The Glenn Beck Program - Ep 201 ｜ Ron Paul： Unnecessary War Is Highway ROBBERY

00:00:00.000 the true enemy of liberty is not the democrats it is authoritarians and there is an overlap there

00:00:06.860 sure these days there are plenty of republicans with an authoritarian streak as well today's guest

00:00:15.340 has spent decades fighting authoritarianism in all of its forms no matter the cost no matter

00:00:20.420 the party because he recognizes that the bigger the government grows the less freedom the individual

00:00:27.020 has he fights for the middle class the real america he said at one point there is only one kind of

00:00:34.560 freedom and that's individual liberty our lives come from our creator and our liberty comes from

00:00:41.620 our creator it has nothing to do with government granting it amen he is the godfather of modern

00:00:49.100 liberal uh libertarianism he is a man responsible for the um conversion of countless wayward minds

00:00:58.620 energetic americans desperate for a genuine politician to support he has oh converted more

00:01:08.920 people i guess to libertarianism than maybe anybody in american history he's a doctor a real doctor not a

00:01:16.460 i've got a phd in indigenous women's study kind of doctor he's a real doctor he made three white

00:01:23.840 house bids he spent nearly four decades in the house of representatives his farewell to congress speech

00:01:30.880 is the stuff of lore these days he publishes a newsletter heads a foreign policy think tank serves

00:01:37.560 as the senior fellow at the misis institute for many people he's the best president we never had

00:01:45.100 as the saying goes when fascism goes to sleep at night it checks under its bed for today's podcast guest

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00:03:24.760 ron how are you is this glad yes it is good to hear from you yeah i know the last last time we

00:03:45.340 were in the studio together was the day of my first grandchild's birth and i had to leave in the

00:03:52.380 middle of the interview i don't know if you recall that i had waited so long to interview you and then

00:03:57.180 the baby starts being born right when we start our interview well first things first yeah i know you

00:04:03.800 have to do it but you know what i remember the interview too because you gave me a very nice

00:04:08.500 interview because we were working at introducing our homeschooling program yeah yeah and you were

00:04:14.100 very supportive of that yeah so ron i i'm trying to organize my notes and the things i want to talk

00:04:20.760 to you about and honestly i can't i can't decide where to begin with you because everything is on

00:04:28.660 fire and a lot of the things that you said were going to be a real problem and you better wake up

00:04:33.660 are all happening so what do you think the most the most important fire that we need to put out first

00:04:43.980 is well we work real hard on the foreign policy and fighting needless wars and you know i got really

00:04:51.800 involved in that when we were going to those many wars in the middle east and afghanistan all that

00:04:57.380 so that's a big issue but the other big issue which is involved with foreign policy is the excessive

00:05:04.980 spending i don't think people realize uh you know how serious that that uh debt is and uh it's it's

00:05:14.200 extreme it's going to be a big problem although everybody should vote to try to reduce it the odds of

00:05:20.900 that happening aren't very good i know so the debt will get liquidated and and we try to prepare people

00:05:27.040 for it so it's not easy so let me start there um most people don't understand and that's because

00:05:35.940 debt has been a part of this country's you know financial philosophy for a long time and everybody's

00:05:45.440 been saying oh it's going to get bad it's going to get bad and i don't think people understand that

00:05:51.180 there is a breaking point um can you describe what that breaking point looks like what does the average

00:05:58.720 person's life look like when this goes bad well it's not not totally predictable because each event

00:06:08.760 will be somewhat different but there are certain rules in economics from the austrian viewpoint which

00:06:15.000 i adhere to that you can uh predict what is coming or assume it's coming such as you know if you have

00:06:22.340 too much debt and you just print money and counterfeit the money that leads to problems and high prices and

00:06:27.960 all the things that that we're facing but uh you know some of us who have followed this thought maybe

00:06:34.740 six months or six years ago it could have happened right it's there's a subjectivity involved and when

00:06:41.440 it's precipitated what is the event and uh sometimes a war will precipitate it and sometimes it will be

00:06:47.640 an economic event and uh the people's trust and so that is unpredictable but there's no doubt and

00:06:54.760 in my opinion though the longer we can delay it or the officials delay uh these uh these bad events

00:07:02.240 coming the bigger the bubble bubble gets and uh that's uh that's where where the real problem is

00:07:08.280 that uh you know yeah well you know the fed met yesterday and a no catastrophe and

00:07:13.780 wages went up a little bit but that's still adding to the bubble you know and that's that's the big

00:07:20.720 thing and it's a consequence not of an accident you know it all all came from the university teaching

00:07:25.540 probably over the last hundred years i um i remember doing a monologue in when i was in um at cnn i did a

00:07:34.640 series for a week on what i called i think the money bubble it's now known as the everything

00:07:40.860 bubble and i said we're going to hit this next problem and if we don't let it go we're going to

00:07:50.960 just keep adding to the bubble and i think 2008 is when we should have felt everything and then they

00:07:57.260 just changed all the rules of economics and that's what that's what's really weighing us down is we

00:08:04.900 didn't pay the price in 2008 don't you think absolutely and that's what they did they were

00:08:12.380 able to get out 2008 but uh that's what happened the bubble gets bigger and bigger but there there

00:08:18.960 are some rules uh when debt gets out of hand debt has to be liquidated not only the debt but also

00:08:25.760 people don't talk too much about malinvestment that when you have artificial interest rates and

00:08:30.920 and uh information that you can't rely on you can't rely on our government for much good information

00:08:37.240 but if you get bad information on economics there's a lot of mistakes made and uh and and that has to

00:08:43.900 be liquidated due to get back to square one where you can start seeing real growth what do you mean

00:08:49.200 the debt has to be liquidated how do you liquidate 32 trillion dollars uh by default uh you know you

00:08:58.420 you could walk you could just default by uh just stiffing everybody but that would be a we can't do

00:09:05.820 that constitutionally yeah yeah well we can't do it the way we're doing it uh we're liquidating debt on

00:09:12.240 a daily basis because uh you you know if if uh you you owed a million dollars uh five years ago

00:09:20.180 you might be able to pay it off with 500 000 you know the debt the money is liquidated by the value

00:09:26.960 of the currency going down so that real and governments know this this is why they work hard

00:09:32.900 to keep a little bit of inflation there that's why we have to have at least the destruction of the value

00:09:37.920 of the currency at two percent but sometimes it goes a lot higher so real debt goes down by inflation

00:09:44.640 and that helps the government and some people like it too oh i can get a mortgage now and pay it back

00:09:50.160 but it also causes distortions where it gets out of control and the real debt catches you know

00:09:56.360 catches on it has to happen the best thing the way you suggested made me think of 1929

00:10:01.680 yeah he said we probably should i'm like 21 1921 we had a depression and at that time they were hands

00:10:09.560 off republicans were in it they had not learned how to get out of the trouble by just printing tons and

00:10:16.140 tons of money and and the depression was very bad very severe and it lasted a year yeah hands off and

00:10:22.700 they went back they went back right into the into the roaring 20s so one of the things that um i guess

00:10:31.060 you know they had to sneak the federal reserve act um in i mean it was very very shady as you know

00:10:39.500 but what they were what they said they were trying to avoid were these um regular market resets i mean

00:10:51.420 it's the kondracki of wave is you know the green shoots of the economy it's got to go into winter

00:10:57.680 it's got to burn the dead wood out so we would have about every 10 years a a very short depression

00:11:06.040 it would crash and then it would come back and the federal reserve said that that's what they were

00:11:12.440 trying to stop if you said to people that every 10 years you could lose everything but then it'll

00:11:18.100 it'll start right back up again people wouldn't be for that they would they would they want they

00:11:24.080 like the security of the idea that somebody's watching out how do you sell a really true free

00:11:34.120 market without the fed well and that's the argument they use they were you know bank runs and all this

00:11:42.180 and and the fed was established to stop all that and you can you can't stop it but it's because they

00:11:48.140 drifted away and they never fully obeyed the constitution that nothing other than gold and

00:11:53.700 silver would be used as legal tender and that was a little too sloppy then they couldn't go to wars

00:11:58.580 when they were unpopular and and uh there's there was a limitation on taxation so they went to this

00:12:05.340 thing which is tempting is all the way back to roman times yeah it's it's a part of history that it's a

00:12:11.820 sneaky way of uh taking government fraud uh and uh counterfeit if if people thought of this as a

00:12:19.820 counterfeit system eventually it'll catch up to us so i i think that um people people know it and they

00:12:27.700 want it but they have been conditioned especially in our country in our educational system because they

00:12:33.340 really don't worry about that they talk about it even even republicans are talking about a little bit

00:12:38.960 yeah but do you think the republicans are the answer to deficits no they're unfortunately there's

00:12:44.640 no good record you know you get only a few people like a thomas massey and a few others that will

00:12:50.900 really vote uh the vote the clarity of the constitution you wrote and the fed i think in 2011 i think

00:13:00.980 sounds right um that's right what would you add to that today i probably emphasize things a little

00:13:08.860 bit differently um i would say well what would you do you know if you're uh trying to provoke you know

00:13:17.080 present the correction i would emphasize the whole fact that uh if they if you had to have this fed

00:13:24.160 and you have it uh the first thing i'd do i'd look to jim grant for some advice on it but the other

00:13:30.920 thing you do you put a put a rule in there that says that the federal reserve cannot buy government debt

00:13:38.720 you know that's the whole thing then they get into manipulating and then they get into this

00:13:43.140 astounding thing they're central economic planners by manipulating interest rates and and then then

00:13:48.920 they get in and doing this and that that is where where the real problem is is is the the economic

00:13:54.820 planning that they have and the pretense that that they know what is uh there just like this meeting

00:14:00.200 fomc yesterday they they talk as if what they're saying is authentic and it's always what can we say

00:14:07.560 to calm the people's nerves and that's why i give them credit for being pretty shrewd for pulling the

00:14:14.180 wools over the lives of a lot of people right and they've been able to do this for a good many years

00:14:19.840 it just you know of course makes that uh conditions much worse and uh you know when individuals do it

00:14:26.340 if you or i go overboard and we spend five million dollars and all of a sudden the banks won't want us

00:14:32.240 any more money we have to declare bankruptcy we have to get another job or quit spending or do this

00:14:37.680 governments don't do that you know people when they worry about what's happening and when they

00:14:42.380 locked on government oh they're not going to send me my social security check never worry about that

00:14:47.380 and they're always going to bail out now anybody's funds they the fdic is always going to bail people

00:14:54.800 out but they ought to worry about the depreciation the destruction of the currency because it never

00:15:01.220 before glenn has it been where a reserve currency was so embedded worldwide everybody's involved in

00:15:07.900 the dollar because most currency are defined by dollar so and a lot of other things and that's why

00:15:13.360 it's big this is big time and we're seeing hence big cracks are occurring and there's no slowing up

00:15:21.280 i don't think you can stop that exponential curve of debt going up there to 33 and look at it and

00:15:27.480 you said the right day to 2008 when that when that real nonsense uh started so you look at um

00:15:36.560 where we're at and you talk about the destruction of the currency and that you know how many people

00:15:42.960 are holding the u.s dollar in their sovereign funds and we have a war of currencies that is now beginning

00:15:49.240 everybody keeps telling me yeah but we're the strongest one and i've said for years that's

00:15:54.280 assuming no one will get sane and pour gold into their coffers and re-establish a new system um you

00:16:04.800 know it's great to be the best of the worst until somebody you know invents a better mousetrap and

00:16:12.620 that's exactly what's happening what does america what does america look like if our reserve currency

00:16:21.260 is no longer the reserve currency we're all going to get poorer and we're going to have a lot of

00:16:29.360 inflation and uh there will be a some some substitute we see that uh at times uh under emergencies like in

00:16:38.920 wartime world wars and things what what happens is when the currency quits working they find a

00:16:46.060 substitute immediately something something of real value that people know about in the past they've

00:16:51.520 used to back out all kinds of things but those are very very temporary but uh no uh my idea is that

00:16:58.440 there's going to be totally chaos so really where the real fight is is in in in the same fight that

00:17:04.060 you're involved in is trying to teach people what to do and where the answers are and what's going to

00:17:10.340 happen so we're going to have the major crisis but what is going to help me and my family and about the

00:17:17.140 people that deserve some help are the people that have to be able to join us in redefining you know

00:17:24.780 what the currency is like and a lot of work has already been done because the if we look to the founder

00:17:30.000 for some advice it's pretty good and uh and and i think modern austrian economics which i have followed

00:17:37.220 closely uh you know since lou rockwell started uh started the uh mises institute there's a lot of

00:17:43.760 information there so that's where i'm optimistic i think it's occurring i think the homeschooling events

00:17:49.320 are going on i think the this talk shows and the type of work you do we reach more people i don't think

00:17:55.360 anybody knows because i bump into people that i feel like i'm just talking to people here and there

00:18:00.760 and my voice know who cares but i meet people that really have done things and i thought well you know

00:18:07.560 i well where'd you get that idea and they got it from you and i said wow i must have missed something

00:18:12.200 and they started they start things and they do very well and of course i tell them you know when we

00:18:18.460 deal and talk about investments too and i talk about investments uh you know with with the metals and all

00:18:24.660 i said but the most important investment is our energy put into spreading the message of liberty

00:18:31.220 and that you could take it all away from us glenn and if they just gave us our lives back our freedom

00:18:38.760 back and they said what would that be like well first off you wouldn't have an income tax and you

00:18:45.000 could do what you want as long as you're not hurting people no no violence i said boy that's a wonderful

00:18:50.500 place why aren't we selling that message better well right now they think there's a still a free

00:18:55.520 lunch but the the crisis comes when they say the free lunch is over and how many free lunches are

00:19:01.180 getting you know are vanishing i can't believe what i see with pictures of san francisco and

00:19:07.980 los angeles this is this is uh more than i expected that i thought it would come but uh the whole

00:19:16.480 country can get that way but where the real danger is there's going to be a group and there is a group

00:19:22.360 do you think nancy pelosi uh was worried about uh you know the gun issues she had guns all around her

00:19:29.200 all her life you know these communities so the rich do do better under this system and that means that

00:19:35.880 when the harm comes once again who pays you know if you are inflating away the debt uh who gets the

00:19:45.160 worst benefit the poor people in the middle class correct because their prices go up much worse and

00:19:49.880 if you're a billionaire who cares what bread costs you know that's why the violence the violence comes

00:19:56.140 and i expect that'll get much worse so do i unfortunately um let me before we move off money

00:20:05.900 one thing that i fear um because i do think violence is going to get worse i think that you know in at least

00:20:16.820 in my view and correct me if you think i'm wrong but we have the potential of repeating venezuela's

00:20:24.700 uh tale here that we were a very rich country we got off the wrong track we started you know socialism

00:20:34.920 and playing all kinds of games with our money and then destroying our energy and

00:20:39.340 you end up eating the animals in the zoo um uh and i i could see that as a as a destination here or

00:20:49.760 stop on the american story and when things like that happen with the technology that we have

00:21:00.640 and the answer i believe they think is a central bank digital currency they lock everything down

00:21:09.740 you don't you you go from you're thinking you're oppressed to actually in a cage

00:21:16.880 yes and that that uh that that is you know so important but some of the things that you can't

00:21:28.080 predict whether we're going to be like venezuela uh or zimbabwe it's going to be probably different

00:21:36.440 uh that may and and the timing why it's different is it depends so much on human action so if we're

00:21:44.300 strong and halfway decent and we have the military power and we have a lot of wealth you know you can

00:21:52.860 go a long way on that because the other countries are worse uh but eventually though uh we the rich

00:22:00.060 country like we have now go beyond its means and then we have to make the corrections why we don't

00:22:06.060 know exactly how it's going to be whether it's venezuela or not it's the fact that uh human action how do

00:22:12.280 the people react what are their emotions when do they give up how much violence will be involved

00:22:17.280 some people may some uh countries might be more complacent but generally speaking there's usually

00:22:23.020 violence and there's uh you know social violence where the rich the rich and the poor end up in civil

00:22:28.940 strife and i can't see how we can avoid that because it's so ingrained and the anger is growing but when it

00:22:37.160 happens uh is real hard to predict but uh the whole answer is that i still have the same the same

00:22:44.260 approach well let's be thankful that we have some time let's be thankful and see how successful we

00:22:49.960 can be for spreading the message there's a great message out there the human race had to has a pretty

00:22:55.880 good understanding of what should be done but to me it's still a fight between good and evil and uh

00:23:02.220 that's that's where the battle really is and i talk a lot about a natural law and and uh higher law

00:23:09.420 versus the nihilists who say there ain't no laws you know and you hear it now they say it you can't

00:23:15.540 know the truth and that's uh that's where the real fight is but that's been going on for thousands a

00:23:20.760 year yeah and that's just the human nature it just ebbs and flows we're just happen to be in this

00:23:25.800 collective zone here uh like we were the world was in the 30s and 40s and it's a very dangerous place

00:23:33.560 when you start moving towards collectivism so as we look at things and and and what they could

00:23:41.080 actually turn into with uh ron paul let me remind you that the world is a crazy place these days it

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00:25:02.140 let's let's talk a little bit about um war you have been very clear on foreign entanglements i mean you

00:25:15.180 you have sounded much like uh washington and our founders uh on no foreign entanglements it you know

00:25:24.200 in 2001 i wasn't with you by 2008 i was absolutely with you on this doesn't work i started doing my

00:25:34.720 homework and looking the state department really is responsible for a lot of our wars and and the

00:25:42.320 military industrial complex and they're involved in all of our wars and that hasn't worked in a hundred

00:25:50.480 years and we just keep repeating the same mistake over and over again is that accurate yeah it is but

00:25:59.860 i'd add one thing and that's uh the international governments we have our government to deal with

00:26:04.660 but if you take some of the things that happened with united nations and i point out what was the first

00:26:10.820 thing the united nations i was in grade school but my teachers were propagandizing why the united

00:26:16.520 nations was a great thing and so what was the first thing they did they uh truman said well we'll go

00:26:22.940 let's go to war uh over in korea oh the people don't want another war so soon after world war ii

00:26:30.920 oh it's not a war like that this is a police action so and yes we we ended up with a stalemate

00:26:38.900 there but it really was a loss on what they were doing and look how how how korea has still been

00:26:45.180 separated yeah but then then of course the same thing happened with vietnam i had a i had a lot of

00:26:52.260 uh uh impressions put upon me in the 60s because i was in medical school i was in a residency i got

00:27:00.380 drafted and uh and there was all this emphasis that went on it was a horrible thing and how many

00:27:08.980 years did it take for the american people well how did it have to end sadly with a lot of demonstrations

00:27:15.980 and and harm done to our own country so that's that's why the founder said be cautious don't get

00:27:24.040 into these wars make make the people have a say in it and let the congress vote on it but it's

00:27:30.260 executive orders now i know the power is just and then it isn't only the executive orders it's the

00:27:35.980 united nations we go to war still i remember george senior i think said we we had to go in here

00:27:43.640 because of the they said we were supposed to have a vote in the congress he says that's not necessary

00:27:48.420 i get my authority from the united nation i was about to scream but but but they do yeah do it and

00:27:56.300 there's too much that's why i go back to you have to have education and that's why you know i have the

00:28:03.020 homeschooling and once again glenn i know you're supportive of homeschooling and you said a few good

00:28:08.500 things about my own school yeah i appreciate that um the world economic forum

00:28:15.240 they are uh i mean truly frightening uh this is a group of elites that you know every conspiracy

00:28:26.020 theory every you know star chamber movie is it it's almost like a parody of itself uh you know

00:28:35.920 they've got a guy with a german accent it leads it a bald bond villain uh and they are they

00:28:42.980 they they they truly believe that they can take the world and violate all of human nature and make

00:28:53.920 a new world what are your thoughts on the world economic forum well it should be disappeared

00:29:04.460 intellectually speaking because uh yes it is a powerful force and they're using the same tools

00:29:12.120 that i'm advocating for liberty uh they i mean you take a guy like soros and others before the world

00:29:19.340 economic council camp that uh that they got a hold of the educational system and then they moved along

00:29:27.360 from there our universities were there and even with covid it looks like they've taken over completely

00:29:34.040 the medical profession which is really sad and scary that uh yeah and but at the same sense a few people

00:29:43.580 have uh awakened uh they they know this and uh more people did more people know what's going on during

00:29:50.840 the lockdown yeah and they did before the lockdown yeah and and they're they're looking like the american

00:29:57.060 people are ready to resist that but just think glenn how horrible this was that if you were a physician

00:30:03.560 and you were speaking out and you happen to be associated with a university or a hospital they say well

00:30:09.340 you you can't say that ivermectin can be used and you and the patient decide whether or not you want to

00:30:14.860 have it you're out of here and a lot of people lost a lot of a lot of uh you know positions they get

00:30:21.720 fired that that way that is continuing to and that once again is the destruction of the doctor patient

00:30:29.080 relationship which is part of all this uh world economic council because they they are the bad news

00:30:36.440 and uh the only thing i can think of is counteracted with the good news of what liberty is all about

00:30:43.340 so what is um when you when you go to the world economic forum and you see what's happening

00:30:51.040 let's go into um ukraine you were early on the first revolution in ukraine ringing the bell saying

00:31:01.840 this is this is not on the up and up um when the state department did the next revolution i think it was

00:31:11.420 in 2014 i think uh that was that was all the the the state department and players like the clintons

00:31:21.020 and uh the bidens and obama and soros now we have this

00:31:27.100 tell me what you think is going on with ukraine why is this so important to the elites because the

00:31:37.340 american people are not for it well it's failing and people are waking up and i think early compared to

00:31:45.660 how long it took people to wake up about vietnam but uh no i saw that as uh a position it wouldn't

00:31:54.080 have happened without the united states supporting it and it's our empire desire for empire and people

00:31:59.540 you know capitulate and say well we have to be part of the empire and ukraine wanted to be part of it

00:32:05.320 but it was a unique mess because about a third or more was really russia it had a russian language and

00:32:12.380 russian people and there was a border dispute a border dispute and it went on but i think it was

00:32:20.020 the expansion that we had promised that we would not put our vessels missiles up and yet we broke our

00:32:27.240 promises and did it anyway and uh so so it got way out of whack on the pr now now the hatred and

00:32:35.920 questions about russia is just no no rationality about it yet when the cold war ended boy i was

00:32:43.400 delighted a lot of people were and we did see some things we started traveling to russia trading with

00:32:49.900 russia they were building or you know oil pipelines to europe and i always argued which our founders are

00:32:56.580 you trade with people you're less likely to fight with them yes but all of a sudden that was a challenge

00:33:02.020 to the empire and the empire is uh very much we're very much in charge of the empire and that's why

00:33:08.600 we have the reserve currency but it also means that because that demonstrates how big it is it seems

00:33:14.860 like it's not as powerful as they thought there's no cakewalk uh in ukraine a lot of people have

00:33:22.020 suffered and the people who suffered weren't the ones that said you know let's get together and have a

00:33:26.720 i mocked that attitude because i said all these wars who fight the wars the kids 18 to 25 i said do

00:33:33.700 the 18 year olds and the 25 get together from the 18 year olds in russia and they say oh you know life

00:33:41.600 is boring let's have a war no no it's these scoundrels these scoundrels are going to make billions of

00:33:47.980 dollars building airplanes like the f-35 that doesn't work oh that doesn't matter it's good for jobs and

00:33:55.220 the republicans say that they say you know the military budget is good because of a lot of job

00:33:59.960 but it's robbery it's highway robbery it's stealing from the poor people paying through it with fraudulent

00:34:05.380 money and undermining the the wealth of the poor people and that's why you're going to see a lot more

00:34:11.780 people living in the street so what was was it our incompetence this administration's incompetence

00:34:21.640 that sent the signal to russia um was it a backdoor deal for some reason or another with this

00:34:31.660 administration uh we laundering money what what is what is really behind that well a lot of it wasn't as

00:34:41.320 clear cut and written but the conversations were very clear and it was under uh hw bush and uh

00:34:48.900 and it started really after world war ii but then later on another one but uh it was very well known

00:34:57.400 that uh we were to keep our weapons away from eastern eastern europe and uh but we kept encroaching

00:35:05.320 and encroaching and then it looked like the big battle for how far we can get away with it was ukraine

00:35:12.760 because it was the last last uh country but all of us but all of us knew is that just absolute

00:35:21.360 incompetence and stupidity on the president's part because i mean we all knew we all watched it happen

00:35:29.600 it's like a slow motion train wreck we're like we'll tell them that they can't get into nato we've already

00:35:35.240 promised that what are you doing i i think they brainwashed themselves they come to believe in their

00:35:41.240 own lies and and but i think they're uh drunk on power and uh then there's uh the people who are

00:35:48.380 drunk on power are the politicians and they go along with the people who are drunk on money

00:35:52.460 and the military industrial you already mentioned military industrial conflict that is a big deal

00:35:58.380 and uh we could we could do with a lot less of that and this is why when i had to deal with what

00:36:05.680 are your proposals then how are we going to get back to a balanced budget i said well you need to use

00:36:11.120 a little common sense if uh if you want to do it why don't you cut foreign aid and some of this

00:36:16.700 militarism and all these profits that go to these these companies and uh and don't cut food stamps

00:36:25.360 first you know that's right that's what they're currently talking about right i'm like i wouldn't

00:36:30.260 vote for food stamps program but right now we had food stamps at that farm and uh and food program

00:36:37.960 that's both poor people's uh food stamps and rich people's food stamps but we shouldn't have any but

00:36:44.400 if you're trying to work toward a distant i i never want to say well the first thing i'm going to cut

00:36:49.120 our food stamps to poor people in medical care to poor people right it makes no sense if you're trying

00:36:54.480 to work with people and and wean them off but uh unfortunately everybody's going to be weaned off

00:37:00.980 except the very very super powerful who will pick up all the pieces and walk away with maybe the gold

00:37:07.540 or who knows what unless we wake up so talk to me about the deep state your your understanding of

00:37:16.820 the deep state i mean i always thought that there was a problem with these people that just stay in

00:37:23.880 washington i've always thought that there was an arrogance of the state department they really didn't

00:37:29.220 care but when donald trump talked about the deep state at first i was a little uncomfortable with that

00:37:36.420 because i was like that sounds like a star chamber and i don't think it how i'm not sure i don't think

00:37:42.360 it's a star chamber but it's just arrogant people who think alike that are moving in their direction

00:37:51.480 no matter who's elected or what's done and now they're becoming extraordinarily dangerous with the

00:37:58.380 intel being a part of that what is your understanding of it well i don't think there's 12 or 15 or 20

00:38:07.820 people that we hear about their meetings that they get together i don't think they have board meetings

00:38:13.420 and lay their plans out i don't think it's like that i think it's philosophic yes and that uh they it's

00:38:20.000 ingrained in a system through our universities and uh that that is uh what what they do they they come up

00:38:27.320 with uh these wild screams like esg and and and what is amazing is the people who go along with all

00:38:34.740 that stuff and uh but it's a it's a it's a group of people i think george soros i would put him in the

00:38:41.060 deep state yes but they're i associate with people and it's not as monolithic as i think some people

00:38:47.260 think but they're very very powerful and uh believe me the deep state those very very wealthy bankers

00:38:55.060 who controlled things maybe just through finances they were very much involved in bringing about

00:39:00.000 you know the uh uh the the the uh bringing about the fed you know uh stephers and the fed of course

00:39:08.620 they they had a major victory in 1913 and uh glenn if we could do anything why don't we just cancel

00:39:15.020 1913 get rid of the irs get rid of the irs yeah get rid of all the bad money and woodrow wilson

00:39:23.740 actually yeah there you go yeah i was just going to think of that our minds are thinking the same

00:39:29.240 yeah yeah making making the world safe for democracy right of course the founders didn't even the founders

00:39:34.840 didn't even like the word democracy because when you have the 51 percent put together by the deep state

00:39:40.600 they could get they could do anything they want to the minority and who's in most favor that the

00:39:46.620 liberals who are supposed to be taking care of the minority and the people that are hurting no uh it's it's

00:39:53.180 it's not a good system and i think ideas are so powerful and i think good ideas when they come

00:40:00.820 along cannot be stopped the armies can't stop them because even with or without the internet i think

00:40:07.200 good ideas will filter through and eventually have you know have an influence but the problem is it's

00:40:14.400 very slow and it's very tedious and it's very uncomfortable but i think the only way i tolerate

00:40:20.620 the problems with you know trying to bring about change is i try to think you know you should try

00:40:27.020 to find people who are like-minded and convert people and try to have a good time doing it so i think uh

00:40:33.960 going to conferences and things and meeting other people we won't all will we all be different we'll

00:40:39.500 all be libertarian like right and uh you get together and meet people that have the same goals

00:40:46.280 uh speaking of libertarianism it to i think it was 2014 the new york times said uh has the libertarian

00:40:54.580 moment finally arrived and it kind of felt like that it really felt like that at the time and now it seems

00:41:04.500 that so many people they might hate the deep state or they hate the big government but they want to keep it

00:41:15.080 so we can turn it around and use it on you know our foes what happened to the no this is a really bad

00:41:24.100 idea unconstitutional it's not america dismantle what what happened to those freedom fighters

00:41:33.760 well i think uh what has happened to people who have been made dependent on all these programs

00:41:41.300 they get worried and they don't hear the other side of the story and they become more aggressive

00:41:46.740 and the politicians you know react to that but i think there's been a crack in this i just don't

00:41:52.760 think it's uh it's quite that bad uh because i look toward you know the people who are teaching

00:42:00.140 better economics and there's a lot and and you know people said how can you stand uh going out there

00:42:07.960 those college campuses and i loved it because college kids i think they're more open-minded i

00:42:13.980 don't know if you ever found that out but young people are very open-minded to some of our viewpoints

00:42:19.020 that's critical and that's wonderful and if you go i say yeah i'd rather go talk to a bunch of college

00:42:24.940 kids at berkeley campus where i had a good reception than i would to the chamber of commerce because the

00:42:32.140 chamber of commerce people they uh they're the ones as i campaigned in my district and around the

00:42:37.980 country they say well how are you going to protect this for me and this for me and they are protectionism

00:42:44.040 they're the ones who want to say well keep keep out those japanese cars because we're having trouble

00:42:49.420 selling our cars it's all protectionism which i'm obviously not a fan of uh and we want competition

00:42:57.340 we want freedom and we want rewards for doing a good job but uh there's there's uh every all the

00:43:05.660 arguments are on our side so i keep telling people i don't know why we're losing this it must be our

00:43:11.000 fault we must not know how to present the case for liberty well enough to get more people but i do think

00:43:17.480 glenn that uh there are a lot of people out there i think they're quiet and i think they're they're waking

00:43:23.040 up i think there are there are yeah there there's the uh world economic forums that are around and

00:43:28.740 several of those monstrous things but there's also libertarian groups i don't think they're

00:43:34.180 loud mouths and i don't think they're i think they're smaller i don't think our numbers are crucial

00:43:40.280 you don't have to have 51 you need 15 or 20 of the people saying you know i do believe in liberty

00:43:46.880 and they influence people uh outside of that and that influence means you eventually have to convince

00:43:53.640 the electorate that it's good idea to defend your liberties rather than saying all i need is more

00:44:00.320 government i make fun of the issue on on inflation you know the government had we run up all these

00:44:05.300 debts for war and welfare and then they print too much money and we hand the prices go up and they

00:44:11.200 don't the people don't exactly understand it so they come to washington and they say you help me out

00:44:16.720 help me out give us more money if the prices are too high but that that's the cause it's too much

00:44:23.700 money it and there's pretty good statistic to show that when they do that the devaluation and the value

00:44:31.180 of your currency goes down faster than you can get your wages to go up it never can keep up and then

00:44:37.160 then you have the uh social turmoil that comes along with all this and and the anger which is something i

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00:46:16.400 i'm concerned especially here recently after october 7th the wild anti-semitism that is coming out of the

00:46:29.020 college campuses it is you know it's happening all over the world where there's you know they're

00:46:36.900 paintings um stars of david on people's houses and their businesses in paris france um it it's

00:46:46.340 it seems um a little unreasonable i have no problem standing up for the palestinians standing up for

00:46:55.640 the jews when they're right when they're wrong you know we work things out but when you when you

00:47:01.480 start to look at terror tactics and say terrorism is justified going into somebody's house and killing

00:47:08.680 their children raping their their wives or you know kidnapping somebody in the family that's terrorism

00:47:16.600 and you once said we can't wage war against a tactic because terror is a tactic how do we fight

00:47:25.180 this this hatred that is happening well to me it's a moral issue and uh politicians don't have much

00:47:37.220 control of that uh other than maybe the good ones can set a set a standard uh it's it's uh it's

00:47:46.800 for libertarians it's not difficult for me because it's a principle of non-aggression and that means

00:47:53.120 you can't initiate force if you're going to be moral if you want to be and that fits into my religious

00:47:59.520 beliefs if it's into my economic beliefs and my foreign policy beliefs that you can't have aggression

00:48:07.120 and uh the big problem though is that uh it gets a little bit confusing who was the first aggressor

00:48:15.140 what have they been fighting for 300 years who started this fight but uh aggression if there's any

00:48:21.620 calm which you aim for the people should not it's an immoral wrong and you're doing the wrong thing

00:48:29.020 if you initiate aggression and you know people people generally like that i don't know i've had a

00:48:36.020 rather good experience with neighborhoods and where i've lived you know uh in pennsylvania and the

00:48:42.020 military and schools and all this and i've never had to nobody ever walked into my house and said

00:48:48.780 okay move over and bump me around and say i'm gonna you have three cars i'm taking one

00:48:54.400 no they don't they don't do that and i think bastiat explains this that you can you can do you can't

00:49:02.840 you can't give the government the right to do what you're not allowed correct and glenn i think most

00:49:08.680 people understand you don't walk into your neighbor's house especially in texas and take something that

00:49:14.420 you like i mean it there would be some protection against that but if you do this uh it it's a it's a it's a

00:49:23.000 big deal but what we have done is we've given the government the authority and they get rewarded

00:49:28.160 for it and then this generates all this lobbying stuff one of the things that i like the best or

00:49:34.200 was proud of the most and that sort of tells uh puts me in a certain category is that uh people say

00:49:41.400 how do you put up with the lobbyists i said i never have lobbyists come to my door they never

00:49:47.360 bother me because they already have the answer and uh i think that's what we need we need to

00:49:55.500 we should not give that power and authority to the constitution so it comes down to a legal issue

00:50:01.680 and a moral issue the founders were exceptionally clear on yeah we're giving you a republic and we're

00:50:08.900 giving you some liberty and this could work but it uh if the morality of the people disintegrates

00:50:15.700 so will your republic and i'm afraid we're there but i'm not giving up and thinking they can't be

00:50:20.980 right because on an individual level i've seen so many people do things even even since i've been not

00:50:28.560 it literally in politics i've been to a lot of people who have done a lot of good and i think that's

00:50:35.120 doing this it's growing and it's not the kind of thing you're going to hear on the news

00:50:40.460 and uh but uh i i think that is what we have to encourage and besides once they grasp that

00:50:48.600 and i've had a lot of young people come up to it says you know i finally get it and he's the one

00:50:55.540 one that one comment i enjoy is you know ron it's just common sense what you're talking about and i

00:51:02.880 would i would hope that it's common sense because if it isn't they're not going to listen

00:51:06.800 so um when you look at the constitution i've been saying this for a long time i'll stand with any man

00:51:15.980 if you can give me the bill of rights if if we can't agree on the bill of rights then i i don't know if

00:51:24.240 i have enough in common i don't know because that's what i'm fighting for that everybody is treated the

00:51:30.320 same under the law it justice is blind you have a right to say and as my father used to say i really

00:51:37.800 disagree with ron paul if if you would for this case i really disagree with him but i'll fight to

00:51:43.740 the death for his right to say it we've lost that and now with social media we've lost freedom of speech

00:51:53.140 with the white house influencing that we have 20 somethings 30 somethings now that think that there

00:52:00.580 are limits on free speech make the case for the bill of rights yes and number one we can start with

00:52:10.480 number one because as i was leaving congress a couple years ago i had a little talk to give

00:52:17.100 and i use the first amendment as as the lead in to what you're talking about because the first

00:52:24.100 amendment is supposed to give us the right to speak out right tell people we don't have the first

00:52:28.980 amendment so we can talk about the weather i said we have it because we have the right to criticize

00:52:33.540 our government if the government is not following following the rules and uh and then you've already

00:52:39.700 pointed out uh glenn where it's been abused and it has been i mean it is a fascist system now

00:52:46.700 because governments have been directing the fbi and other government agencies working with the

00:52:52.420 social medias to punish them yeah and that all came out of you know the the lockdown and you say

00:52:59.480 well why don't you throw in the towel how are you ever going to do that with a better idea and because

00:53:04.860 this system isn't going to work so there's there's going to be an opening and i think the openings are

00:53:09.800 occurring and uh i i i just think there are more people when i went to congress and first time was in

00:53:18.040 76 and it was over the economic issues and uh i talked about the federal reserve and stuff people say

00:53:26.120 what in the world are you talking about you know but guess what glenn uh you and others talk about the

00:53:34.460 federal reserve and you've done it for a good many years now and and you can use that for the illegal

00:53:40.920 unconstitutional uh use of fraud to to pass you know send message around the country and get people

00:53:48.900 to do these kind of things but no uh the bill of rights is a good summary of uh of what we should do

00:53:56.200 and of course they fought over that to bring it in people argued that we should we shouldn't have a

00:54:01.340 bill of rights and and those were the people who tended to want bigger government correct correct um

00:54:08.120 you have seen so much first of all you've run for president three times the first time and what a

00:54:14.960 different world we would be in if you would have won in 88 instead of george w bush george hw bush

00:54:22.400 um you ran again in 2008 and then 12 what do you think of the current set of politicians do you see

00:54:36.760 anybody on the horizon that gives you hope

00:54:39.900 bits and pieces uh every once in a while almost every one of them said something that's good that's good

00:54:48.400 uh and um i uh uh no i i'm pretty cynical about the political action from year to year

00:54:58.060 and this year it's harder to say it than ever that uh doesn't make any difference and then when you look

00:55:05.340 at some of the scandalous things done on one hand and not on the other hand but uh who who are we going

00:55:14.060 to elect you have to have the support by the people and the and the intellectual community but

00:55:20.360 uh well can we pick can you and i agree and then we'll start start a rally for the individual that

00:55:27.280 is dedicated a hundred percent to get rid of the federal reserve that's that's too much you can't

00:55:32.620 take that on oh okay we're going to do away with welfare right you know okay we're going to do away

00:55:37.680 with the with the executive orders that allows president to do almost anything they want and we

00:55:43.480 would you know go on and on and uh and i don't have anybody like that because i think uh i think the

00:55:51.240 deficit's going to continue i don't matter there's no one person in there that if is elected and people

00:55:57.240 say well what would you have done then i said the truth is that you suggested what would have been

00:56:02.120 like if i don't want an ada well about ada and one month later they say get rid of this guy one way

00:56:09.100 or the other yeah because because they wouldn't be ready that's why you have to get people ready and

00:56:15.160 that's why uh that's why they're working very hard and when i see the collusion of big business

00:56:22.200 working very closely with social media and then we have a tougher time defending the right of speech

00:56:28.580 free speech on social media but now the evidence is out the social media is not independent they're

00:56:35.960 not just the newspaper you know reporting the news they're in there as participants and it is a form

00:56:42.900 of fascism that's going on here and that's why the bill of rights is so important that's why the first

00:56:49.240 amendment is important but i still believe that good information can spread i they don't think i don't

00:56:56.000 think they can stop the good information and you say well there's not enough yet ron you there's not

00:57:01.060 51 percent well you know the founders probably had about eight or nine percent of the populations

00:57:07.080 in support of uh of the uh challenge to the british empire so uh you know the ideas are important but you

00:57:14.740 still have to get support from the people uh and i talk about calling that a prevailing attitude

00:57:20.840 the people have an attitude and when the attitude so the attitude had to change say in the 60s against

00:57:28.600 the vietnam first ignore it totally and then complain a little bit and then have to riot in the streets

00:57:34.660 the attitude finally changed and the politician finally woke up and i think our job ought to be glenn

00:57:41.620 is to try to wake people up before they get involved in this stuff it's hard that's hard so how do you

00:57:48.040 stop this spending not very easily because if you cut it off uh i i think i mentioned that uh you can't

00:57:55.800 you have to cut it off wisely or something like foreign aid before children's health care but i'm not

00:58:01.820 very optimistic that uh that's my optimism doesn't leave me that's going to happen no uh we should put as

00:58:08.520 many people as we can to spread the message but at the same time uh they uh it's going to come

00:58:15.660 elsewhere and it's going to come from you know in the early 80s you may recall there was a strong

00:58:21.200 attack against homes uh homeschooling and also private schooling yeah and right now you could

00:58:27.620 still you could do it and uh and and i think uh you know locked on there was a tremendous boost in

00:58:35.200 that type of education oh yeah so that's good that's good so uh what was the numbers are secondary

00:58:42.060 in your in your vast career i mean you graduated uh college i think in 1957

00:58:49.280 and you have been active in so many different things what is the most significant event

00:58:59.560 in your lifetime that you look at that you witnessed you saw you were a part of

00:59:05.200 or just alive for what was what was the most significant event and i think you're thinking

00:59:12.960 along political and education no anything anything okay my most significant event was i got married in

00:59:20.600 1957 and i graduated from college in 1957 in 1957 i started medical school those were significant but

00:59:34.340 those were personal yeah that might qualify for your question but no i i think the event even though i

00:59:42.960 got involved in study of economics say in the 60s i know when i was in medical school i was reading about

00:59:48.820 this uh this is fascinating stuff and then i got to meet some of the big names in austrian economics

00:59:55.980 i heard thesis lecture i knew murray real well and so sense holds these people that really uh and they

01:00:03.480 were making predictions about he can't last uh the branton woods system is going to break down

01:00:10.760 so i was sitting watching television on august 15th 1971 and guess what nixon came on with a special

01:00:18.760 a special message and he said no no uh no more honoring the dollar at a dollar

01:00:27.140 with gold uh even though the american people still weren't allowed to own it but at least we were

01:00:33.160 trying to limit our money so foreigners would use it building our reserve status so he got rid of that he put

01:00:41.020 on wage and price controls and he put on tariffs and i wow i was jumping up and i what in the thunder

01:00:48.500 there was only one person in the whole town where i lived that uh another doctor that understood this

01:00:55.180 stuff so i called him i said look at what look at what look at what they're doing but i went to a

01:01:01.020 chamber i already made a critique about chamber of commerce but that's uh you know yeah no i know that's

01:01:09.120 a sore subject for me too i was a member i was a member for a long time yeah so i was attending one

01:01:14.220 of our legislative meetings which was routine on august i i i nixon talked on a sunday so monday i went to

01:01:21.400 my legislative committee meeting at the chamber and uh the chamber came out and they were so excited

01:01:28.920 it was wonderful and i thought what and then then i looked at the stock market and the stock market

01:01:36.240 up until that time went up more in one day uh ever ever before so the stocks they were fooled into it

01:01:44.660 it was all anyways and it was i thought this just huge step watch out things are going to change

01:01:51.220 because at that time gold was 35 an ounce said now is a couple dollars more than that ready to do a lot

01:01:58.800 a lot more yeah we haven't learned our economic lessons and uh just as i thought and anticipated i

01:02:06.520 thought it was a good idea we could still buy silver silver was in circulation in 1971 so you could still

01:02:13.500 you know as silver i was saving silver it was a dollar 29 an ounce back then now and so i started

01:02:21.360 doing that but it had but it had a major that was in 71 and 74 i started speaking out and i ran for

01:02:29.960 office in 74 and my wife carol said what do you do that for you know it's just that's not necessary

01:02:37.180 and i said don't worry about it i'm not going to get elected i said this is just this is just therapy

01:02:44.580 for me so i'm going to talk about it she said no she says yeah that people are going to believe what

01:02:50.420 you're saying and they're going to elect you uh a year or so later they did uh so i had a very very

01:02:57.020 low anticipation rate and uh for that reason i thought i could just say anything i want if i believed in

01:03:04.940 it and i think that was the uh best asset i had because people came around to thinking well we like this

01:03:12.320 idea of uh of hard money and i found out there were a lot of i was impressed with the fact that a lot

01:03:17.360 of working people came and uh there because their wages were being eroded so i that that excited me and

01:03:25.640 and i saw so i ran in those years over the economic issue the spending uh and all the debt we had and

01:03:33.140 sound money but uh as i as i learned more about it i got more fascinated with uh non-interventionist

01:03:41.700 foreign policy i had already yeah one of the reasons i gave for going to medical school was

01:03:48.060 well i didn't i didn't have long-term plans i got to be a doctor i got to be a doctor but in the midst

01:03:53.760 of all this i said i didn't like the idea of seeing what was happening in vietnam and how many people

01:03:59.960 were getting killed and i said i can't shoot people so i think i'll go into medicine uh i know i'll be

01:04:07.100 drafted if i'm a doctor at least i won't be shooting i'm not going to take a gun and uh lo and behold

01:04:13.040 1972 with uh during the missile crisis and with vietnam or with uh yeah vietnam i was drafted i ended

01:04:20.440 up in the military for five years wow um last question if you could only read about one president

01:04:29.720 good or bad that you would learn the most from to restore or to uh understand america's principles

01:04:39.800 and somebody who really screwed it up or somebody who really had it right which president would you

01:04:45.860 pick i would pick jefferson you know and i see him sometimes and when i look at the thing uh

01:04:54.100 that maybe i wouldn't agree with wholeheartedly but who do you find that you happen no i i think

01:05:01.260 i think he understood the constitution and he had to uh uh challenge uh you know the uh the people back

01:05:09.880 even then uh hamilton he had to have a few debates and he did away with the first national bank and

01:05:16.800 so i would i would stick with jefferson and uh that uh uh would would be the best choice i could come

01:05:25.860 up with yeah ron thank you for everything that you've done and are continuing to do thanks for

01:05:32.040 educating so many uh people including myself it's an honor to to know you and to talk to you thank you

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The Glenn Beck Program - November 04, 2023

Ep 201 ｜ Ron Paul： Unnecessary War Is Highway ROBBERY ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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