The Glenn Beck Program - Ep 244 ｜ From Reality TV To Deadly Rescue Missions ｜ Diesel Brothers

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00:00:30.700 American energy is about to be unleashed.

00:00:33.900 The Biden administration tried to push electric vehicles down all of our throats when, honestly, we don't even have the infrastructure to go fully electric, at least not yet.

00:00:42.960 And I don't think most Americans want that.

00:00:46.060 I know at least two men who are probably pretty happy with drill, baby, drill because their career runs on oil.

00:00:54.760 Diesel, in fact.

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00:01:01.280 I mean, what a job.

00:01:02.560 You don't do that with an EV.

00:01:04.740 They're here to talk to me today about trucks, Trump, the unbelievable rescue work, what it means to be an entrepreneur, what it means to be an American.

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00:02:37.960 Welcome.

00:02:48.160 Glad you guys are here.

00:02:49.120 We're happy to be here.

00:02:49.860 It's pretty cool to have you here.

00:02:52.280 I want to get into, because all of your rescue stuff lately, I mean, you guys are really burning it up and doing, I don't know, there's a change, I think, that's happening with a lot of people.

00:03:04.120 And I want to get into that.

00:03:05.120 But for anybody who doesn't know you, how would you describe what you do?

00:03:12.220 Man, that is such a hard question.

00:03:13.900 My kids have the same problem at school when their friends ask them what it's going to do.

00:03:17.640 Yeah.

00:03:18.580 Because it's an evolution, like you said.

00:03:21.760 We started as the truck guys, and then we've evolved into, essentially, we do what we love.

00:03:27.920 And that kind of encompasses all sorts of different things, with an emphasis on being able to solve problems.

00:03:33.280 It's kind of like our main core kind of ethos, is we like to be able to solve problems.

00:03:39.580 We like to be able to do things that other people can't do.

00:03:42.640 And that started in the world of building custom crazy trucks that were over the top and crazy.

00:03:46.980 And we had our TV show on Discovery Channel, and it's evolved into, you know, life-saving missions and recovery missions and, you know, basically going places and doing things that other people can't or won't do.

00:03:59.700 So, Diesel Brothers, you're not actually brothers.

00:04:01.800 How did you guys meet?

00:04:03.140 This is the best part about our story.

00:04:04.560 We actually met at a singles ward for young LDS people.

00:04:08.400 Really?

00:04:08.720 Yeah, so in Utah, as you know, LDS culture is huge, and they've got these singles wards all over the place.

00:04:16.480 And you go to a singles ward after your mission or, you know, age.

00:04:19.340 Wait, weren't you guys supposed to meet a girl?

00:04:22.340 Yeah, a girl.

00:04:22.980 Not each other.

00:04:23.980 He actually succeeded.

00:04:25.300 Yeah.

00:04:25.680 Well, I picked him up first in 2008, and in 2009, I met my wife at the same ward.

00:04:30.360 So I got kind of a two-for-one there.

00:04:32.120 But we met at church, and we kind of came from two different communities nearby, rival high schools, actually.

00:04:39.300 And so we didn't know each other in high school, and our high schools were always fighting against each other.

00:04:42.660 There was always just this rivalry.

00:04:44.300 And so when I first kind of got introduced to his group of friends, he was a little skeptical of, who's this Dave guy?

00:04:50.400 I'm the Dave guy, and, you know, we're both Dave.

00:04:52.640 We're a place where Dave.

00:04:53.660 And, you know, there was a little bit of, like, who is this guy?

00:04:56.000 And then as soon as we met and spent time together, it was like, where have you been my whole life?

00:05:00.360 Like, we're brothers.

00:05:01.200 We're brothers, and that's why they call us brothers.

00:05:04.820 And you, I mean, there's a lot of people who are in the media and do what kind of, what you guys do, and they don't last long sometimes.

00:05:15.600 They just don't last long.

00:05:17.260 To last long, to last as long as you guys have with fame and success is really unique.

00:05:24.560 It's hard to be sustainable.

00:05:25.920 Yeah.

00:05:26.480 How do you do it?

00:05:27.660 Just put friendship first, you know.

00:05:29.280 Don't let the other stuff get in the way.

00:05:31.200 At the end of the day, it's, we were bros before this started.

00:05:34.240 We're going to be bros, but it's over.

00:05:35.820 So.

00:05:36.120 Yeah, that's kind of how the TV show, when we went into it, we were very skeptical.

00:05:40.320 You know, we understand the world of reality TV.

00:05:42.340 We'd seen the good, bad, and ugly.

00:05:43.900 Awesome.

00:05:44.500 Especially, you know, late 2000s, early 2010s, reality TV was just getting to the point where it wasn't about people's lives anymore.

00:05:51.920 It was about how nasty could you make a situation on TV and get away with it.

00:05:55.300 Right.

00:05:55.460 And so we knew that that was going to potentially be the case and they would, you know, try to stir up drama.

00:05:59.120 So we had this kind of, at first, unspoken agreement when we started the TV show that we all kind of said, hey, the day this becomes not fun or the day that this becomes something that kind of tears us apart, we're done.

00:06:09.000 Everybody agree?

00:06:10.100 Good.

00:06:10.380 We're all on the same page.

00:06:11.120 That day came and we all just politely stepped out.

00:06:15.320 How did you know?

00:06:16.040 What was it that you all went?

00:06:17.940 Okay.

00:06:18.440 They were done.

00:06:19.620 About five years into filming, I'd say year two, I was pretty burnt out because I don't like to be kept in a box.

00:06:27.280 As you can see, our evolution is not standard.

00:06:30.100 Right.

00:06:30.760 And it just felt like we were doing the same thing over and over and over again.

00:06:33.320 And so this is where Dave really helps me.

00:06:35.680 He picks up the slack because he's able to go in and put on a real authentic smile in those moments when on TV you have to do the pickups and retakes and retake and retake.

00:06:45.640 And I don't do that very well.

00:06:46.600 I like to be in the moment.

00:06:47.620 So I learned a lot from him that way.

00:06:48.960 So he kind of filled in the gaps on creating the production value of what the TV show needed.

00:06:54.520 And I was kind of more the spearheading what was next.

00:06:58.800 Yeah.

00:06:59.040 And it just got to the point where they wouldn't let us do anything new.

00:07:01.240 It was just the same old thing, truck after truck, after truck, after truck.

00:07:04.160 And then COVID hit.

00:07:05.500 And, you know, blessing in disguise for us because that shut down production completely.

00:07:09.800 In Utah, we were still business as usual.

00:07:11.720 Yeah.

00:07:11.840 But nothing really changed.

00:07:12.560 I know.

00:07:12.940 Like Texas.

00:07:13.760 Nothing changed.

00:07:14.560 Exactly.

00:07:15.260 But we have all these producers from New York and California and all over the place.

00:07:18.940 And for them, it was a big deal.

00:07:20.100 They're freaking out.

00:07:20.540 So that was a good opportunity for us to say, hey, you know what?

00:07:23.080 We're good.

00:07:23.680 Like this is a good kind of area to kind of part ways.

00:07:26.800 And we wanted to leave on good terms with Discovery.

00:07:28.740 We didn't want to be some big, ugly, nasty, blow-up reality TV show where we part ways

00:07:34.320 and one guy has his own show and he's talking bad about this guy.

00:07:36.660 Yeah.

00:07:36.900 We all just determined that we like what we do and we like doing it together.

00:07:40.420 So let's just figure out a way to do that together without the requirement of staying

00:07:44.420 in this box that Discovery Channel creates.

00:07:46.280 It's really hard.

00:07:47.160 Once you get to be known as someone, because I'm like you, I'm all over the place.

00:07:52.040 And yet people have to describe you.

00:07:55.540 They have to be able to, I'm the political guy.

00:07:58.460 Right.

00:07:58.680 When that's only just a little sliver of who I am.

00:08:01.420 Right.

00:08:01.640 You know what I mean?

00:08:02.540 But man, you get with these giant corporations and they just, no, that's all you are.

00:08:07.940 I don't want any more than that.

00:08:09.420 Right.

00:08:09.620 I just want that.

00:08:10.660 So you know the frustration.

00:08:11.580 Oh, it's bone crushing.

00:08:12.780 Being kept in a box and not being able to exercise that creative, you know, I got a lot

00:08:16.960 of creativity inside of me and so does Dave and to not be able to exercise it, not be

00:08:21.140 able to like put it in front of the world in a way that was meaningful and instead have

00:08:24.520 to say, how can you build a truck or a vehicle different, but the same?

00:08:29.520 And it's like, we just can't like, oh, maybe we could.

00:08:31.840 And to be honest with you, we would have, if we would have stuck with it, Discovery

00:08:34.680 Channel probably would have kept our show on the air for another 10 years until the

00:08:38.920 point where nobody was watching like they like to do.

00:08:41.620 They just like to run shows, you know, squeeze every last ounce of juice out of them.

00:08:45.140 They can.

00:08:45.480 And we didn't want to go that route.

00:08:47.180 And so it was, it was a, it was a really cool move when we were able to step away and my

00:08:51.280 whole team, cause this is only part of us, you know, there was two other main guys on

00:08:54.780 the show with us, um, red beard and the muscle.

00:08:56.980 And again, we started as just friends and we are still friends.

00:09:01.240 We were all together last weekend and, um, continue to keep this friendship alive.

00:09:05.100 And the, you don't see that very often.

00:09:06.720 No, no, it's how, you know, it's a real friendship, right?

00:09:09.600 It's, it's based off of like core values and principles.

00:09:12.500 And again, a lot of the stuff has just kind of been unspoken.

00:09:15.820 We haven't had to have a ton of meetings where it's like, Hey, are we still on the same page?

00:09:19.380 Are we still, you know, is this who we are?

00:09:21.060 Is this what we're doing?

00:09:21.680 And these are what our next steps are.

00:09:22.900 It's just, we had true friendships before the show started and we wanted to ride that,

00:09:27.360 you know, that.

00:09:28.140 That is so rare.

00:09:28.840 Yeah.

00:09:29.100 It's so rare.

00:09:29.460 So I, I, I'm convinced fame and fortune, battery acid to the soul.

00:09:33.240 Yeah.

00:09:33.520 Just, I mean, that you could not introduce two things that are worse than that.

00:09:38.140 Yeah.

00:09:38.600 To break people up and to break a soul up.

00:09:41.900 It's the most empty, hollow, depressing world for me.

00:09:45.800 You know, going to these premieres and different things and seeing, you've seen it.

00:09:48.940 You go to these political events or whatever it is.

00:09:51.340 Yeah.

00:09:52.420 And the way I like to explain it is nobody's looking down.

00:09:56.240 Nobody's looking backwards at who's potentially below them.

00:09:59.580 They're all looking for who's that next contact that's going to take them to the next level.

00:10:02.640 And so for me, all the relationships are very inauthentic.

00:10:05.120 They're not real.

00:10:06.260 They're empty.

00:10:06.940 They're hollow.

00:10:07.420 All the contacts that you make are just like, what can you do for me?

00:10:10.400 We're the exact opposite.

00:10:11.540 Yeah.

00:10:11.720 It's what can we do for you and how can we work together?

00:10:13.880 I think that is part of the success because I hate transactional relationships.

00:10:18.420 I hate it.

00:10:18.840 I mean, I don't connect with people, you know, we've met before, but I'm not, you know, calling

00:10:26.160 you and everything.

00:10:27.940 And so I kind of, I'm on this little island by myself and it bothers me when you meet these

00:10:34.820 transactional people that you know they're only calling because they can help you and

00:10:40.080 or they can, they need help.

00:10:42.760 And then they expect you to eventually say, well, I'm going to, I hate that.

00:10:48.080 Right.

00:10:48.400 I mean, if somebody's in trouble or somebody needs something, I'm there, I'm there, but

00:10:52.560 I don't, don't, let's just stop it.

00:10:55.680 You can tell those people a mile away too.

00:10:57.620 I, I, the most like, just the worst example of it that I ever saw was we went to a movie

00:11:03.460 premiere of the Sound of Freedom at Bedminster with Trump.

00:11:06.680 And, uh, last year we were out there, I think it was 2023 and we went to the, this country

00:11:13.760 club and you know, the who's who of, of everybody was out there and watching the way that grown

00:11:19.300 people, I'm talking like a mom and dad from the Hamptons, these 50, 60 year old people

00:11:24.160 would wait to see where president Trump, you know, not president at the time was at.

00:11:28.860 And they would kind of follow him around as this entourage and he would leave a room and

00:11:32.740 they would all pile in the room, almost as if they were in there to like absorb his aura

00:11:36.700 and his musk.

00:11:37.680 And they were just like trailing him around.

00:11:39.740 I thought, this is so bizarre.

00:11:42.060 I don't like this.

00:11:42.660 I don't ever want to be this.

00:11:43.720 And, you know, I had seen a lot going into that, but that was the point where I thought

00:11:48.020 I don't ever want to be in this world in a way that I'm doing anything like that.

00:11:53.540 That is so fascinating.

00:11:54.640 Cause, uh, I don't know if I've ever noticed that we've been in the room with president

00:11:59.920 Trump, a couple of different occasions, right?

00:12:02.480 Would you know, how am I, what did you do?

00:12:05.000 Did you notice any of that about me or you?

00:12:07.260 No, no, no.

00:12:07.800 The thing about you, and this is why I actually was so excited to come to the show is president

00:12:10.940 Trump has an authentic, like admiration of you, the way that he talks to you, the way

00:12:17.320 that he treats you.

00:12:18.180 It's like, like you said, he almost has you on an Island.

00:12:21.660 He treats you a little bit differently than he treated everybody else, because I think

00:12:24.720 he understands that you're legit.

00:12:25.840 And I think people know that you're legit because you're not the one that's following

00:12:28.900 him around looking for the clout, looking for the acknowledgement, looking for the,

00:12:32.860 Hey, Trump's my buddy.

00:12:33.960 You're not out there raising that flag and using that to open doors and to have relationships.

00:12:38.520 So there's very few people that I've seen that have that relationship with the president

00:12:42.300 and you can tell, I mean, he's, he, he can spot authenticity a mile away.

00:12:47.500 And he treated you as such, which was really cool to watch.

00:12:50.320 It shows me you've earned his respect in a big way.

00:12:52.820 He, he, I think he's an amazing guy.

00:12:54.660 He's not the guy he was in 2016.

00:12:56.960 Isn't that wild?

00:12:57.860 It's crazy.

00:12:58.440 He's actually, what's the word I'm looking for?

00:13:02.580 Become humbled.

00:13:03.780 Yeah.

00:13:04.400 I think shooting, getting shot in the head might help you.

00:13:07.220 Yeah, but it wouldn't do that.

00:13:08.920 It wouldn't have that same effect on everybody.

00:13:10.680 Some people would potentially even have more of a God complex.

00:13:13.440 Yeah.

00:13:13.740 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:13:14.420 I'm untouchable.

00:13:15.320 And you would think that Trump of all people would probably go that direction.

00:13:18.480 Yeah.

00:13:18.820 And he didn't.

00:13:19.660 No.

00:13:20.160 He was, yeah, it's been, it's been wild to watch the evolution.

00:13:22.660 I think it clarifies you on, uh, I mean, have you guys ever had real death threats?

00:13:28.840 We've had, we've been in all sorts of different situations as far as death threats for being

00:13:33.060 who we are.

00:13:33.700 Yeah.

00:13:34.240 On a small scale.

00:13:35.380 Yeah.

00:13:35.520 So I've been in a situation where, you know, guns are pulled and it's, it's terrifying.

00:13:42.260 Yeah.

00:13:42.480 And it clarifies who you are.

00:13:46.040 You walk away going, I'm not, I'm willing to die for some things.

00:13:51.020 Right.

00:13:51.540 But not stupid stuff.

00:13:52.960 You know what I mean?

00:13:53.840 And so, and I think that might be what happened to him was, cause his, his whole language changed.

00:13:59.160 His whole approach really has changed.

00:14:00.600 Right.

00:14:01.160 He's not the bomb thrower.

00:14:02.700 No.

00:14:03.040 That he was.

00:14:03.700 And, and I think, I think that's maybe what happened.

00:14:07.600 I think so too.

00:14:08.340 Yeah.

00:14:08.760 Watching him.

00:14:09.700 I mean, this, this second presidency is a whole different ball game.

00:14:12.840 Oh my gosh.

00:14:13.360 I mean, from the way they dress, even Melania at the inauguration, they are just stone cold,

00:14:17.980 ready to get business done.

00:14:19.160 They're not there for the pleasantries.

00:14:21.480 Yep.

00:14:21.640 They're not there to win this person to that person.

00:14:24.260 It's meaningless to them.

00:14:24.540 Exactly.

00:14:25.140 They, they know exactly what they want.

00:14:26.620 They spent the last four years getting just absolutely destroyed by everything and everyone.

00:14:32.360 And now it's their chance to actually get in and do what they've wanted to do.

00:14:36.800 And they're actually doing it so far.

00:14:39.860 So far, so far, so far.

00:14:41.740 It's amazing.

00:14:43.060 Incredible.

00:14:43.420 So far, you guys have to be thrilled with EPA crap.

00:14:47.020 It's really nice to see the whole thing.

00:14:49.180 I mean, the EPA has been such an interesting, um, story for us because when the TV show

00:14:55.120 launched, you know, they showed footage of us building trucks and modifying trucks.

00:15:00.480 But the problem is they also showed a bunch of footage of other trucks that we'd never

00:15:04.480 had anything to do with just other rednecks out having fun with their trucks in the kind

00:15:09.180 of the B roll packages of our TV show.

00:15:11.240 And so you would see other trucks doing crazy stuff and people would just automatically assume

00:15:14.080 that was all us.

00:15:14.860 Well, it wasn't, I would say 10% of that footage was us.

00:15:17.260 So the EPA contacted us after the first season aired pretty quickly and said, Hey, what are

00:15:22.180 you guys doing?

00:15:22.580 What's going on here?

00:15:23.540 You know, kind of went through what we were doing.

00:15:24.860 They realized like, oh, these guys are not doing what it looks like they're doing.

00:15:28.120 However, there was a group in Utah of private doctors called the UPHE acronym that kind of

00:15:34.680 sounds like the EPA sounds like an official state organization.

00:15:38.460 The UPHE.

00:15:42.680 United Physicians for a Healthy Environment.

00:15:45.000 Yeah.

00:15:45.120 Okay.

00:15:45.320 It's the hardest, I have a hard time, not just absolutely wanting to gut these people

00:15:49.660 because what they've done to us has been absolutely atrocious.

00:15:53.300 Here's the thing.

00:15:54.240 They didn't come after us to stop pollution.

00:15:57.260 They came after us because we're a great headline.

00:15:59.240 And every time they would release a press release, it would get picked up all over the country.

00:16:03.240 And it wasn't like, we complied with all of their requests like day one.

00:16:08.120 And we were done doing like, we had already kind of outgrown that phase of our business.

00:16:12.720 Anyways, those were like our early YouTube days.

00:16:14.420 Hang on, explain roll coal.

00:16:17.040 So roll coal is essentially something when you take a diesel truck and you basically cut the

00:16:21.140 muffler or the DPF, the filter off the exhaust and the truck blows smoke.

00:16:25.100 Diesel trucks blow smoke.

00:16:26.340 Right.

00:16:26.440 Up until 2007, trucks didn't have these big DPF filters on them.

00:16:30.040 In 2007, everything changed.

00:16:31.960 EPA came out with rules where basically all diesel engines had to have these massive filters on them.

00:16:37.280 And, you know, it filters the exhaust, which in theory is a good idea.

00:16:41.040 We want clean air.

00:16:41.840 I actually have never been like a, I've never been a fan of a truck blowing a lot of smoke.

00:16:46.360 Yeah.

00:16:46.480 It's kind of embarrassing for me.

00:16:48.060 I don't like it.

00:16:49.040 So, but we did use that in the early days where trucks would blow smoke for maybe, it's actually

00:16:53.860 how we got our TV show, to be honest with you.

00:16:55.300 We, we did a prank on YouTube where we took a truck that blew a bunch of smoke, hooked a

00:17:00.360 hose to the, uh, to the exhaust pipe and ran it into a bathroom where a friend was at,

00:17:05.020 at a, at a, the building kind of a few doors down from ours, gave the truck gas.

00:17:10.520 And it sounds stupid.

00:17:12.500 It sounds like a very stupid idea.

00:17:14.660 But it was funny and it was like this prank and it was, it was, it was, it was a funny

00:17:18.760 moment.

00:17:19.240 It was on private property, whatever.

00:17:20.880 Anyways, the video went viral.

00:17:22.480 Jay Leno saw it and he thought it was the funniest thing in the world.

00:17:24.500 So he had us down on his TV show and on a segment called prank you very much.

00:17:28.340 And he just thought it was the greatest thing in the world.

00:17:30.200 So Dave went on the show and we showed the clip and it was, it was great.

00:17:33.080 Discovery saw that.

00:17:33.780 And they said, these guys are great personalities.

00:17:35.120 Let's pick them up.

00:17:36.060 So that one little moment kind of turned into obviously the TV show, but rolling coal is something

00:17:41.180 that uneducated truck owners like to do.

00:17:44.200 Um, it's, it's the equivalent of taking your classic car back in the day and revving the

00:17:48.340 engine really loud and doing burnouts type of stuff.

00:17:50.940 Um, diesel trucks have this unique feature where they, they blow smoke and people kind

00:17:55.300 of put that crown on us.

00:17:56.680 Like we're the Kings of rolling coal, even though that was like maybe a one year to 18 month

00:18:02.720 little stint.

00:18:04.020 When we first got into the business, we were trying to figure out what to do with this.

00:18:07.520 All of a sudden, all the trucks that we were building, we were a truck dealership.

00:18:10.600 That's where we were just custom trucks, buying, selling, building.

00:18:13.540 And then we became a media company.

00:18:15.340 So what do you do when you're a media company and, and your media is all trucks when you

00:18:19.680 do the craziest thing you can with the trucks.

00:18:21.540 And so rolling coal was a small part of that.

00:18:23.940 We stopped that before the show ever aired before the lawsuit ever came, but then the

00:18:27.680 lawsuit came knocking and they just took that and ran with it.

00:18:30.360 Like you wouldn't believe.

00:18:31.140 And we're still dealing with it.

00:18:32.240 It's insane.

00:18:32.920 But the EPA still dealing.

00:18:34.820 So we, here's the crazy part about it.

00:18:37.380 UPHE loves their press releases that they get against us, right?

00:18:39.960 Every time they file a new motion or whatever, they put a press release out.

00:18:43.360 We found out about our lawsuit from a press release that they put out.

00:18:47.360 It was the most ass backwards thing I've ever seen in my entire life.

00:18:51.000 So they love the recognition and the press that they get from suing the Diesel Brothers.

00:18:55.780 We begin the, you know, the, the lawsuit with them in 2016, immediately tried to start

00:19:02.120 settling, figuring out, Hey, how do we, you know, we're done.

00:19:04.860 We're not going to touch trucks.

00:19:05.820 We're not going to modify them.

00:19:06.560 We're not going to tamper them.

00:19:07.500 And they were out for blood at that point.

00:19:09.840 And so they continue to file motion after motion after motion.

00:19:13.720 And we finally ended up, we had a judge in Salt Lake city.

00:19:17.140 He's more of a liberal leaning judge.

00:19:19.760 Don't think he liked us very much.

00:19:21.220 And he pretty much just ruled in their favor on everything.

00:19:23.840 Didn't really give us a chance to defend ourselves very well.

00:19:27.980 And again, we were still trying to film the TV show.

00:19:30.020 We were literally tiger by the tail, full speed ahead while trying to defend ourselves in

00:19:33.880 this, in this horrible, horrible lawsuit.

00:19:36.020 So long story short, we get a ruling against us in like 2019, basically a judgment says,

00:19:42.300 Hey, we're guilty for all these things.

00:19:44.620 It could have been, if you followed the statutory requirement, it would have been like $300 million

00:19:49.680 in fines, which was obviously absurd.

00:19:52.240 But the fines we got hit with were still pretty excessive.

00:19:54.960 But the problem with that was we had been, the judgment included a bunch of stuff that

00:20:00.180 we never did.

00:20:00.960 So we filed an appeal, the appeal went through and we won 95% of the appeal, which meant to

00:20:07.820 say that out of the 350, 400 violations that they accused us of only 20 of them took place

00:20:17.380 in the state of Utah, where this UPHE has the right to, you know, to take private action.

00:20:22.580 So 95% of the claims were tossed out.

00:20:25.540 And the claims were buying a truck at the auction and selling it to somebody without

00:20:30.700 even touching it.

00:20:31.440 But if the truck didn't have a, you know, the proper emission system on it, we were

00:20:34.840 found guilty just because we purchased it.

00:20:36.680 Oh my God.

00:20:37.000 Well, this is what every dealership in the country does.

00:20:38.640 They buy vehicles and they turn around and sell them.

00:20:40.640 Whether the emissions work or don't work, it doesn't matter.

00:20:42.260 So every dealership in the country was doing this.

00:20:44.620 We were just kind of the poster child for take advantage of these guys.

00:20:47.860 So the crazy part was on the appeal, the judge didn't really do anything for us.

00:20:53.160 He didn't like the fact that we appealed it and he barely adjusted our judgment like at

00:20:57.260 all.

00:20:57.600 And so we've been fighting with them continuously for the last almost 10 years now, trying to

00:21:02.820 get them to become more reasonable on what they're after, what they're going after.

00:21:07.380 We haven't touched a deleted truck in eight, nine years.

00:21:11.580 We haven't touched a performance part in eight or nine years.

00:21:15.580 Like we are so done with that world, but there's a group of doctors, they love the press

00:21:20.200 and they're going to continue to write it out as long as possible.

00:21:21.940 We've been trying to settle this thing for so long.

00:21:23.620 And here's the worst part.

00:21:25.020 We've offered as part of settlement agreements to basically create a fund for the state of

00:21:31.300 Utah, where anybody who has a vehicle that won't pass emissions, single mom, car

00:21:35.980 check engine light comes on.

00:21:36.840 She can't pass emissions.

00:21:37.940 She can't get her car registration renewed.

00:21:39.340 We offered to create a fund that would fix anybody's vehicle, any problems with smog or

00:21:44.600 emissions equipment, it would fix it.

00:21:46.220 They said no to that.

00:21:47.260 And instead they just demanded that $800,000 be sent to the treasury.

00:21:52.000 That money left Utah, right?

00:21:53.960 Not staying in Utah to help anybody or do anything for the healthy environment that they're trying

00:21:57.320 to fix.

00:21:57.720 And no amount of the judgment, nothing ever went to Utah, nothing ever went to fix the

00:22:04.480 environment that they were claiming they were defending.

00:22:06.280 It all just was going to go to the treasury and then a ridiculous amount of attorney's fees.

00:22:11.000 It's the most bizarre thing I've ever seen.

00:22:12.860 It is.

00:22:13.200 I mean, we, we are living in a time and it is an amazing time to live, uh, both positive

00:22:19.100 and negative, um, the, the garbage that goes on now is just ridiculous.

00:22:26.980 And one of the things I like about you guys is I, and I, uh, when we were pulling out

00:22:36.500 of Afghanistan, I just felt this was an embarrassment and all these people were trapped.

00:22:42.960 And so I thought, well, if they're not going to do anything, we'll do it.

00:22:46.640 And I'm standing, you know, over in the middle East and we're flying planes out.

00:22:53.080 We, we rescued, I don't even know, like 20,000 people out of Afghanistan.

00:22:58.320 And I thought, I'm an alcoholic DJ.

00:23:02.320 Right.

00:23:02.600 Why am I doing this?

00:23:03.620 Why am I doing this?

00:23:04.880 But it is, it is one of the coolest things to be able to have a position, have some money,

00:23:11.840 have some, you know, listeners, viewers for you guys, and you just go do it.

00:23:18.140 I mean, it, it's really taking back the essence, I think, of who Americans have always been.

00:23:25.160 I agree.

00:23:25.620 We just do it.

00:23:26.540 Yeah.

00:23:26.960 Right.

00:23:27.580 That's honestly our, that's the way we approach everything.

00:23:31.180 We have become the last call that people make when nobody else can, can solve a problem.

00:23:38.020 They started, I would say that our humanitarian efforts, they've been ongoing, you know, forever,

00:23:42.660 ever since we started business together in 2011, but they really ramped up.

00:23:47.460 Was that a pact or just something that you both are?

00:23:49.360 It's just, I mean, we grew up LDS.

00:23:51.460 Yeah.

00:23:51.720 When you're LDS, you go mow the neighbor's lawn, you go do service projects.

00:23:54.400 That's just what you do.

00:23:55.500 In Utah, you're very, you're very focused on making sure that your neighbor's taken care

00:23:59.060 of.

00:23:59.560 And so it just, our capabilities kept on growing.

00:24:02.840 Yeah.

00:24:03.100 So 2017 hurricane Harvey hits Texas and we saw the chaos and everything on the news.

00:24:09.580 Dave and I were in New York for a press tour for our TV show at the time.

00:24:13.120 I put up a video when we were in New York and said, Hey, we see that, you know, things are

00:24:17.720 really bad in Texas.

00:24:18.720 We're coming.

00:24:19.720 We don't care what we're going to do or how we're going to get there or what's going

00:24:22.760 to happen.

00:24:23.440 But if you want to help support this mission, come to our shop, drop off whatever supplies

00:24:27.580 you want.

00:24:28.000 And, um, in a couple of days, we're going to be on the road to Texas and I'll take my

00:24:31.200 helicopter down and we'll perform rescue missions.

00:24:34.160 So we get back from New York, our shop, there's a line of vehicles sitting outside, pulling

00:24:38.880 in, dropping off cases and cases.

00:24:40.940 Next thing you know, we've got eight semi loads worth of stuff, high water rescue vehicles

00:24:46.880 to water supplies, everything like that.

00:24:48.620 So we send the guys down the road in the trucks.

00:24:50.800 We jumped in my helicopter.

00:24:51.900 We fly down there.

00:24:52.840 Keep in mind at this time, I'm still a student pilot.

00:24:55.660 Uh, I, I didn't, I, a student pilot with a black, at the time I didn't have the black

00:25:01.020 I had, I had a, I had a pretty advanced helicopter.

00:25:03.620 It was a twin engine.

00:25:04.680 Um, you've ever seen the, the Red Bull helicopter that does flicks and stuff.

00:25:07.080 It's a BO 105.

00:25:08.240 Um, but I didn't, I had been flying for about two years.

00:25:11.240 I just hadn't taken my test yet.

00:25:13.340 Um, so I took another pilot with me just to be safe and kosher and make sure we were

00:25:16.720 good.

00:25:17.040 We fly down there.

00:25:18.080 Next thing you know, I'm doing, um, airy vac missions of dead people.

00:25:24.000 It's crazy.

00:25:24.640 Old man, pick him up on the side of the road.

00:25:26.400 Nobody could get in there.

00:25:27.120 Nobody could help him.

00:25:27.760 We threw him in the back of my helicopter.

00:25:28.860 We thought he was dead.

00:25:29.780 He comes to life on the way back to the helicopter, to the hospital.

00:25:32.900 We land on the pad, they get him out and he's alive and probably saved the dude's life.

00:25:38.100 And meanwhile, all my guys were back at a church.

00:25:40.580 We use an LDS church as basically a hub, um, for all of our equipment and everything.

00:25:44.540 And we had probably the best five days of our lives sleeping on church pews and just running

00:25:51.420 nonstop, rescuing people, delivering food and just performing like essential life saving

00:25:57.920 missions.

00:25:58.260 And that was the moment where we were like, we want to double down on this.

00:26:01.180 Like anything, anytime something happens, we want to get involved.

00:26:05.120 And so the moment was when you parked next to the sheriff's helicopter and you said, this

00:26:08.240 is it.

00:26:08.600 This is when I go to jail.

00:26:09.380 And he came over and just ripped off his sheriff patch and stuck it on your arm.

00:26:13.060 It was pretty cool.

00:26:14.160 We landed at Beaumont, Texas.

00:26:16.460 And the only aircraft that were allowed in there were Blackhawks, Chinooks, all the military

00:26:20.620 guys and all the Texas Department of Public Safety.

00:26:23.560 And then there's these guys in a fiery red custom painted helicopter.

00:26:28.800 And we're just kind of just a bunch of young guys hanging around.

00:26:31.540 And we see this guy storming over to us.

00:26:32.940 And I'm like, oh no, no.

00:26:34.000 Actually, one cop came up to us and said, hey, you have to stay here.

00:26:36.140 My boss wants to talk to you.

00:26:37.240 And he was the head of the Texas Department of Public Safety, the head honcho.

00:26:41.540 Just about fired up and took off right there.

00:26:42.980 I really did.

00:26:43.720 We were like, should we go?

00:26:44.900 We should probably go.

00:26:45.940 I'm like, no, let's just hang tight.

00:26:47.680 And he storms over, pulls his patch off and says, this is for you.

00:26:50.720 Thank you.

00:26:51.360 And that's when we were like, well, there could be a collaboration here between us and authorities.

00:26:55.980 Because at this time, remember, we're the guys that were in the news for being the roll

00:26:58.840 coal idiots and destroying the environment.

00:27:01.200 So on one hand, people were terrified to touch us.

00:27:04.100 On the other hand, they saw like, wow, these guys are not afraid of anything.

00:27:07.040 They'll go into literally, whether they're stupid or really brave, they'll go into situations

00:27:12.200 other people won't do and they'll try to solve problems.

00:27:14.420 And so that evolution of us working with federal, state, local agencies to provide these life

00:27:21.420 saving missions has evolved into like what we just got home from doing yesterday in Nevada,

00:27:25.260 which was one of our coolest missions yet.

00:27:26.960 What did you do?

00:27:27.400 So January 2nd, a guy named Michael Martin leaves Las Vegas in his little plane.

00:27:32.980 His wife and he and his wife had had like a little dispute the night before.

00:27:36.560 Nothing crazy.

00:27:37.580 They believe he left to maybe go blow off some steam.

00:27:39.740 Well, he didn't tell the family where he was going.

00:27:41.840 He didn't tell them that he was going even for a flight.

00:27:43.520 They didn't know until the 4th or 5th of January when they found the plane missing.

00:27:47.960 From then, they started tracking the flight and the transponder and his iPad and his watch

00:27:52.100 and everything and his last known location was around Mount Jefferson, which is basically

00:27:55.780 central Nevada, just a little bit north of Tonopah, very rugged, very desolate terrain.

00:28:01.280 The mountain, about 12,000 foot elevation, big, crazy mountain.

00:28:05.100 And so they thought, well, he's got to be around here.

00:28:06.840 So they-

00:28:07.560 Snow, I imagine.

00:28:08.260 Snow, lots of blowing snow, crazy weather.

00:28:10.860 So this became like a national phenomenon.

00:28:12.940 Every news outlet in the country picked it up.

00:28:14.800 And anytime somebody goes missing or something happens, our phone starts ringing or even my inbox

00:28:19.380 just gets full.

00:28:20.480 Hey, you got to help.

00:28:21.340 You got to get involved.

00:28:22.100 Well, we were off-grid filming some other winter content series for the last couple

00:28:26.140 weeks, so we didn't have the ability to jump into the search.

00:28:29.180 Around January 18th, a fish and game warden that was determined, awesome kid, awesome kid.

00:28:35.840 He was bound and determined to figure out what happened to this plane.

00:28:38.200 He hikes four hours into the most treacherous backcountry you can see and doesn't make it

00:28:42.180 all the way to the top, but he's able to get to the base of a cliff and with binoculars,

00:28:45.840 glasses the whole hillside, and he finds the plane crash.

00:28:48.240 So at that point, there's no way he could have gotten to the wreck site.

00:28:53.320 It was another 3,000-foot elevation through four feet of drifted snow.

00:28:57.880 It was impossible to access.

00:28:59.240 So goes back, calls the authorities.

00:29:01.540 Every state agency that had a helicopter or an aircraft got in the air.

00:29:05.060 They started searching, and it got to the point where they just said,

00:29:08.480 we cannot access this crash site, it's not safe, we don't know what to do.

00:29:12.960 Meanwhile, the family thinks that there's a chance that dad, husband, maybe still is alive.

00:29:19.000 The footage or the pictures they got of the wreckage were pretty rough, so it didn't look

00:29:23.740 survivable.

00:29:24.720 So there's a lot of drama between local law enforcement, state authorities, the family,

00:29:30.680 because the family's like, hey, go rescue our dad.

00:29:33.720 And the state's saying, we can't.

00:29:35.660 We don't have the capabilities.

00:29:36.620 We don't have the aircraft.

00:29:37.300 We don't have the manpower.

00:29:38.180 Nobody is willing or capable to do this job because our resources are limited.

00:29:43.580 They called the National Guard.

00:29:44.600 The National Guard said, nope, we can't do it, can't touch it.

00:29:46.780 It's out of our wheelhouse.

00:29:48.980 The terrain is just too nasty.

00:29:50.380 So finally, that's when our emails, we probably received 1,000 emails at that point.

00:29:56.280 So we got home from filming.

00:29:57.780 I called the family and said, hey, I understand what you're up against.

00:30:01.460 Will you accept our help?

00:30:02.420 We'd like to go get your dad.

00:30:05.180 And just broke down in tears.

00:30:06.740 I said, answer to our prayers.

00:30:08.200 Nobody could help us.

00:30:09.340 Nobody was going to be able to solve this problem for us.

00:30:12.520 Had you seen the terrain?

00:30:14.260 You knew what you were flying into?

00:30:16.320 A little bit.

00:30:17.420 So after that, I asked for the contact information for whoever was in charge of the case.

00:30:22.720 Chief Scott Lewis of Nye County Emergency Management out in Nevada.

00:30:26.860 Called him up, said who I was, what I wanted to do.

00:30:29.500 And he's like, don't call me again.

00:30:31.900 Like, this is way out of your, you know, range.

00:30:36.040 We don't need your help.

00:30:36.980 We got all the resources.

00:30:37.940 Everything's covered.

00:30:38.860 And I thought, there's a chance this guy doesn't quite understand who we are and what we do.

00:30:44.680 And he said, look, if anything changes, I'll give you a call back.

00:30:47.000 But as of right now, stand down.

00:30:48.760 All right, fine.

00:30:49.980 Waited about 12 hours.

00:30:51.740 Next morning, my phone starts blowing up.

00:30:53.440 Chief Scott Lewis, hey, things have changed.

00:30:55.820 They did a little bit of research on who we are.

00:30:57.240 Saw some of the other recoveries.

00:30:59.080 Very similar aircraft recoveries that we've done.

00:31:01.460 He said, if you guys want it, come and get it.

00:31:03.680 At that time, he sent me pictures of the wreckage.

00:31:06.140 The problem that I have is I've got a lot.

00:31:08.560 I've got an extreme amount of confidence in myself and my crew.

00:31:11.620 Sometimes too much.

00:31:13.640 But it's been a good thing thus far.

00:31:17.300 Regardless of what the terrain was, I didn't care what people were saying.

00:31:19.580 I knew that we could figure out a way to do it, whether it was via air or whether we had horses up there tugging that airplane off the mountain.

00:31:25.440 Didn't matter.

00:31:25.940 We were going to do it.

00:31:27.060 Get the pictures, look at it, thought, it's pretty rough.

00:31:29.420 It's rugged.

00:31:29.760 It's hard.

00:31:30.080 We'll do it.

00:31:31.960 So we get our crew together, which we have one of the most incredible crews in the entire world.

00:31:35.480 I honestly feel like if I told my guys that I wanted to build a rocket ship to the moon, they could figure it out.

00:31:40.560 It's amazing.

00:31:41.120 A lot of confidence.

00:31:41.880 A lot of confidence in my guys.

00:31:42.860 Very, very grateful to have them.

00:31:44.280 So we put together this mission, flew out there.

00:31:46.800 I do have a Blackhawk now.

00:31:48.220 I purchased a Blackhawk in 2021.

00:31:50.160 I'd like to talk to you about that in a minute.

00:31:52.400 It's one of the most incredible aircraft in the entire world.

00:31:54.480 Yeah, I bet it is.

00:31:55.480 Now we understand why the military loves them so much because we've had an opportunity to really use that thing.

00:32:01.760 All of my flying experience is in high mountains, rugged terrain.

00:32:06.140 It's the type of flying that not a lot of pilots get.

00:32:08.420 And I get to fly with a lot of experienced pilots too, a lot of special forces guys.

00:32:11.820 So I've kind of been trained by some really great pilots, and I've gotten to the point where I'm a very capable pilot.

00:32:18.120 So I was pilot in command of the mission, jumped in the Blackhawk, had my second in command, Ryan, who was a Chinook pilot in the Army.

00:32:26.580 But he's actually not rated in the Blackhawk yet.

00:32:28.860 I'm the only one that's actually licensed by the FAA to fly it.

00:32:31.400 But the Blackhawk that we own is kind of a thorn in the side to the FAA because they don't know what to do with us.

00:32:38.280 We're like the only privately owned Blackhawk who's out there using it for fun and for videos, but also for life-saving missions.

00:32:44.660 So it's like this – falls in this weird category of who are these guys and how do we know they're not going to kill themselves?

00:32:49.680 So we're starting to build more and more confidence with them.

00:32:51.580 That's really – you're an American.

00:32:52.640 That's your responsibility.

00:32:53.700 A hundred percent.

00:32:54.420 It is.

00:32:55.020 And they're finally – we've actually – my relationship with the FAA started off very tumultuous.

00:32:59.780 It's improved every single day since Hurricane Harvey essentially.

00:33:04.460 So we head out to Nevada with our group, and the only way to access the crash site was basically to rappel in because it's on the side of this cliff.

00:33:11.760 We have some footage we can show you here.

00:33:13.860 You can put it in the podcast if you want, but it shows kind of just how gnarly this terrain was.

00:33:17.980 The plane essentially just pile-drived into the side of a cliff and just tumbled down the cliff in parts and pieces.

00:33:25.420 The pilot's body is somewhere in that mess.

00:33:28.120 And so to be able to access the crash site, we thought based off the pictures and the terrain maps and everything we saw that we would have to rappel in.

00:33:34.440 We got into the crash site, had our rappelling crew ready to go, essentially just jumping out the door of the Blackhawk, right, and just rappelling down our road to access the site.

00:33:43.080 I've been in helicopters with people that do that, and I think, you're out of your mind.

00:33:46.840 What are you doing?

00:33:47.700 Now try it at 11,300 feet with wind swirling all over the place and pure whiteout because rotor wash from the blades.

00:33:53.840 It's a mess.

00:33:54.960 Luckily, when we got to the crash site, we realized that we could land right above the crash and drop our ground crew and have them hike down.

00:34:00.860 Anytime you can minimize your risk, you're going to do it.

00:34:03.800 So there was no sense in taking the risk of holding a hover while I sat there for 10 minutes and let guys pile out of the helicopter, plus all of our rescue equipment, which was probably 500 pounds worth of tools and rigging and all kinds of stuff.

00:34:15.520 So we put the crew on the ground.

00:34:17.500 They hiked down to the crash site.

00:34:18.660 We took all of our equipment and hooked it to the belly of the Blackhawk.

00:34:21.080 I picked up, hovered over the cliff, dropped the gear right by them, which I was super proud of.

00:34:26.800 Hanging a line from the bottom of a Blackhawk or any helicopter and putting it in a precise spot is very difficult.

00:34:31.780 Especially on a flat field at sea level is hard.

00:34:36.500 You got it within 20 yards of us.

00:34:37.920 Yeah, I got it pretty close.

00:34:38.960 I was pretty proud of that.

00:34:41.000 Dropped the load.

00:34:42.240 Ground crew got to work.

00:34:43.660 First priority was the body.

00:34:44.960 We had to make sure that we got the body.

00:34:47.600 And when a plane hits a mountain that hard, bodies don't fare well.

00:34:52.520 Fortunately, the freezing temperatures had preserved whatever remains.

00:34:55.780 So with the body bag, we gathered the body parts, set them aside, and then the guy started to rig up the aircraft and basically tie everything together with different hooks and lines and everything so that it was one big bundle of a package.

00:35:10.120 And then once we got the call, they said, come in and grab it.

00:35:13.020 So we came in.

00:35:13.760 We hooked the body bag at the highest point on the hook where it was essentially separate from the wreckage and safe.

00:35:18.480 And then the wreckage all below that, and I held the hover there above that cliff for three or four minutes while they hooked up the hook.

00:35:26.420 And then once they gave us the green light, we picked up, and you could see just parts and pieces of this aircraft being pulled off this mountain until they finally just kind of came together in one lump mass.

00:35:36.840 And then we flew down 10 miles west of there to a little airstrip called Hadley where all the emergency management was sitting there waiting, law enforcement, coroner, everybody.

00:35:45.080 And when we flew in with that load, you would have thought that, I mean, to them, it looked like the second coming.

00:35:51.300 It was the most unexpected thing because, again, a lot of these guys don't know who we are or didn't know our capabilities or thought that we maybe bit off more than we could chew.

00:36:00.560 And so when we pull in with this aircraft wreckage that not even the National Guard would touch, it was such a gratifying moment for all of us because, you know,

00:36:08.580 the chief who originally told me, like, stand down, came up and gave me a full hug, like a very emotional hug.

00:36:15.540 And it was a cool moment because we actually had the family there at a separate site, you know, half a mile away because we didn't want them to be there exposed to any of the sensitive stuff.

00:36:24.540 And for us, seeing the family's reaction and seeing how we brought closure to something that, I mean, when something bad happens, you always think that law enforcement can handle it.

00:36:37.360 You always think that somebody somewhere is going to be able to solve this problem for you, especially when it comes to the loss of a loved one.

00:36:43.000 So when you get told no and you get told we're out of options, we cannot do this, it's a very desperate feeling.

00:36:49.560 And the family was feeling that very, like, desperation.

00:36:52.900 And so being able to take the family from not knowing the status of Michael, the pilot, thinking maybe he was alive, maybe he wasn't,

00:37:00.680 to finally getting answers, all the way down to finding his watch and his wallet and all the stuff that had scattered all over the mountainside.

00:37:07.100 And you go from 8 o'clock that morning having no answers and the family just distraught to 2 o'clock that afternoon, closure.

00:37:17.360 It's all there.

00:37:18.040 Yeah, everything's settled and everything.

00:37:20.540 I mean, it's still a tragic situation, but not knowing is significantly more tragic than being able to see what happened, understand it, and start to process the fact that, you know, he's not on that mountain anymore.

00:37:34.720 And that's not the first time we've actually had almost the exact same situation that happened to us a few different times where a pilot will crash into a remote site.

00:37:42.460 Nobody can get to it, either the family doesn't have the funds to contract a private company, or the state won't allow a private company to come in.

00:37:49.960 And the email I got from the state emergency manager yesterday was probably the best part about all this, because he was the most skeptical, the most reluctant, because you got a bunch of YouTubers with a Black Hawk helicopter saying,

00:38:02.440 we're going to come and do what you guys can't, that's a tough pill to swallow for some of these guys.

00:38:07.920 And so he was very skeptical, very reluctant.

00:38:10.260 The email basically said, hey, like, obviously, hats off to you guys.

00:38:16.220 But even more so, he said, would you be willing to come train all the Nevada search and rescue pilots on what you did and how you did it and what your techniques and procedures were?

00:38:25.420 Man, it's just a good feeling.

00:38:26.900 It's not about, for us, the acknowledgement of, yo, you did a good job.

00:38:31.140 That's a bonus.

00:38:32.080 It feels great.

00:38:32.780 But for us, it's being able to take the family from the worst day of their life.

00:38:38.600 Doing good.

00:38:39.280 Yeah, you're doing good.

00:38:40.200 And that's honestly what fuels all of our missions.

00:38:42.180 And we just keep on taking on bigger and crazier stuff.

00:38:46.320 And now, like I said, it's gotten to the point where we do stuff that nobody else can do.

00:38:49.400 I think that is the difference, though.

00:38:51.500 And we were losing this.

00:38:54.900 And we still might.

00:38:56.420 I mean, you know, we've got two weeks under our belt.

00:38:58.600 But we were, that's who Americans are.

00:39:02.600 They were just the people who, I mean, just crossing the ocean was insane.

00:39:07.060 Right.

00:39:07.520 You know what I mean?

00:39:08.120 Crossing, I have to tell you, I think if I were a pioneer,

00:39:11.480 I would have stopped, I think, at the Missouri River.

00:39:13.980 I would have been like, okay.

00:39:14.780 That's far enough.

00:39:15.380 Yeah, that's far enough.

00:39:16.340 You know, I definitely would have stopped in Denver.

00:39:20.080 For sure.

00:39:20.560 And then if I would have gone on, I would have killed the scout about halfway over those mountains.

00:39:26.360 You know, you get over and then you're like, what?

00:39:28.680 This is where we're going?

00:39:29.500 This is where we're going?

00:39:30.680 It's the desert.

00:39:31.660 Are you nuts?

00:39:32.760 You're originally from Washington, right?

00:39:34.180 Washington State, yeah.

00:39:35.180 And then where'd you go from there?

00:39:37.400 Washington, D.C.

00:39:38.800 You went straight from Washington State to D.C.?

00:39:40.340 Washington State to Salt Lake City for about six months to Washington, D.C.

00:39:47.080 And was that whole time you were on in radio?

00:39:49.840 Yeah.

00:39:50.160 You started at 13?

00:39:51.340 Yeah.

00:39:52.040 How do you start on radio when you're 13?

00:39:53.720 You go to a really bad station.

00:39:57.440 But the radio career took you from, were you on KSL News Radio in Salt Lake?

00:40:02.380 No, I was on K96.

00:40:04.940 Really?

00:40:05.180 Yeah, yeah, a little station.

00:40:07.260 And I was on a big station in Seattle, went and did nights in Salt Lake for about six months.

00:40:15.520 And then they, the company transferred me to Washington, D.C., which was, I mean, I had never.

00:40:20.440 It was a big step.

00:40:21.240 It was a huge step.

00:40:22.340 Living out by my own from a family that didn't have anything.

00:40:26.500 I mean, I couldn't afford to call my parents.

00:40:29.200 My dad couldn't afford to call me.

00:40:31.560 How old were you when you went out?

00:40:32.860 18.

00:40:33.680 So at 18.

00:40:34.640 You were in D.C.

00:40:35.580 You were in D.C.

00:40:36.520 Yeah.

00:40:37.780 Doing talk radio?

00:40:39.300 No, music radio.

00:40:40.580 Music radio.

00:40:41.100 As a DJ.

00:40:41.880 Yeah.

00:40:42.800 So you got your start as a DJ.

00:40:44.200 Yeah.

00:40:44.520 And then, you know.

00:40:45.840 This isn't about me.

00:40:46.780 This is about you.

00:40:47.260 I'm so curious about this, though, because it's been, Utah loves you, as you know.

00:40:52.260 You came and did Tucker's show in Utah.

00:40:54.320 And that was actually a really cool moment, seeing, like, you got Utah by the, from the 90-year-olds

00:41:00.800 all the way down to, like, the younger demographic.

00:41:03.040 It's crazy.

00:41:03.520 And I've been trying to wrap my head around, like, how does a talk radio guy evolve in this

00:41:08.660 environment?

00:41:09.060 Like, you've learned how to take your DJ, then talk radio career, and evolve it into the

00:41:16.900 podcasts and all the actual, like, digital environment.

00:41:19.860 It's fascinating, Glenn.

00:41:20.820 Well, it's, you're the same way.

00:41:24.240 You guys are the same way.

00:41:25.300 It's just, you have to be a risk taker.

00:41:26.940 Yeah.

00:41:27.360 You know?

00:41:27.800 Know the odds of, you know, win or lose before you put the money on the table, but roll the

00:41:34.480 dice, man.

00:41:35.360 Sometimes you just got to go like this when you see the odds and you don't like them.

00:41:38.000 Yeah.

00:41:38.260 That's what we do.

00:41:38.800 You just go, you know what?

00:41:39.740 I just feel in everything in me.

00:41:41.380 This is what we got to do.

00:41:42.660 Yeah.

00:41:42.860 And you just do it.

00:41:43.920 Yeah.

00:41:44.040 And it's sometimes, it's scary.

00:41:45.840 You know?

00:41:46.340 Yeah.

00:41:46.560 You walked away from discovery.

00:41:48.180 Right.

00:41:48.340 There are times when you are walking away from things that people would give their right

00:41:52.280 arm for.

00:41:53.100 Right.

00:41:53.420 And you're like, it's not right.

00:41:55.640 It's true.

00:41:56.020 I got to move.

00:41:56.900 It's hard to do.

00:41:58.040 It takes courage.

00:41:58.940 It also takes an extreme amount of confidence in your capabilities.

00:42:02.020 But that's what, you know, one of the things I love about you guys is you're entrepreneurs.

00:42:07.180 Yeah.

00:42:07.440 You're just entrepreneurs.

00:42:09.020 And you'll figure it out.

00:42:10.400 Good entrepreneurs just figure it out.

00:42:12.620 Yep.

00:42:12.640 You'll figure it out.

00:42:13.200 You know?

00:42:13.600 And failure.

00:42:14.840 What was your biggest failure?

00:42:16.880 Man, we've had a handful.

00:42:18.340 Uh, a very obvious one is, is such a sore subject for me.

00:42:24.940 2016, we're rocking and rolling in the truck world, TV shows, killing it.

00:42:28.840 We've got this huge media empire on social media of all these trucks.

00:42:31.980 And I thought, I'm tired of buying tires.

00:42:33.880 I hate buying tires.

00:42:34.820 It's something we buy a lot of.

00:42:36.400 It's expensive.

00:42:37.240 I hate buying other people's tires.

00:42:38.260 I want to make my own tire.

00:42:39.520 So we set out on this ambitious journey to make, um, specialty tires for diesel pickups

00:42:46.080 that lasted longer than, you know, what we were buying.

00:42:48.680 It was, it was kind of like a need that we had, right?

00:42:50.540 We want to fix this problem that we have and we want to obviously make some money while

00:42:53.640 we're doing it.

00:42:54.140 So we built this tire brand and the whole goal was to always have this American made tire

00:42:57.720 company.

00:42:58.480 Well, you can't just start making tires in America day one.

00:43:00.460 It's really hard.

00:43:01.620 Nope.

00:43:01.920 I tried clothing.

00:43:03.260 Oh yeah.

00:43:04.180 Exactly.

00:43:04.680 It was really, really difficult to make anything in America, especially something that has

00:43:08.560 such a strong industry overseas.

00:43:11.120 So I literally just started calling companies.

00:43:13.300 Hey, will you make tires for us?

00:43:14.180 Hey, will you make tires for us?

00:43:15.260 Finally, federal tire in Taiwan responded and said, yeah, we'll do it.

00:43:19.120 And I thought, this is awesome.

00:43:20.200 They're not Chinese.

00:43:21.020 This is the best thing in the world.

00:43:22.080 It's one step like above starting in China, which is what most, most people have to start

00:43:25.580 had a killer relationship with these guys.

00:43:27.960 They were so awesome.

00:43:28.860 They were so good to us.

00:43:29.860 Um, and our brand was Patriot tires.

00:43:33.220 Well, keep in mind, we're young entrepreneurs that are trying to juggle a TV show, a lawsuit.

00:43:37.680 Um, all of our kids being born at the same time.

00:43:40.760 We've got like new newborn children all over the place.

00:43:43.840 It was chaos, but it took off.

00:43:47.300 We were able to kind of show the evolution of Patriot tires on the discovery show, diesel

00:43:51.680 brothers.

00:43:52.120 We even had the chairman of the federal tire, this old Chinese guy.

00:43:57.820 Actually, there was a bunch of old Chinese guys that didn't speak much English, but they

00:44:01.000 were so stoked to come be on the show.

00:44:02.320 And they came and jumped in one of our monster trucks with us.

00:44:04.320 And there's an episode of them screaming in the backseat of the truck as we're driving

00:44:07.700 them through the rocks and the mud, having the best time ever.

00:44:10.460 And that launched our tire company and it just took off to the moon.

00:44:13.900 It was absolutely crushing it.

00:44:15.800 Like we were so pumped selling tires like crazy.

00:44:18.340 Couldn't keep on the shelf.

00:44:19.640 Um, we were trying a different tire model where we tried to start by not going to distribution.

00:44:25.420 We wanted to go direct to consumers because we figured, Hey, if somebody wants a set of

00:44:29.000 tires, let's buy from us and we'll just ship it to their house on a pallet and they can

00:44:32.280 take them to the tire store.

00:44:33.360 That's how we ordered tires and it was working and we were killing it and we were having the

00:44:37.520 best time.

00:44:38.160 And about, it was probably like a month before or after we got served the lawsuit for the

00:44:44.280 clean air stuff, we received a cease and desist from some company in Singapore that owned

00:44:48.940 the, uh, the trademark for Patriot tires.

00:44:52.980 Well, we thought we had done some research, but I didn't.

00:44:56.180 I just told somebody like, Hey, will you look this up?

00:44:57.620 Make sure this name's available.

00:44:59.100 I was, I was running a gun and trying to get this tire deal going.

00:45:02.540 We thought we had the trademark.

00:45:03.560 We didn't, um, this company, uh, Omni tire had had it and they basically said, not so

00:45:10.060 fast, stop what you're doing.

00:45:11.820 And, uh, cause they saw us on TV, right?

00:45:13.880 On discovery channel.

00:45:14.800 And they said, we own that trademark.

00:45:16.460 Um, you're done.

00:45:18.320 And so we said, well, there's gotta be something we can do.

00:45:20.580 Work it out.

00:45:21.120 You know, let's do a partnership.

00:45:22.180 We tried to form a partnership with them.

00:45:23.980 It didn't work.

00:45:25.140 Essentially.

00:45:25.460 They just took Patriot tires from us and, uh, it's still a very successful tire brand.

00:45:29.820 And we got left with nothing, nothing.

00:45:33.260 It was a great, it would have, it would have been probably today.

00:45:36.380 It probably would have been a hundred million dollar business.

00:45:39.260 And we tried to get again, once we learned our lesson the hard way, we tried to launch it

00:45:43.580 again.

00:45:43.780 And we, in fact, were able to make tires in the U S Cooper tire, saw our success with

00:45:47.600 Patriot tires and said, we'll make your tires.

00:45:49.540 So we started a new company, but the problem was I didn't love the brand from day one.

00:45:53.800 It wasn't Patriot tires.

00:45:54.820 It wasn't my tire company.

00:45:55.700 It was something different.

00:45:56.440 We had to come up with a different name.

00:45:57.960 And I know the passion just basically fizzled out and that company didn't last a year.

00:46:02.300 That is the secret.

00:46:03.220 Anybody who's doing podcast, YouTube, whatever, that is the secret.

00:46:07.720 But so many people perform and, uh, if it's not genuine, if you're not passionate about

00:46:17.000 it, at least with me.

00:46:17.920 And I think with you guys, it's not going to, it's not going to work.

00:46:21.900 I mean, we've had really good ideas that I'm like, okay, well, let's try that never works.

00:46:27.220 But if it's something, even if it's a bad idea, but it's something that I'm passionate

00:46:32.060 about, it works.

00:46:33.640 I mean, people are just, they like you because you're you, my, you know, our whole business

00:46:39.040 group, ecosystem, employees, everybody knows that I'm not super passionate about it, but

00:46:44.360 Dave's not super passionate about it.

00:46:46.040 Nobody should even put too much effort into it.

00:46:48.880 No.

00:46:49.200 And, um, you know, that that's proved itself over and over and over again throughout what

00:46:53.260 we do.

00:46:53.520 But on the flip side of that, if they seem excited about something, they've learned to

00:46:56.540 double down because whatever it is, cause it's going to work.

00:46:58.960 Cause if I'm excited, everybody gets excited.

00:47:01.100 I'm the guy that's really good at going out and like saying, Hey, here's a fruit tree.

00:47:05.920 It's got a lot of really good fruit on it.

00:47:07.040 Pick the first piece, show everybody, taste it.

00:47:08.660 Here's, it's really good.

00:47:09.720 But then I'm like, where's the next tree?

00:47:11.680 Yeah.

00:47:12.060 I want to go find that next tree.

00:47:13.120 Right.

00:47:13.380 And, but I got to leave people there to harvest this one and run it and manage it.

00:47:16.720 So it's, but dude, when you're young, you don't know how to learn that about yourself.

00:47:20.820 Nobody's going to teach you that.

00:47:22.020 Especially when you come from a background like us, neither one of us came from real business

00:47:25.460 savvy families.

00:47:26.260 Neither one of us came from money.

00:47:27.420 My dad died when I was 21 and I was left with my mom to figure out how to take care

00:47:31.960 of, right?

00:47:32.360 Like I, I, no inheritance, no nothing.

00:47:35.480 In fact, I got my first business funding.

00:47:39.460 Um, this is a, this is such a funny story back in 2008, 2009, I was trying to get started.

00:47:47.200 Well, you remember 2008, 2009, nobody was giving loans, let alone like small business loans

00:47:51.460 to people with no history.

00:47:53.420 So I found this group called wonder financial.

00:47:59.220 He likes it already.

00:48:01.340 It's already a good story.

00:48:03.880 We will get you business funding.

00:48:05.280 I said, all right, well, let's figure it out.

00:48:07.200 Okay.

00:48:08.100 You got to go to all these different banks on the same day and apply for a car loan.

00:48:12.340 And then we'll get you approved for your car loans.

00:48:14.420 And then what you do is you'll go to the auction or go to a dealership and you'll talk

00:48:18.440 them way down on a car, but you'll be able to borrow the full amount because you know,

00:48:21.680 books out of that and then the excess, you'll be able to just keep and use this business

00:48:25.540 funding.

00:48:26.280 And so we did, I went out and got like eight car loans and my credit was like seven 50.

00:48:31.600 And then all of a sudden all those things hit on the same day.

00:48:33.960 But luckily the loans had already closed and it went down to like 400.

00:48:36.820 Yeah.

00:48:37.320 But somehow I ended up with like $19,000 in equity that I had way over borrowed on all

00:48:42.960 these cars.

00:48:43.460 And that's what I took and used and started the business.

00:48:45.960 But then I had a bunch of cars that I had to figure out what to do with.

00:48:48.680 So I was like, Oh, you know what?

00:48:49.340 I'll lease them out.

00:48:50.440 I'll just lease these cars to other people and they'll make my payments for me.

00:48:52.880 And they'll basically pay for all my business, you know, capital.

00:48:55.860 Yeah.

00:48:56.900 Have you ever tried to lease or rent cars to people that, that have to lease or rent a

00:49:01.720 car from a private party?

00:49:02.700 Right.

00:49:03.000 Yeah.

00:49:03.120 Not good.

00:49:03.580 It usually means they've, they've come from a rough background.

00:49:06.120 Yeah.

00:49:06.540 We were repoing cars.

00:49:07.880 We were chasing people down.

00:49:09.260 We were putting trackers on things.

00:49:10.640 We were, it was an absolute nightmare, but without it, I wouldn't have been able to get my

00:49:14.060 start because in 2008, nobody had any money to do anything.

00:49:17.020 And I would have probably had to wait three or four years.

00:49:20.300 It jumpstarted our business.

00:49:21.320 It was a risky move.

00:49:22.960 FBI called me in 2011 and said, Hey, tell us what you know about wonder financial.

00:49:29.120 For me.

00:49:29.940 I've been waiting for this phone call.

00:49:32.260 I've been waiting for this phone call.

00:49:33.580 And you know, they, they dug into them and obviously it was, uh, I didn't do anything

00:49:36.840 wrong.

00:49:37.140 Um, turns out the way they were doing business wasn't necessarily wonder financial.

00:49:42.960 Yeah.

00:49:43.400 Yeah.

00:49:43.760 They didn't, they, they're not around anymore, which is surprising.

00:49:46.540 Yeah.

00:49:46.860 Uh, but it was, you know, it's always been about figuring it out.

00:49:50.380 It's always been about, man, it goes back to the way too much confidence in myself.

00:49:54.720 I literally, I can't fail.

00:49:56.200 You know, it is really, it's, it's, again, I think as long as it doesn't get out of control,

00:50:03.520 the belief that you can do it.

00:50:06.640 That's why I just think everything that's happened in the last 20 years is so evil because

00:50:10.160 it's, it's, it's telling everybody you can't do it.

00:50:13.260 You need me.

00:50:14.260 You need this.

00:50:15.140 You can't do it.

00:50:16.060 You're never going to succeed.

00:50:17.480 That's so evil because when, when you actually believe now I'll figure that out.

00:50:22.480 Well, don't you think it's when confidence turns into ego?

00:50:24.520 I think that's, that's the tipping point because confidence, when confidence turns

00:50:30.080 into ego.

00:50:30.600 And I think that happened to our country in many different ways because, you know, the

00:50:35.540 world war II generation, those guys were confident.

00:50:38.260 They just knew that the American spirit could do it and we could figure it out, which is

00:50:41.720 why it was such an incredible generation.

00:50:43.780 Well, once you get really good at something for so long and you keep doing it, you get

00:50:46.680 to the point where you just assume you're good at everything.

00:50:49.100 And you haven't been challenged.

00:50:51.840 100%.

00:50:52.200 And guess what?

00:50:52.880 We've been like the last, when do you think things got really bad in the U S I

00:50:56.700 mean, they've been getting bad, but it, it kind of like that seed kind of sprouted

00:51:00.780 in 2000.

00:51:02.900 I think it was probably, yeah, maybe around 2000.

00:51:07.720 I think our height of our, the arrogance of the nineties and the.com and all of that

00:51:16.380 stuff, but I think in, I don't know when our arrogance stopped.

00:51:23.760 I was going to say maybe it was right before the, the, uh, financial crash, but I think

00:51:29.620 we went right back to being arrogant after nine 11, after 2008, I think we just started

00:51:37.080 to get it.

00:51:38.040 I agree.

00:51:38.320 I hope we don't go back to, well, it's all fixed now.

00:51:41.400 I don't have to pay attention.

00:51:42.660 I don't, you know.

00:51:43.460 But how cool has that been to see this transition of, I mean, dude, the whole country just swung

00:51:49.120 complete opposite direction from where we were.

00:51:51.660 It was scary as hell though.

00:51:52.760 In my business.

00:51:53.340 It was scary as hell.

00:51:55.540 A conservative talk show radio host.

00:51:57.460 Gosh.

00:51:57.760 You, you were demonized for the last several years.

00:52:01.140 Oh, I've been demonized since 2008.

00:52:03.200 Yeah.

00:52:03.420 I was, I was voted the third most admired man in the world.

00:52:09.820 I tied the Pope and Nelson Mandela.

00:52:13.320 Okay.

00:52:13.480 That's how desperate they were Americans.

00:52:16.560 Um, and that's in 2008 when I was at CNN, when I moved to Fox within a year, I was hated.

00:52:24.480 I did the same show.

00:52:26.040 I just had the same things.

00:52:27.760 It was just, have you always said you're spoken your mind the same way on each show

00:52:31.600 you've been on?

00:52:32.660 Uh, after I got baptized, uh, cause I really needed, I really needed forgiveness.

00:52:38.260 Right.

00:52:38.740 And, um, and I made a pact with God.

00:52:42.120 I'll do it your way.

00:52:43.400 I'll do whatever you tell me to do.

00:52:45.820 Right.

00:52:46.540 Um, and I, I take my covenant with him.

00:52:49.860 You were a convert to the church in the nineties?

00:52:52.620 Uh, 99, 2000.

00:52:54.720 Oh, wow.

00:52:55.560 I thought it was early nineties.

00:52:56.500 Okay.

00:52:56.720 So late nineties.

00:52:57.400 And a wild alcoholic and everything else.

00:52:59.800 And I screwed my whole life up.

00:53:01.320 And then when I was redeemed and I have a fresh start and it's real, um, I was for probably

00:53:10.740 first five years, I was just afraid to do anything wrong.

00:53:13.580 Cause I didn't want all that stuff to come back.

00:53:15.260 Right.

00:53:15.540 And then you grow in it and you're like, oh, oh, I don't want to do anything bad.

00:53:20.760 I want to do good.

00:53:21.940 But if you, if you, if you actually make a covenant and say, I will be honest in my business

00:53:29.920 dealings, I will not tell a lie.

00:53:32.140 I will not take a shortcut.

00:53:33.680 You know what my, my proudest moment was when I left Fox after all the cover of time magazine,

00:53:39.840 all the success, everything else, you know what I was most proud of?

00:53:42.300 What?

00:53:42.620 I never compromised once on what I believe to be true.

00:53:48.160 And the compromise, the, the, the, the push to compromise on what you actually believe

00:53:54.640 was intense.

00:53:56.100 And I had, um, uh, something that was on my desk at Fox the entire run.

00:54:02.360 And one of the guys said, we're just going to throw this away.

00:54:05.700 You should take it.

00:54:06.600 And I picked it up in my hands.

00:54:08.560 I was, I'm walking out of my studio the last time I take it in my hands and I take about

00:54:12.380 three steps.

00:54:12.920 And I said, actually, you'll have to throw it away.

00:54:18.040 That's not mine.

00:54:19.380 And you don't really have the, it's not yours.

00:54:23.880 You can't give it to me.

00:54:25.020 Yeah.

00:54:25.500 So thank you.

00:54:26.960 And I walked out and I closed the door closed behind me and I'm like, that's the first thing

00:54:31.500 in my life I've ever completed with my honor.

00:54:35.080 Absolutely intact.

00:54:36.260 That's awesome.

00:54:36.660 I believe that's where true peace and power comes from is being able to just trust yourself

00:54:41.340 and, and when you are in line with God, everything becomes so easy, right?

00:54:47.380 You don't have to worry.

00:54:48.520 What did I say to him?

00:54:49.520 What did I do?

00:54:50.160 What was that?

00:54:50.820 And when somebody accuses you of doing something wrong, you're like, yeah, you know, accuse

00:54:56.620 all you want.

00:54:57.280 Right.

00:54:57.880 Didn't happen.

00:54:58.460 You don't care.

00:54:59.120 Didn't have it.

00:54:59.520 You don't care.

00:55:00.240 And people become terrified of you because they're all hiding stuff.

00:55:05.280 Right.

00:55:05.500 And when you walk into a room, they know, A, they think, I think these people can see

00:55:11.600 I'm a fraud.

00:55:12.420 Right.

00:55:12.780 You know what I mean?

00:55:13.340 I'm hiding stuff.

00:55:14.920 And, and, and they know you're not bluffing.

00:55:17.800 They, you know, I, I've, I've, I was taught really young when you negotiate, don't ever bluff.

00:55:25.600 Don't threaten.

00:55:26.920 Just make a promise.

00:55:28.180 Right.

00:55:28.920 You do this.

00:55:29.860 I'll do that.

00:55:30.940 You don't do that.

00:55:32.180 I won't do this.

00:55:33.460 Yeah.

00:55:33.700 And, and so when, when you look at people and they're negotiating and you're like, no,

00:55:38.000 really the number is this.

00:55:39.480 And I, I'm not negotiating with you.

00:55:41.400 I mean, I just, I'm a straight ahead guy.

00:55:44.020 This is what it's going to take.

00:55:46.480 They don't know what to do.

00:55:48.680 That's true.

00:55:49.240 Because they're not used to it.

00:55:50.040 They're not used to it.

00:55:51.160 They're not used to people.

00:55:52.600 They think, they think you are negotiating.

00:55:56.420 I mean, it's crazy.

00:55:58.800 You know, it's interesting.

00:55:59.500 I've always wondered why people love you so much.

00:56:02.400 I like you.

00:56:02.840 You're great.

00:56:03.280 You put out good information.

00:56:04.680 But as we've gotten to know you a little bit better, this side of it is starting to show.

00:56:08.220 And that's one thing that I came into this show feeling and knowing is you're a guy who

00:56:11.740 does what he says he's going to do.

00:56:14.220 And, but you know that like deep down inside, you're not bluffing that.

00:56:18.620 And that's why you, you look very comfortable in your own skin and people pick up on that and

00:56:22.780 they want that easy though.

00:56:23.900 So it's so easy.

00:56:24.960 You just have to get past, you have to believe that you're a decent human being.

00:56:30.800 Right.

00:56:31.020 So you have to live that.

00:56:32.240 Yeah.

00:56:32.520 You know what I mean?

00:56:33.060 And then you have to believe, you know, I have something unique.

00:56:36.920 I mean, honestly, it's intimidating sitting with you guys because you're like man's man.

00:56:42.320 I'm not.

00:56:42.860 I have no skills whatsoever.

00:56:45.140 I am, I am food.

00:56:46.720 The apocalypse happens.

00:56:48.240 I'm dinner.

00:56:49.140 Come find us.

00:56:49.800 Okay.

00:56:50.180 Yeah.

00:56:50.640 I am dinner.

00:56:51.440 The only skill I have, I could tell a good story.

00:56:54.080 You could tell a great storyteller.

00:56:55.160 So I can, we can sit around the fire.

00:56:56.620 I'll tell you stories, but eventually I'm going to be eaten.

00:56:59.800 Okay.

00:57:00.480 We've already heard that story.

00:57:01.860 Let's eat it.

00:57:03.000 Let's eat it.

00:57:04.620 Don't run out of stories.

00:57:05.780 Don't run out of stories.

00:57:07.500 Yeah.

00:57:08.120 I know that.

00:57:09.340 Problem is you're too honest.

00:57:10.180 You can't make them up either.

00:57:12.260 Well, if you're going to eat me, I might.

00:57:13.820 I might, but you know, one of the things that, you know, you just have to know who you are,

00:57:22.240 what you're capable of, et cetera, et cetera.

00:57:23.700 But the thing I like about you guys is the, the idea of just figuring it out.

00:57:35.840 Yeah.

00:57:36.460 You can do it.

00:57:38.540 You don't need a fancy, you know, degree from.

00:57:43.500 Or a title or anything.

00:57:44.640 Or a title.

00:57:44.900 It's garbage.

00:57:45.720 That's all garbage and meaningless.

00:57:47.600 Um, and that you, and that you guys can fix things.

00:57:52.440 You can create things with your hands.

00:57:54.240 I can create things here, but I can't create anything.

00:57:57.120 Well, I can with art, but anything.

00:57:59.140 You're a good artist.

00:57:59.620 Yeah.

00:58:00.000 Yeah.

00:58:00.340 But, but, but I mean, actually fix.

00:58:03.180 Right.

00:58:03.320 Like I love, I love cars.

00:58:06.700 Love them.

00:58:07.200 I have a car collection.

00:58:09.000 I couldn't tell you the first thing about them other than I like this one because of this

00:58:15.160 and that, you know what I mean?

00:58:17.600 I can't fix an engine.

00:58:18.800 We're actually supposed to look at one of your cars down here.

00:58:20.620 It's got a wobble at around 50 miles an hour or something.

00:58:23.640 It's a 1934 race car.

00:58:26.580 Yeah.

00:58:26.920 And it's, I can't find anybody to fix the spokes.

00:58:29.720 Yeah.

00:58:30.260 You know, it's all the, which.

00:58:31.600 We're going to get it handled for you.

00:58:32.740 Okay.

00:58:33.120 Yeah.

00:58:33.420 You can't, and the thing is driving.

00:58:35.700 All over the place.

00:58:36.180 All over the place.

00:58:37.080 Yeah.

00:58:37.260 And you can't drive it because I'm just afraid it just.

00:58:39.900 Tires come off.

00:58:40.840 Yeah.

00:58:41.460 But it's, it's great.

00:58:42.260 You know, going back to the, you don't need a title.

00:58:44.000 It goes back to the email that I got yesterday from the state emergency manager going from

00:58:48.860 thinking like these guys are not fit for the job.

00:58:51.540 Who are these guys?

00:58:52.300 Again, a bunch of YouTubers with a helicopter, with a Blackhawk to then the, he closed out

00:58:56.420 the email by saying, I just want to let you know that you've changed a lot of minds here

00:59:00.720 on the local and state level on how we plan to approach working with private groups like

00:59:07.260 this in the future, because they've always just said, no team, I don't have a title, right?

00:59:10.480 It's team America.

00:59:11.240 It is.

00:59:11.540 And you know, it's really cool about the type of content that we're doing.

00:59:13.720 If you go watch our channel, most of it is, well, I won't say most of it, but a good

00:59:18.040 chunk of it is feel good stories where we're going out to solve problems for people.

00:59:21.340 We don't charge people.

00:59:22.040 Like we didn't charge the family for this recovery.

00:59:23.500 Can I ask, what did that cost?

00:59:26.060 I mean, if you factor in flight time and everything about 70 grand.

00:59:30.200 Yeah.

00:59:31.020 Best 70 grand you've ever spent.

00:59:32.080 Best 70 grand we've ever spent.

00:59:33.140 Absolutely.

00:59:33.740 I mean, we didn't even think twice and we don't about any of these things.

00:59:36.600 Anytime we can jump in and help.

00:59:38.000 I don't, I don't think about the failure option.

00:59:41.180 I don't think about what it costs.

00:59:42.360 I don't think about anything other than this is a problem that I really want to solve.

00:59:46.240 You have to really want to solve problems.

00:59:47.960 See, this is so, I'm so, all I'm thinking is I'm so frustrated because I, I can be the guy.

00:59:54.660 I, I come to people like you and go, Hey, can we work on some?

00:59:58.280 I can't actually, I would be great to be able to go.

01:00:00.700 So, but that's a crucial part of the team.

01:00:02.560 Yeah.

01:00:03.620 Huh?

01:00:04.220 The guy who has the idea is a crucial part of the team.

01:00:06.460 You can find a team that can do it, but the guy that comes and says this is the problem.

01:00:10.380 And you can do it.

01:00:11.500 We've got the team that makes it happen for us.

01:00:13.360 We, uh, without our team, I mean, we would be, dude, you know how hard it is to build

01:00:16.580 a good team, by the way.

01:00:17.560 Oh yeah.

01:00:17.940 I'm sure you got a massive operation here and to be able to get people that actually understand

01:00:23.140 your vision.

01:00:23.600 First of all, right.

01:00:24.300 Because we're not always good at explaining our vision to everybody.

01:00:26.920 We just have it and we want it to happen.

01:00:28.580 And then finding people that can first get it and then execute it.

01:00:31.100 And then the hardest part is staying consistent.

01:00:34.120 Having somebody to continue to do what they're supposed to do.

01:00:37.600 That's why, that's why I think Facebook fame, Twitter fame, all of this bogus fame is so fleeting.

01:00:45.880 It is easy to become famous.

01:00:48.940 Oh, look at TikTok.

01:00:49.760 Yeah.

01:00:50.060 It's easy, especially today.

01:00:52.280 Yeah.

01:00:53.040 It is impossible to hold that for a decade or two.

01:00:59.040 It's, it's the, the odds of that success become almost zero in the world of fame and fortune.

01:01:07.100 I found the power came in not wanting to hold the fame and not caring about that.

01:01:11.620 Yep.

01:01:12.040 That was just a by-product.

01:01:13.740 Isn't it the weirdest thing?

01:01:15.880 When you realize all the bogus things in life have zero value, how it's so easy to have those things.

01:01:26.300 You know what I mean?

01:01:27.000 Because it's, because you look at it like, well, of course it's a by-product.

01:01:30.580 Money is a by-product.

01:01:31.600 Most people go out to make money.

01:01:34.300 No, no, no.

01:01:35.300 Go out to change people's lives and the money will just be there.

01:01:39.960 Well, dude, what you don't, what people don't realize is this is a common theme throughout life.

01:01:43.520 In high school, you see a girl, you want that girl, you try so freaking hard.

01:01:48.320 She wants nothing to do with you.

01:01:49.440 Yeah.

01:01:49.580 The day that you just don't care anymore is the day where all of a sudden girls are just all over you.

01:01:54.860 And it applies to everything.

01:01:56.720 When you are so focused.

01:01:57.320 I was going to say, apply that to other things because that's never happened to me.

01:02:00.380 I cannot care about girls and they're never all over me.

01:02:03.260 It's when you release attachment from the outcome and focus on the process and get really good at the process and enjoy the process.

01:02:11.080 And wow, things just come together.

01:02:13.380 I know.

01:02:13.740 And dude, it happens on every level, all the way from girls in high school, all the way up to pulling bodies off the mountains in a helicopter that I have no business owning.

01:02:22.260 I mean, if you look at where I came from and who I am and what I've done, I have no business doing the things that I'm doing.

01:02:26.900 Dave has no business doing the things that he's doing with us.

01:02:29.700 I don't know about you, Dave.

01:02:31.080 I mean, I think you're probably.

01:02:32.880 You're welcome.

01:02:33.780 He's the ultimate golden retriever friend.

01:02:36.600 I mean, you are just, I mean, first of all, pipe down a little bit.

01:02:40.480 Give this guy a chance to say a word.

01:02:42.660 You know what I mean?

01:02:44.200 Can't you just feel his energy, though?

01:02:45.740 Yeah, I can.

01:02:46.460 Literally just a glowing ball of energy.

01:02:49.580 I mean, it's funny.

01:02:52.040 Dave has this just way with people.

01:02:54.800 People love him.

01:02:56.340 We took a flight from Salt Lake City to Cedar City once.

01:02:58.740 And any time we get on, put on a flight and Dave gets put next to somebody, he knows our whole life story pretty quickly.

01:03:04.160 This time was exceptionally aggressive.

01:03:06.800 Before we even landed in Cedar, he had this middle-aged woman sobbing on his shoulder.

01:03:12.280 Just, I'm talking full-blown, like, letting it all out.

01:03:15.480 Full therapy session.

01:03:17.120 And David sat next to her for 30 minutes.

01:03:18.740 She got into her divorce.

01:03:19.800 She got into her life problems because it's just this warm, safe place for people to just feel it.

01:03:24.760 To feel like somebody actually cares because he actually cares.

01:03:27.860 The difference between him and somebody else is Dave actually genuinely still thinks about that lady.

01:03:34.420 He still wonders about her and her problems.

01:03:36.800 And you can tell.

01:03:37.740 It's authenticity, right?

01:03:39.780 So there's a good yin and a yang here because I care, but I also have a really wild ADD.

01:03:44.840 And so I can only care until I see the next squirrel.

01:03:47.280 And then it's like on to the next, on to the next.

01:03:48.900 So, like I said, I go find the fruit tree, Dave, make sure that it's not true.

01:03:52.700 And I talk too much.

01:03:56.160 And becoming famous, right, in the world of TV.

01:03:59.780 We go to these events and stuff like that.

01:04:01.440 And I'm like, my social battery gets drained really quick, really quickly.

01:04:05.640 I don't do well with small talking.

01:04:07.780 So I'm like, hello, thank you, see you later, goodbye.

01:04:09.800 I look back and we're always like, Dave, come on, dude.

01:04:12.320 Come on.

01:04:12.860 Like, you're holding up the line.

01:04:14.120 Let's go.

01:04:14.500 Let's go.

01:04:14.700 Because he's back there getting to know everybody's life story.

01:04:17.780 So it's cool.

01:04:18.320 It's different, though, because I hate small talk.

01:04:21.380 I hate small talk.

01:04:22.180 Yeah.

01:04:22.460 But when you get into a crowd that know you and you get the first opportunity to get to

01:04:30.000 know them, because they have you at a disadvantage.

01:04:34.620 They know everything about you.

01:04:35.960 Right.

01:04:36.260 You know nothing about them.

01:04:37.760 Yeah.

01:04:38.100 And so they'll open up and tell you real things that small talk never happened.

01:04:43.760 Yeah.

01:04:43.900 But when they start telling you real things, I'm the same way.

01:04:46.840 You put me in a party.

01:04:48.080 I was up at the inauguration.

01:04:49.960 Mm-hmm.

01:04:50.440 Oh, I bet that's it.

01:04:51.180 I hated it.

01:04:51.860 Yeah, that's it.

01:04:52.540 I hated every second of it.

01:04:54.080 Couldn't get out fast enough.

01:04:55.420 But you put me in a room with people, my listeners, or, you know.

01:05:00.080 And you get to learn their story.

01:05:01.780 I'm just listening to them the whole time.

01:05:03.760 Just I'm fascinated by it.

01:05:05.640 Is that what you feel?

01:05:06.420 I love it.

01:05:06.960 Yeah.

01:05:07.100 I love hearing people's story, where they came from, how they got there, and then what

01:05:10.900 we can do for them sometimes.

01:05:12.440 It's just pretty cool.

01:05:12.960 But I think it's because they know you, they'll get past all that small talk fast.

01:05:17.780 Right.

01:05:18.280 You know?

01:05:18.800 You ever noticed when you're having a conversation with somebody who's starstruck, and you're

01:05:23.320 talking to them, and you feel like it's just going straight through them?

01:05:25.380 Yeah.

01:05:26.200 Their eyes are glazed over.

01:05:27.680 Yeah.

01:05:27.860 You ask them a question or say something to them, and they just go on to tell you something

01:05:31.620 they love about what you did in the past, or I was a big fan of this, a big fan of that.

01:05:35.140 That really jaded me for a long time.

01:05:37.460 And it's taken me, I'm still working on getting through that.

01:05:39.920 I feel bad for those people, though.

01:05:40.980 I always feel bad.

01:05:41.800 Me too.

01:05:42.200 For people who just want the selfie, because everybody wants a selfie.

01:05:45.300 You know?

01:05:45.480 It's just that thing.

01:05:47.600 Because I'm like, we could have spent that time connecting.

01:05:51.680 Yeah.

01:05:51.860 And I feel bad for the people who are starstruck, because I can guarantee you, they walk away

01:05:58.900 going, I'm so stupid.

01:06:00.100 Yeah, why did I say that?

01:06:00.780 You know what I mean?

01:06:01.220 Yeah.

01:06:01.400 And it's just a natural thing sometimes to get that.

01:06:05.160 I love to just grab those people and be like, just breathe.

01:06:07.520 Yeah, breathe.

01:06:08.220 We're just normal people.

01:06:09.300 Yeah, he could break them down in seconds, where I can't get through to those people.

01:06:13.080 Hug them.

01:06:13.660 Yeah.

01:06:14.300 Hug them.

01:06:14.940 But he'll hug them both physically and emotionally.

01:06:17.600 Yeah, yeah.

01:06:18.000 They just feel safe with him, and it's a gift, man.

01:06:20.540 I kind of want to hug him now.

01:06:22.100 I mean, he's the guy you want to be with at the end of the world.

01:06:27.080 Can I change the subject dramatically here?

01:06:30.460 I am a, I collect watches, I collect cars, and I collect, I collect them, I collect mechanical

01:06:38.480 things.

01:06:39.140 Yeah.

01:06:39.780 I like things that have been made by hand and are mechanical.

01:06:45.160 I noticed that out there.

01:06:46.280 You got a lot of cool stuff out there.

01:06:47.840 Yeah, yeah.

01:06:48.260 Yeah.

01:06:49.080 And because it says something about the human spirit, it says something about somebody who

01:06:56.580 is just taking two years to make that, you know what I mean?

01:07:01.680 Right.

01:07:05.320 Where do you guys stand on the whole, I know you own an electric truck company.

01:07:11.080 Where do you stand on the whole EV thing?

01:07:12.800 I don't think those are cars.

01:07:13.940 So, interesting question.

01:07:16.980 And I'm currently going through my EV conversion slash baptism by fire, I guess, because obviously

01:07:26.500 the Diesel Brothers got no business playing with EVs, right?

01:07:29.180 Right.

01:07:29.260 And then all of a sudden I'm promoting an EV company, who legally I can't say the name

01:07:34.740 of.

01:07:34.920 We had a good separation agreement.

01:07:36.080 It's good.

01:07:36.400 It's better now.

01:07:37.180 But I own a bunch of EV assets, including a truck called the Badger, and an electric wave

01:07:41.640 runner program, and an electric power source program.

01:07:43.700 And the reason why is because I truly believed in the founder of this company.

01:07:48.180 You know, he used to advertise, he used to advertise U-Pillar, Trevor Milton.

01:07:51.920 Oh, yeah.

01:07:52.280 So, Trevor's a good friend of mine, just great, great, like one of the best people I know.

01:07:57.460 By the way, have you looked into his story?

01:07:59.380 He got absolutely railroaded by the Southern District of New York.

01:08:03.400 One of the worst.

01:08:04.180 Southern District of New York.

01:08:05.700 If you're, just don't go to New York.

01:08:07.740 He never went to New York.

01:08:09.700 He never went to New York.

01:08:10.640 He was running this big company, took it public in 2020.

01:08:13.580 And they came after him with this, the Hindenburg Research Group, the short selling firm, came

01:08:19.840 after him with these wild claims, many of which weren't true.

01:08:23.340 And literally, I watched as the government and these private organizations that saw billions

01:08:30.640 of dollars we had, just completely destroyed his life.

01:08:35.180 And, but now, can't speak too soon, but there's some vindication coming.

01:08:38.620 Good.

01:08:38.980 And it's going to be glorious.

01:08:40.500 Good, good, good.

01:08:41.080 But yeah, Trevor actually wanted me to say hello, because back in his U-pillar days of

01:08:44.940 when he used to advertise with you, had that great relationship.

01:08:48.240 But I got into EV through him because I believed in him.

01:08:51.320 I've never really been too fascinated by EV in general.

01:08:53.760 But once I got into it, I started learning about it and understanding there's a lot of

01:08:57.080 cool things about an EV.

01:08:58.940 I would own a Tesla, but because I believe in Elon Musk.

01:09:03.000 Exactly.

01:09:03.560 Same concept.

01:09:04.480 Same reason I got into the world of EV.

01:09:05.840 So I bought a Cybertruck.

01:09:07.080 We kind of put our electric business on the, just kind of back burner for now, just because

01:09:12.640 the economy changed, EV started the tank.

01:09:14.980 There was no reason for us to, dude, when we launched this electric truck, the Badger,

01:09:18.780 we sold $450 million worth of trucks in our presale in like two months based off of a rendering.

01:09:25.620 So I was like, okay, we're onto something.

01:09:26.960 This is a good business.

01:09:28.060 And so I wanted to like experience an EV, try it out, see what it was all about.

01:09:31.780 Cybertruck came out.

01:09:32.380 I thought it was a joke.

01:09:33.320 I literally thought Elon was trolling us for about a year.

01:09:36.000 Yeah.

01:09:36.460 It's a great, great truck.

01:09:38.200 Eventually he's going to come out with the actual design and we're going to see what it

01:09:40.500 is.

01:09:40.660 Well, then he released the actual truck.

01:09:42.160 And so I was like, I'm going to buy one of those and beat the crap out of it and create

01:09:45.640 content.

01:09:46.140 It's going to be funny.

01:09:46.900 And everyone's going to see it.

01:09:48.260 So I bought it, went and picked it up.

01:09:49.740 I'm in love with it.

01:09:50.500 Drove it home and I was like, I kind of like this thing.

01:09:52.700 This is really nice because I go from a world of driving big trucks all the time.

01:09:56.820 You get in the Tesla Cybertruck and it's silent.

01:09:59.560 Everything works.

01:10:00.880 Everything's seamless.

01:10:01.720 Everything's comfortable.

01:10:02.800 The acceleration is insane.

01:10:04.160 It's like a party favor.

01:10:05.120 I know when you take it and you get people in it for the first time, my kids still love

01:10:08.040 riding on this truck.

01:10:08.760 It's probably the longest I've owned a truck and I bought it in April.

01:10:13.460 So I'm coming up on a year here and I'd planned on owning it for about a month.

01:10:17.420 I was going to destroy it.

01:10:18.300 Well, I fell in love with driving it because it's just easy, just easy.

01:10:22.740 But, you know, I thought I'll keep this truck forever.

01:10:25.580 My kids love it.

01:10:26.140 Everybody loves it.

01:10:26.680 It's fun.

01:10:27.480 It's like it was designed by a kid in Minecraft.

01:10:30.080 It's the vehicle that we all drew when we were little kids.

01:10:32.700 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:10:33.120 And then it became an actual vehicle.

01:10:34.300 But all the function and features are insane.

01:10:36.460 It's an incredibly capable truck.

01:10:38.120 It's a lot of fun to drive.

01:10:39.680 But I actually caught myself a couple months ago driving home just kind of annoyed.

01:10:43.980 And I didn't know why I was because I'd had a great day.

01:10:45.940 Everything was fine.

01:10:47.100 I just wasn't thrilled.

01:10:48.240 I wasn't feeling like exhilarated.

01:10:50.020 I don't feel like a man, I guess you could say.

01:10:51.900 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:10:52.680 And then I realized that the truck I was driving sounded like a vacuum cleaner.

01:10:56.900 And I really, at that moment, thought, I need some horsepower.

01:11:01.500 I need a mechanical thing in front of me that I can kind of tweak and modulate and have fun with.

01:11:07.500 Is that when you came home with a 12-valve the next day?

01:11:08.960 Yeah, literally, I took it home and I parked it and I thought, I need to get back in a truck.

01:11:16.220 And we own 300 vehicles, all the way from heavy rescue equipment to bulldozers to all kinds of different trucks, classic cars, you name it.

01:11:24.420 We've got one of everything.

01:11:25.900 And I just realized that day that I was like, I don't want to daily drive this anymore because I need, I don't want easy all the time.

01:11:32.300 I want real and raw.

01:11:34.540 And so I went out and bought a 1995 Dodge Cummins old farm truck and started daily driving it.

01:11:40.360 And instantly, I caught myself driving home the next day just like smiling.

01:11:44.200 And the windows barely worked and the dash was cracked and I was shifting gears and I was having real time of my life, man.

01:11:50.260 So my daughter, she's 13.

01:11:52.280 She's my oldest.

01:11:53.160 And I'm really big on making sure that my kids know how to do everything by the time it's time for them to do stuff.

01:11:58.700 So I started teaching my daughter how to drive and I thought, you know what, what better vehicle to teach her how to drive?

01:12:04.520 Because most people don't know how to drive stick shift anymore.

01:12:06.840 You drive stick.

01:12:07.600 I'm assuming you've got a good car collection.

01:12:09.740 How many people you know that don't drive a stick, right?

01:12:11.840 So I put my daughter in this five-speed 12-valve Cummins and I've always tried to teach people that when you drive a standard, you got to, it's like a teeter-totter.

01:12:19.760 You release the clutch, push the gash at the same time.

01:12:22.880 Nobody ever really gets it.

01:12:24.540 I'm telling my daughter how to drive and I don't give her that example yet.

01:12:26.880 And she goes, oh, dad, it's kind of like, it's kind of like this, right?

01:12:29.540 And I was like, oh, and then she lets the clutch out first try.

01:12:34.060 Beautiful.

01:12:34.780 Start shifting gears.

01:12:35.820 I'm like, let's go to a hill.

01:12:37.020 Stop on a hill.

01:12:37.720 Start on the hill.

01:12:38.300 And she just nailed it, dude.

01:12:39.540 My dad taught me on the hills of Seattle.

01:12:43.980 Wow.

01:12:44.660 And so he said, take a right here.

01:12:47.780 And I'm taking a right and we're driving up.

01:12:49.560 And he's like, okay, you're going to have to hold this thing in compression.

01:12:54.280 Now there's cars behind me.

01:12:55.620 And I'm like, dad, I just got into the car.

01:12:58.200 You learned that really quickly.

01:13:00.920 You learned that quickly.

01:13:01.460 That's funny.

01:13:01.900 I learned how to drive a semi truck on the hills of San Francisco.

01:13:04.940 My friend's supercross race team was stuck there.

01:13:08.820 The semi was there.

01:13:09.780 Driver wasn't available.

01:13:10.600 And he's like, hey, we got to get this truck out of here.

01:13:12.100 I was like, I can do it.

01:13:12.980 Well, I'd never driven a semi, but I told him that I had.

01:13:15.360 So I get in this semi, full big rig with a race trailer, like the biggest truck you can get.

01:13:19.680 And there I go up and down the hills of San Francisco, just fake it till you make it figured

01:13:24.300 it out.

01:13:24.680 And I, and I got it done.

01:13:25.680 But man, sometimes, sometimes it's best to just get thrown like way in the deep end, as

01:13:30.500 long as you can do it in a way that like, you know, you can manage it.

01:13:32.840 Some people don't survive that.

01:13:33.740 But if you have the mentality that I do, which is failure, maybe failure is an option, but

01:13:40.080 I don't care about it.

01:13:41.080 Yeah.

01:13:41.260 I don't look about it.

01:13:42.120 I don't, I don't think about it.

01:13:43.220 I don't do anything with the failure.

01:13:44.340 I just learn from it, learn from it and then move on.

01:13:46.640 Yeah.

01:13:46.780 I don't give it more than a couple of seconds of acknowledgement.

01:13:49.340 And that's, that's honestly kind of how we've approached everything.

01:13:51.960 Just failure may happen, but I'm not going to think about it.

01:13:54.920 And if it does happen, just, you know, it is what it is, but here's what I really want.

01:13:58.800 I'm going to do whatever it takes to get to this solution.

01:14:01.020 And so it's a long way of saying EVs are cool, but I don't think they've got, they've got

01:14:06.000 a place.

01:14:06.840 If they want to go to San Francisco, jump in a way home.

01:14:08.080 I think people are going to get really pissed off in the years to come when, because you

01:14:13.620 can't fix it.

01:14:14.780 You can't fix it.

01:14:15.520 That's going to be the biggest issue.

01:14:16.980 When, when that thing comes down and you can't fix it, nobody can fix it.

01:14:20.940 And when you don't have, when you have to replace the batteries, people are going to

01:14:26.080 be, I think they're going to be pissed.

01:14:28.540 Look at your old iPhones, your old phone.

01:14:30.480 I got a cabinet full of old iPhones.

01:14:32.460 I don't know what to do with, I'm not going to go put a new battery in them.

01:14:34.920 I don't know how to work on them.

01:14:36.160 They're just throwaways.

01:14:37.300 Is that what an EV is going to be?

01:14:38.720 They're essentially the same thing.

01:14:39.880 It's a big sealed unit that you can't really touch.

01:14:42.680 So, and where do they go?

01:14:43.680 I mean, it's just so bad.

01:14:44.880 Yeah.

01:14:45.100 It's so bad.

01:14:45.740 I don't know what's going to happen with that world.

01:14:47.240 I'm glad that the hype settled.

01:14:49.660 Yeah.

01:14:50.060 And the bubble that was building kind of had to pop eventually.

01:14:53.540 But man, at the end of the day, there's no replacement for displacement, which is the

01:14:58.140 bigger the engine.

01:14:59.760 So great.

01:15:00.460 The more you have available and the more you just feel it.

01:15:02.940 Yeah.

01:15:03.440 And I mean, that's kind of how we do everything.

01:15:06.900 Bigger is better for the most part.

01:15:09.200 Usually we're always looking for the bigger, better thing in a sustainable way.

01:15:13.560 Yeah.

01:15:13.760 You can't always be chasing, chasing, chasing, because then you find yourself not gratified.

01:15:17.360 That's one thing I've learned.

01:15:18.340 I think from my mid thirties, I had a moment where I was like, I should start enjoying

01:15:23.120 things a little bit more.

01:15:25.240 Good for you.

01:15:25.720 It took me until my fifties.

01:15:26.920 Yeah.

01:15:27.400 Isn't it a great moment though?

01:15:28.600 It is.

01:15:29.040 When you start to actually just slow down and, and, and there's a lot of moments where

01:15:33.020 we have really cool things that we do together and we stop and we're like, dude, this is

01:15:36.620 pretty cool.

01:15:37.080 This is really cool.

01:15:38.200 Like we drove monster trucks for a living for three or four years and like going to stadium

01:15:41.900 shows.

01:15:42.240 And I set a world record on live TV, jumping over a flying airplane.

01:15:45.120 I know.

01:15:45.600 The problem is people get in that mode where there's like more, more, more, more, more.

01:15:50.140 If you don't stop and smell the roses, which sounds so cliche, but man, there's really

01:15:53.880 power to that.

01:15:54.560 I think people could find a lot of happiness in just stopping and enjoying the moment.

01:15:59.040 I had a good friend, John Huntsman senior, and, uh, we were walking on, and on his mountain.

01:16:07.400 Uh, and, uh, he said to me, you know, he was on the, you know, most, the richest people

01:16:13.560 in the world list forever.

01:16:14.940 Right.

01:16:15.780 And, uh, he said, let me ask you a question.

01:16:19.260 How much is enough?

01:16:21.380 And I said, what do you mean?

01:16:24.460 And he said, what's the number that you'll go, that's enough.

01:16:31.100 I've made it.

01:16:32.360 You might make more over it, but what's that number?

01:16:35.580 And I said, I, I, I don't know.

01:16:38.600 And he said, find it or you will never be satisfied.

01:16:45.220 A hundred percent.

01:16:45.900 I couldn't agree with that anymore.

01:16:47.120 And I have found that I can do way more and be way happier and feel way more fulfilled

01:16:53.520 doing a lot more with less than trying to constantly be in that pursuit of more, more,

01:16:59.300 more, more, more.

01:16:59.860 Because if you do, like you said, if you don't have that number, fame and fortune is, is the

01:17:03.740 worst.

01:17:04.260 It is.

01:17:04.640 There's literally nothing.

01:17:05.700 There's, it's the most disgusting cancer that people want to catch.

01:17:11.540 People think that when, if you're rich, your problems go away.

01:17:15.640 No, they're just more expensive.

01:17:17.620 They're way bigger.

01:17:17.980 They're just bigger problems.

01:17:19.580 Way bigger.

01:17:19.980 Yeah.

01:17:20.460 A hundred percent.

01:17:21.080 And that's the, that's more money, more problems.

01:17:22.640 Right.

01:17:22.880 I mean, that's when I heard that one was a little.

01:17:24.500 I mean, nobody feels bad for you, but, but it's true.

01:17:26.640 And that's the worst part.

01:17:27.220 Yeah, I know.

01:17:27.540 It's because nobody feels bad.

01:17:28.600 Nobody has any sympathy on you because I, he's just a dumb rich guy that you figure it

01:17:33.000 out.

01:17:33.140 It's like, no, like.

01:17:34.060 But I wasn't really that dumb.

01:17:35.840 Exactly.

01:17:36.760 Yeah, man.

01:17:37.200 It's a.

01:17:37.740 Yeah, I know.

01:17:38.280 You learn a lot and if you actually take a second to the, to internalize those lessons

01:17:43.660 and look back where you came from, there's a lot of power in that.

01:17:47.820 There's a lot of.

01:17:48.560 And to realize in some ways you also win the lottery.

01:17:51.600 For sure.

01:17:52.180 You know, there's, there's a lot of, there's a lot of skill, a lot of things you have to

01:17:55.700 do, but also right time, right place.

01:17:57.960 Oh, I think we're like 90% luck.

01:18:00.360 Just right time, right place.

01:18:01.640 And I believe I'm about 90% luck too.

01:18:04.640 Yeah.

01:18:04.940 Yeah.

01:18:05.160 But I feel like luck is made by those who are pursuing something, pursuing something

01:18:12.080 and too dumb.

01:18:13.120 Here's the thing.

01:18:13.760 I've always told people that I'm too dumb to calculate risk.

01:18:16.380 I don't think I'm dumb, but I like to tell myself that I'm too dumb to calculate risk

01:18:19.940 because then that, that puts me in a world where I don't ever look at failure as like

01:18:25.320 I was going back to the, you know, the failure concept for me, it's always been my worst case

01:18:28.300 scenario is never that bad.

01:18:29.780 No.

01:18:30.720 It's never that bad.

01:18:31.580 I've been, I've been rich.

01:18:32.740 I've been poor.

01:18:33.460 Right.

01:18:33.660 I've been rich again.

01:18:35.020 I'll probably be poor again at some point.

01:18:37.220 Oh, well, you'll figure it out.

01:18:38.760 You'll figure it out.

01:18:39.860 If you're the type of person that can figure it out and not hang your hat on the final achievement,

01:18:45.040 like there is no number for you.

01:18:47.160 There is no amount of money that, that is going to click.

01:18:49.220 And you're going to say, I'm happy.

01:18:50.500 It's going to become about fulfillment experiences.

01:18:53.340 For me, it's become a lot about experiences.

01:18:54.960 It will become only about your children.

01:19:00.360 The older you get, it will really become.

01:19:02.640 How many kids do you have?

01:19:03.500 I have four.

01:19:04.920 And every day, you know, I had a, they thought I had a blood clot about three weeks ago.

01:19:12.340 And so when that happens and you're trying to be cool for everybody else who's like, he's got a blood clot.

01:19:17.440 He might, you know, stroke out.

01:19:19.560 And you're like, ah, it's nothing.

01:19:20.500 But then when you're there in the hospital by yourself, you realize I could, I could stroke out in the next minute.

01:19:33.620 And it clarifies an awful lot of stuff.

01:19:38.440 And just really, I had a really hard time for, for a while after it.

01:19:46.420 I'm still going through it, but it's.

01:19:50.500 It's so true.

01:19:52.460 Nobody ever says, I wish I would have done more work, more this, had more even experiences in different places.

01:20:03.280 All you want and all you regret are the time that you had or didn't make for your kids and family.

01:20:11.580 Yeah.

01:20:11.740 That's it.

01:20:12.960 That's it.

01:20:13.560 And I'm at a place in my life to where I'm, I just, I don't have to do it anymore.

01:20:23.620 Right.

01:20:24.000 And I don't, I don't necessarily think it's necessary to do anymore.

01:20:29.660 I just don't know.

01:20:30.840 But I know that I cannot waste another second with my kids.

01:20:37.060 Right.

01:20:38.340 You can't waste another second with your kids, but you also can't waste another second using your platform and what you have to help other people.

01:20:45.740 I mean, Mercury, Mercury one, right?

01:20:47.880 The, the, the service side of what you do.

01:20:49.920 You know, we were talking with you guys during the hurricane and understanding kind of your reach and what you guys are doing.

01:20:53.900 You've taken it to such a large scale and you guys are doing like such incredible missions.

01:20:58.300 How much of your fulfillment comes from that?

01:21:01.440 How much, how much of that drives you?

01:21:03.440 Oh, um, between when I meet listeners and I hear the impact on real things, not like, Hey, I understand what's happening with Donald Trump.

01:21:13.640 But the real things that have impacted their life when I know, because I'm not, all I'm doing is saying, Hey, we should do this.

01:21:23.380 And the listeners do it.

01:21:25.640 It's incredible.

01:21:26.720 You know, we have raised and given away over a quarter of a billion dollars in the last 10 years.

01:21:33.520 Wow.

01:21:33.780 Nobody even knows that.

01:21:35.220 And there were no corporate checks.

01:21:36.880 It's mostly in 50 and a hundred dollar bills.

01:21:40.200 Okay.

01:21:40.360 Quarter of a billion dollars.

01:21:42.660 That's a lot of people.

01:21:43.580 That's a lot of people.

01:21:45.220 And to see that and to see what comes of that, that's probably the most important and least known part of my work.

01:21:53.840 That's probably the most, it is the most satisfying and the most important part.

01:22:00.220 And you guys, I'm sure feel that way about what you guys do.

01:22:03.340 We're lucky because the genre of doing good for people has finally become a content genre that people like and embrace and want more of.

01:22:11.220 And so the more good we do, the more traction we get.

01:22:16.220 So it's like this, I almost feel selfish sometimes.

01:22:18.740 Oh, I know.

01:22:19.400 Because you're out helping so many people and it's like, man, it just keeps on coming back tenfold.

01:22:23.340 Every time I do something for somebody.

01:22:25.060 Isn't it weird?

01:22:25.820 Because, you know, in our faith, you know, you're supposed to care about everybody and blah, blah, blah.

01:22:30.180 And I got to go check my neighbors, you know, all that.

01:22:32.980 I'm not built that way.

01:22:34.260 No.

01:22:34.540 Okay.

01:22:34.860 I'm not built to where I want to go over and, you know, see how everybody's doing.

01:22:41.460 And they're not the model visiting teacher.

01:22:43.900 No, I try.

01:22:45.440 But no, I'm not the, I just, but every time I do it, every time I serve, every time, I always drive places going, and I drive home going, why don't I do that all the time?

01:23:00.900 It's so weird how humans are built.

01:23:04.060 We are built to serve.

01:23:06.260 Right.

01:23:06.780 But for some reason, we have this weird thing in us.

01:23:09.920 We're like, I got other things to do.

01:23:12.620 That's the ego.

01:23:13.500 Yeah.

01:23:13.880 The ego is constantly, I mean, once you understand what your ego is and how to manage it, life becomes much easier.

01:23:19.840 Yeah.

01:23:20.580 Because you realize that it makes a lot of decisions for you just on autopilot.

01:23:23.880 Yeah.

01:23:24.060 Your subconscious is constantly worrying about you, you, you, you, you.

01:23:27.020 But the more you worry about them, them, them, them, them, all of a sudden, like we're going back to what we said earlier, just life becomes more of a flow state.

01:23:35.180 You're less forced and more just abundance everywhere you look.

01:23:39.960 Yeah.

01:23:40.140 And that's kind of the way that we, we approach everything is we do the right thing.

01:23:44.480 We help the right people.

01:23:45.880 We worry about other people other than ourselves.

01:23:48.800 We don't have to look way down the road of what this is going to bring to us.

01:23:52.000 We just know that it's going to work out.

01:23:53.580 And sometimes that's the best.

01:23:55.060 I think that's, I think that's the real definition of faith.

01:23:59.920 Because even when you're in the struggles, you're, you're asking, what am I supposed to learn from this?

01:24:08.340 Where is this?

01:24:09.580 I don't need to know where exactly, but where I know this is going to come, become very valuable to me someplace down the road.

01:24:17.780 Yeah.

01:24:17.900 So even when you're struggling, you have that faith of, there is no bad.

01:24:23.420 It's all going to be used for good.

01:24:25.760 Yep.

01:24:26.200 And, you know, I did this and it didn't work out.

01:24:29.380 I helped this person.

01:24:30.320 They didn't, you know, whatever.

01:24:31.840 It doesn't matter.

01:24:33.300 It all will be used for good.

01:24:36.240 It's, God is the greatest carpenter.

01:24:39.880 Yeah.

01:24:40.100 So there's not a single cut that he cannot use.

01:24:46.880 There's, you know, I go in and I'm cutting everything wrong and I have to throw that away.

01:24:52.280 He takes the sod.

01:24:53.920 There's not a bit of waste with him.

01:24:56.720 It's amazing.

01:24:57.420 Great chess player too.

01:24:58.660 Because the moves that he's making that you're experiencing right now, you don't understand how that's going to benefit you a year, two, five down the road.

01:25:05.160 Yeah.

01:25:05.560 And then all of a sudden you look back and it's like, man, that blood clot opened my eyes.

01:25:09.000 And look at the time I spent with my kids, boom, boom, boom, all these different experiences.

01:25:13.280 Like, I just feel like you can find good in everything.

01:25:16.840 You can.

01:25:17.520 100%.

01:25:17.840 Even the worst of the worst.

01:25:19.260 You can find good in it.

01:25:20.480 It's just where you're looking and what you're focusing on.

01:25:23.540 Guys, I have to cut this off because you are exhausting me all the, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:25:30.700 It's been great to have you here.

01:25:31.920 I hope you're coming again.

01:25:32.460 I have one question for you before we go.

01:25:33.080 Yeah.

01:25:33.240 If you could have dinner with one person living or alive, or living or dead, who would it be?

01:25:39.000 I mean, except for the obvious of Christ.

01:25:42.880 I mean, take Christ out of the equation.

01:25:44.780 I don't know.

01:25:53.340 I mean, it might be, it might be somebody like Billy Graham, who I had dinner with.

01:26:06.260 Really?

01:26:06.500 But such a spiritual giant.

01:26:11.720 And I got to know him probably the last eight years of his life, where he was preparing to go to the other side.

01:26:20.840 And so he's just this font of wisdom and absolutely no fear and knew what he was responsible for and knew what God was responsible for.

01:26:40.120 I think I'd like to have dinner with him again.

01:26:42.420 That's really cool.

01:26:42.960 That's awesome.

01:26:43.380 Because he was one of the people who actually was who he claimed to be or appeared to be.

01:26:48.940 Oh, he was.

01:26:49.600 Yeah.

01:26:50.040 He was.

01:26:50.420 He was the...

01:26:51.160 Turns out that's rare, huh?

01:26:53.180 Crazy, isn't it?

01:26:54.120 Turns out.

01:26:54.740 Only because of fear, people just are afraid to be themselves.

01:26:57.200 Yeah.

01:26:57.840 That's cool.

01:26:58.700 All right.

01:26:59.100 Thank you for having us.

01:26:59.800 Thank you.

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Ep 244 ｜ From Reality TV To Deadly Rescue Missions ｜ Diesel Brothers ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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