The Glenn Beck Program - Ep 210 ｜ Tucker Carlson Takes On Critics of His Interview with Putin

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00:00:34.460 Tucker Carlson just did something that no other Western journalist in the world has either been willing or able to do in a very long time.

00:00:43.260 He traveled to Moscow to speak to Russian President Vladimir Putin.

00:00:48.280 And right on track, cue the collective outrage.

00:00:53.060 Tucker Carlson is dangerous. He's a Putin lover.

00:00:55.980 Will they ban him from coming home?

00:00:58.540 Is the EU sanctioning him?

00:01:01.620 The news was actually kind of hilarious, and it still is.

00:01:05.280 Take any war in history, I don't care with whom or which leader, and any journalist worth their salt,

00:01:11.680 they'd be chomping at the bit to interview the leaders on both sides.

00:01:16.380 But not this one.

00:01:18.180 Why?

00:01:18.580 There's been something that the media has now forgotten.

00:01:28.600 Maybe the governments have never known it.

00:01:32.120 But it is that open and free dialogue is the foundation for free society.

00:01:36.920 It is also the foundation that peace can be built upon.

00:01:41.780 Talk with everyone.

00:01:44.240 You don't have to trust them, even like them.

00:01:47.020 But talk to them.

00:01:48.660 Understand where they're coming from.

00:01:51.200 It's all very basic.

00:01:52.640 And if anyone currently is criticizing Tucker for interviewing a person who is the leader of the country,

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00:02:08.120 What did you mean by showing us the subway?

00:02:12.200 What did you mean by that?

00:02:13.960 What have you learned?

00:02:15.440 And what does it mean all going forward?

00:02:18.080 That's what we're going to do.

00:02:19.600 We're going to ask him right now for his first interview back from Russia directly to Americans.

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00:05:01.880 Tucker, welcome.

00:05:11.220 How are you?

00:05:12.260 Hey, Glenn.

00:05:13.280 I'm great.

00:05:14.180 I get in late last night.

00:05:15.320 I haven't had a haircut, as you can see.

00:05:17.100 So pardon my appearance.

00:05:18.980 But I'm grateful that you asked me.

00:05:21.100 Thanks.

00:05:21.600 Well, first of all, I just want to know, I mean, is this going to be a talk show or are we going to have a serious conversation?

00:05:28.920 Because I'd like to start with the history of the Beck family starting at 800 BCE.

00:05:34.840 So what did you make of that?

00:05:41.820 Well, I was enraged because I thought, you know, I didn't go into the interview feeling like I had to, you know, posture morally.

00:05:50.140 You know, I took a look at the last interview you did with a Western journalist and the entire interview was the reporter from some dumb news outlet being like, I'm a good person.

00:05:58.700 You're a bad person.

00:05:59.540 You know, and I'm not interested in proving I'm a good person.

00:06:02.900 People can assess.

00:06:03.660 God can assess.

00:06:04.380 You know, I just wanted information.

00:06:06.380 But I was infuriated because I thought he was filibustering.

00:06:09.260 I asked him a really pretty straightforward, the obvious question, which is, why did you do this?

00:06:13.700 Why did you send troops into eastern Ukraine?

00:06:15.120 And he goes on this long answer.

00:06:18.160 And so I interrupted him a couple of times.

00:06:19.460 I tried to.

00:06:20.260 He got very snippy.

00:06:21.640 And then I realized, no, this is the answer.

00:06:24.320 And, you know, he just thinks differently.

00:06:26.160 I've never met him before.

00:06:27.480 So wait, wait, wait, wait.

00:06:28.400 So I don't understand.

00:06:30.240 I don't understand the story because I had the same question you did at the very end.

00:06:34.360 So are you saying ancestral homelands should be given back to right?

00:06:39.680 Because where does that end?

00:06:41.040 Well, I don't believe in that anywhere.

00:06:44.140 Yeah.

00:06:44.300 Okay.

00:06:44.680 Right.

00:06:44.920 Neither do I.

00:06:45.640 I'm not giving my house back to the Passamaquoddy.

00:06:47.700 Okay.

00:06:47.900 I'm sorry.

00:06:48.460 I feel sorry for people who are displaced.

00:06:50.500 But I, you know, there has to be a statute of limitations.

00:06:53.880 So I thought it was a silly argument to make.

00:06:56.200 I'm not sure he was making an argument.

00:06:57.960 And moreover, I'm not sure I understand exactly what he was doing.

00:07:00.940 So I shouldn't pretend that I do.

00:07:02.940 There's a lot about that interview that I don't really understand.

00:07:05.160 I don't think he was very effective if his goal was to win a Western audience to his perspective.

00:07:11.420 It didn't make me more pro-Putin.

00:07:13.440 No.

00:07:13.600 Not that I was.

00:07:14.980 And by the way, I should just say at the outset, I've been accused of being pro-Putin and I'm not.

00:07:19.000 But if I was, that's okay too.

00:07:20.980 Right.

00:07:21.180 Because I'm an adult man and an American citizen.

00:07:23.900 I can like or dislike anyone I want.

00:07:25.420 I can have any opinion I want.

00:07:26.680 I'm not ashamed of it.

00:07:27.960 And the idea that like a small number of people in D.C. get to decide what I believe is not something I accept.

00:07:36.040 So I reserve the right to like anybody.

00:07:38.640 Right.

00:07:38.920 Period.

00:07:39.100 And I mean, you like me.

00:07:41.320 It can't go downhill more than that.

00:07:44.760 I want to get to that here in a second.

00:07:47.120 But first, you had a tough time.

00:07:51.120 The first time you tried to interview Putin, the NSA was involved.

00:07:58.020 Yeah.

00:07:58.220 They read my text messages and leaked them to the New York Times.

00:08:01.140 How do you know?

00:08:01.880 And I'm not guessing, but.

00:08:02.580 Okay.

00:08:02.980 How do you know?

00:08:03.840 Well, because someone who worked there warned me through a very close, very close friend of mine.

00:08:10.740 And I won't bore you with the whole details, but I flipped to Washington to meet the person at his request.

00:08:14.900 I couldn't believe this.

00:08:16.720 It scared me.

00:08:17.980 I immediately called a U.S. senator.

00:08:19.800 I don't know very many U.S. senators well, but there's one I thought seemed kind of trustworthy.

00:08:24.080 So I said, I just want to get us on the record.

00:08:25.340 This has happened.

00:08:26.920 And then members of Congress went to NSA and they admitted that they had read my email.

00:08:32.980 And so I wasn't.

00:08:34.780 And I went on TV and described the whole thing.

00:08:36.880 And I thought there would be widespread.

00:08:38.500 Out of it, I am.

00:08:39.380 I thought people would be like outraged.

00:08:40.440 You can't use a spy agency that we pay for whose job is to monitor our enemies, our rivals in other countries.

00:08:49.600 You can't use that against the American population.

00:08:51.820 And no one seemed to care.

00:08:53.380 But I cared.

00:08:54.160 I did.

00:08:54.360 Because I grew up in the U.S. government.

00:08:56.140 My dad ran a federal agency in Washington.

00:08:58.800 So I sort of knew what the rules were.

00:09:00.720 And I had a really strong sense of how much this had changed.

00:09:05.660 Like this was not allowed 30 years ago.

00:09:08.120 It was an outrage.

00:09:08.780 It's a crime.

00:09:10.000 But no one seems to be bothered by it.

00:09:11.780 But I am bothered by it.

00:09:12.700 So I am, too.

00:09:13.900 And I think every citizen should be, especially journalists.

00:09:18.000 You know, when you have freedom of speech, freedom of press, there's two rights that are going away here.

00:09:24.460 And nobody seemed to care.

00:09:26.880 But so then what happened the second time?

00:09:29.460 How did you arrange this?

00:09:32.500 Well, I just kept trying.

00:09:34.980 You know, I kept actually I did it myself with, you know, texting.

00:09:39.820 And I thought and I talked to a bunch of different people after that happened to me.

00:09:43.500 I I really tried to learn more about privacy and how can you communicate outside the view of state actors, governments.

00:09:52.180 And you can't if you're doing electronically.

00:09:54.640 That is what I arrived at.

00:09:56.280 And I think any knowledgeable person would admit that there's no privacy, which itself is very distressing.

00:10:01.020 But I just decided I would do it anyway.

00:10:02.500 And I enlisted some non-Russians I knew who I thought might be able to vouch for me, et cetera.

00:10:10.840 And it took a couple of years.

00:10:12.600 And ultimately, they said, yes, we will do this.

00:10:16.120 But if if news of this interview gets out, we're canceling the interview.

00:10:20.360 Wow.

00:10:20.720 So I started to get.

00:10:22.440 So this is the best part.

00:10:23.700 I got calls.

00:10:24.840 I got a call from a New York Times reporter and then a friend of mine got a call from another New York Times reporter asking when I was interviewing Putin.

00:10:32.840 And there's no way they could have known that.

00:10:34.600 I didn't tell anybody.

00:10:35.500 You know, my wife, my producers, not even my kids until anybody.

00:10:38.760 One of my children was highly annoyed to learn I was in Moscow.

00:10:41.920 Why didn't you tell me?

00:10:42.620 Because I didn't want to text it, you know.

00:10:44.960 But no, I they clearly did it again.

00:10:46.900 They leaked it to the New York Times in an effort to scuttle the interview.

00:10:49.760 And I just again, I hate to be, you know, Mr. Stubborn principle guy, but that is a principle worth defending.

00:10:56.640 I'm an American citizen.

00:10:57.620 I have not committed a crime.

00:10:58.680 I can speak to anyone I want.

00:10:59.720 I can have any opinion I want.

00:11:01.140 And you're not allowed to use your creepy spy agencies against me because I'm your boss.

00:11:05.540 This is a democracy.

00:11:06.640 Aren't you always telling me that?

00:11:08.160 But again, nobody cares.

00:11:09.740 So I'm going to stop the lecture on that.

00:11:10.860 But it did motivate me to keep going.

00:11:14.180 And but my real motivation was like, I just want to know what's happening there.

00:11:17.240 We're in a war with Russia.

00:11:18.780 We've never had a vote in Congress on whether we should be in a war with Russia.

00:11:22.540 No one's ever explained to me why we should be at war with Russia, why I'm supposed to hate Russians.

00:11:27.480 Why am I supposed to hate Russians?

00:11:29.300 We've got an awful lot of things going on here.

00:11:32.460 The country is in very tough shape, especially right now.

00:11:34.900 It's completely out of money.

00:11:35.960 We're bankrupt.

00:11:36.780 And so it does seem like we should have more information before we send another 60 billion dollars that we don't keep track of to Ukraine.

00:11:44.540 I mean, that's just I very straightforward motives, which I've explained many times, but nothing crazy or out of the ordinary, esoteric or anything like that.

00:11:52.140 Just like like, what is this?

00:11:53.500 Let's find out more.

00:11:54.280 Any feeling on why he chose you?

00:11:57.000 Probably because I just kept trying.

00:12:00.840 I mean, that was my sense.

00:12:02.220 I just kept trying.

00:12:03.100 And I was one of the few.

00:12:05.020 And I should just say again, and I don't want to be defensive because I'm not defensive, but I've never been a I don't have anything to do with Russia.

00:12:11.140 I don't know I had never been there before Russian, you know, it's so nuts.

00:12:14.180 But my first instinct when this happened was that the sanctions were going to destroy the primacy of the U.S. dollar around the world and stealing people's stuff, billions of dollars of people's stuff because they were, quote, oligarchs.

00:12:27.760 Correct.

00:12:28.300 Without any vote on it at all, law enforcement proceeding, much less adjudication, much less real evidence that they had anything to do with the invasion of Ukraine, which a lot of these people didn't.

00:12:36.440 You're a Russian oligarch, said American oligarchs.

00:12:39.400 We're taking your stuff.

00:12:40.180 I was like, whatever happened to the rules based order, you know, that's crazy behavior.

00:12:46.360 And it's immoral, obviously, no matter who you're doing it to.

00:12:49.100 You can't punish people without a finding of guilt, without proof.

00:12:52.380 And moreover, it's going to convince in short order the rest of the world that you can't trust the U.S. dollar because it's become a political instrument, instrument that we use to punish people who deviate ideologically or don't do what we want.

00:13:03.100 And the second the rest of the world understands that they're going to do everything they can to exit the U.S. dollar to find another place to store their money.

00:13:11.300 And the second they do that, the United States is going to collapse because this is a society, an economy based on debt.

00:13:17.520 And if that ever comes due, we're done.

00:13:20.440 This is a poor country.

00:13:21.640 And it's all super obvious.

00:13:23.300 And I didn't know why no one was saying that.

00:13:26.060 None of the geniuses in Congress seemed to even think about this.

00:13:28.860 They're like, no, we're going to punish Putin because I don't know why white Christian country.

00:13:33.220 We hate him.

00:13:33.560 I really don't know what what the motive is.

00:13:35.500 It's bizarre, but the effect on us is scary, is huge.

00:13:39.820 Agree with that 100 percent.

00:13:42.660 Let me let me cast out where I stand on this issue.

00:13:46.900 And then you tell me if it is close to your because I can't figure out where you are exactly.

00:13:52.100 And I bet a lot of people feel the same way about me and others because it's a complex issue.

00:13:58.280 Putin is a bad guy.

00:14:00.440 Cold blooded killer throws people off of roofs.

00:14:03.600 You know, he's he's a bad guy.

00:14:05.020 OK, period.

00:14:06.820 Dictator.

00:14:08.800 But I don't like the Russian leaders either.

00:14:11.820 They are corrupt and dirty.

00:14:14.160 And I don't think that are Ukrainian.

00:14:16.720 And I don't think the Ukrainian leadership is in it for really anything but money, power.

00:14:23.880 And I'm not sure where all that money is going to.

00:14:26.800 But when you're spending more than you did for the Marshall Plan in inflation adjusted dollars, something isn't right.

00:14:37.060 And why are we just pushing this through?

00:14:39.440 So I don't want to support Putin.

00:14:40.740 I don't want to support the leadership of Ukraine.

00:14:43.680 And I don't trust Biden and and the administration on what they're doing.

00:14:49.420 They have been in meddling in Russia and Ukraine forever.

00:14:54.900 So I can't say I have a horse with any.

00:14:58.760 I don't want to put my name behind any of the three because I don't trust any of the three.

00:15:05.000 But I'm still proudly American.

00:15:07.000 I just don't want to be involved in this because this is a game that's being played where we don't have the information and what the real game is.

00:15:17.180 How do you where do you fit in that?

00:15:19.400 I think I'm pretty close to to where you are.

00:15:22.360 I'm a little more agnostic on global leaders just because maybe I care less.

00:15:28.540 I having spent a lot of time out of the country, interviewed a bunch of them.

00:15:31.820 I sort of assume every world leader, all leaders by definition are up to no good on some level.

00:15:37.000 Yeah.

00:15:37.260 The only thing I care about is the United States and that's it.

00:15:41.360 And I think the only thing the U.S. government should care about by definition is the United States.

00:15:45.720 So to the extent an alliance is good for the United States and my children, that I'm in favor of it.

00:15:50.820 And to the extent it's bad, that I'm opposed to it.

00:15:53.200 I mean, that's I have a very clear lens there.

00:15:55.240 I have no emotional attachment to any other country.

00:15:58.460 I just I frequently go to, say, Finland or Switzerland, England.

00:16:02.780 I have ancestors from all of those countries.

00:16:04.760 I like those countries.

00:16:05.960 I love them, actually.

00:16:07.000 But I don't I don't have an emotional attachment.

00:16:09.300 I am American.

00:16:10.540 That's it.

00:16:11.460 And so the Russia, Ukraine, the domestic politics of either one of those countries, the longstanding conflicts they've had.

00:16:20.860 Exactly.

00:16:21.440 It's of it's of less interest to me, almost very little interest to me, actually.

00:16:24.740 What I care about is the United States.

00:16:26.680 That's the first thing.

00:16:27.420 Second thing is the people around our country are destroying it and they're doing it on purpose.

00:16:31.220 And there's no doubt about that in my mind.

00:16:34.000 And I've withheld judgment for a number of years now.

00:16:36.400 But with what they've done at the border, completely changing the population, the country, letting in millions and millions of people who have no connection to the United States.

00:16:44.620 Can't possibly help our economy, can't possibly unify our very fractured civic culture and whose loyalty to and knowledge of the United States is completely in question.

00:16:54.980 In fact, their identities are in question.

00:16:56.140 We don't know who they are.

00:16:56.880 And they're coming through a country in the middle of a drug war.

00:17:00.220 The whole thing is not, by the way, bad management.

00:17:03.380 They're not doing their job.

00:17:04.200 No, they're destroying the United States on purpose.

00:17:08.100 And so I begin with that.

00:17:09.600 So the idea that those same people are going to somehow affect positive change in Eastern Europe, a region they know nothing about.

00:17:16.580 And it's demonstrable.

00:17:17.360 They don't know anything at all.

00:17:19.400 It's like insane to me.

00:17:20.660 And the fact that Republican leaders who really are either in many cases just don't know or they're controlled, that is true, are on board with this is just infuriating.

00:17:31.540 So but but I approach this in a very non-emotional way.

00:17:34.360 I'm emotional about my country.

00:17:35.760 And I think all Americans, most Americans feel the same way I do.

00:17:38.820 So they care about what happens here because your kids live here.

00:17:40.880 Right.

00:17:41.200 And I feel the same way.

00:17:42.300 But I look at what's happening around the world because at first I just concentrated on us.

00:17:47.740 And then after Build Back Better became the slogan for every president and prime minister in the entire Western world, I realized, wait a minute, this isn't about Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump.

00:18:01.460 And this is we are being led in our own countries, each of us, that to believe that it's us versus the Nazis or us versus, you know, the Democrats.

00:18:13.480 It's not it is the people in each free country in the West against I'm not sure yet what it is, but a really nasty blob up at the top that has their own designs on the world and their own plans on the world.

00:18:33.480 And it just seems to me that I haven't found a Winston Churchill anywhere in the world.

00:18:44.820 Name one that you you see currently in office.

00:18:49.000 Well, there's no difference between most leaders in the West because no Western country, including ours, has sovereignty and sovereignty means you get to act in your own interest.

00:18:59.100 You're a distinct country with, you know, borders in a democratic system where your population decides how it will be governed sovereignty.

00:19:06.800 And we don't have that.

00:19:07.980 And no other country does.

00:19:08.860 So they act as a group.

00:19:10.120 And I and I do think, you know, always pay attention to the things you're not allowed to think or say.

00:19:15.020 And NATO is is a huge part of this.

00:19:18.200 NATO is, in addition to everything else, totally incompetent, totally incompetent.

00:19:23.300 I mean, NATO is a defense alliance aimed at Russia.

00:19:26.400 And it turns out that Russia has a seven X military artillery shell capacity, manufacturing capacity of all of NATO.

00:19:35.440 So all the NATO countries together produce one seventh the number of artillery shells annually that Russia, this country we were told, was a gas station with nuclear weapons, totally incompetent country produces.

00:19:47.420 So NATO isn't even good at the military piece.

00:19:49.840 But NATO is not a military alliance.

00:19:51.280 Of course, it's a political and cultural alliance.

00:19:53.720 And it's the tool with which, you know, whatever this multilateral alliance of unelected people uses to express its will.

00:20:04.780 And it is an offense against our sovereignty.

00:20:07.840 The U.S. military, when I signed up for the U.S. military, I should fight for the United States on behalf of its territorial integrity and its interests.

00:20:15.220 I shouldn't be fighting for Lithuania.

00:20:16.960 Like, the whole thing is nuts.

00:20:18.520 And in Washington, criticizing NATO is considered, like, sinful or something.

00:20:22.500 It's a religion.

00:20:23.640 But, of course, what it really is is a scam.

00:20:26.000 It's a money laundering operation.

00:20:27.820 And it's an attack on American sovereignty.

00:20:30.820 And, like, nobody can say that.

00:20:32.120 You won't find one member of Congress who will say that NATO is terrible for the United States.

00:20:36.840 But, of course, it is.

00:20:37.480 It's obvious.

00:20:39.480 So let me let me now go to some of the criticism of you that, you know, Jon Stewart just did a piece.

00:20:46.180 I don't know if you've seen it on you.

00:20:48.280 But, yeah, I never watched them either.

00:20:51.840 I know.

00:20:52.140 So, you know, you went in.

00:20:54.760 You said Moscow is clean.

00:20:56.520 The subways are wonderful.

00:20:58.900 Look at the chandeliers.

00:21:00.560 Well, I know you, Tucker.

00:21:02.320 You're smart enough to know who built those to look like that and why.

00:21:08.040 And Durante went over.

00:21:09.860 I said it in the piece.

00:21:11.920 So, Walter Durante denied the existence.

00:21:15.020 He was a New York Times correspondent in Russia in the 30s.

00:21:17.880 He denied, of course, the Ukrainian famine, which was made by Stalin.

00:21:23.440 That's exactly right.

00:21:24.400 And he denied the show trials of 1937-38 that the terror was happening.

00:21:32.480 So those were lies.

00:21:35.220 Okay.

00:21:35.460 He told lies.

00:21:36.420 And that's why his Pulitzer Prize was pulled from him posthumously.

00:21:39.500 I told the truth in order to shame our leaders.

00:21:44.080 That subway station I showed was built by Stalin in 1939.

00:21:49.180 Joseph Stalin, probably the worst person in human history.

00:21:52.040 That was over 80 years ago, and it's still in perfect shape.

00:21:55.900 Okay.

00:21:56.100 That's the point.

00:21:57.180 Look at what Moscow has and compare it to what we have.

00:22:01.800 So, but we have-

00:22:02.600 And you have to ask yourself, like, no, this is an indictment of our leaders.

00:22:07.600 And I would recommend to every single one of your viewers and listeners, if you can, go

00:22:11.880 spend a week in Moscow.

00:22:13.840 Not because you love Russia, but because you love your own country.

00:22:17.240 And compare that city, the largest city in Europe, 13 million people, compare it to the

00:22:21.220 city that you live in or the city near you, which is in better shape.

00:22:24.460 So, actually, it's an indictment.

00:22:27.180 It's a radicalizing indictment of our rapidly declining standard of living and the horrible

00:22:34.140 mismanagement of our leaders.

00:22:35.600 Why don't we have a subway like that in any American city?

00:22:38.520 Wait, wait, wait, wait.

00:22:38.780 Let's have a single American city with no crime.

00:22:40.740 Like, what is this?

00:22:41.600 Right.

00:22:41.980 Well, I mean, there's not a lot of crime in North Korea either.

00:22:44.980 There's no drug problem, really, in China, because you can just take them off the street

00:22:49.780 and kill them.

00:22:51.080 But we didn't have that here.

00:22:54.080 And I'm only 54, and I remember it.

00:22:56.480 Okay.

00:22:56.800 It's not like you have to be a fascist to have an orderly society.

00:22:59.800 We had one.

00:23:00.640 And on Memorial Day 2020, with the drug OD of George Floyd, everything changed.

00:23:06.980 And what we got was the intentional destruction of American cities.

00:23:10.580 Now, I don't live in a city because I don't like them.

00:23:12.520 But what I missed, because I don't live in one, is that you can't have a great country

00:23:16.300 unless you have a great city, period, or a number of great cities.

00:23:20.180 Cities define your country.

00:23:21.400 That's not my choice.

00:23:22.200 It's just a fact.

00:23:22.880 It's always been true.

00:23:23.720 And so if every one of your cities is a cesspool, then your country is collapsing.

00:23:29.980 But they don't need to be that way.

00:23:31.620 Crime is the easiest thing to fix.

00:23:33.140 You say, we're just not putting up with this.

00:23:34.540 We've done it before.

00:23:35.440 I covered it.

00:23:36.200 I wrote a book on it in 1994.

00:23:38.460 I watched New York City go from a very dangerous place to one of the safest cities in the world.

00:23:43.460 And it didn't take mass executions.

00:23:45.820 It didn't even take mass incarceration.

00:23:47.680 It just took paying attention to the details.

00:23:49.760 If there's graffiti, wipe it off.

00:23:51.580 If people are jumping over the turnstiles, arrest them.

00:23:54.280 If people are carrying guns, it doesn't allow it.

00:23:56.740 It's called the broken windows.

00:23:57.740 It's called the broken windows.

00:23:57.760 The theory by James Q. Wilson and George Kelling, one of the most famous pieces on criminology

00:24:03.500 and really on social science ever written and true to this day.

00:24:06.300 But anyway, the point is we have a drug crisis, a fentanyl crisis, a homeless crisis, a crisis

00:24:12.120 of mental illness, and a crime crisis, and a filth crisis, just the dirtiness of it.

00:24:17.200 That's all on purpose.

00:24:19.280 That's what I realized when I went to Moscow.

00:24:21.160 And not just Moscow.

00:24:22.440 Abu Dhabi, which is not a fascist city at all.

00:24:24.580 It's a more tolerant place than any place in the West, actually.

00:24:28.600 If you want your mind blown, spend a week in Abu Dhabi.

00:24:31.000 It's true in Singapore, which is pretty authoritarian.

00:24:33.240 It's true in Tokyo, which is kind of authoritarian.

00:24:36.180 Wait, wait, wait.

00:24:37.100 I've been to Abu Dhabi.

00:24:39.380 They'll cut your hands off for theft.

00:24:42.920 I can't talk about Christ in Abu Dhabi.

00:24:46.220 So it does have some...

00:24:47.580 Oh, not true.

00:24:48.080 Oh, not true.

00:24:49.740 Abu Dhabi is a bigger Christmas celebration than almost any American city.

00:24:54.680 Oh, no.

00:24:55.600 Abu Dhabi...

00:24:56.120 I mean, I don't know when the last time you were there.

00:24:57.360 I was just there last week.

00:24:58.880 And I've spent...

00:24:59.640 Look, I'm not flacking for Abu Dhabi, okay?

00:25:02.180 I'm not about America.

00:25:03.320 No, but the point is that this is the lie that they tell.

00:25:07.480 And this is what I've realized after just spending a lot of time going to different places with an open mind,

00:25:11.700 thinking about how the lessons of these cities might apply to the cities that I care about.

00:25:16.420 Like the city I was born in, San Francisco, the prettiest city in North America by far.

00:25:20.700 By far.

00:25:21.340 By far.

00:25:22.120 Totally uninhabitable.

00:25:23.720 My family's been there since 1850.

00:25:25.620 Wow.

00:25:25.780 So I do feel like some kind of ownership.

00:25:28.420 I don't have ownership, but I feel a connection to the city.

00:25:31.400 And it has declined...

00:25:33.320 To a place that is third world or worse than third world, actually, because the people running it wanted that.

00:25:40.740 It wasn't an accident.

00:25:42.060 It's not a choice, but liberalism and Nazism.

00:25:45.940 And if you choose liberalism, then you're going to have 50,000 people shooting drugs on your sidewalks or crapping in your doorway.

00:25:52.620 That's not the choice.

00:25:54.000 You can have a free society.

00:25:55.280 We had one for hundreds of years where there's order and politeness and decency and self-respect and concern for the individual.

00:26:02.580 If you allow people to OD on drugs in your park, what are you saying?

00:26:05.800 I don't care about their lives.

00:26:07.180 You are a cruel and vicious person if you allow that.

00:26:09.920 And we are allowing.

00:26:10.680 Our leaders are.

00:26:11.740 And going to Moscow, I'm like, how the hell do they get this?

00:26:15.340 I mean, how do...

00:26:17.060 This is Russia.

00:26:17.920 This is the country.

00:26:18.840 And again, I don't want to live in Russia, and I'm not going to.

00:26:21.660 But I should be able to live in a city like that.

00:26:24.620 And I can't because our leaders, every big city mayor, most governors, the entire Congress of the United States, the White House, they step over the bodies of drug addicts, of fentanyl addicts, maybe the dead bodies, every day on their way to work.

00:26:38.680 And they don't notice to go appropriate more money for a country they know nothing about and whose language they don't speak.

00:26:43.940 Like, this is peak insanity.

00:26:45.700 And so, yes, of course, I knew I was going to be compared to Walter Durante.

00:26:48.560 And by the way, if Bill Kristol accuses you of not loving America enough, Bill Kristol, no concern for America whatsoever.

00:26:56.540 Like, you can just laugh it off.

00:26:58.060 You're telling, look, I have a lot of faults.

00:26:59.780 I eat too much.

00:27:00.880 I'm kind of a jerk.

00:27:01.800 I get all that.

00:27:02.640 But I don't I don't think it's a really serious critique to say I don't love America enough.

00:27:07.500 Really?

00:27:08.140 Who are the people saying that?

00:27:09.360 They're the ones who've opened our borders, let fentanyl flow in here, kill over 100,000 Americans every year.

00:27:14.360 And it doesn't bother them at all.

00:27:15.740 And they're telling me I don't love America.

00:27:17.660 I'm trying not to use the effort on your show.

00:27:19.220 But that's how I feel because it's just so insane.

00:27:21.920 So, Tucker, you should go to Moscow.

00:27:23.840 You should go next week.

00:27:24.860 It will radicalize you.

00:27:26.660 You will not give up American citizenship.

00:27:28.920 You'll come back to this country and say we had cities like this.

00:27:32.640 And if even Moscow can do it, we should do it.

00:27:35.000 So I think I agree with you 100 percent where the sticking point is in America right now is there's a lot of people on the right and the left that are both saying, screw the Constitution.

00:27:50.120 We need a radicalized leader.

00:27:52.800 When you know when you look at Orban, I think Orban is great for his country.

00:27:58.240 That's not our system.

00:27:59.440 I think, you know, the Moscow might be great.

00:28:03.500 Love to visit.

00:28:04.300 That's not our system.

00:28:05.780 So I think and I believe you are.

00:28:08.780 You've already said this, but I want to make sure it's very clear on the record.

00:28:12.340 The only path forward for America is through the Declaration of Independence, the Bill of Rights and the Constitution.

00:28:23.320 Correct.

00:28:25.300 Of course.

00:28:26.060 And by the way, I should just be very, very clear.

00:28:29.400 If I was I'm like the one person on the planet, you don't need to guess about my motives.

00:28:34.320 I'll just say them.

00:28:35.140 And if I was advocating for a different form of government or for authoritarianism, for a strong man, I would just say so.

00:28:43.240 I would have no shame in saying that because I really believe that it's within my rights to say what I think.

00:28:48.460 If I I've been called a racist, if I was racist, I would just say it.

00:28:51.280 I would just say it.

00:28:51.860 But I'm not.

00:28:52.720 And I'm not advocating for that.

00:28:53.960 I'm advocating to return to America of, say, 1993.

00:28:58.560 How radical is that really radical?

00:29:00.240 No, I don't think it's very radical.

00:29:01.680 In fact, I think we should be demanding it.

00:29:03.260 And if there's one thing that I will fault Americans for, it's low expectations.

00:29:07.040 You should not put up with this.

00:29:08.240 You should not allow them.

00:29:09.360 The governor of Texas should not allow millions of people to cross his border.

00:29:13.980 And I don't want to hear, you know, the excuses.

00:29:16.720 And I don't want to hear the excuses for why it's OK to have tens of thousands of people dying on the street or sleeping on the sidewalk in tents.

00:29:24.240 Handed to them by the Episcopal Church forever.

00:29:27.520 Like, that's not acceptable.

00:29:28.860 It's not OK for my kids to use drugs at the breakfast table.

00:29:31.600 I'm not going to have a debate about it.

00:29:33.160 No, is the answer.

00:29:34.800 I'm within my rights as a father to say that.

00:29:38.080 The U.S. government is within its statutory rights as a government to say that.

00:29:42.520 We don't need more laws.

00:29:43.520 We have the laws.

00:29:44.740 They're not being enforced on purpose.

00:29:47.080 And to your point, why?

00:29:49.040 And, of course, the reason is because people will lose faith in liberal democracy.

00:29:52.820 Right.

00:29:52.920 And they will welcome a strong man.

00:29:54.880 And that's exactly what this is about, is the left and not just the left.

00:29:58.840 I would say that the quizzling right on Capitol Hill, for whom I just have boundless contempt, they're in on this as well.

00:30:06.820 Yes.

00:30:07.020 People are just going to give up.

00:30:08.320 They're not going to vote.

00:30:09.700 They're going to steal the elections just as they stole the last one, which they did.

00:30:13.440 Sorry.

00:30:14.340 And they're going to steal the next one.

00:30:15.740 And people are just going to be like, you know what?

00:30:16.540 I don't even care.

00:30:17.200 I just totally give up.

00:30:18.020 This is crazy.

00:30:18.700 Just get the bums off my street.

00:30:21.040 Some guy just exposed himself to my daughter.

00:30:23.020 My nephew just died of a fentanyl O.D.

00:30:24.580 Make it stop.

00:30:25.640 Make it stop.

00:30:26.320 You can have all the power you want.

00:30:27.540 That is absolutely what they're going for.

00:30:30.460 And I don't want that.

00:30:31.400 I want to live in the country we lived in in 1993 or 1985, not ancient history.

00:30:36.460 Post-Civil Rights Act.

00:30:37.500 We can do that.

00:30:38.580 Let's do it right now.

00:30:39.500 That's my point.

00:30:40.060 You're right on that's what they're doing.

00:30:44.400 It's amazing to watch.

00:30:46.240 It's exactly the stuff that I talked about back at Fox.

00:30:51.680 It's top-down, inside-out.

00:30:53.540 It's the way the communists did it.

00:30:54.880 It's the color revolution.

00:30:56.480 And it's Cloward and Piven.

00:30:57.820 It's all of it.

00:30:58.980 And it's happening right in front of our eyes.

00:31:01.640 It's crazy.

00:31:03.220 People, Americans need to know that because our sense of reality is shaped digitally,

00:31:10.060 and Wikipedia is our history, and Instagram is our present, and Twitter is our future X,

00:31:16.640 you know, people forget that we didn't have this just a few years ago.

00:31:21.920 And that's why going to places that are different really reminds you, it triggers in you this chain reaction of thoughts,

00:31:32.100 and you realize, I cannot believe I'm putting up with this.

00:31:34.720 I can't believe there's a homeless encampment in front of Union Station in our nation's capital

00:31:39.400 directly across from the Capitol building.

00:31:41.600 That's so much more horrifying to me than anything that happened on January 6th.

00:31:45.480 That's such an expression of contempt and loathing for the American people.

00:31:49.260 That's such an admission of defeat and lack of self-respect.

00:31:53.160 Like, no, you are not allowed to do drugs in front of Union Station.

00:31:56.940 I don't want to hear your excuse.

00:31:58.060 I'm not responsible for housing you.

00:32:00.600 Get out of here.

00:32:01.260 Like, it's just, it's not hard.

00:32:03.780 And that is kind of the society that they have in a lot of other countries.

00:32:07.100 Right?

00:32:07.540 I mean, it's, people should travel and see this stuff.

00:32:11.200 It'll make you love America more and make you want better for America.

00:32:14.400 That's the only point.

00:32:16.860 No more interruptions from here on out.

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00:35:32.660 So let me let me go back to the interview.

00:35:36.740 He Putin was telling you weaving a story that our president isn't really in control, wasn't he?

00:35:43.820 And did you, of course, have you done anything and reached out to try to verify any of this, that it was true?

00:35:52.540 I mean, do you believe him?

00:35:55.720 That the president's not really in control?

00:35:57.460 Obviously, obviously, the policies don't change.

00:36:01.360 Well, I will tell you, when I heard him say that to you, I thought of something that George Bush told me in the Oval Office.

00:36:07.840 I was asking about the policies and how they were going to change, and he said, Glenn, and he tried to make me feel good by saying this.

00:36:16.080 Glenn, don't worry.

00:36:16.840 Whoever sits behind this desk in that chair is going to have the same advice given by the same advisors, and they'll realize the president's hands are tied.

00:36:28.000 I walked out of that room horrified, horrified.

00:36:32.120 Then why do we even have elections?

00:36:35.760 Yeah, I, of course, I couldn't agree more.

00:36:39.220 And I mean, look, they haven't released the JFK files over 60 years later.

00:36:45.420 I know.

00:36:45.740 OK, no president.

00:36:46.780 That's just one.

00:36:47.520 We have over a billion classified documents.

00:36:49.480 So it's not a it's not a democracy in the sense that they told us it was.

00:36:53.100 And I think it can be fixed.

00:36:54.720 I think the president's primary power is his communication with the public.

00:36:59.400 And I continue to think that any president who decided to go right to social media, like a direct feed.

00:37:05.600 Here's what I know.

00:37:06.400 Here's what's going on.

00:37:07.680 He could harness the power of the population and he could make a change.

00:37:12.780 I mean, look, it's the U.S.

00:37:14.060 The federal government is the largest organization in human history.

00:37:16.280 You can't probably not going to change it in four years, but you could make this country more democratic.

00:37:20.420 And you know what you could certainly do is change the conversation away from where they want it, which is getting black people and white people to hate each other.

00:37:27.220 OK, race hate is a manufactured phenomenon in this country for the most part.

00:37:32.620 Yeah.

00:37:32.780 And it's actually provable.

00:37:34.000 It happened during Occupy Wall Street in 2012.

00:37:36.640 The mentions of white supremacy and racism in The New York Times went up hundreds of fold.

00:37:41.860 So this is an intentional strategy to get people to hate each other on the basis of race.

00:37:47.960 And as I walk around this country, I'm really surprised by how little race hatred there is.

00:37:51.420 It actually hasn't worked very well.

00:37:52.820 Most Americans don't want to do that and they don't want to talk about foreign policy and the economy, which are the core functions of state.

00:38:00.160 And on those two topics, like why do private equity people pay half the tax rate that you do?

00:38:05.640 Like that seems like a kind of an interesting conversation.

00:38:07.640 Shut up.

00:38:08.740 And why are we sending all this money to Ukraine?

00:38:11.880 I want to hear an amazing story that just tells you everything about this.

00:38:14.640 So I'm over in Moscow.

00:38:16.080 I'm waiting to do this interview.

00:38:17.320 It gets out that we're doing it and I'm immediately denounced by this guy called Boris Johnson, who was for a short time the prime minister of Great Britain.

00:38:25.020 And Boris Johnson calls me a tool of the Kremlin or something.

00:38:28.320 And I'm thinking, well, that's kind of, I mean, his name's not actually Boris, as I'm sure you know.

00:38:31.460 His name is Alex Johnson.

00:38:32.680 He called himself Boris in high school.

00:38:34.760 So the guy who calls himself Boris is accusing me?

00:38:38.200 So I was annoyed.

00:38:39.700 So I put in a request for an interview with Boris Johnson, as I have many times because he's constantly denouncing me as a tool of the Kremlin.

00:38:45.600 He says no.

00:38:47.040 So I'm thinking about something getting more annoyed.

00:38:48.200 So I know a lot of people who know Boris Johnson.

00:38:49.580 So I reach out to them.

00:38:51.700 Finally, one of his advisors gets back to me and says, he will talk to you, but it's going to cost you a million dollars.

00:38:56.760 He wants a million dollars in U.S. dollars, gold or Bitcoin.

00:39:00.300 No, this just happened yesterday or two days ago.

00:39:03.400 And I'm like, he wants a million dollars.

00:39:05.980 Yeah.

00:39:06.840 And then he will talk to you about Ukraine.

00:39:08.740 He will explain his position on Ukraine and explain what he attacks me without explaining how I'm wrong, of course, or how he's right.

00:39:18.420 This is, by the way, the guy who single handedly at the request of the U.S. government stopped the peace deal in Ukraine a year and a half ago.

00:39:24.880 And is, I think, for that reason, responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people.

00:39:29.220 He won't explain any of that to me in an interview until I pay him a million dollars.

00:39:34.120 And I said to the guy, you know, I just interviewed Vladimir Putin.

00:39:36.420 I'm not defending Putin.

00:39:37.680 But Putin didn't ask for a million dollars.

00:39:39.860 So you're telling me that Boris Johnson is a lot sleazier, a lot lower than Vladimir Putin.

00:39:46.580 Okay.

00:39:47.160 Which is true.

00:39:47.960 Yeah.

00:39:48.140 So this whole thing is a freaking shakedown.

00:39:51.440 Why $60 billion?

00:39:52.700 I mean, I could get boring on this because I've learned a lot about it.

00:39:55.800 But $60 billion is not going to allow Ukraine to prevail over Russia.

00:40:00.900 No honest person thinks that's going to work.

00:40:03.220 This is a money laundering operation.

00:40:06.000 A lot of the people involved in making money from it.

00:40:08.320 And if you're making money off a war, you know, you can deal with God on that because that's really immoral.

00:40:14.960 Like that's actually really, really wrong.

00:40:16.660 And a lot of people are, including Boris Johnson.

00:40:18.400 So I pointed out that the Ukrainians were funding, really through us, this Nazi, you know, group on the border of Russia.

00:40:29.340 We had been funding them for quite a while because they were fighting against Russia.

00:40:33.820 Okay.

00:40:34.220 Now I guess it's okay for everybody to be, you know, in bed with the Nazis.

00:40:37.840 Anyways, when Putin said that, do you, is he just evoking the Nazis because what it means to his people?

00:40:47.860 Is that really one of his goals?

00:40:50.400 Is that really what's, what's happened?

00:40:53.140 Whatever.

00:40:53.500 What, what did you finally get from him on what's happening on his side?

00:40:58.420 Why is he doing this?

00:40:59.200 I thought it, I thought it was stupid.

00:41:01.220 The whole Nazi thing.

00:41:02.600 I mean, there's no, you know, the Nazi party was a German party, which obviously repugnant party, but was responding to a specific historical set of circumstances growing out of the Treaty of Versailles.

00:41:14.320 So Nazism, there's no, there's no das Kapital of Nazism, right?

00:41:20.320 And so it doesn't kind of transfer like Nazism died in April of 1945 when Hitler shot himself.

00:41:26.580 So, you know, there are all kinds of ugly political movements in the world, but let's think of a new name for them.

00:41:31.900 I think it's like a weird national socialists.

00:41:35.020 Yeah, whatever.

00:41:36.420 But like, what ideology are you talking about?

00:41:39.160 I just don't even understand.

00:41:39.880 So like, look, Russia moved into Eastern Ukraine because the Biden administration pushed them to.

00:41:50.800 There's a war in Ukraine because the Biden administration wanted a war in Ukraine.

00:41:55.800 And that's very obvious.

00:41:57.260 And it happened in public.

00:41:59.940 Biden sent his vice president to the Munich Security Conference days before the invasion two Februaries ago to announce in public at a press conference that we wanted Ukraine to just be a war.

00:42:09.880 That would mean nuclear weapons on Russia's border.

00:42:12.340 Now, this is not a new conversation.

00:42:14.000 This has been going on for 30 years.

00:42:15.600 Right.

00:42:15.760 Russia does not want nuclear weapons aimed at Moscow on its border and has said that's the red line, as it would be with for any country.

00:42:23.680 For if, you know, if the Chinese did that in Mexico, I hope we would say, no, we're going to war before we allow that.

00:42:28.400 And they knew that and they pushed him to do this.

00:42:31.040 Of course.

00:42:31.900 Now, their motive, you know, we can only guess at it.

00:42:35.720 But that absolutely happened.

00:42:37.000 And you're, like, not allowed to say that.

00:42:38.220 But that's true.

00:42:39.520 Yes, it is.

00:42:39.960 It's not a defense of Putin.

00:42:41.360 It's an attack on the craziness of our foreign policy, which is, like, purely destructive.

00:42:46.200 Nothing is built, only destroyed.

00:42:47.980 It's nuts.

00:42:48.520 Let me let me switch here for for a second on some things that have happened just recently while you were gone.

00:43:00.620 Navalny went for a walk in the Arctic Circle because he liked to walk outside and then he came back.

00:43:09.080 They say they tried everything they could to resuscitate.

00:43:13.100 Was he assassinated or not?

00:43:15.120 Are you asking me if I did it?

00:43:18.480 Yeah, I did.

00:43:18.940 No.

00:43:19.160 And I can tell you.

00:43:20.620 Oh, sorry.

00:43:21.320 Sorry.

00:43:21.640 I should never.

00:43:22.260 I never admit it.

00:43:25.020 You know, was he assassinated?

00:43:26.680 I have no idea.

00:43:27.820 No one in the United States has any idea.

00:43:29.740 All these buffoons like Chuck Schumer or the senile president jumping up and down Russia to this.

00:43:34.400 I mean, they don't know that.

00:43:35.840 They don't know anything about it, actually.

00:43:37.100 I have no freaking idea.

00:43:38.360 I can tell you it didn't help Russia to do it.

00:43:40.020 They put him in prison.

00:43:41.400 You can argue about whether they had justification for doing that.

00:43:44.220 I'm not that interested.

00:43:45.600 Russia is not a free country in the way that the country I grew up in is, was.

00:43:50.680 And I care about my country being free.

00:43:52.740 That's all I care about.

00:43:53.920 So whatever.

00:43:55.000 I don't know.

00:43:55.560 I'm not that interested.

00:43:56.360 I haven't spent a lot of time reading about Navalny.

00:43:58.180 I know this.

00:43:59.440 Him dying during the Munich Security Conference in the middle of the debate on Ukraine funding, both of which they're highly aware of, doesn't help Russia.

00:44:08.100 Yeah.

00:44:08.540 So the people say, oh, Putin just had him murdered last week because they're idiots.

00:44:13.280 They don't actually know anything.

00:44:14.620 They don't know anything.

00:44:15.440 These are the same people who told us that Ukraine was going to win.

00:44:19.080 Really?

00:44:19.760 Russia has 100 million more people and far deeper industrial capacity.

00:44:24.220 Like that's insane.

00:44:24.780 No person outside the United States thought that for a second that Ukraine could win.

00:44:30.000 Not maybe they're rooting for Ukraine.

00:44:31.120 Maybe not.

00:44:31.640 I mean, who knows?

00:44:32.340 But as a factual matter, the information desert that we live in is really, really scary.

00:44:37.780 And sometimes I think maybe the average North Korean knows more about what's happening in the world than the average American who watches NBC News because it's just so distorted.

00:44:45.940 The lies are like so – it's like a vacuum.

00:44:48.620 You don't even – like the two facts I just stated.

00:44:51.520 Russia has 100 million more people and the capacity to produce seven times the number of artillery shells as all of NATO.

00:44:58.160 Those are just two facts that I'm not sure the average person in this country had it's ever heard before.

00:45:04.140 And those are the determinative facts in a ground war.

00:45:07.280 Do you have more people?

00:45:08.640 Do you have more materiel?

00:45:10.740 Do you have more – how it's your shells?

00:45:13.140 And like the people making these decisions, Anthony Blinken, Anthony Blinken, I can't believe that guy is the secretary of state.

00:45:21.080 What a mediocrity that he doesn't know that or something.

00:45:24.060 Like the whole – they're just so ignorant that it's scary.

00:45:27.300 Super, super scary.

00:45:28.280 But I don't know if they are ignorant.

00:45:29.740 Look at the Iranian policy.

00:45:31.680 Who doesn't know Iran is a terrorist state that really truly means they're going to burn the Jews in the fire of the Islamic fury?

00:45:43.760 Who doesn't know that?

00:45:45.700 Who doesn't know that enough to say, you know what?

00:45:48.600 We shouldn't send over $8 billion.

00:45:51.540 We just shouldn't do it.

00:45:53.360 We shouldn't play –

00:45:54.620 I've got to be honest, I don't understand that.

00:45:56.780 That was, of course, something that Obama did.

00:45:59.180 And there was quite a bit of debate with the Democratic Party.

00:46:02.860 And he – boy, he pushed it through.

00:46:05.660 And I've thought about that for almost – it's been almost 10 years.

00:46:09.640 No, but Biden has – Biden, I think, has done another – allowed them to dip into another $6 billion, you know, as long as it's used for peaceful purpose.

00:46:19.680 You don't – you would never make that deal with Adolf Hitler.

00:46:24.980 You know who they are.

00:46:27.260 You know, somebody said to me once, is a rattlesnake a bad pet?

00:46:30.720 No, it's a perfectly fine pet.

00:46:32.520 As long as you always remember it's a rattlesnake.

00:46:35.920 Like, we are treating people who are in our own country like enemies and people who are oppressing people, we're treating them like friends.

00:46:49.360 Well, yeah, I've noticed that.

00:46:51.700 And I have to say the disproportionate outrage at the Russians is puzzling to me.

00:46:57.440 But again, all of it is playing out against the backdrop that I care about, which is life in the United States.

00:47:03.540 And I feel like we're in a moment where things are moving south at high speed, particularly the demographic replacement.

00:47:12.800 American citizens being replaced by foreigners who are being encouraged to go into the military.

00:47:17.360 Let's hand them – we don't know who they are.

00:47:19.580 They don't know anything about the United States.

00:47:20.780 They may or may not be loyal to it.

00:47:21.900 Let's give them guns.

00:47:23.000 I mean, where do you think that's going, Glenn?

00:47:24.900 I mean, of course, the military will be used, as it was on January 6th, as a tool of domestic political control, obviously.

00:47:32.900 And it's much easier to do that with foreigners than it is with people who grew up in this country.

00:47:36.660 So that's way scarier than anything that happened to Navalny in some Siberian – I mean, I guess that's kind of what I'm saying.

00:47:43.160 It's like I'm against putting Navalny or any political opponents in jail ever, whether it's the January 6th people who are still rotting, whether it's Navalny, whether it's Gonzalo Lira, the American citizen who died in custody in Ukraine.

00:47:54.980 I mean, I'm opposed to all of that stuff.

00:47:56.180 Right.

00:47:56.300 But I don't understand this weird externalizing process of emotion that happens for a lot of well-educated Americans where they don't – they're not mad about what's happening around them.

00:48:07.380 They're mad about what's happening in some country they've never been to.

00:48:09.620 It's like, what is that?

00:48:11.280 In other words, it's like you've got a kid who's a drug addict, but you don't have time to drive him to rehab because you're sending money to –

00:48:18.080 The drug company.

00:48:19.460 Burkina Faso or something.

00:48:21.480 No, but you're sending it to some kid you've never met in a country you've never been to.

00:48:25.000 It's like, what is that?

00:48:27.040 And the last thing I'll say is I've noticed that a lot of the most passionate sort of advocates for this idea that the only problems are abroad and we need to spend all of our money on those problems are people with very weird and hollow personal lives.

00:48:41.240 I'm sorry.

00:48:41.960 I don't want to be mean.

00:48:42.920 I'm just being honest.

00:48:44.180 Very dishonest personal lives, creepy personal lives, unsettled inside.

00:48:47.920 Like a normal person in this and all countries wants like – I want to have dinner with my wife and play with my dogs and see my kids grow up and have grandchildren and I want my neighborhood to be safe and I want my friends to be happy and I want – you know what I mean?

00:48:59.620 Like those are the kind of core human concerns for most people.

00:49:02.320 It really takes someone like Lindsey Graham who doesn't have children to be like, no, the most important thing is Kharkov or something in some city in Eastern Europe that like – honestly, what does that have to do with El Paso or my kids?

00:49:18.180 Nothing.

00:49:19.080 It's a syndrome kind of.

00:49:20.900 Do you know what I mean?

00:49:21.540 I do know what you mean.

00:49:23.440 The reason why I brought up Navalny is because Donald Trump this week is in trouble because he said, well, yeah, Navalny, I mean, that's what happens when you put political prisoners behind bar.

00:49:39.300 When you take somebody who is running against you and the state has so much power, they pull you off and put you in jail.

00:49:46.700 Sound familiar?

00:49:47.500 And while the left has a problem with Navalny, as you would say, oddly so, they don't see the connection on what we're doing here, what we're doing with Donald Trump.

00:50:03.480 Oh, they see it.

00:50:04.740 Oh, they see it.

00:50:05.420 They just look – the one thing they're really good at, they're not good at engineering or building anything or even preserving what our ancestors handed us in New York City, for example.

00:50:14.600 They'll destroy everything in the physical world.

00:50:17.900 But the one thing they're really talented at is occupying the moral high ground in an unjustified way, is flying into such a hysterical frenzy that they intimidate people into repeating their slogans.

00:50:30.540 Where are you in Navalny?

00:50:32.240 Navalny?

00:50:32.760 I don't know.

00:50:33.440 I mean, I'm against people being killed, I guess.

00:50:35.520 I don't know anything about it.

00:50:36.860 You know what I mean?

00:50:37.740 And where are you in Navalny?

00:50:38.720 You don't have a position in Navalny?

00:50:39.780 He has not spoken on Navalny.

00:50:41.180 You know, the Daily Mail, which was – I was like thousands of miles away two days ago in a car, and somebody sends me this piece from the Daily Mail, which used to be kind of a good newspaper.

00:50:54.500 It's like total garbage at this point, along with the New York Post.

00:50:57.180 It's like so weird how these papers get captured.

00:50:58.920 But they had some piece saying, Tucker Carlson has not said a word, issued a statement about Navalny.

00:51:04.980 Well, I didn't know – I didn't know anything about Navalny.

00:51:06.800 I didn't know he died.

00:51:07.700 I didn't know anything.

00:51:08.280 Nobody called – I've been on an airplane from Dubai.

00:51:12.300 It was like, but you don't have a statement?

00:51:14.720 And I do think if we're going to reclaim our humanity from people who would turn us into slaves, one of the first things we need to say is I control what I think and what I say.

00:51:24.140 I can have my own opinions.

00:51:25.660 And by the way, I don't have to have an opinion.

00:51:27.280 I don't have an opinion on that.

00:51:28.460 It's not important to me.

00:51:29.480 It's okay to say that.

00:51:30.880 Your priorities don't have to be mine.

00:51:33.760 Mine don't have to be yours.

00:51:35.120 And if they do, then I'm no longer a free person.

00:51:37.080 I'm a slave.

00:51:37.600 You consider me subhuman.

00:51:38.600 I'm like your dog.

00:51:39.280 You can tell me what to care about, what to eat.

00:51:41.880 But as a free man, no.

00:51:43.240 I don't have to share your priorities.

00:51:44.580 I don't have to be interested in Navalny's death.

00:51:46.360 I can be very interested or not.

00:51:48.520 But you can't force me to be.

00:51:50.460 And I think that's really important for people to make the decision that they're going to think independently and not be intimidated by these freaks.

00:51:58.180 And they are freaks.

00:51:59.880 By the way, I just, you know, somebody who emailed you something, I just want to say thank you for text messaging me while you're in Russia and the NSA is watching.

00:52:10.300 I just thought that was a great move from a good friend.

00:52:13.840 Oh, thank you.

00:52:14.780 Thank you.

00:52:15.140 Well, I've decided I have all these people that come to me.

00:52:19.320 Well, you need to get this software.

00:52:20.720 Do that or whatever.

00:52:22.020 They'll break it.

00:52:22.860 You got to throw your phone.

00:52:23.880 No.

00:52:25.020 In fact, I may I may send, you know, some naked pictures of myself to the NSA just to just to wreck their day.

00:52:30.640 You know, no, I'm not.

00:52:32.420 I don't have to do that.

00:52:33.600 I'm not.

00:52:34.400 You know what I mean?

00:52:34.940 I'm an American citizen.

00:52:36.160 I do.

00:52:36.480 You're a criminal.

00:52:37.220 Not me.

00:52:39.060 Not me.

00:52:39.880 You mean the NSA.

00:52:40.660 OK, let me with that being said, when you were over and sitting in front of Putin, who has absolute control and is a former KGB guy.

00:52:58.880 Was there any time that you because he he said several times like, oh, I I know who you are.

00:53:06.040 I know you studied history.

00:53:08.400 I mean, he knew you.

00:53:09.580 Um, when you got to the question about the Wall Street Journal reporter, did it ever cross your mind that I'm not in my home country?

00:53:19.780 I'm saying this to a very powerful man who does do what he wants.

00:53:25.820 Were you ever worried?

00:53:28.180 No, not at all.

00:53:29.440 I wasn't worried for a single second.

00:53:30.900 I was there.

00:53:31.400 I wasn't worried going over there, not because I trust the Russian government.

00:53:35.180 I don't.

00:53:35.880 But because my kids are grown and like, I don't really care at this point.

00:53:39.200 I feel protected.

00:53:40.420 I say my prayers much more worried about my government, much more worried about my country than I am about Russia because I'm not Russian.

00:53:46.320 You know, I wasn't.

00:53:47.360 No, I wasn't intimidated at all.

00:53:49.020 I was annoyed a couple of times.

00:53:50.980 Um, I thought it was interesting.

00:53:54.160 Uh, I thought he was interesting.

00:53:56.460 He was hostile to me.

00:53:58.100 Um, he said that he somehow you didn't even ask hard questions.

00:54:05.780 Whatever.

00:54:06.480 Yeah, I know.

00:54:07.760 Did he really say that?

00:54:09.080 Oh, yeah.

00:54:09.440 You didn't hear that?

00:54:10.180 Yeah.

00:54:10.320 He, he came out and said he was very disappointed.

00:54:13.280 You didn't ask any hard questions.

00:54:15.780 Oh, that's funny.

00:54:16.920 Yeah.

00:54:17.480 I mean, I, what's a hard question to Putin?

00:54:20.040 Um, I mean, I just wanted to hear his view.

00:54:23.220 And I think one of the things, I mean, it's not about me.

00:54:25.700 That's kind of the point.

00:54:26.600 And that is one of the uglier things about journalism, if you can call it that it's all

00:54:31.400 the hair hats want to make it about them because that's why they're in television in the first

00:54:34.860 place, because they're so, they just like yearn for the adulation of strangers.

00:54:38.660 They're empty inside.

00:54:39.680 I don't care about the adulation of strangers.

00:54:41.860 I just was sincerely interested in who this guy is.

00:54:44.860 And I still don't think I know, but I learned a few things.

00:54:47.680 And one of them is he's very wounded by what he sees as the rejection of the West.

00:54:55.180 And, and I think it makes him angry, really angry.

00:54:58.880 I think he was angry at me about it.

00:54:59.880 I've got nothing to do with that.

00:55:00.920 Um, but no, I mean, the Soviet union ended in August of 1991.

00:55:04.700 I was on my honeymoon.

00:55:05.800 I'll never forget it because my family had been involved in the Cold War.

00:55:08.460 So like, this was a topic of conversation.

00:55:10.980 And the idea was, well, why can't we work together?

00:55:13.860 If not be friends, at least, you know, be allied in some way that's mutually beneficial.

00:55:18.800 Um, he, in 2000, this is a, he said this in the interview and it's true.

00:55:23.020 He asked Bill Clinton if Russia could join NATO.

00:55:27.280 Now NATO exists as a, as a bulwark against Russia, right?

00:55:31.100 So if Russia wants to join NATO, then there's no reason to have NATO.

00:55:35.000 And we can just call it a big win and go home and build our own countries, do something constructive.

00:55:40.080 Um, and they turned him down and it's like, I've never, no one seems to think that's a big thing.

00:55:44.480 I think it's a very big thing.

00:55:45.460 Why would NATO, which exists to control Russia, turn down Russia's entry into the alliance?

00:55:52.920 Like, it's insane.

00:55:53.780 And then he asked again, George W. Bush, I would like to be in a missile alliance with you against Iran.

00:55:59.360 And Bush is like, yeah, it sounds like a good idea.

00:56:01.240 And then Condi Rice, one of the dumbest people ever, uh, is like, no, we can't do that.

00:56:05.940 What, why can't we do that?

00:56:07.040 Why wouldn't that be in the interest of both of our countries?

00:56:09.680 And so you sort of come away thinking like, there's a lot more going on here than Russia's

00:56:15.120 unprovoked full-scale invasion of Ukraine.

00:56:17.660 That's not actually what happened.

00:56:19.600 Yes, Russia invaded Ukraine.

00:56:21.140 Yes, it's bad.

00:56:21.860 Hundreds of Americans have died.

00:56:23.240 Ukraine's been destroyed.

00:56:24.680 A small number of people have gotten very rich.

00:56:26.400 Boris Johnson hopes to get rich from it, um, et cetera, et cetera.

00:56:30.100 But there's a context here that does not make American policymakers look good at all.

00:56:35.460 In fact, it's shameful.

00:56:36.280 And the last thing I'll say is, you know, the point is to depose Putin, kill Putin, whatever,

00:56:40.920 get Putin out of office.

00:56:42.080 What happens then?

00:56:43.780 So Russia's the largest country in the world by landmass.

00:56:46.320 It has the world's largest stockpile of nuclear weapons.

00:56:49.000 It's an incredibly diverse country.

00:56:51.180 It's about 20% Muslim, all these different republics, 80 of them, I think.

00:56:55.320 And so what happens to the nuclear arsenal without Putin?

00:56:59.280 Is, is that good for the world?

00:57:01.100 Like, it sounds like chaos.

00:57:02.140 It sounds like the kind of chaos that we created in Iraq, in Syria, in Libya, Afghanistan.

00:57:07.620 None of that made the world safer.

00:57:09.120 None of it helped American interests.

00:57:10.660 It actually made the world much scarier, more volatile, and allowed China to surpass us

00:57:15.640 economically, which it has.

00:57:17.740 So, like, why would we want to do that to the biggest country in the world?

00:57:21.580 I think that's insane.

00:57:23.280 If you're powerful and wise, you seek to bring stability and order and predictability and peace.

00:57:30.100 That's what a father does in his family.

00:57:31.940 That's what a good CEO does in a company.

00:57:33.960 It's what a good general does.

00:57:35.440 But an abusive, abusive husband or father creates instability intentionally, always keeping people on the edge.

00:57:45.700 Exactly.

00:57:46.300 Can I ask you, you were such a, I don't mean this as a bad thing.

00:57:52.720 You're just such an odd individual in the fact that your dad was in government.

00:57:59.380 He was kind of obliquely in intelligence, too, wasn't he?

00:58:04.320 Or not?

00:58:05.480 Well, I applied to the CIA.

00:58:07.200 Okay, yeah.

00:58:07.940 Okay, but yeah, but you're, but you're.

00:58:10.740 Yeah, I grew up in a world like that for sure, yeah.

00:58:12.880 Okay.

00:58:13.220 And by the way, I couldn't think less of the CIA now, just to be completely clear.

00:58:16.220 I'm so grateful they turned.

00:58:17.240 Yeah, I know.

00:58:17.880 I used to have real respect for our agencies.

00:58:21.220 I think they're enemies of the state, quite honestly, or the people.

00:58:27.120 Let me, help me understand how you grew up.

00:58:32.540 I grew up working class.

00:58:35.020 And now I live a different life, but I always feel like I'm still working class, even though I'm not.

00:58:41.800 Okay?

00:58:42.880 You've never really been working class.

00:58:45.500 You've always been that upper class in the, in all of the places that make people into the leaders of tomorrow that are, that don't care about the people.

00:58:56.620 How, how is it that you have held on to something I don't think you ever really had?

00:59:04.800 And that is that, that average everyday citizen that is going out, punching a time clock and coming in and just trying to make ends meet.

00:59:15.560 Where did that come from with you?

00:59:18.540 Uh, well, I mean, I don't have that perspective.

00:59:20.560 I never have.

00:59:21.580 I mean, I've never, you know, I mean, no, I'm not from that background at all.

00:59:25.140 I'm from the opposite background for sure.

00:59:26.920 Every day of my life.

00:59:27.960 Um, and so I would never pretend to be the voice of the working class.

00:59:32.980 No, I know, but I don't think that, no, no, my, my motive comes from not, and I actually now live in a, in a working class area and I love the people there, but I'm not, that's not my world.

00:59:43.220 So my, I'm motivated by my loathing of the people in charge.

00:59:47.580 The one thing I know a lot about are the people who populate the ruling class.

00:59:51.800 Cause I spent my whole life with them.

00:59:53.360 I'm not against ruling classes.

00:59:54.840 Every society has one.

00:59:55.940 Someone's got to be in charge.

00:59:57.080 There's always an elect that runs everything.

00:59:58.620 They're always Brahmins.

00:59:59.500 Okay.

00:59:59.860 Always.

01:00:00.400 And there always will be.

01:00:01.240 So I'm not against it.

01:00:02.260 I'm not a populist in that sense.

01:00:03.980 I'm just against incompetent, selfish, nasty, stupid people being in charge.

01:00:09.140 And that's exactly who we have.

01:00:10.440 And I'm so mad about it because I know exactly who they are.

01:00:14.020 And so when you're telling me that Anthony Blinken is a statesman, I'm like, no, he's not.

01:00:17.780 He's like a low IQ political hack.

01:00:19.660 Who's acting for like personal reasons have nothing to do with the welfare of the United States in his Ukraine policy.

01:00:25.340 And I know that.

01:00:26.140 And I know them all.

01:00:27.140 And I know I live next to them my whole life, 35 years in DC.

01:00:30.400 So it's like, I'm not fooled by that.

01:00:32.780 Oh, well, I, you know, we're, I went to Harvard and, you know, and then HBS and I'm at the, you know, I spoke at Aspen this summer.

01:00:40.040 It's like, I know how mediocre that is because I've been around it my whole life.

01:00:43.780 So I'm just not impressed.

01:00:45.240 I don't want anything from them at all.

01:00:48.160 I'm not rich.

01:00:48.880 I have enough.

01:00:49.820 So it's like, I, I'm just in this weird position where I know exactly who they are.

01:00:53.640 I don't want their stupid little merit badges.

01:00:55.980 I couldn't have more contempt for them.

01:00:57.480 And I'm old enough now that like, why not just say it?

01:01:00.400 Right.

01:01:00.760 And I am, I just don't, I just don't care.

01:01:02.880 I'm going to keep saying it.

01:01:04.080 That's what makes you so dangerous.

01:01:07.520 So let me, and we've just got a couple of minutes.

01:01:09.800 Let me end with, you know, Max Benz and I heard your podcast with him.

01:01:17.420 Mike, Mike Benz.

01:01:19.300 No, is it?

01:01:19.720 It's Max, isn't it?

01:01:20.740 Max Benz.

01:01:21.240 Yeah.

01:01:21.320 No, no, Mike Benz.

01:01:22.360 Okay.

01:01:22.580 That guy's so smart.

01:01:23.520 So smart.

01:01:24.240 So smart.

01:01:24.760 And he, what he says is truly remarkable.

01:01:30.100 And you kind of listen to it and say, wow, all of this makes sense.

01:01:36.500 I think it's probably accurate and no way out, no way out that, you know, that doesn't

01:01:43.160 help America at all.

01:01:44.900 It doesn't help us to think no way out.

01:01:49.240 I'm much more of a optimistic catastrophist.

01:01:52.800 I think you're just generally an optimistic guy.

01:01:56.040 How do we navigate the next eight, nine months?

01:02:00.100 How do we bring people together with the armada that is arrayed against Americans?

01:02:08.280 I think it's really important to create a hierarchy of importance just in life and in

01:02:16.340 public policy and just every sphere of life, like decide what's most important.

01:02:19.800 What do I do first?

01:02:20.940 And my smartest friend, my wisest friend who's been really successful, um, just because he's

01:02:26.440 wise, always says, look, it, it comes down to food, water, energy.

01:02:29.820 You know, the countries rise and fall on the base of food, water, energy.

01:02:32.380 And every time he talks like that, he talks in terms of fundamentals, like what actually

01:02:35.980 matters.

01:02:36.640 It's not really about trans swimmers or black lives matter.

01:02:39.820 It's about energy, food, water, and it's about the use of force.

01:02:44.360 And so the number one thing you need to worry about in any country is the military.

01:02:50.140 And we just don't have a history of worrying about the military, but we should be very worried

01:02:53.760 about the military because that's where the guns are.

01:02:55.760 And so if you wanted to take a pop, a continental size country like ours, the population of 350

01:03:02.300 million people, and you wanted to subdue them, you would need force.

01:03:07.040 And so it's the, what was so striking about what Ben said was it's the DOD, it's the military

01:03:13.100 that is censoring us and they're doing it for political reasons.

01:03:16.700 And that is a completely different thing from say the democratic national committee or even

01:03:21.620 the FBI.

01:03:22.400 The military has to be nonpartisan.

01:03:24.560 It has to be controlled by elected officials, civilian control.

01:03:28.160 So the voters have some control over the military and conservatives.

01:03:31.440 And it's such a wonderful and clever op on the part of the left because conservatives just

01:03:36.320 imagine the people who serve in the military are just like them, but the officer corps is

01:03:39.900 not at all.

01:03:41.440 They're like speaking at the Aspen Institute.

01:03:43.140 They don't share your values.

01:03:44.040 They hate you.

01:03:44.580 They hate Christianity and they're, they're dangerous.

01:03:47.280 Now the average NCO or a lot of the enlisted guys are great and they're, you know, red blooded

01:03:52.220 Americans and all that.

01:03:53.160 But the leadership of the military is dangerous.

01:03:55.380 They're dangerous.

01:03:56.000 They're dangerous, not simply because of the many failed wars, uh, they've been involved

01:04:01.480 in, but because they're dangerous because they could be used against the U S population.

01:04:04.500 That's not crazy.

01:04:06.060 And adding, you know, hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens to the military over the next

01:04:13.560 10 years, which they absolutely plan to do.

01:04:15.360 Oh, and so I just think if you want to make the country better, focus on the big things.

01:04:20.600 Let's make sure the power grid works.

01:04:22.480 Let's make sure the military is not politicized and used against the population.

01:04:25.260 Like, let's just start there.

01:04:26.680 And those are the things that conservatives just miss because they're off on all this

01:04:30.560 other stuff.

01:04:31.060 No, no energy force of arms.

01:04:33.520 These are big things.

01:04:34.920 The bigger it is, the more important it is.

01:04:36.480 That's why I'm focused on Ukraine.

01:04:37.540 Cause it's like, it's a war.

01:04:39.700 People are getting killed.

01:04:40.960 What's more important than that?

01:04:42.060 Oh, shut up.

01:04:42.860 Leave it to the experts.

01:04:43.800 No, no, thanks.

01:04:45.660 I'm a citizen.

01:04:46.620 You know what I mean?

01:04:47.360 I can have a view.

01:04:50.180 Tucker.

01:04:51.060 Um, I think at first, both of us years ago, years ago, didn't know what to make of one

01:04:57.700 another.

01:04:58.740 Um, but tough times, uh, brings out the best in people.

01:05:04.900 And I have watched you over the last, uh, five years, just become one of the, the most

01:05:14.840 frank and honest, uh, journalists, uh, in America.

01:05:20.020 And I, uh, it's, it's, it's an honor to know you, especially at this time.

01:05:23.820 I, I, I hope you write down everything that you're doing every day because you are playing

01:05:28.280 a big role in history.

01:05:29.900 You are, you are, you are.

01:05:33.160 Well, it's accidental.

01:05:34.460 Trust me.

01:05:34.900 God bless you.

01:05:38.460 I appreciate it.

01:05:39.480 Thank you.

01:05:40.000 Great to see you, man.

01:05:40.300 God bless you.

01:05:46.340 Just a reminder.

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The Glenn Beck Program - February 20, 2024

Ep 210 ｜ Tucker Carlson Takes On Critics of His Interview with Putin ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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