The Glenn Beck Program - Ep 214 ｜ Christian Scientist DESTROYS Darwin, Provides PROOF of God

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00:00:11.960 You look up.

00:00:13.920 You see all of the stars.

00:00:16.600 What are you thinking about?

00:00:20.260 Staring into space has a way of reminding all of us just how little we know about the universe and how small we each are.

00:00:28.680 It makes us ask questions like,

00:00:32.940 Where are we? What is our purpose?

00:00:37.960 This planet is so amazing, just floating in space.

00:00:43.360 How did this all happen?

00:00:47.280 Now, imagine you're an astrophysicist, and starry nights are your business.

00:00:53.380 Don't you think all of that time looking at the cosmos may just make you ask a question or two about how we all ended up on this big rock?

00:01:04.800 Today, my guest is an astrophysicist who has spent his whole life looking at the sky.

00:01:13.640 Not so surprising, that's where he found God, looking right back down on him.

00:01:19.980 Since then, he's been on a mission to rebuild the bridge between faith and reason, faith and science.

00:01:25.840 Because we're together today because of a potentially explosive topic.

00:01:35.400 I just want to find out how the earth was created.

00:01:39.520 No big deal.

00:01:41.220 Welcome astrophysicist, Dr. Hugh Ross.

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00:03:27.900 Welcome, Dr. Ross.

00:03:29.080 How are you?

00:03:29.680 Doing well, thank you.

00:03:30.480 Can I call you Hugh?

00:03:31.300 Oh, yeah, definitely.

00:03:32.420 So, I'm fascinated by you because you found God through science.

00:03:40.980 Yes.

00:03:41.640 Explain.

00:03:42.800 Well, I was one of these nerdy kids.

00:03:45.080 When I was seven years of age, our school teacher took us to the Vancouver Public Library.

00:03:50.120 I wound up getting a card.

00:03:51.440 I brought home five books on physics and astronomy that day.

00:03:54.420 Wow.

00:03:54.840 And every weekend, that's what I would do.

00:03:56.900 I would go to the library and get another five books.

00:04:00.600 And every year, I would study a different sub-discipline of astronomy.

00:04:04.120 So, one year was stellar atmospheres.

00:04:07.640 Another one was stellar interiors, galaxy formation.

00:04:10.080 At age 16, I devoted that year to studying cosmology, the science of the origin and history of the universe.

00:04:16.560 And that's when there is a major debate.

00:04:19.040 Is it a steady state?

00:04:20.580 Mm-hmm.

00:04:20.920 Is it an oscillating universe or a reincarnating universe, hesitating universe, or Big Bang?

00:04:26.920 But I could see that the observations were heavily favoring the Big Bang.

00:04:30.880 So, hang on just a sec.

00:04:32.540 Cosmology, that is Stephen Hawking and Carl Sagan as well, weren't they cosmologists?

00:04:39.060 They were theoretical cosmologists.

00:04:41.040 Okay.

00:04:41.480 So...

00:04:41.880 What's the difference between theoretical and what you were doing?

00:04:45.080 What I was doing was actually doing the observations of the distant universe that the theoreticians had used to develop their models.

00:04:52.820 Okay, okay.

00:04:53.540 And I did a little bit of theory work myself.

00:04:55.620 Okay.

00:04:55.700 So, when you started studying this, what happened?

00:05:00.700 Well, when I realized that the evidence was heavily favoring the Big Bang, I said, that means the universe has a beginning.

00:05:07.200 If the universe has a beginning, there must be a cosmic beginner.

00:05:10.780 I want to find that cosmic beginner.

00:05:13.460 I had no idea where to look.

00:05:15.240 I mean, I wasn't raised in a Christian home.

00:05:17.080 There weren't Christians in our neighborhood.

00:05:19.060 They're hard to find in Canada.

00:05:20.500 Yeah.

00:05:21.380 I tell you, my father, when I asked my dad, I was young.

00:05:26.140 Dan, I want to talk about God with you.

00:05:27.860 And he said, okay, the first thing we have to do is get rid of the word God, because it means too many things, has too many traps around it.

00:05:37.800 I can talk about God, and you'll have a different view than me.

00:05:40.680 So, let's agree on terms.

00:05:42.380 He said, I think we should call him first cause.

00:05:45.940 Well, that's what's interesting.

00:05:48.880 I spoke at a government lab, and the director says, look, this is the U.S. government.

00:05:54.020 You can't use the word God here.

00:05:55.580 And I said, I don't see that in the Constitution.

00:05:58.220 Yeah.

00:05:58.700 But I said, how about this?

00:05:59.880 How about if I talk about the causal agent beyond space and time?

00:06:03.360 Correct.

00:06:03.720 That created the universe and designed it for human beings.

00:06:06.140 Right.

00:06:06.500 He says, yeah, you can do that.

00:06:07.660 Well, but it's true, because his first question was, do you believe in the Big Bang?

00:06:14.080 And I said, I think so.

00:06:15.820 And he said, does that disagree with God or help prove God?

00:06:21.400 And I said, I don't know.

00:06:25.260 I mean, I was a teenager.

00:06:26.340 I'm not sure.

00:06:27.500 And he said, what was it before, and what lit the match?

00:06:35.240 Yes.

00:06:35.900 And so I started looking in the great philosophers, Immanuel Kant's Critique of Pure Reason.

00:06:42.620 I looked at René Descartes, discovered that they didn't have the correct concepts of the universe or space and time.

00:06:49.020 And I went to a high school that was filled with refugees from all over the world.

00:06:53.360 And so they were saying, hey, you need to read these books, Hindu Vedas, the Koran, the Buddhist commentaries.

00:07:00.120 So I began to go through them.

00:07:01.800 And when I read the Vedas, I said, oh, this is where the oscillating universe model comes from.

00:07:06.340 You know, Hinduism is based on reincarnation, that the universe reincarnates.

00:07:11.240 But I knew that their timescale was incorrect.

00:07:13.900 They said, you get a new birth every 4.32 billion years.

00:07:17.480 And that number clearly was wrong.

00:07:19.200 I also realized the universe had way too high of an entropy measure to allow for any kind of restart.

00:07:26.760 And the Buddhists said essentially the same thing.

00:07:29.680 When I looked at the Koran, it says there's three accounts of creation, but they contradict one another.

00:07:35.720 One of them claiming that the planets are more distant than the stars.

00:07:39.980 You don't need a telescope to realize that's incorrect.

00:07:42.260 Now, I didn't meet Christians or get to know them until I showed up at Caltech to do postdoctoral research.

00:07:50.440 But I did see two Christians from 30 feet away when I was 11 years old.

00:07:55.040 These were two businessmen that came into our public school and made available Gideon Bibles.

00:08:00.580 This is the Gideon Bible that I started reading at age 17.

00:08:04.260 So, the cover's gone because our dog chewed it off.

00:08:10.660 But I started reading the Gideon Bible at age 17.

00:08:15.020 And that was also the same time that physicists in South Africa and Britain were developing the first of the space-time theorems.

00:08:22.260 Which basically proved that space and time have a beginning.

00:08:26.460 Space and time are created.

00:08:27.960 And what I noticed about the Bible is that it stood alone in making the claim that space and time are created entities.

00:08:36.560 What I saw in the Eastern religions, space and time are eternal.

00:08:40.520 And God are God's creed within space and time that always exists.

00:08:44.960 So, seeing that the Bible said something different that was being affirmed by the space-time theorems.

00:08:50.700 I said, maybe this book really is from the one who created the universe.

00:08:54.480 Can you take me through Genesis and the creation and show me the science?

00:09:00.740 Well, I was taught the scientific method in grade 1, grade 2, grade 3.

00:09:06.320 We got it all 12 years.

00:09:08.300 And so, when I picked up this book, the Bible, I looked at the first page, Genesis 1.

00:09:14.120 I said, this perfectly follows the scientific method.

00:09:17.460 It took me nine years to discover why it so perfectly followed the scientific method.

00:09:21.960 That's where it comes from.

00:09:23.140 It comes from the creation texts in the Bible and Reformation theology.

00:09:28.480 But I looked at, you know, Genesis 1, 2.

00:09:32.840 The Spirit of God is hovering over the surface of the waters of planet Earth.

00:09:37.300 And it gives you four initial conditions.

00:09:40.080 It's dark everywhere on the surface.

00:09:42.160 The water is everywhere.

00:09:43.580 And the planet Earth is unfit for life and empty of life.

00:09:47.580 Well, steps 1 and 2 of the scientific method are, do not interpret until you establish the frame of reference.

00:09:55.200 The point of view is the surface of Earth's waters.

00:09:58.360 And don't interpret until you also establish the starting conditions.

00:10:02.500 Well, that's all laid out in Genesis 1, 2.

00:10:05.500 I keep running into scientists who say, Genesis teaches scientific nonsense.

00:10:09.780 And I say, well, Galileo said, the biggest mistake you can make in Bible interpretation is to get the wrong point of view.

00:10:18.300 And when they say it's scientific nonsense, they think God is above the Earth, looking down on the Earth and telling us what He did.

00:10:25.580 Instead, it's God on the surface of the Earth, looking up at the clouds and telling us what He did.

00:10:32.120 Makes a huge difference in how you interpret the six days of creation.

00:10:37.100 And so, but, you know, nobody was helping me on this.

00:10:41.080 I just saw this in the text and said, okay.

00:10:43.360 At 18?

00:10:44.480 17.

00:10:45.020 17.

00:10:45.520 Yeah.

00:10:46.120 So I said, okay.

00:10:49.500 Creation day one, let there be light.

00:10:51.520 And I said, well, that's when the atmosphere goes from opaque to translucent.

00:10:57.420 I knew enough about astronomy to realize Earth had to begin with an atmosphere 200 times thicker than it has today.

00:11:05.540 An atmosphere that thick will not let any visible light through.

00:11:09.560 The sun and stars existed, but there was no light on the surface of the waters of planet Earth.

00:11:15.200 Day one is when the atmosphere was thinned out sufficiently that light could come through.

00:11:20.200 And it says the Spirit of God was brooding over the surface of the waters.

00:11:24.540 That implies the origin of life.

00:11:27.340 So I saw life being originated at the beginning of creation day one.

00:11:32.020 And then you go into creation day two, water above and water below.

00:11:37.180 I really didn't have an idea what that meant.

00:11:39.920 But when I got to the book of Job, it devotes one and a half chapters to creation day two.

00:11:45.720 And basically describes it as God's cycling water in the atmosphere above to the streams and lakes and oceans below and then back again.

00:11:55.480 Oh, my gosh.

00:11:56.700 And actually describes six distinct forms of precipitation in Job 37 and 38.

00:12:03.600 It mentions, for example, that there will be dew and mist and rain and then snow and frost and hail.

00:12:12.740 And again, I had enough science under my belt to realize that's the only way you can have billions of people living on the surface of the Earth.

00:12:21.500 Because the Earth's water cycle is designed to ensure no matter where you are, there's both frozen forms of precipitation and liquid forms.

00:12:29.760 So we can have rivers and streams that flow all year round and we have abundant food that can be grown everywhere.

00:12:37.840 You need all six to make that possible.

00:12:41.020 Then you get into creation day three.

00:12:43.360 And this is when land masses show up for the first time.

00:12:46.240 When God transforms the Earth from a water world to one with continents and oceans.

00:12:51.680 And at 19, I got to take a course on plate tectonics.

00:12:57.980 As far as I know, it was the first course in the world that was taught on plate tectonics at a university.

00:13:04.440 That's because two of the three physicists who launched the discipline were at the University of British Columbia.

00:13:11.140 Somehow I managed to get into that class as an undergraduate.

00:13:14.160 And that's when they said, oh, the continents haven't always been here.

00:13:18.600 It's plate tectonics that builds up the continents.

00:13:21.480 And they thought it was a linear relationship from zero to where it is today.

00:13:25.840 Today we know that it takes deep oxygen cycle events to really accelerate the growth of the continental land masses.

00:13:35.480 And so in 2018, they basically showed, yeah, for about the first billion years, you got nothing but water.

00:13:42.400 And then plate tectonics kicks in.

00:13:45.260 But at the first great oxygenation event, two and a half billion years ago, about 90% of the continental land mass forms.

00:13:53.580 Wow.

00:13:53.900 And so basically it shows that the more we learn about the past history of the Earth, the tighter and tighter fit we get with what the Bible taught about these land masses thousands of years ago.

00:14:05.680 And then it talks about vegetation on the land masses.

00:14:09.720 And I've debated the executive director of the Skeptic Society four times in university campuses.

00:14:17.040 He always jumped on Genesis, no matter what we were talking about, because he saw that as the Achilles heel of the Christian faith.

00:14:25.020 So he would always say, well, the fossil record shows us we got animals before we got vegetation on the continents.

00:14:33.420 And I said, well, obviously animals have skeletons and shells.

00:14:38.020 That's going to be easily preserved.

00:14:39.840 That's not the case for vegetation.

00:14:41.520 It's going to decay.

00:14:42.100 But what happened in 2009 and 2011, two papers were published in Nature saying we now have the isotope evidence.

00:14:52.240 And in 2011, the fossil evidence that vegetation was abundant on the continental land masses 600 million years before the first animals show up.

00:15:01.700 So, again, it shows, hey, as we learn more, it basically gives you a tighter and tighter fit.

00:15:08.320 What would they have eaten if there was no vegetation, if there was no?

00:15:13.040 Well, I think Michael Shermer was saying, yeah, there would have been vegetation in the oceans, but the biblical text says vegetation on the land masses.

00:15:19.580 He said we have no fossil evidence of that.

00:15:22.440 Well, we didn't during my first debate, but we do now.

00:15:25.540 And we do have that evidence.

00:15:27.300 And then creation day four is when creatures on the surface of the earth for the first time can see the sun, moon, and stars.

00:15:36.320 And we now know the second great oxygenation event turned earth's atmosphere from a dense haze to transparent.

00:15:44.500 It's oxygen that determines how transparent the atmosphere is.

00:15:48.160 And so, experiment was done where they took the atmosphere of the earth, started with less than 1% oxygen, and pushed it up.

00:15:57.060 While the second great oxygenation event, the oxygen level suddenly goes from 2% to 8% for the first time in earth's history.

00:16:05.940 That's enough to make the atmosphere transparent.

00:16:08.480 Unbelievable.

00:16:09.280 That's exactly the same time that the first animals appear.

00:16:13.740 Animals can't function if they don't know where the sun, moon, and stars are in the sky.

00:16:17.560 They need a transparent sky.

00:16:20.440 But what we see in the fossil record, the very moment oxygen hit that minimum level for animals, animals suddenly appear.

00:16:27.800 You go from nothing but microbial light to animals as big as 2 meters across.

00:16:33.180 And then in creation day five, you also have God creating the sea mammals and the birds.

00:16:39.040 Only the second time he uses the word create.

00:16:41.720 The word create in Hebrew, baraz, for something brand new at God's hand.

00:16:48.240 And what was brand new was animals that are not just physical, but soulish.

00:16:52.600 And that they have mind, will, and emotions, a capacity to form relationships with one another.

00:16:58.600 Their offspring, they sacrifice for the offspring.

00:17:01.640 They also are endowed with a capacity to form relationships with a higher species, namely us human beings, and to serve and please us.

00:17:09.900 Then you get into creation day six.

00:17:12.560 It doesn't talk about the first land mammals.

00:17:15.240 It talks about the three categories of land mammals that are essential for launching human civilization.

00:17:22.460 And Job 38 and 39 goes into that in great detail.

00:17:25.780 And so short-legged land mammals, the rodents that we need for the clothing that humans were critically dependent upon when they first appeared.

00:17:35.880 Because we humans, unlike the Neanderthals, are not adapted for a cold climate.

00:17:41.340 We're fine in a warm climate, but not a cold climate.

00:17:44.180 The rodents enabled us to go into cold climate zones.

00:17:46.960 Then two different kinds of long-legged land mammals, those that are easy to tame, the herbivores we use for agriculture, those that are difficult to tame, the carnivores that we use for household companions.

00:17:59.900 And last of all, God creates human beings.

00:18:02.920 And only the third time does he use the word create.

00:18:06.340 Because what's brand new about us, we're not just physical and soulish, we're spiritual.

00:18:10.760 As these birds and mammals were designed to relate to a higher species, we are designed to relate to a higher being, the one that created everything.

00:18:20.860 First of all, that's the best explanation of Genesis I've ever heard.

00:18:24.100 I love that.

00:18:26.040 Let me go back.

00:18:28.340 Where would the dinosaurs come in?

00:18:30.860 Well, the Bible is written for all generations.

00:18:34.420 So it avoids vocabulary that only modern generations would understand.

00:18:38.800 So it doesn't mention dinosaurs, because they weren't discovered until the 1850s.

00:18:43.940 It doesn't mention protons or neutrinos either.

00:18:46.680 But yeah, it doesn't mean that they didn't exist.

00:18:49.160 They would have fit in in the middle of creation day five, and where you see them implied is Psalm 104, the longest of the creation psalms.

00:18:58.060 And Psalm 104's theme is that God is packing our planet with as much life as possible and as diverse as possible.

00:19:05.520 And so when our planet has conditions suitable for dinosaurs, he creates the dinosaurs.

00:19:12.320 They're not suitable now because we don't have shallow seas to provide the water buoyancy that these huge creatures need.

00:19:19.420 But when the continental land masses were filled with vast shallow seas, there he got the water buoyancy to make possible animals as big as T-Rex and Brontosaurus.

00:19:31.280 I mean, I laughed at the Jurassic Park movies because it shows this T-Rex on land chasing a Jeep at 45 miles an hour.

00:19:40.880 It wouldn't have happened.

00:19:41.780 The T-Rex would have injured itself.

00:19:45.120 One little trip and it's gone.

00:19:47.260 It has no hands to do this.

00:19:49.980 Well, the biggest land animal you can have without water support is an elephant.

00:19:55.620 Anything bigger than an elephant is going to injure itself because of the law of gravity.

00:20:00.860 It's the same law you see in the NBA.

00:20:02.980 The really tall basketball players, when they trip and fall, they do themselves a lot more injury than someone who's only five feet tall.

00:20:11.520 Gravity always wins.

00:20:13.800 I've never seen that even portrayed with dinosaurs, that they're always around water.

00:20:20.700 Well, the ones that are weighting 80 tons, they need water buoyancy to support the huge body mass.

00:20:26.840 T-Rex was probably, I mean, it was long-legged.

00:20:30.060 T-Rex was probably swimming around in shallow seas and preying on, you know, huge herbivores.

00:20:35.860 Wow.

00:20:36.420 With those giant jaws, it wasn't eating small creatures like lawyers.

00:20:40.420 It was eating something bigger than a lawyer.

00:20:43.860 So the other thing, and I just, I want to say this because there's a lot of people that have different views of creation and everything else.

00:20:52.440 I personally don't think how God created the universe is essential to my salvation.

00:20:59.080 So, and I don't know, you don't know, but we're.

00:21:02.280 That's who creates that's essential.

00:21:04.220 Yes, right.

00:21:04.880 So when and how, that's less important.

00:21:07.820 Because I have some friends who claim, no, the earth is only, you know, five or 10,000 years old.

00:21:15.220 And you're like, dude, that doesn't, I mean, no, why couldn't God's creation happen, I don't want to say in an evolution.

00:21:25.700 Well, you say it's a progressive creationism, right?

00:21:29.560 Well, I claim that God performs creation miracles.

00:21:34.160 I mean, he uses the word bara and asa in the Hebrew.

00:21:36.720 That means that God is supernaturally intervening.

00:21:39.200 And sometimes it uses the word haya, which means that it could be through natural process.

00:21:44.120 So it's not either or, it's both and.

00:21:46.660 Right, right.

00:21:47.120 So, but it is over a significant passage of time.

00:21:50.500 In fact, just reading the Bible on my own at age 17, I immediately recognize these days have to be long time periods.

00:21:58.920 Sure.

00:21:59.180 For the simple reason that you see the word day being used with three different definitions.

00:22:06.780 Creation day one, it uses the word day for the daylight hours.

00:22:10.280 Creation day four, it's contrasting seasons, days, and years.

00:22:14.100 That day is 24 hours.

00:22:15.980 But Genesis 2, 4 uses the same word day for the entirety of creation history.

00:22:21.580 The other thing I noted is that the first six days end with an evening morning phrase.

00:22:26.860 Evening was, morning was, day X, which told me each day has a definite start time and a definite end time.

00:22:35.060 You get to day seven, there's no evening morning phrase, implying we're still in God's seventh day.

00:22:42.080 And both Psalm 95 and Hebrews 4 explicitly declare we're still in God's seventh day.

00:22:48.900 And for me, at age 17, it answered the fossil record enigma.

00:22:53.800 For some reason, my parents thought I was being obsessive about physics and astronomy.

00:22:59.380 I didn't know why, but they were worried.

00:23:02.420 Did you kiss a lot of girls at all?

00:23:04.960 No.

00:23:05.640 What a surprise.

00:23:07.240 I mean, I was saving up pop bottles and cashing in to build a telescope.

00:23:12.940 That's amazing.

00:23:13.460 I began doing research on T-Tari stars, wound up entering the BC science fair and winning the fair.

00:23:20.420 So I was a real nerd growing up.

00:23:22.800 I really enjoyed my astronomical research.

00:23:25.180 But my family was worried that I was being too narrowly focused.

00:23:29.960 When I was 11, my parents bought us a big, thick book on evolutionary biology.

00:23:35.860 I was the only one in the family that read it.

00:23:38.960 But I remember telling my parents that numbers don't work.

00:23:42.600 You have all these new families and orders and classes and phyla showing up before humanity.

00:23:49.140 And none of that happens after humanity.

00:23:51.760 They said, go ask your science teachers.

00:23:53.560 They had no clue.

00:23:54.840 They told me to talk to the professors I knew.

00:23:57.520 And I didn't get an answer for them either.

00:23:59.160 But the first time I picked up the Bible, read Genesis 1, said this answers the fossil record enigma.

00:24:06.300 For six days, God creates.

00:24:08.420 On the seventh day, he ceases from his work of creation to focus on his work of redemption.

00:24:14.780 And I also realized that's the principle of the Sabbath.

00:24:17.920 For six days, we work.

00:24:19.380 On the seventh day, we focus on the most important issues of life.

00:24:23.400 And as I read through the creation text, I was surprised to discover

00:24:27.180 God begins his works of redemption before he creates anything at all,

00:24:32.740 which implies everything that God creates is for the purpose of redemption.

00:24:37.260 And it made sense of the seventh day when God stops creating and redeems.

00:24:42.820 It also explained to me why so many astronomers believe in God

00:24:46.800 and so few field biologists believe in God.

00:24:50.360 Their research is on different days of creation.

00:24:53.920 In astronomy, our data comes from the past

00:24:56.440 because it takes late time to reach our telescopes.

00:24:59.540 The field biologists are doing their research

00:25:01.700 in the present era.

00:25:03.600 So the field biologists say,

00:25:05.120 we see no evidence for the miraculous handiwork of God.

00:25:08.640 Well, they're looking on the wrong day.

00:25:10.860 Day seven, God stops that.

00:25:12.960 But before humanity,

00:25:14.380 you've got the six days.

00:25:16.060 When God is...

00:25:16.560 Why do you say he tips his hand

00:25:19.260 that he is worried about salvation or redemption

00:25:23.180 before he creates?

00:25:24.860 Well, you've got passages like 2 Timothy 1.9.

00:25:28.820 The grace of God that we now experience

00:25:30.840 was put into effect before the beginning of time.

00:25:34.420 Or Titus 1.2.

00:25:36.240 The hope that we share in Jesus Christ

00:25:38.400 was granted to us before the beginning of time.

00:25:41.960 Then you've got Hebrews 11.3.

00:25:44.300 The universe that we can detect

00:25:46.100 did not come from that which we can detect.

00:25:48.680 We can detect matter, energy, space, and time.

00:25:51.600 So, and that's unique to the Bible.

00:25:55.220 You won't find that in the other holy books.

00:25:57.580 So I says, this book gets all the cosmology right.

00:26:01.700 I mean, what astounded me

00:26:02.940 in going through the creation text

00:26:04.560 not only talks about a space-time beginning,

00:26:07.960 it talks about how the universe expands

00:26:10.140 from that space-time beginning,

00:26:11.720 the stretching out of the heavens,

00:26:13.580 how it happens under laws of physics

00:26:15.480 that never change.

00:26:16.500 And Ecclesiastes and Romans speak about

00:26:19.420 one of those laws as a pervasive law of decay.

00:26:23.860 And hey, if you know high school physics,

00:26:26.400 that implies that the universe gets colder and colder

00:26:29.300 in a highly predictable way.

00:26:31.960 And astronomers have actually got measurements

00:26:34.100 of the past temperature of the universe,

00:26:36.180 and they perfectly fit what the Bible predicted

00:26:38.780 thousands of years ago.

00:26:40.660 Unbelievable.

00:26:41.440 Yeah, so it gets all the science right.

00:26:43.600 It predicts future science.

00:26:45.360 Can you help me out with something?

00:26:47.160 Because I've said this,

00:26:48.680 and I don't do what you do,

00:26:51.100 so probably very ineloquently,

00:26:53.140 but I've said this to people who believe in evolution.

00:26:58.500 Everything in our world decays.

00:27:01.500 Yes.

00:27:01.860 It becomes more chaotic.

00:27:03.560 Right.

00:27:03.880 Nothing in our world starts as chaos

00:27:07.580 and ends up like this.

00:27:09.100 There's no example, is there?

00:27:11.380 Well, my colleague Fazal Rana,

00:27:14.200 who's our staff biochemist and I,

00:27:16.040 we regularly attend origin of life research conferences.

00:27:19.520 And it's interesting,

00:27:20.700 each successive meeting is more depressing

00:27:22.520 than the previous meeting

00:27:23.620 because they keep running into these intractable roadblocks.

00:27:27.740 However, I think what motivates them,

00:27:31.280 they do these experiments in the lab

00:27:33.280 and say, hey,

00:27:34.300 we're able to put some amino acids together

00:27:36.620 and get a short, you know, sequence of amino acids.

00:27:41.380 Maybe we're on the way to making a real protein

00:27:43.600 or they're able to come up with some way to make RNA.

00:27:48.140 The problem is it takes a highly skilled team of biochemists

00:27:52.120 well-funded with real technical equipment

00:27:55.440 where they make sure,

00:27:56.880 we're going to ensure that there is no contaminant chemicals

00:28:00.020 that would degrade the reaction.

00:28:02.580 So they're using pure samples.

00:28:04.900 And there's one...

00:28:06.340 That would imply there's a creator.

00:28:09.680 It implies you need something smarter,

00:28:12.040 more intelligent, more knowledgeable,

00:28:14.220 and better funded than those biochemists

00:28:16.100 to do it in the first place.

00:28:18.180 So, but they think they're making progress.

00:28:20.760 And I say, yes,

00:28:21.660 what you're doing in the lab is remarkable.

00:28:24.020 But notice, it's only the baby steps.

00:28:26.360 You can't solve the fundamental problems like,

00:28:29.560 how do you get all the amino acids left-handed?

00:28:32.040 How do you get all the ribosugars right-handed?

00:28:34.960 That's an easy thing,

00:28:36.060 that there is no naturalistic process that does that.

00:28:39.460 And so, and, you know,

00:28:41.380 if you go to these conferences,

00:28:42.720 they admit that their naturalistic explanations don't work.

00:28:46.100 None of them work.

00:28:47.420 Well, that would imply that there's someone, again,

00:28:50.680 more intelligent than us that did it in the first place.

00:28:53.880 And then you look at the fossil record.

00:28:55.520 I mean, evolutionists will claim,

00:28:59.280 well, how it all works,

00:29:00.720 you've got natural selection, mutations,

00:29:03.700 gene exchange, and epigenetics.

00:29:06.300 And that's going to cause species to differentiate

00:29:09.580 and produce more species if you wait long enough.

00:29:12.940 If you wait longer, you might get a new genus.

00:29:15.540 If you wait longer, the new genera might produce a new family.

00:29:18.600 And on all the way up to the phylum.

00:29:21.060 The problem is, when you look at things like

00:29:23.120 the Avalon and Cambrian explosions of life

00:29:25.620 or the mass speciation events,

00:29:28.040 it's the opposite.

00:29:29.600 The phylists show up first,

00:29:31.300 the species show up last.

00:29:33.100 It's the exact opposite of what you expect

00:29:35.040 from a naturalistic perspective.

00:29:37.260 And the leading paleontologists,

00:29:40.240 or agnostics, or atheists,

00:29:42.040 can see that in their papers.

00:29:43.880 They can see that they're seeing the opposite

00:29:45.820 of what their models would predict.

00:29:47.600 First of all, talk about the Cambrian explosion

00:29:51.880 for anybody who doesn't know what that is.

00:29:53.940 Well, it's an event where the oxygen level

00:29:56.640 suddenly jumped from 8% to 10%.

00:30:00.120 What would cause that in nature?

00:30:02.860 Again, the deep oxygen cycle,

00:30:04.720 something called the great unconformity,

00:30:08.900 which is basically an event

00:30:10.160 where you've got huge landslides

00:30:12.220 coming off the continental land masses

00:30:14.100 being deposited in the oceans.

00:30:16.100 It forms the continental shelves,

00:30:18.280 which is an ideal environment,

00:30:20.300 shallow continental shelves for sea life.

00:30:23.900 And so the Avalon explosion

00:30:25.820 is where you've got 8% oxygen.

00:30:28.140 Not enough for a circulatory system

00:30:30.600 or digestive tract,

00:30:32.480 but enough for filter feeders.

00:30:34.580 But when it hits 10%,

00:30:35.940 and again, you get another geological event

00:30:38.100 that suddenly jumps up to 10%,

00:30:40.400 now you've got enough oxygen

00:30:42.200 that you can have digestive tracts,

00:30:44.300 you can have a brain,

00:30:45.080 you can have a heart,

00:30:46.240 you can have various kinds of organs,

00:30:48.400 hearing, eyesight,

00:30:49.920 all that's possible.

00:30:51.640 But it all shows up immediately

00:30:53.700 and simultaneously.

00:30:55.520 So you get about 50 phylum.

00:30:57.680 A phylum is a basic body plan.

00:31:00.240 So for example,

00:31:01.240 we humans are part of the chordate phylum,

00:31:04.020 which means we have a long neural cord.

00:31:06.660 It includes all the vertebrates,

00:31:08.320 and a lot of the invertebrates

00:31:10.000 are in that phylum.

00:31:11.300 And I remember when I was first reading this

00:31:13.840 in my teenage years,

00:31:14.960 they were saying,

00:31:15.440 well, the chordates show up

00:31:17.160 at the end of the camberne event.

00:31:19.380 We now know they're at the beginning

00:31:20.880 of the camberne event.

00:31:22.280 Even the vertebrates show up

00:31:23.840 at the beginning of the camberne event.

00:31:26.560 50 phyla showing up simultaneously

00:31:29.540 and immediately

00:31:30.840 when the oxygen permits them to exist.

00:31:33.800 And when you say simultaneously

00:31:35.400 and immediately,

00:31:36.580 how many years is that over?

00:31:38.000 Well, that's been a problem

00:31:40.600 trying to measure that precision.

00:31:42.980 Two years ago,

00:31:44.160 they were saying

00:31:44.700 within a five million year window,

00:31:46.500 because that's what the air bars are.

00:31:48.320 Now the air bars are down

00:31:49.840 to 410,000 years.

00:31:51.780 So we know what happens

00:31:52.860 in less than 410,000 years.

00:31:55.100 Wow.

00:31:56.160 So that would,

00:31:59.940 and it goes kind of

00:32:01.000 for and against evolution, right?

00:32:04.900 Because some animals

00:32:06.220 do kind of evolve, right?

00:32:09.160 Well, for example,

00:32:10.580 we humans are significantly taller

00:32:12.820 than we were 2,000 years ago.

00:32:14.980 What's our appendix for?

00:32:16.840 Well, the appendix

00:32:17.940 does serve a useful purpose.

00:32:19.440 There are no useless organs

00:32:20.840 in the human body.

00:32:21.920 Okay.

00:32:22.900 The problem was

00:32:24.240 they thought the appendix

00:32:25.280 was part of the digestive tract.

00:32:27.360 It's part of the immune system.

00:32:30.080 So we now know

00:32:32.640 it serves a purpose.

00:32:33.500 They used to think

00:32:34.260 the tonsils and adenoids

00:32:35.640 are useless organs.

00:32:36.840 We know they serve

00:32:37.920 a useful purpose.

00:32:39.000 We're looking in the wrong area

00:32:40.520 for the purpose.

00:32:42.300 So the human body

00:32:43.800 is marvelously designed.

00:32:45.220 In fact,

00:32:45.440 I just participated

00:32:46.340 in a book

00:32:47.760 with about a dozen

00:32:49.240 medical researchers

00:32:50.380 who are just,

00:32:51.940 the book's going to come out soon,

00:32:53.800 basically talking about

00:32:55.000 how the human body

00:32:56.060 is the most amazingly designed animal

00:32:58.020 we see on the face

00:32:59.600 of the planet.

00:33:00.180 I sat and

00:33:01.620 it was just

00:33:02.720 my father

00:33:04.060 just passed away

00:33:05.080 and I sat

00:33:05.740 in the hospital room

00:33:06.760 and he was hooked

00:33:09.380 to a

00:33:10.580 oh,

00:33:14.740 what do you call it

00:33:15.240 when you have

00:33:15.640 the kidney failure

00:33:16.880 and dialysis.

00:33:18.980 He was hooked

00:33:19.580 to this amazing machine

00:33:21.420 that slowly

00:33:22.820 over 24 hours

00:33:24.160 cleaned all the blood.

00:33:26.040 It was remarkable

00:33:27.900 but it was

00:33:30.040 almost the size

00:33:31.520 of like a small refrigerator.

00:33:34.020 And I sat there

00:33:35.120 and I looked at that

00:33:35.880 and I thought

00:33:36.480 that's the best

00:33:38.680 we can do

00:33:39.940 for an organ

00:33:41.680 that doesn't have

00:33:42.720 any wires

00:33:43.540 or any,

00:33:44.140 we don't even know.

00:33:45.140 It's only the size

00:33:45.980 of a human fist.

00:33:46.760 And it's the size

00:33:47.460 of a fist.

00:33:48.500 How do you,

00:33:49.620 I mean,

00:33:50.780 how do people dismiss

00:33:52.480 the miraculous machine

00:33:55.220 that we are

00:33:56.400 that we can't even

00:33:57.160 get close to?

00:33:57.920 We don't even

00:33:58.300 understand it yet.

00:33:59.540 Well,

00:33:59.740 for example,

00:34:00.660 we humans

00:34:01.580 have about four times

00:34:02.820 as many heartbeats

00:34:03.820 in our lifespan

00:34:04.520 as any other mammal.

00:34:06.500 I mean,

00:34:06.920 turtles have longer

00:34:07.740 than us

00:34:08.200 but they don't do much.

00:34:09.920 We get to have

00:34:10.860 high activity

00:34:11.860 for seven,

00:34:12.680 eight,

00:34:12.920 nine decades.

00:34:14.840 I mean,

00:34:15.180 we're unique

00:34:15.840 amongst the life forms.

00:34:17.780 Our brain

00:34:18.340 is as big

00:34:18.900 as it can possibly be.

00:34:20.780 Make the human brain

00:34:21.700 any bigger,

00:34:22.260 that would cook

00:34:22.880 itself to death.

00:34:24.420 And so,

00:34:24.960 I mean,

00:34:26.000 nothing in the animal world

00:34:27.600 matches the capability

00:34:28.980 of the human brain.

00:34:30.120 Okay,

00:34:30.360 so tell me

00:34:31.020 the,

00:34:32.700 because I,

00:34:33.440 I believe Lucy exists.

00:34:36.020 Sure.

00:34:36.940 You know,

00:34:37.720 I believe in Neanderthal man.

00:34:39.820 Right.

00:34:40.060 But I don't think

00:34:40.960 they're connected.

00:34:41.880 We've never come up

00:34:43.820 with a link.

00:34:44.820 We've never,

00:34:45.280 doesn't mean that we won't

00:34:46.360 someday but I don't think,

00:34:48.760 if I believe in God,

00:34:50.740 God created,

00:34:51.860 everything.

00:34:52.980 Well,

00:34:53.200 one of the books

00:34:53.360 we've written

00:34:53.960 is Who is Adam

00:34:54.920 where we basically

00:34:55.680 make the point,

00:34:56.540 yes,

00:34:56.900 there are,

00:34:57.360 but a dozen species

00:34:58.400 of bipedal primates

00:34:59.700 have preceded human beings.

00:35:01.740 But we see no evidence

00:35:03.160 that they are revolving

00:35:04.340 towards us

00:35:05.120 because what we notice

00:35:06.060 is the brain size

00:35:07.740 goes up and down

00:35:09.060 as you go over

00:35:09.840 the past six million years.

00:35:11.520 The bipedal capability

00:35:12.680 goes up and down.

00:35:14.280 We don't see

00:35:15.180 a linear progression.

00:35:17.060 And the human brain

00:35:18.040 structure is different.

00:35:18.900 We have a much

00:35:19.660 higher density

00:35:20.340 of neurons.

00:35:21.080 It is true

00:35:21.720 our brain is about

00:35:23.140 the same weight

00:35:23.900 as a Neanderthal brain

00:35:25.140 but the Neanderthal

00:35:26.640 had to manage

00:35:27.340 a much larger body.

00:35:29.340 So we have a higher

00:35:30.460 encephalization ratio.

00:35:32.560 We also have a much

00:35:33.320 higher density

00:35:34.080 of neurons.

00:35:35.400 And then the way

00:35:35.960 the brain is structured

00:35:37.100 is different.

00:35:38.640 The Neanderthal brain

00:35:39.740 is basically

00:35:40.300 like a cylinder.

00:35:41.680 Ours is like a basketball.

00:35:43.020 It's globular.

00:35:43.600 And we have a huge

00:35:45.660 parietal lobe.

00:35:47.060 That's a lobe

00:35:47.680 that allows us

00:35:48.320 to have the show.

00:35:49.800 It allows us

00:35:50.340 to do mathematics,

00:35:51.640 philosophy,

00:35:52.460 theology,

00:35:54.220 symbolic capability.

00:35:57.160 We alone

00:35:57.880 invent symbols

00:35:58.840 and use symbols

00:35:59.660 that do amazing things.

00:36:01.460 No other animal

00:36:02.180 does that.

00:36:03.260 At best,

00:36:03.780 they make some

00:36:04.300 claw marks

00:36:05.080 on a tree maybe

00:36:05.940 or a piece of rock.

00:36:07.220 But we actually

00:36:07.900 invent symbols.

00:36:09.720 I mean,

00:36:10.760 in mathematics,

00:36:11.640 we keep inventing symbols

00:36:13.060 to help us

00:36:13.640 do our calculations.

00:36:15.460 Alphabets.

00:36:16.540 I mean,

00:36:16.980 that's what's unique

00:36:17.720 about human beings.

00:36:19.020 But it's our anatomy

00:36:19.980 that makes it possible.

00:36:22.060 In fact,

00:36:22.280 one of the talks

00:36:22.980 I give is how

00:36:23.820 God designed us

00:36:25.180 all to be thinkaholics.

00:36:27.000 We're all capable

00:36:28.220 of thinking nonstop

00:36:29.620 throughout our whole life.

00:36:31.240 No other animal

00:36:31.960 can do that.

00:36:32.620 And Neanderthals

00:36:33.260 couldn't do that.

00:36:34.260 Only humans

00:36:35.100 were capable

00:36:35.680 of doing that.

00:36:36.420 So,

00:36:37.140 let me play

00:36:37.800 devil's advocate here

00:36:38.700 and just say,

00:36:39.960 everybody says

00:36:41.100 that dolphins

00:36:41.800 are wildly

00:36:43.040 intelligent animals

00:36:44.180 and they don't

00:36:45.420 do the alphabet

00:36:46.220 because they don't

00:36:46.700 have hands.

00:36:48.320 Well,

00:36:48.900 they are intelligent

00:36:49.800 but they're not

00:36:50.420 the most intelligent

00:36:51.560 non-human animal.

00:36:53.520 Darwin claimed

00:36:54.500 that the most intelligent

00:36:55.580 non-human animal

00:36:56.620 was a chimpanzee

00:36:57.860 because it looks

00:36:58.420 the closest like us.

00:36:59.600 Right.

00:37:00.140 And he also said

00:37:00.960 to his colleagues,

00:37:02.040 prove me wrong

00:37:02.700 by doing field experiments.

00:37:04.600 It took 150 years

00:37:06.460 before any scientists

00:37:07.540 actually did

00:37:08.640 what Darwin recommended.

00:37:10.180 Wow.

00:37:10.480 but the paper

00:37:11.220 that was published

00:37:11.940 had an interesting title,

00:37:13.640 Darwin's Mistake

00:37:14.620 because experiments

00:37:16.420 show that the smartest

00:37:17.580 non-human animals

00:37:18.760 are Caledonian

00:37:20.040 crows and ravens.

00:37:22.000 They far outperform

00:37:23.500 the intellectual capability

00:37:25.320 of any of the apes.

00:37:28.620 I mean,

00:37:28.960 chimpanzees

00:37:29.740 can do a one-step

00:37:30.860 tool use.

00:37:32.800 These birds

00:37:34.340 can do eight steps

00:37:35.860 and they do it

00:37:36.800 without any training.

00:37:37.540 You can go on YouTube

00:37:39.040 and watch video clips

00:37:40.300 of what these...

00:37:41.340 They're Caledonian

00:37:42.720 ravens?

00:37:43.180 Caledonian crows

00:37:44.200 and ravens.

00:37:45.320 Incredibly smart animals.

00:37:47.400 What we now notice

00:37:48.380 is they have

00:37:48.980 a brain structure

00:37:49.900 that's similar

00:37:50.840 to the human brain structure

00:37:52.360 and very different

00:37:54.040 from what you see

00:37:54.760 in chimpanzees

00:37:55.840 and gorillas

00:37:56.300 and orangutans.

00:37:57.200 So when you call

00:37:58.720 somebody a bird brain,

00:37:59.800 you're actually

00:38:00.180 giving them a compliment.

00:38:03.300 Let me go back

00:38:04.180 to the Big Bang

00:38:04.740 for a second

00:38:05.220 because the Big Bang

00:38:06.400 was originally

00:38:08.220 something that was

00:38:11.460 meant as an insult,

00:38:13.000 right?

00:38:13.480 Well,

00:38:13.900 it was Fred Hoyle

00:38:15.040 that coined

00:38:15.580 the term Big Bang

00:38:16.620 as a way of deriding

00:38:18.360 the Big Bang.

00:38:19.420 He was promoting

00:38:20.280 the steady state theory.

00:38:21.580 He didn't like

00:38:22.100 Big Bang cosmology.

00:38:23.700 He didn't like

00:38:24.240 the theology behind it.

00:38:25.540 He was well aware

00:38:27.040 that it had

00:38:27.640 a biblical connection.

00:38:28.940 So he said,

00:38:29.620 we got to get rid of this.

00:38:31.600 So wait,

00:38:32.280 say that again

00:38:33.280 because I don't think

00:38:33.900 anybody knows that.

00:38:35.640 That it had

00:38:36.360 a biblical...

00:38:39.580 Well,

00:38:39.880 the very first time

00:38:41.160 the Big Bang

00:38:41.840 was proposed

00:38:42.520 in the 1920s,

00:38:44.460 you had people

00:38:45.080 like Sir Arthur Eddington

00:38:46.780 saying,

00:38:47.380 this is philosophically

00:38:48.460 repugnant.

00:38:49.460 We have a beginning

00:38:50.460 to the universe.

00:38:52.000 I don't like that.

00:38:53.800 And so,

00:38:54.520 what you saw

00:38:55.700 in the early part

00:38:56.380 of the 20th century...

00:38:57.300 Because it goes back

00:38:57.320 to the first cause.

00:38:58.040 It goes back

00:38:58.620 to the first cause

00:38:59.620 and it talks about

00:39:00.900 space and time

00:39:02.100 having the beginning

00:39:02.820 just like the Bible teaches.

00:39:05.180 And so,

00:39:06.160 because it spoke

00:39:07.760 of this being

00:39:08.460 beyond the universe,

00:39:09.400 it said,

00:39:09.940 we got to get rid of this.

00:39:12.100 But over the course

00:39:12.940 of the 20th century,

00:39:14.220 the evidence

00:39:14.700 just got stronger

00:39:15.700 and stronger

00:39:16.280 and stronger

00:39:16.860 that the Big Bang model

00:39:18.340 indeed describes

00:39:19.640 the origin

00:39:20.640 and history

00:39:21.240 of the universe.

00:39:21.840 How was it taken

00:39:23.100 as proof

00:39:24.600 from the original

00:39:26.600 people saying,

00:39:27.620 I reject this.

00:39:28.540 Scientists,

00:39:29.060 I reject this

00:39:29.820 because it's

00:39:30.760 a God model

00:39:32.180 to...

00:39:32.840 No.

00:39:33.560 Well,

00:39:33.860 one thing they didn't like

00:39:35.120 is that it made

00:39:35.980 the universe

00:39:36.540 too young.

00:39:37.380 It made the universe

00:39:38.200 only billions

00:39:39.100 of years old.

00:39:40.560 And the astronomers

00:39:41.420 in the early part

00:39:42.200 of the 20th century

00:39:43.100 recognized

00:39:43.700 if it's only billions,

00:39:45.060 we can't save

00:39:45.920 Charles Darwin's theory.

00:39:47.740 That theory

00:39:48.240 needs a lot more time

00:39:49.420 than just billions

00:39:50.120 of years.

00:39:51.340 In fact,

00:39:51.800 in the early part

00:39:52.400 of the 20th century,

00:39:54.020 you had astronomers

00:39:54.700 like Sir James Jean

00:39:56.000 saying,

00:39:56.900 the stars are able

00:39:57.780 to burn

00:39:58.260 for trillions

00:39:58.820 of years.

00:39:59.800 So the universe

00:40:00.420 must be quadrillions

00:40:01.620 of years old

00:40:02.340 and with quadrillions,

00:40:03.800 maybe we can save

00:40:04.860 Charles Darwin.

00:40:06.340 But what happened

00:40:07.120 in 1956

00:40:08.540 is astronomers

00:40:10.100 actually figured out

00:40:11.260 how elements

00:40:12.480 are fused

00:40:13.140 inside stars.

00:40:14.800 And that's when

00:40:15.280 they realized,

00:40:15.880 oh, it's only billions.

00:40:18.380 It's not quadrillions.

00:40:19.980 The universe

00:40:20.460 is a lot younger

00:40:21.300 than we thought.

00:40:22.600 And yes,

00:40:23.100 that's bad news

00:40:24.080 for evolutionary biology.

00:40:26.520 But hey,

00:40:27.300 that's what the universe

00:40:28.160 tells us.

00:40:29.740 And yet,

00:40:30.780 there are now

00:40:32.120 people who believe

00:40:33.980 the Bible

00:40:34.420 who say,

00:40:35.720 I guess,

00:40:37.040 that it's all wrong.

00:40:38.260 That it's only

00:40:39.020 five or however many

00:40:40.960 thousand years old.

00:40:42.120 I know a lot

00:40:42.840 of young earth creationists.

00:40:44.260 I debate them frequently.

00:40:45.560 on podcasts like this.

00:40:48.240 And I point out,

00:40:49.900 notice how frequently

00:40:50.860 the Bible says

00:40:51.880 the laws of physics

00:40:52.960 don't change.

00:40:54.900 And every young earth

00:40:55.940 creationist model

00:40:56.820 critically depends

00:40:57.880 on altering

00:40:58.720 the laws of physics

00:40:59.620 by factors of millions

00:41:01.300 or billions of times

00:41:02.680 at the fall of Adam

00:41:04.100 and the flood of Noah.

00:41:05.460 The Bible explicitly

00:41:06.920 rules that out.

00:41:08.720 Moreover,

00:41:09.280 as an astronomer,

00:41:10.740 every time I look

00:41:11.960 at the spectrum

00:41:12.640 of a star

00:41:13.280 or a galaxy,

00:41:14.480 I'm measuring

00:41:15.080 the laws of physics.

00:41:16.920 And from zero

00:41:18.120 all the way out

00:41:19.000 to 13 and a half

00:41:20.060 billion light years,

00:41:21.560 we see

00:41:22.120 no change

00:41:23.480 in the laws

00:41:23.940 of physics.

00:41:25.100 The Bible

00:41:25.620 got it right.

00:41:26.680 I'm sure you are.

00:41:27.940 And I know

00:41:28.460 this guy got a lot

00:41:29.180 wrong,

00:41:29.640 but ever heard

00:41:31.720 of Velikovsky?

00:41:32.740 Oh, yes.

00:41:33.480 Okay.

00:41:33.980 I met him personally,

00:41:34.980 actually.

00:41:35.280 Did you really?

00:41:36.120 At the University

00:41:36.780 of Toronto.

00:41:38.160 Wow.

00:41:38.400 I had this gigantic

00:41:39.400 office because my

00:41:40.460 research was highly

00:41:41.840 voluminous.

00:41:43.080 And he said,

00:41:43.520 can I borrow your

00:41:44.440 office for a day?

00:41:46.080 So he used my office

00:41:47.280 at the University

00:41:47.920 of Toronto to do

00:41:48.740 his stuff.

00:41:49.340 But I said,

00:41:50.620 yeah.

00:41:51.060 So I got to talk

00:41:51.960 to him.

00:41:53.000 But even before

00:41:55.260 I met him,

00:41:55.760 I knew what he

00:41:56.420 was saying about

00:41:57.100 the history of

00:41:57.680 the solar system

00:41:58.540 was provably

00:41:59.740 incorrect.

00:42:00.920 So, but his

00:42:02.060 worlds in collision,

00:42:03.780 I was so fascinated

00:42:05.680 by it because he

00:42:06.280 was the first

00:42:06.860 scientist that

00:42:07.700 said, that I

00:42:08.900 know of,

00:42:09.500 let's not throw

00:42:11.980 the Bible out.

00:42:13.500 Let's look for

00:42:15.360 things that are

00:42:16.680 natural that would

00:42:17.900 explain what they

00:42:20.720 were trying to

00:42:21.900 document.

00:42:22.900 Well, that's

00:42:23.420 where I think he

00:42:24.000 was on to

00:42:24.540 something.

00:42:24.980 He got the

00:42:25.600 parting of the

00:42:26.220 Red Sea, got

00:42:27.080 Noah's flood.

00:42:28.560 So he said, we

00:42:29.860 should expect to

00:42:30.860 find some evidence

00:42:31.920 of this.

00:42:33.020 But the evidence

00:42:33.660 he was citing

00:42:34.300 doesn't work.

00:42:35.340 I mean, he was

00:42:35.780 claiming, for

00:42:36.360 example, that

00:42:37.320 there was a

00:42:37.960 comet that swung

00:42:39.820 by the Earth

00:42:40.720 and became

00:42:41.520 Venus.

00:42:42.940 Well, Venus is

00:42:44.400 not a comet.

00:42:45.780 And if that had

00:42:46.380 happened, all life

00:42:47.560 on planet Earth

00:42:48.340 would have been

00:42:48.900 wiped out.

00:42:49.840 Right.

00:42:50.500 But is there

00:42:50.920 anything to

00:42:51.860 his theory,

00:42:53.640 not his

00:42:54.280 facts, but

00:42:55.520 his theory?

00:42:56.420 He is correct

00:42:57.360 that there are

00:42:58.120 statements in

00:42:58.760 the Bible that

00:43:00.260 need explanation.

00:43:03.600 I guess what I'm

00:43:05.440 really asking you

00:43:06.400 is, scientists

00:43:09.460 should get along

00:43:10.160 with God because

00:43:11.160 he had to be the

00:43:12.080 greatest mathematician

00:43:13.020 ever.

00:43:13.980 And he created

00:43:15.160 physics and

00:43:16.500 everything is so

00:43:17.460 tight and precise.

00:43:19.840 He set up a

00:43:21.340 system where he

00:43:22.000 wouldn't violate

00:43:23.520 physics.

00:43:26.460 Right.

00:43:26.760 He did it

00:43:27.840 through whatever

00:43:29.180 system.

00:43:30.080 Well, something you

00:43:30.760 see in Psalm 19,

00:43:32.220 God gave us two

00:43:33.220 reliable books,

00:43:34.560 the book of nature

00:43:35.380 and the book of

00:43:36.200 scripture, which

00:43:37.400 implies that two

00:43:38.300 books will always

00:43:39.360 agree.

00:43:40.060 Right.

00:43:40.520 And that's how we

00:43:41.220 figure out where we

00:43:42.120 misinterpreted things.

00:43:43.360 If we see what

00:43:44.660 looks like a

00:43:45.280 disagreement between

00:43:46.520 understanding the

00:43:47.480 book of nature or

00:43:48.640 the book of

00:43:49.100 scripture, we know

00:43:50.700 we've misinterpreted

00:43:51.760 one or both.

00:43:53.280 And the fact that

00:43:54.340 we see the book of

00:43:55.460 nature cooperating

00:43:56.580 the book of

00:43:57.140 scripture and the

00:43:58.320 book of scripture

00:43:58.980 cooperating the book

00:44:00.100 of nature tells us

00:44:01.620 God has given us

00:44:02.480 two faithful

00:44:03.180 witnesses.

00:44:04.260 That's the core of

00:44:05.360 the organization I've

00:44:06.420 founded Reasons to

00:44:07.400 Believe is basically

00:44:08.900 showing how the two

00:44:10.040 books do cooperate

00:44:12.140 one another.

00:44:13.440 And basically we

00:44:14.320 use emerging

00:44:15.000 discoveries in the

00:44:15.860 book of nature to

00:44:17.200 bring people to the

00:44:18.060 book of scripture.

00:44:19.000 So show me some of

00:44:20.040 those examples.

00:44:20.600 You showed creation.

00:44:22.540 Well, I put out a

00:44:23.800 blog called Today's

00:44:24.940 New Reason to

00:44:25.620 Believe.

00:44:26.760 And by the time I

00:44:28.000 could write a dozen

00:44:28.800 such articles every

00:44:30.140 day just because of

00:44:31.920 what's being published

00:44:32.760 in the scientific

00:44:33.460 literature.

00:44:34.720 But basically I

00:44:35.480 picked the highlights

00:44:36.280 and say, look,

00:44:37.620 the principle we see

00:44:39.180 in Job and Psalms

00:44:40.580 is demonstrable.

00:44:41.700 The more we learn

00:44:43.040 about nature, the

00:44:44.360 more evidence we'll

00:44:45.360 uncover for the

00:44:46.560 supernatural handiwork

00:44:47.800 of God.

00:44:48.960 And the fact that we

00:44:49.640 can document that on a

00:44:50.920 daily basis from the

00:44:51.960 scientific literature.

00:44:53.900 And so I tell skeptics

00:44:55.220 on university campuses,

00:44:57.240 if you're not

00:44:57.640 persuaded today, wait

00:44:59.120 one month.

00:45:00.100 See how much stronger

00:45:01.140 the evidence becomes.

00:45:02.880 And as you see it

00:45:03.640 mounting at that

00:45:04.720 dramatic of a rate,

00:45:06.240 perhaps you need to

00:45:07.080 seriously consider what

00:45:08.180 the Bible says you

00:45:09.000 need to do about

00:45:09.640 your life.

00:45:11.340 More with you in

00:45:12.240 just a second.

00:45:13.740 I mean, he's

00:45:14.180 fascinating.

00:45:15.100 And obviously science

00:45:18.480 is something that I

00:45:19.460 love, but he

00:45:20.200 understands it and

00:45:21.520 it's all math.

00:45:23.340 And math is really

00:45:25.840 all you need to

00:45:26.700 understand a lot of

00:45:29.000 things.

00:45:29.620 You know, how the

00:45:30.560 earth was created or

00:45:31.660 how the government is

00:45:33.520 destroying our dollar.

00:45:34.600 It's all math.

00:45:36.840 When you print money

00:45:37.940 like it's going out of

00:45:39.060 style to the tune of

00:45:40.760 one trillion dollars

00:45:42.540 every 100 days,

00:45:44.540 that's what we're

00:45:45.560 borrowing and printing

00:45:46.560 right now.

00:45:47.820 There comes a time

00:45:49.260 when it all breaks

00:45:50.460 down because the

00:45:51.560 numbers are too big

00:45:52.920 and nobody wants to

00:45:55.160 loan you that money

00:45:56.100 and now you have to

00:45:57.240 pay it back.

00:45:59.080 May I suggest that

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00:46:03.240 hell in a hand

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00:46:04.600 you start saving

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00:46:50.000 So, what do you think

00:46:52.920 of quantum mechanics?

00:46:54.420 Oh, I love

00:46:55.380 quantum mechanics.

00:46:57.400 You can't have life

00:46:59.160 without quantum mechanics.

00:47:00.760 I mean, your body is

00:47:02.180 filled with proteins that

00:47:03.620 act like transistors.

00:47:05.600 And what's interesting is

00:47:06.880 the uncertainty in quantum

00:47:08.540 mechanics must be fine-tuned

00:47:10.920 for life to exist.

00:47:12.320 So, make the uncertainty

00:47:13.940 bigger, those proteins

00:47:15.620 will fail to operate.

00:47:17.080 Make it smaller, they

00:47:18.280 will fail to operate.

00:47:20.020 I mean, it was a big

00:47:21.480 debate between Niels Bohr

00:47:23.060 and Albert Einstein.

00:47:24.340 Does God play with

00:47:25.820 dice?

00:47:26.380 Right.

00:47:26.640 We now know that God

00:47:28.080 does play with dice,

00:47:29.380 but he carefully designs

00:47:30.860 the dice to get exactly

00:47:32.040 what he wants.

00:47:33.640 So, uncertainty is a

00:47:34.840 crucial factor, not just

00:47:36.660 in quantum mechanics, but

00:47:38.560 in statistical mechanics.

00:47:39.960 You also need the

00:47:41.760 uncertainty to get the

00:47:42.800 Brownian motion to work.

00:47:44.700 Again, there's engines

00:47:45.940 inside, you know,

00:47:47.080 molecules inside your

00:47:48.220 cells that operate in

00:47:50.020 Brownian motion.

00:47:51.620 So, the statistical

00:47:52.920 uncertainty you get in

00:47:54.020 thermodynamics is crucial

00:47:55.740 for life to exist.

00:47:57.320 So, tell me, and again,

00:47:58.800 I am sorry, you're

00:47:59.920 talking way down here,

00:48:01.360 but the idea of, like,

00:48:04.800 quantum computing is

00:48:06.440 that it takes everything

00:48:07.980 all at once, right?

00:48:09.420 It takes all of the

00:48:10.600 possibilities at once,

00:48:13.060 which leads you to

00:48:14.980 fiction of parallel

00:48:17.140 universe and everything

00:48:18.820 else.

00:48:20.100 Is any of that

00:48:23.680 real?

00:48:25.980 Well, the thing about

00:48:26.960 quantum computing is you

00:48:28.480 have to deal with the

00:48:29.380 quantum uncertainties that

00:48:30.700 are involved.

00:48:31.960 And so, how they make

00:48:33.140 quantum computing viable

00:48:35.280 is you have tens of

00:48:37.240 thousands of quantum

00:48:38.760 computers all working in

00:48:40.580 parallel, which reduces

00:48:42.340 the uncertainty you get

00:48:43.500 from the quantum effects.

00:48:45.420 So, yeah, Heisenberg's

00:48:46.420 uncertainty principle, we

00:48:47.580 have to take that into

00:48:48.440 account.

00:48:49.640 And our human brain

00:48:50.720 basically is a huge

00:48:51.840 parallel processor.

00:48:53.600 And so, yeah, there's a

00:48:54.660 goal.

00:48:55.200 Can we make quantum

00:48:56.900 computing able to launch

00:48:59.140 the next advance in

00:49:00.300 computer capability?

00:49:01.760 Where we know we can

00:49:03.820 make good progress is

00:49:06.060 getting better storage.

00:49:08.900 And so, there's actually

00:49:09.800 a serious effort.

00:49:11.980 DNA stores information

00:49:14.320 at the smallest possible

00:49:16.160 level within the laws of

00:49:18.060 physics.

00:49:18.920 And so, they're actually

00:49:19.760 saying maybe the next

00:49:20.700 flash drive is going to be

00:49:22.740 a bunch of DNA that

00:49:25.160 stores information for us.

00:49:26.620 So, maybe we can get

00:49:27.800 another factor of a

00:49:29.480 thousand or a million

00:49:30.280 times storage capability

00:49:31.740 in small devices.

00:49:34.160 Quantum computing is

00:49:35.180 going to be a little

00:49:35.660 more challenging.

00:49:37.220 What do you think

00:49:37.940 about AI?

00:49:39.380 I just gave a talk

00:49:40.660 on AI last week at a

00:49:42.440 university, Marshall

00:49:43.660 University in West

00:49:44.500 Virginia, basically

00:49:46.320 making the point that

00:49:48.600 AI can do things far

00:49:50.880 more rapidly than we

00:49:52.000 human beings, but it's

00:49:53.980 totally dependent on the

00:49:55.340 diet that we feed it.

00:49:56.620 It can't produce new

00:49:57.960 databases.

00:49:59.000 It can't reason.

00:50:00.640 But boy, is it ever

00:50:01.440 effective at going

00:50:02.740 through huge databases

00:50:04.220 and spitting out the

00:50:05.680 answers we want

00:50:06.440 quickly.

00:50:07.740 However, if you ever

00:50:08.780 use ChatGT, you need

00:50:11.540 to guide it.

00:50:12.700 If you let it loose on

00:50:13.820 its own, it's like

00:50:14.780 letting a toddler loose

00:50:15.980 in a toy store.

00:50:17.560 Things will happen that

00:50:18.660 you don't want to

00:50:19.320 happen.

00:50:20.340 But if you appropriately

00:50:21.360 guide it, you can get

00:50:23.260 really good results.

00:50:24.620 I mean, it can write a

00:50:25.580 40-page review paper in

00:50:27.560 15 seconds.

00:50:29.060 No human's capable of

00:50:30.360 that.

00:50:31.240 ChatGP can do that, but

00:50:33.120 you really need to be

00:50:34.140 careful what it's

00:50:35.180 analyzing.

00:50:36.420 And so I love what that

00:50:37.460 ChatGPT does right now.

00:50:39.500 Do you like the answer I

00:50:40.460 gave you?

00:50:41.260 And if you say no, it'll

00:50:42.520 take a different

00:50:43.200 algorithm path.

00:50:43.960 Try to give you what you

00:50:45.560 want.

00:50:47.020 But it works even better

00:50:48.400 if you say, narrow your

00:50:50.160 search to here.

00:50:52.240 And what you need to do

00:50:53.600 is help the AI system not

00:50:55.920 to go off on tangents.

00:50:57.020 So what do you think, though,

00:50:58.980 that, I mean, the AI

00:51:01.360 scientists and creators are

00:51:03.840 now saying that, well,

00:51:06.140 that's because it's young,

00:51:08.040 it's like a child, and it

00:51:09.900 will start to learn.

00:51:11.620 It will get better.

00:51:12.840 Right.

00:51:13.240 But it's always going to be

00:51:14.560 dependent on the databases

00:51:15.980 you feed it.

00:51:16.760 It cannot produce brand new

00:51:18.260 databases, and it can't

00:51:20.300 reason.

00:51:20.900 It can copy your reasoning

00:51:22.300 steps.

00:51:22.840 There's a much bigger AI

00:51:24.780 system called Minerva, and

00:51:26.920 all they feed it is math

00:51:28.620 textbooks and math papers

00:51:30.360 and examples of the

00:51:32.600 solutions of math problems.

00:51:34.760 But here's how well it does

00:51:36.280 in grade nine algebra

00:51:37.540 problems.

00:51:38.360 It gets 50% correct.

00:51:40.800 This system is three times

00:51:42.140 bigger than ChatGPT.

00:51:43.820 Why?

00:51:44.900 Well, because it can't

00:51:46.080 reason.

00:51:47.180 Now, what they've done to

00:51:48.040 try to, see, ChatGPT gets

00:51:49.740 26% on freshman

00:51:52.280 algebra tests.

00:51:54.420 Minerva, it does much

00:51:55.540 better, 50%.

00:51:56.740 The reason why it does

00:51:58.160 much better, it's not

00:51:59.320 distracted.

00:52:00.100 It's only analyzing

00:52:01.440 mathematical databases.

00:52:03.120 Narrow AI.

00:52:03.980 And basically, it's being

00:52:05.780 fed, hey, here's some

00:52:07.280 sample algebra problems.

00:52:09.120 Here are all the reasoning

00:52:10.100 steps.

00:52:10.980 So it's basically copying

00:52:12.220 these reasoning steps and

00:52:13.920 integrating to see what

00:52:15.080 typically works best on

00:52:16.880 these problems.

00:52:17.960 That's why it gets 50%.

00:52:19.500 But, you know, a grade

00:52:21.340 nine algebra student gets

00:52:22.920 50%.

00:52:23.720 That's a failure.

00:52:25.000 Right.

00:52:25.540 So.

00:52:27.080 So, have you ever read

00:52:29.240 Age of Spiritual Machines

00:52:30.560 by Ray Kurzweil?

00:52:32.360 No, I haven't.

00:52:33.300 Okay.

00:52:33.660 Yeah.

00:52:33.900 So, you wouldn't agree.

00:52:36.440 You wouldn't agree on a lot.

00:52:37.360 Oh, I'm familiar with

00:52:38.320 his stuff.

00:52:39.100 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:52:39.880 So, he wrote this back in

00:52:41.620 the 90s, and it

00:52:42.440 fascinated me because I

00:52:47.800 think we are playing

00:52:49.260 God.

00:52:50.000 I think we think we're

00:52:51.120 God, and we're playing

00:52:52.200 God, and we have no idea

00:52:55.440 what we're doing.

00:52:56.400 Well, one of the problems

00:52:57.480 with AI is you've got people

00:52:59.040 thinking we can duplicate

00:53:00.320 human consciousness.

00:53:01.360 That's because they think

00:53:03.400 human consciousness is

00:53:04.760 purely physical.

00:53:06.700 I got 50 books in my

00:53:08.020 library written by people

00:53:09.340 trying to come up with the

00:53:10.980 origin of human

00:53:11.820 consciousness.

00:53:13.100 What they all have in

00:53:14.100 common is they end up by

00:53:15.640 saying, we don't have a

00:53:16.880 clue.

00:53:17.620 Right.

00:53:18.340 So, it's because they're

00:53:19.560 looking in the wrong area.

00:53:21.180 The Bible tells us our mind

00:53:23.140 and our consciousness is not

00:53:25.260 physics.

00:53:25.920 It's not chemistry.

00:53:27.040 It's not biology.

00:53:28.000 There's something non-physical

00:53:30.420 that controls our brain.

00:53:31.940 I like to think of our brain

00:53:33.200 as like a computer interface.

00:53:36.080 It's something our

00:53:36.920 consciousness uses to be able

00:53:38.780 to communicate with the

00:53:40.100 physical world.

00:53:41.760 You know, I've watched

00:53:42.460 people undergoing severe

00:53:45.100 dementia in the latter years

00:53:46.900 of their life.

00:53:48.340 You can see the conscious

00:53:49.800 person struggling to

00:53:51.400 communicate.

00:53:52.100 Yes.

00:53:52.500 And frustrated that they

00:53:53.700 can't.

00:53:54.240 Yes.

00:53:54.880 The interface is not

00:53:56.060 working.

00:53:56.460 The physical interface is

00:53:57.940 failing them, but it doesn't

00:53:59.540 mean the consciousness is

00:54:00.760 gone.

00:54:01.180 It's there.

00:54:03.340 Ray believes that, I mean,

00:54:05.860 he's collected all the

00:54:06.840 information on his father,

00:54:08.260 everything he can.

00:54:09.260 I really believe he's kind of

00:54:11.340 a modern-day Frankenstein in a

00:54:12.940 way.

00:54:13.820 He believes he can recreate

00:54:15.540 his father, at least the

00:54:17.500 intelligence and the intellect,

00:54:21.740 he believes, of his father.

00:54:23.100 Um, and he told me one time,

00:54:25.540 there won't be any death

00:54:27.000 after 2030 because we'll be

00:54:28.620 able to download you.

00:54:30.860 And, and I've said to him,

00:54:32.720 but that's not life, Ray.

00:54:35.800 That that's, that's a copy of

00:54:38.760 how I think and what I know,

00:54:41.100 but that's not me.

00:54:42.400 You can download the

00:54:43.460 information storage that you've

00:54:45.400 accumulated in your brain.

00:54:46.660 That's feasible.

00:54:47.580 The conscious, no.

00:54:49.340 Right.

00:54:49.580 Because the conscious isn't

00:54:50.660 physical.

00:54:51.500 And, and, and part of that is,

00:54:53.660 I've been pondering that ever

00:54:55.880 since we had this conversation

00:54:57.120 of what, one of the things that

00:55:00.320 makes me nervous about AI is if

00:55:01.960 we start treating it as, uh,

00:55:05.800 alive, it, it doesn't have, I

00:55:10.020 mean, my life changed because of

00:55:12.320 a spiritual connection.

00:55:13.900 Right.

00:55:14.720 I would have gone off the path.

00:55:16.100 What keeps me on the path of

00:55:19.400 positive growth and everything

00:55:21.020 else is a spiritual connection,

00:55:24.760 uh, a healthy fear of God, an

00:55:27.820 understanding that we are all

00:55:30.000 connected on things that science

00:55:32.440 can't prove.

00:55:33.400 So if he collects everything that

00:55:35.780 I am and then puts me up and,

00:55:37.940 and says, well, here's, here's

00:55:40.260 your grandpa and a grandpa never

00:55:42.340 died.

00:55:42.760 I, I feel like grandpa would

00:55:45.160 become a monster after a while

00:55:47.400 because it wouldn't take in any

00:55:49.740 of the spiritual guidance that you

00:55:53.280 get.

00:55:53.780 Does that make sense to you?

00:55:55.140 It does.

00:55:55.800 And I would say science has a way

00:55:57.460 of actually proving that because

00:55:59.200 the space time theorems tell us

00:56:00.940 there's a causal agent beyond

00:56:02.560 space, time, matter, and energy.

00:56:04.400 So yes, there is something that

00:56:06.320 does transcend physics, chemistry,

00:56:08.420 and biology.

00:56:09.500 So if God is in that spirit realm,

00:56:12.620 why can't we be in that spirit

00:56:14.540 realm, especially when the Bible

00:56:15.860 explicitly tells us so?

00:56:18.080 I mean, you've got the proof of

00:56:19.220 the resurrection of Jesus from the

00:56:20.880 dead.

00:56:21.720 Uh, you have people coming back from

00:56:23.520 the dead.

00:56:24.320 You've got near-death experiences.

00:56:26.400 I mean, there's a lot of evidence

00:56:28.400 that there is something beyond this

00:56:30.460 physical realm.

00:56:31.620 And it tells us in the Bible in

00:56:33.440 Ecclesiastes, eternity is written on

00:56:35.740 the heart of every human being.

00:56:37.180 You know, I debate atheist physicists

00:56:39.660 on university campuses, and yet they

00:56:42.900 all claim they've got ultimate

00:56:44.520 purpose and destiny.

00:56:46.360 And I say, well, if the world is

00:56:47.960 purely materialistic, you don't.

00:56:51.840 Uh, you know, I debated the particle

00:56:53.380 physicist Victor Stinger at Caltech at

00:56:55.840 the International Skeptic Society.

00:56:58.000 I talked to them afterwards because

00:56:59.720 they gave him the last word at the

00:57:01.260 debate.

00:57:01.640 And when he told the audience,

00:57:03.440 remember one thing, you are all

00:57:05.980 cold nothing.

00:57:07.800 So I talked to him afterwards and

00:57:09.080 said, you're the only honest atheist

00:57:10.900 scientist that's been at this

00:57:12.220 conference.

00:57:13.000 The rest of them are claiming they've

00:57:15.000 got purpose, they've got destiny,

00:57:16.780 they've got meaning.

00:57:18.020 You're saying all that is untrue.

00:57:20.020 And he says, yes, I agree with you.

00:57:22.400 If there is no God, then indeed,

00:57:24.840 we're no better off than a rock or a

00:57:26.460 piece of dust.

00:57:27.780 But nobody really believes that.

00:57:29.960 And the fact that we see this, even in

00:57:31.760 the hearts of, you know, very

00:57:33.340 intelligent atheists, that there is

00:57:35.440 some ultimate purpose and destiny

00:57:37.140 tells us there is a realm beyond the

00:57:40.080 physical.

00:57:41.740 This is what, I think this is, you know,

00:57:47.660 darkness has always been in the heart

00:57:49.240 of man and, and man's inhumanity, man

00:57:52.900 is not new, but Darwin codified the

00:57:59.060 follow the science, not science,

00:58:02.760 follow the science.

00:58:04.280 Right.

00:58:04.720 And he codified subspecies of humans.

00:58:11.240 You know, we had racism, but then he

00:58:13.320 said, science, there is a preservation,

00:58:16.780 a preservation of favored races.

00:58:19.560 And, and with that is born eugenics.

00:58:25.740 And when you, when you don't have a,

00:58:31.000 a God and your God is science and you

00:58:36.860 think that there's no meaning for people,

00:58:40.880 you know, that we can make better people

00:58:43.460 and there's no, you, you, you end up

00:58:46.600 doing horrific, horrific things.

00:58:49.620 Yeah, you don't value your fellow men.

00:58:50.960 There's no value.

00:58:52.220 Yeah.

00:58:53.280 So, I mean, even if that were right,

00:58:56.940 it's extraordinarily dangerous.

00:59:00.360 Well, we see that in the personages of

00:59:02.920 Adolf Hitler and Joe Stalin.

00:59:05.280 They didn't value human life.

00:59:07.440 So, and look, look at the consequences.

00:59:09.340 Are we, are we repeating

00:59:15.140 the same old, I mean, the same story

00:59:20.960 over and over again?

00:59:22.260 Because you look at what we went through

00:59:24.740 in the turn of the 20th century with

00:59:27.600 science.

00:59:29.300 Now I feel like we have all the tools

00:59:32.260 that they were trying, they were hoping

00:59:33.980 they could find.

00:59:34.760 We have all of these tools now at our

00:59:37.960 disposal to do all kinds of things to

00:59:41.820 make the perfect species in their mind.

00:59:44.860 Well, we actually have the technology

00:59:46.280 today to, you know, we can make

00:59:48.740 artificial limbs.

00:59:50.060 Correct.

00:59:50.400 That the mind can control.

00:59:51.880 It's like having a real limb.

00:59:54.120 So I'm in favor of those kinds of

00:59:56.400 advances where I'm basically drawing a

00:59:59.760 line of saying the attempt to build a

01:00:01.900 superhuman is a mistake.

01:00:04.840 There will be unintended consequences.

01:00:07.680 I mean, it is true, for example, our

01:00:09.320 backbone is not optimized for sitting

01:00:12.280 at a desk 12 hours a day.

01:00:14.540 But our backbone was designed so that

01:00:16.580 we could run, we could walk, we could

01:00:18.720 stand, we could sit, we can sleep, all

01:00:21.400 for long periods of time.

01:00:23.400 Which means the backbone has to be

01:00:25.120 compromised to some extent for one of

01:00:27.180 those activities.

01:00:28.340 Because God designed it for multiple

01:00:29.960 activities, it'd be easy for people to

01:00:33.080 say, hey, we can improve the human body

01:00:35.120 here and ignore the fact that it

01:00:37.420 damages the human body in other areas.

01:00:40.460 You see that.

01:00:41.460 You take drugs.

01:00:42.400 You take any kind of drug that will

01:00:44.280 help you.

01:00:45.100 Right.

01:00:45.500 It's a chain of events that destroy

01:00:48.540 elsewhere.

01:00:48.960 Well, what's happening on university

01:00:49.420 campuses, they now have what are called

01:00:52.160 intellectual steroids.

01:00:54.300 They're pills that you can take that

01:00:56.460 really enhance your memory and allow you

01:00:59.280 to do phenomenally well on college exams.

01:01:01.800 Wow, I'd like some of those.

01:01:03.260 Well, there are consequences.

01:01:05.380 It works well for people who have a

01:01:07.060 damaged memory.

01:01:07.980 It'll help them recover their memory.

01:01:09.620 But if you give it to a healthy

01:01:10.980 person, now they're no longer able to

01:01:14.480 forget.

01:01:15.680 And not being able to forget is

01:01:17.800 damaging.

01:01:18.680 They're not able to forget.

01:01:20.120 They're not able to forget.

01:01:21.200 Moreover, they lose their ability to

01:01:24.360 emotionally connect.

01:01:25.420 And so as people say, hey, look how much

01:01:28.180 better I do on this test at the college.

01:01:30.440 And then they discover for the next 10

01:01:32.560 years, they have significant social

01:01:35.120 handicaps.

01:01:36.080 So we're trying to improve on what God

01:01:38.140 did.

01:01:38.620 And whenever we do that, we find out,

01:01:41.560 hey.

01:01:42.220 Yeah, I got to I got to tell you the.

01:01:43.760 You know, I feel bad for the people who

01:01:46.520 have perfect recollection.

01:01:48.100 I think that's what hell is.

01:01:49.880 Perfect recollection of everything you've

01:01:52.060 done wrong.

01:01:52.560 Well, there is a genetic disorder where

01:01:54.440 people can't forget.

01:01:56.040 They don't do well.

01:01:57.180 They don't do well.

01:01:58.200 I mean, they're always thinking

01:01:59.620 concretely, never abstractly.

01:02:02.140 They have a hard time analyzing figures

01:02:05.060 of speech.

01:02:06.140 They come back.

01:02:07.460 You give them a date.

01:02:08.640 They come back and they're reliving the

01:02:10.340 emotion of that day as if it's happening

01:02:13.960 because it's perfect.

01:02:14.600 But you know what?

01:02:14.800 They make phenomenal journalists because

01:02:16.460 they don't have to take notes.

01:02:20.480 So let's let me let me go on on AI.

01:02:27.480 What happens to us?

01:02:29.400 How do we judge?

01:02:30.580 Because there are already people who are

01:02:31.760 saying this.

01:02:33.240 Judge EPT.

01:02:34.160 I mean.

01:02:36.000 It's it's it's a sentient being.

01:02:38.040 No, it's no, it's not.

01:02:39.220 It's not.

01:02:39.560 But but we're getting so good at

01:02:42.600 tricking humans.

01:02:43.800 I I see a time where.

01:02:45.640 Well, they're actually thinking of

01:02:47.020 passing a law that when you engage

01:02:49.100 in AI system, the AI system has to

01:02:51.560 tell you in advance that it's AI and

01:02:53.800 not a human being.

01:02:55.620 And it's all based on the fact that

01:02:57.580 they've designed an AI system to do

01:03:00.180 Rogerian therapy.

01:03:02.360 And a Rogerian therapist basically ask

01:03:04.540 you questions so that you come up with

01:03:06.300 the answer on your own.

01:03:07.320 And so it's very easy to program an AI

01:03:10.280 system to ask you, you know, meaningful

01:03:12.620 questions about what's going on in your

01:03:14.640 life.

01:03:15.400 The problem is there is records of showing

01:03:18.480 that people thought they were engaging a

01:03:20.300 real human being rather than a computer

01:03:22.780 system.

01:03:23.560 And the most dramatic case, one guy

01:03:26.360 divorced his wife and tried to marry his

01:03:29.360 computer therapist and then found out, oh, it

01:03:32.480 wasn't a real human being.

01:03:33.740 And so they're saying, hey, this has

01:03:36.180 happened more than once.

01:03:37.860 We need to tell the human that's being

01:03:40.280 interviewed.

01:03:41.220 You're talking to a computer.

01:03:43.540 But I believe that there will come a time

01:03:46.120 probably not too far away where once

01:03:48.860 you're once everyone has access to an AI

01:03:53.100 assistant who listens to everything, can

01:03:57.380 write your emails, can think like you, is

01:04:01.220 is programmed to watch for your needs and

01:04:05.520 your wants and and to protect you or to

01:04:09.800 suggest, you know, I'm really man, I'm

01:04:12.360 having a bad day, blah, blah, blah.

01:04:15.460 It will remember that your favorite spot in

01:04:18.260 the world is some beach in Hawaii and it

01:04:21.840 will say, you know what?

01:04:23.460 I cleared your schedule and you're going

01:04:28.360 and people will bond with that and they

01:04:34.020 will claim that that is their best friend

01:04:37.040 because they know everything about them

01:04:38.840 and they never have to listen about how

01:04:40.880 bad their day is.

01:04:42.120 They don't.

01:04:43.700 But it also means they disengage with real

01:04:46.360 human.

01:04:46.860 Yes.

01:04:47.220 And, you know, because of AI, notice today

01:04:50.680 we have a loneliness epidemic.

01:04:53.140 You know, we got a relationship deficit

01:04:55.560 epidemic and anxiety epidemic.

01:04:58.440 I mean, we now know the one reason why

01:05:00.680 COVID hit America so hard.

01:05:02.600 One of the factors that really exacerbates

01:05:05.040 COVID is anxiety.

01:05:07.120 Americans are incredibly anxious.

01:05:09.760 But our AI technology today basically spawns

01:05:14.440 that.

01:05:14.720 But I think one thing that's going to

01:05:16.420 protect people, we all realize these

01:05:18.400 systems need to make money.

01:05:20.920 And so we see online is, yes, AI basically

01:05:24.100 figures out what you want, but its

01:05:26.140 motivation is to get you to buy more

01:05:27.880 stuff.

01:05:28.820 So, and hopefully people are smart enough

01:05:31.320 to realize, hey, I'm being tricked into

01:05:33.000 spending money I don't need to spend.

01:05:34.960 Oh, the father of propaganda,

01:05:38.820 Brene said, we just have, you know, the

01:05:42.680 problem with this country is, is it's a

01:05:45.360 nation of needs, not of wants.

01:05:49.040 Right.

01:05:49.320 Our goal is to change that to a nation of

01:05:52.580 wants and not needs.

01:05:54.120 And they were pretty darn effective.

01:05:56.100 They were.

01:05:56.640 You know, and we didn't know.

01:05:59.140 What do you think about

01:06:01.020 bringing things like the woolly mammoth

01:06:05.440 back?

01:06:05.860 Well, I wrote an article years ago saying

01:06:09.720 that, you know, we benefited from the

01:06:11.680 extinction of the woolly mammoths because

01:06:13.880 just before they went extinct, they were

01:06:16.920 basically destroying all the Siberian

01:06:19.260 Canadian forests.

01:06:21.240 And if that had happened, it would have been

01:06:22.600 devastating to the ecosystems.

01:06:25.080 Fortunately, they went extinct and maybe we

01:06:27.140 humans had a big hand in that because

01:06:29.140 that's a really easy meal.

01:06:30.640 Kill one mammoth.

01:06:31.480 You got food for 4,000 people for several

01:06:34.040 days.

01:06:34.900 Jeez.

01:06:35.360 So, but I think there is the possibility of

01:06:40.000 bringing the woolly mammoth back.

01:06:41.920 Why would we do that?

01:06:43.540 Well, you can put them in a zoo.

01:06:46.040 I talked to the guy who's working on it and

01:06:49.560 he said he's bringing it back for global

01:06:53.940 warming reasons that they will have a

01:06:56.720 positive impact on global warming.

01:07:00.640 And I'm like, I'm sure their farts are

01:07:03.040 enormous, all that methane gas.

01:07:06.320 And they were destroying forests.

01:07:09.960 What do you, don't things go extinct for

01:07:13.480 a reason?

01:07:15.200 Yes, but I think you got people saying,

01:07:17.660 hey, if there is no God, we have to do

01:07:20.300 everything to preserve the species.

01:07:22.220 The thermodynamics is going to cause species

01:07:24.120 to go extinct.

01:07:25.180 Although I do agree we humans certainly

01:07:27.420 are hastening it.

01:07:28.500 So we're a big reason why species are

01:07:30.720 going extinct.

01:07:31.700 So I think that was motivating people.

01:07:33.660 Hey, maybe we can bring some species

01:07:35.140 back that we drove to extinction.

01:07:38.040 The technology is basically looking at,

01:07:40.420 okay, we've mapped the genome of the

01:07:42.480 woolly mammoth.

01:07:43.860 Maybe we can alter the, uh, the egg of

01:07:47.920 an elephant so that basically it has the

01:07:50.840 embryo of a woolly mammoth and have the

01:07:52.680 elephant give birth to the woolly mammoth.

01:07:55.000 That's basically the technological path

01:07:57.140 they're seeking.

01:07:58.100 So it will be a woolly mammoth.

01:08:00.480 It will be a woolly mammoth.

01:08:02.000 If everything works like the way they

01:08:03.440 think it is.

01:08:04.480 And, you know, within a decade, we may

01:08:06.360 have woolly mammoths and zoos that that's

01:08:08.640 a possibility.

01:08:10.380 Uh, but yeah, I would recommend we don't

01:08:12.200 turn them loose in the tundra or the

01:08:14.660 tiger.

01:08:15.560 I mean, it just, I mean, I hate to bring

01:08:18.600 it to this, but does anybody watch

01:08:20.060 Jurassic Park, there's, there's the, it

01:08:24.380 will completely change everything.

01:08:27.200 It will.

01:08:27.800 I mean, uh, Jurassic Park is a bit of a

01:08:29.920 stretch.

01:08:30.580 Right, right.

01:08:31.100 I mean, the woolly mammoth, uh, they were

01:08:32.620 running around just 3000 years ago, so

01:08:34.740 they haven't been extinct that long.

01:08:36.700 And because they've been flash frozen in

01:08:39.640 various ice regions of Canada, uh, we've

01:08:42.520 been able to recover that the genome and

01:08:44.700 get an accurate picture of that.

01:08:46.480 That's hard to do once you get into the

01:08:48.660 millions of years ago.

01:08:50.140 How, how, how were they flash frozen?

01:08:52.760 I mean, they had buttercups in their

01:08:54.140 stomachs.

01:08:55.140 Yes.

01:08:56.000 Well, uh, my father grew up in Alberta and

01:08:59.200 they have these Chinooks where within one

01:09:02.180 or two hours, the temperature rises by 80

01:09:05.060 to a hundred degrees.

01:09:06.540 You also got the reverse Chinook where the

01:09:08.860 temperature drops by 80 to a hundred

01:09:10.680 degrees in an hour or two.

01:09:12.300 Oh my gosh.

01:09:13.200 And when it drops that fast, you're

01:09:14.800 basically flash freezing live animals in

01:09:18.200 place to such a degree that there are

01:09:21.100 occasions when the Canadian government

01:09:22.780 serves a mammoth meat at their state

01:09:25.540 dinners because the meat is still good

01:09:27.800 to eat.

01:09:28.660 You've got to be kidding me.

01:09:30.680 I mean, that, it takes a special

01:09:32.700 invitation to get to one of those

01:09:34.160 dinners.

01:09:34.260 I'm sure it does.

01:09:35.260 And I don't, I don't know if I would

01:09:36.860 want to wonder what it tastes like.

01:09:38.140 Probably chicken.

01:09:39.480 Um, uh, do you believe in extraterrestrial

01:09:43.380 life?

01:09:43.840 Well, that's something that Christians

01:09:46.220 have been debating for 2000 years.

01:09:49.020 Cause, uh, you look at Psalm 104, it's

01:09:51.220 like, God seems to really enjoy creating.

01:09:53.800 Why would he stop on one planet?

01:09:55.640 What a waste of space, as Sagan said.

01:09:57.520 Yeah.

01:09:57.880 What a waste of space.

01:09:59.520 Um, and I had Sagan as a professor when I

01:10:02.120 was at the university.

01:10:02.660 Did you really?

01:10:04.360 Well, you know what's fun about that?

01:10:05.880 He kept saying the only hope for

01:10:07.700 humanity is we tune our telescopes

01:10:10.120 towards these, uh, distant planets.

01:10:13.220 Maybe we can find an intelligent, uh,

01:10:15.280 civilization and surely they've written

01:10:17.980 a book that will solve all the problems

01:10:19.800 that we humans face.

01:10:21.340 He called it the Encyclopedia Galactica.

01:10:25.020 Well, I think I was the only Christian

01:10:27.080 in the room, but I said, don't we already

01:10:28.760 have an Encyclopedia Galactica?

01:10:30.940 And isn't Carl's problem that he's not

01:10:32.880 willing to read it?

01:10:34.580 He overheard me.

01:10:36.100 Oh boy.

01:10:36.680 And he says, I know about that book.

01:10:38.560 Nobody can live up to its moral standard.

01:10:41.540 It's like, but that's the point of the

01:10:43.040 book.

01:10:43.620 No one can live up to its moral standard.

01:10:46.040 We need God's help to be able to pull

01:10:48.140 that off.

01:10:49.060 That's what's unique about the Christian

01:10:50.720 faith.

01:10:52.200 So, but yeah, so there's a major effort.

01:10:54.940 Let's see if we can find, I mean, even

01:10:56.500 today, SETI, the Search for Extraterrestrial

01:10:59.240 Intelligent Life.

01:11:01.560 Um, and there are passages in the Bible that

01:11:04.700 say we're probably alone because we notice

01:11:07.060 in the Gospels, Jesus frequently refused to

01:11:10.480 perform miracles, which implies he only

01:11:13.640 performs those miracles that are necessary

01:11:15.980 to achieve his purpose.

01:11:18.120 And there are theologians who argue God only

01:11:20.060 needs one planet.

01:11:21.700 As an astronomer, I can tell you, unless you

01:11:24.700 have a universe with two trillion galaxies,

01:11:27.780 where that makes up only a quarter percent of

01:11:29.880 the totality of the universe, that's what it

01:11:33.220 takes to get one planet.

01:11:34.380 So if God wanted one planet on which we...

01:11:37.400 If he does play dice.

01:11:38.560 Yeah.

01:11:39.820 We're really talking about God having to

01:11:42.340 create a universe of a huge size.

01:11:44.380 So it's not a waste of space.

01:11:46.460 The universe's mass must be exactly what it

01:11:48.940 is to get the periodic table of elements.

01:11:52.120 And without all those elements, you can't

01:11:54.040 have life and you can't have advanced

01:11:55.660 civilization.

01:11:56.160 So we're here because of how precisely

01:11:59.820 tuned the mass of the universe was and its

01:12:02.860 age was to make all this possible.

01:12:05.980 But I can share this with you from an

01:12:07.760 astronomical perspective.

01:12:09.440 Everywhere we look beyond Earth, we see

01:12:11.860 conditions that are very hostile to the

01:12:14.600 existence of advanced life and maybe any

01:12:16.980 life at all.

01:12:18.520 However, having said that, I've been on public

01:12:20.460 record since the 1980s.

01:12:22.140 We will find the remains of life on almost

01:12:26.040 every solar system body.

01:12:28.840 Because it started and died out.

01:12:31.960 No, because Earth has been exporting

01:12:35.360 microbes for billions of years.

01:12:37.880 Every time a meteorite strikes the Earth a

01:12:40.100 sufficient size, you get microbes traveling

01:12:43.160 through interplanetary space.

01:12:44.920 Wow.

01:12:45.040 But I have friends who've calculated how

01:12:48.680 much Earth's soil exists on the surface of

01:12:51.220 the moon.

01:12:52.360 20,000 kilograms for every 100 square

01:12:55.040 kilometers.

01:12:56.100 There's a lot of Earth's soil on the moon.

01:12:58.880 One ton of Earth's soil has 100 quadrillion

01:13:01.880 microbes in it.

01:13:03.900 And I actually spoke at NASA Houston saying

01:13:06.640 we've got to go back to the moon.

01:13:08.600 We don't need to send people.

01:13:10.220 We can do it with machines.

01:13:11.760 But we need to go with a different mission.

01:13:13.360 Not to recover pristine lunar rocks, but to

01:13:16.640 recover that Earth-transported soil.

01:13:19.620 Because we'll be able to solve the origin

01:13:21.400 of life problem.

01:13:23.060 Because Earth's geology has destroyed the

01:13:25.640 fossils of Earth's first life.

01:13:27.460 But the moon is geologically inactive.

01:13:30.500 The fossils of Earth's first life are in

01:13:32.480 pristine form on the surface of the moon.

01:13:35.080 We can go there and figure out who got the

01:13:37.460 origin of life model right.

01:13:39.140 The theist or the atheist.

01:13:40.860 And I would close that message.

01:13:43.460 It says, this is a no-brainer.

01:13:45.580 Last time I checked, atheists and theists

01:13:47.640 made up 100% of the U.S. taxpayer bills.

01:13:51.920 Wow.

01:13:52.780 So yeah, NASA could actually determine, hey,

01:13:55.580 did the theists get it right?

01:13:56.820 Or did the atheists get it right?

01:13:58.780 We can find out.

01:14:00.280 Why is the dark side of the moon so important?

01:14:04.140 It's very important, especially, I'm a radio

01:14:06.800 astronomer.

01:14:07.740 It's especially important because radio

01:14:09.580 pollution on the Earth is huge.

01:14:11.780 Silence.

01:14:12.420 It's like a giant hole of silence, right?

01:14:14.280 So if we go to the backside of the moon, it

01:14:16.420 blocks out all the radio noise from the

01:14:19.160 Earth.

01:14:19.940 In fact, there's a mission in 2026 to put

01:14:24.300 four radio telescopes in the backside of the

01:14:26.820 moon.

01:14:27.700 Like the SETI-sized telescopes?

01:14:29.740 Big ones?

01:14:30.160 No, these would be small ones because what

01:14:32.180 they're realizing is the ionosphere and the

01:14:35.500 atmosphere of the Earth permits extremely low

01:14:38.420 frequency radio observations.

01:14:41.100 But if we go to the backside of the moon, there's

01:14:43.320 no ionosphere.

01:14:44.320 There's no atmosphere.

01:14:45.560 So we can actually make measurements of 100

01:14:48.140 meters of wavelength.

01:14:49.300 And that wavelength is crucial to understand the

01:14:53.100 physics of the firstborn stars in the universe.

01:14:55.680 So that mission is scheduled for 2026.

01:14:58.600 And they're going to robotically assemble the

01:15:01.420 radio telescopes on the backside of the moon.

01:15:04.440 And I wrote an article basically saying we need to

01:15:07.240 protect the backside of the moon because there's

01:15:09.740 people who want to send up hundreds of satellites

01:15:12.660 orbiting the moon.

01:15:13.900 They do that.

01:15:15.180 They wreck it.

01:15:15.820 They wreck it.

01:15:16.440 Yeah.

01:15:17.540 So it's a good...

01:15:19.240 You should get the Sierra Club on that one.

01:15:20.700 Yeah.

01:15:22.080 That's a good mission for the Sierra Club.

01:15:23.780 It wouldn't be.

01:15:25.100 Protect the moon.

01:15:28.400 I can't thank you enough for coming in and talking

01:15:33.020 to me and giving a different look at faith.

01:15:41.660 I have never understood why science, reason, and

01:15:47.440 faith are at war with each other.

01:15:50.880 Well, the war isn't as intense as people think.

01:15:54.180 I mean, there's a lot of believers in God on

01:15:57.380 university campuses and research facilities.

01:16:00.920 I mean, there was a philosopher back in 1916 who

01:16:04.860 said, with the advance of science, they're going to

01:16:07.980 see an exponential decline in scientists who believe in

01:16:11.080 God in an afterlife.

01:16:12.860 Well, they redid the survey 80 years later.

01:16:15.080 They got the same percentages.

01:16:16.780 Really?

01:16:17.100 About 45% of research scientists believe in God in

01:16:20.480 an afterlife.

01:16:21.700 That's higher than I thought it was.

01:16:23.260 Well, it's especially high amongst research

01:16:25.420 mathematicians.

01:16:26.680 There, it's over 80%.

01:16:28.220 What you see in math, there's an elegance and a

01:16:31.700 beauty and a symmetry in math that tells us the one

01:16:35.740 who set up all that math, likewise, must really enjoy

01:16:38.540 beauty and symmetry and elegance.

01:16:41.240 Right.

01:16:42.160 So, and a lot of astronomers are believers in God.

01:16:45.780 Now, where you do see a very low percentage is in the

01:16:48.560 social sciences.

01:16:50.080 So sociologists, you know, cultural anthropologists.

01:16:53.320 Yeah.

01:16:53.700 Um, but it's because the data doesn't constrain them like

01:16:57.900 it does in chemistry and physics and astronomy.

01:17:01.320 I mean, if you've got enormous error bars, you've got lots

01:17:04.660 of room to speculate, but if the error bars are tiny, uh, it

01:17:08.500 basically forces you to certain conclusions.

01:17:11.480 Love talking to you.

01:17:12.340 Will you come back sometime?

01:17:13.400 Oh yeah.

01:17:13.960 Yeah.

01:17:14.200 This is great.

01:17:14.980 Thank you.

01:17:15.420 Just a reminder, I'd love you to rate and subscribe to the

01:17:25.120 podcast and pass this on to a friend so it can be discovered

01:17:27.860 by other people.

01:17:28.540 I'll see you next time.

The Glenn Beck Program - March 23, 2024

Ep 214 ｜ Christian Scientist DESTROYS Darwin, Provides PROOF of God ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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