The Glenn Beck Program - Ep 231 ｜ Kirk Cameron： Christians CAN Save This Country ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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00:00:34.060 My guest on today's podcast had to put on a bulletproof vest to read a book about God to children in a public library in America.

00:00:42.940 In fact, our nation's capital.

00:00:45.440 Even still, he is hopeful that the challenges our nation faces today may be a divine setup for a spiritual comeback.

00:00:52.420 You are in for an amazing conversation.

00:00:55.980 With the 2024 election looming, he has perspective, and it's a heavenly perspective because it's full of hope.

00:01:06.060 But it's real hope about America's destiny, but also yours personally.

00:01:11.400 Please welcome a man you know from multiple films and most certainly from the hit sitcom Growing Pains.

00:01:17.500 The author of many books, his latest, Born to be Brave.

00:01:21.380 Welcome to the Glenn Beck Podcast, Kirk Cameron.

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00:02:49.940 So you had to wear a bulletproof vest at a library?

00:03:08.080 I debated whether or not to put that out there so that now people know the next time I show up at a library.

00:03:13.720 Yeah, I did because we've had so many stories in the media and people in the entertainment industry who just had the crazy show up.

00:03:23.540 And I typically get kind of close to people to say hi and how are you because they're moms and they're dads and they're kids.

00:03:30.040 And sure enough, we had people with backpacks full of things they should not have in lines.

00:03:35.720 And so, yeah, we had the detail of the executive protection crews and the police were there at these places.

00:03:42.440 How weird is that that you were reading a book about the Holy Spirit and you have to wear a bulletproof vest?

00:03:49.160 Yeah, that's right.

00:03:50.140 That's right.

00:03:50.540 Because the way I look at it as the opposition is not playing around.

00:04:00.720 They're serious as a heart attack about capturing the future and controlling and centralizing the power.

00:04:10.160 And the biggest threat to that is Christianity and its application to the family and to all of culture. 0.96

00:04:19.280 So they just can't have it.

00:04:20.540 So Christians need to understand this isn't just a, you know, let's just have a good time, sing some church songs and look forward to heaven.

00:04:31.180 This is a real battle here on earth.

00:04:32.980 Yeah.

00:04:33.280 The days of us just gathering with a guitar in our church and singing and then going home, those are coming to a quick end.

00:04:40.600 I mean, you still celebrate and everything else, but being a Christian in the future in America is going to come with penalties, I think, or could. 0.99

00:04:53.480 Yes, yes, I think so.

00:04:56.500 And that often is the bravery, courage, character training that I think we as humans benefit from.

00:05:06.000 I'm not wishing war or persecution on anybody.

00:05:08.900 However, I know that it's always during the difficult, challenging times of my life, professionally, personally, in my marriage or in my career, that is where my convictions are formed.

00:05:19.820 It's where I realize my mistakes.

00:05:21.860 My eyes open up and I go, what the hell am I doing?

00:05:24.420 I've got to change this.

00:05:26.280 I'm going to put my trust somewhere else.

00:05:28.640 My strategy is going to be different.

00:05:31.400 And I think that these kinds of trials and challenges are actually good for us.

00:05:36.500 I do too.

00:05:37.200 Even if, you know, I want to talk about politics later, but even if the election doesn't go the way I hope it does, it's going to be good for us.

00:05:47.120 Whatever it is that we're supposed to go through is going to put us exactly where we need to be.

00:05:53.380 And I've lived exactly the same thing.

00:05:57.400 I don't change when everything is going well.

00:05:59.920 I humble myself.

00:06:02.840 I ask questions.

00:06:04.020 What have I done?

00:06:05.300 What have I done to cause these things?

00:06:08.000 How can I change and return back to basic principles that are universal principles?

00:06:15.320 And I feel that kind of happening.

00:06:17.660 I mean, look at the hurricanes.

00:06:20.020 People are turning back to each other and back to first principles.

00:06:24.800 You know, what's happening in Asheville and North Carolina and Georgia and Tennessee is really pretty miraculous.

00:06:32.320 We haven't seen this kind of coming together, I think, since 9-11.

00:06:36.520 Just thinking that, too.

00:06:39.080 Yeah.

00:06:39.780 We were speaking just a moment ago to the gentleman here, and I've got a buddy who's up there who's got a group of volunteer men who have finally felt like they've got a bigger mission than the many missions that they receive at their church or at their job or whatever.

00:06:59.760 And they feel like they're helping to rescue and rebuild and renew people's lives and their families.

00:07:07.100 And I think that's what all of us want to be about.

00:07:09.660 I think having a sense of vision and mission is super important.

00:07:14.600 I know that's what drives you.

00:07:15.680 That's why Mercury Studios exists.

00:07:17.800 That's why you're doing all the different network things that you do is that you want to make an impact and a difference.

00:07:22.180 And I think that when hurricanes like this happen, when 9-11s happen, when other things happen, when marriages begin to collapse, this then focuses us.

00:07:32.680 It turns our heart to the source of our hope.

00:07:35.000 And when we capture a vision of victory and we lean in to that courage that we can have, knowing that there's a superintending hand working it all for good, I think that's when life gets exciting.

00:07:52.160 Yeah.

00:07:52.640 I think it's a—even if you don't—I happen to believe that we may be living in times.

00:07:58.460 I know people have always said that, but that doesn't scare me.

00:08:01.720 That excites me, for one.

00:08:05.240 But even if not, what a privilege to live at this time, because—especially if you're awake, because it's pushing you up against the wall.

00:08:19.480 It's challenging everything that you believe.

00:08:22.200 Yeah.

00:08:22.300 And if you don't look away from it and you just deal with it, you become a much stronger, much better person.

00:08:30.880 Yeah.

00:08:31.020 You know, that is incredible.

00:08:33.600 And if it is the end times, it's given me more of a motivation to spend the rest of my life building the kingdom.

00:08:43.800 Yeah.

00:08:44.040 You know what I mean?

00:08:44.780 Yeah.

00:08:45.480 Wow, what a cool thing.

00:08:47.720 Prepare the way has always been like, yeah, well, that's kind of distant.

00:08:52.360 It's not.

00:08:53.260 It's not.

00:08:53.760 We should have been living this way the whole time, and we should continue living this way.

00:08:58.320 But for me, at least, it has a new kind of emphasis.

00:09:04.860 Does that make sense to you?

00:09:05.480 Yeah, it does make sense.

00:09:06.840 And by the way, I'm a little ADD at the moment.

00:09:09.820 I'm kind of a bit of a fan here.

00:09:13.780 I'm kind of knocked out that I'm on your show, and we're talking about this stuff with you.

00:09:18.880 I know.

00:09:18.960 No, well, you are a veritable giant in the space, and so I'm grateful to be here, and I get to engage with you on this kind of stuff.

00:09:29.180 I agree with what you're saying.

00:09:31.820 End times, that'd be a whole fun other subject.

00:09:33.680 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:09:34.200 I'd rather think that the old covenant era was wrapping up, and that whole world was coming to an end, and that the new way is beginning.

00:09:42.600 It's a new dispensation, at least.

00:09:44.540 Rather than a new planet is coming.

00:09:47.760 So we could talk about that later.

00:09:49.040 That would be fun.

00:09:49.520 And all my Christian evangelical friends will scream at me for my fringy beliefs.

00:09:58.120 Nobody's going to know the time, but if it does happen, we shouldn't be afraid of it.

00:10:03.160 It's great.

00:10:04.940 Well, I agree with what you're saying about the perspective.

00:10:09.940 There's a quote in The Lord of the Rings by Gandalf the Grey, and he's saying to Frodo, who is terrified about the things happening to him.

00:10:16.500 And there's so many good.

00:10:17.420 I know, but this one is my favorite quote.

00:10:20.220 And he was talking about the evil, and Frodo's, I wish this wasn't happening.

00:10:24.860 In my time.

00:10:25.540 And Frodo is like, yeah, nobody wants this stuff to happen, but we're not in control of that.

00:10:28.860 And then he said this.

00:10:29.420 He said, other evils there are that shall come, for even Sauron himself is but an emissary or a servant.

00:10:38.920 But it is not our task to master all the tides of the world, but rather to do what is in us for the help of those years wherein we have been set.

00:10:52.320 I love that because these are the very moments that have been decreed for you and I to be on this planet and every mom and dad and grandparent and young person to stand on the stage of the world and do everything in you to uproot evil and plant seeds of truth, beauty, goodness, strength, honor.

00:11:22.440 Virtue, so that God is honored and that those who live after us will have a world to build on.

00:11:31.000 I know there are really good people that have lived their life that whole way, but I haven't lived my whole life that way.

00:11:36.380 You know what I mean?

00:11:37.080 It took, you know, it's taken a long journey, but again, I just feel like I am more focused than ever.

00:11:48.420 I don't think my generation is going to be the one to solve it.

00:11:51.320 You know, I just know I have to do what I'm supposed to do right now and how that turns out, whether that I don't know what that is.

00:12:01.040 I just know Billy Graham told me one time I said, where is, you know, where's where's the next you, Billy?

00:12:07.780 Billy, and he was so great.

00:12:09.860 Did you know him?

00:12:11.000 I've met him when he got his star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame.

00:12:14.420 Okay.

00:12:15.140 So, Billy Graham with the Walk of Fame star.

00:12:17.840 So, he said, God's tired of giving people like me credit.

00:12:24.800 He said, I've taken the credit.

00:12:26.180 Believe me, anything good that I've been involved with in my life was his work.

00:12:31.160 Anything bad was my work.

00:12:33.660 And he said, but God isn't looking for a star this time.

00:12:37.920 He is looking for every single person just to listen to his voice.

00:12:43.980 And he's going to ask everybody to do something.

00:12:45.940 It could be very, very little.

00:12:47.440 In fact, most people will dismiss it as, well, that's not going to change anything.

00:12:51.220 Why would I do that?

00:12:52.300 Yeah.

00:12:52.520 He said, but those who are faithful will do just that.

00:12:55.900 Nothing more, nothing less.

00:12:57.680 Just what they're told to do.

00:12:59.400 Yes.

00:12:59.800 And he said, when it comes time, the lights will come on and it will be a mosaic of things that only the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob could have assembled.

00:13:10.060 Come on.

00:13:10.400 And it will be apparent and he will finally get the credit.

00:13:15.180 Amen.

00:13:15.940 Isn't that great?

00:13:16.620 That's so great.

00:13:17.560 That's so great.

00:13:18.500 And that gives significance to the mom who feels like she is thanklessly raising her children day in and day out, changing diapers, blessing and praying and feeding and cleaning and doing all of the things.

00:13:32.800 And it all matters.

00:13:34.620 Of course, I was having this conversation with my son yesterday.

00:13:38.060 We just road trip from Denver to Nashville.

00:13:40.240 I drove a 20 foot U-Haul towing a Jeep behind the U-Haul through like five states and it was a 17 hour drive and we just talked the whole time.

00:13:48.640 And we had this conversation of like the seemingly insignificant is massively influential from God's perspective.

00:13:58.000 Think of the pilgrims.

00:14:00.520 Do you think that they thought getting on a little ship that was meant to go port to port in England with half their church having to stay behind because the other ships sprung a leak, leaving their pastor, going over with with no army to speak of.

00:14:16.240 They had some Bibles and some chickens and they land in the wilderness and what did they do?

00:14:22.480 They didn't they didn't see the fruit that was produced from laying their faces down in the mud and blowing bubbles.

00:14:31.460 So their children could step on their backs as stepping stones to get to a community that would shine as a light to the entire world.

00:14:38.960 They had no idea.

00:14:40.360 And either does the praying mom, either does the dad working three jobs and either does the guy that made this microphone who now is allowing you and I to talk and share this message with millions of people.

00:14:52.040 It all counts.

00:14:53.860 It's like my liver.

00:14:55.200 I don't think much about it, but when it's not working, everything else shuts down.

00:14:59.080 Everyone looks at the mouth and the eyes and the hands, but my hand is useless without an arm, right?

00:15:05.100 Or an elbow or a shoulder.

00:15:06.160 And that's what Paul says in the scriptures is that we have one body, many members.

00:15:09.880 Each one is vitally important.

00:15:12.280 And if we do our work with courage, faith and love, I believe that we can realign our own hearts, our homes and the entire nation with heaven's values.

00:15:22.820 I've seen it.

00:15:24.500 I saw it in Nashville.

00:15:25.700 I saw people come up and say, I don't know what I have to offer.

00:15:29.620 I just, I felt like I was supposed to be here to help.

00:15:32.220 Yeah.

00:15:32.400 And what they had to offer fit perfectly with what was needed.

00:15:36.460 You know, it's just, it's just listening to the spirit and being willing to serve.

00:15:44.720 You know, like, like Billy said, God gets all the credit.

00:15:48.520 I don't want any credit.

00:15:50.360 I don't need any credit.

00:15:51.560 I'm just trying to serve.

00:15:53.080 I'm just trying to help.

00:15:54.300 Yeah.

00:15:54.740 You know, and I'm willing to do anything.

00:15:57.840 You want me to clean toilets?

00:15:58.900 I'll clean toilets.

00:15:59.660 Is that helpful?

00:16:00.460 I'm there.

00:16:01.220 Whatever.

00:16:01.880 Yeah.

00:16:02.320 And that is, I'm seeing it happen, which is so exciting.

00:16:06.940 I think we're in for a, let me say it this way.

00:16:13.700 God will have a humble people and he will have a people that really understand who he is.

00:16:22.340 And that takes humility.

00:16:24.640 And I don't know if we're humble enough yet for him.

00:16:27.500 Um, but at some point we will be.

00:16:33.200 And, uh, I just think on that road, we're just going to see miracle after miracle after miracle.

00:16:39.460 And I, I think there's a real awakening coming.

00:16:42.840 I do too.

00:16:43.660 I really do.

00:16:44.820 I hope so.

00:16:45.440 I pray so.

00:16:46.500 And there's wisdom in a parent who sees their teenager going down the wrong road.

00:16:53.360 You know, you can't control them.

00:16:54.540 And ultimately you have to point them to God and to the front door.

00:16:57.740 You can't make their decisions for them as adults.

00:17:00.400 And so sometimes life teaches the lesson that they will not hear from a parent.

00:17:05.780 And I see that happening on a national level with us.

00:17:09.820 And if, and a good parent actually lets their child fall and hit, hit, hit the pavement if

00:17:15.000 that's what they need.

00:17:16.180 Could it be that, that God in heaven is allowing his children, the family of faith to actually

00:17:24.340 experience the consequences of taking prayer out of school, taking the 10 commandments

00:17:28.700 out of our legal system, uh, taking gender and making it a social construct, mutilating

00:17:35.480 children's bodies and murdering children and say, that's really where you want to go to

00:17:41.000 and fit in with whatever it is that's giving you, uh, benefits.

00:17:45.820 Well, let's just have that and just see how you like it.

00:17:49.300 And that's often the times when great awakenings occur.

00:17:53.140 When politically it's awful, economically there's a collapse, morally it's disgusting,

00:17:58.400 spiritually it's cold.

00:17:59.740 Then all of a sudden people say, what have we done?

00:18:02.960 And I'm hoping that that is going to be the case here in our country again. 0.99

00:18:08.120 It's the gods of the copy book headings by Rudyard Kipling.

00:18:11.620 He wrote it after world war one.

00:18:13.380 And basically he's saying we rejected truth because it, it wasn't exciting and it didn't

00:18:21.200 promise us, you know, that, you know, horses had wings and, and, you know, pigs were wishes.

00:18:28.140 And so we've went our own way, but all of these truths will return one way or another

00:18:35.240 because they're true.

00:18:37.080 That's right.

00:18:37.680 And, um, I, I think we're beginning to see that, you know, I, I was in, I hate to keep

00:18:42.800 bringing up the hurricane, but I was encouraged to see, um, the two different theories.

00:18:49.520 One is let FEMA come in and take care of us. 1.00

00:18:53.920 Well, they didn't.

00:18:55.080 And the country learned, you know what, it's actually good for us to be the ones who are

00:19:01.260 the first responder.

00:19:02.200 FEMA can come in as the second responder and help us help them, but we have to do it as,

00:19:08.740 as people and it's good and it's uplifting.

00:19:11.920 Yes.

00:19:12.360 Uh, and then with all of the disorder in the world, here comes Ron DeSantis and says, I've

00:19:20.260 already got the trucks lined up.

00:19:22.120 You get out, you do what you have to do.

00:19:25.640 And once the trouble is passed, then you can come out.

00:19:28.780 But I've already taken care of this, this, and this.

00:19:31.520 And FEMA is not our first responder.

00:19:35.060 No.

00:19:35.260 And you see the order.

00:19:37.720 You see that the sheriff coming out, uh, yesterday saying, by the way, we have shelters, but if

00:19:45.080 you're a, if you're a sex offender, you cannot go to these shelters, but we have another shelter

00:19:51.740 for sex offenders.

00:19:53.180 Okay.

00:19:54.680 That shows again, order that we don't even get at our border now.

00:19:58.600 And there was no hatred for the sex.

00:20:01.080 It was just like, look, you're in a different category.

00:20:03.360 You go here, you go here.

00:20:04.920 Yeah.

00:20:05.400 And it, it works.

00:20:07.140 Yeah.

00:20:07.340 And it works.

00:20:08.120 It's just not chaos.

00:20:10.060 That's right.

00:20:10.640 That's right.

00:20:11.040 I think, um, again, my son and I were having this, this conversation.

00:20:14.820 It's so cool when, when kids, um, are old enough to have adult conversations with them

00:20:18.700 and then you start to learn from them and he's saying, dad, there's a certain comfort

00:20:23.260 in communism is crazy.

00:20:24.940 As it sounds, decisions are made for you.

00:20:27.480 There's a lot less stress in the sense that, well, I don't have to go out there and figure

00:20:32.120 it out.

00:20:32.420 They're going to just tell me what I'm going to do or they're going to provide for me.

00:20:35.240 But then there's also obviously the great danger of it.

00:20:37.820 But the whole American idea of self-governance that FEMA will never be my first responder. 0.71

00:20:48.960 FEMA, I'm sorry, the, the department of education is never going to be the first responder with

00:20:54.920 regard to what my children think, how they operate.

00:20:59.240 Yep.

00:20:59.600 The government should never be the first responder with healthcare.

00:21:02.140 They should never be the responder, uh, with, with all of these things, the food supply,

00:21:07.060 the medical supplies, all this.

00:21:08.360 We can do this better because we love one another as neighbors.

00:21:12.380 We know each other, we're family, we're friends, we're a community, but we've got to

00:21:15.960 have character.

00:21:17.280 And, uh, uh, Alex de Tocqueville was quoted as saying that America is good, uh, not because

00:21:22.960 of her government or her money or her harbors or her commerce or even her constitution or even

00:21:27.820 the democracy, it's because her pulpits were aflame with righteousness and America is great

00:21:33.580 because she's good.

00:21:34.560 If she ever forgets and stops being good, she will never be great again.

00:21:39.020 So we've got to have moral character and we've got to have courage to stand up against the

00:21:44.740 enemies of truth and freedom.

00:21:48.160 And that's, that's what I'm seeing.

00:21:51.680 Eyes are opening, ears are hearing, people are beginning to stand and begin to do the

00:21:57.680 work themselves.

00:21:58.860 And that is a great threat to the, the, the, the, the big network monsters that want us

00:22:06.800 all to be dependent.

00:22:07.640 So let me take you back to the beginning of our conversation.

00:22:11.600 You were wearing a bulletproof vest because they cannot allow this to happen.

00:22:18.660 We're seeing Donald Trump, uh, under attack.

00:22:22.920 Anyone, Elon Musk, he was the darling of the left until he disagreed with some of their policies.

00:22:29.520 Now he has to be destroyed.

00:22:31.460 So what, you know, I know you believe in, and so do I, you got to live your life.

00:22:40.020 You've got to be engaged and you don't want to, you don't want to doom, uh, scroll all the

00:22:46.160 time.

00:22:46.440 No, can't do it.

00:22:47.160 But you have to be aware of what we're facing.

00:22:51.380 Yes.

00:22:51.860 How do you blend that to where you're not too far one way, too far the other way?

00:22:57.640 Yeah.

00:22:57.820 Well, um, great question because I wrestle with that every day.

00:23:01.460 I heard a quote once from somebody, Glenn, who said, I wake up every morning torn between

00:23:06.480 two strong desires to save the world, to savor the world and to save the world, which makes

00:23:13.340 planning my day very difficult.

00:23:15.640 That's great.

00:23:16.620 And that's how I feel.

00:23:17.860 And so I've got a personal strategy just to remain sane.

00:23:21.660 And that is, um, I, I imagine, uh, my spheres of influence and responsibility and then keeping

00:23:28.980 everything in its place.

00:23:29.980 So like I'm putting this mug in the center of a round table and imagine this small circle

00:23:34.640 in the center.

00:23:35.500 Um, it's small.

00:23:36.640 And I say, I want to savor the small things of my day.

00:23:39.460 When I wake up and see my granddaughter's face, I want to just enjoy that and kiss my

00:23:45.060 wife and enjoy a cup of coffee. 1.00

00:23:46.340 And then I want to make much of the medium.

00:23:50.280 The medium is the stuff I can get my hands on and do like this book or a kid's TV show

00:23:55.600 or go, um, you know, do a talk show or whatever and know that that will be multiplied if it's

00:24:02.840 good and right.

00:24:03.660 I'm going to let go of the large, which is decisions that Kamala Harris is making decisions 0.98

00:24:09.240 that the UN is making.

00:24:10.320 I, maybe some people have influence there.

00:24:12.380 I don't, I got to let go of that.

00:24:14.180 And then I'm going to celebrate the cosmic, the largest circle of all of them, knowing

00:24:19.860 what you said earlier, that God is the blessed controller of all things, working it all for

00:24:25.060 good for those who love him.

00:24:26.400 And so that allows me to work hard, face the challenges with courage and also take heart

00:24:35.360 when I look around and see that the enemies are, appear to be much bigger than me.

00:24:40.040 It's because I know that there is someone whose size is so magnificent that he makes the giants

00:24:47.380 look like midgets.

00:24:48.640 Right. 0.95

00:24:49.340 And he's not surprised by any of this.

00:24:51.800 No, that's right.

00:24:52.800 There's a plan.

00:24:53.300 Let me take and speak directly to, based on what you just said, because you could take

00:25:00.520 that one of two ways.

00:25:03.040 You're saying, I'm going to do the things I can that's on the table.

00:25:07.300 But there's a lot of Christians that'll say, I'm just going to pray. 0.90

00:25:11.780 I'm not even going to vote.

00:25:13.240 Yeah.

00:25:13.880 That to me is insane.

00:25:15.920 I think it's insane.

00:25:17.020 And I think it's, I think it's immoral when you think about it.

00:25:20.060 And, and I don't, I don't want to say this, this is not a smack down.

00:25:24.020 Like I, I wrestle through all these things myself and I get it.

00:25:28.200 People don't want to vote between the lesser of two evils or they say, I don't want to,

00:25:31.320 you know, attach, hitch my, my, you know, my truck to, to, to, to that guy or that girl.

00:25:36.660 Um, but at the end of the day, um, we have been given the great privilege that people

00:25:43.700 in North Korea don't have.

00:25:45.260 We get to legally vote to select our representatives.

00:25:52.120 But if we just sit it out, that means that the worst of the two options has one less vote

00:25:58.740 to get, to get into power, to just destroy the future for your children.

00:26:02.120 So we've got to go with, we're always, last time I checked, Jesus wasn't on the ballot.

00:26:06.740 Um, and so we're always going to be voting for one of two broken people and, uh, nobody's

00:26:12.720 perfect.

00:26:13.740 And so we've got to go with the best option that we have available to us knowing that

00:26:20.480 the president can't fix the problem anyway.

00:26:23.400 Yes.

00:26:23.780 That's our job.

00:26:25.160 That's what we're talking about earlier.

00:26:26.360 It's the guys that are doing in Nashville, what FEMA is not doing.

00:26:30.420 The first responders need to be moms and dads building culture in their homes. 1.00

00:26:34.900 And then the executive branch can provide some air cover.

00:26:38.180 Right.

00:26:39.000 If they're doing their job to keep the evil away so we can do the good from the inside

00:26:42.760 out.

00:26:43.200 And that's where the vote comes in.

00:26:45.200 Yes.

00:26:45.620 You need the air cover.

00:26:47.160 Right.

00:26:47.520 We need the iron dome.

00:26:48.820 We need the F-15s. 1.00

00:26:50.340 Correct.

00:26:50.560 We need that branch.

00:26:52.040 Correct.

00:26:52.560 And if you don't pay attention to that, the air cover can suddenly become enemy fire.

00:26:58.000 Yes.

00:26:58.240 Now, now we have our own air cover firing at us.

00:27:02.000 Yes.

00:27:02.220 And parents who are removing their children from pornography infested schools are being

00:27:07.560 called domestic terrorists.

00:27:08.960 Yes.

00:27:09.420 Parents who are not even aware that their child is wanting a gender change surgery are

00:27:16.000 being penalized and laws are being put into place that will take those children away from

00:27:21.880 them and have the parents pay for their surgery in a safe house. 0.99

00:27:24.580 I mean, we have senators in California where I used to live that are saying, if you love

00:27:30.540 your children, flee our state. 0.99

00:27:34.940 Because they've been there for 10 years and they've seen where this is going.

00:27:37.960 Yeah.

00:27:38.080 But like you said, this could be our finest hour.

00:27:44.480 This could be the story.

00:27:46.160 Everybody loves a comeback.

00:27:47.520 This could be tomorrow's history books looking back going, they got to the point where they

00:27:54.080 were calling murdering babies reproductive care and they were mutilating children.

00:27:59.760 It got so crazy.

00:28:00.900 This was like pagan times again. 0.97

00:28:02.780 Nasty. 0.93

00:28:03.840 And then you know what? 0.96

00:28:04.880 Good people.

00:28:06.420 They stood up.

00:28:07.500 They remembered who they are, whose they are.

00:28:09.720 They captured a vision of victory that it was actually possible like heroes of the past

00:28:14.120 and they leaned into what was true and beautiful and good.

00:28:17.320 And you know what?

00:28:17.980 God came to their aid and there was a massive turnaround.

00:28:21.780 What a great story.

00:28:22.760 I want to be a part of that story.

00:28:24.160 I want to be part of the vanguard of that.

00:28:26.940 Possibly if I'm allowed to in my lifetime.

00:28:30.280 It's interesting to me that when you say the lesser of two evils, as you say, you're never

00:28:40.400 going to have a clean choice on that.

00:28:44.040 But to allow someone to make the decision for your children's future, we are creating

00:28:53.720 the future.

00:28:54.840 It's not about today.

00:28:55.740 It's about tomorrow and the next day and the next day.

00:28:59.420 And if I vote for Donald Trump and he suddenly starts going off the Constitution and becoming

00:29:05.080 a dictator.

00:29:06.740 Yeah, I voted for him.

00:29:08.660 But then it's my responsibility to stand against him.

00:29:11.920 To stand against him.

00:29:12.480 Yes.

00:29:13.040 Yeah.

00:29:13.360 And you kind of forget that.

00:29:14.560 You just think people vote and they think, well, that's a blank check.

00:29:17.960 No, it's not.

00:29:19.240 No, it's not.

00:29:20.140 They work for you.

00:29:23.040 Yeah.

00:29:23.980 You know, if Kamala Harris became a dictator, I would, of course, stand and I would hope

00:29:30.880 that others that voted for her would stand together and say unconstitutional.

00:29:36.120 Yeah.

00:29:36.320 Now, I don't know if we do that, you know, en masse because people are so hypnotized by

00:29:41.500 these parties and division.

00:29:44.040 It just, it has to be about right and wrong and our principles.

00:29:49.820 That's right.

00:29:50.320 It really does.

00:29:51.300 It has to be that.

00:29:52.560 Our Constitution is only for a moral and religious and educated people because it gives people

00:30:00.280 too much freedom.

00:30:01.980 And if you don't know right from wrong and you're not rooted in your convictions, if you're

00:30:06.340 not driving stakes into the ground saying, here I am, here I stand, God help me, we're

00:30:11.900 so easily manipulated and people will give up their guns, they'll give up their freedoms,

00:30:16.440 they'll give their, they'll, they'll sacrifice their own children at the altar of the new 0.91

00:30:24.480 secular church, which is public schools, and they are taught evil is good and good is evil 0.97

00:30:30.560 and the new provider and protector is the state, the government, rather than the God who gave

00:30:37.940 us these beautiful blessings and freedoms.

00:30:41.380 But that's not everybody's fault entirely because we're not even being taught those things

00:30:46.760 anymore.

00:30:47.020 I know.

00:30:47.740 Where, where it used to be step one.

00:30:52.060 Yeah.

00:30:52.440 I mean, it was, it was in the water, it was in the air.

00:30:54.940 Our founders told us that and, you know, you, you, you know that more than anyone.

00:30:58.640 It's amazing how we, how Satan has just taken everything and perverted all of it.

00:31:08.800 I heard somebody talking the other day, you know, that on Sundays you go to church and you,

00:31:15.640 you, to remember him and my belief is to read, you know, commit to your baptismal covenants

00:31:23.300 and ask for forgiveness, you bless the bread and the wine and this is my body.

00:31:30.600 This is my blood given up for you.

00:31:34.340 The left is now saying, this is my body and I'm going to give up that body, that child for

00:31:45.020 me.

00:31:45.540 That is such a clear inversion of the gospel, which is, that's, that's how you know.

00:31:56.100 I mean, it's crazy.

00:31:58.060 It really is.

00:31:58.740 What, what, what, what, what a striking way to position that.

00:32:03.860 I'm going to lay down my life so you can live.

00:32:06.500 Jesus said, I'm going to lay, I'm going to lay that life down so I can live.

00:32:11.400 That's right.

00:32:12.100 I can have the abundant life.

00:32:13.340 Yeah, that's, that's, that's, that's flipping, uh, truth and beauty and goodness on its head

00:32:18.860 and, and selling people evil in the name of, uh, what's, what's, what's loving and inclusive.

00:32:27.360 You, um, how do you answer people on a couple of things?

00:32:31.500 Um, you just said this gives people too much freedom. 0.97

00:32:36.820 I think it gives ignorant people too much freedom.

00:32:42.300 That's why you have to self-educate and, and be responsible for yourself because you're 1.00

00:32:48.720 an idiot with a gun. 1.00

00:32:49.820 Yeah. 1.00

00:32:50.260 You know what I mean?

00:32:50.900 Right.

00:32:51.500 Um, or with a wife or with a child or with anything, with anything, you can really cause

00:32:56.340 trouble.

00:32:56.740 Correct.

00:32:57.300 But that's up to you to be responsible, to recognize that responsibility.

00:33:03.740 You talk about, um, conforming our culture and everything, um, closer to biblical principles.

00:33:12.140 And people say, how dare you?

00:33:14.120 How do you, how do you, how do you explain that to people who don't necessarily are good

00:33:20.340 people, but don't believe in the Bible?

00:33:22.220 Yeah, I understand.

00:33:23.340 I understand.

00:33:23.840 Um, and, and ultimately, so, so let me, let me just re, re, re, uh, state the, the question.

00:33:31.800 I talk about wanting to have heaven's values, which I, uh, believe are the biblical values,

00:33:38.280 uh, influencing all spheres of society.

00:33:42.420 And, uh, that is simply a return to the principles that created this country and that has led to

00:33:50.320 our unprecedented blessing and success.

00:33:52.760 And that's good for everybody.

00:33:54.700 Um, unlike other countries, uh, you, you're going to have some philosophy or worldview that

00:33:59.940 creates a culture that is usually going to benefit certain classes or groups of people

00:34:05.440 and others, but more people want to come to the United States.

00:34:08.120 There's more freedom, more opportunity for business, for education, for, for religious

00:34:12.080 freedom, no matter what you are, you can be an atheist, a Buddhist, a Hindu, you can be

00:34:16.280 black, or you're going to be white, all these things.

00:34:18.040 Um, now we revert back to low, our lower natures and we, and we stray away from the biblical 0.96

00:34:24.340 principles and then we suffer and we injure one another.

00:34:27.060 I'm talking about getting back to the good ones.

00:34:29.560 And, um, what, what I loved was a quote from Richard Dawkins, famous atheist, probably one

00:34:38.840 of the most famous proponents of atheistic, uh, Darwinian evolution.

00:34:43.160 And he was asked the question and I had to go read the quote myself, uh, from the source.

00:34:48.220 And he was asked the question, what kind of civil, what worldview produces the best kinds

00:34:52.240 of civilizations?

00:34:52.940 If you could choose a Muslim country, an atheist country, a Marxist country, he said, Oh, undoubtedly 0.64

00:34:59.240 a Christian civilization.

00:35:00.540 That's where I'd want to live.

00:35:01.760 He said, because, um, any other types of civilizations, I, I, I could potentially be in

00:35:07.220 trouble. 0.76

00:35:07.420 I could have my head cut off.

00:35:08.540 If I could be all these other things, he's like, they definitely produce the most family

00:35:11.820 oriented, best fruit.

00:35:13.920 Then that's where I'd want to live.

00:35:15.340 Now.

00:35:15.660 I don't, I don't care that church attendance is declining because I think the whole premise

00:35:21.060 is just a fairy tale, but I like those saying that you want to only live in a Christian civilization 1.00

00:35:27.600 and culture country, but don't care that church attendance is declining is like saying I love

00:35:36.140 produce and I want lots of it in the grocery store, but I'm not concerned that all the

00:35:41.840 farms are shutting down.

00:35:44.200 That's what produces it.

00:35:46.140 You can't neglect the faith, the story, the philosophy, the worldview that produces the

00:35:52.900 fruit and expect for the fruit to stay sweet.

00:35:55.740 It doesn't.

00:35:56.360 That's not how it works.

00:35:57.480 Try it in your garden.

00:35:58.780 You know, like, like ignore the roots, just snip them.

00:36:01.120 Don't, don't feed them.

00:36:02.120 Don't water them.

00:36:02.940 See how long your beautiful apple tree stays beautiful.

00:36:05.440 That's what's happening in America.

00:36:06.880 And we got to get back to those values.

00:36:09.040 Some would say that that's Christian nationalism.

00:36:12.040 Kirk, how dare you want Chris?

00:36:14.620 You want a, you want a Christian prince.

00:36:18.520 Yeah, I got one.

00:36:19.380 He's in heaven.

00:36:20.180 He's not here.

00:36:21.100 He's not running to the United States.

00:36:22.080 That's not what we want.

00:36:23.400 They don't, they don't, people don't understand the concept you talk about in your book of two

00:36:28.520 citizenships.

00:36:29.360 That's right.

00:36:30.160 That's right.

00:36:30.580 We have two citizenships.

00:36:32.020 I'm a citizen of the kingdom of heaven and I'm a citizen of the United States.

00:36:36.120 You know, it's interesting.

00:36:36.680 The word citizen, I learned this from my friend, Bill Federer, William Federer, historian.

00:36:40.660 He pointed out that the word citizen is very important.

00:36:43.960 We're not subjects in America.

00:36:45.540 Isn't that interesting?

00:36:46.260 We're not subjects of a king.

00:36:48.040 We are citizens, which literally means to be a co-king.

00:36:51.740 We are ruling together as we, the people, and those who are in office are our representatives.

00:36:58.700 They're not even our leaders.

00:36:59.860 They are to represent the leaders who are us.

00:37:03.540 And we, I'm talking about the two citizenship.

00:37:08.120 What was the first part of the question you asked me?

00:37:11.880 I just said people don't understand that, you know, we have two citizenships, Christian

00:37:16.980 nationalism.

00:37:17.980 Oh, Christian nationalism. 0.59

00:37:18.900 Listen, that's what we were talking about, that, you know, do you know who hates nationalists?

00:37:29.020 Globalists.

00:37:30.100 Globalists hate nationalists.

00:37:31.560 They hate patriots.

00:37:32.760 They hate the whole concept.

00:37:34.560 Christian nationalism is just a slur that has been thrown at people who love God, who love

00:37:40.600 their family, and love their country.

00:37:42.080 It used to be called Christian patriotism.

00:37:44.260 That's what we, we, that's what we, we wave the flags and we say, God bless America.

00:37:48.560 And I'm thankful for my grandpa who fought in World War II.

00:37:51.740 Now they call nationalists and they want to, why?

00:37:55.580 Because at the very top, what they want is a giant global power structure that controls

00:38:03.880 all the food, controls all the money, controls all the everythings.

00:38:07.240 And that's, that's their marketing campaign. 0.76

00:38:12.100 Take the good guys and just turn them into little Nazis. 0.86

00:38:14.860 You see, you see what they're talking about with food, with farming, with, with the control

00:38:22.060 of a centralized power.

00:38:25.560 Yeah.

00:38:26.960 It'll never work.

00:38:28.640 I mean, I just don't know how they've convinced themselves that, oh yeah, no, we, we got this

00:38:33.480 one under control.

00:38:34.400 This would never work.

00:38:35.900 Yeah.

00:38:36.140 Well, but I'm sure they're having fun trying.

00:38:37.860 I mean, man, they got so much money, so much.

00:38:39.640 And you've got, you've got these, these, these giants.

00:38:42.640 I wonder what their cocktail party and dinner parties are like.

00:38:46.020 I actually, I don't want to know, but, but again, this is an opportunity for us.

00:38:52.140 I think as, as, you know, I, I, I'm not a big, you know, I'm not a giant mover or shaker.

00:38:59.320 I'm not pulling big levers that are affecting culture, but what I do know is that God can

00:39:05.560 feed 5,000 people with a couple of, a couple of loaves and a couple of fish.

00:39:09.580 I know that he multiplies what he loves and that some little baby in a cradle somewhere

00:39:15.320 was raised by a woman and he turns into George Washington or turns into one of the pilgrims 0.66

00:39:21.140 or turns into somebody who makes a giant difference.

00:39:24.160 And it wasn't, and going back to our conversation, it wasn't just, he just didn't, you're George

00:39:28.920 Washington.

00:39:29.560 It came from the seeds planted by the pilgrims.

00:39:33.000 That's right.

00:39:33.460 And their children and their children.

00:39:35.420 And then you get a George Washington.

00:39:37.140 That's right.

00:39:37.700 And then even his character has to be formed by going through the valleys and the, and the

00:39:42.100 fires, and then you get to do what you're doing.

00:39:44.260 And so if, if we can start with that kind of thinking, I think that then frames the future

00:39:51.220 for us, gives us ground to stand on, put steel in our backbone, wind in our sails.

00:39:56.580 And we can say what David said, I, I, I, I'm coming and I'm representing the God of heaven.

00:40:03.000 I don't care how big you are.

00:40:05.120 Even if all my brothers are over there, their knees are knocking and they're shaking in their

00:40:09.260 boots, I know that there is a cause for which God will help me.

00:40:16.580 And, uh, my prayer is Lord, keep me humble and my eyes focused in the right direction.

00:40:23.120 And I know you're going to take care of the rest.

00:40:26.600 Back with more with Kirk in just a minute.

00:40:28.580 First, I want to talk to you about pre-born.

00:40:30.420 Imagine if you had the ability just to wave your hand and abortion would no longer be legal. 0.78

00:40:35.240 Imagine the lives that you could save in that moment.

00:40:39.260 Okay.

00:40:40.140 We don't have any magic wands.

00:40:41.520 And also if you would wave the massive magic wand where it would be illegal, suddenly we'd

00:40:48.420 still be in trouble because we have to change people's hearts and that takes work.

00:40:54.260 And you can save lives and change people's hearts by donating to the pre-born ministry.

00:41:01.720 Uh, they, they, they empower young expectant mothers in crisis to choose life, empower them.

00:41:08.300 First, they've rescued hundreds of thousands of babies through ultrasounds.

00:41:12.220 This is why Planned Parenthood doesn't want ultrasounds around because when you go to a

00:41:17.000 pre-born center, she gets to hear the baby's heartbeat and see the child on ultrasound.

00:41:22.020 And that changes everything, doubles the chance that mom's going to choose life. 1.00

00:41:26.120 But then you also have to have compassion for the mom because a lot of these moms, they, they, 1.00

00:41:31.140 they don't think they can handle it.

00:41:32.540 They don't have anyone in their life supporting them.

00:41:34.800 They don't have the money, whatever.

00:41:36.040 However, this is where pre-born comes in on the second level.

00:41:40.920 They help with everything for the first two years.

00:41:43.740 I've seen this in action.

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00:42:01.400 You bring up David.

00:42:04.060 I don't like the way, like in 2016, a lot of people, and I saw it happen.

00:42:10.200 Trump was elected.

00:42:11.280 Oh, he's going to take care of all the problems.

00:42:13.100 He's not our savior.

00:42:14.040 And, and equally, I don't like the idea of so many Christians saying, well, he's not perfect.

00:42:23.920 David wasn't perfect.

00:42:26.040 Moses was slow of speech.

00:42:28.680 It's never, it's, I believe it's just the guy who will stand up and do what he's asked to do.

00:42:38.280 You know what I mean?

00:42:39.120 And he may not even know it.

00:42:41.500 He may not even know it.

00:42:42.880 But when I saw Trump get up off the stage and that bullet missed him by that, I mean, that, I'm sorry, was a God thing.

00:42:52.800 Yeah.

00:42:53.340 And, and, and it did humble him.

00:42:57.280 It really, it changed him.

00:43:01.100 But he's just the guy who will just get up again and say, keep going, keep going.

00:43:08.000 That's what the Lord needs in all of us.

00:43:11.120 Somebody who will just do it.

00:43:14.900 Yeah.

00:43:15.120 Just do it.

00:43:16.280 Right.

00:43:17.360 Yes.

00:43:18.000 I, I believe so.

00:43:19.620 And I have, I have witnessed as I've been going to schools and libraries and, and churches and places that people have been scared to the point where they kind of think maybe we can't turn this around.

00:43:37.080 Maybe that there, maybe there's no hope.

00:43:38.700 You know, I have, I, some people will say I have long-term optimism for, you know, goodness in the ether, but I have short-term pessimism when it comes to our chances here in this country.

00:43:49.920 And, um, I, I don't like that because that negates all the stuff that we've been talking about right now.

00:43:56.420 The, the, the way that, that God often uses unlikely people, uh, with nothing to offer, but a willingness to stand and do what's been put in front of me to accomplish the greatest tasks.

00:44:08.080 Um, I believe that people need to stop thinking that the opposition is so great.

00:44:17.660 Big tech, big pharma, big medical, big government, big everything is just, that's, that's like, that's their Achilles heel.

00:44:24.180 Yeah, it is.

00:44:24.920 And I see the fear in their eyes and they feel bad that their children were born in such a time as this.

00:44:30.140 You know what that reminds me of?

00:44:31.160 It reminds me when Moses was taking, uh, the, the, the children of Israel into the promised land and sends 12 men in to the land of Canaan.

00:44:40.300 And they come back and they go, no, no, no, no, no, guys, we, we picked the wrong place.

00:44:45.180 The walls are huge.

00:44:46.760 There are giants in the land.

00:44:48.240 There's no way we can do it.

00:44:49.400 But then there's one named Caleb who says, uh, no, um, remember what Moses said.

00:44:54.860 He said, you might think that your enemies and opponents are too big for you to drive out the land, but remember what the Lord did to Pharaoh and to Egypt.

00:45:05.140 Well, he had sent the plagues.

00:45:06.640 He parted the Red Sea.

00:45:07.700 He demonstrated his faithfulness and power.

00:45:10.300 And he's like, we got this, not in arrogance, not in presumption, but on humble dependence and a courageous willingness to do what was put in front of them.

00:45:21.920 I think that's what we have to do.

00:45:23.660 Gandalf said it as well.

00:45:25.320 Just do what we've been called to do in the years wherein we have been set, starting in your heart, getting it right in your home, not perfectly, but increasingly locally.

00:45:37.280 And if we all do that, it spreads like a California wildfire and it's uncontainable.

00:45:43.380 It's also, um, a rejection of the Lord's prayer.

00:45:48.580 Yes.

00:45:49.260 Thy will be done.

00:45:50.840 I don't know what he's doing.

00:45:52.460 I have no idea.

00:45:53.680 With my life, I've done stuff because he asked me to do.

00:45:57.660 And I'd be like, there's no way, there's no way that's going to work out.

00:46:01.920 Yeah.

00:46:02.140 And it does.

00:46:03.100 And then he's told me to do some things that didn't work out until later.

00:46:08.200 I was like, oh my gosh, if that wouldn't have happened, I wouldn't be, you know, so it's his will.

00:46:15.180 We're just supposed to do what he tells us to do.

00:46:19.160 Yeah.

00:46:19.520 And then he does the picture.

00:46:21.620 He knows what it is.

00:46:22.800 I don't know what it is.

00:46:23.980 Do we save America?

00:46:24.980 Do we not save America?

00:46:26.260 I hope we do, but I don't know.

00:46:28.500 Yeah.

00:46:29.020 I agree with you.

00:46:30.260 And I think our thinking about this is important.

00:46:33.540 Uh, you, you had, um, mentioned, uh, end times, last days, things like this.

00:46:37.420 I meet so many people who actually have been able to somehow in their mind, use that as

00:46:41.260 an excuse for apathy.

00:46:42.460 Hey, this, the Titanic is sinking.

00:46:44.800 Let's not polish brass on a sinking ship.

00:46:47.300 Good culture is just not going to happen.

00:46:49.040 Um, well, again, they've been predicting the end of the world for, for so long now, the late

00:46:53.200 the apostles did.

00:46:54.640 Yeah.

00:46:54.800 That was 2000 years ago.

00:46:55.920 I know they said it's coming quick.

00:46:57.820 Um, but you know what we also can do is that if we do have a mindset that this is, uh, all

00:47:03.380 the good we do today, Glenn, all you're really doing is you're just postponing the inevitable.

00:47:07.080 You're postponing it in the inevitable.

00:47:08.840 And a lot of Christians feel this way that the whole thing is going to end in a, in a,

00:47:13.480 in a, you know, a, a, a cosmic dumpster fire.

00:47:17.700 Um, well then how hard are you really going to lean into restoring and redeeming and revitalizing

00:47:25.460 culture for the next 500 years, a thousand years?

00:47:28.120 If you think Jesus is coming Tuesday and that there's no point therefore to really lean in.

00:47:33.540 And I know people wouldn't verbalize it like that, but in the back of their mind, that's

00:47:37.120 kind of the operating system and you create a self-fulfilling prophecy.

00:47:40.920 If I told you, I don't think my marriage is going to work.

00:47:43.800 I've blown it.

00:47:44.540 It's not going to, it's not going to, because why should I try?

00:47:47.420 She hates me, but I'm going to go find somebody else and get on with my life.

00:47:50.940 Can I ask you, but then you're never going to fix your marriage.

00:47:53.440 I have, I have friends and I don't know what you believe, but I have friends who believe

00:47:56.460 in, uh, the rapture and Oh God, I wish that was true.

00:47:59.740 And maybe it is, but I wish it was true because I don't want to be here for all of the bad

00:48:04.440 stuff.

00:48:04.760 Um, however, when I look at this, it makes me want to make the culture and everything

00:48:14.160 else stronger.

00:48:16.040 And it motivates me to make sure that my kids and everything surrounding that we shore up

00:48:22.620 this culture as much as possible.

00:48:24.120 Cause that's gas in our tank.

00:48:26.680 Our kids are going to need that gas. 0.97

00:48:29.560 Yeah, they will.

00:48:30.140 You know, one way or another, he comes, he doesn't come.

00:48:32.180 They are going to need to know what's true.

00:48:35.820 We need, we need to strengthen all of that stuff.

00:48:38.860 Yeah.

00:48:39.480 So they have some muscles.

00:48:41.600 Yes, absolutely.

00:48:42.660 Absolutely.

00:48:43.180 Because, um, other evils will come.

00:48:46.500 Yes, they surely will come.

00:48:48.580 And, um, you know, even if it's not even, you know, I don't know how you lived except for

00:48:55.380 the, you know, the signs.

00:48:56.840 I don't know how you lived in the 1930s and didn't think this could be Jesus coming back.

00:49:01.620 This is so evil.

00:49:02.720 That's right.

00:49:03.160 You know what I mean?

00:49:03.680 And World War II.

00:49:04.800 Right.

00:49:05.220 That tanked everybody's hope.

00:49:06.540 And if everybody would have just said, well, Jesus is coming back.

00:49:09.360 It's going to fix itself.

00:49:10.700 It wouldn't have fixed itself.

00:49:12.860 You have to get involved and you have to know the difference between good and evil. 0.98

00:49:18.280 Because, you know, we look at blacks, you know, these black, uh, you know, booted thugs 1.00

00:49:23.960 come in. 0.99

00:49:24.500 And, well, that was a snappy uniform made by Hugo Boss.

00:49:30.420 You didn't look at that Nazi SS uniform and go, oh, they're the bad guys.

00:49:36.520 That was like our Marines.

00:49:38.800 Our Marines.

00:49:39.600 Yeah.

00:49:39.960 Right.

00:49:40.240 In fact, it was a good guy at the time.

00:49:43.660 The, the, the games that are played with the human mind, only the spirit can break through

00:49:50.580 that and go, no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:49:52.660 Bad guys.

00:49:54.360 Yeah.

00:49:54.880 Yeah.

00:49:56.040 Well, one of the things I appreciate about you, Glenn, is, is that you do stuff.

00:50:00.800 You don't just talk about stuff.

00:50:02.280 Um, you report on, on the important things and others who are doing things to, uh, uh,

00:50:09.080 be solutionaries and then you go do them yourself with all of your initiatives.

00:50:14.060 And, and that's one of the things that, that I'm really focusing on these days is saying,

00:50:19.040 guys, let's not just be reporters.

00:50:20.440 Let's be reformers.

00:50:21.720 So explain that.

00:50:22.400 It's a great part in the book.

00:50:23.940 There's two, there's two groups of people that I find, uh, in that is those who like

00:50:28.700 to report on all the bad things happening in culture.

00:50:31.080 Look at the, and, and, and the conservative right is, it tends to do this a lot, um, point

00:50:36.540 out all the hypocrisies, use satire to expose the foolishness and absurdities of the premises 0.91

00:50:42.060 of the extreme left. 0.95

00:50:44.640 And all of that is reporting.

00:50:47.520 And I'm always wondering from the big brained guys on the right.

00:50:52.360 Okay.

00:50:52.780 I got, I'm on board.

00:50:53.980 I believe what you're saying.

00:50:54.760 What do I do?

00:50:55.280 How do we do this?

00:50:55.840 How do we fix it?

00:50:56.400 What's our plan?

00:50:57.040 Um, and then there's another group who are the actual reformers.

00:51:01.640 They don't just talk about the bad things happening.

00:51:03.380 They work to find creation, creative solutions and alternatives that are better for people

00:51:09.240 and promote human flourishing.

00:51:11.600 And that's, those are the people that are the heroes of history.

00:51:15.640 I mean, King Alfred of Wessex was not a reporter.

00:51:20.500 He was a reformer.

00:51:21.940 Uh, Martin Luther was a reformer.

00:51:24.180 Uh, Noah was a reformer.

00:51:26.340 Um, the pilgrims were reformers. 0.97

00:51:28.700 They weren't just whining and complaining.

00:51:31.920 Uh, the pilgrims had it far worse than we did.

00:51:35.380 They had a King who had declared himself God on earth, head of the church and head of the

00:51:39.440 government, no freedom, no education, no nothing.

00:51:42.500 And what did they do?

00:51:43.720 They didn't tuck their head between their knees, pray for the rapture and cry in their

00:51:47.420 Chick-fil-A soup.

00:51:49.820 They got ahold of their Bible.

00:51:51.860 They read it.

00:51:52.760 They faced poverty.

00:51:54.480 They faced betrayal, imprisonment, uh, weather, sickness, death.

00:51:58.920 And they went across an unknown waters and had a five-year plan to build a community that

00:52:05.260 would shine as a light to the world.

00:52:06.840 They were reformers.

00:52:08.440 That's what we were born to be.

00:52:10.920 In my opinion, if we've received, uh, a regeneration of our heart and soul by the spirit of God,

00:52:17.600 we're not to be professional complainers.

00:52:19.680 We're to be creators of the culture, not just reporters, but reformers of bad things.

00:52:25.860 And we can do that with the tools that God has given us and, uh, the people he surrounded

00:52:31.360 us with.

00:52:31.880 I have to tell you, I struggle with that so much because I really believe my calling is,

00:52:38.220 uh, we all are, but, uh, a watchman on the, at the gate.

00:52:43.800 And, uh, you know, Ezekiel's warning, uh, is heavy when you've got a huge footprint.

00:52:53.360 Yeah.

00:52:53.600 Like you do, like I do, it should be heavy on everybody.

00:52:57.240 Um, but, um, he's been very clear with me, warn, warn, warn, warn.

00:53:03.920 And, and I hate that, you know, cause it's like, I, can I, some solutions?

00:53:10.140 And so I try to balance it, but I don't find the balance.

00:53:15.120 I know a lot of people that listen to me go, I get it, but I don't, he's not been, the only

00:53:22.400 thing he's been clear with me on is, uh, after right before the collapse in between Bear

00:53:28.840 Stearns and Lehman Brothers, right?

00:53:31.080 Lehman Brothers was the big collapse, um, in between that time, um, uh, I, I, I had a

00:53:42.000 falling out with him.

00:53:42.880 I was arrogant and he had told me to risk my career on warning of a collapse and I did and

00:53:52.600 I followed him and I did exactly what he said.

00:53:54.600 And then Bear Stearns collapsed and nothing happened.

00:53:56.980 And in my arrogance, I said, really, I've lost stations, I've lost credibility, I've

00:54:02.780 lost everything.

00:54:03.720 That was it?

00:54:05.000 All of that for this?

00:54:07.440 He stopped talking to me for like a month and a half.

00:54:10.960 And, uh, I really felt I had lost my best friend.

00:54:15.140 I was lost.

00:54:15.980 I didn't know what to do.

00:54:17.760 And, uh, he finally started talking to me again after I was humbled enough.

00:54:22.660 And, uh, the first thing he said to me was build the framework of hope.

00:54:28.020 Hmm.

00:54:28.620 I don't even know what that means.

00:54:30.220 I still don't.

00:54:31.280 But that's why I started Mercury One.

00:54:33.460 And that's what I, for the first time, Mercury, it's taken 11 years to build it into, uh, something

00:54:40.640 that has the strength in the legs to be able to provide it.

00:54:46.460 Yeah.

00:54:46.680 But that's what I saw in the hurricane.

00:54:48.680 I saw nobody showing up for these people.

00:54:51.540 And when we showed up with our helicopters, our food, our medicine, hope was there.

00:54:57.780 Yes.

00:54:58.220 And man, I'd just like to do that full time.

00:55:02.040 I'd like to stop the reporting and just do the reforming.

00:55:06.420 Well, God bless you for, for all that you are doing.

00:55:09.340 And you're inspiring so many of us, me included.

00:55:11.800 Um, you, you, you are, you are an inspiration.

00:55:14.140 Your courage is contagious.

00:55:16.980 Um, and we have to remember that cowardice is also contagious.

00:55:20.600 Um, and there is a very important role for the watchman on the wall.

00:55:25.620 If the watchman doesn't blow his horn and let everybody know that the enemy is coming,

00:55:29.380 the blood will be on his, his head.

00:55:31.280 Oh no, you don't have to remind me.

00:55:32.460 I know.

00:55:33.140 Sorry.

00:55:33.720 Sorry.

00:55:34.240 Didn't, didn't mean to.

00:55:36.080 I got that.

00:55:37.240 To beat you again with the, with the Ezekiel stick. 0.98

00:55:39.320 Um, but, but what you're doing is, uh, is so important.

00:55:45.260 And I think of, uh, you know, I go, why don't, why doesn't the family of faith get a bigger

00:55:51.080 mission and vision?

00:55:53.760 You've got it.

00:55:55.100 You, you've got Mercury one and so many other things that you're doing.

00:55:58.020 I think it is starting to happen.

00:55:59.800 It is.

00:56:00.040 And this is the very crucible that I think produces bigger vision, vision of victory,

00:56:06.460 the need for personal, um, integrity training and strong families.

00:56:12.160 This is, these are the hard times that produce strong men.

00:56:15.260 Yes.

00:56:16.480 Yes.

00:56:17.360 We've gone through easier times that have produced weak men.

00:56:21.040 I love how Jordan Peterson says, if you think strong men are dangerous, uh, get ready.

00:56:25.240 And for what weak men are potential potential can potentially do.

00:56:29.320 Yeah.

00:56:29.900 They're dangerous.

00:56:31.020 And this is where we are.

00:56:33.280 I saw all these strong men in hurricane.

00:56:35.560 I saw all these men who were former seals.

00:56:38.540 They were, you know, airborne.

00:56:41.560 They were just vets.

00:56:42.820 Yeah.

00:56:43.080 And they all came in and they were like, yeah, that's not going to work.

00:56:47.440 Here's what we do.

00:56:48.520 And it was strong men standing up and taking charge of their own communities in it with grace

00:56:56.520 and dignity and humility, but taking charge and being men.

00:57:00.820 And it was inspiring.

00:57:02.600 It is.

00:57:02.880 It is so inspiring.

00:57:04.140 I, I, I love it.

00:57:05.740 I, I feel the rumblings of a new spiritual, cultural awakening in my heart.

00:57:13.280 I see people's eyes opening up and they're getting, they're, they're, they're, they're,

00:57:20.260 they're on mission.

00:57:21.400 Moms, dads, grandparents.

00:57:23.380 Um, and, and they're standing up, they're speaking up, they're leaning in.

00:57:27.540 I, I love seeing the homeschool movement.

00:57:29.940 I love seeing people pioneering something and taking back the sacred role of parenting and

00:57:37.780 not farming that out to other people.

00:57:39.720 And whether it's homeschool or a great private school or a co-op or a network or whatever

00:57:43.580 it is, whatever it is, don't farm the most precious gift you've been given out to other 1.00

00:57:49.840 people who want to use them as useful idiots to advance their nefarious causes. 0.99

00:57:55.580 And that sounds extreme, but it's what they're doing. 1.00

00:57:58.200 They, they're literally chopping up children's bodies and telling them that good is evil and

00:58:05.060 evil is good.

00:58:05.460 So, um, courageous being courageous, uh, starts in the little things.

00:58:11.540 And when we're faithful in the little things, God then gives us opportunities to be in charge

00:58:15.380 of greater things.

00:58:16.200 And I think that's why you, you've been in charge of, of such a great big, um, operation

00:58:22.440 like you have here is because you have been faithful in smaller things.

00:58:28.200 And you can be trusted with bigger things.

00:58:31.180 Well, I give the credit to God and the people who, you know, are running everything.

00:58:36.360 They're, they're so, they're so much better than I am.

00:58:39.760 So how do we choose?

00:58:43.360 How do you get out and break the cycle of pessimism?

00:58:47.780 Because it, it is critical.

00:58:50.280 That's what's killing us.

00:58:51.320 We don't believe we see Goliath and we don't understand, we don't understand a single rock

00:58:59.700 will bring that thing down.

00:59:00.980 We don't understand the, the clay feet idea.

00:59:05.100 It's just, it's too enormous.

00:59:06.640 And so we dismiss ourselves.

00:59:08.880 We talked about that.

00:59:10.280 How do you, how do you get past the, we're not going to make it?

00:59:20.040 Faith, faith.

00:59:22.900 You've got to, you've got to see the bigger picture and you've got to trust that there

00:59:30.780 is a bigger cause than what's right in front of you.

00:59:34.020 Think of the stock market.

00:59:35.440 I look at a, a, a, a, a, I mean, you can, they, they, they do this with lots of things

00:59:41.260 to deceive people.

00:59:42.340 But if you look at a graph over time, if you, if you narrow the field of view, you can get

00:59:47.480 everyone thinking that the earth is getting colder.

00:59:50.220 The earth is getting hotter.

00:59:51.480 Culture is declining and it's never been this bad ever before.

00:59:55.400 But if it's like the stock market, it's like, it's like a recession, zoom out.

00:59:59.320 And he's like, oh my gosh, this has happened before.

01:00:02.080 In fact, this is actually pretty good compared to how it was a long, long time ago.

01:00:07.340 And when you look at, I call it a white cap.

01:00:15.340 On the top of a tsunami, the good that is advanced in this world over time, over the

01:00:23.800 last 5,000 years is so massive.

01:00:26.920 It's so good.

01:00:28.140 The quality of life for people, the opportunity, the freedom, the wealth, the, the, the length

01:00:33.580 of life, all of that has been swelling and growing like a tsunami.

01:00:38.280 And what we're experiencing with our, our myopic view is what's happening right now, right

01:00:44.920 in front of me.

01:00:45.580 And it looks like a perfect storm.

01:00:47.520 And it's really a white cap on top of a tsunami that's washing over the, the, the earth, in

01:00:53.600 my opinion, that there is this victory that is so inevitable of good over evil of, of hope

01:01:03.780 over despair that we've, we've, we just need to, we need to get on our surfboard and, and

01:01:11.840 ride that white cap.

01:01:14.800 And God's going to take us on his program to a, a, a great ending to this whole story.

01:01:21.220 I don't know how all the details are going to work themselves out, but if we have a vision

01:01:25.940 like that, uh, then you, it starts to make sense why David was able to do what he did.

01:01:31.140 Why Caleb was able to do what he did.

01:01:32.560 Why Moses was able to do what he did while King Alfred up against the Vikings who were

01:01:36.640 just slaughtering everybody.

01:01:38.120 And all of England was able to stand with his men and capture Guthrum.

01:01:44.240 And instead of cutting his head off, he deployed Christian principles and made him a ruler of

01:01:49.900 a portion of the kingdom.

01:01:50.780 If he would agree to the treaty of Wedmore, which forced him to treat, um, uh, Saxon and

01:01:57.300 Scandinavian equally under the law.

01:01:59.280 He was baptized as a Christian, was given a Christian name and he then worked as an ally

01:02:05.840 with Alfred to return England to that golden era where they loved the scriptures and their

01:02:12.120 law was based off of the Sermon on the Mount and the 10 commandments.

01:02:16.360 He revolutionized everything when everyone thought all hope was lost.

01:02:20.140 Why?

01:02:20.760 Because he, he saw my trials are a white cap on the top of a tsunami of God's sovereignty

01:02:27.980 and his faithfulness.

01:02:29.880 And I think we can do the same today.

01:02:31.240 I barely heard what you just said because I was having something happening in my own

01:02:39.860 head.

01:02:40.460 I was told once that happens with my wife all the time, but don't, don't tell you, I know.

01:02:46.900 Um, uh, I was told once a guy who I really respected came into my office and said, where are all

01:02:55.580 your heroes?

01:02:56.140 Where are the pictures of your heroes?

01:02:57.320 And I said, uh, what do you mean?

01:03:01.260 And he said, when you're in really tough times, you're not going to make it unless you have

01:03:06.160 some people that you look to.

01:03:08.140 Yes.

01:03:08.560 That you say, I want to be like that.

01:03:11.220 Yes.

01:03:11.680 And you can immediately connect decisions are easy.

01:03:16.100 He wouldn't, what would he do?

01:03:17.140 Right.

01:03:17.520 Right.

01:03:18.340 And, uh, Dietrich Bonhoeffer has been one of my, uh, heroes.

01:03:22.940 Raoul Wallenberg is my number one.

01:03:25.160 And also the, and I can't remember his name.

01:03:27.080 He was the priest that was put into, uh, the, uh, concentration camp that was just turning

01:03:33.840 everybody.

01:03:34.260 And just like, everybody was happy around him because he was happy.

01:03:38.060 Uh, and they finally put him in a hole underneath one of the barracks where it was absolutely

01:03:44.060 miserable.

01:03:44.820 And like six people in there and you could hear the wailing and everything else of these

01:03:50.860 people in there.

01:03:51.480 Well, they put him in there expecting they're going to make him miserable.

01:03:55.360 And instead, within a day, he had all of them singing. 0.91

01:03:59.980 It was so the opposite that they actually had to just shoot him or inject him with drugs 0.95

01:04:06.680 to kill him right away because he was turning even the most miserable happy to God. 0.96

01:04:14.220 And I'm listening to you speak and I'm looking you in the eyes. 0.97

01:04:19.040 And I was thinking about, I was thinking about asking you, who do you want to be?

01:04:26.560 And I realized, I think I want to be you.

01:04:30.740 I think you are a remarkable, remarkable man.

01:04:35.660 Wow, Glenn, those are such strong words.

01:04:41.560 I, I, I don't, uh, not prepared to know what to say.

01:04:45.480 Um, but I agree that heroes are important.

01:04:50.460 That that's what I look to.

01:04:52.100 I looked, I have a friend who recently died.

01:04:54.620 His name is Dr. Marshall Foster.

01:04:56.680 And, uh, he wrote a book called the American covenant.

01:04:59.000 And I taught through that book when I was locked in California in my backyard during the pandemic

01:05:04.760 because our governor wouldn't let us go anywhere.

01:05:07.480 And, uh, I just made a campfire every night.

01:05:09.840 I called it the American campfire revival.

01:05:11.300 I remember.

01:05:11.820 I taught through that book and it told me about all these heroes of the past and it's on their

01:05:16.760 shoulders that we stand.

01:05:18.200 And, um, the governor of the pilgrims is, is one of those William Bradford, um, uh, pastor

01:05:25.740 Robinson, uh, who, who, who sort of shepherded that flock.

01:05:29.480 Um, Alfred was one of them.

01:05:31.900 St. Patrick was another one of them sold into slavery at 16 years old, uh, from England goes

01:05:39.060 off with these Druid priests and he's tending sheep somewhere.

01:05:42.520 And he eventually gets this vision.

01:05:44.340 He escapes.

01:05:45.200 He, he, he, he, he, he finds his way out.

01:05:47.680 And then he hears these voices.

01:05:49.300 I imagine in an Irish accent, you know, young boy, come back and free your people. 1.00

01:05:56.120 I'm sure they didn't sound like that, but, but, but he ends up taking some friends and

01:06:01.680 a, and a Bible and he goes back in there and he challenges the Druid Kings who would have 1.00

01:06:07.100 just cut his head off.

01:06:08.400 And he makes a fire on top of a hill, breaking all of the laws. 0.94

01:06:11.820 And then he goes in and ends up converting the King.

01:06:14.000 And now you have these Irish missionaries going out to the rest of the world.

01:06:16.960 He's, I love that story of him.

01:06:18.440 This is a 16 year old kid who was off into slavery.

01:06:23.000 And I think heroes like that, um, the scriptures even tell us these stories in the Bible of our

01:06:29.980 heroes, they were written for our examples.

01:06:33.600 There is the faith hall of fame.

01:06:35.560 And those are all the heroes that give us stamina and staying power, uh, today.

01:06:44.140 Thank you for coming, man.

01:06:45.920 Thank you for having me here.

01:06:47.520 Great discussion.

01:06:48.740 Thank you for letting me, uh, just interact with you over, over these principles.

01:06:52.660 Name of the book is born to be brave by Kirk Cameron.

01:06:57.540 Thank you, man.

01:06:58.860 God bless you.

01:07:05.260 Just a reminder, I'd love you to rate and subscribe to the podcast and pass this on to a friend

01:07:10.800 so it can be discovered by other people.

01:07:28.320 Thank you.

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The Glenn Beck Program - October 12, 2024

Ep 231 ｜ Kirk Cameron： Christians CAN Save This Country ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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