The Glenn Beck Program - August 19, 2023


Ep 190 ｜ 'We Faked It？!' Apollo Legend DEBUNKS Moon Landing Theories ｜ Charlie Duke ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast


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Charlie Duke served in five of the seven Apollo missions dedicated to landing on the moon and is one of the few remaining members of the original crew that actually walked on the lunar surface. He talks about the importance of the moon landing and some of the conspiracy theories that surround it.

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00:00:00.000 The Apollo space program folded 51 years ago. Nobody has walked on the moon since.
00:00:06.800 Weirdly, a growing number of people don't even believe moon landings actually happened.
00:00:12.100 This belief is growing more and more with each generation. The list of reasons range from the
00:00:18.340 bizarre to the confusing, and many of the moon hoax landing debunkers have been caught doing
00:00:24.140 some fabricating of their own. So on this episode of the Glenn Beck podcast, I'm going to go straight
00:00:29.520 to the source. One of the only remaining men who actually walked on the moon. He served in five
00:00:37.820 of the seven Apollo missions dedicated to landing on the moon. The BBC has called him one of the most
00:00:44.240 historically important voices in America. I want to keep this episode in our vault. Odds are that
00:00:54.380 you might know what his voice sounds like because you've heard it before. He was Capcom during
00:01:00.780 Apollo 11. He'll explain. He's the one who talked to Buzz Aldrin and Armstrong when they landed on
00:01:08.020 the moon. It was to him that they were talking to when they said, Houston, the eagle has landed.
00:01:15.680 He played a huge role in getting the astronauts of Apollo 13 back safely. Only 12 humans have walked
00:01:22.920 on the moon. Today's guest was the 10th. He walked on the moon when he was 36, making him the youngest
00:01:30.100 person to leave footprints on the lunar surface. He's one of the four living men who have done that.
00:01:36.980 He made it. I think he made it absolutely fun. He played a big part in the image of an astronaut being
00:01:43.860 cool, intimidatingly smart, yet sparse with his words, his brilliance tucked into a southern drawl.
00:01:51.600 He saw more in 10 days than most people will see in 10 lifetimes. Please welcome a real life space
00:01:59.840 cowboy, Brigadier General Charlie Duke. Before we get to Charlie, first, you've heard me talk a lot
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00:03:25.320 So, I have been struggling with something for a while. I think that there could come a time
00:03:33.860 that people are convinced that Americans never went to the moon. Everything, our history is being
00:03:41.600 so discredited. Our country is being discredited now. And there is a growing number of people that
00:03:47.040 say, we never went to the moon. And I fear that in 20, 30, 40 years, China or Russia will be the ones 0.99
00:03:56.760 that were known to go to the moon. And so, I collect an awful lot of stuff. As you know, some of your stuff
00:04:03.380 is in our collection. And I wanted you to come on and, A, talk about your experience on the moon,
00:04:10.720 because it's amazing. But then I also want to hit you with some of the conspiracy theories.
00:04:17.040 And I'm not looking to, I'm looking for a scientist's answer to some of the things that are
00:04:25.720 said, because I think some of them are ridiculous. And some of them, I don't even understand. I don't
00:04:30.020 know. So, we'll go through those. Okay. First of all, Sputnik sitting behind you, that's one of the
00:04:37.360 prototypes of Sputnik back there. And 1957, that went into space. How old were you?
00:04:45.700 I was at flight school. Just started flight training at Moultrie, Georgia, Spencer Air Base.
00:04:52.120 And it lifted off, I think, on the 4th of October, which is the day after my birthday. And I turned
00:05:00.800 57. That would have been, I was 22.
00:05:05.760 So, 22 years old, the world changed. This is the beginning of the space race.
00:05:12.700 You being a test pilot, what did that mean to you when Sputnik was?
00:05:16.780 Well, I wasn't a test pilot at the time. I was just beginning flight training.
00:05:21.560 Okay.
00:05:22.060 And I was at Spence for six months, did well, sent me off to Webb Air Force Base in Big Spring,
00:05:30.320 Texas for, not advanced training, but got my wings there, then back to Moody. And by September of
00:05:39.420 58, I had my wings. And by the April of 59, I was ready to go to my first assignment, which
00:05:47.440 was a fighter interceptor squadron in Rammstein, Germany. So, I was in Rammstein from 1959 until 1962.
00:05:58.940 And during that time, 61, Yuri Gagarin launched. The Americans, of course, Alan Shepard followed
00:06:10.320 a couple weeks later. And a few weeks later, Kennedy announced the Apollo program, which
00:06:15.800 we all laughed at him. You know, he had 50 minutes in space, and he's going to commit us
00:06:20.740 to the moon in eight and a half years. But the remarkable thing about it, I look back now,
00:06:28.360 was that eight and a half years later, or eight years and two months later, I'm sitting in
00:06:36.340 Mission Control talking to Neil Armstrong when he lands on the moon.
00:06:39.640 Because you were, what was it called? Capcom?
00:06:41.740 Capcom.
00:06:42.520 Yeah.
00:06:42.700 Yeah. Capsule communicator, that stands for.
00:06:45.480 Right. And so, Neil Armstrong asked you to be Capcom, and everything went through you,
00:06:52.580 right?
00:06:53.280 Well, I didn't make the decisions, the flight director, but communications all went through
00:06:59.560 me. Yeah. So, you had to do it right. You had to put it in technical language that's crew
00:07:04.960 understood. And I had done the same job on Apollo 10. And it was the same group of, 0.85
00:07:12.700 flight direct, flight controllers and director, Gene Krantz. And so, we just moved over. They
00:07:19.840 did. And I wasn't supposed to be there, because they had another crew. But Neil said, I'd like
00:07:27.140 Charlie to do that for us, since he'd had that experience.
00:07:30.760 So, when they said Houston, it would be your voice that would answer?
00:07:35.440 That's correct. Yeah. During the descent. You know, Mission Control shift work. So,
00:07:40.780 there are different shifts. So, when they landed, and we secured the spacecraft, our shift went off,
00:07:48.720 and another shift came on. So, Bruce McCandless was the flight, was the Capcom when he actually
00:07:55.360 stepped onto the moon.
00:07:56.520 Wow. And there was, I mean, landing it, there was a lot of worry. Didn't something happen?
00:08:07.540 Yeah, a lot happened.
00:08:08.240 The circuit was, what happened?
00:08:09.500 We were doing a good job until we started the engine on the descent, and the wheels started
00:08:15.680 coming off, if you will, that expression. We had communication problems to start with. And
00:08:22.880 the mission rule was, if you lose, if you lost communications for 30 seconds, you were going
00:08:29.300 to abort the mission. So, we reordered it, and got some new antennas pointed at the earth,
00:08:36.240 and they came back. And then the computers started overloading. We were getting these 1201, 1202 alarms.
00:08:43.740 Which is what?
00:08:45.280 Well, it was a mean, the Apollo computer had a compute cycle at, let's say, 0.75 milliseconds.
00:08:52.380 And it queued up the jobs. So, the guide to spacecraft, direct the spacecraft, control the
00:08:58.480 spacecraft. And then below that was these auxiliary jobs. Well, if it got to the end of the,
00:09:04.760 if it's compute cycle, and he hadn't finished that queue, it would give you a warning. I'm
00:09:11.540 overloaded. I'm flipping back to the top. And so, that was what it was. So, it wasn't the control of
00:09:17.560 the spacecraft. It was just that we had it doing too much. And one of the reasons was the radar
00:09:24.220 landing switch, I mean, the radar rendezvous, rendezvous radar switch was on, and it shouldn't
00:09:33.260 have been on, because now the computer is trying to find what it's supposed to be looking at. And
00:09:39.740 anyway, we went through that. We were trained, and Steve Bales and Jack Garman knew what to do.
00:09:47.520 We were go, and we kept having that situation. Then at 7,000 feet, they pritched over and looked
00:09:53.500 down, and Neil says, we can't land here. So, he had to level off and fly across the surface of the
00:10:00.740 moon for several miles until he found a suitable landing spot. Well, that used up all our spare gas.
00:10:07.060 And so, now we start down, and now we're minimum fuel. And we got to the call.
00:10:13.800 Wait, wait, wait. Beyond minimum fuel or minimal fuel for takeoff to return back up?
00:10:20.700 Well, the ascent engine fuel is not used on descent. It's just there. And the engine's not used. When I
00:10:29.040 say minimum fuel, we had a minimum amount that we wanted to have. If we aborted, we'd still use the
00:10:37.560 descent engine to start us on a positive trajectory away from the moon. Then we would abort stage and
00:10:44.780 light the ascent engine. And so, that was what the... And the minimum was like, if I remember,
00:10:51.060 four percent. And when we got to that four percent, we called 60 seconds. And 60 seconds
00:11:00.400 meant he had another... At the present fuel, present engine power, he had 60 seconds before we would
00:11:08.880 call an abort. So, we got to 30 seconds. And I said, Eagle, 30 seconds. And you can imagine
00:11:14.880 the tension in the room. Oh, my gosh. And so, about 13 seconds later, Neil reports, not Neil,
00:11:25.020 but Buzz says, contact engine stop. And they're on the moon. And we just erupted with excitement.
00:11:34.320 And so, we didn't have to get that abort call. I'm convinced that Neil had the final say.
00:11:44.000 And if we were 20 feet off the ground, and we called an abort, he wouldn't have done it.
00:11:49.180 Say again, Houston. Yeah. And he was going to land at that point. Yeah.
00:11:56.180 Because they had kind of an unspoken agreement, didn't they? Yeah. Well, he was in charge. And he
00:12:06.000 could see the... We just knew he was 20 feet above the moon. And we didn't understand. You couldn't see...
00:12:13.560 Everybody couldn't see the situation that he sees and Buzz sees out the windows. And they're 20 feet
00:12:22.100 off the ground. And they still got 5% fuel left or 4%, whatever it is. You're not going to abort
00:12:28.360 because of that. And he's going to land at that point.
00:12:31.680 Did there come a time where they worried if they could get back up to the... Well, that's the capsule,
00:12:40.980 right? Yeah. Get back up to the capsule and go back home? No, that wasn't... The ascent, as I said
00:12:46.760 earlier, the ascent engine provided that propulsion. And the fuel, it's not used at all during the descent
00:12:55.140 stage during the descent. So you have full tanks. You have all electrical power, everything ready
00:13:01.960 to go. So if you had to abort from the... Once he landed and shut down that engine, if there was a
00:13:09.320 leak in a nascent engine tank, for instance, that we would have aborted immediately and got them back
00:13:16.820 into orbit. And... So you were still Capcom when he said Houston, the Eagle has landed. That's correct.
00:13:25.140 Yeah. And then you had a switch... You had a shift change? No, we had a... It was later, about an hour
00:13:31.420 later. We... After they landed, we... It was our job to make sure the set of the spacecraft was secure,
00:13:40.880 safe. We could stay. So we had a series of stay, no say decisions. No stay, no stay. And so one was
00:13:50.640 like three or four minutes later, and we were stay. Then as we got safer and safer and more secure with
00:13:56.900 the status of the vehicle, finally after, I don't know, 30 minutes maybe, or a little bit more,
00:14:04.400 we were saying, okay, we'll stay for your stay. And... So... Then we changed shifts. So you... Did you
00:14:14.160 even know what the surface of the moon really was like at the time? We'd had surveyor land and several
00:14:23.180 surveyors, and they analyzed it and they could see it was basically very, very fine dust. And we knew...
00:14:31.160 Can you describe that? Because I hear the dust from the moon is unlike anything we've seen here on Earth.
00:14:39.920 Yeah, it's like talcum powder. And it's... It's very, very adhesive. You can't... If you fall down,
00:14:48.980 you get dusty and you can't get it off your suits. And it's... So your suit... Our suits, after three days,
00:14:56.060 turned from white to gray. And mostly light gray, I should say. So the dust was very, very fine. And
00:15:05.620 when you got it back in... When you got back inside the spacecraft... Vacuum it, right?
00:15:10.820 Um... Didn't you have to vacuum it off? We didn't have a vacuum for that. We had a brush,
00:15:15.920 but it didn't do any good. Yeah, I was going to say that didn't work.
00:15:18.460 And so we got back inside and we cleaned up as best we could. And especially the seals where the
00:15:26.680 holes... And then... But we just decided that it wasn't going to... It wasn't going to get... It wasn't
00:15:34.780 going to hurt. And so... And then we had some loose dust and we tracked in and I picked it up and it was
00:15:42.680 very... It was not gritty at all. It was very, very fine. And it was very dry. And what I think
00:15:50.300 happens was it was so dry, it picked up the oils on your skin. And that gave... It gave a graphite
00:16:00.740 feel to it. And you smelled it. It smelled like gunpowder, but there's no organic material on the moon,
00:16:07.820 so it's very strange. At least that was my feeling. It was that smell.
00:16:13.440 So, Neil and Buzz were on the moon for two hours?
00:16:18.440 No, they were... On the surface?
00:16:20.440 Uh... Less than 24. They were on the surface for...
00:16:23.440 Yeah, walking around. Less than two.
00:16:25.440 Yeah, and I'm not sure. Two to four hours, something like that, yeah.
00:16:28.440 And when you went up, you were on the moon on the surface for 20?
00:16:32.440 Well, we were on the surface for 20, total of 72 hours on the moon.
00:16:37.440 Right.
00:16:38.060 But we divided that into three 24-hour periods. And so we had an excursion that longest was like
00:16:45.120 eight hours and every day. And then we got back in on the last time and got ready to lift off,
00:16:53.560 kicked our backpacks out the door and trash and didn't want to lift off with that stuff.
00:16:58.800 And so we got ready to lift off, and right on schedule, we were off.
00:17:05.260 What is that like?
00:17:07.620 Lift off, or what is it?
00:17:08.700 No. Walking on the moon.
00:17:11.220 Well, it was an adventure, of course. And you felt right at home. You recognized the major landing,
00:17:18.000 the major features at your landing site that you'd studied from photographs and simulations.
00:17:24.400 And so we had this feeling of belonging, but it was the excitement and the awe and the wonder.
00:17:32.120 I'm on the moon. You could never get over that point. Nobody's ever been here before.
00:17:36.360 What is it like to be on the moon the first time you turned around and saw Earth rise?
00:17:41.720 Well, we didn't see Earth rise. A day on the moon is two weeks.
00:17:47.020 Oh, my. So did you see the Earth from the moon?
00:17:50.940 We were in the middle of the moon, which put the Earth right overhead.
00:17:55.960 So in an Apollo suit, you look up and you look at the top of your helmet.
00:17:59.900 So we very rarely saw it. We had a telescope, not a telescope, but a periscope on our antenna,
00:18:07.580 and you could look through that and point it at the Earth and get it centered up.
00:18:11.360 And there you could see it. But it was occasionally I'd bend back like this and hold on to the car and look up.
00:18:20.360 And there it was. It was beautiful. Half Earth.
00:18:23.680 We were a half moon and blue and white is just there it is.
00:18:29.240 And the rest of the sky was just black.
00:18:31.780 You can't. Why don't you see stars?
00:18:33.140 Because the sun, the sun, basically the same as daylight here.
00:18:37.400 You don't see stars that they're there.
00:18:39.280 But because of the sunlight, you don't see the stars.
00:18:42.600 But at night, you see the stars come out because there's no reflection from the moon, the sun.
00:18:49.620 Well, same on the moon.
00:18:50.960 So the sun's always shining on you.
00:18:54.220 And when you're there and and so you look out at the horizon and there's this very distinct horizon and you just look up and it's just black.
00:19:06.380 Except for the Earth, which is in our case, you couldn't see it really goodly.
00:19:13.060 So it was we didn't want to come home.
00:19:16.820 We were having so much fun.
00:19:17.960 Oh, I bet. I hear you try to do a set of record for a long jump and that didn't go so well.
00:19:22.920 Well, it's a high jump.
00:19:24.680 High jump.
00:19:25.160 Yeah, it didn't go very well.
00:19:28.940 What happened?
00:19:30.080 Oh, well, I went down here with all my equipment on.
00:19:34.120 I weighed 363 pounds up on the moon, 60 pounds.
00:19:38.840 Wow.
00:19:39.180 And so the backpack, the life support system weighed as much as I did.
00:19:44.520 So I got a 150 pound pack on my back and you got to on the moon.
00:19:49.860 And you have to walk bending over to keep your center of gravity right.
00:19:54.080 So when I jumped, I straightened up and go up.
00:19:57.940 And when I did that, took my center of gravity backwards and I went over backwards.
00:20:03.240 And I was scary.
00:20:04.400 That's probably the only time I had fear in the whole time.
00:20:07.600 But fear is not a bad emotion if you don't panic.
00:20:12.900 And so I had this thought, roll right.
00:20:16.360 So I rolled to the right.
00:20:18.100 And as I was going down, it broke my fall on my right hand and my right leg and bounced
00:20:23.740 onto my back.
00:20:24.680 And my heart was pounding, Glenn, I'll tell you.
00:20:27.700 But I checked the pressure.
00:20:29.840 It was well.
00:20:30.860 You could hear the pumps running and the suit was good.
00:20:34.220 So John Young walked over and ran over and looked down and said, that wasn't very smart,
00:20:40.700 Charlie.
00:20:43.380 I said, you all right, John, help me up.
00:20:45.700 Well, I was the first to try it.
00:20:47.620 Somebody had to try it.
00:20:49.820 So we and he'd been jumping, too.
00:20:52.820 So he probably set the record.
00:20:56.460 Let's say we set the record.
00:20:58.160 And when I got up and I was behind the rover and I got up and looked at the TV camera on
00:21:04.200 the car was pointed right at me and mission control was very, very upset with our moon
00:21:10.440 walk.
00:21:10.940 I mean, my moon jump.
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00:22:44.840 If you do something stupid.
00:22:46.820 Yeah.
00:22:47.780 You kill yourself.
00:22:48.900 Really.
00:22:49.700 I learned a very valuable lesson.
00:22:51.640 Never do anything on space that you haven't practiced on Earth.
00:22:55.600 When you practice, you practice underwater, et cetera, et cetera.
00:23:00.640 How like is it?
00:23:01.820 Space Station.
00:23:03.200 And we had one or two little exercises we did underwater.
00:23:08.260 But on the moon, you got gravity.
00:23:11.520 So we did a lot of zero.
00:23:13.700 We did a lot of one-six gravity training in the airplane where we do parabolas.
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00:23:36.220 Were you a God-fearing man when you went out?
00:23:40.280 I was a Christian.
00:23:41.420 I claimed to be a Christian.
00:23:43.160 But it was a mental ascent and not a heart ascent.
00:23:47.080 And so I don't know where I would have stood at that point.
00:23:54.100 And I know I wasn't walking as a Christian.
00:23:56.340 I was going to church.
00:23:58.420 We were faithful churchgoers since we got married.
00:24:03.020 But it was later on, after the moon flight, I was 36 when I landed on the moon.
00:24:13.820 When Apollo was over, I was 37.
00:24:16.480 And the thought occurred to me, I'm 37 years old.
00:24:19.500 What am I going to do now with the rest of my life?
00:24:21.980 And I had no peace.
00:24:24.340 And my marriage was falling apart.
00:24:27.440 And so things were pretty bad until 1975 when my wife became a believer after a Faith Alive weekend at our church.
00:24:36.900 And so she changed.
00:24:39.960 I watched her change, sadness to joy, in two months.
00:24:43.840 And it was real.
00:24:45.860 Two years later, I made that same decision.
00:24:48.280 And that began a healing in our family and a healing in our marriage and saved our marriage.
00:24:56.680 Jesus did.
00:24:57.680 And so we've been walking with the Lord.
00:25:01.000 And I know now it's a heart.
00:25:02.380 So that, in 78, when I made that decision and Jesus came from my mind to my heart, I experienced peace.
00:25:14.560 And it was just incredible.
00:25:16.900 And I knew that I knew that I knew that I made the right decision.
00:25:20.320 So we've been walking with the Lord ever since.
00:25:24.180 And we have a Christian ministry called Duke Ministry for Christ that helps with the finances, but it's not a big organization.
00:25:35.880 Right, right.
00:25:36.540 So we told the Lord, He said, if you keep giving us invitations, we'll keep going.
00:25:43.520 But we don't go advertise for invitations.
00:25:47.640 So, Charlie, my dad was, it might have been his 70th birthday.
00:25:56.440 And he told me when I was young that he was born in 1926, I think, 23 or 26.
00:26:03.800 And he said, Glenn, we never, we never even considered going to the moon.
00:26:11.760 That just wasn't even real.
00:26:13.080 He said, you know, that might have been later movie stuff, but nobody ever really thought about going to the moon.
00:26:21.340 And one of his biggest days was just watching the moon landing.
00:26:28.420 Yeah.
00:26:28.580 And he never got over that.
00:26:31.680 And on his birthday, it happened to coincide with a meeting that I was having with Buzz Aldrin.
00:26:42.640 And so my dad and I went out to lunch with Buzz.
00:26:48.320 And afterwards, he said, I said, how was that, Dad?
00:26:56.020 He said, that was one of the saddest things I've ever experienced.
00:27:01.780 And I don't know, Buzz, and I have so much respect for him, but he said, it's as if he never could find something bigger than the moon.
00:27:16.340 And I don't know how you would do that.
00:27:19.580 I mean, you go as a young man, you do something that, what, 12 people have done?
00:27:25.760 12 people have gone on the moon.
00:27:28.500 How did you get past, I'm on the moon?
00:27:36.740 I was on the moon.
00:27:38.720 Well, it was, like I said, it was no peace.
00:27:42.840 I just kept working at NASA for the next day.
00:27:44.900 So is that what you were feeling with the no peace was?
00:27:47.700 Well, you know, what am I going to do now?
00:27:49.760 You know, how do you top a walk on the moon?
00:27:52.160 You don't.
00:27:52.960 It's like every party.
00:27:54.200 Somebody says, you know, hey, just got back from France.
00:27:56.900 You win every time.
00:27:58.300 I walked on the moon.
00:27:59.360 You know, so it was, you know, and working on a space station, not a space station, but a space shuttle wasn't the same.
00:28:11.700 It was NASA and Apollo was so dynamic.
00:28:15.280 The decisions were made instantly.
00:28:19.000 You know, if we had to change this spacecraft, this system, you could convince the spacecraft manager or the Apollo manager that this was necessary.
00:28:32.260 Bang, he did it, and it was done.
00:28:34.840 And that's how we got to the moon in 10 years or eight.
00:28:38.180 But the space shuttle was, well, we'll have another meeting next week or next month.
00:28:44.720 And we were arguing on the coefficient of drag, and we argued over this and that and the other.
00:28:50.400 It just was boring to me.
00:28:52.140 So the dynamics of Apollo just faded away in those days in shuttle.
00:28:57.420 So when I left in 75, early 76, that was the state of shuttle.
00:29:05.500 And it was five more years before they got to shuttle flying.
00:29:09.240 And I look back now and say, well, I wish I'd have stuck it out for another five years and flown the early shuttles.
00:29:17.260 But that was passed.
00:29:19.140 And so even working on a shuttle wasn't giving me that peace that I needed.
00:29:28.120 And so basically I took my eyes off the moon and put them on money, say, well, maybe money's the answer.
00:29:35.120 Because we weren't, you know, astronauts don't make a lot of money while you make, if you're a colonel in the Air Force,
00:29:41.280 you make what every other colonel in the Air Force makes or whatever.
00:29:44.980 So anyway, I tried business, and I was very successful.
00:29:50.960 But I didn't have any peace until 78 when I, Jesus came.
00:29:55.460 And now I see I can do whatever I do, and I hopefully bring glory to the Lord in whatever I do.
00:30:09.580 You know, back to your dad.
00:30:10.980 My dad was born in 1907, three years, four years after the Wright brothers.
00:30:16.600 And he watched his son walk on the moon.
00:30:19.060 Wow, what an amazing time from 40 feet with the Wright brothers to landing on the moon in 70, what would it have been, less than 60 years.
00:30:36.800 My father said that.
00:30:38.020 He said, son, look what's happened in my lifetime.
00:30:43.660 He said, we went from no running water, no electricity, seeing the first car, the first motion picture, all the way to where we are.
00:30:55.260 This was about 2005, all the way to where we are today.
00:31:00.040 He said, never before has this ever happened like this.
00:31:05.500 And he said, but we haven't grown as people.
00:31:09.240 We haven't grown philosophically.
00:31:11.240 Philosophically, we're still asking the same questions generation after generation and still coming up with the same answers.
00:31:18.360 He said, where has where has the growth been that kind of dynamic growth in our spirituality?
00:31:27.940 You know, I see pockets of it around the world as revival here and there.
00:31:34.440 But it seems to me in our society today, Christianity is basically too rule oriented.
00:31:49.500 How can you possibly tell me what to do?
00:31:52.720 And so people are rejecting it.
00:31:54.920 Unfortunately, our families, kids, grandkids are still pretty solid.
00:32:01.520 But they're facing, our grandkids are facing an onslaught of negativity.
00:32:08.720 I can't imagine being a kid now.
00:32:11.340 Just raising my kids.
00:32:12.840 My youngest is now 17.
00:32:16.040 And it's a different world.
00:32:19.880 It is a different world.
00:32:21.560 Well, my my grandkids now are youngest is Libby's 14. 1.00
00:32:28.880 And I've got a great granddaughter that's a year old.
00:32:32.420 And so we've done a lot of praying for them and that they get it that they get it right, if you will.
00:32:41.480 And so I'm optimistic.
00:32:45.080 But sometimes you see what's all going on in the schools and what they're teaching in the schools.
00:32:50.480 This is totally crazy.
00:32:53.840 Especially with this new thing about that.
00:32:56.600 It's not about merit.
00:32:57.780 I don't know if I'm going to the moon.
00:32:59.320 I want to know that everyone behind me earned that position because they were the best mind we could possibly find.
00:33:09.500 And we're not doing that now.
00:33:11.500 And that that that doesn't put a man on the moon.
00:33:13.960 No, but it I see a lot of in the astronaut corps and the people working on the program have a lot of dedication.
00:33:24.840 That doesn't bother me.
00:33:27.560 It's just the the the things I see in our kids that are facing in high school, you know, that gender stuff.
00:33:36.900 And yeah, and all of this stuff that's biblically unsound. 0.92
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00:33:47.380 And so we got to pray for them.
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00:34:57.440 Something I've struggled with a lot is Operation Paperclip.
00:35:03.500 And you knew Wernher von Braun.
00:35:06.280 I think if it wasn't for Walt Disney and Wernher von Braun, we may not have been able to go to the moon.
00:35:14.220 It was Man in Space that Walt Disney did with Wernher von Braun that first lit the imagination of, yeah, we can put a man in space.
00:35:25.480 And he had a huge part of it.
00:35:30.380 But as I read about Wernher von Braun, and I don't know what to believe, I don't know what to believe.
00:35:36.000 There are some that say he absolutely had to have known what was going on in his own camp when he was over in Germany.
00:35:48.120 You knew him personally.
00:35:50.120 So let me separate you first from what you personally know about him.
00:35:54.440 And just say, because we brought hundreds of scientists over here, medical professionals.
00:36:04.720 Did we do the right thing after World War I by saying their knowledge beats the character or what they were doing for that knowledge?
00:36:18.260 Well, you mean World War II.
00:36:22.040 I'm sorry.
00:36:22.460 Yeah, World War II.
00:36:23.260 Yeah.
00:36:23.540 Sorry.
00:36:27.260 Those, as I can see, they had a job.
00:36:32.580 They were knowledgeable.
00:36:34.900 All of the scientists that worked on the V-2 and the German rocket program.
00:36:40.520 And I think they said, you're going to work on this program whether you like it or not.
00:36:49.640 And that was just the way Germany, these people were commanded.
00:36:53.480 And so I think when the war was winding down and von Braun was convinced he didn't want to go to Russia because he saw what they were like, they were like.
00:37:07.240 So he knew that the U.S. was a better choice.
00:37:11.060 And they came to U.S. and the Army put them to work in the missile command.
00:37:17.580 And I think their allegiance to the U.S. was always good.
00:37:22.200 And they changed over and they were very – the ones I met of his upper echelon, Kurt Debus and Struel and the others at Marshall that worked for von Braun were outstanding citizens.
00:37:43.380 And they loved America and they loved the space program and they wanted to commit to the – once NASA was formed to the peaceful exploration of space.
00:37:56.840 Prior to that, they were working for the Army Missile Command.
00:37:59.380 But in providing us expertise because it was being – those missiles were being developed anyway.
00:38:08.120 And so why not take advantage of the knowledge they had?
00:38:12.600 What did you do with – how did you know him?
00:38:15.240 I mean –
00:38:15.380 Well, Stu Russo, in the astronaut office, when we first got there, everybody was assigned sort of an additional duty.
00:38:22.660 You monitor the space grant development.
00:38:26.840 You monitor the lunar module development.
00:38:29.120 You monitor the Saturns.
00:38:31.480 So Stu Russo and I got put on a – that was our job and was to go and monitor the development of the Saturn rocket and then report back to the astronaut office.
00:38:42.700 And so monthly, we would fly to Huntsville, Alabama at the Marshall Space Flight Center and attend Werner von Braun's monthly management meetings.
00:38:54.680 Wow.
00:38:55.180 And we just sit there and we didn't have any input into it, but he welcomed us in and we became friends.
00:39:02.840 And I was very impressed with his management ability and his insight into knowledge of the problems.
00:39:15.480 And they did a tremendous job with the Saturn V.
00:39:19.300 We never had a failure in a Saturn, not a catastrophic failure.
00:39:25.120 We maybe lost an engine.
00:39:26.500 And I think only one engine was lost in the Saturn V.
00:39:32.720 And is that because of Werner von Braun and his team?
00:39:34.760 Yeah, and his team.
00:39:36.160 And so they developed this massive rocket that was – until the space launch system, SLS, is about to launch.
00:39:50.000 It's more powerful than the Saturn, but, I mean, we – it was a tremendous machine.
00:39:58.480 And Werner von Braun was behind it and his team, and they did a fantastic job not only to monitor the design and the changes, but also to launch it.
00:40:12.120 But Kurt Debus at Kennedy Space Center was one of – von Braun's original team, and they were responsible for the launches and did a fantastic job.
00:40:27.120 Why did we stop going to the moon besides disinterest?
00:40:30.300 I mean, it's such a –
00:40:31.660 It wasn't disinterest.
00:40:33.040 I think it was a –
00:40:34.300 Disinterest from the people, I think.
00:40:36.260 We got used to people going to the moon, it seems.
00:40:38.780 Yeah, well, that's true.
00:40:40.280 I mean, you know, Neil, every second was covered by Walter Cronkite in the news.
00:40:46.160 And when we went, ho-hum, you know, it was fifth landing on the moon, and nobody's interested anymore.
00:40:53.700 I remember your launch.
00:40:54.960 I do remember it.
00:40:56.360 The launch would hit the papers.
00:40:58.360 The landing would hit the papers.
00:41:00.280 But, well, they were out again.
00:41:02.080 This time, it all – they were successful, but it was never on the TV.
00:41:07.360 And so my family was able to go to mission control and into the VIP viewing room and sit behind the controllers and watch us on the moon.
00:41:23.340 We had a funny thing happen that I found out later.
00:41:26.900 We were on the moon, and I have a twin brother, an identical twin brother.
00:41:32.560 And he's – we were up there on the moon, and you could see us bouncing around on the moon.
00:41:39.280 Well, the flight surgeon invited – my brother was a doctor – invited him to come into mission control.
00:41:44.440 So the door opens, and then he walks, and they said it was a showstopper.
00:41:50.960 Everybody looked, and they looked at me.
00:41:54.700 Who is this?
00:41:55.800 I thought he was up there.
00:41:57.040 No, it's videotaped.
00:41:58.080 That's coming from Hollywood.
00:41:59.260 Yeah, maybe that might be the origin of one of the conspiracy theories.
00:42:06.720 When you hear people talk about conspiracy theories about that we never went, how do you feel?
00:42:12.520 Well, I'm perplexed because the evidence is overwhelming.
00:42:17.260 If they would investigate the evidence that we have that we landed on the moon not once but six times, you can't deny all the evidence.
00:42:29.820 We have photographs from Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter that's taken pictures.
00:42:35.160 You can see the descent stage.
00:42:36.680 You can see the car.
00:42:37.600 You can see the experiments packaged on our landing site, and every Apollo landing site is documented.
00:42:46.300 And for 400,000 people to keep it a secret for 50 years is pretty remarkable if we faked it.
00:42:54.700 And I told one of the NBC something, I said, if we faked it, why did we fake it nine times?
00:43:03.160 You know, if you go fake something, do it once and shut up.
00:43:05.920 Right.
00:43:05.940 But we went nine times to the moon and landed six successfully.
00:43:11.900 And so with the equipment we left, the science that's come back, the rocks are totally different than the Earth rocks.
00:43:20.360 And all of the evidence is we landed on the moon.
00:43:24.460 There's no question.
00:43:25.760 Somebody said, and I don't even understand that, there's a radiation belt in between Earth and the moon, and they say you can't get through that.
00:43:32.960 That's the Van Allen belt.
00:43:34.620 It's high-intensity radiation, but you're going through it at 25,000 miles an hour, so it's seconds you're through.
00:43:42.840 It's like an X-ray.
00:43:43.700 Yeah.
00:43:44.920 So it was, that was no problem in Apollo.
00:43:50.600 You're, you're, you're below, in Earth orbit, you're below that, but when you leave for the moon, you accelerate to 25,000 miles an hour, and then you're through those belts within minutes.
00:44:09.120 Were we concerned about that belt the first time we went through?
00:44:12.340 I don't remember any concern.
00:44:17.020 What they were concerned about was the radiation on the moon, and, and if we had a solar flare, how would we protect the crew?
00:44:26.960 And then the, the big, not misunderstanding, but the biggest unknown was, you know, if the moon is 3 billion years old, it's been collecting dust for 3 billion years, and will you sink into the dust?
00:44:48.280 And a lot of the scientists thought that, so we landed surveyor to, to make sure we weren't going to sink out of sight when we landed, and there was surveyor sitting right on the top of the moon, and I mean, surface, and, well, I mean, it might be dust, but it's going to be compacted or something, you know, and it's true.
00:45:11.340 I, I shoveled, I had a shovel, and I dug a trench, and, uh, near where we landed, and, uh, as the flight plan called for, and I got down to, I could only get three feet, uh, but as I shoveled, it was still dust, but it had a great bearing strength.
00:45:30.160 It was, it was actually pulverized rock, and when you analyze, look at it on a microscope, it's jagged, but when you.
00:45:37.540 It interlocks.
00:45:38.380 Yeah, it interlocks, and so you step on it.
00:45:40.880 We never made, uh, footprints deeper than maybe, uh, an inch or two inches at the most, and, uh.
00:45:49.700 So I've heard two things on that.
00:45:51.680 I've heard that the footprints, you don't make footprints on the moon.
00:45:55.800 You don't make footprints on the moon.
00:45:57.140 I don't know who these people are that come up with this or what they're using, but you can make footprints on the moon, and then I've also heard that the footprints aren't deep enough.
00:46:04.380 Well, uh, they, they would, it depended on your weight, I guess.
00:46:12.880 If you weighed 500 pounds, you know, you're going to make a deeper footprint than I do at, uh, 300 pounds in my suit.
00:46:20.060 Uh, and, uh, but you, you always left your footprints.
00:46:24.100 You never, and we drove the car, uh, Glenn, and we never worried about getting lost on the moon because the tracks were always there.
00:46:32.580 You just did a turn and follow your tracks back, and, uh, so, uh, you can see that.
00:46:38.700 You can see the tracks in the photographs from Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter, and, um, and so it's, uh, evidence is overwhelming.
00:46:49.140 What do you, didn't we leave, um, like a measuring mirror or something on the moon?
00:46:55.120 Uh, it was, uh, a, uh, uh, yeah, I, now you got me a mental blank on, it was a, uh, a, a reflector.
00:47:04.160 Right.
00:47:04.620 And you could beam a laser on and get a reflection from this object, and we didn't, we didn't leave one on our flight, but several before did, and so.
00:47:15.480 Can you still hit it with the.
00:47:16.760 Yeah, they can still hit it with, uh, with, uh, with the lasers.
00:47:20.820 That would seem to be kind of important.
00:47:22.720 Yeah.
00:47:23.120 Uh, I think it was 14, two before yours, that, uh, left an altar on the moon with the Lunar Bible on it.
00:47:31.260 Is that correct?
00:47:32.540 No, it was supposed to be on 13.
00:47:34.960 Right.
00:47:35.360 Yeah, and, uh, it was microfilmed, uh, and when the first 13 brought it back, uh, they, uh, put it on 14 and they left it there.
00:47:45.380 Right.
00:47:45.740 Right.
00:47:46.080 And, and some of it was, uh, uh, one or two copies were brought back and it's been, uh, distributed around the world.
00:47:53.320 Yeah.
00:47:53.760 And, uh, we have one.
00:47:55.140 We had, um, uh, Jim Irwin on, uh, Apollo, uh, 15.
00:48:01.180 And, uh, after he got back, uh, he, uh, became an evangelist, uh, and had high flight foundation, Colorado Springs.
00:48:11.460 And, uh, he quoted scripture on the moon and, uh, Buzz Aldrin had communion, Christian communion on the moon.
00:48:19.040 And, uh, uh, uh, and then Apollo eight quoted from Genesis, uh, on that first TV back of the earth.
00:48:29.980 So there was some spiritual input, but I, I didn't never had any, I didn't feel like I had a time, uh, to, uh, philosophize or to, uh, laughter.
00:48:43.200 Yeah.
00:48:43.580 Yeah.
00:48:43.900 It was still after.
00:48:44.940 Yeah.
00:48:45.180 And, uh, so it was, uh, I was busy, uh, the whole time with focused on the, um, on the procedures and the, you got to get this job done, you know?
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00:49:56.660 One of the things that people say, I'm just going through the conspiracies because I want you to leave record.
00:50:05.000 Moon landing hoax conspiracy theories.
00:50:08.460 Who shot the footage?
00:50:09.740 He's walking out on the one giant leap for mankind.
00:50:16.080 He had a TV camera.
00:50:18.200 Where?
00:50:19.160 It was in the, as he walked down, as he walked down the lam, he pulled a handle that deployed what was called a MESA, the modular equipment assembly, modular equipment storage assembly, storage area, whatever it was.
00:50:34.480 And in that was a camera.
00:50:36.840 And so when that came down, they flipped it on and the camera was pointed right at the, at the landing.
00:50:44.000 And so as he came down the ladder, this camera was taking his picture.
00:50:49.900 It's a TV camera.
00:50:51.560 It's grainy, but it was, it was in that assembly.
00:50:55.260 And then once we got off, they, they took the camera and put it on a little tripod, if I remember, but on a, on our flights when we had the car, we had a camera in the same area and we deployed the car.
00:51:13.900 And then I took the camera and stuck it on the car.
00:51:16.780 So, uh, as we drove, uh, we, we took pictures ourselves because the TV, the antenna was going like this as you bounced across the moon and it couldn't point it at the earth.
00:51:32.480 So when we stopped, we pointed the antenna at the earth, turned on the TV, and then they controlled it from mission control.
00:51:39.300 There was a guy sat there, he could, he could change the focus, he could change the, uh, everything.
00:51:45.080 He could tilt and move it around and we just turned it on and they, they took all the pictures.
00:51:51.020 Um, people say the flag is a dead giveaway because it's waving and there's no, there's no way a flag is waving.
00:51:59.380 Well, the flag was vacuum packed Glenn for six months.
00:52:04.760 And, uh, and when I unfolded it, I couldn't get the wrinkles out and they didn't give me an iron.
00:52:12.920 So, so I pulled on the flag and got most of the wrinkles out and stuck it up.
00:52:19.080 It looks like it's waving, but it's not.
00:52:21.360 If you did, and I took a picture once we got the flag up, I took a picture and in 72 hours later,
00:52:30.120 I took another picture and the same wrinkles, the same weightiness and it's held out by a curtain rod or aluminum rod.
00:52:41.880 And so it's all of these things that they say like this are just easily explained, but nobody wants to believe it.
00:52:49.420 They, they got this thing, you know, and now the earth's flat, you know, and all that stuff.
00:52:55.520 I can't believe that people are saying that.
00:52:58.540 How do you feel about, how do you feel about the, um, uh, the mission to Mars?
00:53:04.420 Not the government, but now all these private companies.
00:53:08.300 I'm, I'm all for it.
00:53:09.740 Uh, I think, uh, that was one of the greatest things that, uh, as, uh, a giant leap, if you will, for, uh, for the space program was, uh, uh, SpaceX's and Blue Origins and all, uh, getting involved.
00:53:24.880 And, um, you know, NASA never made a thing.
00:53:27.860 We always put a proposal out.
00:53:30.920 We need a lunar module. 0.76
00:53:32.080 We wanted to do this and that and the other.
00:53:33.800 And so we hired the companies that built it for us, Grumman and North American Rockwell and Rocketdyne and all of the people that were manufacturers and we gave them contracts.
00:53:46.560 And so we ended up with a spacecraft.
00:53:48.360 The, the, what happened with SpaceX and Blue Origin, they came to NASA and said, this is what we got.
00:53:55.820 You want to buy it?
00:53:57.580 And NASA says, yeah, we'll tell you, we'll buy that and we'll buy this.
00:54:02.080 And so they're, and they're really good at, at making changes and low overhead.
00:54:07.380 And, and NASA said, uh, basically has given them three or three or four of them, uh, big contracts to, uh, so SpaceX been the most successful Blue Origins, uh, coming along.
00:54:20.940 And, uh, uh, and, uh, uh, another one with, uh, Boeing, uh, to help.
00:54:27.820 So NASA gave them the seed money.
00:54:30.980 Right.
00:54:31.340 I mean, they put their money in and developed what they thought was going to be the future.
00:54:36.900 And sure enough, uh, I, I heard somebody say, um, just a couple of weeks ago, there was a launch of a Tesla and, uh, and it blew up.
00:54:46.720 And, uh, the immediate response was really, we went to space.
00:54:52.340 We could do this in the sixties, but we can't get it right with today's technology.
00:54:56.660 And my first thought was, it's not easy or everyone would do it.
00:55:02.800 Yeah.
00:55:03.120 Why does it seem that we have, we're not using, it seems like we're not using the technology that like the Saturn five rocket that we know works and is dependable.
00:55:15.940 What's the difference?
00:55:18.060 Uh, new rockets and new designs, uh, are, uh, uh, can be difficult.
00:55:26.700 Uh, and so this big one that blew up at, uh, Boca Chica, uh, in Texas, uh, was, uh, uh, just a failure, but they have had tremendous success.
00:55:40.000 Uh, uh, SpaceX has launched the astronauts, uh, in their SpaceX capsules and they've even recovered the booster.
00:55:48.200 That's incredible, isn't it?
00:55:49.600 And so the technology is a lot farther along than we did.
00:55:53.380 I mean, we threw everything away, uh, as we used it in Apollo, uh, you know, the first stage and, uh, it came back in and, and some of it survived.
00:56:05.260 Uh, uh, uh, I think, uh, uh, Bezos found five of the Saturn five S one engines, uh, 12,000 feet down on.
00:56:15.740 Wow.
00:56:15.980 And they've been, they've been restored and, and de-barnicalized or whatever you want to call it, uh, by, uh, uh, space and rocket.
00:56:25.100 No, not space and rocket center, the, uh, Cosmosphere out in Hutchison, Kansas.
00:56:30.040 They're tremendous, uh, the restorers of space artifacts.
00:56:34.120 Do you believe her in UFOs, alien life?
00:56:38.660 Uh, no, I don't believe in alien life.
00:56:41.160 Uh, uh, uh, I believe, uh, that the, uh, they are, uh, God showed me a specific answer to two prayers, that they're demonic and that they're, uh, uh, demonic beings that are making an appearance, uh, and appear to be real.
00:57:00.540 And they are real, uh, uh, angel, uh, Satan Bible says angel, uh, Satan can appear as an angel of light so, uh, they can appear.
00:57:11.540 And so, uh, nothing human can make a 90 degree turn at 3000 miles an hour and survive.
00:57:19.460 And so they have these, and I think the purpose is to draw you away from the, the, the real, uh, God and say, look at us.
00:57:30.940 And this is where you ought to be because we are superhuman and, and we can do it.
00:57:36.880 So, uh, that's my favorite.
00:57:38.660 People laugh at me generally, but I'm not going to be, I don't care.
00:57:44.040 I love you.
00:57:45.360 I love you.
00:57:46.600 Yeah.
00:57:47.140 God is, he's answered prayers, me, my prayers specifically.
00:57:51.540 And, uh, so I said, uh, and I get laughed at when I, people say, well, that's what God told me.
00:57:59.100 So I'm going to be, say that they're demonic beings and there's not any, uh, extraterrestrial.
00:58:07.320 I mean, uh, super, not superhuman, but, uh, uh, other civilizations out there that are farther away from us.
00:58:15.480 It's, it's a, it's a distraction from, from God.
00:58:21.460 Last question.
00:58:23.840 I don't understand.
00:58:25.620 I've been trying to get a space suit, an American space suit.
00:58:30.240 I want to keep it in the museum.
00:58:33.140 I could buy a Russian space suit.
00:58:35.480 I could buy a Chinese, I could buy a dozen of those.
00:58:39.160 I cannot buy an American space suit at, for any price from any time period.
00:58:48.260 Why?
00:58:49.020 I don't know.
00:58:49.840 I can't answer that question.
00:58:51.620 Uh, my, uh, my flight suit ended up in the South Carolina state museum.
00:58:57.040 Um, your flight suit, I mean, your, no, no, my help, my, the, the suit I wore on the moon.
00:59:03.720 Yeah.
00:59:04.760 It's in private hands.
00:59:05.900 No, no, it was in the South Carolina state museum.
00:59:09.620 It was on loan from NASA, but then NASA took them all back.
00:59:14.020 And they're now, why?
00:59:15.980 Because they were deteriorating and they were historic artifacts.
00:59:19.740 And so we're going to put them in a nitrogen environment and, uh, we're going to keep them, uh, uh, forever.
00:59:27.600 And, but nobody gets to see them.
00:59:29.880 That to me is crazy.
00:59:31.900 The things that were deteriorating is not the exterior.
00:59:34.540 It was just the, uh, inner, inner pieces, the, the rubber and all of that stuff.
00:59:40.200 So anyway, they took it back and now they're all at the Smithsonian, but I think you can, uh, I've seen, um, uh, uh, suits that are what I would call, um, training suits, uh, from Apollo.
00:59:56.220 And, uh, and I don't.
00:59:58.900 I'm just looking for things that have actually been to space.
01:00:02.960 Well, that might, that's difficult.
01:00:05.760 Yeah.
01:00:05.920 I mean, you can, uh, I've got things and, uh, we were able to keep, um, which after a big fight, uh, we were able to keep some artifacts that we brought back from the moon, but there's nothing like a space suit, uh, that we would bring back from the moon.
01:00:23.340 Well, we had, uh, some of the stuff that we used on the lunar surface, the, um, uh, the shovels, the rakes, uh, uh, uh, those kinds of things.
01:00:32.460 And then you could, once the spacecraft was used up in the lunar module, you could take the netting array off of it.
01:00:40.360 And, uh, some of the checklists and stuff like that that we'd used.
01:00:45.280 And we just brought it back with us.
01:00:47.440 Not only did we use it to help debrief, uh, the, the missions, but, uh, then, uh, we were able to keep that.
01:00:57.080 But it turned out, uh, uh, Congress finally, there was a big, uh, debate, well, it's government property, but Congress finally passed a law that says, uh, all the Apollo artifacts or, uh, that were brought back or the, the, that are in the private hands, the, uh, the astronauts, uh, have the authority to keep them.
01:01:19.160 Um, so, and then, and when you go, yeah, they'll probably take them back.
01:01:26.220 Charlie, thank you very much.
01:01:28.160 Thank you very much, Glenn.
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