The Glenn Beck Program - Ep 193 ｜ ATF Agent's CHILLING Warning： 'You CANNOT Trust Your Government' ｜ John Dodson ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

00:00:00.000 Today's guest, we have wanted to talk to for a very long time.

00:00:03.980 He reached out to us a while back, said he had exactly 161 days left before retiring from the ATF.

00:00:12.180 Until then, he had to keep his mouth shut.

00:00:15.100 But he promised he was sitting on a perspective that not a lot of people will talk about.

00:00:25.640 But last week, he retired.

00:00:27.160 He spent three decades inside the Justice Department, starting with local law enforcement, then a long career with the ATF.

00:00:35.260 He also did assignments with the FBI and the DEA.

00:00:39.120 Everything for him changed in 2009.

00:00:42.660 He was assigned to Operation Fast and Furious, the ATF gunwalking mission.

00:00:49.280 The Obama administration was all too happy to prop up the narrative that Americans can't be trusted with guns.

00:00:54.360 Well, today's guest was the whistleblower who brought that scandal to light.

00:01:00.700 He documented what he discovered in his book, The Unarmed Truth, My Fight to Blow the Whistle and Expose Fast and Furious.

00:01:10.340 If he hadn't have spoken up at the time, the world would never have known.

00:01:14.600 And there's no telling how political elites, what else they would have tried.

00:01:20.640 Nobody paid for it, but at least it was exposed.

00:01:25.100 But Fast and Furious, he now says, is only the tip of the iceberg.

00:01:30.400 His message is pretty startling and one that should concern every single American.

00:01:36.880 We were talking in a pre-interview and I asked him, have you mourned for your country?

00:01:46.480 And he said, I have.

00:01:49.120 He no longer believes the things he used to.

00:01:52.340 He still believes in the oath that he took.

00:01:56.000 He still believes in the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence.

00:01:59.660 But he has lost, he feels, the country that he grew up in and served for so long because we're not holding those things sacred anymore.

00:02:15.120 He's going to talk a little bit about the full scale, total war manipulation of the justice system designed now to just further political agendas and silence opposition.

00:02:29.200 He has witnessed firsthand how the government uses fear to get us to do what is against our best interest.

00:02:36.640 At every turn, they're breaking the law in order to enforce it or worse, in order to incriminate their enemies.

00:02:45.840 Today's guest, we asked last week, what do people do?

00:02:53.000 He said at the time, I don't have an answer, but I'll try to find one.

00:02:58.400 He wants people to know that you have power to resist tyranny.

00:03:03.060 No matter what they say, you are not a terrorist.

00:03:07.200 Please welcome American hero, John Dodson.

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00:04:09.880 We've wanted you on for I don't know how long.

00:04:25.580 First of all, thank you for blowing the whistle.

00:04:28.440 I can't imagine it was pleasant in any way, especially with Fast and Furious than what you have to share today.

00:04:39.420 Let's start with Fast and Furious.

00:04:41.320 What was that supposed to be?

00:04:45.180 Oh, that's a good question.

00:04:47.900 I can tell you how they tried to sell it to me.

00:04:50.900 Fast and Furious was an investigation into firearms trafficking that was occurring in southern Arizona.

00:04:56.980 And the firearms that were being trafficked were ending up in the hands of the Mexican drug cartels.

00:05:02.860 Fast and Furious was an investigation that was launched out of the newly created DOJ strike forces at that time.

00:05:10.780 And it was to combat that illegal firearms trafficking.

00:05:14.400 I was told this is how we're going to take down the cartel is by following these guns, taking off these trafficking networks, and ultimately prosecuting the Mexican drug cartels.

00:05:27.680 The problem is, you know, some people say it went away or there are some things that happened that, you know, weren't supposed to happen.

00:05:38.140 But the way it looked to me and the way that it was briefed to me, that it was kind of the plan all along to facilitate the trafficking of these firearms to the Mexican drug cartels, allow them to be used in crime.

00:05:49.760 And when they're traced by the Mexican authorities, count those stats to establish that this firearms trafficking was happening.

00:05:57.100 And there's no way you're going to take down a cartel.

00:05:58.920 That's why it didn't make sense.

00:06:01.100 So, so what happened then?

00:06:04.380 What, what, what made you red pill and say, I got to blow the whistle?

00:06:10.640 Yeah, well, it was definitely a red pill moment or, um, uh, come to Jesus moment.

00:06:18.400 Yeah.

00:06:18.540 And lightning.

00:06:19.000 I'm trying to think it was like a Mitchell and Webb.

00:06:20.860 There's an old British TV show.

00:06:22.620 It's not that old, but they're dressed in, um, um, they're pretending to be Nazi soldiers in World War II.

00:06:28.740 And the one asked the other one, Hey, have you ever looked at our uniforms with the skull and crossbones?

00:06:32.520 Like, are we, are we the baddies?

00:06:34.360 Are we the bad guys here?

00:06:35.760 So that was kind of my moment too.

00:06:37.640 So what happened was when I first got to, and you have to understand a lot of things led up to the establishment of the strike force, which was a DOJ run entity.

00:06:46.840 So for the first time in my career, I was assigned to a task force that was prosecutorial led and not enforcement led.

00:06:53.840 So it was led by the U.S. attorney's office, not by law enforcement.

00:06:57.300 Normally on a task force, you have law enforcement running it.

00:07:00.740 You have agents and officers from different jurisdictions that provide different expertise, different assets, availability, things like that.

00:07:06.940 This is the first time I'd ever been assigned where one was being run by the U.S. attorney's office or by a prosecuting authority.

00:07:14.720 So, and what, what is just so people know, tell me what a strike force is, right?

00:07:19.880 So a strike force was brand new in 2009.

00:07:22.240 They were launched.

00:07:23.080 It was funded by DOJ as an initiative to combat firearms trafficking.

00:07:27.240 And recently, also during that time in 2009, firearms trafficking was added to what's called OCDEF, the Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Force, which used to only be narcotics trafficking.

00:07:39.560 And when you can OCDEF a case and you get all these funds that are open to you that you can do wiretaps, you can bring in multiple surveillance teams, you can cross borders easily, things like that.

00:07:49.740 So in 2009 was the first time firearm trafficking was allowed to be OCDEF.

00:07:54.920 So DOJ created these strike forces and put four of them, originally there were four, throughout the southwest border, ranging from California to Texas.

00:08:04.520 So one being in Phoenix, which is the one I was assigned to.

00:08:07.840 And so that's what a strike force is compared to a task force, which is run by cops, make cases, and then take those to prosecution.

00:08:16.720 So the whole point of it was designed to combat firearms trafficking.

00:08:21.860 You also have to understand in 2009, okay, so earlier in 2009, the Department of Defense had said the instability along the U.S. southern border caused by the violence created by the Mexican drug cartels is a threat to national security, right?

00:08:37.120 So that opens up the floodgates.

00:08:39.040 Once you declare that, then all the rules go away about things that you can do.

00:08:43.660 So all these other initiatives start to take place.

00:08:46.720 So also in 2009, DOJ and the ATF released a statistic that says 90% of all crime guns in Mexico are U.S.-sourced firearms.

00:08:57.560 They come from the U.S. civilian firearms market, and they're funneled down south, and they're used in these horrible crimes that are being happened in Mexico.

00:09:05.260 Okay, wait.

00:09:06.200 I want to make sure, because they manipulate words all the time.

00:09:11.180 Yes.

00:09:11.420 When it comes from the American market, does that mean it's a gun produced here and sold here and then smuggled across the border?

00:09:21.700 What do they mean by that?

00:09:22.800 Well, see, that's part of what I consider to be the okie doke, right? 1.00

00:09:25.620 So they don't define or quantify that enough.

00:09:31.040 What they say is 90% of the guns recovered in Mexico are U.S.-sourced firearms.

00:09:34.680 Well, that information comes from the tracing system.

00:09:38.040 The only guns that we can successfully trace are U.S.-sourced firearms.

00:09:42.220 Either they were manufactured here or imported into the U.S.

00:09:45.320 Those are the only ones we can trace.

00:09:46.440 You can't successfully trace anything that was made in, you know, Pakistan or China or Romania, all right?

00:09:53.480 So that number should, in theory, be 100%.

00:09:56.280 100% of the guns successfully traced that are recovered in Mexico are U.S.-sourced firearms.

00:10:03.220 So what happens in 2009, when we start this initiative, ATF sends people down to Mexico to start.

00:10:09.820 And ATF also launches Spanish E-Trace and gives the Mexican authorities access to it so they can start tracing all their firearms.

00:10:18.900 At some point in early 2009, mid-2009, I think two compact discs show up at the tracing center from Mexico,

00:10:25.700 where they had gone in and just opened up their vaults and got every manufacturer and serial number of every firearm in the vault

00:10:32.400 and dumped it in the tracing system.

00:10:33.900 Well, that 90% dropped down to, like, 17% overnight as soon as these guns were put in there.

00:10:40.240 So only 17% of the guns in Mexican vaults were coming back to a U.S.-sourced firearm.

00:10:45.800 I've never heard that.

00:10:46.360 Yeah.

00:10:46.960 So that totally defeats the argument that 90% of the crime guns in Mexico are U.S.-sourced firearms.

00:10:52.860 So then, lo and behold, a short time later, Fast and Furious takes off, which is us facilitating, coercing the gun dealers into cooperating,

00:11:03.080 make them do transactions that they knew that they weren't comfortable doing, and express their uncomfortableness with it.

00:11:10.240 Greasing the skids so that they weren't stopped by Arizona DPS, they weren't stopped by Customs or ICE, or, yeah, it was ICE at the time,

00:11:19.180 or Border Patrol or anything like that to make sure they got into Mexico and then sit back and wait on the traces.

00:11:24.460 Now, even if you're doing all that, what you're not telling the American people is, and this is a big part of it,

00:11:30.060 say Colt, which is a U.S. manufacturer, Colt, you know, DPMS, any of the large major U.S. gun suppliers.

00:11:38.600 If they do a government-to-government sale, which they sell the guns to the U.S. government,

00:11:43.120 and the government sells them to the Mexican government or provides them to the Mexican government,

00:11:46.880 or the Mexican government purchases those firearms directly from Colt, all right?

00:11:52.280 Once they're in Mexico, they're diverted to the black market, used in a crime, recovered, and traced.

00:11:57.580 Colt's the manufacturer.

00:11:58.480 So, even though it says, we sold this to the Mexican government, they count that as a U.S.-sourced firearm,

00:12:04.580 and they blame the U.S. civilian firearms market for it.

00:12:09.780 So, remind America who Brian Terry is.

00:12:16.140 So, Brian Terry was a Border Patrol agent, Bortak, a very good agent.

00:12:21.580 Bortak is their version of a SWAT team, for a better way to say it. 0.86

00:12:24.700 And I never met Brian Terry, I'm sorry, but his, I know his family are wonderful people.

00:12:34.440 And to hear the way they talk about him, I wish I would have known the man.

00:12:37.100 So, in December of 2009, there's an incident in a place south of Tucson.

00:12:44.640 It's in a town near Rio Rico.

00:12:47.940 It's called Peck Canyon.

00:12:49.500 There's a crew of what we refer to as a RIP crew.

00:12:52.660 It's a bandit crew.

00:12:53.780 Armed illegals that come over, and they rape, rob, and pillage, and steal. 1.00

00:12:59.820 A lot of times, one cartel will control this avenue for drug smuggling,

00:13:04.620 so they will dispatch a RIP crew to protect their loads.

00:13:08.040 Then they'll also dispatch a RIP crew into another cartel's area of operations

00:13:12.000 to rob their dope loads going through.

00:13:15.060 Jeez.

00:13:15.940 So, Brian Terry and his Bortak team are set up in Peck Canyon.

00:13:20.040 A RIP crew comes in, shots are fired, Brian Terry is killed.

00:13:23.280 That night, two of the weapons, or I think there are three weapons that are recovered.

00:13:29.320 Two of them trace back to the Fast and Furious program

00:13:31.760 that we had facilitated the sale and trafficking of.

00:13:36.780 And then this is where the red pill moment really happens,

00:13:40.940 where you start to see, because ATF knew within hours of the guns being recovered

00:13:45.600 that they belonged to the Fast and Furious program, or they originated from there.

00:13:49.640 So, then you see the vault doors start to shut, you know, the blast doors go down.

00:13:55.320 And then they try to cover it up.

00:13:57.960 And so, it's, you know, the whole blowing the whistle,

00:14:01.160 and everything else that came out after that was trying to get the truth to light

00:14:05.600 and let, you know, the Terry family know what happened to Brian that night.

00:14:10.560 When you blew the whistle, what was that like?

00:14:13.700 It's funny now, because at the time I was so naive, I guess, is the best way to put it.

00:14:22.140 You know, it's weird.

00:14:25.760 People who believe in the Constitution and believe in the country,

00:14:31.520 I think most of us are truly shocked at these kinds of things.

00:14:37.940 We had no idea.

00:14:39.080 Maybe we were stupid, but we really have no idea.

00:14:43.120 Yeah, you don't.

00:14:44.320 And I didn't at the time.

00:14:45.400 Like, I joined the Army when I was 17, still in high school.

00:14:48.440 I've been under oath to protect and defend this country and this Constitution since I was 17.

00:14:53.740 And, yes, you see, you know, some things happen that are stupid,

00:14:57.620 and some things you disagree with.

00:14:58.980 But all in all, you think, okay, it's there for the greater good.

00:15:01.420 Like, yes, we have our problems, we have our mistakes.

00:15:03.900 But everybody does.

00:15:04.720 But everybody's trying to do their best.

00:15:06.860 And let's be honest, it's government.

00:15:08.060 So, it's not the smartest people in society that gravitate to that line of work.

00:15:11.260 Mm-hmm.

00:15:12.920 Myself included.

00:15:14.120 So, when that happens, when I see the way that they're handling it and they're trying to cover it up,

00:15:19.900 that's when I realize, okay, things aren't the way that I always thought they were, you know.

00:15:25.400 And it makes you reflect back on things that you've seen in the past and question that.

00:15:32.060 And more importantly, it makes you question pretty much everything you hear in the future coming out of that.

00:15:37.800 And so, it was a defining moment for me and my wife.

00:15:41.800 And my wife was, I got to tell you, she's so fascinating because she's not in law enforcement, 0.55

00:15:46.660 not in government, nothing like that.

00:15:48.360 But to see the evolution take place in her, too, about what she believed her government to be

00:15:53.740 and what it to stand for and things like that.

00:15:56.160 And then to where she is now, knowing that it's, you know, it's kabuki theater, for a better term.

00:16:04.300 Were you afraid?

00:16:05.900 Oh, yes, sir.

00:16:07.380 Yeah, there were times where I would, when I first blew the whistle, so long story short,

00:16:13.260 when Congress, congressional investigators called me, these were people working for Senator Grassley at the time.

00:16:19.940 And when they first got a hold of me, because I had vocally voiced my objection to the tactic of what we call gun walking, walking guns.

00:16:27.860 And so, I guess they had got wind of that and contacted me.

00:16:31.780 And I told them, I said, look, I'm not going to do this behind ATF's back.

00:16:35.260 I'm going to do it on board officially.

00:16:38.560 So, if talking to me is going to hurt your investigation, wait to talk to me last.

00:16:42.820 And they're like, no, it's not going to hurt us, but we encourage you.

00:16:44.980 Like, you don't have to say anything, and we'll do everything to protect your identity.

00:16:48.540 And I said, no, I've been saying this, and I'll continue to say it.

00:16:51.820 And I'm going to tell them that I told you, you know.

00:16:54.160 So, I told them, and then that's when everything changed for me.

00:16:58.100 And it got so bad to the point, I thought I was going to be arrested.

00:17:01.380 I thought, you know, SRT was going to hit my house, and I would, you know.

00:17:06.100 What's SRT?

00:17:07.000 Our special response team, or some FBI HRT, or whomever.

00:17:10.660 And, you know, I thought I would, I could potentially get shot while resisting.

00:17:15.120 Or, I used to wait until my wife and kids, my wife went to work, my kids got on the school bus, before I would start my car in the morning.

00:17:21.720 Because every ATF agent knows how to build a bomb.

00:17:25.600 And this is what I will tell the American people, and I've said it before.

00:17:30.420 When you know what your government is capable of, that is one thing, all right?

00:17:36.020 When you know what they're willing to do with those capabilities, that's when it gets terrifying.

00:17:42.280 And, yeah, it was a scary, scary time.

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00:19:00.940 I don't know how to exactly ask this question.

00:19:04.060 I understand what you just said, knowing what your government can do.

00:19:10.740 Knowing what they will do, or willing to do.

00:19:15.940 How did that manifest itself?

00:19:19.500 I mean, how did you come to understand, or come to the belief that my car could explode?

00:19:27.580 That's, I mean, the only reason I say this, I've had an experience, I don't need to get into the story,

00:19:33.140 but I had an experience where my wife said to me, we are living a Jason Bourne movie.

00:19:39.420 And a friend of mine, when I said, come on, this is not, and he said, new government, he's very similar to you,

00:19:47.700 and he was like, you really think it only happens in the movies?

00:19:52.760 This is real stuff.

00:19:54.680 You're playing with the big boys.

00:19:56.360 How did you get there to where you're like, they will do it.

00:20:03.280 They're capable, and they're willing to do it.

00:20:06.060 Yes.

00:20:07.460 Well, so I started getting there when, all right, so during Fast and Furious,

00:20:13.060 there were three specific gun dealers, four, really four, in Arizona,

00:20:18.160 that were cooperating with us on the investigation,

00:20:20.740 that had identified what we call a straw purchaser,

00:20:23.620 someone who's purchasing a firearm on behalf of someone else.

00:20:27.360 And all four of them had identified the straw purchasers to us,

00:20:30.720 and did not want to continue selling them,

00:20:33.080 because they knew, you know, you got a 19-year-old kid walk in with a crown royal bag full of cash,

00:20:38.220 and by 28 Ks, there's something wrong with that.

00:20:40.740 The gun dealers know this.

00:20:42.480 And my experience over my entire career had been most gun dealers are, you know,

00:20:46.480 small business owners, patriots, like they're honorable people.

00:20:49.880 And so, no, we assured them we've got this investigation, don't worry about it, we've got this.

00:20:55.240 You know, we're with the government, we're here to help, trust us.

00:20:58.180 So then, in December of 2009, I was sitting, at the time I had been thrown out of the ATF building

00:21:05.360 for raising so much objection to it, and dispatched over to the,

00:21:09.160 or signed to the FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force.

00:21:12.460 So someone sends me an article from the Washington Post,

00:21:15.320 and it's ATF personnel all the way up the chain and DOJ people talking to these two reporters

00:21:22.860 from the Washington Post describing how the, I think it's called the River of Iron is mentioned in there,

00:21:29.960 which is these firearms flowing south from Arizona into Mexico wreaking all this havoc.

00:21:34.400 And they specifically had trace data, which is supposedly law enforcement sensitive,

00:21:39.500 that we're not supposed to release that thing.

00:21:41.200 But it had all this information, you know, all the supervisors and deputy assistant directors

00:21:47.160 and stuff at headquarters involved and on the record talking about how

00:21:50.440 these four gun dealers in Arizona are the problem.

00:21:56.840 Oh my gosh.

00:21:58.040 And I knew that there's, I knew what the statistics were, but I also knew why they were so high.

00:22:04.180 They were so high because they were doing sales that they didn't want to do,

00:22:08.080 but we had told them to do.

00:22:09.840 And then we allowed, facilitated those firearms to be trafficked all the way through

00:22:13.920 and then sat back and waited for them to be used in crime so that we could trace them.

00:22:18.020 And then it comes back to the dealer.

00:22:20.320 So the entire article is blaming specifically amongst others,

00:22:24.280 but these four gun dealers in Arizona is the primary part.

00:22:26.840 So then, like, I start to look around and think, they know this isn't true.

00:22:31.680 They know this isn't the case.

00:22:32.660 Like, this is completely manufactured against them.

00:22:36.580 So that leads to that development of what they're willing to do.

00:22:41.000 And so then I blow the whistle and I first talked to Senator Grassley's office

00:22:45.660 and they sent a letter over to then Attorney General Eric Holder.

00:22:50.820 And DOJ responds and categorically deny the allegations.

00:22:55.500 They've never walked a gun.

00:22:57.040 They would never let a gun go.

00:22:58.780 It's, I'm an absolute liar.

00:23:00.440 It pretty much said, you know, John Dodson's a wingnut.

00:23:04.200 Don't trust any of us.

00:23:06.260 So then even when that comes out, our time director, I got information from other agents

00:23:12.300 and other divisions that during town hall meetings, when asked about it,

00:23:15.440 he would make statements like, oh, this is some disgruntled agent in Phoenix

00:23:18.520 that doesn't know what he's talking about.

00:23:19.280 So now I've seen my government lie to the media about what's going on.

00:23:24.080 They've lied to Congress about what's going on.

00:23:26.140 And now they're shooting the messenger.

00:23:28.980 They're coming after me trying to discredit it.

00:23:31.500 And so that's when you start to realize, okay, and like you said, it's, you know,

00:23:35.940 it's a very big pond and I'm a little tiny fish.

00:23:39.660 I mean, I'm a lonely GS-13 swimming in some very deep waters out there that I don't know

00:23:45.160 the rules of.

00:23:46.820 And then things start to get weird.

00:23:49.800 Like they start tapping our phones.

00:23:51.320 They're intruding on our computers.

00:23:52.880 I've got surveillance teams in from out of town watching me, following me around.

00:23:57.240 I find trackers on my car.

00:23:59.140 And so you realize these are things that I can't do without getting a warrant for,

00:24:03.860 or, you know, a lot of these things.

00:24:05.940 And now they're just flicking switches and it's happening.

00:24:10.820 When Eric Holder refused to go to Congress, that's pretty much the end of it, wasn't it?

00:24:18.680 Pretty much, yeah.

00:24:19.860 Because Congress's hands was tied.

00:24:21.460 He was found in contempt, fortunately, during all this, because at the time the Republicans

00:24:29.440 didn't have the Senate or the House.

00:24:31.700 But then once the midterms happened and the Republicans took the House, Congressman Issa

00:24:37.040 took over in charge of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.

00:24:40.900 And that was the first time that they could issue a subpoena because Senator Grassley was

00:24:44.740 in the minority in the Senate.

00:24:47.040 And so he couldn't, his committee, he couldn't issue a subpoena without the chair.

00:24:50.940 And the chair wasn't going to do it.

00:24:52.560 So Issa started doing it.

00:24:54.960 And then Holder was found in contempt.

00:24:56.700 Well, here's another thing that people don't understand about their government.

00:24:59.620 When you're held in contempt of Congress, all right?

00:25:01.880 I know what happens if I get a subpoena or if I don't do it, what a judge does to me.

00:25:05.740 So all Congress can do is refer that to the U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia.

00:25:10.140 Well, how did the U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia get their job?

00:25:13.400 Well, they're nominated by the president.

00:25:14.680 Well, who's the president at the time?

00:25:15.900 Same person that nominated the attorney general.

00:25:18.100 So naturally, no prosecution was brought forward.

00:25:20.940 How much worse did that make things that nobody paid a price for this?

00:25:26.520 Or did it?

00:25:28.440 No, no one ever.

00:25:30.060 Some people retired.

00:25:31.860 They had their time.

00:25:32.560 No, I mean, but did it make it worse by nobody paying a price?

00:25:38.140 Did it build their arrogance and like, oh, we can get away with anything?

00:25:41.400 100%, of course.

00:25:42.340 And you can tell by the things that have happened since then that it's just emboldened them.

00:25:47.520 Like it's and actually, unfortunately, you know, an unintended consequence of what I did and how I did it, which because I used the system like I did.

00:25:58.100 We have to take the whistleblower training every year online.

00:26:00.820 You know, it's one of our requirements for our learn ATF training.

00:26:04.440 And so I paid attention and I did it the way that you're supposed to do it.

00:26:08.560 So they couldn't come after me in ways that they normally crush whistleblowers.

00:26:13.700 So they had to come up with alternative methods.

00:26:16.580 And then so now they've learned in different ways to get people and to go after people.

00:26:22.180 And that's why I think whistleblowers in today's time and in today's environment have a much harder time.

00:26:28.220 So even as hard as it was for me, I think now it's it's it's even hard.

00:26:35.660 Are there a you know, here's the problem.

00:26:40.160 I mean, I've always respected police.

00:26:43.340 I've always respected the FBI, the Justice Department.

00:26:46.680 I know we have problems.

00:26:49.280 But I always trusted them, you know, I don't trust them at all anymore.

00:26:57.100 And here's why.

00:26:59.320 I believe the corruption is up at the top.

00:27:03.200 But I'm losing that faith because you have hundreds of agents, thousands of agents all across the country.

00:27:11.540 Do they not see it or are they not willing to stand up or is is the whole system corrupt?

00:27:23.040 There's a lot of answers to that.

00:27:24.720 So corrupt and there is an element of corruption.

00:27:29.180 There's also I think the bigger element is it's broken.

00:27:31.720 The system is broken.

00:27:34.460 Talk about the FBI for a minute.

00:27:35.900 So I remember when I first started in law enforcement, the FBI, we used to joke.

00:27:39.340 We considered them the fifth branch of government.

00:27:41.080 All right.

00:27:41.780 Because they existed for one reason.

00:27:43.560 That's to look out for the FBI.

00:27:45.660 Whatever they did, whatever they did, it was make sure the FBI comes out smelling like a rose,

00:27:50.140 which was frustrating, like you couldn't imagine when you needed something and they weren't OK with it.

00:27:56.360 But when you what you needed would align with with their goal of, you know, their PR campaign.

00:28:01.820 That was great because they were all the assets, all the money, anything you needed.

00:28:05.140 Yes, they were going to have the press conference.

00:28:06.560 But you still took your case to where it needed to go and got the bad guys.

00:28:11.500 So fast forward to now.

00:28:14.440 Right.

00:28:15.180 And that's not the case at all.

00:28:16.940 I mean, the FBI seems to be much more interested in.

00:28:20.640 And it's not just the FBI.

00:28:21.900 I shouldn't just single them out.

00:28:22.760 But but it's a it's it's enforcing a political agenda or, you know, the the wants and wishes of a certain party and where it started or where the change happened.

00:28:35.960 I'm not sure.

00:28:37.480 And I was like some of those guys to where I didn't care.

00:28:41.740 I didn't pay attention until I ended up in the situation that I was in, you know, that red pill moment.

00:28:47.380 And I can tell you, I know a lot of FBI guys, DEA, ATF, HSI, Border Patrol.

00:28:54.680 Those agencies are full of really good men and women that really want to do the job, that want to do the right thing.

00:29:01.400 Now, the problem is when when they're ordered something that's contrary to that, how many of them stand up?

00:29:11.500 That's the troubling figure to me, because I don't know.

00:29:16.700 I would hope that they will.

00:29:18.840 Have you ever read Christopher Browning's work, Ordinary Men?

00:29:22.420 No, I'm sorry.

00:29:23.500 So it was written, I think, in the 1950s, and it was a study done on the best police force, really most respected in what became the Eastern Bloc.

00:29:38.080 It was the Polish police force.

00:29:40.140 They were good.

00:29:41.260 They were effective.

00:29:42.900 They were one with the community.

00:29:44.980 And the whole book is the research on how did they so quickly become the most vicious killer of their own people.

00:29:58.300 Right.

00:29:58.400 And I think it's something that every FBI agent and every cop should read, because you might think you're on the right side, and you can turn, and then it all becomes self-reinforcing to where, well, we're doing this as a group, and we're doing it.

00:30:21.580 And once you hit that first bullet, make that first mistake, you're pretty much in.

00:30:31.480 I agree.

00:30:32.460 I agree.

00:30:33.280 And I think, as with Fast and Furious, what I saw there was you had these people that were making this argument for this tactic of gun walking.

00:30:39.880 And I'm just sitting and listening, and it doesn't make any sense.

00:30:43.000 And I know that sometimes they struggled with it, too.

00:30:46.420 But then you have your supervisor and your supervisor's supervisor all the way up the chain, all the way to headquarters, all the way to main justice, saying, this is great.

00:30:54.120 This is exactly what we want.

00:30:55.480 Keep up the good work.

00:30:56.320 So they start to convince themselves, well, okay, yeah, this is all right.

00:31:00.500 Like, I'm getting accolades for this.

00:31:02.500 Even if I have internal struggles with it, this is what I'm supposed to do.

00:31:07.020 Maybe I'm wrong in my thinking.

00:31:11.560 You know, I think, like you're talking about with that police force, law enforcement in the U.S. today, whether it's federal, state, or local, is it.

00:31:21.440 If tyranny is afoot, like you are the front line, you're it.

00:31:24.820 It begins and ends with you.

00:31:27.960 You're either the gatekeepers of freedom or the prison guards of it.

00:31:30.840 Make your choice.

00:31:31.700 Remember your oath.

00:31:32.500 Your oath is not to a party.

00:31:33.680 It's not to a person.

00:31:34.680 It's not to a platform, all right?

00:31:37.160 It's to defend and protect the Constitution of the U.S. from all enemies, foreign and domestic, all right?

00:31:43.060 Serve.

00:31:43.680 Do that.

00:31:44.220 We trust you to make a life or death decision in a nanosecond, all right, when you pull your weapon out.

00:31:50.200 Why can't I trust you when you're given an order that's unconstitutional to say,

00:31:54.120 you know, I'm not going to do that.

00:31:56.160 We've already had this discussion, too.

00:31:58.220 I mean, just following orders is not defensible.

00:32:02.100 We had that discussion in Nuremberg.

00:32:03.400 Yeah.

00:32:03.900 And it's not defensible.

00:32:05.180 And yet, I mean, people are so confused by, well, I mean, nobody's paying attention to the Constitution anyway.

00:32:14.380 I mean, I hear the things that are going on with all the agencies.

00:32:18.080 CIA is absolutely operating within the United States of America, right?

00:32:21.820 Yep.

00:32:21.960 Okay.

00:32:22.700 And is it through tricks, or are they actually physically in the United States spying on people?

00:32:30.080 Or are we just using foreign spy agencies?

00:32:36.040 Right.

00:32:36.260 Or anybody that has any contact with anything outside of the U.S., and then that falls under the patriarch, and you can scoop up all that stuff.

00:32:42.700 Or is it worse?

00:32:43.380 I think it's, well, I know it's worse than just part of that, but I think it's even worse than anything that I could imagine, much less no.

00:32:53.100 Why do you say that?

00:32:55.280 Because, like I say, when they, I know in 2009, when they declared the instability along the Mexican border to be a national security issue,

00:33:02.580 I saw the gates open for the intel world right there on that, in ways that was never allowed to happen on U.S. oil before.

00:33:11.880 And I know, and I'm sorry, I had to sign a very lengthy non-disclosure agreement when I retired recently,

00:33:21.380 reminding me that my commitment to classified information was a lifelong commitment.

00:33:26.500 Anyway, it opened the gates to a number of things that normally, or prior to that, would have required a court to review and sign off on, a judicial order.

00:33:41.160 Now, with the establishment of the FISA courts, you know, those rules changed instantly, and with zero accountability.

00:33:49.280 And so, I think the intelligence agencies are far more involved in the day-to-day lives of the Americans than what anyone is willing to believe,

00:33:59.900 just based on the information that's out there already.

00:34:02.460 And the depth of it is probably much deeper than that.

00:34:06.440 Back to the podcast here in a second.

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00:36:17.000 So let's go through a couple of things.

00:36:20.000 Let's start at the border.

00:36:21.960 Yes.

00:36:23.920 I mean, I believe just through acts of omission, maybe not commission,

00:36:32.980 but we are the biggest ally to the drug cartels now ever,

00:36:38.560 with smuggling of drugs, smuggling of human trafficking.

00:36:42.520 I mean, we have, we're just turning a blindside.

00:36:45.300 They are more powerful, much more wealthy than they've ever been.

00:36:50.860 And we all know that they are trafficking people and we're not doing anything.

00:36:57.720 Is this just blindness?

00:37:00.240 I don't know if it's blindness or if that's pure corruption or the system is broken that bad.

00:37:08.940 I joke that I think the Mexican drug cartels must be huge donors to the Democratic Party

00:37:14.500 because it's the only way I can understand certain stances on migration and illegal immigration.

00:37:20.200 So if you cared about these people, you talk about these migrants coming over, you know,

00:37:26.100 and where they're coming from and things like that.

00:37:28.060 If you honestly cared about them, right, the first thing you would do is shut the border down

00:37:32.460 and you would revamp our immigration system to allow it to happen legally.

00:37:36.140 Because right now all you're doing is you're funneling all these people that they're just trying to get here

00:37:41.160 and make, you know, make it to a better world, make a better life for their families or things like that.

00:37:45.360 And you're funneling them into the hands of the cartels where they have to pay coyotes or smugglers.

00:37:50.760 You have to pay the cartel to use their smuggling routes.

00:37:53.540 Like they don't just let somebody walk through, all right?

00:37:56.700 You have to pay them to do it.

00:37:58.380 And if you can't pay, you owe them, right?

00:38:02.180 You owe them.

00:38:02.460 You're kidnapped.

00:38:03.380 Somebody in your family's got to pay.

00:38:05.140 You're raped. 0.86

00:38:05.780 You're robbed.

00:38:06.520 They'll take everything from you, kill you.

00:38:08.320 I mean, there are so many bodies out there in the desert.

00:38:11.360 The average American can't imagine.

00:38:13.320 The cartels have forward operating bases within sight of the border.

00:38:16.580 You can see them at certain areas in the mountains of southern Arizona,

00:38:20.180 like full-on hardened forward operating bases where they're managing their corridors,

00:38:28.340 where they're keeping track of everything, using them as rally points and sending out their detachments,

00:38:32.700 dope this way, rip crews this way. 0.89

00:38:34.880 Humans this way.

00:38:35.880 And they will orchestrate all these humans to go down into the flats, all these migrants, 1.00

00:38:40.460 and they're called give-ups.

00:38:41.700 Border Patrol calls them gives up.

00:38:42.740 They'll get them just over the border, and then they'll honestly call Border Patrol and say,

00:38:46.140 come pick them up.

00:38:46.700 Well, you've got 200 migrants that have just paid the cartel to be transferred over, 1.00

00:38:52.100 that they've been, you know, had their ransoms.

00:38:53.700 Even after they've paid, a lot of times they're held ransom and their families and stuff have to pay more.

00:38:58.440 Who knows what kind of abuses they've suffered.

00:39:00.380 They're taken over the border, turned loose.

00:39:02.680 Border Patrol comes down.

00:39:03.480 They have to deal with 200 of these at a time in the flats.

00:39:06.760 Meanwhile, when all these Border Patrol come to deal with that in the flats,

00:39:09.960 the dope loads go out through the mountains and the rip crews go up.

00:39:13.900 It's orchestrated, and we're allowing it to happen by keeping the border open.

00:39:17.420 If you shut it down, you do a huge, a huge blow to the cartel's money train instantly,

00:39:25.140 the minute you shut it down.

00:39:26.240 I saw a number yesterday that they think that we have allowed,

00:39:33.060 I think the number was 60,000 people with possible terror ties.

00:39:39.080 No, I'm sure.

00:39:40.800 I'm sure.

00:39:41.160 I mean, but then again, you understand that they claim everything is a terrorism tie now.

00:39:48.680 I mean, anybody that does anything could end up, you know, on a watch list or terrorism.

00:39:54.260 So they throw that word around a lot.

00:39:56.660 I'm not trying to minimize what you're saying.

00:39:58.540 It's a valid point.

00:39:59.820 There's a lot of people from a lot of countries where we should probably know that they're here

00:40:03.880 or denied them entry that are making it through the border.

00:40:07.020 We used to take all the, like when, what was it, I think it was Del Rio, Texas,

00:40:13.900 where they were hit with all the Haitian migrants coming in. 1.00

00:40:16.600 Like, how did they all get from Haiti?

00:40:19.100 How did they?

00:40:20.120 Come across, like somebody's paying for this, to come across through Mexico to get to West Texas

00:40:25.600 and dumped out on the border.

00:40:26.900 Like, how does this happen?

00:40:28.180 Where's the funding for this?

00:40:30.240 Follow the money.

00:40:31.900 Do you have any idea where it's coming from?

00:40:33.400 I have no clue.

00:40:34.200 I wish I did.

00:40:37.020 You know, whether it's the elites, the World Economic Forum, or anywhere.

00:40:44.020 I don't know, but somebody's paying for it.

00:40:45.700 Somebody with the money to do it.

00:40:46.760 And what's the end game?

00:40:47.780 What's the cause?

00:40:48.580 I mean, what are you hoping to achieve by doing so?

00:40:51.520 So you look at the chaos that is happening in America.

00:40:56.140 I know, not as well as you, but this is the way we overthrow countries.

00:41:04.920 Oh, yeah.

00:41:05.960 I mean, this is what the CIA does.

00:41:08.800 And have been doing it for decades.

00:41:11.180 Right.

00:41:11.480 Look through Central and South America.

00:41:12.860 Look through the history of that.

00:41:13.700 The playbook that the CIA used to, you know, oust a government that wasn't friendly to the U.S.

00:41:19.420 to establish one that was.

00:41:21.160 You know, you go in, you cause discord, you, you know, you fund those groups that are going

00:41:26.900 to rise up to separate, to divide the populace.

00:41:30.960 You know, anti-government movements here.

00:41:32.560 And you, you get everyone on one side or the other or three different sides and you

00:41:36.560 start to destabilize.

00:41:37.940 Destabilization is the first part of overthrowing.

00:41:40.900 So what is their end goal?

00:41:43.160 I mean, they're playing it as if it's the end of America.

00:41:48.240 Right.

00:41:48.400 If you look at the playbook, I mean, that's where it looks like it's going.

00:41:51.240 You know, like we have front row tickets to the end of the empire.

00:41:53.660 I don't, I don't know.

00:41:56.260 And I don't know who's behind it.

00:41:57.720 And I don't know if there is a Dr. Evil or if it's just a conspiracy of ignorance or

00:42:03.160 hubris, you know, you can't be this wrong for America this many times in a row.

00:42:08.400 I know.

00:42:08.680 That's what I say.

00:42:09.620 I, you know, my wife and I disagree on not very much, but she finds it hard to believe

00:42:15.080 that someone is smart enough to orchestrate such a conspiracy.

00:42:19.560 And, um, when actually it doesn't take, it doesn't take that many people.

00:42:22.920 It just takes the right people in the right places.

00:42:24.660 Right.

00:42:24.820 And the right amount of money.

00:42:26.120 Right.

00:42:26.220 Um, and, uh, the right amount of information and that they, you know, this, this is, this

00:42:32.240 is what the progressive movement was in the early 20th century.

00:42:36.840 It was to progressivism was we like communism.

00:42:41.680 We just don't like the blood of a revolution.

00:42:45.580 Right.

00:42:46.060 So we'll take it step by step.

00:42:47.700 Well, in a hundred years, if you have organizations set up to move us in one direction, you don't

00:42:55.180 need anyone really running it anymore because they're all moving in the same direction.

00:43:00.460 Yeah.

00:43:00.620 So it's a belief.

00:43:01.520 It's an ideology.

00:43:02.740 And here's the problem.

00:43:03.580 How do you fight belief?

00:43:05.260 Like, how do you, I don't know.

00:43:07.680 We, we, we didn't, we, we did that in the, in the Nazi period, but we certainly didn't do

00:43:13.360 it after nine 11, we're not supposed to talk about belief.

00:43:16.280 Right.

00:43:17.100 Yeah.

00:43:18.020 And you, you look at all the vast majority of Germans, you know, in Germany during world

00:43:21.940 war two, pre world war two and during, we're not Nazis, but they allowed it to, they allowed 0.97

00:43:27.840 it.

00:43:28.280 And are we allowing it to happen?

00:43:29.440 I think every day, every day we allow our government to take a further encroachment,

00:43:33.000 to take away another freedom, right?

00:43:34.940 Every time that we allow them to overstep a new regulation, a new executive order, a

00:43:39.520 new this, whatever, every time we allow it to do it, you know, freedom dies a little

00:43:45.520 bit.

00:43:46.060 And I don't think people today, I think my kids today don't live anywhere near as free

00:43:50.560 as we did when we were that age.

00:43:51.940 Oh my gosh, no.

00:43:53.020 And they don't understand that.

00:43:55.520 They don't get it.

00:43:55.900 They don't know.

00:43:56.320 Um, one of the problems we were talking about, you know, how they label terrorists, if you

00:44:03.440 believe in the founding fathers believed in God, that our documents were divinely inspired,

00:44:12.700 um, that, you know, the constitution and the declaration of independence, that is the mission

00:44:21.380 statement and the operating manual.

00:44:24.660 You're an extremist.

00:44:25.880 Oh yeah.

00:44:26.560 You're a terrorist.

00:44:28.560 There is every year we have, I was talking about the online training that we have to

00:44:32.840 take.

00:44:33.120 DOJ has a video that we have to watch.

00:44:35.080 It's like 40 some minutes long and it's produced by the FBI who has a great production facility,

00:44:40.720 apparently somewhere in Quantico and it's called betrayed.

00:44:43.700 And if I tell you, if anybody can ever foil you, foil you it or get their hands out, put it

00:44:48.520 out there and watch it.

00:44:49.420 What it teaches every agent, as far as I know, every agent in DOJ has to watch it.

00:44:53.960 So I know FBI does.

00:44:55.100 I know ATF does.

00:44:56.620 I'm pretty sure the marshals and DEA do as well.

00:44:58.880 And probably the OIG.

00:44:59.860 So if you watch it, what it tells you is that person in your office, in your very office,

00:45:07.820 FBI or ATF, the person across the cubicle from you that's using words like constitution,

00:45:14.840 oath, right?

00:45:16.040 What this country used to be.

00:45:17.920 He is an insider threat and ends up selling you out that he is the bad guy or she.

00:45:26.120 That's the message of the video.

00:45:27.720 So just based on that, why doesn't every FBI agent stand up and say, I took an oath.

00:45:37.940 I took an oath.

00:45:39.360 The word you say is a mark of a terrorist.

00:45:42.260 I took an oath to defend the number two marking for terrorism, the constitution. 0.56

00:45:49.040 Right.

00:45:49.860 Why don't I don't know.

00:45:52.920 I can tell you, I think that for a lot of the younger agents, and it starts with, it

00:46:00.960 starts with, first of all, hiring practices.

00:46:03.560 Okay.

00:46:03.960 We're going to go away from hiring prior military, prior service, prior law enforcement, people

00:46:10.480 that, you know, that's the word I'm looking for.

00:46:15.340 Understand oaths.

00:46:16.600 Right.

00:46:16.920 Understand oaths.

00:46:17.960 Or are strong in their decision making.

00:46:19.640 Maybe that kind of type A kind of thing.

00:46:21.220 We want somebody more malleable.

00:46:22.900 All right.

00:46:23.300 So they go strictly to academia and they take in no longer do you need any experience.

00:46:28.380 You just need a degree.

00:46:29.500 You need, and we don't care what it's in underwater BB stacking, right?

00:46:31.940 Whatever.

00:46:32.520 You got a four year degree.

00:46:33.300 Come on, join the club.

00:46:34.860 And then we send them through our academy where you make them watch videos like that, which

00:46:38.700 again, doesn't say specifically, uh, John mentioned the constitution.

00:46:42.740 He's a terrorist, but if you watch it, I'm telling you, and I challenge anybody to watch

00:46:46.620 it and not get the same impression.

00:46:47.760 And yeah, the guy in your office that talks about oath constitution and how America used

00:46:52.420 to be better is the bad guy, right?

00:46:55.040 Um, so you take these kids that are malleable and don't know any better, have never, and

00:47:00.000 like I say, their freedom, they don't live under the same freedom that we did.

00:47:02.660 So they still think everything's hunky dory.

00:47:04.380 And then you train them in this way of thinking before long, that small sliver of the population

00:47:10.860 of agents has grown, right?

00:47:12.820 Can then you bring in schedule, be hiring schedule, be hiring, which isn't, you don't

00:47:16.120 have to go to GSA anymore and fill out your forms and your application and take the test.

00:47:19.840 You're nominated by someone in your agency.

00:47:22.260 Oh my gosh.

00:47:22.940 So now you've got people of the like mind can nominate other people of like mind.

00:47:28.220 And so that population goes, so that population that would stand up and say, no, I'm not going

00:47:32.100 to do this.

00:47:33.020 Dwindling is dwindling even more.

00:47:34.920 And of those you have, you have a portion of that that says, man, I'm so close to retirement

00:47:40.760 or is there, my wife would leave me if I lost my job. 0.99

00:47:43.140 Is there, oh man, losing your soul and freedom.

00:47:49.260 Is there no way, do people like you talk to like minded people?

00:47:54.620 Is there a way that anybody's talking and saying, we all have to stand up together?

00:48:00.780 Yes.

00:48:01.100 I've had that conversation many times.

00:48:03.860 Driven by you or driven by others?

00:48:06.180 Oh no, almost entirely driven by me.

00:48:08.240 Um, and, and there, there are a number in agreement of it.

00:48:12.660 Don't get me wrong.

00:48:13.220 And there are a few that are absolutely not and turn around and walk away instantly.

00:48:15.940 And you know who they are.

00:48:17.280 Um, but like I say that even there's a lot, but hands down the vast majority of the agents

00:48:23.980 that I've worked with encompassing all the different agencies are good people that want

00:48:28.620 to do the right thing.

00:48:30.240 Now we may differ on certain beliefs or things like that, but I, I believe them to believe

00:48:35.600 they're good people.

00:48:36.080 And this is, some of this is the problem I was talking about before.

00:48:39.800 They believe themselves righteous in what they're doing.

00:48:42.240 Hey, I'm told to do it.

00:48:43.640 This is good.

00:48:44.620 So did the Polish police.

00:48:46.360 I understand.

00:48:47.120 And I don't know how to combat that.

00:48:49.000 And I, I struggle with that question every day is how do you read nor read ordinary?

00:48:54.240 Right.

00:48:54.360 Why is this so important to me and not right as important to everyone else?

00:48:58.880 Um, and there are many others like me that feel the same way.

00:49:02.700 I don't want you to think that there aren't, but their numbers are dwindling compared to

00:49:07.000 how it used to be.

00:49:08.000 So, uh, catch it while we can.

00:49:10.200 Um, one of the marks of the Europe on the wrong side is apparently if you speak out about

00:49:18.040 George Soros, right?

00:49:19.740 Yes.

00:49:20.380 You had a run in with that.

00:49:21.700 Did you not?

00:49:22.100 Uh, well, I, I wouldn't call it a run in.

00:49:24.300 I just figured there was a time where, um, and I can't remember where the riots were,

00:49:27.980 the Portland or Seattle or somewhere like that, where it came out and it was pretty much accepted

00:49:32.520 information that, or been proven even in the mainstream media that Soros was funding these

00:49:38.840 professional rioters to go to these cities where, you know, like pallets full of bricks

00:49:45.100 miraculously end up on the street the night before and stuff like that.

00:49:47.680 But he's, he's paying for these people to go.

00:49:49.280 So the definition of terrorism used to be violence or the threatened use of violence to

00:49:54.560 achieve a political goal.

00:49:56.180 Like that was terrorism.

00:49:57.460 So on the terror, you know, joint terrorism task force, I'm like, why don't we open a

00:50:01.020 case on this?

00:50:01.560 This is funding of terrorism.

00:50:03.280 This is no different than people smuggling goods or, you know, cigarette trafficking or

00:50:08.660 whatever counterfeiting to get money to support a terrorist group in another part of the world.

00:50:12.880 This is happening here.

00:50:14.100 Like we know this.

00:50:15.380 Why don't we open a case on this?

00:50:16.960 And it never made it off the conference room table.

00:50:18.980 Like literally I was laughed out of the room for the most part.

00:50:23.480 Hearing how close we are to problems, real problems, you can either block it out or you

00:50:33.980 can do what John's talking about and strengthen your local community, strengthen yourself,

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00:51:34.580 OK.

00:51:35.060 Let's go overseas for a while because you have background in Russia, right?

00:51:42.660 Russian tactics.

00:51:44.120 Well, I was when I was in the army, I was a trained military intelligence analyst specializing

00:51:48.440 in the Soviet Union until the Soviet Union broke up.

00:51:51.740 And then I specialized in what the army called LIC, low intensity conflict.

00:51:56.280 So I want to talk to you about Ukraine.

00:51:58.560 OK.

00:51:58.720 Well, it seems to me that there's a good amount of people that really want this war.

00:52:12.260 Oh, yeah.

00:52:12.680 Want it to be World War Three. 0.98

00:52:14.400 Yep.

00:52:15.100 And we seem to be marching right into it.

00:52:18.900 First, let me ask you, Nord Stream.

00:52:21.420 I know you don't know, but what are your thoughts on Nord Stream?

00:52:24.400 I think we've if we didn't blow it up ourselves, we helped, helped, trained, assisted.

00:52:35.860 That's an act of war on a fellow NATO member.

00:52:39.240 Right.

00:52:40.500 Because it was it was going to Germany like you just you weren't just hurting Russia on that.

00:52:45.140 No, you're hurting all of Europe.

00:52:46.800 And look what happened to Germany that first year. 0.57

00:52:48.460 I mean, that winter after that when everything.

00:52:51.840 So, yeah, it's horrible.

00:52:52.800 And you're right.

00:52:53.600 There are so many people.

00:52:54.960 And as I know when the war first happened, when it first started.

00:52:59.220 And I remember all the reports and I don't watch a lot of news.

00:53:03.240 I catch some headlines and stuff.

00:53:05.480 But I remember my wife and I were talking and I'm saying, you know, this is so different than what I learned about how the Soviets would deploy, about how they would act.

00:53:13.960 Now, again, they're not the Soviet Union anymore.

00:53:15.840 But Putin is a child of the Cold War.

00:53:18.220 And, you know, former Casey.

00:53:19.940 He misses it.

00:53:20.640 And I think he's openly said that.

00:53:22.460 Yeah, he had to return to the glory of the past.

00:53:24.160 Biggest mistake of the 20th century.

00:53:26.360 So here in the news reports, I was like, none of that makes sense.

00:53:30.220 None of that makes sense.

00:53:31.080 And then I remember the first couple of videos that I saw.

00:53:34.660 And one was of a, some innocent man is shot, his vehicle is shot up by a Russian armored personnel carrier.

00:53:44.500 Two guys go to save him.

00:53:45.860 And the dog is there and won't leave his dead master now.

00:53:48.900 And it's, you can watch, it's completely scripted.

00:53:51.940 Like, it's not real at all.

00:53:55.060 But it was on the internet.

00:53:56.180 So the news has shown it like it's real.

00:53:58.720 And then after our first, I think it was after our first delivery of aid to Ukraine, we sent them some man pads.

00:54:05.520 So, you know, man, portable air defense.

00:54:07.180 And they showed video of their first, shooting down their first Russian helicopter. 0.55

00:54:12.140 And you can see it.

00:54:13.160 It's on a wire.

00:54:14.280 Like, it's a training video is what it is.

00:54:17.280 It's not, it's staged.

00:54:18.880 It's produced.

00:54:20.020 That is not what a helicopter looks like when it crashes.

00:54:23.080 I've seen that.

00:54:24.240 That's not it.

00:54:25.140 That thing is on a wire going to the ground.

00:54:26.800 I'm like, this is, are we wagging the dog?

00:54:29.580 I mean, is that what's happening here?

00:54:30.740 And then everybody is all in on this Ukraine war.

00:54:35.720 And all the trillions of dollars that we're spending was zero accountability.

00:54:39.520 Does anyone have any idea what that money is being spent on at all?

00:54:43.200 Has anyone asked the Ukrainians, show me what you bought with this money?

00:54:47.180 So I will tell you that, as I did the investigation with my team on the first impeachment of Donald Trump.

00:54:57.980 And I think that whole thing was to protect what was happening in Ukraine with the Democratic Party and all of the bribery through Hunter and all of that stuff.

00:55:11.400 But, you know, we overthrew, you know, several times now.

00:55:17.180 We've done it.

00:55:18.720 And Ukraine seems to play a very important role, which can only, for me, be explained as we need a clearinghouse for dirty money. 1.00

00:55:30.620 We need we need to employ some bad guys to wash some money.

00:55:35.020 And where that money goes, I don't know.

00:55:37.380 But just the money that we know we've sent over, you know, that's a lot of money that that money would change the world.

00:55:45.980 If you're not paying taxes on everything else, it would change the world.

00:55:49.400 So is is is is this a.

00:55:56.180 Are we involved in a payback for what Biden and his son were doing?

00:56:05.780 And because they were involved with all the same people.

00:56:09.100 Kolomoisky, he owns the bank, which the bank lost.

00:56:11.940 I think it was seven billion of our dollars.

00:56:15.720 Kolomoisky is involved with Burisma.

00:56:18.180 He also was the main backer of the president of Ukraine.

00:56:21.860 I mean, all of that.

00:56:23.980 And then.

00:56:26.120 Kolomoisky is thrown under the bus and he's now been kicked out of the country.

00:56:32.040 I mean, I just don't.

00:56:35.040 It's the same players, all the same players.

00:56:37.260 And I.

00:56:40.780 What's happening, do you think?

00:56:42.320 I don't.

00:56:43.660 I don't even begin to know the answer to that, but I can.

00:56:47.040 You know.

00:56:47.860 Yeah.

00:56:48.280 Is it more continuation of the money laundering or maybe it's an extortion kind of situation?

00:56:52.380 Right.

00:56:53.040 Hey, we know what really happened.

00:56:55.340 And now it's time to pay up for it before the world gets it.

00:56:58.100 But it's a it's what's happening is not what's being reported as happening.

00:57:03.620 That is one thing I'm sure of.

00:57:05.060 And the other thing I'm sure of is ever since Fast and Furious happened, I learned a very valuable lesson, which was with your government tells you this is important.

00:57:13.160 This is what we need to worry about.

00:57:15.200 You probably don't.

00:57:16.220 If your government tells you, oh, no, there's no reason.

00:57:19.240 Don't look over here.

00:57:20.620 That's what you need to pay attention to.

00:57:22.340 All right.

00:57:22.860 And unfortunately, this is the world that we live in now.

00:57:25.460 And this is what I don't think the vast majority of Americans don't understand.

00:57:29.240 You cannot trust your government.

00:57:31.020 Your government is not here to serve you anymore.

00:57:34.140 All right.

00:57:34.360 What percentage do you think is the these agencies engaged in protecting our rights versus doing stuff that violate our rights?

00:57:44.580 What is the percentage?

00:57:47.060 Well, again, I don't I don't want to talk about the individual people or agents because the ones that I worked with, I mean, no, are good.

00:57:52.980 I mean, the administrative state from the top.

00:57:55.280 I think the entire government is involved in it.

00:57:57.540 It's a total war kind of doctrine.

00:57:59.320 Right.

00:57:59.760 What's total war?

00:58:00.840 So when I was in the in the military, the deal was it's total war.

00:58:04.800 You got to win the sea, the air, the land.

00:58:06.420 Right.

00:58:06.640 The intelligence, the media, the information, everything.

00:58:09.500 You got to you got to bring everything to bear on it.

00:58:12.000 So I think that's what's happening now.

00:58:14.640 It's law enforcement is is becoming, you know, put in the bag.

00:58:18.500 Even, you know, the Department of Labor only puts out, you know, good information for one sitting president and bad information for another.

00:58:26.680 The Fed does one thing one way for one president.

00:58:29.480 The courts are so politicalized, politicized now, like judges used to.

00:58:34.200 It didn't matter what party or who nominated them.

00:58:36.780 They ruled on matters of law in the Constitution.

00:58:39.320 Now, anything hits the Supreme Court.

00:58:42.400 They're what?

00:58:43.320 Zero odds on who's going to vote which way because, you know, what's going to happen.

00:58:46.660 So everything has been politicized and it's all part of this machine.

00:58:51.860 It's a total war kind of concept, which to take it all, you know, control the information, control the enforcement.

00:58:58.900 And that's where the law enforcement come in.

00:59:00.460 The military, the money, the Fed, the economy, everything is just.

00:59:08.280 Is it being attacked?

00:59:12.500 Anything's fixable.

00:59:13.420 Well, the manner means to do it may not, what it might ultimately take to do it is pretty frightening, you know?

00:59:26.280 I mean, I don't know how you fix it.

00:59:30.320 And I am not here advocating for anything other than the American people know what's going on.

00:59:36.900 And I would encourage you to strengthen your smaller communities, your local communities, all right?

00:59:44.320 That's where your vote counts.

00:59:45.860 That's what's important.

00:59:46.660 It should not matter to you one way or the other who's in the White House.

00:59:49.740 Like, that shouldn't affect your day-to-day life.

00:59:52.300 The way our Constitution is drafted and the way our country is set up, it has a very limited role, a very limited role.

00:59:58.140 Who's in your governor's mansion matters, right?

01:00:00.340 Who's in your border supervisors or your city council, your school boards, who's your sheriff, zoning, all of these things.

01:00:07.360 These are important.

01:00:08.540 Get to know the people in your community, you know?

01:00:10.860 Get to know them.

01:00:11.980 Vote in those.

01:00:12.540 Take power back from this giant self-licking ice cream cone that is the federal government.

01:00:17.280 Because it's not there for you.

01:00:18.980 It's there for itself, right?

01:00:20.640 Just, it enjoys itself and we sit back and watch and all we get to do is pay for it.

01:00:25.580 Take that power away.

01:00:26.580 Give it back to the states.

01:00:27.400 Don't vote for any candidate that is not going to tell you, I'm going to take power away from the federal government and give it back to the state.

01:00:33.760 And the important thing about that is, what's good for California is good for California.

01:00:38.900 What's good for North Carolina is good for North Carolina. 0.69

01:00:41.120 It doesn't have to be the same.

01:00:42.500 That is a democratic republic.

01:00:44.180 That's what our country is based on, you know?

01:00:46.780 And your vote counts in those instances.

01:00:49.220 So, there's a debate going on now.

01:00:52.160 And it's really about balkanization.

01:00:54.820 Everything that is being done to us is to divide.

01:00:57.520 You divide, you conquer.

01:00:58.920 Yes.

01:01:00.420 However, there is a line of thought that says, you know, if I live in New York, that thing is so far gone.

01:01:10.060 And I probably should get out of there because if there ever is a gate closing, you are where you are.

01:01:17.340 Right.

01:01:17.520 And places like Texas or Florida is having such an influx of people.

01:01:24.260 Arizona as well.

01:01:24.920 Yeah.

01:01:25.080 People from the Pacific Northwest and California.

01:01:26.980 And we are going to lose those places if we don't gather together.

01:01:33.620 But that's balkanization, too.

01:01:37.020 Do you have any thoughts on this?

01:01:39.980 I mean, I have opinions about it, but I don't know how to fix it.

01:01:44.300 Because in Arizona, we saw it happening.

01:01:45.960 All these people from California would sell their houses for cash. 0.85

01:01:49.400 You know, their small little house for $900,000 million, whatever.

01:01:53.280 Come to Arizona, to Tucson, and buy a big house and pay cash for that.

01:01:56.600 And so, young families and things like that are trying to buy a house or get in their first house can't because prices have gone through the roof.

01:02:05.200 And every time somebody puts their house on a market, within two hours, they get a cash offer for 10% more than asking price.

01:02:11.380 So, Arizonans can't buy houses in Arizona.

01:02:13.620 That's the way it was happening.

01:02:14.700 So, all of these, you know, California, Pacific Northwest, and other regions and stuff, too, they come in.

01:02:21.140 And then, for some reason, they start voting for the same stuff that they voted for there and expecting a different outcome, I guess.

01:02:28.240 Whatever happened there that taxed them out or raised their property values, they come here and did it.

01:02:32.680 And it's the definition of insanity, right?

01:02:34.320 You do the same thing over and expect different results.

01:02:37.400 So, one of the things I think they're trying to teach us is don't gather.

01:02:41.780 Don't gather in groups.

01:02:42.840 Oh, 100%.

01:02:43.620 Yeah.

01:02:44.040 They don't want you to.

01:02:44.680 And COVID played a big part in that.

01:02:46.560 Can't go outside.

01:02:47.200 Can't go to the beach.

01:02:48.400 Don't talk.

01:02:48.920 Talking to people is dangerous.

01:02:49.880 And fear.

01:02:51.160 Fear is the biggest part of this.

01:02:52.480 And they're using fear to drive home these messages and to separate and to divide and to conquer us.

01:02:57.680 And every time they get us scared enough, they can take away another right.

01:03:00.220 They can take away another freedom.

01:03:02.000 Right?

01:03:02.300 But that's why I say get involved in your community, in your local community.

01:03:06.380 Right.

01:03:06.600 All right?

01:03:07.200 Strengthen the local community and take that power away from the Fed.

01:03:12.680 You say the DEA is the number one money launderer in the...

01:03:17.800 What does that mean?

01:03:18.620 Well, and they do it on the auspice.

01:03:21.460 And talking about, like, in relation to the Fast and Furious, in order to combat illegal firearms trafficking to the Mexican drug cartels, we were legally trafficking firearms to the Mexican drug cartels.

01:03:31.140 So, in order to combat money laundering, you know, by the drug traffickers, the DEA has devised the best way to investigate that is to actually launder money itself.

01:03:41.700 You know, it's like when I mentioned a cigarette trafficking case from years ago, when ATF used to be much more involved in that stuff.

01:03:50.060 So, cigarette trafficking is where you go to a state and you buy cigarettes at a low tax, take them to a state and sell them that's much higher tax.

01:03:56.600 So, from, like, Virginia, you could buy $20,000 worth of cigarettes, put it in a Jeep Cherokee, drive to New York City, and sell it for almost $40,000 in a day, you know?

01:04:07.460 So, it was always said that this, you know, every time you see this happening, you hear, oh, it's funding terrorism.

01:04:12.340 It's a funding terrorist case.

01:04:13.920 So, you let it go on for a year while you're making this case, and you're thinking, well, how much money did we fund terrorists over this year instead of just shutting it down?

01:04:22.460 So, that's my point about the DEA and the money laundering.

01:04:24.600 Like, how much money are you laundering to make a money laundering case?

01:04:28.700 If it's that, if it's so hard to launder money undetectably, why are you doing so much of it in order to make a case for it?

01:04:37.880 Right.

01:04:38.440 So.

01:04:39.600 Let me take you to January 6th, and I know you weren't there.

01:04:42.460 Right.

01:04:43.920 I was not there.

01:04:50.640 You weren't there, so you don't know for sure.

01:04:53.540 But you know the tactics.

01:04:54.980 Yes.

01:04:56.240 I remember January 4th, 5th, and 6th, I was on the air saying, don't go.

01:05:02.820 Don't go.

01:05:03.260 This just reeks of trouble.

01:05:05.660 Right.

01:05:06.680 Because everybody's emotions are so high, and if you don't know who you're standing next to,

01:05:13.920 you can be standing next to anybody that has a very different view of how the day should end.

01:05:19.460 And people went.

01:05:24.120 Lots of people went.

01:05:24.820 I think this is my view on the 6th and forever is, I think there were bad actors who do kind of want to overthrow the government.

01:05:36.220 I think there probably were a few people there that wouldn't mind killing somebody like Mike Pence.

01:05:43.940 I don't know, but I saw the way they were breaking in to the, you know, they were, they looked more like Antifa than a Tea Party or a Trump supporter.

01:05:54.760 However, I don't know.

01:05:56.180 But I also think the vast majority that was there was not trouble.

01:06:02.600 And we have now seen the largest investigation and manhunt in American history, and they've just said they're going to go for another 2,000 people.

01:06:18.000 Meanwhile, we can't find the guy on the scaffolding.

01:06:24.360 We can't find the guy who, we have full shots of their face.

01:06:27.720 Right.

01:06:28.060 We have them on video talking on a phone.

01:06:31.180 Right.

01:06:31.360 And yet we can't seem to find them.

01:06:35.860 Ray Epps.

01:06:36.760 I don't know who that guy is, but I know that there was more video of him saying, we got to take over.

01:06:44.480 We got to go get him.

01:06:46.140 Then the guy who just got 22 years.

01:06:48.300 Right.

01:06:48.580 Who wasn't even there?

01:06:49.380 Who wasn't there?

01:06:49.960 If I understand it correctly.

01:06:50.920 Yeah.

01:06:52.020 That leads to conspiracy theories, because that's all you have at this point.

01:06:58.520 You don't have the facts.

01:07:00.080 Right.

01:07:00.260 It can quickly go from conspiracy theory to conspiracy fact if you watch the videotape, which you're not allowed to do.

01:07:07.120 Right.

01:07:08.080 If you ask the DOJ, how many agents did you have there?

01:07:13.460 Were there anybody from the CIA or anything else there?

01:07:18.860 You've been undercover in large crowds.

01:07:22.660 Yes.

01:07:22.860 That's commonplace, is it not?

01:07:24.700 Oh, yeah.

01:07:25.720 Any doubt in your mind that there were lots of people on the ground that day?

01:07:30.720 No, no one whatsoever.

01:07:32.100 It's standard practice.

01:07:33.140 Whenever you have a large gathering like that, you have undercovers in the crowd that walk around, keep their eyes and ears open.

01:07:37.340 They're in contact with uniform or, you know, through a command center.

01:07:40.560 And when you have someone that's an agitator or someone that's, you know, stoking the fire, then you make contact with them.

01:07:47.020 And you say, hey, pull this guy out like he's this person's causing something.

01:07:50.680 We need to calm the situation down.

01:07:51.960 And so a couple uniforms come in, grab that person out of the crowd and take them away, detain them, just remove them from the incident so things don't, you don't allow them to escalate.

01:08:01.760 And, I mean, it's what we do.

01:08:04.900 It's what we've done.

01:08:05.480 You've got to figure.

01:08:05.820 I was a police officer in Northern Virginia right outside of D.C. for 11 years.

01:08:10.160 So we had to do it all the time.

01:08:13.600 Not all the time, but pretty frequently because I was in Vice Narcotics.

01:08:16.600 Or once I got into Vice Narcotics, we were the undercover guys.

01:08:19.100 So we got sent not only to protest and rallies, but concerts, sporting events, stuff like you keep us in there and you're always looking for somebody that's agitating.

01:08:28.560 And that's how you deal with that stuff.

01:08:31.400 Boy, America does not know that.

01:08:32.780 But I don't think that's, I didn't think that was a big secret.

01:08:36.860 Like, of course, anywhere you go, like nine times out of ten, you can spot the cop anyway, especially if he's an agent.

01:08:43.180 He's got the, you know, the khaki pants with the cargo pockets and the, you know.

01:08:47.500 Okay, so what you saw, knowing that there had to be people there, knowing now that they had the information in advance that something, something was coming and they didn't pass it on, kick it up the food chain.

01:09:03.760 Were any of the standard practices, did you see anything that you were like, okay, that's what we do?

01:09:09.980 Yeah, I wasn't, like I say, I wasn't there, I wasn't in the weeds on it.

01:09:12.720 I have no idea what briefings took place ahead of time and what didn't.

01:09:15.960 But from what I have seen on certain videos that are out there and what I know about it now, I find it difficult to imagine how a crowd that large was anticipated and more precautions weren't taken.

01:09:33.980 And there weren't people in the crowd and there weren't, you know, teams readily available to deal with it.

01:09:41.960 I mean, you know, D.C., MPD, Metropolitan Police Department, used to handle all the riots.

01:09:49.840 Like everything that went to, how many riots, you know, happened in D.C.

01:09:52.600 And this was years ago, decades ago, yes.

01:09:54.860 But they are the ones that learned the lessons the hard way on how to deal with that stuff.

01:09:59.720 For them, I mean, for it to just be forgotten for that event is troublesome.

01:10:05.560 I don't understand how it would have happened.

01:10:10.300 And I understand the conspiracy theories, and I don't have answers to them one way or the other.

01:10:14.940 But I know it doesn't.

01:10:15.800 I don't either.

01:10:16.720 There's a lot of questions out there that need to be answered.

01:10:20.020 And it doesn't seem like it would be too hard to answer them.

01:10:22.500 Let me ask you, you know, I just talked about the people whose faces we have, we have them on videotape, really being leaders and preparing areas and saying, go in here, go in here.

01:10:40.040 They've never been on an FBI wanted list.

01:10:43.920 They've never been questioned.

01:10:45.300 And when we question and say, why haven't you looked for this guy?

01:10:51.200 Why isn't they, why aren't they at least on an FBI most wanted list?

01:10:54.840 Right.

01:10:55.500 And how come you can't find it after they tell us about how they can triangulate everything?

01:11:00.660 Right.

01:11:00.820 Or a person of interest.

01:11:01.880 Right.

01:11:02.160 And, you know, I just saw one guy was just identified, they said, because his ears were a little different.

01:11:09.840 And that's how they found him in Oklahoma.

01:11:12.320 His ears were different.

01:11:13.740 But how is it that we're not finding these people?

01:11:18.260 Is that, do you think that's, we have full pictures of them and some of them on their phone talking to people?

01:11:26.580 Is there, is there a way that you?

01:11:29.900 How did they not find Whitey Bulger for 20 years or however long it was? 0.85

01:11:35.420 I don't know.

01:11:36.820 What I can tell you is, I mean, obviously, I think if they wanted to find him bad enough, they could find him.

01:11:41.460 Especially if their technology is what they say it is and how easy it is to pick people out of a crowd.

01:11:48.200 Do you believe that?

01:11:49.280 That it is?

01:11:51.200 That it's that good?

01:11:52.400 Yeah.

01:11:54.280 If it is, they're using stuff that I never had.

01:11:57.560 They got their, they have assets from other three letter agencies.

01:12:01.200 Because nothing we ever had would do stuff like that.

01:12:07.220 Yeah, it's, there's so many questions that are involved with that.

01:12:10.180 And it's.

01:12:12.920 You're A, T, F, and E.

01:12:16.740 And E.

01:12:17.440 Retire.

01:12:18.200 Right.

01:12:18.600 E is for explosives.

01:12:21.740 Yes.

01:12:23.260 Pipe bomb.

01:12:24.880 Can you, can you fill me in on how, how, how have we not found the pipe bomb people?

01:12:33.460 Yeah, I don't know.

01:12:34.520 Because that's kind of our expertise.

01:12:36.940 Right.

01:12:37.560 What we, like we can trace components of, of every bomb.

01:12:41.980 And, what would you look, if you had that pipe bomb, what could you tell?

01:12:48.840 Well, you look at everything.

01:12:49.640 Once you get the lab reports for the, you know, the kind of explosive or powder that was used in it.

01:12:53.880 And that can narrow it down.

01:12:54.980 Your search rate is like what you're looking for.

01:12:57.440 What kind of caps they are.

01:12:58.980 They have lot numbers on them a lot of times.

01:13:00.580 So, the manufacturers can tell you what stores they were sent to and sold in.

01:13:05.200 There's a number of different things.

01:13:06.680 Some things I don't want to get too specific in.

01:13:08.480 Yeah, yeah.

01:13:08.720 Because we want to keep being able to find them.

01:13:11.980 But, I think there's very few instances where we haven't been able to run down at least some really good leads on where a bomb was manufactured.

01:13:20.140 Or where its components were at least purchased.

01:13:22.260 When and where.

01:13:23.920 And, that can help you.

01:13:28.220 How close are we?

01:13:29.540 I believe we're maybe one major event away.

01:13:33.260 And, it scares the hell out of me.

01:13:35.220 How close are we to a police state?

01:13:38.160 I think we get closer every day.

01:13:44.900 And, we're closer now than we've ever been in my lifetime.

01:13:51.640 And, I don't think it's going to take much.

01:13:55.000 When COVID happened and the lockdowns and the mandates.

01:13:58.320 And, I could not believe that Americans fell in line that way.

01:14:01.840 I can't believe that we're so stricken by fear over these things now.

01:14:09.160 And, so, I mean, our country was built on, you know.

01:14:11.980 Crossing the mountains.

01:14:13.040 Right.

01:14:14.200 And, for us to just huddle down like that.

01:14:17.320 Shocking.

01:14:18.220 Yeah.

01:14:18.740 And, terrifying.

01:14:19.660 But, I realized when they did it.

01:14:21.360 And, the steps that the federal government took.

01:14:23.300 And, some state governments.

01:14:24.280 And, then I thought, okay, it's only a matter of time before another scare happens.

01:14:28.900 And, is that, you know, reasoning behind the war in Ukraine.

01:14:31.600 You know, that they've, you know, the Russians are, oh, they're talking about using nukes now. 0.53

01:14:35.460 Putin's a madman.

01:14:36.280 A madman.

01:14:37.180 If he doesn't stop Ukraine, he's going to take all of Germany. 0.98

01:14:39.060 Meanwhile, we're moving nukes back into London.

01:14:42.240 Right.

01:14:42.420 Or, into England.

01:14:43.860 Right.

01:14:44.220 Which.

01:14:45.140 He said, I'll take that as a major escalation if you do that.

01:14:48.920 Yes.

01:14:49.640 And, if, you know, and, actually, a lot of the things that happened prior to their invasion was, you know, based upon deals that we had.

01:14:56.000 Putin had clearly said, these are the things that I don't want.

01:14:58.840 The U.S. said, okay.

01:14:59.800 And, then we started doing them anyway.

01:15:01.120 So, it's, you know, it's that moment.

01:15:02.920 Like, are we the baddies here?

01:15:04.460 What are we doing?

01:15:05.960 And, why are we trying to do it?

01:15:07.500 So, how close are we to the police state?

01:15:10.620 I think we're probably closer than most people realize.

01:15:13.100 And, these indictments, the issues on January 6th, the current indictments and things.

01:15:19.780 You have a percentage of this population, whether you agree with them or not, that feel like they aren't being heard.

01:15:26.960 That their voice doesn't matter.

01:15:28.820 Okay.

01:15:28.980 That they're not being represented by their government.

01:15:32.420 That they're not cared for.

01:15:34.060 And, now, on top of that, you are going to declare them, essentially, terrorists.

01:15:41.500 Change the definition of insurrection.

01:15:44.460 Apply that to them.

01:15:46.100 And, persecute them.

01:15:47.800 So, it's like, and whoever is doing this needs to understand that, look, you can, a man that feels like he has nothing left, feels like he has nothing left to lose, right?

01:16:01.960 You can only push people so far.

01:16:04.600 I think they do know that.

01:16:06.700 And, that's the question.

01:16:08.020 Is that the point, you know?

01:16:10.060 And, it's, you know, where does it end?

01:16:14.000 I don't know.

01:16:14.460 So, this is why I say, I think the most important thing that we can do, when I was talking to your producer, he asked me, well, what does an individual do to try to help?

01:16:22.600 And, I got blindsided, because I didn't think there was anything.

01:16:27.600 But, I've been thinking about it and thinking about it.

01:16:29.220 And, the best that I can come up with is, like I said, just strengthen your community, you know?

01:16:34.000 Your small community.

01:16:35.660 Strengthen that.

01:16:36.660 Take that power away.

01:16:38.160 And, by all means, if you have to, and I'm not advocating for anything, but be ready to defend it, you know?

01:16:42.920 You know, yourself, your family, your community.

01:16:45.860 Yeah, not, I don't agree with saying, get them!

01:16:49.740 Right, no.

01:16:50.300 But, protect and defend.

01:16:53.120 Right.

01:16:53.460 Protect and defend.

01:16:54.660 Yep, strengthen your community and be ready to protect and defend it.

01:16:58.100 Oh, and I just got to say about January 6th real quick.

01:16:59.860 Of the few videos that I've seen on that, there's one where this guy's like a cameraman, but he's got a helmet on and a vest and stuff like that.

01:17:07.220 And, he's screaming at the other people, he's telling them, oh, you know, you guys better, telling the cops, you better be careful, this thing's going to explode.

01:17:13.680 I've been in a bunch of riots, this is like my 5th or 6th riot, this thing's going to get bad, it's going to get ugly.

01:17:18.800 So, how many riots have you been in?

01:17:20.560 I've not been in any.

01:17:21.380 I've never been in any either.

01:17:22.440 Like, how does this guy end up at 5 or 6 riots when he's 22 years old, unless you know about him ahead of time?

01:17:30.260 Which would fall under RICO Act, would it not?

01:17:32.480 I would think so, yes, and I'd like to look into how he afforded to get there, or how he could afford to get there.

01:17:39.660 Do you think, I mean, if I'm on the wrong side of this, and I'm high up in justice, I know what not to look for, because I know how the game's being played.

01:17:54.040 Yeah.

01:17:56.100 Last question.

01:17:57.080 Yes.

01:17:57.320 Donald Trump, most investigated person, I believe, in the history of the world, there isn't an, the five eyes all looked into him, at least.

01:18:08.720 China looked into every, Doug, Doug, Doug, Doug, Doug, every major institution in the media all around the world, Doug.

01:18:19.800 Every day.

01:18:21.180 Every day.

01:18:22.800 Hey, I've told him, I'm shocked.

01:18:25.760 I'm shocked.

01:18:26.640 I lived in New York City.

01:18:27.740 I watched how fast buildings went up.

01:18:30.040 I thought for sure there was going to be like, hey, so, you know, maybe we take care of some things, you know.

01:18:35.860 I really thought there would be something.

01:18:38.460 Right.

01:18:39.420 Nothing.

01:18:40.600 Nothing.

01:18:43.400 What, what is the plan here, do you think, watching the government?

01:18:49.340 The, they are rushing to a trial with 12 million documents that the defense has to go through.

01:18:59.480 It has to start in March.

01:19:01.140 The day before Super Tuesday, yesterday and the first day, they said, the prosecution said it'll take us at least four months.

01:19:10.720 The judge said it's going to be an eight-month trial, which takes you to the end of October.

01:19:16.180 Right.

01:19:17.140 The president will testify.

01:19:19.620 He has to be there.

01:19:21.440 So you got him there.

01:19:22.960 Then they're trying to take the 14th Amendment and say he was part of this insurrection.

01:19:30.680 And Colorado is now trying to take him off of the ballot.

01:19:35.060 And several, it won't be the last one.

01:19:36.840 For people who love democracy and are always standing up for, the vote's got to be heard.

01:19:45.600 I can't imagine how this works out well for anyone unless you're an agent of chaos.

01:19:54.520 Right.

01:19:55.040 Agreed.

01:19:55.320 I don't, I don't see how it does either unless it's, because like I say, that portion of the population, not only are you going to do all that to them and make them feel insignificant, unheard, unrepresented in their votes, don't count.

01:20:11.180 But now you're going to take away who they feel is the person that can change things for them.

01:20:17.660 All right.

01:20:18.560 And I think it's a powder keg.

01:20:21.900 And I think it has the potential to explode very ugly.

01:20:25.660 And I don't see anything good coming from it unless you're the agent of change.

01:20:32.380 Like, see what change you're trying to seek, I don't know.

01:20:34.780 Right.

01:20:35.220 Never seems to be clear.

01:20:36.320 Well, what I've thought about is, you know, if the whole indictments in different jurisdictions and the rush to trials, they're just trying to get him convicted of a felony to disbar him from being president.

01:20:46.300 Right.

01:20:46.700 And that in and of itself is horrible enough.

01:20:49.820 But, you know, if it's something even more grandiose, I don't know.

01:20:55.380 Like, this is a strange new world for me.

01:20:57.420 I know.

01:20:58.000 I've never seen anything like this.

01:20:59.120 And I'm trying to wrap my brain around events, you know, as they happen.

01:21:02.980 And remember, I'm just a little GS-13, so sometimes, yeah.

01:21:06.800 And I know we've talked speculation on a few things.

01:21:10.360 I can speculate on anything.

01:21:11.800 The one thing I didn't ask you about, and I don't know if you have an opinion.

01:21:15.760 I know you don't have any facts on it.

01:21:19.620 Come on.

01:21:20.180 Jeffrey Epstein was a spy of some sort, wasn't he?

01:21:23.420 I mean, weren't we engaged in?

01:21:25.000 I mean, that just seems like, you know, what we did to the Germans, you know, just get them on sex and... 0.98

01:21:32.920 You honey hole them. 1.00

01:21:33.640 Yeah, you honey hole them. 1.00

01:21:35.000 And you control everybody.

01:21:38.580 Yeah.

01:21:39.040 And nobody seems to even talk about his little black books.

01:21:46.460 Right.

01:21:46.880 Or the videotapes.

01:21:48.880 Who would have those?

01:21:50.700 Where should those be?

01:21:55.000 Oh, I don't even know.

01:21:56.800 They should be in whatever agency, I guess, officially handed his arrest.

01:22:01.400 Handled his arrest.

01:22:02.040 That was the Bureau, right?

01:22:02.720 Yeah, that was the FBI.

01:22:03.700 Yeah.

01:22:04.480 You know, they're very efficient in their evidence logging, you would think.

01:22:09.820 That's where they should be.

01:22:11.660 Yeah, the whole Epstein thing is a deep, dark hole that...

01:22:15.460 No pun intended.

01:22:17.580 But, you know, that I'm trying to understand and figure out.

01:22:20.460 It's not what's being reported.

01:22:21.960 It's not what it is on its face.

01:22:23.340 There's much more to it than that.

01:22:25.000 There has to be.

01:22:26.440 And I don't want to get Epstein for talking about it.

01:22:28.160 Right.

01:22:29.340 Yeah.

01:22:29.860 But I mean, what I'm curious on, the reason why I'm curious about the tapes and the book.

01:22:37.260 Hoover.

01:22:38.420 Right.

01:22:39.440 You have that information.

01:22:41.640 That information should not be in one person or a team of people's hands.

01:22:47.180 Right.

01:22:47.320 That is extraordinary power.

01:22:50.180 Right.

01:22:51.200 Any confidence that it's not being used?

01:22:57.480 Yeah, I have confidence that it's not being used and that the fact that the people that it hurts the most are in control of it.

01:23:03.480 Maybe that's the case why it's not being used.

01:23:05.860 I would almost argue that it would be a better state of the world if a Hoover-S FBI had it, right?

01:23:14.940 And leveraged it against everybody.

01:23:17.360 It would be better than the people that were directly involved having it by now, having access to it.

01:23:24.900 And then it's...

01:23:25.240 So that implies that people in the government were involved in that.

01:23:29.000 No.

01:23:29.180 I mean, I think so.

01:23:31.300 That's merely my opinion.

01:23:32.620 But I don't think that stuff happens with the names that have been floated around there without government involvement.

01:23:39.420 And again, it's the government.

01:23:41.000 It is so huge and it is so powerful and it has ultimately zero accountability.

01:23:45.700 American people think that there's accountability. 0.54

01:23:47.500 There is none.

01:23:48.280 There are so many black budgets and black projects.

01:23:50.480 And then even when there is a hearing, I used to think testifying before Congress was it.

01:23:55.600 That's a big deal.

01:23:56.300 Because I remember the whole Ali North moment, you know, going up, that that was the end-all, be-all. 1.00

01:24:00.520 And then you get to a congressional investigation, having to find myself in one, and ultimately, you know, they try.

01:24:09.660 But they did their best.

01:24:11.720 But there's no enforcement.

01:24:12.940 There's no teeth in that bar. 0.73

01:24:15.160 And, you know, I used to tell people when I arrested them, you know, trying to get a statement.

01:24:22.440 Look, it's a rigged ballgame.

01:24:23.820 By the time you see me, my case is done.

01:24:25.840 All right?

01:24:26.100 I've already got you.

01:24:27.400 I've got all the evidence I need.

01:24:28.720 I don't need you to say anything.

01:24:30.240 Okay?

01:24:31.220 It's fixed.

01:24:31.820 In the aspect of, not that I did anything wrong, but it's I've done my job and I've done it well.

01:24:37.280 All right?

01:24:37.560 I'm not one of those agencies or cops that comes here and says, oh, you know, it's not TV where I got to break them.

01:24:42.940 It's got to be a confession.

01:24:44.480 It's my job is done.

01:24:46.180 And it's already, it's fixed.

01:24:48.520 But now you realize, oh, the entire government is a rigged ballgame.

01:24:53.340 Like, it's fixed.

01:24:54.360 It's the image of checks and balances anymore.

01:24:58.740 When in reality, it's all looking out for itself.

01:25:02.520 It's so parasitically infested with, you know, different interests and lobbyists and industry.

01:25:11.200 I know it took us a long time to get there, but when you were first getting in, do you think it was as bad as it is now?

01:25:18.880 Well, see, that's a good question.

01:25:19.840 And I don't know the answer to that.

01:25:21.240 All I can tell you is my stupidity or naivete was so much back then that I didn't pay attention.

01:25:29.200 And that's what I would like to do more than anything is to get people to pay attention, start paying attention, you know, start asking yourselves, hey, wait a minute, this is what I'm ordered to do.

01:25:39.660 Should I do this?

01:25:41.340 Like, is this the right thing?

01:25:43.220 Is this serving and protecting, especially cops and agents, you know, and then military and every, every facet of society.

01:25:50.180 Right.

01:25:50.460 Ask yourselves, read the Constitution, read the oath of office that your, you know, federal employees that are sworn have to take and see if they're abiding by it.

01:25:58.800 Right.

01:25:59.460 Hold them accountable if they're not.

01:26:02.080 Know what it is.

01:26:02.820 Know what the Constitution says.

01:26:04.760 Know the reasons for the Declaration of Independence.

01:26:07.500 They lay it out in there pretty clearly.

01:26:10.540 I know I said last question, two questions ago, but I have to ask you, 5USC3331, your T-shirt, what is that?

01:26:20.380 That is the U.S. code section that codifies the oath of office for federal agents and federal employees that are sworn.

01:26:26.460 So if you are not protecting and defending your violation of that code.

01:26:34.800 Yep.

01:26:35.540 And I encourage anyone to look it up and to read it, to know it, and hold those people that are held to that oath, that are under that oath, accountable to it.

01:26:44.100 And I encourage the people that have taken that oath to take it seriously.

01:26:47.960 It means something.

01:26:49.380 All right?

01:26:50.820 Thank you.

01:26:51.760 No, thank you.

01:26:52.360 I appreciate the time.

01:26:58.820 Just a reminder, I'd love you to rate and subscribe to the podcast and pass this on to a friend so it can be discovered by other people.

01:27:06.100 Thank you.

01:27:22.360 Thank you.

The Glenn Beck Program - September 09, 2023

Ep 193 ｜ ATF Agent's CHILLING Warning： 'You CANNOT Trust Your Government' ｜ John Dodson ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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