The Glenn Beck Program - Ep 205 ｜ Texas Bishop Removed by Pope Francis Sets the Record Straight ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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00:00:22.260 I'm afraid America is on the brink of moral bankruptcy.

00:00:26.180 My guest today is here to sound the alarm.

00:00:28.240 In 2012, he was chosen by Pope Benedict XVI as the fourth bishop of the Diocese of Tyler, Texas.

00:00:36.880 Well, last November, he was asked to resign by the new pope, Pope Francis.

00:00:42.720 He removed him.

00:00:44.280 The question is, why?

00:00:47.040 He wasn't ever given an answer.

00:00:49.140 Was he too political on his social media?

00:00:51.860 Were his criticisms of the pope out of line?

00:00:54.720 The Vatican is still silent.

00:00:56.520 But he's here to tell his side of the story.

00:00:59.780 Today on the Glenn Beck Podcast, welcome Bishop Strickland.

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00:02:00.360 Thank you, Bishop, for coming in.

00:02:15.560 Sure.

00:02:16.100 Pleasure to be here.

00:02:17.680 So a lot of people don't know the story, don't have any idea even who you are.

00:02:25.680 I do.

00:02:26.340 A lot of people in Texas are very aware of you and around the country because you have been very outspoken on a few things, and then the Pope fired you.

00:02:39.900 So let's start there.

00:02:43.560 Why were you fired?

00:02:45.060 Do you know yet?

00:02:47.540 Well, I think I know.

00:02:49.900 But you haven't been told.

00:02:50.800 Officially, no.

00:02:52.880 Nothing official, but because I've spoken out and said the truth doesn't change, and there's really an agenda, clearly, from the Vatican and Pope Francis to say the truth has changed.

00:03:08.160 And I feel the obligation as a successor of the apostles in our Catholic faith to say, no.

00:03:18.460 Scripture tells us clearly.

00:03:21.120 2,000 years of deposit of faith tells us.

00:03:25.840 Actually, there's some clear warnings that don't listen if they try to bring a new gospel.

00:03:32.980 The truth doesn't change.

00:03:34.580 That's the reason that I needed to be removed.

00:03:39.200 The word that was used in the letter, very brief letter, was relieved.

00:03:45.680 You're relieved of your responsibility as Bishop of Tyler.

00:03:50.540 So are you, but you're still a priest or a bishop?

00:03:57.280 Still a bishop.

00:03:57.880 Is it retired or?

00:03:59.480 Yes, that's basically the category I fall into, Bishop Emeritus or retired Bishop of Tyler.

00:04:06.600 But this has come, I mean, there was quite a bit of pushback and forth.

00:04:12.840 You were one of them, some people say this was one of the reasons why you were retired, is because you went out to Los Angeles when the Dodgers were holding the, you know, perpetual sisters of mercy or whatever.

00:04:31.180 And clearly mocking Christ, clearly mocking Catholics and nuns.

00:04:38.440 I'm not Catholic.

00:04:39.900 I was offended by that.

00:04:41.820 And while everybody has a right to free speech, for the Dodgers to endorse that, especially in the City of Angels, was shocking.

00:04:53.540 And for you to show up, but I guess that was wrong because you didn't have permission, that's not your area?

00:05:00.260 Well, interestingly, as you know, with working in the media, long before Dodger Stadium happened, I already knew that I was going to have this apostolic visitation.

00:05:14.480 And with, I mean, the first part of June, this happened later in June was when the Dodger Stadium, I forget the date, but I knew well before Dodger Stadium that I was already having a visitation.

00:05:29.200 People said, oh, he's getting a visitation because he went to Dodger Stadium.

00:05:33.560 So it wasn't accurate.

00:05:35.380 And certainly, me going to Dodger Stadium, the Archbishop did know, Archbishop of Los Angeles, Archbishop Gomez.

00:05:47.840 I notified him that I'd been asked to be there.

00:05:51.340 I didn't volunteer, but I was invited and I said, yeah, I think somebody needs to go.

00:05:57.660 I didn't know if I would be the only bishop.

00:06:00.380 I didn't expect a large crowd, but I didn't know I would be the only one.

00:06:06.960 So, but so be it.

00:06:10.020 I guess that sort of, it does follow the narrative for why I was removed because I'm doing these things that are, it's like, oh, that's not how we operate.

00:06:23.100 Well, I believe as a successor of the apostles, we have to look back to the apostles.

00:06:29.320 That needs to be the model.

00:06:31.800 And they were bold.

00:06:33.240 They were, and they got in trouble for it.

00:06:37.360 Most of them lost their lives.

00:06:39.800 So losing your position is far short of losing your life.

00:06:45.760 So I really believe that we as Catholics and we as leaders of the Catholic Church, we need to operate differently.

00:06:58.940 That's the call that I felt.

00:07:01.000 It's, it's gotten, it's been controversial.

00:07:03.200 It's gotten me in trouble, but I feel I'm in good company with the apostles, the original apostles and many bishops through the ages that have said no to some of the agenda that's out there.

00:07:19.160 So let's go back, just spend a little bit on what truth is unchangeable.

00:07:26.640 Well, what we call the deposit of faith, which I've been told you're talking too much about the deposit of faith.

00:07:34.680 I don't think we're talking about it enough.

00:07:36.500 What is the deposit of faith?

00:07:38.760 Sacred scripture.

00:07:40.780 The magisterial teachings of the church documents through the ages.

00:07:45.920 The catechism captures a lot of the deposit of faith.

00:07:49.400 A lot of the writings of the early fathers that didn't become scripture, but were very well respected writings.

00:07:56.780 Foundations of your theology and faith.

00:08:00.500 Yeah.

00:08:01.900 What, what should you be talking about?

00:08:04.700 What, what is.

00:08:06.220 Well, there's, there's a big social agenda that, you know, is encouraged to be more of the focus, which certainly that comes from the deposit of faith.

00:08:17.500 It's guided by that, the values that should be there.

00:08:21.220 But I think we, you know, I believe we need to return to, as, as I have said often, we need to be first century Christians in the 21st century. 0.95

00:08:35.860 And a lot of that is being, you know, discounted or actually pushed back against.

00:08:43.120 It's like, oh, that's antiquated.

00:08:44.940 That's backward thinking, you know.

00:08:48.100 What does that mean to be, that's not to be anti-modernity.

00:08:56.780 No.

00:08:57.180 Yeah.

00:08:57.800 Not, not, that's not, I'm not anti-modernity.

00:09:02.700 Right.

00:09:03.080 But I am in favor of modernity being guided by those foundational principles.

00:09:10.560 Yes.

00:09:11.040 That are unchanging.

00:09:12.500 Correct.

00:09:12.840 God created us male and female.

00:09:14.920 I believe that those basics, I mean, a lot of people that, oh, how antiquated you are, but.

00:09:22.040 It's the building block of all life.

00:09:24.820 It is.

00:09:25.480 It's the building block.

00:09:26.400 It's how God put it together and that's how it works.

00:09:30.440 And trying to pretend that we're God and we can revamp everything.

00:09:36.400 It doesn't work long term.

00:09:38.760 It doesn't even work very long at all, but certainly not long term.

00:09:43.320 And that's, I guess that's the message I keep trying to bring, even though I am no longer a diocesan bishop.

00:09:50.400 I'm still a bishop.

00:09:51.820 I still have the same responsibility.

00:09:54.080 And I feel like I need to continue to speak the truth with the greatest charity, I believe, is to speak the truth and to share with people.

00:10:07.400 There are a lot of confused people in the world today and a lot of confused Catholics.

00:10:13.380 But the cutting through the confusion is the truth.

00:10:18.220 If we proclaim Jesus Christ, we're still in our faith, we're still in the Christmas season.

00:10:24.180 I know Christmas is way back in the rearview mirror.

00:10:27.160 For most people, we're looking to Valentine's Day.

00:10:29.640 You know, that's the next event, next sales opportunity in our society.

00:10:35.340 But we're still in the Christmas season.

00:10:37.900 Jesus Christ is the light of the world.

00:10:40.180 He's truth incarnate.

00:10:41.580 And really, Glenn, I have to say, just from my life as a man of faith, my relationship with Jesus Christ, my knowledge of him, my life with him has deepened in the time that I've been a bishop.

00:11:00.040 And it's because of that, that I know it's because of that, that I have the strength to speak in opposition to powers that many are not willing to speak against.

00:11:15.460 This is why people of faith, real faith, are so dangerous to authoritarians or anything else. 1.00

00:11:22.080 Because I know for a fact, I don't have to do this job anymore.

00:11:27.600 I don't want to do this job anymore.

00:11:29.040 You know, I do it because I'm a man of faith and I believe people are called at a certain time for certain things.

00:11:37.760 And the only reason why I don't want to do it is because it's a nightmare.

00:11:42.180 It's a nightmare and it costs a lot.

00:11:45.600 You know, you know, it costs a lot.

00:11:49.760 But my faith is what gets me out of bed every day.

00:11:53.140 My faith is what I feel as though, no, you never gave up on me.

00:12:01.860 I'm not going to stop doing what you asked me to do.

00:12:05.360 And what you asked me to do was just stand in place.

00:12:10.580 Just stand and go, nope, not true.

00:12:13.580 Don't hate you.

00:12:14.740 Don't want to destroy you.

00:12:16.320 Not true.

00:12:16.940 Yeah, absolutely.

00:12:18.460 And really, Glenn, what you just said, I have heard countless people thanking me for my voice,

00:12:27.340 my speaking up, because it supports them in saying exactly what you just said.

00:12:32.300 And if you look at the saints through the ages, they are people who opposed, looked authority in the eye of their day and said,

00:12:43.620 no, we're going to stay faithful to Jesus Christ.

00:12:47.660 And most of the different controversies.

00:12:49.820 And most of them paid the ultimate price in the end.

00:12:54.900 They were not popular when they were alive.

00:12:57.600 But like you said, truth restores itself.

00:13:01.600 It has to.

00:13:02.740 Kipling wrote about the gods of the copybook headings.

00:13:06.240 It, with terror and slaughter, the truth will return, unfortunately, because everything starts to shake apart.

00:13:15.080 Talk to me a little bit about 61% of Catholics.

00:13:21.020 And I'd like to see who they're saying are Catholics.

00:13:25.260 I grew up Catholic.

00:13:26.680 I was Catholic for a long time.

00:13:28.720 No, I wasn't.

00:13:30.120 No, I wasn't.

00:13:32.040 But 61% of Catholics agree with gay marriage.

00:13:38.060 Talk about that a bit.

00:13:40.880 Well, you could talk about that a lot.

00:13:45.000 Part of that, and like you said, who are they talking to?

00:13:48.120 All of those questions come up.

00:13:50.520 But say, okay, take that at face value.

00:13:52.680 61% of Catholics believe that gay marriage is fine.

00:13:58.120 That means, that just highlights the poor job of catechesis the church has done in my lifetime and beyond.

00:14:09.060 That people haven't been taught what the church teaches.

00:14:13.540 Because if they really know what the church teaches, they're either going to say, I reject that, and I'm no longer Catholic.

00:14:22.220 So, they're not going to fit into this survey.

00:14:24.880 Or they're going to say, no.

00:14:28.080 These fundamental principles, and as you said, Glenn, I mean, there are all kinds of accusations of hatred and bigotry.

00:14:35.240 Phobias, it's simply saying, this is the truth of how God created us.

00:14:43.740 And the sexual questions all come down to very simple in Catholic teaching. 0.75

00:14:51.280 To be actively living a sexual relationship, it's a very narrow path.

00:14:59.340 And does the world or the Catholic community live it? 1.00

00:15:04.280 Not very well.

00:15:05.900 But it's a narrow path of one man, one woman, married for life, committed for life, and open to children.

00:15:14.040 Those are the basic components of then.

00:15:18.420 You are free to live a sexual relationship.

00:15:22.880 And from the Catholic Church's point of view, it's a beautiful expression of God working among us.

00:15:30.260 A man and a woman committed and open to children, open to life.

00:15:36.100 It's the only time you're partnering with the Creator.

00:15:38.900 It's the only thing.

00:15:40.100 And all, I mean, if you take, again, going back to Scripture, Christ says it's a narrow path.

00:15:47.200 And the world wants the wide, you know, 12-lane avenue saying, oh, you can get to God no matter what you do and however you want to live, Christ says it's a narrow path.

00:15:59.420 And I think that's a good expression of if you look at the sexual world we live in, which is oversexed, and the church has been, you know, beat up through my lifetime saying, oh, you're so down on sex.

00:16:14.080 But if you listen to Christ in that narrow path, then, you know, how many ways is that violated on a daily basis on the planet?

00:16:25.980 It's just humanity is way off track as far as all that.

00:16:29.940 So it's hard, I think, for most people, especially Americans, I think, because Americans will take it personally, where I think Europeans just don't care. 0.72

00:16:40.100 You know what I mean?

00:16:40.540 They don't care. 0.75

00:16:41.040 They've been, you know, France has been crazy for a very long time.

00:16:47.060 But I think where the change comes in America is Americans, at least used to, kind of lead with their heart.

00:16:59.920 And so they see two people, and it used to be that that's not a choice.

00:17:04.380 You were born that way.

00:17:05.900 And I know people who are gay and have struggled and didn't want to, you know what I mean?

00:17:13.680 They're like, I don't, you know, back a few years ago, it was pariah time.

00:17:20.880 You knew you couldn't live openly, etc.

00:17:24.760 Horrible, horrible.

00:17:26.320 So why would anyone other than a sadistic person choose that?

00:17:32.260 And so you have that compassion.

00:17:35.380 And so people are like, I don't want to judge you.

00:17:39.740 But there's a difference between the sacrament of marriage and me loving and having compassion to you.

00:17:47.660 Is that right?

00:17:48.440 Oh, absolutely.

00:17:50.120 And I think that you hear, I hear very often people go at me and say, oh, you're judgment, you're judging.

00:17:58.500 We don't judge each other.

00:18:00.660 I mean, that's in Scripture.

00:18:02.660 Ultimately, thankfully, that's up to God.

00:18:06.060 And God only knows what's truly in your heart, what's in my heart.

00:18:10.700 We're obligated, I believe, that faith teaches us to get our hearts aligned with God's truth as fully as we can.

00:18:19.600 And we pray that we do that to the best of our ability, relying heavily on God's mercy.

00:18:28.140 But to acknowledge that that is how we're supposed to live.

00:18:35.480 So any individual, I mean, we all have failings.

00:18:40.260 I'm a sinner.

00:18:41.100 We all have things that are a challenge for us to overcome.

00:18:45.640 That, I believe, is the journey.

00:18:47.660 Christ says, deny yourself, take up your cross, and follow me.

00:18:52.420 He says that.

00:18:53.300 That's directly from the gospel.

00:18:55.640 And we're not in a time where people want to deny themselves anything.

00:19:00.080 And even in the church, there's a tendency to avoid the cross.

00:19:04.700 And it's just like, skip one and two, and let's just follow Jesus.

00:19:08.660 It doesn't work that way.

00:19:10.260 Christ himself told us it doesn't work that way.

00:19:13.940 And out of the greatest compassion, I mean, as you alluded to, Glenn, thankfully, we've moved away from a time of persecution and of really denigrating people for whatever their sinful inclination may be.

00:19:31.980 Have we?

00:19:32.440 Or has the sin changed?

00:19:35.260 Well, yeah.

00:19:36.160 You're sinful. 0.71

00:19:37.360 I'm sinful. 0.98

00:19:39.220 Persecute these.

00:19:40.960 Well, that's true.

00:19:42.020 We haven't grown and said.

00:19:44.400 I mean, that's the one thing that kills me.

00:19:46.240 For people who have been persecuted for so long, people who have hid in the closets, lost jobs on whispers, to then cause people to lose their jobs on whispers is incredible to me.

00:20:03.300 I don't understand that disconnect.

00:20:05.540 You're absolutely right.

00:20:07.000 I stand corrected in that.

00:20:09.080 It's nuanced in that.

00:20:10.700 Yes.

00:20:10.880 That's the reality.

00:20:12.400 You're right.

00:20:12.860 When I was at the Vatican, I went to, I don't remember what the ceremony is, where they appoint the new cardinals.

00:20:21.820 Yeah.

00:20:22.120 Okay.

00:20:22.640 Called a consistory.

00:20:25.240 Okay.

00:20:26.540 And I was invited to attend.

00:20:28.900 And I was there.

00:20:30.260 And Pope Benedict was the Pope.

00:20:34.000 And I learned so much watching and attending some of the things.

00:20:40.460 And I don't mean any offense.

00:20:44.640 This is in my church.

00:20:45.680 I think this is in all of our churches.

00:20:46.980 So I'm not singling Catholics out.

00:20:49.580 But I stood there in a room with all these cardinals and all the new cardinals.

00:20:55.040 And it was like a, I don't know, an hors d'oeuvre.

00:21:00.700 I don't want to say a cocktail party, but it was like an hors d'oeuvre evening and everybody was, you know.

00:21:04.680 And I was, I was standing with a few cardinals that were just so pious and just, you could just, they were screaming Christ.

00:21:14.660 You know what I mean?

00:21:16.140 Humbled to be in their presence.

00:21:17.600 And we were talking and the guy who was, I don't want to identify him, but he was very high up and not a fan of the last Pope walked in.

00:21:31.380 He was surrounded by politicians and he came in and I swear to you, the room dropped 20 degrees.

00:21:39.160 And I looked at the guys and I said, who is that?

00:21:44.180 Just screamed evil.

00:21:46.140 Not bad.

00:21:47.100 It screamed evil to me.

00:21:50.560 And they laughed and said, oh, you can feel that?

00:21:55.760 And I said, yeah, what's that?

00:21:58.620 Said that's one of the leaders of the, they said there's this good versus evil kind of thing in the church.

00:22:06.240 And I think it's in all of our churches and they are in humanity.

00:22:10.340 Correct.

00:22:10.680 And they are, they are real forces trying to disrupt it.

00:22:17.280 So when you say you were standing, you know, I can't say you were standing against the Pope, but when you were speaking out, were you speaking out about the Pope or that evil fight that's in all of our churches?

00:22:31.200 Well, I think it's the evil fight is absolutely what I'm focused on.

00:22:35.820 And as I've said to others, to me, the best way I can support Pope Francis or whoever the Pope is at any given time, the job of the Pope is guarding that deposit of faith, of keeping strong in Christ.

00:22:53.380 I mean, just like St. Peter, who wavered, you know, denied, but ultimately became strong, returned to Rome and died in an upside down cross as his Lord had died on a cross.

00:23:08.860 And that is, to me, the greatest way to support Pope Francis is to stand for the truth.

00:23:16.260 Because as I've acknowledged talking to others, as you're mentioning, there are evil forces pushing and prodding and tempting all of us.

00:23:29.460 I mean, Pope Francis and myself, all of us are being bombarded by these forces to say, oh, we've got to change this.

00:23:38.100 And so the best support to Pope Francis is to say, no, this truth doesn't change.

00:23:45.100 I will tell you, if I'm Satan, I want every church to look like the United Methodist Church. 0.99

00:23:52.780 I want every church to abandon everything in the scripture and do what feels good and is popular today.

00:24:02.920 You know, I want poetry readings, not readings from the scriptures.

00:24:07.560 And I think the people who are awake are sensing for the first time, real for the first time in at least my life.

00:24:20.940 Evil is real.

00:24:22.780 It is real.

00:24:24.000 And it is, it is, it's ethereal.

00:24:28.320 It's just, it's connecting things together without phone calls.

00:24:32.960 It's just happening.

00:24:35.200 It seeps into everything.

00:24:38.220 Are we at a place in the church, not just yours, but church overall, are we in a place where we become Europe?

00:24:51.680 Or are we in a place where these may be the days that Christ has to return and correct?

00:25:05.280 Do we turn into Europe and just, there's no faith anywhere?

00:25:11.700 Well, I think we are at that crossroads.

00:25:15.040 I see more and more people being strengthened in their faith in the midst of all of this.

00:25:21.900 I mean, I travel a lot and talk to a lot of people.

00:25:26.000 Of course, if they're talking to me, it's in a certain category.

00:25:29.860 There's certainly some that would not let me in the room, you know.

00:25:33.260 But as I talk to people, I think people that are true believers, I think there's a strengthening there.

00:25:40.600 And really, Glenn, I would say it crosses the denominational lines.

00:25:44.360 Oh, it does.

00:25:44.680 I mean, denominations are not of Christ and are not of God. 0.99

00:25:49.360 I mean, I believe he established the church that is the Catholic church.

00:25:55.040 And that ultimately, following Jesus Christ will bring us to his truth.

00:26:00.920 Correct.

00:26:01.080 But as you will, I mean, those 61%, if that's accurate, that's a lot of Catholics who don't know what being Catholic really means.

00:26:12.080 And there are others that aren't Catholic, but know very strongly what this truth is, that Jesus Christ is the face of truth.

00:26:21.100 He's truth incarnate.

00:26:22.560 He's the one we look to.

00:26:23.800 That's why, as a Catholic priest and now bishop, the sacraments, especially the Eucharist, for me, he's there.

00:26:34.300 He's present.

00:26:35.980 We see Christ, and certainly veiled under bread, the consecrated bread.

00:26:41.920 But that's what he gave us.

00:26:43.780 That is our faith, that he's really present there.

00:26:46.560 And so, he is the one that has to be the principle of unity that brings us all together.

00:26:55.740 And I see that happening across – I mean, there are Catholics that aren't really being of Christ. 1.00

00:27:02.140 And there are others that are that aren't Catholic.

00:27:04.920 So, it's coming together.

00:27:06.320 The interesting thing about Christ is everybody focuses on his compassion.

00:27:10.760 And he was compassionate.

00:27:12.760 He hung out with the sinners, okay?

00:27:15.300 He didn't hate them.

00:27:17.480 He lived among them, okay?

00:27:19.860 Trying to bring them to the truth.

00:27:22.560 Where now, you're shunned, okay?

00:27:26.060 Christians do that. 0.91

00:27:27.700 Non-Christians do that. 1.00

00:27:29.260 We shun.

00:27:30.460 That's not what Christ did.

00:27:32.260 He lived among them.

00:27:34.220 He forgave them, and he taught them.

00:27:38.300 But what we only see now is this, that sweet Jesus.

00:27:44.220 And I think Jesus, if he were to return today, would look each of us in the eye deeply and scare the crap out of us.

00:27:54.500 And not because he's being rude or mean.

00:27:58.540 But because he loves us.

00:28:00.200 He's truth.

00:28:01.360 It's truth.

00:28:01.980 You know what the truth is.

00:28:04.840 You know it.

00:28:06.400 And you're not doing it.

00:28:07.860 Yeah.

00:28:08.000 I totally agree.

00:28:10.680 I mean, the sort of nice Christ, certainly.

00:28:15.980 I mean, he is beyond nice.

00:28:18.180 He is truth.

00:28:19.480 He is love.

00:28:20.740 He is joy.

00:28:22.060 He is all the goodness of creation in the person of the God-man that is Jesus Christ.

00:28:29.680 And if you listen to him in the gospel, he speaks very clearly.

00:28:36.380 I mean, he's always going at it with the scribes and Pharisees.

00:28:40.340 If you read through all the gospels, I mean, not just as he's approaching his crucifixion, but really throughout his ministry.

00:28:47.580 I mean, there are many times where they're ready to push him off the cliff.

00:28:50.400 But isn't that, isn't that, I mean, we've seen this with the Great Awakenings in America.

00:28:57.840 It doesn't come from within the church usually.

00:29:01.800 And if it does, those people are expelled.

00:29:05.400 And the church grows in its arrogance and its ways and justice becomes corrupt.

00:29:14.440 And somebody points it out and says, ah, this is not what we started out as.

00:29:19.400 And they're usually expelled or killed.

00:29:22.860 But the Great Awakenings always happen outside of the church, not inside.

00:29:29.000 Always outside.

00:29:30.420 The churches generally follow, you know.

00:29:34.120 The evangelical churches, you know, the Catholic Church has Rome to answer to. 0.86

00:29:39.740 But Rome owns all of that property and everything else.

00:29:43.280 The Catholic Church does.

00:29:44.580 Because the evangelicals, if you're a pastor at a church, you're on the hook for that.

00:29:51.700 And that's hard to say the truth when you're on the hook for that.

00:30:00.040 And can I moderate somewhat to make sure I don't lose everybody?

00:30:05.460 Yeah.

00:30:06.460 Yeah.

00:30:06.940 And I think that temptation to moderate is rampant and across the lines of any churches,

00:30:16.800 any gathering of people, because you're afraid of losing some of your base.

00:30:25.240 Clock, yeah.

00:30:25.400 And you had, there was, let me see if I can get this right.

00:30:29.820 I think there were 10,000, it was crazy, 10,000 people, yeah, 10,000 Christians signed a petition

00:30:38.480 thanking Pope Francis for removing you because they said you were a notoriously election denying,

00:30:45.420 QAnon spreading, Francis bashing, vaccine rejecting, LGBTQ hating, division sowing, fire breathing darling of right wing Twitter.

00:30:58.320 That your agenda went far beyond culture wars to full blown Christian nationalism, even appearing at the Stop the Steal MAGA event.

00:31:09.180 Wow.

00:31:10.760 Is that who you are?

00:31:12.960 No, not, not me.

00:31:14.760 And there, you know, there are a lot of things that, as you know, they have to write the narrative.

00:31:22.080 I did not appear at a Stop the Steal MAGA event.

00:31:26.180 I offered a prayer via video for the people gathered there.

00:31:33.000 And if you listen to that prayer, I didn't get political.

00:31:36.980 I just prayed for the nation and for the people gathered.

00:31:41.620 You know, it.

00:31:43.020 But you can't pray with those people.

00:31:44.320 I don't know what QAnon really is.

00:31:47.100 Some people love to throw that at me.

00:31:48.760 I don't know what it is.

00:31:50.180 I certainly don't embrace whatever it is because I don't know what it is.

00:31:54.220 Right.

00:31:55.000 And really, as you know better than I do, everything is politicized.

00:32:02.040 Everything.

00:32:02.560 And there's a lot of politics in the Catholic Church, in all the churches.

00:32:06.520 Politics is woven into everything.

00:32:09.060 So, yeah, when I speak up about the truth of the faith, that's all I care about, really.

00:32:18.100 Right.

00:32:18.200 I love this nation.

00:32:19.720 And I'm deeply grieved by what I see happening to this nation.

00:32:24.780 I hear you.

00:32:25.840 And I think we share that same grief.

00:32:28.660 We better wake up as a nation before it's too late, if it's not already too late.

00:32:34.840 But what's interesting to me is I think God will weep.

00:32:41.220 He will be saddened, just like I am with my children when they're going off doing something.

00:32:46.100 I'm like, don't do that.

00:32:47.260 It's going to hurt.

00:32:48.000 You're going to leave a mark.

00:32:48.760 Don't do that.

00:32:49.280 Please don't do that.

00:32:50.020 But these rights are His.

00:32:54.780 They're on loan to us.

00:32:56.480 And we're supposed to protect them.

00:32:58.020 And if we can't protect those rights, He'll find another group of people to do it.

00:33:03.240 And we will.

00:33:04.220 Oh, my gosh.

00:33:05.000 The answering to Him on that is enormous.

00:33:08.140 Yeah, absolutely.

00:33:09.300 So, my job isn't politics.

00:33:12.220 Thank goodness.

00:33:13.160 I wouldn't be any good at it.

00:33:14.940 But as a successor of the apostles, my mission is to try to stick with the truth.

00:33:25.640 I like the image of the plumb line of truth and just stay with that.

00:33:30.500 There are all kinds of forces pushing us every different direction, but you have to keep going

00:33:35.680 back to.

00:33:36.620 And that plumb line is written by Jesus Christ.

00:33:40.560 He is truth incarnate.

00:33:41.880 I believe that's why God sent His Son to show us someone we could talk to, we could relate

00:33:48.640 to, is still His divine Son, fully God and fully man, like us in all things but sin.

00:33:56.140 We've got to look to Him.

00:33:58.240 And that, I think, is what a lot of people, thankfully, are doing, returning to looking to

00:34:05.020 Him, renewing their faith.

00:34:06.940 Really, Glenn, as a Catholic bishop, I encourage you to keep your heart open to that faith that

00:34:16.660 you were, it sounds like you had it, raised in at one time.

00:34:21.520 Maybe not raised very well, but it's the truth that I will die for.

00:34:26.580 And I would die for your faith as well, because we have Christ in common and truth in common.

00:34:41.160 Let me go back to that statement that had everything rolled in.

00:34:45.660 I guess you were also worse than Hitler and everybody else. 1.00

00:34:50.320 Christian nationalism.

00:34:52.420 What's your understanding of Christian nationalism?

00:34:54.960 Honestly, Glenn, I don't have a lot of understanding of that, but I'm, I don't, Christian and nationalism,

00:35:04.380 I'm not sure how that fits together.

00:35:06.700 I'm not, I don't understand it.

00:35:09.540 But to me, you know, Jesus Christ, I mean, that's one of the blessings and, you know, the

00:35:17.460 goodness that I see in the Catholic Church.

00:35:20.480 It's, Catholic means universal.

00:35:22.160 It's not a nation of this world.

00:35:26.700 It's not a nation or a denomination.

00:35:30.080 It's a way of living the truth that the Son of God has revealed to us.

00:35:35.400 And so, just hearing that, it sounds like Christian nationalism, there's a lot that I would reject 1.00

00:35:43.820 in that concept.

00:35:45.360 I mean, I don't know what the concept is, but it doesn't sound right.

00:35:48.600 So, Catholics are being blamed for a lot of it, and especially, and I want to get into

00:35:53.840 this, the Latin Mass.

00:35:56.700 And it is, I can see people get wrapped up in it easily because, what's wrong with loving

00:36:05.520 your country?

00:36:07.180 What's wrong with living by Christ's principles and saying our country should do that?

00:36:13.580 That's different than what Christian nationalism really means.

00:36:18.280 And, you know, I would love to hear your thought on first and second citizenships.

00:36:29.400 My first citizenship is to the kingdom of God.

00:36:33.140 My second is to the United States.

00:36:35.180 I will do nothing to lose either passport, but if I have to lose one of them, I'm losing

00:36:42.800 my second passport, second citizenship.

00:36:45.980 And they have to fit together, but not by law.

00:36:50.780 You know, we don't fix America by a church coming in and saying, you're going to do this.

00:36:55.900 And it's by Christ living amongst us saying, don't do that.

00:37:01.300 Don't do that.

00:37:02.220 It's so much easier to live this way.

00:37:05.800 And it enriches everything.

00:37:08.960 Yeah.

00:37:09.280 Well, Glenn, you mentioned earlier that as Americans, we tend to act from the heart.

00:37:16.600 And I think that I agree with that.

00:37:18.300 And that is what, that's how I operate for me as a Catholic priest, the heart that I look

00:37:29.040 to is the sacred heart of Christ.

00:37:31.980 And that brings a whole different tone to everything we're trying to face.

00:37:38.000 For one thing, the arrogance that so easily creeps in to the human endeavor.

00:37:46.640 We think we have it right.

00:37:47.940 We've got all the answers.

00:37:49.420 We're the fix.

00:37:52.020 Jesus Christ is the fix. 0.93

00:37:54.640 It's his sacred heart that we all have to be moved to.

00:37:58.720 And that's really the ultimate work of any church is to bring people closer to Christ.

00:38:07.620 And to force that is antithetical to what it means to be Christian.

00:38:13.680 It's antichrist.

00:38:14.300 And you look, and that's what, through all of this, what's helped, you know, keep me more

00:38:19.800 or less sane.

00:38:20.640 I mean, obviously people think I'm insane, but I don't think I'm certifiable yet.

00:38:24.860 Stand in line.

00:38:25.320 But what keeps me sane is to look to Christ.

00:38:28.660 And that's what I tell people.

00:38:30.440 Look to Christ.

00:38:31.880 Look to his words in the gospel.

00:38:34.040 Look to his actions.

00:38:35.640 Look to what he does.

00:38:36.740 And he doesn't go on the attack, but he doesn't compromise the truth either.

00:38:44.360 When people walk away, I mean, one of the favorite passages for me as a kid growing up, my parents

00:38:51.180 used to quote to us St. Peter as some are leaving because of various reasons.

00:38:57.340 And so they say, oh, we can't take that, whether they're talking about the Eucharist or whatever

00:39:02.100 message of Christ people leave.

00:39:04.840 As he's standing there, truth incarnate is in their presence and people walk away because

00:39:10.660 they're free to.

00:39:11.820 And that's the human condition.

00:39:13.900 But what Peter's response is, Lord, to whom shall we go?

00:39:19.860 And there is nowhere to go except deeper into Christ.

00:39:24.660 So, yeah, I mean, as human beings, there are various aspects of the gospel that are challenging

00:39:32.400 that we may say if we were writing it, we'd have a different approach to what the truth

00:39:38.600 is.

00:39:39.380 But part of it is that humble submission to what the truth is.

00:39:45.200 And I really believe that has to be guided, it's heart-driven ultimately.

00:39:52.000 All the intellect in the world, I mean, I love to quote St. Thomas Aquinas, one of the

00:39:58.120 greatest theologians of all time.

00:40:00.520 And he said, it's all straw.

00:40:02.620 What he's written, the Summa Theologica, is straw compared to the God that he's trying

00:40:09.860 to point to.

00:40:10.660 And I think it's always that beyond us reality that God calls us and calls us to share in.

00:40:19.040 I mean, the Catholic teaching, the code of Canada law, I studied Canada law of the Catholic

00:40:24.700 Church, and the last canon says it's all about the salvation of souls.

00:40:30.940 I think in many ways, we've forgotten that.

00:40:33.740 And I've actually been ridiculed for saying, you know, you're talking about the salvation

00:40:38.000 of souls, we've got to worry about all these social ills and all these problems, really.

00:40:43.600 They fix themselves when you save a soul.

00:40:46.460 Absolutely.

00:40:47.220 If we get things aligned to the salvation of every soul and the treasuring of every child

00:40:53.180 of God as God treasures us, then, you know, the ills and the wars and the violence and the

00:41:00.740 bigotries, all of it begins to fall away.

00:41:03.180 I mean, that's what Christ's kingdom is preaching.

00:41:07.300 And it's amazing to me how you fight against it.

00:41:12.400 I mean, I'm a recovering alcoholic, screwed up my life six ways to Sunday, and had a real

00:41:20.360 hard time holding on to my sobriety.

00:41:22.620 And I remember being on my knees, just begging, begging, begging, begging, I can't do it.

00:41:29.760 I can't do it.

00:41:31.980 And once I accepted the atonement, once I had and I actually accepted that gift and lived

00:41:45.640 a free man again from all my sins, all my other problems went away.

00:41:53.600 I didn't, I didn't, I didn't have a desire to drink.

00:41:58.420 My friendships changed.

00:42:00.500 My life completely changed.

00:42:02.900 My, my job, it is in some ways my job.

00:42:06.500 I, I don't know how, I don't think I could have done it without the atonement of Jesus

00:42:12.540 Christ.

00:42:13.140 I, I, because you, that gift is so powerful that not only do I not want to, cause I can

00:42:23.120 never repay him, but I owe him for my life.

00:42:26.940 Not only do I not want to, I don't want to break that.

00:42:30.600 I also don't have a desire to, you know, it's such a great gift.

00:42:34.840 It makes it so easy to go, nope, can't do that.

00:42:41.560 Yeah.

00:42:41.840 You need to think about it.

00:42:42.960 Nope.

00:42:44.500 I mean, it's, it's, it solves everything.

00:42:47.560 It gives you that strength.

00:42:49.060 And really, Glenn, I think as through the years with all the controversies, COVID and all the,

00:42:54.880 the, the political division in the country and all the protests, I've often thought, I

00:43:01.280 mean, looking at, you know, some crowd that's all, you know, inflamed about one thing or

00:43:06.720 another, I wonder, and it, it, it probably sounds sort of pietistic, but I mean it very

00:43:16.920 deeply.

00:43:17.380 I wonder how many people in whatever this situation is really believe that they are loved by God

00:43:28.860 in unimaginable ways.

00:43:31.300 You can't.

00:43:31.860 I truly think that that's a big part of our problem.

00:43:34.840 It is.

00:43:35.180 Young people that take their lives or just in desperate desolation.

00:43:40.160 Yes.

00:43:40.860 They don't know God's love and it's not some, you know, Hallmark card.

00:43:46.800 It's deep and sacrificial and as gutsy as anything in the world.

00:43:52.420 I didn't understand it until I was 35.

00:43:55.220 It's, it's, it's a mature kind of love.

00:43:59.500 And when you unlock that, then life makes sense.

00:44:04.840 And I, I celebrate people who don't need the atonement as much as I did, uh, or as, you

00:44:11.520 know, went lost for so long, but it is, it is the re it is the only reason.

00:44:20.860 And when you are being told, you'll never make it without me, my party, my money, my philosophy,

00:44:30.840 whatever it is, you have every earmark of Satan right there in that conversation.

00:44:41.880 Because Christ says, you only need me.

00:44:45.300 You're perfect.

00:44:46.700 You're great.

00:44:47.680 Just forget your sins, bring them to me.

00:44:51.340 We'll work it out.

00:44:53.260 You can do anything.

00:44:54.700 You walk on water.

00:44:56.640 You just keep your eyes on me.

00:44:59.320 With God, all things are possible.

00:45:01.020 Correct.

00:45:02.060 That's, that's enfleshed.

00:45:03.780 Right.

00:45:03.980 And that's why I think we, we have, you cannot be so embittered and so hopeless and, uh, uh,

00:45:17.540 and so angry and vengeful if you know who God is.

00:45:23.160 You can't.

00:45:24.140 Or at least the God of Judeo-Christian understanding.

00:45:27.160 Yep.

00:45:27.280 Absolutely.

00:45:30.200 Um, can we just, I want to just talk politics for just a second.

00:45:35.180 Um, John F. Kennedy was the first Catholic and everybody said he'd answer to the Pope and

00:45:46.580 he didn't answer to the Pope and he wasn't the perfect man by any stretch of the imagination.

00:45:51.540 But generally speaking, I think he did a lot of good for Catholics image wise, et cetera,

00:45:57.880 et cetera.

00:46:00.060 And I have these people in my faith that I, I look at as their politicians and I see that

00:46:06.000 they're for planned parenthood.

00:46:08.760 And I'm like, well, I know what my faith teaches.

00:46:12.600 How are you a member in good standing?

00:46:16.100 You have Nancy Pelosi.

00:46:19.320 Uh, you, you have the second Catholic president.

00:46:24.280 How do you think they're doing in representing the church?

00:46:28.680 Well, because they're very, they're not, it's not like they're subtle on it.

00:46:31.780 Yeah.

00:46:32.020 They are good Catholics.

00:46:34.380 I'll go back to the 61%. 0.99

00:46:36.820 They are smack in the middle of that 61% that are poorly catechized.

00:46:43.420 It's really that they, and I, I really think that that, I mean, not to, you know, we all

00:46:48.200 have a responsibility to seek the truth.

00:46:51.200 Um, so there's, there's a responsibility there, but I've heard quotes from Nancy Pelosi

00:46:57.020 say, well, the nuns taught me this.

00:46:59.320 She may, that may be very honest, but if they've taught her that what she's doing is

00:47:06.680 being a faithful Catholic, she was poorly catechized.

00:47:10.560 She didn't get the truth of the Catholic faith.

00:47:13.200 She got the, I mean, I'm 65.

00:47:14.960 So I was a kid during the turmoil of 50 years ago, right after the Vatican, second Vatican

00:47:20.980 council.

00:47:21.780 And it was very similar times.

00:47:24.440 I mean, very similar questions bouncing around.

00:47:27.920 And, you know, if, if that's when she was catechized, she didn't get the, the deposit of faith.

00:47:34.820 She got a distorted sort of updated, you know, seventies, eighties version that left out a lot

00:47:43.880 of the challenge and a lot of the beauty and a lot of the, the power of the Catholic faith.

00:47:49.760 Um, let's talk about the, the, uh, Latin mass.

00:47:56.700 If I, if I'm not mistaken, the Pope doesn't want the Latin mass and well, I don't want the

00:48:03.780 Latin mass cause I don't speak Latin, but if I wanted to go to a Latin mass, it'd be like,

00:48:09.020 I want to go to a Spanish language mass, you know, and I know it's different tradition,

00:48:14.360 but what's the problem with the Latin mass?

00:48:18.720 Well, that's a complicated question, but I think, um, there is a push against the Latin

00:48:25.220 mass.

00:48:27.720 One understanding that I have is because there's a push against the truth.

00:48:36.620 There's a push against the, the supernatural elements that are there.

00:48:42.140 I mean, they're spoken of as backwards and we have to update and, but understanding the

00:48:47.800 mass really, and I'm not, I'm certainly not an expert in the Latin mass.

00:48:54.600 That door was locked until a few years ago for me.

00:48:58.960 I'm, I just celebrated a Latin mass yesterday.

00:49:01.980 And if you were there, you'd say, this guy's still got a lot to learn.

00:49:07.120 I mean, it's, I have to look at, okay, what do I do next?

00:49:10.200 It's very different from the Novus Ordo.

00:49:13.520 Um, the, but it's the same, it's the same.

00:49:16.340 You're still blessing the Eucharist.

00:49:18.300 Yeah.

00:49:18.680 The consecration.

00:49:20.000 Yeah.

00:49:20.080 That's right.

00:49:20.760 That you zeroed in on the heart of it.

00:49:23.960 And that's the reason, I mean, one of the problems that the Vatican had with me was that

00:49:30.880 I didn't implement tradition as custodias.

00:49:34.400 And I said, which this document that said, kill the Latin mass, which a lot of bishops

00:49:40.740 haven't, but you know, that was just one thing against me.

00:49:44.080 I mean, you know, I know I read the list. 1.00

00:49:47.300 You're a horrible human. 0.97

00:49:48.060 And, but the, the Latin mass and the Novus Ordo, all the different forms of the mass 0.99

00:49:56.960 in whatever language, as long as bread and wine are brought to that altar and words of

00:50:02.960 consecration are said, transubstantiation is the classic word in the Catholic faith.

00:50:08.740 We believe that bread and wine becomes the body and blood, soul and divinity of Jesus

00:50:16.460 Christ, the incarnate son of God that you can read about in the gospel in whatever passage

00:50:22.400 that's him.

00:50:23.800 He's there.

00:50:25.100 He died and he rose and his, his risen body is there on the altar, body and blood, soul

00:50:33.100 and divinity. 0.96

00:50:33.700 I know that many people say, ah, that's ridiculous. 0.97

00:50:36.720 What are you talking about? 0.97

00:50:37.740 That is our Catholic faith.

00:50:40.400 The point of whatever form of the mass, and this is what I've tried to push as Bishop of

00:50:46.960 Tyler and now just as Bishop, let's focus on him.

00:50:54.560 He comes there in any valid form of the mass and the, the Novus Ordo mass is valid.

00:51:01.580 The Latin mass is valid.

00:51:02.880 There are many different, there are like 22 different rites in the Catholic church.

00:51:07.260 And I'm no expert.

00:51:08.820 I'm not well versed in most of those, but when transubstantiation happens, we need to bow.

00:51:19.180 We need to fall to our knees.

00:51:21.820 We need to know that the Lord of the universe is there on that altar or that simple, whatever

00:51:28.600 it is, the grandest marble altar or the simplest wooden, you know, just recently erected altar.

00:51:35.860 It, that is Jesus Christ.

00:51:39.200 And so to me, the Latin mass is an ancient power that frankly, powers that be in the world today

00:51:49.380 are pushing against because it's too powerful.

00:51:52.500 It's too connected to the supernatural.

00:51:56.760 Every mass is and should be deeply because Christ shows up.

00:52:02.680 The son of, if you really believe that, that bread and wine become his body and blood, soul

00:52:08.180 and divinity, then reverence, respect, looking at everything, focusing on him.

00:52:15.340 And that's what the Latin mass does. 0.84

00:52:17.180 Frankly, I believe it, and I don't claim to know all the answers, but my impression is

00:52:24.640 we've got to get rid of the Latin mass because it speaks of a supernatural power that's interfering 1.00

00:52:34.520 with our agenda.

00:52:36.920 To me, that's what it comes down to.

00:52:38.860 It, it, there's a supernatural power there.

00:52:43.280 I mean, I've talked to, um, priests that are exorcists and they will tell you there is

00:52:51.580 a, I mean, every mass, I mean, it's Christ, Christ is that power, but the, the Latin mass

00:52:57.900 brings that power in a clearer way than, you know, the Novus Ordo just because it focuses

00:53:06.140 so clearly on Christ.

00:53:08.640 Really, it's not about language.

00:53:10.400 I mean, language is human intervention.

00:53:13.700 I mean, if you look at Pentecost, every language in the world is spoken.

00:53:17.360 So it's not that the words are in Latin.

00:53:19.560 It is that the, the words that are spoken with an exception of the blessing of the Eucharist,

00:53:25.380 right, uh, are, are, are different that they are, they are more channeled.

00:53:34.260 Yeah.

00:53:34.940 Right.

00:53:35.400 Is that right?

00:53:35.820 And it's not just the words, but the whole, um, I guess the structure, the best word I have

00:53:41.900 is supernatural.

00:53:43.340 The Latin mass points to a supernatural truth that every mass points to, but it points more

00:53:50.480 clearly the way I've described.

00:53:52.300 And like I said, I'm no expert, I'm just learning, um, about the Latin mass because

00:53:57.900 it wasn't, it wasn't even really mentioned when I was ordained a priest in 1985, but as

00:54:04.500 a bishop, I came to know about it through younger priests that were well-versed in it.

00:54:08.640 I see a beauty there.

00:54:10.980 And the way I've described the Christ is the message.

00:54:17.040 He is the truth.

00:54:18.320 He is what it's all about.

00:54:20.040 He is the song, you could say.

00:54:23.240 The Latin mass is a full blown symphony orchestra saying gloriously, the Lord is here.

00:54:31.300 The Novus Ordo is a simple kind of plinked out on the piano.

00:54:35.820 It's the same melody.

00:54:37.140 It's the same Christ in the same truth, but it's not a robust supernatural celebration of

00:54:45.400 that truth that the Latin mass can be.

00:54:48.440 And it can be, you know, I mean, people tend to look at, oh, you know, there was some sort

00:54:53.440 of perfect world before Vatican II.

00:54:56.660 It wasn't.

00:54:57.560 I mean, there were, there was a tendency in humanity with anything, familiarity breeds

00:55:04.460 contempt.

00:55:05.340 And the Latin mass was so familiar that priests would, you know, see how quickly they could

00:55:11.520 get through it and, you know, how quickly they could go through all the motions and losing,

00:55:18.280 you know, losing the message, the supernatural message.

00:55:21.420 So to look back and say, oh, it was perfect in 1950, I was born in 1958, it wasn't.

00:55:28.520 No.

00:55:28.880 But.

00:55:29.400 The world's never been perfect.

00:55:30.360 It never will be.

00:55:31.660 There is a value there that is rooted in a respect for the supernatural that, frankly,

00:55:41.140 we've lost a lot.

00:55:42.100 I mean, those 61%, I keep going back to that.

00:55:44.920 I would wager that if that's accurate, most of those people would not be appreciating or

00:55:54.160 participating in the Latin mass.

00:55:56.740 Because what I've seen, especially young families, young people, searching for truth, and they

00:56:03.620 land at the Latin mass because it speaks to their yearning for the sacred, for the supernatural,

00:56:10.600 for something that the mass, it's not just another gathering.

00:56:14.020 It's not just another gathering of a few people, children of God in whatever setting.

00:56:21.140 It's something sacred, something different.

00:56:24.460 And I think a lot of young people are looking for that difference in a life where, you know,

00:56:29.540 the world presents everything on a platter.

00:56:32.540 I mean, we've got all the technology, all the pleasure possibilities, everything.

00:56:36.700 And people are cutting through that and saying, I want something that brings me to the sacred

00:56:43.700 nature of who I am.

00:56:45.420 And that's what the natural, the Latin mass does for people. 0.99

00:56:49.280 There is nothing sacred anymore.

00:56:53.960 Nothing.

00:56:54.240 And without that, everything is worthless.

00:56:58.920 I take my daughters on a father-daughter date every year.

00:57:06.820 And, you know, when they were very young, we lived near New York City.

00:57:10.900 And so I would take them and I would ask them, do you want me to wear a tie?

00:57:16.580 Do you want me to wear a tux?

00:57:17.960 What do you want?

00:57:18.420 Well, when they were little kids, daddy in a tux and them in their, you know, special dress.

00:57:23.500 So every year we, we still do that.

00:57:26.300 And I was sitting in a place in New York City and this couple came up and they were just in

00:57:35.280 a tie and he was just in tie.

00:57:38.460 She was just in a nice dress and they tapped us on the shoulder and they said, thank you.

00:57:45.140 And I said, for what?

00:57:48.860 They said, we fly out from Los Angeles once a year, just so we don't feel out of place

00:57:55.460 in a tie and a jacket.

00:57:59.100 There is a need for that. 0.99

00:58:04.420 And, you know, that's a stupid little story compared to sacredness of there. 0.99

00:58:09.840 There has to be the sacred and it is what people are crying out for. 1.00

00:58:16.180 They're not crying out for another band on the altar.

00:58:20.220 They're crying out for a supernatural experience that connects them with something that is eternal.

00:58:28.880 Yeah.

00:58:29.380 And really, Glenn, I would share just quickly a little story just from last night.

00:58:33.080 I'm dressed exactly as I am and sort of the bishop's uniform, the clerical collar with

00:58:39.360 the pectoral cross.

00:58:41.220 And a woman comes up and says, are you a Catholic priest?

00:58:45.120 I said, yeah, I'm a bishop.

00:58:46.380 And she said, it's the first time I've seen a Catholic priest in out in public.

00:58:52.780 She was, you know, had Catholic roots, but, you know, was definitely struggling there in

00:58:57.740 some ways.

00:58:58.300 But, you know, it's sort of like the nuns and habits that has an impact.

00:59:05.260 And it says there's something special here, whether it's the greatest nun or the greatest

00:59:10.300 priest or bishop or not.

00:59:12.120 But it speaks to that that hunger for something sacred.

00:59:16.640 And I think we have just as a society, we've lost a lot of that.

00:59:20.280 I mean, people go to mass dressed like they're going to the mall or to anything else.

00:59:25.500 And I think that has diminished us because it all begins to speak to our sacredness.

00:59:33.920 And, I mean, like with your daughters, to let them know they're special and you love

00:59:40.220 them.

00:59:40.640 Right.

00:59:40.880 And this is a special moment.

00:59:43.520 It's a special moment.

00:59:44.620 Let me, let me take you to, gosh, where was it?

00:59:51.400 It was, oh, I want to take you to someplace that I don't, and I don't say this for sensationalism.

01:00:02.620 I have a lot of really deep Catholic friends.

01:00:07.220 And, and my family on my wife's side, especially they're Italian and they are very Catholic.

01:00:16.140 They don't like this Pope, but he's the Pope.

01:00:20.080 And then I have some other Catholic friends who are also very deeply Catholic, who are very

01:00:28.160 concerned that these are the people who follow Fatima and things like that.

01:00:34.500 And they are saying to me, Glenn, this, this, this is, this is the time.

01:00:44.700 If that Pope goes to Russia, we, you know, you pack up your bags.

01:00:51.000 Can you speak to any of that?

01:00:53.940 Well, there is a lot of that conversation out there in the Catholic world.

01:00:57.680 And I presume just in the world, is this the end of time and all of that?

01:01:04.280 Again, I go to Jesus.

01:01:07.580 What does he say?

01:01:09.100 Only the father knows.

01:01:11.080 And so to me that the answer is there through the ages.

01:01:14.140 I mean, and there've been, as I'm sure you've studied in history, there've been moments when

01:01:18.200 the millennials and the, you know, there've been people through the ages saying, this is

01:01:22.920 it.

01:01:23.260 If you didn't say that, except for, you know, prophecy not being fulfilled.

01:01:27.800 If you didn't say that in the 1930s and 40s and you were in Germany, I don't know what you 0.57

01:01:33.240 were thinking because that looked like hell on earth, literally.

01:01:37.560 The best answer that I've heard, I heard a monk a couple of years ago, just at a conference,

01:01:42.500 someone asked the question, is this the end of the world?

01:01:45.720 And the monk's answer was, always remember, you know, Jesus answer, only the father knows

01:01:54.100 the end of the world.

01:01:56.840 But it could be the end of your world.

01:01:59.240 So are you ready for that?

01:02:01.140 And to me, that's what it comes down to.

01:02:02.940 I mean, 65 years old, many people don't live beyond 65, even in, you know, modern times.

01:02:10.840 I think we have to ask ourselves, am I doing my best to live the truth?

01:02:16.820 Am I ready to meet my maker?

01:02:19.960 Of course, even saying those words, there's a whole, you know, throng of humanity that seems

01:02:27.820 to want to be the dominant throng, there is no maker.

01:02:32.900 You know, we don't believe in God.

01:02:35.000 What an empty world that is.

01:02:38.240 But a lot of people, I mean, my bias is that there are very few real atheists in the world.

01:02:45.820 I think there are a lot of agnostics, a lot of people who don't like what they hear of

01:02:50.100 God and don't like religion and everything.

01:02:52.100 But to me, it's antithetical to our humanity to not believe in God is not to believe in

01:03:00.720 ourselves.

01:03:02.160 And to me, that leaves us in a very empty world that I don't want any part of.

01:03:07.240 And I don't believe is the world.

01:03:09.480 But I think that we have to keep reminding ourselves of what, you know, what is important, what is

01:03:21.340 valuable, and keep looking to that and trust that God is love.

01:03:29.760 I mean, John's gospel says it so beautifully.

01:03:32.720 God is love.

01:03:34.200 Love is of God.

01:03:35.220 And Jesus Christ, we believe, is love incarnate.

01:03:40.020 And so love is real.

01:03:42.660 And I'm sure with, you know, you think of your love for your daughters, your wife, real love

01:03:48.500 gives us that glimpse of there has to be God.

01:03:53.500 Because even human love, with all its imperfections, it couldn't exist without the ultimate love.

01:04:02.700 Can I ask you, because I think you believe, you have a name for it.

01:04:08.480 I didn't know it had a name.

01:04:11.040 I believe the Big Bang is absolutely possible.

01:04:14.500 But what caused the Big Bang?

01:04:16.800 What happened before?

01:04:18.740 I believe in dinosaurs.

01:04:20.720 I believe in possibility, not of evolution, as Darwin talked about it.

01:04:29.200 But I don't think, I don't think he, I don't know how he creates.

01:04:33.460 So whether he went, there's a man, you know, or he created some other way.

01:04:40.640 It's not essential to my salvation.

01:04:42.840 I will probably never live long enough to know.

01:04:46.920 I'll ask him when I get there.

01:04:50.340 What is the name of that philosophy?

01:04:52.760 Because do you hold that philosophy that that's, that could be the way God created, but we don't know.

01:04:58.780 That's what I understand that the Catholic Church teaches ultimately is that the point of revelation,

01:05:06.480 what God has revealed to us is he is the author of creation.

01:05:12.240 You know, and one of the basic tenets of the Catholic faith that I've always appreciated is

01:05:17.600 the Catholic faith says, God has revealed to us what we need to know for salvation.

01:05:24.720 There's a lot he hasn't revealed.

01:05:27.140 And I think this push, I love science.

01:05:29.080 I always have.

01:05:29.740 I'm just, as a kid, I've always loved science and technology and all of that.

01:05:34.440 But I think there's a real push to get it all figured out, us.

01:05:39.160 And it ain't gonna happen.

01:05:41.400 You know, you always end up with the greatest scientific discoveries.

01:05:45.580 They end up with, we don't know.

01:05:48.660 How does life really come to be?

01:05:51.700 We know lots of the mechanisms, but there's a lot we don't know.

01:05:56.000 And I think that that just, with the questions you're raising, we don't know how God did it,

01:06:03.160 but God did it.

01:06:04.580 And he is the author.

01:06:06.380 We're not the author of ourselves.

01:06:08.620 And it's not just some happenstance of, you know, these molecules having to fall together.

01:06:13.880 That's, you know, that's harder to believe.

01:06:16.580 I know.

01:06:17.140 In the creation.

01:06:17.700 I mean, it's like, oh, it just all, you know, fell into place.

01:06:21.720 That doesn't make sense.

01:06:22.700 But I think that you have to, I mean, I think the simple answer is, however God did it, he

01:06:32.200 did it.

01:06:33.040 And so we look to him as our creator.

01:06:35.700 We're created in his image and likeness.

01:06:38.500 That's what makes humanity special, significant.

01:06:43.280 Children of God, called to be children of God.

01:06:45.980 We still have the free will to reject that.

01:06:48.220 And many do, at least in one degree or another.

01:06:51.980 But we, by our very nature, are called to return to the Father.

01:06:59.140 And I think that's a lot of what's broken in the world is there's so many blocks to that

01:07:03.760 and so many people saying there is no Father.

01:07:06.320 It's like, we're created in the image and likeness of God.

01:07:10.260 That's what Revelation teaches us.

01:07:13.200 If there is no God, then what is our image and likeness?

01:07:17.520 What are we?

01:07:18.780 Even if you don't fully go down the path, like I have a problem with, if they were just called

01:07:28.040 Moe's Ten Tips for Life, the Ten Commandments wouldn't be controversial.

01:07:33.960 I am the God that freed you from slavery, okay?

01:07:41.640 Remember that and don't put any other God before me.

01:07:45.420 So this whatever freed me from slavery.

01:07:49.900 His teachings free me from slavery.

01:07:54.340 Don't have any other gods.

01:07:55.700 We have so many other gods.

01:07:57.280 Everything we have is a God.

01:07:58.760 I think that idolatry is really, you could say that's the problem.

01:08:06.300 We are an idolatrous generation in many different ways, within the church, without the church.

01:08:13.620 I mean, all kinds of ways that idolatry, because putting something before God, whether it's position

01:08:21.960 or wealth or power or whatever, it can be very subtle or it can be very flagrant, but I think

01:08:28.840 that's, you know, again, looking to the Ten Commandments, there's tremendous challenge

01:08:34.280 and tremendous wisdom there.

01:08:36.860 Thou shall not have strange gods before me.

01:08:39.920 What are our strange gods?

01:08:41.820 And there's a long list.

01:08:43.000 It's a long, long list.

01:08:44.740 I just have to find this.

01:08:46.120 One more thing here.

01:08:47.680 Okay.

01:08:47.960 Just to repeat, notoriously election denying, QAnon spreading, Francis bashing, vaccine 1.00

01:08:57.120 rejecting.

01:08:57.500 You would have to repeat this.

01:08:58.960 Yeah.

01:08:59.480 Division sowing, fire breathing, darling of the right wing, Twitter agendas far beyond.

01:09:04.360 He appeared at Stop the Steal Magna, a MAGA event.

01:09:08.000 I cannot allow you to leave without adding another one of those to your list.

01:09:15.800 Would you close out with a prayer?

01:09:18.400 Sure.

01:09:20.000 And in the Father, and in the Son, and in the Holy Spirit, amen.

01:09:25.180 Almighty God, we thank you for the truth that you have revealed to us, ultimately through

01:09:30.100 your Son, Jesus Christ.

01:09:32.220 We thank you for the saints that have witnessed to this truth through the ages, for the woman

01:09:37.380 chosen to be the mother of your Son, the Immaculate Virgin Mary, who points us always

01:09:43.080 to her Son, and simply says, do what He tells you.

01:09:46.560 We give thanks for all of these blessings, Lord, in the midst of challenge and confusion

01:09:51.320 and too much darkness.

01:09:53.460 Help us to see the light of your Son, and may He guide us always as your children.

01:09:59.440 And we ask this in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

01:10:03.080 Amen.

01:10:03.280 Amen.

01:10:03.380 Now you can add that you prayed with that Hitler-loving zealot, Glenn Beck.

01:10:09.960 Thank you.

01:10:10.840 Thank you.

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The Glenn Beck Program - January 06, 2024

Ep 205 ｜ Texas Bishop Removed by Pope Francis Sets the Record Straight ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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