Ep 180 ｜ Is Another ‘Jesus Revolution’ Upon Us？ ｜ Greg Laurie ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast
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1 hour and 13 minutes
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Summary
Greg Laurie is a senior pastor at Harvest Christian Fellowship, but before that, he played a crucial role in the biggest Christian revolution in American history, at least modern day history. In the 1960s, the hippies gave up their LSD and joined hands with Jesus people, and they became Jesus People.
Transcript
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Today it's going to be stormy, and the sky is red and overcast.
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You know how to interpret the appearance of the sky,
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but you can't interpret the signs of the times.
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Today's guest knows how to read the signs of the times.
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These days, he serves as a senior pastor at Harvest Christian Fellowship,
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but before that, he played a crucial role in the biggest Christian revolution in American history,
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A weird moment in the 1960s when the hippies gave up their LSD and joined hands with Jesus people,
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It's about the people within the hippie generation who truly did want peace and love,
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His story is at the heart of the Jesus revolution.
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Jonathan Rumi, the actor who plays Jesus in The Chosen, is unbelievable.
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captures one of the most misunderstood realities of Christianity.
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People don't go to church because they're perfect and have all the answers.
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Redemption from the things that are immune to everything else.
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One of the most important things you learn as a Christian
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How often do you think about making sure your wallet
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and you realize you've got four mortgages on your house.
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Home title fraud is growing two and a half times faster
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and verify your home's title is still in your name.
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You'll find out if your home is still in your name.
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I've asked my audience to join me on a fast in prayer for the nation.
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It is the best of times and the worst of times.
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The blessings that we have just over the horizon, game changing for all of humanity.
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And at the same time, we're just destroying ourselves.
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And I was talking to Jonathan Cahn today about the ancient gods that we are worshiping.
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So we have that going on and that beats people down.
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But we also have, I think, I hope, the beginning of what some people would call the third great awakening in America.
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And you've been through the last Jesus revolution.
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The Erwin brothers did a great job with your story.
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First, just for anybody who hasn't seen the movie or haven't heard your story, because the movie is your story.
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Well, it's the story of the last great spiritual awakening in America.
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And it's interesting because the title of the film is Jesus revolution in the day.
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We called it the Jesus movement and we called ourselves Jesus people, which I kind of like, you know,
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because you hear the word Christian, people load a lot of meaning to that, depending on your view of Christians,
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I think those are different than some Christians.
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And, and sometimes, uh, I mean, I've, I've thought about, you know, people say, what are you?
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Even if it's 400 years ago, it means dirty things.
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Well, the Christians never called themselves Christians.
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They, they call themselves followers of Jesus, followers of the way disciples.
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And it wasn't necessarily meant as a compliment, but it was meant as a description because a best definition of it is little Christ.
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It's like, these people are like little Christ walking around.
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And so, of course, we have adapted it and we believe it.
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And it's, it's a biblical thing to call yourself a Christian, but there's other ways you can define yourself.
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But for us, you know, we were people who came into a relationship with Jesus.
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Uh, I, myself, you know, my mother was married and divorced seven times.
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I had to grow up fast because I had to literally take care of her, even as a little boy.
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And, uh, she would pass out almost every night from drinking.
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I'd be in the car with her, you know, when I thought I was going to die.
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And, uh, it was a really, really hard upbringing and she was a violent drunk.
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She would get into fights with her husbands and one of them knocked her unconscious one night with a wooden statue.
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And she was laying on the floor in a pool of blood.
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And I'd climbed out the window and went to a neighbor's house and, and she left that guy.
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And so I knew as a kid, I thought, what is the meaning of life?
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Cause I looked at this adult world I was exposed to, and I didn't know a single adult that I was impressed by or admire.
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And we're hearing messages like, you know, turn on, tune in, drop out.
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So I started using drugs and for a couple of years and I realized this is a dead end street.
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Even before I was a Christian, I knew this is not the answer.
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We tried to show that when we, when I start, when my character played by Joel Courtney goes down this road and meets Kathy, my girlfriend at the time played by Anna Grace Barlow.
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So we're trying to show it looking exciting and a whole new world.
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And at first it was, but that's what sin is like.
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It's sort of like, it seems like a great idea to have six Krispy Kreme donuts until about 20 minutes later and you go into a food coma.
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I like Krispy Kreme donuts fine, but I'm just saying.
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No, I'm an alcoholic and I was just talking to somebody and we were talking about enabling people.
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And I said, you know, there'll be days where the best thing you could do for me to help me through just that moment would be to hand me a drink.
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But that would be the worst thing for me because it's a destroyer for people like me.
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So I, so I came to Christ and my high school campus.
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We called them Jesus freaks and we thought they're nuts.
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But I sat down one day out of curiosity because I thought, why would anyone believe this?
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And I was very cynical at 17 because of all that I've been exposed to.
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And I was looking at them and the problem was I knew a couple of them personally and I used to party with them and I knew they weren't crazy.
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And as I watched them singing songs about God, I thought, you know, they look pretty happy.
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And then I just tried this thought on first eyes.
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Now he's called, his name is Lonnie Frisbee in real life.
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And now this is a whole nother character, but he does so well in this character as well.
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And I don't remember most of what he said, but one statement that resonated with me was,
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And I thought, I've always believed God was there.
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I always believed Jesus was out there somewhere.
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That was the extent of my theological training.
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I went a few couple of times with my grandparents as a very small boy.
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And then he said, and if you want to accept Jesus Christ into your life right now, walk forward.
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I'm thinking it's a high school campus at lunchtime.
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And a couple of kids walked forward and I just hung my head.
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And I thought, there's no way I could ever do that.
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And Glenn, next thing I knew, I was up there praying this prayer.
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He's sort of like my role model for evangelism.
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I was saying to someone the other day who said they admired Billy.
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I said, I can tell you privately, he was more impressive than he was publicly.
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And when you would sit at a table with Billy, the first thing he'd say is, tell me about
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And he'd listen because he really liked, he loved people.
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And he was the most humble man I've ever met and the most godly man I've ever met and
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So, well, I pray this prayer and I ask Christ to come into my life.
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And, and so a couple of days pass and some guy comes to me and says, you need to come
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And I said, oh, I don't really know that I want to go to church.
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I'm going to take you to this church called Calvary Chapel.
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And this guy was persistent because you're coming.
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So he picks me up at my house and I go to this church called Calvary Chapel and I walk
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right into the middle of a spiritual awakening and I didn't know it.
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A lot of times we don't know what something is until some time passes.
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And now we look back in retrospect and we say that was a revival.
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So it was Time Magazine that dubbed it the Jesus Revolution.
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And I think that was very insightful of them because we didn't think of it as a revolution,
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but in many ways it was because, you know, we're talking about sexual revolution back
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in those days, political revolution, overthrow the government.
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And we had a revolution, but a lot of people don't even know about it.
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It would be approximately 1969 to around 1972 or so.
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So what's interesting is the Jesus Revolution comes at the end of this movement for a revolution.
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What made that go from drug, sex, and rock and roll to connecting to Jesus?
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I think it was almost like a whole generation was experiencing what I was experiencing personally.
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You know, our leaders were cut down before our eyes.
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Earlier in the 60s, President Kennedy, of course, but then later, you know, Martin Luther King
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and Robert Kennedy and then the Watergate scandal, of course, you know, happening.
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And and then all of our rock icons dying in short order, ironically, all at the age of 27.
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Jim Morrison, lead singer of The Doors, Janis Joplin, Jimi Hendrix, Brian Jones of the Rolling Stones.
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So all these people are dying and this and we're seeing how empty it is.
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It's like we went to psychedelic, psychedelic day glow colors to black and white.
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And it was and it was, you know, really a drug.
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Woods from Woodstock to a concert called Altamont.
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That was, you know, the security was done by Hell's Angels and the Stones are playing there.
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So it was like everyone was seeing the hippie dream was dead because the hippie dream was not a dream.
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But but it was pointing to something that was real.
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There was some good things, love, brotherhood, acceptance.
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And so you go to church and the way it's depicted, Kelsey Grammer is the pastor.
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And and and it's a lot like I remember going to church with my grandparents.
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Before before it gets good with the people who are just.
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And I remember those days as a kid because I'm younger, a bit younger than you.
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And I remember those days and my grandmother and grandfather looking at hippies.
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Because they associated them not with Jesus, but with the drug, sex and rock and roll.
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And so that acceptance was hard for you, I would imagine.
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And I think to Chuck's credit is he left his comfort zone and was willing to open the
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doors to something that no one knew anything about.
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Today, you go to a church, you see a worship band doing rock and roll.
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Back in those days, there were no electric guitars.
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And the occasional acoustic guitar might show up for a little folk version of something.
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Now it's an industry called contemporary Christian music.
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Then it was an expression of faith that was happening.
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And so he was willing to open the doors and let it happen.
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Chuck was like a really practical kind of a guy.
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He wasn't trying to be cool, but he was like a father figure that was welcoming.
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We needed a stable father figure, not some adult trying to, you know, relate to the kids.
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And then Lonnie was Lonnie and Chuck were sort of like nitrile meeting glycerin, peanut butter
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meeting jelly, Lennon meeting McCartney, you know, just sort of the power of the right
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And Chuck restrained Lonnie in the best way from his impulses to go too far.
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But Lonnie had that electricity that helped to bring kids in.
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So it was like we came for Lonnie and we stayed for Chuck.
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And it wasn't until later that I realized that.
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So John Irwin, the director of the Jesus Revolution film, came to me with a copy of that
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Time magazine with that psychedelic image of Jesus on the cover.
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And he said, someone told me you were around at this time, made me feel very old.
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So he throws it in front of me and says, tell me about it.
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So as we began to talk, John has been wanting to make this film forever.
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He sort of built it around the storyline of my life.
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Then Chuck Smith is a pastor who, you know, his church isn't doing that well.
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And he wants to reach younger people to Lonnie Frisbee, this hippie evangelist.
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And I think it connects to a lot of people on a bunch of different levels.
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Because I've had different people say, oh, I love the story of you and your mother.
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Someone else will say, well, I love the story of Kathy.
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That's my wife and her father and how he felt about all of this.
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And someone else will connect to a different part of it.
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You know, we're all flawed people who met God and he changed our lives.
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And I believe, Glenn, we might be poised to see another spiritual awakening.
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Because I do think there's real parallels between the late 60s, early 70s, and the moment we're in in American history.
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So I just, I wrote, as you're telling the story, I just wrote down a couple of things.
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People are committing suicide because there's nothing out there.
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We didn't want somebody who was trying to be cool and relate to us.
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These are the same things that are going on right now.
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And I feel like the answer is not going to be found again in the church.
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Whenever we have these awakenings, the church is usually.
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I mean, besides the government, the last to get it.
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I would say of all the awakenings we've had in America and historically, that's pretty much true.
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I mean, there's still pastors and things like that, but they're not the popular ones.
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What they're usually on the outside fringes and and they're the ones that don't have a lot to lose.
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So, you know, there was this prayer meeting that went on forever up in Asbury, you know, that we've talked a lot about.
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And and then it spread and and you wonder, is this the beginning of something new?
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Because even in this movie, Glenn, I've heard crazy stories, crazy in the best way of people coming to faith, watching this movie.
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I heard one story of in the middle of the movie, just as my character is about to get baptized in the movie, the projector, whatever it broke.
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The film stopped and some young lady got up and said in the theater full of people, does anybody need prayer for anything?
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And someone says, yes, I can use prayer for this.
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And some people prayed and accepted Christ in a movie theater.
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I heard another story of people that were so excited after they saw the film that they wanted to be baptized and they baptized him in the fountain in front of the theater.
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And then Jack Graham, who's a pastor here in town, a good friend of mine, told me that some folks from his church were at a theater here in Texas.
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And after the movie was over, they saw some young men like visibly moved with tears in their eyes.
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So these Christians approached them and said, are you guys OK?
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And they said, we just want to know how we can have what's in this movie.
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So I see this as these are really promising signs to me of something maybe coming.
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And after it was over, these two teenage girls stand up.
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We just we just want to pray with anybody who wants to pray.
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And then I said to my wife, hang on for a second.
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We walked over to them, these two teenage girls.
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And we all just hugged each other and just prayed.
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So that says to me, it's not about a movie now.
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This is exciting because the Jesus movement was a movement of young people.
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And the Bible says, Simon Peter said on the day of Pentecost,
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in the last days, I'll pour my spirit out on all flesh.
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Your sons and your daughters will prophesy and your old men will dream dreams and your
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So when I first heard that verse, I was the young man seeing visions.
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But my dream is I want to see this again in my lifetime.
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And so it's sort of like when I go out walking with my wife, my wife has really thick, beautiful
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And I said, Kathy Baldwin always know when it's raining first.
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Oh, look at this thing that happened in Asbury that went up for weeks of young people praying.
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Oh, look at these people coming to faith in movie theaters.
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And look at this other thing that's happening over here.
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So this, to me, we need a, we need a spiritual awakening in America so badly.
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Things are so dark right now and it is a spiritual battle that we're engaged in.
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And the most powerful weapon we have in our arsenal as Christians is the proclamation of
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And, and so there is a place obviously for registering, voting, making our voice heard, doing everything
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But having said that, the things that really are powerful that we often leave unused are,
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Like you're asking for people to pray tomorrow.
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And Acts chapter 12, Simon Peter was in prison and they had already killed James.
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And there's a great little verse that says, constant prayer was offered to God for him by the church.
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So that, and the end of that story is Peter was sprung from prison
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Constant prayer was offered to God by the church.
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And then secondly, to just tell people how they can come to Jesus.
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Look, when I was 17, I was a completely liberal person.
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I would parrot all of the popular statements of kids that day.
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I was against everything and I didn't even know why, but I just was because that's what I did.
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So I think the best thing I can do is reach out and say, there's a God in heaven who loves you
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and has a plan for your life and you can be forgiven of your sin.
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And you don't have to use drugs and you don't have to think your life doesn't matter
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And I want to tell you how to come into this relationship with the Lord.
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So let me let me take you let me take you back to Lonnie.
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Yeah, because in the movie, I mean, again, he's played and played by the guy who plays Jesus.
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And so you you have this expectation because he's amazing.
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And in the movie, it doesn't end great for him.
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But in real life, it was really tragic what happened to him.
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He his mother divorced and his stepfather was very harsh with him.
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He was molested as a young boy and by his own admission, before he became a Christian, he
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was in San Francisco experimenting sexually in every way, as well as with drugs.
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And he came to faith and he married a woman named Connie.
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And so this is around the time that he came to Calvary Chapel and he met Chuck.
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So during this time that the movie covers, which is about a two year period, Lonnie was
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But him and Chuck had disagreements into the direction that Lonnie wanted to go.
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Lonnie left of his own volition to go to Florida.
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And so now fast forward a number of years, Lonnie, by his own admission and wrote about
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it in his autobiography, he fell away from the Lord.
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He went back into sexual promiscuity and he got the AIDS virus.
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And actually, I went and saw him when he was in hospice care.
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This would have been early 90s, like 91 or two, because I remember we were just starting
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our crusades and stadiums and he was aware of that.
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And so now, you know, what I'm doing is connected to what you did.
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And so Lonnie said, you know, wrote in his book, I've never identified as a gay man.
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I believe homosexuality is a sin, as a matter of fact.
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And he knew he paid pretty much the ultimate price for that, getting AIDS, but was sorry for
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And I remember we're sitting in a room that he was in.
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There was a big fire in the fireplace and lighting his face up.
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And this emaciated Lonnie Frisbee, this tragic figure says, God's going to use me to preach
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And my friend and I who were sitting there are both thinking that's not going to happen.
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But then someone brought to my attention the other day, did you ever stop and consider
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the fact that in this movie, he's preaching to thousands of people?
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You think God gave him a glimpse into his future?
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But the reality is he was a part of this spark between him and Chuck.
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We're saying in this time there was none of that going on later.
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I mean, Abraham lied and David committed adultery and then tried to cover it up, ultimately
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And Noah got drunk after the ark landed safely on the land and halt, held the coats while
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Paul was not a good, but that standing there, here, hold your coat.
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But, you know, God can draw a straight line with a crooked stick.
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And if you look at the Bible, it seems like God goes out of his way to choose ordinary
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I can tell you, I would bet my life, many were chosen by God who failed to stand.
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He was just the, I think he was the eighth choice.
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He just finally stood up and said, yeah, okay, I'll do it.
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Is it because all of the really good people have too much to lose?
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Uh, you were saying that, um, when somebody doesn't have anything to lose, maybe they're
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more willing to take a risk, but actually the Bible addresses this topic and it says,
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God chooses the foolish things of the world to confound the wise.
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So I think when you have a, you know, a person who's obviously very talented, very educated,
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very, and God can use those people and he does.
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But sometimes the Lord will pick that unexpected person to do an unexpected work.
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So when it's all said and done, we'll look and say, Hmm, I don't think that person could
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So I think it gives hope for all of us because I'm about as ordinary as they come.
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I can tell you that, um, you just made me think of something.
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Um, you remember the movie Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory?
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Willy Wonka is sitting in the, uh, Wonka Vader or whatever it's called.
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And they're flying through the sky and he looks at Charlie and he says, I knew if I picked
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And only the broken, again, alcoholic, my mom committed suicide when I was young.
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She was addicted to drugs and, uh, and once you're absolutely broken, then you'll do it
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Cause you're like, I don't want to do it my way anymore.
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You know, God can take the mess of our life and turn it into a message.
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The Bible says he can bring beauty out of ashes and, you know, it's quite amazing when
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And it doesn't always happen because you can also become a bitter, angry person.
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But I mean, if you allow, if you accept the atonement, all of a sudden you're seeing all
00:34:19.760
the things that you were afraid would destroy you, the, all the things you did wrong, all the
00:34:24.860
things that you hid, all of a sudden they're being used in ways that you could not have
00:34:33.840
Like Joseph said, his brothers, he was, you know, sold by his brothers into slavery.
00:34:38.860
And then he ascended to be, to the, become the most powerful man in all of Egypt next
00:34:48.000
He said, you meant it for evil, but God meant it for good to save many people alive.
00:34:51.780
So I think, you know, as you look back in your life, Glenn, and I look back in mine, you
00:34:56.960
know, God has used these things like 14 years ago, our oldest son, Christopher died in an
00:35:03.680
And it was, you know, I looked at all of the pain of my childhood.
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However, I can see that good has come despite this tragedy.
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I don't feel like I need to say, oh, this happened.
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And, and I believe the events of life can make us better or better.
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And so I've chosen, you know, it broke me and, and it, you know, and I feel like a part
00:35:47.240
It gives you sometimes a greater compassion for a person because you think I used to be
00:35:52.820
So you're not so, you know, above them all and, you know, all, you know, what's wrong
00:35:59.020
You go, no, I understand these struggles that people face and care about them and, and try
00:36:04.300
to reach out to them and just have a heart for people because people are hurting.
00:36:10.260
And I think we need to just tell them that there's hope in this crazy world we're living
00:36:17.200
And, uh, so God uses these events in our life and, and it's clear because God's made you
00:36:22.960
the man you are and to do what you uniquely do.
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And you have a, you know, certain way about what you do that really connects to people.
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I think you put a lot of heart in what you do as well as bringing great information.
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So I want to talk to you a little bit about, um, the meaning of, of life because there's
00:38:55.600
No, we have rejected, we've, we've put, uh, so many idols in front of us that we're worshiping,
00:39:04.400
you know, our handheld devices or whatever it is.
00:39:08.080
We spend so much time gazing onto those things that we are becoming.
00:39:12.540
Um, and, uh, and it's leading to suicide and, um, I want you just to talk about that for a
00:39:26.460
second on, um, um, I think there's people that either completely lose hope because nothing
00:39:36.840
they sing has meaning just like you didn't believe in anybody over 30, um, or they are trapped
00:39:44.780
in this world of, no, you don't know what I did.
00:39:57.620
Well, it's such a unique time in human history.
00:40:01.020
I mean, I said, there's parallels between, uh, early seventies, late sixties and today,
00:40:06.320
but then there's unique features of the time we're living in.
00:40:09.040
I mean, and social media has just created, it's almost like crazy Pandora's box.
00:40:17.480
Like you said earlier, the best of times, the worst of times, it's like so good and so
00:40:22.440
bad simultaneously, depending on what you make it.
00:40:25.400
But all of us would probably admit to, you know, spending too much time looking at our
00:40:29.960
I'll sometimes just scroll through the, uh, Instagram feed, these little videos.
00:40:35.020
And it's, it's like, it's almost like a drug or something because like, I'll go, wait,
00:40:40.560
And, you know, and so I think that, um, with all of this technology and now with the explosion
00:40:48.820
of artificial intelligence, you know, and then all that's going on in the world, it
00:40:53.920
reminds me so much of when I was a young man with the bomb drills.
00:40:57.620
It's like, we see a, a bolder, more powerful China, you know, that's been emerging for a
00:41:03.040
long time, but now militarily, economically, and, and, you know, and all the other things
00:41:08.960
happening in the world today, it's very frightening time and drugs today, like fentanyl with, I
00:41:14.280
think 300 fentanyl deaths a day and suicide up.
00:41:18.420
There was a report that was just done recently, uh, by the CDC talking about how young girls
00:41:26.580
And I just read an article today about young boys taking their lives at an unprecedented
00:41:31.840
rate and, you know, we've done all of this, all these social experiments, changing everything
00:41:38.420
and we're sowing the wind and now we're reaping the whirlwind.
00:41:42.220
And so the solution is, it's very simple in a way, and it's really something we have to
00:41:54.160
Like wall street journal had an article recently about how a patriotism is down and church attendance
00:42:00.740
is down and, and love of money is up or the, the, the people think that that is a, uh, uh,
00:42:08.900
A virtue or a, a, a pillar of to be an American.
00:42:17.020
So all these things I think are interconnected.
00:42:19.100
And I think, I don't know, it was 1962 or three when it was illegal to read scripture
00:42:29.160
And then you fast forward to a 66 time magazine cover black with reversed out red letters is
00:42:36.880
And then 1972 or so the psychedelic image of Jesus, Jesus revolution.
00:42:46.160
So I believe that it's a relationship with God.
00:42:50.200
You know, cultural Christianity is dead and I'm not sorry about that.
00:42:54.840
And there was a cultural Christianity that did have some positive virtues when I was
00:42:59.580
a child, that even the shows we would watch on TV, father knows best, leave it to beaver.
00:43:12.540
So, so those are Cosby show in the 90s before he went back.
00:43:21.240
Well, his character was, but it was a positive role model of a father.
00:43:25.060
Instead of making the father, the buffoon and, and the brunt of jokes, father did have
00:43:30.220
wisdom and it was father and mother were together and family mattered, but, but there was a sort
00:43:35.840
of a cultural Christianity earlier in America and the fifties and the early sixties. And I,
00:43:42.300
I don't think we need cultural Christianity. This is about a relationship with God. We need
00:43:47.540
to turn to God individually. And I, and I believe I see young people changing. You just
00:43:53.240
told a story of a young person in a theater. See, God can change the course of that single
00:43:58.500
young person. And they're really searching. This is what this is all about. Even the gender
00:44:03.640
identity issues. Uh, they're, they're, they're not comfortable in their own body. They think
00:44:08.820
it's something else. The something else is a someone else, what they're really looking
00:44:14.040
for. And they just don't know it yet as they're looking for God because God shaped whole it
00:44:19.300
is. And the Bible says, uh, he has placed eternity in our hearts. This is unique of people. God
00:44:26.680
has made us in our image. And there's something in us that's looking for this through our life.
00:44:31.240
I was as a young man, people are still looking for him today. And the answer has not changed.
00:44:36.920
And God says, I'm here. I'm ready to forgive you of your sin. I'm ready to cleanse you and
00:44:43.400
change you and give you a fresh start in life. And now that's kind of what I talk about. Not
00:44:47.980
kind of, that is what I talk about. That's what I'll be talking about this Easter. That's what
00:44:53.000
I talk about pretty much every Sunday. And even the people individually, I talk to them
00:44:57.800
about their need for a relationship with the Lord through Christ. Why?
00:45:04.960
You can probably tell by looking at me, I avoid exercise like the plague. Uh, the Lord and I
00:45:11.000
are, we, I just have to understand why is it everything I like is bad for me and everything
00:45:16.820
that is good for me. I really don't like, I mean, getting me to do, you know, service
00:45:23.220
every time I'm driving, you know, to do something, I'm like, Oh my. And then afterwards, you're
00:45:31.720
like, I should be doing this all the time. That's right. Why is it that, that God shaped
00:45:40.120
whole is the last thing that people will try? You know what I mean? Why is that? Do you
00:45:50.020
suppose? That's a really good question. I'm not sure if I know the answer to it. It's,
00:45:54.480
it's kind of like, there it is right in front of you, but you feel like you want to try everything
00:45:59.020
else. And sometimes for some people it has to be like a process of elimination. Is it because
00:46:03.640
it's, you think it's too hard? Maybe you think it's too easy. Maybe you think it can't be
00:46:11.200
that. It couldn't be that. And you know, and I think that that is maybe because you don't
00:46:17.440
understand that you could say, Oh, that religion, Jesus thing, that's what my parents or my grandparents
00:46:23.400
did. Well, maybe they did or maybe they didn't. I don't know what their relationship with God
00:46:28.800
was, but Jesus says, come on to me, all of you who are labor, laboring and are heavy laden,
00:46:34.740
and I will give you rest. And so what I often say is, look, I'm sorry that there's hypocrites in the
00:46:40.580
church, but Jesus didn't say, follow my people. He said, follow me. So this is it. You need to come
00:46:47.400
to God and say, I don't understand you. I don't know that much about you, but if you're real, make
00:46:52.880
yourself real to me and God will hear and respond to a prayer like that. And I think it, it really
00:46:59.620
comes down to that encounter with God. And we've seen a lot of bad examples and we've seen some good
00:47:04.800
examples, but, um, but ultimately it's about you and God. And one day we're all going to stand before
00:47:09.960
God. And it's going to be, the question is not going to be, did you live a good life? Cause some
00:47:15.160
people think a lot of people think if I live a good life, God will let me into heaven. There's no basis
00:47:19.980
for that anywhere. You know, we wouldn't even use the word heaven if we had not read it in the
00:47:25.400
Bible. So how can we take something that's clearly from the Bible and then redefine other things that
00:47:31.760
the Bible clearly says about how we get to this place that it told us about in the first place.
00:47:36.440
It tells us there's a heaven. It tells us there's a God. It tells us there's a devil. It tells us we
00:47:42.520
have a choice. It tells us how to come to him. It tells us what God did to make that possible through
00:47:48.500
Jesus dying on the cross. That's what we'll celebrate on Good Friday and rising again from
00:47:53.080
the dead. That's what we'll celebrate on Sunday. It's all there. And there's gates that you must
00:47:59.300
pass. He had to pass through them. Yeah. Yeah. He was in the garden of Gethsemane sweating blood
00:48:08.080
basically. And as he contemplated the horrors of what was ahead, bearing the sins of the world,
00:48:14.380
you know, Jesus was God, which means he knew everything. And it was bad enough to know that
00:48:20.520
his beard would be ripped from his face and the crown of thorns would be pressed on his head and
00:48:25.080
they'd strike him with their fists and pound spikes through his hands and his feet. But the thing that
00:48:30.320
Jesus recoiled from, even more than that, was the horror of taking the sin of the world upon himself.
00:48:37.240
And that is why he said, Father, if it's possible, let this cup pass through me. Nevertheless,
00:48:42.060
not my will, but yours be done. The cup was that because Jesus, you know, he never even had a
00:48:48.680
thought out of alignment with his father. He never committed a single sin. And now to take on all of
00:48:54.420
your sin and my sin and all of our sin upon himself. That's a, that's a fate worse than death,
00:49:01.900
but he did it. And that's what the Cal, what Calvary is all about. That's what the cross is all about
00:49:07.900
as Christ was absorbing the judgment of God that should have come upon me, upon himself.
00:49:13.820
And he was dying, as you said, atoning for our sin.
00:49:19.560
You think that happened at Gethsemane, not on the cross?
00:49:24.920
Yeah. His taking on that. That's when he was sweating blood. Cause it was like you said,
00:49:31.060
yeah, it had to be, uh, it had to make the crucifix look almost like a picnic.
00:49:40.000
I think it probably happened on the cross when he cried out the, there are seven statements Christ
00:49:45.560
gave from the cross. The first was father, forgive them for they know not what they do.
00:49:50.540
And then he ultimately said, my God, my God, why have you forsaken me? Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani.
00:49:57.080
It is believed by many scholars, uh, that that's the moment when the sin of the world was placed
00:50:03.280
upon Christ. Because after that, he says, it is finished. One word to tell us die. It is completed.
00:50:10.040
It is done. It is finished. And then he says into your hands, father, I commit my spirit. So he had
00:50:16.000
done it. This is what he came to do. And then of course he rose again.
00:50:20.780
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use the discount code Glenn. That's Eden pure deals.com. You know, you talk about the heaven,
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hell devil. I, I, we're seeing belief in God go down. Um, but it's shocking to me how many
00:52:08.260
people don't believe in evil when, you know, it's hard to understand the period in the 1930s
00:52:21.260
and forties in Germany without an understanding of evil that just seem to, uh, I don't know,
00:52:31.480
to inhabit the people. Um, and you look at our society where we have gone from safe, legal and
00:52:43.420
rare to shout your abortion. You should be proud of that to let's do these medical experiments on
00:52:52.720
children. Yes. And it's in our culture, Sweden, Finland, England, they're all turning away saying,
00:52:59.360
no, no, no, no, no, no, no. France. It's us. Yeah. When you're seeing the rise of all in the name of
00:53:08.220
compassion, you know, euthanasia of kids who are depressed in Canada. Wow. Can you talk a little bit
00:53:17.840
about evil as a force and the difference between fighting flesh and bone and principalities?
00:53:27.480
Yeah. Well, as, as surely as there is a God in heaven who loves us, there's a devil headed to hell
00:53:33.980
who hates us. And he's a fallen angel known as Lucifer. Now we call him Satan. The Bible calls him
00:53:42.520
the prince of the power of the air. And so that speaks of a, of a realm of demonic powers that are
00:53:49.900
under him, which are fallen angels that do his bidding. There's one devil. He's not the equal of
00:53:56.020
God. God is all knowing. Satan is limited knowledge. God is all powerful. Satan is limited power.
00:54:02.360
God is omnipresent, present everywhere. Satan can only be in one place at one time, but he has these
00:54:07.440
demon forces and what's his agenda. Jesus summed it up very clearly. He says, a thief, speaking of
00:54:13.100
Satan comes only to steal, kill and destroy. But then he contrasted himself with that and said,
00:54:19.100
but I have come Jesus speaking to give you life and not more abundantly. So here's our choice,
00:54:24.860
life or death. God says in scripture, I set before you death and life, blessings and curses,
00:54:32.280
choose life. Choose life that you may live. It's almost like a teacher in a classroom and they're
00:54:38.040
giving the final exam and they're saying, you have to get this question right to pass the exam. By the
00:54:42.700
way, here's the answer to the question. And God saying, here's life. It's before you life, death,
00:54:48.740
you choose. By the way, I love how he puts in choose life. Like I'm telling you, do this, but it is our
00:54:54.820
choice. And so every day we have a choice to, to even as a Christian, to yield to Satan and his
00:55:01.820
temptations and his enticements and our selfishness and our pride and, and all the things that we do
00:55:09.200
or to yield to God and to, as a Christian, to open his word, to pray, to, to be humble before him.
00:55:16.140
You know, the funny thing you're talking about serving, the last thing you want to do is serve
00:55:20.240
someone else. But the reality is the Bible teaches, if you lose your life, you find your life. That's
00:55:25.900
what Jesus said. And when you help others, they actually have a term for it. It's called the helper's
00:55:31.740
high. It's a medical term that they use to describe the release of endorphins when you
00:55:37.560
help somebody or do something for someone besides yourself. So we think it's all about me. Get
00:55:42.960
everything I can and I'll be happy. Bible teaches the opposite. It's actually about others giving
00:55:48.640
out, but ultimately starting with receiving from God. So there is a devil, he's active. And
00:55:54.820
I believe it's Satan literally whispering in the ears of these young people today, take your
00:55:59.940
life. Nobody cares about you. You don't matter.
00:56:03.220
I think it is the influence of Satan as well. That is the moving force behind so many things
00:56:12.860
that are being said in, in public, in, in compassion. You know, I've, you know, the war
00:56:21.140
and we don't know anything about the war in heaven and the, you know, the fall of Satan,
00:56:25.020
but we do know God chose the plan of salvation with Jesus and not Satan's plan. And Satan's plan
00:56:33.260
was I'll make all the decisions. I'll make all the decisions. I'll bring them all back. Give me the
00:56:37.640
glory. And I never understood how a third of the angels could be lost. You're standing there,
00:56:44.500
you're looking at him, you're looking at God, you know, the same arguments that we're having over
00:56:51.020
and over again. Yeah. He wants you to be hurt. He wants you to suffer. Yeah. I'll make sure no one
00:56:57.540
suffers. Yes. And we are, everything starts to be cloaked in compassion. Yes. And before you know
00:57:08.220
it, you realize I'm in a cage. Yeah. Well, he's an angel of light. If the devil were to appear,
00:57:15.780
he wouldn't have red skin, horns, pointed ears in the pitchfork. He'd be an angel of light.
00:57:22.160
He would be very impressive. And, uh, you know, sin makes you stupid. That's the bottom line.
00:57:28.160
And so why did the angels fall? Explain that. Sin makes you stupid. Well,
00:57:32.120
when you come into the power of sin, you don't think rationally and, and you're, maybe it's the
00:57:38.200
pleasure. Even the Bible says there's pleasures in sin for a season, but afterwards comes death.
00:57:44.080
So the idea is there's a certain euphoria and excitement when you break the rules and,
00:57:49.320
and cast off the restraints and run off and do what you want to do. But then you face the
00:57:54.420
repercussions of those bad decisions. And so it's very appealing and enticing on the front end. Go
00:58:01.080
back to the garden of Eden. You know, Satan offers to Eve the forbidden fruit. We always see an apple.
00:58:06.880
The Bible never says an apple. I wouldn't have been tempted by an apple. Apples are okay. A
00:58:11.960
nectarine. Maybe. I think it probably was a piece of fruit. Like we've never seen. It probably
00:58:16.660
pulsated with light, had its own theme song. Who knows? But whatever it was, it was like, wow.
00:58:22.520
And what was the appeal? Go ahead and eat. And in the day you eat thereof, you will be as a God
00:58:27.940
knowing good and evil. Eve, you'll be a goddess. Go for it. And so that's still the, the enticement
00:58:35.160
today that comes to us. You know, you can be in control. You can have everything and it's empty
00:58:41.300
promises. And they ate of the forbidden fruit and sin enters the human race. But so we have to come
00:58:46.820
to our senses. There's a story that Jesus told. And I love this story because Jesus shows us what
00:58:52.260
God is like. We wonder, what is God like? Okay. Here's what God is like. According to Jesus, God is
00:58:57.500
like a father who loves us. And he tells the story of a father with two sons. One of the sons goes astray,
00:59:04.340
takes his portion of the inheritance, consorts with hookers, drinking, ruins his life, finally
00:59:11.820
comes to his senses and says, I will return home to my father and say, I don't even deserve to be a
00:59:17.720
son. Just make me, you know, hired hand. But while, and this is Jesus speaking, while he was a great way
00:59:23.660
off, the father saw him and ran to his son and threw his arms around him and kissed him and said,
00:59:29.700
rejoice with me, this my son who is dead is alive again. And he was lost is found. So what is God
00:59:35.720
like? God is like a father who misses his son, who misses his daughter, who longs for our return. He
00:59:42.660
allows us to make our own choices as the prodigal did. But when we come to our senses and come back
00:59:48.860
to him, he's not going to beat us. He's going to forgive us of all of our sin and welcome us. But
00:59:55.280
then he changed the son. So because sometimes people say, well, God loves me just the way that
01:00:00.040
I am. Yes, but he doesn't want to leave you that way. So when you really come into a relationship
01:00:05.300
with Jesus Christ, you need to, as the Bible says, repent of your sin. You say, I'm not going to do
01:00:10.620
that anymore. The father said, put clean clothes on him and put a ring in his finger. It's like,
01:00:15.240
okay, son, you stink. You've been hanging out with pigs. Let's clean you up. So you don't have to
01:00:20.140
clean your life up and come to Christ. But when you come to Christ, he'll clean your life up.
01:00:25.320
So you come with your addictions, you come with your problems, you come with your guilt.
01:00:29.600
You say, I'm sorry to God. And he can take everything and change it for you. I've seen
01:00:34.960
it happen in so many lives. It is, uh, it's remarkable. Um, but I think people are convinced
01:00:44.760
that that just, that can't happen for them. Uh, you know, I said, uh, went through a tough
01:00:51.980
period here recently with my kids and I had, uh, a couple of them were suicidal and another
01:00:59.380
one had just gone off the beaten path. And I was just struggling one day, just trying to
01:01:08.140
hold everything together. And I'm sitting at dinner with my family. And I said, I'm
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you know what the problem is about for parents being a parent. My kids went, no. And I said,
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you never stop loving your children. Yeah. And I think that's how God feels like, I just want
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my child to be happy. I just want my child to be whole. I just, I want them to know I love
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them and it doesn't have to be this way, but in the end it's their choice and I will be
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there and I'm going to counsel them, but I'm going to let them make their own choice. And
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I have to stand there and just go, I'm anxious to see how that works out for you. Yes. And
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hopefully you'll come back, but it's, it's always, if I, if I, if I wouldn't have a strong
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relationship with my kids, they would be afraid that I would judge them or I would look at them
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differently. Yeah. And, uh, and that's what that's that God's the perfect parent. Yes. My oldest son,
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Christopher, who I mentioned earlier, who, uh, died in an automobile accident 14 years ago,
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he went through a little, what I would call a prodigal phase. And I always kept contact open with
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him and, uh, I would always reach out to him. And he said to a friend of ours later, I found this out
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later. He said, I always knew where I sort of stood with God by my relationship with my father. When
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there wasn't relation, you know, when I wasn't right with my, with God, I was, things were tense with my
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dad, but he said, the thing that brought me back and Christopher returned to the Lord, he says, was I
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knew my father loved me unconditionally. And I thought, okay, that's the greatest compliment that could be
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paid that he knew I loved him unconditionally. And then he returned to the Lord. And then he was
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called unexpectedly home to heaven. I have another son named Jonathan and, uh, he was struggling with
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drugs, Glenn. And, um, so, and I wasn't even aware of his struggle at this time. And he said to his older
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brother, Christopher, who had made this recommitment to Christ, I'm struggling with this. You got to help
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me. And Christopher turned to Jonathan and said, Jonathan, what's it going to take for you to get right
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with God? And Jonathan determined the next day he wanted to talk to his brother more. And that next
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day, July 24th is when Christopher went to be with the Lord. This so hit Jonathan that he threw all of
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his drugs out, made a commitment to follow Jesus. And now today is an associate pastor at our church.
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And so not only is he walking with the Lord, but he's actually teaching the word of God and preaching
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the gospel. And so I say, you know, never give up on your kids. Keep loving your kids.
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We don't need to preach to them. We need to be the sermon that you, you don't want to give them the
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message, but then you live it. And they see that and they know that. And I think they need to always
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know that they can come home and we're there to love them. And that's how God is toward us. I think
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what you said is exactly right. Let me ask you as a parent, I see parents of families who they are
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exceptional families. I mean, exceptional, you know, praying all the time, just so sweet. So kind.
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And sometimes their family is perfect. Other times their family is a mess. I've seen people whose
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family, whose family is amazing and the parents are a mess. I know as a parent, when something happens,
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your kids go awry. It's, it's just diabolical. You think about, I should have done more of this.
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I should have done this. Um, speak to parents that are struggling because I don't even know what
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to do as a parent now. It's so foreign to me and my childhood. I don't even know. Speak to parents
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who have really done their best, may not have done everything right, but really did their best.
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Yeah. Well, I think that if you've made mistakes as a parent, it's okay to apologize to a child. I
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think we feel, well, I can't do that because that would somehow undermine my authority in their life.
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No, they already know you screwed up. Why don't you just admit it? And they'll probably respect you
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more for it. So, you know what? I haven't been the father I should have been. And I want to apologize.
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So the mother I should have been, and I'm sorry for that. And I want you to forgive me. And I want
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to start over again and do the best that I can do. That'd probably go a lot further than you think
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it would go, but you need to show them, you know, you can't take someone any further than you yourself
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have gone. And I think the idea is you want, you do need to model it for them. I have a friend,
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Franklin Graham. I know, you know, Franklin. I mean, he was raised in the home of Billy and Ruth
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Graham for Pete's sake. And I, you know, I, I mentioned, I got to know Billy and Ruth. I spent
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time in their home. They were the most wonderful couple. They were down to earth. They were fun.
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They were godly. They were what you would want a Christian couple to be. And yet Franklin
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would crawl out on the roof in the middle of the night.
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And so, you know, he had this time of rebellion. So you can be, look, if, if, if a kid messing up
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meant that you had failed as a parent, then God is a bad parent, right? Because how many of us mess
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up and we have a perfect heavenly father and God is not a bad parent. The point is we have a free will.
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We have to sometimes learn things the hard way, unfortunately, but as a parent, you want to model
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it for your kids. You want to teach it to them. And I've always found the best way to teach my
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children and now my grandchildren is I just weave it into everyday life. You know, Moses said,
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teach these things to your children. When you get up in the morning, when you walk in the way,
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when you go to sleep at night. So it's just like, instead of saying, now I'm going to preach a sermon
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to you, or we're going to have a two hour devotional time before you leave the house, you know, just
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weave it into life. There's nothing wrong with setting time apart. In fact, that's a good thing
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to open the Bible and pray and with your children, but, but look for those teaching moments with them
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and enter their lives and take an interest in what they're doing. Listen to them, you know,
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let them talk to you, uh, ask them questions. And I think it's hard when you get older,
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because you feel like you want to always be the one with the answers, but you can learn a lot from
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younger people. And cause I like to find out what they're dealing with and thinking about so I can
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appropriately bring truth to them, but not beat them over the head with it, but try to explain
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sometimes using my life as an illustration and mistakes I've made and things I've learned.
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It's a, it's a hard job. It's like, uh, Mark Twain said, um, loose paraphrase. You've probably heard
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this. It's, um, when your child reaches the age of like, I think 14, he says, put them in a barrel
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and put the lid down on tight and feed them through the open hole. And then when they hit 16,
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plug up the hole, right? Something to that effect. And so juvenile, uh, delinquency and teenage
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rebellion is not unique to our time. And I think we just do the best we can do. Pray for God's
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wisdom and his strength and his help and just keep loving our kids. And they see that and they know
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that. And yeah, I think it, it will resonate and prayerfully and hopefully they'll, they'll come back.
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Let me ask you one more question. Yes. Easter weekend. Yes. I go back and forth on Judas.
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Um, in the time they were expecting a warrior. Yeah. Jesus was not the warrior that they were
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expecting. Yes. Um, and it's kind of like Adam and Eve, uh, Eve. I, I mean, I could make a case
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that Eve was like, we have to, we have to do this. You know what I mean? Yeah. Um, uh, and Judas,
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he had to betray Christ. What do you think if he hadn't hung himself and he had a chance to talk to
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Christ, what do you think Christ would have said to him? Well, I know what Christ said to him right
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before he hung himself when Jesus, uh, he saw Judas in the garden of Gethsemane and Judas is not going
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to identify Jesus for the authorities. He says, it's the one that I will kiss. And, and Jesus sees
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him and says, friend, what do you seek? Jesus called him a friend. I mean, a friend. Don't forget when
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Jesus washed the disciples feet in the upper room that included Judas. And he knew he was washing the
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feet of the one who would shortly betray him. I would have broken his feet, not wash them. Friend,
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why have you come? He asks. So that was the last gesture of Christ toward Judas. Like, I know what
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you're up to. I've already called you out on it. I know what's happening right now, but I'm saying,
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why have you come? In other words, one last chance to repent. Judas could have done it. So, you know,
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you can contrast Simon, Peter, and Judas, both of them messed up. Judas betrayed Christ.
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Peter denied Christ. And, and they both went and did their deed, but Judas never repented of his,
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but Peter went out, the Bible says, and wept bitterly and he was forgiven by God. So, you know,
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Judas, he came off as a super virtuous guy. You know, it was Judas who said when a woman was pouring
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the expensive perfume on Christ, Hey, this could have been sold on the money given to the poor. And
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everyone's going, yeah, that's right. But then John says, yeah, he said this because
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he was stealing money from the, from the bag. He was like the treasure. So he came off like a guy
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who was virtuous, but in reality he was evil because it's interesting. There's a certain point
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where the Bible says Satan entered Judas's heart. So it went beyond just a man, you know, making bad
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decisions. The devil entered his heart and now he was doing the work of Satan. Now it was God's plan
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for Christ to be crucified. It was God's plan for Jesus to bear the sins of the world. And that's
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why it's so ridiculous for people to say, well, the Jewish people are responsible for the crucifixion
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of Jesus. I'm responsible for the crucifixion of Jesus. My sins put him on the cross. And the Bible
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even says it pleased the father to bruise him. So God orchestrated it. So it was a weird moment in
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history where the devil and the father were working toward the same goal, but with a different
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objective, Jesus was going to die. It is God making unbelievable lemonade out of lemons
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every time. I mean, and I think Satan thinks he's going to win. It's like right now. I think
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he's like, oh man, this is, this is my moment. This time I win. He has, God just must shake
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his head. Like we shake our head. Our children are going, you just don't get it with him.
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After all these years. Yeah. You still don't get it. Yeah. Well, I read the last page of
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the Bible. We went in the end, Glenn. So we have to remember that there are setbacks, but
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ultimately the word of God is going to prevail. And so we got to just press on each and every
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day, put one foot in front of the other and do the best we can do. But, but pray for our
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families, pray for our nation, give the good news of Jesus Christ out to people. And, uh,
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and let's see what God will do. I think now you opened is just perfect. It's the best of times
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and the worst of times. Let's pray that we have a spiritual awakening and it changes the course
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of our country right now. Amen. Thank you. Thank you.
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