The Glenn Beck Program - Ep 2 ｜ Robert Spencer ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

00:00:00.000 When I was growing up, we knew what poison was.

00:00:04.020 We knew when we saw the skull and crossbones, that's dangerous, don't go there.

00:00:08.500 It can hurt you, it can poison you, it can kill you.

00:00:11.700 More and more it seems that words and ideas are poisonous, dangerous, have to be banned,

00:00:18.260 put up high on the shelf so no one can find them.

00:00:21.500 We're going to introduce you to a man who's been deemed very dangerous, Robert Spencer. 0.90

00:00:26.040 It's ridiculous when people say, well, the Bible is just as violent as the Koran.

00:00:30.880 It just indicates that they don't really know what either one of them says. 0.81

00:00:33.760 His ideas are dangerous.

00:00:35.560 The media is submitting by not showing the cartoons and kowtowing to this violent threats and intimidation.

00:00:41.340 That's just the wrong thing to do because it's only going to encourage more violent threats and intimidation.

00:00:45.460 His new book, The History of Jihad, From Mohammed to ISIS, is dangerous.

00:00:50.800 In 2011, Spencer was removed as an FBI and military trainer.

00:00:55.340 He was training everybody in the United States, CIA, FBI.

00:01:00.980 He was training our military leaders.

00:01:03.080 And about in 2011, he was found to be dangerous.

00:01:07.320 Now, this coincided with the purging of all of the training materials that mentioned Islam and jihad.

00:01:14.100 Spencer wrote in his book that America was going to war against jihadists while forbidding itself to understand jihad.

00:01:20.780 Spencer would also be banned from the United Kingdom for pointing out that Islam had doctrines of violence against unbelievers.

00:01:28.960 There are calls tonight to stop two anti-Islamic campaigners from entering Britain.

00:01:34.560 In August of 2018, MasterCard blacklisted Spencer and pressured Patreon to remove his site and his podcast.

00:01:43.800 It seems he's pretty dangerous.

00:01:59.840 Robert, you are a dangerous man.

00:02:03.660 You have a travel ban before travel bans were cool.

00:02:07.400 Yes, that's true.

00:02:08.440 It is kind of a Muslim travel ban, except it's the opposite.

00:02:12.000 I criticized Islam, and thus I was banned from entering Britain, yes. 1.00

00:02:16.080 What is that like to not be allowed in the country of England, a Great Britain?

00:02:20.680 It's a nuisance because American Airlines is tied to British Airways.

00:02:24.560 And so every time I fly American Airlines, which I avoid at all costs, they give me the third degree to make sure I'm not going to somehow sneak into Britain.

00:02:32.600 That's crazy.

00:02:33.920 Yes, it is.

00:02:34.660 That is crazy.

00:02:35.260 And then this summer, MasterCard has come after you.

00:02:40.900 Yes.

00:02:41.460 Tell me about that.

00:02:42.480 They haven't given me any explanation.

00:02:44.760 They dropped me from Patreon, which I didn't even know was tied to MasterCard.

00:02:48.520 I don't have a MasterCard.

00:02:50.060 But Patreon dropped me because MasterCard complained, and MasterCard only explained that it did so because I had illegal content on my website.

00:03:00.300 Now, the only conceivable way I could have illegal content on my website is by the criteria of Islamic law, not American law.

00:03:09.240 Are you concerned about what I called the digital ghettoization of ideas?

00:03:17.220 I'm deeply concerned about that, as very much so.

00:03:19.940 I wrote a book a few years back, as a matter of fact, called The Complete Infidel's Guide to Free Speech and Its Enemies, and warned about what's happening, that the social media giants have more control over the means of communication than the Soviet Union had at its height.

00:03:35.680 And if you get the banking industry, you're on an island.

00:03:39.160 Yes.

00:03:39.520 You can't make any money, and you can't have your voice heard.

00:03:43.780 And we're on the way to that.

00:03:44.720 Why, with you, why, what is it that you say that is so dangerous?

00:03:52.020 Well, when the U.K. banned me, they kindly sent a letter that explained that I had said in a 2002 documentary that Islam has doctrines of warfare against unbelievers.

00:04:04.660 And because I was likely to repeat that in Britain, I was not to be allowed in.

00:04:09.100 Now, Islam does have doctrines of warfare against unbelievers, but truth was no defense. 1.00

00:04:13.900 Yes.

00:04:15.340 I read a study that said, and I can't remember the exact percentage, but it's pretty high.

00:04:20.740 It's like around 70%.

00:04:22.240 70% of people, when they start to listen to somebody, if that person says, look, you know what, I have to tell you, I've made mistakes.

00:04:30.720 I wish I wouldn't have said this.

00:04:33.360 70% of the people are more willing to listen to that person.

00:04:37.020 Is there anything that you've ever said that you'll go, oh, I wish I wouldn't have said that?

00:04:40.760 Or I wish I would have said it differently?

00:04:41.940 Yeah, actually, there is one thing in my very first book that I wish I could recall.

00:04:47.400 I mean, take back.

00:04:49.860 Yeah, okay.

00:04:50.300 You remember it.

00:04:51.000 I remember it very well.

00:04:52.180 Right.

00:04:52.280 I said that both the Israelis and Palestinians had committed inexcusable acts. 1.00

00:04:57.940 And that gave the impression that I was considering them to be equivalent, when in reality, if you look at Palestinian television, there are calls for genocide on a routine basis.

00:05:07.960 And incredible anti-Semitism and all sorts of horrible things people wouldn't expect would be broadcast anywhere.

00:05:16.680 And there's nothing like that in Israel.

00:05:18.660 What I was referring to was the fact that there have been Israeli soldiers who have committed excesses, but they were prosecuted, which is very different from how the Palestinian terrorists are actually celebrated as heroes.

00:05:30.140 So I very much regret that.

00:05:33.100 Are you Jewish?

00:05:34.920 No, I'm a Greek Orthodox Christian.

00:05:36.620 Okay.

00:05:38.860 Why have you, I mean, you started in 1980.

00:05:41.760 Yes.

00:05:41.920 Well, you know, you have the Quran memorized.

00:05:45.760 Yeah, I have most of it, yes.

00:05:46.640 Why?

00:05:47.780 I was fascinated by it.

00:05:49.080 You know, I remember in the 90s, one time, a group of friends and I were going on vacation, and they were packing novels and such to read on the beach, and I packed the Quran.

00:05:59.680 I was just interested in it.

00:06:01.020 But the interest ultimately comes from my family.

00:06:04.220 My grandparents were actually exiled from the Ottoman Empire in 1918.

00:06:07.980 In 1918, they were given the choice of conversion to Islam or get out, which was in a certain sense generous because they could have said convert or die. 0.89

00:06:17.900 Although they did kill my great-grandfather as they were leaving, the rest of the family was able to get out.

00:06:23.960 Now, the funny part about this story is that when I knew my grandparents and they were very old, they would talk about how wonderful it was over there.

00:06:34.400 And my grandmother and Barack Obama are the two people I know of who say that the Muslim call to prayer from the minaret is the most beautiful sound that they've ever heard.

00:06:44.240 And so I would ask her, well, then why did you leave while we were exiled?

00:06:47.720 Why were you exiled?

00:06:48.960 And then there was silence.

00:06:50.720 I don't know if they couldn't tell me or wouldn't tell me or didn't even know themselves, maybe, all the circumstances that they were told that they had to get out.

00:06:58.900 But I wanted to know.

00:07:01.020 So I started to study it.

00:07:02.620 This led me right into Islam and the Quran because the history of that period in that area is all about, as I explained before, the infidels at war with Islam and how they have to be killed or they have to be exiled because we have to purify the land of them. 1.00

00:07:19.820 And so this led me into reading the Quran and studying all this.

00:07:23.460 And then, of course, you can't understand the Quran on its own. 0.86

00:07:26.200 And so I started to study the Hadith, the Hadith of Bukhari and Muslim primarily, but also Abu Dawud ibn Majah on Nassai and the tafsir, the primary tafsir, the commentaries on the Quran of Qurtabi, the two jalals, al-Jalalain, and ibn Kathir.

00:07:42.860 And then, of course, in the 90s, this became something that people wanted to know about, and I was in a position to tell them.

00:07:50.400 When you read the Quran, it's important to know how to read the Quran.

00:07:54.680 That's right.

00:07:55.180 Why?

00:07:55.320 Well, the Quran is not organized in any immediately accessible fashion.

00:08:01.660 It's not organized chronologically.

00:08:03.600 It's not organized thematically.

00:08:06.020 And the way that it is organized is essentially, but even this is not uniform, from the longest chapter to the shortest, starting with the second chapter.

00:08:15.720 And then the second chapter is very long, the longest of the book.

00:08:18.900 And then chapter 114, the last chapter, is very brief, just a few lines.

00:08:22.960 Now, the subjects change without any notice.

00:08:29.020 And also, another very great difficulty in reading the Quran is that it's as if you're having a conversation with a close friend, and you've had many shared experiences, and you don't have to explain because your friend knows what happened.

00:08:43.220 And so, there are many, many things that are referred to in the Quran that are like that, where you have no idea what is being said, unless you consult the Hadith, the Tafsir, the Commentaries on the Quran, the Hadith, the Reports on the Words and Deeds of Muhammad, which contains a great deal of Tafsir, the Commentary.

00:09:01.200 And so, as a result, when you're reading the Quran, you can't, you might, things will fly by, and you have no idea of their significance.

00:09:10.880 Can you give us a big, significant example?

00:09:14.560 One good one is chapter 66, verses 1 to 5, where Allah is scolding two of Muhammad's wives, and there is no reason given for what they have done. 0.96

00:09:28.900 But he's threatening, he's saying he can divorce you and get better wives, and so you better toe the line.

00:09:35.360 And there are two divergent Islamic traditions that explain what this passage is all about.

00:09:40.780 One of them is that he was eating honey, and it was on his breath, and he lied about it because his wife didn't like that he ate honey and had bad breath.

00:09:52.140 And the other story, which is more likely because it is a bit more damaging, and so it's unlikely that it would have been invented,

00:09:59.920 is that he skipped the turn of one of the wives who was angry.

00:10:06.160 He stayed the night with one of his wives each day, and they had a rotation.

00:10:12.960 But he spent the night with Mary the Copte, his concubine, instead of Hafsa, one of his wives.

00:10:18.860 And then Hafsa and Aisha, another one of his wives, were angry, and they are being scolded in this passage.

00:10:26.360 The passage really makes very little sense, unless you know the background.

00:10:30.920 And if you don't know it, then you might read this and think, this is just incomprehensible.

00:10:38.020 And there are many, many passages of this kind.

00:10:40.660 Okay.

00:10:42.500 Your book takes the history of jihad from Muhammad to ISIS, and you're pretty much making the case 0.99

00:10:50.200 that the history that we have, at least the history now, and especially the last 20 years, is wrong.

00:10:58.240 Yes.

00:10:58.720 Please explain.

00:11:00.460 Yeah, the last chapter is called The West Loses the Will to Live, and it is all about how our response to 9-11

00:11:07.600 and all the jihad activity that has happened subsequently has been on the wrong track,

00:11:13.140 starting on September 17th, 2001, when George W. Bush went into the mosque in Washington in the company of an al-Qaeda financier,

00:11:21.080 who is now in prison for financing al-Qaeda.

00:11:24.480 And he's standing behind the president, Abdur-Rahman al-Ammudi, of the American Muslim Council.

00:11:29.120 I mean, can you imagine FDR standing on the day after Pearl Harbor with a chief Nazi financier? 0.61

00:11:50.760 It's inconceivable, and it, I think, is a symbol of how the whole thing went wrong from the beginning.

00:11:56.740 So let's look at the caliphate and how we have to take people seriously, because that's what's happening to us.

00:12:07.540 We think that they don't necessarily mean this.

00:12:11.860 Well, they're just saying that.

00:12:13.020 They're just saying these things for their population and their popularity or their poll ratings or whatever.

00:12:18.480 We also don't listen to, as you said, Arabic television.

00:12:22.540 It is shocking when you actually see what they say.

00:12:27.720 I know I took Osama bin Laden seriously in 1999 and talk radio because it was during the Clinton administration.

00:12:35.000 They wanted to hang me.

00:12:36.320 I'm not surprised.

00:12:37.060 And I said on ABC, there will be blood and bodies in the streets within the next 10 years,

00:12:41.840 and that guy will do it if you don't take him seriously.

00:12:45.680 Second one was the caliphate. 0.92

00:12:47.140 I was mocked like crazy for saying there would be a caliphate.

00:12:50.580 Yes.

00:12:50.800 Well, ISIS, and all you have to do is look at what they're saying.

00:12:55.580 Absolutely, yes.

00:12:56.860 I couldn't agree more.

00:12:57.860 So tell me about the caliphate, because if it's not this caliphate, it will be another caliphate. 0.57

00:13:03.280 Absolutely.

00:13:04.100 Iran is trying to build a caliphate. 0.99

00:13:06.300 Iran, well, it's Shiite, so it's a little bit of a different situation. 0.97

00:13:09.720 But yes, the desire for a caliphate is a universal longing in Islam.

00:13:15.500 The caliph is the successor.

00:13:17.240 That's what the word means.

00:13:18.100 Khalifa is successor of Muhammad as the military, political, and spiritual leader of the Muslims.

00:13:23.440 And if you go through the book from the beginning, you have the period of the four rightly guided caliphs, Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, and Ali, the four immediate successors of Muhammad.

00:13:34.060 Then you have the great Islamic empires, which were all caliphates, the Umayyads, the Abbasids, the Ottomans, the caliphate of Cordoba in Spain, the Fatimid Shiite caliphate in Egypt.

00:13:46.440 And these were all the engines of the jihad, because in Sunni Islamic theology, and remember the Sunnis are 85 to 90 percent of Muslims, the caliph is the only one who's authorized to declare offensive jihad. 0.94

00:13:59.860 So since 1924, when the secular Turkish government abolished the Ottoman caliphate, all the jihad groups, as well as groups such as the Muslim Brotherhood, have been trying to restore the caliphate so that offensive jihad can again be waged and that the Muslim world will ostensibly be reunited instead of being disunited in all these artificial nation states that the jihad groups blamed the West for establishing.

00:14:26.980 So the caliph is like Moses or a prophet.

00:14:31.560 He's not a prophet in the sense that he can bring new revelation.

00:14:34.200 It's more like the pope with an army.

00:14:35.980 Okay, okay.

00:14:36.780 Well, I think the pope had an army for a while.

00:14:38.600 Yeah.

00:14:39.700 So, but he speaks for, once that's established, then he speaks for all Muslims and can call, if they're attacked, if the caliphate is attacked, he can call on all Muslims to come and they feel that it's their duty to come?

00:14:53.200 Defensive jihad, you don't even need a caliph for.

00:14:55.200 Defensive jihad, when a Muslim land is attacked, that's why they're fighting now. 1.00

00:14:59.780 9-11, as far as they're concerned, was defensive.

00:15:02.260 And this is why jihadis like Osama bin Laden, they always list all these grievances, all these terrible things that the West has supposedly done, because that situates their jihad as defensive and justifies it.

00:15:13.700 The defensive jihad is obligatory upon all Muslims everywhere in the world to aid in some way if a Muslim land is attacked. 0.99

00:15:21.640 But the offensive jihad, the Quran says in chapter 8, verse 39, fight until religion is all for Allah. 0.78

00:15:29.460 And so that's an offensive jihad.

00:15:31.500 It doesn't say fight if you're attacked, fight if you were just defending Muslim lands, but fight until religion is all for Allah. 0.92

00:15:38.980 The offensive jihad is the province in Sunni Islamic theology of the caliph only.

00:15:44.800 And so it cannot be pursued unless there's a caliph.

00:15:47.740 Tell me about Muhammad, who he was, and what Islam was like when he was alive.

00:16:06.200 Muhammad, according to Islamic tradition, all of this is shrouded in legend and its historicity is doubtful.

00:16:11.660 But according to the traditional story, he was born in 570 and died in 632.

00:16:16.640 He was an Arabian merchant in the year 610, troubled by the polytheism of his native land, his native town, Mecca, the city of the Quraysh tribe, of which he was a member.

00:16:30.620 He was praying on a mountain outside Mecca, and the angel Gabriel appeared to him and told him to recite.

00:16:38.280 And he said, I can't recite, I can't read.

00:16:40.440 And the angel insisted that he recite.

00:16:42.520 He began to recite.

00:16:43.500 What he recited was the Qur'an.

00:16:45.600 The beginning verses recite in the name of him who created men from clots of blood.

00:16:51.620 That is still in the Qur'an in chapter 96.

00:16:54.620 And that's the first revelation that Muhammad received. 0.81

00:16:57.960 Over the next 23 years, he received all of it.

00:17:01.180 He would go into a trance and then come out of it and say that these are the words of Allah.

00:17:07.280 The Qur'an is supposed to be the perfect word of Allah that existed forever, with Allah in paradise, one of the three eternal things.

00:17:14.640 Allah, his throne, and his book.

00:17:16.960 And the book was transmitted perfectly to Muhammad over those 23 years.

00:17:20.660 The Qur'an becomes violent and bellicose when Muhammad emigrates from Mecca to Medina after the Qur'an rejected his claim to be a prophet and things grew very antagonistic.

00:17:33.440 12 years into his prophetic ministry, around the year 622, he moved to Medina, a little ways away, and began to get revelations calling for warfare against the unbelievers.

00:17:44.900 Went to war with the Quraysh, conquered them. 1.00

00:17:47.080 Went to war with the other Arab tribes, conquered them. 1.00

00:17:49.700 Unified Arabia. 0.75

00:17:50.500 By the time of his death in 632, the Muslim armies that he had amassed and the Muslim force was able to take advantage of the exhaustion of the Byzantine and Persian empires, the great powers of the day, which had exhausted each other in a series of wars just in the decades before this.

00:18:10.720 And so they were able to pour out of Arabia and conquer the Middle East and North Africa with astonishing speed. 0.96

00:18:16.260 I don't know how many people understand that they believe in Jesus, they believe in Moses and the Bible and Abraham, and it is Isaac and Ishmael, correct?

00:18:33.820 Yes.

00:18:34.200 Tell that story for anybody who doesn't know.

00:18:35.960 Well, of course, in the Bible, you have the story of Abraham and Isaac and the sacrifice where God tells Abraham to sacrifice Isaac and then stops him at the last minute, and it's taken as a sign of how great Abraham's faith was that he was willing even to sacrifice his son.

00:18:52.260 In the Islamic tradition, the sacrificial son is Ishmael, not Isaac, and the Muslims are considered to be the children of Ishmael.

00:19:01.740 But all the prophets are Muslims. 0.98

00:19:04.760 Islam is the original religion of Adam, and it is the religion of all the prophets that are enlisted in the Bible as well as others that are not in the Bible and that are recounted in the Quran like Hud and others.

00:19:17.420 And Jesus is a prophet?

00:19:19.540 Jesus is one of the prophets.

00:19:20.800 He's the last prophet before Muhammad. 0.99

00:19:22.280 And the Quran says explicitly, say, take chapter 3, verse 67, Abraham is neither a Jew nor a Christian.

00:19:30.380 He is a Muslim.

00:19:32.880 Now, how could Abraham have been a Muslim when he lived before Muhammad? 0.61

00:19:36.080 The premise is that all the prophets were Muslims.

00:19:39.060 The original religion of mankind was Islam.

00:19:41.660 But the followers of the prophets, they twisted the messages that they received from their prophets to create the religions of Judaism and Christianity. 0.84

00:19:51.520 So, Jesus, see, he was a prophet.

00:19:54.020 He taught Islam.

00:19:55.120 In chapter 61 or 62 of the Quran, 61-6, I think it is, he says that there's going to come a prophet after me whose name is Ahmed, Muhammad.

00:20:05.900 But he's only a prophet.

00:20:09.080 He teaches Islam.

00:20:10.320 He's a Muslim.

00:20:11.800 Muhammad is the greater prophet, the last prophet, the seal of the prophets. 0.98

00:20:15.000 And it is Muhammad who is, of course, the one who is the foundation of the religion.

00:20:22.880 But all of the prophets were Muslims.

00:20:25.720 And the followers of Jesus created Christianity by twisting his message. 0.67

00:20:31.380 Why was he not just a great leader to his people?

00:20:35.520 Why did he, how was he able to grab prophet status?

00:20:40.740 I mean, Jesus, you know, had kind of a small gathering before people just killed him.

00:20:47.320 How did he, and Jesus, you know, supposedly did miracles and everything else.

00:20:53.200 What was the MO of Muhammad? 0.93

00:20:55.880 Muhammad actually had a very small band of followers, too, when he was in Mecca.

00:21:00.660 And he didn't do miracles.

00:21:03.380 And he actually says, it's repeated in the Quran, that the miracle is the book.

00:21:07.520 This is the miracle.

00:21:08.840 There is no other miracle.

00:21:09.840 Don't expect anything.

00:21:10.940 They ask you to do a miracle, but you're only a plain warner in the face of a terrific punishment.

00:21:15.700 That is hellfire.

00:21:16.800 You're warning the people.

00:21:18.500 But what he did do when he went to Medina, and this is the second part of his prophetic career,

00:21:25.980 he tells his followers, first, invite the unbelievers to accept Islam. 0.74

00:21:30.740 If they refuse, invite them to pay the jizya. 0.98

00:21:33.860 Now, chapter 9, verse 29 of the Quran says,

00:21:35.840 fight against those who do not believe in Allah or the last day, and do not forbid what he has forbidden,

00:21:41.580 even if they are of the people of the book, which is the Jews and Christians primarily,

00:21:45.560 until they pay the jizya with willing submission and feel themselves subdued.

00:21:49.940 That jizya is a tax, that's what the word means, and the idea is that the Jews, the Christians, and the other people of the book are to live in a state of subjugation to the Muslims, 0.73

00:22:00.260 paying a tax and being denied basic rights so as to remind them every day of how they have rejected the true faith, 0.69

00:22:07.480 make them suffer in this world as well as in the next.

00:22:09.920 But he's, so getting back to what Muhammad taught, he said, first, invite them to accept Islam.

00:22:17.100 If they refuse, invite them to pay the jizya, that is to submit. 0.96

00:22:20.920 And third, if they refuse both, seek Allah's help and fight them. 0.50

00:22:25.140 So, it is a missionary faith, as Christianity is, but there's also an or else after the invitation to accept.

00:22:34.140 If you don't accept, then you have to accept subjugation or war.

00:22:37.820 Most people don't know.

00:22:40.660 There are more slaves in the world today than there were during the entire 400 years of the Western slave trade.

00:22:46.920 Indeed.

00:22:47.680 And a lot of that is Islamic in nature, at least in the Middle East, because you can take the unbelievers and enslave them. 1.00

00:22:56.020 Yes.

00:22:56.320 Most people also don't know that the slave trade here in America, much of it was Muslims who said, 0.98

00:23:04.240 well, these savages or these people, they're infidels. 1.00

00:23:07.820 We have the right, if they won't submit, to bring them in and sell them as slaves. 0.99

00:23:12.260 Absolutely.

00:23:12.780 And a lot of this is in the book.

00:23:14.140 But one thing that's interesting about that is that you hear nowadays, it's an increasing talking point on the left,

00:23:20.820 that the slaves in America in the...

00:23:23.540 Were Muslim.

00:23:23.920 Yeah.

00:23:24.880 It's extraordinarily unlikely that any but a handful were Muslims.

00:23:29.020 And the ones who were Muslims were taken by mistake.

00:23:31.500 Right.

00:23:31.740 Or not Muslim enough. 1.00

00:23:32.840 Yes. 0.97

00:23:33.560 The Muslim slave traders were not enslaving fellow Muslims.

00:23:36.360 Right. 0.68

00:23:36.520 They might have been, as you say, they might have been enslaving Muslims of another sect who they did not think to be sufficiently Muslim. 0.65

00:23:42.900 But much more likely they were taking pagan Africans and selling them because that, as far as Islam is concerned, is completely permissible. 0.99

00:23:53.880 Okay.

00:23:54.080 So there's this split between the Sunni and the Shias.

00:23:56.640 Yes.

00:23:57.080 When does that happen?

00:23:58.340 That happens almost from the beginning.

00:23:59.740 Okay.

00:24:00.260 And that is because they're arguing, no, I'm the successor to Muhammad, right?

00:24:05.860 Yes.

00:24:06.120 It's solidified at 680 at the Battle of Karbala in Iraq, where Yazid, the son of Muawiyah, the Sunni caliph, is confronted by Hussein, the son of Ali, who was the previous caliph before Muawiyah.

00:24:24.020 But he has been passed over, just as Ali was passed over for the caliphate.

00:24:29.500 And Yazid kills Hussein, and the split was solidified forever. 0.83

00:24:34.260 This is actually when you see Ashura celebrations or commemorations, when the Shiites cut their heads and the blood pours down and they whip themselves and they're all bloody. 0.99

00:24:44.260 You see the horrible pictures of this sometimes.

00:24:46.060 That is mourning for the death of Hussein at Karbala and punishing themselves for not being able to save him.

00:24:54.360 And which one was he?

00:24:55.260 Did he turn out – that was the Shiite. 1.00

00:24:57.040 The Shiite. 0.93

00:24:57.580 The Shiite. 0.93

00:24:58.180 The word Shiite Ali is the party of Ali. 0.63

00:25:01.120 Okay.

00:25:01.400 And so it's really the party, the group that didn't accept the Sunni caliphs.

00:25:07.660 Okay.

00:25:07.880 Right from the beginning at the death of Muhammad when Abu Bakr was chosen, there was a party, a Shiite Ali, that said Ali is actually the one who was chosen by Muhammad.

00:25:20.360 But Aisha, Muhammad's favorite wife, hated Ali because Aisha was at one point accused of adultery, and she was going to be executed, stoned to death. 0.84

00:25:31.160 And Muhammad was very upset because he really liked this girl and his famous child bride.

00:25:37.200 And Ali got irritated and said to Muhammad while Aisha was standing there, what difference does it make? 0.99

00:25:44.640 Let her be stoned to death. 1.00

00:25:45.740 You can always get other women. 1.00

00:25:46.860 And so she hated him with burning intensity forever after.

00:25:50.920 Yes.

00:25:51.400 And she disputed his claim that – and his group's claim, his party's claim that he had chosen the successor by Muhammad.

00:25:59.020 She denied it.

00:25:59.860 Abu Bakr was picked.

00:26:01.240 He was passed over three times.

00:26:02.740 Finally, he got it.

00:26:03.720 And then she led a rebellion against him.

00:26:06.480 And he was killed and –

00:26:08.860 Not a lot of changes in the world.

00:26:10.380 Yeah.

00:26:11.340 They're still at it.

00:26:12.460 They still hate each other.

00:26:13.400 They're still fighting.

00:26:14.060 So when did the 12th Imam come into play? 0.98

00:26:18.520 The 12th Imam was a little boy. 0.99

00:26:21.040 In Shiite Islam, the Imamate is what corresponds to the caliphate.

00:26:26.460 They don't call them caliphs, but they do consider them to be the leaders of all the Muslims, although, of course, the Sunnis, who were most of the Muslims, they discount that, and they killed most of them. 0.99

00:26:36.120 But there were 12 successors of Muhammad after Ali, and they all have to be a member of Muhammad's household because Ali was Muhammad's son-in-law.

00:26:46.980 He had married Fatima, Muhammad's daughter.

00:26:49.760 When Ali died, the Shiites considered that their imams had to be in his family.

00:26:58.200 So it was a hereditary office that was passed down from father to son.

00:27:03.220 In the case of the last imam, the 12th, he was a little boy.

00:27:08.580 He was five years old.

00:27:09.740 This is the year 874.

00:27:11.300 And he disappeared.

00:27:13.100 Probably he was killed by some Sunnis because most of the imams of the Shiites were killed by Sunnis. 0.99

00:27:19.060 But the Shiites evolved. 0.85

00:27:21.860 There was a group of adults who were actually running the show for the Shiites at this time, and they claimed that he wasn't dead, that he had just gone into occultation.

00:27:32.260 He was hidden.

00:27:33.500 And he was going to reappear at the end of the world.

00:27:37.700 And this is the kicker about that.

00:27:40.340 He's going to reappear at the end of the world when the Muslims are more persecuted than they have ever been.

00:27:45.400 And so Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, when he was president of Iran, he took that very seriously.

00:27:52.620 And he actually had a highway built from the city where the 12th imam is going to reappear to Tehran so he could get right to Tehran and get to work.

00:28:03.800 And what he's going to do is with Jesus and the Mahdi, they're going to kill the non-Muslims or convert them, and the whole world will be Shiite Islamic. 1.00

00:28:12.560 But the problem is that this is predicated on the persecution of the Muslims. 0.98

00:28:18.760 And so—

00:28:19.280 But also, because Ahmadinejad used to say at the beginning and end of every one of his speeches,

00:28:25.100 O Allah, give me the strength to hasten the return of the promised one.

00:28:28.900 To hasten the return.

00:28:30.240 Right.

00:28:30.540 To hasten it would be to—from what I understand, to wash the world in blood.

00:28:35.640 It has to be in absolute chaos.

00:28:37.520 Yes, because that's the persecution.

00:28:39.060 See, the Ayatollah Rafsanjani, one of Ahmadinejad's predecessors as president, said in the 90s,

00:28:46.280 look, we could nuke Israel and they'll be destroyed. 0.99

00:28:49.540 Right. 0.97

00:28:49.940 But we could sustain retaliatory nuclear fire, lose 15 million people, and still be here.

00:28:56.460 And that could be the persecution that triggers the return of the 12th imam. 0.96

00:29:00.960 The world awash in blood, the Muslims persecuted like never before, and here comes the boy.

00:29:05.580 What percentage of Islam—I know it would be a wild guess—believes that we need to hasten this, 0.99

00:29:15.520 that we can make this happen?

00:29:19.260 Well, probably the same percentage as those who are knowledgeable and devout,

00:29:23.540 because there are numerous hadiths in which Muhammad says, 0.97

00:29:27.320 the end times will not come until you do this, the most notorious thing being kill Jews. 1.00

00:29:33.840 The end times will not come until Muslims kill Jews, the Jews hide behind trees, 1.00

00:29:37.820 and the trees cry out, oh, Muslim, there's a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him. 1.00

00:29:41.280 So that's a clear implication that you can help to bring about the consummation of all things if you kill Jews. 1.00

00:29:48.520 So Khomeini, I think it's Khomeini, said recently that the 12th imam is alive, he has spoken to him, and he's coming soon. 0.73

00:29:57.800 Ahmed Idijad spoke that way as well, yeah.

00:29:59.740 He would go talk to him.

00:30:01.440 Yeah.

00:30:03.100 At a well where he was sighted at the well about a thousand years ago, and so that's where he would go and have chats with him.

00:30:09.560 So at some point, don't they have to produce somebody?

00:30:14.080 They might well do that.

00:30:15.460 Yeah, that could happen.

00:30:17.020 I think it would be very hard to put it over because this is going to be some sort of – it has to be some sort of a numinous eschatological being,

00:30:24.320 not just some kid that they pick and dress up in a robe.

00:30:28.140 Right.

00:30:28.560 I mean, I don't know.

00:30:29.480 Maybe they can pull it off.

00:30:30.560 Does that make them more dangerous?

00:30:32.380 Because, first of all, do they believe it?

00:30:34.500 Oh, yeah, I think they very much believe it.

00:30:35.980 How much of the Iranian population believes this?

00:30:38.880 Much less.

00:30:40.100 The mullahs believe it, but the Iranian people are so disenchanted now.

00:30:43.660 Many of them are not just against the regime, but they've left Islam as well.

00:30:47.920 And Zoroastrianism is experiencing a resurgence, and Christianity is experiencing a great period of growth in Iran now.

00:30:55.360 Let's go back in time, and let's take a look at one of the happy caliphates.

00:31:14.240 Of course, the one in Spain.

00:31:15.640 Oh, yes.

00:31:16.180 It's totally happy.

00:31:17.500 Tell me about it.

00:31:18.100 Yeah, you know, Muslim Spain is, quite a bit of the book is, well, a portion of the book is about Al-Andalus

00:31:28.040 and the occupation of Spain, the invasion of Spain, and its occupation by Muslims for 700 years.

00:31:36.000 Which they got along famously with Jews and Christians.

00:31:40.040 Yes, this is a historical myth.

00:31:41.920 What?

00:31:42.120 It didn't really happen, and I've got documentation from the primary sources in the book that remember

00:31:48.860 that the Jews and Christians have to pay the jizya with willing submission and feel themselves subdued. 0.71

00:31:53.840 That became the impetus for a series of humiliating and discriminatory regulations that denied them basic rights

00:32:00.200 in the superstructure of Islamic law.

00:32:02.700 That law was enforced in Muslim Spain, and the Jews and Christians lived a very precarious existence.

00:32:08.020 It was a center, actually, of the slave trade in the Middle Ages, especially during the time

00:32:14.620 of the Caliphate of Córdoba, which ended in 1031.

00:32:19.060 And the idea that it was wonderful and peaceful is only predicated on the fact, only when, that's

00:32:27.440 only true when the Jews and Christians knew their place, submitted to their second-class status, 1.00

00:32:31.840 and didn't rock the boat.

00:32:32.860 But in one very telling incident, in 1066, there was a Muslim ruler who placed a Jewish man 0.91

00:32:39.940 in charge of the city of Granada.

00:32:43.240 Now, this was because they were friends, and this Muslim ruler was not so by the book.

00:32:49.280 The rules are often not observed and made to be broken.

00:32:52.680 It's against Islamic law for a non-Muslim to have authority over a Muslim, but this guy went ahead and did it. 1.00

00:32:58.620 Now, the Muslims in Granada knew very well that Islamic law forbids a non-Muslim to hold authority 1.00

00:33:03.740 over a Muslim, so they were not happy with this appointment. 0.85

00:33:06.460 They rioted, they killed the man, they killed 4,000 Jews. 0.95

00:33:10.040 It was one of the most famous pogroms of the Middle Ages, and it was all because a Muslim 1.00

00:33:14.320 must not be in authority under a non-Muslim. 1.00

00:33:17.280 And when did that fall?

00:33:18.900 The, well, Spain, of course, the last holdings of Muslim Spain were conquered by Ferdinand and 1.00

00:33:25.140 Isabella in 1492.

00:33:26.400 Charlemagne, is that the Charlemagne, when he comes over the mountains to Spain, right?

00:33:31.620 Yeah, Charlemagne actually not long after the Muslims were in France, and they were defeated

00:33:38.700 by Charles Martel at Tours in 732.

00:33:42.320 Now, Charlemagne is right around 800, 798, he comes into Spain and battles with the Muslims.

00:33:49.460 This is the occasion for the Song of Roland, which became one of the epic poems of European

00:33:56.780 literature, and it recounts Charlemagne's expedition against the Muslims.

00:34:01.060 He didn't really make any headway.

00:34:03.280 It was not a successful expedition in his career.

00:34:06.860 But what stopped the spread of it into Europe?

00:34:11.960 Because if they wouldn't have been conquered, they would have obviously spread.

00:34:17.760 Charles Martel, 732 in Poitiers in France.

00:34:21.740 This is a very pivotal battle.

00:34:23.920 Edward Gibbon, the great English historian, says if Charles Martel had not won, then the

00:34:29.200 Quran would be taught, like it is today, in Oxford, and we would see minarets all over 1.00

00:34:36.080 England and all over Europe, as we do today.

00:34:38.920 And so, it postponed the Islamization of Europe by all those centuries. 0.78

00:34:43.620 Another person who had a different perspective on Charles Martel's victory was Adolf Hitler.

00:34:49.540 And he said, what a shame it was that the Muslims were stopped in France, because if they had

00:34:55.360 won there and gone ahead, they wouldn't have had any more significant obstacles.

00:34:59.800 They would have conquered and Islamized Germany. 0.98

00:35:02.060 And Islam, he said, is just the religion for a people of martial spirit like the Germans, 0.97

00:35:07.680 not this weak and flabby Christianity. 0.93

00:35:10.400 I'm going to come back to Hitler a little later. 0.95

00:35:12.880 I just want to keep on the timeline.

00:35:15.560 People would say, well, when, you know, Isabel and Ferdinand took over, well, then the evil

00:35:22.120 Christians were there.

00:35:23.260 And the evil Christians started in 14, you know, 90, what, 90, 1491. 1.00

00:35:28.100 They started the, you know, the Inquisition and things, they were deporting Jews the same

00:35:35.980 year that Christopher Columbus set off.

00:35:40.000 He had a hard time finding boats, because a lot of them had been already hired by the Jewish 1.00

00:35:44.520 community to escape from the persecution.

00:35:48.300 That's quite right.

00:35:49.140 And there's no excusing that.

00:35:50.340 But it's not as if the jihad has some monopoly on evil.

00:35:54.340 The Jewish community in Spain was persecuted by both the Muslims and the Christians.

00:36:01.020 And they did leave the domains of Ferdinand and Isabella to go to the Ottoman Empire.

00:36:07.960 Now, at the same time, we should also remember that at the beginning of the 20th century,

00:36:13.800 there were 18 million Jews in the world and 17 million were in Christian Europe and 1 million

00:36:18.620 were in the Islamic world.

00:36:19.940 And that, I think, is a testimony to the overall better treatment that they received in Europe

00:36:26.680 vis-a-vis under the Islamic, in the Islamic domains where they were subjugated as Dimmis.

00:36:33.020 When did the next caliphate happen?

00:36:35.200 Well, the caliphates, you have the four rightly guided caliphs.

00:36:39.420 And Ali dies in 661, and that's the end of the first Islamic golden age, the rightly guided 1.00

00:36:44.140 caliphate.

00:36:44.720 Then you have the Umayyads from 661 to 750. 0.97

00:36:48.820 The Umayyad caliphate is really just Muawiyah, who was the successor of Ali, making the Sunni 0.99

00:36:54.420 caliphate into hereditary succession, just like the Shiites had done. 1.00

00:36:59.220 And so his son Yazid became the next caliph and so on.

00:37:02.540 Then the Abbasids, who accused the Umayyads of being irreligious and un-Islamic, they supplanted

00:37:08.760 them in 750, and they were a great power for a period, but fell into abeyance.

00:37:16.860 It was actually, the caliphate in Spain was a renegade Umayyad prince who escaped from

00:37:23.420 the Abbasid domains after the fall of the Umayyad caliphate, went to Spain and set up

00:37:28.580 his own little Umayyad caliphate there.

00:37:31.280 And so the Umayyads persisted in Spain until, as I said, 1031. 1.00

00:37:34.620 The Abbasids were more of a spent force. 1.00

00:37:40.080 By the middle of the 13th century, it was more of a name than a power.

00:37:46.660 The Muslim domains were expanding in India, and you have in the 12th century, the early

00:37:54.520 13th century, the Indian Muslim rulers were very anxious to get the approval of the Abbasid

00:38:00.780 caliphate and to submit to him, the Abbasid caliph.

00:38:03.900 But later on, when you have the Mughal emperors in the 15th century, the 16th century in India,

00:38:11.680 very brutal and bloody jihad warfare there against the Hindus because they're not people

00:38:15.460 of the book, they didn't pay attention to the caliphates at all.

00:38:19.840 They were just on their own.

00:38:21.400 And the idea that every Sunni Muslim must submit, or every Muslim must submit in Sunni 0.97

00:38:26.800 theology to the authority of the caliph has always been more on paper than in reality.

00:38:31.260 But I think probably never more so than when the Indian Muslims were going their own way 1.00

00:38:37.680 and ignoring the first the Abbasids and then the Ottomans.

00:38:40.680 They actually fought with the Ottomans a bit.

00:38:43.160 We get to the America's first war, foreign power, war with a foreign power, was the Barbary

00:38:53.560 pirates.

00:38:54.000 Yes, indeed.

00:38:55.740 And there's this idea that Thomas Jefferson got the Koran because he's such a scholarly

00:39:03.400 man.

00:39:04.140 And he just, you know, he loved to read about all religions.

00:39:07.220 And, you know, he was a universalist, so he didn't really believe in anything.

00:39:12.180 And he got the Koran.

00:39:13.400 And that really helped him write the Declaration of Independence.

00:39:16.260 Do you know the date of when Thomas Jefferson got the Koran and why he got the Koran?

00:39:22.760 I believe he got it in 1804.

00:39:26.220 But I'm not sure entirely about that.

00:39:28.220 But I know that he got it in order to understand the Barbary pirates.

00:39:32.720 Because actually he and John Adams, before he was president, had gone to London.

00:39:38.640 And in London, there was arranged a meeting between Jefferson Adams and the Moroccan ambassador

00:39:44.840 to England.

00:39:46.280 And they asked him, what are you doing?

00:39:48.740 You know, we have no bellicose intentions against Morocco.

00:39:52.460 Why are you fighting us?

00:39:53.840 Why are you attacking our shipping?

00:39:55.080 And they wrote a report to Congress in which they said, the ambassador answered us that

00:40:01.680 it was founded on the laws of the prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all

00:40:06.220 nations who should not have answered their authority were sinners, that it was their right 0.82

00:40:11.740 and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found and to make slaves of all they 0.99

00:40:17.100 could take as prisoners, and that every Muslim who should be slain in battle was sure to go to 1.00

00:40:21.520 paradise. 0.97

00:40:21.820 People don't know that our Marines are called leathernecks.

00:40:26.320 Yes. 0.97

00:40:27.100 Because they put leather around their necks so they wouldn't be beheaded by the Muslims. 1.00

00:40:30.820 When you meet the unbelievers, strike the necks, Koran 47.4. 1.00

00:40:35.820 I have the first Koran printed in the United States.

00:40:41.340 I think it's 1805, 1806.

00:40:43.940 And it was at the request of Jefferson.

00:40:46.380 Um, and what he was saying was, everybody has to read this.

00:40:52.000 He didn't take quotes.

00:40:53.600 He didn't take it out of context.

00:40:55.280 He said, we have to publish this entire book because you have to see what they say.

00:41:01.420 And in fact, I have, I have, this is just, these are the first three pages of it.

00:41:06.700 Um, and it, it starts to the reader.

00:41:11.760 And if you read it, it says, you got to look at this book.

00:41:14.800 You got to read this book.

00:41:16.280 Um, and you have to read what's really in it.

00:41:19.940 And, but, but at the end here, it says, you're not going to believe the absurdities that are

00:41:27.320 in this book and how it is infected the minds of so many people all around the world.

00:41:34.800 It's while this preface is here, it's not like today when people are just picking and

00:41:42.360 choosing words.

00:41:43.500 He, back then he was telling the American people, you have to know all of it.

00:41:50.040 Yes.

00:41:50.220 It's a warning.

00:41:50.980 Right.

00:41:51.500 And he, cause he said after the Barbary pirates, the war with the Barbary pirates, it was very

00:41:57.740 clear, at least of Adams and Jefferson and all those involved, this is coming again.

00:42:04.360 And it has.

00:42:05.280 So the, let's, let's skip ahead into the, into the next century.

00:42:14.360 Um, let's just go to, uh, uh, let's go to the Ottoman empire.

00:42:19.500 Ottoman empire starts 13.

00:42:21.900 Yeah.

00:42:22.060 Middle of the 1300s.

00:42:23.280 Okay.

00:42:23.860 And it's still going strong.

00:42:25.900 World war two.

00:42:27.280 It's world war one or world war one.

00:42:28.660 I'm sorry.

00:42:29.060 World war one.

00:42:29.620 It's still, it's still there.

00:42:30.860 Um, and, uh, it is, encompasses what at that point?

00:42:38.520 By the time of world war one, it is Turkey, what is now Turkey and the, uh, Middle East going 0.84

00:42:46.340 down, uh, encompassing Lebanon, Syria, Israel, and, uh, ending at Egypt.

00:42:53.280 It claimed Egypt and North Africa, but they had for many years previous been essentially

00:42:59.220 independent.

00:42:59.600 And going East, how far East into Iraq.

00:43:03.220 And that's about it.

00:43:04.280 It bordered Iran and stopped there.

00:43:07.520 Okay.

00:43:08.060 And they still deny it to this day.

00:43:10.900 Um, the Armenian genocide.

00:43:13.800 Yes, they do. 0.96

00:43:14.300 Where they are scooping up Christians, uh, and slaughtering Christians, anybody who isn't 1.00

00:43:21.040 Muslim or Muslim enough. 0.97

00:43:23.420 Well, it was, it was primarily, it was a Christian targeting because the Christians were considered

00:43:30.880 Kufar Harbi, infidels at war with Islam because the Ottoman empire, of course, enforced the 1.00

00:43:38.100 Dimma, the contract of protection in which the Christians were submitting, paying the jizya 0.98

00:43:42.480 and so on.

00:43:43.160 Then they abolished that under Western pressure, pressure from Britain and France in 1856, but

00:43:50.400 they still oppressed the Christians. 0.82

00:43:52.960 And of course, the Greeks won their independence in 1821.

00:43:56.480 And the Greeks in Asia Minor wanted to join independent Greece.

00:44:00.260 The Armenians wanted their own state.

00:44:03.000 And so because they were rebelling against the authority of the caliph, they were considered

00:44:08.280 to be Kufar Harbi, infidels at war with Islam, and thus could be killed. 0.97

00:44:12.920 And so the genocide was exclusively Muslims killing Christians because the Christians were 0.96

00:44:19.600 considered lawfully to be killed for having rebelled against the legitimate authority.

00:44:24.960 Were there any Muslims at the time standing up against any of these things?

00:44:27.900 Not in any significant way.

00:44:29.500 There's a very horrible story of an old woman and she is at her house.

00:44:36.320 Her husband comes home. 0.97

00:44:37.820 He's been at the mosque and he says, the imam told me I have to kill our Christian neighbors. 0.98

00:44:43.560 And she says, what are you talking about? 0.96

00:44:45.480 These people have been our neighbors for 30 years.

00:44:47.520 We're friends with them.

00:44:48.780 We've been at their house.

00:44:49.800 They've been here. 1.00

00:44:50.720 You're going to go and kill them? 1.00

00:44:51.660 I have to. 1.00

00:44:52.460 The imam told me to.

00:44:53.540 And he went over and did it.

00:44:55.280 Now, there was that kind of resistance that people thought that the commands they were being

00:44:59.300 given was appalling, but the people who were saying that were not in any positions of power

00:45:03.620 and never were able to stop it.

00:45:05.440 So it's kind of like the Germans in Germany where there was resistance, but it wasn't effective.

00:45:11.500 Yes, that's right.

00:45:12.280 Yeah, okay.

00:45:12.980 It was, yeah.

00:45:14.040 There were people who were disgusted by the whole thing, but they were powerless.

00:45:17.320 But the reason why I bring up the martyrdom of all of the Christians in Turkey is because

00:45:25.580 Hitler sees that and uses that as the example of the world doesn't care. 0.91

00:45:32.600 I mean, I can do anything.

00:45:33.840 I could gas all of these people and the world won't care.

00:45:37.180 Not only that, but the Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini, lived in Berlin during the war.

00:45:42.640 He was very close friends with Adolf Eichmann and Heinrich Himmler, and I believe it was

00:45:48.380 Eichmann's adjutant who testified at Nuremberg that the idea for the gas chambers and the

00:45:55.560 exhortations to gas and kill millions of Jews came from the Mufti of Jerusalem.

00:46:02.740 So I don't want to get into the whole theory here, but I've studied the Holocaust, not just

00:46:11.100 that one, but all of them.

00:46:12.880 And I have this theory that evil knows when it's been bested, and it jumps to the next

00:46:21.440 place and plants the seed in the next place.

00:46:24.100 And I find it fascinating because I could see that jump in every single stop, and it always

00:46:30.040 takes pieces of the last Holocaust with it, okay? 0.89

00:46:34.640 And then it learns, it mutates, it gets a little stronger, a little better, a little slicker,

00:46:38.300 and then it does it again.

00:46:40.240 The last time we saw it was with the Germans, and it jumped and planted those seeds in the 1.00

00:46:46.560 Middle East, where we're now seeing such anti-Semitism.

00:46:51.120 Well, anti-Semitism has always been in Islam. 1.00

00:46:53.600 In the Quran, the worst enemies of the Muslims are the Jews.

00:46:56.080 That's chapter 5, verse 82. 0.99

00:46:57.240 And Allah transforms the Sabbath-breaking Jews into apes and pigs, which is rhetoric that 0.99

00:47:03.060 the jihadis use today, calling Jews apes and pigs. 1.00

00:47:05.800 Correct. 0.97

00:47:06.320 Chapter 2, 63 to 65, 5, 59, and 60, and 7, 166.

00:47:10.360 The Jews are depicted as scheming against the Muslims, as hating Allah, as killing the prophets,

00:47:16.540 and deserving and being under Allah's curse. 0.99

00:47:19.120 Right.

00:47:19.280 I'm not saying that it was a hard sell.

00:47:20.820 Well, I'm just saying, for instance, the name Persia.

00:47:26.340 Where did the name Persia go?

00:47:27.760 Yes.

00:47:28.120 That's quite so.

00:47:29.020 Why is Iran called Iran?

00:47:31.120 Reza Shah changed the name of the country in 1935 to Iran to emphasize that it was an Aryan

00:47:37.640 nation.

00:47:38.440 Almost as a gift to Adolf Hitler, we're on the same side. 0.92

00:47:42.440 We are.

00:47:42.820 Yes.

00:47:43.160 But they believe we believe.

00:47:45.200 They had plans, actually.

00:47:46.340 My cousin is married to an Iranian Jew, and he told me that the people, they had a department

00:47:55.540 store in Tehran, and during the war, people would come to their house and say, when the

00:48:01.540 Germans get here, can we have your furniture?

00:48:03.320 You have such a nice place here.

00:48:04.860 Oh, my God.

00:48:05.460 Yeah.

00:48:05.800 It's a true story.

00:48:07.060 And the thing is that they really had plans to break through the Caucasus and then go south 0.95

00:48:12.620 and kill the Jews in Palestine for the Mufti and the Jews in Iran for the Shah. 0.82

00:48:19.760 Now, this is the same general time period that the Muslim Brotherhood, which we learned from 0.99

00:48:24.480 John Brennan, is a largely secular group, just like the Knights of Columbus.

00:48:29.940 They have nothing to do with Catholicism.

00:48:32.060 1928, the Muslim Brotherhood was founded.

00:48:33.760 Okay.

00:48:34.120 And why were they founded in whoever?

00:48:35.480 Or the Ottoman Caliphate was abolished by the secular Turkish government.

00:48:39.120 And so it was founded directly in order to restore the Caliphate. 0.71

00:48:44.020 That has always been their central aspiration. 0.95

00:48:46.840 And so the idea that it's a secular organization is just wildly ridiculous. 0.84

00:48:51.760 So why did we hear that? 0.84

00:48:53.480 Because we heard that from John Brennan.

00:48:56.220 The director of national intelligence.

00:48:57.540 It was a Clapper.

00:48:58.380 I thought it was Brennan.

00:48:58.960 But we also heard, and you would know, we look back and we can find Clinton as the first

00:49:09.560 kind of change of history saying that the people who are doing jihad, that's a perversion of Islam. 0.59

00:49:23.340 He was the first one, really, as far as presidents of the United States go.

00:49:26.500 So Franklin Delano Roosevelt, he knew full well what jihad was.

00:49:30.500 And a group of Zionists came to him and said, we want to establish the state of Israel.

00:49:34.000 And he said, are you trying to start a holy jihad?

00:49:36.880 And he knew full well what would happen.

00:49:39.200 And he was not in favor of it.

00:49:41.800 Right.

00:49:42.420 To his credit, his successor, of course, went ahead.

00:49:46.360 But he never, Franklin Roosevelt never said, oh, jihad is peace.

00:49:51.320 You have nothing to worry about.

00:49:52.380 Jihad is an interior spiritual struggle.

00:49:53.920 It was Clinton during – at the time when the Khobar Towers was attacked and the USS Cole was attacked.

00:50:00.800 There were several major jihad attacks in the 90s.

00:50:03.440 And that was the beginning of all the Islam is peace business that, of course, George W. Bush ratified right after 9-11. 0.67

00:50:09.880 So Hitler writes Mein Kampf, which translated means –

00:50:13.640 My jihad.

00:50:14.260 My jihad, my struggle.

00:50:17.580 Coincidence?

00:50:18.020 I don't think so.

00:50:19.800 He admired – as we know, I already quoted earlier, he admired the Muslims and Islam.

00:50:24.800 And he liked the idea of a warlike, martial, violent, expansionist religion.

00:50:30.180 Okay.

00:50:30.840 So he knew it.

00:50:34.880 The jihadis declare it.

00:50:37.360 When did that get lost?

00:50:39.980 How did that get lost?

00:50:41.180 How is it that we get – how is it we get to knowing exactly what this is, to President Clinton being the first one, and then George W. Bush, all of them now, are coming out and saying, no, no, no, jihad is an inner struggle.

00:50:57.780 There has been an extensive public relations effort.

00:51:01.040 This is probably the most successful public relations propaganda effort in the history of the world.

00:51:06.760 Now, maybe you could say selling Hitler to the Germans or something.

00:51:09.900 I understand that that was also the use of very skillful propaganda.

00:51:12.700 But this is something on that scale, that Islamic advocacy groups have been able to portray themselves as victims, to portray Muslims in the United States as a despised, persecuted, harassed, victimized class that deserves special accommodation and attention. 0.98

00:51:30.460 Now, of course, no hate crimes against anybody are ever justified.

00:51:33.560 But the idea that Muslims are the victims of wholesale hate crimes in the United States is sheer fiction.

00:51:38.500 The FBI statistics show that they're way far down on the list of those who are commonly victims of hate crimes.

00:51:45.400 And yet there's much more attention given to them because this is in order to score political points and to manipulate people into thinking that to oppose the Muslim Brotherhood groups in the United States, to oppose Islamization, to oppose Sharia, even to oppose jihad terror is somehow to endanger innocent Muslims.

00:52:02.860 And thus we must not and always must say how wonderful Islam is whenever we are saying anything in this subject matter at all.

00:52:10.240 So I wrote the book, It Is About Islam.

00:52:25.020 It's not Islam. 1.00

00:52:26.260 It is about Islam.

00:52:27.160 Yes, it is.

00:52:28.180 We may disagree on this.

00:52:29.720 I believe there is a difference between the people who, because I have friends, Zutty Jester is a good friend of mine, who, they're Muslim, they read the book the way they want to read the book, and they are, they leave out, just like many people leave out Christians, will leave out the Old Testament.

00:52:55.500 Well, that doesn't really matter.

00:52:56.460 No, it does.

00:52:57.520 It does.

00:52:58.340 And if you don't understand the relationship of the Old Testament and the New Testament, you don't, you can't say that you're fully Christian because you don't understand Jesus was a Jew. 0.59

00:53:11.740 You know, he was practicing this.

00:53:14.100 There is a new covenant that changes things.

00:53:16.060 Yes.

00:53:16.400 Or Jews that read the Old Testament, and, you know, they're not taking an eye for an eye because they have, they read it in a different way. 0.95

00:53:24.320 The difference here is there are two groups, in my opinion, those who are Muslim and read it the way they want to read it in a more of a reformed modern way.

00:53:37.620 And those who are Islamists, who say, that's not what the book says, and it has to be this way, because it's always been this way, and we will take you back to the 7th century, because that's what it says.

00:53:53.420 Yeah.

00:53:53.620 And it's about state control.

00:53:56.520 Well, I'll tell you, there have always been Muslims who have not waged jihad. 1.00

00:54:00.020 But one notable thing that's absent from this book is any organized Muslim movement against the jihadis.

00:54:07.200 They have never stood in the way.

00:54:09.520 It's kind of like the Bolsheviks and the Mensheviks. 0.74

00:54:11.840 The Bolsheviks were never the majority party in Russia, but they were the organized, energized, vanguard, and they were ruthless. 0.75

00:54:18.540 And so they were able to carry the day.

00:54:20.720 And you may be able to say that jihadis were never the majority of Muslims, but they are organized, energized, and ruthless, and they have carried the day. 0.96

00:54:30.260 And also, as you have noted, they do have the texts on their side, and so they can always point to Muslims who don't pay attention to those inconvenient passages and say, you're not being loyal, you are not being obedient.

00:54:41.940 I don't think Zudy Jasser has any doubt that if the peaceful Muslims don't stand together, he'll be the first to go. 1.00

00:54:54.560 I mean, they'll come, you know, and yeah, sure, they'll blow us all up, but when they make a long list, first on Santa's naughty list, are people who are saying, no, that's not what Islam is. 1.00

00:55:06.180 Well, look at Mahmoud Muhammad Taha, 1985 in Sudan.

00:55:09.760 He taught that the peaceful passages of the Quran should supersede the violent ones instead of the other way around, which is traditionally the way that they've been interpreted in Islamic theology.

00:55:19.340 And he was hanged as a heretic by the Sudanese government. 0.98

00:55:21.700 There's also a great man in Morocco right now, Ahmed Asid, who is a human rights activist who has said the same thing.

00:55:28.860 And because he said the same thing, that the peaceful passages should supersede the violent ones instead of the other way around, he now lives under death threat.

00:55:36.400 They've been fatwas calling for his head, and he can't move around freely.

00:55:39.840 Explain why, explain why that, that law, how that law works, that's the most violent. 0.53

00:55:47.840 Chapter 2, verse 106 of the Quran says, whenever we abrogate or cause to be forgotten a passage, then we will give you one that's just as good or better.

00:55:55.860 Now, this is obviously sounds to me like somebody's trying to paper over his mistakes, that he's saying that I'm going to have to cancel some things that I told you before, and I'll give you some things that are better instead.

00:56:07.140 So don't worry about it.

00:56:37.120 Ibn Ishaq, Muhammad's first biographer, in the middle of the 8th century, wrote that there are three stages of development in the Quran's teachings on unbelievers.

00:56:47.780 First, we tolerated them, but then came the commands to defend ourselves against them when they are attacking us, and then finally the command to fight until religion is all for Allah, and that's offensive jihad. 0.95

00:57:00.480 That is the, he said, the situation that prevails for all time, whereas the others are only for particular places, or particular situations.

00:57:11.640 If the Muslims are a weak, small, powerless group, as they were when Muhammad first started, then they preach tolerance.

00:57:18.440 But then the other stages will kick in later.

00:57:20.300 Can we go off the chart for just a sec?

00:57:24.180 One last question, then I want to come to today.

00:57:29.040 My first understanding of Islam as, you know, a man in his 50s and, you know, not paying attention most of his life was 1979.

00:57:43.000 Sure.

00:57:43.300 And the Islamic takeover. 0.95

00:57:45.160 And then I think my next memory is Salman Rushdie.

00:57:49.940 I remember I was young and I went out and I bought a copy of that book just because somebody's going to get killed for this.

00:57:58.440 Yes.

00:57:58.840 You know, can you explain what the satanic verses really are?

00:58:04.240 Yeah, absolutely.

00:58:05.360 The novel, of course, is based on a genuine incident from Islamic tradition in which Muhammad was very troubled by the fact that he had not been able to convince the Quraysh, his native tribe, to believe in his prophetic claim.

00:58:19.220 So he got a revelation.

00:58:22.280 And this was one that he knew was coming.

00:58:24.300 He told the Quraysh to come because he had important news. 0.96

00:58:28.580 And he got this revelation that then it went like this.

00:58:32.180 Have you seen Al-At, Al-Uzza, and Manat?

00:58:37.280 They are the exalted cranes worthy of veneration.

00:58:40.940 Now, Al-At, Al-Uzza, and Manat were the three goddesses of the Quraysh. 0.82

00:58:44.800 And he's saying that they are exalted and worthy of veneration.

00:58:48.420 They are the daughters of Allah, essentially.

00:58:51.180 You can pray to them.

00:58:52.880 And so the Quraysh were delighted.

00:58:54.260 They prostrated themselves in prayer with the Muslims.

00:58:57.000 Word went out.

00:58:57.660 The Quraysh had become Muslim.

00:58:59.160 Everybody was happy.

00:59:00.580 Except Muhammad. 0.95

00:59:01.400 He was mortified when he realized, wait a minute, all this time I've been preaching an uncompromising monotheism.

00:59:07.660 That there is only Allah. 0.99

00:59:09.780 And that all the other gods are not gods at all.

00:59:12.680 They're fictions or they're demons.

00:59:14.100 And now I'm saying that there are four gods.

00:59:16.780 Allah and his three daughters.

00:59:18.860 So he had to think of something.

00:59:21.000 And what he thought of was that Satan had inspired him when he got this revelation.

00:59:27.080 So now if you read chapter 53 of the Qur'an, it says, have you considered Al-At, Al-Uzza, and Manat?

00:59:34.620 What?

00:59:36.300 He has daughters and you have sons?

00:59:38.400 That is an unfair arrangement.

00:59:40.040 And what it means is that it's saying, have you thought about these three goddesses?

00:59:44.640 Isn't it silly that you would say that Allah has daughters when you have sons?

00:59:47.840 Because, of course, sons are better than daughters in this view.

00:59:51.020 And so it's making fun of the Qur'an for thinking that Allah has daughters.

00:59:56.980 But the original passage was celebrating them.

01:00:00.640 And he said he was inspired by Satan when he got that.

01:00:04.300 And that, of course, is extraordinarily problematic for Islamic apologists.

01:00:08.340 Most of the time they say this never happened at all and was an invention.

01:00:12.400 The problem is it's in Islamic texts.

01:00:14.220 It's in Islamic sources.

01:00:15.560 It's not something that you find in non-Muslim sources.

01:00:18.300 It didn't come from non-Muslims.

01:00:19.820 It was a story that circulated among Muslims.

01:00:22.740 Same time period, though?

01:00:24.000 Well, all of the Hadith come from the 9th century.

01:00:28.240 And that is another big problem for Islam because Muhammad lived in the 7th century. 0.99

01:00:33.480 Right.

01:00:33.760 So you've got 200 years.

01:00:35.320 Yes.

01:00:35.520 So you don't really know if that happened.

01:00:37.260 I actually wrote a book a few years ago called Did Muhammad Exist, where I examined this at length.

01:00:42.860 And I think that there was probably a person named Muhammad, but that virtually everything we know about him is legend that we cannot verify.

01:00:50.800 Because for the first 60 years of the Islamic conquests, there's no mention of a new religion, a new prophet, or a new holy book.

01:00:59.240 There's plenty.

01:01:00.020 I have it in the book.

01:01:00.780 For example, when they entered Jerusalem, Sophronius, the patriarch of Jerusalem, wrote numerous sermons and essays about the conquerors and how they had laid waste and burned churches and how terrible what had happened was.

01:01:13.120 And he never mentions Islam, the Quran, or Muhammad.

01:01:16.660 He never gives a hint that they have a new religion.

01:01:18.820 And that is universally true of all the early historians who write about this at the time.

01:01:24.740 It's only much later we start hearing about Muhammad and Islam.

01:01:28.740 And even later than that, do we get all these stories?

01:01:32.220 And people say, well, it's just oral tradition.

01:01:35.760 But if it were oral tradition, then somebody would have at least mentioned its existence.

01:01:39.520 But wouldn't have, I mean, couldn't you say the same thing?

01:01:41.380 I mean, the only outside evidence of Christ from the time is Josephus.

01:01:48.920 Sure.

01:01:49.360 And he didn't say he was a Christ starting newly.

01:01:51.220 He said he claimed this new guy living, you know, all these crazy people up in the hills.

01:01:55.160 Here's another one that's claimed he's the Messiah.

01:01:56.800 But there isn't any inside evidence either.

01:01:58.300 See, in Christianity, in the New Testament, you've got – in the first place, let me say one thing.

01:02:04.260 They're completely separate issues.

01:02:06.340 And when I was talking about did Muhammad exist on a lot of shows back then, people would always bring up Christianity.

01:02:11.860 And it's a separate issue.

01:02:12.900 Christianity may be complete fiction, but that's irrelevant to the question at hand.

01:02:17.760 But in any case, now that we're in it, the fact is that the New Testament writings were all extant and were being quoted by Clement of Rome,

01:02:27.120 Ignatius of Antioch, the people at the end of the first century and the beginning of the second.

01:02:31.440 And they got some of the New Testament and they're quoting it.

01:02:34.760 But there isn't any internal evidence for Islam.

01:02:37.880 There is no writing from the first 60 years.

01:02:41.300 There isn't – people say, well, the Koran was written then.

01:02:43.760 Okay, here's one for you.

01:02:45.080 The Koran is supposed to have been collected together by Uthman in 653, the caliph, and distributed to the provinces.

01:02:51.840 And yet nobody quotes it or mentions its existence for another 50 years.

01:02:56.220 And there's another thing about the Koran.

01:02:58.960 Abdul Malik, who was caliph from 685 to 705, he says, I'm afraid I'm going to die during Ramadan.

01:03:07.300 Because I was born during Ramadan, I became caliph during Ramadan, and I collected the Koran during Ramadan. 0.90

01:03:13.580 Now, why would anybody invent that if Uthman was known to have collected the Koran 40 years previous? 0.97

01:03:22.440 But it's much more likely that since in light of the fact that there's no mention of the Koran,

01:03:27.480 that Abdul Malik actually collected the Koran, as he said, and distributed it.

01:03:32.260 And in order to give it an air of authenticity, attributed the work to Uthman.

01:03:35.980 But why would he be celebrating Ramadan if he didn't know of Islam?

01:03:42.380 Ramadan existed before Islam.

01:03:44.540 It's not an Islamic holiday.

01:03:46.520 It's a month of the calendar that was there already.

01:03:52.180 But it's celebrated for the month.

01:03:57.220 There's rituals.

01:03:58.940 Were there rituals before the Koran?

01:04:02.980 A lot of the things that are Islamic were there already.

01:04:06.100 You know, the Kaaba was there, obviously, because that's a central point of Islamic history,

01:04:11.280 that Muhammad cleansed the Kaaba of all the idols. 0.99

01:04:14.300 And a lot of the things that are Islamic for us were taken over by Islam and Islamized. 0.96

01:04:19.700 Didn't know that about the Ramadan.

01:04:21.180 Didn't know that.

01:04:21.880 Well, see, I think it makes a whole lot more sense.

01:04:23.920 I know we're getting a little bit into the weeds, and I won't keep pressing it.

01:04:27.320 But the historicity of Muhammad is very shaky.

01:04:31.480 And maybe we can talk about did Muhammad exist sometime.

01:04:35.940 You know, if we want to live, we probably shouldn't.

01:04:38.860 Well, I'm way past that myself.

01:04:40.680 Yeah, I know.

01:04:40.960 Let me take you to today and our intentional blindness.

01:04:55.120 We are, well, we just had somebody who was apparently training children to kill children in a school.

01:05:05.380 Yes.

01:05:05.660 And they found bones of a child in the back, and the judge didn't even issue bail.

01:05:13.720 Just said, on your good name.

01:05:16.980 What good name?

01:05:17.920 Because the defendant's lawyers claimed that the whole thing was about Islamophobia, and the judge fell for it.

01:05:25.600 This shows this power, what I was talking about, about this victimhood posturing.

01:05:29.420 It's very powerful, and it can get you things like getting these people free when they should not have been freed.

01:05:35.800 But no thinking person can see the guy who testified as a character reference for the blind shake and was like, no, no, he's just doing what Allah told him to do.

01:05:46.740 And his grandchildren have to be moved to the middle of the desert because they're too radical for Western society.

01:05:57.980 That his son is raising the grandchildren in this training camp, and there's a body buried.

01:06:05.420 What part of this doesn't reason click in and go, you know what?

01:06:10.960 That probably had – there's probably a lot of truth here.

01:06:15.460 It's been ingrained in people now, especially on the left.

01:06:18.680 We have to protect Islam here.

01:06:20.040 We can't get anybody thinking negatively about Islam.

01:06:22.680 But how –

01:06:23.180 And you hit it right there.

01:06:25.520 Siraj Wahaj, the unindicted co-conspirator in the World Trade Center bombing.

01:06:30.420 He's one of the most prominent and respected imams in the country.

01:06:33.140 He gave the first Muslim prayer in the House of Representatives, and he's spoken at all the major Muslim organizations, CARE, ISNA, all of them.

01:06:42.780 And Linda Sarsour calls him her mentor.

01:06:45.540 So you have somebody that tied in.

01:06:48.520 You want to downplay and bury this story because it's going to reflect poorly on the entire Muslim community in the U.S.

01:06:54.680 Let's go to Linda Sarsour here a sec.

01:06:56.360 We have her on tape at the ISNA conference saying – this is my mentor.

01:07:01.340 He calls me all the time.

01:07:02.360 He keeps talking about that.

01:07:03.020 His son is the guy who's in the desert.

01:07:06.260 It's his son.

01:07:06.980 That's why they've got to bury the story.

01:07:08.160 Right.

01:07:08.680 I'm not seeing that anywhere.

01:07:11.020 But that's just one.

01:07:12.720 You then have Linda Sarsour and all the women leadership going to Louis Farrakhan and listening to Louis Farrakhan.

01:07:20.620 Now, there's two strikes.

01:07:21.780 We have a history of Linda Sarsour that her – what is it?

01:07:28.020 Her cousins are in jail for terrorism.

01:07:30.200 That's right.

01:07:31.520 Hamas. 0.73

01:07:32.100 Right.

01:07:34.220 And the left – the women's organization, the LGBT organizations embrace these people when there is clear-cut evidence. 0.99

01:07:48.940 Oh, they'll kill you before they kill me. 0.99

01:07:50.520 Oh, yeah. 1.00

01:07:51.040 Oh, yeah.

01:07:51.780 I'll tell you something.

01:07:52.560 I was speaking last year at the university at Buffalo, but I really didn't speak.

01:07:56.540 I just got yelled at for an hour and a half.

01:07:58.440 And I was standing there, and every now and then I would say something.

01:08:01.460 But most of the time they were just yelling too loud.

01:08:03.680 I couldn't say anything.

01:08:04.480 But there was a young man in the audience.

01:08:06.440 He had a sign that said, Queers Against Islamophobia.

01:08:09.140 And so, I had a manual of Islamic law with me, certified by al-Azhar, the foremost institution in Sunni Islam, where Barack Obama went to give his outreach speech to the Muslim world in 2009. 0.96

01:08:21.520 And I opened it up and I started to read about how the homosexual should be killed, should be put to death, both him who gives and him who receives, the whole thing, very set out. 0.99

01:08:31.160 And the whole place started to boo and boo and boo. 0.99

01:08:34.580 And I held up the book.

01:08:35.420 I said, You think I wrote this?

01:08:37.000 You think this comes from me?

01:08:38.300 And a young man came over in a kufi and a kaftan with the beard, and he hugged the Queers Against Islamophobia guy and said, This is my best friend.

01:08:48.180 And I said, Look, I didn't originate these laws.

01:08:52.040 Gays are being killed, put to death in Iran, in Saudi Arabia, in the ISIS domains, elsewhere, anywhere where Sharia is implemented. 0.89

01:09:00.100 And you're completely inured to reality here. 0.97

01:09:03.820 You're living in a fantasy world.

01:09:05.160 But the thing is, I think that the left in America really does hate America so much that they see this force that has been arrayed against Judeo-Christian Western civilization for 1,400 years, and they see an ally.

01:09:18.660 That's a pretty big charge.

01:09:20.340 Yeah.

01:09:20.720 How about this one?

01:09:21.420 They see an ally, and they think that the people that are here that are, you know, Linda Sarsour behind a mask, they're different.

01:09:35.820 Yeah, I think they do think they're different.

01:09:37.380 Yeah.

01:09:37.780 But I also do think they hate America and the West.

01:09:40.380 Oh, I agree with you on that.

01:09:42.340 But, I mean, I sat with GLAAD.

01:09:44.820 I went to New York, and I asked for a meeting of the leadership of GLAAD. 0.71

01:09:49.040 And this is when they were just, they were pushing homosexuals off roofs, you know, in Tehran.

01:09:55.440 And, you know, I sat down, showed them pictures, and I said, Come on, we're going to argue about cakes all day. 0.95

01:10:00.780 But what do you say we save some homosexuals? 1.00

01:10:02.840 Yeah. 0.94

01:10:03.700 They had wanted nothing to do with it.

01:10:05.420 Yeah, it's incredible.

01:10:06.640 It really is.

01:10:07.320 And I think it shows, I do think it's revealing of their real priorities.

01:10:11.320 It's the same thing with the feminists. 1.00

01:10:13.020 And exalting Linda Sarsour, making her the leader of the Women's March on Washington after Trump was inaugurated.

01:10:19.940 And this is somebody who wears hijab.

01:10:22.400 Now, there have been women who've been killed for not wearing hijab. 0.96

01:10:26.380 I know.

01:10:26.780 The people, there's a widespread myth that women who wear hijab are constantly harassed in the United States. 1.00

01:10:32.620 Most of the stories have turned out to be fabricated.

01:10:34.600 Yeah.

01:10:34.740 And I've just posted a video just recently of a woman in Saudi Arabia, I believe it was, the four women in a car, in a car, not wearing the hijab.

01:10:47.340 That was Iran. 0.97

01:10:48.160 It was Iran. 0.80

01:10:48.920 Yeah.

01:10:49.160 And this woman stops, gets out, and she just starts berating them. 1.00

01:10:55.300 And, you know, I think she's saying you should die for what they're doing.

01:10:59.520 They're getting 10-year prison sentences in Iran for going without the hijab in public, which many women are doing, despite the risks, because they hate the regime so much.

01:11:08.200 And yet this – and so that – they're the real women's rights heroes.

01:11:11.580 But the idea that to wear the hijab is somehow compatible with feminism is a misunderstanding of what – you know the hijab is – what the hijab is for. 0.98

01:11:21.640 No.

01:11:22.920 It's a woman's responsibility to make sure a man's not tempted. 1.00

01:11:25.720 Oh, yeah.

01:11:26.080 She has to remove the temptation.

01:11:28.020 And if she doesn't, it's her fault. 0.99

01:11:29.900 So she's liable to get killed if the man goes ahead and rapes her anyway or attacks her. 1.00

01:11:34.680 And so it's an extraordinarily misogynist statement, not a feminist one at all. 0.86

01:11:40.720 I've heard some things that – I think it would make some people angry, some things that people would maybe disagree with, some things that people should do their own homework and go, wait a minute, he said this.

01:11:54.180 Let me look that up and go to original sources.

01:11:57.240 Yes.

01:11:57.460 But I haven't heard anything here that makes me say – well, I don't know anything that would make me say this – that you should be silenced.

01:12:09.540 Well, obviously I don't think I should.

01:12:11.380 But I think that anyone who speaks honestly about the nature of this threat and the fact that there are elements of Islam that give rise to violence – this doesn't mean every Muslim is violent, but that the ones who are are able to justify their actions by recourse to the holy texts. 0.98

01:12:26.080 Anybody who speaks honestly about that is nowadays systematically targeted and vilified with an attempt to destroy and completely discredit him.

01:12:36.060 Are we in McCarthy times?

01:12:41.200 Oh, yeah.

01:12:41.700 This is worse than McCarthyism.

01:12:43.720 Those guys could work.

01:12:45.600 They may have worked under pseudonyms, but they could work.

01:12:48.840 I mean I'm still doing this, but there's no chance I could get any other kind of work, even under a pseudonym, because it would be ultimately discovered and then that would be that.

01:12:57.600 And the idea that speaking honestly about the derivations of the jihad threat and its nature and magnitude today renders one a social pariah, I think is ridiculous and evidence of how topsy-turvy the world is. 0.86

01:13:11.100 But that's how it is.

01:13:12.180 You say it's worse than communism.

01:13:17.500 I fear we are headed towards the burning of Alexandria.

01:13:21.140 Yeah, absolutely, yeah. 0.72

01:13:22.840 That there is – what we have now is it's a kind of a mob, a Salem witch trials kind of atmosphere, hysteria, and you are either in the group or you're not, and if you're not, you must be destroyed.

01:13:34.840 And it's an anti-intellectual –

01:13:36.220 But also the information – tell the story of the burning of the Library of Alexandria.

01:13:40.620 Yeah, the Caliph Umar, the second successor, the second Caliph, he burned the Library of Alexandria when he invaded Egypt. 0.95

01:13:50.060 And people asked him, you know, what are you doing burning the library?

01:13:53.740 And he said, look, if the books in it agree with the Quran, they are superfluous, and if they disagree with the Quran, they're heretical.

01:14:00.120 Either way, we don't need them.

01:14:01.640 That strain of anti-intellectualism, it runs all the way through Islam, I think attributable to the centrality of the Quran and the idea that it's the perfect book that has everything in it that you need.

01:14:11.560 And so you don't need any other book.

01:14:14.360 And it also makes for the persecution of people who try to bring rationalism and free inquiry into that atmosphere.

01:14:25.100 The reason why I brought out the Jefferson Quran is because I like Jefferson's approach.

01:14:34.340 Do your own homework.

01:14:35.560 Yes.

01:14:36.000 Don't listen to me.

01:14:37.240 I'm Thomas Jefferson.

01:14:38.840 Jefferson, I wrote the Declaration of Independence.

01:14:42.700 I'm surrounded by a bunch of smart guys.

01:14:45.320 I'm just telling you, guys, you should publish this whole book because people have to read it.

01:14:51.400 Well, I couldn't agree more.

01:14:52.360 And everything in my books is always very carefully footnoted.

01:14:55.220 And I encourage people, invite people, check my work, see if what I'm saying is accurate.

01:15:00.340 And if you find any inaccuracy, I will publicly acknowledge it.

01:15:03.280 As a matter of fact, there were several people when the History of Jihad came out, 0.65

01:15:06.900 there's C.J. Wuerlman, who is the atheist Islamic apologist.

01:15:13.320 He wrote a book about the Quran and how wonderful it is and so on. 0.83

01:15:17.820 And anyway, he wrote saying, oh, here's more Islamophobic lies.

01:15:23.220 And I said, if you find a single inaccuracy in the book, I will pay you $5,000.

01:15:28.320 And I made that.

01:15:29.440 I'm not talking about typos, but factual inaccuracies.

01:15:32.280 And I made that offer to several other Muslim spokesmen who were dismissing the book before

01:15:38.820 reading it.

01:15:39.420 If anybody reads it and finds a factual inaccuracy, I'm not going to pay $5,000 to anyone who says

01:15:45.080 this because I might end up paying a lot of money.

01:15:48.040 But I think more in reality, they're not going to find anything because I'm very careful

01:15:52.600 in what I do.

01:15:53.780 And everything is exhaustively documented.

01:15:56.500 Check it up.

01:15:57.120 Check up on it.

01:15:57.800 And you'll see it's there.

01:15:59.460 Thank you so much.

01:16:00.200 Thank you.

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The Glenn Beck Program - September 15, 2018

Ep 2 ｜ Robert Spencer ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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