The Glenn Beck Program - Ep 249 ｜ Why Everyone Should Be TERRIFIED of Former ESPN Host Sage Steele

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00:00:16.140 And now, a Blaze Media Podcast.

00:00:19.220 Today I'm talking to a woman who is one of my favorite people in the world.

00:00:25.560 She took on Disney. Nobody takes on Disney.

00:00:28.960 ESPN. She is one of the country's most loved broadcasters.

00:00:33.520 And if you're a sports fan, you absolutely know who she is because you watched her on ESPN for 16 years

00:00:37.920 until they made the mistake of punishing her for just saying,

00:00:41.580 I don't think I want to put that in my body.

00:00:44.080 Having a different opinion.

00:00:46.200 Plenty of sports anchors could speak their minds freely as long as they were woke, but not her.

00:00:51.960 She found a way to speak to the nation without them.

00:00:55.440 We are going to have a fascinating conversation.

00:00:57.620 Sports, faith, politics, taking on the mouse.

00:01:02.440 Welcome to one of my favorite people in the world, veteran anchor, mother of three,

00:01:07.620 host of the Sage Steele Show, Sage Steele.

00:01:10.980 How are you?

00:01:26.340 Fabulous.

00:01:26.820 It's so good to have you.

00:01:27.580 Thank you.

00:01:28.160 I'm honored to be here.

00:01:29.440 You've never been on my show.

00:01:30.760 No.

00:01:31.360 Isn't that crazy?

00:01:32.300 I know.

00:01:32.760 How is that possible?

00:01:33.580 I'm going to let the past be the past.

00:01:35.820 I know.

00:01:36.200 I'm not going to hold a grudge.

00:01:37.900 No.

00:01:38.380 It is an honor.

00:01:39.840 And I told you this.

00:01:41.480 I know you hear from everybody.

00:01:42.580 But you've inspired me more than you know.

00:01:46.000 So thank you.

00:01:46.660 That's really good.

00:01:47.260 Thank you.

00:01:47.800 You've inspired me and so many other people with what you did.

00:01:51.180 I mean, I don't want to dwell on this because everybody's told the story, but I think it's

00:01:56.260 important to set the table.

00:01:58.380 What you did in COVID and just standing up and even risking, I don't even know if you

00:02:06.680 knew that, but risking a job of standing up and saying, and when you, if I'm not mistaken,

00:02:12.700 that was your dream job for a long time, right?

00:02:15.300 It was.

00:02:16.520 I used to love Disney.

00:02:19.840 I know.

00:02:20.260 Walt wouldn't recognize it anymore.

00:02:22.940 They've just become this monstrous machine.

00:02:27.540 How much, what did that feel like?

00:02:31.420 I mean, when you, cause all you did at first, if I remember right, is you came out and you

00:02:35.600 were like, I took the jab and I didn't want to.

00:02:38.400 And you were right.

00:02:39.360 You didn't denigrate them a little bit.

00:02:42.300 That's arguable.

00:02:43.220 Maybe.

00:02:43.960 Okay.

00:02:45.580 I did it on an off day on a podcast.

00:02:49.400 Um, just, you know, yes, I, I had, I had no choice if I wanted to keep my job and I didn't

00:02:56.620 appreciate that to be forced to take a shot.

00:02:59.700 Um, and I had done enough homework just to know that there's a lot of questions about

00:03:03.800 it.

00:03:03.920 And so this is September of 2021.

00:03:06.180 And, um, you were one of the first publicly, weren't you?

00:03:10.460 I guess so, but I didn't mean to.

00:03:12.640 Yeah, no, I know.

00:03:13.560 I just, I had talked to my agent at the time and who had talked to people at ESPN.

00:03:18.760 They were saying she really doesn't want to do it.

00:03:20.720 And then I thought there were other treatments or vaccines that they were researching that

00:03:25.180 might be somewhat different.

00:03:26.960 Um, would you ask them to consider letting me wait six months?

00:03:31.520 I just didn't feel comfortable.

00:03:33.420 And my agent said, well, you know, you could get a religious exemption.

00:03:35.980 I'm like, but that's a lie.

00:03:37.880 This isn't about religion for me.

00:03:39.980 Um, well, you could get a medical, but well, that's a lie.

00:03:42.120 I like, I was trying to do it the right way.

00:03:44.580 I could have gotten a fake card.

00:03:46.000 Well, that was a lie.

00:03:46.780 And then I thought, well, then they'd really go after to make sure mine's right.

00:03:50.860 Because they knew I was hesitant.

00:03:52.360 So I just waited to the very last second and went and got the shot on the last possible

00:03:59.640 day in order to be fully vaccinated by September 30th, 2021.

00:04:04.700 And then went on a podcast.

00:04:05.820 And all I said was, cause I swear to you, this wasn't a prop.

00:04:09.660 It was warm and I had a short sleeve on it and the bandaid was on.

00:04:12.800 And I'd come straight from the shot to the podcast into yours that I gave in.

00:04:18.220 Right.

00:04:18.420 And I didn't remember.

00:04:19.480 And it was on Jay Cutler, the former quarterback, his, his brand new podcast.

00:04:23.400 And he said, um, what's the bandaid?

00:04:26.300 And I just was like, oops.

00:04:28.420 And, uh, and I said, I, I took it.

00:04:32.480 Um, but I, I think this is where I got in trouble.

00:04:35.480 I think it's sick and wrong for any company to force anyone to do something to their body

00:04:43.220 that they don't want to, but that is right.

00:04:45.880 Correct.

00:04:46.400 It is right.

00:04:47.520 At that moment, I guess people were more sensitive.

00:04:49.780 And I said, but I complied because I need my job and I love my job.

00:04:55.780 And I'm not surprised because it is a big global company, Disney, like many others that we're

00:05:00.260 forcing.

00:05:00.760 I said, I'm not surprised, but I'm upset.

00:05:02.800 But here we are and onward.

00:05:05.100 And that, that was it.

00:05:06.700 And what happened?

00:05:07.720 How fast did it take for you to get the phone call?

00:05:10.080 As soon as the podcast hit, uh, there were a couple other things that made some headlines

00:05:13.500 from the podcast that I apparently were, I wasn't allowed to say, um, opinions based on

00:05:18.520 my experiences as a woman in locker rooms for 25, 30 years.

00:05:22.460 And as a biracial woman, those, uh, topics around that got me in trouble, but, um, it

00:05:27.880 was day after it dropped and it's, it started off with, you know, your, uh, what you said

00:05:34.580 isn't going over well, um, at headquarters.

00:05:38.240 And I'm like, what are you talking about?

00:05:39.900 I like, I complied, you made me do this.

00:05:41.940 I did it.

00:05:42.280 I can have an opinion, but I followed the rules.

00:05:45.440 Um, and then it quickly went South and, um, I had to, I was given the choice to issue,

00:05:51.880 um, a formal apology, a statement, um, or I don't have a job.

00:05:57.720 I'd be fired and to be suspended with pay, but to be suspended.

00:06:02.440 Um, and I'll just for the context that for people who have through the years said, Oh,

00:06:06.720 well, you caved, you took the shot.

00:06:08.420 Yeah, I did.

00:06:09.240 I did.

00:06:09.900 I also, um, unfortunately had been recently divorced.

00:06:13.780 Um, and I was the sole, still am the sole, you know, provider, breadwinner for three

00:06:20.440 kids.

00:06:20.780 All of them are in college right now as we speak.

00:06:22.660 So when I say I needed that job, um, I needed that job and that's my responsibilities to those

00:06:27.640 kids.

00:06:27.980 So as much as I did break and I still, um, I'm disappointed in myself in some ways for

00:06:32.960 giving in to the mandate.

00:06:34.520 I, I had no choice for a different reason.

00:06:38.420 I, you know, I, I never forced anybody to take it.

00:06:42.520 I think that's, it's your body.

00:06:44.960 Yeah.

00:06:45.260 You know what I mean?

00:06:46.100 Um, but, uh, I almost took it because we were going over to the middle East and it was,

00:06:53.360 remember the Afghan thing and we were trying to save all these people.

00:06:58.140 And I didn't have to be there, but I wanted to be there and lead some things.

00:07:04.440 And we thought that the country wasn't going to let us in unless we got the jab.

00:07:09.740 Yeah.

00:07:10.180 And we all were sitting in a parking lot here in Dallas waiting for the attorney to say

00:07:17.800 you have to take it or not.

00:07:19.600 And I wrestled with that.

00:07:22.660 Um, and I'm so glad I didn't.

00:07:25.040 Do you, do you, I mean, from what you know now, does it freak you out at all that you

00:07:30.780 took that?

00:07:32.940 The only reason I can honestly say no is because the night before I wasn't sure I was going

00:07:39.960 to do it till I walked in the stupid little pharmacy at a grocery store in the middle of

00:07:45.780 nowhere, Connecticut.

00:07:46.880 The night before I went to bed in tears because I was like, if I don't do this, how am I going

00:07:51.180 to feed my kids?

00:07:51.840 How am I going to give my husband his alimony checks?

00:07:55.180 Like I real issues, real questions.

00:07:58.060 And I just, I went to bed and I just prayed for a sign.

00:08:01.940 And when I woke up the next morning and I got in the shower, I was crying still because

00:08:07.580 I'm like, what am I going to do?

00:08:10.100 And I opened my eyes and I haven't told this story often because it makes me cry.

00:08:14.680 Like, um, this was a house that I had done some renovations, but I still hadn't done

00:08:20.760 the bathroom and there was some ugly brownish marble tile on the other side of the glass

00:08:25.660 of the shower.

00:08:26.420 And I saw it.

00:08:27.220 And for the first time, after three years of living there for the first time, when I looked

00:08:29.960 at that one spot, I saw the outline of an angel in the marble, I'd looked at that 10,000 times.

00:08:38.380 And at that moment I realized I asked for a sign and I took that as you will be protected.

00:08:47.940 So I'd like to believe that what went in me that day was water.

00:08:54.000 I don't know, was not the vaccine.

00:08:56.360 I also had to keep my job, had to get a booster in order to, um, do my job and, um, cover the

00:09:02.920 masters as I always had.

00:09:06.260 And I knew I was risking it, but I, I, I felt I did have a choice, but in order to keep my

00:09:13.160 job, I felt I had no choice.

00:09:15.120 And I just had felt like, okay, God has taken care of me all this time.

00:09:19.140 And that was a sign to me that angel in the marble.

00:09:21.040 If you wouldn't have seen that, what decision would you have made?

00:09:27.620 I don't know.

00:09:29.240 I don't know.

00:09:30.960 I was this close to walking away and just, and just getting, going back to court and say,

00:09:38.080 I can't pay him all this money.

00:09:39.120 Like, I, I don't know, but I, I know that then this is the, maybe the coolest part.

00:09:45.260 Besides the angel in the, in the ugly marble.

00:09:48.480 I went into the pharmacy.

00:09:50.340 It sounds like a bad Hallmark movie.

00:09:54.040 Christmas with the angel in the ugly brown marble.

00:09:58.480 Who has brown tile marble or whatever.

00:10:01.080 When I sat down in the chair and the stupid grocery store pharmacy in the middle of nowhere,

00:10:05.860 Connecticut, the sweet, I don't, she probably wasn't a nurse, probably like, you know, like

00:10:10.400 me off the street, putting the shot in.

00:10:12.500 And she looked at me and she's like, are you okay?

00:10:14.560 Cause my eyes were red.

00:10:15.660 And I said, no, I'm being forced to take this, to keep my job.

00:10:21.280 And I'm afraid.

00:10:22.960 And this sweet woman looked at me, grabbed my hand and said, this is so wrong.

00:10:31.020 And I'm so sorry.

00:10:33.120 Wow.

00:10:33.480 And then she put it in my arm.

00:10:38.960 Something changed in me at that moment.

00:10:41.680 Like something in me, uh, anger, something changed.

00:10:48.040 And, um, I didn't, I don't think I knew it at the time, but, uh, I felt it.

00:10:55.340 Tell me what that means.

00:10:56.900 Anger.

00:10:58.000 How do you, like, they pushed me too far.

00:11:00.500 Okay.

00:11:01.440 As it's going in, as it was too late, it, it, it fired me up in ways that I think I'm

00:11:07.620 seeing today still.

00:11:08.700 My mom and I were like, whoa, but, um, something about her acknowledging how wrong it was to

00:11:15.800 this complete stranger as she did it, she needed a job too, right?

00:11:21.040 Like there's so many people who felt that it was wrong, but we're afraid to say it.

00:11:25.020 But then she saw me crying, but still doing it.

00:11:27.560 Um, I drove right home.

00:11:32.020 I sped home because I was late.

00:11:33.860 Cause I sat in the parking lot debating whether I was going to do it for way too long.

00:11:37.580 So I was late to get home to do Jay Cutler's podcast.

00:11:40.660 So I believe that like I was fired up that I was put into that position.

00:11:45.260 And so when I said what I said, um, I was holding back, but I meant it when I said, I

00:11:50.960 thought it was sick and scary because it is.

00:11:53.560 It changed so many people.

00:11:55.840 I mean, I remember being on the air, coming home from Christmas vacation, seeing what was

00:12:02.740 happening before anybody was really paying attention, seeing what was happening in China

00:12:06.880 and going on the air and saying, this is disturbing.

00:12:12.960 I don't know what it is yet, but this is disturbing.

00:12:15.480 These signs aren't good.

00:12:16.680 Then they started locking people up and everything else.

00:12:20.980 And I remember saying on the air, uh, don't fear the virus, fear what comes and what people

00:12:30.840 do because of the virus, uh, the changes that will happen.

00:12:34.960 And, but I said at the same time, but I can't imagine that we will ever do anything like

00:12:41.440 that in America.

00:12:42.280 We'd go crazy.

00:12:44.400 Well, I got the crazy part, right?

00:12:46.420 Yeah.

00:12:47.140 But just, I mean, I couldn't believe what we turned into and still in some ways are still

00:12:56.200 are.

00:12:56.600 It's sick.

00:12:58.360 And it is shocking, especially here, China.

00:13:01.240 You know, you can kind of understand.

00:13:03.220 Um, I remember I was thinking about this the other day about, you know, in order to go

00:13:08.320 to work, in order to go anywhere, you had to go to the fricking drive through and get a

00:13:16.100 swab up your nose to your brain.

00:13:18.440 Basically the things that we said yes to, we, all of us that said, said, said yes to, that's

00:13:26.820 what's so scary.

00:13:27.420 But I believe that was the beginning of us realizing, I think it was, I mean, RFK, he

00:13:35.900 changed, we didn't agree on any, he actually, one point I was on when I was hosting a show

00:13:41.880 on CNN because I disagree on the, uh, on the cures for climate change.

00:13:48.980 I can read a temperature gauge, you know, but I don't believe these, what they're planning

00:13:54.680 on doing is a good thing.

00:13:55.860 He actually said, you're a traitor and you should be tried for treason.

00:14:01.940 When I said to him, that's the only thing in the constitution that's clearly spelled

00:14:05.680 out.

00:14:05.960 That's the death penalty.

00:14:07.060 And he said, yes.

00:14:09.060 Right.

00:14:09.740 So I've never had a lot in common with RFK.

00:14:13.420 He came on the show and I said, you remember that time?

00:14:16.800 He said, oh yeah.

00:14:18.820 And he said, COVID changed me.

00:14:21.300 He said, I never thought, he said, I was too flippant and just, I just never thought we

00:14:27.260 would ever become the people like that.

00:14:31.100 And he said, when I saw COVID and what we were doing, I couldn't believe it.

00:14:37.160 And I want nothing to do with it.

00:14:38.940 I mean, that's a massive change.

00:14:41.520 Especially for Kennedy, for RFK, he was able to say stuff like that.

00:14:49.220 And basically the death penalty.

00:14:51.160 Yeah.

00:14:52.140 So if you agree, but you did, it wasn't just COVID finish what you, what happened in the

00:14:56.820 rest of that interview that got trouble for.

00:14:58.600 Well, the first and chronological order, the first thing was, um, women in sports and just

00:15:05.220 talking about how much it had evolved through the years.

00:15:07.780 I graduated from college in 1995.

00:15:09.340 And so I was always the only woman in the locker room always.

00:15:12.400 And then there were younger women coming along who I would, you know, I didn't have a female

00:15:17.260 role model or someone to take me under their wing in the locker rooms and to tell you how

00:15:20.800 to kind of manage that whole thing or dealing with all the coaches and traveling and what

00:15:24.860 that looks like.

00:15:25.940 And so, um, I tried to do that with women, um, along the way.

00:15:30.480 And I just saw how more and more women would come in the locker room, but then I'd look

00:15:36.060 and I'm like, what is, what is she wearing and why?

00:15:40.400 So I said, that's the one thing that's been disappointing is because when women, um, not

00:15:46.060 all, oh my gosh, of course, I think most are certainly very professional, but when you

00:15:49.980 go into a locker room or any business area, conference room, whatever, it does matter what

00:15:56.380 we're wearing as men too, but certainly as women.

00:15:58.320 And so when you go into those spaces and you're hanging out and stuff showing, and you're more

00:16:04.260 worried about like how sexy you look and how good you look, that takes away from your credibility

00:16:08.980 and all the women who've come ahead of you.

00:16:11.380 So I said, women, we are smart.

00:16:14.460 I have two daughters that are in college.

00:16:16.520 We talk about those a lot.

00:16:17.380 Women are so smart.

00:16:19.840 Let's not play dumb.

00:16:21.280 Like, well, oh, I felt uncomfortable because you know what?

00:16:24.640 If you're wearing that, I'm going to look at you and I like men, but like at the end

00:16:27.980 of the day, we know what we're wearing.

00:16:30.680 I'm just saying, be professional as you would anywhere else, not look like looking like you're

00:16:36.320 going to a nightclub.

00:16:37.400 So that turned into Sage deal believes women who dress that way.

00:16:41.360 Oh, deserve to be raped.

00:16:44.160 That's what headlines were.

00:16:45.220 That was nothing compared to Jay asked me about being biracial and why it's so important

00:16:52.600 to me.

00:16:53.720 If I'm asked to say yes, biracial, not just black.

00:16:58.020 So in other words, they wanted you to be more black.

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00:18:50.520 I told the story of what happened when I was on The View in 2014 with Barbara Walters

00:18:56.100 and Whoopi and Sherry Shepard and Jenny McCarthy.

00:18:58.740 That was the cast at the time.

00:19:01.080 And they said, hey, can we talk about you being biracial and how important it is to you?

00:19:04.420 I was like, sure.

00:19:05.100 So we get on there and it's live.

00:19:06.400 And Barbara Walters asked me, you know, about my background.

00:19:10.840 And then she said, so why don't you just identify as black?

00:19:16.020 And I said, well, because I'm not.

00:19:19.860 I mean, I'm both.

00:19:21.040 At that time, ironically, I found out later when I saw the tape behind me, they put up a

00:19:24.800 picture of my family, my black dad, my white mom, and my two brothers.

00:19:31.100 And hi, I'm both.

00:19:32.640 I'm actually 50% of each.

00:19:34.460 And I'm so proud of all of me.

00:19:37.000 Right?

00:19:37.520 Isn't that diversity?

00:19:38.440 Isn't that what we want and promote in this country?

00:19:41.560 So she said, well, 2014, well, the president says he's black and he's biracial too.

00:19:47.060 And she goes, what do you do when you fill out the census?

00:19:50.160 And I was like, I don't, I don't know.

00:19:52.300 I checked both or all of them or not.

00:19:53.680 I don't care, but I'm not going to exclude one.

00:19:55.900 And I said about Obama, I said, well, congratulations to the president.

00:20:00.680 I think it's fascinating that he was raised by his white mother and his white grandmother

00:20:07.280 and his black father, unfortunately, was nowhere to be found.

00:20:10.340 Like he wrote a book about it.

00:20:12.000 This is not breaking news.

00:20:12.980 Couldn't say that in 2014.

00:20:14.300 Couldn't say it anytime.

00:20:15.280 Right?

00:20:16.280 But I said, you do you.

00:20:18.700 Identify how you want.

00:20:20.540 I'm going to do me.

00:20:21.480 And I'm pretty sure that my white mom was there the day I was born.

00:20:26.300 And I'm so proud of all of me.

00:20:29.900 Why is that bad?

00:20:31.460 So you're telling me I'm not enough of this, but tomorrow you're going to say I'm not enough

00:20:34.700 of this.

00:20:35.020 Like I can't keep up.

00:20:35.980 This is me.

00:20:36.680 I feel like I represent so much of America where we're mixed race and it's beautiful.

00:20:41.380 So I it was actually not a big thing then in 2021 when I repeated the exact story on this

00:20:47.980 podcast.

00:20:48.800 It was Sage Steele hates black people and the sellout, the coon, all of the language that

00:20:54.500 I don't like to repeat.

00:20:55.420 Um, so that was the other big thing.

00:20:58.300 And that along with the Disney common is what got me shot down and canceled.

00:21:03.000 And the ironic thing is when they pulled me off the air and said, you must issue this

00:21:07.540 statement, um, or you're out of a job is what they told my agent, apparently not directly

00:21:12.820 to my face.

00:21:13.500 Um, I was sick, sicker than I've ever been in my life with COVID after of course, getting

00:21:21.980 the shot that was supposed to prevent me.

00:21:23.660 So I'm in bed, unable to breathe at times.

00:21:27.020 Like it was, it got me hard alone.

00:21:30.020 My kids were with their father for eight days.

00:21:32.660 I was alone.

00:21:33.120 I'd never been in a darker place in my life being canceled by every person I thought was

00:21:38.640 a friend, every network, every peer, every, everything, and all black people, not all

00:21:43.740 of course.

00:21:44.320 Yeah.

00:21:44.660 So, um, that was the beginning of my end, um, at ESPN, which was also the beginning of

00:21:51.980 a beautiful new beginning, like all of it, all of it.

00:21:55.640 But I look back and I still, um, I swear to you, I would not change a thing.

00:22:01.920 And, um, there will always be pain from that because.

00:22:08.640 Um, the only reason I stood up and sued later is because ESPN and Disney allowed all of

00:22:17.680 my peers who leaned to the left, who hated Trump, who loved Obama and loved everybody.

00:22:25.880 They could say whatever they wanted on ESPN platforms, live on an NBA show to talk about

00:22:31.520 Roe versus Wade being overturned while talking, instead of talking about basketball or the don't

00:22:35.820 say gay bill on a football basketball show.

00:22:38.120 So my point is just be consistent.

00:22:41.780 You cannot allow all of them to say whatever they, on ESPN platforms, nothing to do with

00:22:46.220 sports.

00:22:46.700 Well, I'm on a podcast on an off day talking about my experience as a biracial woman, my

00:22:51.240 experience with taking this shot and complying with your rules.

00:22:54.140 Especially when I can't comment on your experience because I'm a white cisgendered man and I can't

00:23:02.100 even relate to your, that's, I mean, that's, I can't comment on it.

00:23:05.520 They'll shut me down.

00:23:06.940 No way.

00:23:07.300 I can't have an opinion on anything.

00:23:09.720 Can't.

00:23:10.160 But then you, biracial, you should not have a biracial.

00:23:15.460 I mean, it's, it's really crazy.

00:23:17.320 I mean, we've, we've gone insane.

00:23:19.840 And I mean, I've been on the view, nasty, but I was talking to Jay Leno this weekend

00:23:29.940 and he calls me up.

00:23:32.740 He's like, well, you got insane.

00:23:34.140 I don't understand.

00:23:35.340 And, uh, and he said, uh, he said, Glenn, I'm, I'm out.

00:23:41.140 He said, I take my fire truck.

00:23:42.700 He's got an old fire truck.

00:23:43.800 Take my fire truck out to the, to the fires.

00:23:47.280 He said, because he's firemen are, are eating and they're working 15, 18 hours a day.

00:23:54.160 And he said, they need food and they're getting box lunches.

00:23:58.100 And he said, I just thought it'd be nice to have one hot meal a day.

00:24:02.200 Yeah.

00:24:02.400 He said, so I bring my fire truck up and I, you know, bring all these.

00:24:05.280 He said, Anderson Cooper comes up to me and says, what are you doing here, Jay?

00:24:09.260 And he said, you know, these guys are eating, you know, sandwiches.

00:24:13.540 And I think one hot meal a day would be good.

00:24:15.820 So I'm bringing them hot, hot meal.

00:24:17.200 He said, you know, that was twisted into, he said, that was twisted into Jay Leno takes

00:24:23.940 on America's box lunches.

00:24:27.600 What?

00:24:28.120 He's like, what?

00:24:30.180 He's like, we have lost.

00:24:32.400 Our minds.

00:24:33.740 So stupid.

00:24:34.640 It's crazy.

00:24:36.300 It's embarrassing and it's pathetic.

00:24:37.360 It is.

00:24:37.840 And that, but that is why we're here today.

00:24:40.780 Yeah.

00:24:41.000 That is why Donald Trump is back in office because they pushed us too far.

00:24:44.400 And I actually believe it took every bit of what has happened.

00:24:47.920 It did.

00:24:48.220 Leading up to 2020, Black Lives Matter, George Floyd, all of the things, how the Democrats

00:24:55.280 chose to run Kamala's campaign, how they chose to put her there in the first place for people

00:25:00.200 to get to the brink of disaster before realizing.

00:25:04.740 I don't think everybody realizes that though.

00:25:06.820 No, I don't.

00:25:07.300 I think a lot more do.

00:25:08.800 Oh yeah.

00:25:09.160 Like I'm so obviously or else we wouldn't be here.

00:25:11.300 Not many are willing to say it out loud.

00:25:13.240 Maybe.

00:25:14.180 I think we were actually blessed by the Lord that he didn't win in 2020.

00:25:19.720 Totally agree.

00:25:20.400 Right.

00:25:20.620 Totally agree because it would have just been, oh my God, four more years of this crazy person

00:25:25.200 instead of going, oh, he's not that bad because look what these people did, not just

00:25:32.120 allowed to happen, did to us.

00:25:34.820 And it was intentional and they didn't think that we would smarten up in time.

00:25:38.740 Why would they think that?

00:25:39.980 Look at how we lined up and went and got that shot just like I did.

00:25:43.660 So why would they think that we would, you know, be like, oh, why would they think that

00:25:48.640 after what they did to the election in 2020, I have always been an election denier.

00:25:52.720 I don't care.

00:25:53.100 You can tell me what you want.

00:25:53.980 I've seen enough videos.

00:25:55.540 I'm not an idiot and I'm choosing to see what's in front of me instead of ignoring it

00:25:59.500 or at least, you know, choosing to say it.

00:26:02.260 It took every bit of this crap for us to get him, get to where we are today and to get him

00:26:08.940 back in office and a better version as a president, as a human being.

00:26:13.560 I think him, first of all,

00:26:18.640 I think it hardened him.

00:26:21.060 I think when 2020 happened, he was like, and I said to him, I talked to him right after

00:26:27.320 the election and I said, Mr. President, I don't have any proof, but you'll never convince

00:26:33.620 me that that was fair.

00:26:34.780 But I don't have any proof.

00:26:36.340 That what was fair?

00:26:36.980 The election.

00:26:38.160 2020.

00:26:38.740 Yeah.

00:26:38.860 Okay.

00:26:39.700 Um, uh, I said, but you know, uh, I'm sorry for everything that you've gone through and

00:26:46.580 he, he just really had a hard time with that.

00:26:49.180 However, in time he, I think he just started to catalog.

00:26:55.980 Okay.

00:26:56.880 What happened here?

00:26:58.480 He had no time to think what happened.

00:27:00.820 What didn't I know?

00:27:01.660 You notice he doesn't have his family as the only people around him this time.

00:27:05.660 Yeah.

00:27:06.180 He knows now who I can trust.

00:27:08.360 He had no one he could trust.

00:27:10.160 So he started catalyzing and then when they started coming after him and his family, the

00:27:16.980 first time I talked to him, when they first went after, uh, his children, I think it was

00:27:23.760 his son or maybe it was Ivanka and, uh, Ivana.

00:27:28.040 And she said, uh, or he said to me, they went after my effing children and I saw real anger

00:27:37.860 from him for the first time.

00:27:39.900 However, he then had to go through court and everything else.

00:27:43.620 And by the time he gets up to the assassination attempt, he's not that way anymore.

00:27:49.800 He's not that way.

00:27:50.600 And then the assassination attempt happened.

00:27:53.380 And I think that was, I know it was, that was a God moment and it humbled him instead of

00:28:02.920 becoming angry.

00:28:04.000 He just became even more determined.

00:28:06.980 Yeah.

00:28:07.100 And look at him now.

00:28:09.800 He's what he's, he's back to the Donald Trump I knew in 2008 or 10 or, you know what I mean?

00:28:17.060 That wasn't running for politics, wasn't running for president.

00:28:19.960 He was comfortable in his skin.

00:28:22.160 He knew the game.

00:28:23.460 He knew what he was playing.

00:28:25.180 It was a four year period that I think just took him absolutely by surprise.

00:28:29.540 Yeah.

00:28:30.120 And look at him now.

00:28:31.920 He, I didn't know or think, of course I didn't know.

00:28:36.940 I didn't know him or anyone around him at that time, but I didn't think he was going to

00:28:40.120 run again.

00:28:40.580 I thought, you know what?

00:28:41.800 Like this is a sad ending, but yeah, I mean, of what benefit is it?

00:28:46.100 You certainly aren't going to have more money in your pocket after he had less.

00:28:49.620 As we know, nobody has come out with less except Donald Trump.

00:28:52.880 Right.

00:28:53.660 But I do think that he, he had, yeah, he had to go through it.

00:28:58.980 He's more humble, despite what people want to think, because number one, the assassination

00:29:03.020 attempt.

00:29:03.540 And I feel his belief in God.

00:29:06.320 He speaks about it much more than he ever has.

00:29:08.880 In a real way.

00:29:10.220 Beautifully, like very genuine.

00:29:12.440 And I also think that from a business perspective, almost, I mean, we all have to take a step back

00:29:18.920 sometimes to be our best selves.

00:29:21.020 And during that time when he was ticked off and rightfully so because of what happened in

00:29:24.940 2020.

00:29:25.520 And then of course, coming after him, you have more time to assess and how can I be better?

00:29:30.800 And I loved when he went on Joe Rogan and talked about what he did wrong and how he admit, like

00:29:37.620 he admitted that he should have vetted people better and not hung on because he's loyal and

00:29:43.720 he didn't have the right people to admit that is incredible.

00:29:48.020 Remember when Barack Obama was asked, what did you do wrong?

00:29:50.860 And he said, nothing, nothing, nothing.

00:29:52.800 How about Kamala Harris?

00:29:53.780 What would you change?

00:29:54.900 Nothing.

00:29:55.720 Like if you just show a little bit of humanity, what would I do differently?

00:29:59.700 I believe people see that and go, oh, you know what else it is?

00:30:03.300 It's really good leadership when you can own your crap.

00:30:07.180 And then as an employee, I said in 30 years in the industry, I've had maybe enough true

00:30:14.400 leaders on one hand.

00:30:16.040 People have the title, but they don't know how to lead.

00:30:18.840 When he did that, to me, it was a massive thing for me to see as I look up to our commander

00:30:25.140 in chief, him and some others.

00:30:28.480 And he acknowledged, this is where I can do better.

00:30:32.020 And now we've seen it.

00:30:33.060 And I also think that 48 hours after he was shot, to be there in Milwaukee, I guess it

00:30:37.980 was.

00:30:38.920 And the shots that they took of him, shots, shouldn't use that word, the close ups of him

00:30:44.520 sitting there while his 17 year old granddaughter had the courage to get on stage and speak about

00:30:50.480 her grandfather.

00:30:51.940 You saw the tears in his eyes.

00:30:54.660 We are seeing the human side of Donald Trump.

00:30:58.360 We saw it.

00:30:59.040 It's beautiful.

00:30:59.280 We saw it that week, unlike I've ever seen it before in anyone else.

00:31:04.020 You could watch it happen in real time from the minute he was.

00:31:09.360 And let me show you this to the, to the ground.

00:31:12.400 To the fight, to the next day, you could see the hesitance in Milwaukee as he's walking.

00:31:20.580 He, remember, he walked out of that and then he stopped.

00:31:23.240 I do too.

00:31:23.900 He stopped for a minute and you were like, he's not the same man.

00:31:27.860 Not the same man.

00:31:29.300 He was not like, look at me.

00:31:31.700 Yes.

00:31:32.460 He was absorbing it.

00:31:34.020 And he was, I think.

00:31:35.700 Yeah, he was also, it, it, for the first time he showed it, because he actually really

00:31:46.760 likes people, but you don't see that.

00:31:49.620 You know what I mean?

00:31:49.900 He's got such a, but you could see how much the people meant to him.

00:31:57.200 Yes.

00:31:57.980 When he stood up, he told me, I saw that no one had run.

00:32:02.080 And they were, I'm going to tear up saying this, and they, they didn't run.

00:32:08.580 They were with me.

00:32:10.240 That's when he cemented his relationship.

00:32:13.600 I'm never walking away from these people.

00:32:16.180 And he always said to me that it was about the people that he had promised, not the big

00:32:21.120 wigs, the people that came to his rallies that he promised he would fix.

00:32:25.120 That moment for him, I think he realized they're the ones I can trust.

00:32:31.180 Yeah.

00:32:31.620 And I will fight for him.

00:32:33.420 And then for him to come out, and he had that applause, you could see him, he was grateful.

00:32:40.520 He was grateful.

00:32:42.900 People don't want to acknowledge his human side.

00:32:45.560 It's easier not to.

00:32:46.620 It's easier to hate somebody when you, when you, when you only see the one thing.

00:32:51.600 I had never met him until a few months ago, you know, during, during the election, the campaign.

00:32:59.420 And, um, you know, he's no different from us and the way that he wants to be liked, you know, maybe it's not everything for him.

00:33:10.380 Obviously not.

00:33:10.880 Or else he would have never done this.

00:33:12.540 Certainly not again.

00:33:13.480 Or he would have just acquiesced.

00:33:16.120 Just like everybody else.

00:33:17.340 Yeah.

00:33:17.540 Just don't say those things.

00:33:19.480 Yes.

00:33:19.860 Just like everybody else.

00:33:21.040 And, um, I love that about him.

00:33:24.040 I love actually seeing that part because that means, oh, we have a little something more in common.

00:33:30.600 I'm getting over that disease of being a pleaser and like trying to make people like me.

00:33:35.560 I give up.

00:33:36.020 I can't, I came from an alcoholic family and that was my role.

00:33:39.240 I was the little clown.

00:33:40.400 I was the little, Hey, everything's okay, everybody.

00:33:43.560 And, uh, I still fight that.

00:33:46.160 I still do.

00:33:47.100 Yeah.

00:33:47.280 Not strangely, not on the air.

00:33:50.320 I got into radio when I was 13.

00:33:53.560 And so I've told everything to this that I've never told to people.

00:33:58.740 I mean, my first wife, I came home one day after I talked about my mom's suicide and, uh,

00:34:06.280 it was a really traumatic moment for me.

00:34:08.220 And I got home and she said, your, your mother killed yourself, herself.

00:34:16.320 I don't, I don't, this is different.

00:34:20.320 For me.

00:34:21.060 Your wife didn't know?

00:34:22.260 She didn't know.

00:34:24.560 I didn't even think about it at the time.

00:34:27.760 Oh my goodness.

00:34:28.960 Yeah.

00:34:29.620 Yeah.

00:34:29.820 Because your wife was listening.

00:34:31.480 She was listening and she was like, what, what, wait, what?

00:34:35.860 And, um, it's just, it's weird.

00:34:40.360 So I don't have a problem saying hard things to it, but I have a hard time, uh, in real life.

00:34:49.000 I don't like confrontation.

00:34:50.800 It's the alcoholic, you know, it's the alcoholic in me.

00:34:53.620 I don't like confrontation.

00:34:55.880 You know, um, I was talking about that today on, about Trump and his tariffs.

00:35:01.160 You know, I think people, they want America first.

00:35:06.120 They want to do the right thing.

00:35:07.460 They want the end of the war in the Ukraine.

00:35:11.020 But the minute a leader stands up and says, knock it off and sit down and you too, everybody

00:35:19.180 gets uncomfortable.

00:35:19.960 Well, let's not do that.

00:35:21.020 That could cause it's Reagan saying those guys, that's an evil empire.

00:35:25.900 Yes.

00:35:26.660 You have to change the game.

00:35:28.800 You have to.

00:35:29.760 And you, you did that.

00:35:32.440 Oh gosh.

00:35:33.120 You did.

00:35:33.460 You changed the game.

00:35:34.600 That's a big turn there.

00:35:34.880 No, but you did.

00:35:36.400 I don't know.

00:35:37.640 I don't know if I did.

00:35:38.300 And it certainly wasn't my goal.

00:35:39.760 I know.

00:35:40.500 But you did.

00:35:41.640 And you, I think you, I think you still are, um, women's sports.

00:35:48.600 I mean, what's been happening with women's sports and they're all saying, I'm doing it

00:35:56.180 to protect women.

00:35:57.140 And I honestly, I don't even understand the mathematics that gets you there.

00:36:02.360 It's so stupid.

00:36:03.860 It's so stupid that this is even a conversation.

00:36:07.160 Um, and the hypocrisy in it is just so thick, you know, I, I, do you think anyone is sincere

00:36:17.040 in that?

00:36:17.460 Um, well, I, I, in, in saying that men can be women and women can be men and it's totally

00:36:25.540 cool.

00:36:26.020 And I don't, I think that they, yes, but they're part of the mentally ill group and that, that

00:36:30.620 group is growing.

00:36:31.440 Yeah.

00:36:32.220 Sadly, but there's no other way because these are the same people that said, follow the

00:36:35.980 science, follow the science.

00:36:36.980 And then I'm anti-science.

00:36:38.780 Right.

00:36:39.240 Um, you know, I was even today because you speak out, you know, and say, Hey, I, this

00:36:45.080 obviously the record is clear on the science that just happened and they still will say

00:36:50.880 that was science and you were wrong.

00:36:52.400 Exactly.

00:36:53.320 And I wanted to kill everybody around me by not being vaccinated.

00:36:56.300 Exactly.

00:36:56.960 I do think it's a, people have mental issues and, or just absolutely refuse to acknowledge

00:37:06.660 something that might make them look like they're more in the middle on something, which again,

00:37:11.440 it's this, there's very few issues that are black and white.

00:37:13.680 And this is right.

00:37:15.300 Um, I think the, the reason, one of the reasons I keep speaking up number one, yes, because

00:37:19.820 these young women, um, but also when I was at ESPN, I, I was part of ESPN W, which I love

00:37:27.300 W for women.

00:37:28.340 And that, and it was an annual like conference retreat summit every year, I think starting

00:37:32.380 in 2010.

00:37:32.980 And I was the original host for 11 straight years, 10 or 11 straight years.

00:37:38.020 Um, until this year, that year in 2021, when I, when I spoke up and it's all the strongest

00:37:45.980 women and athletes and executives from all different corporations, whether it's Lululemon

00:37:50.800 or Nike, like Gatorade all over the place.

00:37:54.220 And the silence that we continue to see here, you can't hear it because they're silent is

00:38:02.480 mind boggling and disgusting to me.

00:38:05.400 All these women who stand up there and preach pro women, pro this, pro that we don't, you

00:38:10.900 don't do enough highlights on us.

00:38:12.200 You don't do enough, this and that, then salaries.

00:38:14.140 And now you're silent at the most obvious time.

00:38:17.120 Title nine is something we always talked about.

00:38:18.700 Billie Jean King came to the conference several times.

00:38:21.040 I mean, she was right there in the middle of it.

00:38:23.460 I was born in 1972.

00:38:25.020 That's the beginning of title nine.

00:38:27.300 And now they're willing to take this and allow it.

00:38:31.200 And they're actually encouraging it.

00:38:32.480 Some and are part of it.

00:38:33.720 I've said from day one with this, if we just as women's sports casters came together

00:38:39.200 and said, OK, there is room for everyone and we will figure this out because this is not

00:38:45.220 about excluding anyone transgender.

00:38:48.200 But if we just stood up, this would have ended.

00:38:50.880 But instead, there's been one and a half people in the sports industry, two people, me and my

00:38:55.820 friend Samantha Ponder, who also got fired from ESPN last fall because she's a conservative.

00:38:59.720 And then we're silenced because of it and canceled and threatened and you're losing a door because

00:39:05.500 we're standing up for women.

00:39:07.720 It's no different than COVID to me.

00:39:10.620 They want to control.

00:39:13.320 They're making money from this stuff.

00:39:15.620 And if we continue to stay quiet, there is blood on our hands.

00:39:19.920 And I firmly believe that.

00:39:21.560 Oh, if you ever read, I'm trying to remember who wrote this.

00:39:24.740 Back in the 50s, there was a book, I think it's called Ordinary Men.

00:39:28.540 And it was done by a researcher.

00:39:31.640 Some of the worst Nazis were the best police officers of Poland.

00:39:37.840 OK.

00:39:38.140 OK.

00:39:38.440 They were fair, they were decent, they were honorable, and they quickly became the worst

00:39:45.280 of the worst of the Nazis.

00:39:47.360 OK.

00:39:48.220 And so this researcher went back and tried to figure out what the hell happened because

00:39:53.840 it happened that fast.

00:39:55.100 So fast.

00:39:55.900 And I'm doing horrible injustice to her theory, but it's absolutely right.

00:40:02.100 Like, one person said, do it, or you're fired, you're out.

00:40:10.460 And they did it, and then it just was a Rubicon.

00:40:14.380 They just crossed it, and then they just had to continue to reinforce that they were on the

00:40:20.860 right side.

00:40:21.980 Yeah.

00:40:22.400 And it just got worse and worse and worse, and they could no longer see it.

00:40:25.960 Once they crossed the river, once they did that, it was over.

00:40:30.940 And it's, I feel like that's what we're doing again.

00:40:34.780 I mean, thank God not to that degree.

00:40:36.860 But people have just crossed the river, they've burned their families, burned people, they stood

00:40:44.260 for things that no person in their right mind today would still be backing up, but they

00:40:51.280 can't, they can't go back.

00:40:52.800 They feel like they can't go back.

00:40:54.580 And there's, and I understand the fear in many ways.

00:40:57.920 I have noticed, though, lately with all of these topics, political, cultural, whatever,

00:41:03.260 I think this is something I need to work on.

00:41:05.600 I have no more patience for people who live in fear.

00:41:08.660 I don't.

00:41:09.520 And I'm not saying that from a mean, whatever perspective, but I think it comes from some

00:41:14.060 personal stuff too, where when you live in fear, I mean, I'm, I'll just say I'm, I'm

00:41:18.600 divorced, you know, I was married for 20 years and there, I wouldn't change a thing.

00:41:22.440 And I, I, I love what we had and I have my three kids and I'm grateful, but I was shocked

00:41:28.440 when you and I met at AmFest with Charlie Kirk's thing.

00:41:35.140 And I've, I've known about you, but we'd never met.

00:41:41.080 Had we ever talked before?

00:41:42.120 And I was so immediately impressed with your strength and the sense of you just know there's

00:41:52.420 successful people are either total frauds or they just know who they are.

00:41:59.040 And that's why they're successful.

00:42:00.700 Yeah.

00:42:01.100 Um, and I just was overwhelmed by that.

00:42:03.400 And then you started talking to me and putting little breadcrumbs out about, you were afraid

00:42:10.580 in a relationship, you're afraid and it doesn't, that doesn't equate.

00:42:15.500 It doesn't work.

00:42:17.100 Have you ever talked about it?

00:42:18.600 Are you willing to talk about that?

00:42:20.940 Yeah.

00:42:22.300 What, what was that?

00:42:23.680 What happened?

00:42:25.580 In my marriage?

00:42:26.700 Yeah.

00:42:26.920 With you being afraid, how, how did that happen?

00:42:31.800 Cause you don't seem like a woman who's afraid.

00:42:34.200 Yeah.

00:42:34.560 I, I'm not anymore.

00:42:35.940 But why were you?

00:42:38.060 What happened?

00:42:39.420 Um, very well intended.

00:42:41.800 I think, uh, only girl, first child.

00:42:49.440 Um, I just, the, the pleaser in me just, I wanted to make sure everybody around me was

00:42:56.100 okay and happy and I come from an incredible, you know, my parents, I'm 52.

00:43:00.440 My parents will be married 54 years this year as an interracial couple that get married

00:43:05.640 in 1971 where my mom's family or parents, not family, but parents disowned her for marrying

00:43:13.000 a black man and all that they've been through.

00:43:15.540 They are my why, my strength, my everything along with my kids.

00:43:19.420 Um, and not, but, but, and I, I just, I was that girl and I wanted to please and please

00:43:25.800 the teachers and please my coaches and please everybody and make sure everybody's good.

00:43:28.940 And I, um, married, uh, my first boyfriend, met him in college.

00:43:34.500 I was 20 and got married at 26, almost 27.

00:43:38.780 And, um, yeah, divorced at 47.

00:43:42.060 So that's all I knew my whole adult life, my whole life, you know?

00:43:47.040 And, um, it was a, again, I say this, I wouldn't, I wouldn't change anything, but it

00:43:51.720 was, um, it was, he was a stay-at-home dad and it was great for many years as my career,

00:44:00.500 you know, continued to, um, and I had this, I mean, I was always, I had guilt, I had guilt

00:44:08.240 for not being home as much as I wanted to be.

00:44:12.000 I had guilt for, okay, having, being too successful at some point, which, which how did that make

00:44:18.580 my husband feel, um, and he, he was going to go back to work when the baby got into first

00:44:24.960 grade and never did.

00:44:26.720 And that's why we're here today, et cetera.

00:44:29.540 Um, but what were you afraid of?

00:44:31.640 I was afraid of everything.

00:44:34.320 I was afraid of, I just, I don't know when I say everything, I can't even think of how

00:44:41.520 to summarize it because I was afraid that, um, if I wasn't home enough, then I wouldn't

00:44:46.520 be a good mother.

00:44:47.540 And my friends who all stayed home were judging me.

00:44:51.220 I was afraid that if I was too successful, then it would make my husband feel smaller

00:44:54.720 because he's the man.

00:44:55.540 And I'm very, very, very traditional.

00:44:56.880 And I didn't, the whole role reversal, I didn't like anyway, but I was doing well.

00:45:00.200 So it's the right thing for the family.

00:45:02.140 Um, so I made myself smaller.

00:45:04.800 Oh my gosh.

00:45:05.700 And every way to try to make sure everybody around me didn't feel like I thought I was

00:45:11.500 all that on TV and all the things.

00:45:14.720 And then I was afraid to address the issues because I'm Catholic and we don't get divorced.

00:45:21.040 You don't, you don't, you don't do that.

00:45:23.340 I was afraid of the judgment.

00:45:24.480 I was afraid God would be mad at me.

00:45:26.900 Um, the fear was everywhere.

00:45:28.880 And then, and then you're not enough racially, right?

00:45:34.300 Because I'm not white and I'm not black.

00:45:36.920 And so then you have to choose.

00:45:38.440 And if I say this, then I'll be too white.

00:45:39.960 If I say this and I'll be too black and then I'm different.

00:45:42.840 I'm not black enough because I have white hair that like, it went everywhere.

00:45:47.860 And so then, okay, I'm doing well.

00:45:49.700 And I was good at my job and I worked my butt off and everybody was happy.

00:45:53.840 And then I had these, these things were happening in society where I'm like, that's wrong.

00:45:58.800 That's not okay.

00:46:00.720 But if I say something, then I'll be too far over here.

00:46:04.540 And then I won't be liked by the left and people who look like me because, so you just

00:46:08.860 stay silent.

00:46:10.160 And then, and then if I, then I would speak up.

00:46:12.280 This makes my head hurt.

00:46:13.300 I know.

00:46:13.900 Do you see why?

00:46:14.520 This is why I'm probably wearing my hair curly because it's just everything.

00:46:17.900 But I, I just, it was smarter to stay quiet, Glenn.

00:46:23.040 So much smarter.

00:46:24.060 Um, from every perspective, certainly for work, financially, I mean, what I've lost financially

00:46:32.220 is insane.

00:46:33.920 Um, but God, it feels good to be true to myself in every way now.

00:46:40.560 And to realize that if I'm leading with my heart and if I'm doing it in what I believe

00:46:46.340 is the right way, leading with kindness, but strength as well, man, if you don't like

00:46:52.940 me, that's kind of on you because I'm actually a really nice person and loyal and supportive.

00:46:58.680 And if you don't like me because of my opinion, that's on you.

00:47:02.980 It just took half a century to get there.

00:47:05.340 And that's really annoying.

00:47:06.700 But now because of all the people I was around, including my leaders and bosses and teammates

00:47:12.060 and coworkers and peers and people in my personal life, which I've made kind of obvious

00:47:15.700 here, when you live in fear, I can't be around you because I need someone to continue

00:47:21.100 to uplift me as well.

00:47:22.100 Let's make a team or do this together.

00:47:24.880 And I shudder at the thought of what had, what my life would look like if I had continued

00:47:31.560 to live in that fear, whether it be with my opinions, um, standing up about what I thought,

00:47:39.220 um, was wrong with forcing someone to put a shot in their body.

00:47:43.500 That's an experimental unproven shot.

00:47:46.860 Or even if I had, um, lived in fear of what everyone would think of me for making the decision

00:47:53.340 to end my marriage and where I would be today.

00:47:55.840 Even though I have no idea what tomorrow is, I don't know what my, my professional life

00:48:01.300 is going to turn out to be.

00:48:02.660 I don't know if my little show is going to work.

00:48:04.420 I don't know if I'm going to get married again.

00:48:06.760 I don't know if my kids are going to hate me or like me tomorrow.

00:48:08.940 Depends on how much I give them for spring break.

00:48:10.440 Like, like, I don't know, but I'm okay with it.

00:48:14.440 And it's just, I'm so grateful that God has allowed, and it's all God has allowed me to

00:48:20.240 like say, trust that day in the shower.

00:48:24.040 When I saw the angel and the ugly Brown marble, like, I feel like it was a turning point and

00:48:31.520 I have trusted with every aspect of my life and the fear has gone away.

00:48:37.120 What a blessing to have been canceled 150 times, to have the, to have been, um, embarrassed

00:48:46.840 intentionally by my company intentionally.

00:48:49.140 What a blessing to have lost all the, all the money, um, that was right there on the table

00:48:54.840 for me to take.

00:48:55.920 What a blessing for some family members to be like, she's a nut job, keep her away.

00:49:01.100 What a, what a blessing to have been called a coon, a sellout other names.

00:49:10.020 I won't say, um, people I thought were friends to go away and say, yeah, I'll, I'll be friends

00:49:17.620 with her.

00:49:17.960 Don't put it on Instagram.

00:49:19.420 Don't show anybody that I'm having lunch with her.

00:49:21.660 I am so, I swear to you, I'm so grateful for every moment because God has been there every

00:49:29.260 step of the way.

00:49:29.960 He always was.

00:49:31.100 I just wasn't willing to see it.

00:49:35.340 Sorry.

00:49:35.920 That was way, that was not soundbite length.

00:49:38.360 I'm very sorry.

00:49:39.620 No, no, um, no more fear.

00:49:45.480 No more.

00:49:46.080 I think, I think that's the most common, I think that's the most human thing that we

00:49:59.540 all have in common is fear.

00:50:01.720 I know I was, you know, I am, I'm an alcoholic, but when I was a practicing alcoholic, it all

00:50:09.560 came from the fear of, I don't want people to find out about this or who I am, or I'm

00:50:16.580 not sure I am any good.

00:50:18.240 I know all of this crap and we're all just living in fear.

00:50:23.700 And, and when we, when we admit it and when we let others see it, two things happen, I

00:50:38.920 think, at least in my life, one, um, you find real people, you know, you find people are

00:50:47.780 coming up to you and going, I can't believe you did that, but thank you.

00:50:52.640 Right.

00:50:53.940 And, um, can we get some Kleenex?

00:50:56.620 And the other thing is, um, you become the most powerful person on the planet.

00:51:04.980 Everybody is afraid of you and they're afraid of you because they can't manipulate you.

00:51:14.620 They don't, you should be, I think you probably are the most predictable person in anyone's

00:51:22.880 life because you're so clear on what's true and you're not afraid to walk away.

00:51:30.420 That terrifies people.

00:51:32.640 It does.

00:51:33.600 It's wonderful, isn't it?

00:51:35.140 I mean, not the terrifying them, but it's wonderful.

00:51:38.340 It is.

00:51:39.180 And I never knew.

00:51:41.920 And every time I've shared a little bit, probably started in like 2018 after the first time I

00:51:48.860 got canceled in 2017.

00:51:50.240 Every time I did, every time I shared something, thank you.

00:51:58.540 She did a great job on my makeup today too.

00:52:00.640 Goodness gracious.

00:52:01.880 You'll let me know if it sticks to my days.

00:52:03.380 Yeah, I will.

00:52:04.040 Every single time I've opened up about anything personally, which I was afraid to, you try to

00:52:09.280 protect your kids, try to protect everything.

00:52:11.100 I, you know, I still try to, believe it or not.

00:52:13.560 Um, professionally about the decision to stand up and sue the employer that I loved.

00:52:21.580 Um, every time I have received such a gift and one response from somebody on social media,

00:52:31.460 on an email, at an airport, in a women's restroom, at a restaurant, the number of people now who

00:52:40.840 come up to me, grown men in tears, thanking me because they're afraid to say something about

00:52:48.300 women's sports and keeping men out of them for their daughters.

00:52:51.640 It has overwhelmed me.

00:52:54.440 And that's the, that's what I'm trying to do on my little show as well.

00:52:58.800 It's like every time we open up, not only are we helping ourselves, we're helping others.

00:53:02.900 And they say, Oh my gosh, this person that looks like they have it all together and they,

00:53:08.360 and on TV and famous and money and all that, they're going through that too.

00:53:13.680 So I now believe that like, it is what it is.

00:53:18.800 I don't even care.

00:53:19.700 Think I'm a loser because I cry too much, but you're with me.

00:53:26.040 Exactly.

00:53:26.440 But like, we are helping others just by being true to ourselves and that is a gift.

00:53:32.200 And I know that there's some strength in that, but to me, the credit has to go back to my faith.

00:53:38.120 Oh, I don't, I wouldn't have done it without faith.

00:53:40.520 No way.

00:53:40.920 And what you have chosen to overcome and address, whether it's right here or in any other way,

00:53:48.780 um, it is, that's the win.

00:53:51.780 And I actually think that that's how we all heal and recover as a society is we stop trying to be

00:53:58.740 so damn perfect and keep it all together and be so like, no, I mean, do you see this hair?

00:54:04.080 Like there are so many imperfections here that now I just embrace them.

00:54:07.820 Stop talking about your beautiful haircut.

00:54:09.120 Look at mine, look at mine.

00:54:10.700 Then look at yours.

00:54:11.540 Stop.

00:54:12.080 Naturally, mine is the same color as yours.

00:54:15.020 Believe me.

00:54:15.280 No.

00:54:15.740 A hundred percent.

00:54:16.240 I'll show you later.

00:54:16.760 The roots are back here.

00:54:17.640 But, but I, I'm, I'm so great.

00:54:21.180 This is what I said to my kids.

00:54:22.760 Um, whether it be speaking up, standing up for yourself or in relationships, please don't

00:54:30.480 waste my pain.

00:54:32.480 Please take my crap and use it and be better and smarter and wiser and fearless.

00:54:42.980 And I'm so glad.

00:54:46.100 And Glenn, the day before the day before my lawsuit dropped in April of 2022, I spoke to

00:54:53.520 each of my kids separately to say, this is what's happening tomorrow.

00:54:56.820 Um, one was in college and then two were in high school.

00:54:59.300 And I just want you to know that this is probably going to be ugly.

00:55:03.480 Um, I don't want you to defend me.

00:55:05.620 This is about free speech.

00:55:07.480 And that's why I'm doing this.

00:55:08.520 You and I have so much in common.

00:55:09.320 I had the same conversation with my kids.

00:55:11.560 Oh my God.

00:55:12.000 Like, I just didn't want, I didn't want them to feel the need to stay, to defend me because

00:55:17.380 it does get old.

00:55:18.180 And teachers and coaches and other parents would say things to my kids.

00:55:21.240 And I was like, tell them to talk to your mother.

00:55:23.000 And that's when, that's when the ugly sage will come out because you touch my kid, I

00:55:26.740 will cut you.

00:55:27.400 I will hurt you and I'll go to prison for you.

00:55:29.440 But I said, don't defend me.

00:55:30.940 Just remind people that everybody has a right to their own opinion and diversity of thought.

00:55:34.560 That's all you have to say.

00:55:36.120 Um, and I said, but I'm sorry for what is to come because I know it's going to be ugly,

00:55:40.740 but just know I cannot be quiet anymore.

00:55:43.580 And I'm so sorry, but I love you.

00:55:45.920 And do you know, each one received it differently.

00:55:48.200 My son, who's in the middle, I always say between my two crazy daughters, my, my saint

00:55:55.000 son, who's like, Oh boy, it's going to be the best partner someday.

00:55:58.100 My son stopped what he was doing.

00:55:59.980 And he looked at me and he said, Mom, it's about time you stood up for yourself.

00:56:05.760 He was 17.

00:56:07.960 I thought I was protecting my kids this whole time by staying quiet.

00:56:13.080 And in the meantime, what did they see?

00:56:14.900 They saw me being quiet and afraid and not true to myself and small.

00:56:24.800 And so I'm teaching that we're teaching our kids to be strong and to do all those things.

00:56:29.800 But what example are we showing them?

00:56:31.820 The opposite.

00:56:33.200 Shame on me.

00:56:34.300 So I knew at that moment that even if Disney won, hello, David versus Goliath, they could

00:56:38.880 bleed me dry in five minutes.

00:56:40.640 One thing they do well is litigate.

00:56:42.700 Very good.

00:56:43.280 Very well.

00:56:43.840 Even if they won, I actually just won because my kid, they saw me saying enough.

00:56:54.180 I knew my career there was going to be over.

00:56:56.340 When you sue your company, it's over.

00:56:58.760 And by the way, I was still on air for 16 months after that lawsuit dropped.

00:57:02.960 So I would sue them while on their screen every single day.

00:57:05.360 And it was so scary every day to walk in there and do those live shows.

00:57:10.540 But my kids saw their mom.

00:57:15.960 Supporting them, supporting everybody and fighting.

00:57:18.560 And so I did know at that point that I'm here for more on this earth to be their mama, even

00:57:27.560 when I drive them crazy, which is a lot.

00:57:30.200 And to use my voice.

00:57:33.480 I knew I was done at ESPN.

00:57:35.120 I didn't know what was next.

00:57:35.960 But to help others who also lived in fear.

00:57:38.580 And I know now that that's why God has me here.

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00:59:23.860 You go back to 1971, your parents.

00:59:28.360 Right over here in the dark.

00:59:29.940 That's the Archie Bunker set.

00:59:31.320 That's all in the family.

00:59:32.600 I love the music.

00:59:33.440 That was the first one to really deal with interracial.

00:59:38.800 I mean, 1971, your parents were ahead, way ahead.

00:59:44.840 Your dad was, if I'm not mistaken, the first black varsity football player, right, at West Point.

00:59:53.960 Yes, sir.

00:59:54.320 I'm trying, again, I'm trying to balance this.

01:00:02.860 That wasn't fear.

01:00:05.120 That was not fear.

01:00:09.300 How did you, how did they influence you?

01:00:13.000 Or how did you miss that epic stance from them without fear?

01:00:20.460 Gosh, I don't mean to make you.

01:00:22.260 No.

01:00:22.780 I love this.

01:00:23.840 Yeah.

01:00:24.320 How did I, because they put through the fear, but then I.

01:00:30.360 You were raised, you're just talking about, you're just talking about, I taught my children.

01:00:34.000 I think I can teach my children and they can learn from my example, but I don't think they

01:00:39.520 actually learn until they face their fire.

01:00:42.880 Yes.

01:00:43.280 You know what I mean?

01:00:43.700 So is that the same with you?

01:00:45.460 Because your parents faced fire.

01:00:48.240 You had to, as a young kid, the white mom, black dad, you had to be.

01:00:54.260 You had to be the odd person out in school.

01:00:58.220 How did you?

01:00:59.580 What happened there?

01:01:02.700 What happened was the environment in which I grew up was beautiful as an army kid, military.

01:01:11.160 It was a safe space.

01:01:13.680 There was a lot of kids who looked like me.

01:01:16.120 There were so many interracial marriages in the military, if you think about it.

01:01:19.680 And everywhere you went in the world, and I lived in four countries by the time I was

01:01:23.140 11 years old.

01:01:24.060 Right.

01:01:24.300 Everywhere you went, there were kids who knew what it was like to move and to start over

01:01:28.180 and to, you know, okay, now I have to find new friends on the playground and then on your

01:01:34.980 sports teams, et cetera.

01:01:36.020 And so it was, it was the most diverse upbringing because racially and all that, but it was a

01:01:46.040 bubble because we all took care of each other there.

01:01:49.420 And so then my senior year of high school, the army moved us from Fort Carson, Colorado,

01:01:55.100 Colorado Springs, to Fort Benjamin Harrison outside of Indianapolis.

01:01:58.240 And it was my senior year of high school and there was no school.

01:02:03.280 It was a small army post, which is now a state park.

01:02:05.520 It's no longer, um, with the downsizing of the military in the nineties, it changed.

01:02:10.760 And so I went to, um, a public school there in a non-military town.

01:02:16.100 And I have 1800 students at Carmel high school.

01:02:19.540 I was the only black student.

01:02:22.300 Um, I say by racial, of course, but yeah, the only one.

01:02:25.500 And so that was my first time feeling different was as a senior in high school, not all those

01:02:31.920 years leading up to it.

01:02:33.320 And so I'd been protected, um, and also protected a good thing or a bad thing.

01:02:37.080 Well, in hindsight, you know, it was my first experience with racism.

01:02:42.700 Did you know that it was out there?

01:02:46.000 Uh, no, but just not.

01:02:48.440 No, I mean, yes, I guess, but there was no internet, you know, it was a different world.

01:02:52.520 Um, I grew up in a time, I grew up in a time, I grew up in Seattle and I think there were

01:02:58.240 like four black people at the time.

01:03:00.060 So I didn't, I couldn't relate to the South.

01:03:04.080 I couldn't relate to what, what that was.

01:03:06.660 It just seemed like a distant kind of, you know what I mean?

01:03:09.940 Yeah.

01:03:10.260 So when I moved back East and I start seeing, oh, oh, oh, there's a real, there's a real

01:03:17.680 split here.

01:03:18.600 You know what I mean?

01:03:19.180 I mean, first time I went South and I felt like I was, I stopped, I remember stopping

01:03:24.060 from gas for gas and I felt like I was in deliverance and I'm filling up gas and this

01:03:29.620 guy says, those are Yankee plates.

01:03:33.600 And I'm like, oh dear God, they're going to eat me.

01:03:36.960 And I think they have slaves.

01:03:38.760 I don't know what's happening here.

01:03:40.360 I mean, it was just, you know, different world.

01:03:43.280 So you kind of had the same.

01:03:44.840 Um, uh, yeah, because I was so protected with the diversity in it, you know, it was, again,

01:03:50.940 it was beautiful.

01:03:51.640 It was perfect in my mind.

01:03:53.060 And then one day I was walking to class and, um, was surrounded by a group of boys, uh,

01:04:02.140 who I, one of them I thought was my friend and, um, N word, um, go back to Africa, look

01:04:10.620 like a gorilla, go back, like just, um, the ugliest moment of my life up to that point.

01:04:16.180 Um, and I, what year was that?

01:04:19.620 1990 senior of high school, 89, 90.

01:04:22.520 Yeah.

01:04:23.520 Wow.

01:04:24.400 So, I mean, other people are like, yeah, dumbass, this is how it is in the real world.

01:04:30.080 And I was like, well, it's never what I experienced and that changed me.

01:04:32.860 And then, so my, I went home and I mean, they cornered me and it was the worst.

01:04:36.840 And I escaped and ran to class and I mean, they weren't going to touch me, but it was verbal.

01:04:41.320 And so I got home that day from school and told my mom, my dad was, I'm out of town with

01:04:45.620 military and we went in the, into school the next day and to talk to the principal.

01:04:51.100 And, um, he basically, he looked at me and my mom and said, I don't believe you.

01:04:55.340 It didn't happen.

01:04:56.680 He didn't believe that it happened.

01:04:57.440 He thought we were making it up.

01:04:59.200 So that changed me.

01:05:03.100 My poor mother who was, you know, I had no reason to make that up.

01:05:09.700 Um, and I mean, I named names and they did nothing.

01:05:13.040 And so a couple of weeks later, I remember I, I, I was walking around school.

01:05:17.980 It did change me.

01:05:18.760 And I had my eyes on the ground.

01:05:19.960 I was no longer this kind of bubbly, like, and this woman tapped me on the shoulder, a

01:05:26.800 teacher, and she pulled me into her classroom and her name was Agnes Cam.

01:05:31.800 She was the German teacher.

01:05:33.020 I didn't take German.

01:05:34.340 She knew who I was.

01:05:35.160 I stood out, I guess.

01:05:36.160 Um, and she said, I, I want you to know that I heard what happened and I'm so sorry.

01:05:42.700 And she said, but look at me, she goes, you are doing more for Carmel high school than

01:05:50.720 we can ever do for you just by being here.

01:05:54.040 Don't let this affect you.

01:05:55.440 I don't know if I ever saw her again, but I remember that verbatim and just by staying

01:06:04.060 there, just by being in the classroom and being someone that looked a little different

01:06:07.920 from all of these kids, um, in a rich white suburb, North of Indianapolis, by the way,

01:06:13.700 90% of them were awesome.

01:06:15.460 This is not a referendum on the town that experience though.

01:06:19.600 And told I was a liar by the principal did change my life, but that was, I think the

01:06:26.360 beginning of realizing, okay, you can be different and still be okay and still have friends and

01:06:33.040 still, you know, and then onto college and then through my career.

01:06:36.360 And at times when mom and dad, you know, the career wasn't going well, or the bosses were

01:06:41.540 awful, no leadership.

01:06:43.120 My parents would say, okay, you can't control them.

01:06:46.740 You can control your reaction.

01:06:48.160 And when I was little, my, my two younger brothers, we had to memorize part of the cadet

01:06:55.160 prayer that my dad had to recite a hundred thousand times while at West Point.

01:06:59.580 And this prayer eventually made me fearless.

01:07:05.200 Say it.

01:07:07.260 Help me to choose the harder right instead of the easier wrong and never to be content with

01:07:13.440 a half truth when the whole can be one.

01:07:16.020 Mm-hmm.

01:07:18.160 Every part of that that meant nothing as a kid saved me as an adult through all the stupid

01:07:25.660 drama at ESPN and Disney, through my marriage, through every day.

01:07:31.800 If you're at the grocery store and you're in a rush, do you want to put the cart back?

01:07:34.660 But it's the right thing.

01:07:35.800 Put the cart back, right?

01:07:37.160 It's the harder right when you're in a rush.

01:07:38.780 Mm-hmm.

01:07:39.080 Sounds stupid.

01:07:41.020 And to not ever be content with a half truth when the whole truth can be one.

01:07:46.680 I mean, I had no choice at some point.

01:07:50.180 If I'd been reciting this and then made my kids memorize it.

01:07:54.180 Harder right.

01:07:55.280 The harder right was what?

01:07:57.560 Was to say, no, Disney.

01:08:00.940 No, ESPN.

01:08:02.720 You are hypocrites.

01:08:04.820 And this is not fair.

01:08:06.200 And I have other friends who feel the way I do, but would never say it because of their,

01:08:11.720 maybe they're smarter than me for staying silent.

01:08:13.820 But the harder right is what?

01:08:16.960 Is to stand up, even though it cost me everything, literally and figuratively.

01:08:22.760 The harder right is to have that conversation with a friend.

01:08:27.220 The harder right is in your relationships to be the example for your kids.

01:08:33.240 And if I'm telling my daughters and my son, you listen to this and don't stay comfortable

01:08:38.960 because you think that's what everybody else wants.

01:08:41.520 And then I'm not going to, like, if I say that, but don't live it,

01:08:44.880 why would my kids ever then become fearless?

01:08:48.180 It's the harder right.

01:08:49.740 And it sucks sometimes because we know what it is.

01:08:53.140 Like in here, we all know what the right thing is.

01:08:56.480 It's just easier to ignore it and to not tell the whole truth.

01:09:07.540 I'm the whitest white guy you've ever met.

01:09:11.520 And I remember when Barack Obama became president.

01:09:19.140 I think there is times, and even the, I think the intent of a lot of people that were involved in BLM,

01:09:31.260 not the crazies, not the socialists, not the, you know, Marxists,

01:09:35.060 but the people who are actually marching going, there's a problem here.

01:09:38.660 I thought that was so healthy.

01:09:42.120 And, like, I cannot relate in 1990 that somebody would have said that to you.

01:09:50.880 And that might seem like a distant past to some, but it wasn't that long ago.

01:09:56.620 And somehow or another, it just, I think it's just because it became politics.

01:10:04.640 This is the kind of conversation that people need to have,

01:10:08.780 where you're actually hearing one another and sharing experiences that the other people,

01:10:16.760 I can't relate to, but we just, we don't have these conversations very often.

01:10:23.180 And have we passed the point of being able to, or are we coming,

01:10:30.840 have we just taken a long circle back to where maybe we were getting to in the early 2000s?

01:10:39.780 And maybe it's just my point of view, because I thought we were not perfect by any stretch.

01:10:45.820 There is racism.

01:10:47.040 There was and there still is, and it's real.

01:10:50.220 And there always will be.

01:10:51.340 Always will be.

01:10:52.640 Always will.

01:10:53.260 Opposition in all things.

01:10:55.540 But I felt like we were getting better.

01:10:58.680 And then all of a sudden, I felt like because it became so political,

01:11:01.880 like everybody just built up walls and we're not going there.

01:11:07.120 Are we getting back to a point to where maybe we can have a real dialogue and actually grow from here?

01:11:16.940 I think so.

01:11:18.080 I have hope, but I'm an eternal optimist and glass half full always.

01:11:23.700 I do think so.

01:11:24.280 I was so sad at how socially and culturally things, I think, got worse under Barack Obama.

01:11:35.180 I mean, I think if we can go back and look at when things changed and when he was, you know, in power, I thought it would be.

01:11:49.020 Listen, to me, I did not vote for him.

01:11:51.740 I voted for John McCain and I didn't vote for him in 2012 either.

01:11:56.060 But in 2008, I was excited.

01:11:58.840 I didn't vote for him.

01:11:59.820 But number one, he's the commander in chief.

01:12:01.840 That's how I was raised.

01:12:02.760 Military kid.

01:12:03.460 My dad's West Point.

01:12:04.240 Retired colonel.

01:12:04.840 Absolutely, I support you and supported Joe Biden for that reason, too.

01:12:09.140 If the president wins with, you know, making America great before that was a thing, then we all win.

01:12:16.360 Like, of course, you support your commander in chief.

01:12:17.940 And that's how I was raised with my father.

01:12:20.200 But in general, like I understood.

01:12:22.920 I understood why so many people, certainly people of color, were so excited about Barack Obama.

01:12:31.220 And to me, it wasn't about race, though, because I was thrilled to see it.

01:12:35.240 By the way, biracial.

01:12:37.100 I thought it was me.

01:12:39.120 I remember saying this on the air after he won because I wasn't a fan of him because I think he was a Marxist.

01:12:44.480 Totally.

01:12:44.740 He is.

01:12:45.600 But I remember saying he has the opportunity to transcend race.

01:12:53.460 You know what I mean?

01:12:53.960 To be able to say none of that matters.

01:12:57.700 And none of that was done.

01:12:59.320 None of that was done.

01:13:00.100 And to me, it was beautiful to see that.

01:13:02.820 Yes.

01:13:03.160 On the stage in Chicago with his wife and daughters on that night.

01:13:06.560 Like, beautiful in so many ways.

01:13:08.480 To me, he was just the wrong black president.

01:13:11.220 That's all.

01:13:12.160 Like, it's not about black, white, Asian, female.

01:13:14.460 I don't care.

01:13:16.200 I'm not voting for that reason, actually.

01:13:19.060 Content of character versus color of skin and what you stand for.

01:13:22.400 I guess, again, it only matters when it's convenient for you.

01:13:26.120 Like, I don't know.

01:13:26.680 Now, my grandmother at the time was in her late 80s.

01:13:31.280 My dad's mom, she was black.

01:13:33.680 I mean, late 80s, maybe 90 years old.

01:13:35.160 And I remember her crying.

01:13:37.320 Like, I didn't like that he won.

01:13:39.180 But I respected that for a 90-year-old black woman who was born in 1920.

01:13:43.280 What she witnessed, so I get it.

01:13:46.760 100%.

01:13:47.160 He divided instead.

01:13:50.220 And then it continued.

01:13:51.460 And even at the very end of this last political campaign, the campaign with Trump and Kamala,

01:13:58.520 even at the, what did he say to black men at the end?

01:14:00.440 He's scolding them for not voting for her because she's a sister.

01:14:04.200 She's one of us.

01:14:04.920 What?

01:14:05.920 The divisiveness continued and it was intentional.

01:14:08.880 Instead of saying, you know, just because I'm black doesn't mean that we think alike.

01:14:14.700 Or, wait a minute, then you're the racist if you think just that this dictates how we feel or should feel.

01:14:21.480 What we should be doing.

01:14:22.660 And I do think that we're getting back there in some ways.

01:14:25.740 Having the conversation, remembering.

01:14:28.100 Everybody has an opinion.

01:14:29.080 And to me, our opinions are based on what?

01:14:32.720 Our own personal experiences.

01:14:35.060 So you can't tell me and I can't tell you because you don't know me and I don't know you in that way.

01:14:40.760 Your wife, your first wife, didn't know that about your mother.

01:14:45.600 I mean, my goodness.

01:14:47.360 So to judge is so close-minded.

01:14:51.040 And there's such an obvious lack of tolerance and acceptance and true diversity of thought.

01:14:58.140 So, but is there a place to where tolerance becomes a danger?

01:15:06.900 For instance, I've never had a problem.

01:15:10.100 You want to, you want to transgender, you want to do, I don't care.

01:15:14.100 It's not my life.

01:15:14.880 It's your life.

01:15:15.740 I don't care.

01:15:16.580 That's, I think one of the best things about Americans is live your life.

01:15:22.140 I'll live my life.

01:15:23.060 I don't care.

01:15:23.720 Yeah, I don't care.

01:15:24.560 But because we are tolerant of people saying, no, that's a female when, I'm sorry, it is a dude.

01:15:35.820 Okay?

01:15:36.040 You can't follow the science.

01:15:39.580 You can't change that.

01:15:40.920 So, you know, you look at this and they try to make, people try to make you feel bigoted

01:15:47.380 when you're like, no, no, no, I, I, it's not about them.

01:15:51.220 It's about my daughter and my friend's daughters.

01:15:55.520 Should there be a transgender league?

01:15:59.720 Like, I mean, I don't even know what, I mean.

01:16:04.340 Like, what's the solution here?

01:16:05.880 What's the solution?

01:16:06.700 Yeah.

01:16:08.580 First of all, as far as the tolerance, I say, say what you want, do what you want.

01:16:14.400 Great.

01:16:15.500 Identify how you want.

01:16:17.100 And there's rules.

01:16:18.440 And there's rules in society based on that.

01:16:21.620 You know, I mean, I like it when people say, oh, okay, I'm a, I'm a billionaire then.

01:16:28.540 Go ahead and believe that.

01:16:29.500 But have you, have you seen her checking account?

01:16:31.480 Right.

01:16:31.700 Probably not.

01:16:32.460 Like, I think sadly, it's not going to happen.

01:16:35.820 I think that in sports in particular, first of all, it's fascinating that it's only happening,

01:16:43.020 going one direction.

01:16:44.180 Are there women trying to go play on the men's volleyball team in college?

01:16:50.480 No, it's only going one way because we know that it's not going to, it's impossible.

01:16:55.480 Like, it's just not.

01:16:56.660 So women own everything, own everything.

01:17:00.620 And that includes, like right now, apparently in the NCAA, right?

01:17:03.860 Okay.

01:17:04.080 You can't compete on the same team, but you can still be in women's spaces and women's

01:17:08.980 locker rooms.

01:17:09.640 You can still, you still get the benefit, which means you can take scholarships that are supposed

01:17:16.100 to go to women if you identify as a woman.

01:17:18.760 So let's finish the deal, close the book on that and make it all women all the time there.

01:17:24.080 Because we know that there are basic scientific differences.

01:17:29.060 And over here, it's open, open category, men plus open, do whatever you want.

01:17:36.520 But if you were born as a male, you are a male.

01:17:42.540 One of the problems right now with the NCAA is proof of male, female is your birth certificate.

01:17:49.460 Well, I believe in 44 states, you can change your birth certificate.

01:17:53.380 So that's a problem too.

01:17:54.500 It's got to be shored up.

01:17:56.100 DNA test.

01:17:57.180 They were talking about where you're going to have people having to check people's, you

01:18:01.020 know, pants.

01:18:01.860 No, we just do a DNA test.

01:18:04.320 It's so simple.

01:18:04.920 It's really so simple.

01:18:05.800 If we could do it that quickly, you know, in a drive up parking lot, shove it up to my

01:18:10.000 brain to let me know if I have COVID, like we can do this and it's actually more simple.

01:18:13.840 So to me, that's the solution.

01:18:15.200 And I will never accept people saying that we are anti this, anti trans, anti gay.

01:18:21.900 No, no, no.

01:18:22.540 I'm not anti anything.

01:18:23.880 I'm actually pro woman.

01:18:25.560 Number one, first and foremost, which is what you've been telling me, all the feminists

01:18:28.560 out there who are sitting on their damn hands continuously, all the Democrats that voted

01:18:33.200 against the protection of women and girls in sports act recently.

01:18:36.800 Shame, shame, shame on you.

01:18:39.780 Women, these female politicians who continue to talk out of both sides of their mouth.

01:18:45.800 So that's the solution.

01:18:47.280 Female here, male plus open, and no more women will have to get hurt or lose scholarships.

01:18:56.940 I didn't even look at my nose.

01:18:58.460 I don't, I didn't, I have so many things to ask you and I didn't even get to them.

01:19:01.980 You are truly one of my favorite people in the world.

01:19:06.080 I just, I just love you.

01:19:08.840 I just think you are amazing.

01:19:11.200 Thank you so much for coming.

01:19:12.700 I don't know that you know what that means to me.

01:19:15.800 Thank you.

01:19:16.540 And for, um, always allowing everyone to just be true to, true to themselves.

01:19:23.260 That's what people like you are, why I have hope you've been doing this a long time and

01:19:27.400 you have evolved, but not changed that part of you.

01:19:31.620 And that is what makes America great.

01:19:34.440 That's why we're going to be okay.

01:19:35.920 I have to believe that.

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The Glenn Beck Program - March 15, 2025

Ep 249 ｜ Why Everyone Should Be TERRIFIED of Former ESPN Host Sage Steele ｜ The Glenn Beck Podcast

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