John Strand spent a year in prison, including four months in solitary confinement, serving a sentence that is the definition of cruel and unusual punishment. He spent all that time in prison because he was a victim of injustice, but does that make him a patriot?
00:01:40.180You just have to be 18 years or older.
00:01:43.040According to law enforcement statistics, 99% of all situations where force may be required does not require lethal force.
00:01:52.360So you don't want to pull a gun at a knife fight, but you also don't want to have a knife at a gun fight.
00:01:58.720But you have the best of both worlds, I think, especially if you're in places like California or New York or where you just can't carry guns.
00:03:28.660But I've been working my career as an artist in Los Angeles as an actor and a model for a long time.
00:03:36.820And then 2020, COVID lockdowns, I could tell the world was changing dramatically, and I, for the first time, became sort of politically active at that point in my life, not because I was looking to get into politics.
00:03:48.820I just wanted to push back against lockdowns, but that ended up becoming synonymous with the ongoing presidential campaign of President Trump.
00:03:56.920So I was leading a freedom rally in Los Angeles called the Beverly Hills Freedom Rally.
00:04:00.780President Trump actually retweeted that, became really well known.
00:04:03.120We had tens of thousands of people coming into Beverly Hills to support the freedom and liberty movement, as I saw it.
00:04:09.260And that's how I got to meet Dr. Simone Gold, who founded America's Frontline Doctors, which rocketed to the stage during the COVID chaos.
00:04:16.000And that's why I was in Washington, D.C.
00:04:19.620I actually would have been leading my own rally in L.A. to support the Stop the Steal effort, asking for an audit, a forensic audit of the election.
00:04:28.420But because of Frontline Doctors, we were scheduled to be on the East Coast for a whole two-week speaking tour.
00:04:34.480January 5th and 6th were two dates on that tour.
00:04:37.960And Dr. Gold had been invited to participate in a rally with a government-approved permit alongside of a number of congresspeople and other national figures.
00:04:46.000And I was her communications director and security guard at that time, so I was there.
00:04:50.600So when you were there, you obviously attended the rally, Stop the Steal rally.
00:04:55.920When you went into the Capitol, did you go in with the intent of stopping the certification of the votes?
00:05:06.500Or what was your intent when you went in?
00:05:45.900So we had attended the morning event at the Ellipse where President Trump spoke famously.
00:05:51.100And then it had been expected in advance that there would be a march, a protest march, as is very common, along Constitution Avenue from the Ellipse to the Capitol for afternoon events that would have incorporate speeches and so forth.
00:06:05.800We traveled that distance and arrived at the Capitol building to find, to our confusion, that there wasn't a stage where you would assume there would be a well-set-up environment to have congresspeople and other national figures delivering speeches.
00:06:22.480So the way I describe this, this is truly, I think, the best way to understand the reality and the context of what happened on January 6th, particularly in the afternoon as we approach the Capitol building.
00:06:32.040It would be as if you had purchased tickets planned for a year in advance with travel and arrangements to go to the Super Bowl.
00:06:39.400And then you pile into the stadium and literally at game time, an announcement says, so sorry, folks, the team didn't make the plane, so they're not here to play the game.
00:06:49.860So we'll just have to schedule it for next year.
00:06:51.380But you have 100,000 people in a stadium that have planned all year to watch the Super Bowl.
00:06:55.740What do you expect to happen in that environment?
00:07:00.360Okay, so I didn't even know this part of the—so there was a planned speech with congressmen coming out and officials coming out and talking to this crowd?
00:07:24.620The permit poll for ours might have been for—I can't remember if it was some health and freedom conference or if it was the—I don't think it was the Stop the Steal rally group.
00:07:51.840What goes through your head, and how do you end up inside?
00:07:55.420What went through my head was this does not make any sense, and I'm not going to just say, oh, well, I guess we'll come back next year.
00:08:05.480I wanted to give it a few more minutes to determine where are all these people that were committed to coming and doing this event, and what is it exactly that happened?
00:08:15.240So I didn't see a stage, but I did see a whole bunch of people, and I didn't see anything else concerning.
00:08:23.100I didn't see anything along those lines, but I just saw kind of a lack of organization, and I was specifically looking for law enforcement and crowd control measures, and I saw almost nothing.
00:08:36.040I think five or six police officers standing up at the top of the steps in front of the Columbus doors, and that was it.
00:08:42.240So we stood there in the plaza for a few minutes trying to determine what was happening.
00:08:50.320It's well reported now that cell phone communication was almost entirely not functional that day for hours and hours, and certainly at that moment, we could not get messages in and out or very infrequently.
00:09:02.660So that was making confusion, increasing the confusion.
00:09:06.320So the crowd, though, because regardless of cell phones or anything else, they're all just moving from the ellipse to this plaza by the tens and hundreds of thousands.
00:09:16.740So the crowd was filling up, and they moved their way into the plaza and on the stairs.
00:09:21.540Dr. Gold looked at me at one point and said, I don't know exactly what's happening, and before I just go home and give up, I want to at least try to address the people that are here.
00:09:30.500I have an important message, and whoever will listen to me, I will shout and just try to be heard, because that was her obligation, her mission.
00:09:37.180She was dedicated to it, especially at that time, the urgency of the COVID lies were really pressing on her mind.
00:09:51.100I have security guard instincts and experience that told me we should have a recalibration and sort of check what happened and why.
00:09:58.740But Dr. Gold said, look, I just got to go to the crowd because they're here.
00:10:01.760They're forming, and something needs to happen.
00:10:03.960And I thought, well, if she starts calmly addressing them, that at least gives a focal point for what should happen.
00:10:09.140That could be a good thing, potentially.
00:10:11.220There was nothing else really to do other than just leave.
00:10:13.880But she didn't leave, and I had to make sure that she was safe, so I stayed with her.
00:10:17.480She just walked up the steps, lots of people milling around.
00:10:20.460We tried to get a balcony position over to one side where maybe she could have a vantage point where people could hear her.
00:10:25.100But the crowd was so thick up there that we couldn't quite get into that spot.
00:10:28.740And we kind of got funneled into between the balcony and the East Columbus door.
00:10:33.440So we were on the right side of the doors, but not too far from them.
00:10:36.400And over the course of another 10 minutes, again, the crowd is still building and filling as people walk over.
00:10:41.940And we got pressed towards the top of the steps, kind of squashed like in a mosh pit at a concert.
00:10:46.680It was kind of exciting, but also sort of weird, like, what are we doing here?
00:10:50.880But I continued to monitor the energy around me, the activity, and I did not see still anything at this point violent, criminal, or even really angry.
00:11:01.260I mean, certainly there were people generally upset about the election issue.
00:11:04.080But the tenor of the crowd, the tone of things was still very First Amendment, America first, we're here to be who we are, express our opinions, and potentially listen to some important people speak about it.
00:11:18.500And that all changed, Glenn, in a singular moment.
00:11:22.640I remember it seared into my memory when just a boom sounded like a bomb went off, and the crowd panicked.
00:11:30.640Now, the crowd was already tightly packed.
00:11:34.340But that flashbang, which sounded like a grenade, and then several ensued, and then smoke filled the air, turned the tenor instantly.
00:11:52.560And then I basically just tried to keep Dr. Gold from getting stampeded or crushed in that moment until maybe five, eight minutes later, the doors in front of us opened from the inside.
00:12:52.760It's actually a non-government citizen who was prosecuted by the Biden DOJ.
00:12:57.920I believe his name is George Tenney, who opened the doors from the inside by using the emergency release mechanism, because there are two sets of doors.
00:13:07.460The 10,000-pound bronze outer doors, called the Columbus doors, are supposed to be locked with a padlock, but they were unlocked and swung open.
00:13:17.240I don't have a good answer as to why that happened, and that's no small detail, because those outer doors being swung open visually give an obvious invitation to enter the doors.
00:13:31.400You don't swing them open unless there's a reason.
00:13:33.660And in that protest moment, many people, and myself included, thought perhaps they're allowing people to come up to the doors or even walk through the Capitol, particularly when there were so many people, not a stage, no other crowd control measures.
00:13:51.280Where are these people supposed to go?
00:13:53.700So over the course of time, it seemed that, okay, either they're going to have more police come and say, please leave and go this way, or they'll open the doors and have people walk through, which is what ended up happening.
00:14:05.620Now, they're saying that they didn't allow that and all the other things they're saying, but of course, you know, that's not the honest reality of the situation.
00:14:12.120But in the moment, that turning point, I'm crushed up against the doors, the crowd around me.
00:14:17.600I'm simply trying to keep Dr. Gold upright and safe and praying, literally praying and hoping, okay, cops are going to come and disseminate the crowd in an appropriate manner.
00:14:26.920And instead, they attacked the crowd, whipped them into a frenzy, and then allowed the doors to become open inside.
00:14:32.840The crowd flushed through, and I was pushed inside.
00:14:36.240I mean, I could not have just stayed there.
00:14:37.820There was an avalanche of people behind me pouring in those doors.
00:14:40.980Dr. Gold actually stumbled over the threshold.
00:14:42.600There's video showing that I keep her from actually being trampled, pick her up, move her straight forward away from that melee.
00:14:50.900I mean, you see two uniformed officers go right past us.
00:14:54.340They could have said, hey, go this way or that way.
00:14:57.300They went right past us to other people.
00:14:59.240We just proceeded calmly straight ahead, found ourselves in the rotunda with red velvet ropes.
00:15:04.860And then we stayed within the red velvet ropes, essentially, for the rest of the time we were in the building, just wondering, how do we appropriately get out of here?
00:15:15.480So when you talked afterwards, Rolling Stone said you sent a private text message after January 6th that said, we stormed the Capitol.
00:15:46.920But yeah, I mean, that was just naturally what was in my mind.
00:15:50.380But I'll explain why I said the words.
00:15:52.100First of all, the analogy about the Super Bowl is the exact same idea here.
00:15:56.960So I always ask people, when you get excited that your high school or college football team wasn't there an underdog and somehow they had an unbelievable fourth quarter comeback in the last 10 seconds, they score the last touchdown and they win the game that they never should have won.
00:18:05.820But instinctively, I knew it was historic.
00:18:08.560And of course, I was proven right even beyond my wildest imaginations.
00:18:11.540As all of this insanity was happening, confusion, weirdness, walking through the rotunda and all of that history and it just you're in awe of the 250 year experiment of America and realizing because, again, the context here is the illicit election.
00:18:29.820That is no small detail and a really serious part of this story and of our history.
00:18:36.440And the million people that showed up that day, whether they made it inside the building or not, they had to take time and expense of their own when it was really unpopular to do so, to push back because no one wanted to.
00:18:47.700You were considered an idiot and a radical and a lunatic if you challenged the election.
00:18:52.360Now we can see that's actually what happened.
00:18:54.460But it wasn't popular or credible, so to speak, to do that at the time.
00:18:58.140And I understood the history of the moment in the sense of a million people showing up being brave enough to do that.
00:19:05.320And that's what I thought was the victory, that they stood firm in their convictions and they exercised their First Amendment.
00:19:11.680So at what point did you feel like this could be trouble?
00:19:17.760I could be in trouble here, that I could face prosecution.
00:19:21.000Did that happen at all on January 6th when you were in the Capitol?
00:19:24.320Did you have any feeling that this could become a problem?
00:19:28.140No, not in the sense of I personally being prosecuted, not on January 6th, maybe the next day.
00:19:36.600But even the next day, my but my basically my my instinct or my frame of reference is the fake.
00:20:08.440But because you were on the other side of the Capitol with the Columbus doors, you also wouldn't have seen the people that were breaking the windows and and fighting on the stairs.
00:20:36.220I was just sort of debriefing with my immediate team that was around me.
00:20:39.160But the next two days, then you started to get a sense that, wow, OK, there were some more violent moments that happened that I was unaware of.
00:20:47.500Of course, now I understand how those actually occurred.
00:20:51.000And I and I firmly believe the evidence clearly.
00:20:54.500Hang on, hang on, hang on just a second.
00:21:57.660Four years later, my mugshot is a cell phone camera of me and my trademark Maverick aviators and black leather gloves, you know, standing by Dr.
00:22:08.440Gold as she's trying to preach the message of truth and medical freedom to the world that will listen in the rotunda.
00:22:13.500Um, but that picture is still pinned to the top of the FBI Washington field office X profile.
00:22:21.960So a couple of days I got that picture and I got the sense that, okay, they're clearly working this up into something much, much bigger.
00:22:30.660But again, because I was there, I saw what I saw and because I know who I am and what I did and what I didn't do, I know I didn't do anything unlawful.
00:22:55.520So I had no intention of saying or proceeding otherwise.
00:22:58.400But we did have advice like you should probably get out of DC.
00:23:02.080Um, we just stuck to our travel schedule.
00:23:03.820We were there another couple of days and then back to Florida for other speaking events and then back to Los Angeles.
00:23:07.900So 12 days later, January 18th, the irony is not lost that it was Martin Luther King day.
00:23:15.860And on a Monday morning on MLK day in a quiet two bedroom apartment in Beverly Hills, where we had a headquarters for the organization at that time,
00:23:25.540we were on a conference call with several colleagues and our lives were forever shattered by blood curdling, screaming yells so loud that my head literally vibrated as did the walls.
00:23:36.760We could barely register the shock and wonder, are we under attack by criminals when our door was pulverized by a battering ram, literally, and flooded into our apartment.
00:23:48.10020 off armed officers and black tactical gear and machine guns and red laser sights bobbing on your chest like a Jason Bourne action movie.
00:23:57.120It was terrorizing, uh, it was abhorrent now that I think about it, even in the moment shortly after the shock wears off, I realized this is the U S government, uh, assaulting peaceful citizens in a major city in the U S as if we were terrorists.
00:24:15.600This is backwards. This is so wrong. And, uh, you know, I've only since then been able to contemplate and really measure the impact of that trauma, not just on myself, but hundreds and hundreds of J six Americans have had this, have had this assault.
00:24:32.460So did they call you at all and say, Hey, can you, could come in for an interview? Hey, here's this wanted poster. We know where you are. You know, where we are. Can we just talk?
00:24:43.080There was none, no communication. And did you think about reaching out and saying, Hey, I'm on your wanted FBI, most wanted poster. I mean, should I come in?
00:24:52.620Uh, Dr. Gold actually had the, uh, Washington post reach out a few days before our arrest and say, would you do an interview? And she wanted to be forthcoming about what happened. So she said, well, sure. Why not? And yeah, I was there. I was invited to be there. I gave my speech. That's what happened. I did nothing wrong. So I don't really have anything else to say about that. And that was days before.
00:25:13.080But no, the FBI, the U S government did not advise us or request a meeting or, or say, come turn yourselves in or anything. They just broke our door down on a Monday morning and clearly intended to terrorize us, demoralize us, silence us, and really send a chilling message throughout the community and throughout the country that the U S government is in charge.
00:25:36.340Yeah. I, I, um, and we'll get into this later. I, I, I think they were trying to send the message that it's, it's not necessarily even the outcome. It's the whole process that we'll put you through that, uh, should scare you and everybody else. So what was the process like? They pick you up, they take you to jail. Um, you get an attorney. What are you charged with? What do they say?
00:26:01.280Man. So your point is exactly right. Glenn, the process is the punishment and they plan to punish you. I mean, at every juncture, at every possible nook and cranny of the bureaucratic machinery, they will weaponize it. And I mean, that goes down to the last detail. Like for example, um, first of all, I explained the raid and the assault, which was just egregious.
00:26:31.280Um, and I was disappeared for four days without a phone call. I mean, that's so outrageous. Dr. Gold had to hire a private investigator to find out what had happened to me and to force the government to allow the bond process to happen to bail me out of jail. They should have bailed me out within hours, obviously, but they chose not to for whatever excuses they love to pull. Cause they can do whatever they want. They're the government. I vanished. No family member, no lawyer, no, no one knew where I was for four days.
00:27:01.260Until we press the issue there. Then when I get out, then I'm, you know, given a public defender and arraigned and explained, this is what we're charging you with. And it was, I could hardly understand what they were even saying. Obstruction. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. When you got in there, you know, you have a right to a phone call. Did they deny you your right to a phone call?
00:27:22.460Yeah. I, I, I, I, I can't, I mean, the, the first, so they dragged me into a jail, processed me, threw me in a concrete cell, ignored me until the next day. Didn't answer a single question or give me a chance to talk about anything. Drag me into a car, drove me across town to another jail, then processed me in this little, like two foot by two foot room with a screen COVID rules.
00:27:48.640So that I could see the magistrate who then said, whatever he said, I was so disoriented. I could hardly understand. Uh, he said, I'm not letting you bail out. Then I got dragged away into an isolation unit in the MDC.
00:28:03.060That's the FBI's federal facility in Los Angeles banging on the door. Can I have a phone call banging on the door? Can I have a phone call for three straight days? No, no, no, no help. No response. No phone call. No, nothing.
00:28:16.180Four days later, strand, pack up your crap, get out on, you know, get out of here. And they dumped me on the street.
00:28:22.460And then thank God I found where the public defender's office was walked to there and said, could you please help me? I have nothing to my name. And then someone found me and picked me up off the street four days later.
00:28:33.280Wow. Okay. So, um, I wouldn't want a public defender with all of this going on. You have a public defender. Um, what, when, how long did it take it from this point to the trial?
00:28:50.180And did you have a sense like, you know, uh, Alfred Hitchcock is one of my favorite movie makers, filmmakers, because it's always the innocent guy who's like, wait, I can't believe this has happened to you. You know what you just described happened in North by Northwest, uh, his movie. And, and you have to believe as his characters always do. Okay. This is just a mistake.
00:29:17.080This is going to work itself out. Justice is, I'm going to get to somebody reasonable. Did you have that feeling and did it ever go away or when did it go away?
00:29:29.260I mean, in this opening week or so after the January 6th event and the arrest, it was so fascistic. I really don't think there's a better word to describe it. It was, it was fascism, weaponized government, uh, pointed at a citizen for a politicized purpose.
00:29:46.460And, you know, after the first few days of the shock of January 6th wore off in terms of the narrative that they're selling about it, it was obvious to me, of course, this is political. Of course, this has to do with Trump and the election and, and, uh, the uniparty attack on American populist resistance.
00:30:04.480That's what this came down to. So I've understood that ever since then in those opening couple of weeks, it was so, um, tyrannical. It was so totalitarian that I didn't really expect justice or reasonability at all, because I couldn't even get any, I couldn't even get anyone to answer my basic question about how can I have a phone call to reach my mom or my attorney.
00:30:27.620Um, and, and, and after a few days of that being completely ignored, you start to lose hope that reason has any part of this equation. Um, once I got bailed out and took maybe a few weeks or so to, you know, get rid of the public defender and find an appropriate attorney, convene with my, my co-defendant now, who's my colleague, Dr. Gold and the whole organization, the nonprofit we work for in our team,
00:30:51.440and then absorb what was actually going on. Then you realize, okay, this, this is a whole new ball game in America. We are squared up against the entire might of the federal government currently weaponized and controlled by the Biden administration generally.
00:31:07.840And, uh, you know, uh, you know, your question became a recurring theme. Will we ever find reasonability? Will we ever find the rule of law still functioning? And at every turn, Glenn, at every turn, we found it completely hijacked, completely, um, inverted, uh, and utilized in a two tiered system where they continue to mouth the message of rule of law.
00:31:35.220Nobody is above the law. Nobody is above the law. They say per prominently above you as they swing down a sledgehammer.
00:31:41.720Right. I, I, uh, as a, I mean, I'm not a journalist, but I mean, I work with journalists and, and as we were trying to find out what was happening, um, we, we couldn't find out anything. I mean, I called congressmen, I called senators, where are these people being held? How can we talk to their attorneys?
00:32:03.900We, we, as, as, as members of the press, we couldn't break this wall of silence as members of Congress and the Senate, they couldn't break the wall of silence at the beginning.
00:32:14.720This was it, what you did, you were just almost in a China like way disappeared.
00:32:21.020Yeah. Our, our, our families and our attorneys couldn't break the wall of silence. If your direct attorney cannot reach his client, what country are we in?
00:32:33.340Correct. Correct. Okay. So let's go to the trial. Now they're charging you, uh, with obstruction of our jury tampering or obstruction of justice with both of those.
00:32:45.120Well, so everyone calls it obstruction of justice colloquially. And they use that, that term obstruction of justice to basically say you're obstructing what duly should happen and, uh, blocking the government from performing its duty.
00:33:01.920So in that general sense, it sounds like, well, that's not good. We shouldn't allow citizens to do that. But the, the exact title of the parent statute obstruction of an official proceeding, right.
00:33:14.300Is what they say. But I was charged specifically with title 18 U S code 15, 12 C two and 15, 12, the title of that statute is tampering with a witness evidence or informant witness evidence or informant.
00:33:36.300Okay. Now that sounds like a trial. Also, if you go back to where the law came from and this matters because in our system, legislative intent actually matters. It's not acceptable to just take English and, you know, scrabble it into a weapon to your fashion and your liking.
00:33:56.840Right. What the legislators intended matters when the legislature passed 15, 12 into law. And you know, this because the president at the time, George Bush said this, when he signed it, he said, this should never be mistakenly used against political protesters.
00:34:13.340He actually said that it's on record. Wow. And the purpose of the law clearly was to close a accounting loophole that ensued from the Enron energy corporation scandal.
00:34:27.740And they basically said, Oh, it was our attorneys that shredded documents that tampered with witness or evidence. So you can't prosecute us for it. So they closed that loophole and said, if you delegate your, your tampering of a witness evidence,
00:34:43.340or informant to a third party, the third party can be liable. What does that have to do with protesters that are complaining about, uh, illicit election and gathering at their house of government to redress, you know, ask for redress of grievances per the first amendment. What does that have to, it obviously has nothing to do with it.
00:35:02.260Which, which, which, which, which is how the Supreme court ruled, which, you know, uh, got you out of prison after only a year in prison. Um, let, let me, yeah, let me go. Let me go now to, um, they charged you, they convicted you. What, what, what is it like standing as a, an innocent man?
00:35:24.860Um, and even, even, even at your worst, if, if you would say, okay, well, I was in the Capitol and I can, you know, this parading thing, I can understand how you give me a ticket.
00:35:37.920Maybe, maybe, okay. You give me a ticket for something, or I get a slap on the wrist when they came at you and said guilty.
00:35:54.860I mean, it was serious, Glenn. I'm not going to say otherwise that that's, that is a sledgehammer. Prison is a sledgehammer. Um, I, I describe it in my book as, uh, watching a freight train in reverse, like in slow motion, that's coming at you because I knew this was coming before it happened, but I'm, I'm kind of slowly moving ahead towards it.
00:36:21.980Uh, the, from the arrest to the trial was over a year and a half. It's a long time.
00:36:29.960A lot of stuff happened during that period of time. Terrible stuff. Uh, civil rights abuses, persecution, exhaustion, defamation, uh, constant assault from the media, betrayal from friends and my family.
00:36:43.020I was digitally assassinated for my entire career that I had really spent my life and put my life or, or I, I taken a lot of risk in my life, um, to do what I've done, putting myself out there to, to, to be an actor and a model in these things that are very difficult to try to achieve.
00:37:00.500And I had all of that was, I was digitally assassinated in a heartbeat on January 7th. None of that existed anymore. And then suddenly I was propped up by Rolling Stone and everyone else as this target come and destroy this guy. And they spent a year and a half destroying me before I even got to court.
00:37:17.340It's pretty amazing. And of course, I've lived some of that. It's, it's, it's remarkable, remarkable. It really is. Um, and so that there's more to that story details in the book that people really should dig into.
00:37:30.480And that we should really talk about in our country, as far as being honest with ourselves, what is happening, what we've allowed to happen and how we get guardrails back on because the guardrails have become swords in the hands of an enemy that is, that is, uh, stabbing us with them.
00:37:44.760So before we get to those solutions, let's pause here for a second. And before we get to what they did to you in prison, talk about anything that you feel needs to be addressed here on that.
00:37:55.960Um, so we have to reclaim the essence of innocent until proven guilty, right? We just had Daniel Penny sacrificed on the altar of DEI and BLM garbage insanity. And it's going to take a lot of reverse engineering to sort of give him a reasonable life back.
00:38:18.240Um, and, and, and, and, and, and people like that, I don't think you ever do. People don't understand. And this is a baby comparison to you. Um, but you know, uh, for 10 years, the media and powerful people came after me with all their guns a blazing and, and, and did everything they could to destroy me and paint me.
00:38:41.820And I will never get that opportunity with maybe 40% of the country to ever be anything other than that. And that's a big deal. You know, when, you know, you don't, you don't, you don't notice when you have that, everybody has that, you know, the opportunity to just be somebody and, and have people address you and take you for who you are.
00:39:08.360As long as you, as long as you are displaying that, um, you don't understand what it's like to walk in where lies have been spread about you and you have 40% of the room who will hate you forever, no matter what you say.
00:39:26.400Yeah. And it's a new era. You cannot unring that bell. Absolutely. Glenn. That is true. I, I, of course I can tell that you understand this.
00:39:36.620You empathize because you've experienced it yourself. So anyone that does personally experience it, it will be a lot more real, but, um, this new era with technology and the speed of, you know, the speed of lies, um, and, and just the incendiary nature that they just catch on fire and burn your life to the ground in an instant.
00:39:53.940And you can never have that life back. Um, it is a huge thing. So the loss, you know what it is, is the, the loss of honest people and honest questioning.
00:40:06.540You know, I've always believed in the system of justice we have here because I've always believed that an innocent person could be caught up in something, but there would always be someone in the system that would go, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
00:40:19.940You got to give them the chance to be heard. And we don't just, we don't have kangaroo courts. This was a kangaroo court. And, uh, when you lose the ability as a society to, to find honest people who may disagree with you, but go, wait a minute, hang on just a second.
00:40:40.780Uh, I disagree with him, but he has this right. We have to do it the right way. When you lose that, you have nothing left.
00:40:50.100That's right. Yeah. Disagreement does not mean, um, yeah. Dishonest. Right. So when there's a, doesn't mean, doesn't mean because we disagree, it doesn't mean you lose your rights. You're still a human being as valuable as I am. You know what I mean?
00:41:05.820Yeah. Um, okay. So you're, uh, you're convicted, you're sent sentenced to prison. What, what is the sentence you're given 32 months? So almost three years of my life in a prison facility, along with three years of supervised release and continued government abuse after that.
00:41:26.080So another six years of my life on the hook to be annihilated beyond the two plus years at that point that had already been chewed up in the government blender. Um, and what, so what we failed to talk about was you get this sentence because they try to make a deal with you and say, well, if we can make all of this go away, um, you know, we'll stop destroying your life. If you just admit, I mean, this is very 1984.
00:41:55.440Four, just two plus two equals four. Um, and you wouldn't, you wouldn't admit when you're standing there and you realize I've had three years in prison. Uh, did you ever have a second where you went? Oh my gosh, what have I done? I should have taken.
00:42:12.980Not one second. Not one second. It was so clear to me, Glenn, at the very, you realize how odd that is, right?
00:42:21.860I do. And, and, and that was somewhat the point. That was kind of the point. I mean, fundamentally, Glenn, the real point, like I said, is that we have to have clarity on what right and wrong is. We have to have, it is our duty and it is, uh, it is essential, uh, in order to preserve our future and preserve the integrity of our system.
00:42:46.460Uh, which without integrity, it will, you know, it will devolve and destruct like you, like you mentioned.
00:42:53.880So to preserve that integrity, we have to have total clarity on what is good and evil and what is right and wrong.
00:42:59.520So some things are not moral, some decisions, there's not an obvious right answer, but sometimes there are.
00:43:05.560And when there's an obvious right and wrong answer, and particularly when it's really uncomfortable to make the right choice, that's when it's so important to do so.
00:43:14.740Yeah. So when you get to prison, you know, you, you think of prison as a couple of things in America, you think, okay, you might've got shafted by the system originally, but the prison system is a completely different system.
00:43:32.200And now it's got its own problems. You know, you've got the violence in prison, you've got all of that, but you don't expect the, you wouldn't expect the same kind of punishment for the same reasons to be happening in prison.
00:43:48.640Do you know what I mean? If, if, if it's, unless it's a fascistic country, you don't expect the prison to take out political vengeance on you.
00:44:05.120No, I found precisely the opposite. I found that the prison system has been hijacked like every other part of our government and, and all these, all these institutions have been bent and fashioned into weapons to serve the violent will of those in power who demand that they keep it.
00:44:25.340So, uh, one, I mean, man, the, the trial, like you said, so many lies, so many in your face, distortions and manipulations and, uh, just violations of their ethical and legal duty.
00:44:39.620Um, for one thing, it was very clear that the jury was going to convict me because they're from DC, they're, they're Washington, DC residents, 95% voted with full open hatred against president Trump.
00:44:53.380Obviously they're going to not just convict me. They were looking to crucify me. And it was, you know, uh, and it was enjoyable for them.
00:45:00.560So the prosecutor didn't have to openly lie about evidence. He could have just said he was there and he's one of them and, you know, take it from here.
00:45:08.240But no, they spent all this energy lying, manipulating evidence. The, my website and book shows all of this in great detail. It's shocking actually. And it's something we really need to dig into. It didn't just happen to me. Um, and it's part of that kangaroo court. When we say kangaroo court, Glenn, we're not exaggerating. It is fully, truly that.
00:45:27.740Um, and then in prison, especially in Washington, DC, um, in prison. And I was not in a DC prison. I was in a federal facility, uh, starting in Florida, but I have paperwork from the BOP that, that acknowledges that the reason that some of their rules were rearranged in order to clearly torture me psychologically,
00:45:57.740and in horrendous physical conditions and in super isolation, meaning totally cut off from all contact with, with, with my family and attorneys for an extended period of time. That was, that was happening because of the fascist fingers of the department of justice, specifically the FBI and the AUSA assistant U S attorney's, um, office, which I believe traces back to Mr. Jason Manning,
00:46:24.700the actual federal prosecutor who prosecuted me at trial and put me into that prison in the first place.
00:46:33.380So what rules did they rearrange for you? What happened to you in prison? I was pulled aside in this office with no one in it with a gentleman who worked for the security division of the prison who basically said, do you know who I am? Cause I know who you are and I'm watching you.
00:46:53.580I said, I don't know who you are. Um, I'm not surprised that you know who I am because that's become pretty well known at this point. Uh, and he said, well, let me, let me break this down for you. You know, I know you are all big on constitutional rights and talking a big first amendment game and this and that. Um, but this is, this is my kingdom and I rule here. So you better get that straight real fast.
00:47:15.220And, uh, clear intimidation, but I'm sorry. The constitution applies to prisoners as well, sir, but go ahead.
00:47:22.320Oh, it's supposed to. Um, but you know, the, our founding fathers called the constitution, a parchment barrier.
00:47:29.580And, uh, there's a reason they use that terminology. Uh, it's only going to hold so far as the men holding that parchment have the integrity to understand what it means and how it's supposed to be applied.
00:47:41.360Yeah. Um, so, so he threatens, he basically threatens you.
00:47:47.800Oh, absolutely. Well, I told him, I said, sir, I am not looking to cause trouble. Uh, I know you're in charge here and I want to abide by whatever your rules are. Please just explain them to me. But I do have a first amendment and I plan to continue exercising it. I don't have a bone to pick at this point with the prison. I wasn't there to complain about prison.
00:48:07.660And I was there to continue highlighting the fraud of January 6th, the corruption of the DC court system. Um, and the fact that I'm innocent and so are many other J sixers who I need to continue to advocate for. And I'll do that from prison. I don't, it doesn't matter. I'm here to do a job.
00:48:22.400Um, so I explained to him that me being in prison from my point of view was deployment in service of my country as a political prisoner. And, uh, he was maybe agnostic on that, but basically said I'm in charge.
00:48:34.520But he seemed to indicate like, okay, we can manage that. Uh, but he wasn't honest with me. And, uh, I was basically entrapped into supposedly breaking their rules about some technicality about the phone system, even though they broke their own rules by failing to give me the written rule book that explains all of these details. And then later said, well, you broke this rule from page such and such in the rule book. And I said, what rule book? And they said, we didn't, we give you that on day one. Cause the policy stipulates, we must do that. Nope, no rule book.
00:49:03.800I had no idea about this rule. The rule you told me was you have to submit the people you want to talk to on the prison communication systems, controlled and monitored. Of course I understood that. Submit those people. And if, if we approve it, then you can talk to them. Well, I did that. I talked to them and then they said, you broke the rules. You're going in the hole. And then long story short, they disappeared me for four straight months of horrific isolation abuse. I can barely explain.
00:49:33.800I heard about you at this point. Um, I mean, what you were going through. I heard that you were in, um, solitary for four months. And again, we tried to get senators and congressmen to give us any details, what's happening. And they were blocked at every, every corner as well. What is solitary confinement like?
00:49:57.940I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's very suffocating. Uh, it's, it's, it's just very harsh and it's very, um, desolate. So I think maybe that's a good word to describe that. In addition to being very uncomfortable and very intimidating,
00:50:24.060there is this element of total despair that creeps in very quickly, but continues to gradually build. And you realize you're being strangulated by this sense of despair that you can't quite see or identify, but there's no remedy for it.
00:50:42.260You have nowhere to turn. You have no one to talk to. You have no honesty or logic or rationality in an explanation of anything. Most of the people there ignore you or are rude to you. Um, so it's, it's like being in a, I describe it as imagine you were on a submarine Glenn.
00:51:02.120So, you know, like I said, I'm on deployment. So this is a military mission. I'm trying to take it seriously. Uh, but I know I'm in a war and there's people that are against me or whatever. I'm on a submarine and suddenly someone trips me and I fall into this closet. The door swings behind me. I jump up, but the door's already locked. I'm banging on the door. And then I suddenly hear this sound as the submarine I could tell is dropping to the bottom of the ocean. And then it hits the bottom. No one is coming. You keep banging on the door. No one is answering.
00:51:30.060And then after a few minutes, you realize I am stuck in this concrete closet in the bottom of the ocean. And I don't know if anyone knows or cares that I'm here and if they'll ever come and get me. And then another day goes by and then another day goes by and physically you are miserable. And that pain is compounding with every day. So it's, everything is compounding by the hour, by the day, by the week. You're supposed to have a phone call.
00:51:59.180Do you have a, do you have a window? Can you see time pass?
00:52:05.140One sliver of a window. Uh, so yeah, I could see daylight in the day. Um, well, at least in one solitary unit and another solitary unit, it was so dark and the window was so slim that actually I couldn't see day.
00:52:16.900So different solitary units have different conditions. The one I was in that I spent the most amount of time in was a concrete square hut with various isolation units.
00:52:29.580I couldn't see these people, but the inmates were savage, like animals screaming, yelling constantly, almost never stopped throughout the course of the day at night.
00:52:42.900They would be exhausted and fall asleep. But during the day it picked up again.
00:52:46.400And I hyperventilated at one point because I just couldn't get away from this cacophony that sounded like the dark corners of hell.
00:52:55.400I mean, I, it was hellish in that sense, very literally.
00:53:03.240Did you get to go outside at all? Did you, cause I've, you know, I have to, you have to have an hour or something outside, right?
00:53:13.980So the policy says you must have an hour of recreation per day.
00:53:20.000And when people hear recreation, they think you get to stand outside. You get to dig your toes in the grass.
00:53:26.780You are human on a planet. No, no. First of all, they ignore that rule half the time.
00:53:33.460So I was in a concrete shoe box for about 164 hours a week, but for the two or three hours that I might actually get the rec time,
00:53:42.220they just dragged me to a different part of that concrete building where they had taken the ceiling off with a cage above it.
00:53:49.860So you could see the sky through the cage.
00:53:54.080You're in a dog cage inside of a concrete building where you can see a piece of the sky.
00:54:02.320Four months, four months, four months like that.
00:54:10.460And they're supposed to give you, they're supposed to give you a phone call, Glenn, even in isolation, the rules stipulate a phone call at a minimum every seven days.
00:54:22.260And when you are in those isolation conditions, that phone call is the difference between life or death.
00:54:29.080You will scratch their eyes out to get that phone call.
00:54:32.440I was ready to scratch my own eyes out just to hear the voice of my mom or my girlfriend or my attorney or someone.
00:54:39.880Tell me we're still here and we're going to get you out of this hell.
00:54:47.040They violated that. You didn't get it every week.
00:54:54.680It took almost three months before a lawyer got through a call.
00:55:00.380And it took four months before I was finally taken out of solitary.
00:55:05.440And that was only because of Congressman Matt Gaetz bringing the fire in Congress and bringing the weight down on the BOP to realize they better start changing some things.
00:55:13.320So they whisked me out of the middle of the night to spite him because he was going to come and visit on site.
00:55:19.420Middle of the night whisked me away before he could get there to take me to a different facility.
00:55:23.600And I was finally taken out of solitary.
00:55:51.760I detail that in the book as well because I had six months there to kind of learn how quote-unquote normal prison works.
00:56:02.200And I had at least the opportunity to have a shower every day.
00:56:06.000I had the opportunity to kind of structure some of my own time to process what I had just gone through the previous six months and to wrestle with a lot of questions with God and with myself and with what I believed my country to be before this happened.
00:56:22.660And so I wrestled through those questions.
00:59:58.500When we say the rule of law, what does it mean?
01:00:01.620It means there is a pre-established rule by which we comport our behavior, by which we comport our review and investigation, by which we comport our administration of justice.
01:00:13.620And that rule says that if the government is shown to be nefarious or corrupt or even just derelict, you must throw it out.
01:00:45.480It's a fire that will burn things to the ground if you don't keep the guardrails.
01:00:50.440So Thomas Jefferson said, we must speak no more about the good intentions of man, but we must bind them down by the chains of the Constitution.
01:01:01.560Now, here's the thing on this, is when this rule has ever been enacted before, you don't get mad at the person, the judge or whomever that says, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.
01:02:49.920The FBI field director, Steve D'Antuono of the Detroit field office, oversaw that operation and then was reassigned to D.C. right before January 6th.
01:02:58.560So a lot of interesting, credible evidence, but we'll put that aside.
01:03:02.360We'll say for the sake of argument, without assigning negative intent or criminal intent to the government, we can see with our own eyes clearly what they physically did that was egregious violation of their duty and their protocols.
01:03:17.300So that created the conditions and accelerated.
01:03:19.720When you said you are upset about violence committed by people in black gear breaking windows, so am I.
01:03:31.740Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm not aware of the military-style tactical units, all dressed in black, which of course you can't identify them, who were the insurgents that first broke the windows to gain the initial access to the building.
01:03:45.360That then allowed people to blunder in and then open the doors for me and I stumbled in.
01:03:50.420Well, I just know that I've never seen conservatives dressed like that before.
01:04:44.640That means at least 26 FBI agents knew what was coming if it was planned, okay?
01:04:53.200If it was planned by these, you know, this grassroots, you know, vigilante group.
01:04:58.500That means 26 FBI agents knew that was coming.
01:05:03.160So then explain to me how the National Guard wasn't there.
01:05:06.400Explain to me how the police weren't alerted.
01:05:09.100If you had the FBI knowing, this is the most innocuous charge I could possibly bring on the FBI is, okay, so you weren't involved, but you knew it was coming and you did nothing.
01:06:25.500So clearly, clearly Pelosi and many other people benefited by creating the conditions for a violent event of conflict, which they could then misrepresent and distort and exploit in a myriad of ways.
01:06:37.600This isn't a grand conspiracy theory like they had the map of the whole thing from the beginning necessarily, right?
01:06:43.940But they've game planned and war gamed these things, as we've noted.
01:06:48.060And they very clearly denied 10,000 troops that obviously should have been there.
01:06:52.360Remember, my first thought when I walked up to the building was, I don't see the stage and why aren't there cops or crowd control here?
01:06:57.740Because there's a million people coming to see a speech.
01:07:00.740So, you know, the optics that they complained about were really the optics of making them look completely derelict as government officials.
01:07:09.700But because they have the bully pulpit, the microphone, and all the government weapons pointed at us, they can just shout their story.
01:07:15.580They can parade the January 6th Unselect Committee show trial, literally a show trial, for a year and a half on primetime television, gaslighting us all to death.
01:07:25.800But if you're calm and reasonable and objective and you go through the evidence and you're not taking Nancy Pelosi's side or President Trump's side or anyone else, just what actually happened here, it's not that hard to figure out what happened.
01:07:38.480And it's not that hard to, you could say, speculate.
01:07:42.100But we could speculate that Pelosi and company clearly had motives and they had an objective.
01:07:51.520They had an agenda to advance and they had an opportunity to exploit by facilitating the conditions for an event of violence to occur that never should have happened.
01:08:01.360And without the government's involvement, it would not have happened like that.
01:08:04.380Right. So even with you, you are saying they allowed the conditions, they maybe even encouraged the conditions a little bit.
01:08:15.000But we have cops on video taking fence down.
01:09:26.720So there there's overlap and there's disarray to things.
01:09:30.900But, yeah, there was there's just a lot of evidence and all aspects of it should be investigated honestly and completely by the incoming administration.
01:09:46.760But one of my one of my guys who was working for me at the time, he was kind of a right hand guy.
01:09:55.600He had a meeting that was asked for by the Soros organization.
01:09:59.360And so my right hand man met with the right hand man of Soros and we interpret it as clearly as a threat because it started with your your boss is going to stop saying these things about my boss.
01:10:44.620There are enough people that want his attention, want to be in his circle that will take it on their own and they would be willing to do something and then let it be known in that inner circle that, you know, I was the guy who took care of that problem for you.
01:11:00.900There are so many there are so many interests that you don't have to have a central committee planning.
01:11:08.620This stuff can happen organically on its own if, like you say, you allow the conditions to be right for it.
01:11:17.440So we don't need to have a star chamber planning all of this.
01:11:24.140And it's because of the reality of human nature, right?
01:11:27.100I always tell people that the genius of the founding fathers was to recognize one singular concept with total clarity, and that is the fundamental, inescapable, unchanging reality of human nature.
01:11:39.140It devolves towards evil and it collects power in one place in a totalitarian manner.
01:11:44.320Power always collects in one place and people always seek it.
01:11:47.800So that's why I keep saying guardrails, that constitution is guardrails to channel human nature in a productive direction and counterbalance it against itself.
01:12:32.700Um, I believe firmly and, and, and honestly, I can tell you this from my heart that I was as prepared and wise in the moment as I was able to be at that time.
01:12:44.320So I'm, I'm proud of what I did and how I did it.
01:13:14.220Um, and I have a lot of respect for Kash and Kash and I have had conversations on air long before he thought he was going to be in charge about things like the Epstein, uh, you know, uh, list, um, the ditty.
01:13:57.980Those, those movies would tell us when you have this much power, this much money, this many famous people with so much at stake, these things are never really fixed.
01:14:14.340They're never, they never re the Epstein list will not be released.
01:14:18.800The P Diddy, he might go to prison, but what about all the people that were there?
01:14:26.820Do you, are you optimistic over the next four years that this next administration with Donald Trump is serious enough, knows what they're facing and brave enough to do this and to take this all on and expose it?
01:14:43.120So I love that question because it brings me right back to the book that I wrote while I was in prison.
01:14:49.880I'm in prison going through all of this insanity and abuse and even, even despair.
01:14:55.640And, and, and, and I realized, you know, this comes down to me in this moment and what I choose to do at the moment.
01:15:02.240This comes down to the choices I make on how to respond to suffering and pain.
01:15:06.640And I believe that our country is amazing because it, it calls us to remember the sacred, um, the sacred truth of the human spirit and individual sovereignty.
01:15:21.580America is all about you and me as individuals.
01:15:24.340So I am optimistic because it isn't just about president Trump and his administration.
01:15:31.240I'm very proud of him and a valiant supporter will continue to be, but president Trump by and large,
01:15:36.100also understands the reality that this is about you, the American.
01:15:41.060And so if we remember that, if we reclaim that, and that's why I love to talk about a red pill revolution, revolution is the overthrow of an existing system.
01:15:51.440Now we don't want to overthrow our constitutional system.
01:15:54.260We want to reclaim and revive it, but we do have to overthrow the spirit of evil, the spirit of corruption, the spirit of, uh, selfish.
01:16:06.100Self-seeking, centralized power and the lies that they use as weapons.
01:16:10.660We have to overthrow that system so that we can reclaim the American constitutional Republic for ourselves as American citizens.
01:16:18.520And if each one of us commits to doing that, there is no weapon formed against us that will stand.
01:16:23.420I will tell you that that is exactly the answer I have come to.
01:16:28.060I just wrote predictions on, you know, 2025 and I talked about Epstein and, and this kind of case and, uh, said, uh, I don't think it will happen this year, but it doesn't mean that it won't happen.
01:16:40.860But the only thing standing in the way of it's happening, uh, is apathy.
01:16:48.240If we realize how much power we actually have and we stand up and say, no, our children are being raped, our children, they are, they are bringing children in for pleasure.
01:18:04.920That's my call is that we need to raise up a remnant.
01:18:09.100It won't ever be everyone, but the American revolution, this country, the United States of America formed in 1776 with 3% of the, of the colonists participating in that effort.
01:18:22.080And I tell a story in the book about Gideon, a Jew that God found in a wine press and said, you mighty man are going to save the nation of Israel from the hordes of Midianite marauders.
01:18:31.980And he's like me, like, I don't have anything going on here.
01:18:51.060I want those who are really willing to stay strong when the going gets tough, who, when the government says, I'll give you a golden parachute plea deal.
01:18:57.780And you know, that plea deal is a lie that's being used to crucify thousands of your American citizens and to propel totalitarian government forward.
01:19:06.740And you say, no, God wants that remnant, but it's 3% or whatever percent it is.
01:19:11.760It's a, it's a minority, but it's the tireless minority that Sam Adams spoke lighting fire brush fires in the minds of men with truth and the opportunity of courage.