The Glenn Beck Program - Ep 220 ｜ Why Are So Many Kids Identifying as Trans？｜ Miriam Grossman, M.D.

00:00:00.000 and now a blaze media podcast let me tell you about rosa at 15 her boyfriend dumped her and

00:00:08.900 the covid lockdowns hit dejected she turned to the internet and she was dragged down the rabbit

00:00:15.700 hole of gender ideology and came out the other side with a buzz cut saying she was now non-binary

00:00:21.980 and demanding testosterone her parents were lost this was not the girl that they had raised for the

00:00:31.120 last 15 years where did this come from well they took rosa to the experts and all the experts said

00:00:38.720 their daughter was now their son and they had to accept that the only thing they could do now was

00:00:44.220 to put her on testosterone maybe even consider a double mastectomy their parents couldn't do that

00:00:51.500 her parents just they know so instead they turned to my guest today a very lone and brave psychiatrist

00:01:00.960 who refuses to submit to the religion of gender ideology by lovingly holding firm to the truth

00:01:09.300 she saved rosa and so many like her from a life of pain and irreversible medical interventions

00:01:16.220 she's here today to tell us how to do it she shows us the way that we can get out of this

00:01:23.740 transgender craze that is crushing our children and the future please welcome to the podcast author

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00:03:18.540 dr grossman thank you so much for uh joining me on the podcast i i think i want to start

00:03:35.820 with the story of rosa um because i feel for her parents and her and tell me the tell tell the

00:03:46.860 audience the story sure well first of all glenn thank you thank you very very much for having me on

00:03:52.600 it's really an honor thank you uh yeah so rosa is the name of uh a girl that i saw in my private

00:04:01.980 practice and i described this story in my book lost in trans nation a child psychiatrist guide out of the madness

00:04:12.580 rosa was uh in the eighth grade and she had always been a very feminine girl who didn't have any trouble

00:04:22.500 with that and was happy being a girl and loved wearing bikinis and um was perfectly fine with her her body

00:04:33.460 there was never any indication that she was unhappy and so her parents who by the way were wonderful

00:04:42.960 as almost all the parents are uh in my private practice which is devoted to these kids and their families

00:04:51.720 wonderful loving devoted parents um and one day she made an announcement that she is no longer

00:05:05.560 their their son that she is actually i mean no longer their daughter she's their son and she requested uh

00:05:14.480 that they call her by another name a boy's name and use masculine pronouns uh and so on you know the whole

00:05:24.680 the whole thing we're all familiar with that by now of kids uh wanting to go through what's called

00:05:32.080 social transitioning uh as if that's even possible uh of course a boy cannot become a girl a girl cannot

00:05:43.420 become a boy i think it's important to emphasize that even though i'm sure that your audience is aware of

00:05:50.920 that i i just you know i start off every interview reminding people that there's no medical or scientific

00:06:00.800 basis for the idea that you can be one sex in your mind and uh and that be at odds with your physical

00:06:13.640 reality of your body um which of course is uh the foundation of this ideology right that mind can be at

00:06:24.680 odds with your body and that when that happens it's a normal variant we're told and that the mind

00:06:32.480 takes precedence and overrides the body that is the foundational premise of this whole ideology

00:06:42.400 so there is no let me let me let me just pause for a second before we go any deeper i feel horrible

00:06:50.640 for these parents because everything you just said i believe but you're one of the only doctors left

00:06:58.920 on the hill of sanity um and you if you were going through these things the schools the doctors they're

00:07:07.420 all regurgitating the same stuff and parents don't know what to do they're they that's so so how did the

00:07:17.040 parents feel about this and what happened okay so in this particular case with rosa um the parents

00:07:25.840 immediately to their credit realized that something else must be going on with her a girl does not all

00:07:33.280 of a sudden declare that she's a boy um and they had common sense and they realized that they have to find

00:07:43.140 a therapist like myself who is not going to automatically affirm the new identity celebrate

00:07:51.540 the new identity uh and put the child in the driver's seat which is you're right glenn it is what uh

00:08:00.340 it's what many many therapists do these days and it is what almost all of our mainstream medical and

00:08:09.840 mental health associations are telling us to do so the american psychiatric association the american

00:08:17.760 psychological association the american academy of pediatrics all these large mainstream legacy

00:08:25.920 organizations that i was always trained to trust to depend on to give me solid guidance as a doctor as a

00:08:35.760 therapist we can no longer trust those organizations because they have simply been uh taken over they have

00:08:46.160 uh uh you know they they drank the kool-aid yeah and the members of the organizations that are not

00:08:56.080 that do not agree with it are intimidated into silence so how how did you you've been warning about this

00:09:04.800 since about i think 2009 um when nobody was paying attention they just think this just came up and

00:09:12.080 you point out very clearly no this has been around for a while the seeds have been planted we're now at a

00:09:17.760 place to where um i i think we are we're repeating the early um eugenics programs here in america uh and god

00:09:28.080 forbid it goes further like it did in europe um but we're we're at a place now where

00:09:37.040 our doctors are not to be trusted at times because they are they are steering us with philosophy or in this

00:09:49.200 case i think more of a theology it's a faith that is denying reality and actual science and uh that

00:09:59.280 that that creates an extraordinarily dangerous uh situation for society you're absolutely right it is

00:10:08.000 not at all a science it is more like a religion and uh kids our are indoctrinated with with this

00:10:19.120 religion as if they are established facts i mean these things are stated with astonishing certainty

00:10:28.400 that just the idea that there's something such as uh changing your sex or you know uh having one sex

00:10:37.680 in your mind and one sex between your legs which is what kids are told the idea you know these this new

00:10:45.600 vocabulary transgender cisgender non-binary these ideas are indoctrinated into our kids minds they are

00:10:56.320 just flooded with this from every angle as they go through the day and they're led to believe that

00:11:02.880 these are undisputed facts and nothing could be further from the truth there is a debate that is raging right

00:11:13.360 now and in fact glenn this is the first time in many years that i feel some degree of optimism

00:11:22.480 about this thing about this thing being taken down and the reason i feel optimistic is just in the past year

00:11:32.640 and especially in the past few months i mean we the amount of uh evidence that we have that all of this

00:11:44.480 is just a pile of you know what is uh is it you know it it's it there is so much evidence it's

00:11:57.760 formidable you know evidence is formidable it is it's remarkable to me that i've grown up in a time

00:12:06.240 where um all the you know official doctor clubs are all saying the same thing we need to be more

00:12:14.640 progressive like europe and europe has turned around and said stop this this this is this is madness

00:12:22.240 we're wrong on it we're stopping it it's it's it's being eradicated around the world um to some degree

00:12:30.320 at least we're at the beginning of that but we still seem to be for some reason just lockstep with denial

00:12:40.080 yes well in this country and in canada we are the two outliers now in the world i would say

00:12:48.640 there are so many countries in europe and scandinavia uh britain that have done a 180 after their medical

00:12:57.600 authorities sat down and looked at the evidence very carefully over months and years examined the

00:13:06.400 evidence for and against the medicalization of these kids meaning putting them on puberty blockers

00:13:15.040 and then cross-sex hormones and sometimes surgery those countries sweden norway finland britain uh denmark

00:13:25.840 and others have now done a 180 and they are saying either we will no longer make those medical

00:13:34.560 interventions available to under 18 or we will do so exercising extreme caution

00:13:43.360 and at the same time we in this country uh you know kids can walk into planned parenthood

00:13:51.520 and get uh these medications in 30 minutes what why after why is this happening here

00:13:59.680 why are we the outliers us in canada it's a good question um the left is extremely powerful

00:14:12.000 and the left took over our like i said earlier our medical associations and they steamrolled their agendas

00:14:23.440 through these associations they got you know certain uh laws legislated in a lot of uh states

00:14:35.120 they have they've been they've been very successful and our side has not been paying enough attention

00:14:42.560 until now so and it's late there's people that have never heard of uh w path um i didn't even know what

00:14:53.360 it was we're doing a special on it when we first brought it up i i had never really heard about it can you

00:14:59.680 talk to me about what they are what they do and their role in removing a very important word disorder

00:15:08.240 okay well w path is the world professional association for transgender health w path it's

00:15:21.200 an international organization there's a branch here in the us and essentially you know it sounds like a

00:15:28.560 very reputable professional medical organization and it was at one time until about 20 25 years ago

00:15:38.640 when ideology uh prevailed uh prevailed and took over but until that time you see glenn we always knew

00:15:47.840 in psychiatry that there were extremely rare individuals one in many tens of thousands if not hundreds of

00:15:57.120 thousands of people who for some reason have a sense of discomfort with their sex being male or female

00:16:08.080 it can be a very intense discomfort it can be devastating to live with and but again extremely rare

00:16:20.320 um and the psychiatric associations always considered this condition to be a disorder

00:16:29.120 uh and what happened was i just have to say you're kind of confusing w path with with apa in the dsm so it was in

00:16:42.400 terms of not considering it a disorder officially that was the american psychiatric association um and they

00:16:51.520 changed their uh categorization of this condition about 10 11 years ago they they changed it from

00:17:02.240 falling into the category of a disorder into simply what they uh decided to call it instead of a disorder

00:17:12.160 was gender dysphoria which means unhappiness with your with being male or female so they removed it from the

00:17:22.880 the category of being a disorder and that was a landmark decision that was a watershed moment

00:17:31.600 because the psychiatric association separate from w path i'll get back to w path in a moment

00:17:38.240 but the you know the flagship in a worldwide flagship organization of psychiatrists the american psychiatric

00:17:48.960 association was announcing to the world that we no longer consider this to be an emotional disorder we no

00:17:58.960 longer when a girl wants her healthy breast to be removed when a boy wants his healthy genitals

00:18:07.920 to be removed uh we no longer are considering this a psychiatric disorder now that was huge when

00:18:16.880 that happened as you can understand uh and the way that that happened and i explain it in detail in the book

00:18:24.880 the way that it happened is that there was a small committee of people and it was their responsibility to

00:18:32.720 make the decision of what to do with this particular diagnosis they were under a lot of political pressure

00:18:42.400 they also i'll just say on their behalf you know that they felt compassion for these people and we should

00:18:52.880 feel compassion for these people because their lives can be very miserable so it was out of compassion

00:19:01.360 it was out of because of a result of political pressure both within the apa and without from without the apa

00:19:11.920 and there were individuals glenn who argued that the entire diagnosis should just be removed

00:19:20.480 just omit the diagnosis completely from the dsm which is the catalog of of psychiatric diagnoses that we use

00:19:32.400 but the reason why it was decided to keep the diagnosis of gender dysphoria is because if it was removed

00:19:40.880 there would be no code to use for insurance reimbursement for the treatment oh my gosh

00:19:50.320 now these people obviously many of them do need to you know do choose to modify their bodies

00:19:59.280 so that they will appear to be the opposite sex they take puberty blockers they then take cross-sex

00:20:09.200 hormones testosterone and estrogen and other hormones and then many of them get surgeries which are extremely

00:20:16.960 expensive now once a young person goes on puberty blockers almost all of them will continue on to cross

00:20:28.800 sex hormones which means they will be a consumer of pharmaceuticals for the rest of their life oh my gosh they

00:20:37.840 will be a medical patient for the rest of their lives because they're dependent on these pharmaceuticals

00:20:46.560 to maintain this the physical persona that they have uh chosen so you have to understand

00:20:56.720 you you need to have a code in order to get reimbursed for all of these medical interventions

00:21:04.560 and that was one of the big reasons that psychiatry held on to the gender dysphoria and did not eliminate it

00:21:13.760 completely um it is um remarkable uh to me that the doctors they they have to have seen the results

00:21:25.280 um you know watching these kids go through many of them really regret it they have to see this and

00:21:34.000 when you brought up the um the prescription drugs that they will have to take for the rest of their life

00:21:40.640 could it be that simple that it's money that it's big pharma that's really pushing this no

00:21:51.120 well you know now we're going into more the macro issues not the micro i'm a child psychiatrist so i

00:21:58.800 focus more on the families and the kids and i think we should get back to rosa in a minute

00:22:04.560 but there's no question that this is extremely lucrative and at the same time glenn that we're

00:22:12.880 talking about the profits made by the pharmaceutical companies from the blockers and the cross-sex

00:22:19.920 hormones and of course the surgeons and all the surgeries you have to also consider that we are

00:22:26.240 creating a generation of young people who are sterile right they cannot they cannot reproduce biologically

00:22:35.280 and even though many of them as you can imagine when they're 12 or 15 or even 20 years old they might

00:22:42.160 say well i don't care i don't want to have kids i'll adopt kids it doesn't matter to me you know what when

00:22:47.920 they hit 30 and 35 they many of them seem to be realizing that they're missing out by not having a

00:22:57.440 biological child and some of them really do regret it and then what's their option their only option

00:23:05.280 is assisted reproductive technology uh which of course means uh uh ivf surrogacy and then this

00:23:16.800 that's a whole other gold mine of opportunity for reproductive technologies so what was it that

00:23:27.280 allowed you to take a stand and be kind of alone on this island when you have

00:23:32.720 you know w path you have dsm uh you know going the opposite direction you had to have i mean i'm sure

00:23:41.680 you have received a ton of pushback and name calling uh you know at best what was it that kept you rock solid

00:23:52.000 well you know at first i was afraid i was very hesitant um but when you see families that are

00:24:08.960 suffering to the degree that i've seen and you see young people girls going through menopause when

00:24:15.920 they're 15 years old jeez young men who have had their genitals removed um the degree of mental illness

00:24:27.120 that these children had going into this and it's clear to anyone who is willing to face reality that

00:24:37.920 what this is is what this is is a social contagion that is uh you know like wildfire moving through

00:24:47.280 our schools uh kids are being introduced to these ideas online by their teachers by their guidance counselors

00:24:57.680 and they are simply especially during covid so many kids were anxious and depressed so many kids are on

00:25:05.760 the autism spectrum and they have no friends and they're looking for ways to fit in so it just became so

00:25:14.960 clear to me uh and i saw so much suffering i i saw too much to stay silent and i'm so happy that i started

00:25:28.240 speaking up because as you know in the beginning it might be

00:25:32.080 frightening but courage is a habit it is and it's a muscle you know the more the more you do it the

00:25:41.680 easier and even fun it becomes i love that um the percentage i mean this just it has to scream at anybody with

00:25:54.560 reason that there's no way you could have this dysphoria um and suddenly a rise of four thousand percent

00:26:07.120 of cases that just seems completely irrational to believe that's normal

00:26:14.160 well it is what the proponents of this ideology argue is that because our culture has changed

00:26:22.560 changed and is becoming more accepting of being transgender um then it's so much easier now for

00:26:32.240 people to speak up and announce their authentic selves that is the argument that you would get from the other

00:26:41.920 side but if that was the case glenn think about it if that was the case that the proportion of

00:26:50.640 transgender individuals was so high in every generation then you would have

00:27:00.000 excuse me you would have people you would have this flood of people suddenly coming out as transgender

00:27:09.280 in their 30s 40s 50s 60s 70s you would have it in every age group but we do not have that

00:27:19.600 we have that in uh preteens teenagers and young adults is where this epidemic is hitting now i will say

00:27:31.360 something else you know which is so they're so intellectually dishonest because at the same time

00:27:40.240 that the activists argue that there are more so many more transgender individuals now because is because

00:27:49.280 society is more accepting of them they will on the other hand say that the reason why these kids have

00:27:56.960 so many mental health issues is because there's so much transphobia so they want to have it both ways

00:28:06.640 there's so much transphobia which means the kids are depressed and anxious and they don't accept themselves

00:28:15.280 but the numbers of people who are coming out as transgender is thousands of times more than

00:28:24.800 it's ever been because society is so accepting you can't have it both ways so let me go back to um

00:28:35.600 rosa and how you treated how did when the parents came to you i would imagine they came to you like any

00:28:42.640 parent and said this just can't this can't be it doesn't make sense help how how do you help people

00:28:50.480 like this you know it's in many ways it's the same way that i would help any patient which means first of

00:29:01.440 all you get to know the person sitting in front of you you have to explore them who are they what's their

00:29:10.080 life about what's going on at school what's happening at home i want to know about their friends i want to

00:29:17.520 know about their dreams in life i want to know what they've been through have they been traumatized

00:29:23.680 so in that way it's similar to any other patient that would walk into my office now mind you therapists

00:29:31.360 so-called gender affirming therapists do not do this huge exploration that typically we would do in

00:29:42.240 mental health correct they immediately accept the new identity right so it's wait so it's it is that's

00:29:50.000 why it was important that the word disorder was there once you take that out now it's just we're just

00:29:57.120 going to walk you through it we're going to help you well you're going to put the child in the driver's

00:30:02.720 seat correct and you're going to say what name do you want me to use what pronouns do you want me to

00:30:09.600 use and how can i help you on this journey this is your journey only you know who you are and mind you we're

00:30:20.080 doing this with a five-year-old right only you know your identity you tell me the doctor what you would

00:30:29.680 like to do do you feel like you know if let's say the child is 10 or 11 and they're about to go into

00:30:38.400 puberty if the child says you know i'm really nervous about my body changing i don't want my voice to

00:30:46.240 drop i don't want to grow facial hair well then that means this child according to gender affirming care

00:30:55.840 which is the predominant you know that is that is what everyone in this country is supposed to be

00:31:01.520 practicing uh we are supposed to make uh puberty blockers available to that child without any

00:31:12.160 gatekeeping without any consideration of perhaps this child has emotional problems perhaps he or she

00:31:20.640 is on the autism spectrum and is uncomfortable with their body for some reason maybe this child was

00:31:26.640 abused or neglected or bullied or what have you or maybe it's just also part of nature when your body is

00:31:36.320 changing and it's it's a weird thing to go through your hormones and everything gets all screwed up and

00:31:45.040 you're in that time period you everybody is like a ticking time bomb because you're not sure and there's

00:31:52.800 this this song from a group called ajr it's called don't take away my legos and it's a it's a song whose lyrics

00:32:01.920 are i don't want to grow up i don't mom and dad i'm going to move out but don't throw away my legos

00:32:09.040 because i'm not done being a kid i want to come back maybe i want to come back and that's a traumatic

00:32:15.360 thing and it's real and it happened to all of us and there is fear of adulthood and there is fear of

00:32:25.600 being of becoming a sexualized person you know when you go through puberty which all of us had to do in

00:32:35.280 order to become adults it's not only our bodies that are changing and becoming uh uh overtly identifiable

00:32:46.000 as being men or women it's our entire system our brains are maturing and becoming adult brains

00:32:53.920 puberty is a period that we all have to go through but you're right it can be scary for many many kids

00:33:02.720 right especially yes kids are afraid of adulthood that is another factor another and there's you know

00:33:10.480 this is a complex fact uh topic yeah you know that we going back to rosa i got to know rosa better over

00:33:20.000 time and i learned that she had during covid during lockdowns uh she had been online almost 24 7

00:33:32.320 and she she had met uh a bunch of other girls uh online who were all identifying as boys and they were

00:33:43.680 very troubled girls they they exposed her to pornography they exposed her to all kinds of suicidal self-harm

00:33:54.480 behaviors um and these girls had a tremendous influence on rosa and she became obsessed with this group of kids

00:34:06.560 kids that all considered themselves boys and she was uh influenced by them to also think that she may be a boy

00:34:18.160 and that's where all of this came from and when we discovered that and her parents of course uh went into her social media

00:34:30.480 and you know glenn i have to say to all the parents that are watching and listening

00:34:35.840 you have to get control of your child's internet use and in my book which is right here lost in transnation

00:34:48.080 i have a bunch of appendices in the back of the book one of them instructs parents

00:34:54.640 parents on how to get control of your child's internet use you must do this i can't emphasize

00:35:03.360 it enough the internet is filled with adults who are just waiting to find a way to access your child

00:35:14.640 and they access your child in all sorts of places that you would not imagine

00:35:19.440 so you must get control of your kid's internet um getting back to rosa when her parents discovered

00:35:30.000 that all this had been going on they my advice to them was that they were going to have to cut her off

00:35:37.920 from this friend group cold turkey and it was not an easy thing to do because these girls who all

00:35:46.560 identified as boys who were troubled mentally ill self-harming burning themselves and encouraging

00:35:56.880 encouraging rosa into these behaviors as well um there had to be a break but you know between this

00:36:07.280 friend group and rosa boy but when you're parents when you're addicted to something like i imagine rosa was

00:36:14.480 and and in that that group going i mean wow that's a that's tough for the parents because i'm sure

00:36:24.160 she immediately looked in to others as her parents as enemies because her truth was not being recognized

00:36:30.960 the truth of this group right so that's another element the kids are indoctrinated to believe

00:36:38.400 that anyone that does not get with the program and celebrate the new identity new names and new

00:36:47.120 pronouns does not love them does not care about them and so it's a very very very difficult situation for

00:36:57.280 parents um they are walking along a tightrope and you know glenn we could spend the rest of the day

00:37:04.800 just discussing what what it's like for these parents but i do want the parents listening to

00:37:11.680 know that there is help out there and they should not be going through this alone there is no reason to

00:37:19.680 be isolated uh my website miriamgrossmanmd.com has a long list of resources where parents can get

00:37:31.200 support and guidance on how to deal with this situation so getting back to rosa yes it was for

00:37:39.920 a few weeks a family crisis in which uh you know she was desperately trying to reach these girls

00:37:49.520 um she did actually become at least she expressed rosa did some suicidal thoughts now listen to this glenn

00:37:58.800 when she did that and i assessed her for being suicidal and she would not agree to not harm herself

00:38:09.200 now as a child psychiatrist when i have a patient who i believe really could harm themselves and i'm worried

00:38:20.320 you know i'm worried you know i'm worried about them still being home uh with all the possibilities that

00:38:27.920 exist of helping oneself i have to put the child in the hospital even if it's temporary the problem is glenn

00:38:38.080 that right now the adolescent psychiatric units in our hospitals are creating

00:38:46.160 transgender children

00:38:51.440 the kids are the kids are going into the hospital and they are not transgender identified

00:38:58.560 and they are leaving two weeks later and they are transgender identified

00:39:05.520 so uh and this is a very well-known phenomenon and i've talked to individuals who work on the units

00:39:13.760 these adolescent units and so as a psychiatrist for kids i am in a real bind yeah because what do we do

00:39:25.440 when a kid needs to go into the hospital for their own safety but i know that in the hospital this uh

00:39:34.000 falsehood uh this ideology these these beliefs about being born in the wrong body

00:39:41.360 are going to be are going to be uh are going to be uh inculcated into the child and and a good proportion of

00:39:51.440 the other kids who are on the unit 50 60 percent of kids who are now on psychiatric units

00:39:59.200 are identifying as transgender or non-binary whatever that means or one of those new identities

00:40:06.960 so it was it was a very difficult time not only for the parents but for myself we managed to keep her out of

00:40:15.520 the hospital to make a long story short once she was away from that influence that online influence

00:40:25.200 she was back with her friends at school um she did have a wonderful close-knit family

00:40:34.080 i had to put her on medication for a while but she ended up doing well and toward the end of the

00:40:40.960 therapy when i asked her what does she think now about what happened with her she was so sure that

00:40:46.720 she was a boy she said you know i don't know dr grossman i just got involved with those kids and

00:40:52.400 they were a really bad influence on me i don't know how that happened but i know i don't even want to

00:40:57.600 think about it i don't even want to go there more with dr grossman in uh just a second as she's um

00:41:05.840 she will be in the galileo club someday i think refusing to sit down because she knows the truth

00:41:11.760 um if if you live in pain i used to live in horrible pain every single day and if you've done it i know how

00:41:19.360 much it just sucks and it drains the color out of your world i tried everything to get it to go away i'm

00:41:26.160 sure you did thankfully my wife heard about relief factor and that changed my world forever i got

00:41:33.920 my life back so if you're dealing with what i was dealing with or anything like it maybe today's the

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00:41:57.680 three three-week quick start they're not they're not dragging this out they're not saying it works

00:42:02.000 for everybody 70 of the people who try the three-week quick start go on to order more 30 don't they're

00:42:08.880 open about that just try it try it for three weeks if it doesn't work stop taking it but if you feel

00:42:16.320 any difference keep taking it 800 for relief 800 for relief or relief factor.com what is a percentage of

00:42:27.280 of kids that are going through this that see a doctor like you and escape this

00:42:36.240 well it's it's hard to know the answer to that there are more and more therapists who are practicing

00:42:45.520 what we call uh gender critical or gender exploratory therapy there is a group called

00:42:56.400 therapyfirst.org and these are therapists who like myself are not going to put the child in the driver's

00:43:06.480 seat and we believe that when somebody chooses a new identity and clings to that new identity

00:43:15.280 there's a reason for it and you must explore it you must get to the bottom of why is a girl running

00:43:24.160 from her femininity was she molested was she abused um you know was she bullied at school uh

00:43:36.000 why does she think that living as a boy will improve her life

00:43:39.920 these are the kind of questions you don't ask these questions on day one right you have to first get

00:43:47.680 to know the child and get to know the family and build trust but slowly slowly you can begin to gently

00:43:56.720 kind of wonder i wonder why you you're attracted to the idea of being a boy let's talk about what that

00:44:05.680 may be look about what what are the possibilities when did that first happen when did you even hear

00:44:12.720 about this idea and then slowly the story comes out and it's definitely possible to help many of the kids

00:44:21.360 i will say though that when they are extremely indoctrinated it can be terribly uphill and even

00:44:30.240 impossible and it gets to the point where i have sometimes felt like this is no longer psychiatry this

00:44:38.800 is a cult this is mind control this this child has been recruited into a cult and my speaking to them

00:44:49.920 you know for an hour every week is just not going to do it because after that hour they go out into the world

00:44:57.520 back to their friends back to the internet back to you know uh you know the teachers and the guidance

00:45:06.240 counselor and everyone out there in the world um that's telling them that i'm the bad guy and their

00:45:12.960 parents are the bad guy and sometimes it just uh you know it just i i can't i can't help them sometimes

00:45:22.160 that is tragic it it is um i think i said earlier this is a cult and it it truly it has all of the

00:45:31.840 earmarks of a cult you know the the high priests uh of the cult say don't trust your parents don't

00:45:40.000 trust your family if they turn against you they're part of the problem uh only listen to me uh my way is the

00:45:48.720 only way don't question anything and you know some people die in those cults because they can't they

00:45:58.000 can't come back out well and some people are dying from this particular cult and ideology and if not of

00:46:07.360 course you know every every death is is a terrible terrible tragedy but we also have shattered lives we have

00:46:17.520 people who you know didn't go through a normal adolescence they've lost years of their lives

00:46:26.800 years of important developmental milestones and now they're in their 20s or 30s and they're trying to

00:46:35.120 make up for that to say nothing of the physical disfigurement so you know this is um the body count

00:46:43.680 is very high and we haven't even started talking about the families the siblings the marriages the

00:46:50.320 destroyed marriages over this issue so the damage is massive so why is it why is it that nobody talks

00:47:01.280 about the family or the parents i can't imagine if i mean i can imagine because i've gone through some

00:47:09.040 mental health issues with my kids and i can't imagine doing you know look i i i i just want them to be

00:47:17.920 happy you know and be who they are and be happy and everything else and um uh but you do you feel

00:47:26.960 completely alone and isolated and uh you know i wouldn't have known about you um you know and and

00:47:37.760 and everything in our society is shouting that you are a monster if you do that why doesn't anyone talk

00:47:47.280 about the parents who really just want to do the right thing by their child but see this and go this

00:47:55.120 cannot be the right thing well there's a few answers to that first of all eat when you we tend to

00:48:05.440 always go back to the kids and i noticed this early on that when i was speaking to parents and the parents

00:48:12.960 were clearly traumatized and the parents mental health was declining and they weren't sleeping and

00:48:19.600 they weren't eating and they weren't functioning and they were crying all day and i tried to say to

00:48:25.520 them you know let's put the child to the side now i just want to talk about you i want to talk to both

00:48:34.000 of you you and your husband what you're going through right now and we would start for a few minutes and it

00:48:41.360 always went back to the kid now this is the natural i think inclination of loving parents to always go back

00:48:52.000 to the kid and to not put yourself first like you said you want your kid to be okay when our kids are

00:49:01.680 suffering we suffer it's very hard to see your child suffer the way that these kids do and to understand

00:49:13.840 that they are on a path toward harm they are on a an irreversible path toward medical interventions

00:49:24.720 that they will have to live with the rest of their lives you know if a girl goes on testosterone

00:49:30.640 her voice will begin to drop within three months that is forever she's going to have

00:49:42.960 you know a lowered voice forever within three months and some of these girls might be 13 or 14 years old

00:49:51.920 when they go on testosterone they are in no position whatsoever to make these to give an informed consent

00:50:00.160 we don't let kids drink until they're they don't let kids drink until they're 21 we don't let them

00:50:06.560 drive till they're 16 we don't let them have guns my gosh this this is life-changing

00:50:15.520 so we just glenn you and i just did exactly what i was explaining we went back to the kids

00:50:22.080 but the parents you see many a majority of parents who are uh not going along with it do not want to go

00:50:37.040 public they are afraid if they go public oh yeah that their child will discover that they have become

00:50:45.840 activists on the other side so there are many uh uh forums and there are websites and there are support

00:50:56.640 groups for parents but essentially these parents almost all of them are anonymous now my book is devoted

00:51:06.320 my dedication of the book is devoted to these parents who have been abandoned by my profession

00:51:15.920 the medical and mental health professions utterly abandoned and they have been demonized by my profession

00:51:24.320 now i will tell your listeners to there's an incredible substack called pitt p-i-t-t

00:51:38.080 parents with inconvenient truths about trans again it's it's a substack p-i-t-t and it is filled with

00:51:50.160 hundreds and hundreds of the most remarkable essays written anonymously by parents please read some of

00:52:01.680 those essays about what these parents have gone through and are going through now you you ask why

00:52:10.880 we don't hear from the parents so partly it's because they want the focus to be on the kids

00:52:16.960 they want to remain anonymous but it's also because my profession won't acknowledge their existence and

00:52:27.360 won't acknowledge their trauma now my profession acknowledges the trauma of every other group

00:52:36.640 you know if you have a school shooting or a natural disaster or uh you know even

00:52:45.360 uh someone uh someone who who isn't a a sexual abuser uh a perpetrator uh someone who's committed rape

00:52:58.000 uh someone who's murdered in my profession we've i worked in a prison for years so i know that we find ways

00:53:07.040 of of being able to sit down with these people and work with them and acknowledge

00:53:14.320 that they have issues that they have issues and that it's our responsibility to be there for them as

00:53:20.320 well even if they have been if they're a serial murderer if they're a serial rapist a serial child

00:53:29.680 abuser we sit down and we provide them with therapy compassionate therapy right but when it comes to the

00:53:37.280 parents who are the parents who are refusing to affirm their kids and deny reality those parents are not

00:53:47.280 acknowledged as going through trauma and going through terrible suffering and ptsd i cannot imagine

00:53:58.800 if my little girl who you know was a ballerina and she grows up she's 16 she comes home from school and

00:54:07.600 suddenly she says i'm a boy and she's on hormones and i'm starting to see her grow a beard i don't know how

00:54:16.720 i would live with that because i know i know who she is and i know the world we're living in and that

00:54:24.480 it would just be devastating it is exactly that it is devastating and sometimes glenn you have one

00:54:33.840 parent that can live with it with difficulty and the other who cannot well and what do you do right

00:54:41.440 well so so let's stop there for just a second and go to i could not and i've had a talk with my

00:54:49.360 family on this as we've talked about this generally um you know because my younger kids are like dad

00:54:56.480 you know out of respect you should and i said they can call themselves whatever they want but i will

00:55:04.640 always address somebody as i would if i had to bring them to the hospital i'm not going into a hospital

00:55:13.920 er room with somebody who claims they're a woman and say uh this is a woman she's a man science is

00:55:23.200 science and it's not healthy to um engage in other people's disease you know you can love them but it's not

00:55:34.240 healthy you're glenn you're an alcoholic no i'm not you are but i love you you know

00:55:43.760 and when you start to get help you'll realize if the for anybody in my life who would deny that i'm an

00:55:51.680 alcoholic i'm in recovery now for almost 30 years but uh they would deny that i'm an alcoholic and say

00:55:59.120 oh you know what you don't have a problem you just keep drinking doesn't really love me doesn't love me

00:56:06.000 well glenn you can explain to your kids and i want your audience to know as well that when it comes

00:56:15.040 to the new names and pronouns what we call social transitioning a study a report just came out of

00:56:22.080 england about two weeks ago it's a of a report by a very prominent uh pediatrician who was asked by the

00:56:32.160 national health service of england to review all the data that exists on helping these kids and she

00:56:41.120 reported it's called the cass report c-a-s-s she reported not only is there no evidence that the

00:56:50.000 medicalization that the hormones and surgeries do not provide long-term benefit there also is no evidence

00:56:59.120 that the social transition does not provide long-term evidence to the contrary the social transitioning of

00:57:09.120 these kids puts them on the path toward the medicalization the experimental medicalization

00:57:19.120 so we are not doing a favor to these kids by uh denying reality by essentially

00:57:33.200 saying to them yeah i agree with you you were born in the wrong body i will call you by a new name and

00:57:41.120 new pronouns because you are one of the mistakes walking around maybe god did make a mistake with you

00:57:48.960 and so i'm gonna honor your new name and your new pronoun a new identity we have no evidence in the long

00:57:56.400 run of benefit of doing that i will tell you that goes against the american nature the american nature is

00:58:06.080 hey you know you do what you want and what's right for you and i'm not gonna i'm not gonna judge you

00:58:14.720 and that becomes very very dangerous when it's played out to these extremes but we don't like to

00:58:21.200 we don't like to judge people we don't like to um you know worry ourselves about somebody else's

00:58:27.200 business and you know it's just that's who we are and it's being used against us that good nature

00:58:33.680 um hey you're my neighbor and i can get along with you even though we disagree that's been turned around

00:58:40.880 against us and so we feel we're made to feel like monsters if we don't i mean i've a very um

00:58:51.120 jenner when bruce jenner came out and said uh i had this life that i was miserable my whole life

00:59:01.200 i felt bad for him i felt really bad i don't want somebody to go through all of that and to know that his

00:59:08.400 whole life he felt like that that is so tragic now he's different because he doesn't you know

00:59:16.560 insist that everybody play along um he's more reasonable um but i don't want anybody to have those

00:59:26.560 feelings but you we can't go down this road well i'm glad you're bringing up jenner because you see

00:59:34.320 the group of kids that we are now faced with all of us you know in our offices and schools

00:59:44.160 uh the tsunami of kids identifying as something other than their physical reality reality is a

00:59:51.680 completely different story than someone like bruce or caitlin jenner yes it's a completely different

01:00:00.640 situation um and again this is a complicated issue there are types of gender dysphoria

01:00:09.680 that begin very very early in life we don't know why right because these individuals are physically

01:00:16.320 healthy for some reason they feel this intense incongruence and you know with their bodies and it

01:00:23.360 goes on and on and on you know year after year that's not what we're looking at now this what what

01:00:30.160 no these kids like rosa that's what we're talking about the social contagion of kids who are hearing

01:00:39.040 about the possibility of their bodies being wrong they're hearing from friends from at school online and

01:00:47.120 so on and so on and so forth and then they are latching on to this idea very different than someone

01:00:54.320 like bruce jenner it's important to point that out i mean i want to make it clear that there are individuals

01:01:03.760 very rare individuals who may benefit as adults uh of of going through this body modification

01:01:13.440 and i would not never suggest that across the board we make these interventions unavailable

01:01:22.960 uh i would say though that these are extremely rare people that it is it is impossible to identify

01:01:32.400 beforehand who's going to benefit from the interventions and who is not going to benefit

01:01:38.400 and certainly anyone under the age of i would say 25 i mean the brain is not fully mature until

01:01:47.120 around right mid-20s should not uh have should should simply not have access to these interventions

01:01:54.960 uh i i have to tell you doctor that uh i'm really a lucky man because i i get to meet so many people

01:02:05.440 people that um you know i thought my dad was in between the world war and he died about 10 years

01:02:16.720 ago and he said life wasn't that hard in my generation uh he said we had our ups and downs he said but

01:02:25.840 you're facing things that we haven't faced since maybe the 1930s and he said it's going to be interesting

01:02:32.880 to see how you all work it out and uh and i thought about that for a long time and i thought you know

01:02:39.600 my dad in his own way was but not like the whole society is being thrown up against the wall right now

01:02:48.960 who are you what do you really believe will you stand for what you know is true or will you cower and um

01:02:57.760 um people like you are rare and you're standing and you're doing it maybe even with fear at times but

01:03:07.120 you won't let that conquer you and uh you you are one of the you're one of the people that will be

01:03:13.760 remembered after the insanity ends you will be remembered thank you glenn interesting that you

01:03:21.360 should mention the 30s i am the child of holocaust survivors oh my gosh so i do know what can happen

01:03:31.440 uh in a totalitarian state that is uh indoctrinating its citizens with lies and good people fail to stand up

01:03:44.320 yeah yeah and i tell you but this is so now that i know that part of your history you know the the

01:03:51.520 first transgender surgery was in the weimar republic uh it was 1925 and there were four years of surgery on

01:04:00.480 this guy he died when the doctor finally tried to put a uterus in him um but it was that i think it was the

01:04:08.160 university of sexology or something in berlin and um that was they were indoctrinating the kids with

01:04:17.360 this weimar became very very twisted the um it started getting into the schools and that's when the german

01:04:26.320 people looked at these despicable brown shirts and because the brown shirts were saying we gotta stop

01:04:34.080 this we gotta we burn those books the first books that were burned in germany were the books from the

01:04:42.160 university of sexology teaching this kind of stuff because people didn't know what else to do to make

01:04:49.200 it stop and they looked to bullies to stop it we are we are in such dangerous territory right now

01:04:56.960 with our especially with our medical doctors

01:04:59.280 i agree and i know that you had uh stanley goldfarb on recently from do no harm medicine yes

01:05:08.400 where i'm actually a senior fellow oh wow anyone who's listening or watching uh you know should check

01:05:16.720 out that organization do no harm medicine and join it this is a group that is standing up against gender

01:05:24.400 identity politics in medicine very dangerous movement so thank you for having dr goldfarb on and thank you

01:05:33.360 for having me on and thank you for recognizing the evil really the the evil that is uh that we're living

01:05:41.120 with it is an ancient evil that has been awakened again thank you so much doctor appreciate it god bless

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Ep 220 ｜ Why Are So Many Kids Identifying as Trans？｜ Miriam Grossman, M.D. ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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