Ep 195 ｜ 'The Deep State Won't Give Its Power Back Willingly' ｜ Ron DeSantis ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast
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Summary
Ron DeSantis was elected Governor of Florida by the skin of his teeth, and for vulnerable politicians entering some of the most powerful positions in the country, this was not one of the best times to be assuming office. In 2018, he was reelected with the largest gubernatorial margin in the history of Florida, or at least for the last 40 years.
Transcript
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Leading up to the 2024 election, I am devoting a series of episodes of the Glenn Beck podcast to
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conversations with presidential candidates. My job is not to help or hurt any candidate.
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There is no agenda except to ask honest, fair, and vital questions. We need candidates to be
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crystal clear about who they are and what they stand for. America has a very tough decision to
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make. These are essential conversations that you won't hear on a debate stage. In 2018, Ron DeSantis
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was elected governor of Florida by the skin of his teeth and for vulnerable politicians entering some
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of the most powerful positions in the country. This was not one of the best times to be assuming
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office. COVID-19 arrived and it proved to be one of the biggest tests of American liberty that we have
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ever faced, at least in my lifetime. Many people in public office failed that test. This man did not.
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After the pandemic dust cloud dissipated, Governor DeSantis all but destroyed the Democratic Party
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in Florida. He was reelected with over 59 percent of the vote. That's the largest gubernatorial margin
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victory in the history of Florida, or at least for the last 40 years. Ron DeSantis, his track record
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is clear. His results delivered. But will that translate to the federal level? The next Republican
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president has not just have to have the ability to fight with not only Democrats, but also some
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Republicans and a weaponized government that has been unleashed on ordinary citizens as well as the
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former president. They need to have the ability to effectively operate in that arena, but also have
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the charisma to unite America behind them if it can be done. Can DeSantis do that? You will decide.
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Now, welcome, Governor Ron DeSantis. All right, before we get to the podcast, sometimes it seems
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like there's a running battle between cybercriminals and the government to see who could steal the most
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from people. Usually, I mean, you know, they're out. They're outgunned, the cybercriminals. The
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government usually wins all of the time, but the competition is fierce. Take home title theft,
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for instance. One of the fastest growing crimes in America right now, and there's a very
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good reason for that. It turns out the most most victims of home title theft don't even know
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they're a victim until it's way too late and the criminal's already gone. This happens over and
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over and over in America, and it's not hard to do. I don't want to tell you how to do it because
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I mean, you might be a criminal. How do I know? All they have to do is just get a copy of your title,
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sign it over to them, and their house is yours. And then they take out a giant loan
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because they have the title free and clear, and they take out a giant loan in your name,
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and then you're stuck with it, and they repossess the house, and you really lose.
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HomeTitleLock. Governor, how are you? I'm good. How are you doing?
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Very good. So it seems to me the Republican Party always likes to fight the fight they can win.
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I think it's more important to fight the fight that needs to be fought and let the chips fall
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where they may. Where are you? I agree. I mean, I think you run. Republicans have run saying they're
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going to do all these things for so many years. Never do it. And then what ends up happening?
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Not only do they not do it, they don't even actually try because they say we can't do it.
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Right. And our voters, and look, I'm one of these people watching this. We understand.
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Man, like if you fight the fight, you don't always win. But man, we want to see a fight
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and we want to see that. And the results, I think, I think it's typically just fail your
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theater. And that's what we've become accustomed to. And that's not the way you do it. I tell
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you, just our experience in Florida, when you do what you say you're going to do and you
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deliver, man, people come out for you like gangbusters. Right. I mean, it is. And it's not
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just like playing the one faction of the party. I got 97% of registered Republicans to vote
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for me in my reelection as governor, which is a record. I mean, that's almost unheard
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of that you would do that. People appreciate if you're willing to fight for them. And if
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you show you're willing to fight for them, not only do they come out and vote for you,
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they'll trust you on other issues as they come down the pike because they know you got
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So let's say you're president of the United States and we're at a budget impasse like we
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are once again. First, talk to Congress. They don't have, let's just say they don't, they
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have a democratic Senate. Talk to Congress and talk to them about government shutdown,
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Well, we hear a lot of talk about government shutdown, but what I would tell them is what
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you have done with the debt and the borrowing and the spending, you've shut down the American
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dream for millions of people in this country. You want to know why gas and groceries and home
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prices and all this, why has that ballooned to where people that are doing everything right,
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these are people that are working hard, trying to raise their families. The American dream has
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slipped away from them. That is happening because of what business as usual in Washington
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has brought to them. So if you want to continue on the status quo, you are saying that you are
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committed to shutting down opportunity and continuing to shut down the American dream for
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people. So we have to do a different way. We just cannot possibly go in this direction. And I think
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people realize that what's happened in Washington is now the, is the cause of all the problems that
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they've had. So the people that are defending the status quo, they're the ones that have caused the
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problem. Wouldn't you want to change when you see all the, all the trouble you've put so many people
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through, uh, how, how people are now struggling more than they have probably in my whole adult
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lifetime, uh, just to do the necessities of life. JFK changed, uh, it was a different kind of president.
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It was a new generation coming in, um, after a bunch of people that were world war II era. Um,
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and a new generation came in and he did something after the election that I think is part of the
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Camelot myth. And that is we're going there, we're going to the moon and we're going to return men back
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from the moon and we're going to do it in a decade. Except for Ronald Reagan, Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this
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wall. I haven't seen anyone say, here's the big idea. Let's completely think differently. What's
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your big idea? A country that's no longer on the decline, but is on the ascent again. And we've seen
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what that looks like in the past. We've also been through times where people said you couldn't do
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well. People had to just accept that we're going to be in decline. Like in the 1970s, Ronald Reagan said,
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no, that is not acceptable. We are going to do better. I think we're in a similar malaise. Now
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people are being told that this is the best you can do. Heck Biden's basic program is telling people
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be happy, uh, that your standard of living is going down. Uh, we don't have to accept that. I mean,
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we can reverse that decline. Uh, and so I try to think of like, what would, what does America look
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like in 2033 when the new, the new president takes over after eight years? Um, you will have,
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you know, strong enforceable borders. That crisis will be over and the Mexican drug cartels will be
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in tatters. You will have middle income families that when they're working hard, they will get
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ahead, uh, in the United States of America. Again, you will have woke ideology and the dustbin of
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history where it belongs. You'll have a military that is focusing on mission first, uh, and that is
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deterring threats from people in countries like China, which are on the course now to ending up in a war
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with China, that they will win and that will affect every American's life. And then we will have a
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government, uh, that is run by we, the people, not a fourth branch of government that imposes its will
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on us. We will bring the administrative state to heal. One of the things that the Democrats have used, um,
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quite well is global warming. Um, I mean, you know, I can see a thermometer, but, uh, I, uh, I,
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all of the ideas on how to solve things just seems ridiculous. We're gutting our own country by doing
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this, but the idea again is big, no more fossil fuels, no more. We're going to have new, you know,
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futuristic electric cars. Wow. Tell me, tell me why that's dangerous or misguided.
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Well, think about it. Energy is why we've brought people out of poverty more than any single thing,
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because you can have capital. You can have all the things we have. If we didn't have reliable and
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abundant energy, uh, you would have many, many hundreds of millions, maybe billions more people
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that would be in poverty. The best way to lift up people out of poverty who are in and other parts of
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the world is reliable energy. We have an abundance of that here. Uh, I was just in Midland, Texas. We did our
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energy rollout. Uh, our mantra is we want the United States to be energy dominant. Why would we want
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that? Well, it's good for consumers. Americans can go and get gas for $2 instead of $4. And I think it's
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going to go a lot higher than four. Unfortunately, uh, businesses will thrive. It affects everything we
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buy in terms of the prices. So it gives people relief jobs, industrial base, national security,
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though. This is the one thing that we have that would give us an advantage over China, Russia,
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Iran, Venezuela, you name it. This is the closest thing to a silver bullet that we have. And here's
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what I would say about the carbon emission issue. Florida, we've seen a massive reduction in carbon
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emissions. Did we do green mandates? No, we didn't do any of that. Well, how did that happen? You had
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retrofitting from coal to natural gas for a lot of power generation. Natural gas is a lot cleaner,
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massive reduction. We're talking about shooting ourselves in the foot, basically talking about
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even having like these massive semi, uh, trucks have to be electric, like from the port of
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California. They're going to have to charge 12 hours and they go 300 miles. Really? Are we going
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to go down that road? It will be very disruptive to the economy. Uh, but, but here's the thing.
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Biden wants to force you in an EV. Uh, I don't think that that should be done. We're going to save
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the American automobile, but where do you get the stuff to do the EVs right now? It's from China.
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They're mining all the things that go into that, that are critical. So, and that's for the
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foreseeable future for the foreseeable future. So Biden's knowingly do that. Now I don't believe
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in an EV mandates, but if you believe that, why would you not want to produce that here? We
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actually have reserves here and he takes it off market. He doesn't let people go do it. So he's
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intentionally making us more dependent on China. He's intentionally helping Iran, Russia, and these
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other countries. Uh, this could be, uh, the thing that really tilts the national security posture
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in our favor. Our mantra yesterday when we did the speech in Midland was, I want Midland over Moscow.
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I want the Marcellus over the Mullahs and I want Bakken over Beijing. If we fall down on all the,
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and go in that direction, we're going to be a more secure country. And on final, final thought,
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because this is the developing world. You cannot consign them to poverty for what never ending
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poverty. So they need energy. So how are they going to get that? Most likely is going to be coal.
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Uh, and so if you were to take the natural gas we have in the Marcellus shale and you export that
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all around the world, we have enough gas there. We, we could, we would never need energy again for a
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hundred generator. I mean, there's so much there. You would be able to pull these people out of
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poverty and the global emissions would actually go down as a result of doing that. They don't want
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to do that. In fact, they fought us in Florida. When we've gone from coal to gas, the environmentalists
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say you just can't do it at all. And they also oppose nuclear. So if you want no emissions,
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wouldn't you want nuclear? No, no, no. They don't want to do that. So windmills and solar and all that.
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I'm fine. If people want to do that, I wouldn't subsidize it, but I tell you, when we have a hurricane
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come through Florida and I need to get the lights on, I can't rely on windmills. I need oil and gas.
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Um, let's talk about nuclear for just a second. We now can make safe, small nuclear plants. Um,
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but we just will not go down that road. We can make hydrogen at night when instead of turning the
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power down on the plant, it can run 24 hours a day. You'd have all the supply of hydrogen also purely
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clean. Any chance that that ever happens? If you're a president, I think, no, I think, I think,
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I think they, so we're going to clear the pathway for nuclear. There's a lot of problems that
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government throws in the way of nuclear. So we're going to, we're going to clear that.
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But I think the fact that there's resistance from the, from the global warming people shows
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they're operating in, in religion. This is, this is their fighting faith. Now it's not necessarily
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something where they're going to be willing to kind of just see the light. They, they, they're
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committed to this and they're going to do it. So yes, we're, we're going to pursue that. I think
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it would be good. I do think it, I think it would be, it's not as economical now because of the,
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the cost and the time horizon. We can help with that. Um, I do think that, uh, natural gas, you
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know, maybe more economical, all things considered, but we'll see, but they should have the opportunity
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to compete. Well, the government has made it. So if you have a coal fire plant, you're not going to be
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able to afford to do a coal fire plant. So they're asking you to not only take it offline,
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but dismantle it. And then they will give you subsidies once you've dismantled it for a hundred,
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I think it's 110 or 150% of what you were going to make. But oh, by the way, they're telling you,
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you need an electric car. And so they're taking off the reliability off the electric grid. So when
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you go to plug into your electric car, uh, you're not going to have the power necessary to be able to
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do it. Do we even have the infrastructure, the power lines? Not right now for, for, for EV. If
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you did all these EVs, no way you would know we're going to do, we're going to increase grid
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reliability. We're going to do some stuff when I get in, but not right now you wouldn't. I mean,
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Gavin Newsom in California, they, they announced all new cars are by a certain date, relatively soon
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must be electric in the state of California. Then two days later, they said all EV owners don't plug
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in your EV because we don't have enough power to get the job done. So yeah, it, it, it, they will
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produce massive crises in this country. When you start, I mean, we, I learned this, I learned this
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with the, with the hurricane stuff because like we had hurricane Ian, hit cat five, major storm,
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you know, it, it did a lot of destruction, but even in a situation like that, in a big area like
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Southwest Florida, the vast majority of people didn't lose their home, didn't necessarily suffer
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significant damage where they couldn't get back in their homes, obviously didn't suffer personal
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damage, which is great. So if you're at that power for a month, then all of a sudden, everything just
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starts to go to hell. You get the power back on quickly, which we had the quickest restoration.
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All of a sudden, everything else goes smoother. You can help the people in need the most and all that.
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So just imagine blackouts, these rolling blackouts to just be part of American life. It would cause
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major, major problems. Maybe that's what they want, but it's going to be a disaster.
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Maybe that's what they want. All right. I got up this morning and I was beside myself
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because I saw that the president told the border patrol to go down and cut the razor wire at Eagle
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Pass. There were, I think it was four or 7,000 Venezuelans on the other side of the river and 14,000
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behind them. Honestly, I said to Ken Paxton, our attorney general just today, when is Texas going to
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behave like Texas? When are these states going to say enough is enough? What is that point and what
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Well, I can tell you when I'm president, we've already said we are going to unleash the states.
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They're going to be equal partners with enforcing immigration law. If someone comes across the
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river illegally into Texas, Texas should be able to send them back. Why do we need to end up in
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this big process where people are going to court and all this other stuff? It's absurd. So they
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should be able to do it. I think that the reality is, is that if they, if they did more, they would
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absolutely face DOJ and all this other stuff. Now I still think they should do it. Don't get me wrong,
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but we'll be an administration that's going to work hand in hand with the states to be able to
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secure our country. They're a force multiplier for the federal government. People say it's the sole
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federal responsibility. Yeah. A state can't do something like if we have strong border policy,
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it can't, a state can't let people in illegally, of course, but if we have a policy and it's not
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being enforced fully, why should the states not do it? They should absolutely be able to enforce the
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law and we'll make that happen. Just the first two years of the Biden administration, just the first
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two years, he has allowed in a population that is bigger than 15 of our United States. Three states
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combined in one case. Um, and that's not counting what's coming in this year. Just, uh, this last
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month it came in, uh, the official numbers aren't in, but it's projected to be 230,000 people
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coming across our border. We're averaging 9,000 per day averaging. I know it's more than that on some
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days. How much before, I mean, New York, man, I could punch those people in the face. They're now
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saying, but we can't survive. Try being Texas or Arizona or even New Mexico. Um, how long before
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we have irreparable harm done where you have population in your country that is as big as a big
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state and they're not part of your culture? Well, when I, when I get in, they're all going back. I mean,
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that's the easiest. How are you going to do that? Well, you know, they've been given court dates.
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They have paper. So you now have these people. Biden is registering these people. A lot of them
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are registering with the federal government before they cross the border saying, Hey, I'm coming
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illegally. I'm going to go on this app and fill out. It's insane. So we'll use that to do, because
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I think it's important that that's done. You can't, I want a wall. I want all that. But if you aren't
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going to have a sanction for coming illegally, then you're going to continue to deal with this problem
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one way or another. So, so that will be a sanction, you know, that we're going to enforce. It hasn't
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been enforced really for many, many decades, probably all the way back to Eisenhower to where
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we really had it, had it strong. So we're going to do that. You have to establish that. We'll work
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with Texas. We'll work with Arizona, whoever wants to help us to be able to get that job done. But it
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is already done incalculable damage. If you think about, because we did the illegals to Martha's Vineyard
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last year and you know, the Martha's Vineyard, they actually had an office in their downtown
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that was purported to be a refugee welcome center saying nobody's illegal. I was welcome. Now they
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had never actually used it. So these 50 show up and they, they, they freak out. They call them the
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national guard. They deport them off the Island, all this other stuff. And it was just like, you know,
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he was like, you gotta be kidding me with this. So just with that, you know, they said in the,
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one of the wealthiest enclaves off season, they had a lot of housing. They had all of that there.
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But the thing was, was people thought, oh, it's going to hurt him in reelection because he's got
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the Venezuelan Americans down in South Florida. They're going to be mad. And well, guess what?
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I go down next time I was in South Florida, I got guys coming up to me, high-fiving me like we're
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Venezuelan. Thanks for doing it because they're concerned about Maduro emptying prisons and sending
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people to the border. And I think other countries in Latin and South America are doing it. So you
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end up having people, we don't know who they are. There's Russians coming in across the border.
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There's Iranians coming across. There's Chinese coming across. I look at it and say, is there
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any way possible that we don't have a terrorist attack in the future that can be linked to somebody
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across the border? No, not a chance. Of course it's going to happen. Of course it is. So it's already
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been incalculable. We'll do a big repatriation and then stop the insane policies. Like, yeah,
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we'll do the wall, but you shouldn't even entertain these claims or you're giving them a court date
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three years. Just have them wait on the other side of the border. That's what we got to do.
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Do you remember back in the day when you do all the normal things you wanted to do in a day without
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feeling like you were entirely made out of broken glass? I'm back to that place. I had so much
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pain in my hands that I couldn't, uh, I couldn't write and hold a pencil for long. I couldn't paint
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anymore. It's gotten so good for me now that I actually, um, am learning to play the piano,
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which I would have never been able to do. Of course, I may not be able to do that even now,
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but it's Lisa's only cause because I have fat fingers and I'm not very coordinated, but at least
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I'm not in pain. Please try relief factor. It got me out of pain. Maybe it'll do the same for you.
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Uh, three week, quick start trial. You just try this for three weeks. If it's not working for you,
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probably not going to, but you'll be out 1999 or 1995. But if it works for you, like it did for me,
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you get your life back. It's relieffactor.com 800, the number four relief. What's the most
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destructive thing? What's your day one? You put in an exec, I'm not a fan of executive orders, but
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day one, you put in an executive order or you take them off the table. What's the one you say
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first thing? Well, it'll be, we'll do, uh, we'll do a lot in the first day, but, uh, we will do,
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uh, declare the border, a national emergency that will unlock resources for us. We'll do the
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mobilization of the military and that'll happen. Uh, and that plan will be implemented on day one.
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We'll also do things. And we're going to take all of Biden's EOs, particularly on the economy,
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throw those in the trash can so we can get America moving again. And there'll be a whole host of a,
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we're going to nick CBDC on day one, central bank, digital currency, not going to happen under my
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watch. So there'll be a bunch of things, but I think that border, um, that's a core attribute of
00:23:30.200
sovereignty. You're either a country or you're not. And we've got to get that one right. So
00:23:35.460
that'll be, you know, 1230 or whenever you're done, given the speech, you're going to have to
00:23:39.520
sign that one in. So there are, um, there's lots of things. I mean, this is core tenant.
00:23:45.420
Let me ask you some, can a man become a woman? No, how ridiculous that we're even asking that
00:23:52.800
question. And, you know, sometimes people will knock me because they'll say that he's talking about
00:23:58.240
woke and you shouldn't worry about like, like people say, who cares about it? Right? Look,
00:24:02.840
society needs to be grounded in truth. And if you're telling me a man can get pregnant and you're
00:24:07.660
telling me a man can become a woman, that is not true. Uh, and I'm not going to accept that as true.
00:24:12.440
And I'm not going to be complicit in a lie. And if our society is built on a mountain of lies,
00:24:17.460
uh, even on those issues, which maybe some people don't care as much about, uh, how are you going to
00:24:22.700
have a situation where you're going to have, uh, get things right. So being rooted in truth,
00:24:27.320
the truth will set you free is very, very important. And we've gone off the rails.
00:24:31.700
I think it gives us an opportunity though, to start bringing people into the fold on our side
00:24:36.680
who are like, you know what? Uh, I may have been a D or I may have been an independent,
00:24:40.700
but this is insane. Like we can't have, they don't want their kids going to kindergarten,
00:24:45.180
being told that they can switch genders. Now in Florida, that's not allowed, but in other parts
00:24:49.620
of the country that is happening. People don't want that. And I think in Florida, what we showed with,
00:24:55.100
with, with our big reelection, um, you know, I was running around the state saying this state is
00:24:59.200
where woke goes to die. And we ended up winning places like Miami Dade by double digits, which had
00:25:04.660
been a blue area because, you know, I think particularly blue collar people, uh, they want
00:25:09.900
the madness to end. Yeah. I, I, I, I can't put my arms around, for instance, on this kind of stuff.
00:25:17.660
If I would have said those things, a man can get pregnant. Well, can a man get pregnant? No, no. So,
00:25:23.280
uh, if you would have said those things five years ago, the left would have laughed at you.
00:25:29.800
Yeah. And now five years later with no new information, no new science, nothing.
00:25:36.080
There's still, I just read a story yesterday in the paper that the, uh, uh, the stone hedge
00:25:44.900
was built by, uh, black skinned, uh, humans, you know, 10,000 years ago or whenever it was,
00:25:54.340
I, I, I don't know how, you know what color their skin was, but they said they based that
00:26:00.900
on a skeleton of a male. And my first thought was, how do you know that was a male? How do you know
00:26:08.560
that was a male? I mean, well, look, I mean, I mean, I think the thing is too, is like, you know,
00:26:13.660
you may have somebody who's virtue signaling on social media about that, but you will have the CDC
00:26:18.540
will put out guidance for pregnant people. Uh, they are doing that. This is, this is supposedly
00:26:24.760
the top medical, uh, agency in the United States. Uh, and they can't even acknowledge that women are
00:26:31.560
the ones that get pregnant and it's not pregnant people, but they will use that. So we live in an
00:26:35.760
upside down world right now. So help me out on, on this. Cause I, I mean, you know, I, I, I have my
00:26:43.840
own briefing every day and I'm watching things, uh, all over the world and every day that goes by,
00:26:50.820
especially this last week has been extraordinarily difficult. Um, I see things that most people
00:26:57.520
aren't paying attention to. Like for instance, I don't know if anybody's heard the story that
00:27:02.420
yesterday in Virginia, do you remember that family that came over from Germany in 2013 because they
00:27:09.540
wanted to teach their kids about God in their homeschool and Germany said, no, they moved here.
00:27:15.020
They've been fine. They're good, solid citizens, everything. Biden administration yesterday
00:27:21.480
notified them that they have to go back to Germany. And I thought with everything that is going on in
00:27:28.340
the world, okay, you're the whole thing is on fire. And yet you have enough people and enough money
00:27:36.220
and enough foresight to say, yeah, but you remember those people from Germany,
00:27:43.380
let's put the screws to them. They, it's not just what they, we know they're doing.
00:27:51.380
They are laying traps and booby traps everywhere, everywhere. How do you possibly root that out?
00:28:00.140
Well, you can't cede every institution in American life to the left. And I think what the right has done
00:28:06.280
is we'll try to win like a policy victory. And I'm not saying those aren't important, but ultimately
00:28:11.100
that's superficial. And so, and you know, and I try to think like layers deep people complain
00:28:16.040
sometimes about liberal professors. Yeah, of course, but that liberal professor didn't just
00:28:20.420
get there. Uh, there's layers to that going all the way back to how universities are accredited.
00:28:25.500
So in Florida, what we've done is, is we're fighting on all the, at the institutional level.
00:28:30.380
We've, we've gone after the Biden administration on the accreditation cartel. We're going to change
00:28:35.120
that when I get in to say, you know what, you can be accredited without having DEI. You can be
00:28:41.040
accredited without having gender studies. Fact, we're only going to credit you. Uh, if you, if
00:28:46.380
you're a classical, uh, university, the, the way you supposed to be, we've put people on the board
00:28:51.600
of trustees at our university. I have a liberal arts college called new college in Sarasota.
00:28:58.560
Well, it was like left of the left, almost like a Marxist commune. And some of the people
00:29:03.980
in the legislature had wanted to shut it down. And I'm like, that's fine with me. They didn't
00:29:06.660
have the votes. I'm like, all right, we got to do something about it. So we put on a bunch
00:29:09.240
of conservative trustees, including Christopher Rufo from the Manhattan Institute. They came
00:29:13.480
in, fired the president, hired a conservative president, eliminated CRT, gender ideology, abolished
00:29:19.840
the gender studies department and said, we are going to change the mission of this university.
00:29:24.120
The mission is we're going to be the top liberal publicly funded liberal arts college dedicated to
00:29:29.920
classical curriculum, like a Hillsdale college in Michigan. So what's happened is some of the
00:29:35.640
professors have left. Many other professors have wanted to come. The media will sometimes say,
00:29:40.700
Oh, there's a brain drain going on. Cause they'll profile some professors leaving. And I'm like,
00:29:43.960
wait a minute. If a professor of Marxist studies is leaving Florida, is that a drain?
00:29:50.700
I think it's pretty good. So we're doing that. So we're, we're changing that.
00:29:53.680
At the institutional level. And here's the thing. I have parents across the country that want to
00:29:59.520
send their kids now because there's a hunger for institutions that haven't been corrupted by
00:30:04.820
ideology. Why doesn't the Republican party nationally get this stuff? Because you have to,
00:30:12.240
you will face blowback when you do it. I mean, you know how many like nasty, you know how many nasty
00:30:17.640
grams I get in like the New York times just on the new college alone. Now I don't care. I've got big,
00:30:22.620
I don't even read this stuff, but a lot of them, you know, they don't want to be hit
00:30:26.920
by the media. And so the media effectively exercises a veto over them doing what they,
00:30:33.760
what they, what should be done. I don't let that happen. I mean, we go full steam ahead.
00:30:37.880
I view the blowback as positive feedback, meaning I must be over the target. Otherwise they'd be
00:30:42.600
ignoring me. But that's the thing when you have these fights. So when we eliminated critical race
00:30:47.400
theory, why haven't more Republicans stepped up to do it? Because what is the left going to do
00:30:51.720
when you go after CRT? They are going to call you a racist, right? They don't like to be called that.
00:30:56.880
And what I said is, you know what? I have the confidence to be able to let people know what
00:31:00.880
I actually did, let them know what we're trying to fight against and let the chips fall where they
00:31:05.880
may. And you know what? People sided with me. Same thing with the Disney fight over the gender
00:31:10.720
ideology. You know, you have the, the, the transgenderism and first, second grade. I mean,
00:31:14.740
it's insane, but people in the Republican party are like, well, we don't, we don't mess around
00:31:19.600
with business. You know, it's kind of like a chamber of commerce view as to like corporations
00:31:24.080
can just do whatever they want. Really? They're allowed to mobilize subsidies that they'd have
00:31:29.160
inherited from Florida against our parents and our policies. Not on my watch, we're going to fight
00:31:33.580
back. But you know, that demonstrate that, that, that, that creates friction. So I think a lot of times
00:31:37.760
it's just the path of least resistance. If you get into office as a Republican, you cut a few taxes,
00:31:42.820
you know, you, you, you may pair back some regulations, you know, maybe do one or other
00:31:47.640
two things. You can kind of do that. And maybe you don't face the fire. If you start getting in at
00:31:52.560
the institutional level where the left sees that they're losing control, they fight back and they
00:31:57.640
fight back hard. And you just got to have the spine to stand there, do what's right, take the fire
00:32:02.360
and keep on going forward. And that's what we've done in Florida. And it goes so deep. I mean,
00:32:06.960
I think we all know the education has been a problem. Medical profession, the corruption of
00:32:12.360
the, of the medical profession. We had to fight all these people to ban the surgeries, the gender
00:32:18.800
surgeries for the minors. There was no evidence that this was appropriate. European countries like
00:32:25.840
Sweden had, had reverse course. And they said, no, we'd bring in people like Chloe Cole who went
00:32:30.640
through it and now she got sterilized. And she says, it's this massive regret and it was wrong.
00:32:35.420
And yet they just plow forward with ideology. Uh, and so that's the things that, that you got to
00:32:41.120
fight. I mean, I think though, that people have seen the elites and all these institutions fail us
00:32:46.820
so many times deceive us that there's no trust in any, in any of these institutions. I mean,
00:32:52.400
what percentage of Americans, you know, trust the, the CDC, probably not very many. I did an interview
00:32:58.000
on ABC yesterday and, um, you know, the interviewer was, was hitting me on kind of, uh, are the,
00:33:03.920
we're the only state would have said, we don't recommend you take the booster, this new Biden
00:33:07.980
booster for, for the under 65. Um, because not enough data, no evidence of benefit and obviously
00:33:14.640
unclear about harm. Right. And we're the only state willing to do that because they attack you for it.
00:33:18.780
And I said, and I, and I said, look, they haven't proven this as a benefit. And she said, well, CDC
00:33:23.100
says it's a benefit. And I'm like, what about CDC's track record these last few years? Are we really
00:33:28.340
just going to cite them as an authority at this point? No, you'd be better off doing the opposite,
00:33:32.760
given how wrong they were about lockdowns, mass school closures, all these other things. So
00:33:37.460
the fight that we deal with the left is not just about whatever may happen in Congress or state
00:33:42.880
legislation. Those are important fights, you know, the taxes, all this stuff, but, but it is at an
00:33:47.160
institutional level. And as leftist ideology overtakes institutions in our society, those institutions
00:33:53.680
corrode and society starts to decay. That's why San Francisco is like a city that, that is a post
00:34:00.580
war almost. I mean, I went there a couple of months ago and you hear the stories and I would talk about
00:34:06.280
this, you know, in the campaign trail, but you actually see somebody defecating on the sidewalk.
00:34:11.260
You see the drug use happening. You see people get mugged and nothing happens that's going on.
00:34:16.100
And who would have thought that would have been acceptable in America, even five or 10 years ago?
00:34:20.080
The problem that, um, people might have with you coming from a governorship running against a guy
00:34:28.800
who's already seen the deep state, um, you're coming in, you don't have in Florida, the problem with
00:34:36.280
the NSA CIA and five eyes and everything else that are all pretty much in lockstep. We know now that
00:34:44.860
the CIA actually bribed, I think it's six of their experts out of seven bribed them to say,
00:34:55.500
no, this didn't come from Wuhan. This didn't come from the lab. Six out of the seven said it was lab.
00:35:01.900
One said it was natural. The CIA, for some reason, bribed them. You, you have, I mean,
00:35:10.560
I'm reading this book about JFK and the assassination and, and it's not making the
00:35:16.680
connection to the assassination, but it is talking about how tough he was coming in on the military
00:35:24.420
industrial complex. Uh, the way we were fighting the cold war, he disagreed with it and he told
00:35:30.260
everybody and, um, you know, he didn't, he didn't fare well. Well, listen, um, what I'd say is a
00:35:37.760
couple of things. I mean, you know, we've staked out positions. I mean, for example, the former
00:35:41.780
president said the jury's still out on Christopher Wray as FBI director. For me, it's not still out.
00:35:46.220
He's gone on day one. That's a guarantee. Uh, we will have a new director of the FBI. We will also
00:35:51.460
use our authorities, uh, to hold people accountable, particularly in the national security sphere. I
00:35:57.400
mean, I'm not, I don't, uh, concede that the president can't fire people in the civil service. I think
00:36:03.660
you can, I think you got to be smart about how you do it. Uh, but certainly in the national security
00:36:08.140
realm, everyone acknowledges there's broad authority there. You've got to be willing to
00:36:11.880
take action. You've got to have people that are going to go in there, um, who are not going to
00:36:16.260
be co-opted by what's going on. And that is really, you got to be smart all that, but you just got to
00:36:21.440
have that backbone because you know, if you go in there, the buzzsaw is coming after you. Uh, the media
00:36:26.620
is going to come after you. The bureaucracy is going to come after you. But here's the thing.
00:36:30.140
Do we govern ourselves or not? And if we govern ourselves, then we can't take it anymore. Uh,
00:36:37.600
we've got to change the way things are going. We can't have a fourth branch of government, uh,
00:36:43.000
that acts really regardless of the outcome of elections. And, um, and so we're either going
00:36:48.340
to step up and do the job, um, or we're not going to do the job. You know, I've been active duty
00:36:52.400
military. I've dealt with all these agencies on the ground level. Uh, I was a U S congressman,
00:36:57.140
was the, uh, national security subcommittee chairman. I did oversight over them. So I've
00:37:01.020
got a good idea, um, you know, of kind of what we're, what we're walking into and we will have
00:37:05.320
a good plan on day one because you can't wait. You got to be ready day one, all your people got
00:37:09.700
to be lined up, all the executive orders you're going to do. Everything's got to be ready to go
00:37:14.220
and you do. Have you done that? So we have, um, I would say we probably have probably about half
00:37:20.100
of what we would do in terms of broad executive orders. We're going to do more as the years go on,
00:37:24.680
of course. And then we are going to be doing the personnel, not just like who your attorney
00:37:29.860
general is. That's obviously important, but you need two or three levels down in all these areas.
00:37:34.400
We're going to do that. And then we're going to be rolling out our, uh, kind of way to, uh,
00:37:38.440
slay the administrative state. I've talked about it a little bit, but we're going to put it out,
00:37:42.020
um, and do an event where we kind of list all the different levers that are available
00:37:46.020
for you to push. There are levers. Now, look, they're going to fight back. They're going to sue you.
00:37:50.760
It's not like everyone's just going to lay down, but there are a lot of levers that Republican
00:37:54.880
presidents have not been willing to push, uh, because I think a lot of them come in thinking
00:37:59.900
that they can win these people over, uh, or hope that they can win these people over. And you can't,
00:38:04.660
you just got to understand that they have accumulated power. They're not going to give
00:38:08.440
it back willingly. And what's happening in terms of the weaponization of this federal power,
00:38:13.600
the founding fathers would have predicted this. When you have power accumulate without
00:38:18.040
constitutional accountability, human nature being what it is, they are going to abuse
00:38:23.380
their power. That's just the reality. So we've got to bring the constitutional accountability back.
00:38:29.560
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00:39:53.420
No, sorry. With George W. Bush 2004. And he was trying to make me feel better about things. You
00:40:02.860
know, if we got a radical in the office and he said, Glenn, you don't have to worry about it.
00:40:08.500
Whoever sits in this chair is going to get the same advice that I got. And they will quickly realize
00:40:14.080
they really don't have any other choice, but to continue. And I left there thinking that didn't
00:40:22.180
help. That wasn't good. No, but I think that you as the executive, you've got to know that what
00:40:29.080
you're getting is likely not the whole picture. So for example, I was a big agitator in Congress for
00:40:34.760
the moving the embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. President Trump promised to do it. He initially
00:40:39.480
punted, then to his credit, he did it. But after he punted, I did an event over in Israel, drum up
00:40:44.360
support. But I met with all the state and CIA at the American embassy then in Tel Aviv. And I went down
00:40:49.500
around the table. If we move the embassy to Jerusalem, what will happen? World War. They
00:40:53.720
all said it would be World War Three. They said it would be the biggest thing. So they were all 100%
00:40:58.060
wrong about that. Think about COVID. You know, Dr. Fauci, Francis Collins, all this cabal that was in
00:41:06.400
there. We're all saying the same thing. You got to go to Bhattacharya from Stanford. You got to go to
00:41:11.960
Martin Kaldor from Harvard, Scott, all that. So you have to know. And I think what I've done as
00:41:16.980
governor in these different things is, you know, I don't accept just the accepted narrative. I probe,
00:41:22.340
I question the assumptions, and I seek other counsel outside people who may just be spouting
00:41:29.320
the company line. Sometimes I think these folks, I think just the group thing takes hold is part of
00:41:34.640
it for sure. They don't want to say that actually you could move the embassy because of the reaction
00:41:40.440
they would get. Donald Trump said in an interview with Meet the Press, he said Florida's six-week
00:41:48.600
abortion ban was a terrible mistake. Protecting unborn babies that have detectable heartbeats is not
00:41:56.940
terrible. It's noble. It's just. And it should be something that anyone says that they're pro-life
00:42:03.420
would embrace. I don't see how you could claim to have been at one time pro-life and then turn
00:42:10.060
around and say that it's terrible that a state would enact protections for life. And we did,
00:42:16.700
I think, what most people were hoping states would do once Dobbs came down. So it's something that I'm
00:42:23.100
proud that we did. It was the right thing. It was based on science and data and evidence in terms of
00:42:29.380
in terms of that detectable heartbeat. And there's a bunch of other states that did similar. And I
00:42:34.100
think that they stood up and stood for life as well. So what you can't do is, especially on
00:42:40.100
fundamental issues, you can't say that, you know, the question should an unborn that has a detectable
00:42:47.300
heartbeat, should they be protected or not? Or can it just be flushed away? And it doesn't matter if 80%
00:42:52.680
of the people think it should be protected or only 20% of the people think it could be protected. It's not
00:42:56.900
a poll question. It's a fundamental question about your values, about what you think. I think this
00:43:02.780
country is based on the idea that we're endowed by our creator with certain unalienable rights,
00:43:07.420
starting with the right to life. So when I have that in front of me, that decision is, of course,
00:43:13.400
it's something that's willing that you should protect. It's not terrible to be able to save lives.
00:43:20.580
Well, here's the thing. It's one thing to say that there are
00:43:25.100
strategic judgments that can be made about how to advance the cause. I'm not saying you
00:43:31.240
shouldn't do that. In fact, I've welcomed people to have thoughtful ways. If I, you know, Texas is
00:43:36.220
going to be different than California. How do you advance the cause of life in California? You may
00:43:40.220
have to have a little, you have to trim your sails to try to make some progress. There's nothing wrong
00:43:44.320
with doing that. But that's something different than saying once a state has already enacted
00:43:50.360
protections to castigate that as being something that's terrible. And here's the thing that the
00:43:56.580
damage that he did with that is more than just this campaign. There's going to be potentially on
00:44:02.060
the ballot in Florida, a referendum for a constitutional amendment to basically have abortion on demand.
00:44:08.400
The left is pursuing it. And if that passes, that means a legislature can never do anything to
00:44:13.720
protect, to protect life. Do you think they're going to run ads to Republicans and, and, and,
00:44:19.120
and independents showing Trump to Trump voters saying Trump didn't like this vote the other way
00:44:24.560
for us? Of course they are. They're going to weaponize what he said to try to defeat the cause
00:44:29.140
of life. And so it was, it was a really hurtful thing. It was really harmful. And I remember watching
00:44:34.160
his March for Life speech when he went, I thought it was an excellent speech. He spoke, you know,
00:44:39.060
look, he was on a teleprompter when everybody spoke the words he spoke. We're talking about the dignity
00:44:43.440
of every, every life. I mean, look, we're better as a society when everybody counts. And, and, and
00:44:48.160
there, there's a long road necessarily to, to realize that in totality. But when states are taking
00:44:53.580
positive steps in that direction, thank them, give them kudos, welcome that, don't denigrate it.
00:45:00.260
He said that he would negotiate a deal and that we would have basically a national law,
00:45:08.940
whatever that deal was. Isn't that what Dobbs said shouldn't be done?
00:45:14.840
Well, not only, not only that, I mean, what he's basically saying by saying, you're going to make
00:45:19.160
the Democrats happy. Understand this is a political party that will not say whether a baby that is one
00:45:25.760
day away from being born should have legal protection. They will not commit to that.
00:45:29.660
You ask every major Democrat, Kamala Harris knew someone, they, they, him and Haw,
00:45:33.380
they won't say that. So saying that you're going to make them happy, uh, if they're happy,
00:45:38.600
then it's something that's going to be really, really bad. And I think what he was, what he was
00:45:42.420
referring to in his mind is, you know, he would set some type of outer limit that the Democrats would
00:45:48.220
have to agree to, but then any protections within that would be wiped away, uh, from, uh, from the
00:45:54.480
states. And so if Iowa has protections for heartbeat, that would be eviscerated in favor of
00:45:59.800
this federal, uh, which would mean you'd be losing more ground than you would be, than you would be
00:46:05.000
gaining. So, um, that's not something that's going to work. And here's the thing. Um, this,
00:46:10.280
we had 50 years under the Supreme court's, uh, regime where they imposed without a text history
00:46:16.520
and structure of the constitution, uh, abortion on demand that changed the culture in this country.
00:46:21.660
And the pro-life movement's done now more work to, to shift the culture in a more pro-life direction.
00:46:26.700
I think technology and science has done that too. Cause you see, I remember seeing, uh, hearing the
00:46:31.860
heartbeat for my, my firstborn very early on. I remember seeing the sonogram, very, very powerful.
00:46:37.280
And so I think that that's helped, uh, you know, but there's more that will need to be done just on
00:46:41.660
the cultural level for sure. And I, and I totally get that, but man, if people are putting points on
00:46:46.880
the board for the cause of life, you know, we should thank them for doing that. Don't denigrate.
00:46:51.660
How do you, how do you feel about, um, the primaries suck? I hate them because we're all
00:47:02.180
one. And then for a year, we're all at each other's throat. And I've never seen ever in
00:47:09.320
my lifetime, a primary where the people are saying, please don't do this. Please don't
00:47:16.520
snipe at each other. And yet surrogates. Oh my gosh. Um, the, the, just go, you, your team,
00:47:28.040
Donald Trump team, they're just hacking each other to death. Is that good? Positive? Do you,
00:47:36.200
how do you feel? No, look, but I mean, I think that, um, you know, I was running for reelection
00:47:42.940
and he started launching attacks at me before the midterm and then I win the election and then
00:47:47.220
all this stuff. So it's been incessant against me, um, more than anybody else. I mean, he attacks me
00:47:52.780
way more than he attacks Biden, not even close. Um, and a lot of the stuff is just your mantra be
00:47:58.080
false. For example, he said, Florida mandated COVID vaccines. That's a lie that did not happen.
00:48:03.000
And not only did we not do it, I called the special session of the legislature,
00:48:06.680
got them to pass legislation that protected every job in Florida, including at private companies.
00:48:11.840
I had corporate Republicans attacking me for that. They were saying, well, if a corporation
00:48:16.140
wants you to force someone to take an MNRA shot, they can always quote, just get another job. No,
00:48:19.980
no, no. We didn't want you to have to choose between a job you need and a shot you didn't want.
00:48:23.920
And so we put those protections in. So that's something that more you say,
00:48:26.900
and you see that time and time again. So we have an obligation to respond, uh, in those instances
00:48:31.780
and set the record straight. Sometimes things are so ridiculous that I just kind of laugh at it.
00:48:36.040
And I think most people laugh at it. Um, but, but that's just what we've been done. When I go out
00:48:40.980
and make my case, I'm making a positive case for myself. If I'm asked to respond to something that
00:48:45.940
the former president says, I will do it. Um, and then I will provide my perspective, um, on,
00:48:51.780
on his record or not record. That's fair game. I mean, for example, we have a fundamental difference
00:48:56.640
about how COVID should have been handled. He said he did a great job. He said he shouldn't
00:49:01.400
have fired Fauci. He even gave Fauci an award his last day in office. Now I think he should go on
00:49:06.340
the debate stage and defend that and we can have that discussion, but that's fair game. Uh, you know,
00:49:11.060
I buck Fauci early on. I had Fauci coming to Florida, attacking me. I had the media attacking me,
00:49:16.480
all that stuff. I made myself very clear on that. So there's a difference there. There's a difference
00:49:20.840
too on, you know, draining the swamp. You know, he promised it, obviously didn't deliver it.
00:49:24.840
Why didn't he deliver it? He will argue his way. I will say, well, you know what? You trusted some
00:49:30.240
of the wrong people. Um, you know, these appointments were not good appointments. How
00:49:33.940
are you going to do better this next time on the appointments? And you can contrast that with a guy
00:49:38.280
like me. Who do I have as like surgeon general? I don't have a Fauci clone. I've got Dr. Joseph
00:49:43.200
Latipo. He's out there fighting all this stuff. So the personnel is really significant.
00:49:47.700
You are, your, your numbers were going, we looked at some charts before this interview and
00:49:53.000
your numbers were going up and you were doing really competitive work. Then the first indictment
00:49:57.940
happened and that galvanized a lot of people saying, you know what, this is wrong. And now you
00:50:06.180
have a lot of, I mean, I've, I've never seen a primary this lopsided before. Are you, do you think
00:50:13.640
that that can change? How do you appeal to those people? The national numbers are reflective of a lot
00:50:19.100
of the media oxygen and the media coverage. I was getting a lot of media coverage when we won
00:50:23.600
reelection and all that. Uh, then all of a sudden the brag thing, I think part of it was sympathy,
00:50:28.200
but I think part of it, it sucked the oxygen out of the room. And then there were these other cases.
00:50:32.040
I mean, I got into the race, the end of May, we toured the early States. We were getting big
00:50:36.440
crowds, people were enthusiastic. And then the next indictment came and that totally wiped us off.
00:50:41.040
And it was all that. Um, so that's just, so how do you appeal to structurally? That's just an issue
00:50:45.580
that you have to deal. So, but, but on the ground in Iowa and stuff, we're down there,
00:50:49.560
we're doing that. We're going to take the case directly to people. I mean, how do you appeal?
00:50:53.820
You say, uh, the left is weaponizing government, um, against people they don't like, not just
00:50:59.000
against Donald Trump, also against Catholics, against parents, against pro-life activists
00:51:04.440
on and on down the line, uh, what they've done. And so the question is, is how do you deal with that?
00:51:09.960
How do you, how do you actually fix it? Who's the best position to be able to do that?
00:51:13.460
And I'm the best position to be able to do that because you've seen me do things like that in
00:51:17.620
Florida. I'm the only elected official in America that's ever removed Soros backed prosecutors from
00:51:23.620
office. I've removed two in Florida, one in Tampa, one in Orlando. We're not just sitting there
00:51:28.660
complaining. We're doing it. I know where to come in, how to deal with FBI, how to deal with DOJ,
00:51:34.520
how to grant clemency for Donald Trump, uh, and these other people. I will be in a position to do that
00:51:41.100
very, very effectively. So if you want to end the weaponization, if you want to defang the
00:51:46.420
administrative state, you know, I'm the best vehicle to be able to get that done.
00:51:51.800
One of the things the next president has to do is restore the American values, the American work
00:51:59.020
ethic, the hope that we all had of a better tomorrow. We have to start making things again
00:52:04.960
here in America. And the entrepreneurs that are currently doing it are taking huge risks because
00:52:10.280
it's harder. It's more expensive usually. Um, and you have to train people to do it.
00:52:16.540
There's a certain level of pride that comes from knowing that you made it in America or that you're
00:52:22.040
buying American. So here's what I'd like you to do. Grip six is this great company. They started just
00:52:30.140
by making, I think a belt. And then they went from a belt to wallets. Now they're into all kinds of
00:52:37.260
different things, including socks and, uh, the socks, for example, I mean, it's even American wool.
00:52:43.940
It's coming off American sheep and it's cleaned by American, um, uh, uh, manufacturers who then weave
00:52:51.900
it into socks. It'll keep your feet warm in the winter and cool in the summer, all in American business,
00:52:58.080
American made products with American labor. I want you to go to grip six.com slash Beck right now.
00:53:05.040
It's grip six.com slash Beck. Let's talk about a couple of other things. I want to talk about the
00:53:12.120
unions, um, and, uh, particularly the auto workers. Um, but I also want to talk to you about Ukraine
00:53:19.220
because a lot of people say you're a little slippery on Ukraine. I don't think so. I mean,
00:53:24.960
what happened was, you know, I said, you know, it's, um, it's something that, um, you know,
00:53:29.100
no blank check. Uh, it's not a, it's not a vital interest where we'd have ground troops under any
00:53:33.740
circumstance. It's a secondary or tertiary interest. And the goal should be to bring it to
00:53:38.160
a conclusion, uh, so that we don't have wars breaking out in Europe or we don't have this
00:53:42.360
going on for 50 years. Uh, and that's pretty much where I've been. People said, Oh, he said
00:53:46.600
Vladimir Putin's a bad guy. So that must be a change because wouldn't he, if Putin's bad,
00:53:52.460
don't you have to support a never ending blank check? No, there's a different question between
00:53:56.240
Putin being a bad guy, which he is Russia being the aggressor, which they are, but then our national
00:54:01.760
interests and the risks of us getting enmeshed in this. I'm the only guy running that's actually
00:54:06.320
put on the uniform. I was in Iraq at a time where, you know, things weren't great in places like
00:54:11.360
Fallujah and Ramadi. And I'm very, uh, conscious and sensitive to doing things where there's not a
00:54:17.480
clear mission where we don't know what exactly we're trying to accomplish. Biden is still not
00:54:22.300
articulated. He just says as long, as long as it takes. So as president, my goal would be to end
00:54:26.900
it, not to escalate it. Uh, I think we can do that, but you're going to have to use other levers
00:54:31.720
that Biden has not been willing to do. For example, on the energy, he is basically funding both sides
00:54:37.320
of the conflict. Correct. Our energy policy helps Russia helps Iran. He gave 6 billion to Iran just
00:54:43.840
now. Iran is helping Russia in the conflict. China is helping Russia in the conflict. And then people
00:54:49.900
will sometimes say, well, um, you know, because it's borderland between Russia and Ukraine, like
00:54:55.800
why should America care? And what the DC people will say is, well, China is watching this. They're
00:55:00.460
they're going to see, and that may cause them what they do with Taiwan. I actually think what China
00:55:04.460
wants, they want to see a long protracted quagmire because we're running low on ammunition in the
00:55:10.360
West. Stockpiles are diminishing. Uh, Russia, if they're in it, Russia will get weakened too, but China
00:55:16.560
wants a weak Russia because that means Russia's a client state of China because, you know, China
00:55:21.900
and Russia, they, they get along, but then they don't or whatever. This China would be, or Russia
00:55:26.480
would be dependent on China in that situation. So I think it's in our interest for this to come
00:55:30.660
to an end as expeditiously as possible. All that money. Well, they're paying bureaucrat salaries
00:55:36.740
for Ukrainian bureaucrats, no accountability on any of this, paying pensions for Ukrainian bureaucrats.
00:55:42.380
I mean, that is something that's totally unacceptable to be doing. Joe Biden impeachment, 30 seconds.
00:55:49.960
Yeah. I mean, I think that the corruption is real. I think they should be, should be inquiring and
00:55:54.000
investigating, but you know, he should be impeached for the border. He is derelict in the performance of
00:56:00.780
his duties. He took an oath to ensure that the laws of this country were faithfully executed and he has
00:56:07.720
flagrantly violated his oath of office. That is definitely an impeachable offense. And so I think
00:56:14.220
on that dereliction of duty, that's the cleanest case that they should do. I do think they should
00:56:19.520
be getting the information on the corruption. And I think there is real corruption with the Biden
00:56:23.560
family. Is it a problem if Joe Biden didn't get any of the money, but they were selling the illusion
00:56:29.560
and his family was enriched, but he wasn't. Well, yeah, I mean, I know. Yeah, of course,
00:56:35.100
there's a problem with that. And I doubt that it would be something that Biden would just be an
00:56:39.000
innocent bystander to and would never do it. I mean, after all, who's the big guy that they're
00:56:43.060
kicking up the money to? When you saw Poland, if you did see Poland said yesterday, we're done.
00:56:50.040
We're not going to supply Ukraine anything because their farmers are being slaughtered by the grain
00:56:57.120
prices because, yeah. Is that just a political move on Poland's part until the prime minister is
00:57:05.100
elected? Is that real? I don't know. I think I think it's I think it's it's it's maybe too soon
00:57:10.040
to tell. But, you know, Poland has been one that they have been willing to mobilize more power because
00:57:14.840
they have history with Russia. So it's something that they're concerned about in terms of what's going
00:57:19.680
on there. But I look at it just practically. And if we were here five years ago, you know, I would
00:57:25.360
have said and I think it may be still true. His ambitions Vladimir Putin would be to make more
00:57:29.920
incursions into Europe. But I think you and I probably would agree or would have thought that
00:57:33.480
they had much more firepower than what they've shown to be able to have. They don't have the
00:57:37.740
ability, I think, to make successful incursions into a NATO country. Now, we're bound by that. And I
00:57:43.240
think that but I just don't see that. I mean, I think that they've suffered a lot of losses with the
00:57:48.600
Ukraine situation. But I do think how Zelensky is acting, I think, is ruffling feathers in places
00:57:55.300
like Poland. I mean, he's at the U.N. lecturing about climate change. I mean, like, you know,
00:57:59.700
really, is that really what you should be doing? Give me a break. Article five of the NATO treaty.
00:58:07.220
Some people say that just means we go to war. The Congress doesn't have to speak.
00:58:12.680
Does Congress have to vote? No, I think Congress would have to.
00:58:15.340
I think that if that happened, I think they likely would do that. But what I would say on that is,
00:58:20.520
what is the mission of NATO? I mean, I think NATO was was fine for the Cold War. It made sense.
00:58:25.840
You know, now we're in a situation where a lot of those countries aren't doing their fair share in
00:58:30.460
terms of their defenses. And yet we're supposed to provide blanket security for that, where our
00:58:36.240
interests may diverge around the world. I think we all kind of want to just see a peaceful Europe for
00:58:40.800
sure. But what about China? Some of those European countries are not eye to eye with us on what we
00:58:45.700
should be doing on China. A lot of them want to appease China. So I think they need to be required
00:58:50.040
to do two, two and a half percent of their GDP to do that. And I think that should be the threshold
00:58:55.180
where Article five would apply. If you're not willing to do your fair share, then you're basically
00:59:00.140
a free rider and what we're just supposed to come to your rescue. So I think Trump was right to call
00:59:04.880
them out on that. And I think we need to move the ball forward going forward. As president, would you
00:59:09.620
say to make peace, Ukraine is never going to be a part of NATO? Oh, yeah. I don't think I don't
00:59:16.140
think NATO membership is in is in our interest. To me, all that would do was add more obligations to
00:59:22.500
us. And so I think if you're adding more obligations, then what are the benefits that we're
00:59:27.720
getting in return? And in that case, you know, I don't know what the benefits necessarily would be.
00:59:32.560
And I would have noted I'd note the people that are more interested in having Ukraine
00:59:37.300
in NATO are also the ones that say Putin is going to attack into NATO. So clearly that I
00:59:44.860
mean, if the NATO membership was to deter him, they're saying out of both sides of their mouth
00:59:49.780
that it wouldn't even deter him to begin. Right. With Ukraine, would you say no more, no more
01:00:00.040
equipment, no more money unless you sit down at a negotiating table and have a serious talk about
01:00:08.780
peace? Oh, yeah. Anything that we would do would be us using leverage to bring it to a conclusion.
01:00:15.540
So no blank check, nothing to where we're just doing. We want to bring it to a conclusion. And
01:00:21.740
whether we use any of our resources to do it or not, hopefully you wouldn't have to do that.
01:00:26.080
But if you do, it's going to be contingent on it, bringing it to the conclusion that we want to see.
01:00:31.700
We just we have to come to terms with if you believe I believe China is our top threat.
01:00:36.400
I believe we need to deter their ambitions in the Indo-Pacific. We do not have the hard power we need
01:00:42.840
in the Indo-Pacific right now. We're not going to be able to provide blanket security to Europe and do
01:00:48.000
what we need to do to deter China. It's in our interest that that conflict in Europe come to a
01:00:52.620
conclusion. European countries step up and do more and that we take the leadership role in being the
01:00:58.740
bulwark against Chinese expansion in Asia. If they expanded into Taiwan, would you?
01:01:04.380
Well, the whole policy would be to deny them the ability to seek that. Well, I think if we got in,
01:01:11.260
we would be able to to create a reality on the ground where they would where they would not do it.
01:01:16.180
I mean, look, Taiwan's an ally. It's very strategically important. It's not just about semiconductors.
01:01:20.620
It's about China taking that and launching that to really dominating the region. That's going to be
01:01:26.420
the most important economic region in the world and how that would then impact the United States
01:01:31.880
of America. If China surpasses us with economy and military strength, even without a war,
01:01:36.160
that will impact every American family in one way or another. I mean, our way of life would change.
01:01:41.100
So I've only got a few minutes left, so I'm going to ask you one question,
01:01:44.420
but maybe I can invite you to be on the radio show to talk about what the Treasury released yesterday
01:01:49.640
on. Now it's no longer ESG. It's I can't remember investment in sustainability partnerships.
01:02:00.380
So they've taken ESG and just relabeled it and they're still going. And I'd love to hear your
01:02:06.320
thoughts on that. But I want to ask you about the auto workers.
01:02:10.260
I came from a split family on unions. Half my family was against unions. They were hardworking
01:02:18.080
people. The other half worked at Boeing and they were very union. And I've always seen unions as
01:02:26.200
something that is. When when something's out of whack, you need to have the equal and opposite
01:02:33.220
so you can conflict in all things so you can find that balance. Corporations sometimes just
01:02:40.040
gobble and eat people. And for instance, Apple in China. Then you have the unions that just go out
01:02:47.840
of control. Ford is dying. Ford is dying. They've two billion dollars behind. They can't put out their
01:03:00.660
trucks in time because they're building all these EVs. The people who are, you know, the workers that
01:03:08.600
their job is gone. If we do this EV thing, it's all gone. How do you as president? How would you frame
01:03:18.220
this fight? And what would what could you or should you do? Well, with the policy you just did,
01:03:26.220
we will reverse. That is bad for both Ford and the auto workers. It's bad for both. They people
01:03:32.440
don't want those EVs and the numbers that the the government's forcing them to do. You know,
01:03:37.100
I used to drive a Ford F-150. I would not want that to be an EV. I need you. And that's what
01:03:41.500
consumers want. I tried to buy an F-350 just this summer. It's six to 18 months out for delivery.
01:03:51.160
Oh, my goodness. Yeah. When Ford can't make their number one product, there's a problem. So we're
01:03:55.300
going to we're going to rip up Biden's EV mandates. We articulated that in our speech in
01:03:59.120
Midland. And we're going to save the American automobile that will save the American automobile
01:04:04.560
industry where they will be able to be profitable again. And I have no no problem with them working
01:04:11.000
out how they want to work it out. But right now, government is causing these losses. I think it's
01:04:15.940
only going to mount. And I want us to be able to succeed. These are good jobs. I mean, these are jobs
01:04:20.840
that that'll be very meaningful for families. Why would you want the government coming in and
01:04:25.320
mucking that up? Governor DeSantis. Thank you. Thank you.
01:04:34.620
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