The Glenn Beck Program - Ep 217 ｜ RFK Jr.： America’s Economic Collapse Will Bring a REVOLUTION ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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00:00:34.140 America, the next presidential election is sneaking up on us.

00:00:38.360 We're at a major crossroads, and whomever we elect will determine if we begin our slow ascent,

00:00:44.440 our rebuilding to become a great nation on the planet once again,

00:00:48.500 or if we descend into destruction and chaos like ancient Rome.

00:00:52.920 The signs are there. History does repeat itself.

00:00:56.380 This podcast is part of our Presidential Candidate Series to help you decide who you want in the Oval Office.

00:01:03.580 My guest today is a renegade in his own party, but all but forced out by the left-wing establishment here recently.

00:01:10.840 His State of the Union address leaned into the dark and bleak times that are upon us now,

00:01:16.560 and yet, somehow, it went viral.

00:01:19.420 He's rejected both the DNC and RNC and is running as an independent.

00:01:25.200 His appeals to conservative voters come in his commitment to take on Big Pharma,

00:01:32.600 seal the border, and his staunch support for Israel.

00:01:36.280 But he also appeals to those on the left with his views on climate change, which are very strong,

00:01:42.580 reducing the size of the military, and building a universal health care system from the ground up.

00:01:49.200 When it comes to the First Amendment and climate change,

00:01:51.960 he and I have had our own, let's say, colorful disagreements.

00:01:57.400 Come November, will he be a formidable opponent?

00:02:01.320 Who is he going to do more damage to?

00:02:03.700 Does he have a chance to win it all?

00:02:06.280 Many, both on the left and the right, fear his candidacy will ensure either a Trump or Biden victory.

00:02:16.400 But will it?

00:02:17.820 Welcome to a podcast.

00:02:20.120 We welcome a man whose lineage in politics needs no introduction.

00:02:24.820 He is a candidate for President of the United States.

00:02:27.880 His name, Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

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00:03:45.200 Robert, welcome to the program.

00:03:58.420 Thanks for having me.

00:03:59.440 It's good to see you after many, many years.

00:04:01.960 So, let me just start with a couple of things.

00:04:06.180 First of all, I mean, I don't get to talk to a Kennedy very often.

00:04:10.020 Your father was spectacular.

00:04:13.280 I'm a big fan of your father.

00:04:16.640 The speech that he gave when he found out that Martin Luther King had died is probably the best speech and the bravest speech I've ever seen any politician give.

00:04:28.600 So, it must be hard to be his son.

00:04:33.360 Well, I mean, it's a source of pride and comfort for me in my, you know, the first 14 years of my life were spent in his company.

00:04:42.920 And, you know, I had the advantage that a lot of people don't have, which is that there are so many books about my family that, you know, most 14-year-old kids who lose a dad, if they want to find out information about him or think about, you know, how would he have responded to a certain situation?

00:05:07.060 And they don't have access to that material.

00:05:09.800 But I feel very lucky that I did.

00:05:13.820 And, you know, because you're always kind of measuring yourself against your dad.

00:05:18.220 And I'm not saying in a competition.

00:05:19.900 No, no, no.

00:05:20.300 I'm saying in terms of, you know, role modeling behavior, you know, what would he do?

00:05:27.660 My father, you know, I think of my father as a very moral man, a very brave man.

00:05:33.160 And so, my question is, what would he do in this situation?

00:05:37.400 And a lot of times I have that answer pretty much, pretty certainty at my fingertips.

00:05:44.040 And, you know, that gives me a very good milestone for which to judge my own behavior.

00:05:51.640 You remember when your father was called when your uncle was killed, right?

00:05:57.520 I was, yes.

00:05:59.120 And what did your dad say?

00:06:01.960 Well, the day that my uncle was killed, the day my uncle was killed, I was picked up early.

00:06:08.100 I was going to Sidwell Friends School in Washington, D.C. with two of my siblings, or actually one of my siblings, Joe.

00:06:18.840 We were picked up early from school that day.

00:06:21.540 And as we were leaving school, there were flags in Washington, D.C. were being lowered to half mass.

00:06:29.900 Wow.

00:06:30.660 And I asked my mom, why are they doing that?

00:06:33.760 And she said a bad man killed Uncle Jack.

00:06:38.100 When I got home, my father was walking in the yard with John McCone, who was the head of the CIA.

00:06:51.360 My uncle had fired Alan Dulles after the Bay of Pigs, after Dulles lied to him.

00:06:58.380 He actually wanted my father to run the CIA because they thought the CIA was so out of control.

00:07:03.560 And he believed only my father could straighten it out.

00:07:07.800 My grandfather had intervened and said, you can't, the optics for the whole world will be terrible if a president's brother is running the secret police agency.

00:07:20.900 It will be, there's too much temptation to collusion.

00:07:26.560 Collusion and, you know, but to politicize it.

00:07:29.820 Right.

00:07:30.560 And so, he, they brought in John McCone, who was a Republican businessman.

00:07:38.220 And he was a very pious Catholic.

00:07:40.660 And they thought that he would straighten it out.

00:07:43.020 But, of course, in the CIA, nobody ever told him what was going on, you know.

00:07:48.420 And Dulles was still running it at that time from a distance.

00:07:52.980 And so, anyway, my father, the CIA is only about maybe half a mile from my house.

00:08:01.960 You know, we lived in Langley.

00:08:04.240 So, we used to, when the CIA was being constructed, the headquarters, we would ride every day, go horseback riding.

00:08:12.440 My father would wake us up at six every morning and take us horseback riding with nine kids.

00:08:17.380 Jeez.

00:08:18.120 And we would go through the CIA property.

00:08:20.480 So, I watched it, you know, be built.

00:08:22.340 And then when McCone was appointed, he would come to our house every day during the springtime and during the autumn to swim in our swimming pool after work.

00:08:34.320 So, he would leave work around four or five.

00:08:36.140 And he would come over and do laps.

00:08:37.640 And our swimming pool was only a couple minutes away.

00:08:39.620 A lot of times, he'd come to lunch at my house.

00:08:42.500 So, my father was walking with him in the yard.

00:08:45.180 And I didn't know what he said at that time.

00:08:47.280 But it's been reported since that my father said, did your people do this?

00:08:51.700 My father made three calls that day.

00:08:53.900 He made the first call he made after J. Edgar Hoover, who told him my uncle had been shot.

00:09:00.160 He called the desk officer at the CIA and he said the same question.

00:09:04.160 Did your people do this?

00:09:06.220 Then the next call he made was to Harry Ruiz, who was one of the Cuban activists.

00:09:14.280 He had fought alongside of Castro, then turned against Castro and had been part of the, you know, the Cubans, the militarized Cubans in this country who were part of the Bay of Pigs invasion.

00:09:28.000 He didn't actually go in the Bay of Pigs, but he was part of it.

00:09:30.480 And he was very close to my father and remained loyal to him, even when many of the other Bay of Pigs Cubans had turned against him.

00:09:39.340 And my father called him.

00:09:40.800 He was at a hotel in Washington.

00:09:45.220 And my father said to him, again, did it, was it your people who did this?

00:09:52.680 His first suspicion, it was the Miami Cubans who were affiliated with the CIA and who were very, very hostile to Jack and my dad.

00:10:03.600 And because they believed that my uncle should have invaded in the Bay of Pigs, should have provided air support and then gone in and deposed Castro.

00:10:16.520 And they felt he was a traitor.

00:10:18.180 Some of them felt that he was a traitor for that.

00:10:20.640 And then during in 62, during the Cuban Missile Crisis, they wanted him to go in.

00:10:26.620 And and he had instead began a process of detente with crew chef and with Castro.

00:10:34.720 In fact, the day that my uncle was killed, he had an emissary meeting with Castro at Castro's summer house at Veradero Beach in in Cuba, outside of Havana.

00:10:46.000 And talking about what, you know, the conditions would be to end the embargo to Cuba, which my uncle wanted to do.

00:10:52.820 Wow.

00:10:52.900 And so but, you know, he knew there was tremendous hostility toward him in the Cuban community, among some members of the Cuban community.

00:11:01.240 And that a lot of those people had been working with the CIA on the assassination programs against Castro and on and that, you know, a lot of them were highly, highly militarized.

00:11:14.720 They've been in Batista's army.

00:11:16.320 They were sharpshooters.

00:11:17.460 There was all kinds of, you know, sort of highly militarized people who were capable of doing this.

00:11:26.580 So I'm watching a show.

00:11:28.520 It's just out on Netflix called The Octopus Murder.

00:11:31.380 It's I don't know if you've heard of this, but it's another really bad period of the CIA starting in the 1980s under Reagan and killing.

00:11:42.040 And, you know, it's horrible what they were mainly like Operation Condor and Latin America and the Sandinistas. 1.00

00:11:51.380 Yes.

00:11:51.880 But it's much deeper than that.

00:11:54.140 It now seems, you know, after after the 60s, we had the Church Commission.

00:12:02.480 Then the 80s, we're seeing it again with Iran-Contra.

00:12:07.720 We're seeing it now.

00:12:09.040 Is there a way to bring the CIA, NSA, NSC, all of it under control?

00:12:15.780 Yeah, I mean, you know, my uncle actually, you know, one of the documents that the CIA has been kept secret, you know, and there's a few thousand documents left.

00:12:26.200 But in the most recent release last year, one of the documents that was released was a memo from Arthur Schlesinger to my uncle that summarized my uncle's plans for reorganizing the CIA for how to, you know, end this kind of rogue, you know, operation.

00:12:46.140 And my father, a week before he died, my father was asked by Pete Hamill, who was a famous New York kind of street reporter, you know, and very close to my father.

00:13:03.200 He was a high school dropout who'd become this, you know, incredible reporter, important reporter in New York.

00:13:11.340 And Hamill asked my father, they were on a bus in California campaigning, and Hamill asked him, what are you going to do about the CIA?

00:13:20.740 And my father essentially paraphrased what this earlier memo said, which is that he was going to separate the plans division, which is the dirty tricks division, from the espionage division.

00:13:34.440 And those are the two main functions of the CIA.

00:13:39.540 The espionage is what you want the CIA to be doing.

00:13:42.540 That's information gathering and analysis, analytics.

00:13:46.880 And the president needs that service.

00:13:49.040 He needs to know what's happening around the world, what the ramifications of various decisions will be.

00:13:54.640 And so that is necessary, and that was why the CIA was founded, to do that.

00:14:04.260 But Alan Dulles, very early on, had changed the function of the CIA to allow it to do, you know, all these other malevolent tasks,

00:14:14.860 which are overthrowing governments, fixing elections, bribing public officials, all of the sort of dirty tricks.

00:14:22.800 That's called the plans division.

00:14:25.260 And my father had seen that that tail, the plans division tail, was now wagging the espionage dogs.

00:14:34.380 And the espionage division had become the servant to the plans division.

00:14:37.800 And the espionage division's function was to provide tasks for the plans division to fix things in other countries.

00:14:48.240 And then it served the function of justifying those and making sure none of the blowback was ever accounted for or weighed or measured or reported.

00:14:57.500 My father saw that that was catastrophic and that the espionage division was enabling the plans division to do all this stuff

00:15:07.080 and making sure they were never held accountable.

00:15:10.580 My father wanted to break them up into two separate agencies.

00:15:13.440 And the espionage division would be looking over the dirty tricks division and saying, okay, what was the blowback?

00:15:21.820 What, you know, if you ask the CIA one of the greatest coups in their history, that's not a good word to use because it's not the actual word.

00:15:31.540 But one of the greatest triumphs in their history was overthrowing Mohamed Mossadegh in Iran in 1953.

00:15:40.380 And then the next one in 1954, they overthrew Jacobo Arbenz in Guatemala.

00:15:46.920 Guatemala has never recovered.

00:15:48.340 It's got the highest murder rate in the hemisphere.

00:15:50.880 It's, you know, got terrible poverty.

00:15:52.700 It never recovered from that.

00:15:54.960 Iran has never recovered from the overthrow of Mossadegh.

00:15:59.000 Like, the problems we're having in Iran today and the, you know, problems that go to Gaza and Iraq and everything else all come from that overthrow. 0.96

00:16:08.060 We took the first democratically elected president in the 4,000 history of Iran and who would love the United States.

00:16:16.540 And he loved us.

00:16:18.700 And Churchill tried to overthrow him first.

00:16:20.960 And his advisor said to him, they threw out the British, British embassy clothes.

00:16:27.760 And his advisor said to him, you should throw out the United States, too, because they're part of it.

00:16:33.780 And he said, no, the United States would never do that.

00:16:36.200 The United States is a colonial nation and they stand up for democracy and they believe in us.

00:16:41.220 And that was when Truman was president.

00:16:45.260 And but as soon as Eisenhower came in and Eisenhower kind of, you know, had this relationship with Dulles, where Dulles became very powerful.

00:16:55.540 And, you know, for good reason, Eisenhower had been the general in World War Two.

00:16:59.200 He did not want to go into another war.

00:17:00.940 And he saw the CIA as kind of a way to manipulate public events and to, you know, to get rid of problems without sending U.S. troops abroad.

00:17:15.700 And so he relied very heavily on Dulles.

00:17:18.300 And Dulles, you know, had this—Dulles was able then to just run amok.

00:17:25.820 And there's a terrific—probably the best book on Dulles is by David Talbot.

00:17:31.620 It's called Devil's Chessboard.

00:17:33.740 It's a fantastic book.

00:17:35.660 But one of the things Talbot says about him is that he was incapable of distinguishing between the corporation, the welfare of the corporations that he had represented.

00:17:47.620 He had been an attorney for Sullivan Cromwell, which is the biggest white shoe law firm in New York.

00:17:54.300 And his clients had been Texaco, United Fruit Company, and these other companies that were operating.

00:18:02.500 Oh, and Texaco wanted to—you know, when Mohamed Mouzadek said, hey, we're going to start actually charging BP and Texaco for the oil that they're taking from our country.

00:18:14.900 Dulles said, oh, that means they're communists, and overthrew them.

00:18:18.640 But it was protecting, you know, the financial—the mercantile entrance of Texaco.

00:18:26.240 And then the same thing happened in Guatemala.

00:18:32.280 Jacob Arbenz was democratically one of the greatest leaders in Latin American history.

00:18:37.860 And he said 80 percent of Guatemala's arable land was controlled by United Fruit, and they weren't using it.

00:18:49.100 They were keeping it fallow to keep the price of labor low and the price of bananas high.

00:18:55.780 And so Jacob Arbenz said, no, we're going to distribute it all to the peasants, including his own land.

00:19:03.880 And he nationalized his own property, and he said, we're going to pay them for it.

00:19:09.720 But United Fruit had claimed on its tax returns that all of this property, 80 percent of the land in the country, was worth only $17 million.

00:19:23.980 Because they wanted to keep their taxes low.

00:19:25.760 Right.

00:19:26.060 But then when he said, okay, we're going to nationalize it, and here's your $17 million, they said, no, no, no, we were making a mistake.

00:19:33.160 It's really $300 million.

00:19:36.120 And he said, that's not what you've been saying for 20 years when you're paying tax, and we're going to give you what you said it was worth yourself.

00:19:43.820 And so they, you know, got on the phone to Dulles and had them overthrow the government.

00:19:48.980 And Guatemala's never been, so the espionage division ought to be looking at these blowbacks and say, okay, Obama, you used a drone and you killed the terrorists and, you know, his kids with that drone attack.

00:20:04.320 And it was a bad terrorist, and we got rid of them.

00:20:07.320 What's the long-term cost?

00:20:08.980 Correct.

00:20:09.680 His 14 brothers, you know, are they now all going to be calm about it, or are they now jihadists?

00:20:17.760 Right.

00:20:18.260 You know, and that kind of blowback is never, ever assessed by the CIA, and that's one of the problems with having those two divisions, you know, melded.

00:20:29.760 So, with that being said, I think everybody has changed.

00:20:34.980 I know I have changed dramatically since September 11th, because I've seen the things, you know, when they said, they hate us for our freedom.

00:20:44.800 I don't think so.

00:20:46.060 They hate us because we say one thing, and then we ghost plane people.

00:20:51.760 Yeah.

00:20:51.960 You know, we are not the nation I thought we are.

00:20:56.980 Can we get there?

00:20:59.720 Are we too far gone?

00:21:01.560 Can we get back to our Constitution and Bill of Rights and equal justice under the law, being colorblind, and all of those things that I always thought we were, but I guess it never really were.

00:21:17.420 I mean, listen, I think if we have a president who understands what America is supposed to look like and is determined to do that, that we can do that.

00:21:29.860 You know, my uncle did that.

00:21:33.060 My uncle changed U.S. foreign policy dramatically, and just in the thousand days, he was in the White House.

00:21:38.960 U.S. foreign policy, before he came in, had one objective, which was anti-communism.

00:21:44.660 And the way that they were executing that objective is putting U.S. foreign policy and U.S. military aid.

00:21:51.240 And the leaders who said, I'm anti-communist, I'm killing communists, but a lot of times they were just, they were in league with an oligarchy, and any peasant who complained about, you know, I'm not getting enough wages to live, that became a communist.

00:22:08.260 And so the U.S. was on the side of the, you know, of the oligarchs, and it was actually empowering.

00:22:14.000 Like, yeah, in fact, you know, my uncle had two trips when he was in his three years in office that were the happiest he's ever been.

00:22:26.820 One was when he went to Ireland, and, you know, he was the first Irish Catholic president, and it was like a homecoming of a, you know, of a hometown boy who made good.

00:22:36.360 And then the other was to Colombia, and he met the, the president of Colombia then was a man named Yedda Scaramargo, and Jackie and Jack said that all the people they'd met, and they'd met the greatest leaders in history.

00:22:56.740 They'd met De Gaulle in France, they'd met Eamon de Valera, who was the George Washington of, of, of Ireland, who had fought in the Easter Rebellion against the British, and he became the president.

00:23:10.500 They loved him, but they said the smartest and the most charming and brilliant of all the statesmen they met was Yedda Scaramargo in Colombia.

00:23:18.540 I had a million people come out to see my uncle in the main square in Colombia, and Yedda Scaramargo turned to him, and he said, do you know why they love you?

00:23:30.060 And my uncle said, no, why?

00:23:31.900 And he said, because you, they think you put America on the side of the poor.

00:23:37.480 And my uncle, you know, made a decision that he was not going to send troops abroad.

00:23:42.960 He kept us out of Lally.

00:23:44.260 He said, his best friend, Ben Bradley, said to him, what do you want in your gravestone?

00:23:51.220 And my uncle, Jack Kennedy, said he kept the peace.

00:23:54.540 He said the principal job of a president of the United States was to keep the country out of war.

00:23:59.720 He said he didn't want African children and Latin American children and Asian children, when they heard the United States of America, to think of a man in a uniform with a gun.

00:24:09.380 He wanted them to think of a Peace Corps volunteer, of the Alliance for Progress, which was helping the poor people create a middle class, the USAID, which that's what it was supposed to do.

00:24:20.340 It's now a CIA.

00:24:21.300 CIA, yeah, front.

00:24:22.620 But that's not why he created it.

00:24:25.060 So, but anyway, he succeeded in doing that.

00:24:28.680 He kept the country.

00:24:29.700 He never sent a combat troop abroad.

00:24:31.420 And he instead projected economic power abroad rather than military power.

00:24:37.260 And today there's more statues to him in Africa, Latin America, Asia, or universities, more parks named after him, more hospitals than any other president, and probably more than all U.S. presidents combined.

00:24:50.160 Because it was an effective foreign policy.

00:24:53.120 And I think that's what we need to get back to.

00:24:56.720 We need to tell the world we're not going to be on the side of the oligarchs and, you know, the power brokers.

00:25:01.880 We're going to be on the side of the poor and of fairness.

00:25:04.600 And, you know, and it's going to be good for our country because we need to build ourselves economically.

00:25:09.540 That's the best national defense.

00:25:12.060 So it's strange.

00:25:13.300 We're sitting with two candidates besides you.

00:25:16.260 Two candidates.

00:25:16.800 One is always against war.

00:25:19.520 Donald Trump has been against war the whole time and did some really great things in the Middle East, I think.

00:25:27.260 Then we have another president that was running for president who I swear to you, it's almost to me, it's almost like there's a lot of people that want to go to war.

00:25:41.920 And it all seems to be these Western leaders that I don't understand. 0.91

00:25:46.800 Ukraine is corrupt. 0.80

00:25:49.400 We know that.

00:25:50.580 We're sending boatloads of money over to them with no checks or balances on it.

00:25:57.320 We know a lot of it is being taken by oligarchs and all the payoffs that go along with it.

00:26:04.640 What is our foreign policy now?

00:26:07.040 And there's no audit.

00:26:08.400 Right.

00:26:08.760 And it's the most corrupt country in the world.

00:26:14.360 So, you know, that's, you know, independent assessors, let's say, have said for years, it's the most corrupt country in the world.

00:26:21.020 By the way, my son went over there and fought.

00:26:24.300 Or, you know, on the side of Ukraine for the Foreign Legion over there.

00:26:27.620 And he was a machine cutter for a special forces unit.

00:26:29.980 And, you know, he and I don't see eye to eye on the war.

00:26:33.220 But, you know, I'm proud of him for what he did.

00:26:35.960 And, you know, I also have, I share his pride in the fighting spirit of the Ukrainian people.

00:26:44.060 And I don't, I don't, we have a problem mixing people with leadership and politicians.

00:26:51.160 Exactly.

00:26:52.100 And that, and, you know, this war is an immoral war because it was unnecessary.

00:26:58.320 Putin tried repeatedly to settle the war, the Minsk Accords, which in 2019, it was negotiated settlement.

00:27:07.540 Very fair to Ukraine, very fair to the United States.

00:27:10.340 Because the U.S., the Britain signed on to it, France signed on to it, Germany signed on to it, and Ukraine.

00:27:17.200 And Zelensky ran in 2019.

00:27:21.320 He's a comedian and a television actor.

00:27:24.000 He wins with 70% of the vote because he ran on a peace platform.

00:27:28.180 Because Ukrainian people wanted peace.

00:27:30.340 And they wanted to sign the Minsk Accords.

00:27:32.000 And we could have all walked away from it.

00:27:34.200 And Russia would not have to pass the Lugans.

00:27:36.480 Instead, Zelensky got in there and he pivoted.

00:27:43.540 Why did he pivot?

00:27:44.580 Well, nobody really knows.

00:27:46.240 But the suspicion is that he was threatened by ultra-nationalists, read, sort of neo-Nazis in his own political party.

00:27:53.880 And by the U.S. State Department, by Victoria Nuland, who's then head of the neocons. 0.95

00:28:01.400 And that she said to him, you will not get U.S. support unless you oppose that agreement.

00:28:08.620 So Putin then goes in.

00:28:11.020 And we say, we're all told this comic book story.

00:28:14.340 He's a supervillain who's going to take over Europe.

00:28:17.160 Really?

00:28:17.620 I don't think so.

00:28:18.500 Well, he said only 40,000 troops.

00:28:22.180 He clearly doesn't want to take control of the country.

00:28:24.740 It's a country of 44 million people.

00:28:28.560 And that's what he said.

00:28:29.900 He just wanted us back on the negotiating table.

00:28:32.820 So we won't help Zelensky negotiate.

00:28:36.600 Zelensky goes to China.

00:28:38.140 They won't help him.

00:28:39.340 So he goes to Israel.

00:28:40.940 And Naftali Bennett, the prime minister of Israel, said, I'll help.

00:28:44.320 And then he goes to Turkey and Ahmed Erdogan, the prime minister of Turkey, says, I will help.

00:28:49.860 And they sit down with Putin's people.

00:28:53.620 They negotiate another agreement.

00:28:56.600 And the main thing in both agreements is Putin doesn't want NATO in Ukraine.

00:29:02.200 He wants Ukraine to be neutral.

00:29:04.120 We promised him that for a long time.

00:29:05.940 We promised him in 92 and again, you know, Gorbachev in 92 and again and again.

00:29:09.500 Yep.

00:29:09.640 And they told us from the start, if you go into Ukraine, don't go to any of these countries.

00:29:15.520 We went into 14 countries, moved NATO 1,000 miles to the east.

00:29:20.040 But they said from the outset, NATO is a red line.

00:29:23.220 We've been invaded through NATO three times.

00:29:25.760 The last time we were invaded, they killed one out of every seven Russians.

00:29:29.440 And we're not going to allow anybody to control NATO and then put Aegis Tomahawk missiles four minutes from Moscow.

00:29:37.820 Correct.

00:29:38.300 We could decapitate the entire Russian leadership in four minutes.

00:29:42.760 The Russian Cuban, the Cuban missile crisis in reverse.

00:29:46.220 Exactly.

00:29:46.960 And of course, the Russians don't want that.

00:29:50.840 And my uncle always said, if you want peace, you better understand your opponent.

00:29:56.260 You better put yourself in the shoes of your opponent.

00:29:59.860 Nobody's doing that.

00:30:01.000 Nobody in our government will talk to Putin.

00:30:03.180 Why? 0.99

00:30:03.380 Are we this dumb or do we have everything? 1.00

00:30:07.040 I've never seen an administration. 0.99

00:30:10.720 Make this many errors that all fall out of the interest of the United States.

00:30:18.160 I mean, it's a it is a cluster of bad policies.

00:30:24.240 Here's what I would say, because I don't I never put myself in other people's heads.

00:30:30.240 I don't know to answer.

00:30:31.980 Why is he doing it?

00:30:33.060 I'll never do that unless I can tell you.

00:30:35.360 I can tell you the incentives.

00:30:39.220 One is that every time we move NATO into a new country, that country is under a contractual obligation to conform its weapons purchases to NATO specifications.

00:30:52.140 That means billions of dollars, Eratheon, General Dynamics, Northrop Grumman, Boeing and Lockheed.

00:31:01.300 And those companies, which are all owned by BlackRock, control both the Republican and Democratic Party.

00:31:08.400 And, you know, that's part of the this whole engine that keeps us in a constant state of war.

00:31:15.340 So they want to go into NATO and, you know, and then you have a president, President Biden, who always has been it's like the big the only foreign policy tool that he has is military.

00:31:31.100 It's like the guy, Carpenter, has a hammer and is the only tool he's got.

00:31:37.620 Lindsey Graham.

00:31:38.420 Everything looks like a nail to him.

00:31:39.820 Yeah.

00:31:39.980 And they and they, you know, the it's a go to.

00:31:43.540 And, you know, Biden was the first guy into Iraq.

00:31:48.940 You know, my uncle was against the Iraq war.

00:31:51.320 A lot of other people were.

00:31:52.620 But Biden was the guy who was leading the charge for Iraq, which was the worst foreign policy plunder in the history of our republic.

00:32:01.220 We drove Iraq, Iraq today.

00:32:04.840 We spent four trillion dollars there.

00:32:07.740 We killed more Iraqis than Saddam Hussein. 0.94

00:32:11.000 We created ISIS. 0.98

00:32:12.280 We left it as a it's an incoherent battle between Shia and Sunni dead squads.

00:32:19.500 We we we pushed it into a proxy position with Iran.

00:32:25.580 So now, you know, it was our bulwark against Iran. 1.00

00:32:28.420 The reason that Gaza happened is because of Iraq. 0.99

00:32:31.220 We destroyed Iraq as a bulwark against Iran. 1.00

00:32:34.720 So now Iran is inflexing its muscles all over the region. 0.86

00:32:38.540 It owns Iraq. 0.99

00:32:39.740 It owns Hamas. 0.99

00:32:40.660 It owns Hezbollah. 0.92

00:32:41.640 It owns the Houthis. 0.99

00:32:44.460 And it's you know, it's expanded.

00:32:46.460 It's it's an expansion mode.

00:32:47.960 We drove four million refugees up into Europe and destabilized every democracy in Europe for the next probably three generations. 1.00

00:32:58.420 We created Brexit. 0.98

00:32:59.960 Brexit is a result. 0.98

00:33:01.180 Direct result like linear on the Iraq war.

00:33:04.940 And we created BRICS, which is the end of the dollar as a global reserve currency, because everybody's so angry at us about it.

00:33:14.800 So it was crazy.

00:33:16.160 And but but if you ask what would happen if you ask Joe Biden today, was that a colossal error?

00:33:23.180 I don't think he'd say so.

00:33:24.580 No, I think he thinks we got rid of Saddam Hussein.

00:33:28.060 So I feel as though we're right now fighting Democrats, Republicans, and I don't think it's Democrats.

00:33:36.520 I think that's a stage show.

00:33:38.320 I think it is the elites and the people.

00:33:41.880 Brexit is not because they're wild conspiracy theorists or anything else.

00:33:48.120 It's they they're proud of their nation in a healthy way.

00:33:52.360 And they want to make their own rules here in the United States over in France.

00:33:58.380 The same thing with the French or not the French, but the Norwegians coming out with their tractors. 0.71

00:34:06.360 Look, this is bad for us farmers.

00:34:10.020 Why are we playing this international game?

00:34:12.840 Do you agree with any of that?

00:34:14.180 Yeah, I think it's a it's a populist and like a class war, like you say.

00:34:20.800 But not in a not in a.

00:34:22.960 Well, here's the thing about populism.

00:34:25.220 Populism is easily hijacked by Demogox.

00:34:28.740 Yes.

00:34:29.080 But it doesn't necessarily have to be kind of, you know, dark.

00:34:34.780 Yes.

00:34:35.020 It doesn't have to be fascism or Nazism.

00:34:37.940 Yes.

00:34:38.420 Populism, you know, it was the populist movement in our country in 1903 that got rid of the Gilded Age.

00:34:47.220 And and, you know, we got the 40 hour work week.

00:34:49.840 We had the child labor. 0.89

00:34:51.180 We got women the vote. 0.56

00:34:53.980 We got, you know, we got the Sherman Antitrust Act passed.

00:34:57.480 And we made corporations to pay taxes for the first time.

00:35:01.080 And we passed a law that made it illegal to for corporations to donate to federal political click candidates that came out of the populist movement in the country in the progressive movement.

00:35:11.600 And so it was an idealistic impulse.

00:35:13.820 And but it's often hijacked.

00:35:16.600 And, you know, I'll give you this example that my father ran a populist campaign in 1968.

00:35:22.960 He had all the elites against him.

00:35:24.800 He had the big city mayors against him.

00:35:26.680 He had the labor unions all against him.

00:35:28.820 Except for the UAW and then Cesar Chavez Union.

00:35:32.480 All the other ones who had been with him in 1960 were now against him.

00:35:36.960 The liberal newspapers were all against him.

00:35:39.600 The New York Times hated him.

00:35:40.900 The Village Voice, all of them.

00:35:42.220 The liberal Democratic clubs were all against him.

00:35:44.920 On the college campuses, he was, you know, McCarthy.

00:35:49.260 My father always said McCarthy had the A students and he had the B and C students.

00:35:53.960 And but he had he had, you know, everybody, all the power centers were against him.

00:36:03.440 But he had this, you know, the last day of his life.

00:36:06.940 He won the most rural state in our country, South Dakota, and the most urban state, California.

00:36:12.420 And when, you know, when I took that train ride, taking his body, I was with him when he died in Los Angeles.

00:36:17.820 And took that train ride from New York City to to Washington, D.C. to take his body down.

00:36:27.500 And two million people on the train tracks.

00:36:30.000 And there were every color was the entire cross section of the American people.

00:36:33.700 There were people in military uniform, Boy Scouts, hippies or black people, white people, priests, rabbis.

00:36:40.740 People carrying American flags, signing, you know, signs said goodbye, Bobby, pray for us, Bobby.

00:36:46.860 And it was the, you know, it was like all America. 0.52

00:36:51.260 Four years later, a lot of the white people who had stood on that train track between, you know, Newark and Baltimore and Delaware.

00:37:02.300 And who had strongly supported my father in 68, they changed their vote overwhelmingly, not to George McGovern in 72, but to George Wallace, who was antithetical to everything my father.

00:37:16.640 But he was now the standard bearer for the populist movement.

00:37:21.780 It was a dark kind of populism.

00:37:23.600 Right, right, right.

00:37:24.220 So I think all of the, you know, we're seeing a revolution in this country that's going to happen.

00:37:29.040 You can't have a situation.

00:37:30.920 57 percent of the people in this country can't put their hands on a thousand dollars if they have an emergency.

00:37:35.880 54 percent of the people in this country are not making enough money to pay for basic human needs.

00:37:44.800 And there's going to be a revolution.

00:37:47.420 And is it going to be captured by, you know, the dark regressive forces? 0.98

00:37:54.280 Or are we going to keep, are we going to be able to keep it for, you know, as an expression of idealism?

00:37:58.880 So, but I think that the problem that we have is the sides are all mixed up.

00:38:05.520 I don't know who's who anymore.

00:38:08.040 And and you have the federal government colluding with gigantic business.

00:38:15.040 I'm a conservative.

00:38:16.000 I used to I used to be one of the dummies that used to say Apple's not going to do anything.

00:38:20.880 Google can.

00:38:22.120 Oh, yeah.

00:38:23.140 Oh, yeah, they can.

00:38:24.440 The liberals used to be the ones who would be telling me that.

00:38:28.100 Now I'm like, I'm on your side and they're they're like, they're gone.

00:38:32.360 They're gone.

00:38:32.820 The liberals are now for censorship, which is astonishing to me.

00:38:36.540 The liberals are pro-war, which is astonishing to me.

00:38:40.280 The liberals are anti-Israel.

00:38:43.040 Now, they think they're on the side, not to the Palestinians.

00:38:46.360 Well, I'm on the side of the Palestinians, but I'm not on the side of Hamas.

00:38:49.600 Yes.

00:38:49.860 And I'm not on the side of Iran. 0.83

00:38:51.820 No.

00:38:53.040 Oh, you know, what's happened to the liberal party?

00:38:57.400 The liberal parties were skeptical of corporate control of our government.

00:39:04.320 And now it's like, you know, the pharmaceutical companies are like, you know, they're like the angels of heaven for them.

00:39:10.380 Where do you stand on the WEF, the World Economic Forum?

00:39:12.740 It is like, you know, we shouldn't be paying any attention.

00:39:16.880 It's a billionaire's boys club.

00:39:18.860 It's arranging the world to shift wealth upward and to clamp down totalitarian controls on everybody else.

00:39:26.780 And now they got the capacity to do it.

00:39:28.640 They got all these countries running around doing what they tell them to do.

00:39:31.940 So, you know, it's astonishing to me that, you know, these people go to Davos in their private jets.

00:39:37.840 Yes.

00:39:37.940 And they're able to tell these world leaders, you know, how to govern us in ways that eradicate our constitutional and civil rights and constantly shifting.

00:39:53.100 Well, I mean, COVID, during COVID, you know, and I know you're a President Trump fan, but President Trump got rolled by his bureaucrat.

00:40:03.280 Oh, I agree.

00:40:04.020 And he locked, he came in saying, I'm a businessman.

00:40:08.220 I'm going to run this place like a business.

00:40:10.120 Right.

00:40:11.220 He gave the keys to all of our shops and stores and business and Tony Fauci and shut down 3.3 million businesses.

00:40:18.660 Let's talk, let's talk about this because I.

00:40:20.480 But we shifted $4 trillion of wealth upward.

00:40:23.620 We closed all the little guys.

00:40:26.520 Home Depot was open.

00:40:28.120 And Google.

00:40:29.240 And they're all colluding with each other to censor the people who are like me,

00:40:33.100 who are complaining about it.

00:40:34.220 Correct.

00:40:35.120 So there's, I agree with you on that.

00:40:38.240 And I give everybody the benefit of the doubt for a few weeks because we didn't know necessarily what was coming.

00:40:44.560 So good intention, bad intention.

00:40:46.980 I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

00:40:48.900 But there comes a point to where you're like, oh, wait, wait, wait.

00:40:52.940 You're shutting down the entire economy.

00:40:56.180 And the New York Times wrote about me and saying, when I said, you know, there are people my age.

00:41:02.760 We'll go into work.

00:41:04.020 Let's keep the thing running so our kids aren't put behind. 0.65

00:41:08.180 They said I was trying to kill, you know, old people. 0.72

00:41:10.960 Right. 1.00

00:41:11.380 It's ridiculous. 0.93

00:41:12.080 You know, I'll tell you something about that.

00:41:14.060 But the only kind of well-known person who would talk to me, come on my podcast early in COVID was Kelly Slater,

00:41:25.400 who's the world greatest surfer in the world right now, arguably.

00:41:28.660 And Kelly saw what they were doing.

00:41:33.200 He said, look, there's people in Malibu, people out surfing in the water.

00:41:40.640 Okay.

00:41:41.260 And the sheriff is going and giving them $1,000 tickets on the beach and telling them not to come back but go home.

00:41:47.960 And by that time, we already knew that COVID only spread indoors.

00:41:52.120 The way to stop it was to stay in the sunlight and get healthy.

00:41:55.320 They were putting, in Venice, you know, near where I live in California, they went to the skateboard parks, the half pipes,

00:42:03.120 and they threw sand on them so the kids couldn't exercise because they couldn't be outside.

00:42:07.900 They went to the black neighborhoods like Compton or here Harlem, Bed-Stuy, and they shut down the basketball courts. 0.81

00:42:14.480 And if they couldn't lock them down, they took the hoops out.

00:42:18.960 Yeah.

00:42:19.680 So you're locking all these kids in.

00:42:22.040 And the only condition of poverty that actually, you know, improved during COVID was there were fewer reports on child abuse.

00:42:31.720 And why is that?

00:42:32.860 Because most reports on child abuse happen in the schools, and we closed down the schools.

00:42:38.720 And we locked all those kids in the apartment with their abusers with no meals because they're getting their one hot meal a day from the schools. 0.89

00:42:47.000 And, you know, what we did to our kids' development is just criminal.

00:42:55.020 Oh, it is.

00:42:55.260 There's about half of the kids now are going to need remedial education all the way through high school.

00:43:01.720 We just destroyed this generation. 1.00

00:43:04.280 And CDC's, you know, there's a report that came out from Brown University that said there's a 22 IQ point loss among toddlers.

00:43:14.320 There's 22 IQ points.

00:43:16.720 And CDC's response to that is that a year ago, they rewrote the child milestones.

00:43:26.460 So it used to be that a child would have to walk, you know, that you were normal if you walked at 12 months.

00:43:32.140 They changed up to 18 months.

00:43:34.080 You would have.

00:43:35.160 Just lower the bar. 1.00

00:43:36.180 You would have 50 words by 18 months.

00:43:39.480 Now they say a year and a half and so on.

00:43:42.980 So they, you know, they're trying to normalize what they did to our children.

00:43:46.940 And it's so the whole thing is so criminal and so corrupt.

00:43:50.680 So there's a couple of things.

00:43:52.240 And I'd like to know specifically what you would do.

00:43:54.480 First of all, you, Donald Trump has said that if if he wins, he'd like to make you put you over CDC or FDA.

00:44:01.440 And I'd like to talk to you about that.

00:44:04.200 But I also want to hear from you.

00:44:07.440 What do you do to restore the trust?

00:44:10.220 If there is, God forbid, Ebola, you know, starts, you know, circling the world.

00:44:16.620 Who's going to believe it?

00:44:18.580 Who's going to listen to the expert doctors?

00:44:21.780 Because the good doctors were all silenced.

00:44:24.500 They all lost their license.

00:44:26.400 It's just the doctors that are left that, you know, played the game.

00:44:31.820 How do we restore the trust?

00:44:33.440 I mean, the medical profession disgraced itself.

00:44:36.040 Disgraced.

00:44:36.280 And, you know, thousands of doctors who were trying to tell the truth were punished.

00:44:42.620 They were delicensed.

00:44:43.600 They were gaslighted.

00:44:44.820 They were vilified and demonized and silenced.

00:44:48.900 And it was, you know, it was really criminal.

00:44:51.420 I mean, the way, and by the way, you know, because of what we now know, because of the Wuhan lab, et cetera, they're messing with Ebola.

00:45:05.220 And they're messing with, you know, Chichamonga and all of these, you know, really horrific diseases.

00:45:11.380 Not with, you know, 0.01 infectious mortality rate, but with 50%, 20%, 10%.

00:45:18.380 And, you know, and they're making bad, they're making these diseases.

00:45:24.200 And, of course, some of them escape every year.

00:45:26.240 So, you know, that needs to be stopped.

00:45:28.760 We need to restore the Bioweapons Convention of 1973 that Richard Nixon signed. 0.57

00:45:36.540 And he said, and he closed down Fort Dietrich and said, we're not making bioweapons anymore.

00:45:41.960 And after 2001, the Patriot Act passed a week after 9-11.

00:45:50.820 9-11 happens.

00:45:52.320 One week later, there's an anthrax attack on our government.

00:45:55.780 And at that point, Patrick Leahy and a couple of other senators were fighting the Patriot Act and saying, you can't do this.

00:46:09.020 This is an attack on American constitutional democracy.

00:46:13.700 And those senators, the ones who were fighting the Patriot Act, are the ones who all got the anthrax.

00:46:19.380 And so they were silenced, the Congress was shut down, and they passed the Patriot Act.

00:46:25.200 Well, the Patriot Act had a provision in it that says, we're not getting rid of the Geneva Convention on Bioweapons.

00:46:32.700 We're not getting rid of the 1973 Bioweapons Convention.

00:46:38.140 We have a new rule that says that any federal officer or employee who violates those treaties cannot be prosecuted.

00:46:46.000 And that relaunched the bioweapons arms race. 0.84

00:46:49.080 And the Pentagon didn't want to do it at first.

00:46:52.520 As it, you know, violating Geneva's hanging offense. 0.99

00:46:56.120 So they started redirecting all that money to Anthony Fauci to do bioweapons research under the guise of vaccine research.

00:47:05.320 So why isn't he in jail?

00:47:06.440 Well, he's not in jail because Joe Biden is president and because, you know, unfortunately Donald Trump colluded with or was, you know, run over by him.

00:47:18.720 Right.

00:47:19.200 Donald Trump knew what was wrong.

00:47:22.180 He knew not to shut down our businesses.

00:47:25.040 And he knew about, you know, he knew about lockdowns.

00:47:29.640 He knew about ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, and yet, and he said it, he tried to speak up, but his own bureaucrats told him to shut up.

00:47:38.520 And he unfortunately did what he was told.

00:47:40.580 And that's, you know, why I think that he doesn't deserve another chance.

00:47:45.580 And you may defend him on that, but.

00:47:47.620 I don't defend him on the vaccine or any of it.

00:47:53.140 But I think, I think you could make the case early on, everybody was trying, I try to believe, except for Fauci, I try to believe that everybody had good intent doing what they thought was right.

00:48:06.320 And then it just started dogpiling.

00:48:08.640 And then it became, I don't even know, communist China.

00:48:12.120 It just, it became a country that I didn't recognize and no one was willing to stop it.

00:48:19.180 I want to talk to you about having access to medication in, in tough times.

00:48:27.040 And that tough time could just be, you're on vacation.

00:48:29.560 You're up in the mountains.

00:48:30.600 Somebody starts to get sick.

00:48:32.000 Do you have antibiotics?

00:48:33.220 You don't have to go down off the mountain to get to a doctor.

00:48:37.780 It also could be, the latest is bird flu.

00:48:42.300 But Tamiflu is supposed to handle that.

00:48:44.900 Do you have Tamiflu?

00:48:46.260 Would you like to have some Tamiflu?

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00:49:49.260 So I want to I want to be real honest with you.

00:49:53.740 I both like you, want to like you, love some of the stuff you say.

00:50:01.640 And also, I'm a little terrified by you because I don't know who you are yet.

00:50:10.160 I don't know if you've changed or or what.

00:50:13.240 But you're saying a lot of things that I think you deeply believe the the vaccine, the covid stuff, all of that.

00:50:20.600 I know you believe that stuff.

00:50:24.220 But then there are things like, for instance, the First Amendment, you talk about people going after people and shutting them down.

00:50:33.720 But I don't know if you remember this, but you said.

00:50:36.840 And so I'm going to tell you that the next time you see John Stossel or Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh,

00:50:41.940 these flat earthers, I believe the earth is around these corporate toadies lying to you, lying to the American public,

00:50:49.280 telling you that global warming doesn't exist, which I never said.

00:50:52.160 I believe in global warming.

00:50:53.920 I just don't believe in the answers that we've come up with so far.

00:50:57.680 I'm telling you that global warming doesn't exist.

00:51:00.060 Send an email to their advertisers.

00:51:01.680 Tell them that you're not going to buy their products anymore.

00:51:04.100 This is treason, and we need to start treating them now as traitors.

00:51:08.380 Because you're smart enough to know what that means constitutionally.

00:51:13.660 That's execution.

00:51:17.800 Well, let me say this.

00:51:19.540 I wouldn't say that today.

00:51:20.980 And part of it is, part of the reason I wouldn't say that is because I watched our country run over not only the First Amendment,

00:51:34.740 but all three arms of the First Amendment, the freedom of worship.

00:51:38.980 We closed a million churches per year.

00:51:41.620 Who could have imagined that would ever happen?

00:51:43.680 You know, whatever happened in this country with no due process, no just compensation, no scientific citation, no public hearings,

00:51:55.060 none of the safeguards of democracy.

00:51:57.500 We then roll over rights to freedom of assembly and association by, you know, with this weird science-free, you know, social distancing.

00:52:08.520 You can be at a BLM riot, but you can't protest COVID.

00:52:14.300 Or you can get on a, you have to wear a mask on a plane, but except when you're eating your meal.

00:52:18.780 You know, I mean, it was like a kabuki comedy.

00:52:23.200 Correct.

00:52:24.340 And then they shut down the Fifth Amendment, right?

00:52:27.440 You know, they shut down 3.3 million businesses, no due process, no just compensation.

00:52:31.680 They got rid of the Seventh Amendment, which is a right to jury trial.

00:52:35.660 It said if a vaccine company or any other entity that was responding to COVID, countermeasures,

00:52:46.100 injures you no matter how negligent they are, no matter how malicious they are, no matter how much they lie,

00:52:52.120 no matter how grievous your entry is, you can't sue them.

00:52:54.780 And, you know, the Seventh Amendment says no Americans shall be denied a right to a trial before a jury of his peers in case of controversies exceeding $25.

00:53:05.420 There's no pandemic exception.

00:53:08.180 There's no exception, really, on any of the amendments.

00:53:10.540 None of them.

00:53:11.580 You know, and they were written for hard times.

00:53:14.140 They weren't written for easy times.

00:53:15.680 The First Amendment was not written for the protect speech that we all want to hear.

00:53:20.900 It was for this speech nobody wants to hear.

00:53:23.360 That's embarrassing.

00:53:24.440 That's appalling.

00:53:25.460 That's, you know, ideas that are horrible ideas.

00:53:27.980 But that's what it was written to protect.

00:53:29.960 And, you know, during the Civil War, when our country was really this far from falling apart,

00:53:38.080 and we, you know, killed 659,000 Americans, the equivalent of 7.2 million today,

00:53:44.360 Confederates were sending agents, provocateurs, to the northern cities to drum up draft riots.

00:53:51.700 Right.

00:53:53.100 And those were really destroying northern morale and destroying our capacity to, you know, to fight the war.

00:54:01.220 And so Abraham Lincoln suspended.

00:54:03.100 They knew who the people were as soon as they came in the city.

00:54:05.820 Right.

00:54:05.980 And Lincoln suspended habeas corpus and started arresting them.

00:54:10.380 And Judge Cheney, the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, said you can't do it.

00:54:14.440 Even if the life of the nation is forfeit, you can't do it because the Constitution is more important than anything.

00:54:22.440 So, you know, it was much worse than anything that happened to COVID, which was a bad flu.

00:54:28.200 If we had treated it like a bad flu, it would have been a bad flu.

00:54:33.560 We treated it like an emergency and told all these people, you know.

00:54:38.120 So, yeah, my whole—I would never say anything like that today because my thinking on it has evolved,

00:54:45.680 and I can see how dangerous statements like that are because, you know, the government actually is doing some of this stuff.

00:54:56.040 Yeah.

00:54:56.160 I accept people changing, so thank you for that.

00:55:01.640 I wondered because there are the WEF, the part of the Green New Deal has shot everybody up from talking, 0.99

00:55:14.880 and I don't—I really don't care.

00:55:17.780 If we want to change our country, then let's be honest about it and say this is what we want to do.

00:55:24.420 These are the things, and then let's vote on it.

00:55:28.000 And if that side wins, that side wins.

00:55:30.400 At least it was fair and we were open about it and we all know what we're getting into.

00:55:36.100 But we are in this place now of shouting people down and saying, you don't have a right to say this.

00:55:41.620 You don't have a right to talk.

00:55:43.340 That's a danger to democracy.

00:55:45.740 Quite honestly, I think almost everything that our government is doing is a danger to democracy right now.

00:55:52.080 Yeah.

00:55:52.500 I mean, I would agree with that.

00:55:54.740 And for starters, it just lies about everything.

00:55:59.740 Yes.

00:56:00.220 And there's no transparency and there's no effort.

00:56:03.940 I mean, you know, you're a senator and you ask for, you know, information on the Wuhan lab and you get 150 pages fully redacted.

00:56:17.360 There's no oversight.

00:56:18.480 So, you know, and you talk to these senators and congressmen who are just not allowed to see what's happening inside of the U.S. government agencies.

00:56:31.760 And, you know, what does this have to do with democracy?

00:56:34.840 And everybody's treating it like it's normal.

00:56:37.380 So what is it?

00:56:38.660 I mean, you watch Congress and Congress just gave their power away to the to the administrative state years ago.

00:56:48.500 I don't think any of them want to pass.

00:56:50.220 And some of them do.

00:56:51.140 Some of them are really good guys.

00:56:52.400 But a lot of them don't want to they don't want to be held responsible for anything.

00:56:56.420 We just did an episode where we showed how many of them are performing well over the S&P 500, you know, with increases of two hundred and thirty two percent year over a year.

00:57:11.100 What do you mean?

00:57:11.620 You mean congressmen's investments, investments, their portfolios, their portfolios where they have.

00:57:18.100 I saw my kids showed me a website where you can it's like a fund where you can bet on Nancy Pelosi's bets.

00:57:28.820 Right.

00:57:29.220 Right.

00:57:29.720 Because her, you know, because she's exceeding that. 1.00

00:57:32.260 Yeah.

00:57:32.500 She consistently.

00:57:33.500 She, I think, was eighty nine or ninety two percent over the S&P 500. 0.85

00:57:37.660 I mean, it doesn't happen.

00:57:39.300 It just doesn't happen unless you're insider trading.

00:57:42.100 So everybody seems to be getting rich.

00:57:44.680 The American people are getting poorer.

00:57:46.660 However, we have out of control spending, which honestly, you know, at least could we get a nice car for everybody?

00:57:54.840 I mean, you feel like we spend all this money and we've got nothing to show for it.

00:57:59.700 Nothing to show for it.

00:58:01.220 We have worse than nothing.

00:58:02.300 We have a thirty four trillion dollar debt.

00:58:05.640 Yes.

00:58:06.000 We're now the cost of servicing that debt every year is more than our military budget.

00:58:10.980 Yeah.

00:58:11.260 And within five years, 50 cents out of every dollar collected in taxes is going to go to servicing the debt.

00:58:19.080 Within 10 years, 100 percent of the money we collected in taxes is going to be needed for the debt.

00:58:24.860 And so how is nobody talking?

00:58:27.160 So how do you stop it?

00:58:28.140 Well, that's the thing is, I'm going to stop that.

00:58:31.980 President Trump's not going to stop it.

00:58:33.620 He ran up the biggest debt of any president in history.

00:58:36.140 He ran up after saying, you know, I'm going to address the debt.

00:58:39.680 He ran up an eight trillion dollar debt personally, which is more than all the presidents before him combined since George Washington for 283 years.

00:58:50.620 And then and Biden is now on the route to matching that.

00:58:55.480 And it's insane.

00:58:57.160 And it's unsustainable.

00:58:59.380 It's going to destroy our country and destroy our dollar.

00:59:02.940 Everything.

00:59:03.220 The only way, you know, we need to cut, we need to do huge cuts to our defense budget.

00:59:09.340 That's the big.

00:59:10.720 And then we need to cut our health costs.

00:59:16.100 The only way to stop our health costs is by ending the chronic disease epidemic, which we can do very quickly.

00:59:23.180 But, you know, right now we have agencies that are all tied in with the food processors, the pharmaceutical companies that are driving this, you know, the chronic disease epidemic.

00:59:35.700 When my uncle was president, the annual budget and the cost of health care was about four to six percent of our GDP.

00:59:46.200 Today, it's almost 20 percent.

00:59:47.740 And the cost of health care is the cost of treating chronic disease is four point three trillion dollars.

00:59:56.020 The cost of diabetes alone is as large as the which is which is, you know, mitochondrial dysregulation.

01:00:05.940 The cost of that is larger than our defense budget.

01:00:09.160 When I was a kid, a typical pediatrician would see one case of juvenile diabetes in his whole lifetime.

01:00:17.560 Today, one out of every three kids who walks through his office door is either pre-diabetic or diabetic.

01:00:24.180 Nobody's talking about this.

01:00:26.420 The cost of autism is now a trillion dollars a year.

01:00:30.700 My generation, I'm 70, you're 60, I'm 70 years old.

01:00:35.000 I didn't know anybody with autism.

01:00:36.220 No, we knew nobody when we were a kid.

01:00:38.420 Nobody with peanut allergies.

01:00:40.360 No, my kid, my wife, I have 11 siblings, 70 cousins, nobody with a peanut allergy.

01:00:45.960 Why do five of my seven kids have allergies?

01:00:49.740 Why does, you know, the autism rates in my generation today, right now, 2024, one in 10,000 70-year-old men have autism.

01:01:01.700 In my kids' generation, it's one in every 34 kids, one in every 22 boys, according to CDC.

01:01:07.420 Nobody's talking about this.

01:01:10.360 These are bankrupting our country.

01:01:12.640 It's a trillion dollars a year just for autism.

01:01:15.960 All these kids who are disabled, nobody's talking about why is this happening. 1.00

01:01:20.920 But we're living in a time where the big corporations, big food, big pharma, everything, big food destroying our local farms.

01:01:33.460 Destroying them.

01:01:34.640 I'm a rancher. 0.99

01:01:36.240 With the government.

01:01:37.460 Yeah, absolutely with the government.

01:01:39.180 There's only four meat packers in this whole country.

01:01:41.520 Why?

01:01:42.400 Why?

01:01:43.180 Because, you know, the first thing I'm going to do is file antitrust against them because they're all owned by BlackRock.

01:01:51.380 Right?

01:01:51.820 And BlackRock, that's the way they want it.

01:01:54.000 So the government has the absolute power, and they're squeezing the ranchers, and they're squeezing the consumers, and they're making all the money and shifting the money upward.

01:02:07.460 It's completely illegal, and they're getting away with it because they have political control.

01:02:12.100 What are your thoughts on ESG?

01:02:16.080 ESG.

01:02:17.120 You know what ESG is?

01:02:18.520 Environmental Social Governance Standards for the Banking.

01:02:21.880 You know, I believe in free markets, and I think, you know, we should have markets in our energy sector and elsewhere that we need to get rid of subsidies.

01:02:38.240 Most environmental pollution is subsidies.

01:02:40.860 In fact, all of it is.

01:02:43.000 It's a way of liquidating the environment for cash and putting it on your profit line.

01:02:48.120 And what I will, you know, what my policy is, is get rid of the subsidies, including the environmental subsidies.

01:02:57.020 But will you get rid of the collusion between the governments of the world and the banks with ESG standards saying you have to have certain social practices, environmental practices, and governance practices,

01:03:14.780 and the banks refusing to give loans to those companies that say, no, you don't have a place to tell me these things.

01:03:24.320 You don't have a place to tell me you have to be on the board.

01:03:26.480 I don't think that that's a good idea.

01:03:27.680 And by the way, I, you know, listen, I've been working on civil rights issues my whole life.

01:03:33.120 My first case as an environmental lawyer was NACP against, representing NACP and against the town of Austin for putting a waste transfer station in the oldest black neighborhood in the Hudson Valley.

01:03:52.800 And I've worked on environmental justice issues my whole life.

01:03:56.140 20% of my career has been representing American Indians in litigation against polluters and, you know, big resource companies.

01:04:07.200 I've worked in all these areas.

01:04:09.200 I've been for 35 years.

01:04:11.140 I've been on the board of Bedford-Stuyvesant Restoration, which is the oldest and biggest community development corporation in the country,

01:04:18.860 which is the purpose of it, is to get capital and entrepreneurial expertise into one of the biggest black communities in New York,

01:04:31.440 and has been very, very successful at doing that.

01:04:34.220 And I think that you can't eliminate racism by telling people don't be racist.

01:04:39.780 What you do, what you can do is we can make our kids resilient.

01:04:45.460 When I was a kid, I was, you know, it was, my uncle was running for president.

01:04:50.560 He was the first Irish Catholic president.

01:04:53.480 And there was a lot of Irish Catholic prejudice at that time and bigotry.

01:04:58.040 And I was called a mackerel snatcher when I was a kid.

01:05:01.100 I was called a mick and all of these other, you know, pejoratives.

01:05:06.060 It never affected me.

01:05:07.420 I, I would, I, somebody would call me those names and say something's wrong with them.

01:05:12.300 Yeah.

01:05:13.020 And we want to make sure that, because I knew I had a good education, I had a loving family around me, I had opportunities,

01:05:22.160 and that was not going to get in my way.

01:05:24.760 There were just people who were, you know, nasty or people, and that's just what life was.

01:05:30.760 Right.

01:05:30.940 Oh, I want to make sure that every black kid in this country has that resilience so that if somebody says something or does something racist to them,

01:05:40.100 that they can stand up for themselves and stand up with confidence.

01:05:42.860 Right.

01:05:43.120 And the way you do that is by making sure our education system works for them.

01:05:48.560 There are, you know, there are charter schools in New York, like the Success Academy, which brings kids in by lottery.

01:05:57.380 So, okay, it's bringing, choosing kids from the, from the most impoverished neighborhoods by lottery.

01:06:05.220 And they have a better graduation rate and a better college placement rate than Scarsdale High School, which is the best public high school in this state.

01:06:15.460 But that, that, to do that.

01:06:16.440 We can fix our education system.

01:06:18.860 And again, I think it's ultimately through giving people choice.

01:06:22.040 But, so, are you for school choice?

01:06:24.560 Yeah, I'm for school choice, and I'm for, but I also want to make sure the principals have control over what happens in their schools so that they're held responsible for it.

01:06:34.480 So, you saw the effect of the labor unions because of COVID on their schools.

01:06:39.920 Right.

01:06:40.520 And I, you know, I disagree with a lot of things that children's, or that the, that the teachers union did.

01:06:49.080 But, I would say this, that the people who have been very, very successful at this have been able to figure out ways to work with the unions.

01:06:57.000 What you need is you need principals who have the power to fire people.

01:06:59.940 And you can negotiate and work with the unions to buy out contracts and to, you know, and to do it in a way that is as least disruptive and as least tension as possible.

01:07:13.440 But I think we need to have choice.

01:07:15.640 We need to give principals control over their own schools and then hold them responsible.

01:07:19.600 But you can't hold them responsible without giving them control.

01:07:22.580 And then, if the school doesn't work, if they're not educating our children, they're gone.

01:07:28.120 Second Amendment, where are you standing on this?

01:07:29.940 I'm not taking anybody's guns.

01:07:32.840 Oh, I, you know, you know, there was a time in my life, you know, my father was killed by a gun.

01:07:40.340 My uncle was killed by a gun.

01:07:41.940 And I, you know, I know other people whose lives have been, I saw what it did to my family.

01:07:48.860 I've seen what it does to other people.

01:07:50.840 But I also understand, I, you know, I've spent years of my life in rural areas in this country.

01:07:58.840 And I spent, lived for two years in Alabama.

01:08:01.640 I've lived in South Dakota.

01:08:03.060 I grew up in Virginia.

01:08:04.360 And I know that there's a gun culture in this country that sees that, you know, that is an existential right for them.

01:08:16.220 And that, you know.

01:08:18.040 Do you see it as a right?

01:08:19.720 I mean, it is a right.

01:08:21.440 It's in our bill.

01:08:21.900 I believe in the Constitution.

01:08:24.000 And it's part of the Second Amendment.

01:08:26.020 And so, yeah, and I think that we need to work with each other to understand why we're having the gun violence in this country that no other country has.

01:08:37.880 So do you believe, I mean, I think these are kind of separate.

01:08:42.020 I mean, the law-abiding gun owner, they're not the ones, you know, going out and shooting usually.

01:08:48.620 It's the ones who aren't either taking care of them correctly in their home or it's, you know, criminal activity.

01:08:59.800 But the idea of a gun is not to hunt.

01:09:03.840 It is to protect against an out-of-control government.

01:09:07.480 So, you know, I think something happened because, you know, when I was a kid, we had gun clubs in our schools.

01:09:18.620 And people would bring their right 22s to school and leave them in the car.

01:09:24.380 They'd bring them in.

01:09:26.160 And, you know, nobody was shooting at people.

01:09:29.120 And something happened.

01:09:31.020 There's never been a time in human history where individuals with guns were walking into crowds of strangers, crowds of children, and starting to butcher them.

01:09:41.540 That's never happened.

01:09:42.660 Suddenly that started happening around Columbine.

01:09:45.720 And the question is why it's happening.

01:09:51.060 Why is it happening in this country?

01:09:52.540 And, you know, Switzerland has a comparable level of gun ownership.

01:09:57.940 Everybody's required to have a gun in their house.

01:10:01.280 And the last mass shooting they had in Switzerland was 21 years ago.

01:10:07.380 The last mass shooting. 0.78

01:10:08.760 Culture is sick.

01:10:09.360 We have mass shootings every 21 hours.

01:10:13.620 So the question is why is that happening?

01:10:15.740 And, you know, I think that we need – NIH is, under its own rules, is not allowed to look for the answer to that question.

01:10:26.260 There's a lot of things NIH won't do.

01:10:28.300 NIH won't look for the cause of the autism epidemic.

01:10:31.440 They won't look for the cause of peanut allergies.

01:10:33.200 They won't look at any of these things because they're frightened that there's a big shot, a big food processor, big ag, big pharma that is going to have – be angry at them with the answer.

01:10:45.880 So they simply won't do it.

01:10:47.320 And one of the things they have not looked at – they have a rule.

01:10:50.720 Since 1997, they have not been able to look at the cause of gun violence.

01:10:56.540 When Columbine happened, five of the victims of the family sued, I think, Prozac.

01:11:04.180 And, you know, there are SSRIs.

01:11:06.700 I've talked about this.

01:11:07.620 I'm not saying this is the answer.

01:11:09.200 They're saying it's something that we should look at, that SSRIs have black box labels and benzos that say – known to cause suicidal and homicidal behavior.

01:11:23.940 It says that.

01:11:25.160 Right.

01:11:25.320 Okay.

01:11:25.900 And we're the only country that has this level, 120 million, 240 million doses a year of these.

01:11:34.600 Correct.

01:11:34.940 And all of a sudden, and after Columbine, that's when it started happening.

01:11:40.560 So I'm not saying – there's other things that could be, too.

01:11:43.860 Yes, yes, yes.

01:11:44.720 I understand.

01:11:44.980 It could be video games.

01:11:46.520 It could be social media.

01:11:47.680 There's a lot.

01:11:48.140 It could be a lot of factors.

01:11:49.920 There's a lot of factors.

01:11:50.980 But we should know what it is because one thing we do know, it has nothing to do with the number of guns.

01:12:00.940 Because there hasn't been any legislation out there that has diminished or increased the number of guns during that period.

01:12:08.520 It's been roughly constant.

01:12:10.920 Oh, if you have a scientific mind, which I do, I'm looking for the variables that change during that period.

01:12:17.800 Right.

01:12:18.040 And that's what the CDC ought to be doing.

01:12:21.060 And now, you know, because I'm having this conversation with you, I'm going to get ridiculed.

01:12:25.160 I'm going to – you know, that Kennedy said that SSRIs are calling it, which I've never said.

01:12:30.840 No, it is – it's reasonable to put that on the table.

01:12:34.960 It makes sense to everybody in the world, which is, let's figure out why that's happening and not, you know – and then deal with it.

01:12:46.160 And let's make sure we know what the culprit is.

01:12:50.840 My only thought on that is I don't trust – everything's been so politicized that I don't trust any of –

01:12:59.260 That's why you need to vote for me, Glenn, because I know how to dismantle corporate capture in these agencies.

01:13:07.800 Let me ask you two – let me ask you two quick questions.

01:13:10.300 One, historically, a person who has run as the third party, I think Ross Perot did the best in history.

01:13:19.900 He had 19 percent.

01:13:22.080 He ran as –

01:13:22.820 Well, Teddy Roosevelt did better than him.

01:13:24.800 But he still – he's the reason we had Woodrow Wilson.

01:13:29.480 Oh, yeah, but that's – that has nothing to do with the point.

01:13:34.760 All right.

01:13:35.180 So, how – so, do you believe you can win?

01:13:40.440 Yeah, I believe I can win.

01:13:41.940 I'm already beating both President Trump and President Biden among all Americans under 35.

01:13:48.040 I'm beating them in the battleground states under – among all people under the six battleground states under 45.

01:13:56.700 I'm beating them among independent voters.

01:13:59.660 And independents are now the biggest political demographic.

01:14:03.780 So, it's the first election in United States history in which independent – self-identified independents are – represent more people than either Democrats or Republicans.

01:14:15.660 So, 43 percent of Americans self-identify as independents versus 27 percent for Democrats, 27 percent for Republicans.

01:14:26.240 My favorability ratings are 10 points ahead of President Trump or President Biden.

01:14:30.140 My net favorability is 20 points.

01:14:32.580 Oh, and, you know, we have a – we're living at a time when we have two presidents who are running, former presidents, who each, if they were the only one running, would be the least popular person to run for a major party in history.

01:14:54.800 They are the two worst.

01:14:56.560 And 80 percent, 70 to 80 percent of Americans say they don't want that contest again.

01:15:02.300 So, I think if there was a time that an independent could run and could run successfully, it would be now.

01:15:09.580 You know, if we have debates, I think that would be a very, very big turning point.

01:15:14.920 But the – I'll tell you what, the only group that I don't – that is a large group.

01:15:21.420 We're in a three-way tie with Hispanic voters, and I've got momentum with me.

01:15:26.700 The only group where I don't do well is with baby boomers. 1.00

01:15:30.240 And I should do great with baby boomers because they all remember Camelot and, you know, the Kennedy years. 1.00

01:15:37.600 And I was a big hero to baby boomers, you know, and I was known only as the environmental champion.

01:15:44.660 But they watch baby boomers get their news from television, from MSNBC, and from CNN, and from the New York Times and the Washington Post. 0.73

01:15:53.700 And if you're living in that ecosystem –

01:15:57.740 And Fox. I include Fox in that.

01:16:00.080 Well, yeah, but, you know, Fox actually lets me on all the time to do interviews.

01:16:05.260 And, you know, I – and so – but the other – MSNBC doesn't. CNN does not.

01:16:10.940 What does that feel like to go from hero to zero on that side?

01:16:14.840 I mean, you've been a Democrat.

01:16:16.120 Your family is – they're the lions of the Democratic Party.

01:16:20.420 And all of a sudden, that party really doesn't like – the party really doesn't like you.

01:16:27.280 And you're even having problems with your own family.

01:16:30.540 How – how – what?

01:16:31.980 I mean, that's a big sacrifice.

01:16:33.920 Yeah, I – well, let me just say this about my family.

01:16:37.860 I have a lot of family members who support me and a lot who are working on the campaign, particularly the younger generation.

01:16:43.220 But – but my campaign's being run by Amaryllis Kennedy, who's – you know, my daughter-in-law, my cousin Anthony Shriver, is running Florida for me.

01:16:53.180 So I have – you know, I – it's a big family.

01:16:55.900 It's a huge family, yeah.

01:16:57.340 But all of a sudden, there's a lot of family who are against me as well and are horrified.

01:17:02.960 I have five members of my family who are working for the Biden administration.

01:17:06.380 And, you know, President Biden, long-term friend of my family, has a bust of my father behind him at the Oval Office.

01:17:14.640 He – you know, he talks about how my father inspired him to get into politics.

01:17:18.360 So I understand why they're, you know, upset.

01:17:23.460 But, you know, I come from a family also that we – you know, we were raised debating each other.

01:17:29.520 My father would instigate debates every night the same way that his father did.

01:17:33.760 And we were expected to debate with passion and commitment and information without hating each other.

01:17:40.920 So I love my family.

01:17:42.520 I feel loved by them.

01:17:43.680 They differ with me on that.

01:17:44.940 They're going to fight like hell, make sure I don't succeed.

01:17:48.900 Would I like it if they were all on my side?

01:17:50.820 Yes.

01:17:51.580 But, you know, does it ruin my day?

01:17:54.620 No, not at all.

01:17:56.260 And, you know, I feel like this, Glenn, that every person who I've admired throughout my entire life,

01:18:04.200 the people who I really – you know, the historical figures,

01:18:07.700 all of them went through periods where they had to, you know, march through the dark night of the soul

01:18:14.100 and they felt alone and where people betrayed them, people that they, you know,

01:18:21.160 that they felt betrayed and alone during periods.

01:18:25.380 But that was part of their journey and that you have to embrace that.

01:18:29.440 And, you know, I do and I have my wife who is incredible, who supports me.

01:18:38.240 My kids absolutely support me and are proud of what I'm doing.

01:18:42.920 And they're bright, intelligent, and, you know, wonderful counselors to me.

01:18:48.500 And, you know, it's part of the adventure of life, right, that you're, you know,

01:18:54.580 to have all of your friends basically drop you at once and, you know, over an issue of principle.

01:19:03.520 And so, you know, I just feel like this is, you know, my lot and that I have to embrace it.

01:19:11.580 I can't, you know, I can't ever sink into self-pity or vituperation or, you know, anger at people.

01:19:20.460 I just – it's their choice.

01:19:23.040 I have to walk my path and I have to do it with joy and with, you know, magnanimity and forgiveness.

01:19:32.040 And, you know, so to me it's all good.

01:19:38.300 It's a pleasure to meet you and talk to you.

01:19:39.900 You too, Glenn.

01:19:40.920 Thank you.

01:19:41.580 Just a reminder, I'd love you to rate and subscribe to the podcast and pass this on to a friend so it can be discovered by other people.

01:19:53.920 I'll see you next time.

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The Glenn Beck Program - April 20, 2024

Ep 217 ｜ RFK Jr.： America’s Economic Collapse Will Bring a REVOLUTION ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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