Ep 203 ｜ 'I Covered Myself with Bodies'： Hamas Attack Survivor Details EVIL ｜ Lee Sasi ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast
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On October 7th, a 25-year-old American woman was there at the Supernova Music Festival. She saw the horror of Hamas up close. She survived by hiding under dead bodies. She shared her phone footage from that day.
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On October 7th, Hamas terrorists attacked Israel, massacring over 1,200 people and abducting 240
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more. The stories that are coming out from October 7th are astonishing. People were
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butchered in their homes, raped in the streets, beheaded, burned alive.
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It's evil like I have not seen before on display. But just hours before the attack,
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there were people dancing until sunrise at the Supernova Music Festival. They could never have
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imagined what would happen to them after sunrise. They could have never imagined that nearly one-third
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of the total deaths that day would come from those they were dancing with.
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Today's podcast, we have a survivor from the Supernova Music Festival. We have with us today
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a 25-year-old American woman who was there at the Supernova Music Festival, saw the horror
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of Hamas up close. She survived by hiding under dead bodies. She shared her phone footage with
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us from that day. Be warned, it's very graphic.
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This is the festival prior to the attack. You can see everyone dancing and enjoying themselves.
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This is her view from inside the bomb shelter where she hid from Hamas. You can see how many people have
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already been murdered by Hamas' guns and grenades. One more view. This one's right outside of the shelter.
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You can see the dead bodies spilling out of the shelter. It is only by the grace of God that this
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young woman made it out alive. She is here to tell her story. Today on the Glenn Beck Podcast, we welcome
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Thank you for coming. Thank you for being here. Thank you for having me. I appreciate it.
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We were talking before the recording about, I don't want to re-traumatize or anything else.
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Um, and you said actually talking about it helps you. How or why?
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I think after what I've been through, um, you know, seeing, you know, us getting killed,
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seeing people getting killed in front of my eyes, you know, I feel like it's really important that
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as long as I'm alive to bring awareness to what happened and not to let this happen again.
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Cause a lot of people saying that it's lies, but it's, it's not lies. It's,
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it's real life. And a lot of people are suffering a lot of trauma from this.
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So before we get into the story, I want to know who you were. Cause I imagine you're quite
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different today than you were on the 6th of October. Oh yeah, definitely. Um, so tell me about
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you. Who were you? Before, um, before I was, you know, just a simple person. I used to love,
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uh, I still like to travel and be with family and you're 25, 25 years old. Where are you?
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Where did you grow up? Yes. I'm 25 years old. I grew up in Los Angeles my whole life. Um,
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relatively normal, easy life. Yeah. I had a normal life and easy life. You know,
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I went to public school, you know, I grew up with all sorts of types of different types of people.
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You know, um, I had a diverse background with friends. Did you ever encounter real antisemitism?
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Um, not after October 7th, not before, sorry, pardon me, not before October 7th.
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Yeah. Okay. So you never had that? No, no. And I, I, it was hard to believe in a point in a way,
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not, I believed it. I knew that the Holocaust happened, but I didn't think that something
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like this would happen again in my lifetime. Nor to you, nor to me. Exactly. So why were you over
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in Israel? Is this your first time over in Israel? Um, no, I've been to Israel many times. My father,
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he's Israeli. He was born and raised in Israel. And I have a, I have a boyfriend, a fiance now,
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actually. Um, he's from Israel as well. And we had planned to go to Israel to meet his family,
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for me to meet his family and to meet, and to meet his mother and to spend the holidays with his
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family. So you were engaged before? No, no. So we wanted to meet the family. We went to meet the
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family. He wanted me to meet the family and we went together as boyfriend and girlfriend. And on the
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second day, when we arrived to Israel, he proposed to me at the, in the Jerusalem, at the Kotel,
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the Western wall. Oh, wow. Yeah. It was really special. Wow. And what day was that? I think that
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was, uh, it was like two days before, uh, Rosh Hashanah, which is the Jewish new year. I think
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it was September 13th. Okay. September 13th. So then did you plan on going to the concert?
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I did plan to go because my cousin, he was a big organizer for the event. And what was it? Because
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it seemed like, I mean, no offense from California. So you'll understand I'm from the West Coast too.
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It seems very hippie, very, just like, right. It's very hippie. Okay. Um, this location where they did
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the party, it's a known location for nature parties. Um, what's a nature, a nature party is, uh,
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that's a good question. This is what they call it in Israel. They call it the nature parties. It's
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our, their type of raves. Okay. You know, for us, we call raves raves there. They call their raves
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nature party. Okay. But it's a, basically a music festival with different DJs, uh, with genre of
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trance, mainly trance and techno. Um, and it's in the outdoorsy and it's very, you know, normally it's small
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groups, a small capacity. Normally there's like four or 500 people at these events, but this event
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was a big event for Israel and it was around 4,000 people. And was the, I mean, cause it was
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the point peace and we should all get along. Yes. It was a Nova. I think it was called Nova
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Peace Festival. Um, it was a peace festival for people that love music and love to dance.
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Um, my cousin, he was a big organizer for this event. So I knew about it weeks in advance.
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In fact, when I found out that my flight was, I was supposed to leave Israel on October 3rd
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and I decided to extend my stay in Israel so I could go to this event.
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It, I like was determined to go to this event. You know, it was, uh, I was excited for it.
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Who'd you go with? So I had gone, I had planned to go with my uncle Avi, her, his, his, I'm sorry,
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my uncle Avi, his daughter, Danielle, Danielle's husband, Maor, our good friend, Alex. And, uh,
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we planned to meet up at the event with my other cousins, Nitsa Nalidor, and my cousin,
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Omri, who was planning the event. Um, I originally wanted to go with my fiance. I had begged him
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all week, all weeks, the weeks that I had known about this event. I was begging him to, to join
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me and he didn't want to come because at first he said he was going to come. And then he found out
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that the event was on a Friday evening, which is Shabbat. And not only Shabbat, it was the holiday of
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Simchat Torah. And, you know, which is, which is a holiday. It's a Jewish holiday where, um, after
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Sukkot, after Sukkot, the holiday, they open the Torah and they dance with the Torah. It's like
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the beginning of the, of the Torah, you know, because I'm getting goosebumps speaking. It's like
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the beginning. It's the new chapter when they finished reading the whole book.
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And Sukkot is where you live out in a tent. Yeah. Sukkot, um, is a holiday. I'm, I'll be quite
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honest. I need to know more about my Jewish heritage and my backgrounds. I'm working on it. But
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Sukkot is a different Jewish holiday where they build, they build, uh, walls out of, uh,
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five walls. I'll be honest with you. I don't want to say the wrong information. No, no, no. I
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understand. Because I'm not so, uh, no religious. I'm my, my goal is to be more closer to God and
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to know all of this stuff. Um, I bet it means a lot to you now. It does. It does. So this, um,
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festival is happening out in an open field. Yes. In the middle of nowhere, it's in the open field.
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In fact, it's by the, by the Gaza Strip. I didn't even realize that it was that close until we arrived
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towards the area of the party. But to get to this party, it's in the middle of nowhere. You have to
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drive on an, on a road that goes down for miles on end. You have to drive 30 minutes to reach this
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party on this one way road. It's like in the middle of nowhere. And when you get to this party,
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all the kibbutz, which is where the terrorists had taken people from their homes was all in this area.
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It was all very close to each other. When you got there, you didn't think anything.
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You know, I didn't think about, I didn't think that this would happen, but I think our bodies,
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we all have instincts, you know, our intuition. It was weird. Cause when we were on the way to the
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party, my uncle Avi, he was freaking out that we were so close to the border. He's like, oh my gosh,
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there's the border here. You know, we're so close. And he started, he was getting paranoid. In fact, when
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we stopped to put gas in the car to go to the party and we were by the border, he was like,
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I need everyone to stand next to me outside. Like I'm scared, like always looking over his shoulder.
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So we were, we were paranoid that we were so close to the border. We didn't realize how close
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we were until we got there. So the party starts, what time are you there? We arrived to the party
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at around 2.30 in the morning. It took us about an hour to get to the party and we got there on 2.30.
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We arrived with a lot of people. There was a lot of people that had arrived at the same time.
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What time do these things start? I'm old, you know.
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It's okay. Um, this party, I think it started at like 8 PM in the evening and it goes all the way
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till the following day at 3 PM. So it's like, it's a long day party. It's like a full,
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over 24, like a little bit less than 24 hours, I would say, but it's a full night today.
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Today. So you get there. So we got to the party. Um, we entered, it's not, it's a big party for
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Israel, but for me as an American, this is, this is small. It was very, you wouldn't, you remember
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your, where you're walking, you remember the stages and the location. So we were walking through the
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area just to get like a scope of where everything is. And, uh, we walked through the, um, the campgrounds
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and it was nice. A lot of people were coming up to us and speaking to us. In fact, this one stranger
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just came up to my uncle and he's like, Hey, you, you look like you make the best steaks in the world.
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And we all looked at this man in shock because my uncle was in fact, one of the best bar, he made
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the best steaks in the world, like the best into the best. And we were in shock that this stranger
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just came up to him and said that it was like, are you psychic? Are you an angel? Where did you come
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from? It was really weird. And then this guy was speaking to us for 10 minutes and he left. And then
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after this guy left, another guy came up to my uncle and he's like, Hey, you, how old are you?
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You look like you're 25. And my uncle is 65. And my uncle is a very young soul. It was just like
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a lot of people were going up to him. And it was, I just remembered that those good times, you know,
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that was a good memory of mine from this evening. And we had a beautiful night. Everyone was in such
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good vibes. Everyone was happy. Everyone had different outfits on. They all looked hippie.
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You know, this is a hippie party. People, people dress themselves, dress as themselves, excuse me.
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And we were at this one stage and we were dancing until sunrise. It was a beautiful night.
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And then we got tired. We decided that we wanted to sit down and relax before we were going to head
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home. And we were sitting in this like tent area where there wasn't any music. There was couches and
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whatnot. So we were sitting there just vibing. And I was sitting with my uncle and he was going through
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his phone, showing me pictures that he has on his phone, like things that he made, the foods that he's
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cooked. And like pictures of him and his aunt, his nephew, Amit, which he loved very dearly,
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just going through photos, showing me photos, which I always look at signs, me personally. And
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now I think back, I'm like, that's strange that he was showing me all these photos. It was like as
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if he knew in his soul that it was about to be his ending. It was very interesting. And then the
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sunrise came up and he's like, let's go dance one last time before we head home. So we went and we were
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dancing for about 30 minutes and my uncle never tells me, never takes pictures with me. And we
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were dancing by the tent and you could see the sunrise. It was gorgeous. So I was taking videos.
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My uncle's like, let's take some photos, Lee. This is a perfect time. I'm like, you're right. Let's do
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that. So I took up my phone and I started taking selfies with him. And we were dancing and it was
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beautiful. Everyone was just in such a good mood. And then you see what looked like fireworks coming
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into the sky. And I thought to myself, this couldn't be fireworks. It's morning. You know,
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fireworks is in the nighttime. And then it clicked in my brain that this isn't fireworks. This is
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Was it coming towards the, are you okay? Yeah, I'm okay. You know, I found out that
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sighing is very good for me. It releases serious stress. Don't worry.
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Good. Okay. So the rockets were coming there, were they shelling or looking like they were attempting
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to hit the music festival or? It was just shooting into the air. It was more farther out. It was going
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not towards our area, but you could still see them. Yeah. Yeah. Um, and there was a lot of them
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coming and you, they were coming from all areas. You know, some were coming towards us, but thank God
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for the, um, for the drone, I'm sorry, for the, there's an iron dome, the iron dome that, you know,
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protects us from those missiles. Um, so in this area where the party is located, there isn't any sirens
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because no one lives in this area. It's like an open field. So there wasn't any sirens to alert us.
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So the people that actually saw the, uh, the, the rockets notified everyone around. And then out of
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after five minutes of the rockets missiling, they had shut off the music and they were telling everyone
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to evacuate the party. At this point we were walking towards the car and there was, everyone was walking,
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leaving the event area. And I remember a lot of the people that were with us, not with us,
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a lot of people that were at the party, they were saying, it's okay. Don't worry. This is normal.
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Rockets are being thrown into Israel all the time. This is a normal protocol for them. And they didn't
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look scared. Not a lot. Some looked scared and most didn't really, it was normal to them. So I was
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telling to myself, okay, everything's okay. This is normal. We just have to find shelter. That's,
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that's our priority at this moment. So, uh, the first time I was in Israel,
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I was really spooked. It was right after nine 11. I was really spooked. Cause when you see Israel,
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you're always like, it's always on fire. There's always people killing people. And it's not like
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that. And, uh, I was in, I can't remember a border town and they fired a rocket and, um,
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and it landed by us, but I wasn't freaked out by it's a different vibe. It's different. Cause like,
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yeah, you know that you're going to be safe. Why? Because when there's rockets being flown into
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Israel, there's bomb shelters in every home, mostly every home, 90% of the homes have bomb
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shelters. Not only do the homes have bomb shelters, but there's actually, uh, bomb shelters on the main,
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on the, on roads next to bomb bus stops. Sorry. Next to boss. I'm sorry. No, no, no. So that's what
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I was going to get at. You're in the middle of a field. I remember bomb shelters being everywhere.
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Yeah. So there's normally bomb shelters everywhere in Israel and where we were located,
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there was bomb shelters at every bus stop. And I had recalled seeing a bomb shelter on the way to the
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event. I have a good memory. I, I pick, I remember things without realizing it until I need to use it.
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So when we had evacuated the party and went into the car, our, my, our priority was to find shelter.
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So my uncle was like, we need to find shelter. We need to find a bomb shelter. And I said to him,
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I remembered where the bomb shelter is. Let's get onto the main road. I'll direct you to it.
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Cause there's not, there's not many roads. There's only one road out of this event.
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Yeah. You're 30 minutes. Exactly. So I told him, we got out the event. We made a left-hand
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turn on this main, main road. And we drove about eight minutes down this road until we came across
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the bus stop on the left-hand side. When we had, I forgot to mention, um, when, when I was at the
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event area, at the event, I had met up with my cousin, Nitsan and Lidol, but they came in a
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separate car. So when we got into the cars, we went separate ways because we were in separate cars.
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So my cousin went into a different bomb shelter than us, but I was in the bomb. I went into the
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car with my uncle, his daughter, the people that I went to the event, I went with them back into the
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car. And we got seven. There were seven of us. Exactly. Um, so five of us, uh, five of us got
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into the car. We went towards the bomb shelter and we parked on the side of the road and we entered
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the bomb shelter. And when we entered the bomb shelter, of course, this bomb shelter is a five by
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eight feet, uh, made out of concrete. Most of it is, there's a lot of the, a lot of the space of this
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by, from this eight by five, five by eight is a lot of concrete. So when you go inside,
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it's even smaller than the actual size of it outside. I have, I have pictures. Um, I think I
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sent it. So we entered this bomb shelter and there was about 15 of us inside, mainly girls. A lot of
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them were screaming and crying, panicking. And in my mind, I'm thinking, okay, we're in a safe place.
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We're in a bomb shelter. What could happen? What worse could happen if a rocket falls on us or next
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to us, we're going to be safe because we're inside of a bomb shelter. So in my mind, I was trying to
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calm myself down and trying to stay positive on the fact that I'm in a safe place. And I started
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making phone calls. I called my mom. I had let her know what was going on. I told her I'm in a bomb
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shelter. Everything's okay. Because in my, because at this, in this point, everything was okay.
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And, uh, this is different than the last call you made to your mom. That's correct. Yes. Yes.
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I just want to make sure the timeline. Yes, that's correct. That was, that was in the beginning. Um,
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right when we entered the bomb shelter and you were fairly positive. I was, yeah,
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I was fairly positive. I was good. And mind you, my Hebrew isn't so well, especially when I'm in,
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when I'm stressed or I'm going through panic, I don't listen. I can't, the words don't, um,
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don't go through, don't register through my brain because I'm not focusing. So a lot of people were
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making conversations, speaking really fast, and I couldn't understand. I couldn't tell what they
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were saying. And, uh, after 20 of, after 20 minutes of sitting inside this small bomb shelter,
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it got really hot inside. And I decided I'm going to go outside and take a deep breath and some fresh air.
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And I went outside the bomb shelter and my uncle Avi was speaking with a, a brave Bedouin man,
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a friendly Bedouin man that was working the festival grounds. He was also hiding inside the
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bomb shelter from the rockets. And he came to my uncle and he was speaking to him. And I went up to
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my uncle and I said, Avi, what is he saying? What is he saying? And my uncle's not answering me. He
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didn't want to tell me. He said, just go inside the bomb shelter. Later on, after I got,
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after October 7th, I found out that this, my cousin told me his, Avi's daughter who was with us in the
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bomb shelter. She told me that this Bedouin man had notified Avi that there was going to be a
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terrorist attack because he received notice from his family. So this Bedouin man was letting my uncle
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So for people who don't know, Bedouin is a, a nomadic tribe, Arab, not necessarily pro-Palestinian or
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Not necessarily. Yeah. They, we, there's a lot of, we live with Bedouin, a lot of Bedouins in Israel.
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Um, so they, they're part of, they're part of Israel, you know, they're the citizens of Israel
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as well. Um, so they were, he was working the festival grounds and he was with us.
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And why would his family know about the attack?
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I'm not sure they got notice. I think maybe if someone found out, um, a lot also when he had
00:24:50.560
been told, when he had let my uncle know this was already after an hour of the rockets being thrown
00:24:56.000
in. And I know that Hamas was posting videos as early as six 45 in the morning. So maybe someone
00:25:03.200
saw it on telegram, maybe someone saw it on the news when it went out. Um, I'm not sure to be honest,
00:25:10.800
but he got notified and he had let my uncle know. And I was there with my uncle when he was speaking
00:25:15.680
to him, but I didn't understand what was going on. And my uncle was just saying, go inside,
00:25:21.280
go inside the bomb shelter, which I'm really grateful. He didn't tell me because I think
00:25:25.440
I would have panicked if he had told me that there was going to be a terrorist attack.
00:25:30.080
So in my mind, I had no idea that there was going to be a terrorist attack, but everybody else with me
00:25:35.440
inside this bomb shelter, they all knew that there was going to be a terrorist attack.
00:25:40.000
And everyone was screaming and crying and more people started showing up.
00:25:44.400
And at this point, we're about 40 people in this bomb shelter in a five by eight and a five by
00:25:49.760
eight foot concrete box, which is actually smaller than five by eight because more of the space is
00:25:59.280
I know, Michael, I would love to go. I want to go one day.
00:26:02.640
It is extraordinarily difficult when you get into the actual chamber, gas chamber.
00:26:14.880
I, I, to be honest, I thought I was the Holocaust in the moment. I even, there's text messages of
00:26:20.640
me sending to my family saying, can't believe I'm in this. I can't believe it. I feel like I'm in
00:26:24.960
the Holocaust. It's like history repeats itself.
00:26:28.000
It does. Okay. So you're in, everybody's panicked, everyone's panicked. And at this
00:26:33.440
point when I had entered this bomb shelter, it was already 90% full. So I was in the entryway
00:26:40.880
So I didn't have enough space in towards. And I was with my uncle. So we were trying to get away.
00:26:46.240
We weren't pushing our way in, but every time that there was an inch of space, we would try to
00:26:52.080
move towards it just because everyone was screaming. We didn't understand what was going on. We just
00:26:56.320
wanted to stay inside just in case there was going to be a rocket that hits by the bomb shelter.
00:27:04.400
And don't want to be at the doorway, especially where I was, where we were, it was a horrible spot.
00:27:09.120
So more people started showing up. And then where we were, there was, it was packed until the entryway
00:27:16.560
of the actual bomb shelter. So the hallway before you enter the box was full of people. So we were
00:27:23.520
packed and you hear this Bedouin man that was speaking to my uncle. After 10 minutes, 10 minutes
00:27:30.400
later, you hear the same Bedouin man screaming at the top of his lungs. He's saying, I don't know what
00:27:36.240
he was saying. Cause he was speaking Arabic, but it sounded like he was saying, I'm Arab, I'm Arab.
00:27:42.400
And after he started screaming those words, what sounded like a thousand bullets were going
00:27:48.480
towards, were going off towards the hallway of the bomb shelter.
00:27:53.600
And machine gun fire, machine gun on automatic. Yeah. And who everyone that was standing in the hallway of
00:28:00.960
the bomb shelter and including our friend, Alex, who was guarding the bomb shelter,
00:28:06.720
they all died instantly. And I think there was about five to eight of them standing in the hallway.
00:28:11.760
It was a very small hallway, so it couldn't fit much people, but there was a lot of people.
00:28:17.120
Well, eight people is a lot, you know, and, and your friend, Alex was one.
00:28:22.400
Alex was one of them. I think he was one of the first, because he told us from the beginning that
00:28:28.400
he's going to guard this bomb, he said that he's going to guard this bomb shelter and he's not going
00:28:33.200
to let nobody pass. And he did just that, to be honest. What a guardian. He was a big guardian.
00:28:39.920
In fact, the videos that were released of people like other civilians that were in the bomb shelter,
00:28:46.800
there's videos of Alex outside the bomb shelter. And you see him guarding the bomb shelter just
00:28:52.880
with no fear. Like he had no fear, even from the moment that the rockets were going off. He had no
00:28:57.840
fear. I applause him. He's a, he's a hero. He's a big hero. So when the terrorists started shooting
00:29:04.720
off towards the hallway, everyone who was in the hallway died instantly, fell on the floor and the
00:29:12.640
terrorists walked into the bomb shelter, walked into, in towards the hallway of the bomb shelter,
00:29:19.680
got towards the, the doorway of the bomb shelter where me and my uncle were standing. We were standing,
00:29:25.120
but there was some people in front of us. And the terrorists aimed the gun inside, the automatic gun
00:29:32.080
inside the shelter and started shooting on automatic for 20 seconds. I'm going like this,
00:29:38.800
trying to kill as many of us as possible. And then after they started shooting,
00:29:44.880
they threw two grenade bomb, two grenades back to back inside the bomb shelter.
00:29:51.520
It's five by eight. It's a five by eight. Yeah. It's, but these, this grenade isn't like the,
00:29:57.200
you, I don't know the difference. I've never seen explosions of grenades, but it was a,
00:30:02.640
I think it's a handmade grenade or it's made from, I don't know, to be honest. I don't want to say
00:30:08.400
the wrong information, but what happens when this grenade explodes, um, particles explodes with it.
00:30:14.240
And this particles, it like can break, take your hand off. It can take your foot off. It can,
00:30:19.840
it flies everywhere. And like, and it's hot too. It's like hot metal. So the grenades exploded
00:30:26.960
and everyone who was around, like standing around this grenade all got killed instantly.
00:30:32.640
Um, and the second grenade that had exploded, um, and the second grenade that had exploded,
00:30:36.400
a big piece of it exploded on my uncle's chest. And he had died instantly while he was standing next
00:30:44.240
to me side by side. And this was just the beginning. I was just 7 45 in the morning.
00:30:52.800
They threw in, um, this glass. It was a glass bottle full of fluids with a piece of leather on it,
00:31:01.440
not leather, like a piece of a t-shirt or something. And they light it, a Molotov and
00:31:05.760
they throw it inside. When the glass shatters, it will light on fire. So they threw two bottles
00:31:12.160
of this inside the shelter and it didn't explode because there was so many bodies inside the shelter
00:31:18.400
that it didn't, it didn't, uh, shatter the glass. Thank God. But what, but it didn't shatter,
00:31:24.640
but it did explode. There was, um, like a smoke bomb that had entered the bomb shelter from this,
00:31:32.240
from this bottle. And the smoke bomb, it chokes you. I was about to run out. I was thinking to
00:31:39.040
myself, okay, I'm going to run out. I need to, I need to breathe. I'm going to die. I'm going to die.
00:31:43.120
And something in my, in me told me, no, Lee, you need to stay in here. You need to find strategies
00:31:47.520
to stay alive. And I was looking on the floor for something. I don't know what I was looking for,
00:31:51.920
but I had, I was choking from air and I wanted to cover my face and had a jacket that was sitting
00:31:58.080
around my waist that I was in fact debating to bring to the event. I took it off my chest,
00:32:03.040
off my waist. I put it over my head and I had crawled to the floor into a ball. And I started
00:32:08.640
breathing really slowly and focusing on my breathing. And I had, that's when I realized
00:32:14.720
that my uncle had just got hit by the grenade. It was like, all of this happened back to back.
00:32:20.320
Like there was no time to even focus, to acknowledge, to even process what, what just had happened.
00:32:27.360
And I'm sitting there and I see my uncle dead next to me. And I see people in front of me all dead.
00:32:34.240
I see a girl that her face was blown off from the gunshots, a girl that her back had her,
00:32:40.880
her back got exploded from the grenade and she was screaming, screaming. And we were asking her
00:32:46.800
to be quiet. We understood that she was, she was in, she was in so much pain, but every time that she
00:32:53.280
was screaming, the terrorist would enter again and throw more grenades and would try to eliminate us. And
00:33:00.320
at this point we're like maybe 15 of us alive inside this bomb shelter out of the 40 in this moment.
00:33:10.160
This is, but this is still the morning and this group of terrorists would leave.
00:33:15.600
And then you would hear another group of terrorists coming with, uh, in the different forms of
00:33:21.040
transportation they would come with by on motorcycles and trucks, on cars. You would hear them always in a
00:33:27.520
different style of transportation. And I could hear it cause I was so focusing on the sounds.
00:33:33.120
Cause that's all I could do in this moment. Cause I was closing my eyes.
00:33:38.480
And in this moment I would hear the terrorists come back again and I would pick up all the bodies
00:33:44.560
that had just died and I would put them over me to shield myself from any of the explosions that
00:33:51.920
they would throw into the bomb shelter. What was that like? It was, it was,
00:34:00.240
I can't even explain to you what we've been, what I've been through, what we've been through.
00:34:05.360
And I don't know how I had the energy or the power, but I, during this moments,
00:34:10.320
these moments that we're being terrorized by these terrorists, I took my phone out and I started
00:34:15.440
contacting my fiance. I started calling my mom. I started right when I, when my uncle died,
00:34:21.760
I called my mom to tell her what happened and she couldn't understand me cause it was no service.
00:34:27.040
She's like, what? Hello? Hello? I can't hear you. And so I hung up and I sent her a voice message
00:34:31.520
and that's the voice message that you, you heard. Um, it was right in the moment that's,
00:34:36.720
you can hear the terror in my voice and not only my voice, but the people around me in the background,
00:34:41.760
like it was so traumatizing. And every 30 minutes, new terrorists would attack us and they would throw
00:34:51.520
our, they would throw hand grenades. And there was, there was this one time that they threw an RPG,
00:34:57.360
the bomb shelter. And when they threw this RPG, it was like the bit, like all of the blasts are allowed
00:35:03.680
to begin with, but this explosion, I'll never forget it. It was like our whole bodies, whoever was dead
00:35:10.400
and alive. We all like, like our bodies went up into the air and like fell back down just from the
00:35:16.720
blast of the explosion. And every time that they attacked us, you would hear the excitement and
00:35:24.080
the joy in their voices. They would scream, and they would, you, you hear them screaming of laughter,
00:35:31.680
of, of joy. Like, this is like, this turns them on. Like, that's exactly how I felt. Like,
00:35:39.840
it was horrible. It was, it was horrible. We were in this bomb shelter for eight hours.
00:35:46.080
Eight? Eight hours. And every 30 minutes? And every 30 minutes, the terrorists, new terrorists would attack us.
00:35:52.160
There was a point that I had like three bodies on me. Oh my gosh. Like I wanted them. Every time that
00:36:01.680
someone would die, unfortunately, I would pick them up and I would put them with me, or I would pick them
00:36:05.360
up and I'd put them in the entrance, like in the doorway to block us, like to, to shield us from the
00:36:12.080
grenades. So were they walking on the bodies in the hallway to get to, or were they just doing everything
00:36:18.720
from the hallway, the entrance? So in the beginning, when they first attacked us, when they killed Alex
00:36:24.800
in the hallway and everyone in the beginning, they had walked, the terrorists had walked into the bomb
00:36:30.480
shelter and attacked inside. But after that one time, they just kept throwing grenades and would
00:36:36.720
shoot from the hallway. So where are you in a square if the hallway is in the front? Um, this is a
00:36:45.360
question. So I'm like right by the entryway of the door, but you're off. Like there was like a little
00:36:51.600
wall that saved me, but this little wall, there was a wall and then there was like the entry doorway,
00:36:58.640
but there was no door. So it was like a doorless way. Right. So I was right by the front. I, in fact,
00:37:03.600
when we got rescued, I was the first person outside the shelter. That's how close I was. I was the first
00:37:09.280
person alive. Um, not alive, but I was the first person like in front, like it was a line of people.
00:37:15.760
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slash back. It's unimaginable being under dead people. Uh, it was, was there any thought or was that just
00:39:48.080
a natural instinct? It's thank you for asking this because you know, even for myself, if I, if you asked
00:39:56.320
me this before I'd be like, what I was under dead bodies, that's insane. Never. I never felt more safe
00:40:05.520
being under the dead bodies. Like I felt the safest with them on me rather than being without them with
00:40:12.320
like on top of my body. Like it was a, it was a survival mode instinct. It was definitely survival
00:40:20.960
motive. I was in survival mode. I was looking, I was thinking about strategies to survive. Like in the
00:40:29.440
moments when they were attacking me, I was thinking about how am I going to survive this? I was, I
00:40:35.920
remember my uncle had died. I was like, okay, he has a, he has a pair of keys in his wallet in his pocket
00:40:40.880
and he has a phone. My phone has 20%. So I was thinking about like, what's, what's going to happen
00:40:46.240
later on this day? You know what I mean? Cause I had 20% on my phone and I was, I was trying to
00:40:53.120
grab my uncle's phone. So that way I could have a second backup phone and I was trying to grab his
00:40:57.360
car keys. So that way when the terrorists would leave, I could get into his car and drive off,
00:41:02.560
which at the end I wasn't able to get his car keys, which I'm glad I didn't, because I think it would
00:41:08.240
have saved my, it saved my life. I would have been shot. Met them on the road. Yeah. I would have met them on
00:41:12.160
the road, but I was trying to stay positive and trying to help others around me. I was putting
00:41:18.160
bodies on them. I was trying to help this girl that was in front of me. I don't know how she stayed.
00:41:23.200
I don't know how she's alive. Like it was a miracle that she stayed alive because she was in front, but
00:41:28.480
she had gotten shot and she was right where the grenades were exploding. Oh my gosh. I mean, I was also
00:41:35.200
there, but she was even closer. Um, did you guys talk in those 30 minutes or what was the eight
00:41:43.600
hours? Yeah. Um, in the moment, in the beginning, we were all in shock. Even myself, I didn't cry.
00:41:51.920
I didn't speak. I only spoke to my family on the phone cause I needed, I wanted to get us help. Um,
00:41:58.160
but I didn't speak with anyone around me for the first two hours. We were all like in shock. We were
00:42:04.480
all kind of dozed off, uh, so disassociated with the world. Like I was aware and a focus of
00:42:11.360
everything, but I was like staring into the wall, you know, my, and you know, they say your life
00:42:17.120
flashes before your eyes. Like my life really flashed. Like I started daydreaming about my life
00:42:23.520
growing up when I was a kid, like all of this, it was crazy. It was insane. Um, but after a few
00:42:33.040
hours we did start talking, we were trying to help each other. We were looking for waters inside the
00:42:38.000
shelter. I mean, there was this one water bottle that we found had this much water and we were like
00:42:43.040
eight, nine people at this point, nine of us, each of us took sips and we were all passing it to one
00:42:49.600
another. We were all trying to help each other. Like we weren't selfish. Everyone was, was very, um,
00:42:56.320
Altruistic. Everybody looking for each other. Everyone was looking out for each other. No one
00:43:04.000
left anyone behind. We all, we were keeping each other staying, we were talking to each other and
00:43:10.560
staying positive, making conversation. In fact, I was speaking to everyone. I was saying to them,
00:43:15.600
what are you going to do when you get out? What are you going to eat? How universal? What's the
00:43:22.960
first thing you're going to eat? What are you going to do when you get out? Yeah. And they were looking
00:43:26.800
at me like, you're crazy. Like we're not going to get out of this, but I'm like trying to stay
00:43:31.200
positive, trying to stay positive. Um, I was screaming to God. I was praying to God. I was
00:43:38.880
screaming. I was telling everybody, cause I have a grandpa who was a big, big rabbi in my, in my
00:43:44.560
ancestry. And I was telling them, don't worry. My grandpa's protecting us, screaming his name,
00:43:50.560
like being a, like a crazy lady, you know, it's funny. Cause you are the, you are maybe the poster
00:43:59.760
child for there are no atheist in the foxhole. You didn't go in an atheist, but you didn't,
00:44:06.240
you weren't a big God person. I wasn't a big God person. And I mean, I, I've always felt God around,
00:44:12.560
but growing up, I never was taught my religion as much as I wanted to now as a person. Um,
00:44:22.080
and I feel very close to God. I feel like God gave me a second chance in life. And I think,
00:44:28.320
I feel like I owe it to God to be closer to my religion and to, to my roots. So I can pass this
00:44:36.640
down to my children. Like, it's very important to me, especially after what happened on October 7th.
00:44:41.760
So there's two ways to go from that. So let me first stop here. Did you bargain with God?
00:44:53.920
I bargained with God. I said to him two things. I said, if I'm going to die, just let me die
00:44:59.680
without suffering. Cause there was a lot that a lot of, a lot of people that suffered in front of
00:45:05.440
me and it was horrifying to see that. And I said, the second thing is if I get out of this alive,
00:45:11.120
I will do everything I can in my power to be closer to you every week, every month, you know,
00:45:19.200
it's just to be closer and to, to, to do my duties, you know, as a Jewish person and respect.
00:45:27.520
Go to Shabbat, which I'll be honest, it's not easy to keep Shabbat, especially when you come from
00:45:34.560
a home where you never kept Shabbat, you know, it's, it's, it's baby steps. The Jewish, the Jewish
00:45:41.200
life is not easy. It's not easy. It's not easy. It's not easy, but I do believe in baby steps. I feel
00:45:48.000
like when I do baby steps and I take small, every week I do something more, it, it, it makes it easier
00:45:55.280
for me to, to move to that side, to be more closer and to start keeping Shabbat fully. I'll be honest.
00:46:02.240
I kept since October 7th, I've kept Shabbat four times, um, fully, but, uh, it's been a little bit
00:46:09.520
hard, but I'm every week I'm getting better. And I, and when I don't do it fully, I feel guilt within me
00:46:15.920
and I feel it. Like, I feel like I'm doing something bad, which at least if I feel that
00:46:20.960
guilt, I have, well, hopefully it gets better. You know what I mean? Hopefully it will
00:46:26.400
turn in. Cause I, I was the same way when I first realized and bargained with God. And the first
00:46:34.320
part was, uh, I made this promise and I would feel guilty. And then it turns into, I don't want to do
00:46:44.120
anything other than this. I, this is so good. It is good. Yeah. And it's rewarding. Yeah. Yeah. And
00:46:51.440
when I do it, I feel closer to God even more. Like I feel the presence. I feel the rewardness. I feel
00:46:59.200
like good things happen. Good people come around me. Yeah. You know, you are who you hang out with.
00:47:05.520
Yeah. It's a big thing. So, which is a good thing on your fiance. Yes. Yeah. And he's very close to God.
00:47:12.240
So, I mean, it's saved his life. It did save his life. And I, even for him, he went through different
00:47:17.840
trauma, but because of this whole thing, him not coming to the event and him standing with his grounds
00:47:23.440
on not coming, um, I think that opened his eyes even more on being closer to, to God on his end as
00:47:31.280
well. So the other way to look at this is not just you spiritually, but there've been 19 holocausts, 19.
00:47:44.480
This keeps happening over and over again. And I, I know because I've, I've worried about
00:47:57.600
the cycle repeating for the last 20 years I've been talking about. We're planting all the wrong seeds.
00:48:03.600
And, um, a lot of Jewish people didn't see it coming. Didn't, didn't recognize the seeds that are
00:48:16.480
always planted before. And those who went through the Holocaust never again, and they taught it. And
00:48:27.360
I think some went one way where they said, I don't want to be with God. Okay. If this,
00:48:33.280
God lets this happen. I know others were connected to their Jewishness, if you will, and to their God.
00:48:42.320
And it, it carries with it, I imagine, um, responsibility, um, a deeper,
00:48:55.680
a need almost to know your roots, know why you're Jewish, know why the world is doing this. Am I right
00:49:08.640
or wrong? I agree. It's important. It's important for the Jewish people to know where they came from
00:49:14.480
and to know their ancestors and their history. Because if we don't know what happened in the past,
00:49:20.320
then it history is going to repeat itself and it's going to fall off. And not just with history,
00:49:25.840
but with a religion, you know? Yeah. It's unbelievable. So you're now,
00:49:34.960
what time do we go to that you're in the shelter? You're starting to talk to one another. People are
00:49:43.520
still coming in. What time does this change? Um, around two o'clock, long hours from around 2 PM,
00:49:52.400
a car rolled up and we heard a man speaking in Hebrew. And at first we were all very scared,
00:49:59.680
you know, cause we were terrified that this was a terrorist, you know, pretending to speak Hebrew.
00:50:04.480
Right. So, um, we didn't answer this man and the voice came closer and he started entering the bomb
00:50:12.000
shelter and he said, Nitsan, it's the Abba, which means Nitsan, it's Abba. Nitsan is a girl that was
00:50:19.120
with us in the shelter. It's dad. It's dad. And my cousin's husband, who was sitting next to me,
00:50:25.200
he said, they're here to save us. Get up, get up. And I was the first person. I got up so fast. I had
00:50:32.720
ran over the bodies to the car. And when I had got into the car, I was by myself outside and I got
00:50:40.160
so scared cause I saw a car coming. I didn't know if this is a terrorist or if this is backup or
00:50:45.680
whatever the case. So I had ran back into the bomb shelter, running over the bodies.
00:50:50.400
And the father looked at me, he's like, what are you doing here? Go back to the car. And I got so
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scared. So I went back to the car. Like I was so like, I didn't know what to do. I was, I was just so
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strange comfort. It was just weird. It was so strange. So we ended up all getting into the car
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after five minutes. Um, we were nine of us in the car. How many out of the original seven that came
00:51:13.760
with you from the seven? Um, so cause we went to, we entered this bomb shelter, only five of us from
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the seven. So from the five of us that entered this bomb shelter, only three of us survived to my uncle
00:51:26.640
Avi and our friend Alex died in this bomb shelter. Um, right away. Right. Yeah. In the beginning,
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Alex died. He was in the hallway. And then Avi was with next to me when, when they threw the first
00:51:39.920
grenades into the shelter in the beginning, they both died in the beginning in the morning.
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Um, but, uh, we got into the car and Nitsan's father said to us, don't look outside the window,
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put your head down. And we couldn't listen. We didn't listen to him. We had to do just that.
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We had to look outside the window and the drive back to safety was a war zone. You could like this,
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there was a one way road, this road that I had that I was just telling you earlier. It's very small.
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It's like one car in each lane. Like there's one lane this way and one lane that way. It's one lane
00:52:13.200
per car, one car per lane. And the lane was full of dead bodies that we couldn't even drive on the
00:52:20.320
road. We had to drive on the dirt path where the field is to get to, to get to like an open space
00:52:27.440
road without bodies and cars burned to death. Uh, it was horrible. Um, when we drove on the dirt path,
00:52:35.280
it was on where the, where they do all the farming, you see all the dead people on the ground,
00:52:40.160
like they were running for their lives and they got shot. You saw people with their heads chopped off,
00:52:47.360
people burned cars that were burnt. It was worse than a scene of the walking dead. I don't know
00:52:53.680
if you've seen that show before. It's even worse than that. Worse than that. The things that we saw
00:52:59.920
was inhumane. Not even animals do that to their own prey. You know, uh, it was horrible. It's terrible.
00:53:12.560
What do you want people to take away from our time together?
00:53:17.120
It's important for people to know what's really happening and to actually do their history,
00:53:23.440
look up their history and to know actual facts instead of reading, um, fake news and on social
00:53:29.920
media. Cause right now I feel like a lot of people are being fed misled information and that's causing
00:53:38.640
a lot of, um, that's causing a lot of issues for us on our end. And it's, it's horrible.
00:53:46.480
Usually what happens? I mean, I'm so struck by the repeat of history here where,
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you know, we didn't have videos, but we had eyewitnesses and the world didn't listen.
00:54:02.480
And it's not, I used to think it was because it's so horrible. Why would you believe that? You
00:54:08.160
couldn't believe that. But now there's video. Now we, we know it, we've seen it, we've heard it.
00:54:15.040
And for some reason, they still don't believe us till they don't believe it. No, even with video,
00:54:22.640
they say it's AI, huh? What the AI can do something like this?
00:54:29.040
You know, my cousin Nitsan and her boyfriend lead door when they had gone separate ways,
00:54:34.240
they went in their car, we turned left. They had turned right on this main road, unfortunately.
00:54:39.840
And they entered this bomb, a different bomb shelter than us.
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And in this bomb shelter, the terrorist, in fact, um, they murdered my cousin and her boyfriend.
00:54:53.840
And there was a video of my cousin's boyfriend running outside the bomb shelter as the terrorists
00:55:00.320
are shooting him to death. It went viral. I'm sure you've seen it.
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Um, and in this specific bomb shelter, they kidnapped people. I mean,
00:55:11.520
Hirsch, I don't know about Hirsch's story. Hirsch was in this bomb shelter with my cousin, Nitsan,
00:55:15.760
Lido. I hope they bring Hirsch home. So I just have to say that. It's really important.
00:55:21.920
But my cousin, Nitsan, she was four months pregnant when they murdered her.
00:55:29.200
Four months pregnant. It was so sad. It was so sad to coming home after being saved,
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having to go to my cousin's funeral and my uncle's funeral and my cousin's boyfriend's funeral.
00:55:43.760
It was just like, just to see them being buried when I was just with them a few days ago, you know?
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what, how would your life change if you would start to view things as
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things? Things aren't happening to you, but they're happening for you.
00:56:17.280
And it's hard on something like this to look at it that way. But I think you are. I think you're,
00:56:25.680
you're taking it and finding the good to come from it. And I, I can't thank you enough for being with
00:56:35.200
me. And I can't thank you for sharing this. Thank you, Glenn. God bless you. God bless you too.
00:56:40.640
Thank you. Thank you for noticing that I'm, I'm trying to, to look at the positive. I'm a positive
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person. That's my nature. I don't think they'll ever change. I mean, there's going to be days where
00:56:51.440
I feel bad, negative. I mean, who doesn't? But I try to look at the positive. I say that I feel like my
00:57:00.000
uncle died to save us, to save me, his daughter and his son-in-law. And along with the others that
00:57:09.200
had survived with me inside this bomb shelter, because if there's no way that we survived,
00:57:14.720
it was, it was a miracle. It was an absolute miracle. Especially after I seeing my uncle die
00:57:22.000
in front of me. And it's not like he was sitting like where you are. He was next to me. Like,
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like, like he guarded me. He shielded me. It was like, God knew everything. Like we don't see the
00:57:34.880
whole picture. You know, we just see this, but God knows, has the whole picture. It's a puzzle to
00:57:40.820
every piece, you know? God bless you. Thank you, Glenn. God bless you too.
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