Ep 231 ｜ Kirk Cameron： Christians CAN Save This Country ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast
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Summary
Glenn Beck explains why he wears a bullet-proof vest to read a book about God to children in a public library in America. He also explains why Christians need to understand that being a Christian in the future in America will come with penalties.
Transcript
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My guest on today's podcast had to put on a bulletproof vest to read a book about God to children in a public library in America.
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Even still, he is hopeful that the challenges our nation faces today may be a divine setup for a spiritual comeback.
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With the 2024 election looming, he has perspective, and it's a heavenly perspective because it's full of hope.
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But it's real hope about America's destiny, but also yours personally.
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Please welcome a man you know from multiple films and most certainly from the hit sitcom Growing Pains.
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The author of many books, his latest, Born to be Brave.
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Welcome to the Glenn Beck Podcast, Kirk Cameron.
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First, before we get to Kirk, I want to tell you about the glasses that I have.
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So you had to wear a bulletproof vest at a library?
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I debated whether or not to put that out there so that now people know the next time I show up at a library.
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Yeah, I did because we've had so many stories in the media and people in the entertainment industry who just had the crazy show up.
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And I typically get kind of close to people to say hi and how are you because they're moms and they're dads and they're kids.
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And sure enough, we had people with backpacks full of things they should not have in lines.
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And so, yeah, we had the detail of the executive protection crews and the police were there at these places.
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How weird is that that you were reading a book about the Holy Spirit and you have to wear a bulletproof vest?
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Because the way I look at it as the opposition is not playing around.
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They're serious as a heart attack about capturing the future and controlling and centralizing the power.
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And the biggest threat to that is Christianity and its application to the family and to all of culture.
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So Christians need to understand this isn't just a, you know, let's just have a good time, sing some church songs and look forward to heaven.
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The days of us just gathering with a guitar in our church and singing and then going home, those are coming to a quick end.
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I mean, you still celebrate and everything else, but being a Christian in the future in America is going to come with penalties, I think, or could.
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And that often is the bravery, courage, character training that I think we as humans benefit from.
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However, I know that it's always during the difficult, challenging times of my life, professionally, personally, in my marriage or in my career, that is where my convictions are formed.
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My eyes open up and I go, what the hell am I doing?
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And I think that these kinds of trials and challenges are actually good for us.
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Even if, you know, I want to talk about politics later, but even if the election doesn't go the way I hope it does, it's going to be good for us.
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Whatever it is that we're supposed to go through is going to put us exactly where we need to be.
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How can I change and return back to basic principles that are universal principles?
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People are turning back to each other and back to first principles.
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You know, what's happening in Asheville and North Carolina and Georgia and Tennessee is really pretty miraculous.
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We haven't seen this kind of coming together, I think, since 9-11.
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We were speaking just a moment ago to the gentleman here, and I've got a buddy who's up there who's got a group of volunteer men who have finally felt like they've got a bigger mission than the many missions that they receive at their church or at their job or whatever.
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And they feel like they're helping to rescue and rebuild and renew people's lives and their families.
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And I think that's what all of us want to be about.
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I think having a sense of vision and mission is super important.
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That's why you're doing all the different network things that you do is that you want to make an impact and a difference.
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And I think that when hurricanes like this happen, when 9-11s happen, when other things happen, when marriages begin to collapse, this then focuses us.
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And when we capture a vision of victory and we lean in to that courage that we can have, knowing that there's a superintending hand working it all for good, I think that's when life gets exciting.
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I think it's a—even if you don't—I happen to believe that we may be living in times.
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I know people have always said that, but that doesn't scare me.
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But even if not, what a privilege to live at this time, because—especially if you're awake, because it's pushing you up against the wall.
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And if you don't look away from it and you just deal with it, you become a much stronger, much better person.
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And if it is the end times, it's given me more of a motivation to spend the rest of my life building the kingdom.
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Prepare the way has always been like, yeah, well, that's kind of distant.
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We should have been living this way the whole time, and we should continue living this way.
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But for me, at least, it has a new kind of emphasis.
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And by the way, I'm a little ADD at the moment.
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I'm kind of knocked out that I'm on your show, and we're talking about this stuff with you.
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No, well, you are a veritable giant in the space, and so I'm grateful to be here, and I get to engage with you on this kind of stuff.
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End times, that'd be a whole fun other subject.
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I'd rather think that the old covenant era was wrapping up, and that whole world was coming to an end, and that the new way is beginning.
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And all my Christian evangelical friends will scream at me for my fringy beliefs.
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Nobody's going to know the time, but if it does happen, we shouldn't be afraid of it.
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Well, I agree with what you're saying about the perspective.
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There's a quote in The Lord of the Rings by Gandalf the Grey, and he's saying to Frodo, who is terrified about the things happening to him.
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And he was talking about the evil, and Frodo's, I wish this wasn't happening.
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And Frodo is like, yeah, nobody wants this stuff to happen, but we're not in control of that.
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He said, other evils there are that shall come, for even Sauron himself is but an emissary or a servant.
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But it is not our task to master all the tides of the world, but rather to do what is in us for the help of those years wherein we have been set.
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I love that because these are the very moments that have been decreed for you and I to be on this planet and every mom and dad and grandparent and young person to stand on the stage of the world and do everything in you to uproot evil and plant seeds of truth, beauty, goodness, strength, honor.
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Virtue, so that God is honored and that those who live after us will have a world to build on.
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I know there are really good people that have lived their life that whole way, but I haven't lived my whole life that way.
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It took, you know, it's taken a long journey, but again, I just feel like I am more focused than ever.
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I don't think my generation is going to be the one to solve it.
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You know, I just know I have to do what I'm supposed to do right now and how that turns out, whether that I don't know what that is.
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I just know Billy Graham told me one time I said, where is, you know, where's where's the next you, Billy?
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I've met him when he got his star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame.
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So, he said, God's tired of giving people like me credit.
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Believe me, anything good that I've been involved with in my life was his work.
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And he said, but God isn't looking for a star this time.
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He is looking for every single person just to listen to his voice.
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And he's going to ask everybody to do something.
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In fact, most people will dismiss it as, well, that's not going to change anything.
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He said, but those who are faithful will do just that.
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And he said, when it comes time, the lights will come on and it will be a mosaic of things that only the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob could have assembled.
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And it will be apparent and he will finally get the credit.
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And that gives significance to the mom who feels like she is thanklessly raising her children day in and day out, changing diapers, blessing and praying and feeding and cleaning and doing all of the things.
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Of course, I was having this conversation with my son yesterday.
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I drove a 20 foot U-Haul towing a Jeep behind the U-Haul through like five states and it was a 17 hour drive and we just talked the whole time.
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And we had this conversation of like the seemingly insignificant is massively influential from God's perspective.
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Do you think that they thought getting on a little ship that was meant to go port to port in England with half their church having to stay behind because the other ships sprung a leak, leaving their pastor, going over with with no army to speak of.
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They had some Bibles and some chickens and they land in the wilderness and what did they do?
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They didn't they didn't see the fruit that was produced from laying their faces down in the mud and blowing bubbles.
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So their children could step on their backs as stepping stones to get to a community that would shine as a light to the entire world.
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And either does the praying mom, either does the dad working three jobs and either does the guy that made this microphone who now is allowing you and I to talk and share this message with millions of people.
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I don't think much about it, but when it's not working, everything else shuts down.
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Everyone looks at the mouth and the eyes and the hands, but my hand is useless without an arm, right?
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And that's what Paul says in the scriptures is that we have one body, many members.
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And if we do our work with courage, faith and love, I believe that we can realign our own hearts, our homes and the entire nation with heaven's values.
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I saw people come up and say, I don't know what I have to offer.
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I just, I felt like I was supposed to be here to help.
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And what they had to offer fit perfectly with what was needed.
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You know, it's just, it's just listening to the spirit and being willing to serve.
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You know, like, like Billy said, God gets all the credit.
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And that is, I'm seeing it happen, which is so exciting.
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I think we're in for a, let me say it this way.
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God will have a humble people and he will have a people that really understand who he is.
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And I don't know if we're humble enough yet for him.
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And, uh, I just think on that road, we're just going to see miracle after miracle after miracle.
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And I, I think there's a real awakening coming.
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And there's wisdom in a parent who sees their teenager going down the wrong road.
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And ultimately you have to point them to God and to the front door.
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You can't make their decisions for them as adults.
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And so sometimes life teaches the lesson that they will not hear from a parent.
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And I see that happening on a national level with us.
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And if, and a good parent actually lets their child fall and hit, hit, hit the pavement if
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Could it be that, that God in heaven is allowing his children, the family of faith to actually
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experience the consequences of taking prayer out of school, taking the 10 commandments
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out of our legal system, uh, taking gender and making it a social construct, mutilating
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children's bodies and murdering children and say, that's really where you want to go to
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and fit in with whatever it is that's giving you, uh, benefits.
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Well, let's just have that and just see how you like it.
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And that's often the times when great awakenings occur.
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When politically it's awful, economically there's a collapse, morally it's disgusting,
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Then all of a sudden people say, what have we done?
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And I'm hoping that that is going to be the case here in our country again.
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It's the gods of the copy book headings by Rudyard Kipling.
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And basically he's saying we rejected truth because it, it wasn't exciting and it didn't
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promise us, you know, that, you know, horses had wings and, and, you know, pigs were wishes.
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And so we've went our own way, but all of these truths will return one way or another
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And, um, I, I think we're beginning to see that, you know, I, I was in, I hate to keep
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bringing up the hurricane, but I was encouraged to see, um, the two different theories.
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And the country learned, you know what, it's actually good for us to be the ones who are
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FEMA can come in as the second responder and help us help them, but we have to do it as,
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Uh, and then with all of the disorder in the world, here comes Ron DeSantis and says, I've
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And once the trouble is passed, then you can come out.
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But I've already taken care of this, this, and this.
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You see that the sheriff coming out, uh, yesterday saying, by the way, we have shelters, but if
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you're a, if you're a sex offender, you cannot go to these shelters, but we have another shelter
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That shows again, order that we don't even get at our border now.
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It was just like, look, you're in a different category.
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I think, um, again, my son and I were having this, this conversation.
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It's so cool when, when kids, um, are old enough to have adult conversations with them
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and then you start to learn from them and he's saying, dad, there's a certain comfort
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There's a lot less stress in the sense that, well, I don't have to go out there and figure
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They're going to just tell me what I'm going to do or they're going to provide for me.
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But then there's also obviously the great danger of it.
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But the whole American idea of self-governance that FEMA will never be my first responder.
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FEMA, I'm sorry, the, the department of education is never going to be the first responder with
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regard to what my children think, how they operate.
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The government should never be the first responder with healthcare.
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They should never be the responder, uh, with, with all of these things, the food supply,
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We can do this better because we love one another as neighbors.
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We know each other, we're family, we're friends, we're a community, but we've got to
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And, uh, uh, Alex de Tocqueville was quoted as saying that America is good, uh, not because
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of her government or her money or her harbors or her commerce or even her constitution or even
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the democracy, it's because her pulpits were aflame with righteousness and America is great
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If she ever forgets and stops being good, she will never be great again.
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So we've got to have moral character and we've got to have courage to stand up against the
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Eyes are opening, ears are hearing, people are beginning to stand and begin to do the
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And that is a great threat to the, the, the, the, the big network monsters that want us
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So let me take you back to the beginning of our conversation.
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You were wearing a bulletproof vest because they cannot allow this to happen.
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Anyone, Elon Musk, he was the darling of the left until he disagreed with some of their policies.
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So what, you know, I know you believe in, and so do I, you got to live your life.
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You've got to be engaged and you don't want to, you don't want to doom, uh, scroll all the
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How do you blend that to where you're not too far one way, too far the other way?
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Well, um, great question because I wrestle with that every day.
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I heard a quote once from somebody, Glenn, who said, I wake up every morning torn between
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two strong desires to save the world, to savor the world and to save the world, which makes
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And so I've got a personal strategy just to remain sane.
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And that is, um, I, I imagine, uh, my spheres of influence and responsibility and then keeping
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So like I'm putting this mug in the center of a round table and imagine this small circle
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And I say, I want to savor the small things of my day.
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When I wake up and see my granddaughter's face, I want to just enjoy that and kiss my
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The medium is the stuff I can get my hands on and do like this book or a kid's TV show
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or go, um, you know, do a talk show or whatever and know that that will be multiplied if it's
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I'm going to let go of the large, which is decisions that Kamala Harris is making decisions
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And then I'm going to celebrate the cosmic, the largest circle of all of them, knowing
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what you said earlier, that God is the blessed controller of all things, working it all for
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And so that allows me to work hard, face the challenges with courage and also take heart
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when I look around and see that the enemies are, appear to be much bigger than me.
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It's because I know that there is someone whose size is so magnificent that he makes the giants
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Let me take and speak directly to, based on what you just said, because you could take
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You're saying, I'm going to do the things I can that's on the table.
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But there's a lot of Christians that'll say, I'm just going to pray.
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And I think it's, I think it's immoral when you think about it.
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And, and I don't, I don't want to say this, this is not a smack down.
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Like I, I wrestle through all these things myself and I get it.
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People don't want to vote between the lesser of two evils or they say, I don't want to,
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you know, attach, hitch my, my, you know, my truck to, to, to, to that guy or that girl.
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Um, but at the end of the day, um, we have been given the great privilege that people
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We get to legally vote to select our representatives.
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But if we just sit it out, that means that the worst of the two options has one less vote
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to get, to get into power, to just destroy the future for your children.
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So we've got to go with, we're always, last time I checked, Jesus wasn't on the ballot.
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Um, and so we're always going to be voting for one of two broken people and, uh, nobody's
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And so we've got to go with the best option that we have available to us knowing that
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It's the guys that are doing in Nashville, what FEMA is not doing.
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The first responders need to be moms and dads building culture in their homes.
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And then the executive branch can provide some air cover.
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If they're doing their job to keep the evil away so we can do the good from the inside
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And if you don't pay attention to that, the air cover can suddenly become enemy fire.
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Now, now we have our own air cover firing at us.
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And parents who are removing their children from pornography infested schools are being
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Parents who are not even aware that their child is wanting a gender change surgery are
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being penalized and laws are being put into place that will take those children away from
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them and have the parents pay for their surgery in a safe house.
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I mean, we have senators in California where I used to live that are saying, if you love
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Because they've been there for 10 years and they've seen where this is going.
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But like you said, this could be our finest hour.
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This could be tomorrow's history books looking back going, they got to the point where they
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were calling murdering babies reproductive care and they were mutilating children.
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They captured a vision of victory that it was actually possible like heroes of the past
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and they leaned into what was true and beautiful and good.
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God came to their aid and there was a massive turnaround.
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It's interesting to me that when you say the lesser of two evils, as you say, you're never
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But to allow someone to make the decision for your children's future, we are creating
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It's about tomorrow and the next day and the next day.
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And if I vote for Donald Trump and he suddenly starts going off the Constitution and becoming
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But then it's my responsibility to stand against him.
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You just think people vote and they think, well, that's a blank check.
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You know, if Kamala Harris became a dictator, I would, of course, stand and I would hope
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that others that voted for her would stand together and say unconstitutional.
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Now, I don't know if we do that, you know, en masse because people are so hypnotized by
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It just, it has to be about right and wrong and our principles.
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Our Constitution is only for a moral and religious and educated people because it gives people
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And if you don't know right from wrong and you're not rooted in your convictions, if you're
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not driving stakes into the ground saying, here I am, here I stand, God help me, we're
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so easily manipulated and people will give up their guns, they'll give up their freedoms,
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they'll give their, they'll, they'll sacrifice their own children at the altar of the new
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secular church, which is public schools, and they are taught evil is good and good is evil
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and the new provider and protector is the state, the government, rather than the God who gave
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But that's not everybody's fault entirely because we're not even being taught those things
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I mean, it was, it was in the water, it was in the air.
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Our founders told us that and, you know, you, you, you know that more than anyone.
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It's amazing how we, how Satan has just taken everything and perverted all of it.
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I heard somebody talking the other day, you know, that on Sundays you go to church and you,
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you, to remember him and my belief is to read, you know, commit to your baptismal covenants
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and ask for forgiveness, you bless the bread and the wine and this is my body.
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The left is now saying, this is my body and I'm going to give up that body, that child for
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That is such a clear inversion of the gospel, which is, that's, that's how you know.
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What, what, what, what, what a striking way to position that.
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Jesus said, I'm going to lay, I'm going to lay that life down so I can live.
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Yeah, that's, that's, that's, that's flipping, uh, truth and beauty and goodness on its head
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and, and selling people evil in the name of, uh, what's, what's, what's loving and inclusive.
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You, um, how do you answer people on a couple of things?
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Um, you just said this gives people too much freedom.
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I think it gives ignorant people too much freedom.
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That's why you have to self-educate and, and be responsible for yourself because you're
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Um, or with a wife or with a child or with anything, with anything, you can really cause
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But that's up to you to be responsible, to recognize that responsibility.
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You talk about, um, conforming our culture and everything, um, closer to biblical principles.
00:33:14.120
How do you, how do you, how do you explain that to people who don't necessarily are good
00:33:23.840
Um, and, and ultimately, so, so let me, let me just re, re, re, uh, state the, the question.
00:33:31.800
I talk about wanting to have heaven's values, which I, uh, believe are the biblical values,
00:33:42.420
And, uh, that is simply a return to the principles that created this country and that has led to
00:33:54.700
Um, unlike other countries, uh, you, you're going to have some philosophy or worldview that
00:33:59.940
creates a culture that is usually going to benefit certain classes or groups of people
00:34:05.440
and others, but more people want to come to the United States.
00:34:08.120
There's more freedom, more opportunity for business, for education, for, for religious
00:34:12.080
freedom, no matter what you are, you can be an atheist, a Buddhist, a Hindu, you can be
00:34:16.280
black, or you're going to be white, all these things.
00:34:18.040
Um, now we revert back to low, our lower natures and we, and we stray away from the biblical
00:34:24.340
principles and then we suffer and we injure one another.
00:34:27.060
I'm talking about getting back to the good ones.
00:34:29.560
And, um, what, what I loved was a quote from Richard Dawkins, famous atheist, probably one
00:34:38.840
of the most famous proponents of atheistic, uh, Darwinian evolution.
00:34:43.160
And he was asked the question and I had to go read the quote myself, uh, from the source.
00:34:48.220
And he was asked the question, what kind of civil, what worldview produces the best kinds
00:34:52.940
If you could choose a Muslim country, an atheist country, a Marxist country, he said, Oh, undoubtedly
00:35:01.760
He said, because, um, any other types of civilizations, I, I, I could potentially be in
00:35:08.540
If I could be all these other things, he's like, they definitely produce the most family
00:35:15.660
I don't, I don't care that church attendance is declining because I think the whole premise
00:35:21.060
is just a fairy tale, but I like those saying that you want to only live in a Christian civilization
00:35:27.600
and culture country, but don't care that church attendance is declining is like saying I love
00:35:36.140
produce and I want lots of it in the grocery store, but I'm not concerned that all the
00:35:46.140
You can't neglect the faith, the story, the philosophy, the worldview that produces the
00:35:58.780
You know, like, like ignore the roots, just snip them.
00:36:02.940
See how long your beautiful apple tree stays beautiful.
00:36:09.040
Some would say that that's Christian nationalism.
00:36:23.400
They don't, they don't, people don't understand the concept you talk about in your book of two
00:36:32.020
I'm a citizen of the kingdom of heaven and I'm a citizen of the United States.
00:36:36.680
The word citizen, I learned this from my friend, Bill Federer, William Federer, historian.
00:36:40.660
He pointed out that the word citizen is very important.
00:36:48.040
We are citizens, which literally means to be a co-king.
00:36:51.740
We are ruling together as we, the people, and those who are in office are our representatives.
00:37:08.120
What was the first part of the question you asked me?
00:37:11.880
I just said people don't understand that, you know, we have two citizenships, Christian
00:37:18.900
Listen, that's what we were talking about, that, you know, do you know who hates nationalists?
00:37:34.560
Christian nationalism is just a slur that has been thrown at people who love God, who love
00:37:44.260
That's what we, we, that's what we, we wave the flags and we say, God bless America.
00:37:48.560
And I'm thankful for my grandpa who fought in World War II.
00:37:51.740
Now they call nationalists and they want to, why?
00:37:55.580
Because at the very top, what they want is a giant global power structure that controls
00:38:03.880
all the food, controls all the money, controls all the everythings.
00:38:12.100
Take the good guys and just turn them into little Nazis.
00:38:14.860
You see, you see what they're talking about with food, with farming, with, with the control
00:38:28.640
I mean, I just don't know how they've convinced themselves that, oh yeah, no, we, we got this
00:38:39.640
And you've got, you've got these, these, these giants.
00:38:42.640
I wonder what their cocktail party and dinner parties are like.
00:38:46.020
I actually, I don't want to know, but, but again, this is an opportunity for us.
00:38:52.140
I think as, as, you know, I, I, I'm not a big, you know, I'm not a giant mover or shaker.
00:38:59.320
I'm not pulling big levers that are affecting culture, but what I do know is that God can
00:39:05.560
feed 5,000 people with a couple of, a couple of loaves and a couple of fish.
00:39:09.580
I know that he multiplies what he loves and that some little baby in a cradle somewhere
00:39:15.320
was raised by a woman and he turns into George Washington or turns into one of the pilgrims
00:39:21.140
or turns into somebody who makes a giant difference.
00:39:24.160
And it wasn't, and going back to our conversation, it wasn't just, he just didn't, you're George
00:39:29.560
It came from the seeds planted by the pilgrims.
00:39:37.700
And then even his character has to be formed by going through the valleys and the, and the
00:39:42.100
fires, and then you get to do what you're doing.
00:39:44.260
And so if, if we can start with that kind of thinking, I think that then frames the future
00:39:51.220
for us, gives us ground to stand on, put steel in our backbone, wind in our sails.
00:39:56.580
And we can say what David said, I, I, I, I'm coming and I'm representing the God of heaven.
00:40:05.120
Even if all my brothers are over there, their knees are knocking and they're shaking in their
00:40:09.260
boots, I know that there is a cause for which God will help me.
00:40:16.580
And, uh, my prayer is Lord, keep me humble and my eyes focused in the right direction.
00:40:23.120
And I know you're going to take care of the rest.
00:40:30.420
Imagine if you had the ability just to wave your hand and abortion would no longer be legal.
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Imagine the lives that you could save in that moment.
00:40:41.520
And also if you would wave the massive magic wand where it would be illegal, suddenly we'd
00:40:48.420
still be in trouble because we have to change people's hearts and that takes work.
00:40:54.260
And you can save lives and change people's hearts by donating to the pre-born ministry.
00:41:01.720
Uh, they, they, they empower young expectant mothers in crisis to choose life, empower them.
00:41:08.300
First, they've rescued hundreds of thousands of babies through ultrasounds.
00:41:12.220
This is why Planned Parenthood doesn't want ultrasounds around because when you go to a
00:41:17.000
pre-born center, she gets to hear the baby's heartbeat and see the child on ultrasound.
00:41:22.020
And that changes everything, doubles the chance that mom's going to choose life.
00:41:26.120
But then you also have to have compassion for the mom because a lot of these moms, they, they,
00:41:32.540
They don't have anyone in their life supporting them.
00:41:36.040
However, this is where pre-born comes in on the second level.
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They help with everything for the first two years.
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Just say the keyword baby pound two 50 keyword baby.
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Or you can go online at pre-born.com slash Glenn.
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I don't like the way, like in 2016, a lot of people, and I saw it happen.
00:42:11.280
Oh, he's going to take care of all the problems.
00:42:14.040
And, and equally, I don't like the idea of so many Christians saying, well, he's not perfect.
00:42:28.680
It's never, it's, I believe it's just the guy who will stand up and do what he's asked to do.
00:42:42.880
But when I saw Trump get up off the stage and that bullet missed him by that, I mean, that, I'm sorry, was a God thing.
00:43:01.100
But he's just the guy who will just get up again and say, keep going, keep going.
00:43:19.620
And I have, I have witnessed as I've been going to schools and libraries and, and churches and places that people have been scared to the point where they kind of think maybe we can't turn this around.
00:43:38.700
You know, I have, I, some people will say I have long-term optimism for, you know, goodness in the ether, but I have short-term pessimism when it comes to our chances here in this country.
00:43:49.920
And, um, I, I don't like that because that negates all the stuff that we've been talking about right now.
00:43:56.420
The, the, the way that, that God often uses unlikely people, uh, with nothing to offer, but a willingness to stand and do what's been put in front of me to accomplish the greatest tasks.
00:44:08.080
Um, I believe that people need to stop thinking that the opposition is so great.
00:44:17.660
Big tech, big pharma, big medical, big government, big everything is just, that's, that's like, that's their Achilles heel.
00:44:24.920
And I see the fear in their eyes and they feel bad that their children were born in such a time as this.
00:44:31.160
It reminds me when Moses was taking, uh, the, the, the children of Israel into the promised land and sends 12 men in to the land of Canaan.
00:44:40.300
And they come back and they go, no, no, no, no, no, guys, we, we picked the wrong place.
00:44:49.400
But then there's one named Caleb who says, uh, no, um, remember what Moses said.
00:44:54.860
He said, you might think that your enemies and opponents are too big for you to drive out the land, but remember what the Lord did to Pharaoh and to Egypt.
00:45:10.300
And he's like, we got this, not in arrogance, not in presumption, but on humble dependence and a courageous willingness to do what was put in front of them.
00:45:25.320
Just do what we've been called to do in the years wherein we have been set, starting in your heart, getting it right in your home, not perfectly, but increasingly locally.
00:45:37.280
And if we all do that, it spreads like a California wildfire and it's uncontainable.
00:45:43.380
It's also, um, a rejection of the Lord's prayer.
00:45:53.680
With my life, I've done stuff because he asked me to do.
00:45:57.660
And I'd be like, there's no way, there's no way that's going to work out.
00:46:03.100
And then he's told me to do some things that didn't work out until later.
00:46:08.200
I was like, oh my gosh, if that wouldn't have happened, I wouldn't be, you know, so it's his will.
00:46:15.180
We're just supposed to do what he tells us to do.
00:46:30.260
And I think our thinking about this is important.
00:46:33.540
Uh, you, you had, um, mentioned, uh, end times, last days, things like this.
00:46:37.420
I meet so many people who actually have been able to somehow in their mind, use that as
00:46:49.040
Um, well, again, they've been predicting the end of the world for, for so long now, the late
00:46:57.820
Um, but you know what we also can do is that if we do have a mindset that this is, uh, all
00:47:03.380
the good we do today, Glenn, all you're really doing is you're just postponing the inevitable.
00:47:08.840
And a lot of Christians feel this way that the whole thing is going to end in a, in a,
00:47:17.700
Um, well then how hard are you really going to lean into restoring and redeeming and revitalizing
00:47:25.460
culture for the next 500 years, a thousand years?
00:47:28.120
If you think Jesus is coming Tuesday and that there's no point therefore to really lean in.
00:47:33.540
And I know people wouldn't verbalize it like that, but in the back of their mind, that's
00:47:37.120
kind of the operating system and you create a self-fulfilling prophecy.
00:47:40.920
If I told you, I don't think my marriage is going to work.
00:47:44.540
It's not going to, it's not going to, because why should I try?
00:47:47.420
She hates me, but I'm going to go find somebody else and get on with my life.
00:47:50.940
Can I ask you, but then you're never going to fix your marriage.
00:47:53.440
I have, I have friends and I don't know what you believe, but I have friends who believe
00:47:56.460
in, uh, the rapture and Oh God, I wish that was true.
00:47:59.740
And maybe it is, but I wish it was true because I don't want to be here for all of the bad
00:48:04.760
Um, however, when I look at this, it makes me want to make the culture and everything
00:48:16.040
And it motivates me to make sure that my kids and everything surrounding that we shore up
00:48:30.140
You know, one way or another, he comes, he doesn't come.
00:48:35.820
We need, we need to strengthen all of that stuff.
00:48:48.580
And, um, you know, even if it's not even, you know, I don't know how you lived except for
00:48:56.840
I don't know how you lived in the 1930s and didn't think this could be Jesus coming back.
00:49:06.540
And if everybody would have just said, well, Jesus is coming back.
00:49:12.860
You have to get involved and you have to know the difference between good and evil.
00:49:18.280
Because, you know, we look at blacks, you know, these black, uh, you know, booted thugs
00:49:24.500
And, well, that was a snappy uniform made by Hugo Boss.
00:49:30.420
You didn't look at that Nazi SS uniform and go, oh, they're the bad guys.
00:49:43.660
The, the, the games that are played with the human mind, only the spirit can break through
00:49:56.040
Well, one of the things I appreciate about you, Glenn, is, is that you do stuff.
00:50:02.280
Um, you report on, on the important things and others who are doing things to, uh, uh,
00:50:09.080
be solutionaries and then you go do them yourself with all of your initiatives.
00:50:14.060
And, and that's one of the things that, that I'm really focusing on these days is saying,
00:50:23.940
There's two, there's two groups of people that I find, uh, in that is those who like
00:50:28.700
to report on all the bad things happening in culture.
00:50:31.080
Look at the, and, and, and the conservative right is, it tends to do this a lot, um, point
00:50:36.540
out all the hypocrisies, use satire to expose the foolishness and absurdities of the premises
00:50:47.520
And I'm always wondering from the big brained guys on the right.
00:50:57.040
Um, and then there's another group who are the actual reformers.
00:51:01.640
They don't just talk about the bad things happening.
00:51:03.380
They work to find creation, creative solutions and alternatives that are better for people
00:51:11.600
And that's, those are the people that are the heroes of history.
00:51:15.640
I mean, King Alfred of Wessex was not a reporter.
00:51:35.380
They had a King who had declared himself God on earth, head of the church and head of the
00:51:39.440
government, no freedom, no education, no nothing.
00:51:43.720
They didn't tuck their head between their knees, pray for the rapture and cry in their
00:51:54.480
They faced betrayal, imprisonment, uh, weather, sickness, death.
00:51:58.920
And they went across an unknown waters and had a five-year plan to build a community that
00:52:10.920
In my opinion, if we've received, uh, a regeneration of our heart and soul by the spirit of God,
00:52:19.680
We're to be creators of the culture, not just reporters, but reformers of bad things.
00:52:25.860
And we can do that with the tools that God has given us and, uh, the people he surrounded
00:52:31.880
I have to tell you, I struggle with that so much because I really believe my calling is,
00:52:38.220
uh, we all are, but, uh, a watchman on the, at the gate.
00:52:43.800
And, uh, you know, Ezekiel's warning, uh, is heavy when you've got a huge footprint.
00:52:53.600
Like you do, like I do, it should be heavy on everybody.
00:52:57.240
Um, but, um, he's been very clear with me, warn, warn, warn, warn.
00:53:03.920
And, and I hate that, you know, cause it's like, I, can I, some solutions?
00:53:10.140
And so I try to balance it, but I don't find the balance.
00:53:15.120
I know a lot of people that listen to me go, I get it, but I don't, he's not been, the only
00:53:22.400
thing he's been clear with me on is, uh, after right before the collapse in between Bear
00:53:31.080
Lehman Brothers was the big collapse, um, in between that time, um, uh, I, I, I had a
00:53:42.880
I was arrogant and he had told me to risk my career on warning of a collapse and I did and
00:53:54.600
And then Bear Stearns collapsed and nothing happened.
00:53:56.980
And in my arrogance, I said, really, I've lost stations, I've lost credibility, I've
00:54:07.440
He stopped talking to me for like a month and a half.
00:54:10.960
And, uh, I really felt I had lost my best friend.
00:54:17.760
And, uh, he finally started talking to me again after I was humbled enough.
00:54:22.660
And, uh, the first thing he said to me was build the framework of hope.
00:54:33.460
And that's what I, for the first time, Mercury, it's taken 11 years to build it into, uh, something
00:54:40.640
that has the strength in the legs to be able to provide it.
00:54:51.540
And when we showed up with our helicopters, our food, our medicine, hope was there.
00:55:02.040
I'd like to stop the reporting and just do the reforming.
00:55:06.420
Well, God bless you for, for all that you are doing.
00:55:09.340
And you're inspiring so many of us, me included.
00:55:16.980
Um, and we have to remember that cowardice is also contagious.
00:55:20.600
Um, and there is a very important role for the watchman on the wall.
00:55:25.620
If the watchman doesn't blow his horn and let everybody know that the enemy is coming,
00:55:37.240
To beat you again with the, with the Ezekiel stick.
00:55:39.320
Um, but, but what you're doing is, uh, is so important.
00:55:45.260
And I think of, uh, you know, I go, why don't, why doesn't the family of faith get a bigger
00:55:55.100
You, you've got Mercury one and so many other things that you're doing.
00:56:00.040
And this is the very crucible that I think produces bigger vision, vision of victory,
00:56:06.460
the need for personal, um, integrity training and strong families.
00:56:12.160
This is, these are the hard times that produce strong men.
00:56:17.360
We've gone through easier times that have produced weak men.
00:56:21.040
I love how Jordan Peterson says, if you think strong men are dangerous, uh, get ready.
00:56:25.240
And for what weak men are potential potential can potentially do.
00:56:43.080
And they all came in and they were like, yeah, that's not going to work.
00:56:48.520
And it was strong men standing up and taking charge of their own communities in it with grace
00:56:56.520
and dignity and humility, but taking charge and being men.
00:57:05.740
I, I feel the rumblings of a new spiritual, cultural awakening in my heart.
00:57:13.280
I see people's eyes opening up and they're getting, they're, they're, they're, they're,
00:57:23.380
Um, and, and they're standing up, they're speaking up, they're leaning in.
00:57:29.940
I love seeing people pioneering something and taking back the sacred role of parenting and
00:57:39.720
And whether it's homeschool or a great private school or a co-op or a network or whatever
00:57:43.580
it is, whatever it is, don't farm the most precious gift you've been given out to other
00:57:49.840
people who want to use them as useful idiots to advance their nefarious causes.
00:57:55.580
And that sounds extreme, but it's what they're doing.
00:57:58.200
They, they're literally chopping up children's bodies and telling them that good is evil and
00:58:05.460
So, um, courageous being courageous, uh, starts in the little things.
00:58:11.540
And when we're faithful in the little things, God then gives us opportunities to be in charge
00:58:16.200
And I think that's why you, you've been in charge of, of such a great big, um, operation
00:58:22.440
like you have here is because you have been faithful in smaller things.
00:58:31.180
Well, I give the credit to God and the people who, you know, are running everything.
00:58:36.360
They're, they're so, they're so much better than I am.
00:58:43.360
How do you get out and break the cycle of pessimism?
00:58:51.320
We don't believe we see Goliath and we don't understand, we don't understand a single rock
00:59:10.280
How do you, how do you get past the, we're not going to make it?
00:59:22.900
You've got to, you've got to see the bigger picture and you've got to trust that there
00:59:30.780
is a bigger cause than what's right in front of you.
00:59:35.440
I look at a, a, a, a, a, I mean, you can, they, they, they do this with lots of things
00:59:42.340
But if you look at a graph over time, if you, if you narrow the field of view, you can get
00:59:47.480
everyone thinking that the earth is getting colder.
00:59:51.480
Culture is declining and it's never been this bad ever before.
00:59:55.400
But if it's like the stock market, it's like, it's like a recession, zoom out.
00:59:59.320
And he's like, oh my gosh, this has happened before.
01:00:02.080
In fact, this is actually pretty good compared to how it was a long, long time ago.
01:00:15.340
On the top of a tsunami, the good that is advanced in this world over time, over the
01:00:28.140
The quality of life for people, the opportunity, the freedom, the wealth, the, the, the length
01:00:33.580
of life, all of that has been swelling and growing like a tsunami.
01:00:38.280
And what we're experiencing with our, our myopic view is what's happening right now, right
01:00:47.520
And it's really a white cap on top of a tsunami that's washing over the, the, the earth, in
01:00:53.600
my opinion, that there is this victory that is so inevitable of good over evil of, of hope
01:01:03.780
over despair that we've, we've, we just need to, we need to get on our surfboard and, and
01:01:14.800
And God's going to take us on his program to a, a, a great ending to this whole story.
01:01:21.220
I don't know how all the details are going to work themselves out, but if we have a vision
01:01:25.940
like that, uh, then you, it starts to make sense why David was able to do what he did.
01:01:32.560
Why Moses was able to do what he did while King Alfred up against the Vikings who were
01:01:38.120
And all of England was able to stand with his men and capture Guthrum.
01:01:44.240
And instead of cutting his head off, he deployed Christian principles and made him a ruler of
01:01:50.780
If he would agree to the treaty of Wedmore, which forced him to treat, um, uh, Saxon and
01:01:59.280
He was baptized as a Christian, was given a Christian name and he then worked as an ally
01:02:05.840
with Alfred to return England to that golden era where they loved the scriptures and their
01:02:12.120
law was based off of the Sermon on the Mount and the 10 commandments.
01:02:16.360
He revolutionized everything when everyone thought all hope was lost.
01:02:20.760
Because he, he saw my trials are a white cap on the top of a tsunami of God's sovereignty
01:02:31.240
I barely heard what you just said because I was having something happening in my own
01:02:40.460
I was told once that happens with my wife all the time, but don't, don't tell you, I know.
01:02:46.900
Um, uh, I was told once a guy who I really respected came into my office and said, where are all
01:03:01.260
And he said, when you're in really tough times, you're not going to make it unless you have
01:03:11.680
And you can immediately connect decisions are easy.
01:03:18.340
And, uh, Dietrich Bonhoeffer has been one of my, uh, heroes.
01:03:27.080
He was the priest that was put into, uh, the, uh, concentration camp that was just turning
01:03:34.260
And just like, everybody was happy around him because he was happy.
01:03:38.060
Uh, and they finally put him in a hole underneath one of the barracks where it was absolutely
01:03:44.820
And like six people in there and you could hear the wailing and everything else of these
01:03:51.480
Well, they put him in there expecting they're going to make him miserable.
01:03:55.360
And instead, within a day, he had all of them singing.
01:03:59.980
It was so the opposite that they actually had to just shoot him or inject him with drugs
01:04:06.680
to kill him right away because he was turning even the most miserable happy to God.
01:04:14.220
And I'm listening to you speak and I'm looking you in the eyes.
01:04:19.040
And I was thinking about, I was thinking about asking you, who do you want to be?
01:04:41.560
I, I, I don't, uh, not prepared to know what to say.
01:04:56.680
And, uh, he wrote a book called the American covenant.
01:04:59.000
And I taught through that book when I was locked in California in my backyard during the pandemic
01:05:04.760
because our governor wouldn't let us go anywhere.
01:05:11.820
I taught through that book and it told me about all these heroes of the past and it's on their
01:05:18.200
And, um, the governor of the pilgrims is, is one of those William Bradford, um, uh, pastor
01:05:25.740
Robinson, uh, who, who, who sort of shepherded that flock.
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St. Patrick was another one of them sold into slavery at 16 years old, uh, from England goes
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off with these Druid priests and he's tending sheep somewhere.
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I imagine in an Irish accent, you know, young boy, come back and free your people.
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I'm sure they didn't sound like that, but, but, but he ends up taking some friends and
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a, and a Bible and he goes back in there and he challenges the Druid Kings who would have
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And he makes a fire on top of a hill, breaking all of the laws.
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And then he goes in and ends up converting the King.
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And now you have these Irish missionaries going out to the rest of the world.
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This is a 16 year old kid who was off into slavery.
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And I think heroes like that, um, the scriptures even tell us these stories in the Bible of our
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And those are all the heroes that give us stamina and staying power, uh, today.
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Thank you for letting me, uh, just interact with you over, over these principles.
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Name of the book is born to be brave by Kirk Cameron.
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