The Glenn Beck Program - Ep 180 ｜ Is Another ‘Jesus Revolution’ Upon Us？｜ Greg Laurie

00:00:00.000 In Matthew 16.3, Christ tells the Pharisees,

00:00:04.380 Today it's going to be stormy, and the sky is red and overcast.

00:00:09.080 You know how to interpret the appearance of the sky,

00:00:12.100 but you can't interpret the signs of the times.

00:00:16.360 Today's guest knows how to read the signs of the times.

00:00:19.580 These days, he serves as a senior pastor at Harvest Christian Fellowship,

00:00:24.600 but before that, he played a crucial role in the biggest Christian revolution in American history,

00:00:31.260 at least modern-day history.

00:00:33.280 A weird moment in the 1960s when the hippies gave up their LSD and joined hands with Jesus people,

00:00:41.600 and they all became Jesus people.

00:00:43.860 It's about the people within the hippie generation who truly did want peace and love,

00:00:53.600 and the old guard willing to be Christ-like.

00:00:58.060 His story is at the heart of the Jesus revolution.

00:01:02.000 It is his story.

00:01:03.420 Great new movie.

00:01:04.280 Kelsey Grammer is in it.

00:01:05.920 Jonathan Rumi, the actor who plays Jesus in The Chosen, is unbelievable.

00:01:11.500 The Jesus Revolution, that's the movie,

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00:01:18.800 People don't go to church because they're perfect and have all the answers.

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00:02:12.480 It is the power that's revealed on Easter,

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00:03:54.880 Hi, Greg.

00:03:56.820 Glenn, good to be with you.

00:03:58.020 Good to be with you.

00:03:58.660 I wanted to do this podcast.

00:04:00.360 We're Easter week, Good Friday.

00:04:05.320 I've asked my audience to join me on a fast in prayer for the nation.

00:04:10.820 Because we are just, we're,

00:04:13.240 we are the tale of two cities.

00:04:17.820 It is the best of times and the worst of times.

00:04:20.440 Yes.

00:04:20.740 The blessings that we have just over the horizon, game changing for all of humanity.

00:04:30.560 And at the same time, we're just destroying ourselves.

00:04:35.100 And I was talking to Jonathan Cahn today about the ancient gods that we are worshiping.

00:04:44.600 Yeah.

00:04:45.200 So we have that going on and that beats people down.

00:04:48.060 Right.

00:04:48.240 But we also have, I think, I hope, the beginning of what some people would call the third great awakening in America.

00:04:57.360 And you've been through the last Jesus revolution.

00:05:04.140 Right.

00:05:05.020 So I want to talk to you about that.

00:05:06.280 Okay.

00:05:06.540 Your movie is fantastic.

00:05:08.240 The Erwin brothers did a great job with your story.

00:05:10.620 Yeah.

00:05:10.840 So let's, let's go through it.

00:05:15.340 First, just for anybody who hasn't seen the movie or haven't heard your story, because the movie is your story.

00:05:20.680 Tell the, tell the story.

00:05:22.680 Well, it's the story of the last great spiritual awakening in America.

00:05:27.080 And it's interesting because the title of the film is Jesus revolution in the day.

00:05:31.960 We didn't call it that.

00:05:33.160 We called it the Jesus movement and we called ourselves Jesus people, which I kind of like, you know,

00:05:38.700 because you hear the word Christian, people load a lot of meaning to that, depending on your view of Christians,

00:05:45.680 but Jesus people, that's what it was about.

00:05:48.640 We were people that met Jesus quite literally.

00:05:51.400 I think those are different than some Christians.

00:05:54.240 Yeah.

00:05:54.740 You know?

00:05:55.320 Yeah.

00:05:55.500 And, and sometimes, uh, I mean, I've, I've thought about, you know, people say, what are you?

00:06:05.720 I'm a follower of Jesus Christ.

00:06:08.460 I'm a student of Jesus Christ.

00:06:11.240 There's too many people, just, uh, Christians.

00:06:14.560 It means dirty things.

00:06:17.140 Even if it's 400 years ago, it means dirty things.

00:06:20.620 Yeah.

00:06:20.900 Well, the Christians never called themselves Christians.

00:06:23.820 They, they call themselves followers of Jesus, followers of the way disciples.

00:06:28.940 Someone else called them Christians.

00:06:30.680 And it happened in a city called Antioch.

00:06:32.900 And it wasn't necessarily meant as a compliment, but it was meant as a description because a best definition of it is little Christ.

00:06:40.980 It's like, these people are like little Christ walking around.

00:06:44.800 And so, of course, we have adapted it and we believe it.

00:06:48.780 And it's, it's a biblical thing to call yourself a Christian, but there's other ways you can define yourself.

00:06:54.040 But for us, you know, we were people who came into a relationship with Jesus.

00:06:58.240 Uh, I, myself, you know, my mother was married and divorced seven times.

00:07:02.960 She was a raging alcoholic.

00:07:05.120 I had to grow up fast because I had to literally take care of her, even as a little boy.

00:07:09.800 And, uh, she would pass out almost every night from drinking.

00:07:13.640 She'd drive drunk.

00:07:14.900 I'd be in the car with her, you know, when I thought I was going to die.

00:07:18.480 And, uh, it was a really, really hard upbringing and she was a violent drunk.

00:07:23.300 She would get into fights with her husbands and one of them knocked her unconscious one night with a wooden statue.

00:07:29.100 And she was laying on the floor in a pool of blood.

00:07:32.120 And I'd climbed out the window and went to a neighbor's house and, and she left that guy.

00:07:36.820 But so this was my upbringing.

00:07:39.320 And so I knew as a kid, I thought, what is the meaning of life?

00:07:43.640 Cause I looked at this adult world I was exposed to, and I didn't know a single adult that I was impressed by or admire.

00:07:52.520 So the sixties thing is happening.

00:07:55.180 It's mid sixties now.

00:07:56.900 And we're hearing messages like, you know, turn on, tune in, drop out.

00:08:00.660 Right.

00:08:00.880 And I was believing that it made sense to me.

00:08:02.800 They said, don't trust anyone over 30.

00:08:04.980 That resonated with me.

00:08:06.260 Cause everyone I knew over 30, I didn't trust.

00:08:08.880 So I started using drugs and for a couple of years and I realized this is a dead end street.

00:08:15.940 Even before I was a Christian, I knew this is not the answer.

00:08:19.540 How did you know that?

00:08:20.660 Because I saw what it did to me.

00:08:23.120 And we tried to show this in the film.

00:08:25.160 We tried to show that when we, when I start, when my character played by Joel Courtney goes down this road and meets Kathy, my girlfriend at the time played by Anna Grace Barlow.

00:08:36.200 So we're trying to show it looking exciting and a whole new world.

00:08:40.480 And at first it was, but that's what sin is like.

00:08:43.540 You know, it's exciting at first.

00:08:45.060 It's sort of like, it seems like a great idea to have six Krispy Kreme donuts until about 20 minutes later and you go into a food coma.

00:08:54.060 Right.

00:08:54.300 So, but it's far worse than that.

00:08:56.580 I like Krispy Kreme donuts fine, but I'm just saying.

00:08:59.200 No, I'm an alcoholic and I was just talking to somebody and we were talking about enabling people.

00:09:03.180 And I said, you know, there'll be days where the best thing you could do for me to help me through just that moment would be to hand me a drink.

00:09:11.600 Yeah.

00:09:12.300 But that would be the worst thing for me because it's a destroyer for people like me.

00:09:18.320 Right.

00:09:18.580 So I, so I came to Christ and my high school campus.

00:09:22.920 So what happened?

00:09:23.520 I'm walking across my high school campus.

00:09:25.960 I'm empty.

00:09:26.920 I'm disillusioned.

00:09:27.960 I'm searching.

00:09:28.620 And I came across a group of these Christians.

00:09:31.040 We called them Jesus freaks and we thought they're nuts.

00:09:34.420 I want nothing to do with these people.

00:09:36.120 They carry Bibles to school.

00:09:37.400 They talk about God.

00:09:38.320 They're all crazy.

00:09:39.620 But I sat down one day out of curiosity because I thought, why would anyone believe this?

00:09:45.460 And I was very cynical at 17 because of all that I've been exposed to.

00:09:50.040 And I was looking at them and the problem was I knew a couple of them personally and I used to party with them and I knew they weren't crazy.

00:09:57.600 So I had to rethink it.

00:09:59.640 And as I watched them singing songs about God, I thought, you know, they look pretty happy.

00:10:05.040 And then I just tried this thought on first eyes.

00:10:07.820 What if they're right and it's all true?

00:10:09.940 I thought, that's ridiculous.

00:10:11.260 There's no way.

00:10:12.720 That thought came back to me.

00:10:13.720 What if it's true?

00:10:14.480 It can't be true, I thought.

00:10:15.940 There's nothing like this that could be true.

00:10:17.820 You can't have this relationship with God.

00:10:20.460 Then a guy stands up and speaks.

00:10:22.260 Now he's called, his name is Lonnie Frisbee in real life.

00:10:25.020 He's played by Jonathan Rumi.

00:10:26.640 Who plays Jesus in The Chosen.

00:10:29.580 Yeah.

00:10:29.880 And he, the guy exudes Jesus.

00:10:32.840 He does.

00:10:33.360 Yeah.

00:10:33.740 So well.

00:10:34.380 And now this is a whole nother character, but he does so well in this character as well.

00:10:38.420 And he speaks, the real Lonnie speaks.

00:10:41.760 And I don't remember most of what he said, but one statement that resonated with me was,

00:10:47.020 Jesus said, you're for me or against me.

00:10:49.280 I looked around at the Christians.

00:10:50.760 I thought, okay, they're definitely for him.

00:10:52.940 I'm not one of them.

00:10:53.980 Does that mean I'm against God?

00:10:55.480 And I thought, I've always believed God was there.

00:10:59.400 I always believed Jesus was out there somewhere.

00:11:02.060 I'd seen all of his movies, right?

00:11:04.040 That was the extent of my theological training.

00:11:07.300 I'd never been to church ever.

00:11:09.760 I went a few couple of times with my grandparents as a very small boy.

00:11:13.360 So I'm like, this is all new to me.

00:11:15.400 And then he said, and if you want to accept Jesus Christ into your life right now, walk forward.

00:11:20.020 I'm thinking it's a high school campus at lunchtime.

00:11:22.260 I can't do this.

00:11:23.160 And a couple of kids walked forward and I just hung my head.

00:11:26.220 And I thought, there's no way I could ever do that.

00:11:28.880 And Glenn, next thing I knew, I was up there praying this prayer.

00:11:32.540 And as soon as I was done.

00:11:33.940 I was at a Billy Graham revival when I was 15.

00:11:36.400 Yeah.

00:11:36.580 Did the same thing.

00:11:37.380 Wow.

00:11:37.720 That's great.

00:11:38.360 I got to know Billy Graham quite well.

00:11:40.300 Me too.

00:11:40.820 He's sort of like my role model for evangelism.

00:11:43.600 He is my role model in just about everything.

00:11:45.900 Yeah.

00:11:46.260 I was saying to someone the other day who said they admired Billy.

00:11:49.020 I said, I can tell you privately, he was more impressive than he was publicly.

00:11:54.620 You know, he was humble.

00:11:56.340 He was very down to earth.

00:11:58.200 And when you would sit at a table with Billy, the first thing he'd say is, tell me about

00:12:01.980 yourself.

00:12:02.640 Yeah.

00:12:02.900 And he'd mean it.

00:12:03.820 And he'd listen because he really liked, he loved people.

00:12:07.800 Yeah.

00:12:08.080 He loved the Lord.

00:12:08.960 And he was the most humble man I've ever met and the most godly man I've ever met and

00:12:13.940 a very famous man.

00:12:15.320 Yeah.

00:12:15.640 But it did not go to his head.

00:12:17.800 But anyway, he's remarkable.

00:12:18.980 Anyway, go ahead.

00:12:19.380 So, well, I pray this prayer and I ask Christ to come into my life.

00:12:22.280 And, and so a couple of days pass and some guy comes to me and says, you need to come

00:12:25.920 to church with me.

00:12:26.740 And I said, oh, I don't really know that I want to go to church.

00:12:29.740 No, you need to come.

00:12:31.100 I'm going to take you to this church called Calvary Chapel.

00:12:33.320 I said, no, that's okay.

00:12:35.040 And this guy was persistent because you're coming.

00:12:36.880 Where do you live?

00:12:37.520 And he was persistent in the best way.

00:12:40.080 His name was Mark.

00:12:40.960 So he picks me up at my house and I go to this church called Calvary Chapel and I walk

00:12:45.980 right into the middle of a spiritual awakening and I didn't know it.

00:12:50.860 A lot of times we don't know what something is until some time passes.

00:12:54.380 Correct.

00:12:54.840 And now we look back in retrospect and we say that was a revival.

00:12:58.500 So it was Time Magazine that dubbed it the Jesus Revolution.

00:13:02.560 And I think that was very insightful of them because we didn't think of it as a revolution,

00:13:07.820 but in many ways it was because, you know, we're talking about sexual revolution back

00:13:13.140 in those days, political revolution, overthrow the government.

00:13:16.120 And we had a revolution, but a lot of people don't even know about it.

00:13:19.880 What year was this?

00:13:20.900 It would be approximately 1969 to around 1972 or so.

00:13:26.600 So what's interesting is the Jesus Revolution comes at the end of this movement for a revolution.

00:13:37.400 You know, why do you think that is?

00:13:40.300 What happened?

00:13:41.340 What made that go from drug, sex, and rock and roll to connecting to Jesus?

00:13:49.060 I think it was almost like a whole generation was experiencing what I was experiencing personally.

00:13:55.600 They saw the emptiness of it.

00:13:57.760 You know, our leaders were cut down before our eyes.

00:14:00.140 Earlier in the 60s, President Kennedy, of course, but then later, you know, Martin Luther King

00:14:06.040 and Robert Kennedy and then the Watergate scandal, of course, you know, happening.

00:14:11.880 And and then all of our rock icons dying in short order, ironically, all at the age of 27.

00:14:19.600 Jim Morrison, lead singer of The Doors, Janis Joplin, Jimi Hendrix, Brian Jones of the Rolling Stones.

00:14:26.900 So all these people are dying and this and we're seeing how empty it is.

00:14:31.480 It's like we went to psychedelic, psychedelic day glow colors to black and white.

00:14:37.320 And it was and it was, you know, really a drug.

00:14:40.060 Here's another way to look at it.

00:14:41.840 Woods from Woodstock to a concert called Altamont.

00:14:44.920 That was, you know, the security was done by Hell's Angels and the Stones are playing there.

00:14:49.080 So it was like everyone was seeing the hippie dream was dead because the hippie dream was not a dream.

00:14:55.940 It was an illusion.

00:14:57.380 It was never real.

00:14:58.320 But but it was pointing to something that was real.

00:15:01.240 There was some good things, love, brotherhood, acceptance.

00:15:05.660 But it was not realized.

00:15:07.580 But in faith in Christ, it can be realized.

00:15:10.880 And so you go to church and the way it's depicted, Kelsey Grammer is the pastor.

00:15:16.040 He does a great job.

00:15:16.920 He does.

00:15:17.080 And and and it's a lot like I remember going to church with my grandparents.

00:15:24.000 Oh, nice.

00:15:25.380 Before before it gets good with the people who are just.

00:15:28.980 Oh, I see.

00:15:29.360 Yes.

00:15:29.840 Dodgy.

00:15:30.500 Yeah.

00:15:30.780 And I remember those days as a kid because I'm younger, a bit younger than you.

00:15:36.920 And I remember those days and my grandmother and grandfather looking at hippies.

00:15:45.460 Yeah.

00:15:45.840 Because they associated them not with Jesus, but with the drug, sex and rock and roll.

00:15:51.940 And so that acceptance was hard for you, I would imagine.

00:15:56.940 Yeah.

00:15:57.360 Right.

00:15:57.820 Well, for me, I was looking for the.

00:16:00.220 Yeah.

00:16:00.540 One hundred percent.

00:16:01.720 And I think to Chuck's credit is he left his comfort zone and was willing to open the

00:16:07.740 doors to something that no one knew anything about.

00:16:10.260 We were experiencing this in real time.

00:16:12.500 Today, you go to a church, you see a worship band doing rock and roll.

00:16:16.100 Big deal.

00:16:16.700 It's everywhere.

00:16:17.900 Back in those days, there were no electric guitars.

00:16:20.140 There were no drum kits.

00:16:21.660 There were no.

00:16:22.560 It wasn't lighting in churches.

00:16:25.020 It was.

00:16:25.300 You were lucky you had a Hammond B3.

00:16:27.260 Yeah.

00:16:27.460 And there might be.

00:16:28.160 That's right.

00:16:29.000 Which is still a great instrument.

00:16:30.320 Yeah.

00:16:30.480 And the occasional acoustic guitar might show up for a little folk version of something.

00:16:35.560 Right.

00:16:35.860 Right.

00:16:36.240 Remember the singing nun?

00:16:37.520 Yeah.

00:16:38.220 But that's probably too old of a reference.

00:16:40.700 No, I remember.

00:16:41.740 I also remember the flying nun.

00:16:43.700 Yes.

00:16:43.820 But anyway, go ahead.

00:16:44.580 Sally Fields.

00:16:45.520 Yes.

00:16:45.680 Yeah.

00:16:46.420 But so this was it was a revolution.

00:16:49.080 It a music of music form was developed.

00:16:52.900 It originally was called Jesus music.

00:16:54.960 Now it's an industry called contemporary Christian music.

00:16:57.800 Then it was an expression of faith that was happening.

00:17:01.040 And so he was willing to open the doors and let it happen.

00:17:05.360 Chuck was like a really practical kind of a guy.

00:17:07.820 He was not what we would call a hipster.

00:17:10.020 He wasn't trying to be cool, but he was like a father figure that was welcoming.

00:17:16.460 And you know what we needed?

00:17:17.620 We needed a stable father figure, not some adult trying to, you know, relate to the kids.

00:17:23.700 We were looking for authenticity.

00:17:25.280 And he was that.

00:17:27.280 And then Lonnie was Lonnie and Chuck were sort of like nitrile meeting glycerin, peanut butter

00:17:32.720 meeting jelly, Lennon meeting McCartney, you know, just sort of the power of the right

00:17:38.680 two people coming together.

00:17:40.340 And Chuck restrained Lonnie in the best way from his impulses to go too far.

00:17:46.560 But Lonnie had that electricity that helped to bring kids in.

00:17:51.120 So it was like we came for Lonnie and we stayed for Chuck.

00:17:54.160 And so that was a spiritual awakening.

00:17:56.520 And it wasn't until later that I realized that.

00:18:00.440 So John Irwin, the director of the Jesus Revolution film, came to me with a copy of that

00:18:05.000 Time magazine with that psychedelic image of Jesus on the cover.

00:18:08.640 And he said, someone told me you were around at this time, made me feel very old.

00:18:13.780 Yes, I remember that, the old West, you know.

00:18:17.580 So he throws it in front of me and says, tell me about it.

00:18:20.660 So as we began to talk, John has been wanting to make this film forever.

00:18:26.060 He sort of built it around the storyline of my life.

00:18:29.040 Me as a young boy with my mother searching.

00:18:31.760 Then Chuck Smith is a pastor who, you know, his church isn't doing that well.

00:18:36.640 And he wants to reach younger people to Lonnie Frisbee, this hippie evangelist.

00:18:40.860 There's other storylines woven in as well.

00:18:43.080 And I think it connects to a lot of people on a bunch of different levels.

00:18:47.060 Because I've had different people say, oh, I love the story of you and your mother.

00:18:51.140 I connected to that.

00:18:52.340 Someone else will say, well, I love the story of Kathy.

00:18:55.260 That's my wife and her father and how he felt about all of this.

00:18:58.980 And someone else will connect to a different part of it.

00:19:01.220 But it's a human story.

00:19:02.720 And it shows us all as having flaws.

00:19:05.600 You know, we're all flawed people who met God and he changed our lives.

00:19:10.160 And that's what the movie is about.

00:19:11.580 And I believe, Glenn, we might be poised to see another spiritual awakening.

00:19:17.140 Because I do think there's real parallels between the late 60s, early 70s, and the moment we're in in American history.

00:19:24.140 So I just, I wrote, as you're telling the story, I just wrote down a couple of things.

00:19:28.380 Drugs, dead end, people are dying.

00:19:30.940 That's happening like crazy right now.

00:19:33.880 People are committing suicide because there's nothing out there.

00:19:37.500 You said we were looking for a father figure.

00:19:42.560 We didn't want somebody who was trying to be cool and relate to us.

00:19:46.200 We looked for authenticity.

00:19:48.640 These are the same things that are going on right now.

00:19:52.560 Right.

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00:21:07.040 It's interesting to me because it.

00:21:10.340 The answer then was not found in.

00:21:14.220 The church.

00:21:15.220 Right.

00:21:15.700 You know what I mean?

00:21:16.360 Yeah.

00:21:16.820 And I feel like the answer is not going to be found again in the church.

00:21:23.260 Whenever we have these awakenings, the church is usually.

00:21:28.000 I mean, besides the government, the last to get it.

00:21:31.640 You know what I mean?

00:21:32.180 It always comes from the outside.

00:21:34.180 Outside.

00:21:35.460 And and at least it seems that way.

00:21:37.540 I would say of all the awakenings we've had in America and historically, that's pretty much true.

00:21:42.560 Right.

00:21:43.180 I mean, there's still pastors and things like that, but they're not the popular ones.

00:21:47.420 They're not there.

00:21:48.100 What they're usually on the outside fringes and and they're the ones that don't have a lot to lose.

00:21:56.340 Yeah.

00:21:56.940 Yes.

00:21:57.900 Yeah.

00:21:58.380 That's good insight.

00:21:59.380 So, you know, there was this prayer meeting that went on forever up in Asbury, you know, that we've talked a lot about.

00:22:07.860 And and then it spread and and you wonder, is this the beginning of something new?

00:22:13.680 Because even in this movie, Glenn, I've heard crazy stories, crazy in the best way of people coming to faith, watching this movie.

00:22:21.580 I heard one story of in the middle of the movie, just as my character is about to get baptized in the movie, the projector, whatever it broke.

00:22:30.920 The film stopped and some young lady got up and said in the theater full of people, does anybody need prayer for anything?

00:22:37.280 And someone says, yes, I can use prayer for this.

00:22:39.680 I can use prayer for that.

00:22:40.820 Then she says, is everybody here?

00:22:42.720 No, Jesus.

00:22:43.320 And she starts to share her faith.

00:22:45.600 And some people prayed and accepted Christ in a movie theater.

00:22:49.000 Wait, this doesn't happen in movie theaters.

00:22:52.140 I heard another story of people that were so excited after they saw the film that they wanted to be baptized and they baptized him in the fountain in front of the theater.

00:23:01.200 And then Jack Graham, who's a pastor here in town, a good friend of mine, told me that some folks from his church were at a theater here in Texas.

00:23:09.660 And after the movie was over, they saw some young men like visibly moved with tears in their eyes.

00:23:15.260 So these Christians approached them and said, are you guys OK?

00:23:18.760 And they said, we just want to know how we can have what's in this movie.

00:23:22.400 And so they prayed with them.

00:23:24.800 So I see this as these are really promising signs to me of something maybe coming.

00:23:31.700 My family and I went to see it.

00:23:33.160 Yeah.

00:23:33.380 And after it was over, these two teenage girls stand up.

00:23:39.100 We just we just want to pray with anybody who wants to pray.

00:23:44.240 We'll be right outside.

00:23:46.500 Wow.

00:23:46.880 And so we walked out.

00:23:48.300 They were ahead of us.

00:23:49.440 We walked out.

00:23:49.980 And then I said to my wife, hang on for a second.

00:23:52.340 And I wanted to watch what happened.

00:23:54.640 And people were sheepishly kind of.

00:23:57.540 We walked over to them, these two teenage girls.

00:24:00.420 Wow.

00:24:00.700 And we all just hugged each other and just prayed.

00:24:04.960 We stood there for maybe 10 minutes.

00:24:07.300 And my wife said as we were walking out.

00:24:11.100 No movie I've been to results in that.

00:24:15.120 That's right.

00:24:15.880 So that says to me, it's not about a movie now.

00:24:18.180 Now it's about is God at work again?

00:24:20.400 Yes.

00:24:20.700 And I love hearing young people.

00:24:22.840 This is exciting because the Jesus movement was a movement of young people.

00:24:27.080 And the Bible says, Simon Peter said on the day of Pentecost,

00:24:30.700 in the last days, I'll pour my spirit out on all flesh.

00:24:34.140 Your sons and your daughters will prophesy and your old men will dream dreams and your

00:24:38.880 young men will see visions.

00:24:40.580 So when I first heard that verse, I was the young man seeing visions.

00:24:43.980 Now I guess I'm the old man dreaming dreams.

00:24:46.160 But my dream is I want to see this again in my lifetime.

00:24:49.860 And so it's sort of like when I go out walking with my wife, my wife has really thick, beautiful

00:24:55.360 hair.

00:24:55.900 And I'll say, it's raining.

00:24:57.460 She'll say, it's not raining.

00:24:59.180 She would know it's raining for maybe an hour.

00:25:01.200 I said, it's raining.

00:25:01.940 She says, it is.

00:25:02.980 And I said, Kathy Baldwin always know when it's raining first.

00:25:06.080 Right.

00:25:06.800 Because that's right.

00:25:08.280 So I see a drop of rain.

00:25:10.500 Oh, look at this thing that happened in Asbury that went up for weeks of young people praying.

00:25:15.080 Oh, look at these people coming to faith in movie theaters.

00:25:18.300 And look at this other thing that's happening over here.

00:25:21.100 So this, to me, we need a, we need a spiritual awakening in America so badly.

00:25:27.840 Things are so dark right now and it is a spiritual battle that we're engaged in.

00:25:33.380 And the most powerful weapon we have in our arsenal as Christians is the proclamation of

00:25:40.440 the gospel and prayer.

00:25:42.220 And, and so there is a place obviously for registering, voting, making our voice heard, doing everything

00:25:48.440 we can in that arena.

00:25:50.340 But having said that, the things that really are powerful that we often leave unused are,

00:25:55.860 let's pray about this.

00:25:56.720 Like you're asking for people to pray tomorrow.

00:25:58.960 That's a great thing.

00:26:00.060 And there's power in prayer.

00:26:01.960 And Acts chapter 12, Simon Peter was in prison and they had already killed James.

00:26:07.620 And there's a great little verse that says, constant prayer was offered to God for him by the church.

00:26:13.320 So that, and the end of that story is Peter was sprung from prison

00:26:17.380 and everything changed through prayer.

00:26:19.620 But I love it.

00:26:20.460 Constant prayer was offered to God by the church.

00:26:24.300 There's power when we pray together.

00:26:26.480 And then secondly, to just tell people how they can come to Jesus.

00:26:30.480 Look, when I was 17, I was a completely liberal person.

00:26:34.940 I would parrot all of the popular statements of kids that day.

00:26:39.580 I was against everything and I didn't even know why, but I just was because that's what I did.

00:26:45.080 When I came to Christ, everything changed.

00:26:48.280 My worldview changed.

00:26:49.580 The way I think changed.

00:26:50.960 Everything changes.

00:26:52.020 So I think the best thing I can do is reach out and say, there's a God in heaven who loves you

00:26:58.720 and has a plan for your life and you can be forgiven of your sin.

00:27:02.400 And you don't have to use drugs and you don't have to think your life doesn't matter

00:27:07.260 and even contemplate taking your life.

00:27:10.020 God has a purpose and plan for you.

00:27:11.700 And I want to tell you how to come into this relationship with the Lord.

00:27:14.660 So let me let me take you let me take you back to Lonnie.

00:27:20.140 Yeah, because in the movie, I mean, again, he's played and played by the guy who plays Jesus.

00:27:25.920 Yeah.

00:27:26.580 And so you you have this expectation because he's amazing.

00:27:30.520 Yeah.

00:27:31.140 And you have this expectation expectation.

00:27:33.380 Oh, things are going to end well.

00:27:35.120 Yeah.

00:27:35.300 And in the movie, it doesn't end great for him.

00:27:41.180 But in real life, it was really tragic what happened to him.

00:27:46.140 Yes.

00:27:46.440 Will you tell us about the real Lonnie?

00:27:48.900 Yes.

00:27:50.020 Yeah.

00:27:50.340 So so Lonnie had a very troubled childhood.

00:27:55.440 He his mother divorced and his stepfather was very harsh with him.

00:28:00.420 He was molested as a young boy and by his own admission, before he became a Christian, he

00:28:06.620 was in San Francisco experimenting sexually in every way, as well as with drugs.

00:28:13.100 And he came to faith and he married a woman named Connie.

00:28:15.940 And so this is around the time that he came to Calvary Chapel and he met Chuck.

00:28:22.480 So during this time that the movie covers, which is about a two year period, Lonnie was

00:28:27.720 walking with the Lord.

00:28:29.340 He is being used by God powerfully.

00:28:31.200 But him and Chuck had disagreements into the direction that Lonnie wanted to go.

00:28:36.520 Chuck didn't throw Lonnie out.

00:28:38.360 Lonnie left of his own volition to go to Florida.

00:28:40.720 And so now fast forward a number of years, Lonnie, by his own admission and wrote about

00:28:48.220 it in his autobiography, he fell away from the Lord.

00:28:51.860 He went back into drugs.

00:28:53.160 He went back into sexual promiscuity and he got the AIDS virus.

00:28:57.040 And actually, I went and saw him when he was in hospice care.

00:29:02.060 What year was this?

00:29:03.100 This would have been early 90s, like 91 or two, because I remember we were just starting

00:29:06.960 our crusades and stadiums and he was aware of that.

00:29:10.020 And I told him, you know, you played a role.

00:29:12.580 You led me to Christ.

00:29:13.940 And so now, you know, what I'm doing is connected to what you did.

00:29:17.880 And so Lonnie said, you know, wrote in his book, I've never identified as a gay man.

00:29:23.260 I believe homosexuality is a sin, as a matter of fact.

00:29:26.740 But he fell and he was sorry.

00:29:29.140 And he knew he paid pretty much the ultimate price for that, getting AIDS, but was sorry for

00:29:35.680 what he had done.

00:29:36.320 He was repentant.

00:29:38.180 And I remember we're sitting in a room that he was in.

00:29:42.160 It was all the lights were out.

00:29:43.500 There was a big fire in the fireplace and lighting his face up.

00:29:47.440 It was like a scene from a film.

00:29:49.140 And this emaciated Lonnie Frisbee, this tragic figure says, God's going to use me to preach

00:29:56.160 to thousands of people in the future.

00:29:58.400 And my friend and I who were sitting there are both thinking that's not going to happen.

00:30:02.040 And he died shortly after that.

00:30:03.780 But then someone brought to my attention the other day, did you ever stop and consider

00:30:08.400 the fact that in this movie, he's preaching to thousands of people?

00:30:11.920 You think God gave him a glimpse into his future?

00:30:14.500 I said, who knows?

00:30:16.000 So here's his story.

00:30:17.580 He was a flawed man who was used by God.

00:30:20.260 We could have made the movie without him.

00:30:22.160 We didn't have to put him in the movie.

00:30:24.060 But the reality is he was a part of this spark between him and Chuck.

00:30:29.000 Like, so we're not trying to hide anything.

00:30:31.540 We're saying in this time there was none of that going on later.

00:30:34.420 Yeah, it's a tragic end.

00:30:35.760 But hey, man, read the Bible.

00:30:38.000 God's servants mess up.

00:30:40.180 I mean, Abraham lied and David committed adultery and then tried to cover it up, ultimately

00:30:45.160 committing murder.

00:30:46.180 And Noah got drunk after the ark landed safely on the land and halt, held the coats while

00:30:53.600 people stoned Stephen to death.

00:30:57.360 That's one of the most shocking.

00:30:59.020 Paul was not a good, but that standing there, here, hold your coat.

00:31:03.340 Yeah.

00:31:03.720 Go ahead and stone him.

00:31:04.740 Exactly.

00:31:05.100 That's a bad guy.

00:31:06.780 He was a bad guy.

00:31:07.820 Bad guy.

00:31:08.280 But, you know, God can draw a straight line with a crooked stick.

00:31:12.660 And if you look at the Bible, it seems like God goes out of his way to choose ordinary

00:31:18.000 people to do extraordinary things.

00:31:20.480 That's the story of this.

00:31:22.040 Stop there.

00:31:24.280 Why?

00:31:25.160 Is it?

00:31:27.780 You know, I'm sure you know this.

00:31:30.020 Martin Luther King was chosen by men.

00:31:33.060 Yeah.

00:31:33.280 I can tell you, I would bet my life, many were chosen by God who failed to stand.

00:31:40.220 Yeah.

00:31:41.220 He was just the, I think he was the eighth choice.

00:31:43.660 He just finally stood up and said, yeah, okay, I'll do it.

00:31:46.640 So, why does he use flawed people?

00:31:51.540 Is it because all of the really good people have too much to lose?

00:31:57.740 What do you suppose that is?

00:31:58.880 I think you actually touched on it earlier.

00:32:00.360 Uh, you were saying that, um, when somebody doesn't have anything to lose, maybe they're

00:32:05.640 more willing to take a risk, but actually the Bible addresses this topic and it says,

00:32:10.580 God chooses the foolish things of the world to confound the wise.

00:32:15.240 So I think when you have a, you know, a person who's obviously very talented, very educated,

00:32:20.800 very, and God can use those people and he does.

00:32:23.660 But sometimes the Lord will pick that unexpected person to do an unexpected work.

00:32:29.600 So when it's all said and done, we'll look and say, Hmm, I don't think that person could

00:32:33.900 have ever done that.

00:32:34.720 That must've been God.

00:32:36.260 So I think it gives hope for all of us because I'm about as ordinary as they come.

00:32:40.740 I can tell you that, um, you just made me think of something.

00:32:44.320 Um, you remember the movie Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory?

00:32:49.600 Yes.

00:32:50.560 So, you know, which version?

00:32:53.200 The, the, the real, yeah.

00:32:55.180 With Gene Wilder.

00:32:56.840 Yeah.

00:32:57.540 Um, Jesus tells us, come to me as a child.

00:33:02.920 Yeah.

00:33:03.540 Willy Wonka is sitting in the, uh, Wonka Vader or whatever it's called.

00:33:10.080 And they're flying through the sky and he looks at Charlie and he says, I knew if I picked

00:33:17.060 an adult, they would want to do it their way.

00:33:21.020 Only a child would do it my way.

00:33:23.860 Wow.

00:33:24.580 And, uh, I've never pieced those two together.

00:33:28.400 That's a great illustration.

00:33:29.640 That's probably it.

00:33:30.660 I might use that in a sermon sometime.

00:33:31.780 But it's, it's, it's true.

00:33:36.260 And only the broken, again, alcoholic, my mom committed suicide when I was young.

00:33:42.720 She was addicted to drugs and, uh, and once you're absolutely broken, then you'll do it

00:33:51.900 his way.

00:33:53.260 Well, yeah.

00:33:54.000 Cause you're like, I don't want to do it my way anymore.

00:33:55.940 Yeah.

00:33:56.160 My way doesn't work.

00:33:57.080 You know, God can take the mess of our life and turn it into a message.

00:34:02.260 The Bible says he can bring beauty out of ashes and, you know, it's quite amazing when

00:34:07.720 it happens to you.

00:34:08.720 And it doesn't always happen because you can also become a bitter, angry person.

00:34:13.220 No.

00:34:13.660 Yeah.

00:34:13.800 But I mean, if you allow, if you accept the atonement, all of a sudden you're seeing all

00:34:19.760 the things that you were afraid would destroy you, the, all the things you did wrong, all the

00:34:24.860 things that you hid, all of a sudden they're being used in ways that you could not have

00:34:31.980 imagined.

00:34:32.940 That's right.

00:34:33.500 Yeah.

00:34:33.840 Like Joseph said, his brothers, he was, you know, sold by his brothers into slavery.

00:34:38.860 And then he ascended to be, to the, become the most powerful man in all of Egypt next

00:34:44.240 only to the Pharaoh.

00:34:45.400 He could have had his brothers all executed.

00:34:47.740 Yeah.

00:34:48.000 He said, you meant it for evil, but God meant it for good to save many people alive.

00:34:51.780 So I think, you know, as you look back in your life, Glenn, and I look back in mine, you

00:34:56.960 know, God has used these things like 14 years ago, our oldest son, Christopher died in an

00:35:02.260 automobile accident.

00:35:03.680 And it was, you know, I looked at all of the pain of my childhood.

00:35:07.220 It was nothing compared to this.

00:35:08.820 Oh, I bet.

00:35:09.540 And it's not something I would wish on anyone.

00:35:13.040 It's, it's a horrible tragedy.

00:35:14.780 It will always be a tragedy.

00:35:16.600 However, I can see that good has come despite this tragedy.

00:35:21.520 I don't feel like I need to say, oh, this happened.

00:35:24.080 So that will happen.

00:35:25.080 I'll just say this happened.

00:35:26.460 It was a horrible event.

00:35:27.820 I wish it never happened, but it changed me.

00:35:31.040 And, and I believe the events of life can make us better or better.

00:35:35.160 Yep.

00:35:35.700 So we choose.

00:35:36.740 Yeah.

00:35:37.260 You know?

00:35:37.660 And so I've chosen, you know, it broke me and, and it, you know, and I feel like a part

00:35:43.840 of me is in heaven right now.

00:35:45.380 So it gives me a different view of things.

00:35:47.240 It gives you sometimes a greater compassion for a person because you think I used to be

00:35:51.840 that person.

00:35:52.820 So you're not so, you know, above them all and, you know, all, you know, what's wrong

00:35:58.620 with you?

00:35:59.020 You go, no, I understand these struggles that people face and care about them and, and try

00:36:04.300 to reach out to them and just have a heart for people because people are hurting.

00:36:08.740 They're searching, they're lonely.

00:36:10.260 And I think we need to just tell them that there's hope in this crazy world we're living

00:36:16.160 in.

00:36:17.200 And, uh, so God uses these events in our life and, and it's clear because God's made you

00:36:22.960 the man you are and to do what you uniquely do.

00:36:26.440 That's different than anybody else out there.

00:36:28.960 And you have a, you know, certain way about what you do that really connects to people.

00:36:33.340 I think you put a lot of heart in what you do as well as bringing great information.

00:36:37.220 And so God's in control of these things.

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00:38:42.200 So I want to talk to you a little bit about, um, the meaning of, of life because there's

00:38:52.740 not a lot of meaning in the world right now.

00:38:55.600 No, we have rejected, we've, we've put, uh, so many idols in front of us that we're worshiping,

00:39:04.400 you know, our handheld devices or whatever it is.

00:39:08.080 We spend so much time gazing onto those things that we are becoming.

00:39:12.540 Um, and, uh, and it's leading to suicide and, um, I want you just to talk about that for a

00:39:26.460 second on, um, um, I think there's people that either completely lose hope because nothing

00:39:36.840 they sing has meaning just like you didn't believe in anybody over 30, um, or they are trapped

00:39:44.780 in this world of, no, you don't know what I did.

00:39:50.980 And they just think they can never be used.

00:39:54.820 They can never be forgiven.

00:39:57.620 Well, it's such a unique time in human history.

00:40:01.020 I mean, I said, there's parallels between, uh, early seventies, late sixties and today,

00:40:06.320 but then there's unique features of the time we're living in.

00:40:09.040 I mean, and social media has just created, it's almost like crazy Pandora's box.

00:40:14.320 It can be used for such good and such evil.

00:40:17.480 Like you said earlier, the best of times, the worst of times, it's like so good and so

00:40:22.440 bad simultaneously, depending on what you make it.

00:40:25.400 But all of us would probably admit to, you know, spending too much time looking at our

00:40:29.640 phones.

00:40:29.960 I'll sometimes just scroll through the, uh, Instagram feed, these little videos.

00:40:35.020 And it's, it's like, it's almost like a drug or something because like, I'll go, wait,

00:40:39.440 an hour just passed.

00:40:40.560 And, you know, and so I think that, um, with all of this technology and now with the explosion

00:40:48.820 of artificial intelligence, you know, and then all that's going on in the world, it

00:40:53.920 reminds me so much of when I was a young man with the bomb drills.

00:40:57.620 It's like, we see a, a bolder, more powerful China, you know, that's been emerging for a

00:41:03.040 long time, but now militarily, economically, and, and, you know, and all the other things

00:41:08.960 happening in the world today, it's very frightening time and drugs today, like fentanyl with, I

00:41:14.280 think 300 fentanyl deaths a day and suicide up.

00:41:18.420 There was a report that was just done recently, uh, by the CDC talking about how young girls

00:41:25.000 are so sad and lonely.

00:41:26.580 And I just read an article today about young boys taking their lives at an unprecedented

00:41:31.840 rate and, you know, we've done all of this, all these social experiments, changing everything

00:41:38.420 and we're sowing the wind and now we're reaping the whirlwind.

00:41:42.220 And so the solution is, it's very simple in a way, and it's really something we have to

00:41:48.660 do individually.

00:41:49.340 You have to go to God.

00:41:50.760 It's a relationship with God.

00:41:52.460 This is where everything starts.

00:41:54.160 Like wall street journal had an article recently about how a patriotism is down and church attendance

00:42:00.740 is down and, and love of money is up or the, the, the people think that that is a, uh, uh,

00:42:08.400 what was it?

00:42:08.900 A virtue or a, a, a pillar of to be an American.

00:42:12.920 Yeah.

00:42:13.500 Money.

00:42:14.280 Yeah.

00:42:15.220 When?

00:42:16.040 Yeah.

00:42:17.020 So all these things I think are interconnected.

00:42:19.100 And I think, I don't know, it was 1962 or three when it was illegal to read scripture

00:42:27.220 or pray the Lord's prayer out loud.

00:42:29.160 And then you fast forward to a 66 time magazine cover black with reversed out red letters is

00:42:36.140 God dead.

00:42:36.880 And then 1972 or so the psychedelic image of Jesus, Jesus revolution.

00:42:42.260 Is there cause and effect to these things?

00:42:44.600 And I believe there is.

00:42:46.160 So I believe that it's a relationship with God.

00:42:50.200 You know, cultural Christianity is dead and I'm not sorry about that.

00:42:54.840 And there was a cultural Christianity that did have some positive virtues when I was

00:42:59.580 a child, that even the shows we would watch on TV, father knows best, leave it to beaver.

00:43:04.680 You know, you know, the Donna Reed show.

00:43:07.720 In my, in my day, little house on the prairie.

00:43:11.420 Yeah.

00:43:11.860 Yeah.

00:43:12.540 So, so those are Cosby show in the 90s before he went back.

00:43:16.840 Even the Cosby show.

00:43:17.880 He was bad at the time, but before the show.

00:43:20.020 Yeah.

00:43:20.320 Before we knew it.

00:43:21.240 Well, his character was, but it was a positive role model of a father.

00:43:25.060 Instead of making the father, the buffoon and, and the brunt of jokes, father did have

00:43:30.220 wisdom and it was father and mother were together and family mattered, but, but there was a sort

00:43:35.840 of a cultural Christianity earlier in America and the fifties and the early sixties. And I,

00:43:42.300 I don't think we need cultural Christianity. This is about a relationship with God. We need

00:43:47.540 to turn to God individually. And I, and I believe I see young people changing. You just

00:43:53.240 told a story of a young person in a theater. See, God can change the course of that single

00:43:58.500 young person. And they're really searching. This is what this is all about. Even the gender

00:44:03.640 identity issues. Uh, they're, they're, they're not comfortable in their own body. They think

00:44:08.820 it's something else. The something else is a someone else, what they're really looking

00:44:14.040 for. And they just don't know it yet as they're looking for God because God shaped whole it

00:44:19.300 is. And the Bible says, uh, he has placed eternity in our hearts. This is unique of people. God

00:44:26.680 has made us in our image. And there's something in us that's looking for this through our life.

00:44:31.240 I was as a young man, people are still looking for him today. And the answer has not changed.

00:44:36.920 And God says, I'm here. I'm ready to forgive you of your sin. I'm ready to cleanse you and

00:44:43.400 change you and give you a fresh start in life. And now that's kind of what I talk about. Not

00:44:47.980 kind of, that is what I talk about. That's what I'll be talking about this Easter. That's what

00:44:53.000 I talk about pretty much every Sunday. And even the people individually, I talk to them

00:44:57.800 about their need for a relationship with the Lord through Christ. Why?

00:45:04.960 You can probably tell by looking at me, I avoid exercise like the plague. Uh, the Lord and I

00:45:11.000 are, we, I just have to understand why is it everything I like is bad for me and everything

00:45:16.820 that is good for me. I really don't like, I mean, getting me to do, you know, service

00:45:23.220 every time I'm driving, you know, to do something, I'm like, Oh my. And then afterwards, you're

00:45:31.720 like, I should be doing this all the time. That's right. Why is it that, that God shaped

00:45:40.120 whole is the last thing that people will try? You know what I mean? Why is that? Do you

00:45:50.020 suppose? That's a really good question. I'm not sure if I know the answer to it. It's,

00:45:54.480 it's kind of like, there it is right in front of you, but you feel like you want to try everything

00:45:59.020 else. And sometimes for some people it has to be like a process of elimination. Is it because

00:46:03.640 it's, you think it's too hard? Maybe you think it's too easy. Maybe you think it can't be

00:46:11.200 that. It couldn't be that. And you know, and I think that that is maybe because you don't

00:46:17.440 understand that you could say, Oh, that religion, Jesus thing, that's what my parents or my grandparents

00:46:23.400 did. Well, maybe they did or maybe they didn't. I don't know what their relationship with God

00:46:28.800 was, but Jesus says, come on to me, all of you who are labor, laboring and are heavy laden,

00:46:34.740 and I will give you rest. And so what I often say is, look, I'm sorry that there's hypocrites in the

00:46:40.580 church, but Jesus didn't say, follow my people. He said, follow me. So this is it. You need to come

00:46:47.400 to God and say, I don't understand you. I don't know that much about you, but if you're real, make

00:46:52.880 yourself real to me and God will hear and respond to a prayer like that. And I think it, it really

00:46:59.620 comes down to that encounter with God. And we've seen a lot of bad examples and we've seen some good

00:47:04.800 examples, but, um, but ultimately it's about you and God. And one day we're all going to stand before

00:47:09.960 God. And it's going to be, the question is not going to be, did you live a good life? Cause some

00:47:15.160 people think a lot of people think if I live a good life, God will let me into heaven. There's no basis

00:47:19.980 for that anywhere. You know, we wouldn't even use the word heaven if we had not read it in the

00:47:25.400 Bible. So how can we take something that's clearly from the Bible and then redefine other things that

00:47:31.760 the Bible clearly says about how we get to this place that it told us about in the first place.

00:47:36.440 It tells us there's a heaven. It tells us there's a God. It tells us there's a devil. It tells us we

00:47:42.520 have a choice. It tells us how to come to him. It tells us what God did to make that possible through

00:47:48.500 Jesus dying on the cross. That's what we'll celebrate on Good Friday and rising again from

00:47:53.080 the dead. That's what we'll celebrate on Sunday. It's all there. And there's gates that you must

00:47:59.300 pass. He had to pass through them. Yeah. Yeah. He was in the garden of Gethsemane sweating blood

00:48:08.080 basically. And as he contemplated the horrors of what was ahead, bearing the sins of the world,

00:48:14.380 you know, Jesus was God, which means he knew everything. And it was bad enough to know that

00:48:20.520 his beard would be ripped from his face and the crown of thorns would be pressed on his head and

00:48:25.080 they'd strike him with their fists and pound spikes through his hands and his feet. But the thing that

00:48:30.320 Jesus recoiled from, even more than that, was the horror of taking the sin of the world upon himself.

00:48:37.240 And that is why he said, Father, if it's possible, let this cup pass through me. Nevertheless,

00:48:42.060 not my will, but yours be done. The cup was that because Jesus, you know, he never even had a

00:48:48.680 thought out of alignment with his father. He never committed a single sin. And now to take on all of

00:48:54.420 your sin and my sin and all of our sin upon himself. That's a, that's a fate worse than death,

00:49:01.900 but he did it. And that's what the Cal, what Calvary is all about. That's what the cross is all about

00:49:07.900 as Christ was absorbing the judgment of God that should have come upon me, upon himself.

00:49:13.820 And he was dying, as you said, atoning for our sin.

00:49:19.560 You think that happened at Gethsemane, not on the cross?

00:49:23.760 What's that atonement?

00:49:24.920 Yeah. His taking on that. That's when he was sweating blood. Cause it was like you said,

00:49:31.060 yeah, it had to be, uh, it had to make the crucifix look almost like a picnic.

00:49:37.480 Well, and it, I knew what that was.

00:49:40.000 I think it probably happened on the cross when he cried out the, there are seven statements Christ

00:49:45.560 gave from the cross. The first was father, forgive them for they know not what they do.

00:49:49.980 Imagine that.

00:49:50.540 And then he ultimately said, my God, my God, why have you forsaken me? Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani.

00:49:57.080 It is believed by many scholars, uh, that that's the moment when the sin of the world was placed

00:50:03.280 upon Christ. Because after that, he says, it is finished. One word to tell us die. It is completed.

00:50:10.040 It is done. It is finished. And then he says into your hands, father, I commit my spirit. So he had

00:50:16.000 done it. This is what he came to do. And then of course he rose again.

00:50:20.780 Don't you hate it when you walk in your house and you like, Oh, somebody scraped the dishes after

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00:51:49.020 use the discount code Glenn. That's Eden pure deals.com. You know, you talk about the heaven,

00:51:57.920 hell devil. I, I, we're seeing belief in God go down. Um, but it's shocking to me how many

00:52:08.260 people don't believe in evil when, you know, it's hard to understand the period in the 1930s

00:52:21.260 and forties in Germany without an understanding of evil that just seem to, uh, I don't know,

00:52:31.480 to inhabit the people. Um, and you look at our society where we have gone from safe, legal and

00:52:43.420 rare to shout your abortion. You should be proud of that to let's do these medical experiments on

00:52:52.720 children. Yes. And it's in our culture, Sweden, Finland, England, they're all turning away saying,

00:52:59.360 no, no, no, no, no, no, no. France. It's us. Yeah. When you're seeing the rise of all in the name of

00:53:08.220 compassion, you know, euthanasia of kids who are depressed in Canada. Wow. Can you talk a little bit

00:53:17.840 about evil as a force and the difference between fighting flesh and bone and principalities?

00:53:27.480 Yeah. Well, as, as surely as there is a God in heaven who loves us, there's a devil headed to hell

00:53:33.980 who hates us. And he's a fallen angel known as Lucifer. Now we call him Satan. The Bible calls him

00:53:42.520 the prince of the power of the air. And so that speaks of a, of a realm of demonic powers that are

00:53:49.900 under him, which are fallen angels that do his bidding. There's one devil. He's not the equal of

00:53:56.020 God. God is all knowing. Satan is limited knowledge. God is all powerful. Satan is limited power.

00:54:02.360 God is omnipresent, present everywhere. Satan can only be in one place at one time, but he has these

00:54:07.440 demon forces and what's his agenda. Jesus summed it up very clearly. He says, a thief, speaking of

00:54:13.100 Satan comes only to steal, kill and destroy. But then he contrasted himself with that and said,

00:54:19.100 but I have come Jesus speaking to give you life and not more abundantly. So here's our choice,

00:54:24.860 life or death. God says in scripture, I set before you death and life, blessings and curses,

00:54:32.280 choose life. Choose life that you may live. It's almost like a teacher in a classroom and they're

00:54:38.040 giving the final exam and they're saying, you have to get this question right to pass the exam. By the

00:54:42.700 way, here's the answer to the question. And God saying, here's life. It's before you life, death,

00:54:48.740 you choose. By the way, I love how he puts in choose life. Like I'm telling you, do this, but it is our

00:54:54.820 choice. And so every day we have a choice to, to even as a Christian, to yield to Satan and his

00:55:01.820 temptations and his enticements and our selfishness and our pride and, and all the things that we do

00:55:09.200 or to yield to God and to, as a Christian, to open his word, to pray, to, to be humble before him.

00:55:16.140 You know, the funny thing you're talking about serving, the last thing you want to do is serve

00:55:20.240 someone else. But the reality is the Bible teaches, if you lose your life, you find your life. That's

00:55:25.900 what Jesus said. And when you help others, they actually have a term for it. It's called the helper's

00:55:31.740 high. It's a medical term that they use to describe the release of endorphins when you

00:55:37.560 help somebody or do something for someone besides yourself. So we think it's all about me. Get

00:55:42.960 everything I can and I'll be happy. Bible teaches the opposite. It's actually about others giving

00:55:48.640 out, but ultimately starting with receiving from God. So there is a devil, he's active. And

00:55:54.820 I believe it's Satan literally whispering in the ears of these young people today, take your

00:55:59.940 life. Nobody cares about you. You don't matter.

00:56:03.220 I think it is the influence of Satan as well. That is the moving force behind so many things

00:56:12.860 that are being said in, in public, in, in compassion. You know, I've, you know, the war

00:56:21.140 and we don't know anything about the war in heaven and the, you know, the fall of Satan,

00:56:25.020 but we do know God chose the plan of salvation with Jesus and not Satan's plan. And Satan's plan

00:56:33.260 was I'll make all the decisions. I'll make all the decisions. I'll bring them all back. Give me the

00:56:37.640 glory. And I never understood how a third of the angels could be lost. You're standing there,

00:56:44.500 you're looking at him, you're looking at God, you know, the same arguments that we're having over

00:56:51.020 and over again. Yeah. He wants you to be hurt. He wants you to suffer. Yeah. I'll make sure no one

00:56:57.540 suffers. Yes. And we are, everything starts to be cloaked in compassion. Yes. And before you know

00:57:08.220 it, you realize I'm in a cage. Yeah. Well, he's an angel of light. If the devil were to appear,

00:57:15.780 he wouldn't have red skin, horns, pointed ears in the pitchfork. He'd be an angel of light.

00:57:22.160 He would be very impressive. And, uh, you know, sin makes you stupid. That's the bottom line.

00:57:28.160 And so why did the angels fall? Explain that. Sin makes you stupid. Well,

00:57:32.120 when you come into the power of sin, you don't think rationally and, and you're, maybe it's the

00:57:38.200 pleasure. Even the Bible says there's pleasures in sin for a season, but afterwards comes death.

00:57:44.080 So the idea is there's a certain euphoria and excitement when you break the rules and,

00:57:49.320 and cast off the restraints and run off and do what you want to do. But then you face the

00:57:54.420 repercussions of those bad decisions. And so it's very appealing and enticing on the front end. Go

00:58:01.080 back to the garden of Eden. You know, Satan offers to Eve the forbidden fruit. We always see an apple.

00:58:06.880 The Bible never says an apple. I wouldn't have been tempted by an apple. Apples are okay. A

00:58:11.960 nectarine. Maybe. I think it probably was a piece of fruit. Like we've never seen. It probably

00:58:16.660 pulsated with light, had its own theme song. Who knows? But whatever it was, it was like, wow.

00:58:22.520 And what was the appeal? Go ahead and eat. And in the day you eat thereof, you will be as a God

00:58:27.940 knowing good and evil. Eve, you'll be a goddess. Go for it. And so that's still the, the enticement

00:58:35.160 today that comes to us. You know, you can be in control. You can have everything and it's empty

00:58:41.300 promises. And they ate of the forbidden fruit and sin enters the human race. But so we have to come

00:58:46.820 to our senses. There's a story that Jesus told. And I love this story because Jesus shows us what

00:58:52.260 God is like. We wonder, what is God like? Okay. Here's what God is like. According to Jesus, God is

00:58:57.500 like a father who loves us. And he tells the story of a father with two sons. One of the sons goes astray,

00:59:04.340 takes his portion of the inheritance, consorts with hookers, drinking, ruins his life, finally

00:59:11.820 comes to his senses and says, I will return home to my father and say, I don't even deserve to be a

00:59:17.720 son. Just make me, you know, hired hand. But while, and this is Jesus speaking, while he was a great way

00:59:23.660 off, the father saw him and ran to his son and threw his arms around him and kissed him and said,

00:59:29.700 rejoice with me, this my son who is dead is alive again. And he was lost is found. So what is God

00:59:35.720 like? God is like a father who misses his son, who misses his daughter, who longs for our return. He

00:59:42.660 allows us to make our own choices as the prodigal did. But when we come to our senses and come back

00:59:48.860 to him, he's not going to beat us. He's going to forgive us of all of our sin and welcome us. But

00:59:55.280 then he changed the son. So because sometimes people say, well, God loves me just the way that

01:00:00.040 I am. Yes, but he doesn't want to leave you that way. So when you really come into a relationship

01:00:05.300 with Jesus Christ, you need to, as the Bible says, repent of your sin. You say, I'm not going to do

01:00:10.620 that anymore. The father said, put clean clothes on him and put a ring in his finger. It's like,

01:00:15.240 okay, son, you stink. You've been hanging out with pigs. Let's clean you up. So you don't have to

01:00:20.140 clean your life up and come to Christ. But when you come to Christ, he'll clean your life up.

01:00:25.320 So you come with your addictions, you come with your problems, you come with your guilt.

01:00:29.600 You say, I'm sorry to God. And he can take everything and change it for you. I've seen

01:00:34.960 it happen in so many lives. It is, uh, it's remarkable. Um, but I think people are convinced

01:00:44.760 that that just, that can't happen for them. Uh, you know, I said, uh, went through a tough

01:00:51.980 period here recently with my kids and I had, uh, a couple of them were suicidal and another

01:00:59.380 one had just gone off the beaten path. And I was just struggling one day, just trying to

01:01:08.140 hold everything together. And I'm sitting at dinner with my family. And I said, I'm

01:01:14.760 you know what the problem is about for parents being a parent. My kids went, no. And I said,

01:01:23.220 you never stop loving your children. Yeah. And I think that's how God feels like, I just want

01:01:33.460 my child to be happy. I just want my child to be whole. I just, I want them to know I love

01:01:39.920 them and it doesn't have to be this way, but in the end it's their choice and I will be

01:01:48.180 there and I'm going to counsel them, but I'm going to let them make their own choice. And

01:01:53.400 I have to stand there and just go, I'm anxious to see how that works out for you. Yes. And

01:01:59.960 hopefully you'll come back, but it's, it's always, if I, if I, if I wouldn't have a strong

01:02:11.100 relationship with my kids, they would be afraid that I would judge them or I would look at them

01:02:20.640 differently. Yeah. And, uh, and that's what that's that God's the perfect parent. Yes. My oldest son,

01:02:31.560 Christopher, who I mentioned earlier, who, uh, died in an automobile accident 14 years ago,

01:02:37.200 he went through a little, what I would call a prodigal phase. And I always kept contact open with

01:02:42.660 him and, uh, I would always reach out to him. And he said to a friend of ours later, I found this out

01:02:49.380 later. He said, I always knew where I sort of stood with God by my relationship with my father. When

01:02:54.780 there wasn't relation, you know, when I wasn't right with my, with God, I was, things were tense with my

01:03:00.140 dad, but he said, the thing that brought me back and Christopher returned to the Lord, he says, was I

01:03:05.760 knew my father loved me unconditionally. And I thought, okay, that's the greatest compliment that could be

01:03:10.640 paid that he knew I loved him unconditionally. And then he returned to the Lord. And then he was

01:03:16.700 called unexpectedly home to heaven. I have another son named Jonathan and, uh, he was struggling with

01:03:22.840 drugs, Glenn. And, um, so, and I wasn't even aware of his struggle at this time. And he said to his older

01:03:29.040 brother, Christopher, who had made this recommitment to Christ, I'm struggling with this. You got to help

01:03:33.660 me. And Christopher turned to Jonathan and said, Jonathan, what's it going to take for you to get right

01:03:38.740 with God? And Jonathan determined the next day he wanted to talk to his brother more. And that next

01:03:44.560 day, July 24th is when Christopher went to be with the Lord. This so hit Jonathan that he threw all of

01:03:53.460 his drugs out, made a commitment to follow Jesus. And now today is an associate pastor at our church.

01:04:00.260 And so not only is he walking with the Lord, but he's actually teaching the word of God and preaching

01:04:05.280 the gospel. And so I say, you know, never give up on your kids. Keep loving your kids.

01:04:11.180 We don't need to preach to them. We need to be the sermon that you, you don't want to give them the

01:04:16.300 message, but then you live it. And they see that and they know that. And I think they need to always

01:04:21.700 know that they can come home and we're there to love them. And that's how God is toward us. I think

01:04:27.280 what you said is exactly right. Let me ask you as a parent, I see parents of families who they are

01:04:35.740 exceptional families. I mean, exceptional, you know, praying all the time, just so sweet. So kind.

01:04:44.320 And sometimes their family is perfect. Other times their family is a mess. I've seen people whose

01:04:56.620 family, whose family is amazing and the parents are a mess. I know as a parent, when something happens,

01:05:07.040 your kids go awry. It's, it's just diabolical. You think about, I should have done more of this.

01:05:14.140 I should have done this. Um, speak to parents that are struggling because I don't even know what

01:05:23.720 to do as a parent now. It's so foreign to me and my childhood. I don't even know. Speak to parents

01:05:31.300 who have really done their best, may not have done everything right, but really did their best.

01:05:36.360 Yeah. Well, I think that if you've made mistakes as a parent, it's okay to apologize to a child. I

01:05:47.680 think we feel, well, I can't do that because that would somehow undermine my authority in their life.

01:05:55.040 No, they already know you screwed up. Why don't you just admit it? And they'll probably respect you

01:05:59.780 more for it. So, you know what? I haven't been the father I should have been. And I want to apologize.

01:06:03.740 So the mother I should have been, and I'm sorry for that. And I want you to forgive me. And I want

01:06:10.160 to start over again and do the best that I can do. That'd probably go a lot further than you think

01:06:15.340 it would go, but you need to show them, you know, you can't take someone any further than you yourself

01:06:20.380 have gone. And I think the idea is you want, you do need to model it for them. I have a friend,

01:06:25.660 Franklin Graham. I know, you know, Franklin. I mean, he was raised in the home of Billy and Ruth

01:06:29.980 Graham for Pete's sake. And I, you know, I, I mentioned, I got to know Billy and Ruth. I spent

01:06:35.300 time in their home. They were the most wonderful couple. They were down to earth. They were fun.

01:06:40.740 They were godly. They were what you would want a Christian couple to be. And yet Franklin

01:06:45.340 would crawl out on the roof in the middle of the night.

01:06:48.760 And so, you know, he had this time of rebellion. So you can be, look, if, if, if a kid messing up

01:06:57.380 meant that you had failed as a parent, then God is a bad parent, right? Because how many of us mess

01:07:03.140 up and we have a perfect heavenly father and God is not a bad parent. The point is we have a free will.

01:07:10.000 We have to sometimes learn things the hard way, unfortunately, but as a parent, you want to model

01:07:15.720 it for your kids. You want to teach it to them. And I've always found the best way to teach my

01:07:20.660 children and now my grandchildren is I just weave it into everyday life. You know, Moses said,

01:07:25.640 teach these things to your children. When you get up in the morning, when you walk in the way,

01:07:29.480 when you go to sleep at night. So it's just like, instead of saying, now I'm going to preach a sermon

01:07:33.920 to you, or we're going to have a two hour devotional time before you leave the house, you know, just

01:07:38.680 weave it into life. There's nothing wrong with setting time apart. In fact, that's a good thing

01:07:43.540 to open the Bible and pray and with your children, but, but look for those teaching moments with them

01:07:51.100 and enter their lives and take an interest in what they're doing. Listen to them, you know,

01:07:55.520 let them talk to you, uh, ask them questions. And I think it's hard when you get older,

01:08:00.320 because you feel like you want to always be the one with the answers, but you can learn a lot from

01:08:04.940 younger people. And cause I like to find out what they're dealing with and thinking about so I can

01:08:10.420 appropriately bring truth to them, but not beat them over the head with it, but try to explain

01:08:16.240 sometimes using my life as an illustration and mistakes I've made and things I've learned.

01:08:21.360 It's a, it's a hard job. It's like, uh, Mark Twain said, um, loose paraphrase. You've probably heard

01:08:27.760 this. It's, um, when your child reaches the age of like, I think 14, he says, put them in a barrel

01:08:32.920 and put the lid down on tight and feed them through the open hole. And then when they hit 16,

01:08:38.580 plug up the hole, right? Something to that effect. And so juvenile, uh, delinquency and teenage

01:08:45.940 rebellion is not unique to our time. And I think we just do the best we can do. Pray for God's

01:08:53.140 wisdom and his strength and his help and just keep loving our kids. And they see that and they know

01:08:59.460 that. And yeah, I think it, it will resonate and prayerfully and hopefully they'll, they'll come back.

01:09:05.500 Let me ask you one more question. Yes. Easter weekend. Yes. I go back and forth on Judas.

01:09:14.060 Um, in the time they were expecting a warrior. Yeah. Jesus was not the warrior that they were

01:09:23.020 expecting. Yes. Um, and it's kind of like Adam and Eve, uh, Eve. I, I mean, I could make a case

01:09:33.580 that Eve was like, we have to, we have to do this. You know what I mean? Yeah. Um, uh, and Judas,

01:09:43.760 he had to betray Christ. What do you think if he hadn't hung himself and he had a chance to talk to

01:09:55.780 Christ, what do you think Christ would have said to him? Well, I know what Christ said to him right

01:10:00.940 before he hung himself when Jesus, uh, he saw Judas in the garden of Gethsemane and Judas is not going

01:10:08.340 to identify Jesus for the authorities. He says, it's the one that I will kiss. And, and Jesus sees

01:10:14.740 him and says, friend, what do you seek? Jesus called him a friend. I mean, a friend. Don't forget when

01:10:21.560 Jesus washed the disciples feet in the upper room that included Judas. And he knew he was washing the

01:10:27.720 feet of the one who would shortly betray him. I would have broken his feet, not wash them. Friend,

01:10:33.340 why have you come? He asks. So that was the last gesture of Christ toward Judas. Like, I know what

01:10:39.700 you're up to. I've already called you out on it. I know what's happening right now, but I'm saying,

01:10:44.660 why have you come? In other words, one last chance to repent. Judas could have done it. So, you know,

01:10:50.400 you can contrast Simon, Peter, and Judas, both of them messed up. Judas betrayed Christ.

01:10:55.240 Peter denied Christ. And, and they both went and did their deed, but Judas never repented of his,

01:11:03.680 but Peter went out, the Bible says, and wept bitterly and he was forgiven by God. So, you know,

01:11:09.140 Judas, he came off as a super virtuous guy. You know, it was Judas who said when a woman was pouring

01:11:16.060 the expensive perfume on Christ, Hey, this could have been sold on the money given to the poor. And

01:11:20.020 everyone's going, yeah, that's right. But then John says, yeah, he said this because

01:11:24.920 he was stealing money from the, from the bag. He was like the treasure. So he came off like a guy

01:11:30.720 who was virtuous, but in reality he was evil because it's interesting. There's a certain point

01:11:36.300 where the Bible says Satan entered Judas's heart. So it went beyond just a man, you know, making bad

01:11:42.720 decisions. The devil entered his heart and now he was doing the work of Satan. Now it was God's plan

01:11:49.920 for Christ to be crucified. It was God's plan for Jesus to bear the sins of the world. And that's

01:11:55.380 why it's so ridiculous for people to say, well, the Jewish people are responsible for the crucifixion

01:12:00.360 of Jesus. I'm responsible for the crucifixion of Jesus. My sins put him on the cross. And the Bible

01:12:06.840 even says it pleased the father to bruise him. So God orchestrated it. So it was a weird moment in

01:12:13.380 history where the devil and the father were working toward the same goal, but with a different

01:12:18.160 objective, Jesus was going to die. It is God making unbelievable lemonade out of lemons

01:12:26.580 every time. I mean, and I think Satan thinks he's going to win. It's like right now. I think

01:12:32.140 he's like, oh man, this is, this is my moment. This time I win. He has, God just must shake

01:12:38.820 his head. Like we shake our head. Our children are going, you just don't get it with him.

01:12:45.320 After all these years. Yeah. You still don't get it. Yeah. Well, I read the last page of

01:12:51.600 the Bible. We went in the end, Glenn. So we have to remember that there are setbacks, but

01:12:56.600 ultimately the word of God is going to prevail. And so we got to just press on each and every

01:13:02.460 day, put one foot in front of the other and do the best we can do. But, but pray for our

01:13:07.860 families, pray for our nation, give the good news of Jesus Christ out to people. And, uh,

01:13:15.020 and let's see what God will do. I think now you opened is just perfect. It's the best of times

01:13:19.700 and the worst of times. Let's pray that we have a spiritual awakening and it changes the course

01:13:25.260 of our country right now. Amen. Thank you. Thank you.

01:13:34.940 Just a reminder, I'd love you to rate and subscribe to the podcast and pass this on to a friend so it

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01:13:55.260 Bye.

The Glenn Beck Program - April 08, 2023

Ep 180 ｜ Is Another ‘Jesus Revolution’ Upon Us？｜ Greg Laurie ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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