The Glenn Beck Program - Ep 20 ｜ Pat Boone

00:00:00.000 pat i don't i i have been so excited to talk to you because you have spanned so many decades

00:00:23.840 you've seen it all you've been there you you've worked with and been around legends um your whole

00:00:33.380 life yeah you're 22 years old it's in the 1950s you have your own abc television show the youngest

00:00:42.460 ever to have his own musical variety and that's when there were only three channels yeah three

00:00:46.920 right um and here you are in 1955 and your opening act is elvis presley yeah nobody knew him so it's

00:01:00.240 not that he was already a big star but but uh he was on his way but you had more number one hits in

00:01:06.720 the 50s than he did yeah one more one one more still one more still one more um you are they

00:01:15.740 believe the most recorded voice of all time uh that is in terms of the number of records songs

00:01:24.820 i mean the most i mean of course you know many have been played more times that's the that's the

00:01:29.720 the catch in it is that i have recorded more songs over 2 000 songs in many genres like six different

00:01:37.580 genres at least at least yeah six that you've charted on charted actually made had chart records in jazz

00:01:43.760 pop rhythm and blues rock and roll movie themes uh patriotic how many movies were you in

00:01:53.220 i've lost count but about 15 16 i haven't been counting them so i don't know i might miss one

00:01:58.680 or two i'm always forgetting something that i did do you're in one of my favorite childhood

00:02:04.200 movies journey to the center of the earth that was uh i loved that that was so good

00:02:09.160 uh and you are a man of deep deep profound faith yep yep so so um i want to try to just kind of

00:02:24.000 go over as much as all that stuff doesn't really come together logically does it it doesn't it does

00:02:30.900 i think i think it's why you spanned and lasted and are as whole as you are i mean what before we went

00:02:39.520 on we were in the dressing room and you know you talked about um kissing shirley and your wife and

00:02:48.700 you teared up and yeah your love affair with that one woman we've just had our 65th wedding anniversary

00:02:56.840 we've begun our 66th and um she was my high school sweetheart same old story this we were holding

00:03:05.620 hands at 16 married at 19 when i graduated from columbia university magna cum laude we had four

00:03:12.560 kids already at 23 and i was in the cover of tv guide in my cap and gown because of the tv show

00:03:19.740 and i'd made like four movies and had six number one hit records and all of this was happening at once

00:03:26.040 and somehow we found time to have four children at 23 and graduated magna cum laude at the same time

00:03:35.080 so it's been that kind of life life of being so occupied and in so many directions

00:03:44.060 i'm too eclectic for my own good really but really never seemingly never um misplacing a foot

00:03:55.800 uh in a in a bad way the trouble you would get into is shirley jones you wouldn't right you wouldn't

00:04:06.420 kiss her yeah it's not that you wouldn't kiss her in the movie just that day you said i can't

00:04:11.160 kiss you for the movie until i go home and tell my wife yeah and say can i kiss shirley jones it wasn't

00:04:15.780 in the script and the first movie had no kisses and right i was 21 or two and and uh and henry

00:04:22.460 levin the director said now we get to the end of this music scene and you lean in and tentatively

00:04:27.780 kiss shirley and i said on the mouth i said he said yes i said wait a minute henry i haven't asked my

00:04:36.140 wife shirley about how she feels about me doing kissing scenes and i know this sounds terribly naive

00:04:42.260 but i wasn't planning to make movies i all of a sudden i was but but we hadn't even discussed it

00:04:49.440 we were having these babies and we had a serious marriage going and i didn't want to disrupt it by

00:04:55.480 coming home by the way i spent half the day kissing our friend shirley jones so he put it off

00:05:01.560 for later in the movie and it never happened but the word got out in the in the hollywood reporter

00:05:09.820 the daily variety the you know the media that pat boone had refused to kiss his leading lady and they

00:05:15.900 assumed for religious reasons and it wasn't i just wanted to stay married that's all so was that

00:05:23.080 were you unusual then too oh yeah yeah well certainly by hollywood standards i never i mean even back

00:05:31.380 then yeah yeah oh yeah i mean goodness um you know ingrid bergman was they barred for movies for a

00:05:38.300 while because she had an affair with uh with the the director i forget his name right now rossellini

00:05:45.180 yeah rossellini um but then of course now the you make the front pages in a much bigger box office if

00:05:53.680 you're having an affair and and back then no when i even by the time i happened on the scene

00:06:00.180 it was unthinkable that a guy going to make movies might not kiss his leading lady well it wasn't my

00:06:07.500 decision then as you said it was just in that one moment took me by surprise and surely i did talk to

00:06:14.080 her that night i said honey they want me to kiss shirley jones and she said look i'm ahead of you

00:06:19.880 this is shirley for you she said i've been thinking about it and i know if you're going to make movies

00:06:25.480 there's going to be kissing scenes i just want you to promise me one thing i said anything what

00:06:30.980 you won't enjoy it i said okay i promise i won't enjoy it and even when i kissed ann margaret

00:06:38.940 and debbie reynolds and diane baker and some of the and barbara eden and some of the others i did

00:06:44.580 kiss i didn't enjoy it and then at least i don't remember enjoying it um you won't remember this

00:06:54.820 but we met on your heavy metal tour oh yeah and um and i remember you came walking in

00:07:04.420 and you had the lollipop and the the chains and the jacket the leather jacket and everything

00:07:11.200 and tattoos yeah and people here you had been this clean cut guy yeah for your whole life april love

00:07:19.620 no kiss and you lost you lost jobs oh yeah because kicked right off christian television instantly

00:07:27.640 it would it went hit hit the news the next day the furor about my appearance with alice cooper on

00:07:35.640 the american music awards giving the award for hard rock heavy metal and me he introduced me as the

00:07:42.100 future of heavy metal so and metallica i had done their song enter sandman and they were bowing to me as

00:07:48.940 they came up to receive the award from cooper and me for hard rock heavy metal and they were bowing to

00:07:56.100 me as their new lead singer which hetfield even he was just joking about but um who is the lead singer

00:08:02.900 but uh christian television you know tbn cbn it looked to them as if i had just sold out and gone

00:08:12.060 over to the dark side and was lost how could you how could you have been working with people

00:08:19.820 they know you yeah and them think that oh i'll tell you i'll tell you how because i had notified

00:08:28.240 them in advance that i had done an album of heavy metal classics but don't worry i've gone over every

00:08:34.740 lyric including stairway to heaven uh which you know jim page uh of uh what's his first name of jim

00:08:41.620 jim page was supposedly into witchcraft and he was but i didn't hear any witchcraft uh words in

00:08:50.580 stairway to heaven it was a lot of oblique um references to hedgerows and stairways and but

00:08:57.620 they didn't say anything about drugs and so i've gone over the lyrics with a fine tooth comb nothing

00:09:03.280 to worry about these are okay songs they knew but they were deluged the next day with telegrams and

00:09:11.540 letters from viewers saying to paul crouch at tbn if pat boone comes back on tbn again i'll never give

00:09:21.480 you another dime he's he's gone over to the dark side he's lost and so it was that it was that reaction

00:09:27.980 from the donors that made them had to take until a couple of months later i went on tbn with about 70

00:09:35.700 christian bikers and there were more hogs and motorcycles out in front of the tbn studios than

00:09:41.940 ever in their history and never were again even but we talked about how quick we had been to

00:09:48.000 and i myself i said look i got a little what's coming to me for judging people by their appearance i had

00:09:55.040 no use for my fellow singers who were into heavy metal and all the screaming and cacophony and

00:10:00.880 i didn't care for the songs or the lifestyle i never looked into it but but and i had no regard

00:10:07.760 for them but then i met some like dave mustaine of megadeth and and alice cooper and these guys

00:10:16.680 and they read the bible and they have many bible references in the heavy metal songs about dancing

00:10:22.420 too close to the fire and uh doom is coming and you better be ready and uh and so i found out that

00:10:31.540 that they were good guys and good musicians and they were even ozzy osbourne you lived next door

00:10:37.940 lived next to him and his song crazy train i found to be a very valid social commentary

00:10:44.760 because he was talking about how hard it is for young people to to tell what's true from false

00:10:51.700 hypocrisy double standards and we're going off the rail on a crazy train and i i did what he considered

00:11:00.620 such a good version of his record his song that when he went on the air with the osborns family show

00:11:08.680 on tv the first thing you hear is my version of his song hey crazy hey that's how it goes and that

00:11:16.920 they like my version they played my version as their theme song not his version

00:11:22.440 what did that what does that what does that teach you about how eager we are to judge one another it was a

00:11:34.180 big lesson that's what i'm saying it was because i went with the i you know people music critics

00:11:40.940 didn't get it they thought i was trying to be a heavy metal rocker i wasn't i was trying to do songs

00:11:47.600 i found to have quality and doing them with big band jazz really good music arrangements which all the

00:11:54.700 original musicians loved in fact all the rock group scorpion and poison and and all of them wanting

00:12:00.840 me to do their songs uh and treat them with respect as i had these others and uh and i i but mca they

00:12:09.220 thought my record was a total fluke they were happy to get away with it it went to like number three in

00:12:14.360 the hard rock chart it sold out instantly but they didn't want to follow it up i wanted to

00:12:19.360 but i i went up to several uh i bought a harley and uh and the heritage springer top of the line

00:12:27.600 and i had ridden smaller motorcycles my wife shirley had two she was better at it than me

00:12:34.140 but um but i bought a harley and then i went to a couple love rides promoting the album and up in san

00:12:42.480 francisco i i i i brought a jacket and and the choker and uh dark glasses to wear to the love ride

00:12:52.840 but not on the plane so people had seen me walk through the airport in san francisco and oh pat

00:12:58.820 boone i go in the men's room and i change the jacket and i walk out and they're shunning me now just

00:13:05.540 the appearance wow and i realized that's how quick we are to judge people by their appearance and and i

00:13:14.440 the bible says judge not that you be not judged for with the judgment you judge you will be judged

00:13:21.340 so when i put on that apparel i was off christian television i ministers and others who jumped to the

00:13:28.900 conclusion i was just seeking some kind yeah and i i i realized i had learned a valuable lesson that i i was

00:13:38.500 being judged as i had judged and now you know i became really good friends with a lot of those guys

00:13:44.720 including alice cooper i don't call him alice now uh it's coop and he is the son of a minister yeah

00:13:51.860 and he has a foundation called the solid rock foundation and he has been about building inner city

00:13:59.520 afternoon places for kids to go do something productive including record uh so i mean he and i

00:14:07.600 you know we're christian brothers but uh but i had no use for him until i recorded his no more mr nice

00:14:13.740 guy all right let me let's go back for a second do you even remember elvis opening for you do it was

00:14:25.080 that a big deal oh sure it was it was a lot it was a lot bigger deal than i realized at the time

00:14:31.940 because he wasn't widely known but i when i i went to cleveland i had and this is something people

00:14:39.900 just can't believe and i i didn't believe it either until the cold stats were staring me in the face

00:14:45.500 but from march of 55 i made my first record which was a cover of two hearts two kisses

00:14:53.180 a rhythm and blues song by the charms on the due tone label one heart not enough baby two hearts

00:15:02.000 will make you feel crazy one kiss will make you feel so nice two kisses take you to paradise two hearts

00:15:09.800 two kisses make one love okay million seller next record you made me cry ain't that a shame fats

00:15:19.660 domino third record uh crazy little mama come knock knock knock and i had three records by

00:15:25.500 uh october when elvis came up to cleveland from shreveport he was appearing on the louisiana hayride

00:15:34.300 and was considered that moment a rockabilly singer that is he was doing country songs but with

00:15:40.420 kind of a rock flavor and approach because rock and roll only was that phrase was coming into play now

00:15:49.360 yeah did you know ellen freed did you ever i met ellen and and yes he played my record of ain't that a

00:15:55.160 shame in fact uh he wasn't playing the original records yet wow he played my record of ain't that a

00:16:02.140 shame but later he started asking his listeners you want me to play the original record or or the cover

00:16:08.760 record and more and more they were wanting to hear the the original records but but my record of ain't

00:16:15.140 that a shame is what he played and so i was i was coming up so fast that when i i transferred from

00:16:25.420 north texas state to columbia university right then that year 55 and in october 22nd i went to cleveland

00:16:35.460 to appear on a sock hop with the nation's number one dj bill randall he picked me up at the airport

00:16:41.500 himself and he said um i now transferred to columbia he says got a kid coming up from shreveport tonight

00:16:49.100 we want to hear and uh he'll go on ahead of you tonight and i said well who is it and he said uh oh you

00:16:55.780 never heard of him but uh odd name elvis presley that's what i i heard his record on a jukebox in

00:17:02.720 dallas bill he's a hillbilly the blue moon of kentucky you think it's going to go over tonight

00:17:09.020 it's this isn't in this rock and roll time well he grinned he said well we'll see so that night

00:17:15.400 uh backstage in the brooklyn high school i don't know why it was called brooklyn

00:17:19.720 in cleveland but 3 000 kids were dancing and bill playing the records and i'm back there and elvis

00:17:26.960 walked backstage with two or three of his buddies lamar fike i think and i forget who

00:17:31.420 and and uh you know his collar turned up and his hair slicked back and uh you know

00:17:37.380 kind of twitchy nervous and i said hi elvis i'm pat boone nice to meet you and he didn't shake hands he

00:17:44.340 just he nobody taught him how to at that point to shake hands and i said uh bill randall seems to

00:17:52.060 think uh maybe some good things ahead for you i don't know about that but i hope so and he just

00:17:57.700 leaned against the wall and the guys gathered around him again i could tell he was uncomfortable

00:18:02.420 yeah and uh so then bill randall introduced him as a young fella coming up and you don't know him but

00:18:09.880 let's give a nice welcome to elvis presley and he came out and he said blue moon of kentucky keep on

00:18:16.140 shining and uh they liked him the way he looked he looked like the bad boy that the girls are not

00:18:22.840 supposed to to mess with right but but they like but didn't care for the song but he did it and they

00:18:31.120 gave him a polite response and then he says thank you very much i i'd like to do the other side of that

00:18:35.260 record for you and it was that's all right mama that's all right with me and they loved that and

00:18:42.040 they wanted more of it and he wasn't swiveling his hips or anything he was twitchy he was kinetic he was

00:18:48.620 nervous and it came out when he sang and they liked him they wanted more but he didn't have anything else

00:18:55.480 and then i came on with my three hits currently and got all the screams that night and then i had two

00:19:02.700 more three more hits that year so between march of 55 and february of 56 when he hit with heartbreak

00:19:10.800 hotel now this doesn't seem but anybody can check it out i had six million selling singles two of

00:19:18.680 number ones in that 11 month period before elvis hit so he created an avalanche but i was able to

00:19:27.180 to match him record for record during the whole last half of the 50s

00:19:31.920 so when you were when that happens to you let me just talk to you as a

00:19:55.040 as a performer as a guy who is uh a star and a young star okay yeah very young elvis comes on the

00:20:06.360 scene you in 56 you get the abc show yeah it's that 57 i think 57 okay so you get the abc show

00:20:13.940 maybe wrong 56 it's in the it's in the 50s yeah 57 late late 57 um and abc is the the network of disney

00:20:22.420 um and so you're coming on the scene um you've got these hits you have money you have television

00:20:28.780 you have fame you have people screaming at you when you see elvis start coming up did that play

00:20:35.160 with your mind at all yes because because he was the rebel i said i know we had a lot of the same fans

00:20:42.680 they've all let me know in the past and i kind of knew it then because we were both hot

00:20:47.300 i mean we i would my record would be number one and he would knock me out of the number one slot

00:20:53.160 my next record would knock him out we were seesawing up and down the charts together who did you wait

00:20:58.940 hang on just a sec who did you knock out when you started coming up who was the big one well perry

00:21:05.500 como eddie fisher still was singing nat king cole frank vic damone frank wasn't having number one

00:21:12.000 records at that point he he was frank sinatra and he was doing albums but he wasn't having hit singles

00:21:19.480 okay all right um but the the it was the kids time it was rock and roll time it was uh so that's

00:21:27.120 we were the hot newcomers right but i knew that he was exciting i mean he was a bachelor and you know

00:21:34.500 he was he was sort of the bad guy he was there was a moment in front of the press on tv well they said

00:21:41.860 they were asking him about two years into it he said when are you going to get married and have kids

00:21:46.320 like pat boone and he kind of gave it that kind of a little lopsided grin he said well why should i

00:21:52.880 get married when i can i don't know why should i buy a cow and i can get milk through the fence

00:21:57.940 oh my gosh and and of course that sent shockwaves all over the place ministers yeah legislators yeah

00:22:06.200 teachers parents but but the kids i mean they loved him and they loved little richard whose records i was

00:22:13.720 covering in fats domino did you know those guys yeah met them all and we were friends we appeared on

00:22:18.980 shows together so elvis was the bad guy and i realized he was eventually he was pepper i was salt he was

00:22:26.360 pepper and and and people seemed to like some of both seasonings you know we were competitors but

00:22:32.880 friendly we we visited each other in homes in bel air we were both renting we played touch football

00:22:39.540 on sundays sometimes he had his buddies i had mine and we would just play actually not touch football it

00:22:46.720 was flag football so you tackled somebody by put taking the towel out of their belt right but we also

00:22:54.080 blocked and red west his stuntman friend told me once he said elvis back during that time he says

00:23:00.480 you know that boone hits hard well i'm blocking i mean that's what we're supposed to do i mean he was

00:23:07.560 he wasn't into karate yet and um so we we had that kind of uh friendly competitor but we were uh competition

00:23:16.600 but we were two boys from tennessee and uh he was from memphis me nashville and and we were both

00:23:24.240 seesawing up and down the charts who did you let's let's say in the 50s for a second did you see anyone

00:23:31.300 like jerry lee lewis elvis that you saw and you immediately knew holy cow that's huge yeah jerry lee for

00:23:42.500 one and if he if he wasn't for his trip oh to england with his cousin right it would have he would

00:23:49.580 have made it right well he did he he made it undeniably because his records a whole lot of

00:23:55.560 shaking and uh and um great balls of fire balls of fire those records are such classic records of course

00:24:01.240 you know they did a broadway show about um about the four in the sun studio they did a broadway show

00:24:08.920 uh it was carl perkins johnny cash elvis and jerry lee and they'd all recorded at sun studios

00:24:18.400 and um and and elvis on the tape i have at home says you guys heard boone's new record

00:24:24.640 and they and they said no what is it oh it's a good song man he said but uh but the writer charlie

00:24:32.060 singleton sent demos to me at graceland and to boone and he got it and he's already recorded it

00:24:39.440 and it's a big hit and um and they said well what's it sound like and elvis had his guitar and

00:24:46.600 this is in the on the tape i have i don't know if it's in the broadway show but he started uh started

00:24:52.100 don't forbid me to hold you tight darling don't forbid me to hold you tight let me hold you in my

00:24:58.880 loving arms now i had him because i love low notes and i and i could hit the low notes in that song

00:25:06.340 and it went to number one boom in a hurry and um and that was the one chris isaacs can't believe

00:25:12.700 that i did in the in one hour after i heard it in the studio and it was a finished recording

00:25:18.240 was don't forbid me and it just because for me i it was a such a kick to sing it

00:25:24.140 and they have the low notes but elvis uh i tell my audiences when i sing it if i tell any of this

00:25:30.800 story i sure am glad i got it first because he would have had a very big hit with it too

00:25:35.580 um johnny cash did you know him before his conversion yeah and after so tell me about johnny cash

00:25:47.020 when you first meet him and your thoughts well i met him on a plane we were flying from west east i

00:25:55.040 guess he was flying to nashville from california and we stopped you know back then the trans

00:26:01.140 continental flights weren't always direct i mean straight through i think we stopped in oklahoma

00:26:07.820 city or something and he got off but he i knew who he was i i'd heard some of the country records but i

00:26:13.820 also knew that he was getting a reputation of of having some troubles yeah some drinking or drugs

00:26:22.060 or whatever and he looked very haggard he got off the plane and they were trying to hold the plane for

00:26:28.380 him to get back but he never came back to get back on the plane so i divined from that he he did have

00:26:35.580 some some problems but um later when after he'd had his conversion experience and was really an

00:26:44.540 outspoken christian i did his tv show with him and i forget what i think it was will the circle be

00:26:50.100 unbroken or i saw the light or some good song that we sang together and we were we were singing together

00:26:57.780 as christian brothers and and he was a very courageous guy he he came to see me he and his

00:27:05.380 wife june they were being booked into las vegas and his christian friends would say you shouldn't

00:27:11.540 appear out there in las vegas you know that's sin city why are you going there and he knew that i

00:27:17.220 had appeared there and was appearing there and had some records there actually of attendance and uh

00:27:23.540 and he wanted to what was my rationale about it and i said look wherever you appear you're going to do

00:27:31.300 your show aren't you you're going to do whatever the songs are you know yeah and i said the people

00:27:37.380 that are coming to see you are the same people that see you in your concerts or in uh state fairs or

00:27:43.460 wherever you appear wherever i appear i've learned that that that that i don't have to be part of

00:27:49.700 everything else going on there and the people who come there don't have to either either they're

00:27:54.940 looking for just good entertainment and if i can give them good family style entertainment i'll do it

00:28:00.380 so you just go in and you just sing whatever you sing including your gospel songs and they'll love it

00:28:07.460 and he did and they did so i mean we were two two guys trying to work it out how to make it work to be

00:28:16.340 christians and still be successful as entertainers and it's it's not easy yeah um 1960s come and

00:28:25.800 the invasion the british invasion happens and this is the first real bump in your career right

00:28:32.060 yeah big one the beatles yeah big one big um because now the whole room has changed the whole world

00:28:41.040 has changed we did it very drastically for a recording artist right because i was making

00:28:46.200 a lot of my money was from record sales of course right even then right then when they first hit and

00:28:52.660 i had heard them for the first time in england i heard a song of theirs called uh if there's anything

00:28:59.240 that you want yeah with love from me to you one of their very first records i thought i'd like to sing

00:29:05.120 that and i got a copy of their record and brought it home and tried to get randy wood of dot records

00:29:11.180 to let me record he said no it's already been out on a label called vj and the head of that company was

00:29:19.220 also named randy wood i mean it was weird but their record had been released and nothing had happened

00:29:25.460 and so he said but you know they're just english they're just an english group they're not

00:29:29.580 going to be big and uh and so when they hit so big and my record sales fell like everybody else's

00:29:39.100 i got in touch with brian epstein their manager and got the contract i had a guy paint court portraits

00:29:49.240 of the beatles oil port portraits of each one separately and then a group portrait and we and

00:29:55.700 he's a businessman and uh not the painter i had a painter to do that from holland but but the

00:30:01.520 businessman friend of mine went to sears and we packaged beetle pictures and i had the license to

00:30:07.200 sell beetle pictures and i made more money selling beetle pictures for a year or two than i was making

00:30:13.320 from my own record sales unbelievable and then you know who you remind me of i'm sure you know um

00:30:21.560 art link letter oh yeah so art link letter my favorite story is walt disney took him to an orange

00:30:28.540 grove and said this is what i'm going to build you should invest art and art was like he said later

00:30:34.960 i didn't have the courage to say i think you're out of your mind this is going to be a disaster

00:30:40.020 when walt opened the park he asked art and a friend ronald reagan yeah to do the broadcast

00:30:47.620 art said uh because walt had no more money left he said i'll do it for free just give me the receipts

00:30:55.660 for the kodak counters oh i want the i want the license for film yes i'd forgotten that so he had

00:31:03.640 that license through the 70s yeah which had to be worth so much millions millions yeah art was so sharp

00:31:12.220 well i i i was very proud of this business thing that i did and then i that was the reason for my

00:31:19.380 meeting them eventually when they came to the thomas mack and did their first concert tour after the

00:31:25.180 sullivan show and because i had brought 30 people from all over the country we because if you bought

00:31:31.380 those pictures they had tags on them numbered tags and you put your name and address and and send them

00:31:37.680 to us or something or i forget how we collected but then we brought 30 people out of a literal drawing

00:31:44.640 and they attended the concert and i've got pictures of me shirley and our four daughters on the front row

00:31:50.060 there and their concert which was i'd had loud screams and a lot of noise in my concerts too

00:31:56.820 and elvis as well nothing like this though because it was one solid scream from the time they came on

00:32:03.880 stage until they you could you could hardly tell what they were singing if you if it softened just

00:32:09.820 a little bit so you could tell what the new song was then it's picked up again what was it we met

00:32:14.560 afterwards we met between shows and they let me know that they were fully aware of those pictures and

00:32:20.540 and paul said i like these they said you make us look very good and they'd sent out for camera

00:32:26.200 stores to bring them cameras and they were buying cameras and john lennon and george and the others

00:32:32.120 were saying yeah those pictures we like those said brian has got our names on a lot of stuff we don't

00:32:37.380 like it's crap but but we like those pictures i visited the cave eventually their place where they

00:32:44.800 made their first success and those those paintings are on display at the cave really that i had made of

00:32:53.540 them wow and so we we had that kind of a of a friendship a relationship what did you when you

00:33:03.960 were watching this because you're a performer you're watching this and you had to turn around

00:33:09.000 to look at the crowd a few times because it's a wall of screams oh yeah what was going through your head

00:33:14.900 what were you thinking what was it what what what did they have you had to say to yourself

00:33:21.440 what is happening here what did you think was happening i guess i knew glenn that um that they

00:33:30.420 had struck a chord i didn't know how huge it was going to continue to be that they would get that

00:33:35.700 they would become more famous than jesus as john said yeah eventually but um but but i knew they'd

00:33:43.040 struck a chord that they that they were the real thing i mean they were performing live they sounded

00:33:49.140 just like they did on record that they were very inventive and creative and they were so young

00:33:56.920 that the kids could identify instantly with them i mean i by now i was i was 10 years into my career

00:34:05.400 they knew who i was in fact they told me that they had bought some of my records and this is what

00:34:10.900 bono of you too told me that people like that that they i didn't it occurred to me that when they

00:34:16.880 were kids they were elvis and i were the big ones yeah and uh and they wanted to be like us eventually

00:34:23.600 they became bigger than than me at least when i met bono it was after they got the beautiful day

00:34:30.180 uh record of the year and we're coming into the mca after party and we hadn't met yet i didn't think

00:34:37.780 but but he's about comes up to about here on me bono and and i and i coming in behind i said i think

00:34:43.900 it's time buno met bono he turned around and he said uh hello he said but he said we met before he

00:34:51.680 and edge yeah you don't remember we know you don't remember we were just getting started as a group in

00:34:57.600 england you were on tour wow and you were introduced to us and we we looked up to you and i think i think

00:35:03.700 they called themselves the journeymen i'm not sure they were thought of as a catholic rock group in

00:35:09.700 the beginning i like bono oh yeah me too nice smart solid yeah and a solid citizen he he's walked some

00:35:17.880 planks out there i mean he's done things for poor people in in countries and gone to meet with

00:35:25.960 presidents and congress i mean he he's really been a statesman and he's not your typical

00:35:32.780 guy who's doing that just for the no no let me stop here in the 60s before we finish the 60s i

00:35:41.960 you had project prayer this is the year i was born i hate to tell you that

00:35:46.860 1964 it was at the shrine auditorium in los angeles um and uh you were you were helping lead this movement

00:35:59.160 to flood congress with letters in support of school prayer yeah um it was you among others

00:36:08.560 walter brennan uh gloria swanson dale evans roy rogers john wayne ronald reagan mary pitford jane russell

00:36:18.260 ginger rogers uh you also uh in the early 70s hosted bible studies with doris day glenn ford

00:36:28.480 jaja gabor priscilla presley mickey cohen i mean holy gangster how yeah because

00:36:37.500 i always you know i was going to be a school teacher i thought my shirley and i when we

00:36:45.000 married at 19 i had decided this is what i was going to do just mentioning shirley right now

00:36:52.500 but she thought she was marrying a school teacher preacher because that's and there was a little

00:37:00.780 little headline in the nashville tennesseean because we were both known in nashville

00:37:06.440 for singing she was the daughter of red foley the great country singer hall of fame

00:37:10.860 can you stop for just a second yeah i love how much you love your wife oh

00:37:16.060 oh if you knew her well everybody loves mama shirley we call her but you know we were childhood

00:37:24.620 sweethearts and uh high school sweethearts and we committed our the headline in the nashville paper

00:37:32.460 little squib we have it uh singers wed devote lives to god this was our goal and uh and and i thought

00:37:44.120 she was so happy because you know she had had enough of show business and country music her dad

00:37:49.140 read fully traveling all the time and a lot of drinking and stuff going on and now she's going

00:37:54.100 to be married to a school teacher with a sedate calm life yeah and two or three kids and a picket fence

00:38:01.040 and regular schedule and so on how did that go off the rails no how did that go off the rails

00:38:07.420 well i won the ted mack amateur hour while i was still in in high school well i just graduated from

00:38:14.060 high school but it was the forerunner of american idol ted mack's amateur hour was on saturday nights

00:38:20.460 big show on network television and i entered a contest in nashville the first prize was a trip

00:38:28.860 to new york and an audition with ted mack no guarantee i'd get on

00:38:32.820 but um but i went to new york and audition and i sang i believe for every drop of rain that falls

00:38:41.080 it was a big hit for frankie lane but a song of faith and i and and it was the voters i mean the

00:38:49.520 the winners were declared by votes cards and letters that flowed in from saturday to thursday

00:38:55.920 and i didn't expect to win i was just thrilled i actually got on the show

00:39:01.340 to justify having won the contest in nashville and and i went right from that show which was live

00:39:09.940 into the country where i was singing leading singing and congregational uh gospel meetings in the

00:39:16.500 country it was the summertime and uh i was in a place called beardstown tennessee that it was so far

00:39:24.600 out in the country they didn't have phones now yeah this was what 53 or something no 52

00:39:30.860 and and uh i was having lunch with the preacher and the and the family that was feeding us

00:39:37.900 and a car came rattling up in the driveway scattering pigs and chickens and and a guy stomps up on the

00:39:45.220 porch and knocks on the screen door and says is there a guy named boone in there

00:39:48.560 and said yeah he's he's having his second or third round of food in here come get him

00:39:54.080 they took me to a house a few miles away where a woman had a

00:40:00.080 a setup in her home

00:40:03.720 what am i trying to say uh receiving calls

00:40:08.080 and uh you can make calls and receive calls there and it was oscar schoonmaker

00:40:12.160 like a switchboard switchboard that was it and um and oscar schoonmaker was calling me from new

00:40:19.080 york where where are you and i told him i'm in in this beardstown tennessee he said well you got to

00:40:25.040 get your back here you've won our show you you're on you're on saturday night again so that's when the

00:40:30.900 nashville tennessean took a picture of me packing to go back to to new york and i i won the second week

00:40:37.080 and the third week the cards and letters kept coming in

00:40:40.160 and surely say anything at this point like oh dear god no well we weren't married yet

00:40:44.320 okay so and and and it was all just a

00:40:47.880 fluky thing and we married after that

00:40:51.860 by winning three times i qualified

00:40:55.380 for a showdown with other three-time winners if and when it would happen it hardly ever happened

00:41:00.560 there are a lot of big stars who appeared on ted mack's show and didn't win

00:41:04.180 um but they went on to big careers but but i surely and i married at 19 i moved to denton texas to go to

00:41:12.700 north texas state big music school but i'm on my way to being a teacher preacher

00:41:17.640 and uh and i get the call from new york hey we've got all enough three-time winners to have

00:41:24.940 to have a showdown and and we want you to come back so i went from denton back to new york

00:41:31.940 sang did well i thought and um i had to wait now for the next saturday so i'm staying in new york to

00:41:39.960 see until thursday staying at a seedy little hotel but arthur godfrey had a big talent show on monday

00:41:48.300 nights and so while i'm there i go over to cbs on my own and ask if i could audition to be on the

00:41:54.340 arthur godfrey show and a woman took me in a cold studio and with an engineer and said sing me

00:42:00.900 something i had no music so i sang i believe for every drop of rain that falls the same song of

00:42:08.540 faith i had won the ted mack show with she said nice can you come back in three weeks i said oh no

00:42:13.860 i'm sorry i i didn't tell her i was waiting to hear if i'd won the ted mack show and i i said no

00:42:19.460 i'm my wife and i are expecting our first child and i have to get home oh well then we'll put you on

00:42:24.040 tonight tonight wow and i had to have a talent scout i had to call a friend who could come and

00:42:30.240 and present me on arthur godfrey show against two other contestants i sang i believe for every

00:42:38.680 that song of faith and won the arthur godfrey show that night was on his show the next few mornings

00:42:45.880 that led to the record contract because around nashville tennessee at the time your local boy

00:42:53.180 yeah ted mack show arthur godfrey show this was all to me just a crazy fluke i mean i was not headed

00:43:00.280 i wasn't thinking of having a career singing i mean that was too iffy i had to have a job

00:43:06.340 if we were already expecting our first baby you know well uh by the time i had the fourth child

00:43:14.220 and on the cover of tv guide you know i was i had movie contracts record contracts amazing uh all of

00:43:21.200 that and it happened so fast it was a blur

00:43:24.080 things have changed so much from them the people i don't think have an idea of

00:43:43.700 that kind of fame three networks the entire country knew who you were at that i did a command

00:43:53.020 performance for the queen while i was still in college crazy go to go to go to the palladium

00:43:58.300 and the queen is sitting up in the royal box and i'm there singing you made me cry when you said

00:44:05.040 goodbye ain't that a shame and my rock and roll songs and we were told that uh uh if you don't

00:44:12.980 get much applause it's because the queen didn't applaud they watch her and if she likes something

00:44:17.240 then they'll all applaud and if if she's complacent about it then don't be don't be too concerned

00:44:22.940 but i got nice applause and i'll never forget leaving the theater that night i had rented a tux

00:44:32.340 i i never worn a tux but i this is a command performance tux i didn't know that that if you

00:44:40.020 have a tuxedo you don't put a white handkerchief in it so i i i thought i was supposed to have a

00:44:45.700 white handkerchief i'm in the dorchester hotel and i got some toilet tissue oh my gosh and i did the

00:44:52.260 what the style at the time was if you wore a white handkerchief have it embossed your initials

00:44:58.040 so i got a ballpoint pen and put pb on it oh my gosh and i'm wearing it the command performance now

00:45:04.560 i'm leaving the theater the palladium and the bobbies are trying to help us entertainers get

00:45:09.760 out to the cars they're waiting for us and the crowd's out there screaming and a some fan reached

00:45:15.420 over the bobby's arm and grabbed this handkerchief and ran running up the hall screaming i got it i got

00:45:21.400 it and i thought she thought i was either the cheapest guy in the world or i had embossed

00:45:28.460 toilet paper oh that is so funny uh but that but those things were happening so fast so let me go

00:45:34.720 back to the british invasion they were at least still wearing ties and suits and then the 1960s

00:45:42.260 just goes nuts yeah it just goes nuts what did you think was

00:45:49.660 what do you think was happening then what what what was your take on you know the the king movement

00:45:58.840 was was one thing then you had martin luther then you had malcolm x but then you had this

00:46:06.540 hippie woodstock yeah that was directly in your and already drug related right and drinking related

00:46:14.100 and uh and people's lives being ruined and see the get back to one of the earlier questions about

00:46:21.700 but my perspective my perspective on my whole career and why i was involved in all these other things

00:46:30.280 it didn't seem like logical things for an entertainer to be doing the project prayer and many other christian

00:46:38.280 outreaches and all that was because when shirley and i got married and i our the foundation of our life

00:46:48.120 the way we wanted to live our lives was to be used by god when i was inducted into the gospel music hall

00:46:55.860 of fame i told the audience and again it was a tearful night for me because it was in nashville

00:47:01.540 and i talked about the attic that i took over from my brother my brother and i used to sleep in the

00:47:08.240 same bed a year apart say almost one year to the day we were both born on june 1st but a year apart

00:47:14.460 and i let him have the bed downstairs and i took the attic and i that was my my place but i remembered

00:47:21.640 praying up there as a kid in high school that god would use my life somehow for his purposes

00:47:26.980 i didn't know how that would be but i just wanted to feel that my life was useful in some way to other

00:47:33.700 people and and not just on spent on myself so that was my goal and now to be honored with uh

00:47:41.460 with gospel music hall of fame there in nashville took me back to that attic prayer time but that was

00:47:48.880 that was our the way we were looking at our lives our purposes so whatever happened to me in

00:47:55.840 entertainment i look for ways to try to make it uh have some significance other than just

00:48:03.040 fame or money or whatever i think that's what has kept you on the even keel because i found when i when

00:48:11.180 i left new york uh because i didn't expect any kind of anything um and all of a sudden boom i'm kind of

00:48:20.720 like you just real quick just and you'd had the biggest show in fox yeah yeah and and it was just

00:48:26.300 bizarre how fast everything happened um and i knew it wasn't me and uh the last that was the sense i had

00:48:35.820 see all along yeah and uh uh the last night before i was going to go in and tell roger ales that i was

00:48:42.560 leaving i uh i had gone to spider-man and i they invited me backstage and i was with bono and we

00:48:50.460 were talking about they were struggling with the second half and my wife looks at me as we're walking

00:48:56.760 back and she says if they ask you anything about the show just say you liked it please and i'm like

00:49:00.860 no but i i could help i know yeah so they asked and my wife looked at me like oh dear god and so for

00:49:08.180 you know 30 minutes of backstage hanging out with yeah you know these titans sure and uh i get back

00:49:14.380 to the apartment and it's floor to ceiling glass i i grew up wanting to live in new york city i'm right

00:49:21.200 in the city i i mean for the first time i was with cool kids yeah and uh i said uh how can this be god's

00:49:29.440 plan look at where we're at right now how can this be god's plan to go in and give it up and my wife

00:49:35.780 sounds a lot like shirley she said uh i'm going to bed and i heard pat as clear as a bell if you

00:49:44.480 don't leave now you won't leave with your soul and in pondering that for a few days after i think

00:49:53.480 that's where people that's where fame and fortune destroy you because it's a nice ride yeah yeah but

00:50:02.240 when it starts to go away it plays on you so much that you'll do anything to hold it because you want

00:50:11.620 it yeah yeah how did you avoid that did you you'll sell out you'll you'll yeah whatever and you'll make

00:50:17.720 little teeny compromises and before you know you're yeah way off i see this well i've had moments like

00:50:25.320 the one you just described and a pivotal one would take too long to probably tell you now but

00:50:30.260 uh where i a minister said to me are you willing to die to your career if this is what god wants

00:50:39.400 and we were it was a moment of a prayer up on mulholland where he and i took a walk together

00:50:45.940 harold braveson was his name and i said i didn't want to i never wanted that question to be asked i sure

00:50:52.820 didn't want to have to answer it but he's asked it are you willing to die to your career if this is

00:50:58.160 what god wants and i said well harold i have to be honest if i know my own heart i am

00:51:05.540 i don't know if i know my own heart though when the time comes and the decisions have to be made

00:51:11.720 and maybe the little decisions don't seem like big ones but maybe but if i know my own heart if

00:51:17.940 if i know he wants me to give it up he says praise god brother he's going to let you know your own

00:51:23.020 heart and within days i was put in a position where i felt like i mean i had already recorded

00:51:31.880 an album for a record company owned by bill cosby they put a lot of money into it and they were going

00:51:38.460 to advertise it forgive me but they were going to advertise with ads and billboard pat boone sings

00:51:44.260 his ass off on this record and i thought well i didn't make that up that's their doing i'll just

00:51:51.160 act like i didn't know it that they were going to say that and then but this same minister came to my

00:51:59.020 house the next day and said brother i don't know if you know what this means but god just told me to

00:52:06.280 tell you and it was scripture be not unequally yoked with unbelievers

00:52:11.420 do you know what that means i said no i don't know what that

00:52:16.000 no i have no idea what you're talking about i'm just about to sing my ass off

00:52:23.580 for roy silver ed barsky and the company that own tetragrammaton records oddly enough

00:52:29.760 tetragrammaton is a greek word for the name of god wow uh but why they called it that i've never

00:52:36.900 known but i it was obviously i was going to be recording and a five-year contract with unbelievers

00:52:43.500 and i had to make the decision i was about to go sign the contract i called and postponed signing

00:52:50.540 the contract because now i've been confronted are you willing to die to your career

00:52:54.620 and so i went back up on mulholland and it was a i got out of bed it was midnight

00:53:02.980 shirley said what are you doing i said i gotta go gotta go pray and i went up on mulholland in a

00:53:08.160 misting rain and um asking god what i've signed i've already recorded this album i mean i've already

00:53:15.400 given my word if i'm going to commit my life even more to you does a christian back out of a contract

00:53:22.260 and out of a deal he's already made i didn't i honestly didn't know how to do it so but i felt

00:53:30.800 there was like a hand on my face and the and the impression just tell them your story

00:53:38.180 just tell them what's happened to you so the next day to my manager's great apoplexy we sat there and i

00:53:48.000 told barsky and silver and the others about what i'd made a new commitment i might be an embarrassment

00:53:53.660 to them going forward and that i couldn't go along with that ad campaign and i liked the album it was

00:54:00.520 a good album john stewart's uh july you're a woman i had recorded it was a sharp hit later but they

00:54:07.580 listened to my story and i thought they were going to say well you know that we don't want you if

00:54:11.540 you're going to if you're going to be mr religious joe again yeah and um but instead they said this is

00:54:18.980 really interesting joe silver said uh you know let's just don't have a contract let's put the record

00:54:25.480 out we'll scrap that ad campaign you can you can uh do whatever you want with i mean you can

00:54:31.080 have to say so but about our advertising but let's put the record out and if it's a hit it's a hit

00:54:37.540 and if you want to stay with us you stay with us if you don't or if we don't want you we'll just we'll

00:54:42.280 just walk away and my manager was saying but you got to have a contract and roy said well why we trust

00:54:49.000 pat even more now and so we'll just operate on a handshake and we never had a contract and and i

00:54:57.160 went out and again i got a little teary because standing by the parking meter with my manager i said you

00:55:02.240 know god had just let me know my own heart and he's given me the opportunity to put it on the

00:55:09.500 altar walk away whatever the consequences but giving it back to me but the capper is that six

00:55:17.340 months later tetragrammaton went into bankruptcy if i had signed that contract i'd have been tied down

00:55:23.360 for five years my contract i'd have been on a shelf so it was not just me right you know so

00:55:31.160 those moments and there have been others and with you and i'm sure where we we get some guidance and

00:55:38.180 we we have to make decisions that we hope are the right decisions even if they cost us

00:55:44.600 i um before and i've never talked about this before i don't know fantastic story um

00:55:52.340 before that night that that happened to me uh it was about a week before uh i had had this feeling

00:56:01.460 for a while that i needed to talk to billy graham you know billy graham's not taking my call

00:56:07.800 of course and so uh i'm standing in the hallway and um and i said i just have to talk to billy graham

00:56:18.080 and uh that afternoon billy graham calls me out of the blue doesn't know i've been trying to call

00:56:24.040 him really uh and he said uh can you come down to the house uh this weekend it's been an hour with

00:56:32.000 me i just want to chat with you i'm like all right god get down there and uh he says what's happening

00:56:39.380 with you and uh i said well i'm i'm thinking about leaving fox and he said no no no no no no no no no

00:56:49.880 that can't be right and i said i've been praying on it billy i said but i i just i don't know kind of

00:56:56.360 like i don't yeah yeah no it's insane and uh he said uh tell me how you know that's from christ

00:57:06.120 mm-hmm and he sat there and he held my hand and uh we spoke and we both just wept you know him

00:57:15.440 yeah yeah very well what a great man oh yeah what a great the real thing and um his whole countenance

00:57:23.860 on this issue changed and he said it sounds exactly like the lord and it gave me such strength

00:57:35.580 because he said to me

00:57:39.180 i have tried my whole life to do right and then he welled up um in tears and he said

00:57:49.660 and i haven't always gotten it right he said but i've tried oh yeah and he said um

00:57:58.160 and i know the lord knows that yeah and then he just changed and his eyes became so bright and he

00:58:06.920 said and i don't fear death yeah i just don't know it's it's such a great yeah such a testimony

00:58:16.500 builder yeah you're gonna have really tough decisions and you know seek his advice the lord's

00:58:23.760 advice and then do it and even if you get it wrong yeah you were trying if you're yes i i've made

00:58:30.160 mistakes and blunders uh that that from a business standpoint and professional standpoint

00:58:37.900 were just unwise and maybe they not what god expected of me that but i was thinking it might

00:58:45.020 be so i would try to do what i thought was right and i later thought boy that was really stupid you

00:58:50.500 could have gone ahead and done whatever that was a role in a movie or something i've i've said

00:58:55.720 in the past i would play judas in a in the story of christ because i know how the story ends and it's

00:59:02.660 it it's i would play the bad guy if i had to and try to do a good job try to make him a human being

00:59:10.000 yeah um because judas went out and hung himself when he realized what he had done right away um

00:59:18.640 so it's it is a great story human really a human story but to try to combine um uh our knowledge and

00:59:28.120 our hope to to do what's right uh with the the demands of a secular world that doesn't know him

00:59:34.620 and thinks we're nuts uh you know i all the uh other performers have made fun of me and i repeat

00:59:41.720 the jokes you know in my shows you know dean martin used to say every show he did for a while

00:59:47.920 oh that baboon is so religious i shook hands of that boy the other day my whole right side sobered up

00:59:55.080 and phil harris with andy williams and andy williams show stopped in the middle of the show it was not

01:00:02.480 part of the script he said uh boone come on now level with me pal you drink don't you i said no

01:00:09.020 you don't drink nothing never i said no he said to andy he says can you imagine waking up in the

01:00:16.060 morning and knowing that's as good as you on a field all day long and then he says come on he says

01:00:21.840 it's a pat he said we love you i said we kid you but we love you and he said if i ever had a son i'd

01:00:27.700 want you to be just like pat boone till he's about three years old

01:00:31.700 and so they kid me but i i just tell the jokes on myself yeah because i know they're funny

01:00:40.760 was it about 1972

01:00:45.960 five i don't remember when your daughter had one of the biggest seven 77 it was that late

01:00:54.900 one of the biggest hits of the 70s yeah you light up of all time it's it's one of the biggest to this

01:01:01.600 day one of the biggest like it was number one like 13 weeks there's one i think two records matched it

01:01:09.260 dina shore's button and bows buttons and bows from the bob hope film i think and uh the mills brothers

01:01:15.920 glowworm wow there were two records that were number one as long as debbie boone's record of you light up my

01:01:24.020 life and the great story this is a terrific my favorite showbiz recording industry story

01:01:32.180 she was still living at home she was 20 uh she and our family had performed together because that was

01:01:39.040 my strategy to keep my four pretty teenage girls in sight at all times yes was i know that i've got

01:01:46.520 my girls all living by me too yeah and so debbie was still at home and mike curb uh a guy named joe

01:01:53.740 brooks had written this song you light up my life for a movie he was the top jingle writer in new york

01:01:58.980 and making a fortune and and his mistress live-in girlfriend was um was uh had recorded the song

01:02:06.300 already for a movie about them it was a real kind of an ego trip thing about them but the song was

01:02:13.140 beautiful but she was holding him up you would not sign a beginner contract for warner brothers

01:02:18.460 because she was uh singing in new york she hadn't had any hit records but but she was a professional

01:02:24.980 singer so her agent didn't want her to sign a beginner contract she was holding everything up

01:02:30.220 mike curb had debbie come in first played it for us do you like it oh it's beautiful

01:02:35.460 to see if we could put her voice on the record so they could put the record out because the woman

01:02:42.340 was holding them up and so debbie on the way into uh new york with shirley had her face to the window

01:02:50.560 and she was singing you light up my life if you give me hope to carry on and she said i could sing

01:02:57.080 this to the lord shirley said we'll do so they go in this cavernous studio in new york joe brooks very

01:03:03.820 cynical guy and just him and an engineer and the tape they had recorded already and they had a

01:03:12.180 a blank portion of the tape and he said well let's just hear you sing this song debbie

01:03:16.900 so they already had all the instrumentation all done the record was finished the other girl finished

01:03:22.340 but they had the tape there so they just uh just softened or deadened one of the tracks and let her

01:03:30.060 sing and she just closed her eyes sat on the stool and sang you light up my life and joe got goosebumps

01:03:37.020 everybody did and he started trying to get her to make some changes in what she was doing and it was

01:03:42.980 making debbie nervous so shirley said excuse me joe can i take shirley and i just want to calm her down

01:03:50.780 a little bit this because she's a little nervous went in the bathroom she said the most messy bathroom

01:03:56.140 she ever saw but in a recording studio and uh so she's uh she said you just go out and pray and do

01:04:03.620 it your way went back the next take was it it instantly they just took the other girl's voice

01:04:11.780 off they didn't redo the music they just put debbie's voice on took the other girls off

01:04:16.540 and the record became the biggest one of the biggest records of all time and people get goose

01:04:23.240 bumps when they hear her sing it and did all along and and uh they just get a feeling because and i know

01:04:31.680 what it is it's the spirit yeah it's the spirit in which she sang it she sang it in front of barbara

01:04:37.160 streisand and and her record matched her record of uh oh paul williams song not easy being green i

01:04:45.020 think it was oh yeah one of those songs no no it was the song she wrote that wasn't it it was the

01:04:50.980 song she wrote i can't think of it but and then on the grammys and the oscars but funny thing the um

01:04:58.940 the grammy she tied with hotel california and hotel california the eagles is about hell uh it on

01:05:11.060 their album right cover there's on the inside is a picture of anton lave on by on purpose in the

01:05:19.280 on the balcony of a hotel in palm springs that represented hotel california but the lyrics say

01:05:26.360 you go in and you never come out right you can have anything you want but right you know you'll

01:05:31.440 be sorry yeah and and uh and that song and you light up my life interest tied for record of the

01:05:39.060 year interest hotel california about hell and her song to the lord you light up my life so i've lived in

01:05:48.300 this kind of uh i don't know tug of war it seems like yeah oh i've loved it but but it's

01:05:56.060 it's been uh walking a tightrope sometimes i just have to tell you this because he's my friend

01:06:03.220 i have a friend jeremy and uh he uh i walked into his house he lives in sherman oaks and i walk into

01:06:10.960 his house and i said this is like walking into somebody's house from the mid-1970s that was a

01:06:19.720 superstar and nothing's changed he said right he said i bought it because it was debbie boone's house

01:06:28.720 that she bought with you light up my life and we can't change anything oh that's great because

01:06:35.380 it's a lovely home yeah it is it is he hasn't changed a thing and they won't and they won't

01:06:40.620 well good because it was beautiful and they did it

01:06:42.920 let's talk a little bit about um the talent of today let's talk about um

01:07:03.180 do you know michael buble oh no i haven't met him i know who he is of course okay a great admirer of

01:07:11.400 his abilities yeah um who who who is out there that you say wow a lasting talent a lasting voice

01:07:22.440 well you just named him and he is he is um really good i mean he's just got a great native talent and

01:07:31.000 have you ever seen him in concert no i've just seen him on television you need to see him in

01:07:35.200 concert i i think i think he's the and i've seen michael jackson and everybody else yeah i think he's

01:07:42.100 the best performer on stage i've ever seen well i agree with that stage performer as well as vocal

01:07:47.220 because uh he throws himself physically into it but in his own way he's not imitating anybody yeah

01:07:54.400 he sang on the um the voice the other night and uh and he sang a song of a love ballad and um

01:08:08.120 he sang it very slow now i i thought he may have been thinking about tony bennett when he sang

01:08:14.380 the shadow of your smile tony bennett sang it so slow you had to check the speed on your

01:08:24.220 but it but it worked was it my funny valentine no no it was a it was um it doesn't matter a love

01:08:32.300 song but but i thought no no michael that you don't need to stretch that one out because you

01:08:40.400 know what you're going to say and so but i mean that was just a judgment he made i didn't agree with

01:08:45.920 but but his vocal ability is just unmatched i think right now yeah um because he can sing most

01:08:54.160 anything he wants and sing it well yeah i don't i other singers around i'd have to rack my brain

01:09:01.220 have you have you met somebody that was a um a mid charter if you will that you thought

01:09:08.760 if this person would just straighten up their life have you met anybody who could have been huge that

01:09:16.380 was just burned out well some of my good friends i mean glenn campbell you know he went through

01:09:25.200 real tough period yeah went through a rough period i mean not before he had uh the alzheimer's i mean

01:09:31.660 he he got involved with drugs and was messing up his life that's too bad um and there there are others

01:09:38.560 i don't want to yeah yeah i have i've and in fact that's why i didn't want to be plan on being a

01:09:47.500 singer i had early in the going when i was touring for my first record i went into some grill some night

01:09:54.320 one night with a promotion guy for my record to get something to eat and up on behind the bar was a guy

01:10:00.480 who'd had one record and it had been a hit record of sorts but he was building his life around that

01:10:08.180 one record and he's up there singing behind the bar and i thought boy i wow i can't bank on this

01:10:13.700 and when young people have asked me over the many years about how can i get to be

01:10:19.760 a star how can i have the success you've had and i said i can only tell you how i did it i made god

01:10:27.960 my agent right because the agents you know they can open doors for you they in the case of god he

01:10:35.180 gave you whatever ability you have and he can open doors and create opportunities and he can help you

01:10:41.400 make the most of them when the time comes and by the way like all good agents he'll expect a tenth

01:10:46.980 i remember i got an agent and and he said i charged 10 i called him about three weeks into our deal and

01:10:56.840 i said you know i pay god 10 i pay you 10 yeah i am crystal clear on what god has done for me yeah

01:11:05.680 yeah what are you doing yeah you're charging the same uh you're charging the same that's another thing

01:11:12.620 i've been scrupulous about you know uh tithing because when i was making 50 a week in fort worth

01:11:20.960 doing two tv shows and i was in school at north texas on my way to being a teacher

01:11:25.300 and doing two tv shows locally on wbap channel five and um and a radio show only did it about three weeks

01:11:36.320 it was the lowest rating in the history of radio it was called organ moods oh oh that sounds good

01:11:45.120 student reading poetry while a guy droned away on the organ oh wow sunday nights late and people gave

01:11:51.480 their radios away they didn't ever want to ever come across that by accident again but two tv shows

01:11:57.660 driving from denton to fort worth and back fifty dollars uh forty what was 550 taken out withholding

01:12:05.420 so i got 44 50 and that was shirley and i living on that and i tithed it on a in church but within a

01:12:13.740 year i was making more money than i knew what to do with and have continued of course all this time

01:12:20.580 because i don't know if i have similar story um but i think i've learned a better story on tithing and

01:12:30.800 that is uh i just trust him you know it's not like i'm gonna get anything out i might not get out

01:12:42.520 what i'm thinking i'm gonna get out of it right you know yeah but i just i just know it's gonna be

01:12:49.240 okay whatever happens yeah it's gonna be okay i'd like to know what happened to that woman with

01:12:54.020 the two mites you know she just she wasn't doing it for show right she wasn't expecting anybody to

01:13:01.160 see it and she'd have been maybe embarrassed yeah but she put her little two mites in the

01:13:05.540 collection plate and jesus said see that these wealthy guys they give a lot more yeah they do it

01:13:12.540 for show but we'll be talking about her for as long as yeah there's a world yeah talk about that

01:13:19.580 woman and her two mites so you know god sees it he knows it and he knows our heart you know why we're

01:13:26.280 doing it and i think we can tithe to other people and their needs as well as to you know spiritual

01:13:34.320 programs so let me um let me take one one we'll take you one more place because it is the center of

01:13:42.640 who you are and it's god

01:13:44.720 things are changing quickly and um boy are they it would not surprise me if you know i pop on tv

01:14:00.460 tonight or you know my my iphone and it just says uh oh jesus came back i mean it's like things are

01:14:08.660 happening and changing so fast so dramatically right but you won't you won't have to read about it

01:14:14.280 yeah i know no we'll we'll see it um um but one of the things that i'm i'm fascinated by is

01:14:23.700 this this lack of connectiveness to god in some way and you're seeing the suicide rates go up you're

01:14:34.880 seeing all these stats go up because people don't have meaning in their life it's what gives us yes

01:14:39.120 for me it gives me meaning um and religion on the wane but you lived through it in the 70s

01:14:49.700 after the 60s there was this jesus movement yeah in the 70s yeah right and it was you know god is dead

01:14:58.300 in the 60s yeah and this jesus revival and it wasn't a church thing it was a jesus in the streets and the

01:15:06.880 beaches and the rivers we were we had 300 baptisms in our swimming pool but people were going to the

01:15:13.760 oceans and the rivers because the kids were saying wow they'd read about what happened on the day of

01:15:19.780 pentecost three thousand were added to the church went on the day that the quote church began

01:15:25.200 and uh and and they were baptized immediately so they they looked around well and many churches in

01:15:33.180 southern california don't baptize at all and if they do it may be a sprinkle right but um but somehow

01:15:39.820 on that first day on the pentecost three thousand were baptized so in the 70s um there were lots of

01:15:47.200 baptisms in the oceans rivers and do you think that there is a uh a revival if you will that's coming

01:15:59.100 that's more it it feels to me that man and i have to be really careful of this but man is responsible

01:16:10.660 for religion god is responsible for the principles yeah and man screws up the principles yeah you know

01:16:19.260 sometimes with doctrine or or greed or whatever yeah and there seems to be this disconnect with the

01:16:26.760 stuff that man has created and a beginning of this bubbling up of i want to do something good i want

01:16:34.980 to do something meaningful yeah i i all of the principles do you see that do you see that at all

01:16:42.580 or is it a little darker in your view no no i do i think i think we're being forced into a

01:16:49.740 a time of choosing i think uh that as the things get worse and worse and and i just i'm i read through

01:16:59.020 the bible every year and this this the day i was reading in revelation now i'm up to the yeah i'm up

01:17:04.480 to the book of revelation the end of all things coming and the horrible things that are in store

01:17:10.120 as as the world gets worse and worse and even those horrible things are god's attempt to bring the last

01:17:18.140 few to himself even in times of of horrible uh travail because as long as things are going okay

01:17:29.140 they just don't feel they need him so he will finally let things get worse and worse and worse

01:17:35.000 till to what sort of backed into corners which is sometimes where we where we make our right choices

01:17:42.060 but um but i think the things are crumbling and and we're losing so many of i've made a couple of

01:17:51.760 speeches had to write them out one's called losing liberty how can we possibly in this country lose

01:17:57.260 liberty we're the greatest nation in the world we can lose it through apathy ignorance those two ways

01:18:04.820 we can lose it it's being taken from us now i mean right now they're changing wanting to change the

01:18:09.820 constitution they're wanting to uh take uh to call some things in the bible hate speech

01:18:15.880 and and and they're not wanting uh people to say under god and the pledge of allegiance

01:18:23.020 and uh these things are happening we're going to have to take stands eventually because

01:18:28.360 uh you you remember the up with people i think a long time ago yeah up up with people there's

01:18:34.580 people wherever you go and freedom isn't free you got to pay the price for your liberty so i think

01:18:42.400 we're coming to that i i'm just hoping that we're gonna that there will be a return i think even show

01:18:49.960 business people are good are giving people and they they go out of their way to do good things

01:18:56.680 just from a human humanitarian standpoint which is good and maybe don't get enough credit

01:19:03.360 but it's it's on their part it's it's trying to answer the call that i think we do feel

01:19:11.260 all of us most of us feel that we'd like to if there is a god you know we'd like

01:19:17.680 to be in his good graces we'd like to please him i i feel sorry for people like bill maher who make fun

01:19:25.800 of anybody who is quote religious and i understand how quote religion which is not what god wanted he

01:19:34.380 wants relationship yeah uh he wants people who want to be like him that's it people it's it's

01:19:41.580 like gandhi said i i love this jesus of yours i just don't like his followers yeah and it's because

01:19:48.760 a lot of the followers are just as judgmental as bill maher right right and and as i say i i found

01:19:55.980 myself guilty of that too so i've been no i've been no saint although technically you can call me saint

01:20:04.240 patrick because you've been around some snakes in your life yeah yeah yeah uh but it's it it's a wonderful

01:20:14.460 life to live believing that that god is in charge and that he he'll excuse you and and even work with

01:20:24.760 your mistakes and errors and judgment and it'll all turn out if turn out well if um if you're trusting

01:20:32.540 him and that as we and what i'm looking at right now and in the case of several good friends

01:20:38.460 who we've said goodbye to temporarily that they didn't die they didn't cease to exist they moved

01:20:46.860 on you don't have to talk about a saint that is somebody who the bible says precious in the in the

01:20:54.600 sight of god is the death of his saints that's in one of the psalms precious in the sight of god

01:21:00.940 why precious because he brings them to himself and that ain't bad yeah it's a good time it's a time

01:21:08.340 to celebrate it is if uh if if you if you've become part of his family that's the thing and we can all

01:21:16.700 every one of us can be part of his family okay kind of rapid fire yeah a couple things just real quick

01:21:22.720 uh greatest experience of your life something that you've done that you're like i cannot believe

01:21:32.080 i did that or i saw that

01:21:35.140 hmm i just uh i showed uh i know this seems trivial but for me it wasn't um i was in dublin making a movie

01:21:48.060 and um i had a couple days off and uh i had a bike i was renting a bike so i could ride around and

01:21:55.060 because i'm scots irish myself and i wanted to see more of of ireland and around dublin in the spring

01:22:02.420 and there was an aau track meet and um and i on my bike i stood on the wall in the stadium outside the

01:22:10.440 stadium watching the thing happen americans and irish compete and somebody recognized me and had me

01:22:16.960 come over and i was in the infield talking to some of the coaches while all the things were going on

01:22:21.980 around me and he's and i'm in shorts he said you're actually in pretty good shape i said yeah i am and

01:22:27.440 he said uh you ought to come out here tomorrow and run in our 440 relay our dash man is taking sick

01:22:34.020 we're gonna have to cancel and i said really and he said yeah and i said well i i never ran track but

01:22:41.620 i think i'm pretty oh he said no i was just kidding i i mean if you haven't run track but i must have

01:22:47.920 wheedled him or something i he decided hey you know if you want to do it we'll um we'll talk to

01:22:53.660 the irish coach and we'll we'll do the event it won't be official but you know maybe we'll see if

01:22:59.880 we can if you say you're pretty fast maybe we'll yeah build up a lead and you can bring the baton home

01:23:05.060 or at least make a good effort i said yeah i'd love to do it i came back my manager was apoplectic

01:23:11.080 again he thought how can you be setting yourself up like this and i came back and they gave me

01:23:16.420 some shorts and some track shoes i'd never worn and and the baton we practiced passing the baton the

01:23:22.700 safe way with your thumb on the hip and the guy comes running behind you and puts it there and you

01:23:27.420 got to make sure you got it running and now they tell me that there's more people in the stands they've

01:23:33.800 heard the words around i'm going to be running in this uh track me uh against their team and they

01:23:40.060 decide they don't want to get beat by three track men and a singer and so they bring in noel carroll

01:23:47.920 who was in stanford but he was irish and he was running for the irish team he had just set the

01:23:54.020 world record oh my god in the two mile now he's going to run anchor against me now i want out i don't

01:24:00.620 know this is going to be embarrassing but i'm out i can't i'm in it i can't get out and so now the gun

01:24:06.980 goes off and i look down at the and i see the first 110 yards and the american guy builds up

01:24:12.440 about a three yard lead passes the baton and now here comes up to the second guy and it's up to

01:24:17.660 about four or five yard lead and here comes a guy toward me and i put my thumb on my hip and i start

01:24:22.920 running and i feel the baton and i go take it around the and i'm running i said no man alive could

01:24:28.220 catch me but i'm here those are my steps and i hear thump thump thump and this two-miler

01:24:35.240 world record holder is coming behind me and on my phone and i could show you the picture that

01:24:42.380 that somebody sent me recently associated press i crossed i break the tape i half a step ahead of

01:24:50.380 noel carroll wow won the aau of course it wasn't official but it was in sports illustrated

01:24:56.960 but you mentioned a moment in your life that seemed impossible that i would win an aau track meet that

01:25:03.680 is great uh and there's a picture to prove it just as i'm about to break the tape i say it's probably

01:25:10.080 trivial but but then being inducted into the gospel music hall of fame was a very emotional moment and uh

01:25:18.640 and to me you know you hear what i'm about what my life is dedicated on and to that to be in the

01:25:27.260 gospel music hall of fame and now that music that they gave me an award for is what the way we start

01:25:33.520 our day every day shirley and i that album i did called songs from the inner court is it was it's from

01:25:42.300 the 10th chapter of hebrews where it says got jesus took away the curtain into we can now come into the

01:25:50.520 holy of holies and right before the throne and so in my album songs from the inner court which christian

01:25:57.720 bookstores it was too religious for them because it wasn't performance it was worship but we started

01:26:04.680 every day uh to create an atmosphere of worship uh while we're trying to keep shirley with me while

01:26:12.180 longer and uh so that induction into the gospel music hall of fame is is evidence that what i started

01:26:23.420 out to do has been recognized and by people that i really care about and uh and something that is

01:26:30.760 most important to me so that is something that's better than the oscar or i'm not in the rock and

01:26:36.820 roll hall of fame never will be because i didn't just record rock and roll i had more rock hits than

01:26:44.040 some that are there but uh but that doesn't matter to me at all but i like being in the gospel music

01:26:51.340 hall of fame i know that uh i i know that uh how much you miss your wife oh yeah i can't tell you

01:27:01.840 how much it means that you would travel out to take time away from her and sit in a very cold studio

01:27:07.820 with me for a while well this this i've i've wanted to do this for a very long time i mean i first started

01:27:15.900 watching you on fox and i was cheering you on all the time and then dumbstruck when you left but now

01:27:22.980 i know you made the right decision and i'm glad that you're still speaking out about the right things

01:27:29.060 you're like uh you're like um paul revere i'm glad you use paul revere because sometimes people will

01:27:35.800 use people from the bible and everyone they use dies no stop that paul revere is okay yeah yeah

01:27:42.820 yeah paul revere he just kept saying they're coming they're coming and that's the way i always

01:27:47.200 saw you as you're you had the blackboards and you were showing the facts that nobody should be able to

01:27:53.900 to refute but they weren't getting the message you were putting all the facts up a lot of people did

01:27:59.140 yeah they did a lot of people oh yeah yeah sure did so pat thank you thanks for this time it's a

01:28:04.720 privilege for me

01:28:05.480 you

01:28:17.600 you

01:28:30.480 you

The Glenn Beck Program - January 19, 2019

Ep 20 ｜ Pat Boone ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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