The Glenn Beck Program - Ep 186 ｜ How Navy SEAL UNMASKS the Deep State in ‘Terminal List’ Series ｜ Jack Carr

00:00:00.000 I always enjoy fiction writers who capture the chaos of the world as we know it on every level right now.

00:00:09.460 Today's guest is one of my favorite examples of this style.

00:00:13.080 He takes reality and and then lets you know at the end what's real and what's not.

00:00:17.780 He has a knack for telling stories that are a little frightening.

00:00:22.360 They're so similar to the upsets and the tragedies that plague the world we live in.

00:00:26.300 And writers like him offer a window into the world and better yet possible outcomes of the world that awaits us.

00:00:33.680 He writes about modern warfare, but he also writes about time.

00:00:39.000 His novels reveal the ancient patterns of war that no amount of technology can erase.

00:00:45.660 He writes about all of it in a emotionally powerful, powerful and visceral sort of way,

00:00:52.880 mostly because he's writing from memory.

00:00:57.680 He began as a Navy SEAL sniper with deployments around the world.

00:01:01.640 Before long, he proved himself to be an elite among the elites and quickly rose rank.

00:01:06.740 During his two decade career, he served as team leader, platoon commander, troop commander, task unit commander and more.

00:01:14.860 From there, he became a New York Times bestselling author, knocking it out of the park with the Terminal List series,

00:01:21.760 which has been turned into a series featuring Chris Pratt on Amazon Prime Video.

00:01:27.520 He'll talk a little bit about season two in today's podcast.

00:01:30.540 I hope his latest thriller is Only the Dead, the sixth installment of the Terminal List,

00:01:36.980 which is ultimately the story of James Reese, the ultimate military elite who Chris Pratt described as one rowdy mother effer.

00:01:47.280 Please welcome Jack Carr.

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00:03:12.320 Good to see you, Jack.

00:03:25.760 Great to see you.

00:03:26.580 Thank you for having me.

00:03:27.380 You bet.

00:03:27.840 You bet.

00:03:28.620 So I want to talk to you about the new novel, but I want to kind of start at news of the day.

00:03:36.240 This week we found out, let me just read two tweets that came out.

00:03:42.840 I was so disgusted by the January 6th riot, I deleted my Twitter account.

00:03:47.440 I wrote introspective pieces on wanting to be part of the solution.

00:03:50.420 I never liked Trump and I thought Biden beat him.

00:03:52.500 The Durham report is a hundred times worse than January 6th.

00:03:57.620 It didn't reveal a handful of nuts getting out of hand and stealing a lectern.

00:04:01.160 It revealed our highest law enforcement agency trying to undo an election on zero evidence.

00:04:07.560 Or from Adam Schiff.

00:04:10.480 No deep state, no secret society, no anti-Trump cabal at the FBI, no evidence that political bias influenced decisions in the Clinton probe,

00:04:20.600 no indication that Comey's errors of judgment did anything but help the Trump campaign, no vindication for President Trump.

00:04:28.440 I mean, it's just insulting.

00:04:30.220 They think that we're so easily manipulated by a few words in a tweet, and a lot of us are.

00:04:35.840 A shocking amount.

00:04:37.860 And it's that side of it, but then also we've chosen our sides.

00:04:42.380 And rather than looking at something and applying just common sense to the issue, it's, oh, my side thinks this.

00:04:47.920 I saw this tweet here.

00:04:49.100 That is my side.

00:04:50.240 And it's versus the other side.

00:04:52.280 Without thinking, we are all citizens here.

00:04:54.580 And there are certain entities that are trying to manipulate us.

00:04:57.560 And if you look at it without too many filters in place, that would be the logical conclusion.

00:05:04.460 And then you can ask, why?

00:05:06.220 Who benefits?

00:05:06.860 And, well, there's a permanent Washington establishment.

00:05:10.160 The establishment candidate, in this case, was supported by that establishment.

00:05:14.480 The anti-establishment candidate did not win.

00:05:17.220 And now we're seeing things bubble to the surface that show just how much was done to manipulate the populace and lead up to that election.

00:05:27.060 Like a frightening amount.

00:05:28.520 Like there's things that have happened here in the last few years that we now are.

00:05:35.160 We now see the documents and the proof are things I never thought could happen in America.

00:05:42.120 And I thought if it did, we would have reacted a long time ago.

00:05:48.660 If you wrote this into a book 10 years ago, it would have been, I'm not really believing this.

00:05:53.660 They asked me to go, this author asked me to do too many, take too many leaps of faith here.

00:05:57.780 We're not really going along with it.

00:05:59.220 I'm going to pick up something else.

00:06:00.460 And now those things are our reality.

00:06:02.700 And it's disheartening when you think about it for the future generations.

00:06:06.320 For us, it's disappointing.

00:06:07.940 But for future generations, they're growing up with this.

00:06:11.840 And they're getting programmed for 15 seconds attention spans from China very intentionally.

00:06:18.500 And they don't go back in the pages of history because it takes more than 15 seconds to study these issues and put in the requisite time, energy, and effort they deserve

00:06:25.800 before retreating something from someone with a lot of followers who also didn't put in the requisite time, energy, and effort to studying the issue.

00:06:33.180 Or just appreciating this history that we have and what was sacrificed so we could have these options and opportunities so you and I can be here today.

00:06:40.560 The reason that all these people are trying to get across our borders, maybe not all of them, but a lot of them want to come here for those options and opportunities.

00:06:49.340 And if you were born in Guatemala or somewhere else, you'd probably be trying to get here too because of that, because of what was sacrificed.

00:06:55.800 By all these people in the lead up to today, from the inception of this country up until this very moment.

00:07:02.380 So I had Mike Glover on.

00:07:03.820 Oh, nice.

00:07:04.600 Yeah, recently.

00:07:05.780 What a great guy.

00:07:06.700 Great guy.

00:07:07.900 And, you know, he said that elite seals or the top of the food chain, your goal is to go work for the CIA.

00:07:22.660 Do you feel that way?

00:07:23.960 Because you were at the top of the top.

00:07:25.800 So I did.

00:07:26.440 I worked for the agency.

00:07:28.120 I was assigned to them in Baghdad in 2006 and had, and it's probably one of the most impactful times of my time in uniform.

00:07:38.080 And it influences a lot of the novels, actually.

00:07:40.620 So I was headed down that path and then ended up staying in the military.

00:07:43.780 But for me, it definitely was.

00:07:45.360 I don't know if it's that way for everybody, but I aspire to do that.

00:07:48.400 I got a taste of it for a few months in Iraq at the height of the war doing this amazing job.

00:07:52.880 So, well, you're operating under different titles, so you can do things.

00:07:56.500 So I don't have any inside information.

00:07:58.400 But if we did have operators on the ground in Ukraine right now, they're probably from the CIA paramilitary side of the house and probably some military special operators that get sucked up under that title, under these additional titles.

00:08:11.520 So that legally, you can do things that the military cannot.

00:08:15.580 So it just gives you a little more, as an operator, tactical level.

00:08:18.500 That's what you want to do.

00:08:19.100 You want to get in the fight.

00:08:19.900 You want to do the job.

00:08:20.720 You don't want to sit on the sidelines.

00:08:21.940 So anything that's going on, you want to get in there and test yourself and be there for your brothers and teammates on your right and left.

00:08:27.020 So do you, I mean, we're, we're, we obviously have a problem with oversight and accountability and accountability.

00:08:35.020 No, no, there is no oversight.

00:08:38.300 They seem to be running anything that they want to run.

00:08:43.880 Can you survive as a nation with an, a intelligence industrial complex like this?

00:08:56.300 Right.

00:08:56.480 Well, I don't know what happened.

00:08:57.900 People thought that the Central Intelligence Agency in particular was reorganized, which it was after the church hearings and Pike committee hearings of the seventies.

00:09:05.000 But to think that they wouldn't go back to exceeding their mandates and encroaching on the civil rights of U.S. citizens.

00:09:13.180 Well, you're probably living in a, in a, in a different reality.

00:09:16.820 Right.

00:09:17.520 And when you have an intelligence agency that is so powerful and is attached to the military and politicians and lobbyists and everything else that is permanent Washington is this ecosystem.

00:09:27.300 That's a gigantic bureaucracy that makes up, is made up of more than just the Central Intelligence Agency, but the NSA and the FBI and all these supporting elements and bureaucrats and then elected officials.

00:09:37.180 And it's this gigantic bureaucracy.

00:09:40.280 Yeah.

00:09:40.680 You're bound to have, and it's just natural for something like that to take additional control.

00:09:46.520 How do you root it out?

00:09:47.880 That is a good question.

00:09:48.860 And it is, the question is, is it so big now that you can't?

00:09:52.460 And I don't know the answer.

00:09:53.260 That's kind of scary coming from you because you, this is what your job is.

00:09:58.500 You, you war game things.

00:10:01.800 And my, my, uh, and my job in the military and the paramilitary side of the house, very different than establishment type agency culture.

00:10:08.380 I would say it's a very slim portion of that.

00:10:10.940 Those are the people that want to get out the door, do the job, remove the bad guys.

00:10:13.820 No, what I'm saying, but, uh, your job as a writer.

00:10:17.340 Oh yeah.

00:10:17.960 You, they give me a lot to work with.

00:10:19.820 Yeah.

00:10:20.400 I'm not, uh, I'm not lacking for ideas.

00:10:22.380 Uh, nor am I lacking, uh, very emotional and compelling content that is therapeutic to write because my protagonist in these novels, he can take actions to root out evil, uh, that you couldn't as a citizen because you'll end up going to prison and probably be on death row.

00:10:39.820 So, but, uh, but I can explore a lot of these themes in the pages of these novels and that in and of itself is very therapeutic.

00:10:45.620 And my hope is that these novels also encourage people to go back in the pages of history.

00:10:50.400 And if I talk about the church hearings, I talk about the Pike committee hearings, they say, well, what is that?

00:10:54.520 I see this in a paragraph here and I see that I understand it by context, but maybe I should go back and read a little more, understand a little more about this.

00:11:01.900 And when I get to the end of these novels, now I include an author's note that talk about what was fact and what was actually so that people can say, Oh, this was fact.

00:11:09.220 This was fiction, but I'm going to go look into this a little more.

00:11:11.680 And here's some books that I can read because it's in here and the author talks about how it influenced him and why it's in this book.

00:11:17.020 So I include that in all the novels now.

00:11:18.480 You said that this is the most violent, uh, that you've written.

00:11:22.960 Why?

00:11:23.540 I didn't start out that way.

00:11:24.680 When I start out, I have a, I have a title because I don't want any bandwidth taken up, worried about a title because I've had good ones thus far.

00:11:30.600 So I have that title already.

00:11:32.020 I have a theme that keeps me on track.

00:11:33.780 So everything ties back to that theme, either directly or indirectly for this one, it's truth and consequences.

00:11:38.620 Then I turn that into a one page executive summary.

00:11:40.940 And I ask myself, is this worth the next year of my life after I read it?

00:11:44.080 And then I read it again and I say, if someone was walking through the airport and looks into a bookstore and pulls out the book, turns it over and reads the synopsis here, would they be willing to invest time?

00:11:51.880 They're never going to get back in these pages.

00:11:53.880 If the answer is yes or probably, then it's into an outline and then into the narrative.

00:11:59.380 But, uh, it's, uh, it's, it's very, very therapeutic for me to do these things and explore these themes and, um, and the violence and the violent part for this one.

00:12:09.120 And then I got to, uh, to that stage, uh, end of the outline, still didn't know it was going to be the most violent.

00:12:15.100 And I started writing it and it just naturally occurred that way.

00:12:18.320 So that that part and being the longest as well, I didn't start off thinking it was going to be the longest, nor do I think it was going to be the most brutal.

00:12:23.860 But for me, it's all about the story.

00:12:25.940 So I don't read reviews and say, Oh, look at these fans over here.

00:12:29.240 They didn't like the last one.

00:12:30.660 You know, what's, what's trending right now?

00:12:32.960 Or what's good.

00:12:33.400 I don't want to alienate this.

00:12:34.720 You can't.

00:12:35.300 No, it's all about the story.

00:12:36.620 It has to be pure.

00:12:37.360 You have to be honored that story.

00:12:38.800 So everything goes right from my heart and soul, right into the page.

00:12:42.000 And never have I once had anybody at Simon & Schuster or my agent say, you might want to lay off some of this violence.

00:12:47.240 Or, Hey, do you think you're alienating a part of the readership over here by some of this politics stuff?

00:12:52.280 And no, I just, it's all about the story.

00:12:55.320 I'm not going to change this because for me, it's an, it's an art form.

00:12:58.720 It's my passion.

00:12:59.460 I love it.

00:12:59.880 I wanted to do it since I was a little kid.

00:13:01.480 Other than serve my country in uniform, I wanted to write these thrillers.

00:13:04.060 So it all has to be about the story.

00:13:06.500 I have to stay true to that story.

00:13:08.220 If I have to push deadlines, I'll push deadlines because people are trusting me with that time.

00:13:12.040 They're never getting that time back.

00:13:13.520 That's something I take extremely seriously.

00:13:15.120 Does it tell you anything about the real heart of America that your books sell?

00:13:23.820 Because they're, they are deeply American and fighting for the right thing.

00:13:31.060 Truth, justice in the American way.

00:13:33.100 And that's not real popular in most media.

00:13:36.660 If one was to just, just look at legacy media or just look at certain tweets from different

00:13:41.380 popular figures with lots of followers, you would think that it wasn't, but very telling

00:13:46.100 to me is one sales and to just, they'll never share it.

00:13:50.500 But Amazon has all the data from the show.

00:13:53.380 They'll never sell any of those streaming Netflix and they'll never share their, their

00:13:56.500 data, but they know exactly when someone changes, turns it off or what they have all

00:14:00.460 that and, uh, them wanting to do a spinoff and a second season tells me that, uh, that

00:14:06.040 it did very well in the areas between New York and Los Angeles.

00:14:09.520 And when does it come out?

00:14:11.100 Second season.

00:14:11.780 So writer's strike is, uh, underway right now.

00:14:14.160 So, uh, don't know how long that'll push things to the right, but, uh, it's a spinoff

00:14:17.900 series first, a prequel origin story series.

00:14:20.040 And then we roll into the second novel, a true believer starring Chris Pratt and go from

00:14:23.480 there.

00:14:23.740 But once again, for that production team, for me, for Antoine Fuqua, the director for Chris

00:14:29.100 Pratt, for David DiGiulio, the showrunner, it was all about making something not for

00:14:33.340 critics, but for that person who went down range to Iraq and Afghanistan over the last

00:14:36.780 20 years.

00:14:37.500 So when they sat down on their couch and cracked open a drink and they looked at that

00:14:40.740 screen and turn this thing on, that they know that we at least made a show for them.

00:14:44.300 We at least put all our energy and effort into that, into honoring them and keeping this

00:14:47.780 thing rooted in the realities of modern combat, exploring the mindset of a modern day

00:14:51.660 warrior, um, and making it not for critics, but for them.

00:14:55.780 So that was at the forefront of everything we did.

00:14:57.620 So you were a kid, you wanted to be a writer.

00:15:00.480 Because back then you could find the end of the internet by going to the library and reading

00:15:03.660 everything you could find on special operations.

00:15:05.680 Today you could read stuff forever.

00:15:07.340 I mean, you were, you wanted to write about special operations or you wanted to be in special

00:15:11.460 operations?

00:15:11.580 I wanted to be in special operations from age seven on.

00:15:13.240 Before that, I just knew military in general, found out about SEALs at age seven.

00:15:16.640 My mom was a librarian.

00:15:17.620 So we went down to the local library, researched SEALs, found out that they were touted anyway

00:15:21.560 as some of the most elite special operators in the world.

00:15:23.560 And the training was the toughest ever devised by modern military.

00:15:25.800 So from age seven, I was in, but about age 10, I started reading the same things that

00:15:30.100 my parents were reading for sure by sixth grade at age 11.

00:15:32.940 So I'm reading books by David Murrell, who created Rambo back in 1972 with First Blood,

00:15:37.900 um, with, by, uh, uh, Louis L'Amour, by, uh, Nelson DeMille, AJ Quinnell, JC Pollock, Mark

00:15:43.140 Olden, all these masters of the thriller genre, because their protagonists back then had backgrounds

00:15:48.360 I wanted in real life one day.

00:15:49.520 So the, if people think of the eighties action hero, they were typically a SEAL in Vietnam,

00:15:54.580 army special forces in Vietnam, CIA paramilitary in Vietnam, Marine sniper in Vietnam.

00:15:58.540 And now in the eighties, they were a cop or a private investigator or a stunt man or something

00:16:02.120 in these stories.

00:16:03.120 So I was reading those because I thought, Hey, Nelson DeMille probably did some research

00:16:06.900 into SEALs or special forces or whatever it is.

00:16:09.360 And I'm learning as I'm reading this and I just fell in love with those stories.

00:16:12.740 So I knew that one day after my time in the military, I'd write, but what I was inadvertently

00:16:17.020 doing was giving myself an early education in the art of storytelling from these masters.

00:16:21.840 I, uh, I talked to, um, Tom Clancy years, years ago, and, uh, he talked about how, uh,

00:16:30.980 the Russians absolutely thought he was floating things out there.

00:16:37.520 So they would read him and go, this is, they want us to think that they would react this way.

00:16:42.460 And it wasn't was, did he have background in, he was an insurance, uh, insurance agent,

00:16:47.540 certain insurance salesman.

00:16:48.600 And he was just very into, uh, military and did that, that research back then, like going

00:16:53.100 deep into deep and then hunt for red October came out and Naval Institute press was their,

00:16:58.640 it's their first novel they published.

00:16:59.860 And then it got, uh, then he went to a major publisher after that.

00:17:03.340 But, um, yeah, what an amazing person.

00:17:05.700 And then also started writing the nonfiction, which I'm going to do here coming up in a year

00:17:09.200 and a half right now, I'm researching the 1983 Beirut barracks bombing.

00:17:12.420 And, uh, so my first non foray into nonfiction will come out in a year and a half writing

00:17:16.160 that with a historian and Pulitzer prize finalist, James Scott, who writes primarily about world

00:17:20.280 war two.

00:17:21.160 Uh, but there's some newly declassified documents from the Reagan administration that talk about

00:17:25.500 the conversations in the oval office, who was advocating to put Marines ashore in Beirut,

00:17:30.260 who wanted to keep them on an amphib ship in the Gulf, how that decision was made.

00:17:33.960 Uh, the embassy bombing in April of 83, which leads into the Marine Beirut barracks bombing in October,

00:17:38.740 which is the Marines greatest loss of life in a single day since world war two.

00:17:42.420 And the beginning really of modern day terror.

00:17:45.160 And it showed them that it worked because we tough talk.

00:17:48.180 We had, there's a lot of tough talk afterward.

00:17:49.740 And then quietly in early 84, we start to leave.

00:17:52.640 So that teaches the enemy a lesson.

00:17:54.300 So what I want to do is keep this history alive so that we can apply these lessons going

00:17:58.900 forward as wisdom, which we find very difficult to do in this country for some reason.

00:18:03.340 So we don't have to learn those lessons in blood for the next generation.

00:18:06.240 So, all right, more with Jack in just a second.

00:18:09.800 I want to take a pause here and ask you to take a pause from what you're doing.

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00:19:28.360 I mean, I look at history, I'm a history buff and, um, I, I mean, it was related to the Bible.

00:19:38.320 Cause if you read the Bible, you know, you'll read 20 pages and you'll be reading about people

00:19:43.260 going into, into all the problems.

00:19:45.340 And you're like, you were destroyed 20 pages before.

00:19:48.540 How did you not see this coming over and over again?

00:19:51.420 Um, and I, I always wondered how the Germans could have slipped into their insanity and

00:20:01.400 we're slipping into the same kind of insanity.

00:20:04.660 I mean, almost doing research now on the Weimar Republic and, uh, LGBTQ and trans surgery.

00:20:13.820 The first trans surgery happened in, in Weimar Republic, Germany, 1926.

00:20:17.660 Really?

00:20:18.320 Yeah.

00:20:18.720 Wow.

00:20:19.120 It was a big deal.

00:20:22.380 The LGBTQ and the people of Germany were pushing back, but the culture was pushing it and the,

00:20:31.720 and the leadership pushing all of it.

00:20:33.900 And so when the Nazis came in and said, we're going to burn books, the first books they went

00:20:41.900 after that everybody cheered for were all of the propaganda for LGBTQ and trans that was

00:20:49.100 in the schools.

00:20:50.860 It's almost exact.

00:20:53.080 Now, when a change comes in, are we going to go, uh, Hitler away and make exactly the

00:21:03.360 same mistakes?

00:21:03.940 Cause we're repeating all the first.

00:21:05.820 And if you don't know that, you know, I understand why LGBT, LGBTQ people who are informed on history

00:21:14.280 now, I understand why they say Hitler, Hitler, because that was their experience in exactly

00:21:22.860 the same scenario.

00:21:24.080 Yeah.

00:21:24.540 You know, well, the pages of history, uh, are, I don't know the best way to put it, but

00:21:31.100 you have to have a foundation, a common foundation from which to build.

00:21:34.440 And we had such a solid foundation for, for so long.

00:21:37.540 And when we talk about, go back to that military industrial complex, you talk about our intelligence

00:21:41.300 services and there was a reorganization after world war two in 1947.

00:21:45.420 And for some reason, after that point, we stopped holding senior level leaders accountable.

00:21:50.420 And these positions became careers, not professions.

00:21:53.900 Uh, we can go back to the civil war and you see all the generals that, uh, president Lincoln

00:21:57.800 had to go through before he got to grant.

00:21:59.600 Same thing, George Marshall, people know him for the Marshall plan in world war two.

00:22:02.980 And they can remember that anyway, something about it from high school, reorganization of

00:22:06.660 Europe, rebuilding of Europe.

00:22:07.760 But what he really did was he fired people who could not measure up until he got to all

00:22:13.140 those admirals and generals whose names we all know now who led us to victory in world

00:22:16.760 war two.

00:22:17.120 They didn't start in those positions.

00:22:18.640 Uh, someone else was, and they didn't measure up.

00:22:20.320 So what did George Marshall do?

00:22:21.520 He replaced them.

00:22:22.280 He held them accountable.

00:22:23.540 And then for some reason, 1947 onwards, particularly when we get to Vietnam and then up to today,

00:22:28.900 obviously, uh, we do not hold our senior level military leaders accountable.

00:22:32.560 They fail upwards and then they go sit on board with these defense industry companies,

00:22:36.120 go to a couple of meetings a year, maybe make their money.

00:22:38.700 And, uh, that's just part of the machine and the machine rolls on.

00:22:42.220 I have to tell you, Dwight Eisenhower, great general, amazing foresight with his farewell address.

00:22:53.560 Um, because he saw that and so much more.

00:22:58.240 He saw where we are right now.

00:23:00.600 And it's interesting that you hear now the mantra from the government is conspiracy theory,

00:23:07.660 conspiracy theory.

00:23:09.100 And that's the only reason why when I was younger, I knew the military industrial complex

00:23:15.720 because it was a joke.

00:23:17.780 It was a conspiracy theory.

00:23:20.100 And it's now that same tactic is being used on everything.

00:23:25.300 Oh yeah.

00:23:25.700 And it's very effective.

00:23:27.440 Right from the beginning on COVID.

00:23:28.800 Uh, it couldn't have come from the lab down the street from the market.

00:23:33.220 And that was, if you put that out there, you were banned on Twitter or they saddle banned you

00:23:38.000 or however that works.

00:23:38.740 Um, but right from the beginning and any big city detective is going to call the Wuhan lab

00:23:46.960 that studies coronavirus a couple blocks down from the market where China is saying this

00:23:51.040 thing originated as a clue to possibly investigate.

00:23:54.500 Uh, if you didn't follow that clue in a murder in a large city, you would probably be demoted

00:24:00.320 or taken off the force.

00:24:01.880 But that's assuming that the force is not in bed with the murderer.

00:24:07.560 That's it.

00:24:08.120 You know, there's, you know, I used to say this, uh, you know, before we lost our way

00:24:15.340 so deeply, you, you don't want to keep giving power to the government because eventually you

00:24:20.900 run out of police to call.

00:24:23.640 Who do you call?

00:24:25.020 If everything is federal and it's corrupt, there's no one to call.

00:24:29.480 It's that's it.

00:24:31.040 And, um, we've just gone down that road.

00:24:34.460 And I think that's why, I think that's why Reese does so well.

00:24:39.940 Thank you.

00:24:40.460 You know, cause in a way he's, I don't know, would you call him vigilante or police or?

00:24:47.240 I've heard that.

00:24:47.840 Um, he's an American and he's a citizen first above all else.

00:24:51.820 And he's looking at this country, the same, in a very similar way that I do.

00:24:55.040 Hence the, hence the therapy.

00:24:56.740 Um, but, uh, he has opinions.

00:24:58.820 And when I read other, other books, um, growing up, sometimes they'd have opinions, but oftentimes

00:25:03.260 the character would not.

00:25:04.720 And I thought that's kind of odd.

00:25:06.320 Uh, if I write one of these books one day, my character will have opinions about these

00:25:09.740 things.

00:25:10.000 So if he veers off the expressway in Northern Virginia into DC and happens to have a pistol

00:25:15.420 with him at the time, he's going to think, Oh geez, I'm becoming a felon for a few minutes

00:25:19.000 here.

00:25:19.240 As I circle back in to Northern Virginia and other books, I've never seen anybody think

00:25:23.760 about that sort of a thing.

00:25:24.720 And he's going to have opinions on that.

00:25:26.160 He's going to have opinions on being disarmed, uh, or steps being taken to disarm the populace.

00:25:31.540 Uh, he's not just going to go and do this job.

00:25:33.260 He's not a cardboard cutout that I pick up and solves a problem here, solves a problem there.

00:25:36.960 No, he's evolving and he's a citizen and he's learning from past mistakes and failures

00:25:40.660 and also from successes and applying those lessons going forward as wisdom.

00:25:44.640 So he's evolving, he's moving along, he's looking at this government.

00:25:47.760 And I think for the past, let's say 20 years, it was me writing these books.

00:25:52.340 There was one enemy that kind of probably stood out, um, in the eighties, there was another

00:25:56.800 enemy that stood out, of course, 60s, 70s, and 80s.

00:25:59.300 And we're talking about espionage, political thrillers, same thing.

00:26:01.820 But for me, when I write these things, there's a lot of enemies that are up here within our own

00:26:05.380 government and my fourth book, I looked at the United States to the eyes of the enemy.

00:26:08.840 And when I say the enemy back then, I was thinking of Iran, China, North Korea, Russia,

00:26:13.480 super powered individual terrorist organization, and what they would have learned by watching

00:26:17.100 us on the field of battle for the last 20 years at the time I wrote that book.

00:26:20.960 And as I'm writing this, of course, COVID kicks off.

00:26:23.300 And then I think, well, they're, they're certainly learning something from our response to COVID

00:26:26.440 summer of civil unrest hits.

00:26:28.260 They're certainly learning from that, figuring out how to exploit that and incorporate that into

00:26:31.500 future battle plans, a very contentious political season follows.

00:26:35.440 But the, what was really disheartening about that research was that I just thought, I thought

00:26:39.560 if I was the enemy, I might not need to do much right now.

00:26:41.840 I could just sit back and watch.

00:26:44.360 And we're doing a pretty good job of destroying ourselves from the inside out right now.

00:26:48.100 How many people have crossed our border that wish us grave, grave ill that have come in,

00:26:57.440 Islamic terrorists, anybody really, uh, and nothing has happened.

00:27:03.700 And I think it's because of that.

00:27:05.660 We just wait, wait, because we are destroying ourselves.

00:27:10.280 Lincoln was absolutely right.

00:27:11.700 It's going to come from within.

00:27:13.060 Yep.

00:27:13.580 Going to come from within country divided, cannot stand.

00:27:15.980 And, uh, who, who benefits from this division?

00:27:18.500 Now we have this tool called social media.

00:27:20.260 It's a tool.

00:27:21.000 You can use any tool for, uh, for good or for, for evil.

00:27:24.080 And you can weaponize this tool very easily to divide who benefits politicians, obviously

00:27:29.340 who need to galvanize basis, the social media companies themselves, but who benefits and

00:27:34.420 why am I being manipulated?

00:27:35.580 It's a very cynical way to look at things perhaps, but it's, uh, it's the way that you

00:27:39.000 have to look at things now before you take a breath and really dive in on an issue and

00:27:42.760 then figure out what you can do as a citizen.

00:27:44.840 And you used to think that was your vote and now even that is being undermined by, uh, by

00:27:50.080 what we're seeing in the news here with, uh, with, with, uh, the under Biden laptop and

00:27:54.540 everything else that was used to manipulate and, and change the outcome of an election

00:27:57.760 essentially beforehand through the manipulation of information.

00:28:00.720 Let me, um, let me stay on the writing style with opinions for just a second.

00:28:07.680 I think one of the most underrated humans, not writers, most amazing humans was Ian Fleming.

00:28:15.020 Um, you know, he never was in battle, but I, I have often wondered if we would have won

00:28:24.720 world war two without him.

00:28:26.800 Oh, interesting.

00:28:28.100 You know, out of the equation.

00:28:29.700 Yeah.

00:28:30.340 I mean, he, he was responsible for getting us into, uh, Italy and the Germans moving over

00:28:36.960 to Greece.

00:28:37.600 I mean, he, he was brilliant.

00:28:40.100 I forget the name of the operation right now, but there's a, it'll come to me as soon as we're

00:28:44.160 off, but there's some great history of him and his time in world war two and how that

00:28:48.660 influences writing, obviously later on, uh, and going back and looking at a lot of those

00:28:52.760 guys who came out of that era, they served in world war two.

00:28:55.680 They were in the Royal air force, they were in intelligence services or something else.

00:28:58.840 And then they started writing thrillers maybe in the late fifties, sixties, seventies, and

00:29:02.560 they all had these backgrounds, but I didn't know that growing up because all you'd see

00:29:05.660 is the back flap of the book and the paperback.

00:29:07.260 And it would say, Oh, they're an author of this, this, this, this.

00:29:09.160 And, but now when I go back and I look at these histories of these guys and it's amazing

00:29:13.240 with that generation, those are just the ones that are, you know, the few writers that I'm

00:29:16.760 thinking of right now, not to say nothing of the people who didn't write books and just

00:29:19.680 came home and got back to work.

00:29:21.460 But, uh, but Ian Fleming in particular is, uh, uh, I have, uh, a few collections of his

00:29:26.760 novels and, uh, of different stages, different editions.

00:29:29.900 And, and it's, uh, it's fun for me to go back and collect those.

00:29:32.900 And when you read those, you can go back and it puts, it's a time machine because we can't

00:29:37.440 get in a time machine, not yet anyway, but, uh, but you can go back and you can watch a

00:29:41.500 movie and see it through the eyes of that time or dive into the pages of one of his books

00:29:45.960 or, or other books as well.

00:29:47.380 But think about this was written in 1958 or 1962.

00:29:50.880 Okay.

00:29:51.220 What was going on in the world?

00:29:52.100 And you have to read it through the lens of that time to really immerse yourself in

00:29:56.120 it.

00:29:56.240 And that's a time machine.

00:29:57.440 And it's, uh, it's Ian Fleming's slash James Bond's, uh, view of the world at that time.

00:30:03.800 And, uh, and once again, now that's one of the things they're going back.

00:30:05.880 They, they went back and censored some of those books in their latest editions that

00:30:08.840 just came out.

00:30:09.560 So how do you feel about that as a writer?

00:30:11.520 I believe they should be left alone.

00:30:13.520 Yeah.

00:30:13.680 It should be left alone.

00:30:14.340 Did you read the, um, uh, the note that, uh, Ray Bradbury put at the end of Fahrenheit

00:30:19.960 four 51?

00:30:20.820 I'm sure I have, but it's not coming.

00:30:22.060 Oh my gosh.

00:30:22.720 He is very clear.

00:30:23.920 He talks about in his time.

00:30:25.360 Okay.

00:30:26.100 They're going back and they're reediting and they're putting this.

00:30:28.680 Oh yes.

00:30:28.860 Yes.

00:30:29.120 And he's like, do not do that to this book.

00:30:32.840 Um, and you know, they're trying.

00:30:36.300 Oh yeah.

00:30:36.860 Rewriting history and, uh, trying to manipulate that history to get an outcome today.

00:30:41.160 What is that outcome and why?

00:30:42.740 Well, it should be fairly obvious, but we're distracted by a 15 second TikTok video.

00:30:46.620 So, and even it, it sounds crazy to talk about it, but we have people testifying in front

00:30:51.800 of Congress about UFOs.

00:30:53.600 Imagine if that had been 1985 and all of a sudden we have talks of, I mean, that'd be

00:30:57.560 the only thing we're talking about UFOs.

00:30:59.500 And now we're like, oh yeah, UFOs.

00:31:01.400 So honestly, this is so crazy.

00:31:05.940 It's crazy.

00:31:06.420 It's so crazy that I thought I've recently been thinking maybe that's just a distraction

00:31:13.260 and there's not, because I'll tell people, well, you know, we have a piece of some sort

00:31:21.220 of metal that is other, other worldly and it came from, and they'll be like, no.

00:31:27.240 And I'm like, it was in the New York times front page, you know, it was, it was everywhere.

00:31:32.320 We have all of this and nobody, no, why?

00:31:36.860 I don't know.

00:31:37.760 Well, it's through the distraction.

00:31:39.140 It's a, it's, it's TikTok distraction.

00:31:41.260 It's Instagram distraction.

00:31:42.200 It's social media.

00:31:42.960 It's all these other things.

00:31:43.920 But that one is so bizarre because it should stop everything.

00:31:47.760 For those of you who grew up in the seventies and eighties, imagine that happening.

00:31:50.860 We've always said, what happens to religions?

00:31:54.800 What happens to society?

00:31:56.720 Will we all come back together?

00:31:59.840 Nothing.

00:32:00.280 And with all the talk about aliens, you, you wonder if they're just, you know, if they're

00:32:04.560 flying by and they're taking a look at us, like some of our enemies and they're like,

00:32:07.340 I'm just going to pass this planet on by these people.

00:32:09.820 There's no point in landing here.

00:32:11.360 Yeah.

00:32:11.580 They're crazy.

00:32:12.080 There's not, this planet isn't long for the world, for the universe.

00:32:14.680 So keep going.

00:32:16.560 Back with more with Jack Carr here in a second.

00:32:19.700 But I know when Chris Pratt is playing the hero in one of his books, he gets beat up a lot

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00:33:12.120 I just talked to, uh, Tristan Harris, who is, he was one of the chief ethicists at Google

00:33:19.180 for a long time.

00:33:20.180 A chief ethicist.

00:33:21.440 Yeah.

00:33:22.120 He quit because they had no ethics.

00:33:24.720 And he's like, you people are, uh, you're going into things that you, we should not, you

00:33:32.720 know, we should at least talk about.

00:33:34.820 Um, and so he left and, um, has been warning about these companies for a while.

00:33:40.580 And now his big thing is AI.

00:33:43.280 And he is saying that, um, you know, this could be absolutely the death of all biological life.

00:33:53.500 Um, um, quickly.

00:33:56.180 And I know that in, what was it, your last book, you talked about quantum AI, which I

00:34:03.460 haven't even talked to him about.

00:34:05.500 Um, that's terrifying.

00:34:08.780 Right.

00:34:09.000 So that's the, the coupling of quantum computing, the speed of quantum computing with artificial

00:34:12.720 intelligence.

00:34:13.500 And then you add things like hypersonic missiles to that.

00:34:16.620 And you add things like passive targeting, which means, uh, remember in top gun, when

00:34:20.880 they're flying around and you, I got missile lock.

00:34:22.920 Uh, well, that means you're locked from anywhere, but you don't know it.

00:34:27.200 So it's passive targeting.

00:34:28.620 So you combine all those things.

00:34:30.800 Um, and in my research for that, for that novel, I'd be very shocked if the facility that

00:34:34.980 I described there here in Texas is not almost exactly as I describe, uh, at the time, uh,

00:34:41.740 uh, you know, things could have changed.

00:34:43.220 We were still ahead of China as far as that, that goes, as far as artificial intelligence

00:34:46.420 and quantum computing goes, they had a little edge on some of that, uh, passive targeting

00:34:50.480 and some of those hypersonic missile technology.

00:34:52.600 But, uh, that one was what people say is the scariest book to date just because of that.

00:34:58.640 And then of course, January, now all people talk about chat GPT and all these things.

00:35:02.900 And now we have the writer's strike in Hollywood, which has been building for a while.

00:35:06.200 And it was, it started off with streaming.

00:35:08.040 It's the streaming part of it was building for a while, but now it's AI.

00:35:10.980 And that is a huge part of this writer's strike because an executive, you can look at

00:35:15.080 there and say, how much do these writers cost every year?

00:35:16.820 Or can we just tell this computer, this AI to do this and make a show that has X, Y, and Z

00:35:21.880 it's this long or this many pages and go.

00:35:24.780 Uh, so it'll be interesting to see how that, and that, that turns out and will probably

00:35:29.320 be a model for other strikes to come in other industries that are going to get taken over

00:35:33.640 by AI.

00:35:34.220 And right now it's not a question of should we, or could we, it's here and it's about

00:35:39.020 management at this point.

00:35:40.420 He talks about it as we have to have an understanding of mutually assured destruction that, and he said,

00:35:48.460 the problem is the, um, bombing of Nagasaki and Hiroshima, it took that for the average

00:35:58.560 person to go, holy cow, that's so dangerous.

00:36:04.220 Ooh, nobody should ever use these.

00:36:05.760 And then it took a long time before, you know, it took, uh, the day after that movie.

00:36:11.860 I remember.

00:36:12.300 Yeah.

00:36:12.860 And it took that to make Reagan cry in the white house and Gorbachev to play it in Russia.

00:36:19.980 Isn't that amazing?

00:36:20.800 It's amazing.

00:36:21.800 Power of popular culture.

00:36:22.980 Correct, man.

00:36:23.720 Correct.

00:36:24.160 Used to be our most powerful export.

00:36:25.460 And now if you look at the things in 60s, 70s and 80s and look at them today, a little

00:36:30.080 different, a little different.

00:36:31.520 So I wonder what the recipient on the, on the other side of the world that used to be

00:36:34.900 seeing these things from out of, out of Hollywood in particular and what they're seeing today

00:36:39.300 and how that changes why they want to come here.

00:36:42.740 Um, so I, I don't know, I don't know the answer.

00:36:45.180 I will tell you that, you know, when anybody said in 2001, you know, they hate our freedom

00:36:50.160 or they hate our, our culture, I could understand it, uh, to some degree.

00:36:56.640 Now there's no question that we are.

00:37:00.320 I mean, I'm a religious guy.

00:37:02.180 I don't know if you're religious, but, um, you know, I believe that sometime there'll be,

00:37:07.480 you know, the end times and people used to say, how come America's not in the book of

00:37:12.220 revelation?

00:37:12.780 It doesn't play a role.

00:37:14.180 I don't know.

00:37:15.080 I think we might actually end up being Babylon.

00:37:17.860 Hmm.

00:37:20.200 Cause we, I'm going to think about that later.

00:37:22.580 Yeah.

00:37:23.040 I mean, we are, yeah, we're sitting here.

00:37:26.720 We have Babylon is the great whore of the earth who has had something so sacred that

00:37:34.920 we have just whored out and for a cheap, cheap price.

00:37:40.520 Um, you know, we're perverting all of the stuff that we've had.

00:37:46.880 And you will be, we'll be darker than any Nazi group ever.

00:37:52.660 If this technology stands.

00:37:55.480 No, let's think about the, uh, the, the, the possibilities, not possibilities probably,

00:37:59.540 but the, um, for control that are, that are attached to all, we're already being controlled

00:38:03.500 and manipulated right now.

00:38:04.980 Imagine AI, what you can do and how much power that's going to have in five to five to 10

00:38:10.160 years.

00:38:10.440 So, and these things we're deciding today aren't really for us.

00:38:13.200 They're for our kids and our grandkids and future generations.

00:38:16.220 But, um, yeah, going back to the United States and the Soviet Union for a, for a second in

00:38:20.480 the, in this book right here, I talk, uh, I, I, I had someone on my podcast where, uh, if

00:38:25.400 we talk about Abel Archer and the events of 1983, where we almost had a, uh, a nuclear

00:38:30.220 exchange for the Soviet Union.

00:38:31.660 And there was other things going on, like the shoot down of, uh, Korean airlines, uh,

00:38:34.960 zero zero seven.

00:38:35.800 There was some war games going on in Europe that were making the Soviet Union very nervous.

00:38:39.460 They thought it was a cover for an invasion.

00:38:41.200 And then there was a guy who was supposed to be on watch one night and he was sick.

00:38:44.780 So another guy took his place.

00:38:46.500 And, uh, this particular person just happened to be an intellectual.

00:38:50.560 He'd studied the United States.

00:38:51.860 He'd studied his own country, of course.

00:38:53.940 And there, and I, I bring this up because of the AI, if it wasn't this person and it was AI

00:38:58.860 instead.

00:38:59.240 And so their computers show that there's a launch for the United States, ICBMs heading

00:39:03.480 towards the Soviet Union.

00:39:05.200 So protocol, he's supposed to launch pressure down from the top, supposed to launch.

00:39:10.400 And he says, hold off a second.

00:39:11.860 This doesn't make any sense.

00:39:13.040 And he didn't do it.

00:39:14.480 And unfortunately he had a very bad ending after that because he wasn't following orders,

00:39:18.280 even though he saved, essentially saved us from a nuclear winter.

00:39:20.960 Um, I think he, I think it was alcohol and all of this.

00:39:23.840 Yeah.

00:39:23.960 I had a, had a very, yeah, it went kind of went downhill eventually, but he essentially

00:39:28.640 one person saved us from this nuclear Armageddon or at least a nuclear exchange at the height

00:39:34.560 of the cold war in 1983.

00:39:36.400 Um, but imagine if that person wasn't there and it was AI and he saw, and this launch started

00:39:42.000 from the United States.

00:39:44.100 So it's just kind of going to launch.

00:39:45.600 So I don't know, I don't know.

00:39:47.740 It's very, it's, it's, uh, you know, I don't like to, man, it's a scary time.

00:39:52.520 It is a scary time.

00:39:53.620 So, um, who, who is our biggest enemy?

00:39:58.260 You know, I, I watched, I can go back to Ian Fleming for a second.

00:40:01.640 They've been after Spectre forever, but Spectre actually makes sense today.

00:40:08.420 You know, I don't know if it made that much sense in the sixties, but you look at it now

00:40:14.340 and that the Daniel Craig series is like spot on, spot on on today.

00:40:20.880 Did you, do you feel that way?

00:40:22.280 Oh, I do.

00:40:22.780 And I think it might be why in this book, there's this thing called the collective.

00:40:26.000 I couldn't think of a name for it.

00:40:27.480 And I thought of the end of world war two, uh, the Brenton accords, um, who was there,

00:40:32.440 what they did there, what the United States stepped up to do really to allow most of the

00:40:36.820 world, a lot of the opportunities that we had by putting our Navy out there, essentially

00:40:40.240 protecting global shipping.

00:40:42.600 Um, and I thought, well, what if these, some people made, uh, some elites made a pact back

00:40:48.420 then, uh, knowing that, Hey, we can't trust the citizens of either country.

00:40:51.560 We can't trust some of our politicians.

00:40:52.820 We can't trust some of our military people here.

00:40:55.100 Uh, we need to make sure, but out of preservation of both nations, wanting at the beginning to

00:41:00.860 save us from this nuclear Armageddon and coming together from both sides.

00:41:04.540 And so I weave this in from, uh, near the end of world war two up to today and how that's

00:41:09.560 morphed into this new generation of something I call the collective.

00:41:13.480 And, uh, of course, James Reese is, uh, is trapped up in this because of his, his father

00:41:17.700 trying to uncover it back in the seventies and eighties and nineties and early two thousands

00:41:21.480 and, uh, leaving his son, a, uh, a clue about who some of these people are.

00:41:26.740 And, uh, of course he has to unravel the conspiracy and then he deals with things very creatively,

00:41:30.880 but also very violently, um, it's in his nature.

00:41:34.100 And, uh, and once again, that's the therapy.

00:41:36.380 Um, have you, cause you're a voracious reader.

00:41:39.120 I read a lot.

00:41:40.020 Um, have you read, uh, uh, tragedy and hope by Carol Quigley?

00:41:46.300 No, you have to, I will add it to the list.

00:41:49.000 Okay.

00:41:49.360 So he is a Harvard professor.

00:41:52.100 Okay.

00:41:52.420 He had, uh, consulted Truman Eisenhower for a bit of Kennedy.

00:42:00.180 And then he was on the outs until I think Nixon.

00:42:03.400 And he was on the outs because he wrote the book tragedy and hope.

00:42:07.220 Interesting.

00:42:07.980 Tragedy was world war one and world war two.

00:42:11.660 The hope is this new, um, system that he proudly said would solve the problems because we've

00:42:21.840 tied all of our banking and our countries together and we've done it intentionally.

00:42:28.760 So you'll see wars that are not full out wars.

00:42:33.020 There'll be police actions, et cetera, et cetera.

00:42:35.760 He lays it all out.

00:42:37.240 Interesting.

00:42:37.540 And then he was called a whack job for it and had to stay away from the white house

00:42:42.560 until people forgot about it.

00:42:44.340 Wow.

00:42:44.620 And then he went back.

00:42:46.000 I think he's, I think he was telling the truth.

00:42:48.780 He was proud of it.

00:42:50.000 Okay.

00:42:50.700 Um, but he's, that's right up what you're talking about in here.

00:42:56.000 Well, I'm going to, I'm going to pick that up.

00:42:57.500 And also it's, uh, I like things in, in hardcover.

00:43:00.700 I'm going back and I'm collecting, um, encyclopedias and sets of encyclopedias from the twenties,

00:43:05.700 the thirties, the forties, the fifties, the sixties, the seventies, the eighties, the

00:43:10.400 last ones, maybe in the nineties.

00:43:11.760 I don't know if there are two thousands or something I need to define.

00:43:13.960 Are you tracking how it changes?

00:43:16.160 Exactly.

00:43:16.900 Exactly.

00:43:17.440 Because those can't be changed with a push of a button because they're physical and we

00:43:20.580 have them.

00:43:21.680 Um, so I'm going back and doing all that.

00:43:23.400 Cause I remember the set that we had, I remember the color of the one we had and it was, we had

00:43:26.260 it in the eighties, but it was from the seventies.

00:43:27.600 And I remember when we switched over from this, this red kind of burgundy color set to this one

00:43:31.640 that was all blue.

00:43:32.380 And I was of course going into Vietnam and world war two and civil war and revolutionary

00:43:35.920 war.

00:43:36.260 And I was studying all that stuff.

00:43:37.400 So I love those, but I want to get them before our history is changed at the touch of a button,

00:43:41.400 which could, could happen with everybody electronically or audio books online.

00:43:45.520 Um, but it's so convenient, but it is, I mean, I have a large library as well of, of art.

00:43:53.480 I'm sure.

00:43:54.080 And it's, uh, it's the only thing I trust.

00:43:58.300 You know, when, when they, remember when they did this with Oprah, there was that Oprah

00:44:03.500 book that somehow was discredited or anything else.

00:44:08.240 And they reached in Kindle or app, um, Amazon reached in and pulled all of them back.

00:44:16.380 Oh wow.

00:44:17.000 And you woke up one morning and that book was no longer available to you.

00:44:22.020 And that was years ago, 20 years ago.

00:44:26.280 Oh wow.

00:44:26.840 And, uh, I've often thought, Hmm, that's an awful lot of power to have.

00:44:32.760 Oh yeah.

00:44:33.480 So movies, everything, everything.

00:44:36.480 Buy your hardcovers people.

00:44:37.920 But, uh, but I know I love, I've grew up with books, a love of reading surrounded by books.

00:44:42.360 I've never been without one.

00:44:43.360 I've never finished one and said, what am I going to read next?

00:44:46.040 No, I know exactly what's, what's coming.

00:44:47.580 What are you reading now?

00:44:48.320 Uh, it's the end.

00:44:49.200 So I'm reading books for my podcast right now.

00:44:51.300 So I have guests coming up for my podcast and I'm reading a lot about the 1983 barracks

00:44:55.520 bombing.

00:44:55.860 Cause I'm in that research right now.

00:44:57.180 So rarely do I read for pleasure anymore.

00:45:00.060 And, uh, I heard Lee child talk about this when he said he was retiring, what he was,

00:45:03.840 someone asked him what he's going to look forward to most.

00:45:05.320 And it's reading for looking forward to reading for pleasure again.

00:45:09.120 Uh, cause right now it is, it's work and it's research for this.

00:45:12.600 It's work.

00:45:13.220 It's research for the nonfiction.

00:45:14.780 If someone's coming from the podcast, I read that, but there's overlap.

00:45:18.100 Because that story about 1983, I got that from the able archers, Brian Mora, who came

00:45:22.260 on the podcast, talk to him.

00:45:23.800 He's been in intelligence world his whole life.

00:45:25.740 And so as we're talking, I thought, Hmm, this is going to be worked into my next novel.

00:45:29.760 Uh, so that happens fairly frequently.

00:45:31.560 And I didn't anticipate that at the outset, but it's a different kind of reading.

00:45:35.280 I'm not sitting in a hammock, just enjoying my days.

00:45:39.060 I look for those days back.

00:45:40.280 So I'm looking forward to that at some point.

00:45:43.880 Okay.

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00:47:08.220 Have you ever been a part of red cell?

00:47:09.460 So it's a, can be an overarching term just for playing the part of the enemy.

00:47:13.980 And then at a time they actually had something called red cell that would go and test security.

00:47:18.660 So depending on the context, it can mean a few things, but overarchingly, it does mean

00:47:22.040 something similar.

00:47:23.280 Yes.

00:47:23.520 We're going to test, uh, our defenses by a group of Americans, essentially playing the

00:47:28.560 bad guys, whether it's terrorists or a former Soviet union, Russia, whatever Chinese, and

00:47:32.680 they're going to attack our infrastructure or, or something along those lines.

00:47:35.780 So can we play red cell here for a minute?

00:47:37.620 Let's do it.

00:47:38.080 Okay.

00:47:39.100 Um, pick an enemy, China, um, W E F, uh, our own people.

00:47:45.680 What, what is the biggest enemy you see?

00:47:48.200 I mean, China is certainly looming and seeing the influence that Chinese government has on

00:47:54.600 our elected representatives, not just the ones that are entrenched in that bureaucracy.

00:47:58.120 You never go anywhere to say nothing about those people who have been turned or influenced,

00:48:03.060 but the ones that are actually in elected positions of power that are supposed to represent

00:48:07.820 us taking in money.

00:48:09.540 And I talked about this in my first book.

00:48:10.720 I said something along the lines of show me a politician in Washington and I'll show

00:48:14.500 you a family member, uh, a spouse, a, uh, a brother, a son attached to a lobbying firm

00:48:20.400 that has, uh, is getting money from a foreign entity.

00:48:24.180 So bad.

00:48:25.140 So back then, so that's, so that's, so I would say that, uh, China probably has a lot of tentacles

00:48:29.700 here because, uh, one, our precursors for a lot of our drugs that we need made in China,

00:48:35.000 of course.

00:48:35.640 Um, we're being influenced by TikTok, of course, which is interesting that how, what they show

00:48:40.280 their youth over there on their version of TikTok versus what ours see here.

00:48:44.380 Fascinating, isn't it?

00:48:45.600 Very different.

00:48:46.100 Very different.

00:48:46.860 Uh, of course we're seeing fentanyl come in.

00:48:48.480 We're seeing, we have a porous borders.

00:48:50.740 They're running.

00:48:51.720 They're just doing the opium drug war on us.

00:48:54.160 On us.

00:48:54.660 Right?

00:48:55.060 On us.

00:48:55.440 I mean, again, learn history and you know exactly why they're sending fentanyl to Mexico.

00:49:00.640 They study their history.

00:49:01.600 They do.

00:49:02.100 And they look a little farther ahead than we do.

00:49:03.620 We look at things in terms of four, maybe eight year election cycles for the real deep

00:49:07.640 thinkers among us, but, uh, but they're looking generationally and they're, they're moving

00:49:11.960 pieces on the board, not for them, maybe not even for their kids, but for their grandkids.

00:49:16.700 And it's fascinating because the progressives, early 20th century progressives, we are now

00:49:23.420 living the result of their relentless vision and work.

00:49:28.640 You know what I mean?

00:49:29.980 Starts with, uh, Woodrow Wilson goes into FDR, Johnson, Obama, Biden.

00:49:39.840 I mean, it's just relentless.

00:49:42.600 And by the time that, uh, the producers in the nation realized what's happened, there's

00:49:47.360 been this slow undercurrent going for a long time in, even in, in finance, even in sports,

00:49:54.200 certainly in Hollywood, obviously in politics, obviously in the education system, but, uh,

00:49:59.540 you take over all of that and you're not left with, with much else when it comes to influence.

00:50:04.060 Um, and so all of a sudden these producers who have been going to work every day, who've

00:50:07.020 been creating things, been building this country into what it is today, all of a sudden look

00:50:10.920 around and realize that they've lost all those other aspects of American culture and who's

00:50:15.920 been influenced by it.

00:50:16.840 Well, they're kids and grandkids.

00:50:18.540 And now what do you do?

00:50:19.600 Now it's tough to come back from.

00:50:22.160 Do you, um, do you buy into the idea that, uh, our dollar is going to be no longer the

00:50:30.900 world of currency and CBDCs?

00:50:33.180 I read a little bit about that in here and I don't go, I go into it for about a paragraph

00:50:37.320 or two in here as a touch point.

00:50:39.060 Um, but I, it's certainly not beyond the realm of possibility.

00:50:42.340 And back in 1985, 1995, 2000, they even, would we ever have even thought that was a possibility?

00:50:48.880 2008, I was talking to some of the bigger bankers in the country and I said, it was right after

00:50:55.800 their tarp.

00:50:58.120 This is not sustainable.

00:51:00.000 This is, this won't work.

00:51:01.740 And you're debasing the money now.

00:51:04.120 You're just laundering it through the fed.

00:51:06.320 And what, what's the exit strategy?

00:51:10.060 And one guy was the only guy that was honest said, do you know how many national parks and

00:51:15.120 resources this country has?

00:51:17.200 You just start selling things off.

00:51:19.200 You'll pay it.

00:51:19.980 And I was like, wow.

00:51:21.020 Oh my gosh.

00:51:22.540 Um, just like a business going bankrupt or.

00:51:24.540 Yeah.

00:51:24.980 And, uh, you know, the, the rest of them would say, oh no, it's going to, nah, that will never

00:51:30.460 happen.

00:51:31.700 And, and here we are.

00:51:33.780 And I don't think people understand what that's like.

00:51:38.260 You pick China as our biggest, uh, foe.

00:51:42.380 I think they are, they are ready and waiting to take advantage.

00:51:48.860 But I really think the specter, the W E F, they have laid plans and designs on this country

00:52:01.840 and on the entire West and they'll do it.

00:52:05.580 Cause I think, I think a lot of them, uh, I mean at the, the top, um, I think a lot of

00:52:13.080 them are very Malthusian and very anti-human and you know, they don't mind killing a few

00:52:19.880 people for whatever it is.

00:52:22.520 Isn't that interesting?

00:52:23.020 And it's not the first time that's happened in human history, but in this book, even going

00:52:26.820 back to that end of world war II, I think there was, that was a pivotal point in our

00:52:29.980 history right there, putting together these different, these different funds and these,

00:52:34.160 these, uh, the, these different banks and all this power consolidated at, uh, at levels

00:52:39.960 that are so far beyond the sphere, the, the influence or the understanding of most people

00:52:44.460 that are just trying to put food on the table for their family.

00:52:46.360 Um, uh, it's a consolidation of power, uh, and it's, uh, it's a circling of the wagons

00:52:53.120 when you see a threat, uh, and they've looked, they looked a little more long-term back then

00:52:58.480 and we're feeling the effects of that today.

00:53:00.260 Uh, and it's not necessarily out of a loyalty to a country, not at all.

00:53:03.860 That's out of a loyalty to the control that certain families, individuals, institutions,

00:53:08.580 uh, had and continue to have today.

00:53:11.300 So, and, and once again, I don't know the answer to it.

00:53:15.140 What, what is the thing that gives you hope?

00:53:18.760 That's the question.

00:53:19.980 That's the question.

00:53:21.180 And I was just talking to someone the other day, actually, because we were having a similar

00:53:24.040 conversation and, uh, I was struggling to figure out how to have hope at the end of

00:53:28.900 the day.

00:53:29.340 And he said, he brought it back to, you have to have hope in order to manifest that future.

00:53:34.180 If you can't manifest some hope right now, you certainly can't manifest that future.

00:53:38.320 So, uh, it's that, and it's also once again, history going back to the end of the civil

00:53:43.920 war and realizing that we did come together after that.

00:53:47.500 Now there wasn't social media out there that where you could weaponize and someone carrying

00:53:52.080 it in their, every single citizen carrying this thing in their pocket that was manipulating

00:53:55.880 them.

00:53:56.240 And I wonder after the civil war, if we had iPhones and social media, would different entities

00:54:01.540 have just continued to poke and prod and manipulate and keep us divided to, and I don't

00:54:06.620 know if the answer there, I was thinking about this the other day.

00:54:09.140 First of all, the, the, the left has been right about so much.

00:54:13.000 I used to watch movies like Blade Runner and go, I know the United States is now a corporation.

00:54:19.080 I got it.

00:54:19.900 And I used to think that was nonsense.

00:54:21.720 Right.

00:54:22.340 They were right.

00:54:23.500 They were right on that.

00:54:25.020 And now for some reason they don't care, but, um, it's, uh, it's the, um, I've lost my train

00:54:35.080 of thought.

00:54:35.640 Well, you go back and you look at some of those science fiction books, movies, things

00:54:39.060 that people thought were science fiction back today, whether it's flight, whether it's

00:54:42.140 space travel, whether it's submarines, uh, whether it's the burning of books and the manipulation

00:54:46.240 of information, uh, whatever it might be.

00:54:48.740 And what do we do?

00:54:49.840 We have submarines.

00:54:50.640 What do we do?

00:54:51.040 We have space flight.

00:54:51.780 What do we have?

00:54:52.060 We fly, I flew here today, um, and a lot of all thought it was creative.

00:54:56.520 So I'm, I'm, I remember what it was.

00:54:58.800 If you, um, God, I just lost it again.

00:55:02.500 I've never, well, it's that artificial intelligence side of the house, uh, that now all those movies

00:55:08.760 is coming true today in the movies, uh, with artificial intelligence.

00:55:13.660 I finally understand the, or see a possibility of fantasy fiction, you know, elves and dwarves and

00:55:21.720 everything else.

00:55:22.340 And those books always start out with, you know, the secrets of the past and all of the

00:55:28.040 great power of the past.

00:55:29.900 And I could actually see us if AI went really dark on us, um, and was killing us and somehow

00:55:41.600 or another, we survived or whatever.

00:55:44.260 I could see people saying, do not read any of the science of the past.

00:55:51.780 You know, don't, we, you don't know what happened.

00:55:56.860 You don't ever.

00:55:57.980 And that will lead you to that place.

00:56:00.860 And next thing you know, it's the book burnings of physical books and changing of those books

00:56:05.460 through touches of a button.

00:56:07.040 Um, and that's a very real possibility.

00:56:09.480 Yeah.

00:56:09.800 We've seen it before.

00:56:10.500 People say, oh, it'll never happen again.

00:56:12.040 Well, we're already changing things, uh, the touch of a button and there are still physical

00:56:15.900 books out there.

00:56:16.620 Thank goodness.

00:56:17.140 Thank goodness.

00:56:17.860 Um, but we've seen book burnings in the past and, uh, I think that we might see them again.

00:56:22.480 So, um, when you're looking at, um, the, uh, search for hope, um, I'm talking to, um, people

00:56:40.560 that have been in your role and they go one of two ways.

00:56:45.760 It seems to me they either go dark or a lot of them are starting to find.

00:56:53.320 Religion.

00:56:54.220 Yep.

00:56:55.140 Do you find that true?

00:56:56.340 Uh, I don't know.

00:56:56.920 I'm trying to think if there's a third or a fourth option in there, but I do see those

00:57:00.200 two for sure.

00:57:01.360 Quite a bit.

00:57:02.200 Quite a bit.

00:57:03.020 Right.

00:57:03.260 And, uh, and there's one of those paths is a lot more productive and healthy than the

00:57:07.240 other.

00:57:07.720 No doubt about it.

00:57:08.940 One gives you hope.

00:57:09.940 One gives you hope.

00:57:10.720 The other puts you in a very bad position, but not just you, uh, your family, uh, your spouse,

00:57:15.560 your children.

00:57:16.460 Um, but the other way does the exact opposite for that spouse, for that child.

00:57:20.660 Um, so a lot of the things that veterans are dealing with today that take them down that

00:57:24.860 dark path are going to have multi-generational impacts.

00:57:28.220 Big time.

00:57:28.860 So we were talking to a military friend of mine the other day and he was, uh, elite special

00:57:35.700 forces as well.

00:57:36.560 And, and we were talking about the suicide rate and I said, I can understand it with a

00:57:46.460 couple of things.

00:57:47.600 One, the elite of the elite coming home.

00:57:50.940 And then what am I doing?

00:57:53.460 You know what I mean?

00:57:54.180 You were at the top of a field, the, the most respected, and you were doing something that

00:58:01.180 you felt really made a difference.

00:58:03.960 Then you got to come home and go, are you kidding me?

00:58:07.740 This is a fantasy world.

00:58:09.140 This isn't even real.

00:58:10.760 Am I right on that?

00:58:11.760 What did I, what did I do this for?

00:58:13.040 Why did I lose?

00:58:13.600 Not just what did I do this for?

00:58:15.400 What did I lose my friend for?

00:58:16.720 Well, I think that's, hang on just a sec.

00:58:18.080 Cause I think that's another category.

00:58:19.420 I think coming home and losing that sense of purpose and meaning, but then there's that

00:58:25.760 other side of, uh, what just happened in Afghanistan?

00:58:31.440 What was that all about?

00:58:34.580 Yeah.

00:58:35.140 20 years and how disheartening is it to look, uh, as someone who served there or as a parent

00:58:41.460 of someone who served there, brother or sister of someone who served there to watch how we

00:58:46.760 had 20 years to prepare for that eventuality and of these people with these stars on their

00:58:51.580 collars and all these awards here on their chest that's in front of Congress, that was

00:58:55.160 the best those guys could do with 20 years to prepare and no accountability.

00:59:03.180 George Marshall would never have stood for that.

00:59:04.980 President Lincoln would never have stood for that.

00:59:06.700 And now they fail upward.

00:59:08.340 They got to fail upward for 20 years.

00:59:10.460 You can go back and look at all that congressional testimony.

00:59:13.120 Those guys sitting up there, they say the same thing every single year.

00:59:16.760 And they said, we need more troops, more money, more funding.

00:59:19.720 They're making progress.

00:59:21.080 We are making progress.

00:59:22.460 Just need a little more funding from Congress.

00:59:24.720 Uh, yeah, for 20 years, they all said that.

00:59:27.440 And the one person who said something, not even, not even juxtaposed, just kind of like

00:59:32.340 he said, he was in charge of Afghanistan.

00:59:34.020 I forget his name right now, but it was about the 2009, 10, 11 timeframe.

00:59:37.440 And he said, you know what?

00:59:38.340 It's not going as well over there as we've been led to believe.

00:59:42.100 And he was quietly moved aside a few months later.

00:59:45.560 So what does that tell everybody else coming up behind him?

00:59:47.860 If I want to make that next star, if I want to get on that board of that company by making

00:59:52.120 that next star and making these decisions to buy a bunch of new aircraft or whatever

00:59:55.360 we need and sit on this board, uh, post retirement, I'm going to probably should say the things

00:59:59.740 the other guys said, we're making progress.

01:00:01.760 Just need more funding, need more troops.

01:00:03.860 Um, and then interesting, if you, I don't know if you've read, um, the Afghanistan papers

01:00:08.060 by Craig Whitlock, but to freedom of information act lawsuits by the Washington post to get

01:00:13.620 histories of the war, that those people coming back, those same people sitting in front of

01:00:17.020 Congress thought we're going to remain classified now declassified due to these freedom of information

01:00:22.080 act lawsuits.

01:00:23.100 And what he does is he juxtaposes what they were saying to Congress.

01:00:26.000 So meaning to the, to Congress, to the American people, to their troops and what they said in

01:00:30.820 private that they thought was going to remain a classified history of the war, just one 80 out

01:00:36.260 from one another.

01:00:36.900 And it should, and anybody involved in doing that to the overseers should go to prison.

01:00:44.080 You lied under oath that used to mean something.

01:00:48.040 It used to, and used to be held accountable.

01:00:49.660 Right.

01:00:49.980 Up until about 1947.

01:00:50.980 For the first time, I don't trust the FBI.

01:00:55.700 I've always looked up to the FBI.

01:00:57.940 Do not trust them at all.

01:01:00.820 Um, I, I wouldn't want my son to go into the military today and I've always been a big

01:01:05.620 military supporter, but it has become something.

01:01:09.160 I mean, I had a Marine tell me to tell you, well, the transgender thing, that's just kind

01:01:14.600 of the way you guys roll, uh, in the Navy.

01:01:18.260 He's forgetting that the Marines are a department of the Navy.

01:01:21.220 Marines, you know, it's true out there.

01:01:22.500 No, nothing but respect for all those Marines.

01:01:24.060 Um, anyway, uh, you know, when, when you, you have a thousand people that, uh, have had

01:01:33.340 transgender surgery, um, under the military medical plan.

01:01:39.440 Okay.

01:01:40.620 That's been what?

01:01:41.780 Two years.

01:01:42.480 So you have a thousand people.

01:01:44.220 Now they're going and getting a transgender entertainer to be the ad for the military.

01:01:54.020 What are we?

01:01:55.900 Uh, once again, go back to the enemy and looking back, Hey, we're going to attack the United

01:01:59.960 States.

01:02:00.380 Well, maybe we don't need to attack the United States.

01:02:02.100 Let's just hold off here on these plans and just watch what are they doing over there?

01:02:05.600 Um, if it doesn't help make you better prepared for war, and then they like to, with the books

01:02:12.160 that are on these recommended military reading lists over the past few years that pop up

01:02:15.760 on the news every now and again, or other things, they have a, they always have a way

01:02:19.260 to say, Oh, it will help us in this way, shape or form.

01:02:22.060 But, um, I'm not, I'm not buying it.

01:02:24.160 If it is not directly or, uh, indirectly related to making you a better warrior or making it

01:02:29.840 because that's your job in the military when you're not at war is to prepare for war from

01:02:32.720 that call comes in, you are ready to go.

01:02:35.100 And anything that doesn't add to that mission and make you a better warrior, make us a more

01:02:39.740 formidable military should not be in our military system.

01:02:43.860 So we are, um, we're behind on missile technology.

01:02:50.900 Um, we are in a race for AI.

01:02:54.500 I'm very concerned about AI just taking over, especially who's programming it.

01:02:59.500 Um, and, uh, we, we're not getting people to join anymore.

01:03:06.960 We seem to have, I mean, I wouldn't want to fight anything.

01:03:12.260 I wouldn't want to fight, uh, you know, a paper towel fight right now with our military.

01:03:18.420 I just don't know what they are.

01:03:20.340 Well, it's so sad because at that, that pointy end of the spear, our guys are, have 20 years

01:03:25.920 of experience, 20 years of improving on tactics of adapting on the battlefield of, uh, using

01:03:31.560 emerging technologies to give them an advantage over the enemy.

01:03:34.500 So we have 20 years of essentially, uh, research and development and the lessons from practically

01:03:40.380 applying these things on the field of battle.

01:03:42.780 And we've been manhunting very successfully for all this time, but it's kind of like any

01:03:47.260 big city SWAT team tonight.

01:03:48.480 They're going to go out there.

01:03:49.180 They're going to serve a warrant.

01:03:50.040 They're going to grab somebody and they're going to bring them back.

01:03:51.920 And they're going to do that every single night of the year.

01:03:54.580 And it doesn't really put a dent in what's going on out there.

01:03:58.260 Uh, we did the same things.

01:03:59.480 It was just in Iraq and it was in Afghanistan.

01:04:00.840 We had AC one 30s overhead and Reaper drones overhead and that sort of a thing.

01:04:04.380 But it's, uh, so that's the, that's the tough part there is that the people at the pointy

01:04:09.180 end of the spear doing the tactical job are doing it in spite of decisions at the strategic

01:04:14.360 level, sometimes the operational level here in the, in the middle, but those strategic level

01:04:18.400 decision makers that we trust, they trust us down here.

01:04:20.900 And if we mess up down here, Oh, we'll certainly be held accountable.

01:04:24.040 And it was a Lieutenant Colonel Paul Yingling.

01:04:26.040 I think it was 2006, 2007.

01:04:27.360 He said, um, I, a soldier who loses a rifle gets in more trouble than a general who loses

01:04:32.900 a war.

01:04:33.660 And that remains, that remains true to this day.

01:04:36.680 Well, one last thing before you go, only the dead.

01:04:39.940 I love the meaning.

01:04:41.580 Uh, I, I like to have dual meanings to a lot of, to all of my, of my titles.

01:04:47.880 Um, of course people misattribute this quote to Plato.

01:04:50.100 Uh, so it was, it was not, and I talk about who it is in there, George Sayana, I'm going

01:04:54.860 to pronounce, mispronounce his last name, but, uh, who had amazing quotes from, from back

01:05:00.140 in the day, but somehow it got attributed to Plato along the way.

01:05:02.440 So only the dead have seen the end of war.

01:05:04.300 And we go back in the pages of the history.

01:05:05.860 That is a certain, that certainly rings true.

01:05:08.100 So that's where the title title comes from.

01:05:09.980 And I like titles with a deep meaning.

01:05:11.240 I don't like titles that just are out there because it might sell a couple books.

01:05:15.580 It just has to have deep meaning.

01:05:17.200 So I put a lot of thought into these titles, but, uh, also before we go, what gives, what

01:05:21.240 gives you hope when you sit down at the end of the day and you're thinking about all these

01:05:24.240 issues and you have been for so long, you've been sharing these, uh, sharing your, your

01:05:28.000 logic and your wisdom with people for so many years now.

01:05:30.080 And now we're at this point in the history of the United States and you get away from

01:05:33.960 all this at the end of the day and you get home and you sit down, um, what gives you hope

01:05:37.640 at the end of the day?

01:05:39.260 Two things.

01:05:40.180 God, um, I know how the story ends and I feel a little like, uh, you know, if somebody, if

01:05:48.300 I were Jewish in 1938, 39 in Germany and somebody said, Hey, don't worry, Israel is going to

01:05:56.860 be restored after all of this.

01:05:58.340 I'd be like, okay, that's good, but what happens in between right time, you know?

01:06:03.400 So I know how it ends and I know it will be for, um, good in the end.

01:06:10.600 Um, I believe in the American people still, it's really, it's getting harder every day when

01:06:18.940 they don't stand up and, and sometimes the ignorance is just astounding on history, on

01:06:28.080 histories in particular.

01:06:30.140 Um, but I, I do believe that Republicans and Democrats in the middle of the country, um,

01:06:39.360 where they're not isolated, you know, where they are interacting at the base level that

01:06:46.520 were still getting along, um, I believe that they will do the right thing.

01:06:54.980 Um, and I think the right thing is to be forgiving.

01:07:04.640 Interesting that you said that my last book, and then these are, you know, revenge thrillers

01:07:11.480 and conspiracy thrillers and political thrillers.

01:07:13.460 But the real theme of my last book in the blood was forgiveness.

01:07:16.440 And the, uh, my favorite chapter that I ever wrote is chapter three in my last book in the

01:07:20.800 blood.

01:07:21.120 And it's just a conversation.

01:07:22.240 It's a conversation between the matriarch of the Hastings family who comes down.

01:07:25.780 She's a little bit older and just has a conversation and passes on some wisdom to my protagonist,

01:07:29.700 James Reese.

01:07:31.140 And for whatever reason, that conversation meant so much to me and ended up being so

01:07:35.580 powerful.

01:07:36.780 That's a, but it's about forgiveness.

01:07:38.400 And that conversation then, um, made its way through the entire book, rolled through the

01:07:42.960 entire, uh, story until the very end.

01:07:46.320 And it was about forgiveness.

01:07:48.920 Jack, it's good to see you.

01:07:50.000 Great to see you.

01:07:50.740 Thank you so much for everything.

01:07:51.940 You bet.

01:07:52.200 Just a reminder, I'd love you to rate and subscribe to the podcast and pass this on to a friend

01:08:03.460 so it can be discovered by other people.

The Glenn Beck Program - May 20, 2023

Ep 186 ｜ How Navy SEAL UNMASKS the Deep State in ‘Terminal List’ Series ｜ Jack Carr ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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