The Glenn Beck Program - Ep 188 ｜ How Should Christians FIGHT BACK Against the Rainbow Mafia？｜ Spencer Klavan

00:00:00.000 a healthy society is one that allows its citizens to guide themselves to pursue a life of virtue

00:00:08.320 and wisdom and that always begins with the question that our kids ask us all the time when

00:00:14.480 they're very young and it drives us nuts why why it drives me nuts when my kids say it because

00:00:21.920 it's about everything why is the sky blue why is that couch red i don't know but that drives me

00:00:28.400 crazy now that those same kids growing up don't ever ask that question and think it's bad i've

00:00:36.320 based my career on asking questions because i want to know the truth and i can learn from people

00:00:41.520 that i even disagree with we can't know the truth unless we ask our way to it today's podcast the

00:00:50.220 guest is an ivy league educated phd from oxford in ancient greek literature he has an incredible

00:00:58.100 knowledge of the classics timeless stories from names like dante and plato and aristotle names

00:01:05.220 like george washington and the important name of all time most important is jesus he is an editor

00:01:11.700 for the american mind he shook cages with his podcast the young heretics a legacy he continues as an

00:01:19.060 associate editor for claremont uh the claremont review of books oh and he was raised by a friend

00:01:26.460 of mine andrew clavin i started reading his books um just recently i didn't put the two together you

00:01:34.060 know okay so two guys i know named clave clavin until about halfway through the book this is an

00:01:40.460 incredible book it is how to save the west which breaks down all of the struggling the struggles that

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00:03:30.240 welcome thank you sir i'm glad you're here such a pleasure uh i was reading your book before i ever

00:03:48.180 put together that clavin is also your dad clavin who i know quite well and we've met before right um i

00:03:55.080 just saw this title and uh started reading about it and i'm like oh wow that sounds really good um

00:04:01.160 uh it is a lot of times somebody who is perhaps a little overeducated uh has a little difficult time

00:04:14.440 getting it to the dummies like me and uh there are times i'm like don't know that word never heard that

00:04:20.200 word but the concepts and the way you take us through what's happening to the west and the way

00:04:28.040 you tie it to all of the lessons of history um through our philosophers is really brilliant and easy

00:04:37.840 to consume i don't know how you did it well thank you for saying that that's you know it's really

00:04:42.480 wonderful when a book makes exactly the kind of impact you want it to make and that's right very much my

00:04:47.440 dream for this book um you know oftentimes somebody like me will hear from you know people who read my

00:04:54.580 work or who listen to my podcast and a lot of the folks that reach out to me will preface what they

00:05:00.240 say by saying i'm not that smart they'll say hey i'm not that smart but you know i'm interested in what

00:05:04.880 you're saying or whatever and i've started to learn that the minute somebody says that i'm about to have

00:05:10.540 the most interesting conversation of my week because what they really mean by that they actually

00:05:15.600 they're selling themselves wildly short what they really mean by that is i didn't go to the fancy

00:05:19.640 schools i didn't have you know the kind of prestigious education or upbringing or what have you

00:05:25.300 and i've been told that that means i don't get an opinion because i'm not an expert in anything i'm not

00:05:32.320 credentialed um and you know i am here to tell you i have been among the credentialed people and

00:05:37.880 nobody can believe dumb nonsense like an academic oh i know right you know i know and and so to me

00:05:45.700 these great books the works of the west um they're not there for eggheads like me to write phd theses

00:05:52.920 about that's actually not why they exist on the shelf they're there for us they're there to teach us

00:05:58.960 how to be excellent at being human they're there to make sense out of the catastrophes we face since

00:06:04.620 the world is constantly full of them and if somebody like me who's you know spent a little

00:06:10.280 time kind of with his head buried in greek can bring that to life for people then i think i'll

00:06:16.540 have i mean i remember and i think i told you this when i first read plato yeah uh i was just i was

00:06:23.960 probably 30 i mean i read it earlier but then you know just read it for class sure um and 30 i was

00:06:30.920 interested because i knew i was a dummy and i needed to actually learn things that's the socrates

00:06:35.780 says that's the first step to wisdom that might be the only thing we can yeah right uh and i was

00:06:41.400 blown away how all of the questions i were asking were already asked at that time and that's what the

00:06:49.960 whole thing was about the search for truth the search for meaning and we've lost all of that yeah all of

00:06:58.640 that we are told now don't ask any questions you just follow this we'll tell you what to do

00:07:04.960 that not only is um you know bad for the civilization but it also diminishes the individual and their

00:07:14.060 spirit you can't be fully you if you're not allowed to go well i don't wait a minute yeah that doesn't

00:07:20.940 make sense and i don't agree with that exactly the minute they can tell you not to describe the world

00:07:25.480 the way you see it they have erased you you no longer effectively exist if you can't say you

00:07:32.160 know i think a man is a man a woman is a woman those basic observations this is why you know orwell

00:07:37.100 the famously said that the regime will tell you two plus two equals four tomorrow and five today right

00:07:43.140 um and this situation i have take a little bit of comfort in thinking that you know the world has

00:07:50.980 kind of always been that way i mean you you and i um have lived through some good times in america

00:07:57.320 that maybe made us feel like this wasn't kind of the state of the normal state of things but you know

00:08:02.620 the book starts out with socrates and socrates the great you know original figure in athenian philosophy

00:08:10.700 and sort of the the birth of that part of western civilization um was executed by the state was

00:08:17.000 went through forced suicide for inviting people to believe in gods other than the city's gods which

00:08:24.980 when you know we're raising statues to abortion in new york over our courthouses that kind of charge

00:08:31.860 can feel very familiar heresy against civic gods um and and for corrupting the youth right for inviting

00:08:39.800 the powerful young men of the day to think about more than just gain or politics to actually ask what

00:08:46.900 it all means and when you realize that the guy who did that got killed by the state you suddenly

00:08:53.300 understand what kind of world you're living in and we really are living in that world in that book the

00:08:59.140 republic that you mentioned of plato's he talks about the cave right this kind of shadowy world where

00:09:04.680 we're all just staring at the manipulated kind of images of our media and our elites and our sort of

00:09:13.260 pseudo philosophers and he says what would happen if somebody got out of that cave what would happen

00:09:17.860 if he learned to really see the light to really see the sun well he'd come back down into the cave

00:09:22.540 he tried to convince people that they were being fed a bunch of lies and right they'd rip him to shreds

00:09:26.540 in fact correct they might even crucify him it's an amazing passage because of course the other figure

00:09:31.500 that does this is christ right like this right yeah and get killed for it as well but that's

00:09:35.260 generally what happens every time we seem to go through cycles where uh everybody just agrees

00:09:43.680 that this is what it is and the and if you don't you're a heretic and they stone you and then later

00:09:49.740 they're like oh wow we shouldn't have done that um but um let me let me start with the the premise of

00:09:59.220 the book how to save the west let's first define the west what does that mean sure well i when i

00:10:06.000 started writing this book i told my friend that i was writing a book called how to the west and she

00:10:09.360 said oh i love john wayne movies that's awesome i said not that kind of west um although i too love

00:10:17.460 john wayne movies but um this is actually a really important question because when you say i love western

00:10:21.480 civilization you will immediately be told that's a white racist dog whistle right that's a code word

00:10:26.560 for just all the sorts of backwards colonialism like yeah systemic whatever systemic transphobia

00:10:33.880 and you know the the irony of this is that when i use the word west with a capital w i'm actually

00:10:42.000 describing one of the only ways out of tribalism and that is to understand yourself as the inheritor of

00:10:48.600 a tradition it's a two-part tradition it comes from athens and jerusalem and when i say athens i'm

00:10:54.440 talking about those guys like socrates and plato the great philosophers of greco-roman antiquity

00:10:58.500 and then crucially when i'm talking about jerusalem i'm talking about the scripture that comes out of

00:11:03.700 the monotheists of the near east the jews and the christians and those two traditions those wisdom

00:11:09.700 traditions which meet in the preaching of saint paul and the conversion of the roman empire to

00:11:15.340 christianity spread throughout europe create the world that we are living in today whether we know it or

00:11:21.220 not whether we like it or not and if we decide that we're just going to kind of get rid of all of

00:11:26.480 that and go with whatever you know the world economic forum comes up with tomorrow we cut

00:11:31.500 ourselves off from this vast store of ancestralism that you were you were talking about before it's

00:11:37.180 not a place it's not a time it's not a race it's the communion of great minds so it's but it's

00:11:42.860 perhaps more than that because it's uh or simpler than that because socrates plato and the jews

00:11:55.680 are exactly the same in one thing you talk to a rabbi or any really uh thoughtful jewish person

00:12:05.800 it's all questions to find an answer yes you ask them for an answer and they're going to give you

00:12:12.480 eight questions you know what i mean yeah but that's socrates too so it's really the west if you

00:12:18.380 say it's these two groups it's boiled down just to asking questions searching for deeper truth

00:12:27.120 yeah that's what makes them so annoying no it's i know i know you're like can i just have an answer

00:12:31.620 i'm begging you i know i know straight answer any one of these guys right but yes i mean that's

00:12:36.580 beautifully put and it speaks to what you're saying about i i knew that i didn't know things and so i

00:12:41.660 went away and i read a great book i mean you think that that's like you know not rare you're kidding

00:12:47.500 yourself that's that's the whole game so i went through because i i uh i'm an alcoholic and i just

00:12:55.120 spiraled out of control yeah and when i got sober i knew everything i believed was not working well

00:13:02.360 you know what i mean yeah and so i had to figure out what the meaning was of everything and um

00:13:09.900 there was so much i read that i didn't understand at the time because i was the typical american

00:13:16.280 when i read uh emmanuel kant when he said there are many things that i believe that i shall never say but

00:13:22.320 i shall never say the things that i do not believe i couldn't understand that world i understand it now

00:13:28.420 but i couldn't understand that world and i've done a lot of pondering on why more people don't

00:13:34.680 because i i just took everything out and went to the library and got the people who disagreed i put

00:13:41.700 councils together and i'm like okay here's the topic and i'll read everything right and then i'll start

00:13:46.500 whittling it down until i find what i feel is truth yeah and i think people

00:13:51.320 because i know i did i think people don't do it because a it's a lot of work

00:13:56.300 b uh you're afraid you're not smart enough you're afraid there's maybe there's nothing in me you know

00:14:07.440 maybe i am just this and i know how to deal with that because it will change everything yeah everything

00:14:14.960 i mean for you could tell me if i'm wrong but it sounds like you're describing an experience of

00:14:19.300 hitting rock bottom right i mean yeah that that moment when you understood that they're actually

00:14:25.620 you know is truth yeah something is real yeah and it's not what i've been told and i better

00:14:32.520 reach out for it because it's life it's it's it's lifeblood i mean i suspect when you gathered that

00:14:41.520 you know communion of minds around you to help you out of that pit i mean you were standing in a

00:14:48.780 tradition with you know machiavelli in exile when he writes to his friend francesco vittori that i

00:14:53.640 summon the ancient men to speak with me i enter the ancient courts of ancient men i mean this is

00:14:57.820 this is part of the tradition it's in fact the whole tradition is that sense that we're not alone

00:15:02.780 right right um but it has to begin with humility and i think there's nothing the human heart hates

00:15:09.200 more than humility it's true of all of us and sometimes it does take i think just smacking up

00:15:16.040 against that wall before before you get there you said uh you know that the west is constantly on the

00:15:23.620 i don't remember how you said it but it's constantly on the edge of failure collapse yeah yeah yeah right

00:15:28.400 um so you when you say how to save the west it doesn't necessarily mean how to save our country as

00:15:38.280 currently understood yeah i think that's right i i will say we're always living out the eternal

00:15:47.640 principle seeking the great truths in and through the here and now so i don't believe in indifference

00:15:52.960 i don't think it's a matter of no consequence what happens to our our country i think like there are good

00:15:59.620 ways to vote and bad ways to vote and good ways to participate in politics bad ways um but where

00:16:05.280 you're right is my book does not contain a political program um because i don't think that the west can

00:16:11.120 depend on the outcome of any particular vote um none of this we don't have a our politics are so screwed

00:16:20.640 up because we don't know who we are that's exactly right yeah we have no idea yeah yeah um and so where

00:16:27.460 do you start well you begin with reality in the book you begin with this question that we're talking

00:16:34.440 about of absolute truth right um and and i think that once you so can we play that for a second

00:16:40.360 yeah who's truth let me just play this game yeah yeah okay um well there's two answers to that

00:16:48.320 question one is my truth right one is as i perceive the world and you perceive it otherwise and the

00:16:56.640 question is well okay what happens when we feel differently and you immediately come to the

00:17:00.880 realization that the only answer is that we should come to blows that we should have a fist fight

00:17:04.540 why are we here why are we talking right we are at this table right now because implicitly whether we

00:17:10.840 acknowledge it or not we know that there's not just my truth and your truth there's the truth and it's

00:17:16.880 somewhere in between us that as human beings endowed by god with the ability to see the world and

00:17:23.980 experience the world um we actually have a claim on that conversation that that we can't we aren't

00:17:32.200 unintelligible to one another and one of the things i kind of argue in the book and try to drive home for

00:17:37.400 people is that those are really the only two options i think we've kidded ourselves for a long time

00:17:44.000 that you could kind of speak fancibly about well it's sort of morally who knows what's good or bad

00:17:51.460 yeah right thinking makes it so you know and this is all very well and good until they're at your door

00:17:58.060 trying to take you to the camps or until they're taking so i will say you know the the thing about

00:18:03.000 joseph mengla all of his horrid horrid experience experiments they were all lawful and all of the

00:18:10.040 medical society they were for that yes i mean they eliminated anybody who was against it but they all

00:18:16.120 thought that was good so when you say well who's good well i mean the hope for me is it bad always

00:18:26.680 just eats itself rots from the inside you know what i mean yes and it fails eventually yeah it fails

00:18:33.700 because you're you're breaking universal truths yes well one of the great defenders of that idea iris

00:18:41.420 murdoch in the 20th century became the kind of objectivist about the stuff that she became because

00:18:47.600 of the death camps because she saw the horrors of nazi germany and understood that there was no

00:18:57.360 universe in which that was anything other than evil that there was a kind of a bedrock of reality that

00:19:03.380 that she was hitting up against in that evil which meant that there was something called called good

00:19:08.020 and this the big secret is that we all act this way we all implicitly acknowledge this when we wake

00:19:15.140 up in the morning why do you pour your coffee why do you get out of bed well you want something and if

00:19:20.940 you chase that want far enough down the road you're eventually going to end up in some territory where you

00:19:27.460 just say well i just think it's good to whatever a lot of money have a lot of sex whatever right

00:19:33.000 and and this is why crucially the bible says that the fool hath said in his heart there is no god

00:19:39.580 it's not because atheists are especially stupid i mean we're all about as stupid as one another

00:19:43.940 but what that verse really means is if you tell yourself you don't have a god if you tell yourself

00:19:50.860 you're not worshiping something you've made yourself a fool you're kidding yourself right

00:19:54.860 and that good which plato identifies with truth right that the the sun which you see when you

00:20:01.800 emerge from the cave is not crucially some sort of material fact about the world whether there's

00:20:07.140 this much serotonin in your bloodstream right now right no it's an actual immaterial absolute it's this

00:20:12.980 is good and that is bad and again you know some sort of bringing in conversation with scripture right

00:20:18.260 the woe to those who call evil good and and good evil this is kind of the first stage of

00:20:24.660 everything and it is the sort of thing that you actually have to decide in advance that you're

00:20:29.940 going to say that whether you make a million bucks or whether they come to take you away yeah

00:20:35.960 all right back with spencer uh in just a second first as we're talking about uh truth i don't ever

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00:21:52.900 on a vacation my wife said you know honey no vacation starts with auschwitz so let's not call it

00:21:59.780 but i took them over uh this is about 2010 because i felt these times were coming again and i asked the

00:22:09.180 kids and the whole family make a decision now who you are if you don't the line will keep moving

00:22:17.880 you know and it only gets harder right right um but if you don't lock it down and say this is my line

00:22:27.540 okay this this is where we go from truth right to you're living in a fantasy world to danger

00:22:37.020 and i think that once you have spent some time in introspection and prayer about that question

00:22:45.980 you can then have a lot more liberty to kind of discuss and compromise and be free to sure you know

00:22:54.120 i mean once we have agreed together that there is such a thing as truth for instance

00:22:59.060 then we can have all sorts of arguments disagreements so how do you deal with people

00:23:03.820 who say there is only my truth and your truth well to me the greatest philosophical question

00:23:08.740 in the world is how's that working out for you

00:23:10.400 i just adopted a new philosophy just recently trying to raise my teenage kids i i went to their

00:23:23.380 therapist and i'm like what do i do and he said first thing you need to do when they say something

00:23:29.080 you just say huh it's gonna be fun watching how that works out for you and i've used it on everything

00:23:36.060 now and it's so free i mean because it's really the irrefutable argument and it's goes back to what

00:23:42.800 you said that good sort of uh produces fruit right evil eats itself alive right and you know this was

00:23:50.700 one of the great kind of benefits of the socratic method that you were talking about before just

00:23:55.680 asking those questions huh so so you know heraclitus says that everything is in flux that nobody can

00:24:01.880 know anything except for what they perceive in the given moment well where does that lead and

00:24:07.600 eventually you get to the student of heraclitus who can only sit in a corner and move his finger

00:24:11.920 because he can't say anything out loud because he can't affirm any any truth and so to me the answer

00:24:18.560 to the question how's that working out for you is is everywhere weirdly the kind of decay of our

00:24:23.720 society is a huge opportunity here oh i know right i mean like i just if if people would use

00:24:31.500 the scientific method yes right now yeah it's everywhere it's everywhere if you might just

00:24:37.740 trust the science right exactly right and it's for a for a civilization that makes such an idol

00:24:43.560 out of a certain kind of scientism we are remarkably allergic to trusting the evidence of our senses

00:24:52.340 to just like acknowledging and admitting this comes this comes from um the the idea of experts

00:25:01.180 you know in at least in america yeah starting in the progressive era that there is a scientific

00:25:07.220 way to do everything yeah and no there's there's there's not necessarily a scientific way for

00:25:14.780 everything absolutely and even i mean and we know this science is is right until they're wrong

00:25:25.040 famously yes that's kind of the whole point of the thing and this is something so crucial there's a lot

00:25:30.720 about this in in the book actually that you know when i when i talk about scientism i'm not talking

00:25:35.700 about like the iphone iphone's great you know i'm glad i have one i'm glad i you know don't have

00:25:40.940 some terrible you know i'm glad i don't have dysentery right now all right right um when i say

00:25:47.520 scientism what i mean is the belief that science material science gives an exhaustive account of

00:25:53.600 reality and you can find people saying this all the time now i mean uh richard dawkins at the beginning

00:25:58.360 of his book the selfish gene quotes this paleontologist all the good answers to all the

00:26:02.160 important questions were thought up after darwin right this was everything you know muhammad christ

00:26:05.920 jesus aristotle all these guys forget them uh scrapping it's all about bodies in motion matter in

00:26:11.720 motion and by the way this is not something that the great architects of the scientific revolution

00:26:16.420 believed this is not what johannes kepler thought it's not what isaac newton thought it's not even

00:26:20.660 what galileo thought i mean none of these people would have said to you that the only thing that is

00:26:25.380 real is what can be proven by a scientific experiment and and if you really think about

00:26:29.660 that for a second it has to be the case that there's something above science giving logic to

00:26:34.780 science or else why would science work why should correct but one of the things that this has done

00:26:40.540 because it's actually impossible to live this way because you actually can't operate as if you're just

00:26:46.220 a chemistry set inside of a meat sack right um is that it has turned science into a god we have no

00:26:52.740 we're not allowed any other god and so we have to worship the science right and dr fauci says

00:26:56.540 priest i represent this i mean these are not these are not scientific statements they're correct

00:27:00.620 theological statements correct and that's basically where we're at um and and the last time this

00:27:05.700 this happened uh in the 1930s where science became the god which we taught the germans uh it uh

00:27:14.900 it didn't work out well and i don't understand on the other side how some people will dismiss science

00:27:23.580 i mean i have no idea how god creates i have no idea um nobody does but i do know this

00:27:30.920 you can look at the universe and understand enough the universal language is math

00:27:41.360 right and uh and math is all of it right which would mean that god would be the ultimate scientist

00:27:52.020 you know what i mean yeah yeah there's something there's what he has yep but then he also uses math

00:27:59.860 to to run all of this well kepler describes himself as thinking god's thoughts after him that he was

00:28:07.780 basically just catching up with god and discovering how planets you know right right move around sun

00:28:12.900 and this has to be the case if you think about even what math is like the idea of two it doesn't exist

00:28:21.760 anywhere in the world there's no two in the world you can't touch two you can't see two two is in your

00:28:26.020 head two is a concept and the idea that you can use that and add numbers together and a rocket ship

00:28:32.320 will take off can only be the case if the human mind is is tapped into something much more profound

00:28:37.920 but to your point about um you know nazi science right and and and science as as a god or as a kind

00:28:44.960 of um do religious activity um it's important for us to understand and remember that that looked just as

00:28:54.660 good to oh i know as like transgender surgeries for teenagers looks to the people you know that

00:29:00.340 looked just as good first transgender surgery was weimar republic 1925 right and this is something i

00:29:06.480 mean the the fact that that's true should give us first of all pause about you know all of our

00:29:14.280 yeah moral moral convictions when it comes to sort of oh yeah we're just gonna but you can also now

00:29:20.380 find people saying things like oh well there's there's authoritarian eugenics and that's bad but

00:29:26.480 there's there's liberal eugenics too you know there i that was reading a book by a big transhumanist

00:29:31.800 scholar recently said exactly this um that it's okay when the good guys do it right that the problem

00:29:37.340 essentially with well they were the good guys they were in hugo boss suits yes right they thought they

00:29:42.520 were doing just fine for themselves yeah and so this is something that you know um i have this this thing i

00:29:49.020 called the if i had been there fallacy and if i had been there fallacy goes like this you know

00:29:53.960 those benighted slaveholders and at the american revolution those evil germans you know if i had been

00:30:03.200 there i would have been an abolitionist i would have been how arrogant of you well you're right i mean

00:30:10.260 would you like what was your reaction when you were forced to sign the diversity oath what was your

00:30:16.720 reaction when like what's your reaction when you buy an iphone yeah i carry apple products yeah i

00:30:24.100 wrestle with this all the time sure i know they're made by slaves what makes me any different than the

00:30:29.420 people in the 1800s sure they knew that product was made by slaves it was just far away i don't see it

00:30:35.360 they had a bunch of arguments for right i mean and and this is sort of the tragic vision of human life

00:30:40.740 that i think jerusalem contributes to the west you know you talk about what are the things that we get

00:30:46.260 from these two strands of western civilization i the the sense of man's brokenness and the humility

00:30:52.840 that comes with that and the introspection that comes with that is a very judeo-christian thing i

00:30:58.360 would say it's just this idea that like all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of god

00:31:02.380 um it's the only way you stand a chance in hell of making any moral progress of of the real kind is

00:31:09.680 to know that as solzhenitsyn says the line between good and evil runs between every through every

00:31:14.260 yeah heart i mean and it's it's it's a sobering thought surely i think that's why we're in so

00:31:21.320 much trouble because we are even even you know uh even devout christians who you know

00:31:36.260 do all the things are not necessarily the most humble and uh you know it's it's when we when we are not

00:31:48.640 talking to someone um because they're just wrong i don't want that whatever it is um we are showing

00:31:59.880 our arrogance that we're saying that person even in their error has nothing to teach me yeah

00:32:06.940 absolutely and the sheer hubris the sheer arrogance of saying for instance that you know this country

00:32:16.520 was founded on on white supremacy right which we've all we've both now just acknowledged that there are

00:32:22.780 you know terrible sins in in the past of every human civilization ours included having said that

00:32:29.760 to look back on this enormous inheritance that does not actually begin in 1776 that reaches back into

00:32:39.860 athens and rome and jerusalem as well right to produce this incredible hothouse plant you know

00:32:48.560 and to say well those guys weren't as as nice as good as me and so i'm gonna start afresh year zero

00:32:56.020 begins with me it's like who even taught you to condemn slavery who even told you that all men are

00:33:02.180 created equal the founders told you that most people haven't thought that throughout most of history

00:33:06.540 and most of time and so i absolutely agree with you that that moral certainty arrogance self-regard

00:33:13.060 it's got to be our kind of central we don't fix ourselves unless we fix that right right you don't

00:33:20.520 ever open the republic after you've you know hit rock bottom unless you really understand that there's

00:33:29.280 like it's not going to come from you like you're not going to fix things more with spencer clavin in

00:33:35.920 just a second first let me tell you about a small little company that i found out of arizona this is where

00:33:41.840 they started um they just one guy was making a belt as a gift to his friend and he loved the belt so

00:33:50.220 much he was telling everybody else and everybody was like could you make me one blah blah blah so he

00:33:53.940 started and then he thought i should start a company and so he went from belts and he now makes wallets

00:33:59.520 and then they got into uh clothing but they wanted to start small so they started with socks but

00:34:05.500 everything they do is done here in america it's a true american experience the idea was not starting

00:34:13.660 a company unless we can do it here in america so the socks when you buy their socks you're supporting

00:34:19.800 the american ranchers who raise the specially bred sheep that will produce the modern wool that the

00:34:25.760 american manufacturers will wash and process it and then another american group will weave that into a sock

00:34:33.920 that's what you're doing business with american business owners who have accepted the risk that comes

00:34:40.180 along with only using american made products and american labor but they do it right grip six dot com slash

00:34:47.060 back grip six dot com slash back let me talk to you about christian nationalism a bit okay um i think

00:34:55.700 uh i don't do you know big t traditionalist opposed to small t traditional fill me in i mean so big t

00:35:07.380 traditionalist uh movement from europe um really russia yeah um comes from putin's advisors and it is the

00:35:17.160 idea that we have flushed all tradition down okay uh and so we're gonna wipe everything out because

00:35:24.760 we're the ones that can put it right yeah okay yeah and and it's so slippery because

00:35:31.300 when you when you first start looking at it and you don't understand small t and capital t traditionalism

00:35:38.880 you can fall into the wrong side quickly because all they're saying is we have to restore the things

00:35:46.340 that are true we have to restore the things that are good about our society yep yep um but then it's

00:35:52.780 always coupled with and that's why we need to get rid of him and him and her yeah yeah and by the way

00:35:58.360 like i should probably run things you know correct correct so the the next charge especially in this

00:36:04.200 you know um pride month yep what concerns me is the christians because the government is trying to

00:36:14.640 make everybody into a christian nationalist absolutely um what is it how do you know the difference and

00:36:23.700 how do we maneuver yeah well certainly the extremists of the kind of alphabet people

00:36:36.240 are behaving in doing everything that they can to radicalize us basically you and me right to make

00:36:47.000 us feel embattled to make us feel like you know the slippery slope was there from the beginning we

00:36:55.220 should never even have departed from like you know just we should probably never have departed from

00:37:00.340 england you know never uh for that matter you know and and and and it's very very easy it makes a lot

00:37:08.540 of sense i think to look at that and say well let's just get rid of all of it and my my problem with

00:37:15.100 this is get get rid of all of what like how far back are you gonna go um what exactly do you want

00:37:22.920 and i think a lot of the for me the ambiguity the sort of uncertainty and unclarity about

00:37:29.320 the term christian nationalism is that there's this sort of charge we got to get rid of all of this

00:37:35.920 stuff and we've got to re-establish tradition which i largely agree with and we've got to use the force

00:37:42.460 of the law to do what to do what to do what right that's that's my question um and whenever somebody

00:37:49.520 starts talking about christian nationalism and and to me you know what i want us to be is americans

00:37:56.260 and i think that that does not mean we have to simply like let a thousand flowers bloom everything

00:38:02.220 goes like there are no there are no rules about anything that's just liberalism unfettered you know

00:38:06.600 that's not what the american founding is but it does mean that among our inalienable rights is is liberty

00:38:13.620 and that these choices that people are making even the ones that are wrong um they're

00:38:19.500 gonna have to be free to make if we want to stay the country right we are they just the government

00:38:23.160 should be so small that those ideas the wrong ones uh die off small instead of being propped up

00:38:30.980 propped up until they're gigantic and we all fall well i think there's another dimension to this you

00:38:35.500 tell me what you think about this uh because i've been toying thinking about this a lot especially as

00:38:40.120 as this like carnival of grotesquerie that is pride month begins to unfold before us and this is going

00:38:45.440 to be in the news all the time um if if we're not just going to say okay like it's time for a

00:38:52.340 protestant franco we're gonna like you know if we're not if we're not going to do that um what are

00:38:58.040 we going to do how what's our counter program and i think a big sort of category that's missing here

00:39:04.440 you know we say oh we're going to outlaw this and we're going to make this legal but what about the

00:39:09.160 things that we're going to honor maybe there's like a range of things that are that are possible

00:39:13.300 right maybe you know like i believe quite firmly like one man and one woman raising a like their

00:39:20.200 kids is the ideal i just want to throw in in case people don't know you're gay yes uh sorry yeah i

00:39:26.680 should probably have put that out there i i'm gay um and so i'm obviously not doing the thing that i

00:39:32.600 just said is the ideal um i obviously also believe it should be legal for people to do a ring government

00:39:42.100 has no place and so that leaves us with this question right which is how if is it possible for

00:39:51.120 us to have room for kind of the quirks and and weirdness and eccentricity of humanity which by

00:39:56.400 the way we all participate and share in to some degree none of us lives in the ideal is it possible

00:40:01.620 for us to acknowledge that to to let people be people while honoring what is the center of

00:40:10.460 civilization which is a male and female procreative love in in a family and i think the answer is

00:40:17.060 it has to be yes but we have to elevate some things over others my marriage is not the same thing as as a

00:40:24.160 heterosexual marriage even though i am very happy in it even though right you know i i believe it should

00:40:30.700 be legal um i don't think that it should be identical with or honored at the same level with uh with a

00:40:38.260 straight marriage so i tricky so yeah this is a tricky part yeah but i think i mean i'm just down

00:40:45.900 to i've whittled so much away it's like what are you trying to save if you're a conservative what are

00:40:49.900 you conserving yeah what brought us together what made us successful and what made it work

00:40:57.420 is we all agreed on the bill of rights and if you just do those you're not going to be happy

00:41:06.100 sometimes it'll cut against your way sometimes it'll cut the other way yeah it's not going to fix

00:41:11.200 everything but if we have just that roadmap that's made for the government but it's really a roadmap for

00:41:17.820 all of us yeah i i shouldn't spy on you i shouldn't be able to have power over you i i i shouldn't curb your

00:41:26.320 speech yes so i i agree with this i think the the constitution is what it is because it is the

00:41:33.460 operating system of yes right and and as you say if we do that we will have made a big stride forward

00:41:39.460 there's to me there's another part of this which is that the constitution sits in a cradle of culture

00:41:44.980 and the founders knew this john adams famously said this constitution not written for any anything

00:41:50.180 other than a moral and religious people um and so if we're gonna be able to do the constitution

00:41:56.680 right we have to give serious attention to our culture and that's what i'm talking about i'm talking

00:42:00.980 about honor and and values what do we encourage in people what do we invite people into um and we've

00:42:06.940 developed this terrible mania that treats ideals as insults that if you say to somebody the best thing

00:42:16.500 you can do is you know raise a family and start you know how dare you somebody said how dare you

00:42:22.620 because i can't do that for whatever reason i'm you know i i'm infertile or i'm gay or i'm whatever

00:42:28.440 and and these things like it's actually possible i know because i'm living this life it's possible to say

00:42:35.180 i endorse and affirm that as the ideal even though i have to be true to and honest about the ways in

00:42:42.800 which that's not that's not my life so i know and work with a lot of gay people sure um and i've

00:42:48.960 always i'm more much more libertarian than anything else i've never been against gay rights um uh

00:42:56.240 but i i will tell you uh the the people i know are as shocked and horrified by what's going on

00:43:05.240 in the name yes in their name yes um why aren't we seeing more people stand up well this is a very

00:43:14.020 important question and of course we've already now talked about the sheer force of social conformity

00:43:20.300 oh yeah and intimidation um so there's a there's a big part of that um but there's also i think um

00:43:28.700 a a fear that there's no place to go there's nowhere to go right that that you can't say

00:43:38.420 these people are not my people you know basically the americans are are my people and and i like you

00:43:46.540 speak every day to people that are just horrified by what's being done in in their name and the thing

00:43:53.180 that i constantly say to them is okay so so say that stand up and say not in my name and and i do

00:44:00.820 think that it's very very difficult for us to see this because the loudest and the craziest voices are

00:44:05.880 so visible um it's very very difficult for us to grasp that this is going on but i i really do believe

00:44:15.540 um that just as civil rights was weaponized by the radical left um just as sort of women's economic

00:44:24.440 equality was turned into led us basically into this insane bacchanalia of transgenderism um so too

00:44:32.240 the kind of legitimate requests for recognition and and full citizenship yep that were made by you know

00:44:39.440 gay people um have now been very effectively wielded as a marxist oh yeah and that's like a hell of a

00:44:47.960 drug um so yeah it's it's um it's a really to me it it grieves my heart a great deal um but i also

00:44:55.160 think that as as you say there are there are more of us with us than you might think you know so my fear

00:45:03.420 is on all fronts because they're cowards i don't care what you believe cowards all everywhere that

00:45:09.920 just want to be left alone yes um and uh uh now is not the time for that timid spirit right but

00:45:17.280 it's what usually happens people are like that yeah so out of all of history and all of the things

00:45:25.420 you've seen over and over what's the answer that we should be looking at right now what should

00:45:32.380 we be doing to exercise that muscle to say that's not true um and i i can't sit by the only thing i

00:45:41.480 can think of is god yeah well amen i mean absolutely there is that to me this is unfortunately indispensable

00:45:47.920 and this is like very also very delicate because it's like it creates this uh sort of coalition of

00:45:55.540 people that might you know think that i'm sort of the representative of all that's gone wrong and

00:46:00.400 that that i'm you know uh we all are hellish yeah well we all are right but but it is certainly

00:46:07.720 true that even before you get into questions of denomination before you get even really into

00:46:12.520 questions of you know which abrahamic faith the belief that there is something beyond the material

00:46:20.460 world is indispensable solzhenitsyn the great soviet dissident observed this in in the gulag in in the

00:46:27.500 camps that it was the people who thought there was something above stalin who could stand up for

00:46:34.040 him of course this is true i mean gk chesterton says you know the the marxists get us exactly

00:46:38.920 backwards religion is not the opiate of the masses it's the only thing that sobers you up is more

00:46:45.000 powerful than politics yeah and so that is certainly a necessary first step i also think something else

00:46:52.960 solzhenitsyn said is you know in in those days of the camps we wished that we had just

00:46:59.780 said something when it was easier when we still and and so the question is you know what what can

00:47:05.720 we do if we're too afraid to speak up um he says at least live not by lies right at least don't say

00:47:14.680 the lie and i think that's not too much to ask if you believe there's something beyond politics in the

00:47:20.220 material world but if you don't think that if you don't think that the leftists are basically right

00:47:24.200 if you don't think that we should all just bend the knee to whatever power or you know dominion is

00:47:29.040 is kind of most most powerful in this world and that's kind of the option those are the options on

00:47:35.960 the table so yeah i absolutely agree with you it's kind of god if you were i mean

00:47:39.060 if this were being done in the name of christ i would have just as much problem with it of course

00:47:47.380 as you know and i don't think you know i wonder how many people on the left actually believe the

00:47:55.100 stuff they're preaching you know what i mean yeah i think the leadership does right but how many of

00:48:02.480 the people because what new evidence do you have that pedophilia might be a okay lifestyle right

00:48:10.520 right right what evidence did you receive that has opened your mind to that yes and what sort of

00:48:16.580 links this together for you with like sort of gay rights you know like what he was i mean this is this

00:48:24.920 is where the slippery slope people start to look as if they were always correct you know because now

00:48:28.960 suddenly people are making these appalling appalling arguments but the interesting thing is you know in

00:48:33.680 the 80s when gay people were sort of starting to make noise about this it was the conservatives who would

00:48:39.860 say well gay people are just pedophiles right gay people just want to groom your kids essentially

00:48:44.020 now if you say don't groom my kids don't come into my school and try to the left will say

00:48:51.980 you're just against gay rights you're attacking well well really are those the same thing right i mean

00:48:57.540 is it like are you suddenly saying that that like lgbtqia rights include the right to take children

00:49:04.100 away from their parents because if you say that to people long enough they'll say call me a homophobe

00:49:08.140 call me a bigot like you come for that if the only other option is you come from my kids

00:49:12.080 call me any name yeah right you know and so this is the this is a catastrophe for actual freedom

00:49:18.000 loving normal people including gay people um and the only way out of it is yeah courage and uh and

00:49:28.060 just constant disavowal like this is really not in any way this is the worst caricature of everything

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00:50:45.360 home title lock.com promo code beck let me take you to one because we're going to run out of time

00:50:52.120 i could spend days with you oh my gosh um uh you lay out just lay out the five crisis real quick

00:51:00.280 yeah so the first one we've talked about already reality is there a truth and a falsehood doesn't

00:51:06.100 matter who says otherwise but can we progress by half measures toward truth um second one is the

00:51:12.040 crisis of the body which we've been talking about and and in that section i kind of offer my theory of

00:51:18.120 the case for why this transgender extremism is actually a totally different beast than the

00:51:22.540 american project of of civil rights what is it actually what it is is transhumanism that what

00:51:26.840 we're really dealing with is a an ancient offer an ancient split between body and soul that what you

00:51:33.200 are being told is you are a divine spark you are not your body your body's nothing to say about you

00:51:39.060 actually it's probably a burden it might be a mistake and so what you need to do is reconfigure your

00:51:44.160 body until the divine spark within you can float free and guess what it doesn't stop at

00:51:48.940 transgenderism right it's it's actually much much more than that it's it's about using the tools of

00:51:55.800 the state and technology uh to totally unmake the human person um that's a very very old

00:52:02.980 problem and it never works out and again with ray kurzweil who is trying i believe to recreate his

00:52:10.500 father bring him back to life um uh they don't see it many do and think it's inevitable that

00:52:19.840 mankind is over yeah um but uh they also i mean when i asked ray uh what if i don't want to upgrade

00:52:29.920 yeah okay because he was talking about you know things like neural link that is just around the

00:52:35.100 corner yeah what if i don't want to uplink right and he he said to me why would anyone not want to

00:52:43.580 right i said because maybe i like who i am you know what i mean i like i don't i want to be who i am

00:52:51.720 yeah he said those people will be a danger to themselves and to society right that's a little

00:52:58.420 frightening sure enough sure is um and i do think that one reason why it's important not to get

00:53:08.140 bogged down in the kind of carnival of the politics of it all is you know and not to fall into this

00:53:16.620 trap essentially of saying like the problem is sort of you know every gay person ever or whatever you

00:53:24.100 know right um is that we have bigger fish to fry what what you just described that's what's coming

00:53:29.620 down correct and so the meaning of life yes what is alive what does that mean um the um but the line

00:53:43.220 is going to get slippery yes because ai and technology we will be able to do things to our body to

00:53:52.740 correct and fix yeah um uh and where is the line on that right well this is where it actually

00:54:03.360 becomes urgent to think about ancient philosophy right um the ancient idea about a human being that

00:54:10.960 i talk about in the book in this in this section is called hylomorphism and it's from the greek word

00:54:16.700 hula meaning stuff matter and morphe meaning form shape uh in the works of aristotle this beautiful

00:54:24.900 idea emerges that what we actually are is a union of those two things that's what everything is you've

00:54:32.060 never seen a circle without any that wasn't made of anything you can't even picture one you can picture

00:54:37.520 drawing one in ink in your head whatever um and and just as a circle can't float free of any matter

00:54:42.880 we can't float free of any matter there is no kind of abstracted gender identity divine spark

00:54:49.720 like kind of code perfect code whatever um there's actually what you are which is an embodied soul with

00:54:56.080 a telos a purpose and that is uh to exercise your reason in in choosing the good right i mean this is

00:55:02.300 one reason why by the way human liberty is really actually important because without that choice unless

00:55:07.860 you're making the right choice then you're not actually there's no you there in the equation at

00:55:13.400 all um it is possible to restore and even enhance the thing called a human being and we're going to be

00:55:24.940 faced with choices i can't even predict exactly which choices we're going to be faced but they're

00:55:28.880 big ones but they're going to be big right um and it's not going to be enough to simply say just shut

00:55:36.420 all the ai down shut all the everything like that's it's not going to happen it's you know ai the

00:55:41.480 country right individuals is it good or is it bad when it comes to that the answer is yes yes right and

00:55:48.940 so the question becomes what is your north star what are you correct the rubric you are using to

00:55:55.140 choose and and unless it is i am actually as i am already a complete entity i am a fusion of body and

00:56:03.720 i'm a rational animal and the tools that i use and the enhancements that i take on are all with that

00:56:11.500 purpose in mind unless we're saying that then we're nothing then we're just primitive machines

00:56:18.560 essentially and we will be you know machines expunged as a danger to society so i think that is

00:56:24.640 that is the real dividing line on on this sort of question if you can say that a human being is

00:56:29.360 an irreducible gift of god that doesn't get to be wished out of existence um then you'll at least

00:56:37.020 have a rubric to go on when you're making these sorts of decisions that's a it's that's a hard

00:56:43.920 climb from where we are right now in a quick um amount of time yeah um okay so those first two

00:56:53.320 give me the other crisis uh the crisis of the body the crisis of meaning which is about whether

00:56:59.860 the things that we say and do refer to anything outside of the physical world everything we've

00:57:04.220 just been talking about is there something beyond just kind of evolution and means all the way down

00:57:09.860 or are we actually referring to something um and then finally the crisis of religion if we're referring

00:57:14.600 to something outside of ourselves outside the world what what are we talking about can we go back to

00:57:19.160 the crisis yes of meaning meaning that was the last one yeah yeah yeah so when you start to say

00:57:28.360 okay it's all great that there is such a thing as truth it's great that there's a human being in a

00:57:33.460 human body and these things are real and matter um you have to begin to ask what's the point of it all

00:57:42.520 what's the purpose here um and there is an answer on the table that is kind of everywhere in the

00:57:48.620 atmosphere and it's the answer of richard dawkins whom i sort of mentioned earlier that actually all

00:57:56.060 that's happening all the time is we're just sort of reproducing and imitating one another this is

00:58:03.300 where we get our word meme you know it now describes this thing that we spread around on the internet

00:58:07.820 but it begins with this idea that all human life all human culture is actually just a kind of game

00:58:13.420 of of imitation and replication because evolution explains everything and what an empty empty

00:58:21.660 meaningless world indeed and the problem with this is that all of the things that we know to exist like

00:58:28.460 virtue love goodness um they are nowhere to be found in that description of the world and they'll

00:58:35.820 always play a kind of double game or sleight of hand where they sort of sneak this in and say well you

00:58:40.380 know isn't it great dawkin says isn't it great that we can make good choices um even though our

00:58:46.060 biological programming is just churning along like a kind of script and you think well what is what's a

00:58:51.900 good choice what does that mean you've all just said that everything is this kind of endless game of

00:58:57.180 imitation and replication the ancients also believed that human beings were constantly imitating memetic

00:59:05.660 animals it's called that we're always sort of you know bouncing off of each other we learn by

00:59:09.820 imitating one another um but of course the obvious implication of this is if we're imitating something

00:59:15.020 there must be an original there must be something that we are copying or referring back to in all of

00:59:20.780 our efforts and then you can say this is a better thing than that right this is a more effective tool

00:59:27.900 than right well if it if it wasn't that right we would have died off a long time ago because we

00:59:33.660 would just spiral down right we would be another kind of blip on the evolutionary we're not we're

00:59:39.100 actually evaluating things according to a higher plane and when you can start talking about that

00:59:45.260 original that you're copying then the copy has meaning just like when i say words right if those words

00:59:50.540 refer to something outside of me they have meaning if not they don't and those that's the crisis of

00:59:55.660 meaning is this kind of elimination of that original copy that we are all supposed to be referring to

01:00:03.820 how many times in history do you see these five things in crisis mode and the civilization survives

01:00:15.260 well the

01:00:17.500 civilization goes on in some right okay but but country yeah yeah um

01:00:32.140 i would say it is the rarity it's the exception not the rule but i would say that there are some i i

01:00:39.660 actually think that our revolution is is one um i would say that the protestant reformation

01:00:47.740 represents a crisis of of many of these things and that you have you know your mileage may vary you

01:00:55.020 have some countries that do very well and some countries that that don't out of that but you know

01:01:00.060 they i won't lie to you or sugarcoat it these things come with turmoil they come with very

01:01:05.580 serious you know um but it's not impossible to pass through those periods of turmoil and and emerge

01:01:14.140 in in revival and i i hate to come keep going back to this but the difference is god right the

01:01:19.420 difference is if you believe that you're actually going through something for a purpose and as the

01:01:24.940 founders did right they felt that god was essentially doing a new thing that they were being called to

01:01:30.780 um live out the fundamental truths of of nature and nature's god um if you believe that i think you

01:01:39.980 stand a chance in in hell of coming through something new i will tell you that uh well about five or six

01:01:47.420 years ago i just came to the conclusion they are so far ahead of us you know the catch-up is going to

01:01:53.660 be miraculous and um i'm thinking for solutions and comes to my head

01:02:01.340 well jesus knows about it so maybe jesus is coming back and it was weird because i actually

01:02:08.940 looked at that as you know everybody says they're living in the end days but you know maybe this time

01:02:15.180 and it gave me a way to jump over the darkness and say it's all going to be used for his purpose

01:02:24.620 one way or another no matter what happens yes in the end right this will be used for good yeah yeah um

01:02:32.780 i have to tell you this moment of kind of artificial intelligence and transhumanism

01:02:43.900 is the first time that i've ever thought yeah i can see a plausible scenario in which that is what the

01:02:50.060 book of revelation describes me too and i'm so wary of that because of what you said that everybody

01:02:57.340 i know yeah i mean but i know everybody thought the apostles thought it yes uh and you know his time

01:03:03.420 is not our time whatever i get it but you know they say no man will know the time well um you did

01:03:12.700 give us a lot of signs to look for so you are telling us something about something of this thing

01:03:18.940 yeah at the very least you're telling us that this thing which is going to reach its pinnacle in

01:03:23.980 armageddon and apocalypse is has this certain character and so like it looks a certain way and

01:03:31.980 so when you see these things this is kind of like the that spirit is is on the move and and i would say

01:03:37.900 that you know once you are telling people that there's no difference between what they're doing

01:03:44.700 and what chat gpt is doing that it's all just a kind of you know outward form of of meaning and

01:03:52.460 inside it's just numbers crunching or it's whatever that's what that's what these right

01:03:57.180 guys think we are though often yes indeed and so then you say well okay so i'm gonna upload my

01:04:02.380 consciousness into the cloud or whatever who's consciousness who right well who is the person

01:04:06.860 that actually is having the inner life experience that you're describing and and once you realize

01:04:11.820 that you understand that actually transhumanism is the the end of humanity right it's it's it's it's

01:04:17.420 the consummation of and if you if you do think that people are going to be forced into a choice

01:04:22.860 between you know uh endless promised pleasure at the expense of their individual humanity and kind of

01:04:32.140 limping on in our fallen but but god-ordained you know human forms um that does sort of look like

01:04:41.340 apocalypse that looks like a great split down the middle between humanity and those that remain human

01:04:46.540 will you know we'll we'll so carry on and those that don't will sort of evaporate into nothing

01:04:51.260 anyway this is all i mean yeah this is all yeah um uh but i i you know i i've been saying that this

01:05:00.380 all this technology i don't think is the mark of the beast but it's it will this is the kind of

01:05:09.180 technology right that the beast will use absolutely you know what i mean right right um and the the thing

01:05:14.540 that the technology being used that the the philosophical premises behind a lot of the

01:05:19.180 technology is is satanic that's that's certainly true that like we're just machines or whatever

01:05:24.140 so i'm i i know a lot of uh people who used to be atheists i think atheism is just so arrogant

01:05:31.260 yeah i know there's not well okay i'd rather just i understand i'm agnostic i don't know i have no idea

01:05:39.660 because i'm agnostic on a lot of stuff sure you know what i mean right um but uh they a lot of

01:05:48.540 you know they're my friends so they're wired maybe a little bit differently but you know they didn't

01:05:52.700 ever agree with me and many things but they are recognizing evil for the first time yes of a

01:06:01.740 supernatural kind or or not yeah i think so okay i think so because i i mean how do you describe evil

01:06:10.300 you could say historically in a petri dish you could say what they did in the concentration camps

01:06:16.860 that was evil that was an act of evil right but there's something else happening here because it's

01:06:22.780 growing and hypnotizing and it's so cultish i mean it's oh yeah it's crazy i do agree with you and i

01:06:34.220 think you almost can't talk about it accurately without using spiritual categories that's sort

01:06:40.380 of what's happening it it seems to me is that unless you talk about demonic forces you're going

01:06:48.940 to be talking in circles you're going to be kind of using language that's less accurate it's like

01:06:52.860 you can kind of develop all these sort of neologisms and terms to talk about what's going on but they'll

01:07:00.780 be less accurate and less descriptive than simply saying there are demons and there's a statue of one

01:07:06.060 in new york you know yeah i mean it's it's it's really weird because it just i don't know 10 years ago

01:07:11.820 maybe i swore off using the word evil because i said you know i described too many things as evil and

01:07:17.340 right you know this action is evil and i said evil is a different thing all together uh and i find

01:07:24.700 myself using it a lot now and i check myself every time but there's no other way to describe something

01:07:33.580 that is so destructive to everything i mean it's correct it's battery acid on everything good and

01:07:43.180 decent right right and it's just multiplying like crazy and showing the results of misery and yet it

01:07:53.020 continues to grow and it and it uses everything good and decent to its purposes there's another

01:07:57.580 characteristic of evil you know saint augustine says of evil that it is only ever and can merely be a

01:08:04.860 privation of the good that it's there's no like sort of absolute existence to evil because god makes

01:08:12.380 things that exist and god makes good things and so all evil does is it twists and distorts and takes away

01:08:18.220 and destroys and if you think about it there is a character to an absence like if you have a wall and

01:08:25.500 then you have a hole in the wall the hole is like a thing even though it's not a thing right and and and

01:08:30.940 that to me is a perfect description of a lot of this stuff the kind of parody of you know american

01:08:38.780 equality that gets now twisted and transformed into equity all of the ways that the you know civil

01:08:44.540 rights movements have been hollowed out and worn as a skin suit by people who hate this country who

01:08:51.100 hate one another who want us to hate one another um just this constant grasping desire to tear other

01:08:58.220 people down i mean these are all hallmarks of of evil and you don't actually one of the great

01:09:04.620 benefits of to talk of demonic possession or that sort of language is that you don't actually have to

01:09:09.260 say this person is irredeemable you don't have to say this person is you know you can say there is

01:09:14.300 there's a spirit at work and when you align yourself with that spirit you do evil i mean these things are

01:09:20.060 just yeah seem quite clear at this point just we've got two minutes left and so i i just have to ask you

01:09:26.700 a personal question yeah i love your father so much i love your dad me too um and so bright and uh

01:09:34.620 i love you just the same i mean you're just tremendous pleasure um so wonderful to be here

01:09:39.500 and i never met your grandfather did you meet your grandfather oh sure yeah pubba what an amazing

01:09:47.340 clavin you know what i mean there is something that generation when when it my goal because we've

01:09:57.980 been we've had abuse in our family we've had really tough go in the beck family and my goal was to

01:10:06.540 just stop all of that and try to put some good into the family hoping that the next generation because

01:10:15.980 it takes generations to change yeah yeah man glenn when you say that in my heart it's like uh you

01:10:22.060 know the i am i am the product of somebody doing exactly what you just described i wouldn't be here

01:10:30.140 i wouldn't be who i am i wouldn't have the joy that i have in in my life i wouldn't have the sanity that i

01:10:35.500 have if both of my parents hadn't taken it upon themselves to by clinging to one another and

01:10:43.660 eventually as they found faith by clinging to god to plant their foot in that river and change its

01:10:50.140 course you know i mean this is something i loved my grandfather to death i'm not here to

01:10:56.860 knock him in any way but it my my dad and his memoir talks about the sort of struggles that he

01:11:02.140 had in his family growing up and and also just the kind of again the demons that took hold of him in his

01:11:08.300 sort of early youth and um no i you know my dad and i have this joke that we're not related we say

01:11:14.620 spencer claven no relation because but i would be nothing without i mean i'm i'm very lucky that

01:11:20.780 i'm not just i don't just love my father i mean everybody kind of loves their parents sort of

01:11:25.340 by nature um but i'm friends with my father and that's one of the greatest gifts of my life it's just a

01:11:32.540 beautiful thing so i you know i'm i'm honored to be here with you and i'm very uh touched that

01:11:37.980 you have that aspiration because i'm sure you're going to do it great thank you for coming thank you

01:11:42.780 for having me

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The Glenn Beck Program - June 03, 2023

Ep 188 ｜ How Should Christians FIGHT BACK Against the Rainbow Mafia？｜ Spencer Klavan ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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