicans who, you know,

00:27:39.940 get it, get, you know, like I am up on a high horse against the deep state, we'll say that I'm going to

00:27:45.600 do these things, but we need to do it by repealing all of these provisions. I'm all in favor of repealing

00:27:50.920 them. Here's the dirty little secret. Not only Democrats, but even a lot of Republicans resist repealing

00:27:57.260 those kinds of protections because secretly deep down inside, they too are believers in the permanent

00:28:00.760 state. Correct. Well, this is why running for president is actually the right way to have a best fighting

00:28:06.080 chance of fixing this. In my view, I'm really explicit about this under article two of the

00:28:11.620 constitution. All of those laws are unconstitutional. And I bring a perspective from the private sector as

00:28:18.420 somebody who's actually built companies and run companies and fired people and fired people, hired people to

00:28:23.220 it. Exactly. To interpret an obvious fact of article two of the constitution, that if somebody

00:28:29.340 works for you and you can't fire them, that means they don't work for you. It means you work for them.

00:28:38.600 I would go so far as to say, it means you are their slave because you don't know why you're responsible

00:28:43.100 for what they do without even having any ability to direct it. And that's actually the unfortunate,

00:28:49.220 and I feel bad for him. That's an unfortunate position that president Trump found himself in.

00:28:53.820 He thought the people were working for him and he was draining the swamp. The swamp drained him

00:28:58.400 because if you can't fire them or you believe or your advisors and your legal teams, et cetera,

00:29:02.280 tell you you can't fire them, then that means you work for them. And you know what? That's exactly

00:29:06.280 how they view you. I see that in the federal government. I see it firsthand from my last journey

00:29:11.020 at Strive in the 50 states across this country, right? Go to a pension fund investment committee

00:29:16.020 or go to a pension fund board. They view a governor or a state treasurer as nothing more than a

00:29:21.300 nuisance, right? It's sort of a laughing scoff. We sort of say, oh, your attorney general,

00:29:26.140 your governor, and your treasurer had this to say, and yet here you are investing in an ESG

00:29:31.380 promoting BlackRock fund that made these votes. How do you square that? The answer I usually get is,

00:29:36.260 oh, I don't report to them. To which my response is, well, to whom exactly do you report then?

00:29:42.440 In which case you get no answer. Blank stare in responses that were an irrelevant question or

00:29:46.420 almost a cute question. Because obviously- Oh, I remember when I was young and naive.

00:29:50.680 Yeah, and I thought that too. No, no, you don't understand how it works. These guys are figuring.

00:29:54.100 Well, that problem starts with the federal government. And so my answer is, I think, you know, over the next

00:29:59.940 six months, we're going to literally delineate. I've identified one already.

00:30:04.460 Have you talked to a constitutional scholar on this?

00:30:07.040 I have. Yeah. And I think I'm going to be really frank about this. It is not uncontested,

00:30:13.580 right? There are a lot of people who will say that I'm dead wrong on this. I think there are a lot of

00:30:18.440 people who will say that, you know what, actually, though that hasn't been the way that it's been read

00:30:23.040 for the last 30 to 40 years, post-Nixon, post-anti-impoundment, that actually that is just a textual

00:30:29.680 reading of the Constitution. And that makes sense. And we've had textualists on the court.

00:30:33.360 So the other thing I've been doing is then studying up what the current Supreme Court would

00:30:38.060 actually think, because this is not the Supreme Court of 20 years ago. Yes. And so it is my view

00:30:42.440 that there's a real opportunity to not only do this. I'm going to do it by executive. I'm going

00:30:47.040 to be a team player, right? Well, if my prediction that this is going to be a landslide election,

00:30:51.020 let's say I'm the person who wins it, okay, is correct. Great. I'd rather work with Congress and the

00:30:55.640 Senate to do it. But even if it's majority Republicans, I'm not at all convinced that those

00:30:59.660 Republicans are going to come along for this ride, which is actually what matters. Because

00:31:02.660 like I said to you, I could care less about Republicans and Democrats. I care about self

00:31:05.580 governance. So I hope those Republicans will come along. I hope it's not just Republicans

00:31:09.260 in a landslide, but it's the right Republicans. But if it's not, I intend to act by executive

00:31:13.720 authority anyway, not because I'm a despot or I want to be despot, but because the Constitution

00:31:18.440 not only empowers a president to run the executive branch of the government, the Constitution

00:31:23.120 requires its responsibility for the president to run the executive branch of the government.

00:31:26.740 His cabinet. It is. And that means not just complaining to the media about it, as important

00:31:30.900 as exposing the problem was under Trump, it means actually doing something about it. And

00:31:34.780 that basic private sector perspective of just what an employment arrangement looks like reads

00:31:39.740 right onto what the Constitution demands. So then what's going to happen? They're going

00:31:42.660 to sue, right? Somebody who's somebody who gets fired is going to sue. So I can't make

00:31:47.620 any promises. I don't control what the Supreme Court does. But as you know, I'm a student

00:31:52.200 of these things and I like to at least have an educated view going in. I think there's

00:31:57.460 a real opportunity and a likelihood that the Supreme Court will take the same view of Article

00:32:02.840 2 of the Constitution that I do, which you know what that does? It codifies this in judicial

00:32:07.100 precedent. Those laws are gone. If you want to change it and you want a fourth branch of

00:32:11.420 government, be my guest and amend the Constitution. Try that with 75 percent of the states getting

00:32:15.500 behind it. Ain't going to happen because the people in this country believe in self-governance.

00:32:19.160 And in the meantime, the three branch system that we actually set in motion in 1776 is

00:32:23.980 the one that survives. So that's so when you think about like, why am I running for president?

00:32:28.560 Look, there's a part of this that's a cultural component, a cultural leadership component of

00:32:32.340 just reviving an American missing national identity to lead us by way of a national leader

00:32:37.800 who can offer vision and even symbolism of what this country can be. But part of it's the

00:32:42.220 hard stuff, right? Part of it's the actual knit and grit and technical of running the executive

00:32:47.140 branch of the government, which I'm sorry to say we haven't had a president who's actually done

00:32:50.820 since Ronald Reagan.

00:32:53.620 Quickly, and then back to the podcast, I want you to listen to something.

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00:33:00.740 insurance for that. No, it's in my name or he would have to get some special document. They would

00:33:05.760 call me, you know what he's calling you after I've stolen the title, borrowed against it or sold the

00:33:11.460 property or done whatever I've done with it. It's 60 to 90 days even figure out that they're the

00:33:16.340 victim of this crime. You know, by that point, you start getting foreclosure notices and you realize

00:33:20.620 you've got four mortgages on your house. Not only that, you don't even own your home anymore. It's

00:33:24.880 not even in your name. Okay, this guy got caught forging and refiling people's home titles. But

00:33:31.640 there's a lot of people that do this that don't ever get caught. This guy was caught. Home title fraud

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00:34:08.800 Reagan talked about closing up the Fed, closing up the Department of Education, and they destroyed him.

00:34:18.020 I mean, the Fed can do a lot of damage to a report to the president's approval rating.

00:34:25.300 Yeah. Oh, it's in their control, right? So here's my view on I mean, we're talking about monetary

00:34:30.420 policy here. Are you okay to geek out a little bit here? Yeah. So the entire premise behind the

00:34:39.360 modern Federal Reserve just misses the mark. Okay, there's this, you know, there's this thing called

00:34:45.760 the Phillips curve. Okay, the whole thing, the whole the whole modern monetary policy rests on this idea.

00:34:52.440 I don't know if we can see it, but I'll just explain it to you here. Okay, is is that there's a trade off

00:34:57.880 between inflation and employment. Okay. And so the Federal Reserve's job is to optimize across those by

00:35:05.480 playing God with the monetary system. There's so many things wrong with this. But the number one thing

00:35:10.540 that's wrong with it is that the premise is itself false. Actually, it's based on old British data,

00:35:17.320 outdated from a small sample set. And somehow that found its way into the bloodstream,

00:35:22.760 which means the Federal Reserve is actually hostile by definition, to employment in this

00:35:28.660 country. Because by definition, full employment on the Phillips curve model, where there's a trade

00:35:33.120 off between inflation and full employment, full employment is a signal of a humming economy that's

00:35:37.580 a predictor of inflation, which means they need to raise rates into that, and vice versa. So if that

00:35:42.620 whole premise is false, what does it even reveal? That's just the academic mistake. The deeper

00:35:47.580 mistake of hubris is to think that any central planner, and this is a form of central planning,

00:35:52.420 could have played God as the puppet master of how the economy runs from inflation to, you know,

00:35:58.240 to employment in the country's conditions anyway. So I think the Federal Reserve, look, if I was

00:36:03.880 starting from scratch and had a say in all central bank systems in the world, would we even have

00:36:08.860 central banks? No, we would not. Yeah. But, but I'm, I'm not just running as some theorist or like

00:36:14.620 some sort of, you know, idealist here. I'm running to run the federal government of the United States

00:36:20.060 and get us as close to those ideals as we can, short of abolishing the Federal Reserve, which I

00:36:24.580 couldn't, I told you I'm going to shut down the Department of Education. I'm going to shut down the

00:36:27.360 Department of Education. I can tell you the constitutional authority part of what we just discussed to make

00:36:31.180 that happen, and learning from the travails of Reagan and even Trump to do it. I will not tell you

00:36:35.400 that for the Federal Reserve. Here's what I will say. The scope of responsibility of the Federal

00:36:39.360 Reserve should be reduced to doing exactly one thing, and that is making sure that we're,

00:36:44.980 the dollar is a stable currency as measured versus a basket of commodities, period. That is the only

00:36:51.420 job in the Federal Reserve. In two years, I predict we will be at war and we will be introducing a

00:37:00.500 digital currency. The damage that we are doing to the dollar right now, I don't think, I think,

00:37:08.500 I think these people want to reset. Oh, that's what they're called. There's a reason they invented

00:37:14.220 the term. Correct. So they want to reset everything, and they know, unless they know something about the,

00:37:22.040 the polling that I don't know, they know that there's a chance their rule ends in two years,

00:37:29.040 they are going to accelerate and do whatever they have to do to get that dollar to collapse so they

00:37:37.260 can have their digital currency and complete control. That's right. And get it so it's so crazy

00:37:44.220 with war that there's just no way of going back. Just one citizen to another here, okay? Can you,

00:37:49.360 but you're in a position to actually do this. I'll do what I can do. Anybody who's worth their

00:37:55.560 salt as a Republican candidate should be able to, without batting an eye, at least make a simple

00:38:00.000 commitment that they will stand opposed to the adoption of central banking digital currencies in

00:38:03.940 the United States. But here's how it's going to happen. Full stop. But I agree with you. I haven't

00:38:07.560 heard enough Republicans even say it. I just want, I just want, I mean, from Ron DeSantis to Nikki Haley to

00:38:11.520 Donald Trump, I want you, I want, I want you to be on record with me to be at least clear that this is

00:38:17.200 where we are drawing hard lines with respect to the final domino. I think we need to go in the

00:38:21.800 other direction of just constraining the scope of the Federal Reserve itself. But to the extent you

00:38:25.020 talk to these people, I mean, this has to be, some of them may not even know what it is, but we need

00:38:29.200 to actually, that needs to be a hard commitment. I talk to, I talk to people on the Intelligence

00:38:36.100 Committee. I mean, I've talked to so many people. Look, I'm 60, but I'm not dead. These people have

00:38:45.140 been in Washington for so long and they're 60, 70, 80, 90. They have no idea what digital currency

00:38:55.000 even means. We've got to have younger generation running this country. And you know what? Some of

00:39:01.800 the younger generation, I mean, somebody could be 50 and they're still dead inside because they've

00:39:04.880 still been in Washington for 20 years. And I'm not saying it's, it's, but we need a vitality of

00:39:09.920 actually, I mean, speaking of the founding, right? We talked about the principles. We probably skipped

00:39:15.280 an important topic actually, because it relates to this. We didn't talk about the founding culture

00:39:20.300 of the country. There was a culture of curiosity, right? The people who were in the equivalent of

00:39:25.620 Washington DC back then, I mean, Thomas Jefferson sat there and wrote the, took a pen and wrote the

00:39:31.300 Declaration of Independence. He was sitting in this chair. So he said, you know, it's uncomfortable.

00:39:34.100 I need a long time to write it. I'm just going to invent the swivel chair. Well, today what we say is,

00:39:37.900 oh no, no, no, you're not an expert. You're not part of the expert class. You weren't trained as

00:39:41.760 an engineer. He said, screw that. I will actually be an autodidact, teach myself because I'm curious.

00:39:47.000 I'm interested. Benjamin Franklin from the, from the, you know, from the bifocal lens to

00:39:51.500 scientific experimentation, to the fact that he's also a political philosopher.

00:39:56.220 The potbelly stove.

00:39:57.300 Of course, the potbelly stove. Absolutely.

00:40:00.060 These guys were so unique.

00:40:01.940 That was a culture. That was one of the principles. It's just, is there something in the water back then?

00:40:05.400 But it was not, it was known the world over. There's a article, um, in the, uh, the London

00:40:15.020 times from the period that says, uh, Benjamin Franklin is back in like 76. Oh yeah. Yeah. Okay.

00:40:23.160 Yeah. Like 70, 76, 75, somewhere in that. Benjamin Franklin is coming over and he's on this ship and

00:40:29.540 it's docking at this time. Do not be anywhere near that. He has some sort of a ray gun that he has

00:40:39.000 been, uh, crafting and he's going to decimate, uh, the entire city of, of London. I mean,

00:40:48.420 they were so far ahead that people thought it was like magic. He's doing something with the

00:40:54.760 lightning bolts. I love that. I love that. I know. Good for Benjamin Franklin. I know. And you know,

00:41:00.200 where are the Benjamin Franklin's of our time, right? Where are the Thomas Jefferson's of our

00:41:04.500 time? We have them, but they don't believe in the bill of rights. Yeah. They don't believe in the

00:41:10.560 bill of, but, but, but, but to me, when I ask where are the Benjamin Franklin's or the Thomas

00:41:14.320 Jefferson's of our time, that includes believing in the bill of rights. Yes. Okay. So to me, it's,

00:41:18.220 it's the fusion of those two things, the hunger, the intellectual curiosity,

00:41:21.680 the belief in boundless frontiers that human innovation and ingenuity can power us to go

00:41:26.980 there rather than to forever stay here, but to do so guided by the principles that got us here in

00:41:31.680 the first place. That was our founding culture. That's what we're missing in Washington, DC too.

00:41:36.880 So part of the problem is, I mean, you've got different categories of people back to this issue

00:41:40.460 of digital currencies, right? You'll have people at one camp that will say something like,

00:41:44.660 we got to stay competitive with China. Okay. But this is, and some Republicans will say this too.

00:41:48.980 I mean, is this such a boneheaded argument that I am reluctant to dignify it with even a response,

00:41:55.960 but suffice to say that, ask yourself why China wants digital currencies. Might you suppose that

00:42:01.880 they actually want to turn their social credit system and create a permanent architecture for it?

00:42:06.820 So why on earth would we want to copy them unless actually we wanted to do the same thing?

00:42:09.920 China is the new model. If I hear that from one more business person, I'm going to lose my mind.

00:42:15.580 China, Glenn, China is the new model. I don't want to be that.

00:42:18.320 You don't want to be that because they're doing it for a reason. Now, some people here

00:42:22.280 cynically may be doing it for that reason too, but the rest of them, especially in the Republican

00:42:25.140 party are just doing it to go along for them because they don't, because they don't think

00:42:27.860 any, they're not independent thinkers. They're just going through the motions. So there's that camp.

00:42:31.620 Then there's the camp that'll say something like, you know, I mean, I get this response,

00:42:36.720 right? I've spoken to half a Congress. I've spoken to the Republicans. Every time I'm in DC,

00:42:40.260 we'll, you know, we'll meet with a group of senators or Republican, you know, is in Congress

00:42:44.420 or whatever. And it's sort of just like a, like I'm like, I'm like a over-enthusiastic

00:42:49.240 kid or something, right?

00:42:50.380 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But back to talking about, you know, Medicare or social security

00:42:55.680 or whatever. And not to say those aren't important questions, but these are the things that serious

00:42:59.180 people in Washington DC are concerned about what the American people want. And if I hear

00:43:04.580 this phrase, when we're to kitchen table issues, it's just like, everything's a kitchen table

00:43:08.420 issue. If you're, if somebody controls your kitchen, right?

00:43:10.720 Yeah. So, so, so that's, there's that camp. And I think that's a big part of the camp

00:43:15.100 too, which to me is what's missing in that founding culture is, okay, I'm telling you

00:43:19.240 about something here. Do you not have the slightest bit of at least intellectual curiosity

00:43:23.680 to even learn what we just said, as opposed to just giving a pat on the back and say, yes,

00:43:29.360 you know, you need to, thanks for doing great work. You're a great patriot. That means nothing

00:43:34.480 to me because I know you didn't process what we just discussed. And then there's the, there's,

00:43:38.600 there's the camp of people who I think actually are hungry to understand that the threats to

00:43:44.260 liberty present themselves in new forms. And part of why, whether it's ESG or CBDC, that

00:43:50.800 it presents itself in the form of acronyms is that it was designed to bore you into submission.

00:43:56.060 Yes.

00:43:56.420 And so that's why we need to wake up to that. And so anyway, I just think that when we talk

00:44:00.600 about the 1776 moment, yes, it's the principles, but we got to study these guys. The spirit.

00:44:05.680 We used to call it the spirit of 76. Oh, you didn't know that? It used to be called the

00:44:11.380 spirit of 76. Cool. That's kind of, that's kind of what it ought to be. The let's stay kind

00:44:19.860 of in this technological area here. I have, I have, I, I'm a wannabe futurist. I read all

00:44:30.960 of, you know, I love tech and I love the future. Dumb as a box of rocks. Can't tell

00:44:37.980 you how any of it works, but I love what's just over the horizon. Okay. And it's either

00:44:45.680 going to be fantastic or it is going to be the strongest prison man has ever seen. Apocalyptic

00:44:54.660 man will be over. And I've been saying it for 20 years. We have got to have philosophical

00:45:02.040 and ethical discussions about these things. That's right. And people are just starting

00:45:08.420 to get it. Unfortunately, this is exponential growth. You get it today. You're not going

00:45:14.960 to understand if you don't keep going, you're not going to understand what's happening in

00:45:18.900 12 months from now. Totally. I mean, the emergence of the metaverse is a big topic worth worthy of

00:45:24.360 discussion. I mean, the rise of AI and, you know, chat GPT is the latest thing in town.

00:45:28.460 So the, the moral framework for the rise in absence of that more in absence of filling

00:45:33.520 that moral vacuum we talked about earlier, right? We have that moral vacuum.

00:45:38.420 You would talk about the, the woke left or whatever that wants to prey on that vacuum.

00:45:42.880 Now imagine doing that with the supercharged turbo power of algorithmic force as well with

00:45:49.380 artificial intelligence. Then we're really working with something that we can wrap our

00:45:53.460 hands around. So, so, and Mark Zuckerberg was actually a year ahead of me at Harvard.

00:45:57.180 I, you know, adopted Facebook during its first year. I was a, as a freshman or sophomore back

00:46:02.320 then too. His insight wasn't a technological one. He is a brilliant technologist and recruited

00:46:08.680 even more brilliant ones to work for him to turn that into say what you will about the

00:46:12.540 company, at least a successful, you know, massively successful technological enterprise.

00:46:16.600 But his fundamental insight at the heart of the company wasn't even, it wasn't a technological

00:46:21.040 insight. It was an insight about human nature. The insight about human nature was that, you know

00:46:27.300 what, if I could get someone to let their insecurities click on one thing faster than

00:46:34.220 another thing, then that gives me a window into their soul. That's far deeper than they have

00:46:40.100 into their own. Actually, the first version of Facebook, you might remember this was actually

00:46:43.220 this, you know, he had this hot or not, right? Whether or not this was a hot picture or that

00:46:47.720 was a hot picture of some other classmate that he pulled from Harvard's own, you know,

00:46:50.780 directory of database of students. That was, that was the founding premise of Facebook.

00:46:54.420 It was calling a bluff on human nature. Okay. To say that you could bring out the base instincts

00:47:00.740 in us, but use the speed of somebody's action, click of a finger to gain a window into their soul

00:47:08.520 because they don't have a window into their own soul because they're suffering from that

00:47:11.080 vacuum as it exists. That was the back, that was the fundamental insight that formed the

00:47:16.020 backbone of the social media industry as we know it. Multi-trillion dollar industry to this

00:47:20.580 day to day. Twitter and everything came later and preying on the same vacuum. So, so I, that's

00:47:25.660 a long way of saying I agree with you that we have to actually get our moral foundation

00:47:30.400 straightened out as human beings in the offline world in order to fully harness the power for

00:47:38.060 human flourishing and prosperity, which I share your belief and interest in, but in order to get

00:47:42.720 it right, rather than to be consumed by it, we have to start with those basic rules of the road

00:47:47.660 and human first principles or else where AI and the algorithms will take us actually just exploit

00:47:51.980 and prey on our absence of actually doing it. In the news this week, uh, they are actually fighting

00:47:58.120 over cucumbers in, uh, in grocery stores in London. There is a vegetable and fruit shortage and in

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00:49:15.140 claim your free bacon. Promo code Glenn. You know, and I know two years from now is an election.

00:49:23.460 Then another six months, the president gets in that in the AI world is huge, is huge. Um, social media,

00:49:35.380 uh, uh, is, has destroyed, I think in many ways, our family, our children, our ideals,

00:49:43.480 it's exploited and brought out the worst in people in many ways. Um, AI is being programmed

00:49:52.140 by the same people. Of course it is. Okay. And I'm a capitalist, but you know, the capitalist system

00:50:00.500 with something that reaches inside of you and just exposes who you are and they keep it and you

00:50:08.720 don't know is so dangerous. So dangerous. The difference between decentralized capitalism

00:50:15.120 versus capitalism as a tool that's deputized by central authority. That's a, those are two

00:50:20.300 different. It's a shame. It's a shame that we use the same word capitalism when they're in the two

00:50:24.820 fundamentally different things. One is the use of market mechanisms wielded by a central body.

00:50:30.640 Fascism. Fascism. The other is a decentralized system of commerce against the backdrop of a

00:50:35.540 decentralized democratic self-governing nation. Right. Right. So those are two different things

00:50:39.280 and it's a shame we use the same word and that creates some confusion. But you know, let's talk

00:50:43.080 about the, on the, on the AI question here, what I'm seeing playing out just in plain sight,

00:50:48.340 even in the issue of censorship or idea censorship, et cetera, is this waterfall of political

00:50:52.880 accountability? Okay. So first the constitution sets into, into motion, a three part, three branch

00:50:58.260 system of government, separation of powers, all that stuff you and I love in the constitution.

00:51:03.160 They then delegate because of the inconveniences of actually passing laws. Yep. Who'd have ever

00:51:08.060 thought the system was designed to actually limit the passage of laws. Anyway, uh, delegates then its

00:51:13.220 authority to the administrative state, the alphabet soup, right? The FTC, SEC, FDA, you know, DOJ just goes

00:51:19.780 on, right? EPA, FAA, that alphabet soup. That's where 1.0 post-Dragon conservatives were focused

00:51:27.480 in and in an appropriate place to remain focused. But what's happening in plain sight is that ball

00:51:32.540 is moving. Okay. It's moving several steps down the cascade. That alphabet soup now delegates

00:51:37.800 political authority to a new alphabet soup of human actors at AMZN, MSFT, FB, GOOG, BLK,

00:51:46.880 BlackRock sticker, right? That, that's the new alphabet soup getting done through the back door.

00:51:52.180 What even the administrative state couldn't accomplish through the front door. But then

00:51:55.400 what are those guys doing? Cause, cause, cause we're always on the conservative camp playing

00:51:58.480 catch up. It's always a game of catch up. We're anywhere between one and two steps behind.

00:52:02.680 They're now using the final, uh, delegation of authority by decentralizing it and put it by, by

00:52:09.960 decentralizing it and just pinning it to AI. So that's the, no, no, no, we're not making those

00:52:14.600 decisions at all. Whatever those might be, it's just, it's just AI. So you'll see that in the

00:52:18.660 realm of censorship, but you'll see it in the realm of even financial decision-making through our,

00:52:22.560 one of our favorite topics, ESG. ESG meeting AI is just actually ceding authority to what appears

00:52:29.980 to be objective. And that goes back to human beings. What causes us to bend the knee? I'll tell

00:52:34.680 you a little funny story here that has nothing to do with politics, but I'll bring it back to this

00:52:37.920 conversation is, so I'm a tennis fanatic actually. Uh, do you watch, have you watched professional

00:52:43.000 tennis? Okay. So one of the things that happened in professional tennis in the last five years is

00:52:47.200 that they got rid of line judges. Human line judges no longer make the calls. It's just all done by

00:52:53.300 machine. But the funny thing was that actually in the first year, when they rolled this out,

00:52:58.780 you could literally see just on like instant replay with just like a video camera that like records it.

00:53:05.460 It was wrong because the system that was making the line calls, the way that technology works is it

00:53:11.520 doesn't actually take a photographic image of where the ball lands. It's making a, a computational

00:53:16.560 prediction of where the ball will land. And it took a while. So now it's super precise, but in the

00:53:21.960 first year it would get it wrong. But here's what would, here's what you'd see is the players didn't

00:53:26.620 argue. They used to argue with the line judges, right? You get John McEnroe, you get all the drama,

00:53:31.560 but once you got rid of the line judges, you pinned it to the AI, even when it was clearly a wrong

00:53:35.780 call, you don't argue because Hey, it's just the AI telling us. Correct. I just use that as a fun

00:53:39.860 analogy, but it's, but it's about a serious topic that when you do that for this waterfall

00:53:45.120 of political questions or moral questions or ethical questions and pin that to the AI to say

00:53:49.160 that who gets, who has in the social credit scoring system, it's not Larry Fink deciding,

00:53:54.480 it's not Joe Biden deciding, and it's just the AI deciding that this is the interest rate that you

00:53:58.820 ought to pay for your home loan or for your small business loan, or whether or not you get to say this

00:54:03.040 on the internet without actually being either explicitly censored or just algorithmically suppressed,

00:54:08.120 right? That's just the AI doing it. We as human beings have somehow this innate human instinct

00:54:14.160 to say that, well, if it's the AI, it's like converting Celsius to Fahrenheit. That's just a

00:54:18.680 question of objectivity. When in fact, they're using the equivalent of converting Celsius to

00:54:24.900 Fahrenheit to apply that same rubric to actually settling the questions that we ought to settle

00:54:30.400 as human beings, the old fashioned way through free speech and open debate. And we need to be prepare

00:54:35.000 ourselves to see the difference before we enter the brave new world of automatically ceding that

00:54:40.640 authority to algorithms. And that's what this whole metaverse is all about. The metaverse is

00:54:45.040 basically about dissolving the boundary between the online world and the offline world.

00:54:51.040 If you want to get, you know, drawn analogy here, that's actually part of the project of the

00:54:54.960 great reset, which I know is a passion of both of ours to analyze. It's actually about the

00:55:01.340 dissolution of boundaries between the public and private sector, the dissolution of boundaries

00:55:06.380 between nations, right? To say that these boundaries create inconveniences, that leaders can't solve

00:55:11.040 global problems unless they dissolve those boundaries. Well, this is the next frontier,

00:55:14.860 dissolving the boundary between the online and the offline world. Because once you dissolve that

00:55:19.160 boundary, it's a one-way ratchet. We don't go back in the other direction. We need to at least

00:55:23.640 prepare ourselves psychically, morally, ethically as human beings to fill our deepest needs for meaning

00:55:32.820 before that dissolution happens. Because once that happens, it's preying on that vacuum and it's game

00:55:38.980 over. So that's kind of how I see this two bifurcation. Either we're going to apocalyptic hell

00:55:44.780 or we're actually going to potentially a better place where we can still harness technology

00:55:48.640 to advance our human needs. So I know you're on a tough schedule. So I've got a couple of things I

00:55:54.880 just really want to hit with you that I'd love to hear your answers. You are, one way or another,

00:56:04.480 one of the big topics in the general will be abortion. How are you going to deal with that?

00:56:09.700 I'm pro-life. I don't know where your position is.

00:56:11.500 I'm pro-life. Okay, yeah. So I'm unapologetically pro-life. I think I picked it up in my Catholic

00:56:16.600 upbringing, in my Catholic education. I brought up Hindu, but I went to St. Xavier High School.

00:56:20.640 It's a moral issue for you. It's a moral issue for me, but it's not grounded in just because

00:56:26.580 the Pope said it, right? Because I'm, you know, that's not the reason. Logic gets me there. Okay,

00:56:31.740 when does, when do you treat someone, forget children or the unborn child, when do you say

00:56:39.280 that someone is dead, actually, on the back end of life? It's when brain activity stops.

00:56:44.160 Somebody will go to prison for ending the life of playing a role in ending the life of somebody who

00:56:50.420 still had brain activity. And there's a reason for that moral commitment, how he got there,

00:56:54.640 whether it's through a religious path or a secular path, that's where it is. When does brain activity

00:56:58.160 begin? At least at about six weeks, right? So it's completely inconsistent the way we treat,

00:57:03.660 I mean, our own intuitions, right? In the way we live our life on any other question other than

00:57:07.860 the question of pre-born life says that that's a life worthy of dignity and respect.

00:57:13.500 The full human respect that we accord to human beings here anyway. Clarence Thomas actually brought

00:57:18.540 it up pretty well in the Dobbs case. I don't know if you remember his Q&A and his exchange,

00:57:23.300 but nearly everyone agrees that, let's say there's a pregnant woman,

00:57:26.700 she's, you know, assaulted or battered, God forbid, things like this happen.

00:57:33.060 Should the perpetrator bear additional liability if it results in the death of the fetus?

00:57:37.840 Yes.

00:57:38.120 You'd be hard pressed to find an American where, if you weren't in the middle of an abortion

00:57:41.740 debate, but you just asked them that question in a vacuum, 99% of people are going to tell

00:57:45.900 you absolutely. And they'd be enraged at that person. Well, what does that tell you? We have

00:57:50.960 this basic intuition that that's a life. And so what's confounding it here is this idea of,

00:57:56.700 of, of sort of woman's autonomy over their own body, which, you know, we conservatives have

00:58:01.180 to grapple with. I think that what conservatives need to do better is own the issue of adoption

00:58:05.280 better, own the issue of childcare better. I think that, you know, the religious path to

00:58:10.880 get there for some would sort of say no to contraception. I just think that if you, depending

00:58:14.420 on what your paths are to being pro-life, I think being unapologetically pro-life involves

00:58:18.240 actually affirming the importance of what we can do, you know, to provide greater avenues

00:58:25.060 for painless adoption, painless even, or at least, at least with minimal sacrifice, childcare.

00:58:31.400 So I think we should talk more about that than we already do, but, you know, that won't be,

00:58:36.180 that won't be an issue where, you know, I have, I have something groundbreaking to say other

00:58:40.880 than to say, I'm happy with where Dobbs landed. And I'm glad that we finally resolved this

00:58:45.960 constitutional question.

00:58:46.860 Will you take the loyalty pledge for the GOP?

00:58:50.880 So I reluctantly already said that I would, on the expectation that every other candidate

00:58:56.880 does the same thing in the, I'm not a party man, I could care less for the GOP party apparatus,

00:59:02.720 but I think the debate stage is important. And I think that that's where we actually flesh

00:59:06.920 out this question of the what and the why. And you know what, if everyone on there in order

00:59:11.640 to get into that debate, Ronna McDaniel sets the rules, great. I think it's important we have

00:59:15.360 that debate on the expectation that everybody else makes the same commitment. Sure. I'll

00:59:19.180 support the nominee.

00:59:21.080 Have you put any thought into, um, Teddy Roosevelt is the guy who started the progressive party,

00:59:27.640 the bull moose party. He was a Republican. People don't get that. Progressivism is a disease

00:59:33.840 that eats the constitution and it's in both parties. It's in both parties. Um, however,

00:59:41.220 it's the system that we have. Uh, and some are looking at this and saying, please, let's not have

00:59:50.060 a whole bunch of people up there because it can really determine, uh, who wins at a much lower,

01:00:00.660 uh, uh, number. You know, if you've got eight people, I've heard this from DeSantis supporters.

01:00:07.740 Okay. They're saying, if you have a bunch of people, if it's just Donald Trump and him,

01:00:11.680 I hate the politics. I really dislike the, uh, the armchair political analysis. Let's talk about

01:00:17.600 the what, who cares about the politics in this, in the, in the numerical analysis of this and who

01:00:22.800 the heck knows anyway. Right. But put that to one side. And it also presumes that it should somehow

01:00:28.460 be a national objective to not get Donald Trump elected. I agree. Right. Like who said that was

01:00:33.280 somehow codified in stone. If Donald Trump is the peep is the person who the educated populace of

01:00:38.720 this country, when knowing all the facts without having the debates tilted or scales of debate

01:00:43.160 tilted by big tech, hiding information on the eve of an election. And I'm not, that's not a

01:00:47.960 theoretical that actually happened in the last election, but with, with free and fair flow of

01:00:52.080 information and free and fair elections of Donald Trump is the person who wins the, who the people

01:00:56.180 of this country want to run the country around the country. And it does irritate me a little bit.

01:00:59.740 There is this thing going on in the Republican donor class right now. And I get a little bit of

01:01:04.580 the, of the back chat from this too is, Hey man, you're, you're taking, you know, you're, you're

01:01:10.380 saying the things that Ron should be saying he's, he's, this is the time to say it. This is the time

01:01:17.300 to clear the slate. Let's elevate that. Right. And so I care about the what rather than this weird

01:01:23.940 obsession with sort of the puppet mastering that's quietly going on in the establishment or whatever

01:01:28.620 class of the Republican party, the people, what do we, what do we say? Self-governance over

01:01:33.600 aristocracy. I am bringing an agenda and a vision to the table that if I may say it, I don't like

01:01:39.840 to boast, but I just think it is factually true that is missing in the Republican party. Let's air

01:01:43.760 that and let's make that the objective of this year. Next year, the voters get to decide. Maybe

01:01:48.080 it's me, maybe it's DeSantis, maybe it's Trump, maybe it's somebody else. That's up to the voters

01:01:52.080 to decide, not somebody else who's a puppet master trying to play the engineering game of limiting the

01:01:56.280 candidates, the number of candidates on the debate stage. And that's actually how we revive a national

01:02:01.180 identity is by actually living it in the way we even run and conduct this party or this primary

01:02:06.440 process. You have made me think of Thomas Jefferson several times. He said, in the end, trust the

01:02:13.960 American people. They may get it wrong, but eventually they'll get it right. Trust the people. And that's

01:02:18.560 the problem with the parties, with on both sides, with the elites, they don't trust the people.

01:02:23.700 That was the 1776 bet. Yes. Um, so, uh, you know, you also just said, uh, I think you,

01:02:32.720 you have to live it, um, and live the principles. Um, when you look at your, um, biotechnology

01:02:44.200 background, people will say, uh, well, he's part of biotech. I love this. The people who hated

01:02:52.600 pharmaceutical companies now love them. And the people who said, no, I don't love pharmaceutical

01:02:58.320 companies, but they do a lot of good now hate them. Um, and then you, um, you also have the

01:03:04.980 thing with, uh, China where you're saying, what is your China policy? You're going to ban.

01:03:09.520 Yeah. I have a, I have a detailed China policy, but broadly speaking, speaking of our Thomas

01:03:13.600 Jefferson analogy, declaration of independence from China. That is the declaration of independence

01:03:20.740 in 2024. So, so it means economic decoupling from China until the CCP either falls or radically

01:03:26.700 reforms its behaviors. I think the latter is unlikely. I think the former is likelier than

01:03:30.560 people think. So I think China is in a vulnerable moment. And this is one where we got to get

01:03:34.720 into the geopolitics of this for this to be more than a talking point, but China is in a vulnerable

01:03:39.540 position right now. They are. Okay. Xi Jinping does what autocrats do. He shot himself and China in

01:03:45.580 the foot as part of his quest to hold onto what autocrats do hold onto power. Last October,

01:03:51.760 he took that unprecedented third term. He broke the chain of succession. You watched Hu Jintao

01:03:56.160 walk, get booted from that room. You know what I'm talking about, right? Get booted from that room

01:03:59.960 and that party meeting when Xi Jinping took that third term, right next to him, right? And Jack Ma

01:04:06.240 basically sends him to re-education camp now where Jack Ma is nowhere to be seen for even daring to

01:04:11.780 question a Chinese financial regulator. So what did he do though? In the process, he spooked a lot

01:04:17.260 of people. He tanked the Chinese economy, tanked the Chinese stock market, the COVID policy.

01:04:22.080 The COVID policy had as much to do with about COVID in China as our climate policy has to do with the

01:04:26.140 climate, which is nothing at all. It's just another gambit for control. But that leaves China pretty

01:04:30.420 vulnerable right now. And so I think we're working as part of what gives me the sense of urgency to make

01:04:34.860 sure I get in that office two years from now to actually do something. So how do you,

01:04:39.060 so what do we declare independence mean? Yeah, I didn't, I didn't answer your question yet,

01:04:42.320 which I can't, but I think there's a lot of things we can do.

01:04:45.640 Wait, wait, wait, wait. I want to, cause I think I know what it means. So if I have it right,

01:04:51.680 you have to answer the question. We get a lot of our, just our antibiotics, let alone all of our

01:04:56.820 medicine. Taking China out, which I agree with, causes unbelievable pain here. So how do we,

01:05:06.820 how do we balance that? How do we get there?

01:05:09.620 Yeah. So I'm making a calculated bet here. And I think that whether or not you know it,

01:05:15.100 you're taking an uncalculated risk is what we're doing right now. I'd rather turn that into a

01:05:18.700 calculated risk. Churchill, not Chamberlain. Okay. Let's think on the time scales of history rather

01:05:24.100 than electoral cycles. I was referring to Churchill because you brought him up earlier, right? That's

01:05:27.520 what I think the current American moment demands. And I think it requires willingness to make some

01:05:34.080 sacrifice. Now I can't guarantee this, but I think the more willing we are to make a sacrifice,

01:05:40.680 the less likely it is that we'll actually have to make one. I agree. So, so, so I can't,

01:05:45.500 I can't make any promises, but we put the best person in office. We have Churchill, not Chamberlain.

01:05:49.380 We get, but we're willing, what is willingness to make a sacrifice required? It requires knowledge

01:05:54.340 of what you're sacrificing for, which is what comes back to the 1776 moment, which is what comes back to

01:05:59.140 this missing national identity that I'm reviving. That's why I think this foreign policy and domestic

01:06:03.480 policy are inextricably intertwined, but specifically on China, there's some easy things we can do.

01:06:08.040 The first is abandoning climate religion. Okay. Which I don't get it, Glenn, why more Republicans

01:06:14.140 who privately agree with me will not say this out loud. I don't think there's a candidate in this

01:06:17.240 race who's yet said it out loud. Good thing about having me on the debate stage is this is going to

01:06:21.940 be the agenda by the end of the year, whether I'm the standard bearer or not. I'm running because I

01:06:25.580 want to be, but abandoned climate religion that shackles the United States while leaving China

01:06:30.880 untouched. That's low hanging fruit. That's low hanging fruit. Get China out of the WTO

01:06:35.380 accountability for COVID-19. Now we know it began in a Chinese lab. Well, if you don't deliver

01:06:40.980 accountability, you can expect even worse in the future, right? Shame on me. First time, fool me

01:06:45.380 once. Shame on me. Fool me twice. Fool me once. Shame on you. Fool me twice. Shame on me. That's the

01:06:50.320 United States moment here. But, but I, but I like to also be transparent about it. Okay.

01:06:54.820 Okay. You're not making me go here, but I'm going to go here because I think I need to

01:06:58.980 be explicit and honest about what this policy actually means. It means we have to be willing

01:07:03.980 to ban most U.S. businesses from doing business in China until the CCP reforms its behaviors as a

01:07:14.760 mercantilist actor. Have you already done that with your businesses, any of your companies?

01:07:19.640 Yes. So strive when I started strive, not as a virtue signal. I'll tell you why I did it. We had to do it

01:07:24.820 for strive business model to work. I committed that strive would not do business in China,

01:07:30.580 period. That's something that no other asset manager or financial major financial institution

01:07:35.400 in the United States has ever done. And why did I do it? Is it because I dislike China or whatever?

01:07:39.000 I have my own personal feelings. That's not why strive's whole premise. And you know, this was

01:07:43.220 to be a fiduciary for us clients. That means looking after their best interest when you vote their

01:07:48.980 shares. And when you, when you deliver shareholder mandates to corporate America, you can't do that.

01:07:52.780 If you have two masters and the BlackRock's problem or Invesco's problem is that they have

01:07:58.540 the boot of the CCP on their neck, where if BlackRock tells a company like Intel and puts them in their

01:08:05.380 China, Taiwan risk focus universe, which they don't have, that's going to be a problem for their line

01:08:11.420 of business in China because BlackRock sells mutual funds in China. But you know what BlackRock's done

01:08:16.100 instead? They put Intel, one of America's leading semiconductor manufacturers, in their

01:08:21.860 climate focus universe. The list of companies that ought to focus on addressing climate related

01:08:28.420 issues. This is a semiconductor company. This is a company that's potentially whose semiconductors

01:08:33.780 are vital to protecting us against the risk that China invades Taiwan. And yet we're talking about

01:08:38.420 the climate focus universe? On what earth? It's not an accident. It's because, you know what?

01:08:44.240 The CCP gives them an attaboy when they constrain the United States without laying a touch in Petro

01:08:49.640 China, where BlackRock's also one of the largest shareholders, doesn't apply those emissions caps

01:08:53.600 over there. So anyway, back to starting Strive. I could not in good conscience say that even though

01:08:59.560 that's a big market opportunity for the shareholders of Strive, we can't pursue that opportunity and also

01:09:06.940 claim to be a good vocal fiduciary for American clients in the boardrooms of US companies. And that's

01:09:12.060 really important. And I've seen this firsthand. I'm not, I'm not, this is not coming from reading

01:09:16.300 in a book, right? I was an exchange student in China. I went to Harvard for college. I did an

01:09:20.260 exchange program. I was a student at the Peking University, which is the Harvard of China. Mayda,

01:09:25.540 they call it over there. I was an exchange student at Hong Kong University for another one of those

01:09:29.420 springs. I've done business in China in my, in my dealings as a biotech CEO, as Elon Musk,

01:09:34.980 others have people who have done business in China and who have been even educated at Chinese

01:09:39.980 universities and also have studied, you know, at Yale, you want to know there's a big center

01:09:43.360 that's paid for by China, right? You go there, you get your own re-education that the funding to

01:09:48.280 American universities, look at what's happening at UPenn. I understand this not as some sort of

01:09:53.320 scholar. I've tried to study this as much as I can, but first personally, based on my experiences,

01:09:58.120 and I think it is with that backing that I say that you need a US president who's willing to do the

01:10:04.020 hard thing. Yeah. To ban US businesses from doing business in China until the CCP reforms its

01:10:08.780 behaviors, that requires willingness to make sacrifice. We can do that if we know what we're

01:10:12.800 sacrificing for, but the best case scenario of all is if you're actually willing to,

01:10:16.620 then you don't have to, because they're more economically vulnerable than we are.

01:10:19.520 You pull that economic rug out. This might be the fall of the CCP in the next six years,

01:10:23.100 as we know, you don't ever make a threat. You make a promise. Yes. When you are promising

01:10:29.800 something, you don't ever have to threaten. Look, you guys have to change or we're not going to do

01:10:35.140 business with you. Exactly. That's much different because then they look at you and go,

01:10:39.200 I think he's serious. They really mean that. When that happens, then your negotiating power

01:10:44.580 completely changes. And that's how to run foreign policy. Guys, I can give you one more example

01:10:47.980 because it fit the bill so perfectly. That's the phone call to President Obrador. Actually,

01:10:51.560 it'll probably be a new president by January, 2025, but the president of Mexico, which is the same

01:10:55.840 thing for a fraction. And by the way, when I say fraction, I mean tiny fraction of what we are

01:11:01.560 spending protecting somebody else's border on the other side of the world, we could actually not

01:11:06.460 only protect our own border, but actually have a proper use case for the U.S. military to decimate

01:11:11.480 the cartels. And I think that phone call is, again, a promise. It is a promise to say that for a

01:11:16.120 fraction of what the last guy spent in God knows where in Ukraine, for a fraction of that, we can help

01:11:23.400 you and arm you to decimate the cartels. I know they're your sugar daddy. There's a new daddy in town.

01:11:28.760 We're going to help you solve this problem. And if you don't, we'll make a promise. We're gonna

01:11:33.400 solve it for you. We're gonna solve it for us. Because that's what's resulting in 80 to 100,000

01:11:38.340 fentanyl related deaths per year, not to mention the homelessness crisis, not to mention actually

01:11:42.660 even the violence increasingly on our side of the border from your failed narco state on the other

01:11:46.300 side of the Rio Grande. And if there's one job for the U.S. military, we believe it is to actually

01:11:50.740 protect our own soil. We're going to do it. That's not a threat. That's a promise. So I think that we

01:11:55.300 need leadership that takes that national identity. You can only do that if you're standing on strong

01:12:00.220 footing and believing in your nation, the ideals that your nation stands for, both to the rest of

01:12:04.440 the world and even to human history and posterity. But if we're doing that, that's what we're

01:12:08.500 protecting. We can declare independence from China. We can actually protect who would have ever thought

01:12:13.100 our own border with our own military. And I do believe that is a top use case for the U.S. military.

01:12:18.080 And I think this doesn't have to be that hard. I fully expect it to be harder than, you know,

01:12:24.300 the implementation. But if you're guided by a simple vision, I think everything that you and

01:12:29.920 I have talked about, and you can add ending affirmative action to the list because that's

01:12:32.680 also by executive order, but just take the set of things we've talked about. That's first six months

01:12:36.740 stuff, actually. And what if you're if you're not addicted to saying that I'm not I'm not hell bent on

01:12:42.880 saying this, that has to be two terms or whatever. I just want to get these things done.

01:12:45.840 That's what I care about. I care about the agenda. Get these things done.

01:12:50.980 Pass on the baton. That's fine. I hope I'm 37 years old. I hope there's going to be things that

01:12:55.440 I do after my presidency that are important for humanity, for the country in ways that go far

01:13:00.280 beyond politics. But getting these things done, we're working within a window now where

01:13:03.600 actually delivering those things gets us not to a national divorce, but to a national revival.

01:13:09.980 And I think we need to know where we're going in order to have that national revival. And we're at

01:13:14.160 this moment where national divorces comes up from time to time as a topic of conversation.

01:13:19.220 The more we talk about it, the more it might speak itself into existence. But I think we have an

01:13:22.980 alternative sitting hiding in plain sight. That is this national revival. And crazy it is, it is for

01:13:29.900 37 year old guy who's never held political office to say, I want to lead it. I think somebody's got to

01:13:34.840 it's not about me. Nobody's coming from on high to save us. If we're going to save this, if we're to be

01:13:40.560 saved, it's going to be, we're going to do it ourselves. But this would be the role that I

01:13:44.800 will volunteer to play. And, you know, if, if called by the people to do it and by God to do

01:13:49.220 it, then, then that's what I got to do. And that's, that's kind of what led me to this crazy idea.

01:13:54.280 I'd love to have you back. Thank you.

01:13:56.300 Thank you for having me.

01:13:57.400 Just a reminder, I'd love you to rate and subscribe to the podcast and pass this on to a friend so it

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The Glenn Beck Program - March 18, 2023

Ep 177 ｜ Why the 'Anti-Woke Crusader' Is Running for President ｜ Vivek Ramaswamy ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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