The Glenn Beck Program - Ep 238 ｜ Zachary Levi Gets Real About Suicide, God & Being a Dad

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00:00:34.180 It is not every day you meet a Disney prince, a superhero, a Broadway star, and a spy, especially when it's all the same person.

00:00:44.740 My next guest has taken on so many roles as a highly successful actor, but today we're going to talk about his most vulnerable role of being himself.

00:00:54.560 He recently did what most in Hollywood think is impossible.

00:01:00.440 He endorsed Donald Trump.

00:01:01.700 He defied the norms, made an edgy counterculture choice of loving God, building a family, voting as a Republican.

00:01:08.260 But he's still standing.

00:01:13.140 Perhaps the days of having to choose between fame and standing up for what you believe in are over.

00:01:18.020 Maybe, maybe.

00:01:19.440 But I don't want to talk to him really about that.

00:01:23.140 We'll touch on that.

00:01:24.080 But he's a man who is a few in Hollywood that I think you can watch on the screen and you go, oh, yeah, okay.

00:01:36.820 But he's much, much deeper, very well educated and fascinating.

00:01:45.700 Welcome, a man who you may know as Shazam or from Chuck or Tangled.

00:01:52.640 She Loves Me, American Underdog, and many other incredible shows and movies it would take me all day to list.

00:01:58.740 Actor, author, and all-around good guy, Zachary Levi.

00:02:02.640 Before we get to Zach, you always hope the day will never come when you have to defend yourself or your family from a violent attack.

00:02:11.560 But when it does, you always want to be prepared.

00:02:14.860 In a lot of situations, that means having a gun.

00:02:17.860 But using a gun means shooting to kill.

00:02:20.840 And maybe the situation doesn't call for that.

00:02:23.180 For these times, what you need is something that will remove the threat at a safe distance

00:02:27.900 while avoiding all of the life-altering consequences at the same time.

00:02:31.960 The thing you want is a Burna launcher.

00:02:35.140 These things should be in every school.

00:02:37.160 You could carry it in New York City.

00:02:39.680 It's less lethal.

00:02:41.820 It's the way to go.

00:02:43.340 You don't have to have a permit.

00:02:45.420 You buy it directly from them.

00:02:47.380 They send it to your house.

00:02:49.220 Everybody over 18 can carry one.

00:02:52.120 It's the best alternative to deadly force.

00:02:54.680 It has powerful deterrents, tear gas, kinetic rounds, things that will incapacitate somebody who is posing a danger for about 40 minutes.

00:03:03.300 Government, police agencies, everybody's starting to use this.

00:03:06.560 Go to Burna.com slash Glenn right now.

00:03:10.400 Burna.

00:03:10.780 B-Y-R-N-A dot com slash Glenn.

00:03:13.760 I was thinking the other day that somebody asked me, Glenn,

00:03:33.820 who is it that you want to talk to that you haven't had access to because of your political stance or whatever?

00:03:40.160 And, you know, like Hollywood people.

00:03:41.900 And I, that list used to be very long.

00:03:45.620 And I went,

00:03:49.440 Denzel Washington,

00:03:50.500 Chris Pratt.

00:03:56.080 Zach Levi.

00:03:59.060 There might have been two others,

00:04:00.720 but I don't even know who they were.

00:04:01.840 I mean, I had to think for a long time.

00:04:04.520 And I don't know if that's true.

00:04:06.280 Those are just the people that seem,

00:04:08.820 like they have something to say.

00:04:11.300 Interesting.

00:04:12.080 That's not necessarily about politics.

00:04:14.080 Sure.

00:04:14.620 And when I read,

00:04:16.180 when I read anything on social media

00:04:18.980 about you,

00:04:20.500 the number of people who say,

00:04:22.800 you saved my life.

00:04:24.160 Your book saved my life.

00:04:25.840 Your experience saved my life.

00:04:29.080 That's what I want to talk about.

00:04:31.580 Well, first of all,

00:04:32.960 thank you for having me.

00:04:34.380 Also,

00:04:35.200 that's a,

00:04:36.360 that's a really wonderful list to be on with two incredible human beings.

00:04:39.980 I don't know Denzel personally,

00:04:41.920 but I am a massive fan of his and

00:04:43.760 how he's carried himself throughout his life and his career.

00:04:47.120 And I agree.

00:04:47.900 I think that man is so deep and so full of,

00:04:50.500 wisdom and,

00:04:51.360 and has been so consistent in being able to bring that forth,

00:04:55.120 you know,

00:04:55.720 through his various interviews and stuff like just really,

00:04:58.480 really.

00:04:58.580 And just not just being wise.

00:05:01.640 Yeah.

00:05:01.880 Just being wise.

00:05:02.600 Absolutely.

00:05:03.080 Yeah.

00:05:03.280 And fair.

00:05:04.340 Yeah.

00:05:04.520 And all of that.

00:05:05.160 And I,

00:05:05.380 but I think that kind of comes with wisdom and listen,

00:05:07.840 I know Chris,

00:05:08.580 we've,

00:05:09.060 we've been,

00:05:09.540 you know,

00:05:10.000 friends for many years.

00:05:12.240 I rarely ever see him.

00:05:13.600 He's very,

00:05:14.440 very busy.

00:05:14.880 And I've been blessed as well to be busy,

00:05:16.420 but I can attest that he is a really incredible human being and genuinely cares,

00:05:22.040 genuinely cares about his family,

00:05:24.360 his friends,

00:05:25.440 every cast that he is the lead of,

00:05:27.780 every crew that he is,

00:05:29.100 you know,

00:05:29.680 number one leading.

00:05:31.700 So very grateful to be on a list with those two gentlemen and whoever else might've been

00:05:36.980 on that list before.

00:05:37.640 Um,

00:05:39.240 and you know,

00:05:40.260 listen,

00:05:40.660 I,

00:05:41.060 I do think I'm,

00:05:43.240 I also see a lot of these mess.

00:05:44.680 I mean,

00:05:44.900 you know,

00:05:45.200 social media is very funny because as you know,

00:05:47.980 you get,

00:05:49.300 I mean,

00:05:49.880 particularly since I've come out and been more vocal about my stance on various things,

00:05:53.900 politically and otherwise,

00:05:55.620 um,

00:05:56.380 you know,

00:05:56.640 that comes with a lot of vitriol.

00:05:58.080 It comes with a lot of hate and darkness and toxicity,

00:06:00.520 which is such a bummer because I really love all of those people too.

00:06:05.260 You know,

00:06:05.640 like I really do believe that we are called to love every single soul,

00:06:08.580 that we are all children of God,

00:06:10.140 even the people that are acting like complete imbeciles or hatefully or whatever,

00:06:14.520 right?

00:06:14.840 Who hate and want to destroy you.

00:06:16.840 They're still my brother.

00:06:17.840 Yeah.

00:06:18.160 Yeah.

00:06:18.480 You know,

00:06:19.080 yeah.

00:06:19.320 And I,

00:06:19.520 and I've said this before,

00:06:20.360 but I,

00:06:20.860 you know,

00:06:21.240 um,

00:06:21.500 but I,

00:06:21.920 you know,

00:06:22.280 begs repeating.

00:06:22.900 I think often it's like,

00:06:24.220 you know,

00:06:24.400 when,

00:06:24.720 when Jesus was talking about,

00:06:26.140 you know,

00:06:26.280 what is it to love those who love you?

00:06:28.600 Well,

00:06:28.700 that's not really love.

00:06:30.660 That's easy.

00:06:31.460 Right.

00:06:31.680 But we're being called to love our enemy,

00:06:33.940 pray for our persecutor.

00:06:34.940 Yeah.

00:06:35.080 I take that very seriously.

00:06:36.380 And so even these people who want to destroy me and they very much,

00:06:39.720 if given the chance,

00:06:40.820 they might very much do that.

00:06:42.180 Right.

00:06:42.320 I think a lot of people,

00:06:43.100 they puff themselves up online because it's a lot of anonymity.

00:06:46.180 And of course they want to say all these various things,

00:06:47.980 but,

00:06:48.260 um,

00:06:49.920 but nonetheless,

00:06:50.520 a lot of that toxicity is,

00:06:53.260 thank God,

00:06:54.140 overwhelmed by a lot of the love and the support and the prayers and the

00:06:58.440 testimony of people that,

00:06:59.740 that do say things and share with me,

00:07:01.900 your book saved my life.

00:07:03.160 Yeah.

00:07:03.260 Your testimony has helped me to,

00:07:06.100 um,

00:07:06.960 live a bolder,

00:07:08.000 you know,

00:07:08.200 even just coming up politically,

00:07:09.220 there have been a lot of messages of people saying,

00:07:11.040 I was so on the fence.

00:07:12.680 I was so afraid.

00:07:13.460 I didn't want to speak my truth into the world.

00:07:17.800 And because you with everything to lose were willing to go and do that.

00:07:22.660 I felt emboldened to be able to go and do that.

00:07:24.860 And so,

00:07:25.820 yeah,

00:07:26.140 it feels great,

00:07:26.860 man.

00:07:27.120 It feels,

00:07:27.580 but more than anything,

00:07:28.440 it's because it feels like I,

00:07:29.900 I feel like I'm being used by God.

00:07:31.760 Right.

00:07:32.380 And,

00:07:32.740 and that if we can always just be in that pocket,

00:07:35.640 wherever God wants us doing,

00:07:37.260 whatever God wants us to do,

00:07:38.660 speaking whatever truth and wisdom and love and light into this world as we can.

00:07:42.240 Like when you feel that,

00:07:43.680 you know,

00:07:43.940 it's like,

00:07:44.300 Oh,

00:07:44.480 I don't ever want to not be.

00:07:45.680 And I know.

00:07:46.320 Yeah.

00:07:46.640 And it's,

00:07:47.140 it,

00:07:47.540 um,

00:07:48.000 it's weird.

00:07:49.980 I'm a recovering alcoholic.

00:07:53.160 Insanity runs through my family,

00:07:54.440 like a pack of wild elephants.

00:07:55.880 I,

00:07:56.280 I,

00:07:56.540 I can relate.

00:07:57.360 Yeah.

00:07:57.880 Uh,

00:07:58.340 lots of suicide in my family,

00:08:00.200 et cetera,

00:08:00.500 et cetera.

00:08:01.180 Uh,

00:08:01.700 and just crashed in the nineties,

00:08:04.500 just crap,

00:08:05.680 lost everything,

00:08:06.340 lost my family,

00:08:07.240 lost.

00:08:07.500 I couldn't look a person in the eye that would actually believe me because I was an alcoholic.

00:08:13.360 I had lied to him about everything important for a long time.

00:08:16.840 Um,

00:08:17.540 and in trying to destroy my career at that same time,

00:08:24.560 uh,

00:08:25.980 I admitted all of this stuff on the air and I turned my mic off and I said to my producer,

00:08:33.480 who's still my producer,

00:08:35.240 mark this down your calendar.

00:08:36.340 This is the day Glenn Beck destroyed his career.

00:08:40.360 The opposite happened because,

00:08:43.680 and,

00:08:43.840 and it is so amazing.

00:08:45.840 God will take the worst of you.

00:08:51.520 And all of a sudden,

00:08:53.020 if you're willing to just say,

00:08:56.960 I was this,

00:08:59.520 I,

00:08:59.780 I had the darkest,

00:09:01.600 whatever it is.

00:09:04.180 He,

00:09:04.380 everybody's hiding a piece of that in themselves and they all feel alone.

00:09:10.140 Yeah.

00:09:10.700 You know?

00:09:11.240 Oh,

00:09:11.380 absolutely.

00:09:11.800 And so when,

00:09:12.560 when you come out,

00:09:14.200 you know,

00:09:14.760 is this around the time of Shazam,

00:09:16.580 isn't it?

00:09:17.900 Uh,

00:09:18.500 when,

00:09:19.200 when,

00:09:19.680 when you were really crashing.

00:09:21.900 Oh yeah.

00:09:22.600 Well,

00:09:22.800 yeah,

00:09:22.920 no,

00:09:23.080 no,

00:09:23.160 no.

00:09:23.220 I mean,

00:09:23.440 literally right before I booked that job,

00:09:25.220 I,

00:09:26.080 uh,

00:09:27.160 I moved out to Austin seven years ago,

00:09:29.220 uh,

00:09:30.100 with the head full of steam and dreams and this vision that God put on my heart 25 years

00:09:34.380 ago.

00:09:35.160 It was,

00:09:35.760 I guess,

00:09:36.080 you know,

00:09:36.340 seven,

00:09:36.740 25 minus seven.

00:09:38.020 So do the math.

00:09:39.380 I don't know,

00:09:39.660 18 years ago at that point,

00:09:41.760 but to,

00:09:43.320 to buy a bunch of land,

00:09:44.340 to build a,

00:09:44.980 uh,

00:09:45.220 basically a new United artists type of movie studio.

00:09:47.620 That's also a living community kind of resort situation because you know,

00:09:52.120 I,

00:09:52.420 I just having worked in the industry for all those years,

00:09:54.400 I,

00:09:55.420 it was,

00:09:55.780 it's also so broken.

00:09:56.600 It's so broken.

00:09:57.100 You know,

00:09:57.320 I mean,

00:09:57.620 it's,

00:09:57.840 it's just so,

00:09:58.560 so broken.

00:09:59.300 It's so inhumane and it's not about making excellent anything.

00:10:01.960 It's just commoditizing art and artists and squeezing every cent out of every single

00:10:06.220 one of the creators.

00:10:07.080 And it's just a broken system.

00:10:08.700 And so I really felt like God was like,

00:10:10.660 you're going to,

00:10:11.080 we got to go make,

00:10:12.080 God is going to make a better Hollywood and I get to be a part of doing whatever that is.

00:10:15.780 Right.

00:10:15.960 And I just felt this and I still feel it.

00:10:18.300 I'm still convicted to do it.

00:10:19.420 I'm still working on it.

00:10:20.260 But,

00:10:21.120 um,

00:10:22.100 but I moved out to,

00:10:23.180 to Austin.

00:10:24.440 I sold my house in LA,

00:10:25.460 like,

00:10:25.920 just like,

00:10:26.640 I got,

00:10:27.240 I'm done.

00:10:27.760 This is it.

00:10:28.240 And we got to go not realizing how much of myself I was running away from,

00:10:32.680 not realizing I was a very unhappy person at that,

00:10:35.000 at that time.

00:10:36.240 Um,

00:10:36.600 I hadn't,

00:10:37.160 I hadn't accessed that yet.

00:10:38.380 I hadn't understood it yet.

00:10:39.360 Yeah.

00:10:39.680 So,

00:10:40.160 you know,

00:10:40.860 then you make big brash decisions.

00:10:42.800 I go and I buy the 75 acres out in,

00:10:45.960 in a city that I'm not from,

00:10:47.300 that I barely know anyone in.

00:10:49.000 I'm totally alone.

00:10:50.060 And I have a complete mental breakdown.

00:10:53.060 And because you're left with your thoughts and yourself.

00:10:55.320 Well,

00:10:55.660 and also I didn't know at the time,

00:10:57.860 but I had been on an Adderall prescription and I was a pack a day smoker,

00:11:01.040 by the way.

00:11:01.520 Oh,

00:11:01.700 wow.

00:11:01.900 So I didn't,

00:11:03.360 I didn't understand really only in the last few years that people like Andrew

00:11:06.540 Huberman and others really broken down,

00:11:08.300 like how hormones really kind of work in our bodies,

00:11:12.440 specifically dopamine.

00:11:13.800 What I didn't realize at the time was,

00:11:15.600 so I moved out to Austin and I was like,

00:11:18.060 you know,

00:11:18.460 new me,

00:11:19.080 new life.

00:11:19.800 I'm,

00:11:20.120 I don't want my Adderall prescription anymore.

00:11:22.560 I'm going to quit drinking.

00:11:23.760 I'm going to quit smoking a pack a day.

00:11:26.500 And I didn't realize I had no idea that I was about to fall into a dopamine

00:11:29.840 spiral,

00:11:31.100 death spiral.

00:11:31.740 And so that coupled with all of my deep unhealed traumas throughout my life

00:11:38.600 that I had never really done any work on.

00:11:40.180 Cause I didn't understand how,

00:11:41.360 but wait,

00:11:41.640 wait,

00:11:42.280 my mom committed suicide when I was,

00:11:46.060 you know,

00:11:46.580 14 years old,

00:11:47.380 whatever.

00:11:48.200 Uh,

00:11:48.620 and I said up until I was 30,

00:11:52.180 35,

00:11:53.160 I'm fine.

00:11:53.860 Yeah,

00:11:54.320 I'm fine.

00:11:54.720 And I actually thought I was.

00:11:57.260 So did you just didn't know how to work on it?

00:12:00.440 Or did you think,

00:12:01.820 Oh,

00:12:01.980 I don't have to,

00:12:02.660 I'm fine.

00:12:03.460 I didn't know how to work on it because I didn't even know that I had to.

00:12:07.200 Right.

00:12:07.500 Okay.

00:12:07.860 Exactly.

00:12:08.280 Yeah.

00:12:08.420 That's where I was.

00:12:09.260 I was completely,

00:12:10.480 I think most people,

00:12:12.380 I think most people are still struggling with not even really recognizing

00:12:17.140 everything that's there.

00:12:18.280 Yes.

00:12:19.480 Once you do,

00:12:20.840 it's almost impossible to not have to start working on it because it's,

00:12:24.400 it's glaring.

00:12:25.160 It's right in your face.

00:12:26.400 It's terrifying.

00:12:27.540 It is terrifying because you think,

00:12:29.640 yeah,

00:12:29.760 once you start thinking about all this stuff,

00:12:31.680 you're like,

00:12:32.400 I don't know that there's anything good in there.

00:12:34.900 I don't know.

00:12:36.160 Yeah.

00:12:36.520 That's all I know is this.

00:12:38.620 Yeah.

00:12:38.940 And you are afraid.

00:12:39.780 I was afraid.

00:12:40.800 Um,

00:12:41.660 well,

00:12:41.900 so I had this breakdown again,

00:12:44.380 didn't understand at all really what was going on.

00:12:46.420 I just was in a complete darkness.

00:12:47.680 Didn't want to live.

00:12:48.320 Didn't know why.

00:12:48.920 Thank God.

00:12:50.060 Suicidal.

00:12:50.660 Suicidal.

00:12:51.020 Oh,

00:12:51.300 and that wasn't the first time in my life.

00:12:52.660 I had had other stretches of time where I had absolutely considered.

00:12:56.920 I always tell people like,

00:12:58.140 if suicide is a 10 rung ladder and the last rung is where you actually do it.

00:13:02.120 I got up to rung nine.

00:13:03.900 Me too.

00:13:04.320 A few times in my life,

00:13:05.840 you know,

00:13:06.100 and,

00:13:07.360 and it's scary.

00:13:09.120 And thank God I had just,

00:13:10.900 just enough other things in my life,

00:13:12.720 um,

00:13:13.220 to not do that.

00:13:14.260 In this particular instance,

00:13:15.340 my nephew,

00:13:16.200 first nephew had just been born.

00:13:17.440 He was about a year old.

00:13:19.020 And I kept thinking,

00:13:20.820 if I kill myself,

00:13:23.320 my younger sister will never recover.

00:13:26.000 Who,

00:13:26.280 who is the mother of this child and who is,

00:13:29.940 you know,

00:13:30.580 I'm very close to both of my sisters,

00:13:32.920 but my younger sister,

00:13:33.780 I think,

00:13:34.880 um,

00:13:35.120 you know,

00:13:35.340 she was my assistant for many years.

00:13:36.820 We were always kind of,

00:13:37.980 you know,

00:13:38.660 a little bit of Bobsey twins,

00:13:39.800 but,

00:13:40.460 um,

00:13:40.840 I knew that my younger sister and my older sister,

00:13:42.900 they would never recover.

00:13:43.740 And that child's life would be forever altered in such a horrible way.

00:13:49.160 Yes.

00:13:49.480 And then I would be,

00:13:51.280 I would then be passing on this generational trauma in a completely different way,

00:13:55.120 but,

00:13:55.280 but very similar way.

00:13:56.360 And he would be so negatively affected.

00:13:58.400 And that was the only,

00:13:59.080 really the only thing that was keeping me from killing myself.

00:14:01.900 Fortunately,

00:14:02.360 my younger sister and,

00:14:03.420 and my older sister and my family and friends that loved me and,

00:14:07.460 and believed in me,

00:14:08.220 surrounded me just enough.

00:14:09.800 And I,

00:14:10.420 my younger sister found this really incredible life-saving therapy that I went to.

00:14:14.780 It was like three weeks in Connecticut where I was just doing so many different modalities of therapy.

00:14:21.020 And,

00:14:21.420 and,

00:14:21.780 and it was really an,

00:14:22.980 you know,

00:14:23.440 life-changing life-saving experience.

00:14:25.280 Um,

00:14:25.480 but one of the biggest things I learned in all of that was that I,

00:14:27.560 I didn't love myself.

00:14:28.400 I had never even really understood what the concept of self-love was.

00:14:31.380 I think that for years,

00:14:32.920 you know,

00:14:33.120 people talk about,

00:14:33.620 oh,

00:14:33.680 do you love yourself?

00:14:34.360 And you,

00:14:34.740 and again,

00:14:35.040 like you thought,

00:14:35.820 I thought,

00:14:36.360 you know,

00:14:36.640 it's like,

00:14:36.960 yeah,

00:14:37.300 yeah,

00:14:37.500 I'm good.

00:14:38.560 You know,

00:14:38.860 I go out,

00:14:39.300 I play ball with my friends.

00:14:40.260 I do this,

00:14:40.920 I do that.

00:14:41.320 Like,

00:14:41.620 I go to work.

00:14:42.180 It's also seemingly a little like,

00:14:44.980 I'm not that self-centered.

00:14:46.160 Yeah.

00:14:46.360 What are you doing?

00:14:47.140 Yeah.

00:14:47.440 Yeah.

00:14:47.580 Love myself.

00:14:48.180 Get over it.

00:14:48.780 Exactly.

00:14:49.240 Yeah.

00:14:49.540 Yeah.

00:14:49.680 Yeah.

00:14:49.780 And that is,

00:14:50.600 uh,

00:14:51.240 unfortunately,

00:14:52.900 I think that's part of the problem in helping to people,

00:14:56.100 underst helping people to understand self-love,

00:14:57.820 which is there's a,

00:14:59.720 there's a stark difference between narcissism and loving yourself.

00:15:04.220 Narcissism.

00:15:04.720 What's that?

00:15:05.280 Give it to me.

00:15:06.080 Well,

00:15:06.540 well,

00:15:06.860 I mean,

00:15:07.180 essentially,

00:15:08.140 and I,

00:15:08.480 I know that you know this,

00:15:09.440 but you know,

00:15:10.240 narcissism is,

00:15:11.300 is,

00:15:12.300 is,

00:15:12.720 is thinking that literally the world revolves around you,

00:15:16.480 that everyone should be doing essentially what you think they should be doing.

00:15:20.540 And if they're not doing it that way,

00:15:22.080 then they're fucking idiots or whatever.

00:15:24.200 And,

00:15:24.760 and you have every license to operate however you want to manipulate anybody that you need to,

00:15:30.740 in order to get what you need,

00:15:31.700 because it's a dog eat dog world,

00:15:33.240 whatever.

00:15:33.900 And yeah,

00:15:34.560 this is it.

00:15:35.080 Like,

00:15:35.380 and,

00:15:35.560 and narcissists are very good at rationalizing all of it.

00:15:39.440 that as loving themselves.

00:15:41.700 Whereas self love is to,

00:15:44.800 I believe,

00:15:45.720 you know,

00:15:46.020 boiling it down as best we can.

00:15:47.860 It's,

00:15:48.100 it's recognizing that no matter what you do,

00:15:51.860 no matter where you're from or where you're going or anything in between,

00:15:55.160 you are a beloved child of God.

00:15:58.500 You are an extension of God and God's love.

00:16:01.780 And therefore you are worthy of that love.

00:16:04.780 Yes.

00:16:05.300 And then it's a matter of really trying to impress that upon yourself because the darkness is full of the lies that want to contradict that and say,

00:16:15.280 no,

00:16:15.500 no,

00:16:15.660 you did this and you did that.

00:16:17.140 And you're like,

00:16:18.420 Oh,

00:16:18.500 and not realizing by the way,

00:16:19.920 that most all of our self-talk until we heal it.

00:16:24.560 A lot of us,

00:16:25.560 you know,

00:16:25.860 we,

00:16:26.120 we grew up in,

00:16:26.940 in with childhoods and homes that were not the best.

00:16:30.820 They were abusive.

00:16:31.360 They were psychologically abusive.

00:16:32.780 I think there's some,

00:16:34.480 I mean,

00:16:34.760 I don't know there's great families,

00:16:36.360 but I think there's some families.

00:16:37.540 Like I always thought even though my mom killed herself,

00:16:40.640 she was an alcoholic.

00:16:41.620 My dad was,

00:16:42.700 you know,

00:16:43.160 it was a problem.

00:16:44.860 I still thought it was okay,

00:16:47.340 you know?

00:16:47.640 And I think there are some people that live in,

00:16:50.700 but you,

00:16:51.300 there,

00:16:52.700 people don't understand the power of words.

00:16:58.200 Yeah.

00:16:58.400 You know,

00:16:58.840 as a father,

00:16:59.560 I've said things to my daughters,

00:17:01.620 we're going to run out of the room crying.

00:17:03.460 And I'll be like,

00:17:03.860 yeah,

00:17:04.180 what the hell did I just say?

00:17:05.360 Do you know what I mean?

00:17:06.520 Cause I'm just inept with girls,

00:17:08.560 but,

00:17:09.000 um,

00:17:09.880 well,

00:17:10.100 clearly not.

00:17:10.620 If you've actually had to,

00:17:12.060 three,

00:17:13.440 three,

00:17:14.040 and two wives.

00:17:15.480 So anyway,

00:17:17.280 um,

00:17:17.940 the,

00:17:18.440 you don't realize the marks that are left on people.

00:17:25.140 And you also don't realize how sometimes things,

00:17:28.280 that you said were interpreted because of where they are.

00:17:32.580 Sure.

00:17:32.900 And so they carry that around forever.

00:17:35.700 Yeah.

00:17:36.100 And our parents,

00:17:37.160 and this was one of the other big things I had to really come to the

00:17:39.900 conclusion of,

00:17:40.600 or really the revelation of,

00:17:42.240 which was that,

00:17:43.140 well,

00:17:44.480 actually,

00:17:44.740 hold on,

00:17:44.940 go back.

00:17:45.840 This,

00:17:46.140 the self-talk that would,

00:17:47.180 that is constantly convicting us and lying to us and telling us we're

00:17:50.060 worthless and horrible and a piece of shit and all that stuff that is

00:17:53.140 directly linked to the voices of our parents and the ways that they would

00:17:57.540 reprimand us and the ways that they would chastise us and the way that they

00:18:00.160 would critique us.

00:18:01.560 If you grew up in a really loving family,

00:18:03.140 that's full of encouragement and not judgment,

00:18:05.340 your self-talk growing up is exponentially better just from the jump.

00:18:09.320 Right.

00:18:09.400 Yes.

00:18:09.820 You can still have bad self-talk based in your own kind of thoughts based on

00:18:13.360 what you do,

00:18:13.760 but at least you have a great foundation.

00:18:16.320 Exactly.

00:18:16.940 But a lot of us never had that.

00:18:18.520 I would actually venture to say,

00:18:19.840 unfortunately,

00:18:20.160 most of us didn't have that.

00:18:21.320 Right.

00:18:21.460 Right.

00:18:22.360 But coming to the realization that that also doesn't make our parents the

00:18:29.300 bad guy because they were doing the best they could at the time with the

00:18:32.320 tools that they had.

00:18:33.020 Right.

00:18:33.320 Yes.

00:18:33.560 And so that was one of the other big revelations I got in this therapy

00:18:36.100 because I,

00:18:37.140 I didn't,

00:18:38.200 I didn't actively sit around,

00:18:39.960 you know,

00:18:40.220 I,

00:18:40.680 in the same way I didn't actively sit around thinking ill of myself.

00:18:43.820 Yeah.

00:18:44.060 I was fine.

00:18:44.700 I was fine.

00:18:45.080 Yeah.

00:18:45.340 Yeah.

00:18:45.460 I didn't actively sit around thinking ill of my mother or my stepfather or my

00:18:49.000 dad or any of those people that had a part to play in the various kind of,

00:18:53.280 you know,

00:18:53.460 whatever traumas that I've experienced.

00:18:55.860 So I didn't think that I had this unresolved anger or hate with my mother

00:19:00.240 and boy,

00:19:01.240 was I wrong.

00:19:03.000 It was all just kind of suppressed and whatever,

00:19:05.200 because I was still holding onto this idea that she should have known

00:19:08.600 better.

00:19:09.260 She is this person that abused me and did a lot,

00:19:12.920 by the way.

00:19:13.300 And she was also an alcoholic or psychologically.

00:19:15.760 Yeah.

00:19:15.940 Yeah.

00:19:18.160 But,

00:19:18.560 it,

00:19:19.920 when having these therapists telling me like,

00:19:22.180 Zach,

00:19:22.500 you know,

00:19:22.680 you,

00:19:22.800 you need to,

00:19:23.720 you need to lighten up on yourself.

00:19:24.900 Like you,

00:19:25.380 you,

00:19:25.720 you beat the shit out of yourself.

00:19:26.940 Like,

00:19:27.200 listen to the way you talk to yourself.

00:19:28.400 Would you talk to anybody else that way that you love?

00:19:30.020 And I was like,

00:19:30.320 no.

00:19:30.580 And they go,

00:19:30.900 then why do you talk to yourself that way?

00:19:32.100 And that was a massive deal.

00:19:34.400 And then,

00:19:34.980 so,

00:19:35.200 so they're like,

00:19:35.660 so you gotta,

00:19:36.320 you gotta forgive yourself.

00:19:37.660 You have to recognize that you were doing the best that you could at any given

00:19:40.740 moment in your life.

00:19:41.760 Right.

00:19:42.000 Which it is.

00:19:42.840 It's so hard,

00:19:43.320 but it's so true.

00:19:44.280 Yes.

00:19:44.480 And it's the beginning of this process.

00:19:47.140 But one of the things that just hit me like a ton of bricks was,

00:19:50.680 well,

00:19:52.700 in the algebra of it,

00:19:54.380 if it's true that I myself am worthy of forgiving myself because I was doing the best

00:20:01.480 that I could,

00:20:02.740 that means everyone is worthy of that forgiveness because everyone is doing the best that they

00:20:07.200 could.

00:20:07.760 And that destroyed me in the best of ways because I wept for my mom.

00:20:13.220 I wept this woman who I just saw her as her five-year-old self and the trauma that she

00:20:18.960 experienced as a young girl.

00:20:21.200 And she could have gone off to be so many different versions of herself,

00:20:26.060 but because of the programming and the environment and all of that,

00:20:31.140 she ended up being the woman that she was.

00:20:33.160 And I have to forgive her for that because that's not her fault.

00:20:36.140 In the same way that,

00:20:36.880 by the way,

00:20:37.580 you know,

00:20:37.780 using an extreme,

00:20:38.800 because I think extremes are,

00:20:39.800 are,

00:20:40.180 are good for kind of,

00:20:41.640 you know,

00:20:42.140 explaining points,

00:20:43.260 but you know,

00:20:44.220 any one of us could agree that someone who straps bombs to their chest and goes into

00:20:47.360 a market and kills innocent women and children and people like that's a horrendous,

00:20:51.700 villainous,

00:20:53.080 monstrous act.

00:20:53.960 Right.

00:20:54.120 But that person by and large,

00:20:58.980 these people that do that,

00:20:59.980 they think they're doing the holiest of things.

00:21:02.480 They're not twisting their mustache.

00:21:04.440 I have often thought,

00:21:05.720 because I've seen the propaganda that is pumped from the very beginning with,

00:21:10.800 with Hamas,

00:21:11.980 with the kids where,

00:21:13.980 I mean,

00:21:14.560 for little kids,

00:21:16.120 just this poison.

00:21:17.540 Yeah.

00:21:17.980 And I've often thought if,

00:21:21.620 if,

00:21:22.440 if I grew up that way,

00:21:23.660 would I have been different?

00:21:25.880 There's this great,

00:21:26.940 I got a,

00:21:27.460 one of the guys who,

00:21:28.680 um,

00:21:29.800 uh,

00:21:30.300 was in,

00:21:31.200 um,

00:21:32.680 Vietnam and he was in the Hanoi Hilton.

00:21:36.400 His wife gave me all of his notes and everything from that time to preserve.

00:21:42.120 And he writes about forgiveness.

00:21:46.140 Okay.

00:21:46.660 They're pulling his arms out of his sockets every day for like seven years.

00:21:52.220 And he's writing,

00:21:53.820 don't hate the person.

00:21:56.860 You don't know if you were in their shoes and you had their life.

00:22:02.160 If you,

00:22:02.900 and I'm thinking,

00:22:03.720 this guy is a giant.

00:22:07.640 I,

00:22:07.880 that's who I want to be when I grow up,

00:22:09.720 you know?

00:22:10.260 Yeah.

00:22:10.600 It's amazing.

00:22:11.500 Yeah.

00:22:11.680 And there's,

00:22:12.140 there's a lot of,

00:22:13.140 um,

00:22:13.900 really powerful examples of that.

00:22:15.840 I did a film called the Mauritanian and it was a true story about this guy who was,

00:22:20.200 um,

00:22:21.200 ultimately,

00:22:21.720 you know,

00:22:22.600 um,

00:22:22.780 uh,

00:22:24.820 cleared of this accusation,

00:22:26.780 but that he was involved in the nine 11 thing.

00:22:28.700 And they put him in Guantanamo and he,

00:22:31.380 they tortured him and they did all the things that they did to him.

00:22:33.480 And he,

00:22:34.160 in all of that found forgiveness for those American soldiers that were again,

00:22:40.480 caught up in this culture that they were fed of like,

00:22:44.160 these are the villains and these are the monsters and these are the bad guys.

00:22:46.880 And we've got to humiliate them.

00:22:47.860 And we've got to do this,

00:22:48.620 that,

00:22:48.780 and the other thing,

00:22:49.600 look what they did.

00:22:51.320 And he found forgiveness.

00:22:52.440 Another great example.

00:22:54.200 Um,

00:22:54.700 what's his name?

00:22:55.580 Louie,

00:22:56.320 you,

00:22:56.920 Louie.

00:22:57.220 He,

00:22:57.300 there was a movie called on not unbreakable.

00:23:00.180 Uh,

00:23:00.340 yeah,

00:23:00.580 yeah.

00:23:00.840 You know what I'm talking about.

00:23:01.660 It's a world war two.

00:23:02.300 Yeah.

00:23:02.480 Yeah.

00:23:02.640 True story.

00:23:03.280 Yeah.

00:23:04.160 Gets,

00:23:04.520 I mean,

00:23:04.760 that guy's story is insane.

00:23:06.120 That they got lost at sea that he,

00:23:07.880 that he survived that long and then gets picked up by the Japanese.

00:23:10.480 And then he's put into one of their internment camps and tortured and all of

00:23:13.820 these things.

00:23:14.120 And for him to find the forgiveness in his heart transformed by God,

00:23:18.280 obviously.

00:23:19.420 Um,

00:23:20.260 like it's,

00:23:20.860 it's so powerful,

00:23:21.680 but it's something that we have to remember.

00:23:24.160 It's so easy for us to want to froth at the mouth,

00:23:27.080 to go get justice.

00:23:28.260 We want justice.

00:23:28.960 We want to go get these people,

00:23:30.220 but we have,

00:23:32.020 if we're willing to at least take a moment and just look at someone and see

00:23:35.480 the five-year-old in them that had all the promise to go anywhere in the

00:23:38.740 world,

00:23:38.900 but they,

00:23:39.420 then they had those parents and that community and that society and whatever

00:23:42.560 it was that they were raised in,

00:23:44.000 which then guided them into those decision-making into that decision-making.

00:23:48.120 That's where the beginnings of grace and mercy and forgiveness and

00:23:51.120 empathy,

00:23:51.520 you know,

00:23:52.700 so I can guarantee you that there is somebody watching right now and going

00:23:58.260 you too.

00:23:59.960 Oh,

00:24:00.520 you're so soft.

00:24:01.860 You'll just let,

00:24:02.980 and I,

00:24:03.980 I've been struggling with blessed are the peacemakers because I've been

00:24:09.380 saying when we were really,

00:24:12.020 you know,

00:24:12.800 we're at each other's throats and I hope that we can get past all this and

00:24:17.840 we've turned a page a bit,

00:24:19.320 but I had people call me and say,

00:24:23.180 no,

00:24:25.100 no stand up.

00:24:26.920 And I said,

00:24:27.260 wait a minute,

00:24:28.340 being a peacemaker doesn't being a peacemaker means you're standing up

00:24:33.260 peacefully,

00:24:33.840 but you're going to say things that are true and stand for the truth.

00:24:39.940 You,

00:24:40.580 there's no peace in your life.

00:24:42.500 Martin Luther King was a peacemaker.

00:24:44.200 There was no peace in his life.

00:24:45.720 Abraham Lincoln,

00:24:46.340 no peace in his life.

00:24:47.940 So it's not weak.

00:24:50.360 It doesn't mean,

00:24:51.440 it doesn't mean that you,

00:24:53.480 you see the five-year-old and go,

00:24:55.360 well then they,

00:24:56.320 you know,

00:24:56.520 they murdered that person.

00:24:57.780 And no,

00:24:58.240 no,

00:24:58.820 no,

00:24:59.320 no.

00:24:59.640 I think this is on,

00:25:00.900 this is one of the unfortunate kind of,

00:25:04.120 and it's not a paradox,

00:25:05.500 but I think people find it to be,

00:25:07.980 and they have a hard time wrapping their head around it.

00:25:10.620 You can both have mercy and understanding,

00:25:16.340 with the bad doer and still hold them entirely accountable for everything that they have done and are correct.

00:25:26.360 And we ought to.

00:25:27.600 Yes.

00:25:27.820 I don't think that just because somebody murders someone and,

00:25:31.400 or if someone murders someone and we look in their past and we see that they were abused sexually, physically,

00:25:35.960 you know,

00:25:36.200 they,

00:25:36.740 somebody put a gun in their hand as a gang member at 13 and forced them to kill somebody.

00:25:39.960 Like who knows all the ways that people are twisted in these ways.

00:25:43.420 None,

00:25:43.720 none of that absolves them from their most recent murder.

00:25:47.280 It doesn't,

00:25:48.620 you know,

00:25:49.900 excuse it.

00:25:51.540 It just explains it.

00:25:52.860 And we ought to be willing to go down the route of explanation so that we can have that mercy and still hold them accountable.

00:25:59.180 Because I will say that when we just look at murderers as nothing but monsters,

00:26:03.220 then we put them in a penal system that is only making them more monstrous as opposed to one that holds them accountable,

00:26:10.700 incarcerates them,

00:26:11.480 whatever it needs to do.

00:26:12.160 And it doesn't mean like give them a resort.

00:26:13.680 I'm not saying any of that,

00:26:14.800 but there's ways to do it where you're actually rehabilitating them.

00:26:17.680 It's why we love.

00:26:18.660 It's why we don't in our justice system have the victim pronounce the sentence.

00:26:26.720 You know what I mean?

00:26:27.280 Yeah.

00:26:27.540 We know what,

00:26:28.520 I mean,

00:26:28.860 we look at people whose family have been horribly abused and killed and whatever.

00:26:34.800 And we're,

00:26:35.800 we always look,

00:26:36.560 I think the Amish have it down,

00:26:38.520 you know,

00:26:39.040 they have it done in a lot of ways,

00:26:40.260 in a lot of ways.

00:26:42.500 But,

00:26:43.120 you know,

00:26:44.660 they can forgive a murderer of their children and go comfort his wife within hours.

00:26:53.960 Their children's bodies are still in the school.

00:26:57.100 Yeah.

00:26:57.300 Oh my gosh.

00:26:58.480 Yeah.

00:27:00.780 That's,

00:27:01.020 that's who we should strive to be.

00:27:03.960 Yeah.

00:27:04.500 But that's a tall order.

00:27:07.320 We're a long way from that,

00:27:09.420 but it's a good,

00:27:11.180 it's kind of like the Declaration of Independence.

00:27:12.800 We hold these things to be self.

00:27:13.920 We've never been that country,

00:27:16.020 but we've had flashes of it and we're constantly trying.

00:27:19.660 And that is such a huge motto or mission statement that,

00:27:26.600 you know,

00:27:27.760 we may never get there,

00:27:29.540 but we should always strive and getting closer all the time.

00:27:34.420 Yeah.

00:27:36.260 Yeah.

00:27:38.320 Listen,

00:27:39.020 I mean,

00:27:39.160 there's,

00:27:39.540 there's so many confounding factors in all of this.

00:27:43.720 I do believe that the legacy media has played such a nefarious part in dividing us in pumping out rhetoric that is not just divisive,

00:27:55.720 but very toxic.

00:27:56.480 And so,

00:27:56.960 and by the way,

00:27:58.000 on both sides too.

00:27:58.820 I mean,

00:27:58.980 I don't think that it's just exclusively on one side or the other,

00:28:04.000 but that has created this.

00:28:08.180 There's the good guys and the bad guys.

00:28:09.680 And so,

00:28:11.000 it's not just right.

00:28:14.180 You know,

00:28:14.460 it's not just okay,

00:28:15.420 but it's good to hate those people.

00:28:19.380 It's good to hate orange man.

00:28:21.400 He's Hitler.

00:28:22.300 And therefore,

00:28:22.700 everyone who supports him must be a Nazi.

00:28:25.060 Like,

00:28:25.260 this is crazy talk,

00:28:26.960 right?

00:28:27.140 It's super crazy talk.

00:28:28.080 And that's the kind of stuff that we're having to fight against.

00:28:33.800 To me,

00:28:34.920 trying to,

00:28:36.120 trying to just explain to people or having conversations like this,

00:28:40.480 where we're talking about fundamentals,

00:28:42.860 is the only way that we're going to ultimately get there.

00:28:46.620 And again,

00:28:47.580 so much of it is tied into mental health.

00:28:49.660 I think Jesus was so,

00:28:52.360 you know,

00:28:54.100 tapped into understanding these concepts,

00:28:56.120 obviously,

00:28:56.720 because he's like,

00:28:57.340 well,

00:28:57.580 okay,

00:28:57.880 you want to,

00:28:59.660 ye who is without sin,

00:29:01.160 throw the first,

00:29:01.700 cast the first stone.

00:29:02.820 Like,

00:29:03.260 that's a real uno reverse card.

00:29:04.920 That's like,

00:29:05.600 yeah,

00:29:05.780 go for it.

00:29:06.620 But yeah,

00:29:07.320 have you everything,

00:29:08.240 you know?

00:29:09.300 And it really gave people this check in their spirit.

00:29:12.380 One of many things that he talked about,

00:29:14.320 but I will say though,

00:29:16.040 that I think part of it is also trying to help people redefine,

00:29:18.660 redefine or,

00:29:19.960 or find a better definition for certain terms that they don't,

00:29:23.840 that I think are a little confusing.

00:29:25.940 Sometimes love is one of those words.

00:29:27.920 When I talk about like,

00:29:29.120 I love everybody and I believe that we're all called to love everyone.

00:29:33.660 Most people go like,

00:29:35.520 that's bullshit.

00:29:36.160 Like you can't do that.

00:29:37.600 You don't like everybody.

00:29:38.920 And it's like,

00:29:39.380 no,

00:29:39.520 no,

00:29:39.860 you're right.

00:29:40.340 I don't like everybody,

00:29:41.280 but love and like are not the same thing.

00:29:43.120 Exactly right.

00:29:43.860 Like it.

00:29:44.440 Love is not graduated exponential love or love.

00:29:48.360 Exponential like.

00:29:49.500 Right.

00:29:51.340 And one of the best definitions I've ever heard Thomas Aquinas,

00:29:56.280 but I think it goes all the way back to like Aristotle or whatever,

00:29:58.820 or something like that.

00:29:59.600 But to love is to will the good of the other,

00:30:03.660 which means you don't have to like them.

00:30:05.240 You don't have to have her spend time with them.

00:30:06.740 You can actually have lots of firm boundaries with whomever this person is,

00:30:10.320 but you still want the best for their life.

00:30:13.200 This murderer,

00:30:14.280 you want them to be redeemed.

00:30:15.900 You want them to see the light.

00:30:17.300 You want them to come to their knees and beg the forgiveness of the family

00:30:21.260 that they have hurt,

00:30:22.500 not sit in court all smug and laughing at that.

00:30:25.720 Right.

00:30:26.100 That's the version of them that we want to hate.

00:30:28.660 But if we can get through that,

00:30:30.700 the only way to get through that is to see them as that child,

00:30:33.920 that five-year-old child of God that was screwed up and not absolve them of

00:30:39.080 their crime,

00:30:39.980 not say somehow,

00:30:40.760 well,

00:30:41.140 because yeah,

00:30:41.980 when you know,

00:30:42.480 they had a bad life,

00:30:43.340 so it's okay.

00:30:43.780 No,

00:30:43.900 it's not okay.

00:30:44.700 That act is not okay,

00:30:45.940 but it is very well in our best interest in theirs to want to will their good,

00:30:51.240 to want them to find the light.

00:30:52.760 You know,

00:30:53.260 I think it's,

00:30:54.060 I've been talking about this lately,

00:31:00.780 because I've struggled to describe exactly what you did so eloquently.

00:31:05.480 Just as a dad,

00:31:09.820 I've been thinking,

00:31:10.640 you know,

00:31:10.820 how we're just separating each other and well,

00:31:13.240 screw them.

00:31:15.500 If,

00:31:16.140 if I'm waiting at home for all my children to come home and three of them come

00:31:22.220 and they say,

00:31:23.720 and I say,

00:31:24.440 where,

00:31:24.740 where's your brother?

00:31:25.860 He was just too unreasonable.

00:31:29.780 We didn't even try.

00:31:30.820 We didn't,

00:31:31.580 he,

00:31:31.820 we,

00:31:32.040 we,

00:31:32.740 we hate him.

00:31:34.020 We hate him.

00:31:35.040 As a father,

00:31:37.280 I would say,

00:31:37.620 well,

00:31:37.860 wait,

00:31:38.300 wait,

00:31:39.360 wait,

00:31:40.060 you just left him behind.

00:31:41.900 You didn't talk to him.

00:31:43.720 You didn't try to love him enough to be,

00:31:47.520 to help turn his life around,

00:31:50.320 turn his mind around.

00:31:51.940 You just abandoned him.

00:31:53.780 I would be furious with my three kids.

00:31:56.860 And I don't think that's going to be different on the other side.

00:32:00.760 When we go home to God,

00:32:03.000 I don't think we're going to be able to say,

00:32:05.920 yeah,

00:32:06.040 but they were all Nazis.

00:32:07.940 Yeah.

00:32:08.400 They were voting different than me.

00:32:10.600 Yeah.

00:32:10.960 But you didn't even talk to them.

00:32:13.120 You did nothing.

00:32:13.840 And you're leaving your brother behind.

00:32:15.900 Yeah.

00:32:16.380 I,

00:32:16.800 I,

00:32:16.940 I wonder,

00:32:17.580 I mean,

00:32:17.940 you know,

00:32:18.540 whatever the other side,

00:32:20.260 like whatever that experience is,

00:32:21.480 it's going to be.

00:32:22.940 Um,

00:32:24.080 I have a feeling like,

00:32:25.700 yeah,

00:32:26.620 we're not going to be,

00:32:27.480 we're not going to be thinking any of that at all because we're going to be so consumed in the glory of God.

00:32:34.980 And,

00:32:35.060 and we get it everything.

00:32:37.340 And also,

00:32:38.080 yeah.

00:32:38.260 And I've heard some,

00:32:39.200 a lot of,

00:32:40.300 um,

00:32:41.320 a lot of,

00:32:41.980 uh,

00:32:42.260 like near death experiences and things,

00:32:44.460 you know,

00:32:44.960 people talk about,

00:32:45.800 you know,

00:32:46.420 the I'm over,

00:32:47.420 I'm hovering above my body.

00:32:48.680 You know,

00:32:49.060 I'm totally at peace.

00:32:49.900 I see the light.

00:32:50.440 I go toward the light.

00:32:51.100 I'm surrounded by love.

00:32:51.800 And then so many people have talked about,

00:32:54.100 um,

00:32:54.980 there's like a record of your life.

00:32:57.180 Yeah.

00:32:57.780 And you really do kind of like in,

00:32:59.600 in,

00:32:59.880 in an instant,

00:33:00.980 you're experiencing everything that you ever did and how you treated others,

00:33:06.180 not how other treated people treated you,

00:33:08.040 but how you treated others.

00:33:09.460 So as to learn from the experience that you had in that life.

00:33:12.660 And so I think,

00:33:13.680 yeah,

00:33:13.900 we'll be far more kind of tied up in all of that stuff.

00:33:16.440 but because of that,

00:33:18.740 because I do believe that we will be accountable for the way in which we carried ourselves,

00:33:23.600 um,

00:33:25.160 even more reason to try to find that humility to say,

00:33:31.860 Hey,

00:33:31.940 listen,

00:33:32.180 I could be wrong.

00:33:32.940 I could be wrong.

00:33:33.780 And if I can be wrong,

00:33:35.540 that means I have every opportunity to be able to cross the,

00:33:39.440 this chasm and say,

00:33:41.300 Hey,

00:33:41.480 can we talk?

00:33:42.780 I don't agree with you.

00:33:44.180 I think that everything you stand for is totally wrong,

00:33:47.240 but humility is the key.

00:33:49.580 Yeah.

00:33:50.080 If,

00:33:50.720 if you say,

00:33:51.780 Hey,

00:33:52.300 I want to talk to you,

00:33:53.040 but you're not asking me,

00:33:55.040 I really want to know how you got there.

00:33:57.520 Yeah.

00:33:57.820 Cause I don't,

00:33:58.580 I don't understand it at all.

00:34:00.860 And,

00:34:01.420 and then if you say something and I'm like,

00:34:04.660 Oh no,

00:34:05.100 I never thought of it that way.

00:34:06.360 Yeah.

00:34:07.420 Most people want to win right now.

00:34:10.520 They just want to win my side to win.

00:34:12.100 You,

00:34:12.780 if,

00:34:13.860 if you stop talking to each other,

00:34:16.320 I'm saying to you,

00:34:17.840 you have nothing to teach me.

00:34:19.720 Yeah.

00:34:20.460 And there's no growth.

00:34:22.520 Yeah.

00:34:22.860 But it,

00:34:23.280 it requires us to actually want to understand how did you get there?

00:34:30.460 How did this happen?

00:34:32.400 Like the killer,

00:34:33.600 what happened in your life?

00:34:35.220 How did you get to be that guy?

00:34:37.780 Yeah.

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00:35:40.480 And,

00:35:42.480 and to your point,

00:35:44.160 you know,

00:35:44.400 this is,

00:35:45.100 this is part of the problem.

00:35:46.520 What we're trying to fight against is that even people,

00:35:49.760 you know,

00:35:51.180 I'm obviously,

00:35:52.340 you know,

00:35:52.620 as the world knows now,

00:35:53.640 I'm,

00:35:53.820 I'm more conservative leaning in my political spectrum.

00:35:57.760 Um,

00:35:58.400 there are people on the conservative side of the political spectrum that I have a lot of respect for,

00:36:04.740 that I think are speaking a lot of truth.

00:36:07.600 And yet,

00:36:10.220 and I,

00:36:10.480 and I think they're good people,

00:36:12.360 right?

00:36:13.580 But the way that they carry themselves,

00:36:15.580 and this is echoed also on the left as well,

00:36:17.300 but I'm,

00:36:17.620 I'm not going to even attack that.

00:36:18.720 I'm just,

00:36:19.160 I want to even focus on our side of whatever this is,

00:36:21.800 because on the conservative side that should be leading by example,

00:36:26.680 there's snark and sarcasm and just the,

00:36:30.440 this,

00:36:31.020 this desire to destroy.

00:36:35.060 And because they have in their minds been,

00:36:37.600 like,

00:36:38.080 not even worth my time,

00:36:39.760 not worth my time sitting down with,

00:36:42.180 you know,

00:36:42.600 I don't know,

00:36:43.160 a trans man or a trans woman in no judgment and no hate and no nothing.

00:36:49.280 And just being like,

00:36:49.860 Hey,

00:36:50.000 I don't agree.

00:36:50.920 I,

00:36:51.080 I don't think any of us are born in the wrong body.

00:36:53.520 I don't think that biological men should be in women's sports.

00:36:56.660 I don't think that biological men should be in women's spaces.

00:36:58.740 I think that there's logic and reason to back these things up,

00:37:02.320 but I see you as a human being and I see that you are scared.

00:37:06.080 So let's take a moment and let's talk about this so that you can be less scared about what we believe is probably the right thing to do.

00:37:13.380 But there is no grace.

00:37:14.960 There is no love.

00:37:15.780 There is no just patience in that because there is no humility.

00:37:19.000 How much of that is trained?

00:37:21.100 I grew up with Bruce Jenner on the Wheaties box.

00:37:25.160 I,

00:37:25.480 I poured my cereal out of boxes with him on it.

00:37:28.840 Yeah.

00:37:29.040 When I found out he felt trapped in his body and,

00:37:33.920 and I,

00:37:35.380 I mean,

00:37:36.220 it brought me to tears.

00:37:37.080 I'm like,

00:37:37.580 my gosh,

00:37:38.820 all of this time he's feeling that I'm not going to judge him.

00:37:45.380 I don't,

00:37:46.060 I,

00:37:46.360 I didn't have that experience.

00:37:47.420 I felt bad that he lived his whole life thinking that way.

00:37:53.680 That doesn't make,

00:37:54.820 doesn't mean that I'm going to go take him to the hospital and say,

00:37:57.700 Oh,

00:37:58.580 that's a woman doc.

00:38:00.580 Yeah.

00:38:00.860 That's absolutely a woman.

00:38:02.100 No,

00:38:02.740 he's not.

00:38:03.780 He's not.

00:38:04.380 And that's okay.

00:38:05.680 Well,

00:38:06.000 and by the way,

00:38:07.320 even Bruce,

00:38:08.360 Caitlyn Jenner,

00:38:10.400 one of the things I,

00:38:12.020 I,

00:38:12.300 I love about them,

00:38:14.200 her,

00:38:14.840 uh,

00:38:15.160 I'm actually not sure what their preferred pronouns are,

00:38:17.140 but I'll just call her her because that's how she feels.

00:38:20.320 Um,

00:38:21.380 but she has been very vocally standing up and saying things like I'm not a woman and I don't,

00:38:27.060 and I shouldn't be in biological biological women's sports.

00:38:30.380 And so I have so much respect for that because it's,

00:38:33.560 that's someone who recognizes this was a personal choice for me.

00:38:36.540 Yes.

00:38:37.100 That does not give me any right to then force this personal choice of mine into your life in any way,

00:38:42.360 shape or form.

00:38:42.940 And that is one of the foundational principles of this country.

00:38:47.720 It's like,

00:38:48.220 you should have the liberty and the right to live your life as an adult to make decisions in whatever capacity you want.

00:38:54.940 So long as they are not infringing upon the liberties of anyone else around you.

00:38:58.560 That's how it works.

00:38:59.780 Now we're getting into this.

00:39:01.220 Well,

00:39:01.680 this child believes that they're in the wrong body.

00:39:05.200 And of course,

00:39:05.860 there's no programming or any,

00:39:07.160 you know,

00:39:07.700 any of that thing going on,

00:39:09.260 which obviously there is,

00:39:10.240 but this child feels this way.

00:39:11.420 And so we should indulge them in that.

00:39:13.700 And we should push that along and we should confirm that they are in fact in the wrong body.

00:39:17.660 And then when we can enlist eight-year-olds into the army,

00:39:21.920 when we tell eight-year-olds they can drive,

00:39:24.720 they can get tattoos,

00:39:26.020 they can get tattoos.

00:39:27.480 You,

00:39:28.000 you might,

00:39:29.100 you'll have,

00:39:29.740 I won't ever go there because I wouldn't have gone there on the other things,

00:39:32.780 but at least you'd have a case.

00:39:34.800 You're saying to me that an eight or a 12 year old who can't do any of these other things,

00:39:40.700 you're,

00:39:41.420 can make the biggest decision of their life.

00:39:44.900 That will stop them perhaps from having children or even having,

00:39:49.100 by the way,

00:39:49.340 or even have sex.

00:39:50.460 Yeah.

00:39:50.680 Like pleasure.

00:39:51.240 There's no pleasure.

00:39:52.080 There's no orgasm.

00:39:52.760 And I don't think these kids have any kind of,

00:39:54.540 because they're not even pubescent.

00:39:55.960 They're probably idea that when they turn 16,

00:39:59.060 they're going to have this thing kick on and they're going to want to feel good with it.

00:40:02.920 And all of a sudden it's like,

00:40:04.000 Oh,

00:40:04.120 I don't even have any of those things anymore.

00:40:05.880 Like it is criminal.

00:40:07.520 It's criminal that this stuff is going on.

00:40:09.360 It's criminal.

00:40:09.420 And hopefully,

00:40:10.980 thank God,

00:40:12.340 the election went the way that I hoped it would.

00:40:16.460 Me too.

00:40:16.780 And,

00:40:17.020 and you too.

00:40:18.060 And we have people in office or that are about to go get into office that will hold all of that to more account because we need to.

00:40:26.220 And it doesn't mean that we're now going to tell everybody,

00:40:29.100 this is the way you need to live your life.

00:40:30.140 And it's like,

00:40:30.460 no,

00:40:30.640 no,

00:40:31.020 we just need to,

00:40:31.760 there,

00:40:31.920 there is common sense that has been thrown out the window and we just,

00:40:35.580 we got to get back to common.

00:40:36.560 Here's the,

00:40:37.160 we used to,

00:40:38.940 we were a melting pot,

00:40:40.500 not because you had to conform,

00:40:42.420 but because we believed these things are self-evident and it's a very short list.

00:40:51.440 It's the bill of rights.

00:40:52.820 Yeah.

00:40:53.340 That's what brought us together.

00:40:54.620 Can you agree with me that man has these rights and government should never,

00:40:59.240 then you and I can disagree on,

00:41:01.760 on everything.

00:41:02.860 Yeah,

00:41:02.940 exactly.

00:41:03.380 Anything.

00:41:03.880 Exactly.

00:41:04.280 But we have to come together on these few things and nobody's,

00:41:09.960 we're going to disagree on taxes and,

00:41:13.220 and how you should live your life and God and everything else.

00:41:17.860 What set us apart was we could live as neighbors.

00:41:22.540 If we just said,

00:41:24.100 yeah,

00:41:25.160 you have the same rights I have.

00:41:27.320 Nobody has special rights.

00:41:28.780 And the government cannot tell either one of us what to do.

00:41:35.360 The,

00:41:35.640 the,

00:41:35.880 the thing that I hope happens,

00:41:38.980 and it's why RFK,

00:41:42.440 we've joked about it,

00:41:43.520 but RFK back in 2004,

00:41:46.300 uh,

00:41:47.480 called for my execution as a trader.

00:41:49.660 Cause I,

00:41:50.400 cause I didn't,

00:41:51.300 I said,

00:41:52.360 I can see the thermometer.

00:41:54.160 I think we should all be green,

00:41:56.680 but I'm not sure the science actually is accurate.

00:42:00.860 That was not good enough for him at the time.

00:42:03.860 And,

00:42:04.300 uh,

00:42:04.640 you know,

00:42:04.820 he's a trader.

00:42:05.280 And he actually said to me on my own show,

00:42:07.820 you should be tried as a trader.

00:42:10.160 And I said,

00:42:10.580 that's constitutional.

00:42:11.620 That's execution.

00:42:14.100 We've joked about it since he's like,

00:42:15.720 I've changed a lot.

00:42:16.720 Yeah.

00:42:17.800 He has.

00:42:18.640 He has.

00:42:19.320 And how great is that?

00:42:20.760 Yes.

00:42:21.140 God gives us that ability to,

00:42:23.480 as we go through our lives,

00:42:25.860 we should all be evolving.

00:42:27.020 We should,

00:42:27.220 we should all be changing.

00:42:28.140 We should all be learning.

00:42:28.900 If you're not learning and growing and changing,

00:42:30.880 you're dead.

00:42:31.560 You're literally just the walking dead.

00:42:33.240 Yeah.

00:42:33.940 And,

00:42:34.380 and yeah,

00:42:34.760 listen,

00:42:35.560 but I was going to say what I liked,

00:42:37.800 what I,

00:42:38.340 what I like about this is.

00:42:42.040 Elon Musk is one of the most brilliant men alive today.

00:42:46.340 He's a Thomas Jefferson.

00:42:48.140 Okay.

00:42:49.180 Um,

00:42:50.120 RFK has,

00:42:52.400 is saying things and believes things that I'm not sure are true,

00:42:57.540 but I'm not sure he's wrong.

00:42:59.960 You know what I mean?

00:43:00.900 He studied his whole life.

00:43:02.280 I'm not hiring an expert to just tell me what's true,

00:43:06.040 but he'll expose what's there.

00:43:09.020 All of the people that are around Donald Trump now,

00:43:11.760 and it wouldn't have happened if he won in 2020.

00:43:14.000 I know.

00:43:14.300 I agree.

00:43:14.800 Are all people who say,

00:43:17.200 this doesn't work.

00:43:19.240 The,

00:43:19.680 the constitution works,

00:43:21.420 the bill of rights work,

00:43:23.060 but the way we're executing government doesn't work.

00:43:26.660 No one's held accountable.

00:43:28.020 And we have to,

00:43:30.620 we have to go back now and go,

00:43:32.740 I don't care if you go to,

00:43:34.780 I want you to go to jail.

00:43:35.820 If you broke the law and I don't care who you are,

00:43:37.660 but if you were pardoned,

00:43:39.760 okay,

00:43:39.940 let's say he pardons everybody involved in COVID.

00:43:42.160 I think that's a mistake,

00:43:43.700 but I want the files exposed so no one can hide.

00:43:50.280 I want to know the truth so we can never repeat these mistakes,

00:43:55.580 or at least not for a while.

00:43:57.580 Yeah.

00:43:57.980 Yeah.

00:43:58.280 And listen,

00:43:59.300 I,

00:43:59.700 yeah,

00:44:00.420 I,

00:44:00.560 I think that I'm with you.

00:44:02.480 I think that,

00:44:02.920 you know,

00:44:03.220 anyone who has been involved in lying to the American people,

00:44:09.440 the people of the world,

00:44:10.320 really.

00:44:10.660 I mean,

00:44:10.840 I,

00:44:11.140 I,

00:44:11.660 and I definitely think that the pandemic is full of deception,

00:44:16.640 full of deception.

00:44:17.560 Oh,

00:44:17.800 and,

00:44:18.060 and,

00:44:18.200 and,

00:44:18.540 and knowing evil deception.

00:44:23.320 Absolutely.

00:44:23.840 Yeah.

00:44:24.000 And I want all of those people to be held accountable,

00:44:28.200 but to your point,

00:44:29.320 even more important,

00:44:31.160 even if for some reason,

00:44:32.200 those people get pardoned by Biden before he gets out,

00:44:34.760 which would be very interesting.

00:44:35.740 Like,

00:44:35.860 why are you pardoning somebody that they're not accused of?

00:44:37.500 Yeah,

00:44:37.760 I know.

00:44:38.140 What's going on?

00:44:39.120 I know.

00:44:40.020 Also,

00:44:40.540 how is he even allowed to be making any of these decisions if he was

00:44:43.640 already deemed unfit to run,

00:44:45.800 rerun as president?

00:44:46.620 I don't understand.

00:44:47.260 But anyway,

00:44:49.000 but even more important is that the light is shown.

00:44:52.660 Yes.

00:44:52.820 And that everything is revealed.

00:44:54.340 Because without that,

00:44:56.120 even if there's not prosecution of these various ringleaders,

00:44:59.380 if we don't all know the truth,

00:45:00.780 then we all can't come back together as people.

00:45:02.460 Correct.

00:45:02.840 Right now,

00:45:03.680 because I've made some statements about my thoughts on the vaccine,

00:45:07.480 and that I do believe that they are linked to turbo cancers.

00:45:10.840 Me too.

00:45:11.120 And that a friend of mine was a victim of that.

00:45:14.100 I've been dragged for that.

00:45:15.540 People of like,

00:45:16.100 how dare you even insinuate that this is something that he did to himself?

00:45:20.400 And I was like,

00:45:20.900 first of all,

00:45:21.440 I'm,

00:45:21.700 I'm not blaming him.

00:45:24.040 My friend who I did Broadway with,

00:45:26.040 he was a wonderful human being.

00:45:28.380 And I believe that he trusted his bosses who trusted the government.

00:45:32.880 Yes.

00:45:33.460 Those,

00:45:34.000 that is who we must hold accountable.

00:45:35.300 And,

00:45:36.800 and if we don't ever get to the bottom of all of this,

00:45:40.040 or rather,

00:45:41.020 we are getting,

00:45:41.720 this is the ironic thing.

00:45:42.940 We're actually getting to the bottom of it,

00:45:44.280 but it's just not being reported.

00:45:45.600 It's not being really shown.

00:45:47.820 But there,

00:45:48.200 if you,

00:45:48.860 you know,

00:45:49.900 for anybody watching right now,

00:45:51.520 go and Google SV40,

00:45:54.680 Simeon virus 40.

00:45:55.600 I don't know if you're familiar with this monkey virus,

00:46:00.200 40,

00:46:00.660 Simeon virus 40.

00:46:01.640 Okay.

00:46:02.080 Simeon virus,

00:46:02.740 virus 40 was basically with any,

00:46:05.660 um,

00:46:07.720 inoculations vaccines,

00:46:09.060 right there.

00:46:10.280 Um,

00:46:11.180 there's DNA and things involved and the original polio vaccine that they were

00:46:16.420 developing,

00:46:16.880 they put Simeon virus 40 into that vaccine.

00:46:20.340 Um,

00:46:20.900 I can't remember the name of the doctor,

00:46:22.400 but he very famously in front of an auditorium,

00:46:24.700 um,

00:46:25.700 he injected two of his grandchildren with this vaccine to prove its safety.

00:46:31.900 His granddaughter died of cancer within like six months.

00:46:35.600 His grandson ended up getting so sick that he lost limbs.

00:46:39.280 I mean,

00:46:39.700 it was,

00:46:40.020 it was horrible.

00:46:40.780 The government has known and the pharmaceutical industry has known that SV40 as a DNA.

00:46:49.720 Creates these cancers,

00:46:50.900 creates turbo cancers.

00:46:51.980 It's,

00:46:52.200 it's very well documented.

00:46:53.640 And for some reason,

00:46:54.780 Pfizer decided to use it as its vector of DNA in its vaccines to then replicate the RNA.

00:47:01.460 Oh my gosh.

00:47:02.500 Oh yeah,

00:47:02.840 dude.

00:47:03.020 It's,

00:47:03.740 I mean,

00:47:04.000 you know,

00:47:04.320 and again,

00:47:04.800 people would look at me and they go conspiracy theorists and blah,

00:47:08.540 blah,

00:47:08.560 blah.

00:47:08.780 It's like,

00:47:09.280 you know what?

00:47:10.040 Fine.

00:47:10.380 If you don't want to go and just simply Google and do it,

00:47:14.320 listen,

00:47:14.620 sometimes it's difficult because there's so much stuff out there.

00:47:17.120 But go to the original source.

00:47:19.660 Yeah.

00:47:19.880 You,

00:47:20.220 there's so much original source stuff out there.

00:47:24.040 Yeah.

00:47:24.380 I mean,

00:47:24.700 I did,

00:47:25.280 we were eight months into COVID and I did a,

00:47:30.760 I think it was like a two day special showing,

00:47:33.960 no,

00:47:34.920 no,

00:47:34.940 no,

00:47:35.040 wait,

00:47:35.240 here's the document that the way where they're talking about all this stuff.

00:47:40.600 Yeah.

00:47:40.720 Here's the document from Pfizer that's saying all this stuff.

00:47:44.720 Yeah.

00:47:44.940 And people choose not to believe.

00:47:49.900 And it's you,

00:47:52.260 you,

00:47:52.420 you,

00:47:52.600 you can only the deny the truth for so long before everything caves in on you.

00:47:59.100 Yeah.

00:47:59.220 Well,

00:47:59.480 it's cognitive dissonance.

00:48:00.460 I mean,

00:48:00.640 it's,

00:48:00.940 it,

00:48:01.540 it's very difficult for people.

00:48:03.380 And I understand this,

00:48:04.480 you know,

00:48:04.900 we all struggle with this on some level,

00:48:06.340 but it's very difficult to hold two seemingly very oppositional viewpoints.

00:48:12.320 Yeah.

00:48:12.580 Intention together.

00:48:13.500 Yeah.

00:48:13.800 And in this case,

00:48:14.820 it's,

00:48:15.380 I can both live a happy,

00:48:18.200 healthy life.

00:48:18.740 I can work,

00:48:19.340 I can have a family.

00:48:20.180 I can,

00:48:20.640 you know,

00:48:20.860 go on vacations.

00:48:21.460 I can do all of these things and I'm good and I'm safe and all of that.

00:48:24.760 And also there is so much corruption at the top of our government and various industries that they absolutely know that they are harming us and making money off of that.

00:48:35.800 These are both true things in my opinion.

00:48:38.480 And I think for a lot of people,

00:48:39.840 they're like,

00:48:40.220 I can't,

00:48:43.400 cannot believe that will not believe that because if I believe that it would shatter a lot of what they are pinning their happiness.

00:48:50.740 That's what I was talking about when I said you're afraid to look inside because you don't know what's there.

00:48:56.300 You're afraid to shatter this life because it's all you know.

00:49:00.460 You know,

00:49:01.360 if you recognize this stuff,

00:49:03.520 a lot of this is going to change in your life.

00:49:06.480 Yeah.

00:49:06.700 And that's terrifying.

00:49:08.140 People don't like change.

00:49:09.740 No.

00:49:10.400 And that terrifies them.

00:49:11.620 And so they,

00:49:12.280 they build up this.

00:49:14.520 I'm not even going to look at it.

00:49:16.180 It's at best.

00:49:17.400 They'll say it's too big.

00:49:19.040 I can't do anything about it.

00:49:20.440 I don't care.

00:49:21.160 Yeah.

00:49:21.780 Well,

00:49:22.680 you do actually.

00:49:23.860 You're just protecting this because you're human and you're afraid.

00:49:29.120 It's okay.

00:49:30.020 Yeah.

00:49:30.540 When it comes to therapy,

00:49:31.800 I think we're definitely terrified of the change that will come through because we have,

00:49:38.500 you know,

00:49:39.140 we,

00:49:39.560 we think we like ourselves and like,

00:49:42.200 I don't want to lose all the good parts of me.

00:49:44.260 I know when I went to therapy,

00:49:45.240 that's,

00:49:45.540 I was definitely afraid that somehow I'm going to have to let go of all that is good about me and

00:49:51.460 your good parts get better.

00:49:53.200 Exactly.

00:49:54.160 Exactly.

00:49:54.860 It just amplifies the better version of you.

00:49:57.660 And you get to kind of just strip away all of this baggage and all of these things that have

00:50:01.940 been holding you back and slowing you down and putting you in bad moods because you don't

00:50:06.500 realize you're being triggered by a trauma that you didn't even realize you had.

00:50:09.420 Right.

00:50:09.540 And so therapy can be so amazing and life-changing and life-saving.

00:50:15.560 And,

00:50:15.660 and yes,

00:50:16.680 to your point,

00:50:17.280 the same,

00:50:17.920 when it comes to these like big concepts in the world,

00:50:20.200 it's like,

00:50:20.660 no,

00:50:20.840 I have an idea of who I am and what the world is.

00:50:22.640 And I don't want that to change.

00:50:23.880 It's terrifying to go down that road and allow it to.

00:50:26.540 And so that's why we need it all exposed.

00:50:29.180 I used to be,

00:50:31.200 you know,

00:50:32.920 flag waving,

00:50:33.960 you know,

00:50:35.020 uncle Sam.

00:50:35.960 I hate uncle Sam.

00:50:37.040 He's wearing striped pants for a reason.

00:50:39.780 Okay.

00:50:39.900 He should be in jail.

00:50:41.200 He should not be trusted.

00:50:43.420 But I used to love all of that stuff.

00:50:46.780 And I remember reading a book,

00:50:49.720 probably 2003.

00:50:51.020 And I stopped about a chapter in and I thought,

00:50:57.040 I have to call the author and talk to him myself to make sure he's sane.

00:51:03.020 And he's,

00:51:04.280 he,

00:51:05.200 he's level headed and he's not a crazy conspiracy guy because I knew if I read

00:51:10.600 any more of this,

00:51:11.680 it's going to begin to unravel everything I believe.

00:51:15.840 But instead of it just unraveling everything I believed,

00:51:20.520 it forced me then to say,

00:51:23.740 wow,

00:51:24.060 we did all of these horrible things.

00:51:27.500 How did we also do all of these things?

00:51:30.960 So I came to this place where is America a good country or a bad country?

00:51:38.600 The answer is yes,

00:51:40.920 we're both,

00:51:42.400 but we should be learning from this column and pushing this column up instead of

00:51:48.840 just giving up on it.

00:51:51.500 Yeah,

00:51:52.180 it's really unfortunate.

00:51:53.620 It's really unfortunate that,

00:51:55.240 um,

00:51:56.100 it's really unfortunate that the people I think are,

00:51:59.240 that are actually most patriotic about the United States,

00:52:01.880 at least now are also the ones most willing to recognize how corrupted it is.

00:52:07.600 Yeah.

00:52:07.840 You know,

00:52:08.760 um,

00:52:09.680 I mean,

00:52:10.580 my mom,

00:52:11.620 God bless her.

00:52:12.140 I mean,

00:52:12.300 she,

00:52:12.820 she did a lot of good,

00:52:13.760 even throughout whatever the traumas and all that were,

00:52:16.060 um,

00:52:17.220 she did a lot of good in,

00:52:18.780 in bringing me and my sisters up.

00:52:20.320 And one of those things that she and my dad both instilled in us was a,

00:52:23.620 was a healthy level of distrust of the government.

00:52:26.640 Um,

00:52:27.080 because they knew,

00:52:28.140 they knew that even for all of the great things that the United States has been,

00:52:31.900 still is represents,

00:52:33.620 does in the world,

00:52:34.400 all of those things.

00:52:36.000 There is deep,

00:52:36.900 deep,

00:52:37.140 deep,

00:52:37.440 deep,

00:52:37.800 deep corruption.

00:52:39.260 And the,

00:52:40.420 and the deep state and all of these things that are pulling strings and,

00:52:43.340 you know,

00:52:43.640 coups and,

00:52:44.340 I mean,

00:52:44.520 what's happening in Syria right now?

00:52:45.820 It's like,

00:52:46.360 I know it's crazy.

00:52:48.340 What's happening in Ukraine.

00:52:49.500 What's happening?

00:52:50.260 We're sending billions of more dollars.

00:52:51.980 For what?

00:52:52.940 Well,

00:52:53.200 so that BlackRock and Vanguard and State Street and everybody can go,

00:52:57.220 rebuild and own the farmland,

00:53:00.920 own it all,

00:53:01.480 man.

00:53:01.780 And it's right there.

00:53:02.640 It's happening right in front of our face.

00:53:03.940 And so it does,

00:53:05.080 it puts us in a very weird position because it's like,

00:53:07.380 well,

00:53:07.580 well,

00:53:08.460 I want to be proud of my country and I want to be patriotic because I really

00:53:11.020 do.

00:53:11.160 And I am.

00:53:12.520 But I think at this point in human history,

00:53:14.880 in American history,

00:53:15.680 to actually want to,

00:53:17.180 to love your country and be patriotic about it is to want to dismantle what is

00:53:22.040 happening right now.

00:53:22.760 That's what our founders said.

00:53:24.300 Absolutely.

00:53:24.860 That's what our founders said.

00:53:25.800 When you were talking about the guy in Guantanamo,

00:53:29.100 you know,

00:53:29.580 it drove me nuts when,

00:53:32.900 what kind of country can say,

00:53:36.000 we don't torture.

00:53:37.140 We do not torture people.

00:53:39.700 Now,

00:53:40.360 I'm going to put you on a ghost plane and send you over to Egypt who will torture the crap out of you.

00:53:48.120 But that wasn't us.

00:53:49.060 But that's not us.

00:53:49.960 That's no,

00:53:50.920 no,

00:53:52.480 no,

00:53:52.640 that's not us.

00:53:54.200 If you believe that torture is right,

00:53:57.760 I don't.

00:53:58.640 But if you believe that torture is right,

00:54:00.600 we should have that discussion and it should be out.

00:54:03.200 And this is who we are.

00:54:05.060 There is nothing in the shadow over here.

00:54:07.500 This is what we believe.

00:54:09.840 This is how we live.

00:54:12.720 I know,

00:54:13.120 big things.

00:54:13.860 That's not that hard.

00:54:15.100 No.

00:54:15.500 And,

00:54:15.980 and more than that,

00:54:16.980 you know,

00:54:17.440 as people that,

00:54:18.820 that believe in spirituality and energy and morality,

00:54:22.660 and as it pertains to all of that,

00:54:25.860 you know,

00:54:26.200 if we or any country,

00:54:27.900 I think wants to be right.

00:54:30.780 Yeah.

00:54:31.300 Be in alignment with good and God.

00:54:35.180 You cannot be walking in deception.

00:54:37.200 You cannot be walking in these clandestine,

00:54:39.400 you know,

00:54:39.580 Oh,

00:54:39.920 I'm putting on this show,

00:54:40.580 but we're doing this thing over here.

00:54:41.920 No,

00:54:42.500 that is not,

00:54:43.040 that is not,

00:54:43.860 uh,

00:54:44.720 of integrity.

00:54:45.380 We,

00:54:45.580 we,

00:54:45.840 we have to be,

00:54:46.780 we have to be transparent.

00:54:48.300 We have to be authentic.

00:54:49.440 If we feel like we need to do certain things that are going to be difficult things to do in order to protect something that is of extreme value,

00:54:57.500 liberty,

00:54:57.980 freedom,

00:54:58.500 all of these things,

00:54:59.500 obviously,

00:55:00.160 you know,

00:55:00.660 it's not always easy.

00:55:02.160 This is not a,

00:55:02.960 um,

00:55:04.420 a clean fight all of the time.

00:55:06.820 No understood.

00:55:07.800 But we have been operating again.

00:55:10.580 And by we,

00:55:12.020 the government,

00:55:12.540 the government and not even the full government,

00:55:14.280 right?

00:55:14.420 This is actually one of the things that blows my mind.

00:55:16.920 And then I think also kind of keeps everybody confused because I think a lot of people who vote Republican think,

00:55:22.500 well,

00:55:22.580 every Republican is great.

00:55:23.760 And every Democrat,

00:55:24.640 oh my gosh,

00:55:25.220 and every,

00:55:25.660 and people who vote Democrats feel the same way.

00:55:28.480 And I try to talk to everybody and I go,

00:55:30.760 Hey,

00:55:30.840 listen,

00:55:31.100 there is a duopoly of power and it is a sect of both Republicans and Democrats that sit at the top of whatever all that pile is.

00:55:41.080 And they influence both of their parties greatly,

00:55:43.400 but a lot of the party under them are not affiliated with,

00:55:47.900 are not actually a part.

00:55:48.820 They might get manipulated by them,

00:55:50.460 but they're not a part of that corruption.

00:55:52.400 And some of them may want to go in there,

00:55:54.440 but it's,

00:55:55.280 it's this controlling that octopus of the administrative state that no one has voted for.

00:56:02.380 No one knows who they are.

00:56:03.960 That's what's actually happening.

00:56:07.220 Yeah.

00:56:07.360 The rest,

00:56:07.960 I,

00:56:08.240 I,

00:56:08.440 I mean,

00:56:09.760 all the world is but a stage.

00:56:11.460 Yeah.

00:56:11.880 I've heard that in my mind for the last 10 years,

00:56:14.540 everything I watch,

00:56:15.300 I'm like,

00:56:15.620 uh-huh.

00:56:16.300 Uh-huh.

00:56:16.580 Oh yeah,

00:56:16.860 that's,

00:56:17.140 yeah,

00:56:17.520 that's what's happening.

00:56:18.440 No,

00:56:19.340 we're,

00:56:19.640 we're arguing Trump,

00:56:22.520 Biden,

00:56:22.840 Trump,

00:56:23.140 Biden,

00:56:23.440 Trump,

00:56:23.740 Biden,

00:56:24.220 you know,

00:56:24.560 or,

00:56:24.880 uh,

00:56:26.000 uh,

00:56:26.840 all of these,

00:56:27.940 we're not even talking about.

00:56:29.860 No.

00:56:30.380 The real issues.

00:56:31.920 None of it.

00:56:32.420 They've got us all.

00:56:33.360 I mean,

00:56:33.620 it's,

00:56:33.880 it's a really clever scheme.

00:56:35.700 It's brilliant.

00:56:36.440 They just keep us all fighting about things that aren't the actual thing we ought to be really fighting about,

00:56:41.560 which would mean holding them accountable.

00:56:43.060 If we're all distracted talking about trans rights,

00:56:45.940 if we're all distracted talking about DEI,

00:56:47.820 we're all distracted talking about whatever.

00:56:50.020 If we're all thinking,

00:56:51.000 oh,

00:56:51.080 this is Democrat versus Republican or conservative versus liberal,

00:56:53.680 then we're all lost in the game that they want us playing.

00:56:57.220 We are not talking about,

00:56:59.140 I am almost out of time and I have something I really want to talk to you about,

00:57:03.020 but if you'll come back,

00:57:04.960 I really want to talk to you about AI.

00:57:06.780 Cause you know,

00:57:07.980 AI,

00:57:08.880 I have been,

00:57:10.640 I've,

00:57:11.040 I've met with Ray Kurzweil several times.

00:57:13.160 You know who he is?

00:57:14.060 Okay.

00:57:14.540 Yeah.

00:57:15.240 So I think he is,

00:57:17.020 I think he is a genius and he is scary as hell.

00:57:20.720 Yeah.

00:57:20.860 Um,

00:57:21.640 he is,

00:57:22.880 he,

00:57:23.480 he has enough evil scientists in him to scare the bejesus out of me.

00:57:28.320 And I've said that to his face.

00:57:29.500 Sure.

00:57:30.060 Um,

00:57:30.540 but if,

00:57:32.000 if we're bogged down on all of these things,

00:57:35.100 we're not talking about what's just in front of us with AI.

00:57:40.880 And it is game changing in the next two years,

00:57:45.940 four years,

00:57:46.840 two years.

00:57:47.340 Yeah.

00:57:47.920 Uh,

00:57:48.500 yeah.

00:57:49.160 Listen,

00:57:49.520 I mean,

00:57:49.720 definitely I would love to come back and we can talk more about it,

00:57:52.100 but suffice to say for now,

00:57:53.340 and I really don't like,

00:57:55.440 I'm a,

00:57:55.820 I'm a,

00:57:56.260 I think a realistic optimist.

00:57:57.740 Like I,

00:57:58.120 I,

00:57:58.380 I don't like to just be dour.

00:58:00.840 Yeah.

00:58:01.060 Yeah.

00:58:01.260 Right.

00:58:01.820 And dire about things,

00:58:02.740 but I,

00:58:05.280 as far as I can tell,

00:58:06.480 we are very close within two years,

00:58:10.140 two to five years max of the entire face of this planet being unrecognizable when it comes to how it's going to infiltrate every single industry and workforce.

00:58:22.900 Like,

00:58:23.480 I don't think people realize that we're on the precipice of massive layoffs,

00:58:26.820 like massive,

00:58:27.340 massive people have no idea that by 2030,

00:58:31.260 there could be 10 people that are actually gathering all of the wealth,

00:58:36.440 making all of the decisions.

00:58:38.620 And the rest of it is a hellscape run by and guarded by AI where you don't move.

00:58:46.100 Yeah.

00:58:46.280 Now that's a horrible thing to think of,

00:58:49.800 but we have to,

00:58:51.340 but we have to,

00:58:52.300 we have to,

00:58:52.640 we cannot go,

00:58:53.240 we cannot do this.

00:58:54.220 Yeah,

00:58:54.460 we can't do this.

00:58:55.640 It's look at,

00:58:57.220 yeah,

00:58:57.840 this is a miracle,

00:58:59.440 yeah,

00:58:59.840 but it is also destroying humanity.

00:59:03.460 It's destroying our children.

00:59:06.020 We are,

00:59:06.740 we,

00:59:06.900 we just did the biggest human experiment ever.

00:59:10.280 Just like here,

00:59:11.560 buy one of these,

00:59:12.720 have your kids on it.

00:59:13.860 Yeah.

00:59:14.180 We just,

00:59:15.020 we know now that's not good.

00:59:18.140 And we're about to get something a trillion times more powerful than this could ever be.

00:59:26.780 Yeah.

00:59:27.400 And we're all going to interact with it and we're not going to talk about it.

00:59:30.720 It's terrifying.

00:59:31.840 Well,

00:59:32.020 and,

00:59:32.220 and I will say just before we,

00:59:34.220 we,

00:59:34.660 we take off here,

00:59:35.700 but you know,

00:59:36.320 I do think that the entertainment industry is going to be,

00:59:39.200 you know,

00:59:39.900 a cannon area in the coal mine because anything that we're recording,

00:59:43.980 audio,

00:59:44.760 video,

00:59:45.200 anything that all goes through a computer and NVIDIA graphics are now photorealistic.

00:59:50.040 So I think in just a few years,

00:59:52.620 you know,

00:59:53.160 you'll be able to go to whatever Disney plus and,

00:59:55.580 and for $10 more per month or whatever it is,

00:59:58.300 you get to go to their creator section and you get to literally type in any of their assets,

01:00:02.900 any characters from any movies of anything that Disney owns.

01:00:05.660 And so it's like,

01:00:06.180 I want Captain America and Indiana Jones and Flynn Rider from Tangled or whatever it is.

01:00:10.480 And I want them on a,

01:00:11.580 you know,

01:00:12.300 a treasure hunt on Mars that feels like it was directed by Steven Spielberg enter.

01:00:16.720 And then you will get a one of one,

01:00:18.180 you will sit at home and you will get a one of one movie that nobody's ever seen.

01:00:21.160 And then you can share that with your friends and they'll be making movies and they'll share them with you and all of these things.

01:00:25.000 Well,

01:00:25.340 then who goes to the movie theaters anymore?

01:00:27.100 Who goes and rents or anything,

01:00:28.900 a human made movie.

01:00:29.940 You don't need to,

01:00:30.560 you won't have to.

01:00:31.600 So who actually,

01:00:32.640 who actually profits off of that?

01:00:35.920 Disney.

01:00:36.580 Yeah.

01:00:37.300 That's it.

01:00:38.140 Yeah.

01:00:38.740 Well,

01:00:39.280 there'll probably be some,

01:00:40.720 I would hope there's still some royalties that go to whoever created any of that particular IP.

01:00:45.340 Sure.

01:00:45.580 But who knows what that will ultimately all look like,

01:00:47.540 right?

01:00:47.840 Right.

01:00:48.060 And again,

01:00:48.300 that's just one example.

01:00:49.360 I know.

01:00:49.620 I know.

01:00:50.060 Yeah.

01:00:51.340 All right.

01:00:51.920 More with Zachary Levi in a second.

01:00:53.480 First,

01:00:53.740 let me tell you about Homestead.

01:00:55.940 This is a film that's out from Angel Studios coming to theaters on December 20th.

01:01:01.820 I think it's really good.

01:01:03.060 But I watched it about a week ago.

01:01:05.940 It's what happens to a nation when Los Angeles is devastated in a nuclear attack.

01:01:13.580 It is amazing.

01:01:16.040 It follows an ex-Green Beret who joins a prepper compound.

01:01:20.640 It is jam-packed with heart-pounding tension, moral dilemmas, and a story that cuts to the

01:01:27.640 core of what it means to actually survive.

01:01:29.980 It explores the humanity behind the apocalypse.

01:01:34.480 It's going to keep you on the edge of your seat from start to finish.

01:01:37.720 You're going to love it.

01:01:38.340 It's an action movie.

01:01:39.400 It's a love story and a story about community.

01:01:42.440 How we have to lean on each other in times of crisis and chaos.

01:01:46.600 I highly recommend you see it.

01:01:48.520 Pre-order your tickets now and get a chance to win a $300,000 giveaway, which includes

01:01:54.820 one Bitcoin, fully furnished tiny home from Box House, and a custom Polaris OHV by Sparks

01:02:02.840 Motors, and everything else you'd need to start your own homestead.

01:02:06.920 You can pre-order those tickets at angel.com slash Beck.

01:02:10.340 That's angel.com slash Beck.

01:02:12.700 And we'll see you in the theaters this Christmas season.

01:02:16.600 Here's what I really want to talk to you about.

01:02:21.160 Because this is at this season, the holiday season, I wanted to take the journey with you

01:02:28.080 on Life's Worth Living.

01:02:30.040 It's great.

01:02:32.280 But you are going to be a father.

01:02:36.040 Yeah.

01:02:37.480 Five years ago, if you, what would you have said to you five years ago?

01:02:45.000 You're going to be a dad.

01:02:46.600 It's, it's going to be okay.

01:02:48.880 And would you have believed it?

01:02:51.100 Yeah, I think so.

01:02:52.780 I mean, listen, I've cried a lot of tears and spent a lot of time on my knees pleading with

01:03:02.060 God.

01:03:02.440 Like, when will that happen for me?

01:03:06.040 Ever since I was a kid, I wanted to be a dad.

01:03:08.500 I've known it.

01:03:09.240 It's like, I really, and I really do think I like, I always knew I was going to be an

01:03:12.420 actor too.

01:03:13.020 Not just that I wanted to be an actor, which I did, but I knew I was going to be.

01:03:16.220 It's like weird things that I think that like, almost like our soul has a mission select

01:03:19.960 screen, like a video game before it comes down and it happens to our body.

01:03:23.220 And it's like your mission, should you choose to accept it will be, you're going to be an

01:03:27.340 actor.

01:03:27.660 You're going to do this.

01:03:28.220 You're going to be a dad.

01:03:28.940 Right.

01:03:29.180 So it's like in your DNA, you know what you're supposed to be or what, or some of those guide

01:03:33.100 posts.

01:03:34.500 And so I've just always known and not, I've always wanted it.

01:03:37.140 And I've always been uncle Zach to all of my friends, kids, and to my actual nephews now

01:03:41.300 and people my whole life would be like, you're such a, like, you'd be such a great dad.

01:03:45.320 Why aren't you a dad?

01:03:46.020 And I'm like, it just hasn't been the right time.

01:03:47.720 And ultimately I was not the right person and to attract the right person who was at

01:03:53.360 the right point in their life.

01:03:54.660 And now my girlfriend Maggie and I are embarking on this wonderful journey together.

01:03:58.580 And I am so pumped to be a dad.

01:03:59.960 Um, but because I always knew it in my DNA, I don't think that I would be surprised had

01:04:05.700 I been able to talk to myself five years ago, but I would have been relieved because I definitely

01:04:10.860 was like, oh man, I'm, you know, I'm 44 now.

01:04:13.920 Like my dad was 34 when I was born and I remember him being 44 and I was 10 and we would be playing

01:04:22.240 ball, you know, playing catch.

01:04:24.060 And, you know, granted my dad didn't, he wasn't a super athletic guy.

01:04:27.980 I didn't really take care of himself all that much, but I remember like we'd be playing

01:04:32.060 playing catch and I'd get like an errant ball by him or something.

01:04:34.400 And then he would turn around and kind of go trudge to get the ball.

01:04:36.820 And I would feel horrible.

01:04:38.160 Like it was, it was a really weird internalized kind of trauma.

01:04:40.300 I felt like I was putting him out.

01:04:41.700 I felt like I was making him work extra hard and that internalized in me.

01:04:46.760 And I was like, I don't ever want to be an older dad to my younger kids.

01:04:50.660 I, yeah.

01:04:51.420 And so I'm already 10 years beyond that, but I've also taken care of myself and I, and,

01:04:56.180 and I am, you know, reasonably athletic and I can't wait to play ball with my kid when

01:04:59.540 I'm now 54 and he's 10.

01:05:01.700 Um, but I'm just so pumped about it, man.

01:05:04.220 I think that being, and you can speak to this, but I know, I know that I know that in the same

01:05:09.940 way that everything that we go through in our life, every, every hardship, every, anything

01:05:14.560 that is difficult, uh, that is a challenge, it makes us a better version of ourselves.

01:05:19.560 And there is nothing that will challenge you and reward you like being a parent.

01:05:25.480 And I can't wait to become the man I'm supposed to be because of that.

01:05:29.320 There is nothing more that will challenge you than being a parent.

01:05:33.420 And I'm 60 and it's weird to be 60.

01:05:38.400 And my youngest is 18.

01:05:40.300 And I regret so much of my life working so hard and being away from my kids because

01:05:51.600 unlike you, I didn't always want to be a dad and, uh, I had children, fell in love with

01:06:01.140 my children and, but I still was then building my career at the same time.

01:06:05.220 And I specifically made choices and now thank God I'm close to all my children and we're

01:06:13.140 all close, but now I wish I had 10 and because there's nothing, there's nothing I want more

01:06:22.000 than just to be surrounded by my family.

01:06:23.620 That's when I'm absolutely the happiest when everybody in the family is home and we're all

01:06:28.520 joking with each other and having fun or talking or what, whatever it is.

01:06:32.220 Yeah.

01:06:32.960 That's the meaning of life.

01:06:34.520 That is the meaning of life.

01:06:36.200 So let me ask you one question.

01:06:37.460 Cause we've had a debate.

01:06:38.500 Okay.

01:06:38.940 We had a debate on this.

01:06:40.300 Uh, you said, I want to get the exact wording, right?

01:06:43.180 You said on Bill Maher, uh, that you were ready to lock it down with your girlfriend.

01:06:50.480 Yeah.

01:06:50.920 What, what does that mean?

01:06:52.360 Well, I mean, marry her.

01:06:53.780 I, I, you know, at some point, I mean,

01:06:56.900 Whoa, whoa, wait, wait, lock it down.

01:06:59.820 Marry her at some point.

01:07:01.000 Yeah.

01:07:01.800 What do you mean?

01:07:02.260 Well, listen, I, I was married very briefly once before and, and it was, it was a very

01:07:09.080 difficult time in my life and I, and I learned a lot from that.

01:07:11.540 Um, but it also, I don't know.

01:07:14.520 I think, you know, it, it, it definitely made me just how getting married legally, technically

01:07:22.820 all of the things that become intertwined and all, and then the mess that it was to untwine

01:07:26.780 all of that stuff or whatever.

01:07:28.020 Not that I have any intention or desire to do that with Maggie, but also just this concept

01:07:32.940 that the government is involved in your marriage.

01:07:36.360 Like all, so all of those things, I just, I just have some apprehension to, but to commit

01:07:42.300 to somebody for the rest of my life and build a family with them.

01:07:44.380 I have no apprehension about, like when we first met, I knew, like I knew pretty much

01:07:49.540 right away.

01:07:49.920 I was like, I think this is the girl I'm going to marry and I'm going to have family

01:07:52.700 with and have kids with.

01:07:54.320 And she felt the same way, but we also didn't feel like it had to be done in that particular

01:07:58.280 order.

01:07:59.240 Uh, cause we trusted each other and we continue to trust each other and we continue to journey

01:08:02.780 down this road together.

01:08:03.660 Um, so yeah, I don't know.

01:08:06.160 I, listen, what I don't want to do is like, oh crap, a shotgun wedding.

01:08:09.140 Cause she got pregnant.

01:08:09.700 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

01:08:10.600 I'm not suggesting that we were just debating, lock it down.

01:08:13.860 Never heard that before.

01:08:14.840 What does that mean?

01:08:15.820 I'm going to lock it down.

01:08:17.400 Um, I, it's why I've always been for gay marriage.

01:08:22.840 I don't really care.

01:08:23.860 Yeah.

01:08:24.060 And I don't think the government should be involved.

01:08:26.620 I don't care if a tree marries the two people.

01:08:29.680 I don't, I really, whatever your deal.

01:08:32.300 A token or something like that.

01:08:34.240 I mean, lumbering down, you hobbits, I pronounce you man and wife.

01:08:41.060 Um, but it, it, it doesn't matter, but the commitment, I have to tell you at a first wife

01:08:49.640 didn't, didn't work out well.

01:08:51.020 I married early.

01:08:51.940 Didn't work out well.

01:08:53.160 Not a good human being.

01:08:54.140 I think we already covered that, um, with me.

01:08:56.800 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:08:58.100 Uh, my, my wife now, it's when it's right and you are, and it doesn't need a ceremony.

01:09:12.340 When you are like, there is, there is no out for us.

01:09:18.400 There is no out.

01:09:20.440 We believe in eternal marriage forever.

01:09:23.300 We're going to be together.

01:09:25.720 You start to see people, you start to see the other person different and you're like,

01:09:30.640 okay, okay.

01:09:31.340 We're going to be together forever.

01:09:32.540 I got to tell you, this is, you know what I mean?

01:09:37.400 And it's such a great thing.

01:09:38.820 But that's iron sharpening iron.

01:09:39.580 Yeah.

01:09:40.160 If we just have a, you know, pull a ripcord anytime we want to.

01:09:43.840 Yeah.

01:09:44.060 You're never going through the most uncomfortable times.

01:09:46.200 You're never getting ground down.

01:09:48.180 Yes.

01:09:48.460 To become the better you.

01:09:49.700 Yeah.

01:09:50.060 Like that's why with a kid, you know, it's forever.

01:09:52.020 It's like, that's my responsibility.

01:09:53.400 Yeah.

01:09:53.560 So they're going to grind you down.

01:09:54.580 I mean, obviously there's some people that, that skip out on their kids' lives or whatever.

01:09:58.160 That's not a given, but most people, I think, I hope,

01:10:01.920 see that as like, this is my responsibility for the rest of my life.

01:10:05.080 I have got to be investing in this child and giving them some kind of parenting or whatever it is.

01:10:10.300 With relationships, it's a lot easier for people to pour that ripcord, but I don't want to do that.

01:10:14.060 I want, I want to know what it means to be my best me.

01:10:17.540 And that requires being in a committed relationship.

01:10:20.040 And I think ultimately there's something about children.

01:10:23.540 If you don't ever have children, there's a, there's a level of unlock that you're not getting to

01:10:28.800 because not for babies, not, there's nothing else that can replace.

01:10:32.560 Oh my God, I have created or adopted this life into my, my responsibility into the rest of my life

01:10:42.100 and to infuse and to give them love and give them direction and want, you know, I can't wait.

01:10:47.780 One of the things I can't wait to do is be able to love my children so much that I'm breaking the generational trauma

01:10:54.480 that has come down through my, my line.

01:10:56.160 You know what I mean?

01:10:56.860 Yes.

01:10:57.100 Because they deserve that.

01:10:58.120 Yes.

01:10:58.360 And my parents deserve that and they didn't get it.

01:11:00.360 And I got, I got a half-life of that.

01:11:02.200 And now, because I've been able to be fortunate and blessed enough to have done the work that

01:11:05.840 I've done on myself and continue to, now I can hand off to my children a, an even better starting point.

01:11:12.860 We have a theory in my family that the abuse of my father's side started because my great,

01:11:21.620 great grandfather and great, great uncle were in Andersonville, the notorious civil war prison.

01:11:29.380 And they came, only one came home and the writings of the sisters and the wife after that,

01:11:37.680 he was never the same and it wasn't good somehow or another.

01:11:41.320 And we think that that family trauma started way back then.

01:11:47.080 And that's been my goal my whole life with my kids is we got to break this.

01:11:53.600 That's, that's the thing that really stopped me from committing suicide was no, I know what

01:11:58.520 it did to me.

01:11:59.640 Yeah.

01:11:59.940 I'm not doing that.

01:12:02.280 We're breaking this.

01:12:03.760 Yeah.

01:12:04.000 And it's fantastic.

01:12:05.480 It's powerful, man.

01:12:06.060 Oh, it's so good.

01:12:06.840 It's so great.

01:12:07.600 And that ultimately with every single life, and this is why mental health to me is the

01:12:11.900 thing I champion the most.

01:12:13.040 I have a mental health, mental health 501c3 called Nerd HQ, nerdhq.org.

01:12:17.400 Go check it out, donate, whatever.

01:12:18.540 What is it?

01:12:19.580 Explain it.

01:12:20.220 Well, basically it was an event that I did for many years during San Diego Comic-Con.

01:12:23.980 That was, we, we did celebrity panels and photos and signings and it was all for charity.

01:12:29.080 It was for Operation Smile, who I was an ambassador for that does Cliff, Lipton,

01:12:31.980 and pallet surgeries, and we raised two and a half million dollars over seven years.

01:12:36.140 And we had dance parties every night.

01:12:37.200 It was wonderful, built a wonderful community.

01:12:40.260 I had to shutter that as a four business operation.

01:12:43.600 We never really, we were always like break even, but we raised a lot of money for non-profit.

01:12:46.820 And I was like, you know what?

01:12:47.840 Right around the time I had my mental breakdown, went to therapy, saved my life.

01:12:51.680 Mental health was like, this is the most important thing I can be fighting for.

01:12:54.980 And I want to turn NerdHQ into a 501c3 that is just constantly raising money in every way,

01:13:00.180 shape, and form we can to help pay for people's therapy who can't afford it.

01:13:03.720 I think that, you know, for a long time, there was so much stigma around mental illness and

01:13:07.040 mental health.

01:13:07.680 That was the barrier of entry.

01:13:09.100 We needed to get people to destigmatize that, to recognize, no, it's good.

01:13:12.000 It's healthy.

01:13:12.440 You want to go and work on yourself.

01:13:14.140 It doesn't make you crazy.

01:13:15.320 Everyone's dealing with it on some level.

01:13:17.080 Dental health or mental health is like dental health.

01:13:18.880 We've all got a cavity here or there, right?

01:13:20.820 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:13:21.220 Hopefully not, but maybe we do.

01:13:22.460 And you want to go address that as soon as possible.

01:13:24.260 If you don't, it festers, it rots.

01:13:25.960 It becomes a full-blown root canal later on.

01:13:27.960 I'm trying to help people get to those cavities as soon as they can.

01:13:30.880 And if not, then even if they need a root canal.

01:13:33.720 But the problem is that most people now, more and more people are making less and less money.

01:13:38.520 They don't have the extra cash to go blow, you know, $200, $250 on a therapy session.

01:13:44.320 And so if I do nothing else in this world, I want to be able to help people heal.

01:13:48.200 If we can help heal everybody's hearts and minds, if we can do that as parents,

01:13:51.980 as fathers of breaking the generational trauma, and then we can also help other people in

01:13:56.360 whatever their journeys are, all that does is keep raising the vibrational energy of this

01:14:00.880 world into more love, into more light.

01:14:03.600 And that is where God wants us to take it, you know, right?

01:14:05.720 That's what we want to do.

01:14:06.940 So that's what I want to do with Nerd HQ.

01:14:08.780 And we're still going to do events and all that stuff to raise money and bring people joy.

01:14:11.520 But the baseline of it all is go and donate, help us out.

01:14:15.620 We're just going to keep paying for people's therapy.

01:14:17.240 That's what we're going to do.

01:14:18.580 What a pleasure.

01:14:19.560 Yeah.

01:14:19.980 I can check number three off of my list.

01:14:23.460 We've got to get you Pratt and Denzel.

01:14:24.700 Yeah.

01:14:25.280 Well, then I guess I'm done.

01:14:27.760 Yeah.

01:14:28.140 Yeah.

01:14:28.280 Thank you.

01:14:28.720 Thank you so much, Glenn.

01:14:29.440 You bet.

01:14:29.680 Appreciate it.

01:14:30.040 Just a reminder, I'd love you to rate and subscribe to the podcast and pass this on to a friend

01:14:41.160 so it can be discovered by other people.

The Glenn Beck Program - December 14, 2024

Ep 238 ｜ Zachary Levi Gets Real About Suicide, God & Being a Dad ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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