Jordan Peterson is a comedian, podcaster and political commentator who has spent years warning people in the West that woke culture was on its way, making it the subject of his book, An Immigrant s Love Letter to the West. He offers what he jokingly describes as politically non-binary options and opinions on culture, politics, and comedy.
00:00:22.840They pull this move every time they're cornered.
00:00:25.480It's a great way to escape personal responsibility and to avoid the consequences of their terrible ideas.
00:00:32.540The worst part is they usually get away with this cowardly move.
00:00:36.460Today's guest gave a fantastic speech at this year's ARC conference, the anti Davos conference put on by Jordan Peterson.
00:00:45.700As a comedian, podcaster and political commentator, today's guest has spent years warning people in the West that woke culture was on its way, making it the subject of his book, An Immigrant's Love Letter to the West.
00:01:01.520He offers what he jokingly describes as politically non-binary options and opinions on culture, politics and comedy.
00:01:10.720His podcast, Trigger-nometry, features interviews with many of the interesting and provocative voices of our time.
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00:03:00.420I read a story today where one of the police officers said to a press person when they were asked,
00:03:14.520why are they letting the Palestinians just kind of go a little wild, he said, because there's more of them than us, which is a little frightening, a little terrifying.
00:03:47.440Some of them are chanting things like jihad, rise up, rise up, army of Mohammed.
00:03:51.900And when, as you say, members of the public say to the police, why aren't you stopping this?
00:03:57.240They say there is more of them than there is of us, which is interesting because only two days ago on Saturday, we had Remembrance Sunday, which is when we commemorate British soldiers killed in World War One.
00:04:09.840And there were some non-Palestine protesters, they were described as counter protesters, who were there as well.
00:04:19.220And the police seem to have absolutely no problem isolating a large group of them and arresting them.
00:04:24.400So it seems to me really that the way that Britain is being policed at the moment is if you can get enough of your friends together to threaten and intimidate the police, they will not get involved in your protest.
00:04:34.660If there's not quite enough of you to be scary, they won't.
00:04:37.340I just read this, this headline today, London, former British Prime Minister David Cameron made an unexpected return to high office on Monday, becoming foreign secretary, major shakeup of the conservative government that also saw the firing of divisive home secretary, Suella Braverman.
00:04:55.500And when I saw the word divisive, I thought, oh, she must be, she must be full of common sense.
00:05:23.080So Suella Braverman is, I think she's a second generation immigrant.
00:05:26.980I myself am a first generation immigrant.
00:05:29.180And what she's saying is we need to stop illegal immigration.
00:05:31.780This is very controversial, of course, you understand, because people have a right to come to the country with no checks and controls, as we, of course, all know.
00:05:42.700In fact, I was doing an interview with Times Radio, the Times of London Radio, a week ago.
00:05:48.500And I made this point about illegal immigration.
00:05:50.600And the presenter said to me, hold on, Constantine, but you're an immigrant.
00:05:54.840Why don't these people have as much of a right as you to come?
00:05:59.900And I said to her, no one has a right to come anyway.
00:06:03.020It's up to the people of Britain or the people of America to decide who comes, when, in what number, for what purpose, et cetera.
00:06:09.440And this is just, we've got to a point, I think somewhere in the mid-90s, this thing happened where we went from immigration is good, and that's why we manage it, we control it, we invite people who are going to be beneficial to our country, to immigration is a moral good.
00:06:26.120And it's something that must happen irrespective of how it happens, irrespective of what the numbers are, et cetera.
00:06:31.920So, Serla Braverman was one of the people who, one of the very few people who was willing to be honest about that issue.
00:06:38.100She was one of the very few people who was prepared to be honest about policing double standards.
00:06:42.740This is the thing that really got her fired.
00:06:45.540She dared, Glenn, to point out that when we had BLM protests, the police kneeled in front of the protesters.
00:06:52.860And when a couple of months later we had anti-lockdown protests, the police kneeled on the protesters.
00:08:53.660And that's the idea that people should be free to live any which way they want, speak any language they want, integrate or not integrate, up to them, really.
00:09:01.440And, you know, operate completely in complete isolation from the country to which they've come.
00:09:06.200And when there's enough of them to demand that that country becomes more like the country from which they came.
00:09:11.840We have a our country's motto is E Pluribus Unum from many one.
00:09:59.960These people who spent seven years at least calling everybody a Nazi, they don't recognize Nazis when they see them.
00:10:05.640And it's interesting because the counter protesters we talked about a second ago, they were described as the far right in all the media publications in this country.
00:10:15.720They were held up as the real problem.
00:10:18.340And I keep saying to people when I think of what we in the UK call the far right.
00:10:22.960I know it's a little bit different over in the US.
00:10:24.900But in the UK, when we talk about the far right, what we mean is people who are racist, people who are homophobic, people who think that women are second class citizens and should be treated as such.
00:10:35.140And people who believe in the use of violence to achieve their political objectives.
00:10:39.060We've had the far right on the streets of our city for five weeks.
00:10:42.700And it doesn't look like these counter protesters.
00:10:44.740It looks like people shouting for jihad, rise up, rise up, army of Mohammed.
00:11:26.840We have a political system that filters out, certainly in this country, anyone who's prepared to speak the truth.
00:11:32.040I mean, we just talked about one example of it.
00:11:34.220The one politician in the Conservative Party who was willing to be honest is the one that they've got rid of.
00:11:40.100And we have a political system that is calibrated precisely around making sure that nobody who's actually honest ever reaches a position of power.
00:11:50.620And if by some miracle they do, we get rid of them.
00:12:23.280This is why the ADL has called me, you know, a Nazi and anti-Semite, because I've been warning about the seeds of the Holocaust.
00:12:33.720They've been planted here for 15, 20 years, and nobody's looking at what's sprouting up everywhere.
00:12:42.180And I guess you're a Nazi if you say, hey, we should pull those weeds from the garden and make sure that they don't grow.
00:12:50.040And now here they are, and it's worse than I thought.
00:12:55.520Well, what you have is a combination of two things, both very dangerous.
00:12:59.520One is, obviously, Western countries now have significant populations of people who – and I'm not talking about peaceful, modern Muslims here.
00:13:09.320We have a population big enough of Islamists now.
00:13:13.060And they seem to get along very well, inexplicably so, with all of these woke idiots that have been created on college campuses and in schools.
00:13:24.340And this is where the beautiful – I mean, this is a magical phenomenon of Queers for Palestine comes from.
00:13:29.460It's people who don't understand anything about the place about which they're talking about.
00:13:34.540And, Glenn, I am actually starting a movement.
00:13:37.680I'd like people like us to get together and start fundraising for one-way tickets to Gaza for all of these people so they can experience the true benefits of everything that they're praising.
00:13:47.880Hopefully, that may be a way to solve the problem.
00:13:50.480I don't – this one – is it stupidity?
00:14:02.720And this is the point that I think people in the West – and I'm someone who was born in the Soviet Union, so I have a slightly outsider's perspective.
00:14:10.360We are victims of our own success here in the West.
00:14:13.260We've built some of the most incredible societies in the history of humanity, including, by the way, on those very progressive values that these people love to talk about.
00:14:22.800If you care about women's rights, where is a better place to be a woman than the United States of America?
00:14:28.940If you care about gay rights, where is a better place to be gay than the United States of America?
00:14:33.940If you care about all sorts of other issues, where is a better place to be than the United States of America and other Western countries?
00:14:41.660But because we have given our citizens all these incredible opportunities where they don't have to think about anything other than wake up, go to work, make money, have time with my family, et cetera, they're incredibly susceptible to ideology.
00:14:56.020And the one thing we've forgotten in the West, which strikes me as odd given that you only have to look back about 80 years to see how powerful ideology really is.
00:15:04.540We've forgotten that if you brainwash people long and hard enough, and if you don't teach them the values of your own society and instead teach them to hate the values of your own society, you will very quickly end up in a place where these people hate your own society.
00:15:18.320And as long as American schools and American colleges continue to teach young Americans that America is evil, then you will see the scenes that you see on the streets of America where you have all these young people tearing down American flags from various posts and whatever, because this is what they believe.
00:15:36.520And why would we be surprised about that when they have spent their entire life being educated by people who hate your country and its values?
00:15:44.160So how do you how do you turn somebody around?
00:15:46.560You meet somebody and they're they're honest, but they're stupid or they're in that, but they believe it.
00:15:52.800But they'll have a conversation with you.
00:16:55.660That's one thing that, you know, seeing is believing.
00:16:58.220This is why people are so, I don't know if you saw, I wrote an article for the Free Press about, called The Day the Delusions Died, about October the 7th Massacre.
00:17:20.080And this is probably the first time that I've said this, so people who watch a lot of my stuff will be surprised.
00:17:26.140But I've spent the last six years, since we started Trigonometry, my YouTube show, and since I've become a public commentator, really saying, I'm very concerned about the things that are happening on the left.
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00:19:26.200Good guys, generally speaking, that were standing up for those principles.
00:19:30.760But I don't see anyone but the public and the public that's being shut up and shouted down.
00:19:40.920Where do you, do you see a leader or, because we do have to take a stand, but it seems like we would be taking a stand against everyone with power.
00:19:55.560I think the one reason that I am, I mean, optimistic would probably be overstating it at this point, but the one ray of light and ray of hope that I see is, I think new media is changing the way we have these conversations.
00:20:11.220New media being what you and I are doing right now.
00:20:13.280Six years ago, my friend Francis Foster and I, we were two idiot comedians, never thought about politics, really, in any sort of way.
00:20:24.700We're approaching a million subscribers six years later.
00:20:27.980We are probably the biggest independent cultural and political show in the UK that talks about these issues.
00:20:34.740As our voices grow, we will give courage to leaders who are willing to come through, who see that there's a constituency out there for what they're trying to do.
00:20:45.460And Serla Braverman, who we've been talking about, I think potentially is one of those people.
00:20:49.580There may be others, too, who over the course of the next few years see that there is a constituency out there for the things that they're saying.
00:20:57.300And we have to encourage people to be brave.
00:21:00.260And also, this is the thing with Serla Braverman.
00:21:18.340Because that sort of destruction is an opportunity for reinvention.
00:21:23.280And at that point, maybe there will come leaders who don't care as much about Guardian headlines as they do about what their own voters think.
00:21:34.680How do we get to a place to where, because you said, you know, the right is different in America.
00:21:42.220It is the true right in America is the smallest government you can get before anarchy.
00:21:50.920So don't empower the government to have enough power to do any of those things.
00:21:55.800But it's often confused, even here in America, with people, you know, that may be racist or whatever.
00:22:06.700I tend to put those people on the very far left, total control and anarchy.
00:22:13.060But you have a lot of people who are regular people who have been shouted down for so long and shut up.
00:22:23.960And it's honestly, if I mean, I couldn't design a better priming for civil war or for, you know, for really, truly anarchy and the people shouting out somebody make all of this stop.
00:23:19.600I think hard as it is, I think people have to resist the urge for violence and resist the urge for chaos because all that will happen is they will use it against you.
00:23:30.140And so we have to start to build our own institutions.
00:23:34.640We have to start to build our own schools, our own universities, whether it's homeschooling, our own media organizations.
00:23:41.540You know, my view is the media empires of the future are going to be built in the next 10 years.
00:24:04.300So as the legacy media dies, the sort of clutching of power is, you know, the death grip that they have on communication and what people see will be loosened somewhat.
00:24:17.700And in that in that space, there's an opportunity to start to change people's minds.
00:24:21.400I mean, there are lots of people that I meet, young people who say, well, you know, when I started watching your show, I thought this.
00:24:27.480But now I think that, you know, people are are able to be persuaded.
00:24:32.500And ultimately, all ideology clashes with reality.
00:24:37.400We are seeing quite a lot of that now.
00:24:39.240I know a lot of people whose minds were changed very quickly when they saw the way portions of their own side responded to the terrorist attacks on October 7th.
00:24:48.040So we I suspect that the future over the next few years is the continual clashing of people's ideas with reality.
00:24:55.700And out of that, I mean, look, but you're not wrong.
00:24:59.720I mean, the joke that I've I've half jokingly always used when people ask me if I'm interested in moving to the U.S.
00:25:05.200is I'm like, why don't you guys have your civil war first?
00:25:09.420And that's that's sort of feels like where America is at.
00:25:14.860But it doesn't it doesn't it feel because I it's being posited here in America that it is the left versus the right or left versus right anywhere.
00:25:36.680And I think that is really a product of social media.
00:25:40.480I mean, the digital revolution that we're living through has fundamentally broken the way that we perceive reality, the way we consume information.
00:25:51.760It's a really dangerous time that we're living through.
00:25:54.520One of the things that was really struck me in the last few weeks, Glenn, is that when you see.
00:26:00.360You see these like Vox Pops of people being asked questions on the street, for example, people who are asked about, you know, why are you here?
00:26:09.120Why have you got this Hamas banner or whatever?
00:26:11.600You know, what about the attack, the terrorist attack?
00:26:16.900Because we all now receive our own information that we have been preselected to be fed in order to reinforce the ideas that we already have.
00:26:27.900And there is a need for people to use social media responsibly.
00:26:34.540It's, I think, 10, 15, 20, 30 years from now, we're going to look back at it like we look at tobacco companies now saying, oh, you know, smoke, it's good for you.
00:26:41.960I think the social media companies unintentionally, almost certainly unintentionally, have created tools that really drive us apart.
00:26:51.600And we're going to have to reckon with that in a very powerful way.
00:26:54.380That is one of the reasons I'm very grateful.
00:26:57.560You know, I have some reservations, obviously, as you do with anybody, about the way Elon Musk has been handling Twitter.
00:27:02.960But I actually think OnBalance has been doing a very good job.
00:27:05.920And that is because Twitter, X, whatever you want to call it, is now the one place that if you want accurate information and you're discerning enough to be able to get it, you can get it.
00:27:16.360The media no longer have a lock on what you can see.
00:27:22.140The downside of that is a lot of people only see what they want to see.
00:27:25.300Well, that's it's kind of it's weird because when we only had three television stations or networks here in America, we only saw what we were allowed to see.
00:27:40.080I mean, the BBC, I don't think the BBC is going to go down without a massive fight.
00:27:46.340I mean, I I walked by that building and looked at that building and thought, my gosh, the power of the BBC.
00:27:53.300They're not going to let that slip through their fingers easily.
00:27:59.160But but but the thing is, you know, they don't know how not to let it slip through their fingers.
00:28:05.420The problem is that ultimately it's about are you providing things that other people like and think are valuable?
00:28:11.500And the BBC is, for example, desperately trying to start a load of podcasts.
00:28:17.020But all of them fail, even though the BBC is willing to put taxpayers money into funding them.
00:28:21.880And the reason they fail is it's not what the people want.
00:28:25.760It's what the elites want, the people to want.
00:28:29.160And so ultimately, I am very, very optimistic about the future of media.
00:28:34.840I think we're going to win that fight.
00:28:36.400And the reason we're going to win that fight is the reason that we're having this conversation, which is, as you said, there is a silent majority of people who've had enough.
00:28:43.520But when you look at because, first of all, you're from Russia originally as a Soviet Union, you grew up there when you were 12.
00:28:56.780So I grew up in the late phases of the Soviet Union and then the early phases of Russia before Vladimir Putin came to power.
00:29:06.420So I kind of saw the collapse of the Soviet Union and then the early few years of modern Russia.
00:29:12.340The Soviet Union was a very interesting place because I talk about this in the first chapter of my book, An Immigrant's Love Letter to the West.
00:29:18.860Even then, the power of the Soviet Union was waning.
00:29:22.320But I remember my parents giving me what people now talk about, the talk that they sometimes have to give their kids about, you know, don't be rude to police officers.
00:29:34.200My parents had to give me the talk, which was a talk that I think increasingly parents in America are going to have to start giving their children, which is you're going to go to school and they're going to teach you a bunch of BS about you, about your parents, about society, et cetera.
00:29:50.560So when they tell you all this stuff, just pretend they're not telling you, ignore it, et cetera.
00:29:54.800That is the sort of conversation we were having at the time because it was society in which you were being indoctrinated with ideology, even as it was collapsing and losing its power.
00:30:05.800And that is one of my most formative memories, just being told by my parents that I have to, A, not believe most of the things I'm being taught at school outside of, you know, math and history and geography and so on.
00:30:17.180And even history, quite suspect at times the way we were being taught.
00:30:20.940But also then being warned not to say anything at school.
00:30:24.540And this is, again, a conversation that I think parents across America are likely to start having with their kids as well, which is like, make sure you don't say anything because your parents could get in trouble.
00:30:33.640Make sure you don't talk about the stuff that we talk about around the dinner table with with people at school because you might get us in trouble and then the whole family is going to be in trouble.
00:30:45.180And that's why, you know, among our audience, probably one of the biggest sort of most visible portions of my audience is people who say to me, I'm from Eastern Europe.
00:31:15.040You're like, because we've never seen it before and we have no experience with it.
00:31:19.700You know, I saw an article today from a Biden supporter among the headlines on today's news was the FBI was looking for agents with a former U.S. military background to get them out because they were more likely to be red state Trump.
00:31:39.720There was another one where they have just shut down.
00:31:47.160Oh, they're going at the IRS, our tax bureaucracy is going after a 501C3, a nonprofit that stood against the president on everything else.
00:32:00.780All these weaponization things that are happening.
00:32:03.240And then the president's spokesperson came out and said, you know, Donald Trump, he's he'll be more he'll be closer to Russia, the way he'll abuse the rights of individuals, the way he'll use the government.
00:32:18.840And I thought, I mean, we can get closer to Russia, but we're already on that road.
00:32:27.180And I, I, I don't see anybody standing up except people who have had the experience.
00:32:35.260Everybody else is called a conspiracy theory, a theorist.
00:32:38.460But if you've had the experience, you're just invisible.
00:32:42.580You just nobody's nobody's hearing from you.
00:32:50.360I think some people are hearing from me and from other people like me, and I'm reassured by that.
00:32:55.500I think, as we talked about, among the general public, there is a lot of interest.
00:33:01.500And look, if there is optimism to be found, where it is to be found, I think, is in the fact that more and more people, for all the censorship and the restrictions, and we can talk about that here in the UK and in the US that we've seen, then nonetheless, there's never been an easier time for, for people like us to disseminate our points of view and disseminate information to the public.
00:33:26.140And I'm hopeful that, given that opportunity, truth wins in the end.
00:33:32.200You know, I'm really encouraged by the success that lots of us are having in this space by sharing these messages.
00:33:40.400So I think if there is hope to be found, it's in that.
00:33:43.720It's in the fact that we are allowing people, A, the first step is to allow people to feel like they've been heard, and also to name the problem.
00:33:53.020Because a lot of people are walking around, they're going, I don't really, I don't understand what's going on, but it feels wrong.
00:33:59.760And when they see an explanation of what's happening, that's very helpful to them as well.
00:34:04.460And eventually, from these conversations will come political movements and political leaders, I hope, who have the authority of a lot of people behind them.
00:34:14.880And they have media organizations that are saying the things that they are saying to the public, too.
00:34:19.480More with Konstantin in just a second.
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00:35:45.980You wrote, and we've already talked about, the day that delusions died.
00:35:53.860You said a lot of people woke up on October 7th as progressive.
00:35:58.720They went to bed the night before feeling like conservatives.
00:36:02.640Or they went to bed that night feeling like conservatives.
00:36:05.120You have an extra reason to feel this way because you're Jewish.
00:36:15.100I haven't, I've been asking this question for a while to Jewish listeners and friends.
00:36:24.140And I haven't really had a satisfying answer yet.
00:36:28.720And maybe it's, I'm phrasing it poorly.
00:36:31.820Actually, if I were, if I had grown up Jewish, I'm just imagining that I had heard all of the stories of the programs and everything else, but they were distant and in the past.
00:36:46.660And on the 7th, the world stepped into insanity and it just keeps going.
00:37:28.980In many ways, my sort of Jewish identity has been thrust upon me by recent events where other people identify me as Jewish.
00:37:37.020Because, and this is actually an interesting point, just as an aside, I think Jewishness is always defined by the anti-Semite, which is, if I were on a plane hijacked by Hamas terrorists, I'd be on the list.
00:37:49.700Even irrespective of how I feel about Judaism or my ethnicity or whatever.
00:37:54.420But, yes, I think that for Jews in the last few weeks, it has become clear that it's weird, because having predicted so much of this myself, including in my book, it's still hard to believe when it happens.
00:38:15.020I've been saying for years, Glenn, this ideology is very dangerous.
00:38:21.300Importing lots of people from countries that have different values is very dangerous.
00:38:26.160Not having a border is very dangerous.
00:38:28.820But when it happens, it's almost like when you said it initially, you didn't really want to believe it, even though you know.
00:38:39.000You know it's the logical conclusion of what's happening.
00:38:42.900But seeing is believing, and that's what we've seen in the last few weeks.
00:38:46.740It's kind of like being told you might have cancer, and you do have cancer.
00:39:02.120So, I call my generation Children of Dawkins, and that is because we grew up reading Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris and the four horsemen, Christopher Hitchens, of course, the four horsemen of atheism.
00:39:19.000And I'm lapsed because, look, I personally live a fulfilled and very happy life without a belief in a higher being.
00:39:29.820I have the sense that all human beings are connected and bound together by something.
00:39:44.380I have friends who are religious, and I'll tag along, and I'll sit there, and I get a lot from it.
00:39:48.980But I can live the rest of my life, I think, not going to church on a regular basis.
00:39:55.680I'm not going to synagogue or whatever.
00:39:57.120But when I look at societies that have abandoned that, and when I look at people whose brains work differently to mine, I can see that for them it's not good.
00:40:09.300And the sense of alienation and atomization that people feel from each other in our society makes it clear to me that I think we need some way of binding people together.
00:40:22.820And more than anything as well, for a lot of people, I think they have to have some sense of overcoming the thing that I said in my speech at Ark, which is all death is certain.
00:40:37.320And for a lot of people, and I think it actually speaks to why we responded to COVID the way that we did.
00:40:44.640If you have never thought about your own mortality before, and if you're not at peace with your own mortality, then of course you're going to demand the harshest restrictions and everything to protect you.
00:40:57.940Because if you haven't accepted your mortality, then nothing is more important than death.
00:41:04.000And there are so many things that are more important than death, Glenn, as you know.
00:41:57.240I'm a very deeply religious guy, but I don't want my church involved at all.
00:42:02.740I want my church and everybody else's church to ground people in certain principles that we then live and, and hopefully seek out to vote for.
00:42:13.780Um, but, uh, how do you, how do you change this, um, without going to some sort of horrid the, uh, theocratic state?
00:42:28.660Well, I think, uh, you'll correct me if I'm wrong.
00:42:32.980And again, I'm wary of, of giving too much of an opinion about American ways of doing, because I haven't lived in America.
00:42:38.640I, I come to America regularly and it's a place that I, I love and find very interesting.
00:42:43.220But, um, it strikes me that the idea of having some kind of one top down religion is an extraordinarily anti-American thing to suggest, isn't it?
00:42:56.620Except if you believe wokeism is a religion, which I do.
00:43:00.240Well, it is, of course, it's clearly a religion and, and it's come into the chasm that has opened up by the, by the lack of religiosity in our societies.
00:43:09.980Um, but, but I don't think either of us would advocate for that or any other religion to be superimposed on America or on the UK.
00:43:17.080Um, I think, uh, I don't actually have an answer of how that, that problem gets, that problem gets solved other than I think that the crisis of meaning and purpose that particularly young people are now going through, many, many young people are going through, is such that they will eventually start looking for something.
00:43:35.520And of course, that's why they found wokeness.
00:43:37.660It gives them the illusion of meaning and the illusion of purpose.
00:43:42.520However, it is extraordinarily unsatisfying, uh, and they're going to live miserable lives.
00:43:48.700And some of them are eventually going to decide they don't want to live lives of misery and they will look for something else.
00:43:54.760Um, and, uh, I also think that every action causes an equal and opposite reaction.
00:44:01.120I think you will find, uh, the next generation will be pursuing things in a slightly different way.
00:44:08.660If you look at the, at the stats for it's actually, there's a dangerous problem in and of itself, but it's still interesting.
00:44:15.260Young gen Zedders there, the boys are quite based as we say on the internet, the girls are incredibly woke, but my point is future generations will look at what's happening to their parents' generations and think, oh, that's a bit dumb.
00:44:33.940So I, I think there will be some pushback against this and a generation of people, I'm, I'm a geriatric millennial.
00:44:40.540Um, you know, my, my, my generation have suffered a lot for this lack of meaning, meaning of purpose.
00:44:46.600Uh, and, uh, people are going to look for it.
00:44:49.340And, uh, if, if there is a version of religion, you know, the problem that my generation had with religion was that it, it was a very, it felt very authoritarian and top down.
00:45:03.320Whereas I think now there is the scope for people to be told, well, look, we're not telling you how to live your life, right?
00:45:09.760I'm not saying this is what you must do.
00:45:12.280Otherwise you're evil and you're going to hell.
00:45:14.100But if you want meaning and purpose, here are some of the ways that historically have worked for human beings to get meaning and purpose.
00:45:24.480And some of those ways are have a family, be responsible, be accountable, have community, do things for other people.
00:45:31.700Uh, you know, don't consider yourself the most important thing in the world.
00:45:35.540There are other people around you who matter more than you bind yourself to others, connect yourself to others, being this idea that being free is the only value that must be pursued at all costs is not factually true.
00:45:57.040You don't want to be free of other human beings.
00:45:59.140On the contrary, you want to be bound together with people with whom you have a common vision of things.
00:46:04.500You know, building a business together or building a community together or building, you know, a football team together, whatever it is.
00:46:11.340Doing things with others is what gives your life meaning, is what imbues you with purpose.
00:46:15.700And, um, you know, for a lot of people going to a church that will go into a synagogue or go into a temple, whatever it might be, gives you that meaning and purpose.
00:46:24.620Uh, whether you need to necessarily believe in the bearded man in the sky, I don't know.
00:46:28.600In the UK, we have a lot of people, young people, people in my generation are younger going to church now who don't believe in God.
00:47:03.800It's the same thing we talked about earlier.
00:47:08.360I think where it comes from is we are the victims of our own success.
00:47:12.000Uh, and this navel gazing and the solipsism and the look at us, look how bad we are.
00:47:17.640It's a product of a society that no longer has to fight for its own survival, that no longer has to struggle, that no longer has to overcome difficult things in order to build a society, in order to build a country.
00:47:29.880I mean, if you look at the history of the United States, for example, America really only became a powerful and super wealthy country in very recent history.
00:47:39.720Prior to that, the American experience is one of overcoming extraordinary challenges through human ingenuity, through blood, sweat, and tears.
00:47:51.280And it's no accident, I think, that, you know, World War II finishes.
00:47:55.600And by the 60s, you start to get people who are kind of like, you know, well, what are we supposed to do?
00:48:01.040I mean, we don't have any big challenges left, really.
00:48:06.680Let's look around for something that's wrong.
00:48:13.360And before you know it, you are where we are.
00:48:15.320And, by the way, you know, I don't know if you are, your viewers are familiar with a guy called Yuri Besmanov, but this idea of teaching Americans to hate their own country, it's been something that other countries around the world have attempted to infiltrate into American society.
00:48:35.820Because whenever anyone criticized the Soviet Union for the things that it was doing, they would say, well, what about the way you treat black people in America?
00:48:43.540The idea of creating racial divisions in America, not to say that America didn't have its terrible racial history, of course it did, but accentuating those and amplifying them, even as now you can see that, you know, undeniably America is a better society racially than it was 60 years ago.
00:49:02.560So, even now the amplification of those divisions is what China and Russia and America's enemies around the world want.
00:49:10.140Back with the final chapter with Constantine here in just a second.
00:49:14.020First, let me take 60 seconds and tell you about relief factor.
00:49:16.940If you are suffering from pain and you've tried everything, will you try, please, relief factor.
00:49:26.500I had pain for six years, maybe seven years, and it got too bad.
00:49:33.660It was so bad that about five years ago, I told my wife, it was around this time of the year, I think next year is the end of my career.
00:50:35.320I was very much for helping Ukraine defend itself to the extent that it was possible.
00:50:40.660And my thinking behind that was that if we help Ukraine and provide them with the military support that they need, they will do what they have done, which is fight off the Russian aggression, retake a significant portion of their territory, inflict a very significant cost on the Russian military.
00:50:56.360And degrade their ability to continue their invasion and do other things around the world that would be damaging to the interests of the West.
00:51:06.580People forget in the first three weeks, the Russians attacked from three different sides, from the north, from the east and from the south.
00:51:13.340They were successful in all three directions.
00:51:15.480From the north, they nearly reached the capital, Kiev.
00:51:29.280And in the south, they took the big city that they really managed to take in the early war was Kherson in the south without actually a fight due to traitors on the Ukrainian side.
00:51:38.160All of those gains have been pushed back quite significantly, other than Mariupol and a strip in the southeast that connects Crimea to the eastern region.
00:51:47.140So what our support has provided Ukraine is an opportunity to retain its sovereignty, which is what they were fighting for.
00:51:54.780And I said this a week after the conflict started on the biggest political debate show here in the UK called Question Time.
00:52:06.820They need to inflict heavy losses on the Russians.
00:52:09.160Then they were always going to have to trade away territory in exchange for the one thing that they really need, which is long-term security.
00:52:16.220And the reason that I am calling for the west to help Ukraine make a deal now is twofold.
00:52:22.120Number one, we clearly don't have the appetite in the west to provide them with what they need.
00:52:59.080And the second reason is this is our opportunity to help Ukraine secure its sovereignty for the long term, which means either NATO membership or some kind of North Korean demilitarized zone, North Korean and South Korean DMZ or something of that nature.
00:53:12.840Because the most important thing, and I've said this from day one, Glenn, is this cannot be allowed to happen again.
00:53:18.160It happened in 2014 and the Obama administration did nothing.
00:53:22.420They looked, they turned a blind eye and allowed the Russians to take the eastern regions, portions of the eastern regions and take Crimea.
00:53:34.060What the point of helping Ukraine defend itself was to prevent that from ever happening again, now is the time to put pressure on the Russians and on the Ukrainians to do a deal that prevents this ever happening again.
00:53:46.420So you have something happening with Ukraine.
00:53:52.160I mean, the guy who really came up with a plan designed for Crimea for Putin was Alexander Dugin.
00:54:02.280He's now he's now he's now shaping Putin's his policies and his language using religious language pretty much in the same way the Iranians are using it now that we are the great Satan and that we are destroying everything that is God.
00:54:29.700But in some ways, I kind of look at it and go, you know, we are putting poison throughout the world and the West just on, you know, transgenderism, all of this stuff with the surgeries and and there is no truth.
00:54:46.480You can't you can't let them do that to you, though.
00:55:56.720This is why, you know, I got to tell you, it always makes us outside of America laugh when you had those like 1990s American movies where you had this like CIA guy going, they hate us because of freedom.
00:56:08.260No, they don't hate you because of your freedom.
00:56:11.340They hate you because you're rich and powerful and they want what you have.
00:56:18.180So let's don't allow that propaganda to brainwash you about this.
00:56:23.540America is a force for good in the world.
00:56:25.860I would much rather live in a world that's dominated by the United States than Russia or China.
00:56:30.660And I can tell you as someone who understands those places pretty well.
00:56:34.320So what we have to do is we have to fight domestically for making sure that the American spirit, the British spirit, the British and American values are preserved, that our societies inculcate those values in our children, that we teach our children to believe in our values in our societies rather than buying into all this stuff from those countries.
00:56:53.400No, no, no, no. The West has to stand strong and it has to retain its power in the world.
00:56:57.980Otherwise, you're going to see a world rule by Russia and China.
00:57:00.900And believe you me, believe you me, you do not want that.
00:57:58.800Uh, so if you're talking about the mainstream, if you turn on your Jimmy Kimmel or your Jimmy Fallon or whatever, these people that I don't watch anymore, it's all the same garbage that you've seen a hundred times.
00:58:26.240They're really, really, really good comedians.
00:58:28.940But as I always say, ideology ruins everything.
00:58:32.120And the reason they're not funny now is they're put in context where they have to do certain things in order to pander as opposed to be funny.
00:58:41.740And this is why, coming back to our earlier conversation about where I'm optimistic about new media, comedy is a very good example of how that happens.
00:58:50.480Because in comedy, you're either funny or you're not.
01:00:36.560Who would you say could you find a George Carlin, a Lenny Bruce today that you think are I mean, those guys were they pushed the edge and said the things, especially Lenny Bruce, but also George Carlin.
01:00:57.100It said the things that were not comfortable and became legends because of it.
01:01:37.320And so, you know, Joe Rogan, I mean, I don't know if he'd be happy with me share, but he in his latest bit, he had this hilarious thing when he just made me laugh so much.
01:01:46.880He said, we lost a hell of a lot of people during covid and most of them are still alive.
01:01:51.540And I just thought that was such a great summation.
01:02:26.520Well, I don't know, because my understanding is there are further allegations that are coming.
01:02:33.680So how that lands and look, ultimately, you know, whatever whatever the rumors are and that, you know, there were a lot of there was a lot of talk in the British comedy industry about his behavior.
01:02:43.780At the time, people at the time, at the time, ultimately, even if if you have your suspicions about people or whatever, people have to be convicted in a court of law.
01:02:56.340Otherwise, otherwise, you know, what what can you do?
01:03:01.260So, you know, until he's convicted, unless he's convicted in a court of law, he's he's innocent until proven guilty.
01:03:08.040And so I guess unless there are convictions, nothing will happen to him.
01:03:14.200Is he is he actually being is he going through court?