The Glenn Beck Program - Ep 221 ｜ Willie Robertson's Wild Ride from Worm Farms to 'Duck Dynasty' Fame

00:00:00.980 And now, a Blaze Media Podcast.

00:00:04.280 The beard and the bandana are a little more than an accessory,

00:00:09.160 a symbol of the man whose name is synonymous with family and faith and the great outdoors.

00:00:16.820 He is the CEO of Duck Commander.

00:00:19.520 He is the face of one of the most watched reality TV shows of all time.

00:00:24.980 He's one of the biggest shows here on the Blaze.

00:00:28.660 He is a true embodiment of the American spirit.

00:00:33.260 I can't wait to talk to him because his stories from early age,

00:00:41.900 he not only developed a deep appreciation for the outdoor way of life,

00:00:46.500 but also there's a reason why he's the CEO.

00:00:51.400 And Duck Dynasty and all of it happened.

00:00:55.220 Thanks to his father also, who hasn't been without serious trials and tribulations of his own,

00:01:05.300 he found redemption, and they share it all the time.

00:01:08.520 But this man's story is more than, you know, duck calls and hunting gear.

00:01:13.200 It's about resilience, entrepreneurship like crazy,

00:01:17.000 and the power of faith to overcome life's challenges.

00:01:19.820 He has captivated audiences all around the world.

00:01:23.780 He is charming.

00:01:25.260 He is friendly.

00:01:26.880 He is fun.

00:01:28.160 I love him.

00:01:30.200 And somehow or another, he and his family have survived reality TV.

00:01:35.220 Beyond the cameras and the fame, he is a devoted husband to his wife

00:01:39.120 and a loving father to their six children.

00:01:41.100 He's a best-selling author now, sought-after speaker,

00:01:44.640 philanthropist with a heart as big as Louisiana Sky,

00:01:48.880 author of a new book called Godspeller.

00:01:52.880 If you stay until the end, you will learn the secret behind the man

00:01:56.920 that took a simple duck call business and turned it into a multi-million dollar enterprise.

00:02:02.960 And you're also going to have a lot of laughs.

00:02:05.420 Today, welcome to the program, Willie Robertson.

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00:03:18.340 Here we go with Willie.

00:03:19.200 Willie, we've been sitting here as they were trying to fix a light.

00:03:37.980 Yeah.

00:03:38.260 And for a while.

00:03:39.960 And we, I know.

00:03:40.960 And you started talking about Florence, Italy.

00:03:44.140 You're going to Florence, Italy.

00:03:45.600 And I love, it is just history there, and the art there is amazing.

00:03:52.860 And you're going back.

00:03:54.960 You studied there, right?

00:03:56.120 I lived there.

00:03:56.900 My wife and I lived there.

00:03:58.520 We did a college program, and I lived there for like four months.

00:04:03.760 Yeah.

00:04:04.060 We imagine you stuck out a little bit.

00:04:06.620 That's how I'm so, no, well, back then.

00:04:09.360 See, we had a little thing called the old bait and switch.

00:04:11.740 So, when I married Corey, my hair was really short, no beard, very preppy.

00:04:18.680 Preppy?

00:04:19.160 Oh, yeah.

00:04:19.980 Oh, my God.

00:04:20.600 Oh, yeah.

00:04:21.520 And then over the years, I just slowly, she got the real package.

00:04:29.000 I looked at my dad, and I looked at me, I was like, oh, no, that's what you, you ended

00:04:32.800 up getting that, so.

00:04:33.880 You went to Florence, which is.

00:04:36.340 Studied there, yeah.

00:04:37.240 One of the great, and you studied art there?

00:04:38.740 Well, that's where we took, well, yeah, we had to, that's where we got our credit for

00:04:42.620 art appreciation, music appreciation, foreign languages, we tried to take them there.

00:04:47.380 And I don't know that I would have passed any of those classes had I not been there.

00:04:51.620 Yeah, yeah.

00:04:51.940 Because you had to.

00:04:52.640 You lock in.

00:04:53.420 You have to go order your own coffee.

00:04:54.880 You have to go, and so I had to learn.

00:04:57.180 You go in on art, you know, I was like, there's the fake statue in the square of the David.

00:05:07.400 David, right.

00:05:08.240 And you're like, I have seen it, and I've seen it a million times, and then, you know,

00:05:11.480 somebody I know in the family probably has one, you know, sitting on a shelf.

00:05:15.980 And then you walk in and see the real David.

00:05:18.880 Yeah.

00:05:19.500 And it is.

00:05:21.660 Oh, it's.

00:05:22.900 Completely.

00:05:23.460 I don't, I don't even know how to describe.

00:05:25.680 Yeah.

00:05:26.040 What the difference is.

00:05:28.180 It's, yeah, there's, I mean, there's a lot of art there.

00:05:31.280 Yeah.

00:05:31.520 And sadly, when I was there, I was so sick of art, because we had been doing it all,

00:05:35.500 like, for college, like, all the way from Amsterdam to Paris, like, we'd been, and I

00:05:40.240 didn't have the, which is ironic, the class was called Art Appreciation, and I didn't have

00:05:45.680 the Art Appreciation like I would now, so.

00:05:48.700 So what did you get your degree in?

00:05:51.440 Okay, now, you've got to stay with this one, because it's not going to make a lot of sense,

00:05:55.220 but I'll explain it.

00:05:55.960 I have a non-certified to teach P.E. degree.

00:06:05.480 You can teach P.E.

00:06:07.440 No, I can't teach P.E.

00:06:08.480 No, you can't, because you're not certified.

00:06:10.440 I do.

00:06:10.980 I spent, like, six years getting a degree that every time I just tell people the name

00:06:16.380 of it, they start laughing.

00:06:18.860 Here's the deal.

00:06:19.600 Wait, wait, wait.

00:06:20.020 I can't teach, I can't legally teach P.E., which is, P.E. is essentially rolling some

00:06:25.820 balls out in the gym going, all right, kids, get after it.

00:06:28.540 I can't teach that.

00:06:29.620 Wait, but you, and that's how, I spent.

00:06:30.920 But wait, how, what was that degree supposed to give you?

00:06:34.580 Okay, okay, okay, so here's, here's how we explained it.

00:06:39.380 If you wanted, if you wanted to learn about, like, so you weren't going to be a teacher,

00:06:44.540 but let's say you were going to run a health club, so you needed to know some business.

00:06:48.220 So we, instead of the education classes, we took business classes.

00:06:51.100 So it was like a business side of physical education.

00:06:55.460 Okay.

00:06:55.980 And I did ask the school I went to, I said, do y'all still have that degree?

00:06:59.320 And he said, no, no, that one's been gone.

00:07:02.220 He was like, no, that's a shit.

00:07:03.620 That was created for you and all the football players who needed to really get through school.

00:07:09.640 You, though, are, like, you are a fascinating guy when it comes to business.

00:07:15.180 Yes, you were, tell the story about you selling candy on the bus.

00:07:23.320 Oh, yeah, candy, yeah.

00:07:23.900 In elementary school.

00:07:25.380 Fifth grade, yeah.

00:07:26.360 Yeah.

00:07:26.720 Big year, fifth grade.

00:07:27.600 Big year.

00:07:28.460 Big year.

00:07:29.520 I don't even remember my fifth grade.

00:07:32.280 Fifth grade.

00:07:33.400 Fifth grade changed my life.

00:07:34.920 Fifth grade was the reason, I mean, 100% why I got the job as CEO of Duck Commander, because

00:07:41.500 of fifth grade.

00:07:42.100 And when my dad, my dad said, I said, Dad, I think I can turn this company around.

00:07:49.560 I think I can take us to the next level.

00:07:51.440 He goes, yeah, in fifth grade, you did shut that concession stand.

00:07:54.980 He referenced that.

00:07:55.860 He didn't read a resume.

00:07:57.360 He didn't ask about the degree that I had.

00:08:01.200 Well, that would have, that would have convinced him.

00:08:03.120 No, we had a guy give, so a guy came down.

00:08:07.080 So where we live is like the end, dad still lives there.

00:08:09.220 It's a dead end road, and people would come down there looking for duck calls, and they

00:08:13.620 would, you know, and we'd just, they would just sell them to them right there.

00:08:16.120 So we had this dude come down.

00:08:17.280 He wanted a duck call.

00:08:18.860 They're chit-chatting, and he said he was a candy distributor, and I just had to be standing

00:08:23.140 out there.

00:08:24.140 So like-

00:08:24.220 You're how old?

00:08:25.400 I'm in fifth grade.

00:08:27.020 That's what, eight?

00:08:28.040 Ten.

00:08:28.580 Ten?

00:08:28.800 I have no idea.

00:08:30.260 And I'm just standing there, and so he starts explaining what he did.

00:08:33.640 He said, I'm the distributor of candy.

00:08:35.240 And I didn't understand how distribution worked, and he was like, you know, like when

00:08:39.000 you go in a gas station, you buy this candy.

00:08:41.060 Well, I'm the one that sells it to them, and then they sell it to you.

00:08:43.600 They're the retailer.

00:08:44.780 And I was like, oh, that's brilliant.

00:08:46.860 And then he handed, he had a box of Hubba Bubba Bubblegum, and he just handed it to

00:08:52.700 Phil, and I'm standing right there, right place, right time.

00:08:57.060 And Phil just leans over and said, here you go.

00:08:58.640 And he said, that's for the boys, which I'm like, no, this is for me.

00:09:01.240 So I took that gum, and I went to, I just laid there.

00:09:06.080 I just remember I sat on the bed, and I was just like, God, do I just eat, you know, like

00:09:10.960 just all of it?

00:09:12.380 Like it went just back to back to back to back, you know?

00:09:15.180 Because we were so poor, we didn't have any money, and I was like, and I thought, no,

00:09:18.440 I'm going to sell this.

00:09:19.720 I'm going to sell this gum.

00:09:21.500 I'm going to be the retailer.

00:09:23.680 And I've got this.

00:09:24.760 I've got no money in it, so this will be my, you know, my start.

00:09:27.760 Yeah, my seed money.

00:09:28.380 So I get on the bus, man, and start selling, and they're, you know, talk about a hot market.

00:09:33.320 I mean, because the school didn't sell gum.

00:09:37.420 They didn't sell gum, and I'm like, that's a miss.

00:09:40.640 And so I sell all that out, and then I go to mom, and I said, mom, I need more candy.

00:09:44.640 And I had this cash, you know, and so she took me to like what they call cash and carry,

00:09:49.700 where you could buy a box, which I got, Costco.

00:09:52.660 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:09:53.480 So I go up there, and I buy me, you know, some boxes of candy.

00:09:56.160 So I just looked at what the concession stand had, and I just ordered the opposite,

00:10:00.180 because their selection was crappy anyway.

00:10:02.120 So I just start shoving all this.

00:10:05.560 I've got a big coat on.

00:10:06.760 I'm wearing this stuff.

00:10:07.640 So in my locker, I put shelving in all my candies, my gum and stuff.

00:10:13.080 You know, I had a lock on it.

00:10:14.180 So I would just go, and I'm dealing.

00:10:15.780 I was like a drug dealer, but it was candy.

00:10:18.860 Because here's the flaws of the concession stand.

00:10:22.140 The selection was crappy.

00:10:23.820 They didn't open until 245.

00:10:25.540 So it was the last 15 minutes of school is when you could buy.

00:10:29.160 By 245, I've got everybody's money in the whole school.

00:10:32.900 They're out, like, and they're chewing gum, and they're, and so.

00:10:36.180 How much do you remember?

00:10:38.420 How much you made?

00:10:39.800 Oh, hundreds of, I mean, hundreds and hundreds of dollars, man.

00:10:42.380 I was like, mom's like bumming money off of me, you know?

00:10:47.520 A little roll of cash in like a rubber band.

00:10:50.120 Then they started like popping up like competitors.

00:10:53.020 The yaunt boys up the road started their little can.

00:10:56.160 I'm like, ah, this is getting out of control, you know?

00:10:58.840 Oh, my gosh.

00:11:00.040 And then the principal called me in his office and shuts me down.

00:11:05.440 Why?

00:11:05.780 Well, he said, because he said he met with a concession stand, and he said their sales

00:11:11.800 were down.

00:11:13.060 I mean, that's literally what he told me.

00:11:14.600 I'm sitting there as a fifth grader, and I'm like, well, I can tell you why.

00:11:19.340 You know, like, they need a better, and he goes, I'm bad, and you can't sell anything.

00:11:24.780 Wow.

00:11:24.920 I always say it was my first run-in with the government, so.

00:11:27.300 Yeah, you ain't kidding.

00:11:28.180 He shut me down.

00:11:30.040 So, what did you do?

00:11:32.380 I mean, you obviously knew you were an entrepreneur.

00:11:37.920 Well, I knew that.

00:11:38.700 Well, I had a worm farm probably the year before.

00:11:43.020 You have to explain.

00:11:43.560 So, in fourth grade, I was a worm farmer, and so I had, that's probably where I knew,

00:11:51.780 like, that's where I really built a business, like, from the ground up.

00:11:54.920 In fourth grade.

00:11:55.300 Fourth grade.

00:11:56.200 So, I had this boat.

00:11:57.400 So, Dad had this old boat.

00:11:58.840 It was kind of sunken a little bit in the creek, because Dad was fishing pretty much.

00:12:02.460 Like, Duck Commander was small, but mostly we got our money from fishing, commercial fishing,

00:12:06.740 nets.

00:12:07.000 And so, I had this, he had this boat, and I said, Dad, can I have that, can I use that boat?

00:12:10.880 He said, it doesn't work for a boat anymore.

00:12:13.480 And he said, yeah.

00:12:14.200 So, I drugged that thing.

00:12:15.060 I don't know, because we had no equipment.

00:12:16.660 I still don't know how I got that thing on these sawhorses, because we had no tractor.

00:12:20.460 We didn't have, we had nothing.

00:12:22.000 But I put this boat up on two sawhorses, and Dad said, worms love manure.

00:12:27.740 So, old man Lee, about a mile up the road, had all these cows, and so I took a wheelbarrow,

00:12:34.840 walked one mile, barrel by barrel, and filled this thing up with cow manure and dirt.

00:12:42.720 And then I just went out and found all the worms that I could.

00:12:45.740 So, I knew all the spots where the worms were.

00:12:47.780 You went out and found all the worms?

00:12:49.580 Yeah, they're free.

00:12:50.160 I mean, I just got to find the right, so it's the right moisture content with the leave content.

00:12:57.260 There were other ways, like you could take two sticks and like, you could kind of agitate

00:13:01.480 them up.

00:13:02.120 But I knew where to find them.

00:13:03.520 I was finding earthworms last week.

00:13:05.340 Like, I still do it.

00:13:07.080 It's fun.

00:13:07.520 It's awesome.

00:13:07.640 Do you still sell them?

00:13:08.840 No, I don't sell them.

00:13:09.620 No, but I have a bucket at home, and now I'm having to text people like, make sure you water

00:13:13.800 my worms.

00:13:14.920 And so, I had all these worms in there, and I put, Dad said they like cornmeal, so I

00:13:18.480 spread a little cornmeal, had them covered up.

00:13:20.860 I'd water them every day.

00:13:22.160 And then we lived on a boat dock.

00:13:23.540 And so, we lived right at the, where the creek comes off the river.

00:13:27.700 And so, Granny, Granny had the big business.

00:13:29.900 She had the boat dock.

00:13:31.300 So, she had put the landing in, and she had a mailbox that said a dollar for a deal, and

00:13:36.260 they'd stick a dollar in there.

00:13:38.080 And I could take two sticks.

00:13:39.500 I would fish some of the dollars.

00:13:42.540 But then I set up on her boat dock, and it said Willie's Worms, and then I would, I'd

00:13:47.380 count them all out, and I'd put them in old cans.

00:13:48.940 So, all the cans, like, was, we saved every can that would spit most of them, but it was

00:13:54.860 like, all the corn cans, and all the, so I had cans, and I'd have like, we'd count them

00:13:59.400 out, and so I'd sell the fishermen the worms.

00:14:01.660 We had to get up at like daylight.

00:14:03.000 So, that was my first business, but that was, you know, it was only Saturday.

00:14:06.360 It was hard work.

00:14:07.140 They were nickel apiece, and I knew I was destined for something bigger than this.

00:14:11.340 And then the candy thing happened, and I'm like, oh, yeah.

00:14:13.540 Oh, my God, yeah, yeah.

00:14:14.960 So, where did that, well.

00:14:18.940 Was that, was that, do you think that started because of necessity, or because that's who

00:14:24.800 you are?

00:14:25.460 I think it was necessity, creativity, just a willing to work, I wasn't.

00:14:34.400 That's, that's a big one now.

00:14:35.760 Yeah.

00:14:36.240 Oh, yeah.

00:14:37.280 No TV.

00:14:37.960 No, we had, we had a TV with three channels, and they were only watching whatever dad watched.

00:14:42.320 We could watch Dukes of Hizard.

00:14:44.820 But you had to work.

00:14:45.700 We had to fold boxes while we did it, so we couldn't.

00:14:48.000 But we did all the jobs of Duk Commander, like, we dipped all the calls.

00:14:52.000 I mean, there was no employees.

00:14:53.160 It was, when it first started, it was us, you know.

00:14:56.420 Answered the phone, customer service, I'd pick up the phone.

00:14:59.080 It took me a decade to stop saying Duk Commander when I answered my phone.

00:15:02.300 You know, Duk Commander, how can I help you, you know?

00:15:04.680 And then, we were like 10, like, we were writing down orders, you know.

00:15:08.680 And we would ship them, mom would ship them out.

00:15:10.580 We'd put the orders up, and so, but then we would sell fish.

00:15:14.680 So, I probably learned more about selling from selling, well, I sold the gum, but that

00:15:19.440 was a great, but when you can sell fish, like, they weren't cleaned, you know what I'm saying?

00:15:24.700 Yeah.

00:15:24.860 So, we'd go to the fish market, and they would take them.

00:15:27.060 If the fish market didn't take them, we'd go to the street corner.

00:15:29.700 Fresh fish, like, super fresh, like, you got to clean them fresh.

00:15:32.620 Wow.

00:15:33.380 So, buffalo, catfish, but the catfish, usually, the catfish was the, that was the king.

00:15:38.140 So, they got, you got, like, 70 cents a pound for those.

00:15:40.360 The buffalo was, like, 30 cents a pound.

00:15:42.340 Then, you know, the trashy fish, you know, the goo and the guard.

00:15:45.460 We'd try to sell them all, man, but you had to, but I would watch, Dad was such a good salesman.

00:15:49.980 Like, Dad could sell anything, you know, he was just a, you know, I think now people see him

00:15:54.220 because he's gotten older, and, you know, he's, but back in the day, man, that dude could,

00:15:58.160 he could sell, man.

00:15:59.220 And he was, like, he, we would, we, he had these, so we'd catch German carp, where they're

00:16:04.120 yellow and they taste horrible.

00:16:05.700 And Dad's, I remember Dad was talking to these guys, he goes, you know what that fish is?

00:16:10.820 That's a golden buffalo.

00:16:12.640 He just changed the name of it.

00:16:14.180 And that sounds way better.

00:16:16.680 Like, German carp?

00:16:18.180 Ain't nobody want to eat a German carp, golden buffalo?

00:16:20.860 Mmm, I'll try it.

00:16:25.000 So, I had a knack for it, and then, but, you know, Glenn,

00:16:29.120 I was always like, oh, I'm out of here, man.

00:16:31.640 I'm getting out of here.

00:16:32.380 I'm never going to work for this business.

00:16:35.320 And then, and then it was so crucial when I, who I married, so I married Corey.

00:16:41.780 Her family were big, they were big business people.

00:16:45.860 They had bought, like, chains of restaurant, I mean, chains of retail stores, and so it was

00:16:52.540 just a, it was just a perfect combination, man, because they, they taught me.

00:16:55.600 Because she understood it, too.

00:16:56.560 Mm-hmm.

00:16:57.400 Really smart.

00:16:58.060 So, she's smart.

00:16:59.220 Her degree is not.

00:17:01.960 To not be able to teach PE.

00:17:03.740 She actually has an art education degree, which is hilarious that she got that degree.

00:17:07.440 But Corey's really smart.

00:17:09.180 And so, yeah, you just had a great combination, man.

00:17:11.760 She's the, she's more of the detail, like, she reads, like, the papers.

00:17:16.240 And so, I went to college, so here's what's even, here's what's even more stupid.

00:17:19.780 But, and Corey's like, Willie, for some reason, you got this dumb degree, but you feel like

00:17:26.500 you're so smart because you, like, I feel like I pulled one up, I was like, how about

00:17:30.380 that?

00:17:30.720 Like, how smart am I?

00:17:32.260 No, by the nature of your degree, it's saying you're not, but I feel like I'm like, I pulled

00:17:37.000 something off it.

00:17:37.680 You know what?

00:17:39.120 Degrees, I think, are worthless.

00:17:41.560 I mean, according to what you're getting it in, I guess.

00:17:44.200 I mean, you're going to be a doctor.

00:17:45.960 Well, yeah, I mean, if you're like, so Corey and I went to college at the same time, which

00:17:50.580 was, that was clutch.

00:17:51.700 I mean, you had, we did all this, so she would take all the notes and, like, it was very helpful.

00:17:59.600 To, you know, because she would do all the details.

00:18:02.260 But then, as our jobs ended up, everything we've done in life, it's been the same way

00:18:06.160 because we worked together.

00:18:08.320 But I learned a lot from her family, a lot from just about general business and how to do

00:18:13.080 stuff and, yeah, that's where it kind of, but when I, true story, when I went to dad

00:18:17.340 at 30, I said, dad, I think, because I went away and then I worked for her family and then

00:18:22.380 I came back to dad and I said, dad, I think I can, I think I got what it takes, you know,

00:18:27.240 because I saw something, I was like, something's here.

00:18:29.700 I could see how people reacted to Phil and I just, I knew, and he had done all the heavy

00:18:33.640 lifting, but they were kind of tired and were like, I think we sold all the duck calls

00:18:37.060 we're going to ever sell.

00:18:37.760 And I came in and he said, you did shut that concession stand down in fifth grade.

00:18:44.440 I said, I did.

00:18:44.960 And he goes, this is Phil and I's contract.

00:18:47.460 Phil goes, you're the man.

00:18:49.500 I said, okay, I'm in charge.

00:18:51.440 And that's how I, I got to tell you, that's how I got in charge.

00:18:54.180 I remember at the height of it, I was driving across the country and every truck stop, every

00:19:02.820 7-Eleven, everything had tons of duck dynasty merchandise.

00:19:10.280 And I just, I like the fifth place I stopped for gas.

00:19:15.260 I just thought, who is running this?

00:19:18.680 This is genius.

00:19:20.860 And that's all you.

00:19:22.620 No, not me.

00:19:23.960 I mean, it was, there was a lot of, you were the CEO.

00:19:26.780 Well, yeah, but I mean, I was, you know, the TV show definitely helped, you know?

00:19:33.140 Oh, no, no, no.

00:19:33.720 I know that.

00:19:34.920 But I mean, the merchandising.

00:19:37.280 Well, it was both.

00:19:38.520 It was duck dynasty and it was both of us.

00:19:41.380 So I didn't own duck dynasty.

00:19:43.080 That was, that's A&E's mark.

00:19:45.860 And so our mark is duck commander, which was even more challenging selling against yourself

00:19:51.300 in the market.

00:19:52.460 Wow.

00:19:52.940 Because they had the rights to my face, just like I did.

00:19:56.680 They had the rights to feels, you know, our likenesses, the things we said.

00:20:00.600 And so, but yeah, but I mean, I played my part, but even with the company, I played a part.

00:20:06.880 I mean, it wasn't the, you know, I think I've made more mistakes.

00:20:10.220 Like I've done more stupid stuff than I have smart stuff.

00:20:12.800 But if you get one that works.

00:20:15.560 Only takes one.

00:20:16.640 But see, when I went into dad, so when I took the company over and so dad's like, all

00:20:20.900 right, you know, you're the guy you're taking over.

00:20:22.940 And I said, all right.

00:20:23.760 And so I just had some things happen, right?

00:20:26.480 You know, I got somebody to pay us to use their products, like an endorsement.

00:20:34.680 We didn't have that.

00:20:36.200 And so that was key.

00:20:37.540 And so I had like a camouflage company and then a shell company.

00:20:41.100 And well, dad's like, this cat's on fire.

00:20:43.860 I'm like, hey, I just made this money to the bottom line and you get free stuff.

00:20:48.060 So it was like, they were like, this is cool.

00:20:49.980 And so we started moving towards this, you know, because dad had done, nobody really knew

00:20:54.160 who Phil was.

00:20:54.900 Like he was this mysterious bearded dude at the end of the river.

00:20:58.400 And they knew he was kind of like a preacher, but he just, he didn't go network at the

00:21:04.000 show, the hunting shows.

00:21:05.220 Right.

00:21:05.300 And so I was able to get in there, do more of that.

00:21:08.220 And then television was interesting because, so Corey, my wife says she watched reality

00:21:14.120 TV and she's like, Willie, y'all should have a reality TV show.

00:21:18.500 And I'm like, I don't think I said, Corey, we're just normal people.

00:21:24.060 And Corey said, Willie, y'all ain't normal.

00:21:27.160 I said, you think?

00:21:28.200 She was like, I'm telling you, I think y'all could do a, you know, she was like, your family

00:21:32.020 is just so unique.

00:21:32.720 Were you ever concerned that that would destroy your family?

00:21:37.820 Because those family relate, those family.

00:21:41.600 People warned, like a lot of Christians told us like, oh, you can't do this.

00:21:45.580 You're going to destroy your family.

00:21:47.420 But I was like, if, if not us, then who, like who, who's going to have the slot if we're

00:21:51.900 not in it?

00:21:52.480 You know, I mean, I was looking at people who do TV and I said, it seems like there's

00:21:56.840 not a lot of bright lights on the TV, you know?

00:21:58.900 And I said, maybe we should, but no, I mean, I felt firm in our faith.

00:22:02.580 And who we were and, you know, like, and, you know, I think you, you, you get a chance

00:22:07.020 and I felt like, I'm like, oh, maybe God led us to this and said, hey, here's your opportunity

00:22:11.860 and here's something to do.

00:22:12.980 So the movie, the movie, the blind, you know, it's one thing because I, I'm a, I was a raging

00:22:23.800 alcoholic and did I need redemption?

00:22:26.800 Um, but it's one thing to talk about it.

00:22:31.620 It's another to see it acted out on the screen.

00:22:35.860 It is.

00:22:37.520 How, how was that?

00:22:40.440 How did that impact you guys?

00:22:42.580 It was difficult on every level.

00:22:46.080 Um, we made the movie and I say we, uh, Corey and I and my cousin, uh, Zach Dasher, my first

00:22:54.140 cousin who, um, his mom is aunt Jan.

00:22:59.460 And she's the one who got the preacher to go talk to Phil.

00:23:02.340 So he was making it, you know, as just as a crucial as in his mom's honor, you know,

00:23:08.180 and she passed away and sadly she didn't even get to see the movie.

00:23:10.620 But, um, but we made the movie.

00:23:13.120 It was our first movie to make.

00:23:14.460 So we had these meetings and we're like, uh, we started a production company after duck

00:23:18.080 dynasty.

00:23:18.500 Cause we knew we said, man, we gotta, there needs to be more shows, you know, positive.

00:23:22.960 Cause we heard the people going, we want more TV and movies like this.

00:23:26.500 And so, um, didn't necessarily, I mean, we knew TV.

00:23:29.880 I knew, I knew how to make that, but film is completely movies different.

00:23:33.520 Yeah.

00:23:33.760 And so we, uh, we jumped in and we had all these ideas and one of the ideas was actually

00:23:37.780 Phil and Kay story, you know?

00:23:40.280 And I was like, well, dad, God, do we want to start out with more of our family?

00:23:44.440 Cause the idea was going to be like, we need to tell other people's stories, not just ours.

00:23:47.820 And, um, but it was just so, such an incredible story.

00:23:51.360 And so we go to Phil, we say, he actually said the same thing to me with the TV show.

00:23:55.820 I went to dad.

00:23:56.500 So when Corey said, Hey, y'all should do a TV show.

00:23:58.800 And then, uh, and then somebody wanted to do one.

00:24:01.520 So I went to dad and I said, dad, uh, they want us to do a TV show.

00:24:04.880 Phil's like, ah, that'll never work.

00:24:06.760 And I said, well, it could help business.

00:24:09.480 Ah, it could help us get the gospel to more people.

00:24:13.800 And he looks up and then again, Phil gives me the, Hey, if it'll get the gospel out.

00:24:18.160 I tell you, that is why.

00:24:19.500 And the movie was the same way.

00:24:20.600 That is, that was what attracted me.

00:24:23.720 I heard people talk about you guys.

00:24:25.820 He said, there's a show and they pray at the end.

00:24:28.360 They sit at the table and they pray in the end.

00:24:30.500 Yeah.

00:24:30.900 That's what attracted me.

00:24:32.220 Yeah.

00:24:32.600 You know, and I don't know.

00:24:34.780 I don't know how you pulled that off with, you know, television, A&E and all of that stuff.

00:24:41.820 It wasn't as bad as what you think.

00:24:43.280 Really?

00:24:43.580 Like it was like the idea.

00:24:47.400 We just, uh, cause we were sitting with the production company and you're right.

00:24:50.060 None of these people are obviously Christians.

00:24:51.660 I mean, some may be, I don't know, but not overtly.

00:24:54.300 Uh, but we just thought it'd be a good idea.

00:24:56.680 And, um, and they were like, yeah.

00:24:58.900 So it wasn't as combative as what you may think.

00:25:01.720 Um, they are, I guess is what people may would think it is.

00:25:06.060 Now they did, they would edit out in Jesus name, which, and they stopped doing that.

00:25:10.840 They finally quit doing the field so mad.

00:25:13.160 Um, so they would do that and I, you know, so, uh, uh, that kind of bothered us, but yeah,

00:25:18.060 they, you know, I mean, if it, once it started working, a lot of people got out of the way

00:25:23.860 and said, okay, that's what they, but I was, I think they always struggle with what made

00:25:27.800 it work, you know, like what exactly made that work?

00:25:30.900 Um, so I guess for instance, they would put shows behind it that were, you know, I won't

00:25:37.900 say anti-faith, but definitely, you know, super worldly and they wouldn't worry if they

00:25:42.740 would flop, you know, they were like, your viewer would literally turn the channel cause

00:25:46.400 they knew like, bang, go to another one.

00:25:48.760 So, um, um, so yeah, they struggled with knowing, I think, uh, especially, I think the faith part

00:25:54.440 and the prayer part, you know, how much that played into it.

00:25:57.360 And, uh, but it wasn't a religious show, you know, Phil always wanted it more religious.

00:26:02.760 Phil was like, Willie, we need more preaching on here.

00:26:05.000 I said, dad, there's another Robertson family that has a TV show that preaches.

00:26:08.780 That's the 700 club.

00:26:09.840 Like, let them like, if they want to know more, let them come, but let's just laugh.

00:26:13.880 Like we, I think we have a gift and a talent of, um, being able to do television like this

00:26:19.780 because I mean, to be honest, no one had ever done a show quite like that because Doug

00:26:25.280 dynasty was a sitcom.

00:26:26.860 It wasn't a reality.

00:26:27.940 It was more, it was a sitcom, but we weren't actors.

00:26:31.600 We were real people, but it played, so we, we've, it was filmed like a sitcom.

00:26:37.020 Like I would walk in the door, walk in the duck car room.

00:26:39.500 That's what Seinfeld does.

00:26:40.980 And yeah, right.

00:26:41.740 So you would enter the room.

00:26:42.780 So we filmed it just like a sitcom.

00:26:44.840 And so, but it was hard to, you know, it was hard to keep doing that because our lives

00:26:51.260 started changing.

00:26:51.800 Like when you're driving around seeing us and all the truck stops, like it was just weird

00:26:56.780 that we didn't know.

00:26:57.640 Cause we don't, they wanted to, it was like, we were in a bubble, right?

00:27:00.520 But it was strange.

00:27:01.260 Like, like we'd be shooting a thing at the grocery store and it'd be like a big deal.

00:27:06.540 I've run out of gas and I, how do, what do I do?

00:27:09.620 But I'm like, I could see myself on people magazine.

00:27:12.560 It's just kind of weird, you know, uh, to, to stay, what was real?

00:27:16.200 What was kind of, I think I call it guided reality.

00:27:19.380 Cause it was like, it's real.

00:27:20.640 I mean, and so I think other people doing reality shows would probably have a hard time

00:27:25.780 shooting it like that.

00:27:26.780 And so, um, uh, but it worked, you know, it's the combination worked and so what

00:27:33.220 was, you just had some real, what was, if you can boil it down into sentence, what was

00:27:39.120 the secret of the show?

00:27:40.200 Why did it work?

00:27:42.520 I think it was a combination of authenticity, uh, authenticity, faith and funny.

00:27:54.000 That's a hard combination.

00:27:56.340 Especially funny.

00:27:57.100 Funny is hard, man.

00:27:57.920 Funny is really hard.

00:27:59.140 And so, and the way they edited was really funny.

00:28:02.980 Um, uh, the guys out there in LA, they edited that stuff.

00:28:06.120 It's just, they, they did these pauses and it's these long, you know, I'm more kind

00:28:10.180 of uncomfortable.

00:28:11.380 Uh, and then size, super funny.

00:28:14.440 And especially side edits funny.

00:28:16.160 I mean, cause you could just like, but side, uncle side, like you could plug in anything

00:28:21.940 you wanted into that man.

00:28:23.080 And now this is a guy who spent 25 years in the military, in the army, uh, graduated

00:28:29.200 from high school only worked at a golf course.

00:28:33.380 And then dad ends up hiring him to build reads for us.

00:28:36.160 You know, he's retired.

00:28:37.880 Life's over, you know, size, you know, he's 63 years old.

00:28:41.700 I think when the show started and then this guy, and then I, the first thing I wanted to

00:28:46.540 do, you're talking about how smart I was at business.

00:28:48.260 The first thing I wanted to do was fire sigh.

00:28:50.580 So I come in, I'm the new CEO.

00:28:52.020 I'm looking at our, here's our, uh, payroll expense.

00:28:55.600 We have four employees.

00:28:56.720 One of them lays on the couch every day, sleeps, farts, belches.

00:29:02.440 And I'm like, dad, we need to let your brother go.

00:29:06.000 You know, we just need to trim it up.

00:29:07.640 Right.

00:29:07.820 And he wouldn't let me fire him.

00:29:09.360 And I was like, my wife won't let me, won't let me fire my son either.

00:29:13.940 And he does the same thing.

00:29:15.840 Well, so here's the, so dad said, no.

00:29:18.720 So then Doug dynasty comes along.

00:29:21.220 Sigh is gold.

00:29:22.720 I mean, just TV gold.

00:29:24.880 Yeah.

00:29:25.280 And I'm thinking, I almost fired him.

00:29:28.340 And so here's the lesson for that.

00:29:30.100 Sometimes you may have a diamond in your company.

00:29:32.820 You've got them in the wrong spot.

00:29:34.640 Yeah.

00:29:34.720 You got them.

00:29:35.040 So Sigh, when he came there, but when we filmed, man, when we filmed that show, and

00:29:39.200 these are long days, you know, cause I mean, it was long.

00:29:42.920 This, this stuff took a long, cause it was more like a TV show, like, like a long TV

00:29:46.180 show.

00:29:47.080 But like most of the stuff Sigh would say about me, like being fat and all that.

00:29:51.920 But most of it was my, like, I would tell him, I'd go like, Sigh, say, and I would

00:29:56.500 just come up with these zingers.

00:29:57.660 Right.

00:29:58.120 And, and then the hardest part was just not to laugh at him the whole time.

00:30:01.060 Cause it was so funny, you know, like we were filming this part.

00:30:04.380 We were in Nashville filming this thing.

00:30:06.060 We were at the studio and Sigh was, uh, he's going to sing this song.

00:30:09.460 And so, so I got with him in the brass and Sigh.

00:30:11.860 When you, when you start singing the song, just start talking, like talk to one of your

00:30:16.720 poker hands and act like that's a song, you know?

00:30:19.360 And Sigh was like, all right.

00:30:20.840 So we go there, Sigh goes, so I was, we were playing poker in a Delta card and I'm looking

00:30:28.700 at a, hey, Jack, and then, so I'm sitting there, so I'm straight facing this thing.

00:30:34.220 I'm going, Sigh, you're just talking about a, you're talking about a hand.

00:30:37.800 You're not even singing a song.

00:30:39.040 He goes, no, hey, Jack, I'm singing a song.

00:30:40.860 And so the hardest part was to keep it straight while he, and let him just do his thing.

00:30:45.380 And he could, he was brilliant, man.

00:30:47.580 The way he could do that with a full-time army guy who worked at, you know, and who

00:30:54.360 would have known he was going to have this new lease on life and just, he was awesome.

00:30:58.900 It was, it was unbelievable.

00:31:00.020 But you just had such a combination of like Phil being this, like, like, I think that's

00:31:04.120 what people saw themselves.

00:31:05.380 Like, they weren't like us, but it was like, ah, see, that's, that's like my dad, you know?

00:31:10.020 That's like my grandpa, you know?

00:31:11.640 He is just the same way, like, says stuff that's, you know, sometimes totally inappropriate.

00:31:16.900 I'm like, oh.

00:31:17.940 I just hit 60 and I decided, I'm going to say whatever.

00:31:22.060 You're getting there, right?

00:31:23.160 Yeah.

00:31:23.260 You're getting there.

00:31:24.100 That's the way Phil is.

00:31:25.180 It's like, well, can you get your dad to not say that?

00:31:27.340 I'm like, no, that's pretty much the package.

00:31:29.920 Whatever you love about him, he's going to say something.

00:31:32.500 Like, no matter what, like, and here's the deal, I can't understand this about Phil.

00:31:38.120 Phil lives at the end of a dead end street, in the, I mean, street, road.

00:31:43.620 It used to be, it was dirt up until like, until Duck Diocese happened.

00:31:47.440 I think they finally paved the road.

00:31:49.560 He's down there.

00:31:50.280 He has no cell phone.

00:31:51.400 He's never owned a cell phone.

00:31:52.980 Good for him.

00:31:53.620 He has no computer.

00:31:55.620 Wow.

00:31:56.320 He has a landline that I think they just got back because it got destroyed by something.

00:32:00.800 So he didn't have a landline.

00:32:02.660 And for some reason, Phil can get his message out all over the world.

00:32:08.840 And I'm like, how does, like, I'll hear about somebody like, how does Phil Robertson keep

00:32:12.860 getting these messages out?

00:32:14.300 He has no cell phone, computer, and lives on dead in the street.

00:32:17.000 And next thing I know, I'm reading something in the, you know, online, I'm going, oh boy,

00:32:21.580 what'd Phil say now?

00:32:22.540 Yeah.

00:32:23.280 Yeah.

00:32:23.560 I just, you never know what's going to, but it's, you know, I think he's, he's earned it

00:32:29.080 and that's, he says what he is and he's, but he's authentic, you know, whether you agree

00:32:33.100 with him or not.

00:32:33.380 He reminds me a little bit of Billy Graham and the way I became friends with Billy Graham

00:32:38.200 the last five years of his life.

00:32:39.980 And what a great guy.

00:32:41.840 And, and he told me, uh, you know, he, we were talking about him being on Carson and

00:32:49.440 everything else.

00:32:49.980 And he said, it made them all uncomfortable.

00:32:52.920 But the first thing I talked about was Jesus Christ.

00:32:55.460 He said, cause maybe that may be the only question I get.

00:32:59.340 So no matter what they ask, it's about Jesus Christ.

00:33:02.620 Yeah.

00:33:03.060 Interesting.

00:33:03.780 Yeah.

00:33:04.180 Yeah.

00:33:04.360 I got to meet him as well.

00:33:05.680 Uh, right before he passed.

00:33:06.820 It was amazing.

00:33:07.540 You know, such a, so honored.

00:33:09.360 In fact, when I met him and, uh, his daughter had set it up and so they're right there in

00:33:13.620 his little house, you know, North Carolina.

00:33:15.900 And she says, daddy, uh, this guy's from duck dynasty.

00:33:20.640 Uh, he came all the way from Louisiana to see you.

00:33:24.520 And Billy Graham looks up, he goes, came to see me.

00:33:28.000 Why would you see me?

00:33:29.080 I'm a nobody.

00:33:29.840 And I thought, wow, that's the right attitude.

00:33:33.140 Yeah.

00:33:33.360 That's the right attitude.

00:33:34.120 He was really, he was the real deal.

00:33:36.640 Yeah.

00:33:37.000 He was absolutely the real deal.

00:33:39.260 Fascinating what he did.

00:33:40.360 And so, um, but he, and he even said like, it's like, it's going to change.

00:33:45.100 I think the way to get the message of Jesus out would change.

00:33:47.780 He even talked about the workplace.

00:33:48.840 And so, yeah, I think we all play our parts on getting this out.

00:33:52.500 But Doug Nasty was a way, which is what I told Phil.

00:33:55.700 So it's a way to get the gospel out and you don't have to read Bible scriptures.

00:33:59.660 You can do it in a fun way, bring people to the table, but even just giving people, um,

00:34:05.200 just a form of entertainment, you know, cause people just that you can laugh at, you can

00:34:09.360 watch together.

00:34:09.980 You don't have to worry about it.

00:34:11.380 Um, it's really, it's really funny.

00:34:13.980 I spoke the other night at us recently at a place and they had a house for me and someone's

00:34:19.600 house.

00:34:19.840 They'd let me stay in.

00:34:20.640 And there's a, there's a duck dynasty channel where you can just watch it all the time.

00:34:25.260 And they had that on when I got there and they thought it was so funny, you know?

00:34:29.180 So I walk in there and I'm at this house and I can hear my, I walk in, I hear myself talking

00:34:32.940 and I'm like, what in the world?

00:34:34.180 And so I sit there and I'm speaking like the next morning and it's probably 11 o'clock

00:34:38.940 at night.

00:34:39.480 I got sucked into the duck dynasty vortex.

00:34:42.280 I'm like five episodes.

00:34:44.240 I'm like, I've got to go to bed.

00:34:45.900 And I got up at the speech and I said, guys, let me tell you what I sat up and watched

00:34:50.860 that duck dynasty for five episodes.

00:34:52.700 Everybody's laughing.

00:34:53.400 And then I said, you know what I learned about that show?

00:34:56.200 It's a really good show.

00:34:57.320 It's a funny show.

00:34:58.440 I haven't watched it in so long, but it was, it was funny and just, you know, man, I've

00:35:02.020 talked to more people who were just like, my mom passed away.

00:35:06.200 We watched that together.

00:35:08.260 I mean, I hear it almost every week.

00:35:10.140 It's like, I hear that too.

00:35:11.820 My dad was a big fan and we would watch it together and he's passed away.

00:35:15.880 And it's, I mean, it's like, he was in the hospital and we would, he wanted to watch

00:35:20.120 that duck dynasty.

00:35:21.140 I get, cause I get flagged whenever the, the name pops up and so interesting.

00:35:26.200 I get a lot of obituaries like, like that's in some paper, like in Richmond, Virginia.

00:35:30.640 And they'll say, you know, uh, uh, Betsy Connor, she, uh, loved her need to work watching

00:35:38.620 duck dynasty.

00:35:39.400 Like it showed up in the obituaries.

00:35:41.180 So, uh, pretty, pretty, pretty cool stuff.

00:35:43.940 Have you tried to see a doctor lately?

00:35:47.400 And I don't mean for serious issues.

00:35:49.380 I mean, at all, there was a time when my grandparents told me when the doctor came to the house, that's

00:35:57.960 not done anymore.

00:35:59.780 And, uh, it's just more and more difficult to get in.

00:36:03.380 You have to drive there, then wait around until the doctor is free to see you maybe five,

00:36:08.460 10 minutes, maybe more.

00:36:10.560 And that's not pleasant when you're, when you're, you know, not feeling sick.

00:36:16.260 May I suggest you consider the Jace case.

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00:36:27.700 common and deadly bacterial infections.

00:36:30.520 Just this weekend, uh, I started feeling badly, poorly.

00:36:36.580 I called the doctor.

00:36:38.060 Uh, he, I told him my symptoms and he said, you know, the right prescription.

00:36:43.820 I said, I got it with a Jace case.

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00:37:09.560 So Godspeller, you, uh, this book is in a way kind of anti-Phil because Phil will go scriptures,

00:37:24.160 full on scriptures.

00:37:25.560 And this is live it, share it, bring it into the culture.

00:37:34.200 This is kind of like, well, it's like the anti it's the, I hate to say this, but you

00:37:40.000 know, the, like the, um, what's his name?

00:37:43.420 Kendi that, you know, you have to be anti-racist.

00:37:48.160 You can't just not be racist.

00:37:50.300 You have to be anti-racist and all of that woke crap.

00:37:54.260 And this feels like the antidote.

00:37:57.040 Hmm.

00:37:57.740 Wow.

00:37:58.980 It's, you didn't feel that way.

00:38:00.600 You still know that.

00:38:01.280 Well, maybe that's the secret.

00:38:03.880 Maybe that's, it's, you know, maybe that's the becoming all things to all men to try

00:38:07.960 to snatch some from the fire.

00:38:09.440 It's, uh, it was just like, I still think the scriptures are there.

00:38:13.660 Well, I tell you this, I actually printed out for Phil for it, even came in book form

00:38:17.500 because I wanted him to read it and Phil read it.

00:38:19.620 And I didn't know what he was going to say.

00:38:21.340 Phil said, that's the best explanation of how to share the gospel I've ever read in my

00:38:24.880 life.

00:38:25.300 And I was like, wow.

00:38:26.120 And this is so knowing Phil, this is so funny to me.

00:38:28.460 He goes, and you were so nice about it, which is, which I knew that's what he struggles

00:38:34.840 to.

00:38:35.160 Cause he'll get into that.

00:38:36.260 Like, yeah.

00:38:36.740 And I was like, we don't have to, you know, you don't have to necessarily, uh, do that.

00:38:42.760 And so, um, yeah, I think certain people, they have a hard time talking about it.

00:38:49.560 And so I taught this class on it and it was right after COVID.

00:38:52.400 But it wasn't PE.

00:38:53.580 No, it wasn't PE.

00:38:54.320 No, it was about, I was actually teaching people how to share their faith and cause COVID

00:38:58.100 had happened.

00:38:58.680 And so we weren't, I wasn't speaking.

00:39:00.360 And, um, uh, these guys at church asked me about sharing your faith and they said, can

00:39:05.460 you teach a class?

00:39:06.140 I said, yeah, I'll teach one.

00:39:07.280 So I started gathering other stuff where I was talking to people like, what holds you back?

00:39:10.960 You know, and it was, it was almost the same answers.

00:39:13.040 It was like, I don't know the Bible well enough.

00:39:16.120 Um, I don't know where to start.

00:39:18.980 And they had the desire.

00:39:20.400 They were just like, and no one's ever taught me how to do it.

00:39:23.220 Like, how do you do this?

00:39:24.380 I thought we were supposed to keep it to ourselves.

00:39:26.260 We do this, a lot of stuff, uh, to disqualify ourselves from even talking about it, you know?

00:39:32.040 And what a beautiful, and I don't want to feel like the weirdo that's, yeah, you don't

00:39:36.660 want to be weird.

00:39:37.960 And that's what I was like, mate, you know?

00:39:39.640 I mean, I may be the weirdo and, and, but, and a lot of people are like, when they come

00:39:45.900 to the Lord, no one ever tells them that that's part of the deal.

00:39:49.740 Like, Hey, you need to go share this.

00:39:51.540 So if you think about in the Bible, like when, when, when Jesus calls Peter, he just says,

00:39:56.520 follow me and I'll make you fishers of men, you know?

00:39:59.720 And he follows him.

00:40:01.140 So he obviously knew that was going to be part of the deal.

00:40:03.380 And so what I wanted to try to, as I was writing was like, how can I break down these things

00:40:07.780 and make the argument?

00:40:08.920 One, should we do this?

00:40:10.980 And so, uh, from the great commission.

00:40:14.420 So like Jesus was living his life.

00:40:17.320 Once he died, he came back from the dead.

00:40:19.980 I was really interested.

00:40:21.100 What happened then?

00:40:22.300 What happens?

00:40:23.100 What were they talking about?

00:40:24.000 Then Jesus was here for a little while and he says in the great commission, go make disciples

00:40:30.740 of all nations, baptize people, teach people three things, which is a mission.

00:40:35.960 That's a mission.

00:40:37.020 Well, a lot of people I knew they're nowhere near those three things.

00:40:40.300 They're not doing any of those.

00:40:42.980 So the question is, was that just for them or is that for us today?

00:40:47.860 Well, then I was like, well, then I think we think like the people in the Bible, like those

00:40:52.320 fishermen, those people he was talking to were like some kind of super duper.

00:40:55.760 We think them as like religious, like the highest you can get.

00:40:59.580 When I chapter four, those two of those same guys was talking and said, their peers, here's

00:41:04.140 how they saw them as regular unschooled, ordinary men.

00:41:07.320 So they didn't, uh, more of a non-certified to teach.

00:41:11.420 That's the way they saw them.

00:41:12.660 Right.

00:41:13.040 Right.

00:41:13.220 It wasn't like they were like some, you know, uh, knew all this.

00:41:17.320 So, and he's telling these guys and he goes, this is the mission.

00:41:20.820 And then we see them start living that out.

00:41:22.920 So all of it, especially in the book of Acts, I wanted to see what these conversations are

00:41:28.480 like.

00:41:28.760 Cause we really don't have that.

00:41:30.020 We have conversations with Jesus and the gospels.

00:41:32.740 We have the book of Acts.

00:41:34.000 Then we have letters.

00:41:34.880 So these are letters to churches with problems.

00:41:36.700 And so we can gather, but I want to see that.

00:41:38.660 Like, what's that like conversation look like?

00:41:41.220 And, and Acts chapter two is one of the first ones you get that.

00:41:43.880 And then they just start going through and I want to know, what did they say to people?

00:41:48.560 What was the reaction?

00:41:49.960 What, what were the questions they ask?

00:41:51.600 And so, and then when to put that into a modern day and say, okay, what would this look like

00:41:56.640 to have these conversations?

00:41:57.920 And what would it, what do you ask people?

00:42:00.200 Where do you start?

00:42:01.040 Where do you start?

00:42:02.040 Where would you start with someone?

00:42:03.460 Um, John chapter four is a great one.

00:42:05.180 Jesus talking to a woman at a well, she's from a different area.

00:42:08.140 He probably shouldn't be talking to her.

00:42:09.440 I know that because when this dude showed up and they were like, what are you doing talking

00:42:12.820 to her?

00:42:13.040 You know, but just by talking to her, he showed that he cared about her.

00:42:16.620 The big question he asked her is like, well, how do I start this thing?

00:42:19.960 Jesus said, can I get a drink of water?

00:42:22.440 That's where it started.

00:42:23.420 Yeah.

00:42:23.720 So that's where it can start.

00:42:24.720 It ended with the whole village, her whole village, knowing Jesus, they all came down

00:42:29.460 because she went and said, y'all got to go meet this guy, man.

00:42:32.420 He, he got her story, which is usually how I do it.

00:42:35.700 I just ask people their story.

00:42:37.340 Most people love telling you their story, you know?

00:42:39.580 So I'm like, Hey, you got a relationship with Jesus or wherever that we're just art,

00:42:44.300 you know?

00:42:44.840 Well, seven years old.

00:42:46.300 Wow.

00:42:46.740 How's it been since then?

00:42:48.380 And then we started going through the story.

00:42:51.080 He goes through her story.

00:42:52.740 Hey, go get your husband.

00:42:53.680 I don't have a husband, but he pushed in.

00:42:57.040 He pushed in and said, Oh, is that true?

00:43:00.040 And I was, I asked myself, why did he push in?

00:43:02.240 Why would he want to know more?

00:43:03.420 Cause it's kind of embarrassing.

00:43:04.860 Cause I think Jesus knew if you don't deal with this story, you're never going to understand.

00:43:08.760 And you're never going to get past it.

00:43:10.620 And so for a lot of us, we have to get past this thing of where we're at.

00:43:13.920 That'll hold us back from telling someone else because we're like, Oh, I'm so screwed up.

00:43:17.580 I'm the last person to be talking to anybody else.

00:43:19.800 And that's why even in this book, I wanted to tell, Hey, this is my story.

00:43:23.360 This is where it's at.

00:43:24.400 This is what can happen.

00:43:26.240 I really want to connect you to the Bible.

00:43:29.560 I don't want to just tell you my opinion.

00:43:31.500 I just want to connect you to that.

00:43:33.300 Like you can read it.

00:43:34.520 You can decide if I never see you again, you've got the new Testament.

00:43:37.760 You maybe know some start and pass and go, I'm not the judge.

00:43:41.560 I don't know who you are.

00:43:42.640 I don't know if you're going to heaven.

00:43:43.880 I have no idea.

00:43:44.680 That's you.

00:43:45.380 Even if I do know you, God, I will tell you that I will show you some scriptures though

00:43:49.160 that say, yeah, this is where they started.

00:43:51.040 Right.

00:43:51.320 This is what they said.

00:43:52.420 Right.

00:43:52.800 Peter said in Acts two, he says, repent and be baptized.

00:43:56.020 I can explain those two terms to you.

00:43:58.160 I can explain what he meant, you know, um, not from other sections of the Bible.

00:44:03.920 Cause a lot of people, I feel like they, you know, raise a hand somewhere and they're

00:44:07.700 like, Hey, I'm in, you know, but they don't know.

00:44:09.900 They walk out of the building.

00:44:11.120 They're like, what just happened?

00:44:12.080 I don't know.

00:44:12.560 I know.

00:44:13.040 I know.

00:44:13.520 And then, and then we're, you know, and they don't know their mission.

00:44:15.920 They think the mission is, you know how many people run to, they think the mission in

00:44:19.020 life as a believer is to try to go to church as much as they can and try to be a good

00:44:24.140 person.

00:44:25.660 That's not the mission.

00:44:26.620 That's not like, that was never, I never read that.

00:44:29.360 I never read.

00:44:30.360 They don't even talk about going to church.

00:44:31.820 Well, I don't even know what going to church means anyway.

00:44:34.080 Like it's a, we are the church.

00:44:35.880 Yeah.

00:44:36.180 Church is not a building.

00:44:37.060 Well, where are we going?

00:44:37.520 Cause if I feel like I'm going, then I'll leave it.

00:44:39.280 Right.

00:44:39.480 And then I'm, well, then I may act one way there and I may act a different way.

00:44:42.680 I don't even like the terminology.

00:44:44.800 I always think of churches.

00:44:48.780 In my mind, it's a, it's like a hospital or a clinic that I have to go to once a week

00:44:54.040 cause I'm just beaten down by the world and it recharges me.

00:44:58.060 Yeah.

00:44:58.420 And I go, it's just a, yeah.

00:45:01.580 Well, it's like a fellowship, right?

00:45:02.940 It's just like where you get, but it's not the end.

00:45:05.360 It's just one.

00:45:06.820 It's usually like an hour.

00:45:07.880 It's supposed to charge you for the.

00:45:09.040 It can, it can charge.

00:45:10.280 It can be, yeah, there's a lot of, but the church moves around.

00:45:14.100 The church is happening everywhere, you know, all over the globe.

00:45:17.500 Yeah.

00:45:17.800 The church has moved.

00:45:18.640 The church has happened on Tuesdays and Wednesdays and Fridays.

00:45:21.120 This book is for people.

00:45:22.400 This book is actually not necessarily for Sunday morning.

00:45:24.680 And this book is for like, yeah, Saturday morning in the deer stand for Friday night

00:45:30.060 at the football game for a Thursday morning at work.

00:45:33.300 Right.

00:45:33.500 And, you know, when your friend comes in, they're bawling, crying, they're going, oh, what's

00:45:36.960 the problem?

00:45:37.540 Oh, I've got, you know, my uncles just got hit by a car.

00:45:40.980 And now you may want to know some answers to, to have, to share with them.

00:45:46.260 You know, Bible says always be prepared to give an answer for the hope that you have.

00:45:50.080 Always be prepared, you know?

00:45:51.500 So there's a certain amount of preparation that we make, uh, to be able to talk to people

00:45:55.680 because if I don't know, if I don't know a lot about something, I'm not going to talk

00:45:59.120 about it.

00:45:59.400 You know, if you start talking about mountain biking, I'm like, I don't know what you, I

00:46:02.680 have no idea.

00:46:03.320 I can't even talk about that or, uh, but I, when I get into people's stories in their lives,

00:46:09.240 I start becoming, I think we, we, you know, we're ambassadors for Jesus, right?

00:46:14.200 We're ambassadors.

00:46:15.140 So we're representing him.

00:46:16.680 We're, we're on this earth.

00:46:18.000 So then we could become maybe like the, the counselor, you know?

00:46:21.720 So sometimes when I'm talking to people, I feel like a counselor, you know, I'm trying

00:46:25.020 to walk them through, you know, uh, sometimes maybe like a great physician, like you're like

00:46:29.460 a physician where you're like, okay, let's talk about, I mean, at the end of the day,

00:46:33.180 the physician just goes, I know a lot about this, but here's a diagnosis.

00:46:38.400 Here's what we're going to try to do.

00:46:40.460 You want to do it or not?

00:46:41.740 Yep.

00:46:42.540 You know, I can give you the medical terms.

00:46:44.600 Now, one year after that, you'll know more about that, whatever, you know, you'll know

00:46:49.200 more about it than anybody because that's what you got.

00:46:52.020 And you're going to read other people's stories.

00:46:53.820 You're going to watch videos.

00:46:54.900 You're going to, you know, I feel like that's kind of like Christianity at the beginning.

00:46:57.920 You may not know a lot, but you're like, I know what I've been doing ain't working.

00:47:02.240 And so we're going to try something different, which is where Phil was.

00:47:05.880 And that's where I started the book, which is Phil's story.

00:47:08.280 And what I was so blown away by Phil's, like, it really hit me, Glenn, even in making the

00:47:12.820 movie and watching the movie that was, it was even hard to watch, really hard to keep

00:47:17.280 less than rated R because his life was not, you know, his life was like that.

00:47:22.480 But I thought.

00:47:22.920 Wait, can we stop on?

00:47:23.800 I mean, it was hard to watch it because I, I asked you that before, is it, were you reliving

00:47:33.940 it?

00:47:34.700 Was it, I mean, I can't imagine Phil watching it.

00:47:38.780 I think it was hard for him, really hard for him.

00:47:41.060 I bet it was.

00:47:41.860 We watched it, we watched it together.

00:47:44.360 And then, you know, the movies got, they're like, hey, we've got another one set up.

00:47:48.080 And Phil said, I've seen it.

00:47:49.680 I'm good.

00:47:51.000 One's enough.

00:47:52.080 Yeah.

00:47:52.700 Because it's so against everything in life.

00:47:57.360 Like, think about Christianity.

00:47:59.260 Your past is behind you.

00:48:01.300 We're looking for it.

00:48:02.060 But I even think, not even Christianity, in general life, like, we can't dwell on the

00:48:07.100 past.

00:48:07.440 You gotta move forward.

00:48:08.380 Yeah, it's gone.

00:48:08.780 Like, you know, I think that's a great thing, unless they make a movie about it, where we

00:48:13.140 just live in it.

00:48:14.080 Right.

00:48:14.660 We just live there now in the worst part of your life.

00:48:17.320 We're gonna make a whole movie that looks really realistic, and you just gotta remember

00:48:21.500 that.

00:48:21.880 So, man, you're ripping off scars there that were just rough.

00:48:26.520 So, it was hard for him.

00:48:28.100 But again, he said, if it helps people see, then I'm willing to, y'all can put it up on

00:48:34.200 the...

00:48:35.000 I think...

00:48:35.700 But that's gotta be hard.

00:48:36.540 He was so embarrassed.

00:48:37.340 He was like...

00:48:38.080 Because the person he was so mean to was my mom, you know?

00:48:41.880 And us, and like, it was just like, yeah, so it was just, it was hard to...

00:48:46.920 Yeah, I cried every time I watched it, and, you know, at different parts, too, it was like,

00:48:51.320 it was weird.

00:48:51.700 By the end, I was crying at like, when he came up with the duck call, you know, I was

00:48:54.880 like...

00:48:55.640 Because I thought, wow, that was such a...

00:48:57.300 You know, had that not happened?

00:48:59.740 So, just very hard.

00:49:01.220 And then, and then to my other point, I was saying, it was like, what if that hadn't

00:49:04.940 happened?

00:49:06.060 What if Phil doesn't come to the Lord?

00:49:08.360 Right.

00:49:09.360 My whole life is completely different.

00:49:11.020 Yeah.

00:49:11.740 We're not talking.

00:49:13.060 Right.

00:49:13.520 I'm not here.

00:49:14.300 Right.

00:49:14.920 I don't...

00:49:15.280 There's no duck commander.

00:49:16.300 There's no duck dynasty.

00:49:17.260 There's no TV show.

00:49:18.080 There's no, you know...

00:49:18.840 Do you think you would have found the Lord without his redemption, the way you have?

00:49:26.520 Well, I guess I would say this, it would be impossible for me to know, but I would say

00:49:30.140 probably not, because I felt like a lot of people, let's say most people don't.

00:49:37.020 Right.

00:49:37.380 So, just by the numbers, you know, because how many people coming out of broken homes,

00:49:44.560 coming out of trauma and all this stuff, dad was going to go to jail, I mean, for sure.

00:49:51.820 He was wanted by the law.

00:49:53.840 I mean, what the numbers are, people that come out of there who have great success in

00:49:58.100 Christian life.

00:49:59.780 Slim, right?

00:50:00.580 I mean, probably not.

00:50:01.320 So, I would probably say no.

00:50:03.020 I always wrestle with, you know, there's no waste with God.

00:50:09.020 You know, you're in his carpenter shop.

00:50:12.080 There's no sawdust on the floor.

00:50:14.000 He uses all of it.

00:50:15.660 Yeah.

00:50:16.340 All the wrong cuts.

00:50:18.760 He is like, oh, no, no, that works.

00:50:20.680 And it's more beautiful.

00:50:22.140 Yeah.

00:50:22.620 And, and I don't know if my relationship with him would be as deep as it is if I hadn't

00:50:35.060 so desperately needed him.

00:50:36.860 You know what I mean?

00:50:38.060 Right.

00:50:38.200 And it wasn't like, hey, please, you know, heal or please, it was, I was done.

00:50:43.800 Right.

00:50:44.000 I was done as a human being.

00:50:45.560 Right.

00:50:46.040 And when you're truly broken, I kind of feel bad for people who haven't been truly, truly

00:50:54.260 broken because I just have this different understanding of, it's gone.

00:51:02.720 Right.

00:51:04.040 But you can.

00:51:04.560 I'm not that anymore.

00:51:06.220 But you can still have that.

00:51:08.480 Like, that's so interesting you say that because I always thought like what feels like

00:51:12.340 my story is not as cool as Phil's, you know, like, like, right, right, right.

00:51:16.040 He took it to the end and then he's like, well, this almost is over.

00:51:19.200 But you have changed because you witnessed it.

00:51:22.720 That's what I was saying.

00:51:23.520 You don't have to be as broken.

00:51:26.240 Right.

00:51:26.380 Because I think we're like, ah, but because you may not come back.

00:51:30.580 Right.

00:51:31.300 You may not find it in your brokenness.

00:51:33.620 You feel could have ended up dead for sure.

00:51:36.220 Right.

00:51:36.580 Killed in jail.

00:51:38.200 Like, you know, if if mom doesn't forgive him, Phil could have said, OK, I'm ready.

00:51:44.100 And mom said, no, middle fingers him going.

00:51:47.260 I'm out.

00:51:48.020 Like, I'm sick of the way.

00:51:49.340 And so, man, it was so crucial.

00:51:51.900 Like, the movie was just as much mom story.

00:51:54.780 Like, oh, yeah.

00:51:55.640 How she forgave and stuck with this guy saw some vision of something in the future.

00:52:00.580 But I think you can.

00:52:02.700 I don't know.

00:52:03.300 I think about, you know, probably the workers and the wages.

00:52:06.480 You know, I think when you were saying that was like.

00:52:07.980 Like, you don't have to, you know, but there may be something in your life where you find

00:52:13.360 it may be something else that you pull from where you're saying the brokenness, but it's

00:52:18.000 either pull from appreciation or pull from something else that just because you can have

00:52:23.140 a great relationship without screwing up your whole life.

00:52:26.160 No, I know.

00:52:26.740 And I know a lot of people who are like that.

00:52:28.340 Yeah.

00:52:28.900 I mean, it's like, you know, hey, my wife and I, we, you know, we both had affairs on

00:52:33.620 each other.

00:52:33.960 Now we're just close.

00:52:34.860 You don't have to do that.

00:52:36.380 Yeah.

00:52:36.640 Yeah.

00:52:37.160 Yeah.

00:52:37.400 I know.

00:52:38.740 I know.

00:52:39.700 I struggled with this with my kids because, you know, I wanted them to know my story,

00:52:44.100 but I'm like, but don't do that.

00:52:46.200 Yeah.

00:52:46.380 Right.

00:52:46.840 It's not.

00:52:47.800 Find God.

00:52:48.900 Yeah.

00:52:49.160 Don't.

00:52:49.520 Yeah.

00:52:49.740 Don't do the things that.

00:52:51.400 Yeah.

00:52:51.600 And so.

00:52:52.020 So when I think of, and again, this goes back to the book, I think Mars Hill is, at least

00:53:05.440 it was for me, so impactful.

00:53:07.700 If you understand, he didn't come to Mars Hill and say, as it's written, you know, you're

00:53:17.360 too religious.

00:53:18.120 He, he came and said, you're so religious.

00:53:22.040 You're so, he, he, he said, I know your poetry.

00:53:26.100 I know he got to know them and love them in their own way before he started talking.

00:53:36.960 He found the way in, but it wasn't scheming.

00:53:40.740 And sometimes I think people don't share the gospel or maybe more likely, at least I've

00:53:48.780 seen.

00:53:50.320 They share the gospel and it's like, I want to help him get redeemed and I want him to

00:53:56.380 get baptized.

00:53:56.920 And if he's not going to, I'm not really his friend.

00:54:00.480 You know what I mean?

00:54:01.240 Yeah.

00:54:01.760 Have you.

00:54:02.420 Oh yeah.

00:54:03.300 Yeah.

00:54:03.780 Probably been guilty of it.

00:54:04.920 Right.

00:54:05.220 And it's in my past, you know, I've probably been guilty of that where it's like, cause

00:54:08.540 I'm so like, cause I want to tell that story and I want to tell that story.

00:54:12.220 And I want to say like, Oh, this person here.

00:54:14.040 And like, sometimes there's people I work with all the time.

00:54:16.640 And I'm just like, ah, sometimes these, these conversations are 20 minutes.

00:54:20.160 Sometimes they're two days.

00:54:22.240 Sometimes they're two hours.

00:54:23.320 Sometimes they're 20 years.

00:54:25.860 There's people I've been sharing with that long.

00:54:27.580 I'm still here.

00:54:28.560 I'm still here.

00:54:29.600 I'm still texting.

00:54:31.060 I'm still talking.

00:54:31.920 I'm still being kind and friendly to people.

00:54:34.040 And I'm still coming at maybe a different way.

00:54:37.020 Like the apostle Paul said he was praying or he said, pray for me that the mystery of the

00:54:41.260 gospel can come out of my mouth more clearly.

00:54:43.100 What is he?

00:54:44.760 What is that?

00:54:46.360 Pray that the mystery.

00:54:47.400 Nobody knew the gospel better than Paul.

00:54:50.000 So how did, how is it not coming out?

00:54:53.100 Cause I think it's more like art and less like science.

00:54:56.940 So science is like Glenn, here's the deal.

00:55:00.160 But I can tell Glenn that Glenn could say, I desperately need you.

00:55:03.200 I can tell Johnny that.

00:55:04.960 And he can say the complete opposite thing.

00:55:07.780 So it's like, Hmm, there's a story in my book about Bill and Bill.

00:55:11.540 I kept, I kept, I kept talking.

00:55:14.340 I kept wanting to preach the gospel to this guy.

00:55:16.620 And he would say the same thing every day.

00:55:17.900 He'd say, Hey, he who had not sinned, cast the first time.

00:55:21.040 Every time I brought it up.

00:55:22.840 And I'm like, Hey God, man.

00:55:24.340 So I'd say, Hey Bill, you know, uh, uh, you know, you're talking about going to get

00:55:28.460 surgery.

00:55:28.900 You know, I was just going to talk to you about your relationship.

00:55:31.460 He who had not sinned every time.

00:55:34.840 And it wasn't until we were in New York city.

00:55:37.280 We just had the big meeting.

00:55:38.900 That would bring a lot of people to their knees, by the way, just being in New York.

00:55:42.240 With some business people.

00:55:43.300 We're talking about business.

00:55:44.400 We're talking about money.

00:55:45.840 And he was so excited.

00:55:47.820 We're in a car.

00:55:48.500 I finally got this guy like to himself.

00:55:50.400 And I just said, but he was smoking.

00:55:52.640 I mean, he was smoking like a murder.

00:55:54.380 He said, Bill, how old are you?

00:55:55.360 And he told me he's like 58.

00:55:56.620 And I said, I think you're going to be dead in 14 years.

00:56:00.000 You're going to be dead.

00:56:02.140 He just looks at me.

00:56:02.960 His eyes are big.

00:56:03.720 He's like, what?

00:56:05.560 I said, I don't know.

00:56:06.180 I'm just spitballing here, but I think you're going to be dead.

00:56:10.480 Why would you say that?

00:56:11.400 And I said, I don't know.

00:56:12.660 He goes, I've never thought about that.

00:56:15.160 And I said, well, you may should start thinking about it.

00:56:18.040 You know, the way you're living, the way, you know.

00:56:20.720 So he pulled up to the hotel.

00:56:22.300 We're in this nice hotel.

00:56:23.200 And he said, will you come tell me more about that?

00:56:26.620 I said, I will.

00:56:27.240 So I'll go get my Bible.

00:56:28.320 You know what he didn't say?

00:56:29.460 He who had not sinned, cast first on.

00:56:31.240 I tried a bunch of times, but finally picked another way that made him think about it.

00:56:37.400 So it could be physical death.

00:56:39.700 That could work for somebody.

00:56:41.180 Some people wouldn't.

00:56:42.520 We both know Marcus and Trell.

00:56:44.000 I remember talking to Marcus about physical death.

00:56:48.300 A whole different, never even heard, you know, imagine his take on that.

00:56:52.140 Like, you know, and so what works for some people doesn't work for others.

00:56:56.860 I could say, Glenn, you could be part of a church, a group, and you could have friends

00:57:01.300 and you could, oh, and you could say, yes, that's what I've been looking for.

00:57:04.100 Right.

00:57:04.320 And then I tell somebody else and they go, I will never step foot in there.

00:57:07.780 When I was a child, I was, hmm.

00:57:10.180 So that doesn't work.

00:57:11.180 So it's like, ah, not that way.

00:57:13.260 And these are the way these conversations, the subtitles, turning darkness into light

00:57:17.420 one conversation at a time.

00:57:19.260 So as we have these conversations, I just, you know, I think I've got the Holy Spirit

00:57:24.780 living in me.

00:57:25.420 So that's going to guide me.

00:57:27.120 It's probably what guided me to tell Bill, he's going to, I think you'll be dead in 14

00:57:30.620 years, you know?

00:57:31.780 Because that wasn't something you planned.

00:57:33.620 The way you just said it a minute ago, like I tried a different angle.

00:57:37.020 I'm just trying to get in to have a conversation.

00:57:38.920 And then if they don't want to know, like, I think you have to be authentic, but you also

00:57:43.280 have to be looking for change.

00:57:44.920 When Jesus invites himself to Zacchaeus's house, it's a bold move, right?

00:57:49.660 Now, everybody hates Zacchaeus.

00:57:50.960 They're like, we hate this guy.

00:57:51.880 And everybody's like, he's hanging out with this cat, you know?

00:57:54.960 Jesus walks in, he's looking for change.

00:57:57.300 Zacchaeus, I don't know what exactly he said to the man, but he's like, okay, new rules.

00:58:01.180 I'm giving him back.

00:58:02.480 I'm paying back money, which is repentance, right?

00:58:04.940 He's like saying, I'm going to repent.

00:58:06.240 Glenn, Jesus says, this is why I came, to seek and save what was lost, for these kind

00:58:12.340 of people.

00:58:13.100 I know.

00:58:13.240 Because I think there was such a message for everybody sitting there going, we hate this

00:58:16.500 guy.

00:58:17.300 So, Glenn, I think it starts, you have to start with caring about people.

00:58:22.220 Yes.

00:58:22.580 Because what I see in this country, more than ever, we just don't care about each other.

00:58:28.140 How many videos am I going to have to see if somebody walking down the street step over

00:58:31.560 somebody who's dying or just got mugged?

00:58:34.040 They don't care.

00:58:35.540 They don't care.

00:58:35.880 I just got back from downtown Seattle.

00:58:39.540 Ooh, there's not a lot of people caring about other people there.

00:58:42.760 You know, like it's just, and I'm standing there going, how would I, you know, ooh, what

00:58:47.400 a mess, you know?

00:58:48.380 And so we have to care about people because is it really attractive to you to get into

00:58:54.260 other people's problems too?

00:58:55.700 Especially when you're like, that's hard.

00:58:58.220 That's a, I think this book would be hard for people because it'd be like, ew.

00:59:01.040 I've read some books where I'm kind of uncomfortable because I'm like, shoot, I feel like, I feel

00:59:05.640 like I need to do that, be better at that.

00:59:07.620 And so I've read some that I'm like, ooh, man, this is a different level because a lot

00:59:11.820 of people kind of got it where they're like, well, nah, I try to go to church.

00:59:14.180 I'm, you know, I live a good life.

00:59:15.520 You know, I love Jesus and cuss a little too, you know, whatever, whatever the t-shirt

00:59:19.620 says, you don't know, you know, the way I see this country going in our world, it's just

00:59:25.400 chaos and just darkness.

00:59:27.460 And man, we got to have, you know, all the people who were out sharing their faith in

00:59:33.060 the new Testament got killed.

00:59:36.900 So I'm real careful about when I say, you know, if you do this, man, he's going to take

00:59:40.900 care of that little thing for you.

00:59:42.360 And this is, your life's going to be a little bit better unless you're in North Korea, unless

00:59:46.200 you're in China, you know, like we got to watch what we tell people.

00:59:49.640 Yeah.

00:59:49.860 I mean, yeah, yeah, this could be, uh, so I think the timing's right.

00:59:54.440 Um, but I'm just trying to figure out, you know, how the message is the same.

00:59:58.520 The methods can be different.

00:59:59.880 Yeah.

01:00:00.400 So the method of how you tell it has to be different now.

01:00:03.360 I mean, at least it can be different for different people.

01:00:05.860 Right, right, right.

01:00:06.540 But I mean, generally speaking, I think the churches had just gone.

01:00:12.360 They're just, they're just rotten.

01:00:16.260 They always, this always happens when there's, you know, a reformation and it, it's just rotted

01:00:21.080 from the inside and it's the church outside that matters.

01:00:27.060 And the church outside has to lead the way.

01:00:31.760 It can be, I mean, yeah, I mean, it can be both.

01:00:33.620 I think there's some, some church, I think they just, what happens is you get off the path

01:00:37.700 and you get into these, you know, all kinds of different things and different, you start

01:00:41.940 meeting, all your meetings are about not the things that you need to be meeting about.

01:00:45.340 No, people aren't preaching the gospel anymore.

01:00:48.000 Here's the biggest thing.

01:00:49.080 Being a gospel or it's about being outward.

01:00:51.820 Yeah.

01:00:51.920 And what I see is I think a big struggle right now, people go to church, everybody's looking

01:00:57.220 inward.

01:00:58.380 Tell me something to help myself so I can, it's like a self-help thing.

01:01:01.640 So do you remember, you remember just a minute ago you said somebody will say something and

01:01:05.380 you're like, oh geez, I just told you about church being a hospital for me.

01:01:10.740 Like, I'm having one of those moments like, ooh.

01:01:17.240 Well, that's why, well, I'm trying to like, I go to a hospital, but I don't go to one every

01:01:25.780 week.

01:01:26.860 Yeah.

01:01:27.220 I don't even want to go to one every week, you know.

01:01:28.700 I know.

01:01:29.240 I just feel so beaten down by the world at times that you just, like, I just want to

01:01:34.140 go and just, nothing is sacred in the world.

01:01:38.360 Nothing is, nothing is above man in the world.

01:01:42.960 You know, it's until, you know, maybe because where you live, but like, you don't see all

01:01:49.460 the stars and everything here in Dallas.

01:01:52.000 You certainly don't see it in New York City.

01:01:54.100 And I go to my ranch and I see, it's completely dark and you can see the stars everywhere.

01:02:00.140 And it just, it's like the campfires.

01:02:03.740 We don't have campfires anymore where you can sit around, look up and go.

01:02:07.480 So, why am I here?

01:02:09.500 What is all of this?

01:02:11.380 But, but, but, okay.

01:02:12.720 You need the chapter called Hope Yeller.

01:02:15.380 I know that there's a bunch of bad.

01:02:17.580 I feel like, here's what, here's the problem with Christians to me.

01:02:20.020 We're all just screaming about how bad everything is.

01:02:22.580 Where's the good?

01:02:24.280 We're supposed to be teaching people good news.

01:02:26.980 Where's the hope?

01:02:27.760 Where's the, and so I feel like, like.

01:02:30.460 This is the second time now I'm going.

01:02:31.920 So we're just, so what it is you're looking at, because if you say, you can't see the

01:02:35.940 stars in Dallas, but there's somebody in, probably in some part of California or New

01:02:41.140 Jersey going, Dallas is like heaven.

01:02:43.980 You know what I'm saying?

01:02:44.300 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:02:44.640 No, I know.

01:02:45.080 You know what I'm saying?

01:02:45.380 Where it's like, you know.

01:02:46.060 And yeah, Idaho is like, but here's the thing, here's the thing.

01:02:51.060 If those are the worldly parts, can you imagine somebody in Yemen, like some believer that's

01:02:58.600 like, you know, and so a lot of this will pay off in the beyond.

01:03:04.800 This thing, this thing we're in lasts like that.

01:03:07.800 I know.

01:03:08.280 I mean, we're getting older.

01:03:10.180 I mean, it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa.

01:03:12.320 I'm trying to pump the brakes on this thing.

01:03:14.420 It's life is so fast while we're here on this earth.

01:03:17.900 Like we're only here for just a little more time and then we're going to be able to do

01:03:20.820 all kinds of things.

01:03:21.860 That's what we live for.

01:03:23.840 That's why it's a desperate measure to get the good news out while we're still here on

01:03:28.860 this earth.

01:03:30.160 Because if we're just running around on earth trying to get the net, you know, I'm just

01:03:33.500 trying to stay, you know, once you go on mission, man, once you turn around, we mentioned

01:03:37.420 Billy Graham.

01:03:38.000 Think about that mission.

01:03:39.220 Look at what, you know, look at him.

01:03:41.580 And he was like, there's, there's millions of people all over this planet that would

01:03:45.780 not know the gospel had it not been for that dude.

01:03:48.180 I know.

01:03:49.020 Just saying, let's go.

01:03:50.800 And so one of the last things.

01:03:52.200 So we got to get a hope.

01:03:53.220 We got to get a hope and positivity and good, not just the bad.

01:03:57.320 I get it.

01:03:58.020 Like this world, this whole world is going to hell in a handbasket.

01:04:00.720 Okay.

01:04:01.000 What are we going to do about it?

01:04:02.280 Right.

01:04:02.480 What are we going to say about it?

01:04:04.240 What did Jesus do about that?

01:04:05.760 You know, it's not, you know, have you found though that when you say that to people, because

01:04:11.300 I've, I've been saying for the last maybe two years now, we've passed all the exits.

01:04:19.000 We've passed all the, all the rational exits politically and socially and everything else.

01:04:25.240 We're now, we're almost at the gates of hell.

01:04:28.780 And the only thing that will save us now is Christ.

01:04:34.060 That's it.

01:04:35.100 Us returning to God, asking, recognizing what we've done and truly changing our life and

01:04:44.160 try.

01:04:44.620 And it has happened before to societies.

01:04:47.460 It just, well, it may have to get bad before it gets good.

01:04:51.520 You know, people's lives are going to look like that.

01:04:55.160 May have to get bad before it gets, you know, before it can get better.

01:04:58.780 It may have to get way worse.

01:05:00.380 I know.

01:05:00.800 As an alcoholic, I worry about that.

01:05:02.620 What's your bottom?

01:05:04.040 Right.

01:05:04.720 And so in this country, yeah, it may have to be very uncomfortable, which would, I would,

01:05:10.120 which would lead people to something.

01:05:12.140 Oh yeah.

01:05:12.640 You know, it usually does.

01:05:13.980 I mean, 9-11 next week, more people were in church, I think, than, you know, in a long

01:05:19.440 time, right?

01:05:20.000 There was a coming together.

01:05:21.020 There was a, when you get scared, you know, when you get, when there's fear and there's true

01:05:24.320 fear.

01:05:25.780 And that may be what has to happen to get, you know, a lot of people.

01:05:30.000 And if that's what.

01:05:30.800 He will have a humble people.

01:05:32.100 In the, in the eternal sense, that's what has to happen.

01:05:35.240 So like, I mean, to understand eternity and, you know, I think I put this story in the book.

01:05:40.720 My daughter was in fifth grade.

01:05:42.340 She actually just graduated from college a couple of weekends ago and she was in fifth

01:05:47.440 grade.

01:05:48.400 Corey's like, Willie, go help her with that assignment, which is very unusual.

01:05:51.600 I wasn't normally that guy to go.

01:05:53.560 So I go in there and I'm like, here, give me this thing.

01:05:55.380 And I'm like, it's fifth grade.

01:05:56.980 And I'm like, I ain't got a clue.

01:05:58.640 I mean, I literally, I don't have a clue how to answer this question.

01:06:02.260 I laid down.

01:06:03.140 I said, Bella, here's the deal.

01:06:05.240 This test doesn't matter.

01:06:06.640 She's crying.

01:06:07.620 I said, this doesn't matter.

01:06:09.300 In fact, fifth grade doesn't matter.

01:06:11.580 You know, who cares about, you know, unless you're selling gum, unless you got a, yeah,

01:06:16.800 I definitely, you know, this is a mode of like business.

01:06:21.220 So I'm like, you got it.

01:06:22.600 She's like, yes, sir.

01:06:23.480 I got it.

01:06:23.840 So I'll go back there and watch Steve.

01:06:25.220 My wife comes in like, what did you just tell our daughter?

01:06:27.780 And I said, what do you mean?

01:06:28.400 She goes, she said, you just said her test didn't matter.

01:06:31.080 And her whole grade doesn't matter.

01:06:32.700 I said, yeah, I'm sticking with that too.

01:06:35.800 Now I think, you know, she just graduated college.

01:06:37.820 I think she understands what I was saying to think back to fifth grade.

01:06:42.380 So I think once we live with the eternal mindset, we have that heavenly mindset.

01:06:47.560 Man, this is like a, you know.

01:06:49.840 And it also, he doesn't waste anything.

01:06:53.560 I mean, so something screws up.

01:06:55.640 Something goes wrong.

01:06:56.720 No, it's like Jambalaya.

01:06:57.660 Throw everything in there.

01:06:58.460 Like, I'm using stuff from, I've told you stories about fourth grade, fifth grade.

01:07:03.120 Like, who would have thought I would have even, but now they're in, you know, now they're

01:07:06.280 like, oh, I can use this.

01:07:07.420 You know, I think he uses, that's the beauty of Christianity is that you can use even the

01:07:12.060 bad, even the stuff like, oh, this is bad, right?

01:07:14.940 And it's like when we used to like reality TV, it reminds me of that when the thing happens

01:07:19.620 that's going to shut down the thing.

01:07:21.980 And I always say, but you never can see it.

01:07:24.100 And I would say, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, this is what, this is what, this is the show.

01:07:27.840 This is the show.

01:07:29.060 Right.

01:07:29.580 You're like, no, no, we can't film the show because it's happening.

01:07:32.040 I'm like, that is the show.

01:07:33.500 That's the show.

01:07:34.280 You're right.

01:07:34.760 The first time I ever did reality TV, my phone froze up.

01:07:39.880 I missed my alarm.

01:07:41.060 I was supposed to be down there duck hunting, feeling them.

01:07:43.520 Slept in.

01:07:45.000 And they're down there, feeling them again already.

01:07:47.200 And the director's looking around and goes, okay.

01:07:48.840 He goes, oh, where's Willie?

01:07:51.320 And Phil does not miss a beat.

01:07:52.740 Phil's like, oh, I imagine he's still asleep.

01:07:55.280 And they're like, we can't film this show.

01:07:59.860 And they're like, well, we're going hunting.

01:08:02.320 If y'all want to not film, don't film.

01:08:04.600 And the guy's like, Willie screwed this whole thing.

01:08:06.840 I wake up like at nine o'clock.

01:08:08.240 I'm like, oh no, the college shows.

01:08:10.120 I'm like, I got to get out there.

01:08:11.880 I need a P-Row, which is a small boat.

01:08:13.960 I go to get a small boat.

01:08:15.780 There's a boat.

01:08:17.400 It's the size of this tape, but it's this big.

01:08:20.500 And I'm like, huh, how are they riding this thing?

01:08:23.820 I come to find out later.

01:08:24.840 It's a serving tray for crawfish.

01:08:27.080 It's not meant to.

01:08:28.680 So I get in this thing.

01:08:29.860 It's literally the size of my hips.

01:08:32.120 And I get in there and I'm like, okay.

01:08:34.440 And as soon as I did like this, it was just.

01:08:37.000 And I paddled that thing out there.

01:08:39.320 And you see me shoot out of the woods.

01:08:41.240 And Phil's like, what's he riding?

01:08:44.080 Jay says, I see nothing but his body.

01:08:46.620 We don't even know what's he.

01:08:48.660 So when I pulled up to the deal, that was the show.

01:08:52.400 That was the show.

01:08:53.080 None of that was scripted.

01:08:55.520 But that, so sometimes it's like, it's, that's the thing that you're looking for.

01:09:00.620 Would you close in prayer?

01:09:03.220 I will.

01:09:04.820 Father, we're so grateful to be in your presence.

01:09:08.960 Just pray for Glenn.

01:09:09.820 And I pray for just the audience he has, all the, everything he's built, Father, just in this world and all the people he has around him.

01:09:17.180 And Father, I just pray that you always give him hope and always give him the insight, Father, to make things clear to people.

01:09:25.340 And I just, I know he gets beat down, Father.

01:09:28.040 And I just pray that you be with that.

01:09:30.220 Give him hope, positivity, renewed energy.

01:09:36.360 And Father, just give us, give us all that.

01:09:39.580 Give us all the vision to, to see things and see the future, see being with you, see eternity and seeing something beyond this earth that we know is hard to see.

01:09:51.620 Be with our faith.

01:09:54.100 I pray that we all become better gospelers.

01:09:56.800 We, we just have the gospel in our lips all the time.

01:09:59.080 And I pray for all those around the world who are sharing their faith, even at the, even at the possibility of peril.

01:10:07.080 And Father, I pray for them.

01:10:08.940 And I just pray for, give us strength.

01:10:10.520 Be with this country, Father.

01:10:11.480 We know it's just so screwed up in so many ways.

01:10:14.420 But Father, help us to be voices.

01:10:15.960 Help us to be voices to, to try to make that change.

01:10:18.780 If, even if not for us, for our kids and our grandkids.

01:10:22.300 And Father, I just pray that you be with, be with us in this year.

01:10:26.260 What a nutty year, Father.

01:10:27.440 We just pray that you give us wisdom and understanding.

01:10:29.840 I pray for all the leaders.

01:10:30.820 And we know that you're in charge.

01:10:32.200 And we put these people in and move them out.

01:10:34.700 And thank you for this show.

01:10:36.300 Thank you for this time, this conversation, Father.

01:10:39.320 And I just pray that we always have an answer for the hope that we have.

01:10:43.600 And that's you.

01:10:44.240 And we give you all the praise through Jesus.

01:10:46.580 Amen.

01:10:47.240 Amen.

01:10:48.200 I love you, brother.

01:10:49.120 Awesome, buddy.

01:10:49.700 Thank you.

01:10:50.080 Just a reminder, I'd love you to rate and subscribe to the podcast and pass this on to a friend

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01:11:17.340 Yeah.

01:11:17.700 Yeah.

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The Glenn Beck Program - June 01, 2024

Ep 221 ｜ Willie Robertson's Wild Ride from Worm Farms to 'Duck Dynasty' Fame ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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