The Glenn Beck Program - Ep 202 ｜ What to Tell ‘Woke Idiots’ Who Hate Israel ｜ Konstantin Kisin ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

00:00:00.000 Lately, the left has been insisting that the word woke is powerless and outdated.

00:00:07.320 Or as Michelle Goldberg smugly argued in the New York Times, the right's obsession with wokeness is a sign of weakness.

00:00:15.480 Nearly every mainstream news outlet has published articles making the same claim.

00:00:20.980 They couldn't be more wrong.

00:00:22.840 They pull this move every time they're cornered.

00:00:25.480 It's a great way to escape personal responsibility and to avoid the consequences of their terrible ideas.

00:00:32.540 The worst part is they usually get away with this cowardly move.

00:00:36.460 Today's guest gave a fantastic speech at this year's ARC conference, the anti Davos conference put on by Jordan Peterson.

00:00:45.700 As a comedian, podcaster and political commentator, today's guest has spent years warning people in the West that woke culture was on its way, making it the subject of his book, An Immigrant's Love Letter to the West.

00:01:01.520 He offers what he jokingly describes as politically non-binary options and opinions on culture, politics and comedy.

00:01:10.720 His podcast, Trigger-nometry, features interviews with many of the interesting and provocative voices of our time.

00:01:18.740 Please welcome today's podcast guest, Constantine Kissin'.

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00:02:48.000 Constantine, how are you?

00:02:50.340 Glenn, how are you?

00:02:51.180 I am very good.

00:02:52.000 We ask each other the same questions.

00:02:53.760 I am very well as well.

00:02:54.760 Yeah.

00:02:55.800 Are you in London now?

00:02:58.320 I am.

00:02:59.060 Yeah.

00:02:59.320 You live in London.

00:03:00.420 I read a story today where one of the police officers said to a press person when they were asked,

00:03:14.520 why are they letting the Palestinians just kind of go a little wild, he said, because there's more of them than us, which is a little frightening, a little terrifying.

00:03:27.320 What is happening in London?

00:03:30.860 Well, what you just described, we've had five weeks now where people have been, look, there's been large protests.

00:03:39.840 A lot of the people there are there for perfectly reasonable protests to express their opinion.

00:03:45.440 But some of them are not.

00:03:47.440 Some of them are chanting things like jihad, rise up, rise up, army of Mohammed.

00:03:51.900 And when, as you say, members of the public say to the police, why aren't you stopping this?

00:03:57.240 They say there is more of them than there is of us, which is interesting because only two days ago on Saturday, we had Remembrance Sunday, which is when we commemorate British soldiers killed in World War One.

00:04:09.840 And there were some non-Palestine protesters, they were described as counter protesters, who were there as well.

00:04:19.220 And the police seem to have absolutely no problem isolating a large group of them and arresting them.

00:04:24.400 So it seems to me really that the way that Britain is being policed at the moment is if you can get enough of your friends together to threaten and intimidate the police, they will not get involved in your protest.

00:04:34.660 If there's not quite enough of you to be scary, they won't.

00:04:37.340 I just read this, this headline today, London, former British Prime Minister David Cameron made an unexpected return to high office on Monday, becoming foreign secretary, major shakeup of the conservative government that also saw the firing of divisive home secretary, Suella Braverman.

00:04:55.500 And when I saw the word divisive, I thought, oh, she must be, she must be full of common sense.

00:05:03.000 I don't know anything.

00:05:04.480 She must be telling the truth.

00:05:05.900 Right.

00:05:06.260 She must be principled.

00:05:07.980 She must be speaking for the silent majority.

00:05:10.560 She must be saying things that most people in the country believe.

00:05:13.680 Absolutely.

00:05:14.800 And so it's so funny that we have got to a point where when you hear one word, you instantly know everything about that person.

00:05:22.080 Yeah, absolutely.

00:05:23.080 So Suella Braverman is, I think she's a second generation immigrant.

00:05:26.980 I myself am a first generation immigrant.

00:05:29.180 And what she's saying is we need to stop illegal immigration.

00:05:31.780 This is very controversial, of course, you understand, because people have a right to come to the country with no checks and controls, as we, of course, all know.

00:05:42.700 In fact, I was doing an interview with Times Radio, the Times of London Radio, a week ago.

00:05:48.500 And I made this point about illegal immigration.

00:05:50.600 And the presenter said to me, hold on, Constantine, but you're an immigrant.

00:05:54.840 Why don't these people have as much of a right as you to come?

00:05:59.900 And I said to her, no one has a right to come anyway.

00:06:03.020 It's up to the people of Britain or the people of America to decide who comes, when, in what number, for what purpose, et cetera.

00:06:09.440 And this is just, we've got to a point, I think somewhere in the mid-90s, this thing happened where we went from immigration is good, and that's why we manage it, we control it, we invite people who are going to be beneficial to our country, to immigration is a moral good.

00:06:26.120 And it's something that must happen irrespective of how it happens, irrespective of what the numbers are, et cetera.

00:06:31.920 So, Serla Braverman was one of the people who, one of the very few people who was willing to be honest about that issue.

00:06:38.100 She was one of the very few people who was prepared to be honest about policing double standards.

00:06:42.740 This is the thing that really got her fired. 1.00

00:06:45.540 She dared, Glenn, to point out that when we had BLM protests, the police kneeled in front of the protesters.

00:06:52.860 And when a couple of months later we had anti-lockdown protests, the police kneeled on the protesters.

00:06:59.920 She made that point.

00:07:01.220 And this was immediately described as undermining the police.

00:07:06.580 Whereas a lot of people, I think, in the public think that it's police double standards that are undermining confidence in the police.

00:07:13.140 But there you go.

00:07:15.080 So, when I was over in London recently, there were places that I was told, oh, no, you don't want to go.

00:07:25.420 I think Paddington Station was one of them.

00:07:27.580 And I went through a few places in London where it could have been Baghdad.

00:07:35.520 If it wasn't for the uniquely English buildings, it could have been Baghdad.

00:07:42.400 It did not look at all like London.

00:07:48.820 And that's, you know, that's, I guess, racist to say in today's world.

00:07:54.080 But it's not because there's no assimilation.

00:07:57.920 No assimilation. 0.77

00:07:59.000 When that's not happening, how long is London or the West going to survive?

00:08:04.900 Come on, Glenn.

00:08:06.920 Stop being racist.

00:08:07.760 Diversity is our strength, man.

00:08:09.980 How?

00:08:11.060 Divide and conquer. 0.98

00:08:13.060 I mean, how?

00:08:14.220 That's what everyone says.

00:08:17.080 I'm just telling you what the party line is.

00:08:19.180 The party line is diversity is our strength.

00:08:22.040 And diversity can be our strength if everybody who comes from different places comes together and says, we are all American.

00:08:28.380 Yes.

00:08:28.620 Or we are all British.

00:08:29.420 Yes.

00:08:29.960 We all subscribe to the same ideas.

00:08:32.960 Correct.

00:08:33.300 We all believe in the future of our country.

00:08:36.100 We want to live by a broadly similar set of rules.

00:08:38.360 We all believe men and women are equal, for example, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

00:08:44.480 But what we have is something else.

00:08:46.160 We don't have that, which is what I think a healthy multi-ethnic society looks like. 1.00

00:08:52.200 We have multiculturalism.

00:08:53.660 And that's the idea that people should be free to live any which way they want, speak any language they want, integrate or not integrate, up to them, really.

00:09:01.440 And, you know, operate completely in complete isolation from the country to which they've come.

00:09:06.200 And when there's enough of them to demand that that country becomes more like the country from which they came.

00:09:11.840 We have a our country's motto is E Pluribus Unum from many one.

00:09:18.720 We're not one anymore.

00:09:20.700 There's nothing that none of the big principles bring us together.

00:09:25.620 And when I hear people on the street quoting Hitler.

00:09:29.940 I and and I'm so used now to be calling be called a Nazi because and I don't know how I won the Defender of Israel award.

00:09:40.060 I don't know how I'm anti-Semite, but somehow or another, I'm an anti-Semitic Nazi. 0.73

00:09:46.080 And then I hear people on the streets quoting Hitler.

00:09:52.340 I wonder, is anyone going to wake up from this?

00:09:57.160 Are there?

00:09:57.720 No, no, no, no, no, no.

00:09:59.960 These people who spent seven years at least calling everybody a Nazi, they don't recognize Nazis when they see them.

00:10:05.640 And it's interesting because the counter protesters we talked about a second ago, they were described as the far right in all the media publications in this country.

00:10:15.720 They were held up as the real problem.

00:10:18.340 And I keep saying to people when I think of what we in the UK call the far right.

00:10:22.960 I know it's a little bit different over in the US.

00:10:24.900 But in the UK, when we talk about the far right, what we mean is people who are racist, people who are homophobic, people who think that women are second class citizens and should be treated as such.

00:10:35.140 And people who believe in the use of violence to achieve their political objectives.

00:10:39.060 We've had the far right on the streets of our city for five weeks.

00:10:42.700 And it doesn't look like these counter protesters.

00:10:44.740 It looks like people shouting for jihad, rise up, rise up, army of Mohammed. 0.91

00:10:49.320 And as you say, praising Hitler. 0.64

00:10:50.900 But if you import lots of people from places where praising Hitler is normal, this is what happens. 0.90

00:10:55.960 So where do we go from here?

00:10:57.920 How do we I mean, your your government and our government is just getting weaker and weaker.

00:11:03.940 It's honestly.

00:11:05.900 If you had to judge them by their actions, they're all in with BLM protests, burning cities. 0.97

00:11:13.440 They're all in with Hamas just judging by their actions. 0.87

00:11:18.720 So I think it's much worse than that.

00:11:21.520 I don't think they're all in.

00:11:22.840 I think they don't know what to do.

00:11:24.700 They're scared.

00:11:25.500 They're terrified.

00:11:26.840 We have a political system that filters out, certainly in this country, anyone who's prepared to speak the truth.

00:11:32.040 I mean, we just talked about one example of it.

00:11:34.220 The one politician in the Conservative Party who was willing to be honest is the one that they've got rid of.

00:11:40.100 And we have a political system that is calibrated precisely around making sure that nobody who's actually honest ever reaches a position of power.

00:11:50.620 And if by some miracle they do, we get rid of them.

00:11:53.960 And I don't know how that changes.

00:11:56.080 When I speak to my Jewish friends in the UK, I'll be honest with you, most of them are talking about leaving.

00:12:00.140 To go where?

00:12:03.360 Israel? 0.53

00:12:05.120 Probably not Israel. 0.69

00:12:06.420 Maybe they hope that America is a place that still holds on to its values.

00:12:11.820 I hope so, too.

00:12:13.460 But I'm shocked on what I'm seeing all across America.

00:12:19.060 I mean, shocked.

00:12:21.600 I've been warning about it.

00:12:23.280 This is why the ADL has called me, you know, a Nazi and anti-Semite, because I've been warning about the seeds of the Holocaust.

00:12:33.720 They've been planted here for 15, 20 years, and nobody's looking at what's sprouting up everywhere.

00:12:42.180 And I guess you're a Nazi if you say, hey, we should pull those weeds from the garden and make sure that they don't grow.

00:12:50.040 And now here they are, and it's worse than I thought.

00:12:55.520 Well, what you have is a combination of two things, both very dangerous.

00:12:59.520 One is, obviously, Western countries now have significant populations of people who – and I'm not talking about peaceful, modern Muslims here. 1.00

00:13:07.820 I'm talking about Islamists. 1.00

00:13:09.320 We have a population big enough of Islamists now. 1.00

00:13:13.060 And they seem to get along very well, inexplicably so, with all of these woke idiots that have been created on college campuses and in schools. 0.99

00:13:24.340 And this is where the beautiful – I mean, this is a magical phenomenon of Queers for Palestine comes from. 0.99

00:13:29.460 It's people who don't understand anything about the place about which they're talking about.

00:13:34.540 And, Glenn, I am actually starting a movement.

00:13:37.680 I'd like people like us to get together and start fundraising for one-way tickets to Gaza for all of these people so they can experience the true benefits of everything that they're praising.

00:13:47.880 Hopefully, that may be a way to solve the problem. 0.98

00:13:50.480 I don't – this one – is it stupidity? 1.00

00:13:55.980 Is it just that? 1.00

00:13:57.280 Is it just stupidity? 1.00

00:13:59.200 It is. 1.00

00:13:59.980 Yes. 1.00

00:14:00.820 It's stupidity and ideology. 1.00

00:14:02.720 And this is the point that I think people in the West – and I'm someone who was born in the Soviet Union, so I have a slightly outsider's perspective. 0.99

00:14:10.360 We are victims of our own success here in the West.

00:14:12.820 Yes.

00:14:13.260 We've built some of the most incredible societies in the history of humanity, including, by the way, on those very progressive values that these people love to talk about.

00:14:22.800 If you care about women's rights, where is a better place to be a woman than the United States of America? 1.00

00:14:28.940 If you care about gay rights, where is a better place to be gay than the United States of America?

00:14:33.940 If you care about all sorts of other issues, where is a better place to be than the United States of America and other Western countries?

00:14:41.200 Nowhere.

00:14:41.660 But because we have given our citizens all these incredible opportunities where they don't have to think about anything other than wake up, go to work, make money, have time with my family, et cetera, they're incredibly susceptible to ideology.

00:14:56.020 And the one thing we've forgotten in the West, which strikes me as odd given that you only have to look back about 80 years to see how powerful ideology really is.

00:15:04.540 We've forgotten that if you brainwash people long and hard enough, and if you don't teach them the values of your own society and instead teach them to hate the values of your own society, you will very quickly end up in a place where these people hate your own society.

00:15:18.320 And as long as American schools and American colleges continue to teach young Americans that America is evil, then you will see the scenes that you see on the streets of America where you have all these young people tearing down American flags from various posts and whatever, because this is what they believe.

00:15:36.520 And why would we be surprised about that when they have spent their entire life being educated by people who hate your country and its values?

00:15:44.160 So how do you how do you turn somebody around? 0.99

00:15:46.560 You meet somebody and they're they're honest, but they're stupid or they're in that, but they believe it. 0.99

00:15:52.800 But they'll have a conversation with you. 0.99

00:15:55.120 What do you say to them?

00:15:57.260 Travel, travel, buy a ticket, fly somewhere else, go to another part of the world, see how the rest of the world lives.

00:16:04.360 See how the rest of the world lives.

00:16:06.700 I bet you people who go over to other countries, go to somewhere in Central Asia where I grew up in Uzbekistan.

00:16:12.260 See how people live in Uzbekistan.

00:16:13.940 And then tell me America is bad.

00:16:16.120 Tell me America is bad after you've been there.

00:16:18.340 Go somewhere else.

00:16:19.420 Go to Thailand.

00:16:20.380 Go to Cambodia. 0.92

00:16:21.400 Go to go to some part of the world where people are not quite as rich or as free as you.

00:16:27.380 Tear down their flag.

00:16:28.580 Go to Cambodia and tear down the Cambodian national flag in front in front of the parliament building there.

00:16:33.280 I'm in front of one of the buildings there.

00:16:36.260 Try it.

00:16:37.240 Try it.

00:16:37.540 See what happens.

00:16:38.560 Go to North Korea. 0.52

00:16:39.980 It's the socialist utopia that you keep telling me about.

00:16:43.540 You know, I only grew up in the Soviet Union.

00:16:45.400 You must know better.

00:16:46.460 Go there.

00:16:47.160 Go to North Korea. 0.52

00:16:48.260 Have a look.

00:16:49.280 See what happens there.

00:16:50.660 You know, you can't speak freely in America?

00:16:52.620 Okay.

00:16:53.120 Try that.

00:16:53.940 Let's find out.

00:16:54.900 Travel.

00:16:55.660 That's one thing that, you know, seeing is believing.

00:16:58.220 This is why people are so, I don't know if you saw, I wrote an article for the Free Press about, called The Day the Delusions Died, about October the 7th Massacre.

00:17:08.360 Seeing is believing.

00:17:09.620 This is why people are so shocked by the events of recent days and recent weeks.

00:17:14.220 But it changed you too, though, didn't it?

00:17:16.880 Yeah.

00:17:17.200 Yeah.

00:17:17.820 Yeah.

00:17:18.000 I'll be honest with you, Glenn.

00:17:20.080 And this is probably the first time that I've said this, so people who watch a lot of my stuff will be surprised.

00:17:26.140 But I've spent the last six years, since we started Trigonometry, my YouTube show, and since I've become a public commentator, really saying, I'm very concerned about the things that are happening on the left.

00:17:37.700 But I come from the left.

00:17:39.040 I'm somewhere in the center.

00:17:40.140 There are a lot of things that trouble me on the right.

00:17:42.160 And all of those things are still true.

00:17:44.160 Right.

00:17:44.420 But as of five weeks ago, my view is this isn't the time for ambivalence.

00:17:54.500 There is a side that wants me killed, and there's a side that doesn't.

00:17:57.380 I'm going to go with the one that doesn't.

00:17:59.880 Back with more Constantine in just a second.

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00:19:10.940 It is really hard, because it's hard to find, you know, in World War II, there were some clear good guys.

00:19:21.060 There was, you know, there was Winston Churchill.

00:19:23.580 There was, you know, FDR.

00:19:26.200 Good guys, generally speaking, that were standing up for those principles.

00:19:30.760 But I don't see anyone but the public and the public that's being shut up and shouted down.

00:19:40.920 Where do you, do you see a leader or, because we do have to take a stand, but it seems like we would be taking a stand against everyone with power.

00:19:53.620 Agreed.

00:19:55.560 I think the one reason that I am, I mean, optimistic would probably be overstating it at this point, but the one ray of light and ray of hope that I see is, I think new media is changing the way we have these conversations.

00:20:11.220 New media being what you and I are doing right now.

00:20:13.280 Six years ago, my friend Francis Foster and I, we were two idiot comedians, never thought about politics, really, in any sort of way. 0.91

00:20:23.500 We start a YouTube show. 0.79

00:20:24.700 We're approaching a million subscribers six years later.

00:20:27.980 We are probably the biggest independent cultural and political show in the UK that talks about these issues.

00:20:34.740 As our voices grow, we will give courage to leaders who are willing to come through, who see that there's a constituency out there for what they're trying to do.

00:20:45.460 And Serla Braverman, who we've been talking about, I think potentially is one of those people.

00:20:49.580 There may be others, too, who over the course of the next few years see that there is a constituency out there for the things that they're saying.

00:20:57.300 And we have to encourage people to be brave.

00:21:00.260 And also, this is the thing with Serla Braverman.

00:21:02.740 I mean, she has been fired.

00:21:05.200 I wonder, though, because we, as you probably know, have an election coming up next year.

00:21:10.500 In that election, her party is going to get crushed, obviously. 0.99

00:21:13.880 They're going to get destroyed.

00:21:16.020 What happens then?

00:21:18.340 Because that sort of destruction is an opportunity for reinvention.

00:21:23.280 And at that point, maybe there will come leaders who don't care as much about Guardian headlines as they do about what their own voters think.

00:21:31.860 Maybe that will happen.

00:21:34.680 How do we get to a place to where, because you said, you know, the right is different in America.

00:21:42.220 It is the true right in America is the smallest government you can get before anarchy.

00:21:50.920 So don't empower the government to have enough power to do any of those things.

00:21:55.800 But it's often confused, even here in America, with people, you know, that may be racist or whatever.

00:22:06.700 I tend to put those people on the very far left, total control and anarchy.

00:22:13.060 But you have a lot of people who are regular people who have been shouted down for so long and shut up.

00:22:23.960 And it's honestly, if I mean, I couldn't design a better priming for civil war or for, you know, for really, truly anarchy and the people shouting out somebody make all of this stop.

00:22:41.340 I mean, we're being primed.

00:22:44.100 How do you what do you say to people who are kind of at the end of their rope here in the next year as we head towards elections?

00:22:54.700 We're constantly being primed for violence because nobody will do anything that we all know is common sense and right.

00:23:02.520 What do you say to those people?

00:23:05.120 How do they?

00:23:06.220 Well, look, I try not to get involved in American politics because, you know, outsiders telling you guys how to run your country. 0.96

00:23:12.820 No, but I think it's the same in Britain, though, isn't it?

00:23:15.460 But it is. It is. I know. I know.

00:23:17.160 I there are things that I would say.

00:23:19.600 I think hard as it is, I think people have to resist the urge for violence and resist the urge for chaos because all that will happen is they will use it against you.

00:23:30.140 And so we have to start to build our own institutions.

00:23:34.640 We have to start to build our own schools, our own universities, whether it's homeschooling, our own media organizations.

00:23:41.540 You know, my view is the media empires of the future are going to be built in the next 10 years.

00:23:46.100 Yes.

00:23:46.400 That is the opportunity.

00:23:47.860 The legacy media is dying.

00:23:49.520 It's dying for a very good reason.

00:23:50.860 If you think about what television is, it's fake people in a fake room having a fake conversation.

00:23:56.440 What we are doing is the opposite of that, hopefully.

00:24:00.140 And people respond well to that.

00:24:02.760 We've seen that in recent years.

00:24:04.300 So as the legacy media dies, the sort of clutching of power is, you know, the death grip that they have on communication and what people see will be loosened somewhat.

00:24:17.700 And in that in that space, there's an opportunity to start to change people's minds.

00:24:21.400 I mean, there are lots of people that I meet, young people who say, well, you know, when I started watching your show, I thought this.

00:24:27.480 But now I think that, you know, people are are able to be persuaded.

00:24:32.500 And ultimately, all ideology clashes with reality.

00:24:37.400 We are seeing quite a lot of that now.

00:24:39.240 I know a lot of people whose minds were changed very quickly when they saw the way portions of their own side responded to the terrorist attacks on October 7th.

00:24:48.040 So we I suspect that the future over the next few years is the continual clashing of people's ideas with reality.

00:24:55.700 And out of that, I mean, look, but you're not wrong.

00:24:59.720 I mean, the joke that I've I've half jokingly always used when people ask me if I'm interested in moving to the U.S.

00:25:05.200 is I'm like, why don't you guys have your civil war first?

00:25:07.900 Then I'll move over.

00:25:09.420 And that's that's sort of feels like where America is at.

00:25:14.860 But it doesn't it doesn't it feel because I it's being posited here in America that it is the left versus the right or left versus right anywhere.

00:25:27.380 It's really not.

00:25:28.840 It feels like the elites versus the people.

00:25:34.880 Exactly, exactly.

00:25:36.680 And I think that is really a product of social media.

00:25:40.480 I mean, the digital revolution that we're living through has fundamentally broken the way that we perceive reality, the way we consume information.

00:25:49.460 And it's not without consequence.

00:25:51.760 It's a really dangerous time that we're living through.

00:25:54.520 One of the things that was really struck me in the last few weeks, Glenn, is that when you see.

00:26:00.360 You see these like Vox Pops of people being asked questions on the street, for example, people who are asked about, you know, why are you here?

00:26:09.120 Why have you got this Hamas banner or whatever?

00:26:11.600 You know, what about the attack, the terrorist attack?

00:26:13.960 And they say, what terrorist attack?

00:26:16.900 Because we all now receive our own information that we have been preselected to be fed in order to reinforce the ideas that we already have.

00:26:25.960 So it is a very dangerous moment.

00:26:27.900 And there is a need for people to use social media responsibly.

00:26:34.540 It's, I think, 10, 15, 20, 30 years from now, we're going to look back at it like we look at tobacco companies now saying, oh, you know, smoke, it's good for you.

00:26:41.960 I think the social media companies unintentionally, almost certainly unintentionally, have created tools that really drive us apart.

00:26:51.600 And we're going to have to reckon with that in a very powerful way.

00:26:54.380 That is one of the reasons I'm very grateful.

00:26:57.560 You know, I have some reservations, obviously, as you do with anybody, about the way Elon Musk has been handling Twitter.

00:27:02.960 But I actually think OnBalance has been doing a very good job.

00:27:05.920 And that is because Twitter, X, whatever you want to call it, is now the one place that if you want accurate information and you're discerning enough to be able to get it, you can get it.

00:27:16.360 The media no longer have a lock on what you can see.

00:27:20.420 And that is valuable.

00:27:22.140 The downside of that is a lot of people only see what they want to see.

00:27:25.300 Well, that's it's kind of it's weird because when we only had three television stations or networks here in America, we only saw what we were allowed to see.

00:27:40.080 I mean, the BBC, I don't think the BBC is going to go down without a massive fight.

00:27:46.340 I mean, I I walked by that building and looked at that building and thought, my gosh, the power of the BBC.

00:27:53.300 They're not going to let that slip through their fingers easily.

00:27:57.540 No, I doubt it.

00:27:59.160 But but but the thing is, you know, they don't know how not to let it slip through their fingers.

00:28:05.420 The problem is that ultimately it's about are you providing things that other people like and think are valuable?

00:28:11.500 And the BBC is, for example, desperately trying to start a load of podcasts.

00:28:17.020 But all of them fail, even though the BBC is willing to put taxpayers money into funding them.

00:28:21.880 And the reason they fail is it's not what the people want.

00:28:25.760 It's what the elites want, the people to want.

00:28:29.160 And so ultimately, I am very, very optimistic about the future of media.

00:28:34.840 I think we're going to win that fight.

00:28:36.400 And the reason we're going to win that fight is the reason that we're having this conversation, which is, as you said, there is a silent majority of people who've had enough.

00:28:43.520 But when you look at because, first of all, you're from Russia originally as a Soviet Union, you grew up there when you were 12.

00:28:55.680 What was life like then?

00:28:56.780 So I grew up in the late phases of the Soviet Union and then the early phases of Russia before Vladimir Putin came to power.

00:29:06.420 So I kind of saw the collapse of the Soviet Union and then the early few years of modern Russia.

00:29:12.340 The Soviet Union was a very interesting place because I talk about this in the first chapter of my book, An Immigrant's Love Letter to the West.

00:29:18.860 Even then, the power of the Soviet Union was waning.

00:29:22.320 But I remember my parents giving me what people now talk about, the talk that they sometimes have to give their kids about, you know, don't be rude to police officers.

00:29:31.140 Otherwise, you'll get in trouble.

00:29:32.540 You're going to get shot, et cetera.

00:29:34.200 My parents had to give me the talk, which was a talk that I think increasingly parents in America are going to have to start giving their children, which is you're going to go to school and they're going to teach you a bunch of BS about you, about your parents, about society, et cetera.

00:29:48.860 Here's what the real truth is.

00:29:50.560 So when they tell you all this stuff, just pretend they're not telling you, ignore it, et cetera.

00:29:54.800 That is the sort of conversation we were having at the time because it was society in which you were being indoctrinated with ideology, even as it was collapsing and losing its power.

00:30:05.800 And that is one of my most formative memories, just being told by my parents that I have to, A, not believe most of the things I'm being taught at school outside of, you know, math and history and geography and so on.

00:30:17.180 And even history, quite suspect at times the way we were being taught.

00:30:20.940 But also then being warned not to say anything at school.

00:30:24.540 And this is, again, a conversation that I think parents across America are likely to start having with their kids as well, which is like, make sure you don't say anything because your parents could get in trouble.

00:30:33.640 Make sure you don't talk about the stuff that we talk about around the dinner table with with people at school because you might get us in trouble and then the whole family is going to be in trouble.

00:30:43.540 So that's what I grew up with.

00:30:45.180 And that's why, you know, among our audience, probably one of the biggest sort of most visible portions of my audience is people who say to me, I'm from Eastern Europe.

00:30:54.520 I can't believe it's happening.

00:30:56.080 Yeah.

00:30:57.000 I hear that all the time.

00:30:59.680 I hear that from people from Venezuela, from Cuba, Eastern Europe.

00:31:03.280 They all know it and they all come up to me almost frantic.

00:31:09.180 What is wrong with you people?

00:31:11.360 What is wrong with the country?

00:31:13.200 Why are you letting this happen?

00:31:15.040 You're like, because we've never seen it before and we have no experience with it.

00:31:19.700 You know, I saw an article today from a Biden supporter among the headlines on today's news was the FBI was looking for agents with a former U.S. military background to get them out because they were more likely to be red state Trump.

00:31:39.720 There was another one where they have just shut down.

00:31:47.160 Oh, they're going at the IRS, our tax bureaucracy is going after a 501C3, a nonprofit that stood against the president on everything else.

00:32:00.780 All these weaponization things that are happening.

00:32:03.240 And then the president's spokesperson came out and said, you know, Donald Trump, he's he'll be more he'll be closer to Russia, the way he'll abuse the rights of individuals, the way he'll use the government.

00:32:18.840 And I thought, I mean, we can get closer to Russia, but we're already on that road.

00:32:27.180 And I, I, I don't see anybody standing up except people who have had the experience.

00:32:35.260 Everybody else is called a conspiracy theory, a theorist.

00:32:38.460 But if you've had the experience, you're just invisible.

00:32:42.580 You just nobody's nobody's hearing from you.

00:32:46.140 That's a little disheartening.

00:32:49.400 I'm reassured.

00:32:50.360 I think some people are hearing from me and from other people like me, and I'm reassured by that.

00:32:55.500 I think, as we talked about, among the general public, there is a lot of interest.

00:33:01.500 And look, if there is optimism to be found, where it is to be found, I think, is in the fact that more and more people, for all the censorship and the restrictions, and we can talk about that here in the UK and in the US that we've seen, then nonetheless, there's never been an easier time for, for people like us to disseminate our points of view and disseminate information to the public.

00:33:24.640 We can do it.

00:33:26.140 And I'm hopeful that, given that opportunity, truth wins in the end.

00:33:32.200 You know, I'm really encouraged by the success that lots of us are having in this space by sharing these messages.

00:33:40.400 So I think if there is hope to be found, it's in that.

00:33:43.720 It's in the fact that we are allowing people, A, the first step is to allow people to feel like they've been heard, and also to name the problem.

00:33:53.020 Because a lot of people are walking around, they're going, I don't really, I don't understand what's going on, but it feels wrong.

00:33:59.000 Something is off.

00:33:59.760 And when they see an explanation of what's happening, that's very helpful to them as well.

00:34:04.460 And eventually, from these conversations will come political movements and political leaders, I hope, who have the authority of a lot of people behind them.

00:34:14.880 And they have media organizations that are saying the things that they are saying to the public, too.

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00:35:45.980 You wrote, and we've already talked about, the day that delusions died.

00:35:53.860 You said a lot of people woke up on October 7th as progressive.

00:35:58.720 They went to bed the night before feeling like conservatives.

00:36:02.640 Or they went to bed that night feeling like conservatives.

00:36:05.120 You have an extra reason to feel this way because you're Jewish. 0.96

00:36:15.100 I haven't, I've been asking this question for a while to Jewish listeners and friends.

00:36:24.140 And I haven't really had a satisfying answer yet.

00:36:28.720 And maybe it's, I'm phrasing it poorly.

00:36:31.820 Actually, if I were, if I had grown up Jewish, I'm just imagining that I had heard all of the stories of the programs and everything else, but they were distant and in the past.

00:36:46.660 And on the 7th, the world stepped into insanity and it just keeps going.

00:36:56.080 What does it feel like?

00:36:57.920 Was that your experience?

00:36:59.280 What does it feel like to have that suddenly become universally real?

00:37:07.720 Well, I am, as I always like to say, Jewish, ethnically a little bit Jewish and not religious, not practicing.

00:37:15.880 My family are Orthodox Christians, actually, because Jews in the Russian Empire were often forced to convert.

00:37:22.280 So I don't have, you know, I'm not part of a Jewish community.

00:37:27.400 I'm not identifiably Jewish.

00:37:28.980 In many ways, my sort of Jewish identity has been thrust upon me by recent events where other people identify me as Jewish.

00:37:37.020 Because, and this is actually an interesting point, just as an aside, I think Jewishness is always defined by the anti-Semite, which is, if I were on a plane hijacked by Hamas terrorists, I'd be on the list.

00:37:48.660 Do you know what I mean?

00:37:49.380 Right, yes.

00:37:49.700 Even irrespective of how I feel about Judaism or my ethnicity or whatever.

00:37:54.420 But, yes, I think that for Jews in the last few weeks, it has become clear that it's weird, because having predicted so much of this myself, including in my book, it's still hard to believe when it happens. 0.99

00:38:15.020 I've been saying for years, Glenn, this ideology is very dangerous.

00:38:21.300 Importing lots of people from countries that have different values is very dangerous. 1.00

00:38:26.160 Not having a border is very dangerous.

00:38:28.820 But when it happens, it's almost like when you said it initially, you didn't really want to believe it, even though you know.

00:38:39.000 You know it's the logical conclusion of what's happening.

00:38:42.900 But seeing is believing, and that's what we've seen in the last few weeks.

00:38:46.740 It's kind of like being told you might have cancer, and you do have cancer.

00:38:51.140 Yes.

00:38:51.160 Very different.

00:38:52.040 Yeah.

00:38:52.700 Yeah.

00:38:53.300 You describe yourself as a lapsed atheist.

00:38:58.140 What does that mean exactly?

00:39:01.060 That's a good question.

00:39:02.120 So, I call my generation Children of Dawkins, and that is because we grew up reading Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris and the four horsemen, Christopher Hitchens, of course, the four horsemen of atheism.

00:39:19.000 And I'm lapsed because, look, I personally live a fulfilled and very happy life without a belief in a higher being.

00:39:29.820 I have the sense that all human beings are connected and bound together by something.

00:39:36.240 I don't know exactly what that is.

00:39:38.220 But I'm not a practicing religious person.

00:39:42.540 I go to church every now and again.

00:39:44.380 I have friends who are religious, and I'll tag along, and I'll sit there, and I get a lot from it.

00:39:48.980 But I can live the rest of my life, I think, not going to church on a regular basis.

00:39:55.680 I'm not going to synagogue or whatever.

00:39:57.120 But when I look at societies that have abandoned that, and when I look at people whose brains work differently to mine, I can see that for them it's not good.

00:40:08.260 It's not healthy.

00:40:09.300 And the sense of alienation and atomization that people feel from each other in our society makes it clear to me that I think we need some way of binding people together.

00:40:22.820 And more than anything as well, for a lot of people, I think they have to have some sense of overcoming the thing that I said in my speech at Ark, which is all death is certain.

00:40:33.140 We're all going to die.

00:40:34.020 How do you cope with that?

00:40:37.320 And for a lot of people, and I think it actually speaks to why we responded to COVID the way that we did.

00:40:44.640 If you have never thought about your own mortality before, and if you're not at peace with your own mortality, then of course you're going to demand the harshest restrictions and everything to protect you.

00:40:57.940 Because if you haven't accepted your mortality, then nothing is more important than death.

00:41:04.000 And there are so many things that are more important than death, Glenn, as you know.

00:41:07.980 So many things.

00:41:08.940 But if you live in a society of people who don't know that, then you end up with the sort of pathologies that we do.

00:41:14.660 So on a personal level, can I make myself believe in a bearded man in the sky?

00:41:19.560 I don't think so.

00:41:22.380 Do I think we suffer for our lack of religiosity?

00:41:25.640 Yes, I do.

00:41:26.080 So what is the solution?

00:41:29.000 Because here in America, this is terrifying to me.

00:41:32.600 There are groups on the right that now say, you know, the American experiment, it's over, it's outdated.

00:41:40.780 And the reason why we were living with such suffering is because lack of religion.

00:41:48.680 And so we should have, we should have a chosen religion.

00:41:54.340 I find that terrifying myself.

00:41:57.240 I'm a very deeply religious guy, but I don't want my church involved at all.

00:42:02.740 I want my church and everybody else's church to ground people in certain principles that we then live and, and hopefully seek out to vote for.

00:42:13.780 Um, but, uh, how do you, how do you change this, um, without going to some sort of horrid the, uh, theocratic state?

00:42:28.660 Well, I think, uh, you'll correct me if I'm wrong.

00:42:32.980 And again, I'm wary of, of giving too much of an opinion about American ways of doing, because I haven't lived in America.

00:42:38.640 I, I come to America regularly and it's a place that I, I love and find very interesting.

00:42:43.220 But, um, it strikes me that the idea of having some kind of one top down religion is an extraordinarily anti-American thing to suggest, isn't it?

00:42:53.580 Oh, very much so.

00:42:54.380 Uh, I think America is founded on.

00:42:56.620 Except if you believe wokeism is a religion, which I do.

00:43:00.240 Well, it is, of course, it's clearly a religion and, and it's come into the chasm that has opened up by the, by the lack of religiosity in our societies.

00:43:09.980 Um, but, but I don't think either of us would advocate for that or any other religion to be superimposed on America or on the UK.

00:43:17.080 Um, I think, uh, I don't actually have an answer of how that, that problem gets, that problem gets solved other than I think that the crisis of meaning and purpose that particularly young people are now going through, many, many young people are going through, is such that they will eventually start looking for something.

00:43:35.520 And of course, that's why they found wokeness.

00:43:37.660 It gives them the illusion of meaning and the illusion of purpose.

00:43:42.520 However, it is extraordinarily unsatisfying, uh, and they're going to live miserable lives.

00:43:48.700 And some of them are eventually going to decide they don't want to live lives of misery and they will look for something else.

00:43:54.760 Um, and, uh, I also think that every action causes an equal and opposite reaction.

00:44:01.120 I think you will find, uh, the next generation will be pursuing things in a slightly different way.

00:44:06.740 Uh, we already see this.

00:44:08.660 If you look at the, at the stats for it's actually, there's a dangerous problem in and of itself, but it's still interesting. 0.97

00:44:15.260 Young gen Zedders there, the boys are quite based as we say on the internet, the girls are incredibly woke, but my point is future generations will look at what's happening to their parents' generations and think, oh, that's a bit dumb. 0.77

00:44:32.780 Let's do things differently.

00:44:33.940 So I, I think there will be some pushback against this and a generation of people, I'm, I'm a geriatric millennial.

00:44:40.540 Um, you know, my, my, my generation have suffered a lot for this lack of meaning, meaning of purpose.

00:44:46.600 Uh, and, uh, people are going to look for it.

00:44:49.340 And, uh, if, if there is a version of religion, you know, the problem that my generation had with religion was that it, it was a very, it felt very authoritarian and top down.

00:45:01.400 And this is what you must do.

00:45:03.320 Whereas I think now there is the scope for people to be told, well, look, we're not telling you how to live your life, right?

00:45:09.760 I'm not saying this is what you must do. 0.95

00:45:12.280 Otherwise you're evil and you're going to hell.

00:45:14.100 But if you want meaning and purpose, here are some of the ways that historically have worked for human beings to get meaning and purpose.

00:45:24.480 And some of those ways are have a family, be responsible, be accountable, have community, do things for other people.

00:45:31.700 Uh, you know, don't consider yourself the most important thing in the world.

00:45:35.540 There are other people around you who matter more than you bind yourself to others, connect yourself to others, being this idea that being free is the only value that must be pursued at all costs is not factually true.

00:45:48.320 It's true at the level of politics.

00:45:49.740 We want to be free of government as much as possible, but no more than that.

00:45:53.940 But on a personal level, it's not true at all.

00:45:55.920 You don't want to be free.

00:45:57.040 You don't want to be free of other human beings.

00:45:59.140 On the contrary, you want to be bound together with people with whom you have a common vision of things.

00:46:04.500 You know, building a business together or building a community together or building, you know, a football team together, whatever it is.

00:46:11.340 Doing things with others is what gives your life meaning, is what imbues you with purpose.

00:46:15.700 And, um, you know, for a lot of people going to a church that will go into a synagogue or go into a temple, whatever it might be, gives you that meaning and purpose.

00:46:24.620 Uh, whether you need to necessarily believe in the bearded man in the sky, I don't know.

00:46:28.600 In the UK, we have a lot of people, young people, people in my generation are younger going to church now who don't believe in God.

00:46:34.620 But they just go.

00:46:35.540 Right.

00:46:37.260 Why is that?

00:46:38.080 So is that the answer?

00:46:39.100 I don't know.

00:46:39.920 I don't know.

00:46:40.540 But I'm just giving you some of the thoughts that I have on it.

00:46:43.520 Let me let me stay with the left and the younger generation.

00:46:51.280 Yeah, I understand the younger generation being taught to hate.

00:46:56.080 But there is a visceral hate from the left for the West.

00:47:02.620 Where does that come from?

00:47:03.800 It's the same thing we talked about earlier.

00:47:08.360 I think where it comes from is we are the victims of our own success.

00:47:12.000 Uh, and this navel gazing and the solipsism and the look at us, look how bad we are.

00:47:17.640 It's a product of a society that no longer has to fight for its own survival, that no longer has to struggle, that no longer has to overcome difficult things in order to build a society, in order to build a country.

00:47:29.880 I mean, if you look at the history of the United States, for example, America really only became a powerful and super wealthy country in very recent history.

00:47:38.480 Yes.

00:47:38.720 Very recent history.

00:47:39.720 Prior to that, the American experience is one of overcoming extraordinary challenges through human ingenuity, through blood, sweat, and tears.

00:47:51.280 And it's no accident, I think, that, you know, World War II finishes.

00:47:55.600 And by the 60s, you start to get people who are kind of like, you know, well, what are we supposed to do?

00:48:01.040 I mean, we don't have any big challenges left, really.

00:48:06.680 Let's look around for something that's wrong.

00:48:09.180 Oh, it's me.

00:48:10.200 Oh, it's my parents.

00:48:11.360 Oh, it's my grandpa.

00:48:12.280 Oh, it's my country.

00:48:13.360 And before you know it, you are where we are.

00:48:15.320 And, by the way, you know, I don't know if you are, your viewers are familiar with a guy called Yuri Besmanov, but this idea of teaching Americans to hate their own country, it's been something that other countries around the world have attempted to infiltrate into American society.

00:48:33.080 And this was used by the Soviets.

00:48:34.680 You'll probably remember this.

00:48:35.820 Because whenever anyone criticized the Soviet Union for the things that it was doing, they would say, well, what about the way you treat black people in America?

00:48:43.300 Correct.

00:48:43.540 The idea of creating racial divisions in America, not to say that America didn't have its terrible racial history, of course it did, but accentuating those and amplifying them, even as now you can see that, you know, undeniably America is a better society racially than it was 60 years ago. 0.68

00:49:02.560 So, even now the amplification of those divisions is what China and Russia and America's enemies around the world want.

00:49:10.140 Back with the final chapter with Constantine here in just a second.

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00:50:23.040 Let me switch gears to Ukraine.

00:50:27.000 You were very much for defense of Ukraine and you've changed.

00:50:32.700 Why?

00:50:34.060 No, I haven't changed.

00:50:35.320 I was very much for helping Ukraine defend itself to the extent that it was possible.

00:50:40.660 And my thinking behind that was that if we help Ukraine and provide them with the military support that they need, they will do what they have done, which is fight off the Russian aggression, retake a significant portion of their territory, inflict a very significant cost on the Russian military.

00:50:56.360 And degrade their ability to continue their invasion and do other things around the world that would be damaging to the interests of the West. 0.53

00:51:05.800 They've done that.

00:51:06.580 People forget in the first three weeks, the Russians attacked from three different sides, from the north, from the east and from the south.

00:51:13.340 They were successful in all three directions.

00:51:15.480 From the north, they nearly reached the capital, Kiev.

00:51:18.280 They were an hour's drive outside.

00:51:20.500 They were on the outskirts of Kiev.

00:51:23.680 Northeast, they nearly captured Kharkiv.

00:51:25.380 In the east, they made a lot of progress.

00:51:27.660 Southeast, they captured Mariupol.

00:51:29.280 And in the south, they took the big city that they really managed to take in the early war was Kherson in the south without actually a fight due to traitors on the Ukrainian side.

00:51:38.160 All of those gains have been pushed back quite significantly, other than Mariupol and a strip in the southeast that connects Crimea to the eastern region.

00:51:47.140 So what our support has provided Ukraine is an opportunity to retain its sovereignty, which is what they were fighting for.

00:51:54.780 And I said this a week after the conflict started on the biggest political debate show here in the UK called Question Time.

00:52:01.820 There's a clip on our channel of it.

00:52:04.460 Ukraine needs to fight.

00:52:05.840 They need to put up a fight.

00:52:06.820 They need to inflict heavy losses on the Russians. 1.00

00:52:09.160 Then they were always going to have to trade away territory in exchange for the one thing that they really need, which is long-term security.

00:52:16.220 And the reason that I am calling for the west to help Ukraine make a deal now is twofold.

00:52:22.120 Number one, we clearly don't have the appetite in the west to provide them with what they need.

00:52:27.360 I wish we did, but we don't.

00:52:29.200 We don't have the appetite to provide them with everything they need to actually retake all of the territory that they've lost.

00:52:35.660 That's not going to happen now.

00:52:37.340 So why prolong the fighting if they're not going to get the equipment they need?

00:52:42.000 All that's happening now is the lines on the map have barely moved for a year.

00:52:45.940 The last major Ukrainian win was the retaking of Kherson a year ago in November 2022.

00:52:51.160 All that's happening now is lots of young men on both sides are being killed for no gain whatsoever.

00:52:57.860 So what's the point of that?

00:52:59.080 And the second reason is this is our opportunity to help Ukraine secure its sovereignty for the long term, which means either NATO membership or some kind of North Korean demilitarized zone, North Korean and South Korean DMZ or something of that nature.

00:53:12.840 Because the most important thing, and I've said this from day one, Glenn, is this cannot be allowed to happen again.

00:53:18.160 It happened in 2014 and the Obama administration did nothing.

00:53:22.420 They looked, they turned a blind eye and allowed the Russians to take the eastern regions, portions of the eastern regions and take Crimea.

00:53:31.920 We did nothing.

00:53:32.720 So, of course, they came back again.

00:53:34.060 What the point of helping Ukraine defend itself was to prevent that from ever happening again, now is the time to put pressure on the Russians and on the Ukrainians to do a deal that prevents this ever happening again.

00:53:46.420 So you have something happening with Ukraine.

00:53:52.160 I mean, the guy who really came up with a plan designed for Crimea for Putin was Alexander Dugin.

00:53:59.720 I assume you are aware of him.

00:54:02.280 He's now he's now he's now shaping Putin's his policies and his language using religious language pretty much in the same way the Iranians are using it now that we are the great Satan and that we are destroying everything that is God. 0.87

00:54:29.700 But in some ways, I kind of look at it and go, you know, we are putting poison throughout the world and the West just on, you know, transgenderism, all of this stuff with the surgeries and and there is no truth. 0.99

00:54:46.480 You can't you can't let them do that to you, though.

00:54:48.840 That's you can't let them do that.

00:54:50.320 That's all that is, is their propaganda in order to demoralize, demoralize, demoralize Americans.

00:54:56.160 Yes, we have problems at home.

00:54:58.240 But as I said to you, if you would rather, you know, where would you rather live in Russia or in Iran or in America?

00:55:04.960 America.

00:55:05.260 Let's not let let's not get confused about this.

00:55:08.300 OK, yes, America and Western societies are doing a lot of things wrong.

00:55:13.660 I stand against them, as you do, and we have a chance of winning that fight.

00:55:18.080 That does not mean that being the world being ruled by Russia, China and Iran is a better outcome. 0.98

00:55:23.920 And this is one of the reasons that I was so supportive of our support for Ukraine.

00:55:28.000 I said this at the time, and it's no surprise that it's happening now, Glenn.

00:55:31.920 The leader of Iran, Xi Jinping, the leader of China, Vladimir Putin, the leader of Russia, have all been saying the exact same thing.

00:55:39.040 The same phrase comes out over and over again.

00:55:41.340 A multipolar world.

00:55:43.220 What does that mean?

00:55:44.340 That means they want to throw you, America, off the pedestal. 0.92

00:55:48.100 That's what they want.

00:55:49.140 And they've wanted it for a long time.

00:55:50.740 And of course they want it.

00:55:52.580 Of course they want to be as rich and as powerful as America.

00:55:55.820 Of course they do.

00:55:56.720 This is why, you know, I got to tell you, it always makes us outside of America laugh when you had those like 1990s American movies where you had this like CIA guy going, they hate us because of freedom.

00:56:08.260 No, they don't hate you because of your freedom.

00:56:11.340 They hate you because you're rich and powerful and they want what you have.

00:56:16.760 That's why they hate you.

00:56:18.180 So let's don't allow that propaganda to brainwash you about this.

00:56:23.540 America is a force for good in the world.

00:56:25.860 I would much rather live in a world that's dominated by the United States than Russia or China. 0.99

00:56:30.660 And I can tell you as someone who understands those places pretty well.

00:56:34.320 So what we have to do is we have to fight domestically for making sure that the American spirit, the British spirit, the British and American values are preserved, that our societies inculcate those values in our children, that we teach our children to believe in our values in our societies rather than buying into all this stuff from those countries.

00:56:53.400 No, no, no, no. The West has to stand strong and it has to retain its power in the world.

00:56:57.980 Otherwise, you're going to see a world rule by Russia and China. 0.94

00:57:00.900 And believe you me, believe you me, you do not want that.

00:57:04.300 Yeah.

00:57:04.460 Let me talk to you a little bit about comedy here.

00:57:09.380 The health of comedy seems to be that it is sitting up in bed, at least it was, I thought, almost dead for a while.

00:57:22.700 There would not make fun of anything except, you know, those who wouldn't take the jab on covid.

00:57:29.680 Uh, they it had become almost state propaganda in in many ways.

00:57:36.020 But now you're seeing comedians start to stand up.

00:57:39.880 And I, I love this.

00:57:41.480 This is from the independent Ricky Gervais and Dave Chappelle.

00:57:45.220 They're unable to evolve their worldview.

00:57:51.340 Yeah, good for them.

00:57:52.980 Good for them.

00:57:54.360 What's the state of comedy now?

00:57:57.140 Well, it depends where.

00:57:58.800 Uh, so if you're talking about the mainstream, if you turn on your Jimmy Kimmel or your Jimmy Fallon or whatever, these people that I don't watch anymore, it's all the same garbage that you've seen a hundred times.

00:58:09.960 They haven't changed at all.

00:58:11.280 They're still talking about the same things.

00:58:13.640 They're still uber woke.

00:58:14.580 They still won't make any actual jokes, et cetera.

00:58:17.120 Even though, by the way, all those people, this is, I sometimes have this issue with people on the right.

00:58:21.940 They're like, Trevor Noah is not funny.

00:58:23.900 Stephen Colbert is not funny.

00:58:25.380 That is not true.

00:58:26.240 They're really, really, really good comedians.

00:58:28.940 But as I always say, ideology ruins everything.

00:58:32.120 And the reason they're not funny now is they're put in context where they have to do certain things in order to pander as opposed to be funny.

00:58:39.240 However, you're absolutely right.

00:58:41.740 And this is why, coming back to our earlier conversation about where I'm optimistic about new media, comedy is a very good example of how that happens.

00:58:50.480 Because in comedy, you're either funny or you're not.

00:58:53.660 Right?

00:58:53.820 And if you go out on YouTube and you're not funny, it doesn't matter how ideologically correct you are.

00:58:59.460 No one's going to laugh and no one's going to watch your content.

00:59:02.440 So the people who are fighting back are people like Joe Rogan and Andrew Schultz and Shane Gillis and all these other people.

00:59:09.400 And the reason they're successful is they just make jokes and they have their own audience and they have their own platform.

00:59:15.040 So in America, you guys, you know, we were just in Rogan's club.

00:59:19.260 We were on his show.

00:59:21.420 You know, in America, I think in comedy, you guys are actually doing pretty well.

00:59:26.100 And in the UK, we're very, you know, comedians that I speak to because I used to do stand up.

00:59:30.180 I don't anymore.

00:59:31.340 Very jealous of the situation over there.

00:59:33.400 In the UK, much more difficult because we only have one comedy scene, only one comedy circuit.

00:59:39.200 We have one big comedy festival that everybody has to go to to be successful.

00:59:43.700 One set of like six TV commissioners who commission all the comedy that goes out on TV.

00:59:49.720 And all of those people, you know, all know each other.

00:59:52.860 As someone likes to say, they all marry each other's sisters.

00:59:55.760 It's all a tiny little clique.

00:59:57.780 And they're all woke and they all have the same opinion.

01:00:00.440 So it kind of depends where you are.

01:00:02.140 But in America, I think you guys have every reason to be very optimistic about the future of comedy.

01:00:06.700 You may have already given me the answer, but why don't you do stand up anymore?

01:00:10.940 Why don't you do that?

01:00:11.740 You know what?

01:00:13.080 I love what I do with trigonometry just so much more.

01:00:16.380 I think stand up was never quite the ideal career for me.

01:00:19.200 And actually, the real boring answer is I hated the lifestyle.

01:00:22.660 I hated being away from my family.

01:00:24.400 I hated being on the road five days a week.

01:00:27.500 It just it wasn't for me.

01:00:28.840 I write a lot of satirical columns now on my sub stack and we put a lot of comedy stuff out on our YouTube channel.

01:00:35.000 That works much better for me.

01:00:36.560 Who would you say could you find a George Carlin, a Lenny Bruce today that you think are I mean, those guys were they pushed the edge and said the things, especially Lenny Bruce, but also George Carlin.

01:00:57.100 It said the things that were not comfortable and became legends because of it.

01:01:04.060 Those people exist.

01:01:05.260 Yeah.

01:01:05.460 Well, I think that they do, you know, every comedian goes through various phases of their career.

01:01:12.940 I think you're you're going to see more and more of those people.

01:01:16.160 We just interviewed.

01:01:17.380 We haven't released the interview yet, but when we were in L.A., we interviewed a comedian called Neil Brennan.

01:01:22.080 And he's a guy that makes fun of both sides incredibly well.

01:01:26.080 I love that.

01:01:27.040 Bill Burr is a guy that, you know, I've historically really enjoyed.

01:01:31.040 But yeah, I know he's in a bit of hot water at the moment because of his wife and blah, blah, blah.

01:01:35.380 But he's a great comedian.

01:01:36.860 Yeah.

01:01:37.320 And so, you know, Joe Rogan, I mean, I don't know if he'd be happy with me share, but he in his latest bit, he had this hilarious thing when he just made me laugh so much.

01:01:46.880 He said, we lost a hell of a lot of people during covid and most of them are still alive.

01:01:51.540 And I just thought that was such a great summation.

01:01:56.280 He's a really funny guy, Joe.

01:01:57.900 So you're going to get people like that for sure.

01:02:01.040 What happened to Russell Brand?

01:02:04.960 Viewing it from over here, it seems like all of the people got rich off of him when they knew exactly what he was doing.

01:02:15.020 And now it was convenient to off him.

01:02:19.060 What happened?

01:02:20.440 I think that I think that's accurate.

01:02:24.860 What's going to happen to him?

01:02:26.520 Well, I don't know, because my understanding is there are further allegations that are coming.

01:02:33.680 So how that lands and look, ultimately, you know, whatever whatever the rumors are and that, you know, there were a lot of there was a lot of talk in the British comedy industry about his behavior.

01:02:43.780 At the time, people at the time, at the time, ultimately, even if if you have your suspicions about people or whatever, people have to be convicted in a court of law.

01:02:56.340 Otherwise, otherwise, you know, what what can you do?

01:03:01.260 So, you know, until he's convicted, unless he's convicted in a court of law, he's he's innocent until proven guilty.

01:03:08.040 And so I guess unless there are convictions, nothing will happen to him.

01:03:14.200 Is he is he actually being is he going through court?

01:03:19.180 Has he been charged?

01:03:20.160 I haven't seen any charges against him, just a public lynching.

01:03:25.400 Exactly.

01:03:26.040 Exactly.

01:03:26.540 So unless until and unless that happens, I don't think anything will happen to him.

01:03:30.640 I think he's continuing to, as far as I know, do his show.

01:03:33.580 And I suspect that's what will continue to happen.

01:03:35.680 What why why was this brought up?

01:03:37.900 Do you have any idea?

01:03:38.980 Why why did they go for him?

01:03:42.340 My understanding, I have friends in the comedy world who who've been contacted for comment, et cetera, for years now.

01:03:49.500 This has been a long running investigation that came to its conclusion, essentially, in recent years.

01:03:56.560 But, of course, I think your point stands.

01:03:58.360 I wrote a whole sub stack about it at the time.

01:04:00.860 Your point stands, which is, I think, as long while he was making a lot of people a lot of money,

01:04:04.980 they were much less interested in this issue than they are now.

01:04:07.440 Yeah.

01:04:08.540 Great to talk to you.

01:04:09.980 Thank you so much for standing up, saying, you know, what you believe is true and and saying it in an entertaining way.

01:04:17.180 I appreciate it.

01:04:18.920 I appreciate you, Glenn.

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The Glenn Beck Program - November 18, 2023

Ep 202 ｜ What to Tell ‘Woke Idiots’ Who Hate Israel ｜ Konstantin Kisin ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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