The Glenn Beck Program - March 16, 2024


Ep 213 ｜ Is Too Much Therapy Hurting Our Kids？ ｜ Abigail Shrier ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast


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Abigail Schreier is no stranger to controversial topics. She became well known for her book Und irreversible damage where she exposed the transgender phenomena for what it was a social contagion. She is now being backed up by all kinds of research since that book came out. Now she s been proven right. She s now peeling back the curtain on our mental health establishment and what she found will in some way shock you. Her latest book is Bad Therapy: Why the Kids Aren t Growing up.

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00:00:00.000 and now a blaze media podcast you may have already noticed this but america's young people are
00:00:07.260 struggling hard one in six american children about between the ages of two and eight have
00:00:13.940 already been diagnosed with a mental behavioral or developmental disorder the american psychological
00:00:21.180 association says that more than 20 of the teens have a serious uh problem with suicide they have
00:00:28.900 seriously considered it a growing number of our young people are taking multiple psychiatric
00:00:34.300 drugs at once more and more they are telling us they are not okay the question is why what has gone
00:00:43.900 so drastically wrong is it them is it us is it the iphones what is it maybe our kids mental health
00:00:53.320 is just yet another victim of the expert class inserting themselves where they don't belong
00:00:59.080 and making a mess of our families we've listened to the experts when they told us how to raise our kids
00:01:05.300 we listen when they diagnosed them as some having some sort of disorder we listened when they offered
00:01:13.420 solutions that clearly haven't worked maybe it's time we tell the experts to take a hike my next
00:01:22.080 guest is no stranger to controversial topics she became well known for her book irreversible damage
00:01:27.300 where she exposed the transgender phenomena for what it was a social contagion she is now being 1.00
00:01:34.340 backed up by all kinds of research since that book came out she took a pounding for it now she's been
00:01:40.100 proven right she is now peeling back the curtain on our mental health establishment and what she found 0.99
00:01:46.020 i think will in some way shock you her latest book is bad therapy why the kids aren't growing up 0.86
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00:02:56.080 abigail how are you i'm doing great it's great to see you yeah it's good to see you again how's the
00:03:18.100 family we're good thanks for asking how's yours oh good uh i appreciate that you don't travel very
00:03:24.900 much because of your kids i think that's uh remarkable good for you um your new book is
00:03:32.480 uh filled with things that i think if you're a common sense person they occurred to you but i
00:03:40.800 also feel like people feel trapped uh in a way because we're dealing as parents we're dealing with
00:03:48.780 things we didn't deal with as kids um and i often say to my wife well i tell you what my grandfather
00:03:58.260 would say right and that's not what the world tells you to do right um and that's yeah go ahead
00:04:07.000 that that's exactly why i wrote the book i write the book because you know a lot of us have common
00:04:11.780 sense a lot of us have wisdom from our families and you know what it's good stuff that wisdom but
00:04:17.520 we don't have the proof you know people can you know conservatives you often hear conservatives
00:04:22.180 saying things like i've been yelling this from the rooftops for years well that doesn't do very much
00:04:27.160 good unfortunately sometimes so what i try to do is i go in i do a full investigation i bring them the
00:04:32.860 psychological research that is actually on the side of what our grandparents used to tell us
00:04:37.540 and now i say here go yeah i want to give parents the resources and also the metal to go in and say
00:04:44.740 i knew it i knew this was the right thing and i knew you all were were trying to put one over on
00:04:49.980 me and now i'm not going to let you well i tell you the the refreshing part of the book for me at least
00:04:55.100 is the experts i mean i think we went wrong as a society when we started holding experts up
00:05:05.020 uh as you know the experts say do this and we stopped listening to ourselves and that's one of
00:05:13.180 the bigger problems isn't it absolutely and especially when it comes to things that don't
00:05:18.540 require expertise raising good children good people into good citizens does not require expertise and it
00:05:27.660 doesn't require knowledge of the brain which most science you know most of these therapists will tell
00:05:32.000 you that it does and i went in and i looked at their you know often phony expert you know research
00:05:37.260 on the brain or very very limited very very crude and i wanted to give parents the the resources so
00:05:43.240 when that teachers and school administrations and therapists try to make them feel stupid or crazy
00:05:48.940 they know that they're in the right so what was the biggest shock that you found what were the
00:05:54.740 things that just you either just thought thank god i found this i know this or that shocks me i i had no
00:06:05.780 idea i think it would have to be the mental health surveys we're giving to kids which are terrifying
00:06:11.420 honestly i you know i wouldn't you normally use the words diabolical but but with giving kids a series
00:06:18.500 of methods have you tried this this for self-harm burning cutting choking um have you tried a choking
00:06:24.580 game here are some drugs have you tried the following drugs gammies and they use all the you
00:06:30.580 know the nicknames right i mean if you wanted to break down children teach them the world is a dark
00:06:35.340 place give them the impression that everyone is around them is engaging in self-harm right suicidal
00:06:40.660 ideation or all kinds of drugs uh these these surveys would be a great way to do it you know in
00:06:46.080 page 148 how mental surveys hurt students i read this and i was shocked uh during the past 12 months
00:06:53.460 did you ever feel so sad or hopeless almost every day for two weeks or more in a row that you stop
00:07:00.880 doing some unusual activities during the past 12 months did you ever seriously considering
00:07:05.920 consider attempting suicide the past 12 months did you make a plan about how you would attempt suicide
00:07:11.740 past 12 months how many times did you actually attempt suicide if you're attempting suicide in the last
00:07:17.280 12 months did any attempt to result in an injury poisoning or overdose that had to be treated by a doctor
00:07:22.900 a nurse and then it goes on about feeling sad and empty and hopeless and angry my gosh i mean this is so
00:07:32.500 far away from a childhood that i had and i know things have changed but our kids why is what they're
00:07:44.400 suggestible why is this happening and it's put out by the cdc that's what i want people to know it's put
00:07:50.800 out by our national mental health uh organizations it's it's all across the country they're giving
00:07:56.980 them in every school and i want parents to know something else at the bottom of these surveys they
00:08:01.820 often say that that if you're if this survey if the questions cause you distress maybe you should you
00:08:07.980 know here is our suicide hotline so even the authors of the surveys know they aren't good for kids
00:08:14.000 and you know it that kind of stuff shocks parents but what i did was i tried to bring in the research
00:08:20.020 to show that that parents better instincts that this is not good for kids is exactly what our research
00:08:24.980 on suicide and suicide contagion shows so give that exactly give that to me yeah so they did this
00:08:31.320 amazing um it's called the vienna suicide study uh subway suicide study and the reason was is there
00:08:37.520 was a spate of subway suicides in vienna austria uh in the 90s and what the researchers had found
00:08:44.560 was that valorizing the subject of a suicide um explaining methods details as a methods and
00:08:51.380 repeated mention of suicide were three things that led to suicide contagion so they stopped doing it in
00:08:58.000 vienna they had all the media stop publicizing this suicide they were able to depress the rate of
00:09:04.000 suicide by 75 and they kept it down for five years right what brought it back did they forget about
00:09:12.540 the lesson that they learned it's a great question i wonder if the media just stopped you know listening
00:09:17.460 to the ban stopped obeying the ban but they basically had all the media stop doing these things
00:09:22.580 and they the suicide rate plummeted well we talk about that we talk about that in um uh with copycat
00:09:30.100 killers we we don't do that so why are we doing it with suicide and expecting that it would be better
00:09:37.460 well i don't think we expect it would be better i think that our institutes of mental health in this
00:09:43.860 country have um a separate agenda i'm not sure why but the materials they're putting in front of
00:09:50.300 children the aggressive mental health interventions and i show this in the book are the opposite of what
00:09:56.760 you would do if you wanted resilient and healthy kids they are breaking kids down i don't i don't
00:10:01.880 know why but um but but that is no doubt the effect of what they're doing you talk about and this is so
00:10:08.060 true you talk about kids have monitors all the time and they're constantly being evaluated and watched
00:10:14.740 um you know from just parents you know not feeling kids are safe or whatever they're monitored all the
00:10:21.860 time and if you want somebody to uh do well at a subject the last thing you do is you have somebody
00:10:30.360 looking over their shoulder the whole time that just makes people nervous and anxious and um you know
00:10:36.320 and is that part of what our kids are feeling absolutely parents are tracking them on their phones
00:10:42.860 i mean one of the things wonderful psychologists i interviewed academic researchers that i interviewed
00:10:47.580 is peter gray who's a wonderful academic psychologist and he told me that in studies when they do
00:10:54.240 psychological studies on subjects the way they introduce stress if they want to introduce stress
00:10:59.500 is all they do is add monitoring and that's enough to create a stress condition for any subject
00:11:05.060 so you know i think the i and you talk about this i think the iphone
00:11:11.260 is a giant experiment that we're running on all of society all over the planet we have no idea it says
00:11:20.220 a lot to me that the people who make these things don't allow their children to have them but they're
00:11:27.040 pushing them for our children um but that doesn't explain the increase in suicide alone right right it
00:11:38.980 doesn't i mean i'll give you another statistic you know by 2016 according to the cdc one in six
00:11:45.460 american children between the ages of two and eight already had a mental health or behavioral diagnosis
00:11:50.800 now two to eight year olds weren't on the iphone and by the way i'm no defender of the iphone they
00:11:56.180 are terrible social media is awful and if we ban them and if we certainly if we took them out of the
00:12:00.760 schools it would be an incredible help and i and i think it's a no-brainer that we ought to do that
00:12:05.800 but but it doesn't explain why two to eight year olds were were diagnosed at that rate one in six
00:12:13.300 of them by 2016 no it doesn't they didn't have iphones and they didn't have social media so why why
00:12:20.260 were they diagnosed with that how did that happen is that just we're looking to find something
00:12:26.760 in our children and somebody's willing to give us a diagnosis a few things so i think that parents
00:12:34.820 were really uncomfortable asserting their own authority with children um and and they they very
00:12:40.780 much adopted what i call therapeutic parenting they always soliciting the kids feelings never
00:12:45.520 punishing always giving a kid options this is what they were told was healthy and they ended up with a
00:12:51.680 lot of ungovernable kids and then the kids went off to school and they had never heard the word no
00:12:57.680 and now you have a kid the teacher can't control and so the first stop is well maybe he there's
00:13:03.880 something wrong with him maybe he has oppositional defiant disorder maybe he has adhd and one of
00:13:08.700 the things parents told me is that one year a teacher would suggest an adhd diagnosis and the
00:13:14.000 next year they wouldn't they would think the next teacher would think they were great so the schools
00:13:19.160 of course were getting involved in the diagnosis business but they really they didn't know what they
00:13:23.740 were doing of course um which which shouldn't surprise anyone it really isn't their expertise but they
00:13:28.940 were no nonetheless because if you give a child a drug um it really does bolt them to their seat
00:13:34.880 depending on which medication you choose and it's unfortunately there's a conflict of interest there
00:13:40.100 i've had really a lot of friends pull their kids out of school because the teacher of the school
00:13:44.820 demanded that they put their child on drug on a drug and go ahead wow no they feel completely at
00:13:52.580 liberty to do that i mean that alone is astonishing i mean i i'll ask you this glenn how many parents
00:13:58.280 you know have gotten this email from their school you know we know the whatever the recent catastrophe
00:14:03.740 is the uvalde shoot shooting was was traumatic um you might not know how to talk to your children
00:14:10.000 about it here is what our staff a psych staff suggests for talking to your your children about
00:14:16.320 you know the the the mass murder well um you know the the school shooting um they they feel
00:14:23.200 they've all they've all become parenting experts they're all telling us how to talk to our own
00:14:27.420 children so i can i tell you um i think parents sometimes feel overwhelmed completely overwhelmed
00:14:39.480 um they're just trying to hold their head above water they feel very very alone um and i mean i've had
00:14:49.180 several suicides in my family uh my mom committed suicide my brother committed suicide i mean just
00:14:55.480 it's long pattern um and and so i'm very well aware of the signs i i'm i'm on hyper alert because
00:15:06.120 it seems to run through my family um and uh i had my son uh attempt suicide and
00:15:19.100 i immediately felt like i i i i don't know what to do i don't know what to do because the
00:15:25.260 the consequences are so high and the the advice of i'm so glad that i received was he knows you're
00:15:35.400 afraid of that so don't be afraid of that life goes on and i i thought that was insane at first
00:15:43.780 but he was right he was right whoever told you that is exactly that's brilliant i have had a few
00:15:51.720 very rare therapists tell me that yeah most of them of course immediately get in there they diagnose
00:15:56.940 they make the parents so anxious and you're right that is terrifying and what they do is they start
00:16:02.080 they start with the medications yes and um look i'm not against medication there are people who need
00:16:07.760 psychiatric medication there's no doubt but but you're but that person was where i've heard that
00:16:13.100 from other other people who say that you know kids can weaponize this too yeah and um cutting often
00:16:20.480 girls will weaponize cutting against their parents because they know it brings the entire household to 1.00
00:16:25.040 a halt you know their parents love them and they'll do anything the second they you know given to any
00:16:30.160 demand uh the second they go down they start with that so um you're right and whoever gave you that
00:16:36.220 advice was very wise because very often um you you let the experts in the door and they just go they
00:16:42.520 start diagnosing and they start with the medication and they don't stop i know i know um and as you
00:16:48.260 point out in the book this is uh going to be a problem i'm trying to remember uh he was the president
00:16:55.920 of google for a while uh schmidt and he said to me um this is probably 2009 or 10 he said glenn there's
00:17:05.980 going to come a time when children are going to have to change their name because there's going to
00:17:09.820 be so much information out there on them it will be almost impossible to go to a job interview okay
00:17:18.240 and he and i said what what how do you mean he said it's inescapable the information that's being
00:17:26.020 gathered and it will happen in job interviews probably in the mid 2020s you'll start to see this real
00:17:33.720 problem and here we are and you talk about that in the book yeah it's it's really interesting you
00:17:41.980 know these kids there's no question they spend way too much on time online way too little time with
00:17:48.120 each other i mean one of the things i say in the book is look i'm no parenting expert for sure but
00:17:52.940 what we have done is we've given kids an incredibly unhealthy life and then when they are bummed out when
00:17:58.400 they are stressed out we just pour in mental health resources expecting it to fix them and it doesn't
00:18:04.000 it often makes the condition worse because the problem is their life and you know i i suggest that
00:18:09.760 the the real thing to do is proceed by subtraction get some of the stuff out of your kid's life all the
00:18:16.080 unhealthy stuff like way too much tech um and give them back the healthy stuff the in-person stuff the
00:18:22.560 extended family all the stuff we know is good for them it's so weird i don't carry a cell phone um
00:18:28.720 you know i don't know i live my whole life without one and if you really needed to get a hold of me in
00:18:35.140 emergency people have you know um but my wife won't give one up my kids tell me there's no way dad we can
00:18:42.900 you know we got to have it no that's not true would you take the cell phone away from children
00:18:51.100 my my kids don't have them good so um i mean look my eldest boys are 13 so you know they haven't
00:18:59.680 they start high school next year we'll see what we do um we haven't we we certainly aren't giving
00:19:04.980 them the the full smartphone um you know whether we give them a flip phone or some version but
00:19:11.440 the kids have done fine bumming calls from their friends when they need to i know and you know
00:19:17.520 there's so many around the argument is they're going to be excuse the language socially retarded 0.84
00:19:24.320 they're not going to be able to function with all their friends it makes them weirdos outcasts and
00:19:32.140 tech is going to be such a huge part of their life oh it's the opposite actually if you want to know
00:19:38.620 the truth sorry um they're they're more socially adept because they have to talk to people they're way
00:19:44.180 more they have to ask directions i mean there's no question it's been a huge i mean the question
00:19:49.880 is only how much strength my husband and i have but the truth is is it is it good for them right it's
00:19:55.140 not even a question are you kidding me right they have better attention spans they have better i mean
00:20:00.540 it's definitely good for them and it's socially retarded are you kidding have you seen a kid who has 0.99
00:20:06.000 a phone early no i know there's nothing worse they don't make eye contact they you know can't sit
00:20:11.000 through a movie they'll text each other sitting next to each other right you're like lean over
00:20:17.020 and say something it's right you want to talk about socially backwards so so uh there's no question
00:20:24.460 getting that away from them and and a lot of other things that are bad for them you know the the the
00:20:30.520 isolation of kids today from community from higher purpose from a sense that they're connected
00:20:36.300 from hearing their grandparents stories and their you know cousins oh my gosh yes we they need this
00:20:42.500 stuff they need it because they're going to go through hard times and they need to know that their
00:20:46.760 people got through hard times i was sitting with my wife's mom last night at the table and my kids were
00:20:54.620 both out and she was just talking up just saying the stuff that my grandmother used to say and i so
00:21:02.320 wanted my kids in the house because they have to hear that and you may have hated it when you were
00:21:09.200 a kid because you're like oh that's that story again you know if i heard one more story about the
00:21:14.060 great depression when i was a kid but that makes a difference to me now a great difference that's
00:21:21.760 that's right you know i realized something we stopped telling those stories completely i remember
00:21:26.200 you remember the meme that used to go around like the the joke and it was on every greeting card
00:21:30.320 you know my my parents walked five miles up yeah right they held to school every day you don't
00:21:36.560 even see that meme anymore and the reason you don't is people stop telling what they're you know maybe
00:21:41.800 they exaggerated i don't know but we stopped telling those stories to our kids so now instead what we
00:21:47.120 do is attend to every minor hurt and worry they have it magnifies their worry and also they have no
00:21:53.660 proof that they come from tough people that people who have gotten through harder things you know
00:21:59.100 they're gonna need that i know they do um i i was struggling with some you know you know what
00:22:05.040 it's like to stand up against the mobs today and i was having a bad time and i started doing some
00:22:11.160 work on my family history and i found that my uh great uncle died in andersonville which was the
00:22:20.800 horrid prison camp in the south during the civil war and my uh my uh great great grandfather fought in
00:22:30.280 the civil war and was captured so they both went to andersonville but that gave me this sense of
00:22:38.420 i come from people who stand i come from people who have been in the worst i mean that's compared to
00:22:47.660 the concentration camps of the 30s they endured they endured um and it means something
00:22:54.380 that's exactly right you know i i interviewed one of the people i interviewed was this wonderful
00:23:00.240 harvard medical school psychiatrist whose parents had survived auschwitz and you know other concentration
00:23:06.380 camps and one of the they survived in the sewer pipes in poland they escaped to the sewer pipes and one
00:23:11.980 of the things he told me was that not only does that you know has that story given him strength
00:23:18.400 but also one of the things that that that made his parents that got them through was memories of their
00:23:25.420 families that they would replay in their mind these beautiful memories of their extended families
00:23:30.220 and just kept them going and he said he sees young harvard you know university students and he says
00:23:36.660 they don't know about their family histories why is that why have we stopped i think we decided we
00:23:46.660 were going to stop burdening our young people with their you know those stories instead we were going
00:23:51.520 to focus entirely on them as unique and atomized individuals it was the opposite of what we would do
00:23:58.900 if we wanted to actually give them a sense of well-being but we started treating them as so unique in the
00:24:04.460 world so precious that we ripped them from the social fabric we ripped them from the people
00:24:09.960 they're connected to we didn't want to burden them with it but we also didn't realize it would have
00:24:14.800 strengthened them too i have to tell you um because i've always felt my children are going to need
00:24:20.500 oodles of therapy because i've always treated them you know in appropriate ways like i treat them with
00:24:27.780 respect um and so they've gone all over the world with me they've been with presidents and but they're
00:24:36.180 expected to behave and listen and contribute if you can um uh and i talked to them about the world that's
00:24:44.200 going on and how different it is and that what's changing and i think my kids uh now that they're
00:24:51.840 you know 19 and 20 um are stronger because of that then they can they can have conversations with
00:25:01.960 anyone i i have no doubt that they are because the thing is that's what's good for kids skills
00:25:10.460 give them skills put them in hard situations like here's a president you have to make conversation
00:25:16.000 with whatever it is right and expect them to do it and have high expectations then they'll go out in
00:25:21.460 the world and they'll meet a new challenge and say i can talk to my boss i just talked to the president
00:25:25.520 so but is the problem is the problem them or us because like you just said i gotta tell you man
00:25:34.400 the you know netflix or whatever is such a great break at times and you feel like a bad parents you're
00:25:42.440 like you know what's in front of the tv for a while because you just need the break so is it us where
00:25:49.840 our parents or grandparents didn't get that opportunity to break right we're we're in
00:25:56.880 overload right we all are i mean you know everything can be ordered up instantly for us
00:26:03.600 we are flooded with information we are flooded with netflix as you say i mean you know people have
00:26:08.900 called it an addiction economy it really really is but but all that stuff we know and and by the way
00:26:14.920 obviously i partake of it too i'm not pointing fingers but what we know we have to proceed by
00:26:20.000 subtraction we know it's unhealthy it's not actually healthy for us to order up any show any time of day
00:26:26.880 or night and the reason it is is it's accommodating our every whim and then we are less we are less able
00:26:33.220 to sit through boredom or you know anything that displeases us it it makes us weaker in a way and
00:26:40.440 how do you do that in an now kind of environment how how do you how do you do that well well i think
00:26:52.340 there's a few things the easiest thing to do of course would be to ban phones during the school day
00:26:57.300 we don't even do that i mean that's a no-brainer right just don't let them text during the day when
00:27:03.400 they're actually with their friend right right i mean there is really no reason to be texting your
00:27:08.620 friend while you're with your friend um so that would be one obvious and very easy situation but
00:27:14.360 the other thing would just be to you know that that reconnect them in person to people who care
00:27:23.000 about them who love them make sure they see grandparents make sure they have cousins around
00:27:27.800 we we took them away we took everyone who was the non-expert away from the child because we decided
00:27:34.800 they their their child rearing wasn't expert so it was less good and we hired people the kids knew
00:27:41.080 they didn't really care about them you always know that and we in in that so doing we made them a lot
00:27:47.320 less resilient because mom got no or dad whoever was in charge got no pushback so there was no we
00:27:53.460 weren't subjecting kids to a range of different styles and approaches it was all one and it was all being
00:28:00.140 directed usually by mom and and usually she was directed by some mental health expert
00:28:05.340 so and increasingly so from the schools to um talk to me about you know um uh subtraction of things that
00:28:16.700 are harmful increasingly that's our school um i mean you know you are i think vindicated here especially
00:28:27.300 with the latest reports coming out on your first book um i mean that is extraordinarily harmful
00:28:34.520 uh to to our kids um and and yet all of this stuff is being preached at school can you
00:28:46.260 do it with your kids in school or is that too much of an influence of the negative it's it's a really good
00:28:55.000 question i guess it depends on the school but is school a problem schools are not your friend
00:29:00.160 and when you they are not parents friends and when they say that oh this we're just having the mental
00:29:06.300 health experts meet you know talk to your kids they're not your friends either right that's what
00:29:11.600 parents need to know and why do you show me why you say that well because a few things first of all
00:29:19.220 the you know the last book i wrote was all about an epidemic that was largely encouraged by school
00:29:24.460 counselors right um that's what they would do they would you know affirm a child's transgender
00:29:29.980 identity and deceive parents the act of the school policy was and still is in many places to lie to the
00:29:37.020 parents and as i show in the book the social emotional learning uh uh exercises are very much the
00:29:43.760 same the parents they don't even call them parents caregivers that's what we're reduced to
00:29:48.400 are outsiders and what who presides over it all the teacher the school counselor and they know best
00:29:55.180 they are the trusted adults that are always talked about in the materials and it's the same sort of
00:30:00.960 thing the the um effort to undermine child parent relationships and is is real and i have to tell you
00:30:08.000 that's what i argue in the book would happen and after i finished the book two studies came out
00:30:13.720 the researchers in europe were looking into the same things that i was claiming in the book
00:30:18.320 in europe they were doing these social emotional exercises with the kids in both australia and the uk
00:30:25.080 and um and two major reports came out this is academic research peer-reviewed and they said that these
00:30:32.520 techniques with kids the coping mechanisms uh the emotional dysregulate the emotional regulation
00:30:38.620 techniques were making kids sadder more anxious and more alienated from their parents so and it's
00:30:45.300 the same thing so explain that to me the coping mechanisms everybody thinks oh you know just give
00:30:51.400 them something to fidget with or give them you know a stress ball or they've could they count to 10 and
00:30:57.420 breathe why are those so bad well because they start by saying think about a time when you were sad
00:31:03.860 does anyone want to share a time when you were disappointed or let down or sad so now we're
00:31:10.080 increasing what they call rumination the really the number one symptom of depression which is
00:31:15.680 dwelling on a past pain because in order to teach the mechanisms you have to first to induce
00:31:21.280 sadness in the group right if there's happiness there's nothing to teach them if you're asking about
00:31:26.620 a time that was great in your life there's nothing to teach so you start by inducing sadness in the in
00:31:33.000 the class which of course is bonkers but but let me let me tell you something else who's in charge of
00:31:39.860 keeping a child well and safe the parents so inevitably it tees up criticism of parents why
00:31:47.300 what was happening well my mom went out that day or my mom didn't have time to look at my homework and
00:31:53.360 i was really sad the the criticism of the parent is almost inevitable because you're asking kids
00:31:58.600 with this authority to talk about a time when they were sad to share their trauma well whose fault is
00:32:04.920 that that the child was traumatized so can i jump to this um because there's another thing that was
00:32:11.380 uh shocking to me in the book where um through uh sel they are asking i can't remember here it is
00:32:21.460 homework i spy and uh seventh graders are encouraged to play a game that might be called
00:32:30.460 hero of the soviet union you're a private investigator it prompts you've been hired by
00:32:36.380 an unnamed source to spy on your family the source wants to find out all the various feelings
00:32:42.660 that one or more of your family members have while doing activities at home you won't be able to talk to
00:32:48.960 your family you don't want to blow your cover so you'll have to use your keen skills of observation
00:32:54.700 and they're trying to find out from the kids through the parents body language and the family's body
00:33:03.580 language what's happening in the family this is like nazis are as you say hero of the soviet union
00:33:10.680 i mean they're asking kids to spy on their families and report back and that's a direct quote from the
00:33:17.060 social emotional learning materials and you know i i like that exercise because it just makes explicit
00:33:23.460 what all the others it runs it's a theme that runs through all the exercise you know so many of the
00:33:28.380 exercises i looked at which are look we're here to talk about your emotions think about a time when you
00:33:33.940 might be sad oh then bring it into class and remember that all these teachers and school counselors are
00:33:39.780 mandatory reporters to child services so anything they hear about that sounds fishy to them
00:33:45.640 like parent yelling at them which they in some of the materials indicate is abusive in their view
00:33:52.740 um they can easily call child services on um and that's that's how they're thinking they're encouraging
00:33:59.420 children to think with them about whether their parents are doing a good job so let me ask you um
00:34:05.940 and i don't know if you can answer this but um you know when um
00:34:10.640 when medicine was introduced to put you under for a surgery the surgeons didn't like it and the
00:34:20.280 surgeons fought against it because at the time what made a good surgeon was a fast cut somebody who
00:34:31.040 could go in and amputate a leg the fastest okay somebody who could go in and remove something
00:34:37.960 the fastest it wasn't the best it was make it stop fast okay so when they introduced ether a lot of
00:34:48.700 these doctors knew wait a minute i'm fast i'm not necessarily good i'm fast and so the standards
00:34:56.840 changed and a lot of the doctors fought against anesthesia wow do you have any idea are these
00:35:05.000 is this is this whole thing just self-perpetuating on what the stupidity on ego on what what is the
00:35:19.360 motivation when you can show this stuff is harmful right so i i tried to go back and go through the
00:35:27.200 psychological research to prove that it's harmful because it's not just our instincts i mean what i
00:35:32.220 wanted parents to know is not just common sense there's real data and real research showing that
00:35:36.960 all of this is harmful it's exactly what you want all of these programs in in schools these social
00:35:43.360 emotional programs um the expanded psych staffs the go see the school counselor and the all the
00:35:49.600 accommodation for kids who don't need it it's exactly what you would do if you wanted to make kids
00:35:54.240 weaker if you wanted to break kids down and you can't track motive at all i mean because it's an
00:36:02.860 industry right i mean it's grown i can only tell you that since 1986 nearly every decade has seen a
00:36:10.580 doubling in our expenditure on mental health and the lion's share of that is going to young people it's
00:36:16.220 going to kids and adolescents they have presided over the worst downward spiral of mental health
00:36:22.540 um that we've seen and they've been you know working on us the whole time and that's the
00:36:28.440 problem as i you know as i argue the rates of incidence of problem of disease of disorder should
00:36:34.960 be going down with increased treatment instead it's been skyrocketing um and i don't think that's
00:36:40.760 an accident i don't think that the treatments are not only unhelpful they're counterproductive
00:36:45.400 they're making the problem worse getting kids to constantly focus on their feelings
00:36:49.780 talk about their sad feelings focus on each other's feelings they're creating a tyranny of
00:36:55.260 feelings and they're tyrannizing themselves and tyrannizing each other so let me just play devil's
00:36:59.620 advocate here for a second um my father had some horrible things happen to him when he was young
00:37:08.460 horrible his father did things to him that just are unspeakable he never told anyone in the family
00:37:18.560 until about 15 years before he died he told me because i asked him questions dad why were you so
00:37:30.960 distant i remember a fishing trip and i said that was just the weirdest awkward moment of our relationship
00:37:39.840 do you remember that and he told me what happened on a fishing he remembered that and he told me what
00:37:47.000 he was trying to avoid uh because that was such bad memories and i wanted to go fishing uh so he took me
00:37:54.600 um you know there are some things that you should share and delve and and and open up about the old
00:38:03.960 generation world war ii they never talked about it never now everybody's pouring their feelings out
00:38:12.360 is there a happy medium well let's question it's it's a good question here's what i'll say
00:38:19.480 two things um one is that even the most traumatized people who've gone through horrible things and have been
00:38:26.600 in some ways scarred by it aren't necessarily helped by talk therapy okay so it's not always a good thing to
00:38:35.080 just get it out sometimes people know that not talking about it is best i interviewed a wonderful
00:38:41.560 man richard bing who who works with ex-convicts in plymouth england and these kids these people
00:38:47.560 these ex-convicts went through unbelievable abuses children and he said sometimes the best way to help
00:38:54.120 them is not by pushing them to talk about it because it's re-traumatizing and here's what i'm afraid of
00:39:00.280 in the schools we're not helping the kids who didn't start out with problems because we're
00:39:05.480 encouraging them to think of themselves as traumatized when they aren't and we're not
00:39:09.880 helping the kids who were traumatized why because having a counselor or a school teacher casually
00:39:17.320 ask you about your bad feelings right before your math test when you went through some serious pain you
00:39:23.880 don't need a counselor who's going to take the summer off you need you may need serious intervention
00:39:30.200 on an ongoing basis but having your teacher inquire about your past pain with the class is
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00:41:27.240 now back to abigail this is i'm so i'm so glad you are the one who is doing all this research because um
00:41:35.400 um this is a hard case to make to moms and to people who are who are naturally nurturing you know it's
00:41:47.080 one thing for a guy to say buck up buttercup it's another for a mom to say no this is not good how do you
00:41:56.280 convince the people who really just think they're doing the right thing for their kids
00:42:03.480 kids by keeping them in swaddling clothes well here's the problem it's not that we need to change
00:42:12.600 every mom okay the problem is there's no balance the dads no one is telling them you're fine shake
00:42:20.040 it off no one is saying you'll live remember we used to hear that all the time you'll live every adult
00:42:26.120 used to say it now no one says it not even their soccer coach is allowed to say it so the problem is not
00:42:32.760 is not that moms you know are over coddling or dads are over coddling it's that there's absolutely no
00:42:37.960 balance and the dad is very often told you don't know what you're doing i know i talked to the
00:42:43.240 expert yes you have to get on the program yes and it in my mind the biggest change in the last
00:42:48.920 generation has not been moms it's been dads there's there they don't feel like their way their instincts
00:42:55.960 are good they feel like they're inexpert and backwards that's what they've been told and they're afraid to
00:43:01.240 do any you know give the kid any balance so it's interesting because i have a wonderful wife we have
00:43:06.920 a great relationship and we talk about everything when it comes to the kids and disciplining the kids
00:43:13.240 and we both feel that there is to everything there is a season sometimes dad needs to handle it
00:43:21.800 sometimes mom needs to handle it mom doesn't understand how to handle the boy and i don't necessarily
00:43:30.040 understand how to handle the girl because i i mean everything when i say something to my daughter
00:43:36.840 every my wife sometimes will look at me like what the hell are you even thinking i don't know i you 1.00
00:43:42.360 know and she does that to my son my son will walk out of the room and i'll say what that what that's just
00:43:49.640 that plays into everything it is you know and it takes that balance you have to have that balance of no
00:44:01.000 but i love you right but no exactly yeah exactly right it never needs to be cold the idea that
00:44:09.480 you know if you tell a kid no we're going back to some you know era of the 50s or whatever imagined
00:44:15.000 era where parents were authoritarian and cold no there's these kids never hear the word no they're
00:44:21.080 all the you know gentle parenting therapists are telling parents never say it it's cruel never
00:44:26.680 punish that that'll cause emotional injury these kids are never being told you'll live and the
00:44:33.080 problem is kids don't know they're looking to parents to decide should i cry now should i lie on the
00:44:40.280 field or should i try to get up that's so great there's nothing better than when you're a parent
00:44:46.600 you learn this quickly kid falls and you go who just fell down and they laugh you say oh my gosh they
00:44:55.880 immediately cry they do look to you it's amazing exact um that's exactly yeah so the um
00:45:05.480 the experts are out there and they are growing and growing in power and stature and yet
00:45:16.760 you are proving that they are part of the problem um like the um the american pediatric association
00:45:27.000 where the hell were they during covid exactly exactly the mental health experts who now hold
00:45:33.800 themselves as the solution to the problem had nothing to say when we were heading into a second
00:45:40.120 year of lockdowns for these children and by the way it was obvious every parent knew it parents
00:45:46.200 protested and they were ignored but you know what the american psychological association the american
00:45:50.840 psychiatric association school counselors association you know what they've been preoccupied by
00:45:55.640 and and some of them went to congress to lecture on police tactics climate change um you know
00:46:02.040 racial inequities that's what they had time to lecture the public now on now they think there's
00:46:07.400 the solution to kids mental problem mental health problems when they had nothing to say about
00:46:12.600 the most foreseeable catastrophe how is this affecting us because i just thought about this today
00:46:18.520 where you know the this week the state of the union was happening and they're going to talk about
00:46:24.280 um ivf and i thought wow we're we're in a psychological war with china there are people that want to go to war
00:46:37.320 in ukraine our economy is falling apart kids are killing themselves we've got fentanyl coming across the border
00:46:45.640 and you want to talk about what not that it's not important but are you kidding me it's we're t we
00:46:54.440 we're not teaching critical thinking and we're not teaching priorities
00:47:01.160 it's a big problem i i i couldn't agree with you more here i just you know uh i think that's why the
00:47:08.600 group that i trust the most is parents they're the only ones with skin in the game they're the only ones
00:47:14.280 who are laser focused but they are beaten down they're beaten down that's right but i write for
00:47:22.120 them i mean that's what i try to get my books into the hands of parents so that they can go in and
00:47:27.480 whatever decision they want to make at least they have more information so what is the um
00:47:37.080 what is the difference in the generations far as generation z disconnecting from
00:47:43.960 the parents yet living in the house um you know not not paying for it not not even getting a
00:47:51.000 driver's license it's a different world and the tendency is to say well it's a new generation
00:48:00.600 i've thought of this a million times my grandfather um he would do things and say things that we'd all go
00:48:09.160 like he's just grandpa okay uh because times changed and now i'm wondering am i just am i just
00:48:19.240 out of step and all of this stuff is has moved past me and i it's you can't say
00:48:28.360 suck it up put the damn phone away go outside and find some rocks and some sticks and build something
00:48:35.960 you know i i think that um there's no question times have changed but the the problem with this
00:48:45.720 generation is it's so manifestly suffering and more importantly they're not even proud of themselves 1.00
00:48:53.000 they think they're weak because the truth is look hairstyles may change fashion may change but a man
00:48:59.240 a young man or a woman who's living at home with parents because she can't hold down a job and there's
00:49:05.000 nothing wrong with her she's living you know the the number of young people 18 to 25 who are living
00:49:10.600 with their parents choosing to um is alarming um and it's because you know with with our even with
00:49:17.160 our low unemployment they don't want to leave the house they don't want to take on adult 0.99
00:49:22.360 responsibilities and they're not really proud of themselves either um that's the thing when you have
00:49:27.640 capacity when you can do things in the world when you feel efficacious you also feel good i mean
00:49:33.640 as i say in the book you know adulthood is actually the cure for adolescent angst so when we help
00:49:40.120 them avoid adulthood and all responsibilities we're really doing them a disservice um that same therapist
00:49:47.240 told me start adopting the phrase huh that's going to be interesting to see how you work that out
00:49:56.040 and it takes i love that i know it takes all of the responsibility that they're trying to shove on
00:50:03.560 you and you say no it's your turn now you gotta do it and i'm gonna have a good time watching you figure
00:50:10.200 that out because i know you'll come up with the solution good luck to you well you know it's also a way
00:50:17.800 i love that and it's also a way of telling your kids i believe you can yes see when you rush in to
00:50:24.520 solve every problem what you're telling them is this is above your pay grade you can't and you must always
00:50:30.200 check in with me can empathy make us mean yes yes it can it goes along with and there's great research on
00:50:42.440 this empathy goes along with an amazing cruelty to the out group so it preferences the feelings of
00:50:48.360 the in group or or the you know whoever the victim is at the expense of the out group and in fact
00:50:55.080 there's a wonderful psychology academic psychologist paul bloom who wrote a wonderful book about this
00:50:59.480 called against empathy but what he says in the book is that if you make fairness your guide you can
00:51:05.160 treat everyone fairly but if you make empathy your guide we only have the ability we're only built to
00:51:11.240 empathize with one or two people at the same time we can't do it so what it often goes along with is
00:51:17.160 great cruelty to everyone else that seems to be what is happening throughout the world they're teaching
00:51:26.360 equity they're teaching social justice and i mean i see it now on the streets with um with people who
00:51:37.160 will just say you know all those people just need to be rounded up you know they're just really they're
00:51:42.040 really a problem and they just need to go away you know i had somebody on the air this is years ago but
00:51:47.160 i always use it as an example but it's happening now a guy who was a palestinian called my show right 0.99
00:51:53.800 after september 11 and said look we wouldn't have a problem with all these jews if there just weren't all 1.00
00:51:58.680 those jews and you i empathize with the palestinian people i empathize with the people that are now
00:52:07.960 homeless but i also look at this and you have to say you have to have a right or wrong first you have to
00:52:17.480 know i'm sorry you are paying a price but the germans also paid a price because they were putting people 1.00
00:52:24.680 in ovens and until you stop that behavior and you all look at each other go we shouldn't vote that
00:52:32.040 way anymore you i can't i can't help you does that make sense yes yes it does you know the problem
00:52:40.600 with therapy in general a therapeutic or empathetic approach is that it's amoral there's that's the whole
00:52:46.360 point of therapy it's non-judgmental and that if that is your only guide and i'm not saying therapy can
00:52:52.360 never be useful of course it can but if that is your only guide if empathy is your only guide then
00:52:58.040 you're going to lead to what we're seeing now we're seeing now stores in san francisco that have no
00:53:02.360 zionists allowed sign uh which is the same thing as saying no believe it or not believe it or not
00:53:07.400 that's not san francisco that's salt lake city wow yeah wow yeah wow uh i mean that's what i'm saying
00:53:17.480 we're seeing this across the country and they have tremendous empathy what they don't have is
00:53:22.120 decency so can we talk on a larger scale um
00:53:30.680 i've seen a lot in my life i'm i'm a wannabe historian and self-educated guy just read a lot
00:53:38.200 and and study history i see the patterns and the cycles that repeat um and i think we're coming to
00:53:48.040 the end of this cycle where we'll start to swing back now usually you don't without real tragedy
00:53:57.000 but people are starting to white wake up some and go you know none of this is working what are we doing
00:54:04.440 but i don't know if we can do it in time um are you optimistic about society and
00:54:12.280 and and the future of where we are as a as a people and a civilization
00:54:20.120 you know i'm optimistic about some of it um yes and here's here's the thing a lot of our biggest
00:54:28.040 problems we can solve so the way kids are being raised we can fix that that's really easy it starts
00:54:34.440 in your home and you can absolutely get the bad influences out um you know obviously we have
00:54:41.720 certain problems in the country we can't we have this open border right now i don't know if if we
00:54:47.720 remain unserious about that i just don't know how we won't end up looking like europe um so yes you know
00:54:55.960 i i i with this open border we know that there are people coming in that wish us ill it took 19 hijackers
00:55:04.440 if we have uh another terrorist attack and it's a bad one i could see good people just saying 0.99
00:55:16.360 make it stop i don't care how you make it stop make it stop and you know empathy and compassion and
00:55:26.760 reason and justice and all of that stuff goes way out the window and and you're seeing this um
00:55:37.160 anger and the unwillingness to use reason that's what concerns me and we're seeing this
00:55:46.200 honestly all this you know the climate hysteria that you see on the left where parents were
00:55:52.360 so working their children up about the world ending and honestly the parents needed mental health care
00:55:59.480 in many cases i mean uh you know there's an incredible study that came out from gene twangy
00:56:04.280 showing that conservative boys from sorry boys from liberal families had worse mental health than
00:56:11.000 girls from conservative families why and so we don't know why there are a lot of theories but 1.00
00:56:18.360 clearly a few things one it's clearly environmental it's clearly the the the what we're surrounding
00:56:25.080 them with right right it's also clearly not social media girls are on a lot more social media than 1.00
00:56:30.680 boys and that's true of every kind of political family you know whatever the family boys are more
00:56:36.360 suicidal in liberal families than conservative girls yes they in in terms of anxiety and depression the
00:56:44.920 girls at from conservative families are doing better now there are a few reasons that might be one 0.99
00:56:50.360 parents are much less likely to hand the family over to a mental health expert and bring a mental health
00:56:56.120 expert in the door okay um so there's that but also um you know religion sense of higher purpose all
00:57:04.520 community all things we know are good for kids these aren't expensive see that's what i'm optimistic
00:57:11.160 about all of these solutions don't cost anything i know it doesn't cost anything to keep a phone from
00:57:16.920 your child it only costs you give it to them right so so it's yeah no go ahead so the biggest things we
00:57:24.600 can give them grandparents independence genuine independence teaching them a skill and then having them go out
00:57:30.760 and use it whatever it is all these things that are so good for them they actually don't cost any money
00:57:37.480 and um we can do them easily ourselves and and you say look we're sending kids off to these schools and
00:57:43.560 god knows what's in the school and that's true and some parents may want to just pull their kids out of
00:57:48.440 school but you know what we can do we can make sure that before our kids go off to school they know what we
00:57:53.480 believe they know what's true if you arm them with that you're already giving them a leg up and i have
00:58:01.800 told my kids look sitting around talking about your feelings is just a way to make you sad you're fine i
00:58:07.960 wanted to talk to you about religion and its role you said that they have to have something bigger than
00:58:13.000 themselves but the schools are actually saying social justice it's bigger than you racism bigger
00:58:23.160 than you you have to stop caring so much about you and solve this global warming it's bigger than you
00:58:32.600 why it doesn't the bigger than you work there and it does many times with god
00:58:38.920 because they're they're what they're doing is marinating in a victimhood right so either the
00:58:46.440 victimhood of my diagnosis the victimhood of my white of the white oppression the victimhood of my
00:58:51.800 you know gay identity lgbtq plus identity whatever it is it's incapacitating all of those identities are 0.99
00:58:59.080 saying to a kid you're limited you can't you're oppressed it's extraordinarily unhealthy um it's the
00:59:06.760 opposite of what you would do if you were say in favor of a liberal movement or the civil rights
00:59:11.400 movement and you wanted to make a positive change in the world yeah that's very very different from
00:59:15.960 sitting around saying everyone's oppressed you um now let's take to the streets and talk about how
00:59:21.160 the world's going to end yeah i i um i i think you're right on that it's it's i tried to swear off the
00:59:29.480 word evil because i think it's thrown around too much there is evil and it's identified october 7th
00:59:37.320 that was evil um but uh i couldn't think of another word when it came to
00:59:46.760 an ideology that was preaching there's no forgiveness there's no way back and you won't
00:59:56.280 make it unless you stop this it's just evil it just destroys people i i think that we're getting
01:00:06.360 there's a lot of nihilism on the left but unfortunately there's a growing amount of
01:00:10.200 gloom and doom on the right as well and there there there is this increasingly strong you know
01:00:16.440 you know you see it in the andrew tate type of things where it's very dark and it's turning people
01:00:22.760 against things like marriage and family and the idea is we should give up on all those things well
01:00:28.360 those things are ultimately the best things in life yes and and telling people to give up on this
01:00:34.680 country when it's done such remarkable things for all of us is is really not a great message for kids
01:00:41.640 and it's it's not right i'm sorry it's not the right thing to do i i agree with you um which brings me
01:00:47.640 back to action oriented and state oriented talk about that so sure so there's a reason that the
01:00:56.520 best you know football coaches at halftime you know say let's focus on the game ahead here's what
01:01:02.120 we have to do you do this you go do this you cover him whatever it is they lay out a plan and they focus
01:01:08.360 every player on the task ahead why because it turns out if you have a task or or a goal orientation you are
01:01:16.760 more likely to complete it but if you adopt the opposite orientation and they say to kids so how
01:01:24.200 are you doing with your parents divorce at halftime if you focus on your own feelings and state you are
01:01:30.680 less likely to be able to complete any task that's what our schools are doing to kids in the middle of
01:01:36.120 the day they're asking kids tell me how you're feeling we're just doing an emotions check-in how are you
01:01:42.200 feeling right before the kids have to do something really hard like take a math test it's the
01:01:47.480 opposite of what we should be doing if we want them to actually be successful and everything in
01:01:52.680 society is is it used to be action-based i mean i remember you know i pout or something my mom would say
01:02:02.840 clean your room you'll feel better um you know go out and do something go out and and make something
01:02:10.840 produce something make somebody happy do something and now it's all me me me me me and you get trapped
01:02:18.520 in that to the point where you can't take action you're just paralyzed exactly i mean nobody's saying
01:02:25.960 that if you have a broken a kid with a broken leg you tell him to keep playing soccer right so nobody is
01:02:32.280 saying that the point is for minor injuries or minor disappointments telling a kid to go out and do
01:02:39.240 something is an incredible way of actually lifting them up and every study has showed this the recent
01:02:46.200 most recent study was that i think came out a week or so ago was that dancing does more for your mental
01:02:51.800 health it does more for moderate to mild to moderate depression than antidepressants or or therapy
01:02:59.800 getting out and moving any exercise is remarkably good at lifting your mood and instead we're giving
01:03:08.360 kids an unhealthy life and then we're putting them on a series of antidepressants it's not helping so i
01:03:13.720 remember um i didn't really because we didn't label things when i was growing up um riddled with add
01:03:21.480 i didn't know it didn't didn't care didn't make a difference and i think i was probably 35 when my staff
01:03:30.120 finally we were talking about add in the news and i'm like a bunch of hogwash and uh and they said uh
01:03:36.600 glenn you know somebody that has add like crazy and i'm like who and they all said you and so we had
01:03:46.680 a doctor i'm like no i know had a doctor come in and and analyze on the air and oh he got like three
01:03:53.320 questions in and he's like you are a case study for add and uh so one of the doctors at nyu
01:04:02.840 um was writing a writing a book about add and how you can either look at that as a blessing or a curse
01:04:12.680 and it's it's a blessing if you adapt if you're giving your kids medication which by the way i tried
01:04:23.080 medication for add it'll screw with you so many different ways your kid doesn't know what sides
01:04:31.000 of his personality is good and what's bad and what to shave off never give that stuff to your kids
01:04:38.840 um and then uh and so one day the the doctor said explain your day how do you do your job and i
01:04:47.880 explained what's in front of me what's in my ear and everything else he said don't you realize people
01:04:53.400 with add either end up under a bridge or they're very successful because they've learned how to
01:04:59.480 process so much stuff all at once we're taking blessings and making them into curses i i love that
01:05:08.520 what you just said is perfect that's exactly right that's exactly what i talk about in the book the
01:05:13.400 number of people who are wildly successful with untreated adhd is shocking shocking now that doesn't
01:05:20.120 mean you don't do you know you don't adapt in certain ways handing your kid a phone all the time
01:05:25.080 you know to play on youtube when they already are having a trouble with attention it's probably not
01:05:29.800 great you know right right but i'll tell you something else you know what they do in other
01:05:35.320 countries this is amazing this i interviewed this wonderful woman who's a cross-cultural psychologist
01:05:40.040 and she showed me pictures of classrooms in china and russia and other countries and you know they're
01:05:47.080 completely bare and do you know why because they want all kids to focus on the teacher at the front
01:05:54.200 so there are these bare classrooms with the only interesting thing is maybe the alphabet at the
01:05:59.320 front of the room what we do in in america is we create child's classrooms looks like mardi gras
01:06:06.200 celebrations right and then you have kids with attention spans well i mean in my my kids classroom
01:06:11.880 they had a working um traffic light that would go from red to yellow to green i'm not saying you
01:06:18.040 know that wasn't fun but i'm just saying like we give these kids these crazy environments and then
01:06:23.960 we're shocked when they can't you know pay attention um whereas we we could do more to help them
01:06:31.000 but but in any case you're right these things become amazing strengths see there are no quirky people
01:06:36.920 in the next generation they all just have a mental health diagnosis abigail thank you so much for
01:06:43.880 all of your hard work thank you for being brave enough to do the things that you've done and uh and
01:06:50.760 really put yourself out there it's you are um in in my book you are um a true courageous woman who
01:07:02.120 will be remembered for a long time thank you that's so kind of you to say it it's always great to
01:07:08.040 talk to you glenn it's great to talk to you the name of the book um read it you will feel vindicated
01:07:14.200 um but you'll understand why and you'll be able to teach it to others bad therapy why the kids
01:07:20.280 aren't growing up by abigail schreier thank you abigail thank you so much you bet
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